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Orange County District Attorney
Press Release
Tony Rackauckas, District Attorney
401 Civic Center Drive West
Santa Ana, CA 92701
For Immediate Release
Case # TBA
November 12, 2008
Contacts:
Susan Kang Schroeder
Public Affairs Counsel
Office: 714-347-8408
Cell: 714-292-2718
Farrah Emami
Spokesperson
Office: 714-347-8405
Cell: 714-323-4486
PROTESTANT PASTOR CHARGED WITH MOLESTING
14-YEAR-OLD FEMALE PARISHIONER
NEWPORT BEACH– A Protestant pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente was charged today for molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner that he met through his job. Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child between the ages of 14 and 15, and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molest. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of five years and six months in prison. He is out of custody on $100,000 bail. Maffey is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 5, 2008, at 8:30 a.m., Harbor Justice Center, Newport Beach. The Department will be determined later.
Maffey met Jane Doe through his role as a pastor. Between May 2008 and August 2008, the defendant is accused of violating his position of trust by engaging in illegal sexual contact with Jane Doe. On multiple occasions, he is accused of passionately kissing Jane Doe on the mouth. He is also accused of contacting her several times to meet and engage in kissing.
Anyone with additional information or who believes they have been a victim is encouraged to contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714)347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff’s Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at (714)647-7419.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Department investigated this case. Deputy District Attorney Tony Ferrentino of the Sexual Assault Unit is prosecuting this case.
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Wasn't Richard Maffey in line to serve on the Apostolic Assembly General Board? Has the organization made a public comment? How far in advance did they know Maffey was performing these lewd acts and did nothing?
Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay the attorney's fee's and penalties.
http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=1074&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Pastor-Accused-of-Kissing-Teenage-Girl.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-pastor13-2008nov13,0,1568393.story
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=10649090&src=news
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7851143&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
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What do those initials stand for?
TLC
I think I know who you are!!! You claim to be a member with Art in Albuquerque and Glendale. Since the members of Albuquerque that attended here in Glendale are family members, this means you are related to Art.
Nowwww what is your relationship with Art? because your posts potray you to be a vieja, I thought you were a female. However you said you were male. So this means that you are a brother, son or Nephew.
I noticed on some of your Blogs you are writing in Spanish. The only Tafoya Males that speak Spanish are Art's Brother. His sons and nephews are not fluent in Spanish.
Soooo, I am thinking that you are Either Nat, Charlie or Robert Tafoya. I ask myself this, Would Nat anonymously blog to defend Art? In my opinion, I do not think so because Art ran Nat out of the AA and bad mouth Nat and his family to the church members at Glendale. This eliminates Nat.
I am thinking that you are either Robert or Charlie. Based on what I know about Robert, I am thinking that you are Charlie. I think that the initials TLC represent your name.
T = Tafoya
L = I am not sure about this one
C = Charlie
Bro. Charlie you need to quit covering and defending the sins of your brother. This blog does not impact a court of law, but the intent of this blog is to influence the court of public opinion. This is why I believe Art. started the AA.info. "We report and you decide" Now poor Art's plan opened him up to scrutiny. I believe Art's plan backfired on is because he is guilty of the same sins. Maybe with all you bible quoting, you can give some consejo to Artutors and tell him tha tthe Bible has good wise principle such as "Do unto others as you would like done unto you" Scripture is being fulfilled and you should be rejoicing Charlie.
TLC
I think I know who you are!!! You claim to be a member with Art in Albuquerque and Glendale. Since the members of Albuquerque that attended here in Glendale are family members, this means you are related to Art.
Nowwww what is your relationship with Art? because your posts potray you to be a vieja, I thought you were a female. However you said you were male. So this means that you are a brother, son or Nephew.
I noticed on some of your Blogs you are writing in Spanish. The only Tafoya Males that speak Spanish are Art's Brother. His sons and nephews are not fluent in Spanish.
Soooo, I am thinking that you are Either Nat, Charlie or Robert Tafoya. I ask myself this, Would Nat anonymously blog to defend Art? In my opinion, I do not think so because Art ran Nat out of the AA and bad mouth Nat and his family to the church members at Glendale. This eliminates Nat.
I am thinking that you are either Robert or Charlie. Based on what I know about Robert, I am thinking that you are Charlie. I think that the initials TLC represent your name.
T = Tafoya
L = I am not sure about this one
C = Charlie
Bro. Charlie you need to quit covering and defending the sins of your brother. This blog does not impact a court of law, but the intent of this blog is to influence the court of public opinion. This is why I believe Art. started the AA.info. "We report and you decide" Now poor Art's plan opened him up to scrutiny. I believe Art's plan backfired on is because he is guilty of the same sins. Maybe with all you bible quoting, you can give some consejo to Artutors and tell him tha tthe Bible has good wise principle such as "Do unto others as you would like done unto you" Scripture is being fulfilled and you should be rejoicing Charlie.
Hey Johnnie Cochran, who was the treasurer during Marrufo's administration? Who was the treasurer during the transfer from Marrufo to Tafoya?
Oh and is it possible that you can respond without name calling? Why do your feathers get rouffled? You claim you're Tafoya's greatest critic yet you defend him at the same time. Again please respond without name calling - ACT LIKE A CHIRSTIAN for heavens sake!
GAC had 150 when Pastor Tafoya took over? That's not true. I'm pretty sure it was under 20.
Let's see. The Ongs, Garcias, Salas, Romeros, Adames, my memory goes bad. I don't think any of the other Tafoyas moved here to GAC right away either. So whoever said 150, prove it. Who else was there?
Speaking of Tafoya. Lorretta Tafoya has the biggest, most beautiful breasts in the apo church.
She's a total MILF.
Loretta had her chichis reduced? Thats a sin because God blessed her with DDD's.
Its a sad day. I will mourn.
LADELOTRODIA
Dijo "quel IRS fue a la pobre casa? "Bueno segun mis medios tiene valverde una casa que vale por lo menos 1 millon de $$$.
Si lees los blogs previos te puden ayudar a saber porque el IRS los busca.
Ram Shackle Here is your proof!
The Ongs, Garcias, Salas, Romeros, Adames, A. Trujillo & Fam., Oscar Jr. Trujillo & Fam., Amada & Oscar Sr. Trujillo, Mary Trujillo (total about 15), Padillas, Diaz, Villanuevas, Hernandez, Lamas, Aparicios, Martos, Cesar, Herrera, Avinas, Arriagas, Perez, Ganados, Bejar, Covarrubias, R. Provencio, Gela, Uribes (2 Families), Nieves, K. Salcido, D. Romo, Zamoras, Morales, SHALL I GO ON cause there is more? Pleeeaase Tafoya worshipers get your facts strait!
Johnnie Cochran please answer my question!
I cant sleep. I keep thinking of those legendary Loretta Tafoya bigguns. DDD's.
Her brother inlaw Paul Gutierrez is a loser.
He, like Art, went independnt.
Oldtimer,
Didn't half of those families leave within a year of Tafoya pastorship? I know that most of those families are with the UPC under Pastor Garret's church. The other half followed Pastor Marrufo to Cashion.
However, like some one said, let's us not look past anymore let's look towards the future. Let's move on to winning souls and bringing back those how have left Jesus.
God bless all and let us shine in 2009!
Troublemaker,
Most of those people left when Marrufo was there. You also left off Ed Llamas who lived next door to the Trujillos. He was the post man with a hook, a very nice person.
I don't even know or care who Tafoya's treasurer was doing his administration, I sure can careless who was Marrufo's treasurer. And I am not sure what that implicates?
Obviously you are new comer on this blog. Go back to reading this blog from its inception (September 2007) and you will see my comments in their entirety. Then you can come back and spew venom like your used to.
A lot things have transpired in the past year. There have been alot of things said, true and untrue. Rumor and fact. And words that can never be taken back. They are there for all to read.
If you say there was 150 when he over the church you are gravely mistaken.
OldCBG,
I don't think Charlie is TLC, I'm not sure Charlie even know's what the internet is. I don't think it is any of his brothers..........sisters...maybe.
Well, this is my last blog for 2008. Catch all you fellow bloggers in 2009.
Maybe we should all get to work on those New Year's resolutions. How about we come up with some good ones for the AA gb?! Here's the first one: Try not to get arrested/questioned by the authorities while in office.
Hey Johnny C. why do you get so nasty. All OldtimerfromGAC is doing is making comments from the past, and the way you respond, VENOM IS COMING OUT OF YOU VEINS. Take it easy man and demonstrate some of that love you talk so much about. GOD BLESS YOU!!!!!
Mr. Johnnie Cochran, why do you call Oldtimerfrom GAC a TroublemakerfromGAC? I agree with Sorel. I know for a fact that all the information he or she has been giving us is correct. Oltimer has a right to express his/her views also. So take a deep breath! Think before you write, because your starting to lose credibility.
Witness in Phx you are right! 3/4 of the membership left after a year. Some went to the UPC. Only the Uribes and Nieves followed Marrufo. And the rest went to pastor Miguel Hernandez church.
Lets get back to the real subject did Bro. Solomon really have the most votes, if so why was he disquailifield. And did 2 votes really have to 2 votes and the others board members make it fair with the most votes. Or are they just rumors or are they fact.
John Doe go to the website "Apostolicassembly.info" and you'll find all the letters and documentation showing that the election fraud of 2006 was indeed a fact!
Can someome post the web address for the AWA.
Cant find it. Looking to find out the dates of the coming event at Br. Baldemar's church this January.
Thanks!
omg...
Here is that webpage
https://www.advancedministry.com/sites/index.cfm?i=7797
God Bless
Mis hermanos, que la paz celestial sea en sus corazones.
Toda obra tabajada en reprecentacion de JESUCRISTO tiene que ser pasada por el fuego, para tener aprovacion CELESTIAL.
El "IRS" no trabaja para satanas,
PERO si hace uso de las palabras divinas de JESUS cuando dijo, "DAD A CESAR LO QUE ES DE CESAR Y A DIOS LO QUE ES DE DIOS". EL ano 2009 sera un ano para purgar predios y usos de dineros bien usados o mal usados. En otras palabras, se dedicaran a buscar charlatanes predicadores labadores de dinero episcopal que al mismo tiempo tienen "side jobs" financieros. En otras palabras se tratara de analizar " the real core of the individual" en lo que pretende aparentar.
Tal analisis no es una "prueba de parte de DIOS" como lo llaman uds.
simplemente se le quieren conocer que tipo de estructura financiera se tiene. Si se predica el "HUMILDE" mensaje de salvacion para la humanidad, quieren ver de donde salen las divisas monetarias que hacen tanto ruido.
Did you hear about Henry Palma aka hank the tank. He came out of the closet. It is about time.
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie AKA TLC
It is beautiful the way you quote scripture; however, Art. should not have started all this conflict in Cyberspace since he is guilty of the same things. Instead of burying his head in the sand he needs to see how his past behaviors have affected the opinions of the people he oversees. The two places of where he pastored (Albuquerque and Glendale) the people have a negative perspective of him because of Money issues. Also, here are some opinions of Art.
He loves money
He is prideful
Art needs to go to a seminar that he allows people to tell him how he comes across. Maybe this blog is a good thing for Art, he can change his behaviors so that his church members he can bond with him.
Art should be evaluating himself right now. He should be asking questions like why do most pastors in two districts think I have a love for money? Of the two church's I have pastored (Albuquerque and Glendale) why do people have negative perceptions of me? Unlike the other pastors who left the AA, why is it that your members, besides your family, did not follow you?
I bet a vast majority of negative opinions stem around money.
Hey Johnie Cochran
I recall some of your blogs claiming that Art. was the founder of AA.info. You found out that Art wrote some letters or something like that. Please elaborate on that.
I believe that most of Pastor Tafoya's subordinates disliked him because of many reasons. I know he was really frowned upon after driving up to district services in his Escalade. His heavy handedness with demanding finances made it look worse. Most pastors in the assembly are barely making ends meet because they are uneducated and have little resources. It was also difficult to communicate in Spanish when Pastor Art had trouble speaking it.(That's not an insult, just facts.) So when you have a superior who comes into your small church to "clean it up", take offerings, drive away in an escalade, lexus, or bmw, go straight to claim jumper, than finally to a mansion of a home, it just sends the wrong message. How can members and pastors relate?
What is the web page on Cyberspace???
What is the web page on Cyberspace???
tlc...
Perfect advice for yourself, since you put so much confidence in tafoya!!!!
TLC
You are correct!!! We should not put our trust in man but rather in the lord.
My friend that is what Bro. Naverrete did. He left the AA with his congregation. While Pastor Art was bishop, he went on his crusades in the name of God enforcing AA tariffs (tithes of tithes). Blessed are these men, that continued to fulfill their call as pastor because the AA in all its ungodliness is beginning to implode.
The assembly unrepented sin is revealing ungodly characters. One of those characters is Art. Tafoya. However, I pray that Art. repents of his sins so that he does not deter good people from joining the AWA. I have spoken with a few pastors that are tired of the AA, but they are leary to join the AWA because of Art Tafoya. People see Art as a person who is motivated by greed and desire for power.
Hopefully if Art. is reading this he can change his ways.
God Bless
Well, there are others like bishops and pastors that are like magicians whose best trick is to make money disappear. Its not just Tafoya. Maybe he is the most visible right now but how about the others in the AA
Can someone tell me what the Cyberspace site is??
Not trying to back up anyone but I'm going back to what I said earlier.
Recap, Rumors start with a little truth mixed in with way more made up stories. I am finding it here again, even someone said, paraphrase: "thats right thats the truth....I agree etc." To another blogger. Again I see some truth mixed in with way more additional made up stories.
And again I am only speaking from what I have seen. I have family in AZ who are not in church. When I would visit, I would also visit the Glendale church. I knew the hmo y hma Tafoya Sr.
Someone said so many brothers left because of Tafoya. My point is that for so many people leaving as someone said (not I). Never once did I visit was the church ever empty, it was always full to the back. My only point is if many left the Lord always filled those seats.
I'm sorry there is more I want to say about what I have seen said here on the blogs. Some truth maybe? Mixed in with more non-truths. I dont want to feed the frenzie.
Some are out for blood, the only blood you need is the blood of Jesus.
I had an awesome time in church New Year's Eve. I wish you all peace and prosperity in this new year. God Bless You!
Revolutionaries for Jesus!!!
Back to the Maffey Case, Somebody asked if the AA will make a public statement, my guess is no, because the AA will never back up any of it's members in wrong doing. The AA (as usual) will continue warp the minds of the young with their, "DO IT or ELSE Doctrine" contine to preach to its church the same junk they have been preaching with little or no growth, and collect your hard earned money while doing it. Seriously EVALUATE & LIBERATE YOURSELVES and break out from the Cult that is the AA!!! Denominations were man made and a bad idea.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/221631/apostolic_pentecostalism_the_cult_of.html
Quien se Peo
Very good Link. and so true.
Quote:
" Most religious organizations require serious study before granting a minister his license - sometimes from four to eight years in seminary. Many Pentecostal sects do not require anything in the way of qualifications. Full institutional credentials are not necessary for pastoral duties, only the skill of verbal communication and a working knowledge of how to make the books look legal."
VERY VERY TRUE
Quote:
" It doesn't take long to realize that questioning the chain of command isn't taken lightly. In a Pentecostal church questioning the chain of command is considered rebellion." VERY VERY TRUE
Quote:
Whatever the Pastor says goes because he has been marked as an official "man of God."
I know this for a fact. When I asked for help, the Bishop said I brought serious accusations against the "THE MAN OF GOD"
he didn't even want to know the truth.
I believe that there would be less problems if more would-be Pastors would start completely from scratch. Alot of members go through several Pastors. In my opinion, they are more loyal to those that guided them to salvation. The problems occur when a Pastor inherits a church with established members who have their own ambitions.
Can someone give me the cyber web page. I want to read more about what is going on
can someone please give me the web page for cyberapostolic I want to read more on what is going on
chumina...
Try this link.
http://www.apostolicassembly.info/Main.html
thank you so much for the link
I have to admit that even though I am no longer with the AA, I am curious as to what is happening with it's members. I'm surprised at all of the blogging about Tafoya. I've read some blogs where people say he's repented of his wrong doings during his term as bishop. That may be the case but unfortunately those wounds are still there. No organization is perfect however, since joining the UPC after my Pastor made the decision to leave the AA, things are so different. Each church governs itself in accordance with upholding the standards and by-laws of the organization. You don't have to worry about a tyrant storming into your church to demand money, etc. There is great peace in running a church without those fears or following traditions, policies just because someone says so...It's sad to see so many people hurting within the organization as people in authority are abusing their power and the system. As you all search for the perfect place to worship on Sunday and Pastor to support may you all find Peace and Happiness in 2009.
Quien Se Peo... im so with you on the whole DO IT Or else tactics that the AA use. That is fully wrong. As I mentioned before I was raised as a Apple thanks be to God that the fog was lifted from my eyes and I was able to see that God dosent just love the Apostolics. My children Love the Lord freely not cause I forced them or scared them. I dont ever remember myself at 10 and 12 looking forward to going to church and worshiping. My kids now love the Lord cause they feel his presence. It isnt a feared/forced thing they have to do. I didnt enjoy church till I was able to go out with the youth and hang out at resturants till 1 or 2am @ 15yrs old. That is when I wanted to go to church but for all the wrong reasons. Mind you I hung with many Pastors kids from many districts and more so I thank God im no longer in that cult.
We are not a cult. We are the church of God here on earth. We are one in long line of the blood of Jesus. We are a royal priesthood. We are separate from the world. We are the representatives of the high calling. We are called to a higher place. We are called by the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. We are called to save the world.
We are called to spiritual greatness! We are called to be separate!
We are, APOSTOLICS!
Lift the savior up! Praise your way to spiritual greatness in 2009!
Just heard David Hernandez Jr. passed away.
Sorry to hear. The Lord comfort his family
Yes he did a couple of hours ago. Please keep the Hernandez family in all ur prayers.
Please dont call the AA a cult. They are not the only religious organization to have problems and not the last.
The AA is the vehicle many have come to know salvation. Even if I dont remain in the AA, it is where I grew up in the Lord and many will continue. Get real. Your showing your spiritualy imbalanced. Are you trinitarian?
Hi Blessedone2008
So glad you are in church and are happy there. I know you meant well wishing everyone to find that perfect place to worship. I have family in the UPC org. they have their issues too. Actually some have left that org. too.
Just keep in mind the only perfect place will be heaven. I'll see you there one day. Dont know what org. I maybe with. Could be AA, AWA, UPC or another Jesus name org.
See you at that perfect place one day.
God Bless You, keep the faith!
Revolutionaries for Jesus!!!
Okay my apologies....I lived in it for years many of my family is/was apostolic. Im speaking from experience not just seeing. I say cult only cause now as an adult that is what it felt like. That is my only explanation to the ridiculous rules and regs. They based so much on the outside.. you need to wear this.. you cant wear that.... you cant go hear. Let me tell you that over the years I've seen many changes in AA world. What was the difference with dying and perming hair. What is the difference of watching a movie at home rather than the theaters??? All of the rules are man made there is no biblical principal behind it. Why over time all of a sudden some AA churches allow rings....that is was not biblical it was a AA man made rule. God never changes the law of the AA world changes. They decided what you can and cant do. If there is sin in someones life leave it to God to convict and change the soul and bring him to salvation. Dont hang a scarlette letter and condemn them for what they do. Love them back dont push them away. So I must end this now and tend to my family.... FYI No I am not trinitarian LOL But God loves them just the same as he loves the AA the UPC and the Non-Denominational.
God B with you all this weekend.
My heart goes out once again to the Hernandez family...I never ever got a chance to tell you David, but I'll post it here. When the AA starting falling apart, I turned to you to help me though my anger and hurt with what was happing..An you knew my back ground same as yours and you told me to hold on to Christ..because God had nothing to do with the situation that AAGB had done to my heritage and yours. It was our familys that brought many souls to Christ and have been and still to this day "fighting the good fight." Like your Dad and mine..were and are true men of God. Thank you for your words of encourgement through all of this. I'm so sorry I never told you..but you were a blessing to me in 2008.
Nevaeh
I know what you mean by rules and regs. Those things you mentioned, dress, movies etc...
I just see those as guidelines, but I've come to realize. We are in charge of putting those guidelines on ourselves. We all know where we have to draw the line in our own christian walk. I dont look down on someone who goes to the movies or wears the ring. They are in charge of their salvation. I'd rather see someone baptized in Jesus name and wear pants than not get baptized. Some I know would not agree.
Since I have family in the AA and UPC and independent. Different org. have diff rules/regulations. When I was a teen we were told the ladies could not pluck their eye brows. I visited with my UPC family and they were plucking the eye brows. I was taken back. But now I dont think its tabu to pluck anymore. I grew up were the men should not have a mustache. Since then I have had a pastor that wore a mustache.
We do need guidelines, I just dont get to caught up over who is doing what.
All I know is this one thing. When Jesus comes back for his church, he is not coming for capirutada.
1st Thes. 5:23 says, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
There is nothing wrong for ladies (or men) plucking their eyebrows or wearing pants. That's one of the problems with the Apostolic Assembly and UPC.
Many ignorant people believe in "holiness standards" which are fine. But salvation is not earned. If people want to stress guidelines than it should be considered a standard and not a biblical requirement for salvation.
In fact, I consider it wickedness for men to call themselves "men of God" and preach that women should not wear certain clothing, etc. People should flee from that type of brainwashing. I believe it to be an instrument of control that an organization or local ministry tries to gain over individuals. The assembly considers this type of dogma to be part of the doctrine. However, this doctrine is not biblical. The "apostles" of the new testament don't teach holiness as dress code. This is a big part of why the assembly and UPC has a cultic stereotype. The apostolic doctrine is to believe that Jesus is the son of God, shed his blood, and resurrected. We teach the doctrine of the apostles. Which is detailed mostly in the book of Acts. However, good insight into the early church's doctrine is taken from Paul's other epistles.
Curious brothers how people feel about the guidelines/standards the AA, UPC has set. Are they set higher than necessary?
Myself, I know we need them. But should there be changes. I blogged early only on a few points.
a. Years ago the men should be clean shaven and no mustache.
(Not today)
b. Eye brows are not to be plucked. (Not today)
C. Going to the theatre?
d. Dyeing of the hair?
e. Wearing of pants?
f. Wedding ring?
My view: Mustache and eye brow plucking are non issue.
Theatre: I think is ok with your spouse. Time spent together. Or a family time. You have to use your disgretion on what you see. I dont think it is a good activity for youth on their own.
Dyeing of the hair: 1st of all many women do it already. Speaking about the greys not on changing hair color. Frankly, I've seen women who dont and I think it looks bad. It really looks unkept. I'm sorry I dont want to offend. If I were someone outside the church I would be thinking yuk.
Pants on women: This I know can really be scandalous. I said earlier I'd rather see someone in pants and baptized than not baptized. I think it should always be feminine. Myself I prefer the dress. But because I prefer it is it right for everyone else?
Wedding ring: Sometimes we had a new soul and their spouse was not from the church. They continued to wear the ring. I dont have one, but I dont think it is wrong. I just excepted it.
I wonder how Moses would have answered these questions.
Please blog your comments.
Revolutionaries for Jesus!!!
I know salvation is by grace and by faith but read this.
James 2:18
Yea, a manmay say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Ram Shackle
I blogged after you, I just saw your comments you have good points. You sounded a little hostile. I dont ask this in a hostile manner. Just thought it should be discussed. I'm waitting to hear from more of you.
Thanks!
Also, I dont mean this in disrespect to the AA or UPC org.
Cali Pete
We know these verses, can you expound on what you mean to say by them.
Cali Pete
I dont know what you mean by capiratada. Isn't that a mexican drink.
Also, I do follow these guidelines.
These guidelines are good, but are they necesary for salvation.
Peace
Sure
Just because we have standards does not mean that it is all the points of salvation that we need to get into heaven, but it is through the grace of Jesus. Do you realize that in the Bush White House, he has standards in place where anyone who is employed there cannot go work in jeans. He has a dress code that they have to abide. Does that mean they are going to heaven? No, but it show a respect to the place where they are working. How much more so us that we are serving the Living God, is much more worthy of the best we can give Him.
have you all read the bible today?
most of the comments here,
speak louder than youall think
sea DIos veraz...........y todo bloggers mentirosos
He is coming soon to get his HOLY ones
repent
fallow peace i santidad
or else says God
Most pastors confuse holiness with standards of dress code and modesty. In fact, there is not a mention of it during the apostolic church in the new testament. In fact, circumcision was the one of holiness "standards" of BOTH the new and old testaments. However, it was thrown out because Paul cited that the heart would be judged as being holy and not a physical, outward sign. Today's holiness standards are very similart to islamic fundamentalism. Muslims are about 400 years behind on the holiness standards. Christians in the 1500's and 1600's used to dress just like today's muslims. Christians were burned at the stake for not obeying or being outspoken. It's so similar and awkward looking at the evolution of religion. Apostolic assembly holiness standards = islamic fundamentalism holiness standards.
I thought I'd share this joke with you all. Some of you might have already heard it but if you haven't here it goes.
"It was said that someone died and went to heaven and when he arrived there one of the angels gave him a tour around heaven. They came to several rooms that had the door shut and the angel told him that in each one of those rooms were the Pentecostals, Assemblies of God, Baptist, Non-denominational and he kept on and on naming other churches until he finally got to the last door he said "Shhh! here are the Apostolics they think they're the only ones here!"
That's exactly the mentallity of the church we have been raised in who think we are the only ones who will make it to heaven. I think many of us are going to be suprise when we get there to see those that we thought were not going to make to heaven because they didn't practice the Apostolic standards show up in heaven too!
Oops! Correction on the third paragraph "we have been raised in who think" it should be "we have been taught to think."
Wow what I missed this past weekend. I really need to get my computer fixed at home.LoL Well to OMG thank you for your understanding.... it is nice to hear that not everyone is an Independant hater. Everything in moderation live our lives as a shinning lite for our savior. God will show himself through our lives and our fruits.As to Ram Shakle Lackel.... You took the words out of my mouth our salvation is not and cannot be earned. Then again if you choose to wear skirts and live that way than that is what you prefer that my be the structure you need in your life. Again though, that it is not what will lead you to the pearly gates. That is the problem here dont condemn/judge me cause I wear jeans or I choose to dye my hair. If that is your beleifs than thats exactly what they are yours. I will still love you the same. I have my beleifs and we serve the same God... He is my savior regarless if I wear jeans & makeup. I think that there are alot of people that need lots of structure in their life that is what the AA is good for. The bottom line here is the judgenment. I have been told I am going to hell by old friends in the AA. The comment is always made to me "sister when you gonna come back to church?". Im like dude I never left!!! I am in church Im serving God. That is what I find so sad that many think that way. My pastor dosent preach against the apostolics. He knows of them it has been mentioned.... but he dose not talk down on them. Where as in the AA any church other than the AA/UPC has ben knocked. That is so sad when your at a AA function with family worshiping God then you hear down talk of other outside AA churches from the pulpit.So sad!!!
Hey all,
Just wondering if there is any news on additional churches from Southern California joining the AWA...
Thanks for posting the schedule of the anaugeration TLC.
Navaeh,
I saw your response. I'm surprised there really hasn't been more response. I did not say for me pants on women are ok for me and mine. Just that I'd rather see someone baptized and in pants than not. Personally, I think girls/women should be in dresses. That feels right to me. Notice I said feels right. I get a picture in my head of a service and the women in pants and doesn't seem right. There is need for standard. It is a standard for me, but I dont push that on anyone. Make-up I think should not be over done. Natural looking modest. Part of grooming. If a woman cant get out of the house because she needs make-up shes a slave to her make-up.
What I do think is really bad is judgement from someone who's guideline is high.
What I mean by this is in a certain area of UPC brethern. The women dress with long sleeves and dresses to the ankle. Me and mine wear cap sleeve and skirts to the knee and felt the snarls from those that wear their skirts/ankle to the floor. In another area of my UPC family they dont. It just shows we/they are taught a certain way. Standards very from denomination/church/area.
So by this I say, You/we are in charge of our daily walk and need to judge ourselves and not others.
Very well said. What feels right to you may not be the same for someone else. The stone throwing judgment just needs to stop.The AA has a rep for that, and it is sad/wrong when you hear it from the pulpit from a supposed Man of God. The question that arises is Where is Gods Love?
The AA teaches that a woman should not wear pants or makeup. This is considered part of the doctrine according to literture dessiminated in taking AA ministerial classes during the 90's. Does anyone know if the constitution of the AA makes mention of holiness standards and what those standards are? Or, is it just "understood"? Is it a national standard or a local church standard? The right/wrong feeling is described by the apostle Paul when he talks about condemnation. The redemption made for us is enough to remove all guilt and uneasiness. However, I respect those who feel it's part of their personal holiness. I actually watched a news reporter ask a pastor from ca about the dress code in the church. The pastor did not justify it with scripture. He stated that his church consisted of previous convicts and drug addicts and that they needed tough standards to be broken and stay clean. What an embarrassment!
I agree that there are many people that need that strictness cause they cant control themselves otherwise. They need full on structure someone to dictate there life some people are needy like that. Then you have the ones that just feel it is the right fit for them, u know the whole holiness yadayada. Which the point in all of this heads back to circumcised or uncircumcised as paul said we are all equal. We are all sinners saved by grace..no amount of veils, clothing, pew hurdling or running trips back and fourth in the asile is going to put us ahead of our fellow brothers in christ. We should never stop striving to get closer to God. The longing to draw nearer to him should never cease till we meet him face to face.
Get over it stop pointing fingers at each other..STOP! with the what standard gets you to heaven. The church has to so be pasted this pants ane hair thing.
What about inpeaching this GB..thats what needs to be done. Its just never going to be the same..how can any preacher preach knowing that the AA is run by dictators and oppressors. None of you have no sin..Stop throwing rocks..here are some famous words "Cant we just get along"
Peace
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MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO JOHN TRAVOLTA AND HIS FAMILY...
WHAT DOES AWA STAND FOR..
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERY BODY...MAY THIS BE A BLESSED YEAR 2009 FOR YOU..IF YOUR IN CHURCH PRAISE GOD..AND IF YOUR NOT IN CHURCH MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU TOO...
Relativism
A view that ethical truths depend on the individuals and groups holding them. In other words I'll do what I think is right. The main argument relativists appeal to is tolerance.
They claim that telling someone that his or her morality is wrong is intolerant, and relativism tolerates all views. Moral relativism is gaining ground today simply because people to want to adhere to some form of Godly standards.
Nowhere in the bible does is say not to use drugs, so does that mean that we can go ahead and use them. Of course not. Know ye not the ye are the temple of the Holy Ghost.
Nowhere does it say that we can't smoke. So does that give us the permission to smoke. Of course not.
It doesn't say that we should go to the movies or dances.
The bible doesn't say the women shouldn't wear pants or men shouldn't wear shorts and other things that there is so much bickering about.
The bible is not a book of relativism but principles to live a godly life before the Lord. We don't like what they preach about do's and don'ts, then what do you want when God is a Holy God and we are the temple of the Holy Ghost.
Yea I would like to know what dose AWA stand for as well. Ive been tring to figure it out since reading thru these blogs.
About the holiness standards... Enough we can go on about that forever.... your sin is no better than mine we are all sinners saved by Gods grace so get over it already. Praise God that we have another day of life... Thank him for all that he has blessed us with even if we are going through a trial. However bad you may think your situation is just always know that God can make somthing beautiful out of something we think is so awful. All this junk about the AA having burned all these pastors let it go they will be judged. If they lied and junk like that God will have the last say in all of it. They are just men, who cares if they are the President of the AA he is human and will commit sin. Dont put your trust in a man leave it in God. He is the only one that will never fail you. It is up to us to give God the okay to work in us and through us. Let it all go... who slept with who and stole what $ who cares!!! Let them have the be dirty like, dont hang with them or talk to them. If their issues affect u pray for them and get on.
ANOTHER WANNABE APOSTOLIC
A W A
Cut it out for reals.... I really want to know what that means. Come on lil eddie give me some real insight!!
For Mary and nevaeh
AWA stands for Apostolic World Alliance.
This is the link to the website:
https://www.advancedministry.com/sites/index.cfm?i=7797
Ahhh haaa!!! I see thank you Seven-T.
I liked my better
LoL yea I was a good one Lil Eddie. I wonder how a many of you bloggers I know from back in the days.... I bet a good handfull.
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AWA 2009 General Convocation
This was just posted to the website. Thought many would find it helpful.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9787938/Programa-de-La-Convocacion-General-2009
Hope to see you there!!!
Josh Bayne
josh.bayne@jbayneministries.com
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Yep you would little Eddie maybe it is because you are to short to stand on the stairs and see straight. Bro. Eddie please stand up oh wait you already are. lol
After all is said and done, we are still debating on standards of holinesss. Unbelievable!!!!
The great expositional preacher, John McArther said, "There should be liberty in the non-essentials and unity in the essential." Who will decide which is which? Personally I strongly believe that it is up to each individual meditating on the word of God.
Hi Naveah
I can appreciate your views most of the time. Here comes the BIG BUTT, no I mean BUT. LOL
I cant hahaha the way you can or as some others do. I dont agree with present situations. As many others. The AA has and still is a place where souls receive salvation. I respect the organization. We cant throw out the baby with the bath water. Just thought I'd speak my mind here. Not everyone in the AA are bad. There are way to many sincere Apostolics than not. As with the AWA or any other org. Praise God and keep serving Jesus.
Cali Pete
I like reading your blogs re: standards. I have kept these standards for myself and continue them. The movie going, we used to go maybe twice a year at the most. My husband and I. (Anniv/birthday) My pastor brought it out in service that going to the movies was not ok, part of the AA beliefs. We have not gone since out of respect for my pastor. About 15 yrs ago. Oops, I did, not my husband, go see The Passion of Christ.
It's only that I wanted to see how others feel about some of the standards. I uphold them but I cant say its necesary for salvation. For instance our body is a temple, yes of course it is. We should treat it as such. It's a sin to over eat or really if you think about it. How many of us are corrupting our bodies with any and everything we put in our mouth? But someone who disregarded his temple in every way by his diet, (there are many who do) are not condemned. Thats the reason I dont see condemnation in pants. I just wanted to hear an arguement for this. Not in particular about pants. Just using this as an example. Standards very, depends where you come from. I cant see Jesus saying, be cast into outer darkness you wore pants, you colored your greys, you ate to much, you wore shorts(men).
When the pilgrims coming to the new world as we know not every one made it because of scurvy. It is said that the food they were eating had they ate with the peel it could have prevented many unnecessary deaths.
So, basically they were getting rid of what they thought was non-essential and paid a dear price for it by eating what they thought only was essential.
I remember reading some of the writings of clement of alexandria, Ignatius and others. I don't have anything before me right now, but I do remember them mentioning a lot of the struggles they had are not much different then what we are experiencing in the present day church. I do remember though that as far as dress the ladies were stimulated to have a modest presentation before the unbelievers.
Their dress or robes whatever they wore, was to fit loosely as to hide the figure or lines of the body so as not to give occasion to the flesh and thus create temptation to the opposite sex.
Nowadays it seems to be getting tighter and tighter, shorter and shorter whether it be skirts or pants. So we are basically giving in to a worldly church of relativity. I dont't mean to demean the ladies whatsoever because the dress code for the male especially youth, has really made a big change. I don't think the Lord appreciates that at all.
Has anybody heard the speech by former Chief of Staff Henry Kissinger saying the world economy crisis the just the right time for Barack Obama to usher in the NEW WORLD ORDER.
well,well. now it all comes down to this...name calling. remembering what he said, wether it was wrong or not? people ( ----apostolics) going back and forth..
the aa leaders not taking responsability of their actions..
it seems to me that we are forgeting someone important????
God... What happend to u all??????
where is our true repentance???
King David had to pay for his sins!
have we all paid for our hidden sins yet?? or r we all excempt from
Gods rebuke??? all will be judged.
we forget that God sees all that is hidden... bless is he who trusts
in God...cursed is the man who trusts in men....do u fail??? even Paul the apostole said dont render
glory to men, but to God render glory...it hurts me cause i know Richard M. it hurts me cause i know
all the big boys in the aa.. and it
hurts me the most cause we are not
fixing our eyes on God...you want to make a difference in this world?
then start fasting..start praying..
start this year seeking Gods face..
humble your selfs....we will be judge by what we say,see,do,hear...
you want to be a " christian" that
word is used very loosely now at day...thats Christ like...do something about it get off the computer and used the medicine that Christ used prayer...fasting..
come on christians. people want to see u all fall apart..you all have being targeted to fall...from the big boys @ aa..to the smallests...
thanks to your comments that people read the devil is winning all the souls...you all should be
proud of the tallent to devour one onother....if my people...the invitaion is still open to repent
of what we all did and said....
word of the year REPENT..Jesus used this word to get across people that only saw someone elses
fault... Dios les bendiga....
greatest commandment of all Love one another... 7 abominations that God hates..read proverbs 6:16..
the last one is he that soweth discord among brethen..
.....Dios mio perdonanos...
Look all these comments are very negative about pastors whether they did right or wrong. But the point is that no matter who it was we the SAINTS have no position to judge other pastors, remember great or small. If you think for one moment that it is easy to be a pastor go ahead and try it my friend but remember you have to be called of GOD not of man. It sickens me to the point that i wanna puke, you stop worrying about other peoples fault and worry about your salvation. Let GOD be the judge I still love you all I'm not mad at you just at the sin. Please leave this subject or subjects alone and go on with ur spiritual walk with GOD. GOD bless you all remember I love you, Amen.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS, SINCE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AA HOLINESS STANDARDS.. WHATS THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN A AA WHO GOES TO CHURCH 3 TO 4 TIMES A WEEK WHO THINKS SHE IS HOLY IN CHURCH BUT CUTS AND COLOR HER HAIR, PUT ON SWEAT PANTS AT HOME OR WHEN GOING TO GYM AND LOVES TO GOSSIPS ABOUT HER BRO.OR SIS. WHO SHE IS PRAISING GOD WITH IN CHURCH OR EVEN TALK ABOUT HER OWN FAMILY WHO ARE NOT IN CHURCH..BUT SHE SEE HER SELF AS A HOLY AA...THAT MY SISTER SHE LOVES TO GOSSIP ABOUT EVERY BODY..BUT IF SHE HEARS OR KNOWS YOU ARE TAKING ABOUT HER SHE A AA DEVIL..
Apostolic culture and "standards" make their women in to ugly beastly looking creatures.
Only an apostolic can take a pretty woman and make her into a beast in the name of the lord.
Jimmy Mena is a prime example of what happens in the end.
Is it true the Inferior District is afraid their members might learn the truth at the AWA activity?
Is that why they are planning a Youth Consecration week with District services on Friday & Saturday in Indio?
How LAME can you be? What preacher will you use to draw a crowd Severo Leon?!! ROFLMAO
How about Juan Campos? hmmm I guess not since Lugi doesn't like him.
How about the District Secretary's Brother - after all, he was the National Youth Sampler, I mean President.
How about the big Cheese? No one wants to hear from SanCheez
How about the big Green? No one has any money left to help with his constuction
How about the little Napoleon? He's in the middle of another scam and can't be pulled away
What's left? Old Yeller? Maybe he can fly his son the false prophet out from New York and show us how to walk on water
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Apostolic culture and "standards" make their women in to ugly beastly looking creatures.
Only an apostolic can take a pretty woman and make her into a beast in the name of the lord.
WOW! Did you get turned down by an apostolic woman?
Lighten up, whoever you are!! These women are our Grandmothers, Mothers, Wives, Aunts, Daughters, Sisters, but most of all, they are Gods children!!
What does the aa have to do with the beauty of these women?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but on you, perhaps ugly goes to the bone!
Comparing them to beast shows just how shallow you are!!!
When you can reach up high enough from walking amongst the gum, and spit that is on the ground, perhaps you can change your name to "Shallow one 4 life"!!!
I believe that mostly everyone on this blog or whatever you wanna call it has been hurt by many preachers or pastors that have taken advantage of GOD's church. everybody that has an ear to hear hear me out if you guys don't stop your bickering pretty soon you're gonna become a "cannibal". Now what cannibal means is that someone who eats human flesh out of anger. Most you probably know ths man by the name of Jeffrey Dummer, he was known as a cannibal in New York city. Now they interviewed this man and asked him why he became a cannibal he said he was hurt in his heart by people. He also said that the first time he ate someone he hated it but as his killings grew he grew a hunger for more and more flesh. Now my point is that if you guys do not STOP you WILL have a passion for eating your brother or sister in the spirit by sowing discord or talking about someone. I know that it will happen to each and every one of you if you don't STOP, your heart wil wax colder and colder. So please I hope you got my message or whatever you wanna call it, because i dont want hate between the bretheren of Christ. because I want every single one of you to be saved.
Fedupwithdecit
That was funny, I had to read it twice. lol
I plan on attending the AWA convention with my kids. Its all I have left.
Besides my family was one of the ones thrown out....they dont want us at AA..oh sad is that.
So glad my grandparents are not around to see all this. I'm looking forward to seeing my old friends at AWA..if they go. And try to reclaim some type of hope for my salvation..No I'm not like you..I need somewhere to go to feel refuge from all this.
:)
A TODOS LOS PASTORES DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS...
BUENAS NUEVAS!!!
LES SALUDO MUY FELIZ EN ESTA TEMPORADA:
EL DOMINGO PASADO 4 de enero de 2009. EN LA CIUDAD DE EDINBURG, TEXAS...
LOS REVERENDOS RAUL MURILLO, SECRETARIO Y EX-PRESIDENTE DE LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO Y EL REVERENDO
ALFREDO HERRERA, PASTOR DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS, SE REUNIERON EN DICHA CIUDAD PARA UN GRAN SERVICIO DE "REUNIFICACION DE AMBAS IGLESIAS, LA ASAMABLEA Y LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO...
EL REVERENDO MURILLO PREDICO UN GRAN SERMON COMO NINGUN MINISTRO DE LA ASAMBLEA NI DE LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO PUEDEN PREDICAR EN ESTOS TIEMPOS....
GRACIAS A DIOS QUE YA SE PUEDEN "RECIBIR" MINISTROS DE LA IGLESIA APOSTOLICA DE MEXICO EN NUESTROS PULPITOS DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS Y TAMBIEN EN TODOS LOS PAISES DE "LATINO AMERICA DONDE LA ASAMBLEA TIENE TEMPLOS...
FELICITACIONES PARA LA HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA.. DE LOS REVERENDOS, SANCHEZ, PACHECO, MAFFEY, DEL CAMPO, PRADO, ESPINOZA, AGUILAR Y EL REVENDERISIMO VALVERDE QUE ES EL MAS CONTENTO, PORQUE AHORA YA PUEDE RECIBIR A SUS PRIMOS Y FAMILIARES QUE VIVEN EN TIJUNA.
FELICIDADES!!!!!
"AHORA TODOS PUEDEN SUBIR AL CIELO EN EL RAPTO"!!!!
VALIO TOMAR LA SANTA CENA EN LA CONVENCION ESTE PASADO NOVIEMBRE...
AHORA LOS EMINENTES DE LA HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVAS PUEDEN DORMIR TRANQUILOS.....BUENOS SUENOS.....___________________________________
TRANSLATION:::::::
TO ALL THE PASTORS OF THE AA, CONGRATULATIONS ARE IN ORDER FOR THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL SERVICE HELD IN EDINBURG, TEXAS JANUARY 4, 2009, WITH THE "REUNIFICATION" OF THE
"IGLESIA DE MEXICO AND THE AA.."
THE REVEREND RAUL MURILLO, SECRETARY AND PAST PRESIDING BISHOP OF THE "IGLESIA DE MEXICO" PREACHED ONE OF THE MOST ELOQUENT SERMONS OF THIS AGE...
THE AA GENERAL BOARD IS TO BE HIGHLY CONGRATULATED...
THE "EMIENT" REVEREND, SANCHEZ, PACHECO, MAFFEY, PRADO, ESPINOZA, AGUILAR AND OF COURSE THE NEXT PRESIDING BISHOP OF THE AA, THE "EMIENT" VALVERDE.
WHO "FULLY EXERCISES THE GIFT OF "FULL RESTORATION".....
SINCE HE HAS SO MANY IN HIS FAMILY TO "RESTORE" AND ALSO AGUILAR AND PRADO...
CONGRATULATIONS AND WELL DONE.....
NOW THEY CAN ALL GO IN THE "RAPTURE"!!!!!
TAKING THE "HOLY COMMUNION' AT THE CONVENTION LAST NOVEMBER SURE PAID OFF..........!!!!!!
NOW THE EMINENTS CAN SLEEP SOUNDLY....
SLEEP SOUNDLY EMINENTS......
I wonder if the $4 million have been RESTORED!
And how about trying to restore the pastors they kicked out right here in the continental United States WHOSE ONLY WRONG WAS TO BRING TO LIGHT WRONGDOINGS IN THE ELECTIONS?
REMEMBER THE DISGRACEFUL 2006 ELECTIONS IN LONG BEACH.
THEY SHOULD RESTORE THE VOTING POWER TO THE PASTORAL BODY!
Sis Rosie Hernandez has passed away. Keep the Hernandez family in prayer.
Their labours are not in vain.
The only thing they wish they could restore and never will is the respect.
Thats right R.E.S.P.E.C.T
No matter how many EMINENTS you put before their names. They will never, never have the respect of past GBs.
Does anyone know services for Sis Rosie if it is true?
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Good afternoon bloggers
seems this blog has lost its steam... turned into a couple of rants in the wilderness..
how sad.. once it had the potential to drive change...
Probing Sancheze's and Valverde'z and Pacheco's PLANS;
Agenda for the next year.
1. Do away with the Pastor's vote.
2. Set and established the "control" the "munipulation" and the "dictorship" of the "HONORABLE BOARD".
3. ELIMINATE CONVENTIONS" ONLY HOLD MINISTERIAL CONVENTIONS AND THEIR "HALVES", (WIVES).
4. BY ELIMATING CONVENTIONS WHICH ARE TAKING TOO MUCH MONIES OUT OF THE GENERAL BOARD MONEY BANKS.
5. SET A QUOTA OF $20,000.00 OR MORE $10,000 OR $5,000.00 FROM EACH CHURCH EVERY YEAR TO BRING TO EVERY MINISTERIAL CONVENTION.
THIS WILL "EXCLUDE" MEMBERS AND FAMILIES FROM ATTENDING CONVENTIONS, ONLY MINISTERIAL.
WHY BRING IN THE CHURCH MEMBERS., THEY ARE NOT NEEDED....ONLY "THEIR MONIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND THESE "MONIES THE PASTORS AND MASTERS WILL BRING...."
COSTS FOR CONVENTIONS ARE TOO "MUCHY" FOR THE GENERAL BOARD TO PAY....THEY ARE FEELING THE "PINCH" HUH VALVERDE?????
HUH MAFFEY, TRESURER?????
BRING IN THE "PASTORS, THE MASTER AND THE "MONIES."!!!!!
5. PRESENT TO THE PASTORS AND MINISTERS THE "EXCUSE" THAT BECAUSE OF........
THE "RECESSION" "DEPRESSION" AND THE "FINANCIAL CRISIES" OF THE WORLD,
THE HONORABLE GENERAL BOARD WILL TOTALLY "ELIMINATE" CONVENTIONS,
ONLY MINISTERIAL AND NOT FOR THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP.
HOLD ALL CONVENTIONS IN CALIFORNIA, SINCE IT PRODUCES "MORE MONIES"
FORGET THE EXPENSES OF THE PASTORS FROM MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, FLORIDA,"FORTINO"
COLORADO, KANSAS, ILLINOIS, ETC.,
FORGET ABOUT THE TEXANS AND FROM OKLAHOMA, LET THEM "PAY WHO CARES".
'LET THEM PAY "THROUGH THEIR NOSES, THE "HONORABLE BOARD" DOES NOT CARE"""""
ITS ONLY THE ONES FROM "CALIFORNIA" THAT "PRODUCE" MONIES....
SO LET THE OTHERS GO TO THE BALDEMAR, SALOMON, TORRES,ZUNIGAS OR EVEN TO THE IGLESIA OF MEXICO, WHO IS NOW IN FULL "REUNIFICATION" WITH THE ASSEMBLY......
6. "MONIES, AND MORE "MONIES" IS THE NAME OF THE GAME.....
7. KEEP INTIMIDATING THE PASTORS, WITH THREATS OF "FIRING THEM".
8. ESTABLISHMENT OF THE HONORABLE GENERAL BOARD SONS AND SON'S IN- LAW IN WELL ESTABLISHED CHURCHES., SUCH AS HOUSTON, PREVIOUS BROTHER WILLIE MENDOZA'S.
9. ESTABLISH "THEIR SONS AND SON'S IN-LAW, AND ESTABLISH THEM GOOD, WHILE THE "GETTING" IS GOOD....
JUST LIKE AGUILAR DID WITH HIS SON WITH NO SHAME....
10. KEEP THE PASTORS AND ALL THE MINISTERIAL BODIES IN THE "DARK" TELL THEM NOTHING.
p. s.
JUST GET MORE MONIES. FROM THE PASTORS, THE "DORCAS," "FLOR AZUL" AND "MANO A MANO."
KEEP THE SAME BOARD MEMBERS IN OFFICE,
AS WAS DONE IN THE CONVENTION.
\WITH THE DORCAS..
GEORGINA AGAIN AND SANTA AGAIN. SINCE THE 1960'S!!!!!!!
GREAT PLANS HONORABLES...
BUT YOU WILL SEE ALLL YOUR LITTLE KINGDOM COLLAPSE!!!!
IN JESUS NAME IT WILL COLLAPSE.. NOW!!!!
BECAUSE THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS IS THE CHURCH OF THE LORD AND NOT YOURS...
THE HONORABLE MAFIA DOES NOT RESPECT THE BRETHREN, NOR THE YOUTH, NOR THE PASTORS.
THE GENERAL BOARD, CONTROLS ELECTIONS, IN FRAUD, IN DECEIT AND IN "LACK OF RESPECT" OF GOD AND OF THE HARD WORKING BRETHREN, AND PASTORS WHO HOLD TWO JOBS AND ALSO AT PASTOR AT THE SAME TIME...
WHILE THE "HONORABLE VALVERDE" BUYS HIS 'WIFEY' A MERCEDES BENZ, SINCE IT WAS HER 'CUTIE' LITTLE WIM,
AND HE JUMPED AT THE "CUTIE WIFEY"
WHO WEARS "TIGHT WOOL SWEATERS" AS A "TEEN AGER".
HER LITTLE WIM WAS FOR THE "BENZ" AND "SAMMY" WHO HAS ALOT OF "MONIES" BOUGHT IT THERE AND THEN.
AND BOUGHT IT FOR THE "WIFEY.'
THIS IS WHAT VALVERDE SAID, DURING THE TIME HE WAS 'BEHIND' THE PODIUM AT THE LAST CONVENTION.
THE WORLD IS IN "RECESSION" THE PASTORS STRUGGLING TO PAY FOR THEIR HOMES AND CHURCHES, THE YOUTH HAVING TO BE "CHARGED" $25.00 TO ATTEND THE "YOUTH SERVICES'
AT THE CONVENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE PASTORS HAD TO PAY $10,000.00, $5,000.00 AND $2,500.00 TO ENTER AT THE "GRAND GALA BANQUET" AT THE CONV ENTION, BUT THE MEMBERS OF THOSE PASTOR'S WHO REALLY "PAID THE $10,000.00, $5,000.00 AND $2,500.OO COULD NOT EVEN "PEEK" IN AND SEE WHAT WAS "GOING" ON!!!!
THESE IS SHEER "CRUELTY".
YET THE "HONORABLE" VALVERDE WAS 'LIKE "THE GESTAPO" SCREAMING AT THE "TOP OF HIS LUNGS" "WHERE IS YOUR "TICKET" WHERE IS YOUR TICKET" TO THE "BRETHREN WALKING IN TO THE "GRAND BALL ROOM".
THE EXPENSE THAT WAS DONE ON THE "FLORAL ARRANGEMENTS" COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH LESSER, EXTRAVANGE, SINCE DO NOT "FORGET WE ARE IN "RESSESSION"!!!!!
THE $10,000.00 AND $5,000.00 TABLES WERE ARRANGED WITH CENTER PIECES OF "GALA" aMERICAN BEAUTY ROSES ARRANGEMENTS, THE "LESSER" TABLES, FOR $2,500.00 TABLES HAD DISPLAYS OF "TUMBLING DRIED UP BRANCHES"....
(LEAVE TO VALVERDE'S WIFEY AND AGUILAR'S WIFEY)
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY SOOOOOOOMANY PASTORS AND THEIR SPOUSES AND SO MANY OTHER MEMBERS DID NOT ATTEND.
THEY HAVE HAD IT FOR GOOD!!!!
THESE "GALLOS" ARE "FINISHING THEMSELVES" WITH BLINDERS.....
IF YOU DID NOT GO, YOU DID NOT MISS ANYTHING...
IT WAS ON "RECONCIALIATION"..
AND EVEN THE "HOLY COMMUNION" WAS SERVED.
AND DID THE "HONORABLES' GO AND "RECONCIALE WITH THE PASTORS "THAT WERE OUSTED" AND LIKE "CAMINADO VOY SAID", WHERE IS THE "RECOCIALIATION?????"
THIS IS WHY NO CONVENTIONS EVER WILL EVER BE THE SAME...EVEN IF THEY ARE HELD HERE IN CALIFORNIA...
THESE PASTORS AND CONGREGATIONS ARE TOO INFORMED AND TOO EDUCATED TO BE "MUNIPULATED" FOR THEM TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO "MERCEDES BENZES"
BRAGS......
AND SANCHEZ, PRESENTING VALVERDE "THAT VALVERDE'S DESIRE HAD BEEN TO BE A MEDICAL DOCTOR., BUT VALVEDER CHOOSE THE MINISTRY."
PLEASE STOP WITH "COULDA, WOULDA, SHOUDA., ITS TOO LATE VALVERDE..
WHILE THE "HONORABLE GENERAL BOARD" GET "TWO SALARIES" FROM THE GENERAL BOARD AND FROM THEIR LOCAL CHURCHES, THAT THEY "SQUEEZE, PRESS, OPPRESS AND DISRESPECT......
AND BUILDING "NEW HOUSES LIKE SANCHEZ, STOLEN FROM THE "ELDERS ROMERO FAMILY.
look what was done to Isaac Hernandez, whose father David Hernandez and his mother Sister Rosie Hernandez, struggled, suffered and endured so much to established the "Life Line Church".
OVER 35 YEARS......
The Honorable Mafia, "ordered" no one from the Hernandez family could continued Pastoring that church here in Whittier,
but did Abel Aguilar consider that Bishop Willie Mendoza also had a grandson who Bishop Mendoza wanted to be Pastor,WHO HAD CONGREGATED THERE IN HOUSTON WITH BROTHER MENDOZA???
or maybe some other local Pastor in the Church of Houston, Texas THAT had worked with Bishop Mendoza, that could have taken over the Pastorship there?????
But no consideration was even thought off...
God bless the Hernandez family, especially their sweet daughters , Sister Dina and Reyna Barbosa, from here in the East Los Angeles District...
PASTORES, QUE TANTO VAN USTEDES A SOPORTAR A ESTOS......MAL AREPENTIDOES. DE LA HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA??????
No fue porque la convention no fue aqui en California que hubo poca atendencia en la ultima convention en Noviembre.
Fue porque ya los hermanos no quieren ir a las convenciones, a oir a Valverde hablar del el Mercedes Benz que le compro a su esposita....Ni tampoco oir que su hijo no quiere ya atender a los "cultos" de su iglesia.
Ya los miembros y Pastores no quieren oir "mentalidades de infantilismo...." Mal arrepentidos....
Lease Romanos capitulo I....
Dios tenga misericordia de nosotros.
QUE NO TE DUELE QUE TU HERMANO EN CRISTO SUFRA?
"EL QUE TIENE MISERICORDIA SE LE TENDRA MISERICORDIA!!!" ASI DICE EL SENOR JESUCRISTO...!!!!!!
"TEN CUIDADO DE TI MISMO, Y DE LA DOCTRINA."!!!!!
"CON LA VARA QUE MIDEIS SERAS MEDIDO"....ABEL AGUILAR, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, MAFFEY,PRADO, MARTIN Y ARTIE...
QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS......!!!!!!
"ORAR SIN CESAR" DICE EL SENOR JESUS.....EL ESPIRITU ESTA PRESTO, MAS LA CARENE ENFERMA......
Latest developments: Just received word that Brother David Contreras, Rachel Valverdes dad just passed away.
Can someone please confirm these latest development?
Thanks Remembering:
Well Sammy got married to the Bishop's daughter and made money, lots of money in the AA.
Now what Sammy?
Remembering, did you know that after the funeral services of Bishop Manuelito Rodriguez Castorena, Martin Del Campo gave the Rodriguez Castorena family a charge of $1,800.00 for the "programs of the life and times of Bishop Castorena that were given out to the attending persons at the service?
The "cruelty of Martin Del Campo Charging the family, $1,800.00., and Victor Prado told the family the vehicle that the church was paying to Bishop and Sister Castorena, was no longer going to be paid, and that Sister Castorena was to return the vehicle back to the San Fernando church...
the down payment for that vehicle had been made with money and the "older"vehicle that Bishop Castorena had....
Now who is going to pay for the programs of the services for Samy Valverde's Father in Law?
We understand that Sammy "sold" the printing equipment of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in christ Jesus Incorporated, so that his son, who "runs" a printing shop would "get all the revenues" from the printing of the AA, Dorcas, Varones and Mops.
Wow what Martin and Victor and Sammy won't do for "the all mighty buck"!!!!
Even getting monies from the grieving families...
That is a cruel and calculating SIN!!!!!
All things come to an end Sammy, and you are left with the woman and the Benz, no wonder you are so "unhappy".....
Join the Honorables group....
"Unequally yoked and miserable"....
Thank you again REMEMBERING...
You are right on time!!!!!
You are so Right Enrique..."the attitude of the Maffeys is "twofold",
Leo is getting ready to fold too and especially the most "arrogant"
legalist and bitter, selfrighteous,
"SERGIO' FROM MORENO VALLEY. THAT ONE "RUN" FOR YOUR LIFE...
WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE ALSO IN THEIR CHILD-HOOD?
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, MARTIN AND PRADO AND AGUILAR. WHAT DID THEY SEE IN THEIR HOMES....HOW WAS THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR SIBBLINGS AND WITH THEIR PARENTS????
WOW!!!!!!
DOUBLE STANDARDS, UNFORGIVING, REVENGEFUL AND DESTROYING SPIRITS.
AND IN "THE CHURCH" (MIND YOU)
AND THEIR SPOUSES ALSO.....
THE MESAS FROM SANTA ANA WERE "IMPOSSIBLE" AND CRUEL, NOW AGUILAR
IS PAYING THE HEAVY DUTY PRICE....
"STUCK FOR LIFE"
WITH EVA AND DANIEL...
God bless you..Remembering and Enrique and Caminando Voy!!!!!
Active_Neutrality
My sources tells me it's true
both Bro. D. Contreras and Sis. Rosie Hernandez passed away.
To: Let me tell you what is next
You are mixing some very good points with some untruths.
I have some very close friends that know the AA and thier families and they tell me that Sam & Rachel were a bit poor when they got married. He had to sell oranges to make it. They did say he has changed. Once he saw an opportunity to get into power he never looked back. He has fought to stay on the General board at all cost. Much of this has been through manipulation in elections and through hiring personnel at the AA headquarters. Notice 90 percent of the HQ employees are members of his church. Has been that way for about 20 years. I heard that the last 4 HQ general managers have been hand picked by him(pulled the wool over everyone's eyes).
Roy Hernandez (Cousin, FOT children's pastor)
Ramon Leal(FOT minister)
Samuel Rojas (FOT minister)
Alex Santos (FOT minister)
They are his spies on anything that is tipping the scale of power.
Samuel was afraid of Daniel Solomon. Daniel Solomon had the respect of the pastors for his rise through the ranks. Solomon was a former district bishop.
Samuel Valerde only had respect from the pastors for his speaking ability. A large block of pastor's never respected him because he never went up through the ranks. Most pastor's in the inferior district have no respect for Valverde, because he shows no repect for them. In 15 years Valverde has only showed up once to a district meeting of pastor's.
Martin Del Campo is another basket case. Hungry for position, position, position.
He could have a little class and turn in the $1800 receipt to the general board for payment.
The AA GB spends $1800 on football or Laker tickets in one day.
They spend $5,000 on a GB & family christmas banquet.
$250,000 on a convention.
...but they give widows $75 a month
...you can't send money directly to a missionary because the AA GB wants your money to go through the HQ. In this manner the HQ can get a piece (A big piece) of your money. Very little gets to the missionaries. As you have heard in General convention and was testified by Abel Aguilar who used that example to lift up more money.
Now that the AWA is having a service over in Southern California, the AA immediately puts on a service so the young people won't attend. The AA knows that if the young people start going to AWA or start fellowshipping with the AWA it is going to be a massive exodus of young people!!
As far as Sergio Maffey. Yea, he is a legalist. He learned from his dad and his mom. Especially his mom. The mom doesnt talk to Richard any more.
Neutral Apostolica
Correction on the address for the wake service
for Bro. David Hernandez Jr.
Greater Emmanuel Apostolic Temple (PAW)
Tonight 1/9/09 at 7 pm
3740 E. Imperial Hwy
Lynwood, CA 90262
Receptionist Position: at HQ
Must be a member of the Apostolic Assembly
• Must be baptized in Jesus Name at least 2 years
• Must be baptized by the Holy Ghost at least 1 year
• Must have the full and unreserved written recommendation by your current pastor
• Must be in good standing with local church
• Work from 8am to 5pm (overtime only if necessary)
• A high school diploma or general education degree (GED) is required, along with three to six months of related experience and/or training, or an equivalent combination of education and experience.
Its easier to get on the general board. All you need is 2 votes.
CAN SOME CONFIRM...
There is a Pastor, last name Urutia, who was recently asked to leave the assembly because his church was growing.. some of the local pastors branded him as a 'sheep stealer' .. and the GB, came down on him and justified his removal/dismissal because he is an Illegal..
If a Pastor does not know how to keep/feed/protect the sheep, they are going to look for someone that will care for them. TEACH/FEED/VISIT.. some pastor's want the salary, but don't want to work in the vineyard..and what is the result.. if he grass is greener on the other side.. do we brand them 'salidos' los cortados..
For too long, and for many years, (and it's sad to say) many brother's have learned to relay on here-say.. and slander to hurt fellow hermanos..
Anyway my original question is.. What is going on with Pastor Urutia. anyone know from his church?
John
Urrutia was kicked out of the Apostolic Assembly. He took many people with him. He is an illegal alien that use to be a gardener.
Someone gave him a bible, told him to shout, so now he thinks he can preach. He was not happy at the church he was going to because he would not submit to the pastor.
He left on very bad terms. He wasn’t asked to leave because his church is growing. He was asked to leave because he is bad news.
Some don't want to work period!
We are down to just a Sunday service. This past Sunday it wasn't even one hour long.
No services at all during the week. We have lost over half of the members, while the Pastor sits and twiddles his thumbs.
but he sure loves going into the bank account for money.
Members tell him about things that need repair in the church, and does nothing. People that have fixxed things have to with their own money. Then he gracefully likes to take credit for it, but according to the Bishop he is a "MAN OF GOD" And with that I guess he can sit on his backside and do nothing with the blessing of the Bishop.
Talk about the grass being greener?
We don't even have grass anymore!
John and Truth for once::
Urritia was "kicked out of the AA?
Really? why????????
Sure, many Pastors are giving up>>>>>
Why not...Sammy is buying fancy cars., on the tithes salary..
Sure Sammy has "fought" tooth and nail" to stay in the HGB...
Why not!!!!
Its gives them PLENTY OF MONEY......
"Double salaries, and no work."
HGB and church salaries...
Sammy knows that as long as he is the HGB, and all the rest, they will have "BIG FOLLOW' UPS OF MEMBERS..
AFTER ALL TO "RUB SHOULDERS WITH THE HONORABLES, HAS "MADE THE DAY " OF THOSE "BROWN NOSERS"
I know many that are with Sanches, that have been deacons in other GB
members...and they (those deacons) even shoe shine, Sanchez's shoes...
They did it before to others GBM, and "really know how to "brown nose."
If Brother Urrutia left...its because Pastor Urrutia, Iam sure would not "dance to the beat of the drum of the HGB!!!!!
The "HONORABLES" do not ""kick out", those that "brown nose"them.. nor do they "kick out" those that "pay big monies."
If Pastors are beginning to "slow down" why not...the "Honorables" are.....
Now Sammy is attending as a full student "Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena,here in California.
Why???Because he is extremely" jealous!!!!! And is very upset because he does not have an accrediated degree.
He was here in National City church for New Years, and "bragged": on "His accomplishments and his Fuller Theological Seminary
attendance.
It will take him at least 10 years to accomplish that extensive degree, and also it will cost him Thousands of dollars. Some what at $85,000.00..
So why should the Pastors not be dismayed.....sammy can but "they can't"...On "double salaries....."the HGB!!!!!
Why don't they "fix that problem" in the Houston Church, that Pastor that has the Church Property in his own name and his spouse?????
Why doesn't the "Honorables" kick him out...Its in letters @apostolic assembly.info???
If Pastor Urrutia was kicked out.
He knew too much and was or is no longer a "patsy"
Good for him....And good for those
that are leaving...
Bishop Baldemar and Bishop Torres, have the "right idea"..
They will have alot of "conventions, conferences, and "Great Apostolic Revivals"..
WATCH THE EXODUS FROM THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY!!!!
IAM SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING!!!
BUT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET "BULLS LOOSE IN A CHINA SHOPPE", THEY WILL CRUSH, DESTROY, AND "KICK OUT ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THEIR WAY.
WAY TO GO SANCHEZ, PAC, PRADO,AGUILAR, PRADO AND SAMMY!!!!!
THAT IS WHAT ALSO HAPPENS WHEN ITS THE 'MACHISMO, INSULT, ABUSE, ARROGRANCE, GREED AND DECEIT AND FRAUD IN ELECTIONS..
AND SO MUCH HATE FOR EACH OTHER AND AA MEMEMBERS.
THE BIBLE STATES""GOD IS LOVE"!!!!!
ALL WILL LEAVE, with Bishop Baldemar......!!!!!!
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"!!!!
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US!!!!
Man, when are we all going to wake up and realize this has all been a dream???
It just keeps getting weirder by the day!!
I saw Tafoya standing behind president Bush the other day trying to catch a pair of shoe's!!! LOL! The problem is that the economy is so bad, people are throwing only one shoe at him!
Valverde started his own ponzi scheme, but lost too much money! So he scammed Pachecho out of a mercedes!!
Wow!!
Praise the lord bloggers
I recently joined an Apostolic church and I feel that we are always under a constant pressure to give or make money.
We pay our tithes and give offering, but on top of that we have quotas, sell food and other fund raisers. I use to go to a non-denominational church and I never felt this kind of pressure. Besides our tithes and offering we never did any fund raisers. I joined the church because I realized I needed to be baptized in the name of Jesus.
After understanding why I need to be baptize in the name of Jesus, I joined the church. I am just having a hard time with all the money requirements.
Can someone offer me some advice because I am tempted to go back to a non-denominational church.
The only ones standing behind the president is the poor GB just when you think that can not get any browner they have manage to become dark Mexican even Sam is starting to look like a real mexican.
lol
Urrutia was kicked out because he is a loser. He is not a pastor. He convinced people to follow him because people follow their senses and not truth. What the church did is separate the wheat from the tares. Watch out for him! He may ask you to drink Kool-aid next.
Now I heard he is trying to join the AWA. Watch out AWA! If you take him, you have abated your integrity.
Dear Lewis,
You need to go to a bible believing/teaching church. The Apostolic Assembly just preaches for “Religious Experience”.
They have no idea how to preach for “Christian maturity”. God saves. Not baptism. Consider the thief on the cross.
Lewis...
Congratulations on your baptism. My advice to you would be to give as your heart directs you to give. Remember that the Lord loves a cheerful giver. Talk directly with your pastor and tell him how you feel, and let him know that you feel in these difficult times, you will be able to help with what you can, when you can. God will see your heart and will richly bless you, I know from experience.
Just keep praising God and don't let money issues discourage you.
My prayers are with you and your family.
God Bless you
Quote:
"It will take him at least 10 years to accomplish that extensive degree, and also it will cost him Thousands of dollars. Some what at $85,000.00.."
Who is flipping the bill for this?
Flor Azul money? That suppose to go to missions.
Just asking.
Sola dei Gloria..
You always advise people to leave the aa, or look for the truth somewhere else based on the beliefs of the aa.
Spiritual maturity will come from within, if you are truly serving the Lord. I've matured immensely from what i've been taught in the aa because i took to heart what was taught through scripture, some common sense and revelation by God on what is right, or wrong, it was my choice to accept the teachings.
I don't agree with all of the beliefs that are taught at the aa, but what church is perfect??
Since you want to send people out to seek salvation, where is it that you want to direct them to??
Give us which organization that you suggest please.
Hi There and Praise the Lord Bloggers!
It saddens me to hear of all the saints that have passed away this week.
But not to worry. Me and brother Prophet Reverend Steven Montenegro, Esq, Republican State Legalslator from Arizona have won over 442 souls for the Lord since the Great Texas Revival in November.
Not all have been baptised yet, but all have said they will accept the Lord! Praise Jesus!
These include mighty and powerful people in governmant that brother Prophet Reverend Steve Montenegro, Esq. has contact with in the high places of society.
The power we have is awesome and mighty. This is the last revival. I hope and pray you all are doing some soul winning for the Lord.
I can't wait for the next annointed convention so I can announce the final number of souls we have one for the Lord.
God Bless The Apostolic Church Assembly!!
Solid Rock
Thank you for your comments.
First. You say you have matured immensely for AA doctrine. How do you gauge that maturity? Is that something you “feel” or did an Apostolic minister tell you that.
My goal is point people to Christ. The only way to do that is to help them develop a high view of the Christ of scripture. I don’t think the AA shares those endeavors.
Any organization that promotes the inspiration, perspicuity, and authority of scripture will be theologically sound.
Concerning Bro. Urrutia,
I don't know the man, and I was asking someone that may have been or was attending his church..
Unfortunately, I don't think Sola goes or has gone to his church, so I will have to respectfully, close my eyes and ears to those types of comments..
About Truth. I do know that situation, and we are praying for you all.. God IS separating the wheat from the tares.. and even if he wasn't, the bible says we are known by our fruits.. the fruit of our lips, the fruit of our hands, and the fruit of our testimony.
I'm a believer of the power of grace.. and by grace we are saved...
John,
Urrutia did go to my church.
He has even been to my house. (To quote a landscaping job)
Ask away!!
Factso..
That's good news, but that is a low daily average of 2,000,000 by 2010.
Does this mean you will reveal your identity when you make this announcement at the next convention?
Its a team effort. We only need a minimum of people evanelizing the world to accomplish our goal. Besides, we are running a super high tech evangelism program.
We blog, we text, we podcast, we webinar, we send emails, we do myspace, we facebook, we do all the high tech things to spread the gospel.
We are the young generation of apostolic prophets. We are done with the antiquity of old schoolers like yourself.
Its the new generation of apostolic prophets that will win the world.
Sola...
No minister will ever be able to tell me how i feel. Regardless of what they might think.
I was raised in church to praise God the way i needed to. I have seen many pastors come and go, and i have only attended two churches in my life, and that is due to the fact that i moved and my current church is closer. But if men are truly guided by God to "pastor", they will not lose their flock.
When a sheepherder has a stray sheep and it keeps wondering away, he will eventually have to break that animals leg, and then have to carry it where ever they go until that animal is "ready to walk around" again. Thus creating a "bond" between them, then the lost "sheep", (us) comes back and gets closer to God. Most certainly that is part of the maturity process.
My maturity has elevated based on my praise and worship, and no one else's
What i am saying is that most aa principles are based on scripture, and some are based on a group of men who interpreted morals on their own beliefs. I can't say that we should completely ignore some of the aa's standards because that could get into a matter of disobedience, however all we have to do is ask ourselves, if what we are doing is pleasing to God?
Maybe one of the problems in the aa is that that don't recognize when they have a pastor problem and don't seek enough of Gods council to rectify all the issues.
I feel the aa is theologically sound because it is based on apostolic doctrine, and scripture based. Perfect, no, but Christ centered.
God Bless
Break a leg??
nah our Pastor just told us to get the flock out.
Solid Rock
I feel the AA is theologically unsound. All they do is “package” their theology. If you were raised in the church, what else can you compare it to. They told you it was the truth and you believed them.
God Bless!
Hey Sola,
You said, "Now I heard he (Urrutia)is trying to join the AWA. Watch out AWA! If you take him, you have abated your integrity."
To late, the AWA abated their integrity when they put Tafoya as a board director!
Sola..
What else is there to compare it to??
My father is the only one saved in his family, my mother has many family members in other religions, so family reunions are a blast. But only God can reveal the truth.
John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth has come, He will guide you into all truth, for He will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
But ok, enough about the aa, for the second time, which organization are you advocating for??
In other words, which one is theologically sound?
How or where do you expect people to find this organization, if you don't provide a name?
God Bless
Factso...
So you want to kick Old schoolers off your team?
We can still wipe the snot off your face before you can even realize it! LOL!
Old schoolers still get on their knees, and have heart to heart, face to face conversations with lost souls.
What is God's web site, e-mail, or text address?? Do you plug into church at starbucks?
Oh wait, psos and they are ltbo! LOL
I was raised in the apostolic church,I agree with SOLA. If you were raised there(aa)you have nothing to compare it with. Thanks be to God.... before I went on a downword spiral with all of the rest of my age youth in the late 90's God kept and helped me see AA is not the only way. Your pretty much in a square box if you were raised AA and that is all you know. When your around a rectagle it tells u (the square) it is from the family of shapes just like you, but because it dosent look like you its not a shape(christian). Do you get me?? I wont go as far as saying AA is unsound they just add a little extra to their bible teachings. As I said before these are all human men and women follow/trust God not man. AA has for some reason limited Gods Love, Grace and heavens gate to the family of AA only. Oh actually at one point when I was about 12ish the UPC was accepted into heavens gate along with the AA's. At the end of each day I know I am A Friend Of God! (and im not even apostolic anymore!)
Sola,
if you know the man, then i stand corrected..
As with all the recent news of late, what with the sacking of pastor's, and losing thousands of dollars in tithes and offerings.. and with all of this aired in the public eye..
I know how some will make others look bad.. or discredit good men and women.
As the high priest answered those that were worried about the rise of believers of his days. If this is of God well, God would handle things and if it was not, well all is eventually revealed.. not a perfect quote.. I really don't feel like pulling out my bible and typing word for word.
I used to visit the church I was baptised in, as a visiting former brother, I was allowed to greet the brethern on few occasions. After a while, I didn't feel welcomed by those pastors, so i would not go to the local church. Truth know what I'm talking about..
There are good men, and there are those that will always be mal-content. Pastor's whose vision is clouded by money, greed, women, and the need for all things earthly. They feel that no one understands them, they rule the roost and when the congregation does not back up that type of attitude, they will preach messages that hurt, and what do they expect. someone to stick around..
If Urrutia is just a gardener that learned to shout out.. well.. those that truely KNOW the voice of their master (Jesus)will find someone that will feed them...
If I'm not being fed, I will hop to another place that will feed me, but mostly, you got to learn to fed yourself, if they don't have church during the week, get your family together and worship.. problem solved..
About time the AA joins the new millineum. Factso, It has only taken you all fifty some odd years to jump on board talk about snail mail. lol
bola de idiotas ignorantes, se molestan de las estupideses que escuchan y miran pero alli estan dando sus diezmos y ofrendas, porque Dios ama al dador alegre. lol
Regarding that guy Urrutia, it sounds like he is telling people that he was forced out of the Assembly because his church grew rather than telling the truth. I am not part of that District but my aunt attends the church that he came from and according to her he caused a split in the church. He then lied and made up rumors and told them to whom ever gave him an idle ear. He is no man of God and my aunt was relieved when the Assembly finally dissociated him. From what I understand he caused dissension in the church and a few left church completely, or rather should I say they left God, because of him. I hear the church has since healed and replenished just as it happened to Job.
mientras sigan con sus floresitas azules y recaudando dinero con sus tamaladas y fritangas, los senores de la gb seguiran comprandose sus benz y banquetitos de los honorables santa mesa directiva(member only). mientras los ermanitos aplauden o tortean la manos mas para que se emocione la gente y caiga la feria.
causa risa pero ese es el retrato de la aa.
TODO EL MOVIMIENTO APOSTOLICO DESDE LOS 1920,S EMPEZO CON EL BUEN DECEO DE FORMAR UNA IGLESIA APOSTOLICA HONORABLE. PERO POR FALTA DE EDUCASION Y ESTUDIO, TODA FUNDACION O ORGANISAZION CAEE POR SU PROPIO PESO.
EN TIJUAN B.C. EL PARIENTE ABUELO DE SAMUEL VALBERDE, EL ENTONCES SR. ANTONIO CONTRERAS FUNDO LA 1A IGLESIA DE TIJUANA (IAFCJ A.R.) MOVIMIENTO QUE TAMBIEN ES UNA LACRA. TAMBIEN FUNDO LA IGLESIA DE SAN ISIDRO , CA. DONDE AHORA TAMBIEN FUE PASTOR EL HIJO SR. DAVID CONTRERAS. Y POR EL PRESENTE EL NIETO DEL SENOR ANTONIO CONTRERAS, PASTOR PEREZ CONTRERAS, ANTONIO, AHORA ES PASTOR.
QUE LA LOGICA, O CONTESTESE USTED, NO CREE QUE ESAS IGLESIAS SON MANIPULADAS POR EL COMPADRISMO O SE CREN MAFIA??? SERA QUE DIOS LES TIENE PREDESTINADO EL LLAMADO CELESTIAL A SIERTAS FAMILIAS EXCLUSIVAS, POR SUPUESTO QUE NO AMIGOS. NO PODEMOS TAPAR EL SOL CON UN SOLO DEDO. ESO SE MUEBE DE ESA MANERA PORQUE LOS SUFRAGADOS SON UNOS IGNORANTES. Y LOS VIVOS SE COMEN AL MAS IDIOTA. EN OTRAS PALABRAS SE TRATA DE SOBREVIVIR ECONOMICAMENTE, PORQUE LA POBREZA APESTA A FUCHIII.
COMO A LEIDO EL EJEMPLO VERDADERO ANTERIOR ASI ES COMO MUCHAS IGLESUCHAS DE LOS TALES MOVIMIENTOS ESTAN ORGANIZADAS Y NIMODO DE NEGAR LA HITORIA, PUES ESTA PRESENTE Y LOS IGNORANTES FILIGREZES SIGUEN ATENDIENDO LAS LOCALIDADES.
YO FUI TAMBIEN APOSTOLICO, PERO AHORA SOY CATOLICO APOSTOLICO ROMANO. YO PARTICIPE COMO MINISTRO,
TUBE LA OPORTUNIDAD DE LLEGAR MUY ARRIBA EN LA GB, PERO PARA SUPUESTAMENTE EXPONER SERMONETES EMOCIONALES SIN FUNDAMENTO Y DE PILON PERDER EL TIEMPO CON GB TAPADOS DONDE NO SABEN NI LO QUE CREEN, MEJOR ME HICE A UN LADO. VALE MAS QUE HAYA UN LOCO Y NO DOS.
Lito your so funny because ne soy the La Preciosa AA lol. Or puedo decir de la assemblia catholica lol.
lehan, LITO si conoce los caminos apostolicos. Conozco todo el famoso LA district el southern cal district y todas sus santos.
Iam a 4th generation AA & IAFCJ
founder in part.
Well it is nice to know your background it really is. Many people could list there backgrounds. The point is what does all that mean. Doesn't the word of God say that we should not store are treasures here on earth instead we store them in heaven.
So that is what I do not understand is why take pride in something that in the end is really not worth all the fuss.
Is being a certain generation going to save us in the end or is God.
The thing is many customs for the AA have a lot of similar Customs from the Catholic church Like per say the veil which began first in the Catholic church.
I am not trying to be mean just honest.
See the AA is fearful of other denominations they are afriad to confront them instead the teach ways of holding other down. The teach You all how to backstab eachother because that is what many people do on here. Maybe even all of them. So if that is what thee AA teachs how to live a false life in front of everyone else then way even believe that way.
It is easy for you all to condem other religons and belief system but you all become offended when we all turn to you all.
IF their is so much ego a church then it really is not a christ cenetered life it is a ego centered life.
I know because two of your believers condemmed me to hell because of the way I believe.
Who gave them the right. Who told them they were God.
See you all confuse anointing for talent.
Did you all die for the souls of men or did God.
lehan, pareses ser una persona culta y usas tu mente que DIOS te dio.
lehan, los moviemientos en los cuales estamos hablando, son movimientos liberales que por lo menos en MEXICO empezaron en los 1920,s. MEXICO sufrio la guerra cristera. Si mexico es 100% catolico en aquel entonces lo era mas. Bajo el presidente plutarco elias calles (mason) y su mando, hizo terribles guerras civiles en y dentro los templos catolicos. Era de matanzas por todo el pais en contra de todo catolico. mientras los catolicos estaban atemorizados los movimientos evangelicos de USA llegaban a evangelizar a personas, hablandoles que jesucristo salva y todo el plan de salvacion, cosa que hasta la fecha lo hace. pero nunca les diero mas explicasion del porque hacen lo hacen. por esa razon usds. se encuentran en donde se encuentran, porque tienen liturgias pobres, sin credo y no saben nada. solamente de politica de division y no de unificasion ecclesiastica.
tocante el velo, la iglesia catolica enforza el ser solemne en el templo, pues es la casa de DIOS. el cubrirse la cabeza (las damas) es de reverensia hacia DIOS. pero la iglesia no va a perder al filigres que vale mucho para DIOS, si se cubre ono se cubre la cabeza. tan sencillo como eso. el tema de taparse o cubrirse la cabesa se puede hacer de legalizmo, le legalizmo es celo humanista y no teologicamente celestial.
if it is that then the AA is going through the same thing. So how do we explain that. If the See My friend if it is okay to call you that. I used to be a fifth generation apostolic.
So I did so all the dealings that went in and out on all levels.
I never figured out why things seem to be so important. People say they love people that sometimes they do not even care for.
I understand what you are trying to tell me but I do not see the importance of being so religious we change the outside by wearing the suit and tie but does that even change the inside.
I do not cause division if I did I could have taken many people with me.
You know what I left. The reason why I left. Is because many in the AA not all but still the majority have one face infront of everyone and are something completely different with in their homes.
No do not get me wrong. Their peace is between GOd and themselves.
So why do many judge other religions.
I have many family in the AA. I never tell them to come with me.
I am fine where I am at.
lehan, para mi personalmente como usd. dicen "the bottom line" , la liturgia de la iglesia catolica me ah ayudado a comprender mas a DIOS. para mi lo solemne y los sacramentos es algo muy importante, pues me someten a tener una conciensia de lo que profeso. DIOS es unico y solamente hay una iglesia verdadera. como conecedores de DIOS somos responsables de nuestras acciones.
The religious (AA) are saying that the pastors and ministers who left the assembly and baptize someone without having the AA credentials is consider to be an invalid baptism.
WHAT?? Does this mean the name of "Jesus" that was invoke over the person who was baptized was not valid? What about those who have been prayed over for healing or deliverance? Do these pastors and ministers have to go back and get the credentials from the AA in order for the baptisms to be valid? What if the AA refuses to give them the credentials because they are not part of their club?
This is as ridiculous as it sounds.
Oh! well the smart ones left so it doesn't matter the work of the Lord goes on with or without the AA credentials afterall doesn't the annointing come from the Lord?
AS A AA MEMBER...EVENTUALLY ALL THE PIECES WILL FALL INTO PLACE.. UNTIL THEN LAUGH @ THE CONFUSION, LIVE 4 THE MOMENT, AND JUST KNOW THAT EVERY THING HAPPENS 4 A REASON...TRUST IN THE LORD....
For all of you that criticise Tafoya,Urrutia, as "traders< and sinners."
Well they have left the AA,GOOD!!!!!!! but we are "stuck with Sanchez, stole the Romeros' children's inheritance, and is now finished having rebuilt
the new house on the same property;
Pacheco and Valverde "cheating" people with house trades and car scams.
And Abel Aguilar, has a "poster" circulating" around the AA with pictures of the "Evangelists" and has Eliseo Sanchez's picture, BROTHER OF DANIEL SANCHEZ...... with the "Evangelists",
ELISEO SANCHEZ.... who in 1960's was arrested for "soliciting" his wife, TO STUDENTS AT THE SAID UNIVERSITY...while Eliseo was the pastor of the church in Houston, Texas...
This IS "worse" that what Tafoya and Urrutia did..... "or isn't it?????
SO THEY DID VERY WRONG....BUT AT LEAST YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM ANYMORE....
BUT YOU SURE DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE 'HONORABLES'!!!!!
So what do we do about that "Sola" and JCin Arizona and "Lito" the new Jesuit convert???
That is what this is all about.
We conform to the "treatment that the "Honorables" give us and JUST BECAUSE THEY GREET US AND 'TALK ' TO US WE FEEL AS WE "HAVE IT MADE".
Who cares about you and me???Care about your brother and sisters that have been "ousted"...
Because they could not tolerate the"fraud" and deceit" on elections.
"YOU RUB MY BACK,,,,I WILL RUB YOUR".
SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH VALVERDE AND PACHECO And aguilar who were never even "ELders" nor Bishops"
And are now in "full control" of the "decisions" made for the "future of the AA"!!!!
They were never qualified with experienced necesary to "be true Christians "overseers".
'ONLY TO THEIR CONVINANCES DO THEY SPEAK TO YOU , MY DEAR BROTHER AND SISTER...
They treat the members, and ministers of the Aposotlic Asssebly as "their property" and work them and the "Dorcas" to the bone, so the "Honorables" can have their OWN bone!!!
"Their cake and eat it too."
MERCEDES BENZ///WOW! ON MEMBERS TITHES!!!!!
And with no decensy, nor scruples!!
Nor fear of the Lord.
EZEKIEL 34:
AND THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME UNTO ME SAYING,
SON OF MAN, PROPHESY AGAINST THE SHEPARDS OF ISRAEL, PROPHESY AND SAY UNTO THEM.....
THUS SAID THE LORD GOD UNTO THE SHEPHERDS;
WOE!!!!!!!!! BE TO THE SHEPHERDS OF ISRAEL THAT DO FEED THEMSELVES!!!!!
SHOULD NOT THE SHEPHERDS FEED THE FLOCKS?
YE EAT THE FAT, AND YE CLOTHE YOU WITH THE WOOL, YE KILL THEM THAT ARE FED; BUT YE FEED NOT THE FLOCK.
THE DISEASED HAVE YE NOT STRENGTHENED,
NEITHER HAVE YE HEALED THAT WHICH WAS SICK, NEITHER HAVE YE BOUND UP THAT WHICH WAS BROKEN,
NEITHER HAVE YE "BROUGHT AGAIN THAT WHICH WAS DRIVEN AWAY.....
NEITHER HAVE YE "SOUGHT" THAT WHICH WAS "LOST";
BUT WITH "FORCE" AND WITH "CRUELTY HAVE YE RULED THEM.!!!!!!!
AND THEY WERE SCATTERED, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SHEPHERD,
AND THEY BECAME "MEAT TO ALL THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD, WHEN THEY WERE SCATTERED!!!!!
MY SHEEP WANDERED THROUGH ALL THE MOUNTAINS,
AND UPON EVERY HIGH HILL, YEA, MY FLOCK WAS SCATTERED UPON 'all the face of the earth" and ; "NONE DID SEARCH OR SEEK AFTER THEM....
THEREFORE YE SHEPERDS ....HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD!!!
"AS I LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
, SAITH THE LORD GOD SURELY BECAUSE MY FLOCK BECAME A "PREY"
AND MY FLOCK BECAME MEAT TO EVERY BEAST OF THE FIELD,
BECAUSE THERE WAS "NO LOVE" NOR SHEPERDS,
NEITHER DID MY SHEPERDS SEARCH FOR MY FLOCK,
BUT THE "SHEPERDS "FED" "THEMSELVES" AND FED NOT MY FLOCK...
THEREFORE, OH SHEPHERDS HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD;;;;;
THUS SAID THE LORD GOD, BEHOLD IAM against the shepherds; and I will "require" MY FLOCK AT 'THEIR HAND"
AND CAUSE THEM TO "CEASE FROM "FEEDING THE "FLOCK" FROM THEIR MOUTH, "THAT THEY MAY NOT BE MEAT FOR THEM.
16- I WILL SEEK THAT WHICH WAS LOST, AND BRING AGAIN THAT WHICH WAS DRIVEN AWAY,
AND WILL BIND UP THAT WHICH WAS BROKEN, AND WILL STRENGTHEN THAT WHICH WAS SICK:
"BUT I WILL DESTROY THE "FAT AND THE "STRONG; I WILL FEED THEM WITH "JUDGEMENT.....!!!!
----------------
THOSE SHEPHERDS ARE YOU, SANCHEZ, PAC, PRADO,..."WHO" TOOK THE CAR AWAY FROM THE RODRIGUEZ CASTORENA WIDOW",
AGUILAR, WHO GAVE BISHOP WILLIE MENDOZA'S CHURCH TO HIS SON..
VALVERDE, WHO SOLD THE "PRINTING EQUIPMENT FROM THE AA, THAT COST YEARS OF RECRUTING FUNDS TO PURCHASE'
AND NOW HAS VALVERDE'S SON'S PRINTING BUSINESS GETS ALL THE "REVENUE" FROM ALL THE PRINTING THAT IS REQUIRED FROM AA MEMBERS....
"DORCAs", 'VARONES' AND MESSENGERS OF PEACE' ETC.....
MAFFEY WHO IS BROTHERR TO RIC HARD AND SERGIO... AND YOU KNOW THE STORY....
TO ARTIE ESPINOSA, WHO HAS LEFT THE EAST PALO ALTO CHURCH'S FUND IN QUESTION.????...
MARTIN DEL CAMPO, WHO BETRAYED THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO, AND WHO CHARGED, THE RODIRUGUEZ CASTORENA FAMILY $1,800.00 FOR THE PROGRAMS THAT WERE DISTRUBUTED TO THOSE ATTENDING THE FUNERAL SERVICE.
AND THE LIKES....
BUT STILL WE DEFEND THEM....
HOW BY PAYING OUR 'TITHIES TO THEM, "FLOR AZUL, MANO A MANO"
AND CHARGING $25.00 FOR THE YOUTH AT CONVENTIONS TO GO TO THEIR OWN SERVICES....
NO MATTER HOW MANY MOP'S ARE IN THE FAMILY....$25.00 PER YOUNG PERSON!!!!
CHARGING, GREAT AMOUNT OF MONIES....FOR "GALA" BANQUETS, ONLY THE PASTORS AND SPOUSES, COULD ATTEND....
BEING THAT ACTUALLY THE MONIES ARE
"DRAWN OUT" OF THE CHURCH MEMBERS, WHO IN REALITY...PAY AND ARE NOT "ALLOWED NOR PERMITTED" TO "EVEN PEEK" IN THE DOOR.......
WOW!!!!!
BUT WE ARE LIKE THE OSTRICH....
WITH THE HEAD INBEDED IN THE SAND BOX"
AND IN DEEP-----DOUBT...
"THEY DO NOT DO IT TO ME SO WHY SHOULD I CARE...."
"IAM SERVING GOD, I DO NOT FEEL THE 'PINCH' THEY DO NOT DO IT TO ME
"YOU ALL SAY" "I PAY MY TITHES TO THE LORD, ..."
"SO I WILL LOOK THE OTHER WAY>'''
AND GIVE SOME MORE..........!!!!
WOW!1
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US!!!!
GOOD NIGHT..
MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES.....
STOPPPPP MAKING EXCUSES....
HITLER WAS ONE OF THE WORLD'S BEST
WORLDLY SPEAKERS...
HE FOOLED THOUSANDS....AND KILLED 'MILLIONS' OF JEWS....
DO NOT LET THE WORDS OF PAC, AND VALVERDE FOOL YOU....
THE BIBLE SAYS'
BY THEIR DEEDS YOU WILL KNOW THEM,
'SHEPHERDS IN WOLVES CLOTHINGS.....
"THE HONORABLES ARE NEXT!!!!!"
"WAKE UP"!!!!!
Here is the poster:
http://www.nationalmissions.org/images/NM-Poster.jpg
First to all my fellow bloggers PTL!
I was reading the comments from the last few days and what surprise did I see?
Well I’m sure that we will all be happy to welcome once again to the blog, our one and only ‘THOUGHT FOR THE DAY” only now he’s going by the name “LET ME TELL YOU WHATS NEXT”
Well it’s been kind of boring in here since you left “Thought for the Day / Let me tell you what’s next”
But I must say that as I was reading your last few post there was one thing missing other than your normal ramblings, but I must ask What happened to the history lessons?
I feel I must ask the question:
1. Why did you change your name that you used to post with?
2. What made you stop posting under “THOUGHT FOR THE DAY “
3. Did you get caught by the GB?
4. Did you get lynched as you would put it?
5. Did you finally decided to get enough courage to lead by example and leave the AA
6. Why aren’t you implying that you’re a what was it again oh yes I remember “an 80 year old pastor for the LA Area
7. What happened to the Revolution
8. Why arent we seeing the mass exodus of Pastors and churches from the AA as you would always post under "thought for the day"
and last but not least
1. Are you still asking everybody to leave but you wont?
It’s good to have you back ‘THOUGHT FOR THE DAY”
ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!
Blogger “LET ME TELL YOU WHATS NEXT is are old friend “THOUGHT FOR THE DAY”
GET READY FOR THE HISTORY LESSONS AGAIN
God Bless!
P.S. I would like to see if you can stick to the truth this time brother “thought for the day / let me tell you what’s next”
If you think this is a joke you better check with your pastor or minister who baptized you and make sure they had their credentials or else your going to need to be baptized again by someone who has the AA credentials according to the organization. Forget about the name of "Jesus" being invoke over us what matters is the AA credentials.
NO! Mary this is not a game I enjoy playing. These are facts!! You want to know the real definition of confusion? Allow me to fill you in on something.
A young lady who was recently baptized by one of the pastors who was outsted from the organization was confronted by a pastor from the AA who tried to CONFUSE her by saying her baptism was not valid because the pastor who baptized her was not recognized as a pastor of the AA anymore so therefore he lost ALL benefits and priviledges when he was outsted from the AA.
Mary, this is the mentallity of the church some of us were raised in. The Lord can't be identified with this way of thinking! God is not a God of confusion.
One last question for you. What about those 3,000 souls the Apostle Peter baptized? Did he have the annointing or the AA credentials to baptize all those people in the name of "Jesus."
It's a no brainer!
TO REMEMBERING.... MY FRIEND WHO LIVES IN CALIF. MOTHER JUST GOT BAPTIZED BY PASTOR ABLE AGUILAR WHO HAS HIS CREDENTIALS...MY FRIENDS MOTHER GOT BAPTIZED WITH HER WEDDING RING ON.. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT....
Mary could that for stand bloody mary lol. Well there is a lot to say about that First it is Abel not Able.
Next that would be okay if they would not go down to other states and say that wearing jewelry is wrong and antibiblical when they are living a double standard life.
Hope that answers youw fake and full of anger question
TO LEHAN... DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT WHAT DID I SAY THAT WAS FAKE & FULL OF ANGER IT WAS A QUESTION WHICH YOU DIDN'T ANSWER YOU JUST ASSUMED IT MEANT SOMETHING ELSE YOU SHOULD STOP TRYING TO TEACH HOW TO SPELL & LEARN HOW TO READ & STOP TRYING TO BE DR.PHIL & READ INTO EVERY QUESTION MAYBE YOUR THE ONE WHO IS FAKE & IS FULL IF ANGER.
mary, no es malo usar anillo cuando alguien se casa en matrimonio. el usar anillo no es pecado. las personas legalistas son personas de un IQ muy bajo. no tienen eduacsion secular ni teologica. retirare de tales denominaciones.
You are absolutely right mary please forgive me I did have to read up higher.
The thing with the ring is the same thing as THOSE $2000.00 suites they where they say wearing the ring is bad because it could be considered venity.
Well for a fact I know they buy expensive suits which would be vain. I know some of my suits and ties never cost more than $100.00 suits and my ties where no more than $30.00 Now I could have bought the thousand Dollar suits and five hundred dollar ties. The only thing is it would be vain to go through all that. Especially when a person where's the Thousand Dollar suites and can not even afford. To Buy them is that not being vain so what is the difference between.
Using the wedding band which is considered vain and wearing the Thousand dollar suits which quote on quote are not vain.
Mary, who spoke anything against wedding rings? I for one have one it's not a big deal. The problem is exactly what lehan stated when the leaders visit other congregations they become Brother Righteous and Sister Righteous that is where the confusion begins. Why not be up front with the people instead of appearing to live by the rules. These folks(church members) take things to heart and come down hard on those who don't live by the rules.
I am not criticizing Bishop Aguilar for what he allows in his church or what he doesn't afterall this body is statying here.
Mary, I believe you missed my point. Did you read the joke I shared with you all regarding the Apostolics thinking they will be the only ones in heaven? I think we will all be suprise to see many of our friends who wore pants, makeup, jewelry show up with more stars in their crown than some of us because of their worship to God and love for others. It's wonderful that Bishop Aguilar does not refuse a soul to be baptized because he or she is not practicing the AA standards. The pastor from the AA I previously mention to you did the opposite when a young woman ask for the baptism. Guess what he refused becasue she was wearing pants therefore he told her to go home and put a skirt on then come back and then he could baptize her.
You know the rest of the story it doesn't take much to figure it out. We didn't see her or her husband again. Her husband got discouraged and never came back. This is my arguement!
TO REMEMBERING.. THANKS 4 YOUR INFO.JUST READ YOU JOKE..LOL
MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE HERNANDEZ FAMILY..
THE FIRST LADY OF F.L.C WILL BE MISSED, SERVICE WILL BE IN CALIF. AT PASTOR ABLE AGUILAR IN SANTA ANA C.T. JAN.14TH 2009 4 HER..
PASTOR DAVID HERNANDEZ FEB.2008
DAVID HERNANDEZ JR. JAN.2009
SISTER ROSY HERNANDEZ JAN.2009
I STILL SAY..EVENTUALLY ALL THE PIECES WILL FALL INTO PLACE..UNTIL THEN LAUGH @ AT YOUR CONFUSION OF THE AA, LIVE 4 THE MOMENT,AND JUST KNOW THAT EVERY THING HAPPENS 4 A REASON IN THE AA..
Remembering and Mary:
When a Pastor becomes a "lame Duck"
as in Politics, it is very "easy to over look" the "traditions" and the doctrine that has been preached for years CONCERNING wedding rings.
Sure we all know, that even Jesus approval of the "ring" as he did on the prodigal son..
But now that Abel Aguilar is a "lame duck", he will tolerate anything.
So does Sammy, after all what their kids have subjected the Legalists fathers to comply with " the "new age", of "their" doctrine.
Abel's daughter is still "full pledged in the AA" and good I say, good for her for "standing up" and over coming...Two marriages, and a third one, and in full pledge communion.!!!!!!..
Great accomplishments...
But now one sister comes along and get baptized with a "wedding ring", or ring.....So what?????
So Abel and Sam, now can practice,
"see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil" against the "fashion theory of the "famous wedding ring."
TODAY, the "wedding ring" "TOMORROW,"
the pierced ears and nose lobe and then the "long chandeliers of dangling "ear rings."
Who cares, what the old timers said, they are all gone to live with the Lord..
So now its "King Salomon theory"
"Vanity, all is Vanity".....
It is not that Abel Aguilar is "conciencious and pious",CONCERNING THE ALLOWING OF THE WEDDING RING IN THE CHURCH...I SEE NO "WRONG" in it,
But It is that he has a "big huge barrel over his head!!!!!!
HIS DAUGHTERS' COURAGEOUS COURAGEOUS OUTBREAK.....
NO 'LIKA' THE HUSBAND, JUST CHANGE... ANY WAY 'DAD' WILL ADVOCATE FOR MMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEE!!!!
And now to change the subject.
ON A SADDER NOTE;;; of apology ...
As good friends that Iam of the David and Rosy Hernandez family.
I have called to give my
expressions of love and prayers, for the Lord to comfort them...
But as friends that they are to me
I wonder...why in the World would they "select" a church in Santa Ana, ruled by one of the "Honarables", who WAS PART OF THOSE THAT discredited their brother's Isaac ministery.,
and so cruely "judged" and searched for anything to "oust" him, from Family Life Center" that his parents David and Rosey Hernandez sacrificed so much to established.....
Abel Aguilar was "one of those in the gestapo" to oust "Willie Mendoza,AND HIS SON WHAT EVER HIS NAME IS...GETS "WILLIE'S MENDOZA EX-CHURCH.....WOW...THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER...IT IS SOOOOOO SAD..
AND ALSO OUSTED BISHOPS ABEL TORRES,Saul Avila, Baldemar Rodriguez, Daniel Salomon, and others...
AND ALSO SAM'S OWN BEST FRIEND, AND VACATION PARTNER, ART TAFOYA,
Now Abel wants to "clear his feelings and "pretend all is well.""
How LOW CAN PEOPLE GET....
READ EZEQUIEL 34 AGAIN....
PLEASE.
Before, the "children" of the "Old Timer" GBM, like Eddie Lopez and Becy and others wanted to "change" wear jewlery, They would "simmply LEAVE...THE AA...
BUT THIS "NEW GENERATION" OF "DOCTRINE CHANGERS" OF THE HONORABLES CHILDREN...ARE LEAVING AND COMING BACK...AS THE PRODIGAL...
GOOD FOR THEM FOR COMING BACK...
BUT WHAT ABOUT "OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN "LITERALLY "KICKED" OUT OF THE CHURCH FOR WEARING JEWELERY AND ALSO "REMARRYING"..
WHAT ABOUT THOSE????????
WHAT ABOUT THOSE????????
So just watch the "changes on doctrinal issues that are already changed...
When people visit Sam's church in Cucamonga, and all the women are decked out with jewlery...If some visiting Evangelist or Pastor asks,
"Who are those women wearing jewlery..."
Sam answers..."THEY ARE SOUL THAT ARE "JUST VISITING" AND CONTINUES TO SAY "PRAY FOR THEM"
THIS MY DEAR BLOGGER BRETHREN, ARE THE "NEW AGE' CHURCH GROWING TACTICS"
'COME AS YOU CARE"
THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE "LOTS OF OFFERING" AND "BIG MEGA DOUBLE SALARIES..
GOD BLESS YOU...REMEMBERING AND MARY.....
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.....
Okay to clearly state to you all many of my post have a sarcastic tone in them. ( am saying Why are they one thing in one congregation and something completely different infront of another congregation and third time different infront of still yet another congregation.
If they have have this quote on quote new age thinking why do they not express it more. Why do they not express it to every congregation just the same.
It is because they feel if the preach the right message they will get a bigger offering.
Politics entered the church a long time ago and that cures will keep on going for many generations.
These same people that talk about us all when we are not around are the same people trying to preach the word of GOd.
Now I will not say that I am not guilty of talking about others behind their backs but I sure do try hard not to.
I am just saying how come we do not act real and really say what we are feeling like many on here have done time and time again.
"Pastor Abel Aguilar's church" OR the church that Abel Aguilar pastors? Cause there is a huge difference, you know, since the churches belong to the AA or rather to general board for them to refinance and sell at will.
Redeemedintheblood...
I believe you're right.
Welcome back thought for the day.
Mary,
Are you certain that Sis Rosie's services will be held at CT? Do you know what time?
I'm asking because i'd like to go pay my respects. Was a member at FLC a long time ago. She was the coolest, sweetest lady ever.
once again, MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SIS. ROSIE HERNANDEZ WILL BE AT 7PM THIS WED THE 14TH AT THE SANTA ANA CHURCH WHERE ABEL AGUILAR PASTORS ! CHRISTIAN TABERNACLE.
Thank you TLC! Oh and say hello to Abel Aguilar if you have a chance, I know him well. He knows me too. We go waaaay back.
On a more important note - My condolences to the Hernandez family. They seem to have had too many losses in the last few months. My prayers are for them.
Question:
Is it true that E. Pacheco never made bishop before being "appointed" to the general board?
Just asking cause I'm recalling that recently I heard Abel Aguilar addressing him as "Bishop". Or was that an appointment also?
I want to stand up today and thank God for all his marvelous works today that have happend up to today.
Please pray for the Hernendez family in the Los Angeles area because the devil is trying to them.
The devil is a liar! Pray that the curse be removed from them. Its a bad battle they are in.
I'll pray that Prophet Reverend Steve Montenegro, Arizona State Republican Legalslator team up with Prophet JeFF Aguilar to remove the devils curse over the Hernandez family.
A great and mighty revival will happen in the Los Angeles area as is happening Arizona, Texas and many other places in the world since the great Texas Revival started this past convention celebration.
Its a great and mighty move of the end times. Its time to win souls for the Lord!
I personally have evangelized over 300,000 souls over the net and in person. May of them have said they would accept the Lord. My goal is to reach over 7,000,000 souls by convention time.
If I do that, then at least 10% should accept the Lord. that would be close to 700,000 souls I personally would have won for the church.
Its the new generation of apostolic prophets that are adding fishes who are doing the fishing for the church. I am a fisher of men. I am of the Lord. I am important to the church.
God Bless the Apostolic Movement and our Bishops!
Hey Prophet Factso, is E. Pacheco a legitimate Bishop?
Please brothers, its factsonly1, please be courteous and address me by that or by Brother Agustine.
Yes, Bishop Pacheco is a legalimate bishop. Its only obvious, he's on the board of directors.
You have said very bad things about him. Why don't you do something different and say something good about him. Afterall, he's Gods chosen.
You may not agree, but it remains.
I have to run, I have to complete my tasks and get home to continue my evangelising over the net....
Factso.....
You so funny!!!!!!
Did you walk across the pacific today also?? Be careful when you hit reply to all cause when the general board finds out you are "saving" more souls than they are, they might want to hang you on a tree also!!!! LOL!
First to all my fellow bloggers PTL!
I was reading the comments from the last few days and what surprise did I see?
Well I’m sure that we will all be happy to welcome once again to the blog, our one and only ‘THOUGHT FOR THE DAY” only now he’s going by the name “LET ME TELL YOU WHATS NEXT”
Well it’s been kind of boring in here since you left “Thought for the Day / Let me tell you what’s next”
But I must say that as I was reading your last few post there was one thing missing other than your normal ramblings, but I must ask What happened to the history lessons?
I feel I must ask the question:
1. Why did you change your name that you use to post?
2. What made you stop posting under “THOUGHT FOR THE DAY “
3. Did you get caught by GB?
4. Did you get lynched as you would put it?
5. Did you finally decided to get enough courage to lead by example and leave the AA
6. Why aren’t you implying that you’re a what was it again oh yes I remember “an 80 year old pastor for the LA Area
OR
1. Are you still asking everybody to leave but wont?
It’s good to have you back ‘THOUGHT FOR THE DAY”
ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!
Blogger “LET ME TELL YOU WHATS NEXT is are old friend “THOUGHT FOR THE DAY”
GET READY FOR THE HISTORY LESSONS AGAIN
God Bless!
P.S. I would like to see if you can stick to the truth this time brother “thought for the day / let me tell you what’s next”
Is Factsonly1 for real? Sounds like Jim Jones the second. My bad that I even respone.
To FACTSONLY 1
My brother Praise the Lord, I’ve been reading your post about your great evangelistic movement that you so called to be apart of, but I feel I must ask you the following questions:
1. You say you’ve personally reached over 300,000 people, how can you prove this, do you personally have the contact information for each of these people
2. How can you confirm that all these people have confessed Jesus as their Savior
3. You write saying that you wish to have reached 700,000 by the convention.
Are you aware of the fact that the AA is not going to have a convention in 2009?
4. You keep referring to the Bro. Montenegro as a Prophet.
If he’s the prophet what does this make you?
Correct me if I’m wrong but the bible does not mention prophets in the New Covenant, perhaps this is why Jesus came to die on the cross, to fulfill what the prophets had foretold.
If I’m correct, the work of the prophet was to give a specific message for a specific people. What new message does Bro. Montenegro have that the Bible has not already declared?
Now if you are talking about the gift of prophecy that’s a different matter in itself.
Please feel free to respond if you wish my brother and God Bless!
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