Wednesday, July 15, 2009

ABSOLUT APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY

Attention: Apostolic General Board ( I know you read this)

If you are disgusted at this blog, don’t be surprised. This is the type of Christian you have produced. You may have begun in the spirit, but you ended up in the flesh. I don’t care how many times you invoke the name of Jesus for your cause, your efforts are futile.

I hope you are proud at what you have created, a bunch of emotional misfits that could not exegete their way out of a paper bag. The only thing you have going for you are the remaining immigrants that could not think for themselves. This also will end. The influx of immigrants that you used to support your monetary gain has decreased. All you are is an organization without life, doctrine and truth.

You should have been more careful. You should have focused more on Christ, than your Assembly. Don’t try using Jesus for your cause now. We have seen that scheme and are aware of its motives.

You have become like Judas and become only aware of the “places” that Christ went but were unfamiliar with His “person”. You may have used the term “ Apostolic” but you were distant from its genuine message.

Don’t be surprised General Board.

You are reaping what you have sown.

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Henry said...

lol..so.true

in the know said...

lol - this is awesome -

It is what it is!

Pastor/Minister/Keeper of the Word

called2proclaim said...

lol..
APOSTASY ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN THE DEVIL, INC.


APOSTASY ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN THE DEVIL, INC.


APOSTASY ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN THE DEVIL, INC.


APOSTASY ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN THE DEVIL, INC.

(APOSTASY ASSEMBLY)

sola dei gloria said...

Dear Mr. Leybas,

Thank you for properly citing my quote. I would like you to let everyone know that the photograph is not mine and that I would like the photograph to be viewed separate from the message.

Thank you.

just said...

Hahaha!

Sola Dei Gloria, the Picture and your message go hand-n-hand!

The Picture is merely and expression of your message!

I think they complement each other!

sola dei gloria said...

I prefer to express my ideas in words and not images.

Words speak to the "intellect", while images speak to the "senses".

just said...

And Jesus is the express imgage of the Word!

sola dei gloria said...

Yes, nice one!

But "observing" Jesus is not going to do anyone any good. A person must be able to gain "understanding" (mental property).

Which is why we are in this mess.

what is going to happen next said...

Sola de Gloria:

WOW!!!! Great job! These men are the biggest JOKE in the AA.

just said...

Understanding can only be given by God alone.I will as far as to say that these men in the GB are not of God.

They worship with their lips, but their hearts are so far away.

what is going to happen next said...

Raquel: Is it true that Sam is sending out letters to some pastors to TELL them a loan will be taken out using their church property as collateral for loans for the GB? The sad thing about all this is they're not even asking the pastors!

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just said...

“By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. BUT IF ANYONE HAS THE WORLD’S GOODS AND SEES HIS BROTHER IN NEED, YET CLOSES HIS HEART AGAINST HIM, HOW DOES GOD’S LOVE ABIDE IN HIM? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.” – 1 John 3:16-18

Victor Prado,

The 1st church of Albuquerque, who worked so hard under you to stay up float, who pledged beyond their means, in addition tithed and gave up offerings, and so much sacrifice under your pastorship is now without a place of worship, to gather in fellowship.

You are on the board; you know they are without funds by which the GB which you are a part of took from them. You sheared their wool, and left them out in the cold.

Do what is right! Do what is according to the Word!

I therefore ask you since you have remained silent for so long:

“But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?”

victor said...

The Führer of the Apostolic Assembly has shut us all up. Perhaps after November 2010 I can speak. I must protect myself.

just said...

I know you are not V Prado, and if you were, you have loved your position and fear the GB more than God.

Victor Prado,

“if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?”

The 1st church is in need, sending them over to join the 2nd church is an act of a father with his unwanted child!

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krossroads said...

Praise the Lord, Saints. All I can say about what has been happening in the AA is this...when Jesus walked into the temple and cleansed it and said..."my house shall be called a house of PRAYER, but you have turned it into a den of thieves." The AA has turned this into big business, while some of these pastors are living better off then some of the members that are in need. Driving their new cars, living in their new house, wearing their nice suits. I wonder if they would be doing this if they didn't get paid. Doesn't the WORD say freely give what you have freely received? Then I see the other side of the coin, where some pastors need to get jobs to help sustain their family and the AA doesn't even send them a love offering when they are in need they need to fend for themselves. I am not saying that a servant is worthy of his meat, but some of these pastor, GB members over do it. These pastors get paid it's their salary, so it boggles my mind when they start collecting an offering for the Pastors to make it to convention and things like that you guys know what I mean. I wish next time I had a trip planned they would collect an offering for me. They are just taking advantage of a system that has been set up "Money in the Bank", "Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money". And I say that in Love.

just said...

AAnonsense,

What they did was wrong if true.

But what is known and can be done is what I am imploring that V Prado do.

Please do not distract what can be done with bring up the failures of the past.


Victor or GB members that read this blog,

Do not leave the brethren out in the cold or shove them off to someone else’s church to combine too. Do what is right! Do what is in accordance to the Word!

“By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. BUT IF ANYONE HAS THE WORLD’S GOODS AND SEES HIS BROTHER IN NEED, YET CLOSES HIS HEART AGAINST HIM, HOW DOES GOD’S LOVE ABIDE IN HIM? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.” – 1 John 3:16-18

rudyf said...

...I wasn't shocked when I first
heard about the election irregularities a while back, I
suspected that long before due
to the character of all of the general board members which I knew


...This is what i believe happened
now that I analyze the whole thing
please dont get angry at me I wasn't the one who cheated in the elections

...When the GB members found out that their unholy election scheme
had been uncovered by ANOTHER
Apostolic Minister they had to make their move

...If they confessed they would all have to step down from the GB
and that would be the embarassing end to their up and coming
ministry

...I suspect that they all came together at a meeting or by phone
and decided to stand their ground
at ALL COSTS, they knew that it was either THEM or the accusers
who would have to be OUT of the picture, they decided to defend
their lies and thus began the
witch hunt of kicking out all
these ministers that had fingered them as cheaters

...Could you imaging these GB members giving up peacefully their positions, some of these
men waited years to get to the positions in the church to do
their thing and they weren't about
to give up such privilidged positions

...I wont name specific names but i know the truth and so does GOD
I am not the son of a prophet or a
prophet but if I was I would have to repeat the words given by
the Prophet to King David, you are that man ( who hath done evil
in the sight of the LORD )


...Because of the GB actions the assembly has been split in half
and the full ramnifications of
the GB's actions in defending a lie have yet to fully manifest
themselves, ALL of the present
GB members are complicit in
undoing the Apostolic Assembly
now they are caught creating other lies to cover the original lie, sounds familiar ???

Ed said...

could someone please post one of those letters here on the blog>?

just said...

“By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. BUT IF ANYONE HAS THE WORLD’S GOODS AND SEES HIS BROTHER IN NEED, YET CLOSES HIS HEART AGAINST HIM, HOW DOES GOD’S LOVE ABIDE IN HIM? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.” – 1 John 3:16-18

Victor Prado,

The 1st church of Albuquerque, who worked so hard under you to stay up float, who pledged beyond their means, in addition tithed and gave up offerings, and so much sacrifice under your pastorship is now without a place of worship, to gather in fellowship.

You are on the board; you know they are without funds by which the GB which you are a part of took from them. You sheared their wool, and left them out in the cold.

Do what is right! Do what is according to the Word!

I therefore ask you since you have remained silent for so long:

“But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?”

caminando_voy said...

I really think you folks from Albuquerque who are being left without a church should march yourselves to the AA headquarters with publicity and all and demand to be heard. And if they don't show up then go to their homes and if they won't see you go their churches on a Sunday and GET UP AND BE HEARD!

Just how long is everyone going to put up with this atrocities.

I repeat people IF YOU OWE YOUR CHURCHES AND THEY ARE UNDER THE AA'S NAME !QUIT PAYING THE MORTGAGE! LET THE AA PAY IT! THEY SAID IT - THE CHURCHES BELONG TO THEM.

caminando_voy said...

SPREAD THE WORD! TELL THE WORLD ABOUT IT!

caminando_voy said...

Hey raquel, are you out there? Any more info you can give us?

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Johnnie Cochran said...

Hey Skotty,
Shoot me an email. I have an idea for your next video.

jcochran238@gmail.com

JC

caminando_voy said...

AAnonsense you are right it is probably best to leave, especially if you have had your church sold out from under you, believe me I know how you feel. But there is life after the AA and much better.

HOWEVER DO NOT FORGET AND DO NOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK SO EASILY. WE MUST CONTINUE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE STILL NOT AWARE OF THIS SITUATION THAT HAS HURT SO MANY. WE MUST CONTINUE TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO EFFECT A CHANGE IN ANY WAY THAT IS IN OUR CAPACITY. WE MUST NOT FORGET WHAT THESE UNETHICAL, DECEITFUL, POWER HUNGRY, MONEY HUNGRY MEN WHO CURRENTLY HAVE THE REIGNS OF THE AA NEED TO BE BROUGHT DOWN.

WE MUST NEVER FORGET!

Apostolico_4Life said...

Bring back the good old days when the only sins in the church were fornication and adultery.

Now we have fraud, corruption, lying, embezzlement, idol worship(money), so on and so forth.

Sanchito has got to the All Time WORST President in the History of the Church!

It doesn't faire any better for Scamuel Malverde either!

Apostolico_4Life said...

The its one thing to fornicate with a woman or to even commit adultery with a married woman, but its another to fornicate with a fist full of dollars like Sancez, Valeverde, Prado and company have.

They have taken God's Bride and passed her around like a $2 dollar whore.

All for the love of money. In the end it would have been better for Scam Malverde, Edwierdo Pachueco, Daniel Scamchez to have to commit adultery.

None of these men have any good character references. They have pillaged Gods people, raped them, took them for what they could get and even to act so negligently that people have died.

For what?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

lito said...

hola hermanitos mios les habla "LITO", espero se acurden de mi.

lito said...

como yo se los habia comentado anteriormente, y para ser mas especifico en noviembre del 2008, el gov.(IRS) USA sigue investigando las iglesitas y organizasiones fraudalentas y estafadoras de filigreces. Como la mayoria de sus jerarcas escasean de EDUCASION SECULAR, todavia siguen de tercos tratando de hacerce ricos con toda la paisanada ignorante. Segun ellos "tienen la teologia de la unisidad".

El tiempo sigue su curso y no se detiene. Las leyes van a cambiar, pues la SOCIEDAD en la que vivimos esta CAMBIANDO rapidamente. Recuerden que en la Suprema corte de Justicia esta por ingresar Sra. Jues Sotomayor. Quiza ella si entiende como aplicar las leyes con vara fuerte a organizaciones religiozas fraudulentas. REMEMBER EVERY BODY "MUST" BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACCTIONS" before you go to heaven? Please.... don,t get emosional de que Cristo ya biene, o que es una grande prueba. YOU MUST GET THE BULL BY THE HORNS. AND BE ANSWER FOR IT.

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lito said...

Un ex pastor de California me comentaba que trabajo en "AA" por varios anos y la "mierdita" de ayuda($$) que le dan, ya no se la quieren dar pues ya no tienen fondos para suplir las mensualidades.

Es de imaginarce que tipo de organisazion manejan los tipos estos.

caminando_voy said...

AAnonsense -

Speak up, speak out, SHOUT IF YOU HAVE TO!

For if we all give up we will for sure not be heard and that is what the general board wants, they want us to give it up so they can sweep it all under the rug.

If you approach someone from the media and they won't listen, try again the next day, and the next, and the next. Wear them out until they listen.

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jita said...

AAnonsense,

You seem to know alot of what goes on at the First Church of Albuquerque, are you a member of that church?

USMC said...

LOL media? Oh great. I know for a fact all of you don't have the balls to put your names to anything because you are too scared and too womanly to do it.

you all hide behind your psuedo identities. you talk justice for the hermanos, but are to scared of putting your names to anything.

What are you going to do? call ABC and say its "In The Know" calling? Or send a letter signed
"Calledtoproclaim"?

lol you made me pee in my pants! you viejas are funny!

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jita said...

lol, hahaha
It would be like you, and like you put it with no balls signing on as USMC.

Now you made me pee in my pants!

jita said...

AAnonsense,

You never answered me.

Are you part of the First church of Albuquerque?

lito said...

En referencia a todos los que usan los COMENTARIOS.

Sin hacer detalle de uno u otro en particular, este BLOG no es para comentarios que tengan "BALLS", (HUEVOS), simplemente es de imaginarce que el 95% de los comentadistas tienen una relacion DIRECTA o INDIRECTA con el "AA" O "IAFCJ a.r. y simplemente "people vent" their fillings, after all it is an EmOtIoNaL sect.

TheyAreInForIt said...

TRUE AANonsense

Friends like you, who needs enemies. I know you are not a member of the first church but have relatives.

I recall the words of you telling Pastor Duran that you were sorry. Seems like you are a double minded man, bitter and a chicken shit.

I know who you are, i am getting warmer.

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AAnonsense said...

Jita,

Sorry I did not respond earlier, I was at work. The answer is yes, I still attend the first church but I will be moving on.

Theyareinforit:

I am a still member.

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don't know said...

They don't care. Only thing they do care about is the MONEY, and how to get from you and me.
I can't believe they would stoop as low as to sell some churches for their own personal gain. Or
refinance some and leave the members with the stuck paying the loan, just so they can keep living it up to their standards they have grown to love.
When God comes down on these vultures, he going to come down hard on them. I would hate to be in their shoes. That goes for the wives too, especially Rachel.

TheyAreInForIt said...

AANonsense.

I thought u were from southern New Mexico. Hmm. I guess ur a liar afterall. Seem ur a son of a devil. Father of lies.......

Comon, if you are a member then why are u blogging. Did you confront Pastor Duran on these issues or Victor Prado???

be a man of the word,

TheyAreInForIt said...

AANonsense:

What was Pastor Rueda's sermon about last week?

I was there, i know what the sermon was about. Give me the title or scripture or did your daddy tell you what it was about.

if in fact you are a member and planning on leaving.

apostolic PASTOR! said...

dear blog master, how could you sir!
post the comment of this bitter degenerate sister, who has a back slidden hart!
this "sola de gloria is only out to distroy our most glorious Assembly!
we must stand by the men of God who are place by the Lord.
if you going to post comments post some worth reading!
the likes of "thought for the day"
"let me tell you whats next"
and "it sure did"
these are influential men in our Assembly who are for the people and by the people.
if need be I can write articles for you.
i have my theology degree (phd.) from our best colleges


con mucha PAZ DE CRISTO!
PASTOR APOSTOLICO!

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The Truth For Once said...

Why don't you enlighten us and write some articles.
I also have a PHD, but unfortunately from the school of hard knocks.
You sound like one of those that walks around with your nose up in the air, and demand respect because of your title.
"Men of God"
Tell me sir with all your PHD credentials.
What does that make us?
Men Of __________
Fill in the blank for me sir, and enlighten us with your superior intellect.

apostolic PASTOR! said...

truth for once? you need truth for once!
i can detect your bad spirit, i sujest a trip to the alter.
i will not waste any more precious time on you! good night!

apostolic PASTOR! said...

Not a man of God! thats for sure!
do your self a favor and change your name or get some truth for once, ok kid.

post note.
repent and return to the Apostolic truth! the Assembly!

PASTOR APOSTOLICO

The Truth For Once said...

So in other words.
If I scammed my brothers.
Kicked out Pastors from the AA.
Rigged an election.
and who else knows what the GB do.

Refinance churches and leave the members hanging.
Take away churches from people who have worked really hard so they can end up in the street, and all they worked for now belongs to the GB.

Would you consider me a Man Of God then?

apostolic PASTOR! said...

young sister, your argument holds no water.

the court ruled in favor of the church, because if God be for us who can be against us?

you have no prove of these false allegations.

and even if they are true, you liberals aways clame "Salvation by Grace" well God had "Grace and Mercy" on His annointed.

we are not perfect, and its not easy pastoring rebles like you.

but God is Good to us all, so stop trying to hurt Gods Glorious Assembly, because the gates of hell shall not privail against it.

apostolic PASTOR! said...

also No pastor or church member was kicked out! that is a lie from hell!

their minister credentials were stripped away, meaning they were no longer ministers in the eyes of God.

they were to sit down and be sheep again and learn to be faithful

this was their punishment for their treason!

they were more then welcome to be regular members.

they chose to leave and the rebles who left, left by their own free will.

because they chose to follow man and not Gods Glorious Assembly!

The Truth For Once said...

What about Edward Pacheco's car scam. You going to deny that too?
Ask Henry about one. I believe his parents fell to Eddie's scam.

apostolic PASTOR! said...

God had "Mercy" on him, just ask bishop president BR.

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TheyAreInForIt said...

APOSTOLIC PASTOR.

GET a life.

you among many other Condemning Apostolics will soon find out when you are in HELL that all those people you condemn are not with you but in heaven.

You dont know the truth about what is happening. The Assembly won the lawsuit because of an antiquated Constitution that references in similarity to the Roman Catholic Church.

You are dense and stupid to believe that the GOd was on the Apostolic Assembly side. God cannot side with injustice or hypocrisy.

PhD? Did you get it from Colegio Biblico Apostolico Nacional? what a joke. An UNACCREDITED man made, improper English module of a curriculum.

Get a life, Get a real college degree.

Believe me u better repent cause it is going to be HOT in HELL!

TheyAreInForIt said...

APOSTOLIC PASTOR...with a PhD?

learn to use spell check....before you send blogs....your highly educated.....oh my bad....you graduated from CBAN.

ANYHOW.....press tools on the menu button and press spelling check and grammar......guess what?????

When you do that you won't look like such a DUMBASS!

lito said...

Todos los PHD's teologicos liberales que los supuestamente pastores tienen no tienen valor.


Los phd's los reciven de ecuelas liberales y teologias muy liberales.
sus principios son "masonicos".

la supuestamente teologia que argumentan y defienden esta sin fundamento pues esta adulterada y con division de protestante. En otras palabras sus teologias estan fuera del principio "APOSTOLICO FUNDAMENTAL" el cual pertenece al la unica SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA.

Hay que recordar que tales movimientos son protestantes y protestan conta la SANTA IGLESIA que JESUCRISTO fundo con el APOSTOL PEDRO. El simple hecho de ser protestante, significa "REBELDIA" en contra de los fundamentos establesidos por JESUCRISTO.

lito said...

Desafortunadamente todos los peleles protestantes que pretende obtener sus PHD"s y doctorados estan en el olvido, como si nunca existieron.

Donde estan los prominentes pensadores del "AA" y "IAFCJ A.R." como GAXIOLA ? BALDEMAR ? los PACHECO'S (THE OLD ONES),Y MUCHOS MAS. TODOS ELLOS CUANDO EXPONIAN SUS PREDICAS PARECIA QUE CONQUISTABAN AL MUNDO, PERO AHORA ANDAN MENDINGANDO EL PAN COTIDIANO. QUIZA UNOS 10 ANOS MAS Y NADIE SE ACORDARA DE ELLOS.

RECUERDEN QUE NO SOLAMENTE ES DECIR Y PRETENDER DE LO QUE SE PROFESA, SINO TENER CONOCIMIENTO Y RESPALDO FUNDAMENTAL (DE FUNDAMENTO) LO QUE SE PRETENDE PROFESAR.

caminando_voy said...

apostolicpastor regarding your comment:

"we must stand by the men of God who are place by the Lord."

These so called men of God were NOT placed by the Lord, THEY WERE PLACED BY THE GRAND TOTAL OF TWO VOTES! In case you don't know or care to remember it happened at the 2006 Convention in Long Beach WHICH IS WHAT CREATED THIS WHOLE MESS BECAUSE THEY WERE FOUND OUT!

don't know said...

No wonder the AA is in all this mess.
First the dishonorable general board now idiots like apostolic PASTOR.

TheyAreInForIt said...

i concur don't know. what idiots.

apostolicPastor said...

my name is former bishop Fortino and I got and bot my phd degree online from south america.

what is going to happen next said...

Apostolic Pastor or as you say Fortino. Shame, shame,shame on you!! Weren't you sooooo upset after the elections of 2006 because you were disqualified by your so called friends? All of sudden no one heard from you again. I wonder why? Don't tell me you are preparing to run against Sam Valverde for president next year. What will the pastors think of you now after someone else did the dirty job for you? No dignity whatsoever!

gunter said...

Gunter back online sorry been a little busy. So AA Pastor you must be as ignorant as you sound.

If you believe that mess well then you will pretty much believe anything you hear.

You must be they were kicked out by the AA GodFather(Sanchez) he all but wanted to kill these men which knowing him I am sure the thought crossed his mind.

He reminds me of the Mafiosos of Italy do what they tell you or they will kill you just like the
AA do what we say or we will strip away your license lol. To them they may have felt like they were killing this Pastors But just as always God steps through.

The AA is the biggest load of lies I have ever seen.

So sorry you wannabe Pastor hope you all can handle the plate you and your so called Don's have brought upon yourselves.

My friend once told Sanchez that he was going down on the record as being the only president to pull down the aa.

Now he sure has lived up to what my friend said.

jita said...

AAnonsense,

On March 31, 2009 @2:36 Seeker challenged you and indicated the following:

“Under this condition and you must agree. That if I do reveal myself you will reveal who you are and your current city and state.

If you don’t then you will drop the twisted accusations and quiet drilling Floyd.”


AAnonsense, this is your replied on March 31, 2009 @ 2:37
“Seeker: I accepted your challenge. The condition is that you reveal yourself first!”

After Seeker revealed himself,You said your name was Alfred, lived in Southern NM, and you were willing meet him half way in TorC, New Mexico. These post are under the “Busted” section of the Apostolic News blog: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=2079964254764494928&blogID=1625819510740945556&isPopup=false&page=13

It seems that his suspicions were true that you both lived in the same city. You are truly Chicken Shit!

You were confronted and you hid with lies!

Bryan said...

Apostolic Pastor

It is the blind stupidity of Pastors like yourself that have caused your "glorious assembly" to fall into the hands of idolaters and thieves.

You are completely right, the courts did rule in favor of the aa (Not AA), as its constitution is full of holes, and looks more like a Kindergarten code of conduct that a valid anointed document.

However, the court of Christ is much higher than the courts of man. The courts of Christ have repeatedly found the gb (Not GB), guilty of stealing, lying, and backbiting. Then with the election dispute, they now have been found guilty of dividing the brethren, and self righteousness.

These laws are not upheld by the courts of man. But soon, and I believe we both would believe very soon, men of all backgrounds will find themselves standing in front of the throne of judgment by the courts of Christ. It is at this time, God will once again reveal his disapproval for the gb's actions.

So if this is what is considered a Man of God, then I want NOTHING to do with your God. Rather I will follow the God who wrote words like, "Blessed are the meek...", and "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness...". I also prefer the God who sites, the Law of Love. Which asks us to prefer our brothers as opposed to our selves.

So ApostolicPastor, please do us all a favor and back off. Us young fully educated guys, are ready to pounce on the unjust and ungodly. Go back to the Bible, which is where I found those quotes, and study the comparisons between your "glorious assembly", and the church Christ purposed us to proclaim.

This is why I dont really care to be sited as "Apostolic". It seems most of the "Apostolic" men who come to the front, are pompous, self righteous, egotistical, self centered, braggarts, who like the fame, but hate the work. Men who force standards and legalism, but forget about the Gift of the Spirit called LOVE. They beat the sheep any time they can, and push non doctrinal laws upon people seeking Christ.

So just to set the record straight, don't call me Apostolic, call me a Christian.

And by the way, we ARE saved by grace. (Acts 15:11).

called2proclaim said...

Bryan:
Good words but let me correct u ur a DISCIPLE a follower of the living God..Jesus.

Bryan said...

Forgive me but I'd rather be recognized as a Christian, not a Disciple. The title Disciple doesnt provide an explanation of who you are discipled by. The Title Christian says you are a follower of the Christ.

Although the term Disciple does have a great context, it leaves too much to the imagination and up for interpretation.

Case in point...

The gb. I would absolutely call these men Disciples. They are earnest followers. Steadfast worshipers. Passionate believers. However, they are Disciples of Deceit. Earnest followers of money. Steadfast worshipers of power. Passionate believers in the power of man, rather than God.

See how the title Disciple can be twisted. Even the titles Bishop and Pastor have the ability to be contorted to whatever you'd like. It apparently has.

Hope that helps clear up my point.

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trophyman said...

The picture of the Pansones in the bottle sure looks like a Subway commercial! LOL!!! With non other than Sancheez leading the way. Five dollar! Five dollar! Foot Long!! What idiots!!!

What is going on said...

AAnonsense,
Please do not be distracted by the other bloggers who seem upset by your questions. For some reason what you asked ruffled jita's panties so much that she's not talking like a dorca should.It makes me think you are on to something. Prado---Please answer the questions. If you are innocent then whats the worry. If it is true that Duron left the Assembly, then he probly don't even keep up with the blog anymore anyway.

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Ed said...

their minister credentials were stripped away, meaning they were no longer ministers in the eyes of God."

WOw Cult like mentality that your calling from God Comes from the mesa directiva of the asamblea..

ROME said...

ED,

They utilize that power over individuals to get their way.

They want them to kiss up to them so that they can set them aside and they love to have that power over people.

However when a Man is truly called from God it does not matter if a Man opposes you and refuses to set you aside.

God will use you and open the doors if you are truly called.

I know first hand, because it happened to me.

My Pastor would not set me aside and refused to acknowledge tha call on my life.

But Men of God continued to prophecy over me that I was called.

It wasnt until I left his Church that God began to use me and today I am a Minister of The Gospel.

justice_will_prevail said...

to nolookingback...
isn't bethel temple the same place that daniel sanchez pastored there in tucson, az? what happened there now with raymond rodriguez?

Encuentro said...

La asamblea apostolica esta en estado de muerto porque sige con fraude. La iglesia apostolica se necesita hacer los encuentros para segir adelante.

Encuentro said...

Programa de los encuentros si, sistema de fraude no.

factsonly1 said...

We are praying along with my fellow prophets for the cleansing of the holy church. We are praying with out seasoning. We are uplifting our holy leaders to a new dimension of the manifestation of the revelation.

A cleansening of the unfruitful bitter members of the church to return to the father of lies, saten.

We lift today, our church to a newer and higher dimension where no other church has gone before.

New, younger prophets are rising up! Its the new generation of modern apostolic prophets that are leading a new movement of the spirit. New manifestations are here. We can smell the victory over saten.

Pray you sinners and backsliders to the father, supplicate to his mother Mary, to plead for your forgiveness of your sins again the lords annointed leadership.

May the graces of the father be unto you today. MMay you walk in the wisdom of his blessed mother, Mary.

caminando_voy said...

Are we supposed to be doing the "Ave Maria" now?

caminando_voy said...

Ummm, never mind. I hadn't noticed that it was factso back with his little silly and ridiculous comments.

josh said...

Factsonly1:

Ur looking for www.catholicks4justice.newsblogspot.com

Lol!! talkabout "when catholics go wrong!!"

no manches lol!

factsonly1 said...

To deny the blessed mother of Jesus, is to deny Jesus himself. If you deny the mother, then you deny the son.

To deny both, is to deny the divine plan of the father.

booyaaz said...

To deny the blessed mother of Jesus, is to deny Jesus himself. If you deny the mother, then you deny the son.

To deny both, is to deny the divine plan of the father.

Factsonly1 Chapter 1 vs. 2

GOD IS JUSTICE said...

Praise the Lord so I just wana share some info hahahaha that I just heard from the North West Texas District LOL so you know how brother Bracamontes is the Pastor for the Midlnad Church! well so everyone around the district its pretty darn upset with hiim becuase he is stealing sheep from other congragations hahahaha donde estan los que decian que La Iglesia de Midland iva a progresar hahahaha ummmm robando ovejas de otras iglesias no es la solucion y que de las personas ke se estan llendo al infierno por ke el hermano bracamontes no se preoocupo por evangelizar sin RObar ovejas de otros pastores nombre ke tristesa deveras y mientras tanto la Iglesia del Pastor Torres seguimos adelante sirviendole de todo corazon! Dios nos a Bendecido a nosotros y es tiempo de Bendecir a los demas

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Ed said...

um that pastor sounds like he missed the whole message of salvation for that of having a full church with a bunch of santified saints who would let the world burn in hell as long as i have my 200 members, my title as elder and and my 2 week vacations in maui. O yea and cant forget having a great choir so i can show off to the other pastors of how great i am.

apostolic PASTOR! said...

so sorry that I have not been able to comment.....

some one wrote that I am bro.fortino, and the answer is no. not true.

I would like to say that some of you are very bitter people, you need to make peace in your heart and repent. yes God was and is on our side that is why the Assembly won the court war!

our constitution was written by men of God like Nava.
there was never no fraud this is how things have always been done ask Baldemar,Solomon,Fortino.

if fraud was committed than the court would have said so.

we didn't take this issue to court, we were false accused and we were taken to court and were found innocent.

what we need is for this issue to die out and let God be God.

the ones who left, good by.
and the ones who stayed lets have revival. (no one is leaving anyway, so stop griping)

bishop Sanchez needs our support and prayers not back bitting.
he is the man of God in his one true church,so lets make the best of everything.

thank you and Dios los bendiga!

post note
those of you who made fun of my PhD
at least i have one. and yes its real.

trophyman said...

To apostolic PASTOR,

Shut up you fool! Sanchez compromised his ministry early on, just to look good with Eric Clapton! Sanchez was a part of the Hippie movement! FYI no prayer would ever help an idiot like him. He preaches and nothing happens! Guess why? I guess he's made an idiot out of you too!

sentido comun said...

El proposito de tomar tiempo y escribir en este blog, es para impulsar a los pastores y obispos a cambiar el cursor de nuestra asamblea.

El asunto de las eleciones del 2006 ya lo hemos divulgado demasiado entre nosotros. Un porcentaje muy alto, por no decir el 100% no estamos de acuerdo con las eleciones y el liderazgo de nuestra mesa directiva.

Ahora, analizando los hechos que occurieron en al salon donde estabamos nosotros los pastores durante las eleciones (2006). La mayoria de nosotros nos sorprendimos al escuchar que Edward Pacheco salio de secretario general.

En ese momento nos mantuvimos callados creyendo que era la voluntad de Dios y no la voluntad de Samuel Valverde.

Ahora, la mesa directiva se jacta que todo fue la voluntad de Dios porque la corte del condado de San Bernardino en California dio el fallo al favor ellos y que la constitucion no fue violada.

Estando a poco mas de un ano de las eleciones para una nueva mesa directive (Dios quiera). Propongo lo siguiente, que analizemos bien al Articulo 5 de nuestra constitucion y los apliquemos a nuestro favor.

Si, la mesa directiva se escuda detras de la constitucion para justificar sus acciones. Entonces nosotros usemos las misma herramientas y no dejemos que Samuel Valverde o cualquiera que hoy ocupa un cargo vuelvan a salir como lideres de nuestra asamblea.

Hermanos Pastores y Obispos esto no es un escrito mas para llenar lineas en este blog. Es llamado a que hagamos algo y dejemos que nuestra organizacion siga secuestrada por ocho individuos que no son capaces, ni idonios, y posiblemente ni el derecho de dirigir nuestra asamblea.

Pronto escribiremos sobre el asunto del Articulo 5 de nuestra constitucion y algunos otros puntos sobre el liderazgo actual.

Thinking How about you? said...

Sentido comun:


Les vale nada a los Honorables, ni tampoco a los Pastores Dormilones., que los Honorables esten robando a las Iglesias tanto dinero.

Pero la iglesias estan de una cara tan abononadas, sin pintura, ni piso, ni aregelos por que todo el dinero se lo "tienen que mandar" a los Honorables, para los "sanjanos que son ellos mismos.

Cuando vengan las elecciones en ano que viene 2010, aunque vallan 8 nomas a esa convencion saldran los mismos.

Porque tienen el poder de la consitucion "chueca" que ellos los honorables ha "alterado" y la herencia que les dejo E. Valverde.,
y la mentada CID.

Y ellos no son con derecho PORQUE Samuel Valverde no fue ni anciano, ni menos Obispo para estar en la mesa directiva. NI TAMPOCO AGUILAR NI PACHECO.

Y si lo quieren justificar, con que ha estado en la MD mas de 10 anos y eso lo "califica" esto es fraude"

Pero ustedes Pastores dormilones no hablan, porque al fin tenemos que recordar, que no tubieron mas de 8 anos de escuela secudaria, como los Honorables.

No tubieron que ir a la Univerisadaes 10 o mas anos. Sino que se "metieron" al Ministerio, que disque en busca de las almas.

Pero estos asalarios., solo el dios de ellos es ganar $10,000.00 por mes.

LOS HONORABLES.
SIN EDUCACION, COMO SAN PABLO, MOISES Y DAVID Y ELIAS Y ELISEO QUE ASISTIERON A EL COLEGIO DE PROFETAS.,

ESTOS ASALARIADOS GANARON INFAMES.

TIENEN A LOS PASTORES ATEMORISADOS.

Ustedes degaria ese puesto, si ganara $10,000.00 dolares y otros $4,000.00 de su iglesia, sin hacer nada.

Haciendo "celulad" para que otros trabajen, y ellos como Adan Lopez, Benjain Quiroz, D. Sanchez, Valverde, Espinosa, Pachelo Ma, Martin< Prado duerman hasta la 1 de la tarde.
En vacaciones, carros y casas lugos,
Y ustedes Pastores, que tienen hermanas trabajado como esclavas para la Flor Azul y Mano a Mano.,

Y Goeorgina, y la Santa Leona, y Francisca que tienen que hacer para estar ano tras ano en la directiva? COLECTANDOLES TODO EL DINERO A LOS HONORABLES SANJANOS!

Mejor fuera que los Honorables se direran a lo claro y no estar sin amor para los hermanos.
"Con esto conocieres que son mis Disculos que os amais los unos a los otros.

Pero la Asamblea sus miembros de la "baja clase, como la UPC.,
solo tienen CELOS, ODIOS Y EMBIDIAS.

HIPROCRITAS...VAN AL PURO INFIERNO.

SINO SE AREPIENTEN...

apostolic PASTOR! said...

Thinking,

and you must be on your way to heaven right? what ever.

you were as much a part of all this as I. if not more!

now is the time to let go.

its not going to change, and you know it.

lets stand united for our Glorious Assembly and back up our leader who was and is Gods annointed.

Thinking How about you? said...

Apostolic Pastor:

See how true it is what I just wrote you are "asleep" my dear brother. Dormilon.

If the boot fits wear it.
You will be responsible in the day of Judgement for your "denial"...

How can you call these "honorables"
God appointed., or annointed, when they exploit you and yours.

Or are you one of them?"

"With this you will know that you are my disciples that you love one another."



What they did with "gusto" to Bishop Abel Torres, was not love.

Bishop Torres only wanted what his father taught him. Truth and fairness., and you wanna be "brown noser" follower of the "evil doers" are just as blind and lazy.

En tu 'LINDO CAFETAL'

The Bible states
"He who hold back the truth, holds back knowledge."

No my dear Brother with God's help Iam not going to hell, neither are you., if we repent.

That is why Iam writing this.

Becasue for years and years I yelled it., and told others, and up to now they are all "asleep and in denial."

I will pray for the Lord to open your eyes and stop "enableing these "lobos" rapases, as the Bible states.

apostolic PASTOR! said...

I am not denying anything, but nothing is going to change.

and all this trash talk does no one any good.

yes I know I will stand before my LORD and will have to answer and give account.

this is Gods church and its our duty to restore it not trash it.....

the young people lost all respect for us and that my friend is not good for anyone spiritually, and you know this.

what ever side we stand on God will call us to give an account.

lets try to amend this sad situation and bring unity.

if i am out of Gods will he will take care of it! right?

its always been this way and you know it, why was it different this time?

do i agree with every course of action? NO!

but i must strive to keep the fort up.

and that is the call of unity!

I once spoke with you about this in person, so its no mystery where you stand but you and I love this church and must preserve it. even if that means standing by our learder when we dont agree.

your words cause just as mush harm to our Beloved Assembly.

so I ask you to stop harming her.

called2proclaim said...

apostasy PASTOR said:
"even if that means standing by our learder when we dont agree."

what advice from a pastor from the DEVIL.


Apostasy Pastore wake up this ypung generation is educated and have knowledge that has givin them POWER and know the truth that has set them FREE.. Free from people like u and institutional churches..

These young people whom i respect and LOVE r spreading the truth..To everyone and its spreading like WILD FIRE..

WAKE UP!

what is going to happen next said...

Apostolic pastor: Who are you trying to fool? Why not tell Daniel Sanchez I'm sure he reads this blog too! The prophets in the bible were not afraid to speak the truth to the kings because they were led by God to do so evidently you're trying to appear as the savior of this whole situation especially if you think you have a chance to run against Sam Valverde.

Thinking How about you? said...

Dear Apostolic Pastor:

Yes it very true that we all love the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus.,
But lets not "forget" that what we are "Disgusted" with are the "Johnnies come Lately" "The Honorables" that 'THINK' THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS BELONGS TO THEM!!!!

That is what is "Disgusting" and nausauating.....

Hey "Disgusted" you down there in the valley of Armengedon, "FOUNTAIN OF LIES"...$80,000.00 PER MONTH MORTAGE PAYMENT TO A "FANCY GYM" WITH A BUILT IN "Bull RING"!


HITLER WAS ALSO A GREAT DISGUISHED ORATOR: FOOLED THOUSANDS AND KILLLED MILLIONS. READ YOUR HISTORY, ILLERATE!

Because Sam think He has "a Big tongue", and can "copy sermons". The last I heard from him was that he had bought the T.J. rehab., Raquel a Benz., on 'YOUR MONEY'...
DISGUSTED?

Sure we all love the Apostolic Assembly and there are many of us that 'HAVE NOT BOWED DOWN TO BAAL'

LIKE BOWING DOWN TO THE HONORABLES...

BUT JUST LIKE in the days of Elias, there were many prophets that had ran and hid.

We are hiding behind these blogs., because we want our truth to come out and be heard. And the reason that we "hide" is because we are 'NOT' united we are "chickens".

Look what we did to back up our dear Brother Abel Torres. "nothing"...

We may love our church., but not 'SUFFICIENT' TO UNITE.

We including me are a bunch of scared "rabbits" that 'PRETEND' TO CARE FOR OUR APOSTOLIC YOUTH., BUT THAT IS A BIG LIE FROM HELL.

BECAUSE IF WE DID CARE FOR "OUR YOUTH" WE WOULD GO OUT AND "FIGHT" AND "BLAST" THOSE SCAMMERS OF THE "HONORABLES" WANNA BE RICH., OUT!!

WE SERVE A MIGHTY GOD. AND HE WILL DEFEND THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY AND GOD WILL "KICK" OUT THOSE LIARS, HEATHENS AND LOVERS OF THEMSELVES AND SCAMMERS OF THE SACRED MONIES THAT ARE "HARD EARNED" BY THE WORKING BEES OF THE CHURCH.

Remember "Hitler" and his gang also intimiated the World. They had the "devils power. But God saw the efforts of the"underground"
workers and we are "the underground" workers SCREAMING OUT TO YOU "SLEEPERS" TO WAKE UP., DO JUSTICE AND "KICK" ONCE AND FOR ALL THOSE "LIARS HONORABLES"

STOP SENDING THEM MONIES.

But as long as we have the Mario Rodriguez, Tamez, Sergio Maffeys, Felipe Lugos., Sanchez, Pa., Valverde, Ma., and Aguilars and Prado and Martin and Espinozas, we will have to pray., write more and EXPOSE, those MONEY LOVERS., WHO LIVE OFF THE MONIES OF THE SAINTS.

TAKE YOUR "BLINDERS" OFF AND OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND PRAY MORE.

GOD WILL PREVAIL., HE WILL ANSWER.

THANK YOU BLOGMASTER.....

FOR YEARS WE HAVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE, AND THEY "WORSHIP" THESE
"SANJANOS."

$10,000.00 PER MONTH swindlers., and more and more and more.

Wake up and unite and "kick" them out with their made up 'DESCLALIFICADORA.!

FRAUD.,

You famous YOUTH...UNITE AND RALLY AGAINST THESE "FAKES" BE A "JOSHUA".

FIGHT FOR YOUR CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD.

DON'T JUST TRY TO LOOK "PRETTY AND LOOK hANDSOME...
BE A DAVID., FIGHT AND KICK OUT VALVERDE THE "MACHINE" BEHIND ALL THIS DISTRUCTION.

IN JESUS NAME... YOU CAN DO IT.

LETS ALL PRAY MORE AND HAVE THE LORD "REBUKE"
THOSE DIE HARD., PEOPLE IN DENIAL., THAT THESE GALLOS ARE "EVIL, LIKE HITLER.

SPEAK OUT AND STOP FALLING ASLEEP.

REMEMBER THE BIBLE STATES. "BE BOLD AND I WILL BE WITH YOU."


Notice that the statement of "faith and of the doctrine., of the AA does not INCLUDE'

WITH THIS YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES, THAT YOU LOVE ONE AND OTHER.

DO THEY THE "HONORABLES" LOVE THE AA AND YOU?

NO WAY., THEY JUST WANT "YOUR" MONEY....

WAKE UP...STOP SENDING MONEY!!!
IN JESUS NAME STOP SENDING MONEY.

"BREAK THEM AT THEIR WEAKNESS....LOVE OF MONEY"

in the know said...

Apostolic Pastor -

My fellow Colleague, I offer Romans 6:14-18

For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

I submit to you, that these former Dignitaries of the Apostolic Assembly and now these present Bloggers are not destroying the Apostolic Assembly.

Rather the present Clergy who refuses to act in defense of the Gospel, who us willing have submitted ourselves to the ruling party that is the GB in which this Governing Body:

1. Has used funds recklessly
2. Has Divided the Church.
3. Abused their Power for Political Gain.
4. Lied and Slandered the Names of the Innocent.

5. Prostituted the Gospel for MONETARY Gain.

6. Treated our beloved Assembly like a $2.00 WHORE.

It is 'US' the present body of Leadership who resides in the Assembly who allows the Church to deteriorate. We are closing down Churches thus loosing Communities and future Generations of Believers. We have damaged bridges of Trust and some are irreparable, not with the Clergy whom we have excluded but the 'laymenship' - our own members we have lost.

My fellow Colleague for us to ask the people who seek reform, who seek reconciliation and most importantly the people who seek truth to be muted would be Crucifying Christ all over again.

Pastor/Minister/Keeper of the Word

in the know said...

So it is what we have aloud it to be and the Membership continues to take a beating.

Members have lost and are loosing their Jobs. Members have lost and loosing their Homes. We ask from them their tithes and we in return abuse it. Sending the tenth to the GB and now it goes to pay for FOT. So it is what we have aloud it to be and the Membership continues to take a beating.

The Apostolic Assembly can no longer function as a Pyramid, no more, not ever.

Pastor/Minister/Keeper of the Word

just said...

“Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.” – Hebrews 13:17

Pastor/Minister/Keeper of the Word,

What have you done? What are you doing?

This unknown Author of the book of Hebrews vouched for the Leaders of the days. Men who met the qualifications according to the Word. The Author goes as far as to say “Obey your leaders and submit to them”.

Can this Author, would this Author Say the same for the leaders of the AA today?

There is a big burden on you leaders: It is the souls you are suppose to watch over! You are to look for the best interest of the people and not look out for the best interest of yourselves. I will say it again, you should be selfless instead the leaders who have said nothing are selfish.

TheyAreInForIt said...

Words to live by....i think we all can.
Lev. 19

11 " 'Do not steal.
" 'Do not lie.
" 'Do not deceive one another.

12 " 'Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

13 " 'Do not defraud your neighbor or rob him.
" 'Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight.

14 " 'Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the LORD.

15 " 'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.

16 " 'Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
" 'Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD.

17 " 'Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.

18 " 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

in the know said...

Just -

You referenced Hebrews 13:17 “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.”

This does not apply to the Leadership of the AA - so to answer your question - no, the writer would not connect the writing to or with the Leadership of the AA... On the contrary, he would point out that the fall into this: Hebrews 13:7-10

Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by ceremonial foods, which are of no value to those who eat them. We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle have no right to eat.

Two distinctive ideas One in pure heart, conversion by the Teacher and 2nd Perversion by the Teacher.....

We have Perverted the AA we Minister at its alter and eat there of.

To answer your first question - I am strategically going about my business.

prayingforyou said...

Theyareinforit


As I read the blogs, I sense hurt in bloggers who appear to be from Brother Prado's old church in Albuquerque. It seemed that you were angry in one of your previous blogs by the language you used, but now I am rejoicing because it seems as though you are finding comfort in the Bible. In my years of ministry I see that you are going through a healing process. If the claims about Pastor Prado and Pastor Duron/Duran (not sure if Duran or Duron) are true then I can only imagine the hurt your church is suffering. If the mentioned Pastors deceived the congregation and they are the cause of them being without a place of worship, all we can hope for is that God does not deal with them through his wrath. However, I would like to encourage you to keep fighting the good fight. Many times when people go into ministry for the wrong reasons such greed and pride, people that serve under them get hurt. My heart goes out to the people in the first church of Albuquerque, because they probably feel Pastor Duron and Pastor Prado were deceptive and I pray that your former pastors read the scriptures and repent. If you are up for it and strong enough, my advice to you would be to stand by the new Pastor (I believe you said his name was Bro. Rueda). It seems pastoring a healthy church is challenging job, but I think it is much more difficult to pastor a church that has been damaged by previous pastors. If what Bro. Prado and Bro Duron did there at your church has discouraged you, maybe you can find another church that can restore you. I cannot recommend another AA church, because Bro. Prado is still part of the General Board, but maybe you can find another organization or non-denominational church that will minister to you.

My brother fight the good fight and allow the blood of Jesus to heal you and Pray for Bro. Duron and Bro. Prado so the lord can use the scriptures you posted to lead them to repentance.

God bless you

A brother in Christ.

BLACK LIST said...

what happened, not looking back still affraid of Rodriguez, thats why u deleted your comment?

victor said...

I was just reading up on a book called The Tale Of Three Kings and it is a book on brokeness. It says,
"If you are young and have never seen such things, you may be certain that sometime in the next forty years you will see. Highly gifted and very powerful men and women...reputed to be lealders in the kingdom of God, do some very dark and ugly deeds."

What does this world need: gifted men and women, outwardly empowered? Or individuals who are brokenm inwardly transformed.
suggestion gb, read the book!!!!!!!!!!!!!

called2proclaim said...

victor: I recomend u read the book "PAGAN CHRISTIANITY" By Frank Viola. Its the book ur pastor wich u never read..


Pagan Christianity takes the readers through the history of many of our church practices. The authors argue the following:

The church should not contain any hierarchy at all.
The senior pastor is actually an obstacle to the fully-functioning body of Christ.
The idea of a sermon in a church gathering is pagan (after all, that brings about a clergy/laity distinction).
Church buildings take away from the biblical teaching that the Church is a people.
Any routine in worship is wrong. All liturgy, whether Protestant, Catholic or free church is misguided and stifling to the Holy Spirit.
Dressing up for church is a leftover from paganism and hypocritical for Christians.
No one should lead in singing. To have a worship leader picking songs is an affront to freedom in Christ.
Tithing is completely unbiblical and now serves to prop up the unbiblical institutionalized church and the salaries of unbiblical clergy.
Baptism and the Lord’s Supper have been coopted by pagan mysticism.
Christian education doesn’t work because everything is mind-focused. Discipleship should be an apprentice-ship, not just filling the head with information.
The Bible needs to be read in context, not as a jigsaw puzzle.
We need to be like Jesus – revolutionaries who are ready to turn aside all tradition.
A few areas of agreement (and I do mean a few):

It’s good to question why we do things a certain way in worship. I do not find fault with the authors for posing good questions.
We do need to recover the celebratory aspect of the Lord’s Supper, and I think that placing the Supper within the context of a community meal might help.
The Bible does, indeed, need to be read as a narrative, and not merely as a list of selective verses.
We need to be willing to throw out traditions that are unbiblical.

victor said...

calledproclaim
I agree that there have been many a traditions that have been turned into to doctrine and the the church has done away with many of them, are we there yet? Not by a long shot, so relax.
I hear that the interior dist is having their dist conv. aug 7-8 and its going to be all fontana running the show.

caminando_voy said...

I guess ole Sammyboy is already campaigning for the presidency.

As ole Raquel said recently on this very blog: "Sam has plans once he becomes president to change many things that will make Dan Sanchez look like "mother Teresa".

People GET READY, GET READY, GET READY - things are going to only get worse pretty soon and it will be because YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP EFFECT A CHANGE!

nolookingback said...

Apocalipsis 18:4 Y oí otra voz del cielo, que decía: Salid de ella, pueblo mío,(A) para que no seáis partícipes de sus pecados, ni recibáis parte de sus plagas;

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Thinking How about you? said...

The convention coming up in Interior District will again produce by Samy and Raquel the same "old" table with all the "goodies" of the "trino" books and of course the "stolen" writings from "other" authors, works.
The "table" outside the auditorium foyer will be "controlled" BY SAMMY AND RAQUEL!

He has no "shame" got himself in "hot" debt and now is still "scamming" the districts by "getting" all the monies from " book" sales.

Since Sammy "thinks" he own the Apostolic Assembly due to the inheritance left by his uncle,EFRAIN VALVERDE., THE "Aposotlic Assembly" "Revolt" together with
all the Pachecos and Valverdes and backed up by New Mexico,Cirilio Leyba from Bernanillo, New Mexico.
HIS DESCENDENTS, THE "OCHOAS" NOW RULE THE GENERAL OFFICE AND OF COURSE THE FOUNTAIN OF LIES., SCAMMING.

Now that Sammy has "controlled" with his Hitler's idealogy and mystical "religion" and has "defaulted" the constitution and the "famous" CID by evading the rules of order to be First Elder, and then Bishop in order to be in the General Board.

This "Red Gallo" is so low class he does not know, that he is already at "the Lowest possible" as far as a "back-slider" back stabber and "self righteous" dictator.

Being in the National Board for 10 years to boot in a fraudlent way.


But you my dear "non voter Pastor" will still "KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT".

FOR GOODNESS SAKE "STOP SENDING MONIES."

HAVE MERCY ON YOURSELVES.....

WAKE UP AND READ GOD'S WORD.

ASALARADIOS...SANJANOS.!!!!!

factsonly1 said...

One day, the sons of the prophets will run the new apostolic church and take us to higher place than there fathers!

One day I can see:

Samuel Valverde Jr as president

Jasson Aguilar as vice president

Victor Prado II as secretary

Timothy Valverde as treasuerer

Jess Aguilar as secretary of christian eduction.

Abel Duarte as secterary of music

not to mention all the other awesome mans of god!

caminando_voy said...

Well let's see factso before all that happens -

Valverde Jr. needs to get himself a new home since he was just recently foreclosed on.

Jason Aguilar should perfect his "walking on water" drama.

Prado Jr. should take driving lessons.

Timothy Valverde should quit the wild parties during conventions.

Jess Aguilar needs to work on his horrible rudeness.

I'll give you Abel Duarte.


And all the other awesome ?mans? of god should pray that this doesn't ever happen. The aa is already on a fast downhill slide as it is.

caminando_voy said...

. . . or they'll wind up just like their fathers as the WORST LEADERSHIP IN THE HISTORY OF THE AA.

BLACK LIST said...

AS FAR AS BETHEL TEMPLE AND PASTOR RODRIGUEZ, THE PEOPLE THAT WHERE LOYAL TO HIM THAT HE PUSHED OUT RECENTLY OR WHERE ON HIS BLACK LIST HAVE MOVED ON, AND TO THIS DAY THEY ARE STILL LOYAL TO HIM BECAUSE HAVING EVERTHING TO RAT HIM OUT THEY DIDNT. THAT'S HOW LOYAL THESE BROTHERS ARE TO HIM. THEY HAVE A RECORDING OF HIS FAMOUS MEETING AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOLD THEM OF ALL THE PLOTS AND THE LIES HE USED TO SET PEOPLE UP. HE KNOWS EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK INOCCENT AND IF YOU DARE TO TRY TO DO ANYTHING AGAINST HIM HE HAS IT ALL SET UP TO BRING ALL HELL AGAINST YOU, HE HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS AND NO ONE CARES, AT THE ASSEMBLY AND DISTRICT LEVELS. THE 1ST TUCSON IS FULL OF X BETHEL MEMBERS AND MANY HAVE BEEN LOST.

Passage Proverbs 20:22:

22 Don’t say, “I will get even for this wrong.”
Wait for the Lord to handle the matter.

WHAT HE HAS TO WORRY ABOUT IS THOSE HE HAS NOW.... NOT THOSE THAT HAVE LEFT...
BELIEVE ME THIS STORY HAS NOT ENDED

John said...

BLACKLIST,
sounds like the bishop from New Mexico is taking a page out of Rodriquez's book..

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John said...

Don't know if anyone has seen this before.. i didn't know we were affiliated with the Martin Luther
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=329270578

nolookingback said...

Hey Blacklist no te me adelantes.

Bethel Temple in Tucson AZ. The question is what hasn't happened. Something that pastor Rodriguez has always quoted, "I will never leave my 99 to go looking for one that has strayed away". Totally opposite from what the word of God teaches. To be opposite of Christ is to be antichrist. Just recently good members that served at Bethel faithfully just couldn't take it any longer left to get away from this tyrant dictator. Bethel Temple has always been a church with great potential but unfortunately never gets anywhere. I saw it for over thirty years, every time a member disagrees with this pastor, he goes out of his way to discredit and publicly humiliate that member. Pastor Rodriguez's setup line "somebody called me and told me that you've been saying..." Then when asked who's telling him these lies, he says "I won't reveal the source". To make up lies and try to pass them off as truth is simply the work of the devil. Like the Word of God says; you shall know them by their fruits. To say that every person that left Bethel was because of the pastor would be unfair, but let’s face it pastor you have run off some decent people that were loyal to you. To publicly point out and shame members who haven't paid tithes is just plain wrong. To tithe is an act of faith and faith comes from hearing the word of God. You my brother Rodriguez have strayed from the Word and gone as far to profess curses on your congregation. One thing I will never forget is the time you said "If you leave Bethel Temple your sons will become drug addicts and your daughters prostitutes and your marriage will end in divorce" Come on pastor, don't forget you have children and grandchildren too. Pastor you’re big on loyalty and respect, but you've have forgotten that it's a two way street and your sheep deserve your loyalty and respect too. To say from the pulpit that you wish somebody would “take care of these people" or "there's people who would do it for free" is just plain evil. Is that what it's come to? wishing physical harm to the members of Bethel. May God have mercy on this wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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corona said...

dude, your so fucking stupid!
thats the bishop, you should have more respect! also, if you want to quote scripture make sure you know it....its the love of money!
bishop is the best!

don't know said...

What wonderful choice of words.
I'm sure your Bishop whoever it, is really proud of you.
Since your also an expert on scripture.
I think there is one in there about swearing.

corona said...

really? then why don't you show it to me puto! because most likely you're out of context. bitch!

victor said...

Someone get Corona of the waves, this guy could really use some sort of intervention.

corona said...

so what happened "fed up"?
i made you look like a fool and you deleted your comment! what a bitch!
you too victor, you little bitch!

lito said...

hola hermaono mios.

no se digan tantas tonterias y
pendejadas. mejor alaben a cristo con el holygost alelullitas, como dice el cholo de obispo que teneis en el sur de california, el reverendo cholo mas joto johnny sanchez.

xxishimaruxx said...

Well I say as a member of the apostolic church I am astounded by these asinine comments it may be that way in some places but not in all but no place is perfect but you can't group all of the churches because of the actions of others also you misspelled "ABSOLUTE"
got something to say xxishimaruxx@yahoo.com

fed up said...

Guess that is what happens when your bishop is out most of the time collecting love offerings boy.
Instead of spending more time at his local church washing out your dirty little mouth with soap.

victor said...

Lets all join hands as an honest gesture and pray for corona and lito, for their salvation, I can understand where they are coming from, most of us spoke that way before coming to Christ.

victor said...

Also, heard it through the grapevine, that a ssmall number of pastors have left the assembly in the state of Texas, whether they united with the awa or not is not known. Can anyone confirm?

Encuentro said...

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us.
Save us from the time of trial
and deliver us from evil.
For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours
now and for ever. Amen

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen

Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit,
Both now and always, and unto the ages of ages. Amen


Lord Jesus, we now implore, both for the present and for the hour of our death, the intercession of the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Thy Mother, whose holy soul was pierced at the time of Thy passion by a sword of grief. Grant us this favor, O Saviour of the world, Who liveth and reigneth with the Father and the Holy Ghost, forever and ever. Amen

ivorees said...

To all: The exodus you heard about occuring in Texas is massive! More to come as we get updated!

president sancho said...

Don't believe it.
I have everything in control.
The texas peeps love me too much to leave.
Don't believe a word you read.

El queso grande

lito said...

Gloria al Padre, Gloria al Hijo y Gloria al Espiritu Santo. Por los siglos de los siglos Amen.

En el nombre de Padre, del Hijo, del Espiritu Santo. Amen.
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Blood, precious blood of Crist forgive us from our sins. amen.

TheInsider said...

HENRY give us update on Mac Muffin.

Due the Cholos en la Pinta have to wait a lot longer????

caminando_voy said...

Sooooooooo, if in fact Texans are leaving the AA sinking ship "en masse" I wonder what will happen with the newly formed Texas Corporation?

caminando_voy said...

The aa seems to be shrinking in member$hip by the minute.

caminando_voy said...

Pretty soon the only ones remaining will be factso, pacheco, daniel, old aguilar, sammy & raquel walking around in a daze wondering where all the TITHING, FLOR AZUL, MANO A MANO AND MEGA OFRENDA giving hermanos went!

victor said...

Just heard that over in the interior district, their bishop lugo just had a stint put in his major artery. don't wish nothing bad on the guy, glad he is up and around.

what is going to happen next said...

If this is true I wish him well too but just a little advice to Lugo, STOP!!! THROWING pastors out of their churches just because they don't agree with your boss (GB). That doesn't do your heart any good.

Example: I heard Lugo attended a funeral for Pastor Borja's here in California. A letter was prepared for the Borja family from a friend "Abel Torres" that was read at the service. I heard it was a letter that impacted the family and those who attended as well but Lugo who sat through it all was furious especially because it was coming from "Abel Torres." They tell me he was turning all sorts of colors because he was steaming ready to explode.

caminando_voy said...

For those who don't know:

"A stent is a wire metal mesh tube used to prop open an artery during an angioplasty procedure. Stenting is a fairly common procedure."

Yeah, I think the gb is probably responsible for causing him undue stress due to making him do their dirty work. He should take it easy from here on.

caminando_voy said...

No more gloating in front of churches and doing victory signs. I think that type of "stint" is over for him.

trophyman said...

Lugo needs exactly what the rest of the fat bums that call themselves bishops ( A DIET). Bunch of fat bums running this AA pyramid! Una dieta Lugo, los cachetes ya te cuelgan hasta el pecho!

Henry said...

RE:

People v. Ricardo Avalos Maffey

aka Pastor Richard Maffey

Defense Motion for Continuance granted, Pre-trial hearing scheduled for Sept. 25, 2009 8:30am.

Where he'll likely motion for another continuance.
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justice_will_prevail said...

to henry...
since you're a legal beagle, why does the prosecution allow so many continuances? If their case is solid, would they not fight the court on this and not allow for this to be dragged on?

Jared said...

Sorry, but you're blaming the GB for the way you are?? Not being able to take accountability for one's actions is quite immature. While I may not agree with everything that the GB does, I DEFINITELY don't agree with blaming them for your imperfections and shortcomings.

Grow a pair.

cbg said...

Hey, anybody out there know why the former dictator bishop from arizona (Art Tafoya) DID NOT show up at the AWA conference this past weekend in Mesa arizona? Did he leave the organization?

gunter said...

So looks like the Bomb hit raquel did you start running.

LOL

Would you like tha tea to go?

The bomb has hit and the AA leaders are scrambling to try and cover their tracks.

NO Wonder why they have all gotten so quite.

Looks like these so called prophets that have been bashing those that left were not able to predict all the things that came there way.

apoinfo said...

To all bloggers and blogmaster!

With all the bloggers on this website can someone give us the names of all those pastor's who have openned up churches in the entire U.S. and are no longer associated with the AA. I mean the names of everyone...including those that aren't a part of the AWA.

A list of pastor's would truly help many who want to leave the Assembly but don't know where to turn.

Also...can the blogmaster put the older picture of the AA board in zoot suits. It was from a while back...PLEASE MAKE IT PART OF THE FRONT PICTURES ALONG WITH THE ABSOLUT PICTURE! These AA board members are real clowns and need to be exposed for what they are!!!

BLACK LIST said...

Micah 2
Judgment against Wealthy Oppressors


1 What sorrow awaits you who lie awake at night,
thinking up evil plans.
You rise at dawn and hurry to carry them out,
simply because you have the power to do so.
2 When you want a piece of land,
you find a way to seize it.
When you want someone’s house,
you take it by fraud and violence.
You cheat a man of his property,
stealing his family’s inheritance.

apoinfo said...

where are the pictures of the zoot suit general board members???

post them here...please!!!

idea said...

A directory of the pastors that are now with the AWA was given at the Meza convention. Can someone post it at apostolicassembly.info.

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Truth Be Told said...

You know what Picture i want to see . . . the old General board as South Park!! that pic was Hilarious . . . hahahaha!

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what is going to happen next said...

Well folks some of you didn't believe me when I said there was a bomb that was going to hit the GB and now you see what I meant. This guys are in deep water and they can't get out! They are going to have to turn the books over to Willie Mendoza's attorney with orders from the judge! Who would have thought Willie Mendoza's attorney would be the one to nail these guys! Who will come to the rescue? Raquel, where is the plan that Sam was putting together to save him and the rest?

don't know said...

This ain't over til the fat lady sings oops meant Rachel.
They are going to try everything in their power to get money from the membership.
Sell trade cheat members out of their churches probably.
Before they go down the AA is going to be dragged in the muck more than what it has already.
God have mercy on the membership, cause the so called MEN OF GOD ain't that.

justice_will_prevail said...

the gb has been set back given the rulings coming out of the harris county court regarding the lawsuit with pastor guillermo mendoza. the judge ruled that they have to open their accounting books for the court to see. victor prado is going on two days back to back sessions combing the ac nava foundation's fund. Secondly, that there can be no more continuances as was requested by their lawyer. the trial is being set for some time in september.

inside sources are saying that the kitty is drying up rapidly and they are cutting down all types of trips, lodging, eats, etc. i wonder how they will pay for pastor mendoza's case if they lose this suit given that they have no money. pastor mendoza is suing them for lots of money damages.

also, sam valverde is cutting his pastoral staff effective at the end of this month, come august they are on their own. he's up to his neck in debt with the mortgage...wow... $80,000.00 per month is a lot of mulah just for the mortgage.

i wonder where all this mess the aa gb has caused end? as the drudge report writes at times... developing!

Disgusted805 said...

I think you backsliders need a some good dynamic powerful apostolic preaching to repent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w55iuQkQVjw&feature=channel_page

TheyAreInForIt said...

Disgusted 805
Full of emotions.....emotions will not get you to heaven. Plus you need to be a man with no reproach and you know as well as i know that Sammybloi is not.

what is going to happen next said...

Disgusted: The time has come! Repent and turn away from your wicked ways and humble yourself before the Lord and he will forgive you.

Prayingforyou said...

Theyareinforit:


How are you doing? Are you still attending Bro. Prado's old church?

How is the church recovering?

John said...

someone mentioned that Bro. Rueda took over 1st of ABQ is that true?

Prayingforyou said...

John:

I believe theyareinforit mentioned tsomething about a Brother Rueda being the pastor. I have been praying for him because I know he has a challenge on his hands. God bless and uses him to nurture the church.

TheyAreInForIt said...

Yes. Pastor Ralph Rueda is the pastor. Amongst low attendance, he is working hard and people are responding. Continue to pray for us.

God is good. Pastor Floyd left on good terms and has helped in the transition.

Thanks for your prayers. There are sincere people on this blog after all. Thanks people.

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Righthereinaz said...

Bloggers, There is an interesting rumor going around in the Arizona District that Tafoya is coming back. We are hearing he cut a deal with president Sanchez and will be allowed to come back into the AA.

Does anybody know anything about this rumor. We would hate to see someone with such bad reputation come back into our peaceful district.

Word from a close, reliable source said that Sanchez told Tafoya that to prove his loayalty to the AA Tafoya would have to boycot the AWA activities from now on. And publicly discredit the AWA.

what is going to happen next said...

From what I hear Tafoya had broken ties with the AWA for quite sometime so what can he boycott?
Ahh! Sanchez just needs to get a grip if this is true which I really doubt it to be true. So Folks in AZ their is nothing to fear. All is well!
Sanchez has tooo.. much over his head right now to worry about. He is too busy trying to get all the books in the offices legally straighten out because Willie Mendoza's attorney is waiting!!

cbg said...

Sounds like "what is going to happen next" is a tafoya buddy. How casual of you to defend and dismiss such a scoundrel.

I herd the same thing from someone in arizona. So don't be to quick to divert the truth from such a con man as tafoya.

You might even be related. LOL!

what is going to happen next said...

NO, Cbg wrong again! Far from it! Just posting what I've also heard regarding Tafoya. Regarding Sanchez and the rest they are running out of time to get those books straighten out before Willie Mendoza's attorney gets a hold of them so I really doubt Sanchez has time to worry about Tafoya for now. He's greatest threat is not in AZ my friend it's Houston, TX.

porq said...

The AAFCJ gb8's days are numbered, all because they refused correction and Godly counsel and have been living in luxury, illusions and arrogantly off the tithes
and precious saints and faithful ministries. The tithe of the tithes, flor azul, DA, mano a mano ac nava funds were all monies that these shylocks took as their own.

Como cantan la hermanita apostolica Britney Spears "I'm not that innocent" so "Bye Bye ,,,," a la pisca de la fruit of the loom con esos looney tunes... vaya a la ...

porq said...

Ah one more thing .. It was "all ABOUT THEM." Not knowing that the Lord of heaven and earth, He takes notice of all their actions, motives, vendettas and even their insatiable hunger not only for money, control and people's glory and admiration of their egos & personas! While all along God has said, "Mine glory will I share with no one."

Sammy, Artie and Danny boy, remember all the jealousies, discomforts and insecurities you had in comparing your puny "Mr. Bean egos" to men like the late Rev. Robert Ramirez, prophet David Zuniga and more recently our beloved Pastor Willie Mendoza??
You never thought that even a secular cowboy attorney would not only take his case, strongly serve unreservedly to his defense but strongly go after you weasels with such a ferocious full court press, huh!?!

sleep well

victor said...

Correction, I dont believe Bro. Mendoza's attorney is secular, he used to be apostolic , now he is upc and further more, he is the that mc'd Bro Borga's funera in apple valley.

victor said...

sorry for the mispells, u no what i mean.

what is going to happen next said...

Victor, pardon me but Willie Mendoza's attorney is not the one who you are referring to, the attorney that is representing Willie Mendoza is a well known attorney in Houston, Tx. From what I hear he's good! Evidently so, he's got these guys reeaa..ly worried. Makes me wonder why they're working late hrs. to get these books straighten out before the attorney get's his hands on it. Hmmmm....

victor said...

If it is or isn't, I don't know but more power to them, you are probably correct, "Theres a bad moon on the rise"
thanks

The Truth For Once said...

Bad moon rising!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROycpcCuxrs

what is going to happen next said...

The lyrics to this song "Bad Moon Rising" describes the dilema the GB is facing. Had heard it before but never paid attention to the words. This should be the theme song for this whirlwind that's blowing in the midst of the GB! LOL!

Disgusted806 said...

Theyareinforit:


Here is your quote:

"Disgusted 805
Full of emotions.....emotions will not get you to heaven. Plus you need to be a man with no reproach and you know as well as i know that Sammybloi is not."


Just out of curiosity, how do you know Pastor Valverde is a man of reproach?

Do you not live in Albuerque? and attend Victor Prado's old church?

If Pastor Valverde is a man of reproach, then what about Victor Prado?
or is he a good friend of yours?

You speak of Pastor Valverde as if you know him but you say nothing of Pastor Prado and he did a number on your church. I get this feeling that you are a bitter Floyd Duron. If you are ex Pastor Duron why not confront Pastor Valverde face to face instead of being a coward.

If you are Ex. Pastor Duron, you better be careful because Pastor Sam probably knows a few things about you.

If you are not Pastor Duron and continue to bad mouth Pastor Sam, then you need to include Pastor Prado's reroaches. Or better yet tell us about your church situation.

To the rest of bloggers, in no way do I say Pastor Sam is innocent, but the last group of people that should be talking about him are Victor prado's members, especially if it is who I think it is. If anything they should speak against Pastor Prado.

gunter said...

Okay let us get off the quess who game and get to the real issues it seems like many people try to throw off the subject whenever there is something big going on.

So back to the real subject I wonder how the whole GB is feeling at this very moment I would be buckling at the knees if I were them.

TheyAreInForIt said...

No one ever said Victor Prado was perfect and I don't say that either. What Prado did was a shame and a disgrace, yet he has no power of the GB as sam does.

No i am not Floyd Duron, i do know him very well and I can tell u after he confronted others on this blog, I don't think he is quite interested in this blog. He has moved on to greener pastures according to him.

Yes, I still attend the church where Rueda is now the pastor and believe me he is starting to make progress. Perhaps we had a few people the first week or two but that comes with the fact of transition. We are rebuilding and God is moving.

Sam? hmmm seems that you know him well. We go back many years of knowing him back when he was dying to be in charge and now his day may come. UNFORTUNATELY.

When you see Sammyboi give him this link or email you buddy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROycpcCuxrs

Good going truth for once.

what is going to happen next said...

Gunter: Seems as if the GB is now turning on each other. Sounds like Disgusted 805 and 806 are not very happy campers. The story in the bible of the "Tower of Babel" is now being repeated in the AA. These men who begin to think they knew more than God begin to build to reach the heavens and God stopped the by confusing them by giving them all a different language and couldn't communicate anymore and everything stopped!

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john.3.16 said...

PDC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AATpKGbo9Os&feature=related

caminando_voy said...

Anyone know what's going on at the general offices? Do we even still have general offices? Or has Sammyboy capitalized on that already? I'm sure he needs it for his $80,000 monthly church mortgage payment.

Of course they're probably busy reading up on Watergate!

frijole said...

Let's play a game:

I take the AA board members as serious as I take Paris Hilton. I see a lot of similarities between the two.

One that stands out is:
They did nothing to get to where they are, it is all a result of their parent's and grandparent's hard work.


Can you guys think of any similarities between Paris Hilton and the AA board members? This should be interesting.

Enrique said...

They care more about fame and money than morals and a good name. : )

frijole said...

Comparing Paris Hilton to AA Board Members:

They are both anorexic. Paris physically and the AA board spiritually.


Any more???

frijole said...

Comparing Paris Hilton to AA Board Members:


They both were caught on video screwing someone.

Enrique said...

They are both morally bankrupt.

And they both have damaged their families last names.

el mero mero said...

They both have no real skill or talent, if thrown into the real world they would starve.

They both look good on the outside, but wait until they open their mouths, and you see how shallow they are.

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