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Orange County District Attorney
Press Release
Tony Rackauckas, District Attorney
401 Civic Center Drive West
Santa Ana, CA 92701
For Immediate Release
Case # TBA
November 12, 2008
Contacts:
Susan Kang Schroeder
Public Affairs Counsel
Office: 714-347-8408
Cell: 714-292-2718
Farrah Emami
Spokesperson
Office: 714-347-8405
Cell: 714-323-4486
PROTESTANT PASTOR CHARGED WITH MOLESTING
14-YEAR-OLD FEMALE PARISHIONER
NEWPORT BEACH– A Protestant pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente was charged today for molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner that he met through his job. Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child between the ages of 14 and 15, and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molest. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of five years and six months in prison. He is out of custody on $100,000 bail. Maffey is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 5, 2008, at 8:30 a.m., Harbor Justice Center, Newport Beach. The Department will be determined later.
Maffey met Jane Doe through his role as a pastor. Between May 2008 and August 2008, the defendant is accused of violating his position of trust by engaging in illegal sexual contact with Jane Doe. On multiple occasions, he is accused of passionately kissing Jane Doe on the mouth. He is also accused of contacting her several times to meet and engage in kissing.
Anyone with additional information or who believes they have been a victim is encouraged to contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714)347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff’s Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at (714)647-7419.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Department investigated this case. Deputy District Attorney Tony Ferrentino of the Sexual Assault Unit is prosecuting this case.
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Wasn't Richard Maffey in line to serve on the Apostolic Assembly General Board? Has the organization made a public comment? How far in advance did they know Maffey was performing these lewd acts and did nothing?
Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay the attorney's fee's and penalties.
http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=1074&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Pastor-Accused-of-Kissing-Teenage-Girl.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-pastor13-2008nov13,0,1568393.story
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=10649090&src=news
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7851143&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 3530 Newer› Newest»Bro. Baldemar did not secede he was straight up kicked out the only ones that are hating on him are people that are in the AA I saw him in San Antonio and the other men that were also kicked out and they look fine they do not seem to be bitter at all and the only people still hating on them are the AA board and all their flunkies. They were kicked out because they had the courage to stand up.
Efrian was running the church like it was his same as Sanchez and same the only difference this time around is that they did what Efrain was not able to do and that is to destroy the rep of the AA.
During those days people were more spiritual and not caught up in the Politics and brown nosing just so that they can get to where they want to.
You might say Lehan you are a nobody said to say that I have the right last name and I can get far if I wanted to.
Why do I not try it you say because what is the point if it is not God's will. That is precisely where we lose track of what God wants and want we want.
This is where the AA has taken it and there has been our downfall.
If you going to say anything pleas get the facts straight.
Lehan,
You right on 100%
There was a time I recall when God moved powerfully in our Churches.
There have always been men who were appointed by a relative.
But back in the day there were more men of integrity and men that were willing to pay the price and truly be consecrated.
And God would honor their efforts and we would see signs and wonders and great outpourings of his spirit.
Now so many preachers are in it for the fame and notoriety.
And it is so obviously clear that not all pastors and bishops were called to ministry, rather they were placed there by a relative or close friend.
Until we get back to allowing God to guide and direct our paths we will see the AA deteriorate even further.
How sad that we have allowed it to get to this point.
True
Many more pastors were more consecrated and also sought the for the consecration of the church. Healings were seen, people filled with the Holy Ghost. I remember some of the Bishops like Manuel Soto visiting some of the churches, and rolling up his sleeves working alongside the brothers as they worked in the church. It was a great feeling truly belonging to something special appreciating the Lord in His blessings as well as being proud to belong to an organization that really practiced standards. People now call it legalism and where has that gotten us? Can't tell the saint from the aints and money has taken over dictating where you stand in the church. Lots of disappointments alright with this new age church.
Cali Pete,
It is because Men are looking after their own benefit and do not love and feed the sheep.
Because they do not have a calling to minister.
Those who do have a calling love to humbly serve and are always ready and willing to help. heal, love and counsel the flock.
Anything less than this is just a man with a position.
Only and until we completely empty ourselves of us can God truly fill us with himself and his heart and mind.
TO SOLA DE GLORIA.....WHO'S MAD AND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT..LOL..MY BRO. OR SIS. YOU GOT IT TWISTED THE REASON WHY YOU SEE SO MANY BACKSLIDERS IN CHURCH IS BECAUSE A BACKSLIDER IS ALL WAY FIGHTING HIS OR HER OLD WAYS OF SIN..WHAT CHURCH DO YOU GO TO WHERE YOU NEVER LEARNED ANY THING..WOW...LOL...IF YOU COULD ONLY HEAR YOURSELF TALK..LOL...but never the less i will keep you in prayer..
TO SOLA DE GLORIA.....WHO'S MAD AND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT..LOL..MY BRO. OR SIS. YOU GOT IT TWISTED THE REASON WHY YOU SEE SO MANY BACKSLIDERS IN CHURCH IS BECAUSE A BACKSLIDER IS ALL WAY FIGHTING HIS OR HER OLD WAYS OF SIN..WHAT CHURCH DO YOU GO TO WHERE YOU NEVER LEARNED ANY THING..WOW...LOL...IF YOU COULD ONLY HEAR YOURSELF TALK..LOL...but never the less i will keep you in prayer..
Praise the Lord!
I currently attend an AA church here in AZ. I understand that no organization is perfect, nor is any person that walks the face of the earth is perfect. I agree with some standards that AA has placed but I also disagree with some as well. I will admit that it cross my mind to leave the organization and join great man like Pastor Solomon, Pastor Zuniga , Pastor Torres and Pastor Rodruquez. But as soon as I heard the crook Tafoya was going to be a part of this organization I understood that some things just never change.
This man forced Pastor out from their churches just because they missed a couple of months of tithes. This man a camp in Prescott who by the way is going to be closed because is in such bad shape that it's be labeled as un-repairable. We owed 100,000 dollars in the camp ground and Tafoya refinance the property and took out 350,000 to supposedly fixed the camp ground. Beside putting pavement in the gourd we saw no improvements. When he left the his position as Bishop on AZ he left the account with -$849.77 when about months ago he told many people that we had over a million dollars in the district.
I can keep going on and on about this man that so calls himself a PASTOR. A man who left his church with $0.79 in their account when he left Glendale but he took close to $10,000 not to mention the drums, piano and the bass with some cordless mics that are in one of his kids myspace.
If this new organization really wants to do the will of God, they need to separate themselves from this man as soon as possible. I know allot of people who would like to join it but we all know how this man works and honestly this world is already full with thief's and liars and we don't want to associate themselves with him.
I agree with you Witness but it is not entirely his fault for those of you all who have heard the saying it takes two to tango.
He may have had his problems but look at his teachers Sam and the rest.
If Tafoya is Guilty so is Sam and all the lot of them.
In the end all these problems turn back to what this administration has taught us.
Phoenix
True, that within the last few years, many within the assembly as well as other denominations, have made money their god, and maybe Tafoya is with the other (AWA) organization. Does that mean that all the wrong doers have left the assembly? Hardly so. I know of one bishop who left our district when his term was up just these last district elections and he left the church $7,000.00 in the hole and wanted the pastor who took over to pay his bills. He hasn't left the assembly. He is here with us in California with a bigger church and bigger paycheck. So, where do you go? Ask God for direction. The possible good thing about the AWA is that the churches will be autonomous (independent) and won't be able to get other churches money or property.
cali-pete, what you say about men like Bro. Soto is true..
When I first came to the Lord, the pastor in our church fell, (not on the floor but with a girl) and if it wasn't for his example, I would have never sought out the ministry.
He came to our little church, and lived in the pastor's house for a while until they found another person to take the church. I remember being curious and I visited him, and he was sleeping on a little cot in one of the rooms.
His example helped me NOT to leave the church due to the pastor's fall. There are still men of that caliber out there, not concerned with the hype/money/power/fame, but have a true burden for the lost and for the fold.
To: Apostolic Assembly, Iglesia Apostolica, Apostolic World Alliance, United Pentecostal Church, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World.
YOU DON'T LOVE EACH OTHER AS ONE BODY OF CHRIST!!
There is so much back-biting!
It has been going on for generations!! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! AWA may be new but it is just as guilty because many of you knew about the injustices and participated and did not take a stand sooner.
The AA has been led by a shameful board. Dan Sanchez and the current board says that they can forgive but they can't trust!!
THIS IS SO UNBIBLICAL!! We are not dealing with child molestors!! Save that for Richard Maffey.
The model for dealing with FORGIVENESS is the prodigal son.
When the prodigal son returned from living in sin, his father received him and gave him sandals (slaves were not allowed to have them) He put a ring on his finger (that was a siglet ring) which was used to sign documents by its owner (it was like have an American Express card) and then the father said let's kill the fatted calf! IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S CELEBRATE HIS RETURN.
WHAT DAN SANCHEZ AND THE BOARD SHOULD DO IS CALL ALL OF THE MEN WHO WERE BOOTED AND ASK THEM TO COME BACK.
LET'S START OVER. WE WILL REMAIN IN PEACE AND DROP ALL THE ISSUES WITH ONE UNDERSTANDING....THE ELECTIONS IN 2010 WILL BE RUN ETHICALLY FROM NOW ON!!!
We will invite either Iglesia, UPC & PAW observants to monitor process of the AA elections.
It would be like when a third world country has reputable people from other nations monitor their elections.
The AA has been running there elections like the Venezuela or the Cuban elections. So tainted
ANYWAY ALL OF YOU ARE DAMNED, THESE ARE SIGNS OF THE LAST DAYS!
I HONESTLY DON'T BELIEVE MANY OF YOU WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN, ESPECIALLY BOARD MEMBERS!
Matt 24:12-13 "And because iniquity shall abound, THE LOVE OF MANY SHALL WAX COLD. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." KJV
2 Thess 2:9-12 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And WITH ALL DECEIVABLENESS of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION , THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
1 Tim 4:1-2 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall DEPART FROM THE FAITH , GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
2 Thess 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come A FALLING AWAY FIRST,"
MANY WILL BE OFFENDED, BETRAY AND HATE ONE ANOTHER
Matt 24:10-11
Matt 10:36 Jesus said, "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." KJV
Strife, betrayal and hatred are common in families and even within nations.
Luke 18:8 "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" KJV
Mt 25:13 Jesus said, "NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR" of his return
WE DON'T KNOW THE DAY OR THE HOUR, BUT WE WERE GIVEN THE SIGN OF THE GENERATION.
Mt 24:34 'Jesus said, "THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS TIL ALL BE FULFILLED"
'This generation' that sees Israel becoming a nation; all nations turning against Israel; war, plagues, famine, and earthquakes in divers places; the threat of China; Iraq; perplexity and distress of nations; false prophets; false Christ's (messiah's); and a great apostasy
FEAR
Lk 21:25 "Men's hearts failing because of FEAR looking at the things coming on the earth"
We know that there are going to be all kinds of sin committed within the christian body. All it takes to be made of aware of this, is not so much the internet, but by reading of the Word of God. It is better for us not to become so scandalous about what we are seeing today, but taking heed of the words of our Lord.
"He who perseveres shall be saved."
Matt. 24:13
"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." 1 Cor. 10:12
To all AWA board members. AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO ASSOCIATE YOURSELVES WITH UNETHICAL CROOKS LIKE ART TAFOYA NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, ESPECIALLY IN ARIZONA WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY!!!!
As far as we are concerned, by taking this kind of men (Tafoya) in your leadership circles, only demonstrates a lack of judgement and wisdom from your part.
Why join the AWA with men that have the same potential for injustice like Sanches and Valverde. From now on NO ONE will even consider joining you! GOD BLESS YOU AND GOOD RIDDENS!
AMEN to that JC...
"Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character.'" 1 Corinthians 15:33 (NIV).
JCinAZ
you're about as bitter as a donut in guacamole
get over the AA and AWA they are both better off without a member like you anyway
in the words of DS ..."you don't have the b@lls..." for either of them
Does anyone else notice that this JCinAZ mentions Sanchez, Valverde, and Tafoya...yet not the well known Car Scammer?
JCinAZ donuts are good, but I will not share them with you because you are bitter inside
A donut of sugar in you will only turn into boiling black liquid
your bitterness is apparent and you seem more ignorant than Squidworth
all of us can only hope that you have left the AA and have not joined the AWA... another bump on a log, bench warmer, thinking they can get a blog and state an opinion which doesn't count anyway
my donut is MINE
you don't get any donuts this year, you get a lump of coal
To Patrick,
And I'm supposed to take seriously the comments that come from a man, boy, girl, board member ??????, that lives and thinks like a cartoon character. GROW UP!
At least I live in the real world! You my friend can't tell the difference between reality and make believe. WOW!!! Maybe you work in the general offices of the AA! LOL......
Mary,
You stated, "LIVE FOR YOUR SELF MY BRO. OR SIS. NOT FOR THE AA"
This is impossible to do when AA pastors dictate what you wear, where you go, who you go with, when you go, what you say, how long to pray, who to date, when to date, who to marry and when to give.
AA pastors have hi-jacked people's free will and the people no longer serve God out of free will, but serve the pastor to stay out of prueba. SAD SAD SAD!
This sounds like a new ager to me who has't read the epistles of Paul and Peter. Especially chapter 12 of Hebrews. Maybe his bible doesn't have that chapter.
TO MANO...WHAT APOSTOLIC CHURCH DO YOU GO TOO..SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE LIVING FOR A MAN AND NOT GOD, SOUND LIKE YOU GO TO A OLD SCHOOL APOSTOLIC CHURCH...YOUR GIVE UP TO MUCH OF YOUR SELF TO MAN AND ALL HIS RULES, YOU CAN BE A APOSTOLIC AND LIVE FOR YOUR SELF AND STAY OFF PRUEBA. YOU START LIVING FOR MAN YOUR GOING TO GET YOUR SELF IN A LOT OF TROUBLE THE DEVIL LIKES WEAK PEOPLE LIKE YOU A PUPPET
Mary,
You are jumping to conclusions. I am not in the Apostolic Assembly, in fact I have been out of the Assembly for a while already.
For you to deny that AA pastors do not try to control everything you do is to be in denial. They use guilt-trips, and the threat of hell to manipulate people into giving and living.
That is exactly why I left the AA, it is driven by emotional instinct rather than spiritual instinct. In the AA man has his hands in EVERYTHING, so much so that there is no room for God.
I have all the proof in the world to prove everything I'm telling you. Just tell me where to start if you need the proof.
Hope you enjoy reading this. We all need a good laugh.
The Pastor's Ass
The pastor entered his donkey in a race and it won..
The pastor was so pleased with the donkey
that he entered it in the race again, and it won again.
The local paper read:
PASTOR'S ASS OUT FRONT.
The Bishop was so upset with this kind of publicity
that he ordered the pastor not to enter the donkey in
another race.
The next day, the local paper headline read:
BISHOP SCRATCHES PASTOR'S ASS.
This was too much for the bishop, so he ordered the
pastor to get rid of the donkey.
The pastor decided to give it to a nun in a nearby convent.
The local paper, hearing of the news, posted the following
headline the next day:
NUN HAS BEST ASS IN TOWN.
The bishop fainted. He informed the nun that she would have to
get rid of the donkey, so she sold it to a farmer for $10.
The next day the paper read:
NUN SELLS ASS FOR $10.
This was too much for the bishop, so he ordered the nun to buy
back the donkey and lead it to the plains where it could run
wild..
The next day the headlines read:
NUN ANNOUNCES HER ASS IS WILD AND FREE.
The bishop was buried the next day.
The moral of the story is . . being concerned about public opinion
can bring you much grief and misery . Even shorten your life.
So be yourself and enjoy life.
Stop worrying about everyone else's ass and you'll be a lot happier
and live longer!
Have a great day!
Pacheco would have said to the Dorca Nun "TEN MEASLY DOLLARS?!"
"Get your a_ _ out there sister".
Eva Diaz?
Is it just me or does her "ministry" rub you the wrong way too?
ATTENTION FLC'ers!!!
What happened with her and why did she leave FLC?
-C
Eva Diaz? Why concerned about the singer?
The Hernandez family was robbed by the GB.
They sent Sis. Rosie packing to the homelss shelter after she spent a lifetime with Bro. Hernandez building that church up.
Poor Brother Isaac was kicked out too.
Peter Hernandez' ministry has also been destroyed.
JC I had more respect for you brother but you are just as tyrannical as the AA GB.
You cannot get along with one person and you let that hold you back.
I am sorry to say that in every aspect I have lost a lot of respect for you because even though I know who you are I am not going to reveal your mask.
lol, ha ha very funny lehan! If you're so sure who I am GO AHEAD and reveal my identity I DARE YOU!
And listen, I'm not seeking you're respect, or anybody elses for that matter. I'm just stating facts that anybody who lived through 8 years of a Tyranical bishop knows.
I'm not trying to make up stories. THIS IS THE TRUTH! And if you're one of those apostolics that are always blind to facts GO AHEAD, as for me, I know who I serve (Jesus), and my pastor speaks truth, lives truth, and follows the truth. And if he was to deviate from the truth because of greed, power, and lust, he too would be exposed!
I heard that when Sanchez is on his death bed, he has requested that Valverde and Pacheco stand on either side of him when he go's. Apparently he want's to be like christ. Between two thieves!!!!!
LOL LOL LOL
Good One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Concerned said...
Eva Diaz?
Is it just me or does her "ministry" rub you the wrong way too?
ATTENTION FLC'ers!!!
What happened with her and why did she leave FLC?
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I don't know if there is any truth behind this, but I heard that She and Pete Hernandez had a thing and that's why she went with him to Barbosa's church. Again, it's hearsay...
No doubt, the girl can sing. i've nothing negative to say about that... However, she did strike me to be a bit arrogant and somewhat diva-ish. Hence the aka' "Diva-Eva" Just sayin' LOL
Sola,
How can you say that praying and fasting will only change your circumstance, and not your spiritual walk? And that spiritual maturity will only be revealed through scripture. Who are you walking with? Reading scripture and not walking close to God will only classify you as one who reads the word, but not practice's what the word says. How can a person receive christian maturity if they only read the word? That my friend is like saying that a healthy and successful marriage is only achieved through reading marriage manuals, and not by practicing love, commitment, and communication.
Perhaps the reason that there are backsliders in any organization is because there is not enough praying and fasting. You can only be close with God if you have a daily prayer life. You know that old saying, "one week without Jesus makes one weak"
Just want to understand where you're coming from?
TO MANO....DONT GET ME WRONG I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM...THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY TO YOU IS THAT IN ALL THAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND GONE THROUGH IN CHURCH IS NOT TO LOSE SIGHT OF GOD AND WHEN A CHURCH IS F@@@ UP LIKE THE ONE YOU WENT TO, IT F@@@@S IT UP FOR ALL OF US...BECAUSE THE GB F@@@@S WITH ARE PASTORS AND THEY HAVE TO KISS A WHOLE LOT OF A@@ TO KEEP THEIR CHURCH. AND NOW A DAYS PASTORS DONT HAVE THE BALLS TO STAND UP TO THE AAGB AND IF THEY DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS....THEIR OUT..........
Solid Rock
Thank you for your comments.
Where have you been? I have provided the answer to your question many times.
Paul told the Thessalonians, “For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)
The Word of God is the active agent that works to mature our spiritual life.
Look at what Jesus said to the Pharisees, “making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.” (Mark 7:13)
Tradition removes the effect of the Word of God.
This is very strong argument. This is why you see people pray all the time. Go to the altar every Sunday. Cry at every service. And then fall away.
Look at what David said, “Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You.” (Psalm 119:11)
Look at what Jesus said, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63)
It is the Word of God that makes us spiritual. Without the Word we are all just a bunch of emotional misfits.
You are right, it is not just about reading it or carrying a bible around. It must be hid in the heart.
This is where the Apostolic Assembly fails. They teach a behavior (legalism and pseudo holiness) and not a belief (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
Remember we are not condemned for the wrong behavior; we are condemned for the wrong beliefs. (Mark 16:16)
You can pray and fast all you want to, in the end God must speak for a spiritual action to occur. (Isa 55:11)
Don’t get me wrong, I am not against prayer and fasting (it’s biblical) but we need to take a more serious look at what preserves our spiritual life (John 6:63)
God Bless!
Tic...
Maybe you haven't been to the camp ground lately.
I will say that some of the cabins, and the sanctuary are in good shape, considering how bad they used to be.
But don't think that its all good my friend, You see, health inspectors, and the fire marshal are close to condemning these grounds. The last camp held there was a family camp and that church was blessed to be able to use it.
Where do i start? The kitchen requires a new exhaust fan system that includes a new fire extinguishing system. (which it has never had)estimate approx. $20,000, several light poles must be replaced. Why? Because they are pine trees!!! Many cabins have wires exposed coming out of outlets, switches, and lights!! However, you look into the bishops cabin, my what a nice cabin!! money was not spared when fixing up this room.
Much, and i mean much money is needed to keep this camp from being shut down. But i ask you, why did Tafoya leave the district fund depleted? Each camp season, most camps had an average size of approx. 300 campers at $125.00 a camper. That's about $37,000 each camp, 7 to 8 camps a year, comes to around $295,000 a year. Each camp used close to $7,000. to $8,000 in food. Some speakers fees, some other incidentals, and i ask, Why is this camp in such bad shape?? Also, Tafoya had let the insurance premium lapse on the campground. When it was asked of his treasurer why? he just said tafoya said to not pay it! What a wimpy treasurer.
You want to defend Tafoya? Open your eyes to what he has done to Gods people in AZ!!
Sola...
Thanks for clearing it up. My point was that it must be as you put it, hid in the heart. I have been on both sides, praying daily and going weeks without prayer, and i feel that without prayer, i tend to get weak and feel far away from the Lord.
God bless
tic...
You deleted your post about the az campground, Why? You also state that Tafoya did not handle the money. That's the responsibility of the treasurer.
As far as the ongoing audit, word is that they are close to formally pressing charges against him.
Although it may never happen because of the "dirt" he can spill on the gb!!
tic...
I attended this camp as a junior, a youth, and as a parent of youth who enjoy attending camp.
I have worked at this camp as a cook and have helped many brothers work on remodeling several buildings as a volunteer all for the work of the lord. Maybe i'm in some of those videos, that doesn't matter. What matters is that many men have given countless hours and have traveled many miles to work there only to see it be ruined by a person who is selfish. When the new district board took over, Tafoya went to take inventory of the campgrounds, and started to remove what he claimed was his!!
Even kitchen utensils. LOL
Tlc...
Oh man, i don't know who is suing Tafoya, but it is possible that he will be prosecuted.
The only thing clean about him was his treasury funds, state and local, as in cleaned out!!! The az district fund had a zero balance, his local church had a .79 balance. Seems to me that is a extremely low balance for a church that has 700 members, as he claimed he had. LOL The juniors group at some churches have several hundred dollars in their accounts. I don't think you can explain why these funds are depleted, can you? Upgrades on the camp grounds? Upgrades on his local church? Don't think so.
But as you claim that he was a success, why would he walk away from such success? To have church services at a school cafeteria, with 35 members?(family) and to become a custodian!!
Tlc, i don,t hate the man, but i don't agree with alot of the things he has done.
SolidRock, you're wasting your time with tlc. You know this is typical of a tafoyanite. The few that followed him have ALWAYS been blind to his evil deeds.
tlc is probably robert, rosie, or even his blind follower martin. These people ignore the many people in the district that are available to testify of the dictator's evil deeds.
As far as the camp, we even know brother miguel rodriguez who used to be the caretaker of the camp in prescott. All you have to do is contact him in mesa and he will tell you horror stories about the camp! You're right, globs of dinero came in, and the campground has nothing to show for it. But the dictator bishop has several houses, vehicles, water jets, ets, etc. And that sure didn't come from his wives real estate deals or his custodian salary!
The Tafoyanites are kind of like the muslims that deny the holocaust. Hitler did the deed and few deny its occurrance!
By the way tlc sounds just like raffe used to sound. And if you noticed the one or two that came in here to defend tafoya (like raffe) deleted all their blogs because they don't want to be caught writing lies. LOL..
Raffe you're busted now you're blogging as tlc!!! lol lol lol..
TO CONCERNED...ITS BEEN SAID FROM MY BBF WHO LIVES IN LA COUNTY THAT EVE IS NOW ON TV .TBN SINGING FOR THE LORD..IF YOU HAVE A TV CHECK HER OUT ON TBN. AND NOTHING TOOK PLACE WITH HER AND PETE SHE JUST MOVED ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS IN THE LORD....
IS IT TRUE... THAT THE AAGB PUT UP THIS APOSTOLIC NEWS BLOG. TO HEAR WHAT THE LUKE WARM AND BACKSLIDERS HAVE TO SAY..HUM.. HUM.. HUM..
Mary, if that's the case then it backfired on them cause all it did was give everyone an opportunity to airout the gb's dirty laundry!
poor poor tlc looks like he's going crazy with all this talk. TAKE IT EASY, TAKE IT EASY! don't get you feathers all in a ruffle. If the stuff being said is not true then why become nasty yourself calling people names!
...TLC cRAZY... Factso... Crazy...
FOT... Crazy...
-dang...
I can verify on Bro. Art Tafoya. Several years ago before Nov. 2006 thats for sure. I was visiting in AZ. I visited with some of the church activities. A member of the Glendale church was in charge of making the deposits for the church, because they treasurer was out of state on emergency. I asked that member, "Oh, your the treasurer?" the response was, "no, I was asked to do this because the treasurer was out of town" I remember asking, why doesn't the pastor or pastors wife do it? The response to that was, "oh no, he will never touch the money". I remember thinking whats wrong with that. I now see why he never wanted his hands on the money himself or the sister Tafoya.
I know for sure he honored his mother and father greatly and I saw how he looked to them. They were a great example in his life. I see him moving forward in the Lord, as his parents always did.
Los hermanos Tafoya's Senior laboured continually never ceasing in the work Lord. All I can say is wow! They did a great job. They're labours are not in vain and live on through their children.
I would say God Bless the hermanos Tafoya Sr. but their in shadow of the Almighty now. I'll leave that up to the Lord. I believe it's, "Well done good and faithful servant"
All I can say is watch and see that the Lord is good.
TLC
Why do you listen to the bloggers. They are dumb f@@@. They want to bash leaders from both organization and then act like they witness to each other. They say stuff like "in Jesus Name", but they all are full of crap. Not only do they have shit flowing from their ears but also from their mouths. This is evident anytime a blogger writes anything. What is funny is that they keep blaming their GB members for trying to destroy this blog; however, this blog is a pathetic jokes. Nothing more than dumb ass rejects who could not obtain positions of leadership. One good thing is that now the negative bullshit is turning to the AWA. Since Art. Tafoya is the WebMaster for AA.info, it surprises me that his fat ass has not posted any letters of the accusations against himself.
Hermano Baldedmar give Arturo consejo and tell him to post his side of the story about missing money from Arizonia Camp. If Art. Tafoya decides to disclose his side maybe he can talk about some of the money missing when he was pastoring in New Mexico.
Of course this would not happen because chances are when all this happen Good ole Baldemar was the Dishonourable President.
Adios dumbasses!!! Blogmaster please do not delete this low class blog.
Watch and see that the Lord is good.
To many of you are caught up on who did what. I have alot of opinions myself. What would I gain to speak ill of anyone, that would only hurt myself. Why dont you try doing good and not evil. I encourage you to look to Jesus and not man. I bet the Lord can handle the wrong doings of man. No one is innocent, thats why we need the washing of the blood. Bitterness will only tear you up, more than the ugliness you speak on anyone. I'm sorry your not mature enough to take it to God.
I never would have thought there was so much bitterness amoung the bretheren or as you blog it seems your enemies. Doesn't the Word say to pray for your enemies.
Or are you following Christ, it doesn't seem so. You must not attend church. I could'nt speak that way and worship on Sunday. I dont consider any of you my enemy, but I pray you can look to Jesus for justice and not man.
Brothers you have to decide where you will worship it's your choice. Don't get caught up on any leaders being perfect it wont happen. My pastor is awesome and has never done me wrong. I pray he always will stand right in his position. I now he is just a man.
Revolutionaries for Jesus!!!
TO TLC...WOW.. WHATS REALLY GOING ON, ARE YOU ARTS WIFE..I DONT KNOW WHO ART T. IS OR WHAT HE DID ...BUT FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT YOU SURE ARE ASKING FOR A LOT...IF ART NOT TRIPING ON WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIM.. DONT TRIP..IT JUST A BLOG. TO GIVE ARE APOSTOLIC SHOUT OUT GOOD OR BAD IS ALL GOOD.....AND IF YOU DONT LIKE WAHT YOUR READING AS YOUR PASTOR WOULD TELL YOU DONT GET ON THIS BLOG.AGAIN ..PS. DOES YOUR PASTOR KNOW YOU ARE ON THIS BLOG. READING TRASH ...HUM HUM HUM BE A APOSTOLIC BRO. OR SIS. AND LET HIM KNOW.
UPDATE REQUEST ON MAFFEY:
So what is "need-a-lay-MAFFEY" up to? Is the asembly letting him pastor? If no, who is running things while he's benched? Is he preaching? Picking up offerings to pay his lawyers? What is the buzz down in the LA part of the country?
HAY EVERY BODY.... TLC USE TO BE TROPHYMAN CHECK OUT NOV.30,08 HE OR SHE USED THE SAME ONE LINE...MARY MARY QUITE CONTRARY....HUM HUM..SO WHO ELSE IS HE OR SHE BLOG. AS..HUM HUM
Antonio
Your blog was interesting read on 12/18. I also felt as you do about the reconciliation of the brothers who were thrown out and that there should be a revote. That was my thinking, I had high hopes. But it's gone to far. I dont think these men have any humblness to do so. The best thing yes, but God will never forsake us. We just all need to keep on keeping on in the Lord.
More so, I was interested when you said the prodigal son was given a siglet ring. I never heard that before. What does Siglet mean?
This is why I skim through this blog really. To learn from each other. I dont think the blogmaster had in mind the ugly discussions that go on.
Please respond to the siglet ring.
Thanks!
TLC
Sorry I offended you!! I happen to be from Texas, but my cousins in New Mexico told me the scoop about your Dad. According to my Primos, During a construction project of the Church your Dad Pastored $10,000 turned up missing. While the members were in deep prayer, Some of his members left the church because they did not understand how the money could disappear while he was the overseer of it. Again this is heresay, but it seems like this kind of heresay seems to follow your Dad whereever he goes.
Can I ask you what kind of problem did Bishop Tafoya have with his brother Nat that forced Nat to leave the AA? Again this is heresay, but I hear a bunch of Bad things of your Dad.
Anyway TLC could you please kiss my ass?
Morning Bloggers
Mary, thx for your comment on Ms "Diva Eva". Yes she does strike me quite the diva and a bit dramatic with her "ministry" it just seems a bit forced and full of HERSELF. I havent caught a glimpse of her on TBN yet but have seen her a part of some group here in the LA area. They are an "interesting" group of people in their own right but i'll leave that alone.
I think i'll leave this topic now.
On the TAFOYA topic: Hey lil Artie and Chubby - uh,i mean CHRISTY - - get off this blog! your crooked daddy is already out stop trying to defend him!!!
Peace and chicken grease
-C
PS: I was out for a while what happened to my old timer blogger?
TLC
Could you ask your Dad to update the AA.info? Since everyone thinks he is the Webmaster of the website? Correct me if I am wrong.
TLC
By the way, tell your Daddy Artie to blog with us again. Does he still uses the blog name 95theses?
TO omg:
I apologize for the mispelling the correct spelling of the ring is a SIGNET ring, indicating authority because it is used to attest the authority of its bearer, the ring has also been seen as a symbol of his power. (That's were the American Express card example comes in).
The reason why most of us have never heard of it is because our pastor's skip over the meaning of this because it opposes the AA doctrine of NO rings.
There are many other parts of the Bible that the AA doctrine skips over.
The parable of the Prodigal Son was given by Jesus Christ himself. Why would JC even give an example of the ring if it is wrong for us to use it?
Because we don't respect this parable as Jesus told it about the ring. Otherwise we wouldn't have an issue allowing AA members to use the ring.
On another note, as far as what is going on in the AA and AWA? I know all of the men personally and it saddens me to see this going the way it is.
Both sides are wrong! The system has been corrupt for many generations and no one had the integrity to fix it.
I could go back to Llorrente, Nava, Cantu and Valverde's administrations. They all had there politics.
Were they this bad?
NO!
I really believe Dan Sanchez is oppressed! I think even his board is scared of him. That is why they all voted to have communion at the convention against Sanchez's real wishes. He was uncomfortable with the idea but how could he oppose all the other GB members simple religious and ceremonial request?
On the other side Baldemar Rodriguez allowed many GB members on with ever being district bishop first. Vizcarra did the same thing. The AA consitition says you can't be part of the board unless you have been a bishop first.
Nava did this too, by the way!
Believe it or not Solomon brought this up back in the early 80's in a general election I attended.
He was seen as a rebel and he tried to be respectful but firm about the violation. But no other pastor or official would stand with him, so Solomon dropped it.
For this reason Valverde never forgave Solomon (it was Valverde who entered into the board without ever being a district bishop)
This is against the constitution.
Baldemar allowed many pastors to be removed by bishops for unjustified reasons.
He should have done something then.
AGAIN, both sides are bad!
I have sat with each of these men and have probed their personal thoughts on many issues and they have confided many things over the years. On both sides.
You may ask are they corrupt men?
MY ANSWER WILL SURPRISE YOU!!!!!
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They really aren't when you get to know them as they started their ministry and developed.
BUT....the system corrupted them.
They saw that only those who participated in the system were allowed to enter into the system.
SHALL I EXPLAIN?
A young minister comes into the AA and wants to know how to advance in the AA corporate ladder... He looks around to see how he does this.
He notices that he must show up to all the local, sector, district and national activities. He must dress nice, wear a sharp suit, nice power tie, rub shoulders with those in power.
If he makes the right friends, then those in power (if they like you) will allow you to have a local position. Next do the same in the sector, district and National level.
Same thing for joining the GB.
THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT. IN order to get somewhere within the system you have to PAY TO PLAY.
SO THE REAL ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ARE THEY CORRUPT MEN?
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THEY STARTED OFF NOT BEING CORRUPT AND ENDED UP BEING CORRUPT!!
NOW THEY ARE CORRUPT!!
I wonder if the GB voted themselves a really nice Christmas bonus?
Since they don't have to answer to no one.
Antonio
Let God be true and every man a liar.
The ring I always wondered why the AA was against the ring. When you look at the parable of the Prodigal son. I understoud the ring was a contract and marriage is a contract.
I want to put more trust in all these ministers. I think it is true that many want to climb the leadership ladder. I dont think thats wrong, of course the 1st ambition is to serve the Lord in these positions. It just needs to be by fair vote. As well as family members, they should'nt have special previlage. If it happened to be a board with all family members it would be fine if it was all by fair vote.
You sound a little harsh, it wounds my spirit. I have held my tongue in respect to alot of issues old and new. It's not in me to be so harsh and speak hateful about anyone. I find it amazing how aweful people view each other. I have heard talk about my previous pastor who I loved very much when I would attend convention. It seems as people want to feed on gossip. You know it starts little and it grows so viciously. When I have been in the background observing comments from others. I have found out over and over again. There may be a some truth mixed up with even way bigger lies.
Brothers and sisters thats why I say You have to make up your own decisions for yourself. Most here are only speaking on half truths. which in return comes down to lies and only spews hatefulness. I've seen to many try to spread bad opionions. It just speaks volumes on their own spiritual lives.
Jesus is my justice.
If the Apostolic Assembly allows you to wear the ring, it will only open more things that they were wrong about.
"A small error in the beginning, is a huge error in the end."
-Thomas Aquinas
Sola - so true my friend I've always appreciated your wisdom among some of these uneducated "hermanos"
TLC - aka "a Tafoya" hmmm maybe some of the missing funds went to paying for Christy's gastric bypass? dont trip choccolate chip.
For those of you that don't know...the new "AWA" board members were just not removed from their positions.....After all was said and done, they were given a year to attempt to mend the situation and apologize and opted to not be humble so they opted for the easy route of "SECEDING" because that is exactly what happened. Being removed from a pastorship is not the same as being kicked out of the AA....Heck, most of these men of God were given a modest, but none the least, compensation of 3 months WITH pay while they got their lives situated but because they could not be humble, THEY SECEDED and again I say, if the AA GB members are all crooks and evil and not men of God, then the same can be said of the "AWA" leadership because they were all one in the same.....THE APPLE DOES NOT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE and these new "AWA" members knew very well what was going on wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy way way before they decided to do something about it and that dates back to as early as Bishop Baldemar's Tenure at the helm........Open Your Eyes Peeps!!!
The church government has become your heroin.
You need your fix every day. You are unbalanced.
Church is your heroin and Sanchez is your drug dealer.
You should listen to yourselves one day.
It's very funny how the Tafoyitas want us to proof to them the evidence that is against them. If you guys are soo innocent as you claim to be, why don't you show us proof that you are innocent of all of the accusations. This is something that I saw with my very own eye . Not only that but many pastors told me but where afraid to speak out because they knew what would happened to them ( ask Santos Navarret in Mesa and Mike Hernandez in Peoria).
I will admit that Tafoya did do a lot of good things that the Az District benefited from. The Camp was a great idea. I don't have a problem with the purchased of the camp. What I have a problem is how he handle the money. Ask Tafoya why he would pay his kids for attending camps? I heard of a love offerings but did he really had to give them $700 a piece per camp? While his other followers( the piano player) only get $150 dollars? And they would only play/sing at the night services!!
The reason why they would only play in the night services is because would stay out late playing xbox 360 or watching 8 miles or any type of movies with pornography.
Before Tafoya left his church he invited 10 families to dinner and after the dinner he told them that God has put in his heart that they gave $10,000 offering to the church. Nobody listen to him because they knew that he was leaving and that he was going to take the money with him. This was told to me by one of the 10 families that was there. ( If you want to know the persons name, give your email and I will email the name). I have nothing to hide nor nobody to be afraid of.
Tafoya was 100% AA until he was not voted in on the GB 2006. Why did Tafoya leave the AA if he was so innocent? Ask Tafoya why did he got and beg for forgiveness to the GB and asked him to please forgive him for his bad administration? Ask Tafoya why he didn't discipline his kids( mainly Little Art and Christy) when they would do their thing Friday and Saturday nights and let them minister on Sunday? Ask Tafoya about the little business that he and Uriarte have in Encenada? Ask Tafoya why he had TWO treasures in his church? One handle the incoming money and the other handle the outgoing money? Could it be possible that he didn't want the church to know what was going on with the money? Ask Tafoya why he left his church with $0.79 on the church account?
I'm not hear to condemn him nor to judge him for I'm no one to judge. But if he is truly innocent, tell him to let everyone know that he's innocent instead of hiding like he is doing. I know one thing, that if I was being accused of something that I had not committed, I would not run away or leave the AA until everything was cleared and my name was cleaned. Why did he leave at the middle of the night and had his kids and his nephew steal the church equipment? Why? Because where's there's smoke, there is fire.
TLC:
My cousins think they know who you are.
I told them about my blogging with all you Anti-Assembly dumbasses and told them that you were a member at Arturos old church in Albuquerque and were present during that whole ordeal.
I noticed that you have not answer the question as to why your brother Nat left your brother's church twice. Once in Albuquerque and another time in Glendale.
Could you tell me what happen there?
why did Nat leave the AA?
Word here in North Texas is that Art is not a person of a solid reputation.
JLC Sorry but let us not tell half truths let us say the whole story. Brother Sanchez told the men that they had to eat dirt and then beg for forgiveness and that is the only way to save them and their families. I am sorry my friend but he did not die for them or any of us on calvery. So why should they have to do it. Also we know that brother Sanchez was still trying to speak badly about the Pastors that left at this convention.
Also from the inside from their own ranks these men know for fact via email that Brother Sanchez was going after them.
Then brother Sanchez also wanted after brother Zuniga and Villegas because they actually beat them. The Assembly dished out millions to cover vp jr trak.
SO JLC get the facts straight before you spread them and I am not the only one that knows that on here I am sure there are others so you can not say it is hersay
TLC
again could you elaborate on why your relative Nat leave your other relative Art's church? Sorry for the foul mouth, but I could be worse and steal money from a church I pastor. It could be so bad that my own Brother would leave me. No need to respond if you cannot handle it.
Quote:
"To those who didn't know the pastors are required to send in the last months (Dec.)
bank statement to Hdqtrs. So how much control of the finances of the church they have, you figure it out."
THE RING IN ALLOWED IN SOME OF THE APOSTOLIC CHURCH.. MY BBF GOES TO A AA CHURCH IN SOUTHER CALIF.AND ALL THE MARRIED SISTERS HAVE A RING PASTOR FRED JOSE FOUGHT HARD FOR THE RING, BUT THEIR ARE SOME PASTOR WHO STILL WILL NOT ALLOW IT IN THEIR CHURCH.....MY MOTHER SAID BACK IN THE OLD DAYS T.V. WERE NOT ALLOWED ALSO CHRISTMAS TREES WERE NOT ALLOWED BUT NOW THEY ARE......HUM WHAT REALLY GOING ON.......
Also stealing from the poor to give to the DGB is ok now too.
TO TLC ......THE PREACHING MUST HAVE BEEN GOOD THIS SUNDAY.. YOUR SOUNDING A LITTLE HOLY..MAYBE TO HOLY TO BE ON THIS BLOG....
TLC:
You are soooo full of crap and you know that you are related to Art. Tafoya. Here is my secret, I use to attend church in Glendale and let me tell you something the non Tafoya members from New Mexico that went to church in Glendale were inlaws. If you were in attendance in some service in New Mexico and attend church in Glendale then this means you are a family member.
Don't be upset because now Art. Tafoya is being scrutinized and being exposed like the GB.
ponganse a resar para purgar sus pecados y dejense de llamar APOSTOLICOS, que usd. no son APOSTOLICOS.
JO, TLC WHO USE TO BE ..TROPHYMAN.. SOUNDS LIKE YOUR ABOUT TO USE ANOTHER BLOG. NAME ...FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS TAKING A LOT OF TRASH YOU SURE GOT HOLY...SURE DO MISS YOU AS TROPHYMAN BUT SURE GOING TO MISS YOU AS TLC.....LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL.
Mary said:
"THEIR ARE SOME PASTOR WHO STILL WILL NOT ALLOW IT IN THEIR CHURCH"
Crazy! Pastors not allowing the ring? Not allowing the ring? Are you kidding me???? It's either a sin, or it isn't a sin. Apostolic Assembly, make up your mind! This is ridiculous! Holiness changes from church to church - depending on who is the pastor.
Has anyone heard of this book called the "Bible"? How about everyone just follow what the Bible says and shut up about what the Bible doesn't say.
Los movimientos AA y IAFCJ, son movimientos emocionales que no tiene fundamento tanto liturgico como teologico. Tales movimientos deverian ser revisados e investigados por peritos TEOLOGICOS ECCLESIASTICOS. Oviamente los jerarcas de tales movimientos son unos niofitos incapaces enganadores y abaros de poder y posisiones financieras.
LLevan al mismo infierno de ignorancia a todos los niofitos tanto en conocimiento TEOLOGICO como SECULAR.
Lastima del mal uso que le dan a sus rubro el llamarce "APOSTOLICO".
Mary
Mary:
Can I give some TLC? I want to lick you all over, over and over. I have been exposed because I am related to the Tafoyas. Someone mentioned the offering he use to give to his family member, well I once receive an offering for a thousand dollars. It was the easiest money I had ever made. All I had to do was play for the night service during camp.
DGB, I am dishonoralbe like you all.
TLC
TLC..WHAT HAPPEN TO YOU AT 806pm YOU WERE SOUNDING HOLY, NOW AT 928pm YOU SOUND LIKE THE DEVIL GOT A HOLD OF YOU....HUM... HUM SOUNDS LIKE A NEW NAME CHANGE IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN....
Los movimientos AA y IAFCJ, son movimientos libertinos que sus mismos jerarcas y filigreses no saben ni en lo que creen. Pues no tiene CREDO ni SACRAMENTOS. Todo lo quieren explicar con el "holy gost" cosa de pura emocion y con tarugadas superfas.
Queridos amigos, es asunto de tiempo, sus movimientos seran destruidos pues no tienen fundamento en JESUCRISTO. TODO ES PUESTO EN LA BALANZA, PUES EL ORO BRILLARA Y LA BASURA DESAPARECERA.
TO TITO...ENGLISH
Lito, I love how you think! Great post.
Me gusta como piensas! De seguro no eres de la asamblea, ya te volvieras loco!
............Q-VO
Afortunadamente tube y lo tengo todavia el privilegio de conocer muy bien a todos GB members del pado y del PRESENTE en los movimientos del AA y IAFCJ. Les conosemos muy bien todas las movidas de sus espiritualidades ecclesiasticas estrategicas.
amigos y amigas, no es facil llamarce "APOSTOLICO" nadamas porque se escuche bonito. A JESUCRISTO le costo su SANGRE en el
CALVARIO. El mismo le dejo la encomienda a sus dicipulos el APOSTOLADO. A sus apostoles les costo la vida por ser DICIPULOS de EL.
QUE DIOS LES BENDIGA.
To Solo Dei Gloria,
I wonder if you have ever had the opportunity to sit down and speak to your leaders one on one?
Have you ever gotten the opportunity to sit down personally at the following people's home or in a restaurant or in the lobby of a convention sitting for hours talking to the following:
Llorente
Nava
Rivas
Gaxiola
Ortega
Cantu (Benjamin & Edward Cantu)
Sepulveda (Leonardo)
Valverde (Efrain)
Cota
Palma (David)
Jauhall
Rangel
Ramirez (Robert)
Salazar (Lorenzo)
Duarte
Vizcarra
Rodriguez (Baldemar)
Almaraz
ALL CURRENT BOARD
Sanchez (Daniel)
Valverde
Pacheco
Maffey
Espinoza
DeCampo
Aguilar
Prado
AWA MEN
Baldemar
Torres
Solomon
Tafoya
Zuniga
Mendoza (Willie & Sal)
Andrade
Have you ever spoken to them frankly tell you how they really feel about our AA doctrine??
Do they know you on a first name basis?
Can they let their guard down in speaking to you?
I say this humbly, but I know all these men very personally. I have heard them all speak their doubts about many doctrinal points.
BTW, I didn't mention everyone on this list just mostly the President's and V-Presidents. I threw in a few unknowns to show you how far back I go. I 74 years old.
UNFORTUNATELY, you do not understand the issue from a Biblical perspective and you don't care.
You say:
[If the Apostolic Assembly allows you to wear the ring, it will only open more things that they were wrong about.]
Solo Dei Gloria: Let me ask you one question:
If the Bible says something is NOT wrong but in fact it is good, would you go for it or against it?
If the Bible is your source of Truth, then you cannot deny that the ring is endorsed by Jesus Christ in the Prodigal son.
But you instead put your AA doctrine above the Prodigal son example given by Jesus Christ and say NO to the ring.
The ring did not signify a contract!
NO
Instead it meant this:
The father had the ring as a signature to buy goods. Remember this father (type & figure of our heavenly father) was very wealthy. The ring was his signature to buy goods and with it had the authority to sign into contract with vendors and merchants and the estate would be bound to pay that contract or service for goods.
The father (heavenly father) gave his son (us sinners) forgiveness and then went beyond by giving him full authority (we are now a Royal priesthood) to enter into contracts with anyone he wished to.
THE RING WAS NOT A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON! The sandals were only given to sons and daughters. Slaves were not allowed to have them, otherwise they would escape.
Remember, that the prodigal son had rehearsed his speech to his father. The son was going to tell his father to simply make him a servant (without sandals) but his dad would have no part of it. He said you are to receive sandals, a ring (American Express Card) and a robe (which covered his sins).
BTW, this quote below is sooo out of context by you!!
This same quote if used correctly, makes my point!!!
["A small error in the beginning, is a huge error in the end."
-Thomas Aquinas]
Let me give you an example to explain what Thomas Aquinas is saying:
If you are on a golf course on the 18th hole and you veer off just 1 foot to the left by the time you reach 300 hundred feet away you will be in the water.
In other words don't start off your doctrine wrong because before you know it, you are going to be way off!!!
Guess what? The AA started with a lot of good intentions and is now way off on a lot of things.
They use to preach against:
*Not going to Disneyland
*Women had to wear nylons
*Unmarried ladies had to wear white veils
*No bright color (red) dresses
*White shirts only (men)
*No cufflings
*No cutting of the hair (women)
*No pant pajamas to bed (women)
*Top button buttoned
*No Rings
*No open toed shoes (women)
*Dresses 1 inch below knee
*No TV's
*No Christmas trees
*No Christmas Lights
*No crosses in the church
*No video taking in the church
There are many more!
The AA doctrine has started off wrong and it continues to veer off by these good men who were corrupted by the system.
Lito
Cayese si? el Neofito es otro que anda de Metiche donde no lo llamana vayase a vesarle la mano al anticristo digo al PAPA asi que porfavor Erudito del chisme largese y metase a banar =D
Dear Antonio
Thank you for your comments.
I have addressed many of your questions in previous blogs. In order for you to gain a better understanding of what I have been writing, you should have been reading my blogs from the beginning. (“A small error in the beginning is a huge error in the end”).
I really don’t care about the ring. I don’t wear a ring because the ring has no spiritual value. What good does it do to wear a ring if people are going to cheat with or without one. The ring contains no spiritual power, even if Jesus endorsed it in the parable of the Prodigal Son.
The bible says, “Your word I have hidden in my heart, that I might not sin against You.” (Psalm 119:11). This is your safeguard, not a ring.
The Apostolic Assembly must be prepared to preach a comprehensive gospel consistent with past biblical writers.
I have heard enough Apostolic sermons to conclude that most Apostolic preachers are untrained and unskilled in the art of biblical exposition.
The quote by Thomas Aquinas was to indicate that the Apostolic Assembly adopted a gospel of works (rather than grace). A system of works at the beginning will have severe implications in the end (As we are now observing).
My Dear Brother Antonio, you are too hung up on finding the list of “do’s” and “don’ts” (And so are many Apostolics). That’s how you end up a legalist. That list was nailed to the cross. If you want to find the right conduct as a Christian, seek what will bring the most glory to God.
Remember what Jude said, “Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 1:3).
Let’s don’t make things up as we go.
God Bless.
Antonio
One more thing.
Concerning your comment about being ‘out of context’.
Remember. A ‘text’ has only one interpretation, but it may have more that one application. When you (and others) say that certain things are taken out of context you have to see how the text is being applied.
When you say that a ‘text’ is out of context and it is being used metaphorically, you indicate that that is your preference and the deficiency of your training.
BE IT KNOWN HERE AND NOW !THE BLOG DATE OF DEC 22,9:28PM IS NOT,I SAID IS NOT, FROM ME ! RE:CAN I GIVE SOME TLC COMMENT"
MY LAST BLOG FOR THE NIGHT WAS AT 8:06PM and went to bed! do you think I would not have responded sooner? IF I WAS UP TO READ MORE OF THIS TRASH YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD FROM ME I ASSURE YOU! MARY CONFIRMS MY LAST COMMENT WAS AT 8:06 !REFLECTING HOW BAD AND NOW THIS MORNING HOW DANGEROUS BEING ON THIS SO CALLED "APOSTOLIC NEWS" IS !YOUR RIGHT "LITO" ESTOS NO SON APOSOLICOS !THERE WOLFS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING. NICE TRY MARY ! YOU GOT IT RIGHT AFTER THE 3RD TRY ! IMPERSONATING ME !!ANOTHER LIAR EXPOSED ! BUSTED!! REPENT LADY, EXCUSE ME, FOUL MOUTH WOMEN ? GET TOGETHER WITH OLDCBG, YOUR 2 OF A KIND. OUT OF THE ABONDENCE OF THE HEART ! THE FOUL MOUTH SPEAKS! IF YOU DONT REPENT, TRY HUM HUM YOUR WAY OUT OF HELL ! THIS FOUL MOUTH WOMEN CANT BE TRUSTED BLOGGERS! SHE MAY INPERSONATE YOU NEXT !PS,MARY I DIDNT EVEN GO TO CHURCH SUNDAY!I WAS HOME SICK! PSS. SHES MAD AT ME CAUSE I TOLD HER TO MIND HER OWN BUSS!!
Just what we don't need is a bunch of new-agers who just want their egos stroked. Aren't we living in troubled times where feathers can't be ruffled or sin can't be addressed.
Somebody needs to read chapter 12 of Hebrews. The church needs discipline, and God has placed pastor to do it in a godly way. Antonio, we treasure your experiences. Keep publishing them.
To: Chanfles, Love you in Christ! Thank you for calling me stupid and an idiot. Your comments toward me only reflect your lack of credibility not mine. You are threatened by the truths I speak.
To: Solo dei Gloria, sorry I haven't read your previous blogs. I scan some of the blogs from time to time but don't follow each one. Your point is well taken and I hope you understand the points I have made. There are many things that don't have spiritual value be we wear. Take for example a tie someone wears with their shirt.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that most people in the AA believe that the ring is wrong, except most of the leaders whom I have spoken to.
All the AA leaders I talked with the exception of about 5 of them don't believe in a lot of the stuff the push on us. That was my point.
I will conclude with my previous point.
MEN ON BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG!!!
Sorry...I meant men both in the AA and those who started the AWA are wrong.
The reason is posted in my previous blog!
Ive been reading through all of this just to find out what came of Maffeys court date in early Dec But there is so much to scan thru. WOW..... Bottom line is we are all sinners saved by Gods grace. Unfourtunately Maffeys sins are illegal as well. He deserves all that is at hand. U dont resign from your position in ur church if you are not guilty. He knew what was happening they were on to him and he was busted.
It is very sad but maybe as many of the other bloggers said it is a wake up call for all the AA. All of them who for years taught Apostolic doctrine is the way to heaven. That would be a pretty tiny heaven. Apostolics are no better than the other Christian. Just like in the New test how the uncircumsized was no better than the circumsized cause God came to free us all. I was born and raised in the AA till hmmmm 18. I went to all the ELA camps w/Bro Maffey LOL, LA camp, skate partys and ohhhh the end of the year BIG BASH CONVENTION. I had a great fun time!As I made my own mistakes i realized I never had a relationship with God. It was all a show. I never was taught the true meaning of my Salvation or what it really was to be saved. I wore the long skirts, the veil and walked around pale faced, But what about my inner self. The AA focuses too much on the outer appearance. I have so many friends that grew up with me in the 90's that are now so lost. They were so restricted from the outside world that the minute they had the chance they ran away as far as possible. All the AA strictness did was lead them to rebel and to a road of destruction. We need to teach our children the ways of our Lord and they shall never depart. TEACH is the word with the love of God. Our example is the best. We teach them not scare them to God. I am not perfect just as you are not....But I know who I am in God. In my 30 years Ive made many mistakes in my life but God has made everything into somthing beautiful. God is amazing!!!
Thanks Nevaeh!!!
That was fantastic.
God Bless!!!
Lil Artie (TLC)
give it up already!! your posts are getting tired and your talking to people who have known or known of Tafoya as the crook he is. He's crooked and thats that.
-C
Its amazing to see how many parents within just about any church organization that do not take time to TEACH their children the ways of the Lord. It is not the full responsibility of the church to instruct the children as well as youth. The church may teach and preach doctrinal standards, but the resposibility falls on the parents. So, you can't totally place blame on the pastor or the church because someone gets lost.
Deut. 6:6-7 "And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt TEACH them DILIGENTLY unto THY children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
So quit blaming the church and pastors. Its time the parents step up to the plate and take full resposibility of your children instead of letting the television, xboxes, and other things to be the teachers.
WHO LOVES YA TLC...............JESUS....HUM HUM ... AND USE BLOGERS....
OR SHOULD I SAY WHO LOVES YA ..LITTLE ARTIE..(TLC)HUM..HUM..
Please pray for Bishop Joseph Rodriguez, Jr. who is diagnosed with terminal cancer.
TLC,
I don't care who you are nor that are you defending Tafoya. I can honestly say that I wish this was not happening to him or to any other person. Our purpose is to win souls and to bring restoration to those who are not in Gods will. As I mention in prior blogs, I’m not endorsing the AA because I do admit that there has BEEN corruption in this administration and in the PAST administration as well. (That includes Baldemar Rodriquez)
I'm not saying that Baldemar Rodriquez was a part of it but he knew that Art Tafoya was not right. Here are my points to you TLC:
1) Those checks to his kids of $700 are true. Even his buddy in crime (Gabriel Uriarte) was throwing him under the bus before he got caught having sexual relationships with one of his youth. You forgot to mention that all the money that was collected in camps was giving to Tafoya before camps ended. Not A. Garcia. This is a fact, ask any past board members ( The Montenegro’s)
2) I would be naive if I didn’t give Art Tafoya credit. That doesn't mean that because he did 2-3 things right his administration was a success. Does he still have the same statement (2000 members in 2 years?) He has about 50 members at this moment but of course that’s in half now because his own brother SPLIT the church...hhmm..
O yea, please tell Christy to stop calling people to join their congregation, do you think that people with the right mind would join them?? That's why the child molester Uriarte is with them.
3) Why didn't you reject the other statements about (watching pornography at night) or the club hopping on Fridays and Saturday nights before ministering on Sunday? Is it because you were a part of those events?
As a follower that it seems that you are, please ASK Tafoya why he sent a letter to the President of the AA before convention...
I'm sorry if I sound harsh on this man but just like King Saul, Tafoya started good but ended his administration in bad terms. I’m just calling it like I see it.
Even after all that I hope the Tafoya the best in 2009; I hope no ill will on them.
“He who conceals his sins does not prosper,
but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy."
Proverbs 28:13
Merry Christmas and God bless all!
TLC your nuts man! Did I ever say that I was perfect? I wish the Tafoya the best in 2009, I hope that they are growing like you say that they are but we know that this isn’t true. Answer me this, why have most of the members that left with Tafoya are now back in Glendale? You keep bringing out the statement which I said that they had “two treasures in their church”. You are correct about that statement, but why is it that the incoming treasure did not know the balance of the account? And that the outgoing treasure was a family member? I guess you didn’t know that did you? Check this out, I’m not going to post anymore because I already spoke my mind, I don’t need to bring any evidence because quite frankly I’m not the one being accused of this. I have some advice for Art Tafoya, if you are truly innocent as you say and your followers say you are. Why don’t you speak out? Why are you hiding? Why did you leave the AA? Like I said in pervious posts, if I was truly innocent I would try everything in my power to prove my innocents. Your silence is leading people to believe that you are guilty of all of the accusation against you.
Also, I think that is funny that he you don’t touch on other topics like, Tafoya’s kids and nephew stealing the drums, bass, piano and 2 wireless microphones. Also, how he took the $10,000 dollars from GCC and left them with $0.79.
Merry Christmas to all! It was nice blogging with everyone.
TLC, I’m sorry if I have offended you in any way but I stand for truth . Serve the Lord not man because when this life is over we are going to give account to the Lord not man, I know that I’m not perfect but I was told as a kid, “ If it acted like a cat, if it smell like a cat and is they lived like a cat…… most likely they were a cat.”
Merry X-mas! I wonder what they are serving Barrientos in county jail today. Some county jail ham with a side of chon chon. lol
Why are you delaying your visit Ricardo Maffey? You know your guilty as sin.
Just cop a plea bargain and do your time.
Dont make the them love starved jail bird vatos wait till after Valentines Day....
With you and Isaac Gutierrez, its an apostolic 2 for 1 chon chon special! lol
Merry X-Mas!
santa claus alert...
jeffrey aguilar has been designated the pastor of houston #1, texas the church that had been pastored by bishop guillermo mendoza.
what signal is the gb giving to all?
I thought that Bro. Sanchez did not want the sons to inherit the churches but I guess that only applies to everyone else and not the Board members children.
Every thing from A to Z only applies to everyone else.
They can get away with everything, and do.
AA has a culture & promotes a Cain like hype(a brother killing spirit)
by it's leaders @ the very top that
MUST be stopped and squelched by us
that desire to see justice, peace &
righteousness prevail in our world!
"Have You Heard . . .?"
The Plague of Gossip in the Body of Christ
By Jon Zens
Bob Mumford once said, "The Christian army is the only one that shoots its wounded."
Regrettably, I have observed his statement to be all too true.
As long as I've been a Christian I have watched friends and their families undergo untold pain and hurt because of the incredible power of gossip and slander. Years ago we were traveling and after speaking in a church a brother came up to me and said, "I heard that you had quit teaching in churches and took up potato farming." How and why such a rumor got started is anybody's guess! This rumor was fairly innocuous, but imagine the untold harm done by vicious judgments on the life and character of others.
In this article, I would like to address this issue head-on. My hope is to raise the awareness of my brothers and sisters in Christ on this matter, so that we all will better follow the Lord's teachings regarding our speech about and actions toward others.
What exactly is gossip?
Gossip is second or third hand information that someone dumps on you without your prior consent and without the consent of the person being gossiped about. Gossip can be true, partially true, or completely false. It can be motivated by good intentions, but it's always negative personal information about another that puts them in a bad light.
What is slander?
The Bible defines slander as accusatory speech that is injurious to a person's name and reputation. It's essentially character assassination . . . the act of smearing someone. Gossip and slander color people's perceptions of an individual unfairly and unjustly without their knowledge or consent. One major component in both of these sins is that the person being torn down is out of the loop. Talebearers usually avoid speaking directly to the one they are demeaning.
I will admit that I have listened to gossip in the past. At the time, the thought never occurred to me how deeply a person and their family could be hurt when someone attacks their character without their knowledge or consent.
It seems that most people who spread gossip never think about this. Nor do they realize that what they're doing is engaging in gossip and slander. (Some people, of course, who intend to smear another human being know exactly what they're doing. Many Christians, however, naively spread gossip without realizing what sort of destruction it brings in the lives of others.)
For this reason, I have raised a standard in my life. To the best of my ability, I always evaluate people based on my first-hand experience with them, not on what someone else tells me about them - for the obvious reason that second-hand information can be very misleading and inaccurate (sad to say, I haven't always lived up to this standard in the past).
Gossip and slander violate the Lord's own maxim: "Treat others the way you want to be treated." If anyone has suffered the agony of being gossiped about, they understand the force of those words. No one wishes to be the subject of gossip and slander. There are few things so hurtful.
One of the problems is that gossip and slander seem innocent and they often come to us subtly. One doesn't have to be operating in malice to be guilty of gossip and slander. Again, the motive is irrelevant. Spreading negative or shameful information about another person is contrary to walking in love. Love "thinks no evil" and "believes the best of others" (1 Cor. 13).
What does gossip and slander usually sound like? It usually begins with something like, "Did you hear about such and such . . ." The rest of it goes on to put an individual in a shameful or negative light. A.W. Tozer had these powerful words of advice about the sin of gossip:
Never pass anything on about anybody else that will hurt him. "Love covers a multitude of sins" (1 Peter 4:8). The talebearer has no place in God's favor. If you know something that would hinder or hurt the reputation of one of God's children, bury it forever. Find a little garden out back -- a little spot somewhere -- and when somebody comes around with an evil story, take it out and bury it and say, "Here lies in peace the story about my brother." God will take care of it. "With what judgment you judge, you shall be judged."
If you want God to be good to you, you are going to have to be good to His children. You say, "But that's not grace." Well, grace gets you into the kingdom of God. That is unmerited favor. But after you are seated at the Father's table, He expects to teach you table manners. And He won't let you eat unless you obey the etiquette of the table. And what is that? The etiquette of the table is that you don't tell stories about the brother who is sitting at the table with you -- no matter what his denomination, or nationality, or background (from Five Vows for Spiritual Power).
So what should we do if we hear a rumor about someone else?
If we are in conversation with a person and they begin to express words that put another brother or sister in a bad light, we have a responsibility to interrupt such speech and exhort them to speak directly with the person they are criticizing. If an email containing gossip is sent to us, we should disregard the content and ask the sender to go to the one being spoken against. In all circumstances, as much as lies with us, we should not be a party to gossip and we should confront those spreading evil speech. We must not forget that matters of concern about others must be confirmed with witnesses (Matt.18:16), and others should only be notified if the person refuses to repent - which means they refuse to stop their sinning. We sin by entertaining accusations against others that have not been confirmed by witnesses, or that have already been repented of. It is sinful to spread information about the past sins of others when they are already under the blood of Christ.
In addition to the above, we should go to the person being targeted and make them aware of it. We should then ask for them to confirm or correct it. This is the loving thing to do. Think about it: If someone was spreading something negative about you, would you not want to be made aware of it? Again, love treats others the way we wish to be treated.
It's not good enough to ask the gossiper if they've spoken to the person gossiped about. In my experience, oftentimes a person spreading the gossip will say "yes," but when I've tracked down the person being gossiped about, they will deny having had such a conversation. Or the conversation really wasn't a conversation at all. Nothing can replace going directly to the person being spoken about.
Whenever we hear gossip, we should consider these questions: "Would I want someone talking about me like this? How would my family feel about this? My spouse, my mother, my father, my children, my best friends?" (These thoughts are typically never considered when a person listens to or spreads gossip about another individual.)
Have you ever noticed that speech that tears others down travels like a brush fire, but news of repentance and restoration seems to move along at a snail's pace? Why is it that we often immediately believe and embrace negative assessments of people, but reports of repentance, change, or the dispelling of a false rumor are met with skepticism? As believers, the exact opposite should be our practice: we should be hesitant to entertain and skeptical of adverse words about others, and quick to rejoice in and embrace news of the dispelling of a rumor or another's repentance!
Satan's nature is to accuse. He is called the "accuser of the brethren" (Rev. 12). In fact, the word "Satan" means adversary, and the word "devil" literally means "slanderer." That should say volumes to us. One sister noted these warning signs of a spirit of accusation:
**Being suspicious of others
**Having bitterness toward others
**Being easily offended without cause
**Having envy and jealousy toward others
**Believing the worst about others
**Exaggerating the offenses of others
**Refusing fellowship with a person after they have changed
**Holding people to their past failures
**Imposing our perfectionism standards on others
**Basing harsh judgments on misunderstandings without seeking clarification
**Judging others for misbehaviors that we are prone to
**Becoming the Holy Spirit for others
**Using others as a scapegoat
**Tearing down others so we look better
**Bringing skeletons out of the closet
**Being unsatisfied with any amount of confession and sorrow from another
(Marsha Fisher, "Accusation," Be In Health Conference, April 29, 2008, Thomaston GA)
Further, the union of Christ with his people should certainly give us reason for great caution with our words about fellow believers. Paul said in Romans 14:15, "Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died." I think we are also warranted in saying, "Do not by your words destroy your brother or sister for whom Christ died." It is a very serious matter to hurt anyone in Christ's little flock (Luke 17:1-4).
A careful reading of the Bible shows the destructive nature of gossip and slander. It says, "The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man's inmost parts" (Prov. 18:8, 26:22). Gossip is likened unto poison that once someone drinks, they cannot get out of their system. And it always separates people. Even close friends and loved ones.
Put another way, gossip not only damages the person being gossiped about, but it also damages the person hearing the gossip, for it causes them to judge the other unfairly.
Consider these texts prayerfully:
"A perverse person stirs up dissension, and a gossip separates close friends" (Prov. 16:28).
"Without wood a fire goes out; without gossip a quarrel dies down" (Prov. 26:22). "He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a fool" (Prov. 10:18).
"Brethren, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it" (James 4:11).
"The tongue has the power of life and death . . . " (Prov. 18:21).
"The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell" (James 3:6).
"Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all people" (Tit 3:1-2).
"Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice" (Eph. 4:31).
"Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy hill? He whose walk is blameless and who does what is righteous, who speaks the truth from his heart and has no slander on his tongue, who does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman" (Psalm. 15:1-3).
In conclusion, the next time you hear a rumor, go to the person being rumored about. And never spread something about another person without talking to them first and having an open mind to hear their heart. Unconfirmed notions about others should not be spread abroad.
In the pursuit of mutual edification and peace, our mouths play a very important role. Our words should be carefully chosen, and designed to build up, not to destroy (Eph. 4:29.31; 5:4; Col. 3:8,16; James 3:10; 1 Pet. 4:11). We must "slander no one" (Tit. 3:2), and be ready always to speak a good word about our brothers and sisters in Christ. In the human realm, words are most often the spark that leads to wars and atrocities, and there is a parallel in the realm of the church, for "if you keep on biting and devouring each other" with hurtful and damaging words, "you will be destroyed by each other" (Gal. 5:15).
Peace and goodwill to all people...
porq
Thank you for the time you put into your writing. So true.
Speak good and not evil.
It's time to rebuild and not tear down our brothers.
GOD Bless you for that
Justice_wil_prevail:
I hope and pray that this rumor is not true, and if it is, someone please tell Jeffrey Aguilar that he better check himself.
If I could ask Jeff, I would ask him the following:
1) Are you taking ABC Church because you are being asked to by the GB? or...
2) Has God called you to Pastor in Houston, TX. If God called you to Pastor in Houston, why ABC - when there are so many people that can be reached in a non-conventional/traditional way?
I guess it's easier to take-over a church with it's nice facilities, salary, etc.
Aqui nomas pensando... Que carria le van a dar al Jefritos! Ruego a Dios que no queme sus puentes en California porque en Tejas, estan las cosas "color hormiga".
Una cosa si les garantizo y esa es que hay muchos "tacos al pastor" y "chorizo" en Tejas.
Bueno, los dejo rascandome la cabeza!
Esperemos que sea solo rumor lo de jeff aguilar,en Houston hay capacitada. y hay un abismo grande entre el Pastor Mendoza y este jovensuelo.
Hope is just a rumor about jeff aguilar, in houston there is some ministers that can do a terrific job. There is a big hole between this young man aguilar and bro. Mendoza.
If the story is true about Jeff. It is just another vote for the DGB in 2010.
Instead of rigging the election like they did in 2006.
They are appointing Pastors that will owe them, and have to vote the way they are tolded to VOTE. That way it won't look so disgraceful when Edward won with only 2 votes in 2006.
GOD IS JUSTICE.
amigo mio,la razon por la cual yo "lito" escribi en su blog DEC. 23 del precente, es porque me fue comunicado con el descaro en que UDS. en su blog se comunican en referencia de sus lacras de movimientos.
No crea que me gusta estar perdiendo mi tiempo en charlas superfas de movimientos estupidos.
Movimientos que almismo tiempo le dan repudio a DIOS. Y si, como usd. ya lo pronuncio NUESTRA EMINENCIA BENEDITO XVI, ES EL LIDER ESPIRITUAL DE LA UNICA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA UNIVERSAL.
Creo pues que mas bien tengo que ser prudente, pues al entrar en asuntos de aclaraciones teologicas y leyes ecclesiasticas puedo llegar muy lejos. Usd.estan aogados en un vaso de agua, pues muchos de sus lideres charlatanes ignorantes creen y lo afirman que su movimiento empezo en la famoza calle ASUZA o en LOS HECHOS. Nosaben sus principios, pues al no poder contestar tal incognita, optaron por crear la famoza "corporacion", como si le tienen que dar cuenta de negocios a la "IRS". Ahora si hablamos de leyes ECCLESIASTICAS EPISCOPALES usds. tienen la polvora muy mojada. Para terminar prefiero comunicar con personas calificadas en el asunto. gracias.
Let's get back on track!
ON ART TAFOYA:
Who cares that Tafoya took a little bit of money. He was the pastor for many years and I am sure he had a lot of personal money tied up in the church.
I think they should have split the money and allow them to have some of the PA equipment and musical instruments. In other words...bless them.
ON JEFF AGUILAR:
So what, let him pastor in Houston. I actually think it is a good move. There may be many qualified but he has been a great leader. Favoritism? Probably, but he will do well.
ON THE 2006 ELECTIONS:
There is a very slim chance that the California court of appeals will ever overturn the verdict rendered in this AA case.
ON AWA:
They are having a regional conference in January at Baldemar's church in California. Anyone attending?
Yes
many of us will be attending.
It is not the churches fault or the doctrine but its leaders and the next crop of leaders may not be any better. So yes, many of will be attending.
What do you mean, it not the doctrine's fault? Sound doctrine would not produce unsound leaders.
Does the UPC have a sound doctrine?
Does the Iglesia have a sound doctrine?
Does the AA have a sound doctrine?
Does the PAW have a sound doctrine?
Does the AWA have a sound doctrine?
Just because you have a sound doctrine doesn't mean that the leaders will be sound leaders!
People are flawed. Man was flawed since Adam.
Do you remember Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, David, Peter?
Don't blame doctrine!
My point is simply this...Tafoya and those members that worked there gave a lot to Glendale. What they took was very minor in comparison to what they left. A church building with property that was almost completely paid for.
I mean, what is the big deal?
When Zuniga left the AA in L.A. he vacated the premises clear of any sound equipment, musical instruments, chairs...etc... He then turned the keys over to the district bishop. Zuniga left them with a building and they still had a large mortgage.
Tafoya did much better by leaving the AA with property that was almost completely paid off!!
FYI, I am not necessarily a Tafoya fan...but let's be real.
STOP THE PETTY FIGHTING ABOUT TAFOYA.
He may have operated as a dictator...but what bishop hasn't? Very few that have been good people, very few!!!!!
It is seldom I read these blogs because so much of what is stated is simply untrue or very biased. However, I cannot remain quiet when I see such naive individuals attempting to condone Bro. Tafoya's actions which can be construed as nothing short of "Stealing". These individuals have no idea what they're talking about and they certainly are not privy to the truth as I and many others are who are not only members of the church but also involved in the day to day financial activities and reports. Here are the facts:
1. Tafoya did have two separate treasurers; one to make daily payments and one who took possession of the money & who balanced the books. The one who issued payments never knew if the money showing on the books was in fact the amount that actually came in.
2. As for the notion that the pastor did a lot for the church and as such he was entitled to a few perks, this is a very foolish statement. Since when does stealing become okay?
All of the instruments and equipment did not come from Bro. Tafoya's home but in fact were paid for by church funds. Bro. Tafoya was authorized use of a credit card for which the church issued payments. Perhaps one can try and justify his actions by arguing that the card was in his name. However, the church agreed to allow him to buy the equipment with this card and to pay the credit card invoices. This by any Court of our land would be considered church property; they were never purchased for the pastor but for the church.
3. As for the statement that Bro Tafoya left Glendale a church that was almost paid for, how naive is the person who made this statement. The church was refinanced at least once and perhaps twice by Bro. Tafoya for alleged remodeling. However, come into the church and you will clearly see that the hundreds of thousands borrowed are not invested into the church. The current existing loan on this church thanks to Bro Tafoya is almost $400,000. Please do not blog back calling me a liar; I know what I'm talking about as I and many others sat in on the meetings involving the current financial status of the church as well as the signed agreements in which the church agreed to make payments on this credit card which was to be used for church business and purchases and not personal massages for the pastors wife (verified through invoices), new insulation on the pastors home (also verified through invoices), $60,000 a year salary completely separate from the requirements the pastor insisted on of monthly payments for new cars for him, his wife and kids as well as car insurance payments of $1000 per month for car insurance on all drivers which he insisted on separate from his salary. In fact, there can be no dispute that not only did he insist on the above, Bro Tafoya even insisted that the church issue payments for his personal tithes owed so that he wouldn't have to pay them from his salary. There is so much more my dear brothers so please don't pretend you're right in what you blog; you are wrong. The facts I state are correct.
You can use whatever scripture supports your position but the Truth is the Truth! The writer's objective was not to say cruel things but to set the record straight; too many erroneous statements are being made on this blog site. Yes Bro Art will someday stand before God as we all will. The writer's intent was not to incite anger but simply to set the record straight as to the truth. If you chose not to believe his facts, so be it.
To TLC & Casualobserver:
You guys/girls are fighting about stuff that doesn't make sense.
Casualobserver...you just made my point. Let me explain...
Zuniga left L.A. church building with an approximate mortgage of $8,000,000.00 dollars. (did you count the zero's?)
Any church in the AA that has a mortgage of less than $1,000,000.00dollars is in excellent financial shape!
Just a few months ago the AA offices started calling churches who had mortgages under $1,000,000.00 dollars because they wanted to finance them to raise cash. They asked many pastors to sign off on this and many were not in agreement. Guess what the AA did? They refinanced them anyways.
So by the AA standards or for that matter any financial standards having a $400,000 mortgage is excellent. Most Californians personal property is around that much and pay that between a husband and a wife.
You also indicate that Tafoya was making $60,000 a year. That is extremely low when you consider the GB pastors. They are making more around $120,000 a year plus the GB double dips by getting a separate salary from the AA for being on the GB (the UPC frowns on this and requires their GB to resign from their church pastorate). You are not privy to the type of information that I have been exposed to. I have seen many pastor's and churches financial statements. Most churches give their pastor's a salary and also pay for their mortgage, telephone, insurance, business meals,etc...(this gives the church the opportunity to write these expenses off for tax purposes).
TLC: You are probably a family member of Tafoya.
You don't have to try to take this personal.
Tafoya was a tuff bishop he was close to a tyrant. But most bishop's are tyrant's because they get to do the GB's dirty work. Look at Lugo from the Interior district.
Back to Tafoya and stealing:
If back in 2005 Tafoya said "I am going to donate all our musical instruments, PA system and $10,000 dollars to a minister and family from Glendale who is starting a new church". No one would be questioning this. Well Tafoya basically did the same thing, he figured he was taking what was probably paid for by himself and many of the people who were joining him and yet he was only leaving a $400,000 mortgage for the church. NOT BAD!
I say "Bless Tafoya", he didn't steal. Zuniga did the same thing, the only difference is we have a video of Zuniga in his empty church and telling the district that we paid for this and we took it. Zuniga gave the AA the keys to the church and a $8,000,000.00 million dollar mortgage.
Do you also consider Zuniga a thief?
TAFOYA IS NO WORSE THAN DAN SANCHEZ, SAM VALVERDE OR EDDIE PACHECO.
To acasualobserber,
Like you I myself seldom read these blogs because much of what is stated is very biased. However, I cannot also remain quiet when I see such individuals as TLC attempting to paint Bro. Tafoya as a man of integrity. You're exactly right, these individuals have no idea what they're talking about because they are not privy to the truth.
I too was a members of Glendale Apostolic Church, the name of the church prior to Tafoya changing it! I was there when Salomon was the pastor and founder. I was there when Romo took it over. I was there when Marrufo took it over from Romo. And there when Tafoya took it over from Marrufo.
Let me tell you, the last two pastoral administrations in Glendale (Marrufo & Tafoya were very troubled and divisive)! I remember sitting in the last business meeting before Tafoya took over Glendale (Tafoya was not there), and the business report showed that the church owed a mortgage balance of $69,000 dollars.
As you can see I was shocked when I learned that the new mortgage balance is in the hundred's of thousands. (By the way TLC I can't post the financial report on "Apostolicassembly.info" because the web master for that site is one of Tafoya's buddies).
The reason I finally left Glendale church when Tafoya was pastor after Salomon, Romo, and Marrufo, was because I personally witness many discrepancies, misuse of funds, and irregularities in the financial reports presented to the membership.
TLC, I don't hate the man but please you're making yourself look really bad trying to defend a man whose reputation as a man who destroyed ministries and pastors without any remorce or mercy is well documented in Arizona!
Thank the Lord I moved on to another church, and my teenage children DID NOT get to see this man in operation, otherwise they would have been turned off by the church and more than likely left!
Again, like acasualobserver said, "
You can use whatever scripture supports your position but the Truth is the Truth!" My objective IS NOT to say cruel things about the man but to set the record straight. I WAS THERE FOR 10 YEARS TLC, please STOP making so many erroneous statements on this blog. May God bless you!
To a casualobserver and oldtimerGAC:
I feel you pain! Tafoya was a tyrant and he hurt many pastor's, no doubt. Shame on him, he will give account for this.
My only point is that the current GB is no better...Tafoya learned from the best of them, Dan Sanchez, Sam Valverde(his best buddy), Ed Pacheco.
Dan Sanchez & Sam Valverde went after Tafoya once Tafoya started asking questions about the 2006 elections.
Because they were busted...so they retaliated in order to save their $$ and behinds.
Once again, having a mortgage of $400,000 is peanuts for a congregation of more than 4 people. Most Californians have a mortgage close to that and pay it between 2 people.
Dan Sanchez receives $7,000 from his church and house mortgage, telephone and insurance. He also recieves another $7500 from the AA for being on the GB. Plus he gets his car paid, meal expenses, travel expenses to exotic lands. He is easily in the $200,000 yearly salary range.
Sam Valverde is actually making more money than all of them. His church salary is $8500 plus another $7500 from the AA, all business meals, car, insurance and mortgage. He is in the $250,000 yearly salary range.
So Tafoya learned from the best.
By the way, these are facts... I have seen the financial statements of these men and many more pastor's.
Brother Tafoya was not any worse than most of the GB.
Don't be a Tafoya hater, be a AA and AWA system hater!
TLC...You're not going to change anyones mind be condemning their opinions. By you commenting on every single comment that is made about the Tafoya's is adding more fuel to the fire. Is that what you want?
Antonio, on your comment:
"TAFOYA IS NO WORSE THAN DAN SANCHEZ, SAM VALVERDE OR EDDIE PACHECO."
And this is what this whole mess is about - AN ADMINISTRATION THAT LAUGHED AT THE AA PASTORS BY IGNORING THEIR VOTE. . . AND WE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEIR LAVISH LIFESTYLES!
How sad that instead of looking up to our leaders on the gb we should use the gb as an BAD example THAT WE SHOULD NOT FOLLOW.
Antonio! With all due respect YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT!
The point is this, if Tafoya is no different than Sanchez, valverde, and PAcheco, then why would the AWA allow a man who is just like Sanches on their board of directors.
These writers ARE NOT "Tafoya haterS" AS YOU STATE! But only telling the truth about a man who is on leadership position in the AWA! DON'T hate the system! Man manipulates the system to his advantage. The only truth you have said is that Tafoya is no different than Sanchez, Valverde, and Pacheco. However, Tafoya's position in the AWA brings to question the wisdom and judgement of the new organization! God Bless!
If you don't mind I'd like to chime in here in regards to A. Tafoya.
First, let me say that I have been witness to the dictatorship that A. Tafoya brought to Arizona.
I have been witness to his iron fist and running off of his fellow pastors. Before he was Bishop they were his fellow pastors. Once he became bishop the power did in fact go to his head. Now he is no longer part of the fellowship.
However in all fairness, if you talk to him today he will tell you exactly that. He was consumed by a thirst for money and power, misguided by a prideful spirit. He is now broken, humbled and apologetic.
(By the way TLC, you are not doing A. Tafoya any favors. You should stop with your incoherent ramblings.)
I do not know for certain how the money was handled. I am sure there were more than 2 treasurers. Their were also district treasurers, youth treasurers, mens, womens, music treasurers at the local and district levels. There is an audit that took place, this should disclose what, if anything, is accounted for and what is not accounted for. If he did steal, the the AA GB should seek restitution, if he did not the AA GB should not stay silent and say that he is not a thief.
The first thing the GB does when taking over a church is go after the finances, and then maybe later they will worry about the members needs and lastly souls. If there were misappropriated funds they will find it and if they don't they will spread rumors about it. It is kind of what we are seeing here.
Pastors are always perceived as taking perks. People in the AA are bred to believe that the pastor is a infallible. However, perks are not wrong.
Please remember, it was the district of AZ and national board that purchased the campgrounds. Not Tafoya alone. I did witness the fact that when the facilities where purchased he spent a good amount of his own money for the campgrounds, knowing that the district funds did not have enough money for various items. Instruments were purchased by him personally, however they were always used in the church not at his home.
And since he did purchase them with his credit cards, NO court in the land would consider this church property. If I buy a computer and use it at my workplace, when I leave my workplace my employer has not claim to my computer. The contents thereof may be a different story.
As for the $400,000 note on the church...if I remember correctly he took over this broken church with less than 15 people who had just basically thrown out Bro. Marrufo. (But that is another sad story).
A. Tafoya did not own the property and did not refinance the property. The AA GB held and still holds title to the property. The AA GB refinanced the property to facilitate the purchase of the two adjacent properties. Now the AA owns all the properties from Marlette on the south, to Stella on the North, 51st Ave on the east and 50th Drive on the east.( http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.529952,-112.167937&spn=0.002075,0.001845&t=h&z=18 )
A. Tafoya just made sure the church kept making the payments.
In my opinion this purchase was essential to the growth of the church, regardless who the pastor is...provided the pastor has a vision for growth.
If you are going to tell us that you sat there while he "REQUIRED" all these payments be made to him and for his family then you are the bigger idiot my friend. Because I know for a fact that he surrounded himself with yes men and lambe's. You sat there and said nothing hoping your king would pat you on the head. Now that he is gone, all your lambeness is gone and you've found it in your self to start slinging mud.
It is important that we do follow in the legacy that he left the AZ District. That we do not run off our fellow brothers, that we do not kick them when they are down. That we do not ostracize dis-fellowed brothers.
What a great show of love to tell someone who has hurt you, I'm not going to do you what you did to so many people. I am going to pray for you, I am going to love you despite of what you have done. I am going to show you mercy. I am going to show you how god commanded that we love our neighbors.
Oh yea, I forgot, our pride will get in the way, just as it did with him.
As prideful and power hungry he got, he had to be broken for God to continue to use him. As did so many men of the bible and in our time. Only time will tell if truly has a contrite spirit. Time will reveal the true character of any man...even our own.
JC
Maybe Tafoya started out with the AWA with a clean slate. Looks like no one has a higher position than the other so maybe he's been brought down a notch and humbleness has a way of dealing with people.
JUST DON'T BE LIKE THE GB! They're the ones we should worry about. They are the tyrants still in power.
Don't be like Daniel Sanchez, AA President, don't be like Sam Valverde, AA VP and for sure DON'T BE LIKE e. pacheco!
Well said Johnnie Cochran.
Caminando,
He hasn't been brought down a notch, he has taken a nose dive. He knows he did wrong, he's hurt. We can keep kicking a horse while he is down or we can...maybe show compassion and love. He is still a person, a changed person at that.
To the OldtimerfromGAC,
if you where there when Maruffo was there(there was less than 15), then you must be one of the trouble makers that ran off Bro. Maruffo. That man gave his whole life to God's work and nothing for himself only to be kicked around and drug through the mud in his old age.
No wonder you've come back for to do some more kicking. Have you not learned anything in your life time? Have you not learned anything in Sunday School? Or are you old school?
Give Love a Chance,
JC
Right, and I think admitting that you have done wrong is the first and most important step.
The gb has yet to take that first step. They may never! As long as people turn a blind eye to their wrongdoings they will continue to rule and live in luxury with the hermanos tithes! No economic crisis for them!
Johnnie Cochran I was paying attention until you spoke out of line! I was there when Marrufo was moved to Cashion, and the reason given by the GB was that there was no more FUNDS! The fact of the matter is Marrufo was moved from Glendale to Cashion because he was accussed of improperly touching the sisters! An accusation that also surfaced while he was in Chile as missionary!
And for your further information there wasn't 15 people left in Glendale when Tafoya took over, there was more like 150. So please don't speak about things you know nothing about! The Glendale church was healthy when Romo left it, and Marrufo brought it down IN JUST ONE YEAR.
Pleeaaassse go someplace else with your assumptions I WAS THERE!
So, Maruffo "imporperly" touched women while in Chile when he was a Missionary.
Does this mean he did it "Missionary Style"?
Wow! I've been out for a little while.
I dont know about all the details spoken here. RE: Glendale church. I have visited the Glendale church way back when Saloman was there. I remember how well members spoke about the church back then and their pastor. I thought I was going to see a really nice church. I saw a shell of a building. The building was not impressive. I am not saying anything ill of Saloman. Never mind the building, I saw a busy church full of souls.
I have visited on other occasians. Most recent as a few months ago. The churched was kept well. Many improvments many. I will not go in to details, except for it was well taken care of from the floor to the ceiling.
Obviously many are upset about the dealings of the GB. As it seems it goes way back well before 2006. I think it has only been brought to the fore front only now because of 2006. I see now that the system that the AA has is wrong. It gives room for all of these bad situations.
I've been saved and in the AA proudly for more than 40 years. I grew up in the Assembly. I love all my brethern and hold mostly only good memories. It is now I see that system is fallible. The church however is moving on.
I now see when I look back how wrong the dealings have been. There is so much to say here but I will reserve myself to this. I have known for awhile that the HQ refinanced through my present church. The amount of $350,000 I know for a fact that amount did not come to our local church. I know some of it did, not more than $100,000 for what I feel was legit. I or we as a congregation did not know it was a bigger amount. We were only told of the lesser amount. This is wrong.
I do not in any way condemn my brothers, but the system. It is obvious that it needs to change. Have these leaders covit these postions because of money? I'm sure not all.
I am loooking to the AWA for that change. So far it looks like the way it is set up it will not be the same. I am giving these brothers the benefit of the doubt. It seems as tho they see the errors of the previous system and want it to change. As we all know there is need for change.
The church continues and I pray you all continue in the Lord.
I dont care anymore of what is past, only what is present and future. I dont want to tear my brother down, only lift up the name of Jesus.
Revolutionaries for JESUS!!!
God Bless You and Peace brothers!
PS: I can hold my held up high and can say I have not torn any of my brothers down.
The big difference between the AA and AWA is that the structure is set-up to not allow for abuse from the GB.
In the AA, the HQ owns the church property and can fire a pastor.
In the AWA, the local church organizes, incorporates itself and owns the property and set's it's own bylaws. In the AWA they only subscribe to the statement of faith of the organazation. Much like the UPC.
If a pastor steps out of line, the GB can revoke their license and disfellowship them but cannot take the church property away. That is left to the local elder's board.
In this manner there is not a spirit of dictatorship at the top. As a GB member in the AWA you have to be more humble and try to keep all the pastor's within the organazation in harmony. Much like the UPC.
So as far as Tafoya goes...being a part of the AWA? His wings have already been clipped. The AWA is already set-up to reduce the types of abuses happening in the AA.
Not much to fear in joining the AWA! I am considering it except that I desire to fight the AA from within! Keep your enemies close...if you know what I mean.
Okay I understand Oldtimer and all the other points but you realize that you are just as bad as tafoya every envious person is going to attack these men from every side because they did one thing that most everyone in here has not they stood up took a hit and many of you all that are talking about theese men are still members in the AA Hoping to one day climb up the social chain.
Many of you all are so pathetic you live like the Pharises and now your laws and man made regulations
are falling apart at the seams.
Johnny,
If Art Tafoya has changed and has admitted to his mistake that is great for him. I have forgiven him but like he once told me before he kicked out Deion Fowler, “I will never forget!” I wish the Tafoya family the best and hopefully he is committed to winning souls for God’s kingdom. I have nothing against him or his family, even tough he treated many people like dirt. I hope that he does have a prosper year in 2009.
TLC,
You’re my friend are blind and don’t take wise advise. Please do me a favor and look at Jesus Christ and not at man or an organization. If you do that you are not going to get hurt by any comments that are posted. I’m sorry if I have offended you in any way, shape or form. I don’t pretend to be perfect but I do have issues with some of your points. If he’s 100% innocent, tell him to SPEAK OUT! His silence is lading people to believe that he is in fact guilty.
He did purchased a lot of things in his credit card because he wanted to get some extra miles in flights’. Many of his church purchased were made with his credit card but was later paid with the church money. So no, he didn’t paid for the instruments with HIS money but with the churches money. He also claimed that he bought a lot of music equipment for the camp that to this day is nowhere to be found. I have more to say but I will no longer bash on him anymore.
To everyone else,
My prayers is that everyone has a save new years and a blessed 2009! May the Lord blessed the AWA,AA, UPC and the P of W organizations. That we continue to win souls for the Lord before his coming.
God bless and lets us shine in 2009!
TLC - Throughout Matthew 23, we find JESUS renouncing the Pharisees -using various derogatory names. Let’s look at the names that come out of Matthew 23:
“hypocrites” - Matt 23:15
“child of hell” - Matt 23:15
“blind guides” - Matt 23:16
“fools” - Matt 23:17
“whited sepulchres” - Matt 23:27
“full of… iniquity” - Matt 23:28
“serpents” & “generation of vipers” - Matt 23:33
“murderers” - Matt 23:34
"CAINANITES - NOT" (READ UR BIBLE)
"JUDGES - NOT" (READ UR BIBLE)
"FALS BRETHREN - NOT" (READ UR BIB)
Now, as I read these verses, and knowing what I know about Jesus, the conclusion I draw is that in calling these religious leaders all these names, the Lord Jesus did not react in anger or malice toward those who opposed Him. Instead, He declared their true character in hopes that they would come face-to-face with the truth about themselves and repent... in todays application....AA & AWA alike.
So, the big question a person needs to ask of themselves when they use name-calling as a tool, is this: Are you responding out of anger or malice, or compassion? Is your intent to shine a mirror and expose a person’s true character, or to make yourself feel better with “One-Upmanship”? Are you hopeful that the person will repent as a result of your use of the name-calling technique, or could you care less? And the biggie - do you suppose that you have the same ability to know a person’s heart as Jesus did to even attempt name-calling?
Be careful how you use your tongue brother.....as I have said before, the apple does not fall far from the tree and the AA & AWA are one in the same only now they are fighting against each other....
LEHAN - Why is is that during Bishop Baldemar's tenure he never bothered to stand up? Why did it take these new AWA members so long to speak up altogether....The answer is simple. The minute they new they were being cut off from the source,(MONEY) or the hefty salary the GB members receive, it was then these men "stood up and took a hit" according to LEHAN. That is nothing but nonsense...It was their love of money that was the motivating factor to their new found bravery and courage to "take a stand and be brave." All we can do is pray for all of these men of GOD as a body of Christ and not as an AA or AWA member. Again, I am a neutral, or shall I say, non-AA or AWA member and only speak from the heart. We need to overcome all this hatred and let love abound in our hearts and minds and vocabulary and not words of hatred, anger or death. We need to prophecy life into the dry bones of this generation so that there may life and repentance and a turning away from all of our evil....and that my brother is what Jesus was referencing when he spoke in Matthew. PLEASE, AND I MEAN, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE BIBLE OUT OF CONTEXT BECAUSE YOU MAY SUFFER IT'S REPURCUSSIONS!!!
JLC...
I beg to differ with you on your comment "The minute they new they were being cut off from the source,(MONEY) or the hefty salary the GB members receive, it was then these men stood up".
Who exactly are you talking about? As far as I know Baldemar wasn't in the running for a position at the 2006 Elections, neither was Tafoya, Avila or Torres for that matter. The only one up for a position that I know of was Salomon. Thus Two Vote Pacheco's appointment by his gb buddies. Your statement begs revision.
Caminado Voy - If you read the first sentence of the paragraph addressed to LEHAN it says the following....- LEHAN - Why is is that during Bishop Baldemar's TENURE, he never bothered to stand up? That is a very basic and simple fundamental question. Why is it that only now Bishop Baldemar had the courage to stand up and not when he was receiving a paycheck from the "hermanos diezmos." You see, all I am saying is that they are ONE IN THE SAME. I can not comprehend why he never said anything in the past because this behavior has been going on long before most of us were even born... Why wasn't anything done in the past when this "dedazo" politics was being practiced under Bishop Baldemar as well. Don't look down on the AA if you are AWA and vice versa because THEY ARE IN ESSENCE THE EXACT SAME CAR BUT WITH A NEW PAINT JOB....(if that even makes any sense). Just answer me my simple fundamental and very basic question....WHY?
Amados, hay un fuerte rumor por aca en el Sur de California que a nuetro "muuuuy distinguido" hno. Samuel Valverde el IRS fue por el a su "humilde casa" - que hay de cierto?
TroublemakerfromGAC,
You must have been at a different service then. I saw with my own eyes the members of GAC stand up and curse and rebuke dear old Bro. Marrufo.
To say that he inappropriately touched someone is absurd. That man gave more than of himself to God's work than the entire GB and AWA board put together. He died penniless and as humbly as he lived. The GB helped him move to Cashion to shield him from those families.
To say that there was 150 people when Tafoya to the church over is preposterous. There where about 3-4 families that ran Marrufo out and intended on doing the same thing to Tafoya because he did not tolerate any of your insanity. If I remember correctly he ran you all out.
150...please! More like 12. You are not the only one who visited the church my friend.
After all these years, I think I see why Tafoya had run his church with in iron fist, you all had venomous tongues. You sat your badonkadonk on those old chairs Sunday after Sunday throwing darts.
Witness,
I am in no saying there where no problems with Tafoya. Far from it. Read my history on this blog and you will see I have been one of his biggest critics. With that being said, if you would take the time to talk to him you will recognize that he acknowledges that fact that he has hurt people and for that he is hurt and ashamed. For that reason alone, not for anything else I give him respect. He is not giving excuses.
Not one other person involved in this election fiasco has done that. That does not make all the things he did right...but it is a new start.
These men are wounded soldiers in battle. They have hurt their own comrades in battle but that does not mean we must do the same.
Satan has been working along time to get where we are today. We are seeing the fruits of his labor. If we continue to work in hate, anger, pride, content then we allow a fertile ground for Satan's minions.
Someone has to stop this spewing of hate to continue, and if is not the leaders then it must be the lay people.
We need to get back to God's work: Saving Souls, these people are souls. Satan is having a field day with us and we can't even see it.
JLC if the shoe fits. You go up against it because it obvisouly effects you in some way.
If you have seen these problems for so long why have you not made a stand I will tell you why.
The reason is because as much as you say that this needs to be a Christ centered church you do not believe one ounce of what you say.
Politics allows you to do that it allows you to preach something you do not really believe in.
You know why you have not said anything before is because as much as you quote on quote hate the system you love it.
It allows you to do just what you are doing. I am not an angel but thank God I am not religious like many of you all on here.
I hope you are ready to chew up all that you say.
Lets Begin.
I please do not give me the money issue I am so far up the chain that I could tell you a good couple stories about almost anyone.
Some did have money but not all trust me.
I have heard of some bishops that do make a good income but they only make it as you get closer to California or if you can scream enough.
If not you do not get any help.
My Pastor never recieved any help from the church and he started in the missions.
So try something else because that is not true unless you get high up the social chain.
I am talking about the board members status. National not district not local.
If you are so sure about the money ask your local District board.
Opinions, opinions
Brothers peace. Does it make you feel good to slam? What's wrong with you all? Jesus is watching you. Gee, He needs your help to put everyone straight.
I dont think so!
The system is broke. No other Jesus name organization has had problems. Yeah right.
I dont think so!
Churches, organizations have always had problems. Lets see shall I get out the list.
I dont think so!
Turn the page people. Look up Jesus is coming soon. Are you redeemed? Do you want to be caught slaming your brothers when Jesus comes?
Ok so, many brothers have sinned in their position of authority. Should we throw them all out? Would there be anyone left to minister?
I dont think so?
There's no one who could stand blameless. Do we forgive? No, let's stay right here and sling all the mudd we can. Do we move on? No, let's stay right here and point fingers. Is that progress to you?
I dont think so!
March forward in Jesus name brothers. I'm gonna trust the Lord to handle mans failures.
If you look to man, you will fail. I will look to Jesus to put men were he needs them. And trust that the Lord will deal with men who have abused their authority.
Praise the name of Jesus. Pick your brother up. If you have something against your brother, the Word says you need to go to him.
Revolutionaries for Jesus!!!
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