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Orange County District Attorney
Press Release
Tony Rackauckas, District Attorney
401 Civic Center Drive West
Santa Ana, CA 92701
For Immediate Release
Case # TBA
November 12, 2008
Contacts:
Susan Kang Schroeder
Public Affairs Counsel
Office: 714-347-8408
Cell: 714-292-2718
Farrah Emami
Spokesperson
Office: 714-347-8405
Cell: 714-323-4486
PROTESTANT PASTOR CHARGED WITH MOLESTING
14-YEAR-OLD FEMALE PARISHIONER
NEWPORT BEACH– A Protestant pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente was charged today for molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner that he met through his job. Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child between the ages of 14 and 15, and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molest. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of five years and six months in prison. He is out of custody on $100,000 bail. Maffey is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 5, 2008, at 8:30 a.m., Harbor Justice Center, Newport Beach. The Department will be determined later.
Maffey met Jane Doe through his role as a pastor. Between May 2008 and August 2008, the defendant is accused of violating his position of trust by engaging in illegal sexual contact with Jane Doe. On multiple occasions, he is accused of passionately kissing Jane Doe on the mouth. He is also accused of contacting her several times to meet and engage in kissing.
Anyone with additional information or who believes they have been a victim is encouraged to contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714)347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff’s Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at (714)647-7419.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Department investigated this case. Deputy District Attorney Tony Ferrentino of the Sexual Assault Unit is prosecuting this case.
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Wasn't Richard Maffey in line to serve on the Apostolic Assembly General Board? Has the organization made a public comment? How far in advance did they know Maffey was performing these lewd acts and did nothing?
Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay the attorney's fee's and penalties.
http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=1074&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Pastor-Accused-of-Kissing-Teenage-Girl.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-pastor13-2008nov13,0,1568393.story
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=10649090&src=news
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7851143&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
3,530 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 2801 – 3000 of 3530 Newer› Newest»The reason why so many churches have canceled Sunday School is because the hermanos don't like to "think" thy like to "feel". It is sad the church is no longer using it's "mind" in Christian service.
Happy Easter!!!
Jesus died for your mind as well as your heart.
Yeah we have not had Sunday School for over at least 5 years. We have not had a sunrise service for over 6 or 7 years. We only have Sunday Service from 11 am to maybe 1 pm. One share group per week which turns out to be a pot luck every week. Pastor and his wife are to lazy to do anything, and they wonder why the church has not grown. they wnat out but nobody wants them to they are forced to stay here as long as he can get a salary.
You know what truth for once. You may be right but people only began to complain when they do not have it when they do they also complain.
So how do you win from a lost cause. I have a question for you do you ask Pastor that or just like every member only complain and go off rumors and what others say.
See that is the problem church. The Pastors may be horrible but the congregation does not fall to far behind either with all their lies and false belief's all because they do not want to be controlled by a dictator but they themselves are dictators when it is their turn to lead.
You all make me sick
Praise the Lord Everyone... Happy Resurrection Day!
From the comments that I am hearing from all the bloggers, Is there anyone out there who are happy with their church? Who are happy with their Pastor? Because it seems to me, and I could be wrong, but majority of the bloggers do nothing but complain and gossip. Anyone out there go to a church where things are happening? Souls are being won for the Lord, Backsliders are coming with repented hearts? Please respond. Testify to all who read the Goodness of the Lord Jesus Christ!
Can we turn this blog for once and use it to testify the goodness of God! Forget about what organization you may be from for a moment and just testify on the Goodness of Jesus and the Love of Jesus and what he has done in our loves....
Or does everyone just want chisme
God Bless all on this resurrection day.
The mentality in a lot of our churches is “every man for himself” please pray to GOD you don’t get sick and expect your pastor to follow up on why you haven’t been to church in three weeks, please don’t get discouraged and stop fellowshipping because nobody is coming to look for you and be prepare to do a lot of hand holding with the friend you invite to church because if you don’t, nobody cares for them, if you lose your job, don’t look for the church to assist in any way, does this happen in every church, of course not! Does this sound negative? Yes, but does this take place in a lot of our churches? We all know it does! locally we were told(not directly) that if a soul does not get baptized in approximately 6 bible studies, we should just move on… what’s next a telemarketing center in our church ??
The one and only reason there are no Sunday School classes anymore is people got sick and tired of the valverde expositores. The tbn message in them was so boring, and sales were down so the only way to make money the valverde style was to sell the printing equipment and pocket the money just ask Timmy! LOL! But you apostolics just keep on giving! Seems like many of you don't care what happens with your hard earned money anyway! Ofrenden! Diezmen! Ayudenle a los ladrones de la mesa directiva!
lehan:
I did confront the Pastor and told him that cancelling our weekdays services was not right. Then I followed up and informed the Bishop. Said to say it didn't any good.
Plus I don't go off on rumors or what others say.
I call them as I see them.
A lazy admistration.
if we all make you sick by you coming on here and reading the truth, maybe you shouldn't come in.
My 2 cents
I use to be happy in the AA back when there was Sunday School, then after was morning service then a 3Hr break then Sunday Night service.
The church would grow a lot faster. But that was in the old school days when I was a Primary Junior at church.
Now some churches are reinstating Sunday School in So Cal, but guess what the topics are gonna be about? Yup, you guessed it, The Tragedy of Jesus. Sad, no wonder the Youth don't have a desire for ministry anymore and backslide 4 weeks after getting baptized.
Like I said, I still am contact with Pastors and Ministers in the AA cuz most of them are my friends. The info I can release is free for all and was acceptable to info out.
Greetings bloggers in the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ...
It is sad how many churches are falling to the way side. We not only here it in this blog, but yes I must admit that I do see it in some churches. I thank God that my local church still has Sunday School, We have weekly activities, My Pastor still calls those who miss not a couple weeks, but miss a service. He just gets concerned when a faithful member misses a service because its not like them to miss. Although he doesnt have to often because the church members call him if they are going to be missing service. So praise God for That. I thank God that my Pastor is at the church every single day ready to serve the people. I thank God that he's not like the rest of the Pastors who only come to their local churches only on service nights. I thank God that when someone is sick in the hospital he goes himself or takes the Assistant Pastor with him.
Its sad that so many churches in the organization are the way many of you describe.
My church is not perfect, my Pastor is not perfect, and I am surely not perfect, but then the question is, Who is?
But one thing that I know for a fact is that many of the issue that are being described in many churches does not occur in our local church. Thank God!
Do we encourage the local members to pay their tithes and offerings? Yes. Its a biblical obligation for us to pay our tithes and offerings. However, I thank God that the Pastor gives a quarterly report to the local congregation on how much money came in and how much money went out and where it went. It just gives us tithe payers a sense of comfortability knowing where are money is going. There is also an open door policy if a church member really wants to be specific and see receipts, he has that opportunity also. The Church can even see the bank statements and the check book if they would like. After all, we are the tithe payers, we have the right to see where our money is going... IF only headquarters had that same policy
Blessings to All this Monday Morning
Truth for once
Do you all even know the importance of going to church.
The reason I ask is because I know secular people that are more christian than those in the AA.
Or has it just become another religious day. In which you all feel that you are failing God.
See that is the concept. You going to church does not keep your relationship with God. You keep up the relationship with God. It is a personal walk if you can not keep up your spiritual walk with God. Then that is your responsibility.
NO ONE ELSES YOU MADE THAT COMMITMENT WITH GOD AND NOT WITH MAN.
Sorry if I struck a nerve but it is just like you said called it like I saw it.
What are you trying to say Lehan?
Is going to church not necessary anymore? You mean I can get repent and get baptized, receive the Holy Ghost and not come to church anymore cuz as long as avoid sin again, I still have a relationship with God.
It sounds so simple even a caveman can do it.
Only.
Your church sounds too good to be true. If you don't mind, what district is your church in?
I am trying to say let me out line it for you shane.
I. We depend on man and Man fails us..
1. New man comes into the pictures and still fails us.
2. New man replaces the second man and the cycle keeps on repeating itself.
I am saying that many of us do not have a relationship with God in palce of a a relationship we have replaced religious customs.
We have become more focused on the outside than on God. Who are you you might ask I used to be just as religious. I am not from the same organization but I still used to believe that way.
We have been built up to critize and condemn.
You might say so easy a cave man can do it. It was supposed to be but we make it to difficult.
We are not saved by works we are saved by grace God said to me as you are. We say come to us once you look like the rest of the crowd and then maybe we might consider offering you salvation.
We stive for perfection but we are not perfect to say we are would be a lie because why all have fallen short of the Glory of God.
So only until we analyze ourselves first and then worry about others we will not be as clean as we pretend to be.
Shane to answer you question what about the people that can not make it to church.
Like the elderly, those that are sick in the hospital and are at their death beds have they failed GOD BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT MAKE IT TO CHURCH.
What about those people in far of countries who can not even make it to church because of persecution.
They sometimes are unable and how do they make it because they keep up their relationship with God. Without being able to attend a church
To Shane Showtime
Im from the E.L.A. District.
And yes, As God as my witness, every thing that I have mentioned is the God Honest Truth.
When I first got convirted I thought this was how all Apostolic Churches were, but I soon found out that it was not.
Yes ONLY, a lot of churches in the AA have changed through out the years. Even before they stop the district activities, a lot of churches stop fellowship with other churches. Pastors just focus on the local part so that other churches would not influence them either the negative way(per a Pastor talk).
Even before the twisted GB came in, a lot of churches turned into Saddleback churches where all you had to do was show up to church and your were all right.
Churches change due to people's thought of using scriptures incorrect. Lehan, I would assume that this was your opinion and nothing more.
Isn't church a source of showing your faith to God. First the church is the Body of Christ, you already know that. Second, services were practice going back in the old testament were services unto the Lord was perform from people of God(el pueblo de Dios), you already know that. This could go and on, but to conclude in Ephesians 5:27 God is coming for a church, the body of Christ. But you already know that too.
Shane that opnion can be stated how ever you want because you know what many years ago when I left the aa i was a pastor son with the last name that could have taken me a long way but thank God I saw the very eronous ways upon which the AA practices and decided to leave own my own will and go my own way.
The church is the people shane not the building itself.
Before weekly services and sunday morning sunrises and before we even came alon how do you think the other people met. Where do you think that met.
They may have some structures but not all could afford that luxury.
I quoted many a scripture but you could not even recognize it then you most certainly need a bibile study.
The word God is what it is
Read actually what I have said in my past post. And this verse will make since.
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”- Romans 3:23-24
Lehan
AMEN...Finally someone on here that has encountered the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ...Thank U Jesus For what u did for me..
we the people r the church...oh and by the way New testament believers didnt pay tithes (old testament)...we are under a New Covenant(new Testament)..
Instead New testament believers met in homes and in the temple..not temples..and they shared everything they had...
Get away from organizational mentality, religouse living..we are not from the aa, upc, awa...we are people of the Kingdom Of God....
someone please anwser this...
what church did Jesus go to???
What organization did the apostols belong to??
Where did they pay tithes and used strategys???
Were the Apostols and Jesus Inside a building... or outside doing Gods Will healing, restoring, preaching???
East Texas Convencion...."TERRIFIC"
Full House!!!
CHAIRMAN_MAO said...
any news coming out of the East texas District Convention?
Storyline was that 1 or 2 congregations would be leaving....
East Texas District Convencion better than ever....1 or two congregations would leave??? When? Where? Who? East Texas is in REVIVAL!
Did you ditch your Dad, Lehan?
So if we are living under a new covenant, wouldn't that mean that the 10 Commandments do not reply to the "people" at all anymore?
that would mean rock n roll and sex all night long.
Astounded: I am not astounded at all. I assisted those district services and conventions for many, many years and yeah it's holy ghost time during the convention but when you leave it's back to where we left off! Fake, fake, fake and more fake.
Okay, back to playing church again! Who are we trying to fool? It surely isn't the souls anymore because they can see right through us as being fake but of course didn't we all learn from the so called best "the GB!"
Thank God that I finally saw the light!
[whatisgonnahappen next]
DO you know how many churches left the E Texas District?
Shane Showtime: Someone on this blog says it is 2 churches that were waiting for this convention to be over to leave afterwards but I am hearing there are more than just a few. These pastors have been talking behind closed doors. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what will happen next!
[whats going happen next]
I use to know the Avilas. Ruben was a piano and organ player. Do you know who they are and are they still around? They did go to Texas, but not sure what side of Texas.
Also, do you know if these churches are going to AWA or just releasing themselves from the AA?
ATENTION ALL!!!
I just got a phone call from a relative in Arizona that Art Tafoya is no longer in the AWA because he was removed. CAN ANYBODY IN ARIZONA OR THE AWA CONFIRM THIS?????
Shane Showtime� said...
[whatisgonnahappen next]
DO you know how many churches left the E Texas District?
April 14, 2009 10:08 AM
what is going to happen next said...
Shane Showtime: Someone on this blog says it is 2 churches that were waiting for this convention to be over to leave afterwards but I am hearing there are more than just a few. These pastors have been talking behind closed doors. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what will happen next!
April 14, 2009 10:40 AM
NONE! East Texas is ON FIRE 4 GOD!! Like it or not!
Shane Showtime: The Avila's are in Texas . I believe they reside in Austin.
Astounded: "Pobresito." You sound just like the GB who are living in denial but like I said "we'll just have to wait and see what will happen next!
[Sorel] we just have to wait for someone in the AWA Arizona area to confirm and on to why.
[whats going to happen next]
Thanks for the response.
Does anyone know the update on Maffeys hearing?
Sorel & Shane - After reading your posts I called my pastor here in phoenix and asked him about the dictator Tafoya. He told me that as far as he knew Tafoya was dismissed from the AWA directors because of logistics.
I don't really know what that means, but yea according to him Tafoya is out! WOW! Good move AWA!!!!
WOW!! If the latest developments of Tafoya being dismissed from the AWA is true then it has proven a point that many of us were concerned about. The AWA is just like the AA! I think I'll just stay on my own. These days who can you trust??
The AWA + AA = Coldhearted Dictators
what is going to happen next said, "The AWA is just like the AA! I think I'll just stay on my own. These days who can you trust??
The AWA + AA = Coldhearted Dictators"
What the H....ll are you taking about. ANYBODY who goes to any apostolic church in Arizona knows what kind of a tyrant tafoya was. R U KIDDING ME!!!! Kicking tafoya out was the best thing the AWA could have done.
That just goes to show you don't have any idea what you are talking about. I personally have talked to several people in different churches here in the phoenix area and ALL of them agree with his removal! IT WAS ABOUT TIME!
Amen to that JC! I'm from east phoenix and I agree with you!
Didn't someone said a few post backs that Sanchez was talking to Tafoya on welcoming him back to the AA?
Either that or the person who wrote that was just creating blog attention.
Your right Shane. Word is from Texas that Mr. Tafoya is out, and it had something to do with him and Sanchez.
JCinAZ: I know who Tafoya is but I've never met him personally so I really don't know what skeletons he has in his closet so I can't give my opinion regarding his dismissal. I am only proving a point that these two organizations are not any different from the other. If someone within their organization does not play by the rules it's a for sure thing they'll throw you out! You would have to be blind not to see the same games these two organizations play.
Games? What games? It's obvious to us here in Arizona why a person like tafoya would be ousted! You don't know him but we do!!! let me just put it this way. When tafoya was bishop in arizona he was WORSE than sanchez, as far as his vindictive ways.
You my friend are wrong in concluding that any organization is playing games just because they get rid of someone that would obviously bring a bad name to the organization. If you remove a bad seed from your organization or business, that does mean you are playing games like others? WOW!!!
I wonder what Tafoya will do now? Very curious on that one....
JCinAZ: From the looks of it seems you're a strong believer of "an eye for an eye." Forgive me for not siding with you but I have to consider myself that this could well be me or my children and believe me I would want mercy! This is exactly what I am trying to get across to you but you just don't get it! May God have mercy on you for one day you will need it too! Case closed!
Whats next...
You're problem is that you assume too much. And when you do you live in you're own little world. Listen carefully! I don't know how your mind figures I believe an eye for an eye, and that I don't have any mercy. But leyt me explain it you sssslllloooowwlllly!
Tafoya ran out many pastors out of arizona. His reputation in this stae is horrible. It just seems like a wise move on the part of the AWA to remove him. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY trusts him here!
So put aside your holy, mercifulness aside and be real my friend. Tafoya would be a bad element in any organization. Besides STOP assuming that the AWA kicked him out for the same reasons the AA does. You would have to be a fool to think, or assume, they operate the same way!
Hey Blessed,
Didn't your pastor have a run in with Tafoya?
JCinAz: I am sorry that I can't agree with you but afterall isn't this what this blog is all about! I respect your opinion and I'm sure you have your reasons but it still doesn't make it right. So I guess it's best for both of us to not waste our time trying to prove our point. God bless!
Other than Tafoya's church who in the district of AZ hasn't had a run in? Was there any Pastor/church that was exempt from his practices?
No, whoever was not a tafoya yes man, he basically ran out of the district. I have a couple of friends who were pastors in the AA during his dictatorship, and tafoya was merciless and vindictive against them.
He not only attacked their ministry, but he also blackballed their character and church. These pastors have told me stories about tafoya that would make sanchez look like a choir boy!
Hey Truth, where are this Pastors that got runned over by Tafoya at now?
We were not a Tafoya Yes church. Thank God we are free from that!
Hey blessed, is your church in Mesa?
yes
To Shane,
They are now independent and growing. This is why you haven't heard any pastors from arizona joining the AWA because tafoya is not trusted by AA pastors as well as independent. Poor guy, nobody likes him and nobody wants him.
I heard his church is composed of mainly a few family members, who by the way also have shady characters and reputations. By that I mean, they claim to be christians but are involved in some scam or sin.
Blessed, I know your pastor, he is a good man of God. I remember Tafoya even publicly attacking him from the pulpit during a district convention!
He is a good man, and we are blessed to not be under that type of leadership anymore.
Amen Blessed,
I visited your church when evangelist R. Stites preached in your church. The Lord used him powerfully. And you folks know how to worship. I was there also when Pastor M. Hernandez preached and he was a solid Word preacher! Really enjoyed the word and the service.
Truth, were did you say you were from?
That was an amazing service with Bro. Stites. Bro. M Hernandez as well. Last Thursday and I believe this week too we have a brother from Kenya. I didn't get to hear him last week, I was teaching but I heard great things.
JC I'm from east phoenix.
Amen Blessed, I'm glad you folks left the AA, away from tafoya when you guys did. God bless you.
to ALL BLOGGERS, just a clirification from texas. The AWA DID NOT kick Tafoya out! He was asked to step down from the board of directors ONLY. He is still in the AWA.
Thanks for the clarification Alamo.
Truth, so you are in the Romo's district? If so how is that working out?
by the way, does anyone have a pic id of Tafoya?
Shane Romo's church is alright. I wouldn't join there. Right now I'm just visiting the black apostolic churches in the east valley. I'm going to check out the AWA conference coming up in july here in the east valley. Maybe I'll decide on a AWA church by then.
I was just left with a real bad taste from the AA when tafoya was bishop here. So I don't know how I'll feel when i see him in the conference.
I'l tell you what, I've been to Blessed's church several time and they rock in the Holy Ghost. And very solid in the Word also.
Truth, does Blessed's church have a website? Maybe you can email it to me to check it out?
I remember when Romo use to be hot in the word a whiles back.
Is he still the same way?
Romo is ok. Blessed's church is Temple of the Redeemer in Mesa, Az. In their website you can buy some powerful messages from R. Stites, M. Hernandez, A. Teklemarian, Loami Diaz. Check it out!
www.redeemerministries.com check us out!
Thank you Alamo for clearing things out that at first seemed to be heartless. Like I said to JCinAZ "I don't know the skeletons Tafoya has in his closet" or do I care to know that is between him and God. At least this new organization showed some compassion as opposed to the AA. I guess we shouldn't always believe everything someone else says before getting the correct information.
Whats next - just in case you think I didn't have the correct info, this was my post on April 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM
"JCinAZ said...Sorel & Shane - After reading your posts I called my pastor here in phoenix and asked him about the dictator Tafoya. He told me that as far as he knew Tafoya was dismissed from the AWA directors because of logistics."
Again I said, "...Tafoya was dismissed from the AWA directors..."
Just wanted to clarify, thanks.
Shame on Eric Rangel! He used to be a loyal apostolic minister and pastor before he rebelled and started his own cult.
He couldnt stand being under the umbrella of protection of the church. He couldn't submit himself to authority.
Now he's on the blog as a frivilous profile name degrading and slandering his former bishop, Art Tafoya.
Eric, your nothing more than a 2 bit punk! Your family sucks too!
What a horrible family tree that includes Malverde and Pachueco!
How many scams are you running in your little church?
JCinAZ: Just got through talking to one of the pastors who is a good friend to one of the directors of the AWA and he stated Tafoya WAS dismissed as one of the directors but NOT from the organization. Tafoya is the only one who can make the call if he will continue in the AWA or not.
You can tell the Tafoyanites by the way the speak! Hey Arizona-Press-Club everyone in Arizona knows your DADDY TAFOYA WAS A CROOK AND A TYRANT
The best thing Rangel could have done was to get away from Tafoya's Tiranny. Calling people a "2 bit punk! Your family sucks too!" Said just like a tafoya. Sorry, sorry excuse for a christian!
Here's Erik Rangel's website of the church he has going on in Yuma.
http://www.legacyyuma.org/Home_Page.html
enjoy everyone.
Good for Erik for getting out from under an opressive Bishop and an unhealthy organization.
However I must comment that I am in disagreement with at least one of his statement of beliefs.
In essence he is stating that if a Trinitarian comes to his church he will not have him be rebaptized in The Name of Jesus.
Stating that Baptism does not save.
Although I understand that Baptism apart from repentance is just a symbolic ritual.
If done sincerely and in The Name of Jesus it surely is unto Salvation.
Erik Rangels church is weak. His just another two bit punk cousin of Valverde.
This punk has a church of 50 and his been there in yuma for 10 years.
His not doing a good job. Bishop Tafoya was right to revoke his pastorship.
Erik is a 2 bit punk and needs to grow up. You can't have nothing but youth services when your the pastor.
Thats a weak website too. Just like a 2 bit punk his is.
All 2 bit punks should be kicked out of our beloved church. They are poisinenig it like Judas did the apostles.
Arizona-Press-Club.... since you used "2 bit punk" 4 times in your last rant maybe he should be an 8-bit punk now. Or, no wait, even better, how about calling him a "Mr. Poopy pants", or "booger eater"?
Either way it makes sense for you because you sound like a 13 year-old. He must of wronged you at some point because you can completely see it in your post about him...
For those of you from Arizona, or those that have come from California to Arizona. Let me tell you alittle of the back ground of Arizona.
The first ministers were ruled with an Iron Rod back in the 1030's by Bishop Pableo Garcia Chavez and then by Bishop Isabel V. Macias, who both left the AA because Garcia had to "buck" horns with Brother Nava and Brother Hermosillo..
The Chavez were a very large family and also lived in New Mexico. Chavez supervised also Colorado. But Brother Nava and Chavez clashed because of "control issues".
The AA members that still remain in Arizona are extremely "self righteous" and holier than thou.
Most of those Dorcas are so "bored" than they are the worse "gossisspers in the AA" and will condemn anyone that falls along the way. Never will they be a good Semaratian....They will "finish" the wounded person, brother or sister to be "totally and completely DEAD" AND THEN SOME.
But my question is Blessed in Arizona, who took over the church of Bishop Tafoya? Don't tell me the ex-Bishop that married that woman that has been divorced and remarried twice. Where did the Legalism go??????
That the "DOUBLE STANDARD OF THE AA, SOME CAN AND OTHERS CANNOT!!!!!
May the Lord have mercy on us...
To Alamo: in Texaas?
WWWWWHHHHHATTTT DO YOU MEAN THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE AWA...TOOK BISHOP ART TAFOYA OUTTTTTTT???????
I thought that one of the issues of the Brethren that were ousted from the AA was because the ousted Brethren were disatisfied with the "election outcome" in Long Beach here in California?
And everyone going to the AWA is under the "BIG" Impression...that the AWA is automus and without a specific "APPOINTED BOARD OF DIRECTORS?
When did the AWA BOARD OF DIRECTORS HOLD ELECTIONS. AND WHO QUALIFIES FOR THAT SAID "BOARD OF DIRECTORS"?
I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT...
THAT IS WHY I CALL MY SELF"LET ME TELL YOU WHAT IS NEXT.
AND THE ONE THAT DECIDED TO CALL HIMSELF "WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT" TOO CLOSE TO MY NAME...
SO I WILL CHANGE IT...
I GUESS MY BROTHER DECIDED TO "COPY ME". OKAY JOHN I'LL LET YOU KEEP YOUR OWN IDENTITY...
I'LL CALL MY SELF..."IT SURE DID"..
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US.....
SAME OLD....SAME OLD "ELECTION, CONTROL AND "IT SURE DID"....
WAKE UP Bloggers?
MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU, AND MAKE YOU BOLD TO "FIRE THESE HONORABLES..AND "FIGHT FOR OUR CHURCH WHICH DOES NOT BELONG TO "PACHECO, VALVERDE, SANCHEZ, PRADO, MAFFFEY, PRADO, AGUILAR AND ESPINOZA...
BY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MEANS.....
IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM, NOW OR EVER...............
AND OUR PRAYERS ARE "HE AQUI TUS ENEMIGOS OH JEHOVA......HE AQUI PERECERAN TUS ENEMIGOS......
EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO!!!!!!!!1 AND VERY SOOON THEY WILL DEFINATE PERISH......AMEN.
You are 'OUT' there taking care of the "chickens" and what is happening up at the "Western Front"...??????????
Let us not "forget the "Main Issue"
that has brought us into these blogs. The "fraud in elections and how they will continue to do "fraud as they did in the last convention where the Santa, who is married to a Lion,
the Georgina and the Francisca that had the "most shimmering, shinning, completed covered beaded and rhinestone jacket at the presentation OF THE "fraudlent election board..once again.. of the convention in November in Texas and then what about
"all the other Dorcas" that "have to be following "the Doctrine" of no "shine, dull" and not to dye their hair or they are going to go "straight to Hell",
and the legalism of the Pastors wives dying their hair but it okay with Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco, and Prado as long as the monies keep coming in....and the BIG MEGGA BUCKS.....THE ALMIGHTY $10,000.00 THEY RECEIVE EVERY MONTH..,
and we are over here critizing the poor Rangel guy and his mother Eloise, also "used to be big" legalist, gone....'LIBERAL"
short hair, and rings and all jewelry,
BUT WHY NOT/////FRANCISCA THE PRESIDENT OF THE DORCAS WAS WEARING, A "TENME BRILLANDO SENOR TENME BRILLANDO JACKET THAT WAS REALLY "LIKE WEARING 200 PIECES OF JEWELRY!!!!!!!
AND THE POOR DORCAS CANNOT EVEN WEAR A SINGLE "GOLD WEDDING BAND" BECAUSE THEY WILL BE "BLACKBALLED BY SANCHEZ AND THE REST OF THE "LOT" AND DON'T FORGET THE "MOST LEGALISTS OF ALL THE "FAMOUS PHOENIX ARIZONA, BIGGEST GOSSIPERS.....TRAINED BY CHAVEZ AND NAVA AND MACIAS SINCE THE 1920'S..
OH BUT FRANCISCA CAN SURE "WEAR" ALL KINDS OF SHIMMERING" RHINESTONES AND SEQUESCENSE, AND STILL IF "APPOVED BY SANCHEZ" WONDER WHY????????????
ANY BODY KNOWS WHY??????????
SOME CAN OTHERS CAN'T FRANCISCA???
and what about Tofoya. That was the "only Bishop that had the "courage to "stand up to the Honorables and say that "another election should be done." BACK WHEN THE WHOLE THING EXPLODED IN LONG BEACH HERE IN CALIFORNIA......
NOW HE IS OUT...all his skeltons, out, and what about Sanchez, stealing the property from the Narcios and Carmen Romero heirs, and allowing other Pastors to do the same to the legal heirs., and what about that?
AND KEEPING HIS BROTHER ELISEO SANCHEZ AFTER SOLICITING HIS WIFE OUT THERE IN TEXAS IN HOUSTON, AND EVERY ONE KNEW ABOUT IT...
WHAT ABOUT THAT....YET SIN IS SIN AND SIN IS SIN...
BUT NOT ACCORDING TO THE "HONORABLES"...
OTHERS VALVERDE "BLACKBALLS' THOSE THAT ARE A "THREAT TO HIM..."POLITICALLY AND ANNOINTED...
BUT IN A WAY THESE YOUNG MINITERS THAT VALVERDE "OUSTED" FROM THE AA ARE "SAVED" BY NOT HAVING TO BOW DOWN TO THE "STATUE OF CONTROLING, MUNIPULATION AND THE FOREVER GIVING OFFERINGS....
TELLING HIS CONGREGATION IN FONTANA THAT THE MORTAGE IS $80,000.00 PER MONTH.....!!!WHAT A SCAM SO HE CAN COLLECT THE MONEY AND KEEP IT THE REST....
WHAT ABOUT THOSE SINS????
WHY NOT "FIRE THEM" BUT WHY NOT????
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT "UNITED" WE ARE OUT THERE CRITICING, THE rANGELS AND THE TAFOYA, AND THE "REAL
ISSUE"
THE "WOLVES" ARE DESTROYING AND DEVOURING THE SHEEP." AND THE PASTORS ASLEEP AND
"GOLFING" HUH VALVERDE, PACHECO, PRADO, GALAVIZ, AND OF COURSE MA AND AGUILAR..SHOW ME THE WAY TO SAN JOSE!!!!!!
Yet people ask me straight out!!!!
Why do the "honorables" take so much "exposure of their dirty work", their monies fraud, the houses they have stolen, the car scams, driving Benzes and the Aguilar BENZ and BMW? and the daughter re-marrying in the church by her own father Abel, after SHE WAS married, divorced and remarried again. Which is fine, but OTHERS CANNOT!!!
AND SISTER "GRAACE FROM TUCSON" AND ESPINOZA FROM SOLANA BEACH, FOR SANCHEZ, AND DENISE AT THE GB.
AND SISTER MARY IN FONTANA AND SISTER GONZALEZ, IN CUCCA RANCHO...????WHAT ABOUT THE SANJOSE, FOR AGUILAR?
AND THEY ASK ME WHY DO THEY IGNORE THIS... AND WHAT VICTOR PRADO DID TO THE CASTORENA FAMILY..TAKING THEIR CAR AWAY?
AND MARTIN CHARGING $1,800.00 FOR THE FUNERAL PROGRAMS...
ALSO SABOTAGING THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO TO "MAKE POINTS WITH SANCHEZ ETCS, VALVERDE AND PACHECO...
AND SAM SELLING THE "PRINT EQUIPMENT" FROM THE GENERAL OFFICES., SO HIS SON COULD GET ALL THE BUSINESS...
WITHOUT ASKING PERMISSION FROM THE GENERAL MINISTERIAL BODY...
AND WHAT ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH CONVENTIONS, AND ONLY FOR MINISTERS AND THEIR WORSE HALVES...
SO THAT ONLY 'THEIR MONIES CAN COME IN"...
WHY DO THEY TAKE ALL THIS.
AND MY ANSWER IS?????
WHY????????????
BECAUSE OF THE $10,000.000 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE
EVERY FOUR WEEKS...
THAT IS WHY? AND ONLY WHY?
SO KEEP "FOCUS" AND DO NOT GET OFF THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY AND US AND SAVE US FROM THESE 'HONORABLES'...
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, IF THE LORD DOESN'T COME BY THEN???
WHICH WE PRAY WITH ALL OUT HEARTS HE COME TODAY....
WHO IS GOING TO "RUN" THESE "CROOKED" ELECTIONS...
LOS PASTORES ESTAN 'MUDOS"...
y NO OYEN NADA.......
O AFUERA!!!!!!!
acuerdese PASTORES QUE USTED VAN A TENER QUE "DAR CUENTA" POR TODO ESTO...EN LA SEGUNDA RESURRRECION...
LA DE EL TRONO BLANCO..PORQUE SI SIGUEN ASI, NEGADO TODO NO VAN A RESUSITAR EN LA "PRIMERA RESURRECCION!!!!!
Y ESTO ES BIBILICO!!!
QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS!!!!!!
Christian Joke
Peter arrived in heaven and was getting a tour by an angel. As they are walking, Peter notices a crowd of people jumping and shouting. Peter asked, the angel who are those people? the angel replied "Oh their Apostolics and they THINK THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES IN HEAVEN"!
Chiste
Pedro llega al cielo y un angel guia le esta dando a Pedro una vista turistica del cielo. Pedro derepente ven una reunion de personas que estan saltando y gritando. Pedro le pregunta al angel "Quien son esas personas"? responde el angel "Oh son Apostolicos y PIESAN QUE SON LOS UNICOS QUE ESTAN AQUI!( en el cielo)
Have a great weekend!
AMEN...Finally someone on here that has encountered the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ...Thank U Jesus For what u did for me..
we the people r the church...oh and by the way New testament believers didnt pay tithes (old testament)...we are under a New Covenant(new Testament)..
Instead New testament believers met in homes and in the temple..not temples..and they shared everything they had...
Get away from organizational mentality, religouse living..we are not from the aa, upc, awa...we are people of the Kingdom Of God....
someone please anwser this...
what church did Jesus go to???
What organization did the apostols belong to??
Where did they pay tithes and used strategys???
Were the Apostols and Jesus Inside a building... or outside doing Gods Will healing, restoring, preaching???
Spoke with my Pastor lastnight and he said that the assembly is going to force local churches to fundraise and send the money to Rancho Cucamonga. According to the Bishop of our district, the national is hurting for money.
This annoys me because they created this mess. I told my pastor I am sick of having carnal minded leaders. I am fed up with the GB leaders exploiting the members. Why should we have to do more fundraisers when they keep wasting money on legal fees? If they (GB) would of honored the pastoral vote then no mass exodus and everything would have been ok. This issue should of been resolved simply by Valverde, Sanchez, Pacheco and the rest of the GB giving Solomon the position he was elected for. Where is Pacheco's pride? Does he feel vindicated holding a position he was not elected for?
What about Prado? Is he still over the Social Assistance? Is it true the AA is paying the mortgage of his church in Albuquerque? I heard that church is in a financial mess? are they receiving AA bailouts? Is this what the fundraisers are for?
I think the GB members should come forth and discuss some of their hidden financial dealings. They sue and are getting sued because of what appears to be shady business dealing.
Has the GB ever considered doing their jobs without getting paid? I hear they have nice benefits, retirements, compensation, offerings and all sort of other perks.
Anyway sorry for my rant but the fundraising issue to support the GB upsets me. Of course the GB they would never be available for questions.
DC,
You are absoluteley correct.
If they were true Men of God and called to serve they would be moved to give up their double salary and just live off of their pastoral salaries.
But of course they would never do that !
Their actions show how greedy and uncaring they really are.
Rather they want to build monuments for their large egoes.
What a coincidence that after getting on The GB Pacheco all of a sudden is going to bulld a new Church, Sanchez a new home and Valverde a Mega Church building.
WA DC
Yes, all the members of the AA are paying and WILL CONTINUE to pay because someone does NOT want to get OFF their HIGH HORSE!
The only way I would help in fundrising for Rancho, was if the DGB came out and confessed what they did and have done, and how they rigged the election. But that will never happen, my tithes and offerings are now going somewhere else.
Witness...it wasn't me that said anything about Pastor Romo's preachings. You have me confused with anyone else. Back in my day, Pastor Romo's preachings were annointed and prophetic...
Romo preaches truth with fundamentals and scriptures. The last time I heard him I was blessed.
Witness, I'm surprise you know about the Tafoyas and their outside of church habits. I'm sure it happens to the children of the GB too...
It happens to everyone's children. Only thing is that they are allowed to get away with it because of their Father's position, as Pastor, Elder, Bishop and of course DGB member.
Have we finally run out of chismes ?
Ha Ha Ha !!!!!
what happened to all my blogs!
The blog was down because I posted and nothing I said is here!
same thing here....
I came back looking for an answer and nothing...
Se acabaron los chimes! Que lastima! Tanto que me gustan! Estaban rete-sabrosos! Por favor alguien levante un chisme. Bienaventurados los/las chimosos/as!
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I have been in non seasing prayer for months. Praying that you blogging sinners learn to obey the lord and stop with your rebelling against God's chosen leaders.
Your lawsuits have failed. Your strategies have fallen. Your leaders are devided.
Its time to capitulate and surrender.
Your rebellion will not be tolerated. Don't rebel yourself from your salvation.
Capitulate and save yourselfs.
Here's one for you chismosos that like el chisme.
I heard from a friend that goes to tafoyas church that he announced his church will be independent for a little while, and that mr. dictator doesn't wan to affiliate with the AWA noe the AA right now.
He actually told his family members that he is seriously thinking of suing the AWA leaders for defamation of character.
CHARACTER!!! WHAT CHARACTER???
I guess none of you blogging sinners paid any attention to my last warning!
I have been capitulating with the Tri-Unified prophets of Aguilar, romo, and montenegro to have all you mother @$^$#&(^*+)*&^* repent!
Don't you see that the rath of God will come on you because you have gone against his holy men who are god's mouth piece in the earth. I have prayed to this men for their rath to come against you!
The Tri-Unified Prophets will not be blastphemed!
Prophet Republican Reverend Steve Montenegro can have you investigated for slander!
You are warned.
hey Factsonly,
I think I saw your MySpace profile the other day. Man, you really fat.
By the way, shut up already.
TO ALL BLOGGERS:
The following letter is written with the specific purpose of totally and completely disassociating my person and my ministry AGAIN, with this unstable person blogger known as FACTSONLY1. It has come to my attention that this blogger has continued to include myself and my ministry as a Tri-Unified Prophet, that is supposed to Prophesy over this matter of the AWA.
I would like to say that any present and future references this person makes regarding my name and ministry is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY false! Our ministry is biblically and scriptutally based and WOULD NEVER be associated with the rantings of such a lunatic person.
Please, do not take the rantings of this lunatic as a representation of the people I work with, live with, fellowship with, or associate with! Our purpose is to UNITE the fellowship of the saints, to work and battle together the forces of darkness that come against the church.
Again please accept my utmost apologies if at one time or another you thought this blogger "FACTSONLY1" represented any part of my ministry.
Thank you for your nsupport and prayers, and may the Lord richly bless all of you!
Rev. Steve Montenegro
Surprise, Arizona
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Any information leading to FACTSONLY1 would be greatly appreciated. Please email it to: surpriseapostolic@yahoo.com
Thank you and God Bless!
Hello Mr.Montenegro, thank you for visiting this messy blog and in my part which I will speak for myself I respect your decision for clearing this matter of blogger Factsonly1.
Its quite clear that your upset with this blogger and I believe that Factsonly1 has a obsession to use professional names in a unethical manner. I would be upset too if FactsOnly1 used my legal name in a blog for his own childish vision. I apologize in my part if we have caused you any trouble. Keep working faithfully as the National Sec.
God bless you.
Steve Montenegro
After reading some of Factsonly's posts, he is not associating himself with your ministry. He just seems to have an affinity toward you and your ministry. He obviously views you as a prophet. Anyway, by the way he post no one takes him serious.
To ShawnHannidy,
factsonly1 wrote in his blog on January 9, 2009 1:11,
"...Me and brother Prophet Reverend Steven Montenegro, Esq, Republican State Legalslator from Arizona have won over 442 souls for the Lord since the Great Texas Revival in November.
Not all have been baptised yet, but all have said they will accept the Lord! Praise Jesus!
These include mighty and powerful people in governmant that brother Prophet Reverend Steve Montenegro, Esq. has contact with in the high places of society.
The power we have is awesome and mighty. This is the last revival. I hope and pray you all are doing some soul winning for the Lord."
He also blogged on January 9, 2009 1:42 PM,
"Its a team effort. We only need a minimum of people evanelizing the world to accomplish our goal. Besides, we are running a super high tech evangelism program.
We blog, we text, we podcast, we webinar, we send emails, we do myspace, we facebook, we do all the high tech things to spread the gospel.
We are the young generation of apostolic prophets. We are done with the antiquity of old schoolers like yourself."
If this is NOT associasting himself with Montenegro I don't know what is! Do your research well ShawnHannidy before posting ignorant remarks!
Sorel:
Please forgive me for not having the time to go back and research all of factsonly1 blogs. Perhaps if you had a job, you would not have time to researh an anonymous blogger's blogs.
I thought most people blew off factsonly1, but I stand corrected. Obviiously you and Rev. Montenegro is affected by this buffoon.
Your obvious conclusion is correct Steve is a very close friend of our family. And perhaps if you weren't a MORON like factsonly1 you wouldn't make stupid comments about people having a job or not. Only an idiot would make such comments about people he knows NOTHING about.
You don't know me, I don't know you. I know Steve, so please let us deal with factsonly1 ourselves. This man has been trying to associate with Steve even in other blogs and we're trying to find out who he is! And since you don't have a clue of what's going on make sure next time you blog do it with some kind of class or education behind it!
mine.
Sorel:
Pastor Montenegro needs to dissociate himself with you. In you last post you use words stupid, Idiot and Moron. I hope you are not a license Minister or even worse an anonymous blog name for Steve Montenegro.
Does your good friend S Montenegro know you use vocabulary like that?
ANYWAY YOU MISSED MY POINT. MY POINT IS THAT FACTSONLY HAS NO CREDIBILITY. I WAS NOT ATTACKING S. MONTENEGRO BUT INFORMING THAT WHATEVER FACT SAYS DOES NOT DISCREDIT HIM.
However, poor choice of words, your claim to be a close friend and helping him identify facts makes me wonder what kind of people he associates himself with.
If you are a minister, do you use that kind language in ministerial meetings when disagreements occur?
Would Jesus Cut Children's School Funding? Would Jesus Layoff School Teachers and Nurses?
Reverend Steve Montenegro Would!
March 4 Schools Rally at the Arizona State CapitolPosted in News at 4:14 am by Administrator
As you are all aware, the Arizona Legislature passed a budget to cut over $1Billion dollars from our state’s education funding. This will have dramatic effects on our schools in the coming years unless we can convince our legislature that this was an enormous mistake. Today several Surprise PTSA members including Maria Jiron-Cano, Patsy Jimenez, Sylvia Urias, Beth Simek and Ronni Fredrickson, along with thousands of others gathered at the Arizona State Capitol for the Arizona Education Association’s March 4 Schools. We had a fantastic time and were fortunate enough to hear from those legislators who voted to oppose these cuts. We can only hope that our actions can convince the rest of the legislature that we cannot sacrifice our children’s education in this state. We are already 49th in the nation in per student spending. This must stop. Please again write to our District 12 Legislators, Steve Montenegro and Jerry Weirs and our District 12 Senator John Nelson and tell them how you feel. These three men voted FOR the budget cuts. Additionally, let Governor Brewer know how you feel. She too approved the budget cuts. Your voice does make a difference
Sorel or S montenegro:
Did S. Montenegro ever speak out against the GB concerning 2006 elections?
No need to argue over who FactsOnly1 is.
Supposedly back a few months ago, his name was revealed. I just don't remember how far back and I am not accurate whether its a true name or not.
So if you guys have sufficient time, you can research if this fact is true.
Would Jesus Deport Illegal Aliens?
Reverend Steve Montenegro Would!
Though his father caters to immigrants, Rev. Steve stands for a conservative border policy.
Father recruits them, son deports them.
Carlos Says:
October 6th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Ok j. garcia.
First of all, whether your Mexican and/or 100% American is irrelevant to the discussion.
Second, yes, I am very well aware that we are in America and of our American right to freedom of speech. Never did I mention/imply you should not exercise that right so I have no idea why you made such reference.
And third, funny how you label me as ’silly’ when you yourself have not provided any facts/evidence to support your “Apostolic Assembly does not cater to illegals” argument. It’s FACT that Montenegro’s church, an Apostolic Assembly
church, caters to illegal immigrants. Put the “kool-aid”down and read the following:
This first link comes from a website maintained by members of the Assembly who want to keep the churches updated on a pending lawsuit effecting the assembly and churches. It’s a copy of an actual court document they’ve posted:
http://www.apostolicassembly.info/GuillermoMendoza.pdf
In page 2 of 10, the Plaintiff, which is the Apostolic Assembly, states the following as a FACT: The Apostolic Assembly “owns church properties across the country… for the use of local congregations. Such congregations PRIMARILY
CONSIST oF IMMIGRANTS…”
The following reading is quite interesting as well: http://www.upenn.edu/pnc/rodriguez.html. It is a transcript titled: Immigration and the Fracturing of Community and written by a Journalism student at University of Pennsylvania,Richard Rodriguez, who discusses his experience while visiting a small Apostolic Assembly church in East Palo Alto, OH. Here’s what I found interesting:
“I was at this small Apostolic assembly in East Palo Alto, OH… it’s a mainly Spanish-speaking congregation. It’s along 101, right near the heart of the Silicon Valley, just across the freeway, from glamorous Palo Alto… There was a moment in the service when newcomers to the congregation were introduced to the entire group. And they brought letters of introduction from sister churches in Latin America. And up they came with their letters of introduction. And the minister would read the letter and would announce their name and their place of origin to the entire community and everyone applauded…’
So there you have it J. Garcia. FACT: Montenegro’s church SUPPORTS illegal immigration and continues to cater and solicit the illegal immigration community TO THIS DATE. Montenegro is just another politician postulating to the masses the message that many Americans want to hear. He’s a hypocrite running for public office who on the political side, seems to be completely against illegal immigration, yet demonstrates a pro-illegal attitude through his church affiliation.
ShawnHannidy you have been baited! LOL
Ya dejen de pelearse por favor! Creo que mejor les aprovecharia un bano con agua de Guanajuato.
Todos son una bola de ESTUPET! aaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!
Denme chisme no "politico estuff!"
InglesConBArreras quieres chisme ay te ba,
TU ERES UN PINCHE JOTO FLOR AZULES que se esconde bajo la identidad de una muchacha!!
Stop acting like a dumb ass faggot flor azules you #@^&&&^! Your kind deserves to be castrated with a stick up your %&$^^$^^*^_(8!
PRAISE REPORT!!!
Just got word from my nephew in Midland, Texas that God has greatly blessed Pastor Abel Torres and his congregation. He said they had been looking for a church because they had been renting after the GB unjustly removed the pastor from the church he and his father who's gone with the Lord had built. If you all remember Pastor Torres was removed for saying the truth regarding the elections of 2006.
As we all know what the enemy has meant for evil GOD turns it around for good!! That's exactly what has happened in Midland, Texas!
They had seen a large church that accomodates 600 with another smaller church annex to the building with a fellowship hall and classrooms for $425,000.00 but because of the economy being the way it is it would be impossible at present for 450 members to purchase the property. After, several months the agent calls back and says to the pastor "the price has come down to $175,00.00" are you still interested?
Tell me how can anyone pass up that kind of deal. The problem now was to finance it. The banks are not lending that kind of money. Well, here comes the Lord to the rescue again! The church who used to congregate there are the owners not the ORGANIZATION so two of the members felt in their heart to help them and will be financing the church for Pastor Torres and his congregation. Another thing my nephew says it sits in the middle of downtown a street called " W. Wall Street." Wall Street may be going down but our God isn't. PRAISE GOD!! Just like my pastor here in Dallas says "GET READY, GET READY, GET READY!!
OH MY GOSH THE CHURCH WE GOT ITS SUPER AWSOME IT HAS ALOT OF ROOM AND YES IT IS ON WALL STREET ONE OF THE BUSIEST STREET IN MIDLAND PRAISE GOD FOR THAT!!!!!! DIOS SIEMPRE LLEGUA A TIEMPO!!!!!!!
Well, if this is true this might be a new start for Torres and hopefully he doesn't mess this one up or this "blessing" to him and his congregation. Is Torres in any organization(AA, AWA)?
ShaneShowtime: Wasn't it the GB who messed everything he and his father and congregation had worked so hard to accomplish because he told the truth? When the blessings of God are poured from heaven after taking a gooood.. beating how can one not cherish them? I am rejoicing for the GREAT VICTORY God has given this church who knows what it is to through the grinder!
Yes, I agree with you on the GB's goof. But Torres had some misguided work even before the GB's joke, Torres had his share of mistakes as bishop. But I wish you guys luck.
THANKS 'SHANE SHOWTIME' =)
Ha, ha, ha and ha-ha. The GB's goof!!! That's what you call it? It was total planned out fraud, not a goof as you call it.
Caminando voy: I've got to agree with Shaneshowtime regarding the GB's goof! Everything that's been going on with the GB starting with the offices having to fire some of the employees because of insufficient funds to keep them afloat and ahh! what about them loosing the offices too and having to relocate to Fontana with Valverde. Oh! another thing why are the diezmos hitting rock bottom and not enough funds to keep the GB enjoying all the luxury that they are used of having. Oh!! oh! wait a minute why are pastors coming out of the organization and going elsewhere. Seems to me the GB's goof has cost them big time! Now it seems the mistakes are reeeally costing Pastor Torres that he is taking back everything and more what the enemy stole from him and God is helping him get it all back. It seems he is on Pastor Torres side. WoW!!
GOOF BALLS! That's what they are.
Shane Showtime:
Torres probably made mistakes as a leader, but I believe Torres is a sincere man and he has a great heart. One thing for sure, Torres could of stayed quiet about the election but he followed his convictions. By speaking out he lost a great deal (Bishop, Pastorship and building that he and his father built.)
I believe the Lord is honoring the man, because he is a man of integrity. I have prayed for his success so the GB would not claim his failure is due to rebellion. The GB needs to come before God and the plantiffs and ask for forgiveness. The GB may gain legal favor but the rest of us see it different. The GB played dirty and unethical and have hijacked our organization.
Didn't know "goof" would really put me in the spot....I only used that term to fill in the blank. If I would of known that by using a wrong term would put me in the spot, I would of used a term in a form of an Entrapment.
I saw a video about Torres, seems like he knows what he is doing. I apologize if for any of my mistakes on Torres. I believe he is one of the leaders for AWA, right?
Like I said, I wish you guys the best of luck and hope that God's plan comes as thy will be done on earth.
Any AWA churches in SO Cal yet, where I can visit.(just to visit).
Well I am glad to hear that Torres. It finally seems that HE and his congregation have been tested and God has found favor on them.
Way to go it is nice to see that their is still life after the AA.
That phrase sounds all to familar the AA GB is like katrina brings nothing but destruction and still there is life no matter how hard the storm Blows.
Well lets not say last laugh because that sounds sort of demeaning. Lets say it looks like the GB and dirty handed tricks tried to work but God is beginning to show his favor over those. Who shall we sacrificed all for the rest of you all.
They may have had their mistakes but when it came down to it all these men went to bat for the congregations and the same Pastor's that have disowned them.
What the GB tried to do they tried to become Mega churches when God said their was to much ego.
Now the GB is causing you all to suffer for their mistake if they were true leaders they would take the hit for the team and they have showed their true colors and have let you all suffer for their bad choices.
Way to go.
Praying that all goes well for you all.
He estado observando las ocurrencias dentro de la Asamblea que nos han afectado tanto y por fin me animo a dar mi opinion. Primeramente quiero darle honra y gloria a nuestro Dios y quiero decir que siento un gran gozo al saber de las bendiciones que El esta manifestando hacia el Hno. Obispo Abel Torres y su admirable congregacion. Que milagros tan hermosos esta haciendo mi Dios con Su siervo quien justamente se lo merece. Despues de todo el sacrificio que nuestro querido hermano hizo, todo el sufrimiento que ha pasado ya se esta recompensando con bienes de lo alto.
Aunque siento un dolor de mi parte por no haber estado al lado de mi hermano, y tambien siento una gran pena de saber que nuestros pastores no hicieron mas por el. Al principio si se sabe que trataron de defenderlo contra los de la mesa directiva, quienes le hicieron tanto mal, pero al fin por el miedo a perder los templos o puestos se vendieron dejando solo a nuestro hermano. Abandonamos a nuestro hermano que conocemos desde joven y le dimos la espalda y lo dejamos solo en su lucha. Que Dios tenga misericordia de los corruptos que estan corriendo nuestra Asamblea por lo que hicieron con el. Pero vemos que por la gracia de Dios los triunfadores siguen siendo el Hno. Torres y su congregacion por su lealtad quienes no lo abandonaron, gracias a Dios por ello. A veces pienso en que pensara mi hermano de mi y de todos los que lo dejamos sufrir y no le hechamos la mano. Que Dios nos perdone y ojala nuestro hermano tambien pueda hacerlo. Me despido pidiendole a Dios que siga bendiciendo a mi querido hermano por su gran valentia.
"Al principio si se sabe que trataron de defenderlo contra los de la mesa directiva, quienes le hicieron tanto mal, pero al fin por el miedo a perder los templos o puestos se vendieron dejando solo a nuestro hermano."
que risa me da! hahahahahahahaha
por el miedo a perder los templos?? o puestos??
nadie se vendio, y si lo defendieron. pero como pueden seguir defendiendo a una persona que no permitia que ni siquiera entraran al templo si pertenecian a la Asamblea Apostolica?
por mi, me da gusto que haigan encontrado un templo, pero que no estan "fregando" que los templos no son biblicos, que en la biblia menciona que iban "al templo" en forma singular. entonces porque cada "plaintiff" ahora quiere hueso?
las congregaciones necesitan un lugar en donde alabar a Dios, asi que por los que siguen insinuando que Fontana aqui y Fontana aca, no sean celosos porque no han tenido lo que ellos tienen.
si lo estan haciendo por una via que no le gusta a Dios, Dios mismo se encargara de ellos. Pero yo se que no entienden eso "Dios mismo se encargara de ellos" A lo mejor las cortes nos ayudan, no?
a ver cuanto duran en hacerme un ereje... estoy viendo el reloj
You must see this prophetic video on You Tube. A member of ALCC church in Midland recorded this on February 17, 2009, the day the members of Pastor Torres' church first viewed the church building on Wall Street. How inspiring!
Pastor Torres can surely say "The world didn't give to me . . . and the world can't take it away!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH5vdW862-Y
El Era Mi Hermano suena como el Pastor de Lubbock, lo conoce?
WOW! AND I SAY WOW!
just watched the video of Pastor Abel preaching about stealing the pulpit(the lemonade sermon).
by the way, it took all of this to realize that they needed to win Midland for Jesus?? WOW! HOW LONG HAD HE PASTORED MIDLAND??
and for those that do not know where the Midland Church is, it is not literally at a place with no surroundings. they were just outside the city limits, there is a Wal-Mart supercenter about 2 blocks away. WOW! that's far from civilization...whatever!!!
the lemonade sermon, c'mon, the little rascals made it famous..lol
i tried posting a comment but "needs approval"
To: El Era Mi Hermano,
This is your time to show him he is not alone! How about sending him some financial support for the purchase of this building? To all you revolutionaries let this revoluton begin!!! Let's all send Torres some support, forget giving your ten percent, and ofrendas to the corrupt AA. I will be sending my $upport, I am so tired of my locality here in Calif. all they want is money money money!! For nothing. Send Torres your support it doesn't matter how much just send him something God will take care of multiplying it! COME ON PEOPLE LET'S REVOLT!!!!!!!
WOW! and here i thought Jesus kept silent in front of his accusers!
so much for the Bible..
Well look who rears their ugly little heads all those haters.
I may have taken Torres that long but you still have not jumped on board revaltion. lol
You still seem to be destroying soles instead of winning them lol.
Some christian you or are you because you do not even seem like you are.
The only thing is that your words sound a lot like Abel A.
So have fun all you want because those that have left move on and you all still try the same dirty tactics lol.
Also well all you Apostolics are still in the ghetto parts of town looks like the AWA pastors are moving into the more americanized parts of town lol
Also revelation you must be a big fan because you spent all that time typing in Bro. Torres name lol.
So either your a fan or you hate from the benches because we know that all you AA. People are good for.
That or you have him saved on your favorites talk about being a hypocrite. lol
You wolf in sheeps clothes.
Para: El Era Mi Hermano,
El todavia es su Hermano! Usted puede demostrarle su apoyo, enviele una ofrenda para la compra de este edificio! No piense en lo negativo piense en lo positivo, esto hara un gran diferencia para usted y para el!!! A todos los revolucionarios! Que empieze la REVOLUCION!! Vamos apoyando A TORRES! Con una aportacion monetaria! Que valga la pena este Blog! Que bonito seria que por medio de este Blog se ayudara a un hombre como Torres, a quien la AA la causo tanto mal! Yo personalmente enviare mi aportacion! Ya estoy cansado de mi localidad aqui en Calif. todo lo que quieren es dinero, dinero, y mas dinero! Para nada! Que empiese La REVOLUCION!!! Envie lo que pueda Dios se encargara de multiplicar!!!
Me alegro mucho de ver este video de nuestro Hno. Torres y su congregacion. Que alegria y animo se les ve y hasta parece que el Hno. Torres ha rejuvenecido. Que Dios los Bendiga.
Para el de la "revelacion" - ojala que Dios te revele que te estas comportando como un venenoso.
Glad to see this blog's come alive again! And with such great news even. God bless Bro. Torres and his lovely congregation!
This is very INSPIRING NEWS!! Coming out of Midland, Tx. God Bless Bro. Abel and his congregation!
Great lesson for all those Pastors that are stuck in the AA!!!
Can someone from Midland post the address where to send an offering?
Thank You Trophyman, I am with you!
La Revelacion o mejor es decir El Satanas! Sabiendo lo que te espera en el lago de el fuego y aun asi no te tienes tu mismo compasion! Que podemos esperar de ti si solo envidia,celos,iras,contiendas y etc... Como canta Vicente Montano eres un "pobre diablo muerto." Gracias a Dios por Bishop Jakes por ensenarnos la importancia de saber cuando es Satanas especialmente cuando abre la boca!
Hermanos en Midland, Texas sigan gozando de las grandes bendiciones que Dios les a dado por lo que veo Dios esta con ustedes porque traen al diablo pero bien enojado!!
Revelation or better yet Satan:
Knowing what is waiting for you in the lake of fire I would think you would have some kind of pity for yourself. What can we expect from you but to produce hatred,fighting,jealousy and anger and etc.... As the spanish christian artist says on one of his stanza "poor dead devil!"
Thank God for Bishop Jakes who has taught us how to spot the enemy especially when he opens his mouth!
Folks in Midland, Texas enjoy all the blessings that God is giving you and will continue to give you. From what I see you got the devil reeeeally angry!!
Trophyman, where are you congragating in Cali?
Or at least what disctrict?
To Shane:
I am in the Greater LA Dist. Now how about sending Torresa love offering? GWBR! Trust me!
Sorry Shane!
Instead of GWBR let's try GWBYA! Now trust me on that one!
Bishop TD Jakes? I thought this was Follow the AWA not Follow the NGGA.
Address?
The address to the Church in Midland is:
Abundant Living Christan Center
P.O Box 1704
Midland, Texas 79702
Correction:
It should be "Christian"
If you all can stand anymore good news. I hear a man by the name of Bro. Chacon sent the Midland Church that is Pastor Torres and their wonderful congregation a check for $1050.00 that church is going to be paid off in no time.
Trophyman,
I also belong to Greater LA District. Who are you?
TO LAMOP:
I am just someone that is sickened by what has happened in our beloved Assembly! I am sickened by the style of leadership that Sanchez has executed! Just plain sick of it! I am sick of men with such corrupt backgrounds being appointed to positions of leadership! Just plain sick of it! I am sick of Pastors exercising judgement on people who have failed, but when it comes to their own children they wrecklessly show the mercy of God! Just plain sick of it! I am sick of hearing TBN copy cat sermons being preached by so-called men of god! Just plain sick of it! I am sick of the money hungry men of god that have taken over our beloved Assembly without regard for anything, including being held accountable. I am just plain sick of it! That's who I am! So now that you know who I am, send Torres an offering! Trust me GWBYA!!
Trophyman,
I am sick of it as well. You may know more than I do but I can just look at result and conclude the obvious. My question to you is, if you are so sick of it, why are you still here? I ask because I am in the same situation as you...
TO LAMOP:
The reason I am still around is one, because when I decide to leave without a doubt there will be an exodus of people! God knows that I would not want this on my conscience for the following reason! While the AWA is a good idea, it still lacks the spiritual unity to function as an organism that has the spiritual stability to maintain its membership.
I do believe that Torres could be a great leader in that organization, but I am not so sure that the others pastors think so. The man is educated and that speaks volumes. I would love to see him start his very own organization!
cbg,
Thank you so much for your comments! Now send Torres an offering! GWBYA Trust me on that!
Trophyman: It's a SHAME to be associated with this organization and some of these people that have not an ounce of Christ much less fear to speak and do the things that they do. Satan must not be a very happy camper right now with the GREAT VICTORY MIDLAND.TX has received. Allow me to let you all in a little secret I hear some bishops, pastors and members from within the AA have been moved by God's faithfulness and miracle that they are calling Pastor Torres to congratulate him and many are pledging to give for this cause in Midland. WOW!! The Lord is recompensing all that this man and congregation have gone through. Reminds me of the story of "Joseph" in modern times.
Pastor Torres, get ready!! You just might have the church paid off in a month! Satan Eat Your Heart Out!!!
Trophyman,
What kind of influence do you have that there would be a mass exodus of people upon your departure? The largest church in this District numberswise is probably CPT with 400 or so. If if the entire church left, that would be a mass exodus. So, once again, how or why are you so important?
LAMOP
Trophyman is not important. He is nothing more than a dumbass. No one will follow him because he does not have the courage to leave the organization. Like I said before he is just sister Sanchez being rebellious against Bro. Sanchez. Bro. Sanchez is going to be upset when he finds out that Trophyman/Sis Sanchez is sending his hard earn money to Abel Torres.
Has anyone seen s. valverde's "empire mega church"lol
Doesn't it look like a high school from the outside? I guess when the going gets tough they can sell it to the local high school district.
After spending multi-million dollars on the building they could of put some good looking comfortable pews for the followers. And the interior of the main auditorium looks so much like the dingy performing arts center where they spent soooooooooooooo many years, I guess the design stuck to them. And for the 'king' to be sitting on his throne on the platform looking at his followers is so tacky.
Blessings continue raining on Pastor Torres and his congregation. They were just told that tomorrow they would be given the keys to the church they are buying so they can already have use of the building eventhough the paperwork will take a while. This is such a tremendous blessing as they were already trying to find a place to have a youth service this weekend since the place they have been congregating is already filled to capacity and additional chairs were being brought in! When I heard the news I asked how this came about and the answer was "Ask God"! Imagine just WHO is behind all this. Come be a part of this beautiful blessing, don't miss out! Thanks for everyone's prayers for Pastor Torres and his congregation.
I want to add also that there are so many visitors at every service it is amazing. God bless everyone.
NEWS REPORTING LIVE FROM THE SAINTS of MIDLAND, TEXAS:
God has been seen showing off again! Word that this town where the enemy attacked is alive and well. Pastor Abel Torres will be given the key to their new place of worship tomorrow morning! The members and community are in awe to see what marvelous work God has done. There is going to be an event that will take place this coming weekend which it is said to be a Youth Conference with a Sunday Service too! Witnesses tell us that folks there are speaking in tongues, crying, jumping and leaping for joy! If any of you folks have any videos of what is happening in Midland, Texas or the upcoming event which will take place there with Pastor Torres please share it with us on youtube.
STAY TUNE FOR MORE NEWS AS IT DEVELOPS!
Is there a AWA church in So Cal yet?
Shane,
As far as I know in Sothern California there are two AWA Churches so far.
Divine Strength in Rialto/ San Bernardino Pastored by Baldemar Rodriguez.
Also Brother Zuñiga is pastoring a Church in Whittier/East Los.
Thanks, maybe I'll visit when I am in the neighborhood.
Shane,
Where exactly are you from bro ?
Was any of you at Oceanside Church two Sundays ago?
Isin't that the church where former Bishop, Juan "Transa/Raboverde" Hernandez is the pastor?
Well, his wife took the pulpit on a Sunday and told the church, "Es tiempo que sepan que clase de pastor tienen"!!...and she said it ALL!
Apparently este hermanito was having an affair for many years now, with the church secretary.
Ay, estos obispos!...Cuando van a entender que Dios no puede ser burlado??!!!
I heard rumors about that I have an aunt that goes there.
But I guess the rumors are true.
Dang talk about getting busted out in public.
Enrique, I reside in Temecula as homes here are at a fair price. I do not attend a AA church, but I am still in contact with some Pastors and ministers in the AA as they are good friends of mine. I left on a personal decision. I have met other pastors including Hernandez.
As far as Mr.Hernandez goes, those rumors were never a district rumors but more of a local rumor. Its been said many times that members get angry when a Bishop needs to attend an issue/appointment at another church and miss local services/activities due to the fact that its the Bishop's duties to do so. Rumors like these are nothing more then a local members having a desire to create havoc in the congregation. Under Bishop Hernandez's supervision of So Cal its lived up to be more active after Contreras supervision. So anything that does not grow is not Godly, but seems that things have been growing under Hernandez supervision.
So your not gonna find anything in here Diostodolove.Mr Hernandez has been harassed/victimize by this in the past.
What church are you going to right now, Diostodolove? Either you know someone from Oceanside or you at one point congregated there or still are.
As far as his wife taking the pulpit, I can confirm with that once I get a chance.
To the person looking for an AWA church in So-Cal. A friend of mine tells me that the only other church that he knows of is in the OC. Agape Christian Fellowship. If you are interested, I can get the address from him and post it. Just post the question.
IAMREAL
IAMREAL,
Who is pastoring Agape Christian Fellowship ?
I think its a brother called Mike Martinez.
IAMREAL
IAMREAL, I was looking for one in the SOCAL for AWA.
Is this the same AWA we are all talking about?
I'm still waiting for Diostodolove to respond to my question.
to shane,
Sorry...the ONLY one in the OC is ACF....it is NOT the only one in SoCal...sorry for the confusion..
IAMREAL
To answer to Diostodolove regarding Hernandez's wife about taking the pulpit 2 Sundays ago...
This is all a joke provided by Diostodolove.
2 sundays ago it was easter and they had a sunrise service which also involved a "santa cena".
Hernandez's wife was there but she is extremely ill and has been a while. She cannot get up on her own right now and loves her church as well.
I believe Diostodolove just has something personally against Hernandez as Diostodolove is also a sick and twisted human being to create a total lie on the internet.
Diostodolove reminds me of a poor reincarnation of Factsonly1.
And if I offended Diostodolove, I am not even sorry.
WOW,
Mike finally got free from under Abel's grip.
Good for him I hope his church thrives and grows.
To view and hear about the latest Lord's blessings towards Pastor Torres' and his fabulous congregation tune in to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU9pP7pq7l0
Carta se envio por el Hno. Abel Torres. Leanla para que vean las grandezas de Dios y sean bendicidos. . .
25 de abril de 2009
Estimado Pueblo de Dios!
Es un verdadero placer tener la oportunidad de saludarlos a todos nuevamente con la gloriosa Paz de nuestro Señor Jesucristo.
Deseo aprovechar esta oportunidad para expresar a todos mi agradecimiento por las oraciones que muchos de ustedes han elevado a favor de todos los que hemos sido expulsados injustamente de la Asamblea Apostólica.
Quiero asegurarles que el Señor y verdadero dueño de la Iglesia no nos ha dejado ni por un instante. Algunos quisieran vernos aplastados hasta el suelo y derrotados, pero ha sucedido todo lo opuesto. El Señor nos sigue bendiciendo y nos lleva de triunfo en triunfo. El Señor nos está bendiciendo a todos a manos llenas. Estamos operando en el presente y proyectándonos para el futuro. Es importante saber que Dios está más interesado en nuestro futuro que en nuestro pasado. El Apóstol Pablo entendió muy bien esto, por tal razón él dijo que olvidaba lo que estaba atrás y se lanzaba a lo que está adelante. El no pensaba en retroceder. El solo desea proseguir hacia adelante, al premio del supremo llamamiento de Dios en Cristo Jesús. “I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.”
Es con un regocijo desbordante que ahora vengo ante ustedes para compartir las bendiciones que Dios nos ha concedido aquí en la ciudad de Midland, TX. Como algunos de ustedes ya saben, un servidor ha estado trabajando como maestro en una escuela. El día 15 de este mes de abril de 2009, un servidor en acuerdo con mi esposa hice la decisión de renunciar a mi trabajo como maestro para poder dedicarme exclusivamente al trabajo de la iglesia. Como a las nueve de la mañana, le comuniqué a la directora de la escuela acerca de mis intenciones. Ella no quería aceptar mi renuncia, pero entendió que el llamamiento del pastorado es más importante. En seguida me pidió que presentara mi renuncia por escrito, lo cual hice y se la entregué exactamente a las doce de medio día. Después de eso, empezaron a llover del cielo la bendiciones del Señor! ¡Que Glorioso! Mientras escribo esto, no puedo contener mi gozo! ¡Qué grande es nuestro Dios!
A las 12:29 p.m. recibí una llamada de un agente de venta de propiedades. Hace approximadamente dos meses un servidor y un buen número de miembros de la fabulosa congregación que tengo el honor de pastorear, fuimos a ver un templo que estaba en venta por $475,000. Ahora, después de dos meses, precisamente 29 minutos después de presentar mi renuncia, el agente me llama y me pregunta cómo nos pareció la propiedad. Le contesté que todo estaba muy bien pero nos preocupaba que no tenía mucho estacionamiento. El me aseguró que ya había hablado con los dueños de una propiedad que está en seguida del templo. La propiedad mide toda una cuadra y contiene unas oficinas con mucho estacionamiento. Parte del estacionamiento tiene sombra, un techo. El agente me dijo que los dueños, por quienes el trabaja también, están de acuerdo a dejarnos usar el estacionamiento cuantas veces lo necesitemos y sin cobrarnos ni un centavo! ¡Esperen, no es todo!
Le dije que eso estaba muy bien. El hizo una pausa como esperando que un servidor dijera algo, pero espere que el siguiera. Luego me dice que tiene otra noticia para mí. Me dijo que los dueños de la propiedad, que es una congregación que creció y ellos adquirieron una propiedad mas grande, le acaban de llamar esa mañana para decirle que habían reducido el precio y nos querían dar la primera oportunidad a nosotros de comprarla! Pensé que solo habían reducido el precio como unos $25,000. Cuando fuimos ha ver el templo, un servidor había pensado ofrecerles como $300,000 o $250,000. Qué bueno que el Señor no me dejó hacerlo, porque el agente me dijo que habían bajado el precio a $175,000! ¡Gloria a Dios! El Señor hace las cosas mucho mejor que nosotros.
En seguida la pregunté a la gente que si la congregación de Cornerstone, los dueños de la propiedad estarían dispuestos a financiar la propiedad. Yo se que están pensando algunos! Este hermano no sabe cuando parar. Es que nuestro Dios tiene aun más que darnos que nosotros que pedirle a él. Para empezar, el Señor ya nos estaba dando mucho aun sin pedirle. El agente me dijo que no creía que la iban a financiar. Le pregunté, “¿Que si les damos como $30,000 0 $40,000 de enganche? ¿Crees que estarían dispuestos a financiar lo demás?” En seguida me preguntó, “Si ellos aceptan, ¿están ustedes dispuestas a cerrar el trato pronto?” Le aseguré que si estábamos dispuestos. Habló con ellos y le dijeron que se iban a reunir el siguiente miércoles para considerar la oferta.
El mismo día 15 de abril, como a la hora después de estar meditando en lo que acababa de acontecer, fui a compartir con la directora lo que el agente me había dicho. Ella empezó ha llorar delante de otras maestras que estaban allí y me dijo, “Siento escalofrió con lo que me estás diciendo! Que tan pronto té confirmó Dios que la decisión de renunciar era una decisión correcta. Me maravillo como Dios está contigo y con la congregación.” Ella se ha dado cuenta de todo lo que nos ha sucedido. Ella llegó a conocer el templo que nos quitaron. Ella estuvo allí durante los servicios fúnebres de mi Padre.
El día siguiente, el 16 de abril, recibimos un ofrenda de nuestros amigos de mucho tiempo, los hermanos Chemita y Chole Chacón de El Paso, Texas. Ellos no sabían lo que estaba por suceder pero sabían que teníamos necesidad de un templo y nos enviaron una ofrenda de $1,050 para compra de nuestro futuro templo.
El jueves pasado, el día 23 de abril, me llamó el agente muy temprano. Me dijo que andaba fuera de la ciudad con su familia, pero me estaba llamando porque sabía que estábamos esperando ansiosamente la noticia acerca del templo. Me dijo lo siguiente, “Ayer se reunieron los directores de Cornerstone y acordaron venderles el templo. También, dos miembros han sido impactados por lo que les ha sucedido ha ustedes y ellos dos están dispuestos ha pagar los $145,000 restantes y financiarles esa cantidad a ustedes.” Cuando termine de hablar con el agente me puse ha llorar. Dos personas que no conozco, ni ellos me conocen están dispuestos ha ayudarnos. Nunca los he visto, ni he hablado con ellos, pero ellos están dispuestos ha ayudarnos. Hace como tres meses le escribí al Presidente Sánchez para preguntarle que si nos vendían la propiedad. El nunca tuvo la decencia de contestarme. El Obispo del distrito fue quien me comunicó que la Mesa Directiva no estaba dispuesta ha vendernos la propiedad que nosotros mismos construimos con tanto sacrificio. Pero, una gente que todavía no hemos conocido está dispuesta a darnos la mano. Llorando, le llamé al instante a mi esposa para darle la noticia.
Muchos amigos nos han llamado para felicitarnos. El hermano Sal Mendoza de Houston, un amigo de la familia de mucho tiempo, ayer me avisó que nos iba a enviar una ofrenda de $1,000 de parte de él y de su esposa. Pensamos comprar unas sillas en Houston y el ofreció ayudarnos para transportarlas para Midland. No cabe duda, la mano de Dios está sobre nosotros.
Estamos sumamente agradecidos con Dios y con todos los que han estado orando por nosotros. Sentí dar este testimonio para que sirva de estimulo para todos los hermanos que han sufrido igual como nosotros. Nosotros no le hemos dicho ha nadie que se salga de la AA, pero tenemos noticias de que muchos mas van a salir de la organización. A todos les aseguro que Dios no los va abandonar. Así como ha estado con nosotros, estará también con ustedes. El Señor va ha proveer para todos. ¡Esperen esa gran bendición de Dios! El ya la tiene empaquetada para ustedes. Como decía el evangelista Daniel Faz, “Ay va, ay va, ay va!”
Finalmente, les informo que la propiedad está ubicada en una de las calles principales de Midland, en “West Wall Street.” Antes estábamos en seguida de la WalMart, ahora el Señor nos ha llevado a “Wall Street.” Y si seguimos siendo fieles a Dios, un día caminaremos sobre las calles de oro. Así como la propiedad que teníamos anteriormente tiene un templo grande y un templo pequeño, la que ahora el Señor nos ha dado, también tiene un templo grande y uno pequeño y todo está comunicado. Para ir de una parte de la propiedad a otra, no se necesita salir para fuera. ¡A Dios damos la Gloria por todo! Dios los bendiga ricamente a todos.
Atentamente,
Hermano Abel V. Torres
I jsut finished reading the letter from Torres AA we should be ashamed of ourselves, Sanchez you and your associates should for sure be ashamed of yourselves! Once again someone from outside comes to the rescue of our very own, seems like history repeats itself. Didn't this very same scenario happen to a pastor from Missouri back some time and a Baptist came to his aid. It should turn our stomachs!
Acabo de leer la carta de Torres y a todos nosotros en la AA nos deberia dar verguenza, Sanchez a ti a tus socios les deberia dar mucha verguenza. Otra vez gente de afuera viene al rescate de uno de los nuestros, la hitoria se vuelve a repetir! Que no fue esto lo mismo que le sucedio a un Pastor de Missouri? Y fue un Bautista el que vino a su rescate? Nos deberia dar ASCO!
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I just viewed Torres report on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU9pP7pq7l0 and was with him UNTIL he went off on Baldemar being the BISHOP PRESIDENT! WOW!!!!!!! Some things just never change.
These guys are so hung up on titles it's not even funny! Baldemar was the president when all this corruption was going on before the election. To me HE IS JUST AS BAD AS SANCHEZ. The only difference is Baldemar never got caught.
And Torres, the poor guy needs to come out of the middle ages and get with the program. GET OFF THE TITLES MAN. The old days are gone!
My observation:
Evidently, the guy is OUT of the dark ages. He is the one moving on as oppose to the AA same "old", same "old" just going through the motions. It seems this guy has a vision that the rest of the so called GB members do not have just look at statistics regarding the growth of the AA. Shame on them! The truth they claim to have they should have been able to have conquered the whole world or at least the United States but unfortunately their WORKS speak much louder than all the WORDS they have to say which means NOTHING!
FYI:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
February 22, 2009
To: Brothers : Gilberto López and Guillermo Puentes
Praise the Lord!
The Secretary of Missions for the APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, has determined to put an end to our corporate relationship, blotting you out officially of our institution, for the following reasons:
1. In the time that we have been working, we have observed that you are not willing to abide by our doctrinal system [UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT COME UP WITH ANY SPECIFIC DOCTRINAL POINTS OF DISAGREEMENTS, THAT IS WHY WE DO NOT INCLUDE EXAMPLES HERE].
2. In this same observation, referring to the administrative part, we have neither seen your disposition to uphold the Constitution, although you know it. [AH HA, YOU DIDN'T VIOLATE DOCTRINAL POINTS, INSTEAD YOU VIOLATED OUR CONSTITUTION]
3. You have incurred serious contempt [THIS IS SO SERIOUS, WE ARE BOOTING YOU OUT], upon not [PROPERLY] planning the Installation service of the Missionary Gabriel Pereira, as directed by the Regional Bishop Juan López, and you preferred to do a [BEAUTIFUL] worship service with the preacher [WE REFUSE TO CALL HIM OUR "BROTHER" ZUNIGA BECAUSE HE IS NO LONGER APOSTOLIC] David Zúñiga, alien to the Assembly, which adds insult to our wound [ZUNIGA STOOD UP TO US AND STANDS FOR ETHICS].
4. You received the mentioned preacher, [ONCE AGAIN, WE CANNOT SAY "BROTHER"] David Zúñiga, nevertheless Bishop Arthur Espinoza had explained the situation of said pastor [OOPS, WE SLIPPED AND CALLED ZUNIGA "PASTOR"] to Brother Guillermo Puentes, and it was not ethical to receive him [ZUNIGA] in our presence [I DARE YOU VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION AND INVITE ZUNIGA TO PREACH OVER US].
5. For which we have reckoned, that we are not in the same doctrinal or administrative spirit, makes it impossible to work with you as a group.
Considerations: Our Constitution says: No pastor can assume the responsibility of a church if he is not in accordance with the doctrinal points, system of organization and the economic points of the Apostolic Assembly, (Art.64 Clause IV). [IF YOU OFFEND US THEN WE WILL APPLY THE CONSTITUTION NOT THE BIBLICAL METHOD OF FORGIVENESS AS STATED IN MATTHEW 6:15 “BUT IF YE FORGIVE NOT MEN THEIR TRESPASSES, NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER FORGIVE YOUR TRESPASSES"].
[OUR THEOLOGY IS THAT EVERYONE MUST FOLLOW OUR CONSITITUTION'S METHOD FOR FORGIVENESS OVER WHAT IS INDICATED IN THE BIBLE]
Brothers, the Apostolic Assembly, he is a Church with a Doctrine and consolidated Constitution, and any person or group that wants to be a part of, will have to accept it, period. [IN OTHERS WORDS, ALL OTHERS WILL GO TO HELL]
This communication in writing, can be confirmed personally [GIVE US A LONG DISTANCE, INTERNATIONAL COSTLY CALL], if it were necessary. We do not have anything personal [WE ARE LYING. IN FACT IT IS OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE THAT DANIEL SANCHEZ, SAMUEL VALVERDE AND EDWARDO PACHECO ARE TAKING THIS PERSONALLY], therefore we want to thank you for the attention that has been offered us, each time that we were among you [SELF-SERVING].
May God bless you [ACTUALLY, “MAY GOD NOT BLESS YOU", LIKE HE'S BLESSING BROTHER TORRES IN MIDLAND, TEXAS].
ARTHUR ESPINOZA AND JUAN LOPEZ
Bishop, Missions Secretary and Regional Supervisor
Nothing personal??? I had myself a good laugh on that one. You must read the official letter on apostolicassembly.info under unrelated letters. The GB is all about vendettas. Is there still someone out there that doesn't know that???? Wow.
Antonio:
Can you please give some insight to the letter you posted above with your added color commentary.
Thanks!
no se tomaron nada de tiempo...
pero si mi opinion me manda al lago de fuego, entonces condenastes a todos que an puesto su pensamiento en este blog, sea en pro o contra de de la AWA o de la AA, porque de lo que e leido, el lenguaje de otras personas a sido peor que el mio, except Pastor A. Torres(que Dios lo siga bendiciendo, ya que ahora si se va a dedicar por tiempo completo al ministerio-imagine where he'd be if he had done this a long time ago, he would have already been president of the AA and maybe these rules of not socializing with other groups, even though they are Jesus name, maybe these rules would no longer exist-no mas pensaba lo que podia haver sido- haver hasta cuando)
o, y como me juzgaste, ya tambien violastes la palabra de Dios, y al lago de fuego... tu primero.. lolol
y quien dijo que soy AA o AWA, por lo mismo pablo lo predico
cuidado con los chismosos que se llevo Hno Abel, porque las cifras ya las habian puesto aqui en el blog
bye
La revelacion o dire Roooooooy! Sigues siendo el mismo diablo de siempre. No se te olvide de tus pobres creaturas que no tienen ninguna culpa pero por todas las malas obras que has cometido y sigues cometiendo encontra de el siervo de Dios cuidado porque "dura cosa es caer en manos de un Dios vivo." Que no lees y entiendes las escrituras al ver lo que le paso a Miriam cuando murmuro encontra de Moses. Puedes disimular que eres alguen mas pero al Dios no lo enganas. Que Dios tenga miericordia de ti! Como dije en antemano la iglesia que pastorea el Pastor Torres traen al diablo pero bien enojado. Gloria a Dios!!!
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