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Orange County District Attorney
Press Release
Tony Rackauckas, District Attorney
401 Civic Center Drive West
Santa Ana, CA 92701
For Immediate Release
Case # TBA
November 12, 2008
Contacts:
Susan Kang Schroeder
Public Affairs Counsel
Office: 714-347-8408
Cell: 714-292-2718
Farrah Emami
Spokesperson
Office: 714-347-8405
Cell: 714-323-4486
PROTESTANT PASTOR CHARGED WITH MOLESTING
14-YEAR-OLD FEMALE PARISHIONER
NEWPORT BEACH– A Protestant pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente was charged today for molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner that he met through his job. Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child between the ages of 14 and 15, and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molest. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of five years and six months in prison. He is out of custody on $100,000 bail. Maffey is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 5, 2008, at 8:30 a.m., Harbor Justice Center, Newport Beach. The Department will be determined later.
Maffey met Jane Doe through his role as a pastor. Between May 2008 and August 2008, the defendant is accused of violating his position of trust by engaging in illegal sexual contact with Jane Doe. On multiple occasions, he is accused of passionately kissing Jane Doe on the mouth. He is also accused of contacting her several times to meet and engage in kissing.
Anyone with additional information or who believes they have been a victim is encouraged to contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714)347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff’s Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at (714)647-7419.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Department investigated this case. Deputy District Attorney Tony Ferrentino of the Sexual Assault Unit is prosecuting this case.
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Wasn't Richard Maffey in line to serve on the Apostolic Assembly General Board? Has the organization made a public comment? How far in advance did they know Maffey was performing these lewd acts and did nothing?
Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay the attorney's fee's and penalties.
http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=1074&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Pastor-Accused-of-Kissing-Teenage-Girl.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-pastor13-2008nov13,0,1568393.story
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=10649090&src=news
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7851143&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
3,530 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 2601 – 2800 of 3530 Newer› Newest»John Knox:
I calculate after Seeker/ Carlos posted the ages of Pastor Duron's kids.
Bloggers
Can someone tell me how many churches have left the aa Southern CA district?
AAnonsense,
Again, like I said, Pastor Duron's personal life has of no significance to you. I'll tell you one thing, your numbers are off and yes he had the blessing of his family, her family and the church family. Even if your numbers were right he wouldn't have done anything illlegal in this state. Please read up on your laws before speaking foolishness.
AAnonsense,
Do you have a wife and children?
Do you read your bible intentionally not out of necessity?
Because the way you speak and tone of your words are bitter. No, this isn't smoke screen. I'm just stating the obvious.
AAnonsense, why would you travel 2 hours when we live in the same city?
Man the suspense must be killing everyone on the blog! Hahahaha!
AAnonsense,
Why are you asking to meet up with Seeker but you won't meet with Pastor Duron? Righteous indignation huh...sure.
Does anyone know if the AWA (think this is their name) has a website yet?
So much for "righteous indignation." AAnonsense seems to be more concerned about gossip than finding out truth.
It is pitiful. Does AAnonsense seem to have a root of bitterness and hate?
Pastor Duron's family should not have come into his quest for "righteous indignation."
How can AAnonsense judge with bitterness and still seek righteousness? Let your bitterness go. Move on to find your life in Christ.
To know Him is Life!
i found the AWA website:
https://www.advancedministry.com/sites/index.cfm?i=7797&mid=12
Nice to see some people have moved on.
Bloggers,
Suggestion, please stop responding to AAnonsense for the respect of Pastor Floyd's family. It is obvious that AAnonsense lacks integrity and maturity. Nothing that is said to him will matter. He is stubborn and unable to cope with defeat and/or embarrasment, thus throwing low blows with the intent to aggrivate you(Seeker, John Knox and Pastor Duron) to bring out personal matters that are irrelevant to this blog or the AA. These are tactics of an immature person who has no respect for families and therefore deserves non either and much less responds to his non relevant comments.
Seeker & John Knox: You've made your point. Please stop responding and/or addressing conversations with AAnonsense. If you really appreciate Pastor Duron you will understand my point of view.
GBY
John Knox:
Why do you want know about the AA website? Are all my questions causing Pastor Floyd to want to join the AWA?
Thanks Seeker.
I wonder why they they don't fork out the $15 to get their own domain name. Kind of cheezy to not have your own domain name when your an organization. Does anyone agree or disagree?
JS,
You are absolutely right. Thanks for your wisdom.
JS,
Thanks for "el consejo"! Will do.
God Bless
Hey Bloggers:
I am not siding with AAnonsense, but I would like to know if the AA is helping Board members.
My Pastor was removed because our church was not meeting the Apostolic assembly money demands.
Bro. Floyd can you answer at least how much money the Assembly has helped your church?
If the AA is helping you because of your connection with Brother Prado, I would be upset!
I do not care about the other self!!
Job
word is out that Valverde is asking his congregation to donate their tax refund checks to pay for his "empire". What a joke!
God have mercy on him
Regarding Job's comment -
"My Pastor was removed because our church was not meeting the Apostolic assembly money demands."
This is so true. Our church once tried to get a small loan from the gb for $1000 and we were denied. No reason given. I've heard of pastors who are even being denied their ministerial credentials because they are not able to meet the AA's constant demands for money.
How about IRS debts? Is he accepting those? This year we owe the IRS $8000. I think I'll send that to Valverde to pay. Or may the AA will loan it to me.
Bro. Floyd you're a good man! You come from a good family the Montes but unfortunately you have been used by Victor and the rest. I know you have always respected him and still do but please read the writing on the wall. Victor has always been known to look out for himself especially if those benefits come from the "presidente" for being a yes man.
Job and Caminando Voy:
When my pastor started his church, he asked the AA headquarter if they he could have funds to purchase business cards, fliers and other stuff. They never responded!!
How unfair if Prado and Floyd are getting a bunch of money!!!!
Dating a 12 or 1 year old seems kind of wierd. I thought that was illegal? Did he date her in Mexico or New Mexico?
I guess AA favoritism happens everywhere!
Joel Montes
Victor Prado
Floyd Duron
Eddie Pacheco
Sam Valverde
And many more!!!
I think I am about to do what seeker did and leave. Not over doctine issue but over double standards and corruption
AA favoritism
Jason, Jeff, Jamie Aguilar
Little Victor
Timo(my daddy got me all the printing) Valerde, and the list goes on.
If Duran likes them young I wonder if he and Maffy are buddies?
Giving all your tax refunds:
yeah that way he can buy Rachel another Mercedes, and she will always be driving and keep away from home. By the way I heard she has a hard time getting in and out off it. Needs bigger doors
FOR THE PAST FEW DAYS THE BLOG HAS BEEN EXCITING. A PASTOR DECIDED TO BLOG. THAT IS PROGRESS DUDE. JS WHY DID YOU HAVE TO TALK SENSE INTO THE BLOGGERS LOL. GOOD CALL SEEKER AND JOHN KNOX GOT PLAYED LIKE A FITTLE. IN DEFENDING THEIR FRIEND THEY GAVE AANONSENSE AVENUES TO REALLY ATTACK MR. DURON. MR. DURON IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE WISE NOT TO RESPOND TO ATTACKS ON THIS BLOG. AANONSENSE HAS CAUSED SOME PEOPLE TO BECOME SUSPICIOUS OF YOU. BY YOU RESPONDING ALONG WITH SEEKER AND JOHN KNOX GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT AANONSENCE BROUGHT SOME DIRT TO THE SURFACE. I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH HIM, BUT HE SURE GOT REACTIONS OUT OF QUITE A FEW BLOGGERS AND IS THE ONLY BLOGGER TO FORCE A PASTOR TO BLOG WITH HIS REAL NAME.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH HIM
Job, according to the apostolic.info section there is a letter stating that a church and its congregation in the San Diego district was removing themselves from the AA due to not been able to stay on top of the demanded quota. really sad to see churches voluntarily leave an organization that was build under the supervision, hard labor and vision of Mr.Nava.
I don't think that President Sanchez much cares for multiple members and a whole unit of churches leaving the assembly. He probably does not care due to the G12 version of "Strategy of Jesus". Seems more of a strategy to create more members and their tithes. So this Strategy becomes a money maker for the GB but also becomes a Tragedy for long time AA members. I know Sanchez may think that the Strategy will replace the AA members who are leaving. But since the amount of new members is slower then the great amount of old members leaving. The new members that are coming in can barely hold a job so this means small tithes. The old AA members leaving to AWA or other have had very well develop jobs, that means very high tithes. Its logical and Sanchez at this point won't get a good paycheck if the old members continue to leave.
District services have been cancelled and no chance to collect a popular offering "to the Lord".
This Strategy has become a Tragedy.
All of you including me with the exception of Pastor Duron and Seeker are COWARDS for not exposing who we are!!!! WOOOSIES!!!! I guess I am a WOOSY
I attended Victor Prado’s church in the late 90’s and early 2000. I know the ministers that were there. Including the Constriction Manager…Marc Canales….I wonder if he is blogging. Maybe AAnonsense is Marc. Word is he left very upset because Victor wouldn’t kick Pastor Duron out. Maybe Victor knew he was leaving and had to cover the mess, this is why Duron has the church now.
The ministers that were there included Marc, his brother Josh and others left. I left and will never return to man made rule church or legalistic
AAnonsense: You are a woozy!!!!!!!! You were challenged but cowardly u left. You state hearsay? The Gossip you get from your sources is hearsay and you take it as gospel. Meet Pastor Duron! You sure do know a lot about what has happened in the church recently and in the past. Wow. Just like a CHISMOSA!!!
The 30-50 people that left? Huh. The Canales left with their entourage only to find out that the people in the church disliked them. I believe they left Washington running because of embezzlement charges? Running to Albuquerque in the arms of Victor Prado?
Victor you should have seen it coming…………………….if they left Washington with a bad taste don’t you think that they would do the same with you? Shame on you!
And what’s the deal with them leaving to another church only to get kicked out and now they start a new non-denominational church. Maybe their members should check into the books there………………………..
Is it true that the younger brother left his wife for a younger chic? Wasn’t it 3 or 4 times he did that?
And what’s with one of the older brothers accused of molestation of a young boy?
Anyone else have any insight in this?
Seeker: Prueba? What’s that about? Care to elaborate?
John Knox: you prove to be friends with Pastor Duron.
Awaiting……………………………………..
Same story continues. Folks these are the practices that have been going on since the very beginning of this org. Just some years back, a missionary in one of the south american missions (I believe Chile) needed to get a sign ($500 american dollars) by requirement of the city that the church was located at. The city said pay for the sign, or close your doors.
Action: Call the headquarters, tell them the situation and expect a wire transfer for the money...
Expectation: I mean come on, this is their mission, and $500? The dorcas have been raising $$$...
Result: Headquarters called, sorry no money for you now, call later.
Action: The missionary called a friend, one of the LOCAL churches and told him the situation. The church sent him the money the next day.
Ugly, simply ugly..
Ex-members and current members of The vine church::
Please quit blogging.
AAnonsense: You have proven your point. The vine receives special treatment because Prado is a Board Member. Everyone please stop, you all are being an embarrassment to your church. Floyd you have demonstrated a lack of maturity by responding on this blog.
Solomon,
Lack of maturity? all was doing is clarifying the "chismes".
Floyd was very mature to settle this like a man by inviting his accuser to meet.
....
AND, what embezzlement charges were there? anyone else no more about this?
Truth be told?
Are you kidding me. You must really hate Floyd Duron by not letting this dye. With everything being, there is so much dirt coming out. Be my guess, let the blogging wars continue. I tried!!!
What about this embezzlement charges from Washington, the Canales were involved in? Anyone know anything about this?
Truth be told:
If the people you are mentioning did embezzle, there should be some sort of public record in Washington. Embezzlement is a crime, some public authority would of investigated. If you find out please let us know. Maybe you can start with the Yakima Police Dept. Or maybe the AA has information on this that they would be willing to part with.
If they embezzled why would Victor Prado use them in committees. If this true, why were they allowed to keep their ministerial licenses?
Try contacting the AA or some of the local police departments. I hope I gave you good advice!!
I doubt the AA got the authorities involved on this. I heard of sometype of embesslement going on in WA, but never heard the whole story. Anyone have information on this?
Truth be told?
Did the assembly sue them? Maybe there is a public record about that? One thing for sure, the assembly is not afraid sue if they feel they were wronged. Willie Mendoza is the perfect example.
I wonder if the AA wold have sued? but someone from the inside must know something.
Where are the insiders when you need them?
Viewing all your posts on this blog you would want to know something about a molestation. You are Sick!
Go some where else with your manuela!
AAnonsense, you and I are different; I don't want to be associated with you.
(Will be ignoring AAnonsense going forward!)
I am sorry I do not quite understand are you saying that it is okay for the assembly to sue but no one else can.
Or do I sense a hint of sarcasim
Truthbetold:
Good point. Kind of like AAnonsense decided to bail since he was caught with his hands in the MASA!!!!
From the inside, I hear that no formal charges were brought up against the bandits from WA.
Victor defended them an as you know, the power he has well........................................
AAnonsense:
You seem so interested in molestation. Scary!
Are you related to them?
Hmmmmmm.
SCARED of you AAnonsense.
Answers to All bloggers on Victor Prado...
If you want to know why anything goes with Victor Prado'S FRIENDS???? and you want to know why he "fights for them to the end"..
Just certainly sure that they are his "golf partners!!!!!!be sure "THEY ARE GOLFERS'!!!!!
Poor Ofelia she is so "south of the Border" she cannot keep up with the trends Victor has adopted...After all he is from Tia Juana also Valverde, Pacheco, Ma, Prado,and Martin...Sancho barely did it from El Centro...7 miles north of Mexicali, Baja California...
Sancho is first generation Mexican American, worked also picking oranges...
We begged Pastor Duron not to answer the comments of AAonsence and Seeker...If Seeker is your friend, who NEEDS ENEMIES....
_________________________
TO ANSWER TO "OH MY GOODNESS".....
DIDN'T YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THE LAST YEARS' STIMULUS CHECK was also collected by Sammy from his members???
ALL THE MEMBERS WILL RUN, EVEN THE Di MOONS, AND SISTER MARY....
HEARD SAMMY HAS THE "KIDS FROM HIS CONGREGATION "PEDDLYING CANDIES" AT THE SCHOOLS AND STORE FRONTS...
RANCIED IS DRVING THE BENZ AND SELLS TAMALES AT FONTANA'S SWAP MEET...
HARD TIMES TO COME UP WITH $80,000.00 PER MONTH.. FOR CHURCH MORTAGE!!!!
JUST TO "SHOW OFF" LIKE MO GREEN DID TO "VEGAS" AND WHAT DID IT GET HIM?????
WOW AND WOW.....
POOR JUDGEMENT....SO IMMATURE....
THAT'S THE WAY THE LOVE FOR MONEY AND MORE MONEY GOES....."POP GOES THE WEASLE!!!!!!!
ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME FOR "HUMPTHY HUMPY TO HAVE "THEIR" GREAT FALL!!!!!
To Sec Tec:
De lo que escribiste de el Paiz de Chile, Sud America...
Te dire que eso es precisamente lo que estoy diciendo todo este tiempo.
Pero los Pastores, Obispos, etc., estan sordos.....y luego se ponen a la defensiva, como dice la palabra de Dios en Salmo 115...
No ven, ni oyen!!!!
Georgia Marron Santa Leon son expertas, en colectar los dineros de la Flor Azul tres, cuatro veces o mas por ano para colectar las grande ofrendas para QUE DISQUE LOS MISIONEROS.....
PERO LUEGO PREGUNTELES A LOS MISIONEROS QUE TANTO DINERO LOS HONORABLES LES MANDAN?...
PERO SI AGUILAR LE DIO A SUS HIJOS, UN MILLON...Y AL OTRO LA IGLESIA DEL PASTOR GUILLERMO MENDOZA......
IMAGINESEN USTEDS......Y VALVERDE VENDIO LA IMPRENTA DE LA ASAMBLEA QUE COSTO TANTOS ESFUERZOS EN COMPRAR...por largos anos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LA VENDIO LA IMPRENTA VALVERDE Y MARTIN DEL CAMPO...
PARA QUE EL HIJO DE SAMUEL VALVERDE QUE TIENE UNA IMPRENTA DE NEGOCIO PROPIO,
RECIBIA TODOS LOS TRABAJOS DE LAS DORCAS, VARONES, MENSAJEROS DE PAZ, Y TODO LO QUE SE IMPRIMI DE LAS CONVENCIONES, FUNERALES Y DEMAS PEDIDOS....
Y ustedes dormidos....Y siguen mandandoles mas y mas y mas y mas etecs...dineero...Y si no les manda......AFUERA.....
POR ESO LES ENCANTA "LA DESCALIFICADORA......
PORQUE LOS MANTIENE EN EL DINERO DE $10,000.00 POR MES DE LA DIRECTIVA, Y LUEGO EL OTRO SALDO DE $4,000.00 GRANDE DE LAS IGLESIAS QUE DIQUE SON PASTOR SOLO DOMINGUEROS....
TODO SE TRATA DE PURO DINERO $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4444444
YA VASTA.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
PERO USTEDES DORMIDOS.....
Y SUS MIEMBROS DANDO, MAS Y MAS Y MAS
Y GEORGINA Y SANTA COLLECTANDO, MAS Y MAS
Y CUANDO UN MISIONERO PIDE....
"QUE BUSQUE CON LOS TRINOS" O DONDE PUEDA....
PORQUE ABEL AGUILAR Y PACHECO NECESITAN CARROS DEL ANO BENZ Y BI M W PARA LA "DISTINGUIDAS..."
QUE PENA Y QUE CARGA TAN TERRIBLE TIENE LA ASAMBLEA...CON ESTOS
"CONSENTIDOS",
"VIVIDORES",
Y "CONTUMASES."..
CON ROBO
Y MAS ROBO
A LA OBRA DE DIOS..
COMO DICE EL PROFETA EZEQUIEL...
Y USTED TENIDO QUE TRABAJAR MATERIAL MENTE Y TAMBIEN SU ESPOSA, Y PAGANDO QUE LE CUIDEN LOS NINOS...
PARA USTED SEGUIR DANDOLES MAS Y MAS Y MAS DINERO..
Y SANCHEZ CONSTRULLENDO UNA CASA EN LA PROPIEDAD QUE LES ROBO A LOS HERMANOS NARCIO Y CARMEN ROMERO, Y QUE EL HIJO DE ESOS HERMANOS ROMERO, QUE YA ESTAN CON EL SENOR JESUS...
EL HIJO DE LOS HERMANOS ROMERO COLLECTANDO "BOTES DE LATAS" PARA PODER RECIBIR DINERO EXTRA PARA VIVIR...
Y LOS HONORABLES CON SUS ESPOSAS EN BENZES, Y BMW....
Y USTEDES MANDANDO LES MAS Y MAS...
Y PRADO JUGANDO "GOLF".......Y USTEDES DORMIDOS....O TRABAJANDO DOBLE TRABAJOS.....
UNA COSA ES DE VERDAD Y ESTA ES CLARAMENTE LA VERDAD:
Que si no tomanos las elecciones en siero...
y demandamos que los votes en escrito se presenten al frente durante las elecciones.
Y no detras de una cortina....con los
"ORSUPADORES"....esto nunca se va a
resolver.
PORQUE VA A SEGUIR CAMBIANDO DE SILLAS....Y HACIENDO FRAUDE EN TODOS LOS DEPARTAMENTOS DE LA ASAMBLEA.....
En los anos atras del 1960....Antes que llegara Efrain Valverde a la Asamblea. Las elecciones eran abiertas y se contaban voto por voto..
Automaticamente todo Obispo ex- o
actual PODIA.... corria para la Presidencia,
y para los otros puestos de la Directiva National, TAMBIEN LOS ANCIANOS..PERO SOLO OBISPOS PARA PRESIDENTE Y VICE PRESIDENTE.....
ESTO TODAVIA ESTA EN LA CONSITUTION.....
VALVERDE "NUNCA" FUE OBISPO....
PERO SU SUERGRO CONTRERAS, DIOS LO TENGA EN PAZ....SE "ENCARGO DE ESO".....
LA DEVIA UN "FAVOR MUY GRANDE A SAMUEL VALVERDE"
La Mesa directiva era. Pres.,Vice, Pres, Secretario, Sub-secretario.
Tesorero, Sub tesorero...
solamente estos puestos era La Mesa Directiva...
Despues...su formularon...Los Committees.....Comites...
Missiones, Publications, Secretario de Education, Secretario de asistencia Social
Pero estos eran committies..No de la Mesa Directiva...
Pero Valverde cambio todo..Y El Hermano Nava lo HIZO ENOJAR tanto A EFRAIN VALVERDE, DIOS LOS TENGA EN PAZ.,
que al fin, Efrain Valverde EXPLOTO!!!!!EXPLOTO...
AVENTO A HERMANOS Y A HERMANAS HACIA ADENTRO DE CENTRO DE CONVENCION. EN EL "CONCOURSE AUDITORIO EN SAN DIEGO, AQUI EN CALIFORNIA..
EFRAIN VALVERDE
Hiso una tremenda DIVISION, se llevo a todos los Pachecos, Contereas y Valverdes..
Luego regresaron......
LO DEJARON SOLO....SOLO CON UNOS DE SUS FAMILIARIES...
Y AQUI TENEMOS A PACHECO, Y A VALVERDE.....DIOS SANTO AYUDANOS!!!!!
PERO VIENEN DE LA MISMA RAMA, DEL MISMO CONTROLADORES...ORSUPADORES...
PERO NO TENEMOS YA AL HERMANO NAVA QUE LOS HECHE....FUERA.....
COMO HECHO A EFRAIN...
CALMADAMENTE.....CALMADAMENTE, CALMADEMENTE......EL HERMANO NAVA, A SU ESTILO DE "INDIO"
A EFRAIN VALVERDE LE DIO HILO, Y MAS HILO, Y MAS HILO, HASTA QUE EFRAIN SOLO SE "COLGO"..
ASI TRABAJABA EL HERMANO NAVA...
CALLLADITO, CALLLADTIO, CALLADITO.....CALLADITO., PERO POR DEBAJO......
AFUERA.......
ASI HECHO EL HERMANO NAVA A MUCHOS MAS...POR BIEN O POR MAL...AFUERA.....
CALLADITO.........
PERO USTEDES TODOS LES TENIEN MUCHO MUCHO MIEDO.A LOS HONORABLES...........
Efrain Valverde introdujo LA "DESCALIFICADORA"
.....
Y DESPUES QUE LES GUSTO.A TODOS LOS QUE ESTABAN EN "PODER" INCLUENDO A D.J.....A EL HERMANO NAVA, PRINCIPAL MENTE....
HECHARON "FUERA" A EFRAIN VALVERDE, PERO '''SE QUEDARON''''
CON LA "DESCLALIFICADORA"....HASTA EL DIA DE HOY!!!!!!!
ASI TODOS SE CUMBREN CON LA MISMA COBIJA..
Martin Del Campo.. trajo el CID...
Y para aquellos que no saben...
El dueno de el G-12 es CASTELLANOS, que dio principio en Colombia.....Sud America.
Y tiene su Copy Right>'
Esto los debe de poner a pensar????
SI ES QUE USTEDES TO DA VIA!!!!!!! PUEDEN PENSAR.....
"EL ESPIRITU SANTO OS GUIARA A TODA VERDAD"
BUSQUE LA VERDAD....Y NO LA PIERDA....
HECEHELOS FUERA A LOS HONORABLES....
EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO...
FUERA.....!!!!!!
Que La Asamblea Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus Incorporada, esta Ligada con esa Corporacion.G-12 de colombia , sud america.
G-12 De Colombia. Sud America.
De Castellanos.
Mire en Internet:
www.G-12castellanos.org.
Que Dios tenga misericordia de Nosotros y los libre de estos......contumases!!!!!!
QUE SE A DUENARON DE LO QUE NO ES DE ELLOS.,
NI LES COSTO ABSOLUTAMENTE NADA!!!!!!
ABRA LOS OJOS Y MIRARAS LAS MARAVILLAS QUE DIOS HA HECHO...
SIGA ORANDO, Y SUS IGLESIAS EN AYUNO Y ORACION...
A AFUERA "LOS HONORABLES" EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUSCRISTO DE LOS EJERCITOS!!!!!
Out
the reason victor would use the canales at the time they moved is because victor DID NOT have musicians. Well , are you talking about mark? he molested a boy? his wife is related to john(someone posted foreclosure info) he (john) married eduardo pacheco's daughter.
But, I was told the canales had left the aa awhile back.
AAnonsense
embezzling in WA yes it's true and the aa knows it. But, they also know it had been going on for years and it took them YEARS to get rid-off the source.
Oh my goodness
Where did you hear about the tax cks refund?
ATENTAMENTE
the middle (canales) one left his wife because he got a girl pg....
Atentament
Is Josh C.(i think that was his name) still mariied to his wife?
Atentamento
correction : Is Josh C. still married to his wife?
LL
thanks for the info. What would be nice is for the WA church to post the financial and for Pastor Duron to post the financials on AA.info. AAnonsense has a good point, It would be nice to know if our board members are exemplary in managing their finances. Especially if they are receiving money from AA. Not fair their churches get the money and the rest do not.
As far as someone molesting a boy, I know nothing about that. It was atentamente that is makng that accusation.
Out
They won't because they with the aa. Some of the pastors I have met from WA are traditional pastors.
Atentamente
It wasn't the younger one that left his wife it was the middle one.
LL
Floyd Duron may know which brother was accused of molesting a boy, because if I am correct he was part of that investigation. I think he knows who the boy is. Their church # is 505 243 1522.
LL:
Let me add, in what capacity Floyd Duron was a part of the Investigation I am not sure. I do not believe he was accused of anything it may have had to do with his church position or something. Either way, it would be better to ask him about it over the phone then on the blog.
GBY
Sorry, I think I have to step in, in regards to the molestation. Should we not just request to find out who the molester is instead of the Victim?
Has not the victim suffered enough, do we really want to embarrass the VICTIM? Would you all like it if it were one of you?
What we know so far it was one of the Canales and we should leave it at that.
Please leave the victim out of this.
I am all for exposing embezzlements, mess handling of funds, election frauds and power abuse; But, when it comes down to Victims of Molestation, We should all respect their privacy and there is probably a reason as to why it is not made public like other cases.
If you guys keep pushing for the Victim’s information and a sensitive issue like this, you all are no better than the GB with election fraud, makes you guys worse!; like a bunch of thugs looking to expose anything and anyone even if it is not true and not care even though it might effective innocent victims caught in the cross fire.
The integrity of the blog (if there is any left! Yikes!) seems to be slumping down the pooper shooter, sorry to say.
Truth be told:
You are correct! My point to LL was to contact Floyd Duron since he was on church staff at the time. He could his questions answered and help preserve the integrity of Pastor Duron's church. Because if info of the accuser it will be only a matter of time till info of victim gets out.
We all are like president bush, that when the US was unable to find the WMD, they turned the war effort into a liberty campaign for Democracy.
Sorry to say you guys, we did not win this war about the election fraud, and not sure if we ever will. Our war with the GB election fraud is a not a win. We are all like sheep scattered, we are like a shot gun preach preaching at a youth camp with no substance and no vision.
The real winners are those in the AWA, they have moved on.
What are we really accomplishing here? this is Sad, we all are.
Truth to be told:
Excellent point; we are not accomplishing nothing!!! I would hope that Pastor Duron's members and friends will stop blogging.
Great on all the points you all are making. I agree let the victims rest!
Embezzlement? Too much to count within the AA.
Sources say the meeting all the bishops had at FTC was good only to find out that the churches that are not fulfilling the tithe of tithe will be dealt with. Each bishop will have to follow through with it and contact the pastores not paying their Socialist fees. I guess fundraisers will also be implemented. Ecah district segun!
I guess the heat was too hot for AAnonsense.
Atentament:
You probably want to let it die with AAnonsense, if we want to stop exposing anymore people. AAnonsense, please do not respond!!
I hear you all. I will stop. Thanks for the solid advice. No need to expose victims.
Let’s please respect the victim.
I am not sure what you are all about, not sure your motives are on this blog is; But let us ALL side on the victim and respect his privacy. Let us side on the voice of reason.
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On another note, does anyone know if the leadership of the AWA continue to pursue a lawsuit?
Canales' musicians?!?!
Where they any good?
Sorry just read that portion about them.
I wonder if the GB's ever discussed on a bail out plan for those church's that are not able to pay the tithes of tithes?
Anyone one here that is a member of the AA even give tithes?
Word of caution to every anonymous blogger out there:
Did you know we (we say we but, I honestly can say I have not) can be sued and identified for “libelous” comments?
What is libel you might ask?
1.a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person
2.print slanderous statements against; "The newspaper was accused of libeling him"
3.the written statement of a plaintiff explaining the cause of action (the defamation) and any relief he seeks
How do I know this? Well, you learn a lot when attending Grand Jury. I was surprised after and thought of this blog if anyone decided to pursue.
Anyway . . . I found the source of the AA member's bailout plan:
http://www.acnavafoundation.com/forms.html
Hahaha! Now to find out which one I qualify for!
TruthbeTold,
Not afraid of “libelous” comments.
Even if I never gave out my real name, I would not worry about getting caught.
Maybe the Nonsence guy can tremble about this?
HEY SEEKER, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE AWA WEBSITE.
SO THERE IS LIFE AFTER THE AA.
YOU KNOW, YOU ARE FOREVER CUSRED IF YOU LEAVE!
SCARE TACTICS, I TELL U!
What do you mean be cursed?
never mind, i must of read your post incorrectly, i get it.
Is anyone on this blog part of the AWA? Can someone explain the pros and cons of the new organization? Are standards still an issue?
Pastor Floyd!!!
First of all I would like to apologize. I realize the mistakes made could happen to anyone. Even though mistakes were made, your are at the church dealing with the high mortgage. I realize now there is a great deal of pressure on you.
I have been bothered with our Leaders because of the direction our organization has gone. Within myself I reasoned, why is it fair that Board members and their friends get help but the majority of Pastors don't. In your case it seems like a big mess was dumped into your laps. Not only are churches not being helped but also are forced to pay money. I let that get the best of me.
At what age you dated your wife is non of my business. Sorry for going there!!!
Keep being true to your call.
So much for the revolution !
All we have accomplished is to blog alot about all of the problems and air out everyones dirty laundry.
What happened to the mass protests and rallies that were discussed early on ?
It is better to move on and let the AA fall apart, the culture in the AA will never change.
The greed,nepotism and cronyism is too engrained in the AA it is too much a part of it and there is not one individual that will stand up and make the necessary changes internally.
Those who were bold enough to stand up for what was right were devoured and run out of The Assembly.
So why stay ? Join the AWA UPC or go Independant but do not stay in this horrible legalistic organization just because you do not want to be black balled or pegged as a rebel.
Let us stop caring what people will say about us and just be true to the call of God and win souls and work for the advancement of The Kingdom.
No matter what you do there will always be critics on both sides.
Enrique,
Are you surprised? This is how the AA is handled, talk talk and no action.
The AA is an organization that settles for mediocrity and has no valid standards to live by. Which is why their leaders and followers alike are as lost as Clinton at Promise Keepers.
WAKE UP ASSEMBLY! AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS?????????
Enrique:
Shut the front door Dumbass!!!
Hijole,
It does not surprise me but having grown up in The assembly I guess I always hoped that change would come.
As I went to College and prepared myself and saw many of my peers become intelligent and God fearing men and women of God.
Could you believe some old timers actually discouraged us from attending college ?
I hoped that we could change things.
But the old guard and the old mentality will not die.
So I found myself progressing and maturing, then finally outgrowing The Assembly and it's myopic view of The Kingdom of God and ministry.
Hey Enrique, seem as if your right about the Revolution everyone was preparing for. It just never started from the people, only the ex-Bishops and Pastor jump ship or got kicked out. If someone would of started a march around the Headquarters of the GB, maybe that could of been a start to get the people involved.
But your right, we only started a Blog with gossip.
Truth be Told
I agree with you let's leave the victim alone.
Truth be Told
I agree with you let's leave the victim alone.
Shane,
The General Board get away with so much because they know that most people will not oppose them.
Most Pastors are too scared to lose their little piece of the pie.
It could have been an awesome revolution that would have begun to foster change, they are just like politicians apply enough pressure and they will begin to fold.
Howver they are emboldened by the flocks lack of courage and fear of being labeled as rebels and malcontents.
I am just as guilty as everyone else of not doing more to press the issue.
Is it too late folks ?
Can we really and truly be bold enough to rise up and begin to demand change ?
Do the people have the power to effect change ?
Someone on here said a while back something that made so much sense.
The way to bring them to their knees is STOP giving tithes and offering.
It's that simple and if your pastor is too much of a coward to stand with the people then let him be ousted by th GB for not getting the money from the people.
I'll tell you one thing Enrique, if the Pastors knew they had insurance meaning that if they would of failed they already had a position as a Pastor else where with a SALARY, they would of attempted to conduct an dispute towards the GB's plan of the CID. According to my understandings.
But since the AWA was not established in the begining, no Pastors took that leap of faith and maintain silence which I really can't speak for them because a Pastor has to attend a congregation that still needs hope.
But right about now its already too late to make a dispute against the GB because the AWA has started its evolution. I don't think they will plan to comeback or settle an agreement unless the GB goes through a crisis and surrenders, but come on. This is the GB we are talking about.
Enrique,
creating change in the AA is not worth it. It's a waste of time and resources. The AA is only an organization, one that has been hi-jacked. Members are so enamored with this organization that they waste their precious Godgiven time wondering and trying to create "change".
Trying to save the AA is like trying to save the Titanic. Get out of the AA and join a church because the captains of the AA have lost their minds.
Hey isn't this Sam Valverde's sister or cousin praising the Lord in JEWELRY?
The AA and the AWA should just join this larger international organization...that is not only made up of a bunch of latino's!!
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elshofar.com/AWCF-64.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.elshofar.com/34th_congreso_mundial_de_awcf.htm&usg=__VN4FtUFwrFn8KNthaggeL_rGAlA=&h=480&w=640&sz=50&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=oS8LHkYxQ3-ufM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmanuel%2Bgaxiola%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
Sorry...look at the picture on the above link and under the heading ORANDO...it says Front: Bishop Peter Rowe, Back: Sis. Irene de Valverde
Sorry again...here is the direct link
http://www.elshofar.com/AWCF-15.JPG
Sancho, while you're pointing out one person praying with jewelry, there's millions of others around the world doing the same thing
Sancho, try to make your life a bit more relevant and stop wasting time pointing out meaningless things.
yes, i will try to make my life MORE meaningful and not point out these SMALL differences anymore.
I will NOT point out the differences between the AA organization and the other organizations like the AWA,UPC, PAW...etc...and also the AWCF (of which Irene de Valverde is ASSOCIATED with) and her relative, Sambucho Valverde is a leader of within the AA, ok? Yes...I will no longer point out the differences, mr. frijole.
HELLO MCFLY??? IS ANYONE HOME??????
frijole, are you a BLOG PATROL?
FRIJOLE, PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ME A CITATION FOR VIOLATING YOUR RULES OF BLOGGING!
PLEASE FRIJOLE!! POR FAVOR NO!!
Sancho,
It's me "hijole". Thanks for the frijole idea! I actually thought it was pretty creative, so I changed my name to it.
See, now you're getting the idea of being relevant. You're off to a good start mijo.
i'm glad that i was able to help you change...even if it was just your name.
Now, that was relevant, mijito!
its sad to see that efraim valverde and his cousin sam valverde...don't speak to each other.
what will they do when they see each other in heaven?
BTW everyone! I want to let you all know that "Frijole" formely known as "Hijole", has STAMPED APPROVED a portion of my blogging as RELEVANT.
If you need to comfirm that what you are saying is relevant YOU should check with Hijole/Frijole.
He is the BLOG PATROL on what is RELEVANT! Only he knows what is considered relevant or not.
This article about Richard Buffet being a cochino makes me ponder something.
I believe the reason that we see these problems is because these men are appointed by men and not called by God.
I heard about another cochino married pastor in Orange County that had a young lady living in his home that many suspected were having an affair.
The sad thing is he thought he was slick and nobody could tell that something was going on.
Now tell me does someone who lacks the moral integrity to be faithful to his wife have a calling from God ?
Does someone who never calls or visits his congregants even when they are deathly ill have the heart of a pastor ?
Does someone who was handed a congregation of hundreds and a nice general fund and property,who then turns around and loses more than half of his congregation and mismanages the funds have the administrative skills to pastor a church ?
I think not !!!!!!!
ROME, is he still Pastoring?...or good friends with any one in the GB?
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Shane,
Yes he is still pastoring and you got it right.
He is married to the niece of Daniel Sanchez.
You better believe that is the only reason he is still pastoring.
He is being protected by the godfather Sancheez.
The funny thing is that he is being protected by a man who was also never called to ministry.
How do I know this ?
#1: If you have ever heard him attempt to preach, you know that he puts everyone to sleep.
Someone who was truly called would not be that boring.
#2 : He apparently is a horrible leader just by looking at all the mess hes made of The Assembly.
Good going Sanchez ! You work all your life to become President then your legacy is to preside over the worst administration that the Assembly has ever known.
Thats what you get when you start off with someone who wasnt called by God and a uneducated cholo.
How sad that it took him so many years to become president,
You finally reach your goal and now your old and tired and close to retirement.
True success is to reach your goals as a young man, then take it easy in your later years.
Hey all,
This is the same pastor that is taking home "$2,500" a month as a pastor on the books that all his members "MIGHT" see, but in the 2nd set of books, he is taking close to 10K a month! This guy is making close to 120K a year! This guy is a real pig. And yes, he had a young lady that the wife had to tell him to get rid of..what a puerco! Abel, YOU are a puerco. By the way, what happened to your Asst. Pastor? a real man of integrity...did you give him the boot when he stood up to you and was going to tell the congregation the truth about your STEALING, CHEATING WAYS???? Thank you Jesus that your wifes uncle is the head Cholo GodFather himself, sancho sin bolas.
IAMREAL
Does anyone have a list of the churches that left the AA?
I'm curious about who is still around.
Seems rather quiet lately! No AA pastors sticking their tongues into young ladies mouth! Money still an issue! Ladrones! Y ustedes que les dan la luz verde!
What's really scary is that there always seems to be a lull right before all hell breaks loose again.
I Am Real,
You are 100% right.
I cannot believe he has gotten away with it for soooo long.
His Assistant Pastor just recently bailed on him and started a church with the AWA.
I do not understand why anyone is still attending his church.
As a person he is okay, but as a pastor and church administrator he is horrible.
He just seems to be after the big money and apparently the young ladies.
I have never heard of a pastor being paid a salary, and having the church pay his mortgage, cars, insurance,expenses, bills etc.....
But then again look at all the kool aid drinkers that followed Jim Jones to their death.
I guess you will always have sheep who will follow blindly.
However those of us who have a mind of our own are ostracized and blackballed as rebels.
I would rather be seen as a rebel by these un annointed goat herders and have my freedom.
Than to be though of as a good christian by them and be under their yoke of control and manipulation.
Why would anyone stay in The Assembly after seeing the truth about the culture that is bred, celebrated and promoted within the AA ???????
Who is the Pastor in OC that is helping himself to the baby sitter?
Regarding the 2 cousins that dont talk to each other you are wrong. Sam brought him back into the AA, he is/was a minister in National City.
That Pastor in OC is Abel Villanueva.
He is aspiring to become Bishop and with his connections and with the lack of annointed Men of God in The Assembly he fits right in with all the shysters and crooks.
Again I ask why is anyone still in the assembly after knowing all of this ?
WOW!!! Makes sense. Abel Villanueva is Sergio Villanueva's older brother. I guess it runs in the family.
Abel has two brothers who have a reputation for being cochinos, Sergio and Roger!
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO TO CONTACT TO OPEN A CHURCH WITH THE AWA?
To:Black List.
What City and state are you interested?
let me tell you whats next/ thought for the day/ and all your other names....
Brother you're soooooooo stupid!
Nobody gives a rip what you say.
Oyes Santo Lito, donde andas vos? Quiero que me des un telefonazo y me des el 411 de tu santa semana!
Lito - pleezet tuk tu mi bro! I neet yu to givet to me da 411!
My Green Shoes:
I am not Black list but I have been considering starting a church here in Albuquerque NM,
This is what I am looking for in AWA:
1. Are they holding to the following doctrines
A. baptism in Jesus Name
B. Oneness Theology
C. And only these two doctrine I believe in
the Holy, but I believe that speakig in
tongues is only one evidence of the
holyghost. Ultimately the true sign is
spiritual fruit as stated in Galatians and
Corinthians. This is my belief.
2. To allow local churches full autonomy.
- Define Dress Code or Dress Standards at a
local level
_ Do not want the Organization to impose
quotas on my church, Especially if they do
not help me financially when I start my
church; however, I do not mind giving
offerings if they are to help missionaries
and new works.
Is this possible or is it better to go on my own? I am hoping the AWA is more of a fellowship than an organization. Hopefully, I am not full of wishful thinking.
What are the requirements of joining the AWA?
ButchCassidy,
Do you believe that speaking in tongues is a must as an initial evidence?
"ButchCassidy" are you or were you a minister in the past?This might help those who would answer your question.
I'm not in the AWA or AA.
From what i hear; there is a Oneness Fellowship in Albuquerque already.
GREEN SHOES: IN ARIZONA
BLACK LIST: There are good churches in AZ that are no longer affiliated with the AA. Maybe try one of those?
To: Insider
Sam doesn't talk to a lot of his family and past friend's including
Baldemar (former collegue)
Torres (former collegue)
Tafoya (best friend)
Erik Rangel (cousin)
Jim Mena (former bro-in-law)
He won't even talk to you if you do not bring value to him. In other words he has this "what's in it for me" attitude.
He won't even look at you whether you are his own brother or mother, if you can't bring value to him.
How do I know? Because we are related.
Everytime we see each other he acts like he is meeting a stranger (for the first time) and asks me my name and gives me his name again. It's been going on for 25 years!!!
My girlfriend has known him since he was single and now he acts like he doesn't know her.
I have been involved in ministry, but never officially licensed. I have been an Adult bible teacher, Kids church ministries, Outreach director, Church treasurer, Church Secretary, Youth Pastor, Singles leader, home bible studies, Small group leader and other ministries.
My wife has been involved in different ministries. Praise team, Kids church director and ladies groups. My wife has her BS in Elementary Education and plans to start on her Masters.
I have a Masters degree and plan on attending Southwest Trinity Seminary to receive my doctorate in Theology and Biblical counseling.
The mindset in the AA is that the license defines your ministry and I strongly disagree with that concept. I feel a minister is defined by his actions. In my opinion, the AA has too many licensed ministers that enjoy titles.
My wife and I have been praying about this decision and want to make sure this is where God wants us. I do not want be under the AA because their system is designed for big brother to controll local churches. Similar to the Catholic Church
As my wife and I are in prayer and if the lord confirms that he is calling us in that direction, then I know he will provide regardless if I am non-denominational or with an organization.
The main reason for joining an Organization is for fellowship and sharing ideas with other pastors. As far as financial, my wife and I have been saving money in for this. Being that we assisted a pastor i UPC home missions, we have an idea of the work involved to start a church.
As my wife and I continue to pray and when I begin my Seminary courses, I believe the lord will confirm what I am feeling. As I plan for this call, I just want to see all of my options.
Pastor Sam is a righteous man of God! How dare you repobated sinners continue to blastpheme his name an his good raputatiion.
Just because pastor has the best and biggest church in the history of the apostolic assembly, you are proving your envying for his talents and mininstry.
Pastor Sam is success all on his own and don't need to water down standards like some of your churches.
God is hearing what you are writing so I would be very careful of what you say.
Judgements will fall on you.
Shane Showtime
Do you have info. of someone in the AWA who can answer my Inquiries.
Truth be Told:
I really do not want to have a discourse about that statement other than I am being transparent of where I am at.
www.acts29network.org is a great option if you want real ministry and no legalism or man made rules.
they look for people that are hungry for ministry and willing to face the challenge of church planting.
Truth Be Told:
What are some of their core beliefs?
you can listen to them:
http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/the-doctrine-of-acts-29.mp3
They are not apostolic for sure.
Truth be told
I hope you know that the Organization you are promoting is not aN ORGANIZATION that believe ins the baptism in Jesus name so there fore This Organization is out of the PICTURE =D.....
"if you dont beleive me check the statement found in the Genesis Church of Eureka which there is a link to it in the ACTS29 webiste
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience that symbolizes the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Savior. Baptism also pictures the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. Baptism identifies the person with Christ, following His example, and it is a testimony to his or her faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Baptism
does not save a person, but is an outward sign of an inward change, and is a requirement for membership at Genesis. Communion or the Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming."
http://www.genesiseureka.com/AboutUs/WhatWeBelieve/
Lets be careful with that just because someone says they are apostolic that or pentecostal that does not mean that they have ONESS beleives
Butch Cassidy, I don't have info for AWA.
But seems as if you have the credentials to move forward to your desire. But I don't think one can jump from applying as a entry level to CEO. I would think that if your are interested in being Pastor...it would require some time as a intern in other words a assistant or Co-Pastor.
To start a Mission, it would probably require an approval under the umbrella of a organization(AWA). Missions do require a ordained minister to be in supervision.
I understand your need, but this are steps(not correct) that churches would have to take as a form of Order.
I remember Erick Rangel from a long time ago. He was a good speaker and was part of the Sunday School booklets that were given out in the late 90's.
Anyways, last I heard is that he left the AA but does anyone know why?
Sanchez was not President but Baldemar was.
what is wrong with this synopsis of baptism? Do you believe in the outward baptism as saving a person fromhell?
Shane Showtime
From what I understand, the AWA wants to structure their system similar to the UPC. In the UPC, they have affiliated and non-affiliated churhes. When a church is non-affiliated they register themselves as a non-profit organization. If the pastor is licensed by the UPC then that church is considered UPC. How do I know this? I served as an assistant to the pastor in a Home missions church. I asked the pastor one time, how can I serve as your assistant when I do not have a license? His response was a license does not dictate your ministry.
I am not inquiring because ministry seems fun, but because I have served in a large variety of ministries up to assistant to the pastor. In no way do I think I know everything about ministry, that is the reason I want to go to seminary, but I have known pastors that have had less experience than me when they started. As far as I am concerned they have done awesome jobs as pastors. Pastorship is not about credentials but about the calling that is why I want confirmation by being diligent in prayer and study of the Bible. Meanwhile, I am preparing myself financially as well.
One of the reasons I want to talk with someone at the AWA is to see if I would be a good fit for them or vice a versa. The important thing is I want to fellowship with oneness churches.
ButchCassidy,
Here is the temporary link to the AWA website, https://www.advancedministry.com/sites/index.cfm?i=7797, here you can find the Name and number of someone who can help you, as well as answers to some of your questions.
God Bless and Hope the AWA is a fit for you and your family.
The outward Baptism is symbolic of the inward obedience to the command of God.
Water Baptism by submersion and in The nmae of Jesus is part of the plan of Salvation.
Not sprinkled nor in the three titles.
Que Si
Thanks
ROME,
So water baptism is an outward symbol. do you agree that their is a inward baptism, thus making it two baptism?
SANCHO
How are you related to sammy? Sam and 2 vote EP are so much alike.
I am not referring to an inward baptism as you suppose.
There is the baptism of water done in obedience and symbolic of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Second there is the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
The repentance and desire to serve and be obedient to The call of God and obey his plan of Salvation mapped out in scripture can be called many things.
We can argue semantics but were only going to go in circles.
I however did not mention or allude to an inner baptism.
Cassidy, I wish you luck as I would believe that the AWA just merge people from the AA to the AWA and nothing more. In this case that would probably mean that the system in appointing leaders to handle a new mission would require some stipulations from the system that they were use to while in the AA.
But if they had change that system, than I would assume you just need to find a contact reference for a quote(in short).
Shane!
Good point!
I have called on the Tri-unified prophets of Romo, Montengro and Aguilar to rebuke all you blogger for talking against the righteous one Sam Valverde! How dare you repobated sinners continue to blastpheme his name an his good raputation.
Pastor Sam the righteous one, will deliver us when he becomes president of the only divine church on earth the AA. God is hearing what you are writing and knows who has come against His righteous one, so I would be very careful of what you say. Because judgements will fall on you.
I know because the Tri-unified prophets spoke to me in a dream, and they to will come down on you with their wrath!
To everyone:
Like one other blogger says:
"DON'T BAIT ME"
Whats the date for Maffey's hearing again?
Here's a thought, can any of you name all the good Pastors in your District.
The thought came to me while pondering on how many horrible and mediocre Pastors are in my District.
I was thinking,is it possible that maybe the majority of AA Pastors were not called to ministry and were in fact appointed by an uncle, father in law or longtime friend.
And if the answer is Yes, then it explains so much as to why most AA churches have no vision and no growth.
And why they are mired in the mud of legalism, elitism, arrogance, pride and spiritual stagnation.
My District : East La
Good Pastors :
Heliodoro Guerrero
Ruben Villegas
Unfit Pastors :
Abel Aguilar : Arrogant and Biased when it comes to his kids.
Leo Maffey : Arrogant and Prideful
Felipe Hernandez : Ultra Legalistic
Jesse Rodriguez : Maffey Cronie ineffective.
Gil Moreno Sr : Ultra Legalistic
Porfirio Renteria : Ineffective and boring and money hungry.
Steve Roman : unprepared and boring.
Richard Maffey : Arrogant prideful and likes young girls.
Armando Juarez : arrogant and prideful.
Abel Villanueva : Money hungry and cold and uncaring.
WOW not much to work with here.
No wonder not much is going on in OC.
There are seven churches in Santa Ana alone all within a stones throw of each other.
No vision and too many little chiefs wanting their own piece of the pie.
Rome:
Heliodoro Guerrero
Ruben Villegas
Which one is you pastor?
Neither one.
My pastor was not mentioned on the list.
And of course I am happy where I am at now.
If you know my District it should not be too difficult to figure out.
And Ruben and Heliodoro are by no means perfect but in The District they are the better of whats out there as far as personality and friendliness go.
But Pastors with great vision and a true Pastors heart they can be counted on one hand.
And of course these are just my opinions and rantings.
I do not expect everyone to agree with me.
Rome:
If you do not mind me asking, where are you at now?
Are you still in the AA?
Yes I am for now.
However my pastor is considering making a move to the AWA,
So I dont want to throw him under the bus and bust him out on here.
He would instantly be lynched if the GB found out.
Hey Rome:
Good luck and more than likely it is a better move for him.
Anyway take care and God bless you!
okay you know we all used to get mad at facts but I think he is writting in a sarcastic tone.
So I think he actually means the opposite of what he says.
Erick Rangel is the grandson of Rev. Phillip Rangel,now with the Lord and also grandson of Hilario Pacheco, father of Lil Eddie..
Erick is nephew to Pacheco, and Eloise Pacheco de Rangel is cousin to Sam.
Erick's wife betrayed him. And she and her new husband are in full communion in the church of Sam.
Erick left the AA because his mother who "was" extremely legalist was always condemening other people, and she could not take it that Sam her cousin was not supportive of her son and now the ex-daughter in law remarried and her new husband is one of Sam's ministers at the Moe Green's desert resort.Fountain of lies.
The last time I saw Eloise Rangel she had a men's hair cut style...and had ear rings and was wearing a fancy set of marriage rings.
Fine..."goot" for her....but before she was so lealistic she'd send everyone to "hell" if you wore even a wedding band.
But now that her "theology" if any has changed...its okay....WOW!
Now what Eloise?
Eloise used to "adore" Bishop Baldemar..because she would "fight" hand and tooth, for his honor for she was eternally grateful for Bishop Baldemar sending Lil Eddie to Chile to save him from joining Bernice Molina from Tucson, Arizona who was repremended for the "car scam......"
See, Elioise and your brother Lil Eddie betrayed Bishop Baldemar...and is now one of the ha..."Honorables".....Wow and Wow again and again...
What time does Eli??????
May God have mercy on us.
To all bloggers:
There are so many of us "trying" to find the "right"church, the right holiness church, the right ministers and especially "caring" Pastors. THE ONENESS DOCTRINE CHURCH....THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH THAT WILL RAPTURED?
There is a verse in Nahum."Men go through and fro seeking for a "Place" they know now where?"
If We go to the AWA they were part, with the exception of Bishop Abel Torres, the same as the "HONORABLES".
In fact the "honorables learned from them....SAnchez, Valverde Pacheco, Maffey, Prado and the rest..
So now lets all make a change??????
W H E R E???????????????
The Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus and the Iglesia de Mexico are "running" a "MEAN AND VERY CRUEL AND SERIOUS MARATHON FOR MEMBERSHIP COMPETION.
THE PASTORS AND MEMBERS OF BOTH "FEEL THE WHIP" BEHIND THEIR BACKS. NOW THEY WILL HAVE "LESS TIME FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND CHURCH MEMBERS...
It is called "The Jesus Strategy"
"LA ESTRATEGIA DE JESUS"
WHEN DID JESUS SAY TO PETER, ANDREW,JAMES THE SON OF ZEBEDEE,
JOHN, PHILLIP, BARTHOLOMEW, THOMAS, MATTHEW, JAMES THE SON OF ALPHAEUS AND THADDADUS, SIMON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAS ISCARIOT.
"FOLLOW ME BUT TELL ME HOW MANY CALL GROUPS DO YOU HAVE????"
OR DID JESUS SAY" FOLLOW ME AND TELL HOW MANY "CELL GROUPS YOU WILL FORM"..
JESUS SAID TO THEM"FOLLOW ME AND I WILL MAKE "FISHERS OF MEN"..
AND IN THE FIRST SERMON THAT PETER PREACHED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST,
3,000 WERE ADDED TO THEIR 120 MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ADDED THAT DAY....
ACTS 2:38
WITH MANY OTHER WORDS HE WARNED AND HE PLEADED WITH THEM., "SAVE YOURSELF FROM THIS CORRUPT GENERATION"
THOSE WHO ACCEPT HIS MESSAGE WERE BATPIZED AND ABOUT 3,000 WERE ADDED TO THEIR NUMBER THAT DAY.
Acts 2:46.
Everyday they continued to meet together in the Temple Courts., theybroke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere heart.
1. "v. 46. Everyday they continued to meet together in the Temple Courts".
b. and they broke together in their homes with "glad and sincere hearts".
c. They praised the Lord.,
d. They enjoyed the favor of the people.
and
e. The Lord added to their numbers,
"daily" those that "WERE TO BE SAVED".
So do not get it out of "context".
THERE WERE NO "CELL GROUPS" THEY MET AT THE TEMPLE COURT AND THEY ATE IN THEIR HOMES.
IT WAS NOT "FORCED ON THEM" OR ELSE YOU CANNOT "FOLLOW ME"!!!!
JESUS SAID, "GO THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WORLD AND PREACH THE WORD..."
IT WAS "WILLINGFULLY" AND NOT BY "FORCED". WE SERVE AND ADORE GOD FOR WHAT HE DID FOR US AT CALVARY...
AND I BELIEVE THE "CELLULAR GROUPS ARE FINE....BUT NOT TO DETERMINE IF YOU CAN BE A PASTOR OR NOT....
AND ESPECIALLY BY FORCED....
THE OUT COME OF THE ENCUENTROS ARE AWFUL. THINGS GO OUT OF CONTROL, WHERE MIXED COUPLES ARE DANCING WITH OTHER PARTNERS, BESIDES THEIR SPOUSES...
AND "GOING INTO THEIR "SUBCONSCIOUS" AND GETTING OUT SINS ALREADY "FORGIVEN BY THE LORD" AFTER THEY WERE REPENTED AND BAPTIZED....
WHAT A NIGHT MARE. SOME OF THIS "ENCUENTROS ARE ALSO HAVING A FORM OF EXCURCIUMS, WHERE THINGS GO REALLY OUT OF BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVES, CONFESSING THEIR SINS ONE TO ANOTHER!!!!!
if this is where they are getting "their cell groups" and if this is where they are misintrupting this....???
"they met in the Temple courts daily, and then went to eat in their homes and praised the Lord.
The meeting for one week at the church of "Mo Green" at the meeting 2 weeks,trickly and only focused on 'THE CELLULAR GROUPS.....
WHY?BECAUSE THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO IS RUNNING THE SAME MARATHON.....
The AA , the Honorables, are not "messing" around with the Older Pastors, but "they sure are "forcing the issue" on the New Younger Pastors to "form" more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more cell groups.......
Not for Church growth, per se, as Peter Wagner's Theology.....But for the Marathon running with the Iglesia de Mexico!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to Martin del Campo!!!!
You do not mess around the La Iglesia de Mexico...one solitary bit.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You either have "Cellulas" or YOU ARE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND THIS IS WHERE THE AA IS NOW FOCUSED.....
So my dear AWA you will gain........
Because the GREAT EXODUS will be toward your newly formed ORGANIZATION....AND IAM SURE THE UPC WILL ALSO GAIN BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE "CELL GROUPS"..OR DO THEY?????
THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO AND THE AA WILL LOSE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMANY PASTORS............BECAUSE THE "CELL" GROUPS ARE FOCUSED ON THE PASTORS AND ITS MEMBERS....
AND THE HONORABLES WHAT????????????
PLAYING GOLF, TAKING VACATIONS, EARNING DOUBLE SALARIES UP TO $10,000.00 PER MONTH, BESIDES THEIR CREDIT CARDS PAID AND THEIR NEW CAR PAYMENTS AND ALL THE REST OF THEIR BILLS PAID..
ASK OUR "HONORABLE" SISTER "DENISE" AND GONZALEZ"....
ONLY THIS STRAGERTY::::::::::::::
EL AMOR AL DINERO ES LA RAIZ DE TODOS LOS MALES!!!!!!!!!!!
EL AMOR AL DINERO ES LA RAIZ DE TODOS LOS MALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EL AMOR AL DINERO ES LA RAIZ DE TODOS LOS MALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EL AMOR AL DINERO ES LA RAIZ DE TODOS LOS MALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EL AMOR AL DINERO ES LA RAIZ DE TODOS LOS MALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EL AMOR AL DINERO ES LA RAIZ DE TODOS LOS MALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOREVER AND FOREVER.
If the AA
"focused" on SOULS., THE HONORABLES WOULD "TAKE GOOD CARE OF THE EXISTING LONG TIME MEMBERS.....1 2 3 4 5 GENERATIONS....
BUT WE ARE TOOO WISE TO THEM...
SO THEY WANT US OUT!!!!AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE "TRYING TO FILL UP THEIR CHURCHES WITH NEW CONVERTS THAT THEY MUNIPULUTATE AND CONTROL AND GET THE OLD MEMBERS AND THEIR CHILDREN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
LIKE A BUCKET WITH A BOTTOM HOLE.
SO NOW "THE STRAGRATY OF THE CELLS" TO GET NEW MEMBERS, WHO GIVE AND GIVE AND GIVE AND GIVE,GIVE$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
IN THE THOUSANDS., AND GET "RID OF US" THAT "READ RIGHT THROUGH THEM...
WE ARE THEIR "CROSS" AND THEY ARE "OUR STUMBLING BLOCK."
I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A MILLION YEARS THAT VALVERDE IS PAYING $80,000.00 per month on the gymansium building.....
He is telling that to the congregation...Another stragety to gettaaaamore and more and more
"for the "FOREVER BUILDING FUND"..
TO GO DIRECTLY INTO HIS POCKETS...
THE AA AND THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO ARE SLAVE DRIVERS......AND WE HAVE SAID "ENOUGH"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT WHERE CAN WE GO?
TO THE RACIEST, NOW CONVIENENT UPC., OR TO THE AWA WHO ALSO WERE
PART OF THE "HONORABLES" CONDUCT???
IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET AN APOLOGY, PERSONALLY FROM BISHOP
BALDEMAR, AND SALOMON FOR WHAT THEY DID TO US IN THE AA REIGN!!!!!
IT WOULD BE TO THEIR GREAT BENEFIT.....
BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD "TRUST THEM"...
BECAUSE THE BIBLE STATES...
"EL QUE SE HUMILLARE SERA ENSALSADO."
Y TAMBIEN DICE LA BIBLIA DESPUES DE LA "ALTIVEZ VIENE LA CALLIDA".
DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS...
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US.....
WE ALL NEED TO FELLOWSHIP. THAT IS GOD GIVEN TO US...
WE FIND THIS IN THE BOOK OF THE ACTS....AND IN CORTHINTS.
WE ARE BORN TO LOVE AND BE LOVED., NOT TO BE "EXPLOITED" AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE OFF.
BISHOP BALDEMAR AND SALOMON, COME FORTH AND APOLOGIZE..GOD HAS FORGIVEN YOU....
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW YOU TRUE TEACHINGS FROM THE HOLY SCRIPTURES...
GOD BLESS YOU....
To al bloggers:
The G-12--Castellanos from Colombia..plus Benny HInn...
www.g-12castellanos.org.
The many books the La Iglesia de Mexico leaders read:. all trinantarians. from the G-12 that by the way are copyrighted., and cannnot be practiced unless permission and payments are given to the castellanos organization....
La Iglesia de Mexico uses the g-7 they got in trouble with the Castellanos org.,
So think and think hard.......
Think again...
What has the AA done to us that they CAN AND DO USE THE G-12 FORMULA????
Is the AA affiliated with g-12 Castellanos and Benny Hinn??????????????????
Wow answer us "Honorables"???????
How come you Honorables have intruduced the g-12????????
Think AA pastors....Or do I have to write all this in Spanish??????
We are in the UPC and have cell groups..actually we just call them bible study groups. Through out the Phoenix Metro Area every week there are bible studies. Most with new converts. I don't know if every UPC church does this but we do....
Copyrighted? Are you serious? Please tell me thats a joke. If its not, that is friggin sad. And its a sad commentary on how money, the love of money is the root of all evil.
Can you imagine if John the Baptist would have copyrighted baptism? Or if Apostle Peter would have copyrighted baptism in Jesus name? Or if Jesus himself would have copyrighted the Sermon on the Mount.
A very sad day. At least Berie Madoff pimped investment scams.
The modern church is pimping Jesus, Hope and Salvation for every last penny they can get, including and not limited to the monuments to their egos financed on the backs of the hermanos.
Yes, Jesus is the “stepping stone” not the “cornerstone”. I don’t see much of a future for the AWA as well.
Same wine different wine skins.
If baptism and oneness theology are the only things either one of these organizations are offering, watch out.
Henry and Arizona:
Thank you very much for your contribution to my comments.
What you wrote is much more than
what I did.
Yes, Bible study and prayer meetings
are excellent...But the strategy that
"these Cellular groups" are "forced"
upon the Pastors by the Honorables.
And to the members by the Pastors are horrific...
Let me tell you of one particular
senario that is going on in one of the L. A. area churches here in California...
MAYBE YOU ALL KNOW OF MANY LIKE THIS ONE....THAT I WITNESSED!!!!
One particular (set aside) deacon, has been for over 10 years is one that "works day and night setting up cell groups".. This is in the AA.
Well the lazy good for nothing Pastor, who is an addicted golfer,AND VACATIONER... has exploited the church to the limit.
so this deacon that the lazy Pastor will "NEVA'!!!!!!
RECOMMEND FOR ORDINATION...
Keeps this deacon working and working and working. the day of baptiziums the Pastoa, yes I mean "Pastoa" baptizes the new converts..
Because remember very good that the set aside deacon, cannot baptize...So the Pastoa...baptizses and "GETS THE CREDIT" for evangelizing, recruiting and bringing them, the new converts to church...But he, the "Pasta" is the one that "gets the priviledge of baptizing the "souls, DON'T YOU FORGET" THAT "HE" AND HIS POLITICAL WIFE, DO NOTHINGS......DID NOT EVEN LEAVE THEIR ROCKING CHAIR WHERE THEY WATCH T.V. DAY AND NIGHT, AND THE WIFE IS IN THE INTERNET' E-MAILING ALL HER "CROONIES" WHO ALSO E-MAIL BACK...AND HAVE THE "DORCAS" DO ALL THE WORK WHILE THEY E-MAIL ALL DAY AND GO SHOPPING AT NEIMAN MARCUS, AND THE LIKES...
This is the "nasty" and corrupted planned out system of all the "lazy Pastors....
The cellular groups are formed, but the Pastas, "golf" and the Honorables golf, vacation and the "deacons set aside for over 10 years".....do not get the credit...
But "DON'T FORGET "LAZY PASTOAS,'
YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN THE TRIAL OF THE "WHITE THRONE".....
BECAUSE THE FIRST "RESURRRECTION" YOU SURELY WILL NOT "MAKE IT"..
DON'T FORGET EITHER YOU PASTOAS, WILL BE "HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY MEMBERS OF YOUR CHURCH...
THE RECOMPENSE FOR THE "SET ASIDE DEACON" WILL BE GLORIOUS GIVEN BY THE LORD., AND YOU "LAZY PASTOAS" WILL BE SEND DIRECTLY TO THE LAKE OF FIRE!!!!
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US....
COME LORD JESUS!!!
Let Me Tell You Whats Next:
Well, in that case, the deacon is where he will always be because he's content. Don't get me wrong, but 10 years as a deacon?
At some point the deacon has to take matters into his own hands and walk into the Promised Land.
Don't get me wrong, I think churches are not immune to the need of money. There are many organizations who work with a Chartible Purpose as mandated by the bible and the IRS Code.
Its just a shame that notable churches are using Fear, the threat of losing your Salvation to keep the offering plates full.
Jesus didn't die to get you into the Prosperity Doctrine. He died to Redeem us.
I firmly believe if we follow the Charitble Purpose as outlined in the Word, we can be a blessing and in turn be blessed, not only spiritually, but emotionally, physically as well as monetarily.
Anyhow, Lord Bless you all this Passover week.
[Let me tell you whats next]
Whatever happen to that 10 year Deacon? And where did this happened at?
Think and think again,
I think you might have Erik and his brother Nate, mixed up.
To Rome;
My brotehr or Sister; PTL!
I was reading your post were you give your opinion on the pastors of your district.
I just have two questions for you regarding your post
1. of the pastors that you've listed - have your spoken two these pastors or personally know them and their vision for you to speak of them in that way
2. i noticed that you did not comment on the pastors from sector 1 or 2 from your district - why is that
The reason why i ask these questions is because i know most of these brothers and some i would agree with you and others im not to sure.
God Bless!
redeemed in the blood,
I can only speak on what I know and the ones mentioned are the ones I have have come in contact with or have experienced their lack of humility or their lack of leadership skills.
The others I know by name but did not and cannot comment on what I have not experienced. Or on someone I do not know.
Besides these are just my opinions about these men.
Someone else might think they are the best pastors ever.
However if anyone holds them in high esteem, it would make me wonder how limited and narrow their contact with real men of God has been.
Just my 2 Cents.
Just to add a quick sidebar.
Some of the mosst awesome and inspiring True Men of God that have had an impact in my life.
Have not even been Pastors and some were not even Ministers.
And those who have looked down on me and discouraged me the most have been Pastors.
What is wrong with that picture ?
I tell you it comes back to being handpicked by an uncle,relative or buddy. Rather than Men with a true calling and anointing from God being in the positions of leadership.
praise him! Just moved to the valley,does any one know a good church?Sanfernando valley.
I complained to Hoyer about us losing all our weekday services to the G-12 cell groups.
All he said was that the Pastor was a "MAN OF GOD"
So tell me Hoyer why have we lost 2more families? , more on the way out.
I think we're down to 20 members now.
[Truth for Once]
Is Hoyer your local Pastor? And was that all he said in response to your question?
So this G-12 is what the AA calls "La trajedia de Jesus" or the "The Tragedy of Jesus." No wonder we're losing all these folks from our congregations. It's turned out to be a total disaster for the church because of the wannabe leaders of the AA who think they know more than God. All they know is to copy other denominations because they don't have any brains whatsoever. Imagine and they are called our leaders. That's scary!!
So many trends in church come and go.
Godchasers
Purpose Driven Life,Church etc...
Prayer of Jabez
G12 / Encounters
When it comes down to it there is nothing new under the sun and we do not have to chase after methods and strategies for growth.
The Spirit draws people and if we consecrate our lives and align ourselves with God's will he will move on our behalf.
Then there will be spiritual growth and numerical growth.
Why so many churches are stagnant and dead are because we have leaders that are trying to grow for the wrong reasons.
Their goal is growth for the purpose of collecting more tithes.
We should seek after impacting peoples lives with the gospel and truly loving them as Christ would as well as helping them grow in their walks with God.
But what do we Apo's do with a new convert ? We bombard them with legalism and ask them to conform in the way they dress and the music they listen to etc....
And God forbid should they make a mistake or fall in sin cause then the true pharisee in Apo's rears it's ugly head.
We do not need strategies and techniques !
We need to simply go back to basics.
Love God with all your heart and serve him as best as you can.
This Love will cause you to turn around and Love your neighbor and treat him with true Christian compassion.
That's it it is that simple.
The AA is evaporating day by day and the GB does not care as they think that the Tragedy of Jesus will multiply people. But thats the thing, its gonna bring new converts with low interest for ministry. While this is happening, families with ministry are going away.
President Sanchez, I know you read this blog daily, my thoughts for you is to remove this Strategy before more families leave you. That means your salary will not be healthy as what you had in mind. This is not about Pride but about doing the right thing. I know your brother John Sanchez won Bishop for So Cal District, and that was rigged to make sure your plans came about and not God's plan. Galatians 6:7
Slowly God will reveal the entire GB and its comrades as Maffey is first in line. I know you, President Sanchez, will not do as what they, the people that pay your salary, ask of so God will reveal all you out and you will surely loose everything. Its not a matter of faith to protect you against us, but its a matter of being against God's will. Since right now you are praying to God that we all shut up it will not happen. Sorry Mr.Sanchez =]
I still visit the AA churches once in a while as I have friends who still attend with thoughts of leaving. So in the mean time, I will visit but my tithes do not belong in the AA.
Shane Showtime:
No Hoyer is the Bishop of the district. When the Pastor took off all the weekday services because he was to tired. I complained to Hoyer the Bishop. Might as well have complained to Mickey Mouse. Both seem to live in DisneyLand
To all bloggers:
May God bless all of us...
concerning the Strategy of Jesus... I think that it is a good method of winning souls. If you have done it yourself as I have, then you will know that it is a good method. It simply allows people to get to know Jesus in a more comfortable atmosphere. We forget that not everyone is the same. There are those who will not come to church because they will feel out of place or feel uncomfortable but they have no problem going to a home and hearing the word of God. Lets get one thing straight my brothers and sisters, this cell group, bible group, friendship group is nothing new. We are just the last organization that has embraced this method. Unless you have a 1,000 member or 2,000 member church then I dont think no one should criticize this method of winning souls. The problem that we are facing is that there are lots of apostolics who dont like change. They are comfortable with their 50 to a 100 member church... We are supposed to be growing. If we say that we, the oneness believers have the truth, then why are we keeping it to ourselves? Our churches should be growing weekly if not daily. Everyone of us including those in this blog should be carry out the great commission that Jesus gave us in Matt 28:19 to go out and teach all nations... I mean anyone who is interested in winning souls should be willing to give this a chance. Or give anything a chance for that matter to winning souls.
Do I agree to stop mid week services for friendship groups? Of course not. Should this replace services? Of course not. Friendship groups doesnt have to be on a particular day. Each individual can choose their own day to have a bible study at their homes.
Is the strategy of Jesus being forced on Pastors? Not that I know of... otherwise all the churches in our local district would be doing this. We would have been told by our Pastor that it was a must... This is not a must. Its simply those who are interested in doing so.
Lets not forget that WE choose to come to church. WE choose to submit to authority. WE choose to follow the standards that are set before us... But no one is forced to do anything. If this is a bad method, then please tell us another way of winning souls. Because Lord knows, thats what we need to be doing in our organization. It sad how there are churches with only 50 to 100 members in their church. If your church is not growing, then there is something wrong....If your church is growing, then please share with the rest of us what your method is and then we can look into it. There are more than one way of winning souls. The strategy of Jesus is just one method... Doesnt mean that it is the only method...
God Bless All of you this Day that the Lord has made
So many trends in church come and go.
Godchasers
Purpose Driven Life,Church etc...
Prayer of Jabez
G12 / Encounters
When it comes down to it there is nothing new under the sun and we do not have to chase after methods and strategies for growth.
The Spirit draws people and if we consecrate our lives and align ourselves with God's will he will move on our behalf.
Then there will be spiritual growth and numerical growth.
Why so many churches are stagnant and dead are because we have leaders that are trying to grow for the wrong reasons.
Their goal is growth for the purpose of collecting more tithes.
We should seek after impacting peoples lives with the gospel and truly loving them as Christ would as well as helping them grow in their walks with God.
But what do we Apo's do with a new convert ? We bombard them with legalism and ask them to conform in the way they dress and the music they listen to etc....
And God forbid should they make a mistake or fall in sin cause then the true pharisee in Apo's rears it's ugly head.
We do not need strategies and techniques !
We need to simply go back to basics.
Love God with all your heart and serve him as best as you can.
This Love will cause you to turn around and Love your neighbor and treat him with true Christian compassion.
That's it it is that simple.
[Only]
I'm not gonna flame on you cuz you come in peace in the name of Jesus.
I still am contact with some Pastors in the AA and I asked about the strategy and if its a mandatory program. They all said yes and it was mentioned in the Pastor's meeting a at the begining of last year. So Bishop Hoyer is force to have all churches do this cuz it comes from the GB.
In the So Cal District, JOhn Sanchez is forcing all churches to get into it as he is related to Daniel Sanchez, go figure right.
All groups in the church are suppose to create cell groups, from seniors to juniors....
I know what your saying..."whats wrong with that..."? well since this keeps a church more busy then ever, the GB removed district events that Youth and Juniors look forward to. By removing the district events, a lot of families feel that this Strategy is going into a different direction that causes confusion. That's why a lot of families are leaving cuz they want their own kids to grow but are not happy with this changes.
If you tell me, I use to like the district events; District Services, Cinventions, Sector Services, District socials, Disrict Camps. Its was all good back then and youth that were visitors got pulled in this way from the events.
The cell groups also is a system that forces souls to get baptized in matter of weeks or months. I recently spoke to a pastor in San Diego and he told me that 2 families were baptized, praise God, but after 4 weeks they stop showing up to church. Now tell me something, were they ready to actually make that personal decision for baptizm? I'm not fully understanding the line up of teachings in the cell groups but obviously something is not being said right if newly converts stop coming to church after being born again.
To Shane Showtime:
Thank You for your humbleness...
It may be true in those districts, however in the East Los Angels District in where I am from, there has been no mention of a MUST to do the strategy of Jesus. Maybe in the future, but as of right now, there has been no mention of being forced to, however, I will look into it just for clarity purposes.
As far as forcing souls to get baptized, shame on those who do that. In the friendship groups at our local church, no one is forced to get baptized. Because it is up to the individual. We have members of the friendship groups who have been going for months now not yet baptized. But they are faithfull visitors to the church.
The line up of the friendship groups is to introduce Jesus Christ to those who do not know him. It allows people to be open and express their feelings or their concerns concering Jesus or the church.
The studies in this strategy teaches the individuals the basics of the Bible, Christian living, turning to Jesus rather than turning to drugs, alcohol or gangs.
It could be set in a home, or at a coffee shop, or where ever the person in charge of that group chooses.
One of the good things about this is that it doesnt get into doctrine right away. Not for the 1st 12 weeks. It simply gets into connecting the Lost to Jesus Christ. It then gears the visitors to coming to church. It builds a trust with the visitors and the brethren...
Thank God, that my group has been very successful. We started with 1 person and now have 12 people getting together once a week learning about Christ. These are 12 individuals who never knew Christ and are now eager to learn more about him. Praise God!
So I believe with the right spirit, and the right approach, this is a successful message. Now when you start forcing people to do this, it will not have a right spirit, so in the aspect, I agree with you.
I am more than willing to answer any questions concerning friendship groups.
May God continue to Bless all of us. In Jesus Name
Builds the trust then they get hit hard for the MONEY!!!!!
To: The truth Be Told,
Im sorry that you feel that way? Are you a victim of this at your local church? If so, I apologize. Lets keep in mind, that not all churches are the same. Not all Pastors are the same. Not all friendship groups are the same. Again, it must be done in the right spirit. If the organization wants to do things shady then that's on them. Or anyone for that matter. But lets not assume that everyone has the same intentions.
God Bless us all tonight
Only
First of all...AAFCJ is not preaching an apostolic messege..it has gon another direction..People are getting tired of the substitute (the Strategy of Jesus by castellanos)
The people of God...Want the reall thing, no strategy, no substitute, no man made ideas but the REAL thing the very word of God..The true apostolic messege..
I am out of the AA bcuz truly it is not apostolic anymore..It has completly transformed it self and this is exactly why i say it is not apostolic assembly anymore...
I know of pastors that r using this method and they simply dont care that people r leaving..A Pastor told me "Its ok let those that want to leave go..I dont need the old ones I need new people to fit with the vision of the Strategy of Jesus"
I then understud this is what is happening the people that have kept the truth..the reall thing the reall Jesus with no strategy or man made ideas have left bcuz they dont want to be in somthing that is fake..somthing that really doesnt get them no where..the Strategy of Jesus works the church mambers day and night to the point where they r not benig edified spiritually..they r always doing and doing and doing but NEVER becoming...Everyone remember we must all go ORGANIC search for the truth search for the reall Jesus and his teachings..He is the same yesterday, today and forever...So why r some churches CHANGING because they have accepted False teachings they have LOST their first LOVE..God Bless U all..
Especially u (only) u will need It!
may the Grace of God Be with U.
I didn't complain about the share group. After the Pastor took out our only weekday service. I said not at the cost of the worship service. Have the share group someother night.
But Pastors have gotten so lazy lately. In my case my father was in the hospital for 3 months, and this Man of God showed up only ONCE. Said he had other people informing him about the sitution. In other words doing his JOB. While he sits home and twiddles his thumbs.
Like someone said earlier the wife is on the internet all day. HE shows up for 2 hours on Sunday thats only 10 hours a month. Throw in another 30 for share group and study that comes up to 40 hours a month. 60 to 80 @ hour. How I wish I could send someone to do my job and keep me informed and still collect a full paycheck.
Only
First of all...AAFCJ is not preaching an apostolic messege..it has gon another direction..People are getting tired of the substitute (the Strategy of Jesus by castellanos)
The people of God...Want the reall thing, no strategy, no substitute, no man made ideas but the REAL thing the very word of God..The true apostolic messege..
I am out of the AA bcuz truly it is not apostolic anymore..It has completly transformed it self and this is exactly why i say it is not apostolic assembly anymore...
I know of pastors that r using this method and they simply dont care that people r leaving..A Pastor told me "Its ok let those that want to leave go..I dont need the old ones I need new people to fit with the vision of the Strategy of Jesus"
I then understud this is what is happening the people that have kept the truth..the reall thing the reall Jesus with no strategy or man made ideas have left bcuz they dont want to be in somthing that is fake..somthing that really doesnt get them no where..the Strategy of Jesus works the church mambers day and night to the point where they r not benig edified spiritually..they r always doing and doing and doing but NEVER becoming...Everyone remember we must all go ORGANIC search for the truth search for the reall Jesus and his teachings..He is the same yesterday, today and forever...So why r some churches CHANGING because they have accepted False teachings they have LOST their first LOVE..God Bless U all..
Especially u (only) u will need It!
may the Grace of God Be with U.
To Called2proclaim
Thank You for the blessings...
may we all be blessed by Jesus.
But if the ten year faithful deacon makes a move on his own, he will be considered out of order, the pastor will plot against him until he leaves his church cause now he is a threat to him because he will never recommend him for ordination. And then you have bro. Fdre that is going to be a deacon and has not even recievedd the holyghost ,came from another doctrine and teaches our youth false teachings his daughters both teen pregnacies his wife dreesing worldly and with all that he is recommended That's how the ball rolls in the aa.
To Evrybdy: My pazt is horibul, my fushre iz incierto, and der r onlee 4 owerz lef b4 tuday is gon! Por favor ayudenme. Necesito amor, mucho amor!
Tengo un problema y es que me gustan "los nachos" y a nacho le gustan "las gorditas". Anyjuan makin "tacos al Pastor" tumorro? Pleezet leevit da Pazturs alon!
Pray for Obamanos!
I totally agree with the previous comment that the feeling from some pastors that they don’t care for the old ones is only for bringing in new people is very true.
Also, here in the L.A. area several churches have even cancelled Sunday school.
What’s up with that?
César Castellanos es el héroe de aquellos que siguen los métodos del G-12 para igle-crecimiento. Castellanos, se dice, recibió de Dios mismo la "Visión G-12" que es la supuesta clave para un avivamiento mundial en el tiempo del fin. Es característico que las personas que creen en esto hablen con frecuencia del "Encuentro."
Varios ministros apostólicos en diversas partes del mundo han adoptado tales métodos como si fueran pan del cielo, y miran a Castellanos como un guía espiritual en el tema. Algunos pentecostales inclusive nos han advertido que no nos opongamos al G-12, pero cuando pedimos evidencias bíblicas sobre los "encuentros" y el principio de tener "12 discípulos" no volvieron a escribirnos.
La relación de Castellanos con Benny Hinn es bien conocida. Se sabe que la hija de Benny Hinn vivió con Castellanos y su esposa en Colombia por un tiempo. Ellos han compartido la plataforma como hermanos en la fe. Pero es conocido que Benny Hinn es un maestro de falsas doctrinas como la "palabra de fe," "el evangelio de la prosperidad," un Dios trino en el cual cada "Persona divina" es compuesto de cuerpo, alma y espíritu, etc., etc.
Me pregunto si los pentecostales apostólicos estarán pronto dispuestos ha compartir la plataforma con Hinn, porque al parecer sería un honor para ellos hacerlo con Castellanos...
¿Cuán lejos podemos estar de la verdadera doctrina bíblica antes de ser considerados apóstatas?
¿Puede tener comunión la luz con las tinieblas? La Biblia dice que no.
El G-12 no viene de Dios, los "encuentros" no vienen de Dios y todos aquellos siguiendo este nuevo camino ecuménico han de terminar vendiéndose por un caldo de lentejas.
Me parece increíble que apostólicos que han recibido la revelación del Dios todopoderoso en Cristo, del bautismo invocando el Nombre de Jesús, y la recepción del Espíritu Santo hablando en otras lenguas, se piensen tan desconectados de Dios que deben buscar un "gurú" carismático que supuestamente está más a tono con Dios que ellos. Aparentemente esta gente cree que nadie en el movimiento apostólico fue suficientemente espiritual para recibir la supuesta revelación de la "Visión G-12" sino uno que no es bautizado en el nombre de Jesús y que cree en un Dios en tres Personas. No sólo eso, sino que es uno que ha dado todo su apoyo y recomendación al ministerio de Benny Hinn.
Hermanos pentecostales apostólicos, ¡es tiempo de despertar!
Y si usted que está leyendo esto asiste a una iglesia pentecostal donde se hacen "encuentros" y se sigue el método G-12; no dude, sino salga inmediatamente de allí y busque una iglesia donde todavía se crea en la separación, la verdad, y se ponga sobre todo a Dios y Su Palabra, no el número que personas que se pueda obtener por métodos cuestionables.
La apostasía apostólica del tiempo del fin ciertamente ha comenzado...
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any news coming out of the East texas District Convention?
Storyline was that 1 or 2 congregations would be leaving....
Hey Jessie, a lot of churches in So Cal stop having Sunday School about 5-6 years ago. Its not new here.
And a lot of churches time Sunday Night Church for early morning services for at least 2 Hours. Is it wrong? Moving services to a different time, no. But for 2 Hrs??? Maybe that is why God has not healed the people because the people want to get church over with on a Sunday and spend the rest of the day at home watching Chespirito and Cantiflas.
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