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Orange County District Attorney
Press Release
Tony Rackauckas, District Attorney
401 Civic Center Drive West
Santa Ana, CA 92701
For Immediate Release
Case # TBA
November 12, 2008
Contacts:
Susan Kang Schroeder
Public Affairs Counsel
Office: 714-347-8408
Cell: 714-292-2718
Farrah Emami
Spokesperson
Office: 714-347-8405
Cell: 714-323-4486
PROTESTANT PASTOR CHARGED WITH MOLESTING
14-YEAR-OLD FEMALE PARISHIONER
NEWPORT BEACH– A Protestant pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente was charged today for molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner that he met through his job. Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child between the ages of 14 and 15, and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molest. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of five years and six months in prison. He is out of custody on $100,000 bail. Maffey is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 5, 2008, at 8:30 a.m., Harbor Justice Center, Newport Beach. The Department will be determined later.
Maffey met Jane Doe through his role as a pastor. Between May 2008 and August 2008, the defendant is accused of violating his position of trust by engaging in illegal sexual contact with Jane Doe. On multiple occasions, he is accused of passionately kissing Jane Doe on the mouth. He is also accused of contacting her several times to meet and engage in kissing.
Anyone with additional information or who believes they have been a victim is encouraged to contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714)347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff’s Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at (714)647-7419.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Department investigated this case. Deputy District Attorney Tony Ferrentino of the Sexual Assault Unit is prosecuting this case.
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Wasn't Richard Maffey in line to serve on the Apostolic Assembly General Board? Has the organization made a public comment? How far in advance did they know Maffey was performing these lewd acts and did nothing?
Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay the attorney's fee's and penalties.
http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=1074&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Pastor-Accused-of-Kissing-Teenage-Girl.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-pastor13-2008nov13,0,1568393.story
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=10649090&src=news
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7851143&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
3,530 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 2401 – 2600 of 3530 Newer› Newest»In the manner that the Apostolic Assembly was founded. Was in a great need for reaching Souls for the Kingdom of God!
If some of the leaders had errorous ways of betraying the works of the Lord with strives to "control" and munipulate" This was certainly very wrong.
But this is still God's church.
And let me tell you young people. The roots of the Apostolic Assembly were based on a lot of prayer, vigils and fasting.ALL YEAR ROUND!!!!!!!
The Church to the founders of the Church,GAVE "meaning" to their lives. The Church gave them good morals. EDUCATED THEM THROUGH THE BIBLE. MANY LEARNED TO READ , AS THE BIBLE WAS THEIR ONLY SOURCE"...
Settled family disputes and encouraged others to have true christian relationships in the Church of the Lord.
The community and the deep rooted love for each other still exits in many of the Brethren that were blessed to live during that "great Revival. AND THUS TAUGHT THEIR CHILDREN THAT GOD ORDAINED DOCTRINE.
The old timers. Encouraged fellowhip, communion, and the ministry of helps in each church.
If a new comer would come to the Church. There was love to hold those persons in the Christian home.
There was truly community and respect and love.
If a "HANDFULL' OF THOSE OLD TIMER LEADERS AND THERE CERTAINLY WERE SOME...FILLED WITH GREED AND SELF GLORIFCATION....THEN LET THE LORD DEAL WITH THEIR SOULS ON THE "GREAT WHITE THRONE"..
MEAN WHILE YOU SERVE GOD. LOVE AND RESPECT HIS CHURCH., AND PRAY FOR THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY...
PRAY AND DEMAND IT FROM GOD TO "SET IT FREE" FROM THESE WOLFERINES.....MONEY AND MORE AND MORE MONEY.
GOD WILL SET US FREE...
AND PRAY FOR GOD FEARING LEADERS....
NOT FOR "SELF" BUT FOR GOD AND CHURCH. BECAUSE WE ARE THE CHURCH.
BUT WE HAVE TO TELL THESE "HONORABLES" THAT THE ONE AND ONLY REASON THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY ORGANIZED WAS TO HAVE RECOGNITION FOR FULL PLEDGED MINISTERS UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE AND COUNTRY.
IN ORDER TO MARRY AND OFFICIATE IN OFICIAL SERVICES.
BUT THERE CERTAINLY WAS NO PERSONAL GAIN AS FAR AS "OUT DOING" THE CHURCH MEMBERS BY HAVING "MERCEDES, BMW AND GALA BANQUETS FOR $10,000.00 OR MORE GAIN.
ESPECIALLY THE HOMES WERE BASED ON THE OTHER HOMES OF THE MEMBERS.
AND CERTAINLY NOT ELABORATE FOR "SELF GLORIFICATION!!!!
SURE THINGS HAVE CHANGED...BUT LOOK AT THE COST OF IT..
THE MAIN PRIMARILY PURPOSE IS TO "PREACH THE WORD". EXHORT, WHICH MEANS TO "ENCOURAGE, LOVE RESPECT, TRUST AND HELP YOUR BRETHREN..
THOSE ARE THE APOSTLE PAULS' WORDS TO TITUS AND TIMOTHY, INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!
THE TRUE RELIGION IS:
ESPECIALLY FOR HELP AND ENCOURAGEMENT TOWARD THE ORPHANS AND THE WIDOWS.,
THAT IS THE TRUE RELIGION.
TO INFORM THE CHURCH ON THE SOON COMING OF THE LORD AND "SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND ALL HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU."
THAT IS THE WAY THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY WAS FORMED...
BUT THEN THE DEVIL CAME IN FULL FORCED WITH THE FLOREWRS, THAT HAVE DESTROYED SO MUCH YOUTH.. AND THEY "THE FLORSURS "HIDE BEHIND THEIR WIVES SKIRTS...."
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY AND THE LORD REBUKE THEM IN THE NAME OF JESUS. AND DISSEPATE THEM NOW!!!!!!
"TRUST IN THE LORD AND LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING. IN ALL THY WAYS ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND HE (GOD) WILL "DIRECT THY PATH" AND LOVE, PRAY AND GOD WILL CERTAINLY
ANSWER US.....IN JESUS NAME...
GOD BLESS ALLLLLL O YOU...IN JESUS NAME..
DON'T EVERGIVE UP!!!!!
any news on the aa's pastors conference in fot in fontana?
Yes:
Its to collect minimym $10,000.00 from every church...plus $20,00.00 per Bishop...
Pretty high price to pay for that.
We are suppose to be Saved by Grace and not by money....
Heard Rachel is getting alot of "under the table" monies from the spouses of the Wanna be Bishops wives..
She is at it again.....!!!!!
More and more money..
The retirement age of 70 is mandatory now.
First in the Agenda...$$$$$
Second: The Encuentros....Cellualr Club
and
Third retiring Sanchez who is 78...
What a gain for Rachel with all the money "under the table she is getting...
Doesn't do her any good...she is still so matronly....
New applications are being "mocked", by Valverde for recruitments for receptionist, data base experties and financial advisors for The Three head Honorables...
We all know that these positions have already been distributed to "their own kind"...
So why in letters@aposotlicassembly.com is these "mock" applications posted?
Only to "shut" the inquiries of those wondering why the "only employees at the G-Offices are members from the "Three Honorables churches.
We are contact Alex Santos..@ (909)
987-3013.......
Be sure to tell him you have an honorary "High School Diploma" as all the Honorables have...
Thank Goodness the home boy Alex Santos is still there he is "our" source of info from the GB-offices.
Keep up the good work Bishop Santos.
Be true to yourself. Remember,
1-honor, 2. morals and 3. Church..
We are glad to have you "aboard"
in the Underground Mission...
We will "overcome" in Jesus Name..
God bless you Brother Santos...
re: Richard Maffeo
I thought March 23rd was his court date. Does anybody know any details about the outcome?
New letter on apostolic letters:
Con esta carta le estoy dando gracias a Dios porque asistimos a la actividad que se llevo a cabo en California por AWA Yestamos muy contentos porque nos unimos a ellos . Nosotros estubimos toda nuestra vida en la asamblea Apostolica , mi esposo fue pastor en Nuevo Mexico por 14 años pero teniamos que
via jar como 70 millas para ir y venir para cada actividad . Un dia mi esposo y yo pensamos en empezar una obra aqui donde vivimos para no estar viajando. Hablo con el obipo de Nuevo mexico y el le dio permiso para empezar studios biblicos luego decidimos rentar un lugar con nuestro propio dinero y esfuerzo mi esposo entrego la iglesia que estaba pastoriando. Mi esposo hablo con el Obispo para haber si la nueva obra podia ser aceptada en el distrito de Nuevo Mexico. Por mucho tiempo el Obispo nos ignoro por fin yo decidi y le escribi una carta al Obispo y le dije que decidieran la situation un dia el llamo a mi celular y me dijo hermana ya hable con el Obispo Presidente ya todo esta arreglado solo falta citar a su esposo a una reunion en Lovington Nuevo Mexico para que el decida a que distrito quiere pertenecer a Nuevo Mexico o Texas. Mi esposo estubo en dicha reunion donde tambien estubo el Obispo y anciano de Texas. Eso no lo mencino el Obispo de Nuevo Mexico. Alli el Obispo de Nuevo Mexico nego todo lo que antes habia dicho. Alli segun El Señor antes Obispo Ramirez de Texas mi esposo tenia que quitar el anuncio y cerrar la Mision para poder seguir perteneciendo a la asamblea tambien el antes anciano de texas lo amenazo diciendo que algo muy grave les pasaria a mis hijos. Pero asta hoy gracias a Dios todos mis hijos estan con vida y salud y que ELSEÑOR reprenda los malos deceos de dicho anciano.
Pero ahora me doy cuenta que segun ellos son muy extrictos con las reglas y ellos mismos las violaron en las elecciones. Con que razon dice la biblia: PONEN CARGAS QUE ELLOS NI CON UN DEDO LAS LEVANTAN.APARTE DE QUE TIENEN LA VISTA MUY CORTA. Segun no se puede abrir una obra si en ese pueblo alquien de la Asamblea esta alli aunque por 50 años no haya progresado de todos modos el es el dueño de todo el pueblo. A ESO LE LLAMO YO TENER LA VISTA MUY CORTA.
Estar en la asamblea es como estar con un gobierno de dictadores haces como ellos dicen o te MATAN. Ellos que predican de AMOR y que dicen que les important mucho las familias de los pastores , ESA ES LA MAS GRANDE MENTIRA. Yo le escribi al PRESIDENTE Y VICIPRESIDENTE y me ignoraron
Pues nunca recibi una respuesta pues ellos solo se ocupan en sus propios intereses. Despues que trabajas por años y pones todo tu esfuerzo ni las gracias te dan solo te ignoran . ! QUE EL SEÑOR LES PAGUE CONFORME A SUS OBRAS!
Nosotros seguiremos trabajando para la obra del SEÑOR unidos a AWA gracias a DIOS porque se a formado ese grupo . Pues nosotros sabemos que a los que aman a DIOS todas las cosas les ayudad para bien.
Esta carta no es anonima pues a aunque soy una mujer me gusta ser valiente y no escondo mi identidad
Ni me gusta negar lo que digo.
HNA: MARGARITA GONZALEZ
It is funny how FTC uses double standards when it comes to certain things.
Ryan Hernandez is a perfect example... cuzn to Tim Valverde.
He got a girl pregnant... that was in the choir- had to marry her so rumors wont start flying out!
UPDATE:
Pre-Trial Hearing Continued for April 28, 2009.
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Maffey, Ricardo Avalos
Demographics...
Eyes: Green Hair: Brown Height (ft/in): 5'8" Weight (lbs): 240
Names...
2 names found, displaying all names.1 Last Name First Name Middle Name Type
Maffey Ricardo Avalos Real Name
Maffey Ricardo Alias
Case Status: Open
Details...
Case Stage: Entered Release Status: Released on Bond DMV Hold: N
Charging Document: Complaint Mandatory Appearance: Y Amendment #: 0
Case InfoHearing InfoRelease InfoSentencingCounts
4 counts found, displaying all counts.1 Seq S/A Violation Date Section Statute OL Violation Plea Plea Date Disposition Dispo Date
1 0 11/26/2007 288(c)(1) PC F Lewd act upon a child - age 14 or 15 NOT GUILTY 03/06/2009
2 0 11/26/2007 288(c)(1) PC F Lewd act upon a child - age 14 or 15 NOT GUILTY 03/06/2009
3 0 11/26/2007 288(c)(1) PC F Lewd act upon a child - age 14 or 15 NOT GUILTY 03/06/2009
4 0 11/26/2007 288.3(a) PC F Luring of a child with intent to commt specified crime NOT GUILTY 03/06/2009
HENRY,
Did Richard Plea or was he fould not guilty?
Looks like Sister Margarita Gonzales put a lot of NO VOTE scaredy cat ministers to shame.
The trial is still set. The continuances are part of proceedure that both sides are entitled to. He has plead NOT GUILTY.
That doesn't mean there is no Plea Bargain in the process, that we know of.
If it were me, I would fight to the bitter end, with this particular charge. If I was willing to plea, it would be for probation and a non-registration as a sex offender.
However, with the nature of the first three counts coupled with the luring count, I think the DA would require some time to be spent in State Prison, considering he allegedly used his position of trust, as her pastor, to seduce her.
But yes, if I were Richard, I'd go for broke. For any time to be spent in prison, Richard would have been better off to committ an armed robery, fraud, or other crime.
Sex Offenders have a worse time in Prison. Especially a Member of the Ministry who used his ministry to seduce a child.
Thanks for the info. I would have to agree with you, if he goes to jail BUBBA is going to have a field day.
Any one know if Richard is still pastoring right now during the case? I heard that he has been visiting some churches(not to preach) and has been sitting in the back wearing casual clothes.
Henry, do you work in a legal field?
Richard is NOT pastoring. He is attending church with Abel Aguilar.
I guess you could say I work in the legal/criminal justice field.
Well Henry keep us informed on that as I met Richard in the past and to me he seem as an avid pastor. He had some good messages, but too bad this happened.
Either way his trial will end up being a loose-loose situation just like the case between the GB vs the ex-Bishops.
I change my name as I notice that "Skotty" is a notorious name among this blog and youtube. I don't want to create any confusion.
How are the services in the AA and the AWA? Any animosity talk between the congregations?
Sounds like age discrimination lives in the asamblea.
Of course, expect Valverde /Pacheco to amend the bylaws when they turn 69 years old.
Politics will be politics. It doesnt matter if its the AA, AWA, IMF, GOP, DEM, AFLCIO.
As long as their is money and power up for grabs, there will always be a power struggle.
I'm neither here or there. Yes, I'm with the AWA, largely because I like my Shepherd and because I wholeheartedly disagree with the manner in which the current AA leadership are handling themselves.
Then there is the issue of hypocracy from Edward Pacheco and clan.
Actually, the AA needs a good cleansing.
Look at the mess it has with certain pastors and ministers who abuse their position to get laid.
Lord forbid the accusations against Maffey are true. Molesting a child?
The AWA is cool. I did and do disagree with having Art Tafoya as a member of the organization and a recognized leader.
But the structure of the AWA will not permit Tafoya to do anything crazy.
Pass the Ofrenda bucket, ke no?
How will they enforce the over-70 rule? By taking over the pastor's church? What if the church is NOT in the AA's name? How will they deal with over-70 pastors in those positions?
HER NAME IS FINA
Camindo Voy:
Thank you for the letter of Sister Margarita Gonzalez.I tried to get into "letters" When I saw her letter but could not.
Now I can read it thanks to you.
Now my questions are? Who is the Bishop Ramirez she writes about?
What Bishop from Texas was there and what Anciano?
She does not give us full names.
The reason is because it is not clear whether she is with the AA.
Let me say something to Sister Margarita. It is too bad you had to find out the "hard" way that this General Board members are
completely and totally distraut, crazy and "MURIBUNDOS!"
If you say one thing, they "HEAR AND INTERRUPT IT ANOTHER CRAZY, SO CRAZY...IT MAKES YOUR HEAD SPIN...
Oh...I better write to her in Spanish.....
Hermana Margarita. he tratado de leer us carta en letters@aposotlic assembly.com...Pero no he podido..
Se lee su nombre pero no la puedo leer.
Es una tristeza que usted y su esposo hayan pasado por esta experiencia tan incredible con la "Mesa Directiva." Yo les nombre 'LOS HONOARABLES" porque asi se inditifican ellos...
Pero no son "HONORABLES" son mimados, consentidos, y perverzos.
Individos que roban al rebano para tener Casas lujosos,y carros que ni aun les quedan, porque son tan pobres, y de una cultura MUY baja.!!!
Criados en una pobresa peninama...
Pero todos los PASTORES, OBISPOS, Y EL PUEBLO EN GENERAL.....LOS TIENEN BIEN CONSENTIDOS, Y MIMADOS....
SPECIALMENTE LA GEORGINA, LA SANTA, Y LA FRANCISO. QUE TAMBIEN SIEMPRE "HAY FRAUDE EN ESAS "DORCAS ELECCIONES.
PORQUE ESAS YA ESTAN "BIEN ENTRENADAS, PARA SACAR, Y SACAR, Y SACAR, Y SACAR MAS Y MAS Y MAS Y MAS DINEROS DE LAS POBRESES HERMANAS DORCAS.
ASI ES QUE SIEMPRE "SALEN LAS MISMAS" PORQUE ASI NO TIENEN QUE ENTRENAR A OTROS....
AUNQUE LAS QUE LAS MANDA ES TAMBIEN ROBONA..LA RAQUEL VALVERDE, QUE LAS MAGNEIA...MUNIPILADORA, QUE LE DAN DINERO PARA QUE "LAS MENCIONE EN LAS REUNIONES DE DORCAS'...
Les dan tanto dinero que los han hecho unaS BESTIAS SALVAJES....
NO TIENEN COMPASION DE NADIE!!!!
Usted no se explica quien es el Obispo Ramirez, de Nuevo Mexico, ni tambien que Obispo de Texas, ni tampoco que Anciano...
Lo triste es que LA IGLESIA CATHOLICA TIENE IGLESIAS EN CADA ESQUINA.....PERO ESTOS HONORABLES...LIMITAN QUE LA OBRA DE DIOS CRESCA!!!!
ESTAN EMBELECIDOS POR SATANAS.
CONFUNDIDOS POR LOS DEMONIOS...
Y DIOS LOS HA ENTREGO A "UNA MENTE DEPREVADA....Y CONFUNDIDA...
ROMANOS CAPITULO I.
PERO MUY TRISTE ES QUE TAMBIEN DANIEL SALOMON Y OBISPO BALDEMAR RODRIGUEZ FUERON IGUALMENTE ASI!!!!
ASI AHORA ME DA GOZO QUE HAN CAMBIADO....Y QUE AHORA SI TIENEN "COMPASION" DE LOS QUE ESTAN SIENDO "DADO BOLA NEGRA"
NOSOTROS PERSONAL MENTE LE PEDIMOS LA AYUDA A DANIEL SALOMON, CUANDO EL ERA VICE-PRESIDENTE...Y NOS TIRO A "LO LOCO".
AHORA EL PUEDE SABER COMO SE SIENTE TRATAR CON EL "LOCO DE LA CABEZA, INSOLENTES, Y BURLADORES, Y MALVADOS COMO SANCHEZ, PACHECO.
ESPECIALMENTE VALVERDE, Y EL
DESCONFLICADO DE PRADO Y MAFFEY...
SON INDIVIDOS SIN TEMOR DE DIOS, NI SABEN QUE ES AMAR A SUS HERMANOS EN CRISTO.....NO TIENEN A DIOS EN SU NOTICIA...
DICE LA PALABRA DE DIOS "DESPUES DE LA ALTIVEZ, VIENE LA CALLIDA."
QUE DIOS LES BENDIGA...
Y OJALA ESTOS DE LA AWA SE HALLAN
AREPENTIDO....
DE EL HERMANO OBISPO ABEL TORRES, NO TENEMOS MAL QUE DECIR DE EL.
EL HERMANO TORRES TUBO UNA CREANCIA BUENA, CON UN PADRE Y UNA MADRE CRISTIANOS....
TAMBIEN EL PASTOR DAVID ZUNIGA...EL AMA A DIOS Y SUS HERMANOS EN CRISTO....Y LOS APOYA Y LES AYUDA....
PERO LOS DEMAS ....DIOS NOS LIBRE..
PERO DEL OBISPO SALOMON....DIOS NOS LIBRE....
ES DE EL MISMO CORTE DE "LOS HONORABLES"..
OJALA..........QUE ESTO LO HALLA HUMIADO Y SE HAYA AREPENTIDO....
OJALA....QUE DIOS LE PERDONE!!!!!!
OJALA!!!!!
DIOS LE BENDIGA HERMANOS GONZALEZ.
THANK YOU CAMINANDO VOY!!!!
MY MOUTH MY SAY:
THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION:
IF THE CHURCH PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE NAME OF THE ASSEMBLY...WELL THEY SURELY WILL "KICK HIM OUT ANY"..
IT WILL BE "MANDATORY" THAT ALL PASTORS 70 OF AGE WILL BE "RETIRED"..
EXPECT THEHONORABLE SANCHEZ, BECAUSE HE STILL HAS TO COMPLETE BUILDING THE HUGE HOUSE HE IS BUILDING AT 906 NORTH CITRON STREET, ANAHEIM, HERE IN CALIFORNIA. THIS LOTS HE "STOLE FROM THE "HEIRS" OF BROTHER NARCISO AND CARMEN ROMERO...
SO SANCHEZ CANNOT AFFORD TO GIVE UP DOUBLE "SALARLIES" CHURCH AND GB SALARY OF $10,000.00 PER MONTH...
BUT ALL THE OTHERS 70ERSSSS OUT!!!
THIS WILL BE A BLESSING FOR THE AWA....
GOD BLESS YOU.
GOD BLESS YOU.....
THE INSIDER:
Why is Richard Maffey congregating
with Abel Aguilar????
Poor Abel ever since he had to "flee from San Jose from Sister Angie....he has a lot of skeletons in his closet...That is why he stays away from home up to 27 days...
Home is hell.....His wife the Mesa doesn't let him "forget".. So he stays "Away"..where San Jose????
"show me the way to San Jose"!!!!!
Why doesn't Richard go to church with
his Brothers. Leopardo in Santa Ana 2nd., and in Perris, here in California with the 'HOLIER THAN THOU.....SERGIO....SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SAY NO EVIL, PERFECT, LEGALIST.....PASTORS...
IF YOU THINK THE MAFFEYS ARE BAD....YOU GOTTA ANOTHER THOUGHT COMING....THE CHAMPION IS THEIR MOTHER ESTER AVALOS AND OF COURSE
HER "FAVORITE SON" SERGIO, FROM PERRIS.....
THESE TWO ARE THE "CHAMPS.....
MAY THEY TOO REPENT AND LEARN THAT GOD FORGIVES....HOW ABOUT THAT SERGIO....GOD FORGIVES?????.....OR DOESN'T HE?????
MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU FOR HOW YOU TREAT POOR!!!!!"DEBBIE"...
To LOSERS AND BETRAYERS:
1. Alex Santos-General secreterial Adm.,
2-Natanaiel Ocha- real Estate Dept.,
3- Julia Leal Accounts payable
4.Rena Gonzales, Accounts Receivable,
5.Guadalupe Marroni, Bookeeper;
6.Catalina Rojas, Administrative Assistant;
7.Ben Bernal, Shipping and Receiving,
8.Denise Reyes Receptionist;
9.Roberto Oros, Network Administrator;
10.Carlos Banuelos, Bookstore clerk;
HOW CAN YOU GO TO WORK AND PRETEND ALL IS WELL AT THE "WESTERN FRONT"
WHEN YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE WORSE "HIPROCRITES" AND YOU KNOW
PERFECTLY WELL THAT GOD IS GOING TO JUDGE YOU IN THE "GREAT WHITE THRONE"..
BECAUSE BELIEVE ME YOU ARE "NOT GOING TO MAKE IT TO THE "FIRST RESURRECTION'!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE ALL CONDONING AND IN DEEP
DENIAL THAT YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE "GESTAPO"
YOUR BROTHERS IN THE LORD VINCENT ALVAREZ JR., AND GERMAIN GOT "THE KICK" AS SANCHEZ SAYS., BY NALOLEON AND VALVERDE, "WANNA BE BISHOPS":
AND THERE YOU ALL TEN ARE......
WE ALL PITY YOU FOR YOUR HAVE THE WORSE JOB IN THE WORLD. FOOLING AND EXPLOITING PASTORS, BISHOPS, ELDERS, MISSIONS, EVANGELISTA AND YOUR OWN FAMILIES.....
YOU ARE TRULY PITIED!!!!
WHEN WE SEE YOU COMING WE MAKE A "REBUKING PLEA TO GOD".
AND THAT MAY GOD "WAKE YOU UP FROM THE "CULT" TRANCE YOU ARE ALL IN."
YOU ARE "BRAINED WASHED TO"
NO SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SAY NO EVIL....
FROM THE HONORABLES.....
YOU ARE ALL A "LOST BASKET CASE>
ONLY GOD CAN SAVE YOU....AND FORGIVE YOU....
WE CANNOT "STAND TO SEE YOU"!!!!!
WELLL YOU WILL "MOST CERTAINLY" GET IT FROM THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD...
FOR "ENABLING THESE "HONORABLES" TO
KEEP DEFRAUDING THE CHURCH OF THE LORD...
and collecting more and more and more and more and more monies...
THAT'S THEIR RELIGION AND YOURS...
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE SLEEP....??????
JUST TO GET A "FEATHER IN YOUR HAT>>>????? AND A 'PAT' ON YOUR BACK!!!! AND WHAT ELSE.....$$$$$$$
YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE "LOWEST"
I GUESS YOU ARE TOOO...
"MADE BLIND", AS IT READS IN JOHN CHAPTER 9. AND PSALM 115:
YOU WILL LIVE TO REGRET IT...AND VERY SOON REGRET IT...
ESPECIALLY YOU MRS. GONZALEZ,YOUR FATHER PRABALY GOT SICK OVER THIS...
AND GUADLAPUE MARONNNI, AND NAT OCHOA....YOUR GREAT GRANDFATHER WOULD "TURN IN HIS GRAVE"IF HE KNEW THE WORK YOU ARE DOING???
ENABLIYING, ALLOWING, AND CONDONING., SUCH EVIL......
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF YOU...HIPROCRITES...
Receptionist Position at HQ
• Must be a member of the Apostolic Assembly
• Must be baptized in Jesus Name at least 2 years
• Must be baptized by the Holy Ghost at least 1 year
• Must have the full and unreserved written recommendation by your current pastor
• Must be in good standing with local church
• Work from 8am to 5pm (overtime only if necessary)
• A high school diploma or general education degree (GED) is required, along with three to six months of related experience and/or training, or an equivalent combination of education and experience.
________________________________
WOW it harder to get a receptionist position at HQ then to become a board member
Thanks for the memories: This info. comes directly from resources in El Paso, Texas.
In regards to your question regarding the abuse against the Gonzalez family by these men who learned from the "best." The bishop who was supervising then whom she refers to as "Ramirez" whose first name is Lorenzo is from the West Texas District. The anciano then was and is the present bishop from the same district "Saul Rocha." I believe Rene Gaxiola who lied was bishop and still is the present bishop of New Mexico. The present bishop Saul Rocha is a radical bishop and pastor who according to him and his wife live by the book BUT the family is another story. Just like the GB!!
Update on Lorenzo Ramirez;
He has become really bitter against the GB after they used him and later disposed of him and his family only to be forgotten. My resource says he hasn't been seen in any district or sector activity. Another victim spiritually destroyed. When will the bishops,elders and pastors learn that these evil men are there to suck the spiritual blood out of them only to be left to die!
TO Margarita Gonzalez:
If someone shares this comment and interpets it for you I just want to commend you for continuing serving the Lord in the midst of this injustice that was done against your husband and you. My resource tells me that Bishop Rocha who then was the elder of your sector has some skeletons in his closet. His family who has been held by him and his wife to be the perfect family with no stain or blemishes has an older daughter who many know in that district had visited the night clubs in Juarez, Mexico and I'm sure it wasn't to share the gospel. What about his youngest daughter who they said had come here to California to college and then returns after the year is over and shows up at Bishop's day with the family. Guess what a baby also appears in the big picture who they say belongs to someone else. They tell me the baby is a beautiful baby who looks just like the youngest daughter. So Sister Gonzalez it is sad that this anciano who bacame bishop tried to scare you by telling you something bad would happen to your children if you didn't obey. Those tactics have been used for years by the GB,bishops, elders and pastors to try to control those who don't do as they say. In this case it backfired!
They must do alot of Benny (Ham) Himm watching, and learn real good from him.
He is good at scare tactics, send money or your children will be cursed.
Benny Hin is funny. He claims to cure cancer, heal aids, heal the cripple, even raise the dead. But he can't quite heal that bald spot on his dome.
Funny.....
Benny has a attractive daughter...you can see her on youtube for all the lurkers.
I wonder if she has exercised her virginity right? The AA would love to jump on that. j/k
HENRY,
What happen with the other pastor that went to court and was found guilty?
Barrientos was sent to Imperial County Jail.
What did mr.Barrientos due?
To all that are left in the AA, get out while you can. IF the K-GB DO NOT love their own families, how can they love you? Here is the perfect example: So-called bishop Eddie "El-Mas-Chueco" Pacheco, had a division in his church a short time ago. In this split, his daughter and son-in-law left. He has never spoken to his daughter or son-in-law since. I have it from a good source that his daughter has been trying for months now to reconcile with her father. He has not made any efforts to reciprocate all her attempts to contact him. I hear, also from the same source, that she wants to reconcile because Eddie is gonna be a grampa soon......Now I tell you, is this any way for a "Christian" to behave towards his own flesh and blood? Of course not, but its the "K-GB Apostolic" way. When you are sick, dying or hurting, will they be there to help you or see you thru your troubled times? NO WAY!!! Eddie and the rest of the KGB'ers are way TOO proud to do that for you. Eddie wont even love his "lost" daughter, son-in-law and now, future grandkid!! What a mess this AA is now. Get out while you still can. Anything is better than this mess.
IAMREAL
TO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT IS NEXT...
I KNOW PASTOR ABLE AGUILAR BUT I DONT KNOW ANY THING OF THIS PASS
I DO KNOW IS DAUGHTER AND WE ARE FRIENDS, I TO AM A SINGER LIKE HER...
A FEW YEAR BACK SHE WAS MARRIED AND DID HAVE A AFFAIR AND HER FATHER TOOK IT REAL HARD THAT HE ALMOST GAVE UP BEING A PASTOR DUE TO HER AFFAIR AND THE SCANDAL AT THAT TIME...
IF HE HAD A LOT OF SKELETONS IN HIS CLOSET...
WHY WAS HE TAKING HIS OWN DAUGHTER AFFAIR SO HARD
I UNDERSTAND IS HIS DAUGHTER
BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY HE TOOK IT SO HARD THAT HE ALMOST STEP DOWN FOR BEING A PASTOR
WHY WAS HER TRIAL... MADE HER FATHERS TRAIL...
Well let me tell you. its like the mafia. The hit man likes to kill for the trill, but when someone close to him gets hit, he feels bad. then probably wnats to give up killing. Hey but the money is good and the hours too. so its back to business as always.
Hope that helped
Jaime is a good person I have met her on several occasions she is very sweet and kind.
The message is a double standard they are ready to kick out others that have failed GOD BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR REALTIVES THEY SHOW FAVORITISM.
They preach holiness but come on church who is honestly never going to fail GOD.
They are a prime example of how we all can fail God how many souls do you think they have killed in their pursuit of what a Position is it Christ like to devastate a church and try to suck out all the life from other souls because of a position.
That is how lame it is. So people treat Bro. Abel with disrespect because that is what he has shown them.
When people mean skeletons how many souls have these men destroyed.
They destroy Souls so that tells us one thing they cannot be lead by God because who destroys souls the devil he has come to steal, kill, and destroy.
God brings encouragement the devil brings disappointment. So who are these men being lead by certainly not by God.
God shows mercy. The GB has none.
God loves the truth. They are filled with lies.
Who is the father of lies you guessed the devil.
God says you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
So see all the double standards they have this is why people give them a hard time.
Quote:
"Jaime is a good person I have met her on several occasions she is very sweet and kind."
If she was that good,kind and sweet. Why after that she got a dose of jungle fever, and went Black, didn't defend her husband when he was kicked out and stripped of his Ministers License.
The only sin he commited was marring a hoochie! after all it was her that commited the crime, then she comes back all holy and stuff(which is good.god loves the sinner) But Daddy right away gives her the open door and cuts an CD.
while the poor guy she cheated on is still out in the COLD.
Jaime continued cutting CDs after her affair because CD's bring in the money. and if there's anything that the aguiliars love, and always had a problem with is $$$.
I know of other woman who had affairs, and they are humiliated, and kicked out of church. but if you're a walking dollar sign, you are shown grace.
If we believe in grace, then it should be shown to EVERYONE, not just jaime HAGuilar.
welcome to the mafia pple.
Just because she went black, she now thinks she has SOUL
To Let Me Tell You What’s Next / Thought For The Day
And it looks like now your also going by the name ‘Think and Think Again”
When you use to post under “Thought for the Day” you were trying to pass yourself off as an 80 something year old pastor for the LA area, and even though we have proven that you are not a pastor, I would like to ask you these questions
1. since you claim that the new rule for pastors is anybody from 70and over is out, or "lynched" as you used to put it, this means that you should be getting your pink-slip papers very soon.
What will you do? Will you go over to the AWA or maybe the UPC that you talk so much about.
I guess some young whipper snapper minister will be taking over your church, maybe it will be your son
2. since the mafia leaders (as you put it) from the AWA have lost, what will you do next?
Will you finally make a decision and leave the AA since you are not happy in the AA or is your pride to large and becuase of this you will stay?
Or is it because the leaders of the AWA know what kind of person you are and they wont accept you as a pastor in their new organization.
maybe their scared that you will start posting their dirt on this page.
3. since the AWA has lost (the men your called your heroes) when you posted as ‘Thought for the day” dose this mean they were wrong and by default you are also wrong?
I doubt you will answer me, because each time I have asked you to answer my questions and you will not.
Each time that I have proven you wrong, you still won’t answer my questions.
But as they say “your silence tells it all”
I guess we will see if you will answer, but as I’ve told you before, your own words betray you.
God Bless!
To "thought and should have pulled his toungue out of his rectum before he makes himslef look stupid."
you are truly the stupidest person to ever post anything on the net.
I'm glad you managed to turn on a computer without hurting yourself! Before you write crap like you did, you should have thought....hmmm...who would in their right mind quit their job during times like these? Do you work for a saint? Does your boss believe in the holy ghost, is he baptized in water? does your company treat everyone fairly? Do the right people always get all the raises and promotions? No!!! of course not! Life's not fair. but tough! Your family still has to eat, your mortgage has to be paid, and if you don't do the work someone else will. who has a boss or works for any company that is 100 percent honest or holy?
I think your just bitter, cause your boys got caught passing over info to the lawyers of the "lynched" party and they got canned. What idiot would pass over documents that only they had access to? If anything they deserved it on grounds of incompetence and just plain stupidity!
Sis Gonzalez' dad hasn't even been alive to hear all these events happen! What the heck are you talking about!? Get the fact straight before you open your trap!Either you are just a freakin imbecile or you just heard some gossip from your crying little homo friend that got the boot and now needs daddy Obama to bail him out.
You're sick if you think you can tell people that they are not going to make it to heaven. I couldn't tell you that, but I could you say that nothing good can come to anyone that thinks they can make a statement like that.
I would never wish that my enemies go to hell!
I don't care who you are it doesn't matter really to me, just.. "think" before you dig yourself a hole to deep to climb out of. and if you feel compelled to talk out of your dirty little sphincter, please spare us.
Okay none of you all actually read you all just see one part of the message and get all worked up with out reading the whole thing like little eddie and the next one underneath that I said
FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAN READ THE BOARD IS FILLED WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS READ ON AND NOT JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE AND THEN ASSUME.
HAVE YOU all by chance had any education.
All you people talking mess about the board are still in the AA so many of you all have no face to say anything.
At least I can say I am out.
So you if someone had access to the proof of the cause of all this mess that started with the FRAUD OF THE 2006 ELECTION APPOINTMENTS do you think that it was wrong of them to expose the truth. Have you ever heard of WATERGATE? Someone had to expose these crooks. They "lynched" these pastors for bringing up the cheating frauds at the elections! Now lots of us know what happened and the PROOF HAS COME OUT.
I hope you don't work at the AA offices with that language.
Can't they fight the firing, by saying they were whistle blowers?
Just exposing all the wrong doings and cover ups by the DGB.
Does anyone know anything about Floyd Duron?
Who is Floyd Duron?
He is the conference coordinator. He Victor Prado's Protege.
caminando said............
So you if someone had access to the proof of the cause of all this mess that started with the FRAUD OF 2006 ELECTION APPOINTMENTS do you think that it was wrong of them to expose the truth. Have you ever heard of WATERGATE? Someone had to expose these crooks. They "lynched" these pastors for bringing up the cheating frauds at the elections! Now lots of us know what happened and the PROOF HAS COME OUT
what a bout turn the other cheek?
this doesnt apply here?
what a bout wait in the Lord?
is He in control?
does he need Help?
want you to fallin transgression to expose the evil end wrongdoing
MAKE NO MISTAKE, GOD DOESNT EXPOSE,ACCUSE ORHUMILLIATE NO ONE,
some one does,
did he open His mouth against his transgressors
read pslam 73 many are there here in this blog
there s a line in between the so call, HONORABLES and you all(revolucionaries),
thats the line the real people of God walk ,the difference: they wait in the Lord, He 'll pay.
we wait in Him,
for all this mess, is God's will for sure,
but i wouldnt like to be in that position of exposer, or accuser
remember WHO DOES THE DiRTY JOB OF GOD
because at the end as in this case IS GODS WILL
elias, Thank you
You are so right SO THE GB CAUSED ALL THIS MESS WHEN THEY MESSED WITH 600+ PASTORS VOTES AND IGNORED THE FACT THAT THEY WERE IN PRAYER AND FASTING SO THAT GOD'S WILL (NOT THEIRS) be done at the elections. Instead they took it into their own hands! They took over God's job.
Thanks for clarifying. WATERGATE!
Elias you may be right. The Lord does not humiliate or expose that you are correct on. Man does that on his own because he does not follow the will of God so God begins to look at a person and says let’s see how far you get without my help. After all that is what happened to King Saul am I right or am I misunderstanding the word. God’s will was in motion and Saul mocked God and God let him fall into the hands of his enemies. The will of God was done there. Saul came fell into the hands of the people that he persecuted and was utterly humiliated. So please explain to me what is the difference between him and the current GB? God’s will is in motion here.
And if you tell me suing your brother is wrong. Then what about the GB they sue everyone all the time. Look at Bro. Willie they are suing him and then the votes come out to haunt them. So please tell me what is happening between all those God fearing people who the Board has come against.
Why do you think the AA cannot recover from this situation? The will of God was going they messed up and now they are falling into the hands of all those enemies they themselves have created.
The word of God also says that nothing happens without him allowing it.
So true people have taken it to an extreme but then again God has let it get this far for some reason.
Blogger AAnonsense said...
Does anyone know anything about Floyd Duron?
March 28, 2009 2:19 PM
Wasn't Floyd left in charge of the church in ABQ.. after VPrado left for calif..? at least that's the last I heard.. and he is still there..
Caminando voy: Good job!
Elias: if someone raped your wife, mother or worse a daughter of yours. Would you stand there and say "let's leave it to the Lord to take care of it." I really don't think anyone would say that.
It's not that he's not able to do it but this is why he has placed the law on this earth and that is to protect us.
This is why the plantiff's took it to the court because they were violated by the GB when they took away something that they and their congregations had worked so hard for but being that the AA constitution is so weak it favored them and they got away with it. Of course this shouldn't surprise any of us.
Lehan: you are right they have sued other pastors and are still suing some today!
John:
When the church building was being built, I heard he did some unethical things that cost the church money. After the financial mess He and Vprado left the church in, I am wondering why he was chosen to be the pastor?
Anyway, seems like AA politics all over again.
MUCHA PAZ DE CRISTO
did you feel that in the last 5 comments? or is that you lost any other way to process the word,
and there is noother way than yours
you are cheering up each other,
instead giving God the Glory
for things He make you go thru,
this is not about you and me, and who is rigth and wrong,
but to find God in Us to guide us to pass this valley
something went wrong,we were abuse
WHY GATHER TO DESTROZAR EL CUERPO DEL SENOR???
the bible states: mas los perros estaran fuera,
does anyone fear that anymore??
or its just crazy me anyway
if GOD is in our side quien contra nosotros
or may be we lost sigth oin Him
and we only trust in our streingth
and wisdom.
to whats going to happen next
you better review carefully your last comment
and go to pray to see how you feel
but if i go thru pain like that,
i migth do some crazy things
the last thing i would do:
make a comment like that
and gather with others for revenge.
a fin de cuentas seremos probados como el oro
does any one feel failed this test?
repent
amen
Floyd was left with the church because he was the assistance pastor and most qualified minister at the time VP left.
Elias: I am sorry if you were offended by my comment but I think I made my point pretty clear!
Quit trying to justify yourself as if you leave everything to the Lord. I think at one time in your life for a justified reason you have taken matters into your own hands if not then you are perfect!
Quote;
" He who says is perfect is a liar for there is no one perfect but God."
Seeker;
What made him most qualified? or even qualified?
Believe me he was the most qualified minister in that church.
Assistant pastor
Church administrator
Bilingual
Was very involved with the church members
Taught on Wednesday nights
Attends a credited bible college
What is wrong with floyd in your opinion? do you know him personally?
AAnonsense, What unethical things did they do that you heard, they did?
Seeker:
Church Administrator?
As church Administrator was he responsible for the church funds? building funds?
Seeker are you Pastor Floyd?
haha - No, i am not pastor Floyd. I left the Organization October of 2008.
And about the funds, he oversaw it but was not the treasurer himself. There was a committee that over saw the funds and reports were always posted. They also had an open book policy and anyone who wanted to view the books were able too, nothing was hidden.
Seeker:
Left the Organization in 2008?
Why?
Did you attend VPrado's church?
Yeah i attended the first church Abq.
I left with because i was tired of man made rules that were imposed on the people as salvation issues. i got sick of hearing the prosperity gospel that was preached in the AA, giving people false hope, real hope is Jesus, not wealth and health!
That Prosperity Doctrine has been adopted by mostly everyone, AA, AWA, UPC, UPCI.....
Its nice when you are at the top of the Pyramid.
Controlling Salvation for a few dollars more.....
Its like having a Coin Opperated Cross, with a Coin Opperated Jesus.
Insert Dollars here to get washed by the blood.
Insert $10.00 to retain Salvation...
My Lord have mercy on us...
To Let Me Tell You Whats Next/Thought for the Day and I guess now your going by "think and think again"
The post below was my post from Saturday its seems that you've gone into hidding since it seems you wont answer my questions.
If you were right ans so passionet about your arguments you would answer my questions. I guess all you try to do is blow smoke and cry wolf.
Please take some of the courage you want everybody to take and answer my questions.
Redeemedintheblood said...
To Let Me Tell You What’s Next / Thought For The Day
And it looks like now your also going by the name ‘Think and Think Again”
When you use to post under “Thought for the Day” you were trying to pass yourself off as an 80 something year old pastor for the LA area, and even though we have proven that you are not a pastor, I would like to ask you these questions
1. since you claim that the new rule for pastors is anybody from 70and over is out, or "lynched" as you used to put it, this means that you should be getting your pink-slip papers very soon.
What will you do? Will you go over to the AWA or maybe the UPC that you talk so much about.
I guess some young whipper snapper minister will be taking over your church, maybe it will be your son
2. since the mafia leaders (as you put it) from the AWA have lost, what will you do next?
Will you finally make a decision and leave the AA since you are not happy in the AA or is your pride to large and becuase of this you will stay?
Or is it because the leaders of the AWA know what kind of person you are and they wont accept you as a pastor in their new organization.
maybe their scared that you will start posting their dirt on this page.
3. since the AWA has lost (the men your called your heroes) when you posted as ‘Thought for the day” dose this mean they were wrong and by default you are also wrong?
I doubt you will answer me, because each time I have asked you to answer my questions and you will not.
Each time that I have proven you wrong, you still won’t answer my questions.
But as they say “your silence tells it all”
I guess we will see if you will answer, but as I’ve told you before, your own words betray you.
God Bless
To everybody else,
God Bless!
Seeker:
Is Pastor Floyd preaching prosperity doctrine?
Were you on the committee that would oversee the building funds?
Not sure, but I left the organization, b/c the organization embraces the prosperity gospel along with man made rules that are imposed as salvation issues.Not b/c of Floyd, i left prior to Floyd taking over.
AAnonsense, Pastor Floyd does not preach the Prosperity Gospel but rather preaches verse by verse and does not shy away from tough subjects.
The reason he qualified to become the Pastor of the church was because he meet the qualifications of an elder according to 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1.
Don't fall into the trap of the AA and become just as bad as to begin to gossip with false information. I am for this discourse and am not for the AA and it's Board of Directors.
CLARIFICATION: No I was not on the committee, and second not sure if he is preaching the prosperity gospel.
Seeker
Did you ever review the books?
Did the church ever pay out money to anyone they did business with?
Hey Seeker, what kind of Man Made rules can you say they applied?
John Knox:
What tough subjects are you talking about?
AAnonsense,
I want to make clear that I am in no way trying to come off on the "attack". I just dislike wrong information being passed around as true information. If there is truth, I will say so as well. I also dislike hypocrisy.
Since Prado took over in the early 90's there has never been a "large" number of people that attended that church to where there could be a large number of people to depart from the church. Granted there have been people that came and went, some for the better and some for the worse. To question Pastor Floyd's ability of administering would be a poor choice on anyone's part. This is because he is an extremely competent and able administrator. This is a strong area for him. Was there $$$ problems during the construction. Yeah. I would be lying to say there weren't any. But it wasn't because they managed it wrong or misspent it. How do I know this? Because they had an open book policy. Every cent was accounted for to the penny. It was posted on the hallway Bulletin board and updated frequently. Did they go over there head during this construction? Probably. I would definitely put some blame, not all, but some on the AA because they hold the owning of a building as the Grand Slam in Pastorship. This is most definitely wrong and most certainly poor stewardship
“Hey Seeker, what kind of Man Made rules can you say they applied?” – Shane Showtime
Well three of them regarding the women are skirts/pants and make up, hair styles.
there are others which i dont feel i will have time to explain my self well over this blog. but there are others regarding the work base salvation of the AA.
AAnonsense,
Yes, I have seen them! There has to be checks and balances and everyone was encourage to do so to stop spread of rumors and gossip that might arise, such as now.
And what kind of a question is
“Did the church ever pay out money to anyone they did business with?”
Anyone that is contracted to build would be expected to be paid. Would you not pay a contractor what he is due if he build your home? If I was the contractor I certainly would like to get paid for my work.
John knox
As administrator did Floyd Duron alter any Building plans, submit them to the city without informing the Engineers?
When the Engineers were informed of this, did the church have to settle with them for thousands of dollars? I believe the amount paid out was $40,000
If this is true then Floyd does not align with I Tim chapter 3. This would be fradulent.
AAnonsense,
Do you speak without knowing? Do you judge with out facts? Dude, where are you getting your sources from? Have you asked Floyd yourself to be spreading these accusations?
Seeker
Please forgive me for not being clear?
Did the church ever have to pay anyone money because Floyd Duron altered Engineering plans?
This is money that was paid out and no services were rendered. Please forgive me for not being clear!
Tough subjects such as, women wearing their velos and women refraining from wearing clothing of this world....JK...JK This is just a joke.
I won't go into detail here but he covers subjects that you would find in any systematic theology book but on a "as it arises" basis, through the teaching of the whole counsel of God's words. This way you cannot escape what is in scripture. Not just topical to get some good amen's out of it.
Like I said, and this is to close this conversation because it seems as if you just want some "juice" out of this conversation. I am not good buds with Pastor Floyd so I have no reason as to be defending him. I am just stating the facts as I know them to be. I was there during these years and can confirm whether there is truth to what is being said. No, he did not alter any plans to have the city approve them. Let me also add that there have been many bitter and lazy people at this church who have for some reason (position), have held grudges against Pastor Floyd, those of which whom I'm sure are spreading these things. The answer to your question is, no. He most certainly qualified(s) to the standards that scripture holds as qualifications for the office an elder. If he didn't, I would have been the first to have said something. Take a trip to Albuquerque, it's nice out there and go to his church and talk with the members there and see if you will find 1, just 1 person who will say something othere than what I am saying right here. You will not find that 1 person and not because they are afraid of him but because they love the work that they are participating in, along side of him.
Grace and Peace Brother
John Knox:
Good Joke about velos and women's clothing!!!! I know Floyd does not believe in AA dress standards. His wife wears pants everywhere. I commend Pastor Duron for his opposition against Dress Standards.
The stuff that is hard to handle has to do with integrity issues. Did he do stuff that was unethical and then the AA promotes him to pastor.
The only people that get away with stuff like that are the people that the GB likes especially Sanchez. Seems like Mr. Duron can do whatever he wants and have no accountability
AAnonsense,
Aren't we all doing the same on this blog, doing all we want with out accountability?
John Knox
No one is trying to pick up juice from you. As I recall you began conversation with me.
You are probably right that the congregation right now would not speak against him. However, what about all the ministers that use to attend there. I believe with their families the church probably lost about 30 to 50 people. If I am correct, most of the construction committee left the church.
Again these are probably the people that talk about some of the stuff that occurred with Pastor Floyd Duron. Most people in Albuquerque know about the money mess that Prado and Floyd Duron created.
Why are these people bitter against Pastor Duron?
Another thing, as you said, Prado never had a large congregation so how is the church paying the building? Is the AA paying part of the mortgage? Again another example of the AA taking care of their favorites?
AA members once again you tithes of tithes are bailing more GB members.
Seeker
In a sense we are unaccountable by blogging anonymously; however, the AA people have the right to know stuff that is happening with national leaders.
Every church in this organization pays tithes. These tithes come from the tithes of the membership.
It is unfair that the GB uses AA tithing to bail out Victor Prado and Floyd Duron (people who hold national positions).
If Floyd Duron was Victor Prados Church Administrator, assistant pastor and the church is in a financial mess then why does Pastor Duron get the Pastorship? At that why does Vprado and Fduron still hold national positions?
Again AA politics at its worse! The GB aking care of their made men.
AAnonsense,
Well, since I am not busy at the moment, I will address your concerns.
I did not mean that you were trying to pick up juice from me but rather by your questions and inability to believe what two different people are saying you are obviously not here to get clarification but what you are here for is to start some drama that has no grounds.
There have been many ministers that have left, that is true and 85% of them were not right for, nor, and here is the big word, qualified for the office of an elder (the AA uses the word minister for non "Pastors"). Many of them were unfit for this office/ministry so when they left they left bitter and angry because they didn't get their way. Ask anyone, not just from this church but from any of the other churches that knows these ministers. They will affirm what I am saying. These 85% of ministers didn't even know how to smile my dear brother. This is why I know that if you are hearing this information from these people or their families than it would be good for you to go outside of that scope of information to gather your facts.
It is most definitely a cowardly thing if these ministers are saying that this mess was created by Prado/Duron when they all unanimously voted to build this building. This decision wasn't made by just the two of them. That is absolutely absurd. This was the ministerial boards decision.
Why are these people bitter against Pastor Duron? Who knows. Why are they bitter with everyone. They live a sad life. I know this for a fact.
They are paying for their own building, please don't be quick to jump to conclusions because it only makes you sound irrational. Why? Because your quick to accuse.
Be careful and search deeply in your heart and look at the motives that are moving you to take this direction. When we are easy to listen to just anything and begin to accuse...there is something deeper. Idols in our hearts that are motivating us, such as pride, hate, jealousy. No longer is Jesus Lord but those sins are. Be careful with these things because they will ruin your life. At that point we are no longer after God's righteousness. I hope that I say this in grace and if not, please forgive me.
John Knox!!!
It is tough to believe seeker when he left Floyd Duron's at the begining of his Pastorship. His actions say that he does not respect Floyd Duron as a pastor. Disagreement with doctrinal issues is hogwash, the true answer is Pastoral issues.
Who are the people you claim are bitter?
Could they be the few ministers that have started non-denominational churches? or the ministers that are associate pastors of these non-denominational churches? Could they be the committee members that have gone to trinitarian churches? Could it be the committee members that have gone to other oneness organizations? Or could it be the members that have gone to other AA churches?
The majority of these people seem to have problems with how Floyd Duron as church administrator or Assistant pastor handled church finances. Most of these people claim Pastor Floyd altered Building plans. I stand corrected about the church paying the settlement. New rumors state that Prado and Duron paid out of their personal Credit Cards. Either way, the fact that Floyd Duron did something like this shows that he lacks integrity
According to my sources throughout the AA, the AA has been paying part of the Mortgage. From another source, the AA has paid down about $500,000 and has given some additional funding for FDuron's landscaping. They are doing all of this in order to obtain a certificate of Occupancy. My question is how long will the AA suck money out of the membership to fix their board members' mistakes? What I find sad is that Sanchez moves Prado to a more lucrative church after making a mess in Albuquerque.
I aprreciate your concern about me being bitter. Bitterness is a sin, but what I do is out of a Righteous Indignation. I am speaking out against what is wrong. Something Prado should have done for Bro. Solomon during the election fraud. Especially when Prado bourrowed approximately $180,000 from Solomons building fund.
As I go through introspection, my desire is for PFD to change his ways. Unfortunately, Pastor Floyd is lazy. You claim that the ministers that left were lazy; however, Pastor Floyd is the only minister that has had problems keeping secular jobs. In essence, Floyd has used his ministry and church duties as a reason to not be a productive citizen. Anyway the barr for Apostolic Pastors needs to be raised, unfortunately it has dropped with Pastor Floyd.
FEDUPWITH LOSERS:
WELL WE ARE FED UP WITH CHEATS, AND LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well looks like you really had "a NERVE" ELECTRIFING:
goot!!!!,goot!!!!, goot!!!!!!AND MORE GOOT!!!!
.......
You even showed the "demons" that possess you with your "innate"
"your inborned instinct!!!!!!'
OF YOUR FOUL UNREPENTED SEWER MOUTH....
Thank you very much, because in your defense to Sister Rena Gonzales, as you called her "Sister".
You proved me to be in the "right track" that you are all "perverts, and "vividores"....."living off the Brethren hard earned money.
It is easy to tell and read that with your "fowl" perverted mouth of yours, you proved, without a doubt., that there is most certainly "a smoking gun." in your domain......The Cucamonga GB offices.....
Do not try to make excuses about "putting food on your table" as a loser's job you have...That goes to show the "low I>Q> mentality you all have.
You are just worried about "putting food in your mouths., and how about the thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. Rene Gonzales, in her miserable job of "accounts receivables" receives
out of the hard earned money of the blue collar Brethren, and also of some of the professionals that have remained in the AA...
AND FOR THE "FOREVER NEVER ENDING BUILDING FUND, AND HOW YOU ALL CHEAT THE POOR DORCAS, through Georgia and Santeee...
Your kind......
You are absolutely clueless. If you dont' run for your life, and get a job "to bring to your family".,An employment that is decent. Then you might as well know...that IF YOU DO NOT REPENT... AND STOP EXPLOITING THE BRETHREN...ALLL TEN OF YOU...From Santo.s, Ochoa, Leal, Gonzales, Gudalupe, Rojas, Bernal, Reyes, Oros and Banuelos...And you do not repent, and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord., and that you are sinning every day you come to the GB offices., and "hide" under the skirts, of Sanchez, Pacheco, Valverde,Prado, Del Campo, Ma, and Aguilar, and Espinoza....then if you do not "repent" you are all going to go to the same place as the drunk, the prostitute, the pimp, the liar, the adulterer, the fornicator, the scammer, the cheat, the fradulaent, and the thief....
Don't try to weesle out of this.
Iam only the voice,, of sooooooooooooooo many voiceless Apostolic Assembly Brethren.
Gonzales, is collecting and Ma also through the channels of the
"Christian Brethren."
But if there ever is an IRS audit., and an audit in demand. Then you will find out "how pure, clean, just, and self righteousssssss is your "bring home bucks...job...are....
God knows Iam not in any way or form related to Brother Vincent Alvarez, and Germain....Iam not lying.
But I prayed for the Lord to "reveal Himself" in Spirit and in Truth" to these Brethren...
First of all we know the Alvarez family as one of fourth generation Apostolics. And no way was Bishop Vicente Alvarez, and Juanita Durann's Alvarez son going to "sell his soul" to Satan...against God's Church.....No wayyyyyyyy Pacheco, and Valverde., and you Sanchez, that 'BRAGS'''IN HIS BIOGRAPHY.....HAHA AHAHAHAHAH THAT HE IS THE "ONLY SON OF A PASTOR TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE AA...
What a joke........!!!!!!!
But like the "refrain goes" Consider the Source!!!!!!!
Iam not bitter....I'm disgusted....with the whole Fraud system.... of "covering themselves with the hard earned money of the saints.
If this does not bother you hoods., then you are doomed and hopeless....
Your head is like the "ostrich" stuck in the mud!!!!!!!
Repent, return to your "first love" for the church.
Soon these GB will be a "thing" of the Past....
And "no one"................................. will get "near you with a ten foot pole" .....!!!
Because you betrayed God, His Church and your Brethren.....
To put food on the "hole in your face"....You betrayed your God, your church and your Brethren....
But that's what you have no choice. Because truthfully speaking...you are "just" not qualifed to get any position in a secular job...with your "Junior High" mentality......
May the Lord have mercy on your souls.....Before its too late., and soon enough for the "lake of fire".....
May the Lord rebuke you...Stop being a flunky for the GB....
You know too much.....
AAnonsense,
I was never under Floyd pastorship, I left during Prado’s pastorship, I did not have any slight idea that Floyd was going to be the pastor of the 1st church.
Why don’t I go back to the AA? You might ask. Well, I am free from bondage of man made rules, I have found true Grace and real Hope, and it is not in some Organization in which many are still fighting for.
AAnonsnse, if you cannot move on from something that has happened 2.5 years ago, I feel sorry for you. It is time to grow up and move on instead of being stagnant waters for 2.5 years. God is beyond the AA.
It is funny you mentioned ministers who left to start a non-denominational church. One of them was actually in charged of the construction project. They left way before the building was ever finished.
Anyway, Good luck in digging for more dirt, I wish you the best and hope you get over it! PEACE!
Think and think again,
AAAAAAAA, Shut-up! Grow up and quit whinnying like a sore loser! Move on as I am about to now! PEACE-OUT!
What is going to happen next:
Reading your comments on your source from El Paso, Texas I want to give you some insight on why Sanches ignores ...Brother Lorenzo Ramirez..
The reason he was giving the "boot" by Sanchez., was because Brother Ramirez had some sort of degree in psychology., and was giving some sort of dianostic "evaulations" to the Clergy....of the AA.
But then Sanchez, decided Brother Ramirez was "taking too much thunder away" from his Brother Juan Sanchez, appointed Bishop of the San Diego area, here in California.
So "out"................................. Brother Ramirez.....
The last convention I was very dissapointed with Juan Sanchez, when he made a comment that to me was "off balance", as far as speaking to Christians. Juan, as he goes by Johnny.... Sanchez stated that "when his first born was born, he lost his "chichi"...
Wow!!!! Totally out of order....
But what did any one say...nooooooooooooooooothing... and no complaints....
But that's a Sanchez for you...Low class...
Brother Lorenzo Ramirez., should not bother. These people are totally hopeless...
That what we get for "trusting" a WANNA BE M.C., DAniel Sanchez., holding on to someone else's coat tails.!!!!!!...'QUEMAME....WAS HIS 'THEME SONG......!!!!
May the Lord protect us.
Seeker!!!!!
What are you seeking for????
Yourself???
To yourself be true.
You write you are sooooooooooooooooohappyyyyyyyyynow!!!
Well..... stay out of our blogs...if you have left. The blog master started this blogs., to have us Apostolics speak out once and for all. and if you do not like it you GET OUT....
You say you are out anyway...SO STAY OUT!!!!
1 2 3 4 5 6 generation's.history.......vent....but not to you...
What do you mean grow up?
Iam telling these poor innocents of the workers at the GB to get their heads out of the "mud" like the Ostrich....
Are you one of those cheaters and losers....?????
Why are you sooooooangry????
You tell AAAAnnonsense to keep diggging, and you tell me to shut up....Why?
Did I hit a "nerve" with you too?????
The truth hurts.......
GOD'S WRATH ON UNRIGHTEOUSNESS:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, WHO, "suppress" THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, "for God has shown it to them."
Because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were "thankful," but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. PROFESSING TO BE WISE, THEY BECAME FOOLS., AND CHANGED THE GLORY OF THE INCORRUPTIBLE GOD INTO AN IMAGE MADE LIKE CORRUPTIBLE MAN......
Romans 1:l8-23.
Be sure to go to a neurologist to "fix" the nerve that "electrified your leg"
soooooooooooooo sorrie........
The truth hurts.....But it shall set you free.....John 8:31
I would like to post in an UN-COWARDLY way for lack of a better word and post exactly who I am. I am Pastor Floyd Duron. I don’t frequent this blog for the simple fact that people choose to post anonymously and for fear do not disclose who they are. I cannot sit here and say that I know the full content of the information contained therein.
A very close friend informed me of the content in this blog regarding my character and the way it was being attacked, therefore, after consideration, I chose to read the inaccuracy of it today.
I am a man that does believe in confrontation as stated in the word of God and that is the reason that I am challenging AAnonsense to a full onset meeting over coffee with me in a neutral place.
I hope and pray that you will consider this request and confront the issues as a mature Christian. My email address is FloydDuron70@gmail.com, I urge you to consider getting in touch with me and lets settle this as mature Christian people and lets stop the rumors if in fact you are here for Righteous Indignation. Hold to your word!
I am not afraid nor do I fear man as others do. I will not hide the fact of who I am and what I represent. I have no regrets for what has been done because no wrong has occurred. The fact that there may have been some incorrect decisions made, YES, and if they are incorrect I will fess up to them. Bring on my accusers.
Galatians 6:1 Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5 for each one should carry his own load.
For the record, regarding my stance on the positions I hold, I DO NOT hold a National Position. I am a Pastor with the heart of one that is concerned for the lost souls of our city and abroad. I, in fact am the official meeting planner and in no way is a national position. I don’t want one nor would I accept one. I do not aspire for a position within the Apostolic Assembly National Level, I am a pastor and called to be one and do with complete dignity and fear of the Lord; I was called by God not Man!
THE CONSTRUCTION: Engineering plans were not altered, this would take the engineer himself to make changes, and if you know anything about building plans, as you speak that you do, you would know that the city requires original signatures and original stamps from the engineer as well as multiple copies. The process also requires the engineer to actually in person pull permits and submit changes to the City.
SETTLEMENT?: There was not a settlement! I am surprised how information gets around. Nevertheless, the $40k that was paid to the contractor, “Builders Unlimited” for services rendered as the ONLY GENERAL CONTRACTOR. You can call and request this information personally from them if you would like. There is nothing to hide.
CREDIT CARDS: There were a total of 7 committee members on the Construction of which one left to another church organization. There were in fact personal credit cards that were used; they were used with the approval of the cardholders Victor Prado and myself as well as a unanimous vote from the committee. The agreement was that these monies would be repaid upon completion of the building. Unfortunately, to this day, they have not been paid. I can also give you the names of the committee members as well as the notes from these meetings where all of these decisions were made, if you accept my invitation.
MY PASTOR-SHIP: Once again, things get so gossiped up on this blog from AA Sources????? (kind of like two old ladies chatting on their front porch about their neighbors) I have only pastored for a year and God has blessed. We have lost a few members (which is normal during a new transition); in fact we have gained, not through transfers but through new souls. This is what gives me satisfaction, not gossip.
LOANS: I cannot speak for anyone else, nor why they did not stand up for others. I can say however, that the landscaping is not mine; it is of the church that belongs to the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus. The building belongs to them and everything else. The Occupancy Permit is Temporary and those that left and chose to snare and gossip about the fact therein, need to consider that they were part of the “so called financial mess” because the helped CREATE it! The blame falls under all the Construction Committee not Victor Prado and myself alone.
FINANCIALS: Financial Reports were given with all supporting documentation. Victor Prado was a man of integrity and in no way can anyone say that there was a misappropriation of funds. Every cent was accounted for with its documentation. An audit was done and all financials were in order.
I am Lazy: I guess that would have to be proven by my accusers. How? I don’t consider myself rich or very well off. I live a comfortable life. I believe that I have done well for myself by busting my head to get things right for my family. I have never taken monies from the church that has not been approved by the Ministerial Board and or Construction Committee for services rendered. As a matter of fact, it was members of the Construction Committee that fired me from my paid job at the church, only to find that they wanted the position. Nevertheless, I continued working for the church unpaid as I am today!
MEMBERS: I sincerely believe that the members of The Vine Church are content. If not, they would have left but instead we continue to grow. I do not serve man, I serve God and will heed to the call. This call requires me to be vigilant for the members of The Vine Church and I will continue as long as I am called. I will defend my position as their pastor and care for them as sheep.
To many of the readers, this may sound as if I am defending the AA. I am defending myself. I have made an open invitation to those who would like to question and receive answers. I have nothing to hide. I am not justifying myself nor am I making myself to be a saint. What I am doing is protecting my integrity and doing it in a NON-COWARD way by openly letting everyone know who I am.
I am Pastor Floyd Duron and if you have questions, email me, lets meet and break bread. The worst that could happen is the truth be known and a burden of bitterness lifted of your shoulders.
The Truth Shall Set You Free!!
Redeemed....???
To answer your many questions???
Lady you are really concerned to who Iam or what is happening with me.?...
Well who cares who Iam or how I write. This is free country...And then why do you care about my identity?
Every one here has a I. D. name...
And so do you...So who cares????
I sure don't..
I write when I can and when Iam not teaching...So I may be out of the country teaching and cannot answer right away...IAM RETIRED FROM THE CLERGY..I ONLY TEACH...But then who cares?????
....
I only answered you because I want you to have a good night sleep...
We probably know each other very well......
To be honest with you I have been so dissappointed with Pacheco... I really thought he had repented from all the wrong doing., cars, houses etc., and also Valverde from all the coniving with his (may he rest in peace) father in law...Being in the General Board
in violation to the AA constitution...NEVER WAS AN ELECTED BISHOP.....
We all thought they had "matured" and changed...But it gets worse and worse, and now Sanchez building a huge house in the lots that he fraudalent "stole" from the heirs to Brother and Sister Narciso and Carmen Romero....
and the Romero's son Danny who is developmentally delayed...is on welfare and collects "tin cans" to supplement his income...
And what Prado did to take the car away from Sister Castorena when her husband died., may God rest his soul. Bishop Castorena had dedicated his entire life, as a Missionary, and Pastor and Bishop for God's Church...
And Martin Del Campo charged the Castorena family $1,800.00 for the programs of the funeral services for Bishop Castorena...
And the fraud at the elections, and they continued them in the Dorcas and Varones and Mop in the last convention....
Not until all the votes are all counted. Publically and that the candidates will actually see the votes cast for them...And the DISCLALIFICADORA...IS OUSTED...NOT UNTIL THEN WILL THE WRATH OF GOD...lift......from the Apostolic Assembly. That cost the Blood of Christ at Calvary.
And we must all "NEVER FORGET" the earlier Brethren that started this church with prayeers..., vigils, fasting, and so much suffering, discriminations and so much self denial. In poverty but with True faith in God and His mighty power..
For these hoods to come and destroy it allllllfor the loooooveeee of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!
May God forgive them...
Including all the ten workers,
THAT WERE LISTED;;;;;
THE "GO FORS AT THE GB."
That know so much of what is going on every single day at those "fortress...at the GB that you have to have a 'HONORARY PASS FROM THE MAFIA TO ENTER!!!!!
SOME ONE WROTE EARLIER IN THE BLOGS.. THAT "THE HONORABLES" NEVER SMILE.....
HOW CAN THEY SMILE..... WITH SO MUCH GUILT?
THEY NEVER KNOW WHO IS GOING TO "LYNCH AT THEM"...
THE "MAFIA NEVER SMILES EITHER...
God bless you and take care of yourself....
I will definately pray for you...
Don't worry so much about me...
Iam who Iam...
The truth....I speak....
I always remember truth...lies I can never recall...
Take care....GOD BLESS YOU...
Dear Pastor Floyd:
You should have never answered in this blogs..
You are now "out" by the "Honorables:...Pacheco and Valverde will be screaming at you now...Sanchez...will be 'fainting' and very weak....Prado will be in denial he ever knew you....
You must want out.....To have answered.....
DO NOT ANSWER ANYMORE......What so ever. The Lord will defend....you.
They most certainly have "blackballed you big time"
Why????Because they do not appreciate 'BOLD' men of God like you...
You must be "new" to the AA...
20 years or less????
You have no "idea' in your wildest dreams who "really' Victor Prado is!!!!!!
Victor Prado is very immatured., very jealous, and very "political"
his wife Ofelia is the very same...
"Politics"
You will be "ousted" in a few weeks...
Don't you know these Gallos????
They play "realllllly hard Ball.'
THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR GOD NOR FOR ANY BRETHREN....THEY ARE "JUST FOR THEMSELVES.""""""
You might as well start going to the other denominations...
You said tooooo much....Toooo much to defend yourself.....
You played right into the "claws" of the AAAAAnonence, what ever...
God bless you are my prayers...
Keep the faith..
Dear Mary:
In reply to your comment on the Aguilar's household. Very good.
Sure Abel was very griefed on his daughter's behavior.
Leaving the Aguirre Brother who was also "striving to be another Abel Aguilar"..
But Jamie left...
We are not saying that Jamie should not have been forgiven...God forgives. It was quoted today in the blogs.
Bear and Share the Burdens:
Galatians 6:l
Brethren if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit to of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempeted.
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. for if anyone thinks himself to be something when he is nothihg,
he deceives himself.
But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For each one shall bear his own load..
Good, but this is "NOT APPLICABLE" TO ALL IN THE AA....
ONLY TO SANCHEZ DAUGHTER SANDRA, WHO HAS HAD THREE DIVORCES...AND IS IN FULL PLEDGE COMMUNION IN HIS CHURCH HERE IN WHITTIER..
She sings with the Dorcas., and participates in activities prohibited by being a sinner to others...
The reason Abel Aguilar was so much in cries. Was because he had to "change" his thelogy....
NOW HE HAD TO "PREACH THE THEOLOGY OF RESTORATION"....
That is very difficult for a legalist to do. Plus Pastor Francisco Meza the father of Cedcia Abel's estranged wife would have never forgiven any divorced woman to have been married in the Aposotlic Church...
But thank goodness things change...
But do they change for all????
ARIEL Meza, one of the meaniest selfish persons that embellezed $5,000.00 from the L.a. District of the youth when he was in "control" and in Den of Thieves.,
One to have been known to have had quite adventures with his Brother Azael, who was also "forgiven"... had several adventures.and got away with it BIG TIME...
ARIEL IS assistant Pastor to Aguilar in Santa Ana...
THEY ALL "COVER THEMSELVES WITH THE SAME "COVER"..
OTHERS CAN'T BUT THEY CAN...
THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM.....
"SELF CENTERED"..
ABEL ALSO ENDURED THIS WITH NENA SHE WAS QUITE A FLIRT AND STILL IS?
HOW NENA????
SO IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY...ABEL.
BUT IT IS NOT FAIR YOU ALL GET AWAY WITH IT....
AND OTHERS "YOU SEND TO HELL' AND BLACK-BALL AND SHUN...LIKE YOUR BUDDY VALVERDE, WHO ALSO LOVES SISTER MARY THAT LIVES NEAR HERE IN ONTARIO.....
AND WHAT ABOUT PACHECO WITH DENISE?
IT "JUST NOT FITTING, JUST NOT FITTING"
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT'S NEXT:
Hey Whats wrong with everyone named Meza. I heard that a few years back that a Pastor by the name of Richard Meza took quite a bit of Money from a church somewhere in central California> I think it was Mendota. Not sure if thats his name but I know that his name was Meza for sure.what do you know of this Pastor?
AND WHAT ABOUT PACHECO WITH DENISE?
What now.. the miget is hitting on Denise?
Valerde is hitting on sister Mary?
Who is Nena?
Why don't they go after powerful women like Georgie and S?antee
I doubt AANonsence will accept the invitation...only excuse they could come up with is that they reside in a different state.
Let me tell you whats Next, I thought this was suppose to be a time for people to stand up and speak. Pastor Floyd is just defending his side of the story to get some facts straight about the gossip that a blogger and some are providing. His not informing us anything about the GB. But I catch your drift on why it was a bad idea for him to at least blog on here. But this Pastor is not afraid and has more faith that God will provide security. I think it would be safe for me not to add anything else.
Some say they never get on the blogs but someone said "they were just walking and all of sudden they found themselves on Mt. Everest." Yeah! Right!
C'mon, do you thing we're really going to buy that? Even "el presidente" reads these blogs.
I remember once Victor Prado saying to me "I don't worry the president takes care of me." Of course if I do everything el presidente orders he'll watch my back too! So you know the rest of the story.
Don't know:
To answer your question on ---
This Richard Meza is "NOT" related to the Fradulant Meza's from
Baja California, and Guamuchi Sinaloa, where their mother Alva is from.
Ariel got away, with very evil things.,, He is so ugly he had to be mean, and controlling and a Big Wanna Be"...But thanks to D. J. the Meza Ceciea got hooked with Aguilar. He was pres of the MOP then and D. J. wanted Ariel for his little "girl"...so the exchange was "done" for Aguilar, but the Meza Ariel did not want to comply.....so there is D. J. stuck with breaking up Aguilar and Rosalie, God rest her soul, and now Aguilar is stuck with this disfuntual Meza family.
Ariel took $5,000.00 from the L. A. district Youth. Did anyone do anything about it????No!!!!
And now he is "holding the "FORT" FOR AGUILAR WHILE "AGUILAR IS
SHOWING THE WAY TO SAN JOSE."
The other Azael, the flowerswera also got away with it with D. R.
Big Big mess....
Poor Aguilar..now he cries over Nena behavior and Jamie"s and Ceseas is still wondering?????
QUITE A BIG MESS....
BUT IT NOT WHAT YOU KNOW...BUT WHO YOU KNOW...THESE MEZAS DID NOT EVEN FINISH JUNIOR HIGH...NIEHTHER DID RAQUEL FROM T. J.
May God have mercy on us!
With people like this "running" evangelisium!!!!!
But those "grants" that come every month to Aguilar....are good for the "Honorables"..That's why two votes in fraud elections...assigned Aguilar to take care of Nena....
Daniel Salomon "KNOWS" who Nena is??? Ask him he will give you .."full details>........"
Elias:
Por favor vete a la Escuela de ninos y aprende a no usar..gramatica incorreta!!!
"Paz" es un verbo acelearado, que no necesita un ayuda como sostenido..
Quiere decir que no fuiste ni al segundo grado..
Porque? Por flojo, o por cabezon?
Muy a orar por ti que Dios te de animo de ir a la escuela.
Dios te ayude!!!
Pastor Floyd:
Thank you for your boldness of using your real name!
Instead of meeting physically on neutral ground, could you post all your documentation on AA.info.
This would give all AA members a chance to review your information and form opinions for themselves.
Good point about VPrado's integrity!!! I have no doubt that Vprado has integrity, but what I am questioning is his competency.
According to your post, the construction committee is responsible for the financial disaster.
Did the committee form itself or did Prado handpick them?
What qualifications was VPrado looking for?
What were your qualifications in constructing buildings? Prior to the church building, What was your background in construction Management?
Were any of the committee members Engineers or Building Contractors?
Since every cent is accounted for, could you explain
to us how much money the assembly has paid to
the construction of the Vine? At one time the
mortgage was approximately $8000. Did the
assembly ever pay down part of that mortgage? If yes
how much a month were they paying?
recently Did the AA pay money to reduce the principle of the Church?
Does the Vine owe the AA money aside from what they owe the bank?
Construction committee members fired you?
I have never known a church in AA, that a committee or construction committee had more authority or equal authority as the pastor. Was it the committee that hired you?
This sounds like Prado fired you with input from his committee. It seems like Prado had more confidence in those committee members than in you as his Church Administrator.
When you were fired, did you have any other sources of income to sustain yourself?
Pastor Floyd
One more thing, Did any of the committee members receive money from the church? or did they work for free?
AAnonsense,
What a coward, why not confront Floyd Face-to-Face?
He has the right to confront his accusers as well, why not reveal yourself to him. Why not mention the names of the people who are telling twisted lies which you so much believe. If they are true they should not be hiding or be afraid to reveal themselves as well.
¡Cobarde eres!
Seeker:
Why not reveal yourself?
Pastor Floyd can defend himself by answering questions on this blog. This gives him an opportunity to clear up any misconceptions.
The good thing about Pastor Floyd, since he is not a coward, he should have no problems answering questions.
Why do you jump to defend Pastor Floyd, when you could not stay and stand by him as a pastor?
So where do you go to church?
if i reveal my self will you do the same? I am not affraid.
AAnonsense,
lets get something straight, i was never under the pastorship of Floyd. I had left way before that.
I challenge you, that if i reveal my self you do the same.
what do you say!
AAnonsense, I am calling you out, lay it all on the table! Andale!
Seeker:
I already know who you are!!
Thank goodness! hahaha!
Go ahead man! lay it on the table.
I have nothing to lose, reveal yourself.
Will you accept the challenge? or be a coward keep on hiding.
Pastor Duron,
It would behoove you to not answer any more questions from this forum. You stated your points and that is good enough. You have a local church to answer to, not a blog. If you held a position like the GB and had no other form of accountability for your position then I would say sure, respond and make your story clear. Thanks for your boldness, it is appreciated.
AAnonsense,
"Why do you jump to defend Pastor Floyd, when you could not stay and stand by him as a pastor?"
I think you have a hard time reading or your stubborn, one or the other. Seeker, in his past posts mentioned that he left before Pastor Duron took the church. He also stated that he didn't know Pastor Duron would take the church when he departed. So why do you keep drilling him about that? Please pay more attention because a conversation with you feels like the one I have with my 3 year old son. I'm all for conversation and digging deeper but please make our time worth while and pay attention.
John Knox:
Seeker is lying, because Prado had announced he was leaving at since 03/08. People from the surrounding area knew as well as church members. Since Seeker has been going there since the 1990s, he would of known Prado was leaving. It is funny he bails right before Duron took over the church.
John Knox:
You claim you are for conversation, but I I was not talking to you. My questions were directed to pastor Duron. Now that I think about it, he has a 3 year old son. You all have alot in common. All I am asking is that Pastor Duron answer the questions. It is the right of the AA membership to know if their church tithes are bailing Prado and Duron's messes.
"Since Seeker has been going there since the 1990s"- AAnonsense,
WT? You definitely do no know me at all!
Seeker:
You said that in a previous post; however, I know you visited the church probably in the late 90s but you were not a member.
AAnonsense,
Never visited in the 90's; never had intentions too. You do not know me man.
Seeker:
Reveal yourself first!!
AAnonsense,
Under this condition and you must agree. That if I do reveal myself you will reveal who you are and your current city and state.
If you don’t then you will drop the twisted accusations and quiet drilling Floyd.
AANonsence, I don't think Mr. Floyd will answer any thing else on here after posting on this blog revealing himself and challenging a personal meeting with you.Seems as that was enough to avoid personal curiosity from your previous posts.
Answering back to your question and posting it on the AA.info will guarantee a downfall for Mr.Floyd's congregation. It seems as Mr.Floyd has things under control and would rather deal with it on his own then involving anything(hint, hint) else that will bring additional problems to him.
I don't want to flame you at all, but why don't you just take Mr.Floyd's challenge? What do you got to loose?
Seeker:
I accepted your challenge. The condition is that you reveal yourself first!
Shane Showtime
Thank you for your advice. If I go and meet with Pastor Floyd then anything that I say afterward is considered heresay. Pastor Floyd claims that the books are open for anyone to review. Why not post them on AA.info.
This is his challenge, reveal the financial transactions that have taken place. If the AA is paying money on Pastor Floyd's building but harrass pastors like Brother Zuniga for not paying their tithe of tithes in full, I think people in our Organization need to know this.
I surprise that you are not with me on this, especially after all the video footage you posted on the WEB. If I recall correctly, I believe you are Skotty will show you. If I am wrong please forgive me
AAnonsense,
Aqui te va mano!
My name is Carlos Hernandez from San Francisco, Ca; now residing in Albuquerque, NM.
I have kept my word, let see if you keep yours.
Seeker:
Carlos Hernandez left way before October 2008.
Nice try bud.
You are lying!!! Anyway tell Carlos I said what up!!! Do you two attend the same church.
Shane Showtime
How do you know so much about Floyd Duron? Is Floyd D. a double agent or something?
AAnonsense,
Dude, how are you going to tell me when I left or did not leave?
I guess just another excuse for you not to reveal yourself. ¡Cobarde!
Seeker:
Your right!! My name is Maria Hernandez! Originally from Albuquerque!!
AAnonsense,
sorry man you are correct, i did leave in 2007, got the years mixed up.
CLARIFICATION: I left October of "2007"
hahaha! what ever, dude, you can keep your word. What a Coward!
AAnonsense,
how can anyone trust anything you say, if you cannot even keep your word. A true coward!
Seeker
Seems to me that you are lying my brother!!!!
Anyway Pastor Floyd Duron you plan on answering my questions?
Seeker
I do not care if you believe me or not!!! What I want is for Pastor floyd to Answer my questions?
AAnonsense, it is posted that no one should believe you, you cannot even keep your word, and please call me Carlos
AAnonsense, Under this condition and you must agree. That if I do reveal myself you will reveal who you are and your current city and state.
If you don’t then you will drop the twisted accusations and quiet drilling Floyd. – Carlos H.
Seeker: I accepted your challenge. The condition is that you reveal yourself first! – AAnonsense
Coward! hahaha! cannot even keep your word! Que Cobarde eres!
AAnonsense,
Pastor Duron will probably not answer your questions and rightfully so. Seeker came out and said who he is and you are not keeping your end of the bargain, this says a lot about your character. I have a strange feeling that you don't even belong to a church inside of the AA. Now, it would be fine if you were once apart of this organization and cared about these issues to log on here and comment but to demand answers the way you are doing so would be out of your league. I hope I'm wrong and you are apart of our beloved organization. Please don't lie, this will only make others not want to have a conversation with you.
One more thing, please don't disrespect anyone's wife like you did to Seekers wife.
WOW
Just like the conversations I used to hear in grade school on the playground.
You hit me first.... No you hit me first....Your retarded.....No your retarded.
Amazing !
Seeker;
Please call me Maria
AAnonsense,
I thought you had to go to work? You better hurry because you live pretty far from work.
TALKING ABOUT SCARE TATICS, I KNOW OF A PASTOR IN "CHINA" THAT HELD A CHURCH MEETING AND WENT ON TO SAY THAT SOME MEMBERS WANTED TO LEAVE AND OPEN THEIR OWN CHURCH, AND HE KNEW A PERSON WHO HE COULD PAY $20.00 TO TAKE CARE OF THEM "DEATH TREAT" AND WENT ON TO SAY THAT THIER CHILDREN WILL END UP BEING GAYS AND THIER DAUGHTERS WOULD BECOME PREGNANT AND IT WAS ALL CAUGHT ON AUDIO RECORDING. HE PLOTED AND LIED, PLOTED AND LIED AND HE SAID HE WOULD PICK ON PEOPLE UNITL THEY LEFT!!!
THEY MUST OF TAKEN THE "SCARE TACTIC CLASS" AT BIBLE COLLAGE BACK IN THE DAY!!
AANonsence, I am not SkottyWillShowYou, I recently posted that I changed my name from ScottSHowtime to ShaneShowtime as Scott is my first name and Shane is my middle name. That was free cuz it was a given anyways. I also stated why I changed my name. Obviously it failed...
But, I don't know and cannot tell you if Mr.Floyd is a double agent. But come one, why would anyone want to double agent a blogger? Even if it was President Sanchez, do you really think he would waste time to fool a blogger on here and take them to an extreme? That's why I said that you have nothing to loose. I'm not doing it cuz the challenge was not specified to me and my curiosity. Take the challenge and share it with the rest of us. You might be a hero in this blog...anyways, I wish you luck.
Are you ladies still bickering lol. Over an issue that really is not that important.
Sources say that Bro Sanchez does waiste his time on these blogs looking at them.
So I would not be surprised if he or any of the other GB are writting in here also
AAnonsense, I have my suspicions that you are just out in some type of personal revenge. And if my suspicions are right, you too are not part of the Assembly you claim to be in.
Anyway you have not kept you’re your end of the bargain and as long as you have not I will stay on this blog antagonize you! WooHahahaha!
You are a sad coward! Grow up and reveal yourself! What a big COWARD! What a loser!
Bro. Carlos
I would be careful with those insults. Especially, after your little stunt in Bible College.
Seeker / Carlos
Did you ever graduate from CLC?
If you did not, then what happen?
What prevented you?
Seeker
You should not of revealed yourself?
hahaha! dude go ahead, that was what 7, 8 years ago.
i am happly married, not sure if you can say the same.
Andale! go ahead.
Seeker
What happen 7 or 8 years ago?
Were you in Bible College back then?
Dude, go ahead and tell the world. you think i care what happened 7,8 years ago. Dude, grow up, unlike you i learn to move on.
Seeker
Did you flunk out of Bible College?
Can anyone tell if they are hiring at verizon! hahaha!
I was there for a year. i dont regret leaving at all, not one bit.
So AAnonsense well you reveal yourself?
Seeker
Earlier you stated that you left the Assembly because of Salvation by works. What kind of work are you talking about? Did you leave because the church preached against the works of the flesh? Sounds like you are the spiritual coward.
Seeker
Verizon is always hiring!!! This would be an ideal job for you since you are a college flunkie. Did you leave Bible College or were expelled?
The only real Coward here is you, by not revealing who you are. Even though you stated you would:
"Seeker: I accepted your challenge. The condition is that you reveal yourself first!" – AAnonsense
I have a great Job for a non-credited bible flunkie! hahaha!
So are you close with the hiring manager at Verizon?
Seeker
Are you upset? Have you ever been placed on Prueba?
Seeker
That sad that you flunked out of a non-accredited Bible College? You probably would last one semester at a Credited college.
I am really good friends with the hiring manager. Are you looking a job?
What kind of work do you do now? Are you working in the restaurant business?
Yeah I have been on prueba, and Thank God for his Grace, Forgiveness is a wonderful thing when you experience it, and when you are restored. But I tell you one thing even though you don’t reveal yourself, leaving your first wife for younger wife is messed up man, and worse when living that life style is adultery. Te conosco mosco.
Seeker / CC
Maybe I can go to your church so I can continue my so called lifestyle and you can tell me that I am ok!!!!! Love you CC
Seeker
Andale Cochino!!!!
Let's Just leave at that. hahaha! te conosco mosco. hahaha. With the history that your family, i would not reveal myself either. But as for me i am Carlos.
Seeker
Correction, you are Cochino Carlos!!!!
Who is with the smoke screen now! hahahaha! Coward!
Seeker
I stoop to your level and call you a cochino? Good job for diverting me away from the questions I was drilling John Knox/ Pastor Floyd with.
still with the smoke screen. you cannot even finished the challenged which you have accepted. you are still a coward.
Anyway, I need to clock so I can go home for the evening.
sincerely, I am truly happy that you are restored.
FYI: Floyds kids are 2,6 and 8
Dear Pastor Duran;
Do not answer AAnonsense.......and Seeker....These two despise you, and are only "baiting you"..
You see they indentified themselves and so what and WHO CARES.....THEY ARE JUST 'WANNA BEESSS'
You do not owe anyone an explanation what so ever. Certainly not to them. Because Seeker said, he has left the AA and he still lingers....because obiously he is miserable where he was "forced to go", and therefore
he cannot leave our AA blogs.
Because truly that is what they are
Apostolic Assembly provided for blogs.
Victor Prado is the biggest "fake" that has ever been in the AA together with the "Honorables"...
The problem with Victor Prado is that he was also a MOP and these guys, Who were many never matured...
They kept the "Infantile mentality and never Matured Mentally nor Spiritually..
So get out of the blogs., and do not "be baited again by them..
Seeker is a Liar, he said, or she said "he was out but came back to "bait you"....
God bless you Pastor Duran....
Look toward changing organizations...you have had it with AAnonsence who is one of the GB underground.....
We have our own...join us.
To John Know, AAnonsense and The Gone Away from the AA SEEker:
Where have you all been?
Don't you all know that when a Pastor "ENSLAVES" a Congregation in high debt with thousand and thousands and thousands of dollars to pay a monthly mortage in the thousands...the Members will RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In Fontana, another MOP past President that never matured "HAS ENSLAVED.... his congregation in debt of $80,000.00 per MONTH MORTAGE FOR 20 YEARS.....!!!!!
WATCH THE EXODUS...
ALSO SANCHO "BAILED OUT PRADO" FROM THE $18,000.00 MORTAGE PER MONTH... CHURCH IN NEW MEXICO
AND BROUGHT HIM HERE TO CALIFORNIA TO SAN FERNANDO SO PRADO COULD BE NEAR THE GB RANCHO...
TO WORK ON THOSE GRANTS PRADO GETS FROM THAT "NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION" IN MONTEBELLO.....
ITS IS ALL ABOUT MONEY.
WATCH THE EXODUS FROM FONTANA, MO GREEN OUT IN THE DESERT WILL REALLY BE LEFT ALONEEEEEE WITH THE UNTHINKABLE MORTAGE...
BUT VALVERDE (MO GREEN) will solve it somehow...THAT IS WHY HE PLANS TO SELL THE GB OFFICES AT RANCHO....
ALLL FOR LITTLE SAMMY AND THE IMMATURE SPOUSE!!!!!
BUT KEEP GIVING. THEY HAVE TO PAY OFF THE BENZ.,!!!WHY?????????????
BECAUSE "THEY DESERVE IT, THEY SAY!!!!!!!!!!
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON THE AA AND GET THESE MONEY HUNGRY GALLOS OUT!!!!!
ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE...ONLY PRAY AND BELIEVE....
AAnonsense,
I am not Pastor Duron and that is a fact. As Seeker stated in prior posts. Pastor Duron has sons of a different age than mine is.
Just because I am on here trying to shed some light on the information that you have attained, you think I am he. That is further from the truth. I am John Knox. I am not here to bash you or single you out but this is what you are causing because you insist on believing what you have heard. Even after Pastor Duron shed light on these accusations.
You said that you have righteous indignation towards these things? If that was true, you would not be posting some of the things that you have been writing. Righteousness according to whom? Certainly not Jesus. Your Actions of Righteous indignation (see your comments towards Seeker and Pastor Duron) are not in accordance with the Righteous One. Ephesians 4:32
You refuse to meet Pastor Duron and discuss these things, since they bother you so much. Again, Righteous indignation, but I ask once more, as to who's Righteousness do you speak of? Because your actions are not in accordance to those of scripture. Matthew 18:15-17 Scripture IS the well of Righteousness. John 1:1-2
So brother(maybe), please stop your accusations if you are not willing to meet because you may fool yourself but you are in no way doing the work of the Father. John 5:19 If Pastor Duron was avoiding your questioning and disregarding your concerns like the GB has done to all of us here. Then I could see where your righteous indignation would be coming from but he is not. So please since Pastor Duron has reached out to you in love and grace, likewise you should reach out to him or stop. John 14:11-12
And please read the scriptures, as they bring much grace and peace. I did not post these passages of scripture as to create a "smoke" screen. I know them and hold scripture as the highest authority in ALL matters of Jesus' church.
Grace and Peace to you.
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"Let us briefly consider what sinners they are whose death God will(s) not, but rather that they convert and live." -John Knox
$80,000 A MONTH????????????
WOW what man won't do to build himself a shrine!
God Help us all.
$80,000 per month for 20 years
$19,200,000
Does that also include the statue in front or will Rachel have to go hustle flor azul money for that?
"If Pastor Duron has integrity why not answer questions." - AAnonsense
INTEGRITY?! Look who is talking.
Floyd does not have to answer anything you are asking you, if you are truly an AA member, to which i really doubt, then go ask him yourself, face-to-face.
unlike you i had nothing to lose in revealing my self and not ashame of who i am.
.......
Think and think again,
You got me all wrong. Floyd is a friend of mine.
Does anyone know how the "Strategy of Jesus" [chuckle] (yet another trend) week long meeting went? It was held at Fountain of Truth's church.
AAnonsense,
Don't be asking questions that are personal to Pastor Duron. The age of his wife and his children are non of your business. Nor anyone else on this forum. These questions make you sound like a pervert that is over the age of 30 still living at his parents house and plays World of Warcraft all day long. If this does not describe you, then please focus on your own family and their needs not anyone else's.
Alfred,(if that is your real name)
Please leave floyd's wife and kids out of this. If you do live in the albuquerque area, you should be able to ask him these questions yourself.
and E..I mean Alfred, if you like we can meet up since we live in the same city . . . Segun! or as they say it here in the NM "Es que!"
Seeker:
As I told you before, I live in the state of New Mexico. However, if you would like we can find a midpoint between Albuquerque and where I live. Would you like to meet at the Mcdonalds in T or C.
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