The subtitle might as well read "The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of the Apostolic Assembly"Who knew that a blog such as this would expose supposed wrong doing by so many men and women, young and old on both sides or on no side of the current AA situation.
In our age of instantaneous information available to all, accountability will be demanded. The old, smelly, stale carpet in our house has been removed and replaced with transparent glass thereby removing the opportunity for hidden agendas, intentions and actions to swept under the rug. On this new surface we will be able to see all the fingerprints, smears, smudges, mud and dirt. That is a good thing because they kinds of items can be easily cleaned, addressed as soon as they appear.
It almost hurts to read all the things hurled out about brothers I've held in high regard. It seems that as soon as a name comes it is like they are the object of a pie throwing contest in a county fair, including the dead including the recently deceased.
At the most very basic level the fault of the AA has that we have been taught not to question authority in any manner. The AA body has been taught to almost deify the man behind the pulpit or sitting in the big chair on the platform. We've been taught to roll out the red carpet, kiss their ring finger and believe that this person holds absolute authority. The ignorance of our forefathers treated leaders as though they where the high priests. As far as I know there is only one high priest.
As the newer generation moves into their own, we must realize they've been taught through higher learning institutions how to think critically: Question authority.
"Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action". http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/definingCT.shtml
Unfortunately, our under-educated pastors and ministers are still of the mentality that we must believe and act according to what the man behind the pulpits dictates. Why? Because if he is behind the pulpit it must be the truth. There really is no logic in this type of thinking, even though this is the mentality that rules the ignorant masses. Fortunately hermanos, we are no longer part of that ignorant mass.
And our leaders played us because of our ignorance, we've been lied to, cheated, talked about mis-treated (anyone recognize this song). We've had dogma shoved down our throats with no biblical validity but "if you don't do what the pastor says, you are disobedient and rebellious".
Pastors/ministers/bishops/leaders, do me favor and stop preaching about the way I look on the outside. You are filled with sin, filth and deceit on the inside. Don't worry about sisters wearing pants, they are not going to hell because of it. There is absolutely no biblical validity to this! God does not love a pant wearer any less then a non-pant wearer. Don't preach to me about wearing jewelry, there to is no biblical validity to this either. I can use the same argument about watches and broaches, it is just stupid! The veil...let's not even go there.
We are saved by God's Grace not by what you think I should look like. It's funny how you think you can make God love someone more because of the way YOU want them to look.
In reality what you are doing is exactly what you've been doing - living a double standard and causing those in your congregations to live with double standards.
I teach my children to behave the same way when they are with me and when they are not with me. I teach them not to hide from me, I teach them that, I, as there father am not perfect and will make mistakes. And when I do make mistakes I will need their help and support. I teach them that they will make mistakes and they do not need to hide those mistakes from me because I will be there for them and not for the purpose of knocking them down. I teach my children that you are going to make mistakes, be selfish in your decision making and guidance (I do this because of your past history of looking out for your best interest and not mine) and not accurately apply God's word. I teach them it is their responsibility to take what you spoken and verify its validity with God's word - ...study to show thyself approved.
When you get behind the pulpit this coming Sunday, please remember, I am probably more educated than you, I probably make more money than you. I've spent countless hours studying God's word, studying for my degrees and analyzing financial and legal documents for real world business decisions. In my career I am compensated by helping other individuals and corporations make short and long term business projections. The bottom line is, I can see a grift coming from a mile away. (If you notice sometimes I wear my boots on Sunday.)
Spare me the dogma, God saved us by his grace, fortunately not your ignorance. It is because of your past decisions we have come to an intellectual and moral bankruptcy in our beloved organization.
We must reorganize and refocus our efforts in teaching God's grace, not Apostolic Assembly dogma.
Dios les pague
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Classification Protestant
Orientation Apostolic*
Polity Episcopal
Founder Francisco F. Llorente
Origin California, 1925
Separated from Pentecostal Assemblies of the World
Geographical Area United States of America, Mexico, The Caribbean, Latin America, Italy and Spain
Statistics
Congregations est. 1,300
Members est. 120,000
* Apostolic is the more widely used term to refer to Oneness Pentecostalism
Ecclesiastical polity is the operational and governance structure of a church or Christian denomination. It also denotes the ministerial structure of the church and the authority relationships between churches. Polity is closely related to Ecclesiology, the study of doctrine and theology relating to church organization.
Episcopal polity is a form of church governance which is hierarchical in structure with the chief authority over a local Christian church resting in a bishop (Greek: episcopos). This episcopal structure is found most often in the various churches of either Orthodox or CATHOLIC lineage. Some churches founded independently of these lineages also employ this form of church governance.
Bishops in this system may be subject to higher ranking bishops (variously called archbishops, metropolitans, and/or patriarchs, depending upon the tradition; see also Bishop for further explanation of the varieties of bishops.) They also meet in councils or synods. These synods, subject to presidency by higher ranking bishops, may govern the dioceses which are represented in the council, though the synod may also be purely advisory.
The Catholic Church has an episcopate, with the Pope, who is the Bishop of Rome, at the top. The Catholic Church teaches that juridical oversight over the Church is not a power that derives from human ambition, but strictly from the authority of Christ which was given to his twelve apostles. The See of Rome, as the sole unbroken line of apostolic authority, descending from St. Peter (the "prince and head of the apostles"), is a visible sign and instrument of communion among the college of bishops and therefore also of the local churches around the world. In communion with the world-wide college of bishops the Pope has all legitimate juridical and teaching authority over the whole Church. This authority given by Christ to Peter and the apostles is transmitted from one generation to the next by the power of the Holy Spirit, through the laying on of hands, from the Apostles to the bishops, and from bishops to priests and deacons, in unbroken succession.
College Drop Out Pastors sons now Pastoring:
Richard Maffey
Jason Abel Aguilar
Frank Hermamdez
Abel Rodriguez
Daniel Hernandez
Jimmy Morales
David Jimenez
To name a few....
Es una lista de FLUNKIES!
Ya basta!
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Additions to the Pastors Son Flunkie List:
Bishop Sam Malverde
(No, La Puente Bible School does not count!)
Bishop 2-Vote Eddie Pachuco
(No, La Puente Bible School doesn't count!)
More to come...
Dont worry so much about how you spelled,
but how we 'expelled' this GB.
Archbishops
I think we have you of those in the Assembly, but its called.........ArchVillan
Did someone say Sammy Malverde
I've been cheated
Been mistreated
I've been pushed down
I've been pushed 'round
When will I be loved
I've been made blue
I've been lied to
When will I be loved
Jamie Cheater's EX
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TO ALL THE PASTORS OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY:
The purpose of the letter is in order to present and explain attentively the details of why a lawsuit is being pursued against the “Qualifying Committee. As you know, everyone deserves that we do so with all honor and respect.
Therefore we are outlining in this letter the reason why we, the consenters are making an official lawsuit against the “Qualifying committee that functioned in the elections in the this last General Convention that was celebrated in Long Beach, California Friday November 24th, 2006.
It is absolutely clear that several violations in said elections were committed. This lawsuit is being done only after several attempts by several honorable men and bishops to have an honest and open investigation into the inconsistencies in the electoral. A number of requests were made through several means and throughout these last eleven months with patience.
We suggest that no honest, honorable and neutral investigation as ever been done. It is for this reason we are in this serious dilemma that is affecting the Apostolic Assembly. Our brother and Bishop President Daniel Sánchez, the 2006 electoral “Qualifying Committee in question and the others member of the General Board have flatly rejected every plea that has been presented to attempt to correct the injustices and violations committed.
We are conscious that at present there exists a lot of anxiety among all the pastors of our beloved organization. Many pastors have pleaded with us that we give an informative and complete explanation of what has happened and the reasons that have obliged us to file this lawsuit. There is some information available of the inconsistencies in the election on the internet, but we understand that many pastors do not have access to that media. We beg your forgiveness for this extensive and the length of this letter, but we expect that it will be useful so that you can appreciate and to understand why is necessary to now proceed with this lawsuit.
Among some of the reasons we have delayed is that we have tried to resolve this very serious matter short of litigation and we do so with a lot of fear and trembling. Nothing we have done was with lightness.
In the course of all this process we have been asking to God that our brother bishop president Daniel Sánchez and the others member of the General Board reflect and they reconsider so that all can be resolved with minimum possible damage to our beloved organization. Sadly, the attitude that has been declared by our brother Bishop President and his collaborators in the honorable General Board and conveyed by their legal counsel the following statement: "We will defend ourselves vigorously".
The attitude of our General Board should be that they will exhaust all the resources to try to resolve this matter in a peaceful way. For such reason, we are giving to the task and the time to report some of the details that are permitted since we have currently started the legal process.
All the brothers that are taking part in the demand are men of God that have served in the organization for many years as members of the Honorable General Board, former Bishop presidents, former Bishop Vice-Presidents, former General Treasurers, former General Secretaries, former Foreign Mission Bishops, former and current District Bishops, current Pastors and others within administrative positions.
The careful steps in which these men of God have taken has only been done after a lot of agonizing pain, prayer, and with much fear of God.
Please be reminded that is not the first time that the actions of a leader of our organization have been questioned, our past history has shown that there was a previous Bishop President whose unjust actions were successfully challenged in court and was removed. So to reiterate, this is not without precedent.
We want to emphasize that is not anti-biblical nor is it anti-constitutional to pursue legal remedy after exhausting all other means. On the contrary, the lawsuit is being filed because of violations to the Constitution of the Apostolic Assembly, for this reason and with God’s help we shall prevail. The Apostolic Assembly constitution was written and rewritten so that those in authority would always operate in a spirit of humility and honesty and there would be checks and balances to precisely avoid circumstances we now face.
The lawsuit was our last resort and is only being done after almost a year of having exhausted all other resources. As you may be aware, there are certain Statutes of Limitations which require us to file within a certain period of time, after which time we would not be allowed by the courts to proceed legally after the violators of the Apostolic Assembly constitution. Therefore it is a last but necessary step to protect the constitution through this lawsuit.
Each and every attempt by the honorable men requesting an honest and open investigation to resolve this situation has been meet with a refusal on the part of the honorable General Board.
• Initially Bishop Daniel Jauhall wrote them and they rejected his letter as they said he was not present at the elections.
• Former Bishop President Baldemar Rodriguez wrote and pleaded on behalf of various brothers even though he did not desire to be involved in this matter. His plea to have the organization open an investigation and discuss this matter in an open and honest manner was also rejected.
• Bishop Arthur Tafoya also wrote to the board and the results were the same. Bishop Tafoya was summoned to a hastily called bishops meeting, but he was never allowed sufficient time to present the mounting evidence in the meeting of April 18th, 2007. He was very well prepared to present in writing the violations of the 2006 to the entire Bishops Episcopal body that day, but the General Board did not permit that he present the documents that specified the violations that were committed. Before the meeting he was initially told by the board to bring this information in writing and present his case in this meeting, but once he arrived the board did not permit him to present the documentation in this Joint Meeting. It was asked of all the bishops to vote a vote of confidence with regard to the elections without giving opportunity for Bishop Tafoya to present the violations in detail and in writing. Bishop Tafoya was only given five minutes to speak and it was impossible that he present the mounting evidence in said time.
• Bishop Abel Torres, a personal witness to the 2006 election inconsistencies, also wrote to our Bishop President entreating him not to permit this to arrive into litigation, as we know no one wins and but ultimately we all lose. To date no one has listened to him.
• Bishop Rodriguez and the Bishop Tafoya several times requested that a Commission of Honor and Justice be established so that an open investigation as to the results of the elections could be permitted. But they would not listen to their plea. They were told that this was not constitutional.
Therefore the process we are now following is clearly defined and established in the word of God in Matthew 18:15-17 that says: Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, TELL IT UNTO THE CHURCH: BUT IF HE NEGLECT TO HEAR THE CHURCH, LET HIM BE UNTO THEE AS A HEATHEN MAN AND A PUBLICAN.
It is clear that the “Qualifying Board” did not have respect for the vote of the pastors because they disqualified brothers that had a greater majority of votes for various positions. Two of the brothers that were disqualified were at the time, members of the General Board that finished its functions in the convention but they could be re-elected into those same positions or be eligible candidates for other positions. The “Qualifying Committee comprising our brothers: Bishop President Daniel Sánchez, Bishop vice President Samuel Valverde, Bishop Treasurer Aurelio Arturo Espinosa, Bishop Felipe Gaxiola and Bishop Celestino Guzmán, disqualified them without there to being a justified reason. Instead of them, they were approved as the candidates that had only one or two votes. Even out of a list of additional candidates with 10 or more votes were disqualified and in their place were placed candidates with the least amount of votes, as low as two votes. This signifies that each time candidates were disqualified as six to eight brothers were, the Qualifying Committee would continue to place their own candidates who had only two votes and whom they did not apply the CID document to.
Our Bishop President and other members of the Honorable General Board have explained that the reason by which they disqualified some brothers was because they applied in a strict form the document "Capacity, Suitability’s and Rights." It is extremely difficult to believe that they did such a thing because it has been verified that they qualified and approved as a candidate for various positions Bishop Joel Montes. Bishop Montes who did not and does not have the property of the church building he pastors in the name of the Apostolic Assembly organization. To our Bishop President was delivered copies of legal documents which indicate Bishop President Sanchez ignored this documentation and still permitted Bishop Montes as a qualified candidate. Even to this moment he is still he is violating the Constitutional agreements. Such actions are evidences of terrible weaknesses in the leadership of our organization.
After the elections the General Board has been explaining its actions to the members and saying that they have applied the "Capacity, Suitability and Rights” document in a different way, which has never been agreed upon by anyone, much less previously explained to the pastors. Such explanations never were done before the elections. The pastors never approved this manner of applying the document as they are now doing. They explain now that the vote counts as 25%, capacity another 25%, suitability 25% and right 25%. If this is so, then the document has more power than the constitution of the Apostolic Assembly. A great contradiction exists but the same document says in the Introduction: "A. The criteria 'capacity, suitability and right' are the guidelines that the Constitution gives to every Qualifying Committee to select and to approve candidates for the General Board and district boards." This document is an extra tool because the Apostolic Assembly constitution already provides for the qualifications.
Nowhere in the document or the constitution does it specify any mention of percentages as you now indicate it has. If the document has a value of 75% then the vote of the pastors was still weighed at 25% which would be in excess of the necessary amount to elect these brethren. This signifies to us that we as pastors have been wasting our time because even after praying and fasting our vote did not count. By assigning percentages in such form, the Qualifying Committee is taking powers that were never conferred them by the constitution. The pastor’s should be the balance of power which the constitution intended to check the authority of the General Board. In essence, five people were choosing the members of the Honorable General Board. It is a great risk when alone five unchecked people are determining the destiny of our organization. This was never intended by our forefathers.
Bishop Joel Montes who was approved by the Qualifying Committee as a candidate did not have the necessary votes nor Capacity, neither Suitability nor Right. The brother received only two votes and even thus the Qualifying Committee approved him as a candidate on five occasions for five different positions. All can see that the Qualifying Committee was obviously trying to accommodate and place people they wanted without real consideration to this CID document.
He did not have capacity because it says in the key point of D of the section of the CID document: "… (Every position of election, national, or local is in essence a position of responsibility)." Clearly the candidate, Bishop Montes was not a obeying this by not having the property of the church he pastors in the name of the Apostolic Assembly. The section of Suitability says in point one D and Clause 2: "… he will be able to obey and to work as a team in the highest body of authority?" The candidate did not obey the Constitution. How will he be able to be an example for others if he himself does not follow the constitution? Bishop candidate Montes cannot fulfill his duties as a general board member because the church property where he pastors is not in the name of the Apostolic Assembly. Our Bishop President was conscious of all this because proof exist that he received copies of the legal documents that clearly indicated that the property of the candidate was not and to this day is not in the name of the Apostolic Assembly. When the name of the candidate was announced by the president of the elections, a pastor tried to present his objection before the Qualifying Committee but Bishop Vice President Samuel Valverde not give permission for the pastor to speak as has been the previous practice. What is very difficult to understand is that when the above-mentioned candidate (Bishop Montes) who was approved illegally went to present his objection to the candidacy of another brother, he was permitted to speak to the Qualifying Committee and allowed to present his objections. There seems to be favoritism happening on the part of the Qualifying Committee or those who controlled this committee.
The Article 39 and Clause 1 says: "The Bishop President after being chosen and confirmed in his position, should publicly declare, to comply with all the codes established in the present Constitution, watching jealously that everyone comply and exercise all rights with justice, requiring of the others member of the General Board and of the bishops supervisors the compliance of all their prescribed obligations."
In this case the Bishop President lacked good judgment and justice. If he himself cannot work for justice and fairness, how can he possibly require the compliance by others? Such is the predicament our Bishop President now has us in.
Some brethren have sent correspondence to our Bishop President and many others have communicated personally with him entreating him that these errors which were committed be corrected. But this has all turned out fruitless. Those which have asked for a peaceful but just resolution are the following brothers:
• Bishop Baldemar Rodriguez,
• Bishop Daniel Solomon,
• Bishop Daniel Jauhall,
• Bishop Arthur Tafoya
• Bishop Abel V. Towers.
Every correspondence to the General Board has been directed with a lot of fear and respect. The brothers have done all with honor and respect keeping the highest level of ministerial ethics. Yet at every effort the General Board has rejected and denied an honest and open forum.
On several occasions we have pleaded with the honorable General Board to not allow us to come to this point.
We understand why the honorable General Board sent a letter to all the pastors to report to them of the lawsuit with regard to the elections of November of the 2006. It is interesting that the Honorable General Board has decided to inform all the pastors only in this case, when it has never informed pastors of past lawsuits. Are they trying to influence the pastors? Are they feeling guilty in this matter? In the past, the General Board has never informed pastors of the many lawsuits filed by it against others or cases against our organization. Some lawsuit cases have been lost by the Assembly and others have been negotiated. In the past the General Board has never reported this to us. It is also interesting to think that the same General Board who ignored the same voting pastors is now seeking their support. This is the same board that completely ignored the vote of the pastors.
Once again, we wish to reiterate that the purpose of this letter is in order to clarify extensively to all the pastors of everything that has happened at the 2006 elections. Nobody desired that we arrive at this juncture and crossroad, but the honorable General Board has resisted every attempt to resolve this crisis in a peaceful manner. The refusal of them to accept the good intentions and actions of the brothers have caused a very serious situation in our organization. Is lamentable that now we must ask the legal authorities to intervene in this internal matter. Our principle point has always been that we have many sufficient qualified wise men within our organization who will not have their own agenda to help resolve this matter, but the authorities of our organization do not share the same thought and for such reason it has carried us precipice in this which now we find ourselves. We are arriving at a very dark hour in the history of our organization. We need God’s intervention and direction. All that we are doing is for the love of the work of the Lord. It is our responsibility. We would do wrong if we were to remain silent and ignore the violations that have been committed. We continue praying so that God will help us all. The Church is Christ’s. We say close this letter with the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 6:18: "And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints." and also in 2nd Thessalonians 3:18: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
The following statement: "We will defend ourselves vigorously".
Or as the prez put it
"were kicking _ss"
How many of you have heard of "the apostolic assembly of the faith in Christ Jesus?" n what do u think of it?
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It is a Oneness Pentecostal organization that is primarily Hispanic in membership.
Its doctrinal position is similar to other Oneness organizations. However, there are a couple of issues which, on a general basis, distinguish it from other groups. First, most if not all of the women wear veils while praying and/or worshiping. Second, they do not believe a person leaving the church (sin unto death) can ever be restored to salvation. Although most if not all Pentecostal groups believe there is such a thing as a "sin unto death," they do not interpret that to mean a backslider cannot come back to God.
The UPC does not believe the AA members are saved, period!!!
I have heard this directly from their leaders and board.
Hey blogmaster with all your accolades, why don't you start your own church or oganization so you can teach the GB how it is done? I wonder how many people posting here have experience working in ministry? What I mean by ministry is establishing outreach ministries such as bus ministries, door knocking, mentoring new believers to the point that the new believers is involved in ministry. It seems that the gifts of the assembly are lobsided because the desire of most young people is to be good musicians and singer and who cares about ministries that bring no self glory. I know many of the bloggers are third and fourth generation Apostolics, but what I have seen with that is they are clueless about meeting the needs of a lost world.
The story about Aguilar is totally false.
One thing I know is that he did not have an affair with Sam Mascareno's older sister.
By the way she (Mascareno's sister) was not Aguilar's old girlfriend. Never was!
I saw Aguilar growing up from San Bernardino til he went up north to Washington and back to Southern California back to North Cali and back to So Cal.
When and what year did this happen?
You've have nothing on him about an affair with the Mascareno sister.
This blog loses credibility when people like start rumors with no facts.
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Her ex
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What is the husband's name?
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What is the Mascareno sister's name?
Give facts, otherwise you are blowing air!
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One thing I know is that he did not have an affair with Sam Mascareno's older sister.
How come you specifically mention the older sister and not the other one Ah. You know why because she is the...
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Everything will be exposed in court. Brother the ex will be ready.
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By the way, even if there was an affair it has nothing to do with the injustice of the elections. So no judge would allow an ex to come in and talk about an affair.
------------------------------------If you know so much about the Mascareno family give me her brother name, Dr in TJ?
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Gotcha!
Gotcha!
Sergio Pablo Mascareño Jimenez.
Do you see 12:17 AM I know a lot
If Aguilar had an affair with Macaroni do you believed this is going to turn into spaghetti?
Who is to say that I have not done so? And I agree with most of what you said.
As I said the fault of the organization is teaching that the only ministry that matters is the one behind the pulpit. This is taught at the upper levels of our organization and filters down.
Why is it that when you walk into Walmart there is a greeter there greeting you? Why is it when you go to Best Buy in the morning they applaud you as you walk in? They realize the customer is king. We have it backwards, we snub the person sitting pews by calling them benchwarmers. We create a false idol of the person on the platform.
By the way, the letter wasn't written to my current pastor but the many pastors/ministers and leaders I have sat under and had to listen to their rant and raves. Fortunately or unfortunately(depends on how you look at it), I and most 2nd,3rd,4th and 5th generation AA members have grown and matured through the years and most pastors have not done the same and are preaching the same old thing.
Remember we are saved by God's grace. That is what it comes down to. If are pastors/ministers/leaders are not teaching God's grace, maybe they shouldn't be teaching.
Even though some don't want to admit, God's calling to pastor is unique and not for everyone. Finding a supportive ministry in a church for a person with God's true calling is what most of us need to be doing. But everyone wants their name in lights. That is why most churches in our organization reach 100-150 members and stagnate. I'm not saying numbers are important but they are indicative of the persons leadership ability.
Most corporations have a board that consists of different people from different backgrounds, skills and have been productive in their respective field. They are not popularity contests. We may need to call on outside leaders in other organizations, believing educational leaders and/or successful business minded believers to help get us out of this mess and break the old way of doing business. With as much money that goes to the AA corporate office we can afford to bring someone in that has the experience to "shake up this place". Again unfortunately the AA is known for great musicians not teachers or leaders and really not looking outside of the proverbial box. Because outside of this box, people look different.
yours truly...
One of Pastor Valverde's most powerful series
"Sow the Wind... REAP the Whirlwind"
"Managing Me"
Have We Lost the Wonder of it All?
The Crisis of the Soul
What Shall we do?
"Forgive us, as we forgive..."
It's A Matter of the Soul
Horns on My Halo
The Wonder of a Thief
Giving Account of my Honor
Giving Account of my Finances
Benchwarmers huh?
you must have been in my church a few sundays ago.
Thats what the pastor called us
I have bad knees bad back and can't stand up to the whole servive/ but worship as I sit....and it feels good til he starts yelling that he wants everyone standing when he is preaching and jumping and running to. Other wise you just came to waste your time and should have stayed home..Can you believe this, just cause we don't worship the way he wants us too. I feel like posting his name, but I won't, but his last name starts with a R.
PLANT HIGH HEDGES
Hedge#1 KEEP HOME FIRES BURNING
A happy marriage is the pastor's best insurance for sexual purity.
Hedge #2 SABOTAGE THE SEX REVOLUTION WITH PURITY AND PREVENTION
A sex-saturated society like ours presents an incredible challenge to the Church and ministers.
Hedge #3 KEEP YPUR MALENESS UNDER THE LORDSHIP OF CHRIST
"Real men don't have affairs" this truth is as old as the Word of God.
Hedge #4 WAKE UP TO THE PORN TSUNAMI
This rising use of Internet pornography is causing marriages to fail, and ministries to be destroyed.
Hedge #5 WAGE WAR AGAINST PORNOGRAPHY
It assaults people in hotel rooms, in airports, in convenience stores, and in the homes.
Hedge #6 COMMIT TO THE SHEPHERD'S COVENANT.
Buy the book "The Shepherd's Covenant for Pastors"
Hedge #7 LIVE ABOVE REPROACH
Holy character is the bedrock foundation of ministry.
"My strength is as the strength of ten, because my heart is pure-Alfred Tennyson"
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I agree with your Bankrupt post. We as an organization have lost respect for our leadership. I don't mean just current ones, many generations of previous leaders at all levels.
To gain the respect back, we must get back biblical truths, not Catholic dogma.
Scandalous and toxic (to the community) sins like adultery or child molestation clearly disqualify one for ministry. If the one who sinned so dramatically and hurtfully repents, he should be restored to fellowship as a public testimony and "sermon" of the forgiveness and restoration of our God--and for the salvation of the soul of the one who has sinned, but in NO WAY should such a one EVER be in leadership ministry again. In Scripture, this is not even an option... unless we wish to please men more than God. For--again--this is a serious matter (1 Cor 6:9, Heb 10:26-31) and not one that is the least bit ambiguous.
Titus 1:6 (NIV) An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife... (1Co 6:16)
Titus 1:7 (NIV) Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless...
1Ti 3:5 (NIV) (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?)
1Ti 3:2 (NIV) Now the overseer must be above reproach...
1Ti 3:7-10 (NIV) He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap. Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect... They must first be tested; and then IF there is nothing against them, let them serve...
1 Tim 5:20-21 (NIV) Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning. I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favouritism.
To: 9:29pm
Last name of the Ex: Tapia
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Location of the alleged affair:
San Jose, California
When they both were living in Nor Cal, when he was pastoring San Jose.
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A bit of a contradiction when you state that you know there wasn't an affair but then change yourself 180 degrees by stating
"EVEN IF THERE WAS AN AFFAIR"
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What does it have to do with the election?
Nothing, if you think an Adulterer is qaulified to serve on the National Board.
That kind of mentality gave us Pachuco.
To 12:32
What is the name of Macoris (Mascareno)older sister
Dear Abbey,
I write for concern of our church regarding one of our young ministers, who has aspirations to pastor one day.
When this young minister was a local president, one of the first events he organized was a conference for the boys and girls, separately. The topic? Masterbation. He had the assistant pastor and a doctor speak.
At first we chuckled, laughed and made some humorous comments. But then some time later, a tape appeard. It was a audio tape with this same minister in the audio act of masterbating.
He taped himself getting off. Whats more ironic, the tape was dubbed over a Marcos Witt worship tape.
Then some time later, this young minister approached a young girl, age 16 at the time, to divulge his love for her. She shunned him off, thankfully. But he was never held accountable for his actions.
Approaching a MINOR.
Then, this same minister, found a cell phone of another minister, looked at his saved pictures, found some with nudity, women. This young minister turned this brother in and he was dealt with. The young minister thought it right to act. Fine. Was there a double standard?
Then not to long ago, this young minister was banned from a church in Nevada. Why? Because he got into a fight with a member of that church over a young lady who had been visiting but was not baptised. He even has preached there.
This young minister certainly has proved he has issues to deal with.
My question for you is, should the pastor and or bishop of SCD continue to allow this minister to Posses a Ministerial License?
Or should he put on some type of probabtion until his character shapes up?
Signed,
Concerned in National City
Thank you blogmaster for responding to my post. It seems that you and I see eye to eye on Apostolic issues and it seems that the purpose of this blog is to have dialogue and share ideas with our AA brothers. The only problem I am seeing with this blog is you have people airing dirty laundry about AA brothers. What does Sergio Villanuena's and Jamie Aguilar's sin has to do with anything. From what I understand, Sergio is not a minister, but still attends church and is trying to do the right thing. Instead of mocking him publicly, people posting should be praying for him because while he may not be able hold a formal ministry God can use him to help pull someone out of that same situation and believe me we live in a time and culture where everyone is faced with those kinds of temptations. To Sergio, if you read this blog I just want to encourage to keep serving God and do not allow the garbage on this blog bring you down. I am praying for you. As far as Jamie Aguilar, I would imagine her mistake was devastating to her and to the Aguilar family. For example, not only has his name been smeared on this blog but also people are accusing him of sin. Blogmaster If I can recommend that you filter out some of this stuff because people's name and reputations are being tarnished by people who appear to be spiritual babies or Carnal minded Christians. I heard Bro. Aguilar give a marriage seminar and talked about how the situation with Jamie impacted and how he blamed himself. What I liked about Bro. Aguilar is that he used this situation to evaluate himself as pastor and a Chrsitian. I know Bro. Aguilar is imperfect, but what I have seen of him is that he is a man of prayer. I am new to the blog and I agree with the issues of the Organization, but this blogsite loses credibility when people posts reflects the maturity of a middle school population. God bless you blogmaster and my prayer is the discussions maintain a certain level of spiritual maturity
To: 3:00 PM
We air these things out, dirty laundry as you put it, because these people have put themselves up on a soap box and preached their perfections.
By the fact they hold themselves up to the public, they are now open to public scrutiny as Hell Fire and Brimstone Minister, Over Rated Singer/Recording Artist.
We point them out because as public figuers in our church, they are living examples of the hypocracy the overwhelms our current day church.
From Pacheco, Aguilar, Villanueva, Valverde, to SSP, we have to point our the LIES that they spew.
People like these should live in TRUTH. Not a double life. If Sergio likes a little nookie on the side, fine. Just don't hold yourself up as a minister of the Gospel of the Apostolic Assembly. Oh, if Sergio is not still a minister, then why is he still getting behind the pulpit and preaching and collecting Offerings? Congratulations Fullerton Apostolic Church, you had an ADULTERER preach. Oh wait, I forgot, his brother Abel is Pastor. So he must be entitled to do so even though his own pastor Romo sat him down. That is nothing more than insubordination to his pastor and a disregard for the same Gospel he preaches. I refer to the standards set forth in Timothy, the books in the bible, not the Bishops son.
Jaime Aguilar scandal was a travesty. Not because she committed adultery. She was a wild youth with a bad reputation before she gotn married. the travesty was he minister husband being stripped of his ministerial license because she sinned.
Now she is "restored"? Give us a break. What about Aaron? This man did nothing wrong yet he is being held accountable for her INFIDELITY.
This is why...
Bro. October 28, 2007 3:00 PM,
When you get a chance, shoot me a message offline. You can create an anonymouse email account at gmail.com
apostolicvoice@gmail.com
FYI about this Tapia guy.
He was a real jerk!
I knew the guy. He actually never went to church. His wife did go to Central church in San Jose and was real faithful to prayer meetings, but was hardly involved in anything there.
She would take a plant and put it at the altar as a prayer for her jealous husband. I remember her telling me why she would do this. You could see the pain and living hell her husband was putting her through. The man was a big time jerk!
I am still attending church here at Central church, which is now pastor'd by brother Arellano.
Her husband was a jealous guy who would hardly let her out of her sight. She would have to leave before service would end because her husband was timing what time she should be home. God forbid that there was traffic and she arrived late. It would be world war III.
I was her good friend, but she told me that he would hardly let her leave the house. She was a very faithful lady and finally one day she called me to tell me she was moving back to San Diego because she thought this would help her marriage. She didn't want her husband to ever know that she talked to anyone including me and the rest of the sister's.
It could be that he is the one posting on this blog!
That's my guess.
As far as brother Aguilar? He is well liked and respected in northern california by 99.9% of the people who know him.
It would be hard to convince any of us that he had an affair with her, because we would have caught that right away.
My opinion is that her former husband accused her of having an affair with Aguilar, but I know he use to do this with any man that came within 10 feet of her. That is what she told me.
She never told me that he accused her with Aguilar.
It sounds like this ex is now blogging here and trying to smear her.
No wonder the blogger knows so much about the Mascareno family.
He is the one blogging here.
To 5:11pm
"As far as brother Aguilar? He is well liked and respected in northern california by 99.9% of the people who know him."
(I take it you also mean Aguilar is popular with 99.9% with the Ladies of the north)
Very interesting observation.
The why doesn't Aguilar allow himself to face his accuser? If he did no wrong, the truth will come out and Tapia will be shut up and made to look like a fool.
" Blogmaster If I can recommend that you filter out some of this stuff because people's name and reputations are being tarnished by people who appear to be spiritual babies or Carnal minded Christians."
That might have been true years ago, but the babies need to grow up fast now cause there are sure lots of wolves in sheep clothes. We got scam artist like Pacheco that have scam lots of money from poor hermanos, and now he is in a position to do better scamming. Just read some of the other comments about his real estate dealing with a guy that got his real estate license revoked. The spiritual babies as you call them are fresh meat for those wolves. They have to know the truth now that if you got connections you can pretty will sin as you please and get away with it. Parents have to know that the churches have allowed perverts to go teach and preach to their children. Known to the higher ups who rather sweep it under the rug,and run business as always. We might lose people because of this blog, but believe me we have lost more people to all the wolves like Pacheco, Malverde and all the perverts that hid behind the pulpit. Bad Pastors that get the green light to come and clean up and abuse a church because the Bishop disliked the people there because they questioned the situation. Accussing people with the truth of slander and defammation when we only asked for help.. Sending Silva with his blessing to clean up the the bad hermanos....Yes God cleaned upped the church but it wasn't the hermanos that had to leave..I just thank God that through it all his will prevailed, much to the dislike of the ex bishop from North Central.
To 3:57 from 3:00.
When did these people place themselves on soap boxes? Or is this your opinion?
The only thing I have ever heard brother Aguilar spew was awesome preaching that blessed my life and inspired me to share my faith with others. I agree that they should not sin, but the beauty of the Bible is that God has used imperfect men. Paul, Peter, David, Solomon and so forth. Remember David sinned and God forgave him and he still continued serve as king. He paid consequences for his sin; however, In the New Testament David is one of the greatest figures in the Bible and known as the greatest king Israel has ever had. This is a demonstration of God’s forgiveness. I am not advocating placing Preachers who have committed adultery back to a pulpit ministry, but when God forgives he no longer remembers their sin and who are you to pass judgment on Jamie or Sergio? If you are spiritual you should be rejoicing that Jamie is still serving God and not lost in the world on drugs or spiritually destroyed. As for her ex-husband, I do not know about him, but I am happy to hear that he is not destroyed over everything that has happened because God can heal him. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I assume you are bringing his name up (on the World Wide Web) because you are concerned about his spiritual well being. How are your blogs doing him any good? Aaron if you enjoy the bloggers posting about your situation with Jamie please let me know? As far as why his license was revoked, where do you get your information from? Have you ever considered that maybe Aaron does not want to bring this stuff up? As far as Bro. Aguilar sinning, please reveal your source of information, if I was Bro. Aguilar and if what you are saying is a lie I would be seeking litigation against you for defamation of character. What kind of ministry do you have? And are you living in truth? What skeletons do you have in your closet? Like you would admit that? How old are you? Have some class and address issues and do not attack individuals.
3:00 and 3:57 responding to 8:48
Sergio V, Pappi Aguilar and Jaime all have one thing in common, they use their positions to make a living off the church.
Sergio is licensed by our organization as a minister. He goes out and preaches and gets paid.
Pappi Aguilar is a licensed minister, pastor and now bishop of our organization and gets paid in several ways by our organization. He has his pastors salary, his bishops salary, plus all the honorariums he gets when he goes out preaching..all tax free. Not too mention all the perks.
Jaime gets paid by singing. Her market isnt the general public, its the Asasmblea that feeds her.
All these are public personas. If they don't like the heat, they can simply get out of the kitchen.
Who am I to judge? I'm a member of the organization. I have the right to criticize and state my opinion on this fleecing of our church.
I'll give Sergio credit, he's a good guy. He's a man. We all have needs. See, Sergio still has honor because he doens't pimp like the Aguilars do.
The Aguilars pimp preachings, CD's, Pastors Day Tickets, and now are scamming the church with junk like Tschumka Blast and Cyberwize Multilevel marketing.
Jesus is not salvation for these people. Jesus and the church are a meal ticket for these money changers.
Do I have skeletons? Heck yes I do. I have more than sinned. The difference is that I don't go hold myself up as holier than thou. The difference is I share my skeletons. The difference is I don't pimp the gospel like these people do to make a few dollars.
Also, I never said Aguilar cheated. I mentioned there were ALLEGATIONS.
ALLEGTIONS are not valid until proven. I always premiced my comments by stating they were ALLEGATIONS that her Ex wanted to confront him with, in front of WITNESSES, namely, the GB.
If the Ex is a Liar, then the truth will show itself and Aguilar will be vindicated.
But that would just address the ALLEGATION.
There's other junk like them using the church to promote that JUNK, using their titles as Bishop Aguilar to pimp Cyberwize.
"preaching..all tax free."
IRS are you reading?
I think it was in the late 70's, Abel Aguilar was in madly in love with Rosalie S. who congregated in the church in Lamonte, CA.
Abel was national youth president and while at a convention in Phoenix AZ, taking a stroll on the grounds with Rosalie, Daniel Jahall, then VP of the GB approached them and pointed at them and said to them, "I do not ever want to see the two of you together again." That was the end of that romance.
Abel Aguilar had to dance to the beat of DJ's drum or be politically eliminated as NYP.
Does anyone know what happened to Rosalie?
DJ had other plans for Aguilar as far as who he would marry and Abel did marry and DJ was left out without becoming in-law to his wife's family.
It sounds like something that would happen in India, but remember, Jahall's anscestors are from that region.
This kind of thing still goes on in the Assembly. Our leaders still control so many of the lives of those under them.
Note: Do you know that Valverde's wife and Aguilar's wife are best friends? Politics from the past continue into the present.
Opps!!!
Regards
Al Capone
TO 9:47 PM
I feel sorry for you because we can all sense your venom toward the Aguilar family.
It's not really the Aguilar family you are hurting, you are only hurting yourself before God.
You should let go of those terrible feelings you have toward them.
Did they do something to your ministry?
You totally sound like a minister that use to attend his church. Either up north or down here in Santa Ana.
Ask the Lord to give you a special love for the Aguilars and he will give you peace to continue your ministry.
You need God's peace!
Three issues in the S. Texas election cover up.
Which of these is true?
1. Did Caranco promise his lover that if he was not elected or named bishop he would divorce his wife and marry her? He WAS elected and the lover turned him in.
2. Did the husband of the lover call the GB and threatened to sue if Caranco was not removed?
3. They were found together and he was removed.
Who out there knows the facts for sure? Who is this lover?
Wow!!!!!!!!!
AS THE ASSEMBLY TURNS
what a story line for a soap
Ok who will play Malverde?
Pacheco?
Sanchez?
Aguilar?
Prado?
Del Campo?
Sam already explain our present situation with the title of his sermonetes.
GB :"Sow the Wind... REAP the Whirlwind"
AA: Have We Lost the Wonder of it All?
Pacheco: The Wonder of a Thief
Aguilar: Horns on My Halo
Himself: Giving Account of my Finances
Sanchez: What Shall we do?
Baldemar: Giving Account of my Honor
Bloggers: The Crisis of the Soul
Cesia Aguilar :"Managing Me"
Who is Cesia Aguilar?
10:26 PM
Abel's poor wife, they left San Jose in a hurry, she almost divorced him. Ask her.
what a story line for a soap
OK who will play:
They doing very well playing their own characters
ok Cesia Aguilar we're asking
The whole truth and nothing but the truth, but only for truthful purposes not for chisme
Hello out there....
All this talk about the sin of death...
Have you heard the latest? The Apostolic Church is changing. Reconciliation is at work NOW...
They are listening to what Paul wrote to the Galatians...'if your brother falls in a grave sin, restore him because you being spiritual may also fall...'
Of course that means only those who have been found out. There are many who continue to live adulterous life styles, or lives unbecoming a Man of God..
Please note that I am not including child molestors or predators and those who are part of this life-style, or blasphemers against the H.S.
You can take the restored person out to lunch and even sit with them in the church, fellowship with them at conventions where people see you with the fallen bro/sis, now restored by you (the Honorable General Board).
BUT...These are the other guidelines, the person that is restored because he has repented before God and pleaded for forgivness from the church may never, never be a pastor again, in the ministry again, conduct a service, sing in the praise team, preach, teach in ANY category, they may never give a conference, because the other holy, self-righteous saints will not allow this, especially teach at CBAN.
So Bro. Caranco, don't believe these hypocritical restoration lies from your so called friends. Remember, the Apostolic Assembly is known to shoot their wounded. Any you, my dear brother and sister, are going to be yet another casualty of this deplorable system.
Hopefully, we can reverse all the damage that has be wrought on this Assembly for generations.
We must find a way to restore, heal and protect those who have been hurt by Satan and who have repented and are pleading for forgiveness.
For those of you who want us to believe that you are in the Christ-like business of restoration of those who have asked for forgiveness from God...do not be hypocritial and lie to your brother that you are restoring him...when in reality you are only placating him and fooling him.
That is a self-righteous attitude, you will be accountable to God, if that even matters to you. HGB.
Bishop Abel Aguilar
the Advisor of the MOP
He is our advisor our role model.
Here is something interesting for all of you investigators. Prior to Pastor Miguel Hernandez becoming a pastor, he was Tafoya's Assistant pastor, and Sergio Villanueva's District president, when Sergio was Vice-president. The interesting thing is, that Tafoya and Sergio remained in the AA while pastor Hernandez was kicked out of the AA and is now pastoring and independent Apostolic church! Hmmmm, very interesting!
Art T. and Sam V. were friends for many years. I dont know what happen, (i guess Art was another step) for Sam.
I think that is where Art became all about $$$$$$$.
Art knows ALOT of junk on Sam V.
Sam's M.O. is, once someone doesn't agree and they know alot, he pushes them to the side.
To 10:39 PM:
I am the sister from Central Church in San Jose I am still here and was here the Aguilar's were here.
You are incorrect that they left because sister Aguilar was threating to divorce him.
They left to Southern California because sis. Cesia's father was real sick and couldn't pastor anymore.
I also knew sis. Cesia real well and there was never any accusations of that sort of thing.
Who are you that is accusing the Aguilar's? You have bad information.
To 9:57 PM:
I don't see your point.
We all know that the AA is a dictorial style of organization, as a matter it has been labeled a cult by the Christian world.
So you and I are just a part of the same.
What DJ did is probably true, but I know your husband as a pastor has done this to many of his members where you pastor.
To 8:44 AM
They left to Southern California because sis. Cesia's father was real sick and couldn't pastor anymore. ?????
Pastor Lozano was taking care of brother Meza and Santa Ana Church.
Are you a family member?
Ok, lets leave Abel alone for a minute.
Let’s get back to the real deal, what happen to the papales that the GB is supposed to get this week.
Its Monday Morning and I am all hyped and wired!!
I just had some Tschunka Blast!!
I feeln like a crack head! Who needs prayer? I got Tskunka Blast to heal me!
Anyone want to sign up with me for Cyberwize? I can hook you up. Just sign up under me and you'll make millions, no, BILLIONS. I promise.
If not, you can at least let me hook you up with some phone service with ACN.
No? How about some life insurance with Primerica. You just never know when the Lord will call you up. And who will take care of your family? The Antonio C. Nava Foundation? HAAA!! Yeah, that $50.00 per month payment, after you have filled out all the paperwork, waited 20 months, and a vote from the GB will go far..lol
National Youth Convention
Gaylord Resort
Saturday Morning
Holy Tunguska Rally
Speaker Abel Aguilar
Its a fact
TO: 10:05 PM
You need to get a life and a clue. You are all the same. You think Aguilar walks on water. Jason even tried to. You think you are all above reproach. Aguilar is a hack. Oh, excuse me, Bishop Hack. Brother Meza, RIP, was a good man. Then Aguilar thought he was God's appointed and moved in. Totally disregarding the pastor that was set to replace Bro. Meza. Santa Ana isn't a church anymore, its a STAGE SHOW. Its only fitting that the church is now located in a Theatre.
I'll tell you what, to shut you up, I'll buy 10 Pastors Day Tickets, a CT CD, a Jaime CD, and 10 Tsgkunka Blast 6 Packs.
Get back to me with the price.
the "Cyberwize" money pyramid scam.
Last night I went to Church to what I thought was going to be a financial seminar from 7:00pm to 9:00pm. As the Christian male kept speaking he started showing us products, and a pyramid on a white screen with the title "Cyberwize" above it. He continued talking about how we would get paid through members in our groups, and then we would get paid form:
YOE- Your own efforts
OPE-Other People's efforts
OPM-Other People's money
OPI-Other People's Ideas
The pastor of the church had bought into this scam as well. He sat there listening and looking "proud" at all of the "fools" whom he assumed would follow behind him. I Listended glancing back and forth at the speaker and the pastor of that church in disgust. I'm always trying to teach Christians about these scams, and for those people's shepard to bring those foxes into the sacntuary to devour his flock was something to see.
The speaker got to the the part about purchasing the plans-the star-up costs were as follows:
Independent Business Plan $99.95
Travel Wize Plan $458.95
Executive Plan $1,058.85
He let them know that it was no sense in them saying, "I need to go home and pray about it" He said, "You already prayed about it, that's why you're here." My friend and I said, "Wow" A scam built by Christians just for Christians, where even prayer has been removed from the equation.
stop posting quotes from the AA Letters website and the Cyberwize website- we've all seen them both- seen 'em and read 'em- your duplicate copy & pastes just clog up the blog
Anybody know who pastor Miguel Hernandez is?
Yes. Bro Miguel Hernandez a good pastor from AZ. 'been there.good church.good people. no chisme.
Where in Arizona?
What's the name of his church?
To the sis. from San Jose.
You know some, but not all about mr aguilar. I also was there when he was pastor. Some things are best not said. Most of the AA GB is currupt anyway. and to those that think that 99% of the northern population is an aguilar follower..well, you've got to be kidding yourself. NOT TRUE.
and just leave sis cesia to shop, shop, shop...
Edward Pacheco is a FRAUD.
Ministries based on FRAUD are FRAUD. Edward Pacheco is a FRAUD.
Associates with known CRIMINALS.
EDWARD PACHECO IS A FRAUD! HOW IS THIS MAN ON THE GENERAL BOARD?
Cesia A is a civilian. Leave her out of it.
To 9:26 AM
Which CD did you want? The regular version with where she's wrapped around the pole? Or the autographed with a lipstick kiss version of the Jaime CD?
As for the Tsgkunka Blast 6 packs, the FDA will only allow us to distribute 2 cases at a time. Something about overdoses. We can get around that if you give us a fake name to send the rest to. ;)
Your total will be:
$100 each - 10 Pastors Day Tickets (You get to meet privately with the pastor for ten minutes before the dinner)
$15.00 - A CT CD,
$20.00/$66.60 Jaime CD (depending on which you want)
$50 - 10 Tsgkunka Blast 6 Packs.
$100.00 Shipping & Handling
But shutting me up is extra
To 8:44 AM
You are totally INCORRECT!
I don't know where you got your info from. Wrong again!
Miguel and his wife where good friends of the Tafoya family. I think his wife was a room mate of Bishop Tafoya's sister, Rose, back in the day.
They, the Hernandez always seem sincere pleasant and honest. I can't remembery why they left as soon as Bro. Tafoya took over the Glendale church from Bro. Marrufo.
Below is Bro. Hernandez's church website. They are not part of AA.
http://www.lighthouseapostolicaz.org/
To: 11:31
It sure ain't cheap being a member at CT.
I'll take your deal but I also want a personal visit with Jaime. Say for some Deitrics Coffee.
Cuanto?
Pastor Miguel Hernandez from Peoria, AZ.
OK. enough about jamie! (we all know she's awesome!)
What's the update on the lawsuit??
I used to attend Glendale church when bishop Tafoya took over. If I remember correctly, brother Miguel Hernandez had a fallout with Tafoya because he didn't agree with the bishops politics!
http://www.lighthouseapostolicaz.org/
I've seen better studios in Tijuana! Thats just a little bit better than a Mr. Microphone.
Lawsuit Update:
None. Why? Cause there will be no lawsuit. Why? No money. No money, no attorney. No attorney, no lawsuit.
Its called a bluff.
What a MORON, the law suit has already been filed!. Public records won't show it for a while. However, we'll see how long before the qualifying board divulges they have been served. According to my sources that should happen this week! BELIEVE IT OR NOT - WHO CARES!!! IT HAS BEEN FILED!!!!!
By the way, the account that was set up for help in the law suit, HAS already reached, and exceeded, the $25,000.00 they needed for a retainer! How is that for a bluff!!
I just herd pastor Hernandez preach a couple of weeks ago in Mesa. Man, he tore it up! The man is solid when it comes to the Word!
Its been Filed? LIARS! If it was filed, we would know. It dont take no 10 weeks to be public.
To 11:46 AM
Do you want her to bring her own pole?
You will need to take a number.
And bring your penicillin!
Any discussion of money would be inappropriate. You can work out the details at your meeting. (Just bring LOTS of it. She does accept American Express or you can use your Discover Card/Visa/M/C).
You will also get frequent flyer miles
FOOL! It was filed last week! Read the blogs!
If it was Filed, then what Court?
Check a blog to verify? Are you that ignorant! There are blogs that say there is life on Mars. There is another blog that say that Big Foot is real. There's another blog that says that Edward Pacheco is a hard working honest man dedicated to the ministry.
LIARS!
The Big foot story is factual - Sanchez said "We're gonna kick some @$$" - gotta have a big foot for that.
Mars is also true - but there was a typo. Supposed to say 'Lies' on Mars. Two-Vote Eddie has been there.
As for Two-Vote Eddie being honest, He wrote that one. Need I say more?
ApostolicAssembly.info is a court of public opinion filled with letters. Its not a Court of Law.
Your people have no case, no money, no hope.
I feel sorry for all you young foolish people who fell for this devils work so easy.
So what you're saying is that everything that happened at the elections,is false?
I'm just saying there is no lawsuit. I'm saying they are just bluffing. Did the elections happen? Yes. But nothing, and I mean NOTHING will not change. You might as well start going to another church because NOTHING is going to happen.
Listen brother. I spoke to someone, cannot mention their name, but I was told the law suit WAS filed friday 10/26. So don't dispair, the qualifying board members ARE going to get served, provably this week. So just wait and don't say anything foolish OK. Just Wait!
I noticed a trend, why is it that the people from AZ say names and the people from CA always say they cannot mention their names. And the people from CA throw mud like its going out of style?
Go back reread, you will see what I am saying.
You lawsuit people are like the little boy that cried wolf. Keep on crying cause there aint no lawsuit or big bad wolf.
wETHER THERE IS A LAWSUIT OR NOT IT DOESNT MATTER.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IN PUBLIC WHAT FOR YEARS WE KNOW WE DISCUSSED AMONGST OUR CLOSEST FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN PRIVATE.
NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO FIX I IF POSSIBLE AND IF NOT WHAT THEN ?
CAN YOU ALL CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THIS CORRUPT MACHINE ?
IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF US TO FOCUS ON THE WORK OF THE LORD AND OUR OWN WALK WITH GOD AND WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR THE LORD.
ITS ABOUT TIME THAT THIS SIN AND CORRUPTION IS BROUGHT TO LIGHT AND THOSE WHO HAVE WREAKED SO MUCH HAVOC AND HURT SO MANY PEOPLE SHOULD PAY.
HOWEVER THAT IS NOT THE MOST PRESSING ISSUE RATHER WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ADVANCE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Amen !!!!!
It is about time that someone spoke up.
The ones who try and dismiss us as rebels and bitter are those who are related to these fat cats and who see their dynasty falling apart.
Control freaks start to panic when they feel the grip of legalism they had around peoples necks starts to get lifted.
They freak out and are intimidated when people attain knowledge wisdom and are informed.
No more ignorant little sheep that follow the authoritarian legalistic,power tripping, egotistical, machista type pastors.
Thats all they have is their intimidating ways because they sure dont have anointing, or education, or talent or gifts.
RIGHT ON!
your education isn't going to do you any good in the lake of fire.
to 3:16- neither will your ignorance-
God called- wants his position as Judge back.
3:41
The devil called, he said you are doing a good job destroying the church. He's going to stay on vacation and is giving you a raise.
We see the need for change in our AA, we all WANT a change, but how are WE going to achieve it?
The fact that we have this blog in order to vent our frustrations, our gossip, our legit stories, our complaints, to get information etc. is one thing- and mind you- I'm sure pastors and the GB have read the blogs- what is it really changing? Just people's views of the pastors? Of the GB?
It's time to stop complaining and waiting for the lawsuit to change things for us. If anything- only re-elections may come out of it.
But what are WE, the people, going to do to make the difference in changing what needs to be changed? The lawsuit could be in litigation for years, in the meantime are we just going to just complain? IF they do have re-elections- no matter who gets on the GB-- how are WE going to request the changes that we want? How can we be sure that our voices are heard and that the changes are the right ones?
Out whole organization needs a major overhaul and our consitution needs some MAJOR ratifications, how are we going to get that done? Do we continue to depend on our leaders, present and future to have the vision to do that?
Besides blogging- what action(s) are WE the people going to take that is going to manifest itself in actual change for the AA?
I say boycott everything from your Sector and up- try to rally people in your churches to not participate in anything from your sector and up.
I went to Indio, CA to the Blue Flower service- the Dorcs raised a bazillion dollars for the Blue Flower-
After the GB gets their cut, after the national Dorcs board get their cut (it's a fact they do) how much of that money raised will really reach the missionaries?
My family sponsored a missionary for a while- we contacted their family as to how we should send money and they told us not to send it to the AA Missions Dept because then the missionary would not get the whole amount. They had experienced that- so we went through the missionary's family instead to sponsor him and his family.
Pretty sad. I guess their salaries just aren't enough.
anyone have any clue as to how much the Dorcs national board get? How about the MOP? That needs to get looked into as well-
I think we need something stronger than boycotting. I think we need some kind of petition going. We need to establish a base for this and let them know we are serious.
They need to know what the people want. We should be able to vote for at least the changes that we need if nothing else. But how to go about getting starting. . . anyone out there with any ideas? Or guts?
It's time to take action. Or do we wait and see if a re-election will be held. If so, if there are new board members- do we wait for THEM to get us into more mess? How will we be sure that THEY won't turn corrupt? If they do- what do WE do? It's time to hold our GB accountable- present and future!
We also need to start making our Bishops accountable for them allowing certain pastors to remain pastors when their churches ARE NOT growing and/or they are involved in scandals, which are proven.
I for one would like to see my Bishop visit my church to check up- unannounced! The last time he visited our church- our pastor called everyone and made sure that all 60 of us were there- he was mad when most of us couldn't be there and he made some very negative comments.
come unannounced and don't accept an offering.
Lets meet. Have a strategy meeting. Say at a hotel meeting room. Say Regional. For people in SoCal, in the LA. Food for thought.
True or False
The ones who are really to blame for this mess is the Qualifying Board.
Sanchez, Valverde, Espinosa,Gaxiola and Guzman.
True or False
My pastor received some documentation on the coming lawsuit
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The Honorable General Board has lost its credibility and respect due to its alleged abuse of power at our electoral convention. One of the most important elements of
leadership is trust and at this point there is little to none as it pertains to the Honorable General Board. You cannot impart what you do not possess.
True or False
Regarding Bro. LM, I heard he touched or rubbed her back-end on accident. (yeah right)
True or False
In the words of Sanchez
"we're going to kick _ _ _ ."
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Bishop President Daniel G. Sánchez visits with Bishop Daniel Salomón on December 14, 2006 in the presence of Bishop Vice-President Samuel P. Valverde and Minister Samuel Orozco, facilitator of the Road Map concept, to apologize for the outcome of the elections. Thereafter, Bishop President Sánchez met with Bishop Daniel Salomón privately to once again apologize. Additionally, when Bishop President Sánchez went to the Road Map Seminar in Denver, Colorado on April 13-14, 2007 he once again expressed the same thing over again to Bishop Daniel Salomón of his regret of the outcome of the elections. Bishop President Sánchez also met with another former member of the Honorable Board of Directors expressing his apologies for the outcome of the elections.
True or False
I can remember being a lil girl and visiting the family at thier home. Then i tried to go to the bathroom and as my mom walked away to drink a cup of coffee. I walked towards the bathroom and he grabbed me and tried to kiss me.. I was a lil girl maybe 7yrs old. I was so scared I was shacking in my seat afterwards.. My mom looked at me and asked me whats wrong mejia are u ok? I just shooked my head.. I can still remember his breath and the look on his perverted face... No Im talking about the old man Bro. Lopez...
True or False
What about the flor Azulers do we have an organized gay deparment?
True or False
talking about illegal actions, we heard that guzman had been instructed to take the ballots that were cast at the general convention all the way to Waukegan, Illinois
True or False
Salvador Villegas used to be a pastor and bishop in Texas.
Daniel Sanchez lied under oath.
And Bishop Villegas won the case. This case happen last year. Is all public record. So Eliseo had a prost charge tagged on him? As a prostitute or as a 'john'? as a pimp
He used to sell his own wife as a prostitute in Texas and Nevada to college students
True or False
The wickiness of Sanchez, Valverde, Espinoza, Guzman and Gaxiola is causing the people to lose their faith in church.
True or False
Leo maffey took over the church of his dad in 2nd Santa Ana. They came out of CT originally and most of the people there are from other churches. They grew to a peek of about 100 members and are currently down to about 90 after about 20+ years.
That't the bishop's church!
True or False
Valverde wouldn't pass with 1) his financial conflict of interests, 2) falsifying his resume, 3) not meeting the prerequisites, 4) association to Efrain, 5) plagiarism.
True or False
Its Dccumented Fact that Pachuco has purchased at least 4 Luxury Homes in the last two years alone.
True or False
Eddie Pacheco uses and recommends as a real estate agent a 'brother' by the name of Rogelio Garduno Alvarez. (Even his name 'Garduno' sounds like he's connected).
This man has been a part of many shady deals. He was allowed to make a presentation at the Inferior District Pastoral meeting. If any unsuspecting pastors followed his advice, they will have lost a considerable some of money. At the same time, Eddie & the familia will have gained much from their losses.
True or False
The Andy Rodriguez guy from FOT had some serious problems with the government because of shady dealings.
True or False
On who works on the HQ's you forgot Sandra Maritnez martin del campo secretary (since he was bishop from LA ) something fishy there. Will Del Campo's mistress oops I mean girl friday teach him how to read and write?
True or False
Its alleged that Bishop Aguilar had an extra-marrital affair with his ex-girlfriend, who happens to be Samuel Mascarenos sister. The brother she was married to appealed to the Mesa Directiva to hear out his claims that Bishop Aguilar cheated with his wife. The GB supposedly "formed a Committee" to investigate the matter. They concluded it was a false claim. They never even gave the poor heart broken brother a chance to show his evidence.
True or False
Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife.
Richard Buffet on his cousin wife?
True or False
"Linda is also working with her sponsor and brother, Associate Norman Quiroz, to recruit the Spanish-speaking community to CyberWize.
True or False
The Tunguska drink its call after a demon the prince of darkness.
It suppose to give you energy and magic powers.
Do your own research.
True or False
What happen to the house of brother Narciso and Carmen Romero?.
Anyone? Sanchez and Baeza
True or False
A staff person from HQ told me Sanchez held a meeting this week with all AA staff and told them he was getting sued! He also told a personal friend that if the suit is filed he thinks Valverde is going to turn on him!
True or False
How can Jason Aguilar show up for a few months and get $500,000 of flor azul cash -- tons of tamales -- for a building when those other pastors been out there for years with nothing.
Don't you guys get sick of this blog? The same thing over and over and over again. Nothing is going to change, period. It's been this way since the AA began. That's why I've moved on and I'm no longer in the AA. Sad to see the AA is still stuck in the same predicament since my family and I left years ago.
This organization is tainted to the point that it is no longer effective nor is it relevant to Christianity anymore.
I think we would need some legal begals to join us.
any takers for getting the ball rolling?
regional sounds good.
to 4:32- if you left- you have no voice here. you just log on to read the cheese on everyone. you know that's the truth.
to 4:32- this is THE APOSTOLIC VOICE- this blog is for AA members only. Shhh.
to 4:32- this is THE APOSTOLIC VOICE- this blog is for AA members only. Shhh.
to the long winded 4:32-
no need to cut and paste previous posts- we've all read the previous posts- no need to regurgitate it.
to 4:37- no where on this blog is it stated this is only for AA members- if it's on the internet- it's pretty much open for public consumption. it's a free for all.
this blog is the Home Town of Gossip- all you can eat-
To 4:39,
I'm the only one who has actually made mention of the AA not being relevant to Christianity. I'm only repeating what I've already posted on other posts.
The only reason I'm on here is because I am so glad that finally, the men who did so much harm to me, my family and others are finally being held accountable for being corrupt and sexually immoral.
The only problem is, these men have grown sons who will end up being in the same positions behaving the same way.
THIS BLOG IS TRUE....I WILL NEVER FORGET HIS BREATH ON CLOSE HE WAS TO ME... SO QUIT ASKING IF THESE COMMENTS ARE TRUE. I DONT THINK THESES BLOGGERS WOULD GO ON HERE AND BLAST THEM SELVES ON AIR AND IT BE A LIE... GROW UP!!!!
"I can remember being a lil girl and visiting the family at thier home. Then i tried to go to the bathroom and as my mom walked away to drink a cup of coffee. I walked towards the bathroom and he grabbed me and tried to kiss me.. I was a lil girl maybe 7yrs old. I was so scared I was shacking in my seat afterwards.. My mom looked at me and asked me whats wrong mejia are u ok? I just shooked my head.. I can still remember his breath and the look on his perverted face... No Im talking about the old man Bro. Lopez..."
True or false, good post that shows that we need to pray and act for a change. Many are saying its pure gossip to me is true.
To lie about something so horrid.. I can say that what happen to me was true... Yes I'am the 7yr old girl. All though what occured to me was awful,there are other children who where victimized worse like physical abuse by another church member. They were swept under the table by the PASTOR... He would be the one to tell it all..He would never want to have his church labeled as a tarnished or tainted one..Thats why the cover up.. As long as u tithe in large amounts he will look the other way... Lord have Mercy on his soul...
Boycotting won't work for me. I've not been to an Apostolic event outside my local church in years.
And by the way, this is the way I think it should be!!!!!!
All these pastors/preachers do nothing for their congregations when they're out preaching at other churches, traveling the nations, all just to get everyone hyped. They go from service to service promising some great move of God of people would just go beserk during their preaching, so everyone call think they're a great preacher. In actualality, all the they ever produce in a bunch of faithless hysteria that leads people down the dangerous unbiblical path that "you can praise yourself out of anything." People go berserk in church, thinking that God actually "touched them" and that the consequnces of 20 years of horrible parenting will now disappear because you ran around the church, out of your mind.
Actually, true story, I heard a preacher at a camp once say, "praise God like you lost your mind" -- on second thought, I think TD Jakes says that. And just like an Apostolic to copy him, we now hear this in our churches. What is this saying to our people? That you can throw yourself into a fit and the fact that you've spent your money on Gucci and Coach gear, and not invested into your light bill that that will all go away? Doesen't God want us to have a sound mind?
What about when the car breaks down because its old? Just becuase you run around the church, that God will ignore the fact that you've not done your part to save or make the right life decsions to transport yourself around town, and will "bang" give you a free car?
We need
Regards to comment for Bro Villanueva... Yes bro. keep ur head and ur zipper up. Then u wont these problems....
Aren't the Lopez' and Aguilars close?
dxfjWhat happend to Sergio is more common than you think, especially with older "youth". Older as in over age 23.
Do you really think the older youth, in their 30's are celebate virgins? Not in todays society. Get real. Sergio's only mistake is that he tapped a married woman.
But give the brutha a break. He's an older "youth", a man. He has needs too.
Norma Elena or Lidia Mascareno
can you please come forward to reveal the gospel truth.
I was bro. Aguilar's musician when he pastored in san jose. He left in a drop of a hat and no one really knew why he left. When he left, there was speculation that he left because of all the suspicions about him and another one of the sisters at the church. I know Sam Mascareno's sister attended the San Jose church but she is no longer in San Jose.
All I know is that, there was lots of speculation that he had something funny going on with another hermana. I never knew which one, the church was really big at that time.
Aguilar made a smart move for leaving though, before he became another rick ramirez.
wWe have not receivced no stinking papers?
Sanchez
Malverde
Espinoza "lol they can't find me anyways"
Gaxiola
Guzman
Oh if we we buy Jamie's cd do we get the DVD Jamie going wild?
Maybe we can get some DNA from his mustache
Attn:
You folks in South Texas District...
We're very sorry to hear about what happened with your Bishop.
We can understand the terrible transition you are going through.
We pray that the next Bishop will be a good man to supervise your district.
Please let us know what happened.
Did he confess? Did he get caught?
Did the woman turn him in? And who is this woman? What is her name? Is she a member of his church or is she from outside of the Assembly?
Regardless, we pray for the Caranco family.
I agree with the other blogger that any attempt at restoration is hypocritical and a lie. The HGB would never allow any kind of restoration to happen.
The blogger mentioned that consequences are there and often very bad. But at least don't make it worse by lying to the offender about reconciliation and restoration.
For surely the loudness of the council of the unwise is quieting to a whisper. This day your crys and wallows of bitterness have been this day silenced. God will not be mocked. For surely your blastphemes against the guardians of the storehouse have been silenced and your mockeries against Gods selected leaders have quieted as a feather in the wind. A pestilence of poverty and bitterness shall be your harvest. Sickness shall rain upon seeds. Surely this day your cryes have been surely defeated. The Lord hath this day spoken a Word to you.
Someone here keeps lying about brother Aguilar and the reason he left Central church.
I am the sister that still goes to the church and I know most of the people when they were here and I all of the people now.
It is not true what this person is saying on this blog.
The Aguilar's left to Santa Ana because of his father-in-law was sick.
I guess you don't want to listen to a neutral. source.
Sista, are you just jealous 'cuz he didn't pick you?
Or was it you and was that the excuse he gave you once he was through with you?
His father in law was sick? So he abandoned his sheep to go care for his father in law?
Would a good shepherd abandone his congregation to care for just one person?
He gave up 200 to care for 1? That doens't make sense.
The church had leadership. His brother in law was named pastor.
No, something else came into play. He could come down and care for his father in law while still serving pastor. Its just not logical for a pastor to up and leave to care for one person.
Even if that is true, how come Aguilar didn't return back to San Jose? Was he not welcome back?
Being of the faith, his father in law passing would be a step up, as into heaven. As in eternal life.
No, your reasoning doesn't pass the scrutiny test.
Lets take this blogg back to the old school Con-man-SAM and 2 vote PACHUECO
Con-man-SAM he is the one that appointed Aguilar another 2 vote as a bishop. Have you ask why Abel was never elected bishop in any district?
To sista' from san jose/still in san jose:
It is not true what You are saying on this blog. "The Aguilar's left to Santa Ana because of his father-in-law was sick"?? Incorrect! Pastor Meza was not sick when aguilar moved to O.C. Pastor Meza had his son-in-law Pastor Lozano helping/assisting the church of S.A. since 1980!
So, please, sista' from san jose, no need for you to continue to post things that are NOT true. For whatever reasons the aguilars left s.j.?? who cares. They're in "higher"places now, although not very well liked but nevertheless popular on this blog.
As always, we continue to have corruption in the AA/GB.(some things never change)
so what are we going to do about it?? can we do anything??
Pastor Lozano was in charge after Brother Meza's death.
However he got booted because he started sounding like a trinitarian in his sermons and Abel probably was being groomed to take over.
I heard that Lozanos wife preaches also.
The youth from CT have always been arrogant and prideful.
They came to sing at our church once and after they " ministered "
they couldnt get out of there fast enough.
They didnt greet anybody ! So are they " ministering " or performing ?
How can you claim to be ministering and not have the heart of God towards the ones your suppsed to be ministering to ?
if you are a true christian wether you are from a popular family or choir etc...
you will display the love of God.
how many of you here can testify to what happens to people at big services or convention
those people who know and talk to you at local activities all of a sudden walk right past you at convention because they are with the in crowd or just because they are dressed up ?
where is the love of Christ in that ?
actually that is really ghetto and low class to snub people just because your dressed up and with the crowd
talking about the aguilars
what ever happened to freddie jose ?
he married one of brother mezas daughters
anyone remember his rhymes /
" youve got to turn or burn "
" get right or get left "
old school
i no longer want to be a part of an organization that would allow a buffet and a pachueco to be a pastor
serious lack of good judgement on those appointments
and i say appointments because they were appointed NOT annointed.
Yes. Pastor Lozano was in charge after Brother Meza's death.
However, he did Not get booted "because he started sounding like a trinitarian in his sermons"
Man, you are such a liar! I was a member in Santa And at that time and that is not true! Pastor Lozano was mentored by Bro Meza and his father was an apostolic preacher and church planter until he died;went on to be with the Lord. We never heard him preach or teach "trinitarian" doctrine! I was there. So please stop posting lies.
Yes. Lozano's wife preaches also. and so what!
(you apostolics are so full of envy, greed,..-) God have mercy on you and your GB leaders!
Maybe we should contact ALL these Apostolic Independent PAstors tht were kicked out of the assembly and join them, and support them. They seem to be doing better outside the AA!
I heard freddie jose got his Masters in Divinity and a Doctor's degree at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena and working towards a PhD.
I remember:
"The Master or Disaster"
"Praise the Lord or Raise the Sword"
"A church in jail or jail in church"
"Repentance or vengence"
"a champ or chump!"
...those were the good-ol-days...
To 8:02 A.M. October 30, 2007
Who are you?
In the battle or on the bottle
Seven days without prayer makes one weak
To 8:02
You must be an old timer
from mexicali, tj or san diego.
maybe texas?
man I was there too and he didnt come straight out with the trinity.
he knew better than that.
if you know doctrine you knew he was off track
i used to trip out on how freddie could pronounce holy spirit
it would come out like holy spirichachutugh
he was awesome though a very good man who helped alot of people and never got the glory for it
To 8:43AM
"doctrine" ? you mean you want your doctrine, huh. you're never gonna be happy anywhere, bro.
I always liked bro freddy
To sister in San Jose,
I was a musician for aguilar when he pastored in san jose. The musicians were very close to brother aguilar and I even remember teaching jason a couple things while he was barely in elementary school.
We were always at their house, over on Tully Rd. by the eastridge mall.
And we do remember that there was a lot of "weirdness" going on with him and another sister. I do not accuse him of anything, but I have my suspicions as everyone else did. I believe his wife had her suspicions too and would shop till she dropped in order to distract herself from what was going on. Her license plate frame even said, "I'd rather be shopping." Once things started getting really bad, they disappeared. Soon after, they almost divorced, but they were able to restore their marriage.
so the cheating is in the DNA
how juvenile it is to label someone as ignorant brcause they have a differing view than yours
that is NOT called ignorance my friend
and from the way you are so emotional about it I would have to say that the Oneness Doctrine has not yet been revealed to you
thats okay brother we just have a different understanding of things
but calling me ignorant
WOW
there seems to be a few ex apo's in here that call us bitter but from the looks of it bitter is a word that describes them towards the assembly
and being a trino is not being enlightened it is called following the masses and the doctrines of the catholic church
To 9:02
Man! you're so full of it! it's hilarious! you sure make it sound like it's all so very real. Well, let me dissapoint you, the wife shops, yes, but they were not about to -getting a divorce! Ha!Ha!
shop.shop.shop...
Let's talk about the lawsuit not the divorce
Why would a Pastor, called to Shepherd a Congregation, abandon his Congregation?
If it was for a promotion, then church is just a job for him.
Why would Abel Aguilar Abandon his Congregation in San Jose?
This thing that he left to care for brother Meza doesn't make any sense. Brother Meza had family in Santa Ana plus a caring congregation.
The Sister from San Jose makes it seem as if Bro. Meza was homeless.
Lets say Aguilar indeed wanted to care for Bro. Meza. Then why did he not move him into his home in San Jose? Many people move their ill parents/inlaws into their homes to care for them.
Nope, your story doens't make sense. There remains a cloud of mystery why Aguilar abandoned his congregation in San Jose.
Sis. San Jose,
They were not about to get a divorce?? I think you're the one that's full of it. She even admitted at a woman's conference to falling out of love with bro aguilar. And that they were on the verge of divorce. I was there, I was playing.
Does Jaime have a new CD coming out?
I think the real way change the AA is to look a generation or two ahead (if we have anything left), and use all of our "education" to teach our kids to be men and women of ethics and man and women of God. At the end of the day, the responsibility falls on the parents and not the Pastor.
The real challenge here is for us willing to stay and see this through and then pickup whatever pieces are left of our beloved AA and build on that.
Real change begins not at the general convention or even the local church, real change begins at home...specially those of you who claim to be 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even 5th generation apos.
The problem is that ETHICS isn't taught in TOMOS.
I looked at course catelog for La Puente Bible School too. No classes in ETHICS are offered.
La Puente Bible School Alumns:
Sam Valeverde No Ethics
Eddie Pachueco No Ethics
Part of our education issue in the assembly is that we are spiritually "heavy" and quite anemic on many other areas (ethics, finance…etc). Spiritual substance and character needs to percolate beyond the pulpit into your lifestyle. Because of the way we (the AA) view spirituality, we foster a culture of spiritual dominance that supersedes all other areas of a person's life. This has been woven into the fabric of this organization from its inception. Because we place such a high value on a young man's ability to preach and "tear-it-up" (or a sister’s ability to sing and minister), that's what we get, characterless individuals who know how to do just that...but where's the good in this? When needed, God will use any "donkey" available (think Balaam) to deliver a message…but at the end of the day, doesn’t matter how well you preached, you are still just that, a “donkey”.
At the end of the day, what’s needed is the uprising of the AA preliterate. This needs to go beyond spiritual matters and into areas of character, ethics, accountability, integrity and personal discipline. Only then will those in power see any type accountability, until then it’s all pointless rhetoric…doesn’t matter what side you’re on.
To 9:54 AM,
What you said makes perfect sense! The problem is, "perfect sense" is not allowed in the AA. Common sense and logic does not exist in the AA, which is one of the reasons why the AA is considered a cult by mainstream Christianity.
Regarding Pastor Aguilar,
If they were able to make their marriage work, Praise God.
If he did have something going on he did the right thing. HE LEFT.
If you fell out of love maybe she fell back in love with him. We all make mistakes.
My brother, YOU'RE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT!!! The measure of a man of God is not his spirituality, because that can manifest at any time, because God is committed to His Word. In other words, the Lord will use whoever He wants (donkey). But the measure of a true man of God is in his integrity, because integrity is a by-product of the fruit of the Spirit! Is is a life-style that is NOT tarnished by Satan and the system of this world! The Scriptures say that "...Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him...Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him." Daniel 6:3-4. Today we NEED men of INTEGRITY, not perfect but integrity! Once we have that, the many wrongs that have been committed WILL BE made right!
A pastor who cares.
The AA is religion that emerged from the rancho, to the fields, to the barrio. The leaders in charge now are the sons of those who came from the fields and moved to the barrios. They realized its easier to preach than to work an honest days labor or go to college and strive for a career.
Brethren, everything that is happening falls either under God’s determined will, or under God’s permissive will. Please understand how both work, otherwise YOU run the risk of being hurt and losing out on God’s blessing. In Scripture we are commanded to do what is TRUTH not what is RIGHT! We are to follow, obey, and submit to leaders WHEN they follow and obey God’s Word. As a Pastor myself, I teach the church to practice this. If I violate God’s Word for my own personal gain, they have the right to bring it up to my attention so I can repent and change my ways, otherwise if I get offended at them speaking the TRUTH this is what will happen, “Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” Mattew 15:12-14 (NIV). What is happening right know is necessary in order for the men of God to repent and change their ways, because we are not always right! Otherwise, in their blindness they will lead you astray also. But when men refuse to heed God’s correction through whatever method He uses (remember God used a donkey to speak to a prophet), it is up to us to STAND by the side of God’s TRUTH!!! Not by the side of who we like or who we serve. But by the side of God's TRUTH!!
I encourage you to support God’s process. Allow His cleansing to take place. Just like nature has season of cleaning and refreshing, so do the people of God (including the leadership). Do not close your eyes to the truth becoming blind leaders of the blind. This is happening so God can work on your leaders, and in your hearts! My sincere prayer for those that stand on the side of the Assembly leadership is that you face the fact that this could happen and is happening to the men of God, as a result of their actions. To the other side of the controversy, whatever you do in word and deed, do it with a clean heart and in a respectful manner. Do not rejoice at their suffering, but ALWAYS stick to the side of TRUTH! May God bless you and keep you during this time of sifting, “See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words once more indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is, created things-so that what cannot be shaken may remain.” Hebrews 12:25-27 (NIV).
PWC
The reason why the AA is consider a "cult" is because of ignorance; ignorance of both sides. "Mainstream Christianity" has a myopic view of what the Oness Pentecostalism is because they only see (or should we say they choose to focus on), those people who: a) Preach Hell and Brimstone ONLY or b) post on this blog.
I know many Trinitarians who live a holier life than most apos I know, but the contrary is also true, I know many, many Apostolics who are the epitome of a true follower of Christ - what gives?
But of course that not only does "mainstream Christianity" see what they want to see, but also what WE show them. We are ignorant at best, and arrogant at worst, when it comes to our doctrinal, and oneness revelation position and the way we present it. The prevailing "we are right, you are wrong" mentality just won’t do it and it only serves to further ostracize the AA.
We should let our light shine first through our life style and character and then come up with the explanations. No matter how you cinch it, putting the carriage before the horse will get you nowhere fast.
PAW Illinois district split from the organization to move forward into the 21st century (30.000 members)
UPCI is also moving forward living the hardliners with their 19 century mentality behind.(The TV Issue)
We must do the same.
“The number one reason was my limited time and I no longer view it as a progressive organization. Their views are not conducive to the church growth in the 21st century,” Bishop Singleton added
To 10:38
Amen!..well said.
In reply to 11:05 AM regarding the PAW split in Illinois. You need to look further into the matter. May I suggest this read:
http://www.chicagodefender.com/page/local.cfm?ArticleID=9917
Bishop Singleton left the PAW because he believes in Eternal Security, the Once Saved Always Saved Doctrine.
I thought the AA was also a "once saved always saved" organization.
They sure do behave like one.
The AA does not only practice the "once saved always saved" doctrine, but they are also a very very liberal organization. They appear to be conservative by using their woman to create a false illusion of holiness and use them to mask the liberal and immoral values of the AA.
This to me is exactly what the Taliban does. The AA leaders are spiritual terrorists who slap veils, skirts and long hair on their woman and toss them into the public fore-front for show so that the men can live as they please.
Why do you think the men bash the woman all the time behind the pulpit? Because the woman provide the spiritual mask the men use to hide behind. Without the mask, the AA leaders will have to rethink another way to validate holiness. This is a very convenient strategy that only benefits men. The convenience of it all is finally becoming more evident.
This to me equals, a liberal and immoral organization. I'm glad I'm not a part of it.
16. SIN UNTO DEATH
We believe, by the light of the Word of God, that there is a sin unto death and that if this sin is committed in the terms expressed in the Bible, the right to salvation is lost (Matthew 12:31-32; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 5:16-17). Therefore, we recommend that the faithful abstain from giving ear to doctrines that promise eternal security to the Christian regardless of his conduct and the idea that “once saved, always saved.” The Bible teaches that it is possible to be reproved and that we must remain faithful unto the end (Romans 2:6-10; 1 Corinthians 9:26-27).
That doesn't sound like once saved always saved.
To 12:07 PM,
you're kidding me right? Your verdict is determined by what you read posted on the AA constitution and home page?
If you go based on the AA leader's lifestyle and the way they manage and lead, your only conclusion can be that they PRACTICE a "once saved always saved" doctrine and nothing else.
D-Day is at hand! Lawsuit! Make no mistake!
Saved based on doctine belief?
What about Pacheco and his daily actions.
He associates with CONVICTED FELONS, does BUSINESS with them, introduces his businesses to the Apostolic Community.
HA!!!
We got you PACHUCO!
RESIGN NOW!
12:20 pm - No... that's a conclusion you draw. I'm sorry so many of you have been stuck in churches that caused you to be so bitter to the point that you focus more on men than on God. You need to keep things in perspective and quit believing everything you hear. If someone preaches one thing and lives another way... well, God will judge him. I'll kindly and quietly not be at any of his services and that's the end of it. I don't judge an entire organization on the actions of certain individuals. I know what is practiced and preached at my local church and that's good enough for me. Regardless of what happens and what side wins nothing will change in my worship, membership, giving, service, etc. I certainly will not get bitter and rant on blogs because I'm more focused on man than on God and ministry.
I think many of you need a perspective change.
Well now that I've said all THAT... let's see the RANTS in the name of "God" begin once more.
I have an observation. You people take this issue way too seriously. Most of you, I imagine, only go to church for what? Two hours on sunday? If maybe you attend a mid week for another 2 hours. Thats it. Just let go and let God.
SPIRITUAL TERRORIST!
I love it!!
Welllllll!!!!! Someone has figured us out!
16. SIN UNTO DEATH
Dose not apply to the HGB. (Not sure if HGB is "Honorable" or "Hypocritical" General Board)
Another reason they rigged the elections - They are above the law and don't have to worry about blasphemy. If they did, they'd be dead already.
To 12:39,
I think saying the the AA is a liberal org in disguise would be accurate. Your church in particular may be doctrinally sound, however, the general leadership system in the AA is extremely faulty and corrupt.
I grew up in the AA. I spent the night at GB member's homes, hung out with their kids and even dinned on the GB AmerExpress many many times. So I know first hand the thought process and general world Christian view of the AA leaders. It is not a healthy view, and this propagates down to the local level.
I am no longer in the AA, I'm not bitter, I'm free and glad to be out. Every one of my friends who are still in the AA, including GB kids tell me how miserable they are but they can't leave.
Sounds like the muslim faith to me, or the Taliban.
That it the GB are Spiritual Terrorists.
Osama bin- Sanchez
Samuel al-Zawahiri
"AA leaders are spiritual terrorists"
Man, I think this is one of the most chilling analysis of AA leadership.
Please excuse me while I pray and ask God to take away that post from my mind.
It sounds too true.
It seems dead on.
These will a convention service from AA 20 years from now.
Two little old Hermanas were attending a rather long convention service.
One leaned over and whispered, “My butt is going to sleep”
“I know,” replied her companion, “I heard it snore three times.
For those who are bashing on the conservative side of the apostolic assembly, claiming it to be very liberal, please don't even get me started. Get off this blog nobody wants to hear your opinions as to why we should leave this church. You left, now move on with it, the mere fact that you are hear trying to "expose" that it is wrong only shows that you haven’t been able to put it behind you. Please grow up, leave and stop telling us Apostolics what you think we should be doing. Get it through your head. We are not leaving!!! We don't want the easy way out, as many others have chosen, we are going to stay and fix this from the inside out.
Amen!!!
True- just 'cause YOU left doesn't mean that WE have to. You'll spend your whole life running from things because NOTHING and NO ORGANIZATION is perfect- you'll find flaws, fault, and yes, even corruption in your current one and run then also.
If you're not in it anymore- why are you on here? to add to the chismes? to read the latest chismes? yes our organization is flawed and in dire need of a major overhaul- but we're not jumping the bandwagon and leaving.
"conservative side of the apostolic assembly"???
The AA has a conservative side? I wouldn't label skirts, veils and polo ties as being conservative.
That's right! Get it through your heads. We are not leaving!!! We don't want the easy way out...we are going to stay and fix this from the inside out. Yeah!Sure!
Who do you think we're kidding.We like this merry-go-round.Lawsuit and all. 'com on guys if the GB thinks nothing of it, then forget it. It's always gonna be the same!
Please if you have chosen to leave voluntarily or where asked to leave, please stay out of this. Don't say you are doing better when your bitterness oozes through this blog. We have enough problems of our own now...and you are not one of them.
If you continue lurking around here, we might just find out who you are and send Pachueco to your church to mess things up for you...
Now, go to your greener pasture.
The law suit HAS been filed! Try to get a hold of your friends (staff) inside headquarters. The board is suppossed to be served either tomorrow (Wednesday), Thursday, or Friday. I say get a hold of somebody, because I doubt that anybody on the board will admit, right away, that they are being sued!
APWC
OK--We see the need for change in our AA, and we WANT a change, now- it's time to DEMAND a change!
This is the time for action. Enough complaining and enough of raiding everyone's closets- WHAT are WE as a people, willing to do to DEMAND a change? Keep complaining on a blog?
The fact that we have this blog in order to vent our frustrations, our gossip, our legit stories, our complaints, to get information out etc. is one thing- and mind you- I'm sure pastors and the GB have read the blogs- what is it really changing?
It's time to stop complaining and waiting for the lawsuit to be filed and served in order to change things for us. The lawsuit may be in litigation for years. If anything- re-elections may be the only thing to come of it. Who knows? Most is speculation.
What are WE, the people, going to do to make the difference in changing what needs to be changed? No matter who gets on the GB-- how are WE going to request the changes that we want? How can we be sure that our voices are heard and that the changes are the right ones?
Our whole organization needs a major overhaul and our consitution needs some MAJOR ratifications, how are WE going to get that done? Do we continue to depend on our leaders, present and future to have the vision to do that?
Besides blogging- what action(s) are WE the people going to take that is going to manifest itself in actual change for the AA?
Listen. Most of you seem to have a decent relationship with your Pastor. If you don't I suggest you move some place else! After the lawsuit is served and a new election is held, the Pastors will have another chance to vote. This time, however, from what I heard the election will be observed by people with no interests in the outcome. So, TALK to your Pastor, let him know about the blogs. Tell him how everybody feels about whats going on with the leadership! I know I ALWAYS listen to my flock, and my door is always open when they want to discuss something. But the key is how you approach him! That way next time he gets to vote, he will do it with your heart felt opinion in mind!
APWC
wasnt southern California district former bishop hooking up with his secretary ?
thats what I heard
It is quite obvious that people are not interested in getting things changed- most have an insatiable appetite for gossip.
I figure that about 5% of the people log on to this site because of concern for the lawsuit and want updates- i venture to say that 95% are in it for the gossip, the juicy stories- if we're not divulging the cheese on so & so- it's just not interesting.
2:28- good questions---
what ARE we going to do? endless cycle of complaining? it IS time for action now!
journalism = facts
bloggers = gossip
Sounds kind of like the israelites wondering the wilderness for 40 years.
Anybody see the similarities.
Did someone say action? You have to learn to walk before you can run. The AA is still crawling. They're way behind.
If they haven't acted now, don't expect them to act anytime soon, or at all for that matter.
'THEY'? I take it you are not a member of our AA?
Can somebody please explain what this means, I found it in the La county courthouse while trying to find the lawsuit that was supposedly filed againts the AA. By the way there is no record of any lawsuit filed after july of 2007, and it has nothing to do with the elections. It is the one I am showing above....does anyone have any info? because from the looks of it, there hasn't been a lawsuit filed.
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Case Number: BC374550
THE ESTATE OF CESIA ZUNIGA ET AL VS VICTOR PRADO JR ET AL
Filing Date: 07/19/2007
Case Type: Motor Vehicle - PIPD/WD (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending
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Future Hearings
12/10/2007 at 08:30 am in department 40 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
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Documents Filed | Proceeding Information
Parties
APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST - Defendant/Respondent
DOES 1-100 - Defendant/Respondent
EAST LOS ANGELES APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF - Defendant/Respondent
GATES O'DOHERTY GONTER & GUY LLP - Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
MCKAY GRAHAM & DE LORIMER - Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
PANISH BRIAN J. - Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
PRAD VICTOR SR. - Defendant/Respondent
PRADO VICTOR JR. - Defendant/Respondent
TAN ROSALIANY - Defendant/Respondent
THE ESTATE OF CESIA ZUNIGA - Plaintiff/Petitioner
ZUNIGA CICELLY - Plaintiff/Petitioner
ZUNIGA NATHANIEL - Plaintiff/Petitioner
ZUNIGA RAFAEL DAVID - Plaintiff/Petitioner
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