Attached is the link to the Plan of Action and Stewardship sent to Apostolic Assembly pastors both in english and espanol.
For your review....
Click here for: RESOLUCION DE PLAN DE ACCION y MAYORDOMIA
Click here for: Montebello Closing Documents
As noted..."The bank charged for the cost of the loan. Then, the AA Inc,(A Non Profit 501c3 Religeous Organization) added its fees. The AA Inc. is neither registered with the Department of Real Estate nor the Department of Corporations, which allows for charging of fees in a loan".
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For every 1 and only 1 there are several violations the assembly has made.
Fraud
Deception
Embezzlement
False documentation
Illegally supporting illegal immigrants
Promoting
Wild Parties
Auditn churches just to save there own skin
False belief system.
Infidelity
Blackmail
What about all those precedents.
Then the worst part is you say you do it in the name of God. Talk about such a false doctrine with false belief's.
The difference between you all and the catholics is that they are actually rich.
The days of the false religion are over now build a bridge get over it and move on.
Because the AA has become nothing but a bunch a whinning babies that have yet to see the had of God Move.
Because 1. They dont really believe in God.
2. You all are to full of sin for God to even Bless you all
3. You all have an ego that is bigger than Satan's
4. You promote many antibiblical tendcies.
5. You run of the hurt because you think you all are better untill it happens to you all.
6. You ... You know what I will stop there if the list goes on and on I will be here for the next three years.
Now stop being so bitter and live a good life.
When you all can explain that then I am sure something will be done about the church you keep talking about. That is all I am saying you are so worried about a spec when you have all this dirt that needs to be cleaned up first.
no nonsense
You, Sir/Madam, are either too ignorant or just too stupid to know that the AWA - "A FELLOWSHIP" is not run like the even worse off AA!!!!
As far as Pastor Abel taking care of the situation in Dallas...He CANNOT...He could counsel as an outside party, if he is invited to do so ONLY. Again, the AWA DOES NOT work that way!
There is NO RECRUITMENT process by anyone on the board of Directors. Period! If someone wants to join the fellowship, they can. They can also join other fellowships or organizations AT THE SAME TIME. Imagine that, freedom to do the work of the LORD!...AMEN...
Just stop your harassing comments already...stop singing the same old crackpot song, "somebody did me wrong, somebody did me wrong!"...
And another thing, no matter how many times you tell a lie, its still a lie. You keep lying to us about sheep stealing...Listen to the truth: "There is NO SUCH THING as SHEEP STEALING." Please repeat this phrase a couple of times, it will make you feel better too!
We are all free to worship as we please with whomever we please. If that means an unscrupulous man, "barely three months ordained, that took instruments that HE probably paid for out of HIS own Pocket", with little or NO theological training...well, that's what it is! Most of the AA is that anyway, so what are you complaining about? Other than a few dozen or so ministers that might have actual/real credentials from ACCREDITED Colleges, this is the norm "over there too." Move on, deal with the bigger issue.
IAMREAL
IAMREAL: that was awsome, its was becoming pretty boring, reading the same thing, over and over and over. I hope you get it no nonsense, or plenty of it.
GUNTER:
My dear precious bro/sis in the Lord:
Thanks for the list we had forgotten and probably would have missed that Your HOMAGED
FELLOW FRIEND, BALDEMAR did for
23 years or more to the ministers,
church members and fellow workers
in the Apostolic Assembly.
YOU...ARE TOTALLY 'OUT OF FOCUS'
and you are what they call.
"A KNOW IT NOTHING".
No matter if you write till 'DOOMS" day, you will NEVER KNOW WHAT THIS MAN BALDEMAR, DID TO THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY.
Abel Torres's father when he wrote "his report" or review of his life. He NEVER WROTE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT BALDEMAR!
Baldemar is IT'S all
about "self" and more "self".
The AA took him out of being a "truck driver", and a "mariachi, Norteno" what ever you want to "call it".
Baldemar taught all the rest that followed to do 'EXACTLY, AND MORE EXACTLY, the THINGS THAT "YOU LISTED".
JUST TAKE A LITTLE MINUTO, AND ASK HERMAN GARZA, BALDEMAR'S PROTEGE!
things, "go around as they go around, and the bang came back to Baldemar with 'FULL FORCE', and bam..'ONE THOUSAND STRIKES YOURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR OUTTTTTTTTTTT!
SUED!
GOT ahold of Abel Torres, and the rest."AND SAID, "WE WILL SHOW THEM" GALLOS THAT NO ONNEE
MAKES A "FOOL" OUT OF BALDEMAR!
NO MY DEAR BALDE, ITS WAS NOT BECAUSE YOU ASKED "ONE QUESTION"
It was because YOU NEVER ANSWERED
THE LETTERS, QUESTIONS, AND THE
PLEADS, OF THE BRETHREN AND SISTERS, THAT NEEDED YOUR HELP!
BACK FROM THE EARLY 80'S TO THE MIDDLE 90"S.
when all the other "old board members, died, then Baldemar
thought.
HE WOULD HAVE TO BE "CALLED" THE LAST REMAINING "PATRIACH".
It's over.
'HORRENDA COSA ES CALLER EN LAS MANOS DEL DIOS VIVO!
Baldemar "formed" a new
'little kingdom'.
His own, with no "SAY" WHAT SO EVER..
The AA to be totally" and completed 'KAPOT',
AND THEN?
we will answer you "simple minded" person.
What? WITH THE AWA, That every Pastor will have to "deal" with his "own" problems.
Event a three month ordained, deacon, BROTHER IN LAW OF TORRES,
WILL DIVIDE A CHURCH..
SO THEN, LETS SAY, a dear friend of Abel Torres.A PASTOR FROM DALLAS with no help on the division..
So if this is the "guide lines" the AWA is going to utilize.
WHO needs "enemies" with these kind of 'SO CALLED' friends.
the AWA THEY DO "RECRUIT". THEY ARE "TRYING" TO RECRUIT US, AND MANY OTHERS VIA E-MAIL, "FACE BOOK", WHERE "THEY ARE ALL ROOSTING NOW"
NO jurisdiction from the "ALIANZA" Directors,, to advice nor "correct" any injustice from any one trying to set a "church with the Alinaza 'INCORPORATION INSTRUCTIONS, BY THE DIRECTORS OF WHAT?
or sure, the 'DIRECTORS' CANNOT "MEDDLE" OR DEAL WITH THE LOCAL CHURCHES SELF INCORPORATED AWA.
BUT THE AWA RECRUITED PASTORS WILL SURE BE "DIRECTED" HOW TO SELF, AUTOMOUSLY INCORPORATE".
that is how and by whom the deacon brother in law of Abel Torres incorporated.
IMMMATURE.
ITS CALLED "RECRUIT, LEAVE ALONE, BUT JUST FINISH DESTROYING THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY"
"THAT IS THEIR GOAL, THEIR PERSONAL VEDETTA"
WOW.THE WRATH OF GOD!
WILL COME TO THEM.
THEY CALL THEMSELVES,
DIRECTORS OF WHAT?
OF NOTHING:
JUST TO MAKE A DIVISION:
HA "TE LO DIJE QUE YO MANDO!!
DICE BALDEMAR!!
DE DESTRUILLER LA ASAMBLEA!
"te lo dije. "QUE ME DES "HOMENAJES" oh te llevo a la Corte!
IAMREAL: GREAT JOB!!!!!
YOU REALLY SHUT "SATAN's" MOUTH!! He'll just be talking to himself from now own.
nosense said:
"dubayshcoywedosreiwytoygotyatyo."
Poor guy he went REALLY CRAZY!!
"El caso que le van hacer!"
y sigue el disco rayado, now i see what you mean, no theological training.
trying to figure this brother out..... so much hate in his heart, God have mercy.
what is going to happen next:
unhe2 anad etc.,
Well we see you were up at 4:45 A.M.
AND AT 6:58, ANSWERING ME!
The word of God states:
"The truth shall set you free."
You do not like the truth.
Well Iam sorry, but that is
why you are total in a doubtful
mood.
Veo que te levantaste a las
4:45 a.m. y a las 6:58., para contestarme.
Siento mucho que no "puedes" dormir, por las verdades que yo
escribo.
Si: estoy muy "enojado" y amargado, por que Baldemar despues que la Asamblea lo hizo "GENTE" porque era un 'CHOFER DE TROQUES" (TROQUERO) Y UN NORTENO CANTANTE.,
DEMANDO A LA ASAMBLEA, PORQUE YA NO LE QUISIERON HACER MAS "HOMENAJES."
Y NOS LLEVO A LA CORTE!!!
NO..... NOMAS A LA MESA DIRECTIVA, SINO A TODA LA ASAMBLEA.
A TODO MINISTRO, MIEMBRO, JOVEN, DORCA, VARONES, JUNIOR NINOS Y BEBES. A TODOS...LLEVARON A LA CORTE., A TODOS....
Porque aun que los de la Directiva, sean MAFIOSOS, NO es la
Asamblea de nadie, para que vallan
a la corte.
"A TU VERGUENZA, DIGO ESTO, QUE LLEVAS A TU HERMANO A LA CORTE".
I DE COR:
POR eso estoy enojado, que se quieren quitar de juicio los de la Alianza, con no resplandar a ese Pastor de Dallas, cuando un deacono le hizo una division.!
Me jusgan loco, y amargado, si porque estoy defendiendo a la Iglesia Asamblea Apostolica de la fe en Cristo Jesus.
Al querer Baldemar mas "homenajes", ayudo a derribar a
TODOS EN LA ASAMBLEA:
HASTA A EL MISMO.....AFUERA!!!
Y ahora no pueden ni ayudar a uno de sus Pastores de Dallas de la Alianza., porque disquen...Los Directores no se "meten" en asuntos, locales de Pastores de la AWA.
Entonces para que serviren los DIRECTORES DE LA ALIANZA??., SI NO HAY NINGUN APOLLO PARA "UN" Pastor de la Aliaznza, cuando un deacono
le hace una division..
Y al fin los Directores, si sirven para ESTO:
DE AYUDARLE AL DIACONO A INCORPORARSE LOCALMENTE..
Dios tenga misericorida.
"AY de aquel por el cual vineiern los ESCANDALOS!" AY!
YOU DO NOT LIKE IT? TOUGH YOU
DID IT TO YOURSELVES!!!
"OUT"!
counsole yourselves that you are "blogging" "great!
But the "truth we are saying" everyone knows its true.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
LA VERDAD ES LA VERDAD.
SI NO TE GUSTA,SIENTO MUCHO RECORDARTE, DE LA VERDAD.
LA PALABRA DE DIOS DICE.
"LA VERDAD OS LIBERTARA!"
Y DALE CON LO MISMO !
I dont think this site is productive anymore.
I believe it was started to first of all disseminate unbiased information on the " alleged " fraud in the elections of 2006.
As well as foster conversation and dialogue on what occured.
It has now become a site for :
Baldemar is not perfect and Abel Torres didnt help fulano and The AWA is a flawed organization discussion board.
Anyone who seeks validation or approval from a GB or only feels connected if part of an organization speaks this way.
We all know Baldemar and Abel are not perfect as well we understand that The AWA is not perfect.
What we do however understand and aknowledge is that wether they are guilty of the same in the past they stood up for what was right and had the boldness to stand and not care about the consequences.
I will stand behind such bold men any day, instead of all of the yes men and benefactors of nepotism !
So whether you stay in The AA move to The AWA, UPC, PAW or start your own Independant work understand this.
Only what you do for Christ will last ! Nothing else matters.
And if you follow Man you WILL be dissaponted ! GUARANTEED !
So please stop with the broken record already.
Can everyone please discuss relevant issues in The Church or updates on the issues pertaining to Kingdom work ? I would love to blog on all that.
Let me start a discussion suggestion.
What do you all think is the best Evangelism tool for growth ?
Are any methods utterly innefective and a waste of time ?
I recall cringing when my Pastor would ask us to canvas the neighborhood to go door knocking.
Not because I didnt want to share the Gospel, but because of the negative receptions we would get.
I always felt like we were intruding on someones day off.
I felt like we were bothering them.
So is door knocking innefective ?
And do we have the Jehova witness to thank for that ? LOL
To no nonsense:
Ya callate mocoso porque asegun oigo asi te llamaba tu papa Pedro! Sigues siendo un pedo amargado! Todos sabemos porque estas asi, prque Abel Torres no le dio atencion a tus babosadas. Cuando te anduviste metiendo en casas tratando de levantar falsos te pusieron en tu lugar y te corrieron con todas tu estupideses por eso andas con la cola levantada queriendo atacar a quien puedas! Pero parese que aqui ya hueles a pura mierda! Vete a buscar a Abel Aguilar con quien anduviste de mamon! Ni el te hace caso! LOL!!!!
TO no non sense:
Mira estupido! Esto no es lo que dice la biblia!
'HORRENDA COSA ES CALLER EN LAS MANOS DEL DIOS VIVO! your quote!
Lee bien la biblia porque esto no es lo que dice! eres un desinteologado! LOL!!!
MENSO! Te hubieras quedado en Pecos con todos los rancheros que no saben ni leeer y escribir como tu.
Valerde and Pacheco will soon need to get permits for their friendship groups.
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2010/03/17/1352638/socal-city-says-home-bible-group.html
Trophy:
Tu eres el mentiroso y tu mujersilla
Ester quien han ayunado en Cruces para que no se paren en ninguna Iglesia Apostolica de la Asamblea, ni de la de Mexico, ni la UPC ni la Pentecostal Assemblies of the World.!
Todos en Nuevo Mexico no te pueden ver.
Por tu aparencia de Girrafa.
Y tu mujersita que nadie la quiere, vestida de pantalones de hombre, y pintada como una de la calle.
Y como no tienes derecha de citar la Biblia, por tu corportamiento, y mentiras, que levantas contra todos los Pastores de la Asamblea.
vete a vender tus desabridos CD's con Los Trinos con quien andas.
To Enrique:
Todo lo que dices es verdad.
Pero nosotros estamos escribiendo sobre el "fraude" de las elecciones que se han hecho por anos.
Si es muy bueno Evangelizar, como tu dices. Pero hay muchos hermanitos y hermanitas, que no conocen los
desafillos que hizo Baldemar cuando era presidente de la asamblea.
Y nosotros conociendo tan tan bien. sabemos que fue solo un "berrinche" coraje, que le dio cuando Sanchez y sus mafiosos le respondieron, que Baldemar "nomas" era Pastor, y que no tenia nada que ver con las decisiones de la
Mesa Direectiva de la Asamblea.
hubiera sido magnifico, que hubieran arreglado esto entre todo el cuerpo Ministerial.
Pero como Sanchez, y Pacheco y Valverde, no permitieron esto, entonces Baldemar junto con Abel Torres, Salomon, y Herman Garza, hicieron el "complot" de llevar
esto a la corte.
Alli estubo lo malo, porque no confieron en Dios, y dentro de La Asamblea, haber convocado a todo ministro para arreglar esto.
Yo se que Baldemar y Torres no son perfectos, ni nosotros somos, porque solo Dios, todo poderoso es perfecto.
Pero querido hermano Enrique.
Todo esto de "fraude" se llevo por 23 anos que Baldemar estubo en su "apogello".
Y nunca se quejo Baldemar, ni Torres alla en Texas.
Pero cuando le dijieron a Baldemar, los mafiosos de Sanchez, etc., que "el no podia estar en este asunto de fraude, porque Baaldermar no era parte de la Mesa Directiva.
Alli fue el "berrinche" (FIT)QUE
HIZO BALDEMAR, Y TORRES QUE SE ENOJO POR JOEL MONTES TANTO SALIR COMO CORRIENTE DE FRAUDE.
BALDEMER Y TORRES, NO SON VALIENTES, NO SON (BOLD).
SON "RETALIATORS".
VENGADORES.
NUNCA TOMARON LA VALENTIA DE CORRIGUIR LOS FRAUDES DE ELECCIONES CUANDO ELLOS ESTABAN
EN "SU APPOGELLO".
SON UNOS COBARDES. QUE VIOLARON LA PALABRA DE DIOS, AL LLEVAR A LA ASAMBLEA A LA CORTE.
COMO UNOS PAGANOS!!!
Let me correct the timeline of what is being spoken about here:
Fraud has been ocurring since before 2006 and it goes back as far as Nava(1950's).
Does that make it right? Absolutely not!
What's the difference between then and 2006?
None, except that it finally was brought out to light. We are now living in the information age of the internet, video and camera phones.
Example: Police abuse has been happening in this country for hundreds of years. Not until someone captured this on video (Rodney King) did it become a point of discussion. Many people were in denial of it.
TIMELINE:
2002-2005: Sanchez and Valverde finally broker a surface friendship(Valverde knows how to do this real well). The reason this friendship is massaged is because there are a few in the board who are very independent minded. These general board bishops have a strong will and will not bow to Sanchez or Valverde(Haman). The Mordecai's on the board, Solomon and Fortino would not give in to their desires and would question anything that didn't seem right.
TIMELINE:
A few days before the 2006 elections in November, Valverde met with Pacheco and told him about the problem with Solomon and Fortino. He told him they are a problem if I want to acend to the AA presidency. They decided that Valverde would present a plan to Sanchez.
The plan was presented to Sanchez a little differently. Sanchez didn't want Solomon on the board because he had disrespected him several times(Sanchez is very vindictive and likes people to bow down and kiss his feet). Valverde has finally given in and has been doing this to Sanchez.
Valverde would sell his mother out to get to the presidency. That has been his goal since he didn't get to be president of the national youth department. He couldn't see how the contemporaries of his time were better than him...Abel Aguilar, Gaddie Vasquez and Rod Garcia. Remember that Valverde suddenly appeared on the youth board as vice-president? He didn't win by election folks (He was fraudalently put in by a mesa qualificadora consisting of his father-in-law, Contreras) I was there and counted the votes...I wish I had stood up to them, but I was an onlooker and you couldn't question anyone at that time. I kept this in my heart.
Did you notice that Sam Valverde only served a short period as national youth vice-president? He never had another position on the national youth board. He never served as president. He never served as national youth secretary. He never served as national youth treasurer. He only served a short period of time as national youth vice-president. Guess who he "beat"???? He beat Gaddie Vasquez! Gaddie was left out as vice-president! YEP! Gaddie then went into seclusion for a couple years and then reamerged as the national youth president. Sam Valverde never had the respect of his peers. He never served more than 2 years on any national youth board. Why? Because no one respected him. How did he get on the national youth board????
HE WAS FRAUDALENTLY PUT IN BY HIS FATHER-IN-LAW who served on the mesa qualifadora...I saw it!!
No Nonsense !
De nueveo con lo mismo ?
Y dale y dale !
WOW
To Mr./Mrs. "NO-n-SENSE"
Please refer to my previous post.
IAMREAL
To:the one who has never made "no sense,
In one of the comments GUNTER posted on this blog he told you the more you talk about Abel Torres the more attention you give him and he wasn't far from the truth!
The man who some of you blame for what happen in the AA and who YOU also blame for the problem in Dallas got a VERY IMPORTANT phone call this past Saturday morning from someone a lot of us would never imagine could call him. Guess what he said to Torres "how can we get you to come back to the AA and what can we do to make that possible?" WHY does this remind me of the story of "JOSEPH" in the bible when he was sold by his BROTHERS with intentions to destroy him and kill him then later find themselves at their brother's MERCY!"
WOW!! AMAZING!!
Guess what Torres said "NO THANKS!!
Heard he is doing really good without the AA. GOD IS REALLY BLESSING HIM!! Why would he want to go back?
I say to TORRES, GOOD FOR YOU!!
To No non-sense!
Ahora que dices? The AA is calling looking to see if Torres will come back! Vez como eres solo un puro pedo amargado! Eres el hijo de Pedro y todos sabemos que vienes de Pecos! Te corrieron de muchas casas por andar con tus vabosadas! Pastor! Callate moco!
...HALELUJAH !!!
...GLORY TO GOD !!!
...THERE IS JUSTICE IN THE UNIVERSE !
...THE LORD HEARD THE PRAYERS OF HIS PEOPLE WHO WERE HELD IN BONDAGE !!!
...APOSTOLICSSEMBLY.INFO IS
REPORTING According to Abel Torres
that ALL present members of the
General Board Including Valverde
and Pacheco will NOT accepting
a position in the new General
Board this September 2010 in the
Convention !!!
...If this is true, about time
these men tore apart the entire
assembly, tried to copy prosperity
preachers and impose their doctrine
on the backs of poor brothers,
and virtually putting the assembly on the edge of insolvency-bankruptcy with major insurance
dilemmas...
...About time
Yeah, naturally those thieving bastards, impostering themselves as Men of God aren't running anymore. They funded their little empires, completing their pyramids(church construction) by pillaging the members and other churches.
They need to be removed in the same manner they did others.
Someone creative in graphics needs to do a Wanted!! Poster. For sins against the members of the Apostolic Assembly. Sins of Greed, Lust for Power.
Not to mention the sin of allowing ministers to literally RAPE its members.
But then again, thats what this GB has been good for, RAPE.
The church has been RAPED spiritually with their ApoTaliban doctine, RAPE physically by some sexual predator pastors, RAPED financially with their prosperity doctrine.
......Attn all Pastors.....
Sanchez is trying so hard to have at least one pastor returned to the AA. He wants to appear as if he cares before his term is over. Which is far from the truth. Sanchez is trying to establish for future court evidence that during his leadership he was able to convince and re-instate pastors back into the AA organization. The truth will always remain. His pride and sinful fruits have caused so much damage.
........PASTORS......
WHEN THE NEW BOARD COMES IN YOU OWE EVERY SAINT THAT HAS BEEN WASHED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AN AA AUDIT. WITH SO MANY VIOLATIONS THIS NOW PRESIDING BOARD HAS EXECUTED UNDER THE GRACE THAT CHRIST HAS SUPPLIED, THESE MEN BELONG BEHIND BARS.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SANCHEZ HAS COVERED UP ARTIE ESPINOZA'S EMBEZZLEMENT OF OVER 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS. MONEY THAT CAME FROM THE SAINTS FOR THE WORK OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. NOT FOR THEIR MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, THOUSAND DOLLAR SUITS AND CARS. HUNDRED DOLLAR TIES ETC,
THERE MUST BE AN AUDIT..... THE GB NEEDS TO BE STRIPPED FROM WHAT HAS BEEN TAKEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
AA NEW BOARD'S PRIORITY SHOULD BE AN AUDIT... RE DO THE LOCKS TO THE CHURCHES THEY PASTOR AND BE PUT ON ADMINISTRATED LEAVE. GIVE THEM A TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE....
BEHIND BARS FOR ALL THE INJUSTICES THIS DISGUSTING, PERVERTED, GREEDY BOARD HAS COMMITTED TOWARD THE SAINTS AND OUR BELOVED AA.
???????ANY IDEAS?????
PLEASE COMMENT ALL OF YOU....
APOSTOLIC COWBOY.....
To Henry and Apostolic Cowboy,
AMEN!!
IAMREAL
Bueno...poner a estos hombres en la
carcel por todo lo que han hecho al
cuerpo de Cristo...will not happen.
Pero como es la iglesia del Señor,
el si tiene la autoridad de mandarlos al.....pero quien soy yo para juzgar? nadie. Jesucristo si!!
Ellos manejaron la iglesia simplemeente como organizacion, y alli es donde ellos fracazaron. Es
la Iglesia de Cristo, es su cuerpo
y no solo un corporacion.
Corporacion para tener status del pais o estados...en realidad es el
cuerpo de Cristo, su Iglesia.
Mucho ojo... Cristo no puede ser
burlado.... se trata del organismo
de Jesucristo..su cuerpo.
El destruye el templo (su cuerpo)la
iglesia..Dios lo destruye a él.
apostolicowboy nice going now they gonna shred all the papers just cause you saig that about aduit
i still have a secret nobody knows es una verwensa he might as well be a catolic prest cochino
If the GB doesn't plan to to get re-elected, that must mean that they are planning to take everything in their back pockets, and leave the AA bankrupt.
In Reading the latest and I do not believe it that theseen will give up so easily, a ploy to trick people in believing a lie so that they will show up to the next convention. Anything built on man's thoughts will fall.
If the law does not judge these men responsible for destroying 'not a perfect organization' but a good one built by the sweat, tears and sacrifice of so many men and women of God then one day they will answer to God.
You cannot compare sanchez or most leaders to those
that paved the way for us these men will stand before
God one day and will answer for their pride, arrogance, and
mistreatment of God's people. Don't despair God will not
be mocked.
Daniel sanches, sam valverde, Eddie pacheco, Artie
espinoza, Abel aguilar and the rest ... You have not given
grace and forgiveness as God has given you. You will
answer only to Him for causing literally thousands to
become disrespectful to the things of God and hundreds have left the church because of you. And fir the rest of you that just stood by to see these men destroy people you are equally responsible. If you are not ashamed now you will one day before God!
No cave duda que la maldad que estos induvidos, hechos a la Iglesia del Dios viviente, no seran sin pago justo ante nuestro Dios. Este domingo pasado nuestro pastor hablaba recordando de nuestros patriacas, como nuestros hnos. Nava, Sepulvada, y otros mas, y de sus experiancias de como el Senor los uso para el crecimiento de la obra, no me explico yo como estos individos tubieron el valor para actuar en la forma que lo han hecho, I hate to be in their shoes coming judgement day, but never the less we need to stand firm because whether we are WFC, AWA, AA, UPC or any other Jesusname, WE ARE THE CHURCH. No se desanimen sigan adelante, que a su tiempo segaremos si no desmayamos.
just wondering...
the plaintiffs were booted out from the a.a. with the consent of the honorary bishops including benjamin quiroz. Now that the a.a. is getting ready to boot out his son in law, joel montes, i wonder what his take is now?
how does president sanchez explain that joel montes was "qualified" to run for all those positions and now he executes the order of firing him because he does not have the property in the a.a.'s name?
The current GB is just trying to look good infront of the people.
They are trying to make up for what they did in four years.
The only problem is that they don't want to do it themselves because they are to proud. To proud to say the plaintiffs were right all along.
So now what do they do try to bring them back just so that the can salvage their dignity.
The only thing is that now that the plaintiff's are out they don't want to come back.
Now the AA GB are trying in some form to make everything right.
Now that they see the writting on the wall now they want to repent but they don't want to do it themselves they want others to do it for them.
At least the only thing I can say about this is that they at least are now feeling how real God can really be and that they are not playing with the church they played with God.
God stopped them. Now lets pray for those that are left and the Gb that God may have mercy on them.
With this this is my last statement God Bless and see the rest of you bloggers around.
Abel Torres, where are your "accusers?"
Their mouth's have been shut!!
Now the so called big guys are turning to you for help that by you returning back to the AA the pastors will have second thoughts about leaving the AA. They are desperate now because the EXODUS continues to grow in numbers.
...We ALL LOST, Sanchez who
dreamed of becoming the
Assembly President got his wish
but his wish became a nightmare like the Kings of ancient Israel Sanchez didn't come close to being a David but he unfortunately became one of the many BAD and Terrible Kings of Israel who did wrong
to the people of GOD and wrong
before the sight of the LORD...
...And Valverde, what can I say here is a man who allowed power to go to his head,
how true it is power corrupts people and Valverde who was for too LONG allowed to really pull the strings behind the scenes unchecked DID THE MOST
DAMAGE, he desired to become the
next President but almost single-
handedly destroyed and ripped apart
the entire organization that he
wanted to lead...
...Pacheco, you are the cause
of all of this if you were half
a man of GOD you would of stepped aside along time ago instead of allowing the entire
assembly to crumble...
...I do not laugh at any of you, I do not prophetise against you, I do not cast rocks against you , your own conscience will
forever follow you, I hope that one day you will publicly
ask the body of Christ to forgive you for what you did to it, you
sowed discord among the BODY OF CHRIST and you know what the
New Twestament has to say against those that sow discord and division amongst the BODY of Christ
and Im not even mentioning about
LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT in
your elections, you allowed your fleshly desire of power to
overide the authority and direction of the HOLY SPIRIT, how could you
ask for the men of GOD to pray before the elections and then
hours later you rigged the VOTES
...Once again we all lost,
Valverde , Sanchez and Pacheco will
leave the General Board in shambles economically and spiritually, what good and faithful servants you three
turned out to be ???
...Sincerely yours a Prophet
from Fontana, a poor servant of the
LIVING GOD...
What Happened? I thought Sanchez had kicked ass?
What Happened is that they took a shit and want for someone else to come and wipe their asses, so people don't see the shit on their hands!
Good posts gunter and Joe.
I thought they were so happy because they won the law suit?
It just don't stop there with the 3stooges.
you have to count the other 5 on the board and guzman and Felipe Gaxiola from Fresno who were part of the Qualifying commette.
The Bishops and Pastors who Sanchez called together and decided to throw out the others.
Like who was there. Adam Lopez, Montes' Father in law, countless others, Wanna be board member and brown noser Hoyer if he wasn't there, probably wanted to be. All the group of leaders that took part in all of this are to blame and should never be allowed to hold any position, if there is anything left of the AA after Sept.
...I forgot to add the Golden
Question that every leader and
President of any Corporation asks
himself at the end of his term, and this is the question that our Apostolic leaders should ask
themselves : DID I LEAVE THIS
ORGANIZATION BETTER OR WORSE THAN
HOW I RECEIVED IT ???
...I believe that we all know
the answer to the question
...let me see 8 years ago,the
Apostolic assembly wasn't the
laughingstock of Christian cirlcles, 8 years ago we didn't
have all these lawsuits,8 years
ago the Assemblies finances weren't on the edge of BANKRUPTCY
8 years ago the assembly was
modestly growing, now churches
and church members are splitting from the Assembly, 8 years ago
some of the most respected
leaders in the assembly were
active members today many of
them like daniel jauhall and
Baldemar have been kicked out,
and this is just a partial list !
To Joe: My brother, those words are bottom line the whole truth! If you are really from Fontana's so-called "(Soda) Fountain of Truth", then I sure applaud you for it. Someone needs to invite, compel and ask Sammy, Danny and little Napoleon (2 vote Eddie) to read this asap.
Sammy was so set and determined to get to the Top Dog's chair at any cost and Danny's insatiable thirst for admiration, glory & attention prompted him back then to promote AA musical history in the "Nuestro
Canto" project as a campaign & marketing tool
using his own son-in-law and UC's recording equipment that he'd no investment in, nor did
he attempt to pay back or reward everyone or everything that (who were) was involved. As for Eddie, him and his primocias (Sammy) had a deal all worked up that turned sour & bitter not just for them but the AA body at-large!!
I really fear for Sammy's latter days & outcome
b/c of how his late father-in-law latter days turned out to be. You see, I've been personally
affected (not victimized!) by Bro. D. Contreras and was for a time pastored by Sammy boy. ih
Donde esta el pedoro de No nonsense! Ya te callaron la trompa compa!!!
TO THE APOSTOLIC BOARD.......
THE TIME HAS COME FOR YOU TO
PASS THE APOSTOLIC TORCH...
AND LET THE NEXT YOUNG GROUP OF
APOSTOLIC MEN RUN THE RACE
THE LORD DOES NOT WANT YOU ALL TO
CARRY THE TORCH FOR YEARS AND
YEARS AND NOT PASS IT TO THE
NEXT GENERATION...
THE TORCH OF BEING A MAN OF GOD
IN THE BOARD OR EVEN A PASTOR
IS NOT TO HOLD ON IN TO OLD AGE
ITS A TORCH THAT NEEDS TO BE
PASSED TO THE NEXT GERERATION
TO PASTOR AND BOARD PRES. SANCHEZ
ITS O.K TO PASS YOUR CHURCH TO THE
NEXT YOUNG GENERATION.
ITS TIME THE APOSTOLIC LEARN TO
PASS THE TORCH IN 2010
The thing about that Mary is that the new young generation is to caught up on their opinions and views which at times aren't even biblical.
The younger generations are not sound believers.
Sometimes they walk in to church with their fake attitudes and fake spiritual faces and try to act holy.
When sometimes they are further from God than the secular people.
Do not get me wrong I think the younger generation should come in but I think we have to be really spiritual when selecting the younger generation.
Because not everyone that claims to know God and claims to have a relationship with God is really of God.
We have reached a time that the bible clearly points out when God said that many will go in his name but only few are true followers.
Not everyone that claims to have the name of GOd is really from God.
We have reached the time of false prophets and false doctrines.
Churches we have stepped into a moment of having to seek God more so that we can discern the good from the Bad because, there are many bad seeds that are spoiling the bunch both the old and the new.
It is time that the Church’s start seeing with God’s eyes and wisdom not with one’s own opinions and sentiments towards others.
Today we have many fake Christians in churches and that is starting to stop the Kingdom of God from growing.
March 28, 2010 4
Amen Sister Mary!
Its the young generation that is going to lead Gods church to new heights! Its prophets like Prophet Reverend Steve Montenegro, who have a new and fresh annointing and are evangelizing souls from the world! Its a new order in God's church, with young prophets like Reverend Anthony Romo, who are breaking down strongholds of satan! Its young prophets like the Jess and Jason Aguilards, who are breaking down glass cielings of the divided church. Young prophetess Jaime Aguilar Hernandez is breaking into the Hollywood, hip hop scene and converting souls in the name of the lord! Amen and praise God for the young generation of apostolic prophets!
Glory and Honor!
To: Facts only
Is that little heifer Jaimie still singing in the choir! I guess when you go black you just never go back! Has she tried anything else other than black lately? I heard she was a sex maniac!
mary,
that's an even scarier thought. the youth being the next generation of board members? Wow!
Sanchez and company were told the same thing when they were young, and look at them now.
The assembly's doctrine is weaker than a sand castle and has is completely irrelevant to Christianity. The assembly needs to go away and stop harming our young people.
In order for anyone to understand genuine Christianity, you have to step outside the culture in which you live.
Most people interpret their reality through their culture. The Apostolic Assembly is not any different.
This is explains why the Apostolic Assembly is more of a custom than it is a creed.
It also explains why so Apostolics are proud to be Apostolic. They see their religion through their heritage more than through the scriptures.
The Hindu religion is very similar.
Hey Fagsonly1 didn't Montenegro discredit you on this blog in the past? YES HE DID! hahahahah.
You can mock the Lords chosen prophets this Holy week. God will not be mocked!
Silence you fool!
Prophet M is taking the gospel to places never seen in the history of the AAFJC. Prophet M is in high society and bringing those from there to the AAFJC.
Prophet R is an educated man of true knowledge and wisdom. He's breaking down strongholds and soon to be evangelizing in Japan, he's wife is Japanese and taking the gospel to pagan Japaneses.
Prophets AAA are taking openeing new works in the lord and taking the gospel worldwide while Prophetess JAH is breaking down the walls of Hollywood, Hip Hop, R&B.
It wont be long, the AAFJC will be known worldwide and on front stage while you AWA False Prophets are wondering in the desert!
Wondering in the Desert ?
And what pray tell are these AWA prophets so pensive about in the desert ?
Maybe the desert heat is making them dizzy ?
If you are a representation of The AA you are doing them a disservice.
Why are you so jealous of The AWA.
You are like the girfriend that got dumped and says " I dont care He'll never be happy without me "
Move on man ! And stop hating on The AWA.
Hey Fagsonly1, I know where I saw you and your wanna be prophets. FANTASYLAND, hahahahahaha. You've been preaching the same bull.....it for a while.
To bad your prophet in the dessert S. Montenegro is not here to defend himself. Did you know he is under investigation in Arizona for having illigal aliens in his church and not reporting it.
Oh yea, "Prophet M is taking the gospel to places never seen in the history of the AAFJC." Federal prison that is! lol lol lol. Yes, "Prophet M is in high society and bringing those from there to the AAFJC." High society like PAcheco and Valverde! hahahaha. Man fagsony1, you sure are fun to screw with. DUMB ASS!!!!
I am praying along with my fellow prophets for the cleansing of the holy church. A cleansening of the unfruitful bitter members of the church to return to the father of lies, saten.
New, younger prophets are rising up! Its the new generation of modern apostolic prophets that are leading a new movement of the spirit. New manifestations are here. We can smell the victory over saten.
Pray you sinners and backsliders to the father, supplicate to his mother Mary, to plead for your forgiveness of your sins again the lords annointed leadership.
May the graces of the father be unto you today. MMay you walk in the wisdom of his blessed mother, Mary, and her prophets Montenegor, Romo, and aguilars. En el nombre del padre del hijo y del espiritu santo. Amen!
you can laugh. you can mock me. but to mock the Lords appointed Prophets will only put you in danger of eternal damnation.
Prophet M is a great and mighty man of God! He has great influence on the State Capitol and is winning souls for the Lord at there.
When the governor of Arizona gets baptised, and becomes a member of the AAFJC, the Lord will exalt his Prophet!
When Prophetess JAH wins souls like USHER to the Lord, and he becomes a member of the AAFJC at CT, you will see the church exalted to new heights!
"When Prophetess JAH wins souls like USHER to the Lord, and he becomes a member of the AAFJC at CT, you will see the church exalted to new heights!"
LOL LOL LOL
Well you know what they say.
ONCE YOU GO BLACK WE DON'T WANT YOU BACK.
This Good Friday, I declare Christ to you. I call on you rebels of the AWA to return to your your first love, the AAFJC.
For all this time you have been unfaithful. You have left your bride only to whore around.
Its time to remember your vow and come back home.
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I was speaking to Prophet M, he assures me one thing. He is sick and tired of all you whoremongering rebelous saints making up false accusations and spreading rumors on the internet.
He has mentioned he will be sponsoring legal lesigestion in the Arizona Supreme Court that will make the spreading of lies, gossip and false rumors over the Arizona Internet on the World Wide Web a Class B felony.
He has also met with Sarah Palin and shared with her the Gospel. They are working on her baptism and soon she will be saved because of Prophet M.
Glory and Honor!
I want to take this moment to apologies to everyone whom I've annoyed and offended.
As it is good Friday, I thought it appropriate to repent of my lies and offenses that I've committed against all of you.
The truth is I do not know Steve Montenegro and he doesn't know me. I haven't been taking my medication lately and it has now caught up to me.
Please forgive me everyone, and I love you all. I love you more than you you can imagine. God bless you all! All of you!
If the church is not allowed to analyze and criticize the actions of their church leaders, then they are in a cult, unless Sanchez and Valverde are God (which they are not ).
Ours is the church! Its not a place to have your secular humanism! Why do you rebelious AWA'ers have a need to question God?
The lord has appointed devine leadership under the unction of the holy ghost.
The church is not a democracy, but a theocracy with a ecclesiatical form of governants.
Our covenants is with the lord, not man.
The lords prophets are praying for you thats haved returned to your vomit.
The AWA has a spirit that has gone assunder!
~~~~~Pastors~~~~
This is what your president does in the church of Calexico. There was an announcement made to the local members that the bishop was coming to the visit the church on friday. The pastor asked every member to give an offering no smaller than $40.00 (Yeah that is the mentality of you sick pastors trying to please men.) Lo and behold the members were tricked. Who showed up... it was daniel sanchez. You can feel the tension in the air from the members. What does daniel sanches the ex-cholo and deciever do... start his speach with 2 jokes....that is how they see the living church. As a big joke. The respect for the church is no longer there. Daniel the deciever along with his queer brother John and other brother stephen the crook who likes to steal other peoples money and church people, were there not to contribute to the brethren. But to simply syphon more money from the church and into thier wallets. This is what daniel sanchez will be doing for the next months coming up. He will visit all the churches and syphon enough money straight into his wallet before he empties out his position.
I AM SO GLAD THAT OUR GOD REMINDS US OF HOW MIGHTY OUR GOD IS.... THE EARTH SHOOK TO A 7.2 ON SUNDAY NEAR THE BORDERTOWN OF CALEXICO TO REMIND US OF WHO IS MIGHTIER AND IN CONTROL OF OUR LIVES....
YES PASTORS... YOU WILL WITNESS HOW DANIEL SANCHEZ RESPONDS TO THIS 7.2 CATASTROPHE IN MEXICALI - CALEXICO AREA. JUST LIKE HAITI WAS 7.2 THEY RESPONDED WITH SENDING ARTIE ESPINOZA THE GUY THAT STOLE 1.3 MILLION AND MORE... FROM THE CHURCH MEMBERS... THEY WILL SEND HIM WITH A TRUCK LOAD OF WATER BOTTLES....FROM COSTCO ($200) WHILE HE RACKS UP THE EXPENSES ON YOUR DIME...$3,000.00 EVERY TIME.... AND YOUR PRESIDENT JUST LOOKS THE OTHER WAY....COVERING ALL...... INSTEAD OF HELPING AND POURING OUT WITH ASSISTANCE DANIEL SANCHEZ HAS HIS CALENDAR BOOKED COMING TO YOUR CHURCH TO COLLECT FOR HIS WALLET......
MARK MY WORDS.....
GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED....
~~~~~~~~~APOSTOLICOWBOY~~~~~~~~~~
The Assembly will never be the same again, Daniel Sanchez will always be remembered as the one person that almost singlehandedly destroyed a good church organization, not a perfect one, but a good one.
Just watch what they do in the next few months as they (GB) attempt to appear 'repentant' or begin to apologize to others, it will be very hard for me to believe that it will be genuine.
However, the church will continue on in ways that will be very new for many of us. It will be a true move of the presence of God.
I challenge all of you that are reading this message, speak a message loud and clear and do not support the upcoming 'convention' in Anahiem, if you attend you will only help their ego. Find something else to do, go visit a loved one, go feed the hungry, host a bible study in your home, find someone that you can help make a difference. In other words, why don't you save your money or better yet take your family or spouse on a vacation. Don't give it to men that are full of their own 'ego'.
Oh by the way, can't everyone just ignore the facts1only? he is obviously missing a screw or two. don't pay attention to him.
Just to give a sincere expression. Since leaving the AA, I have supported a couple of ministries. One of my expectations is that the money I donate is used for the ministry and no more than 15% is used for administrative costs. The problem with the AA, is once money comes in, the general offices ensure that every board member gets their portion and their costs are covred and less than 15% of money actually goes to missionaries or specific ministries.
Imagine this, if the 8 General board members would cut their salaries in half ($5000 a month) then the $40000 a month could be used to help missionaries and churches that are struggling. How much of a blessing would it be if 40 missionaries and struggling pastors received a monthly stipend of $1000?
This would never happen because the General Board believe they are entitled to their $10000 a month, salaries from local churches, housing and car allowances, numerous offerings they receive going to various events. For these men who are uneducated make far better living than any Doctor or Engineer I know. I find it sad and pathetic that these men live such extravagant lives while members of their own organziations work in restaurants, custodial and many low paying jobs. The General board should be ashamed of themselves. You people are nothing more than religious gangsters and do not deserve to be equated to true men of god with a sincere calling.
Another thing, the frequent flier miles that the GB and staff accumulate on their AA credit cards should be used for the AA and not for their family vacations. The commissions from convention should not go to one person, but should be used to bless any credible AA ministries. Let see if the General Board members go on any nice vacation after conference.
I call on all Apostolic Assembly Young Prophet to immediately Pray! Position yourselfs toward Baja California and Pray that these earthquakes immediately End!
I call on all Young Apostolic Assembly Prophets from the East, West, North and South to Pray for the Earth to stop trembling immediately!
I call on Prophet M to have the government immediately issue legalslation to have Earthquakes in Baja Region to stop!
I call on all Apostolic Assembly Faith Healers to immediately head to Rancho Cucamonga Apostolic Assembly Headquarters. We will gather and immediately travel to Baja California to begin Healing the sick and injured!
I call on all MOP'ers to immediately send and Emergency Love Offering to Prophets AAA, to JAAM's PayPal to assist in this effort!
Amen! Glory and Honor!
~~~~~Pastors~~~~
This is what your president does in the church of Calexico. There was an announcement made to the local members that the bishop was coming to the visit the church on friday. The pastor asked every member to give an offering no smaller than $40.00 (Yeah that is the mentality of you sick pastors trying to please men.) Lo and behold the members were tricked. Who showed up... it was daniel sanchez. You can feel the tension in the air from the members. What does daniel sanches the ex-cholo and deciever do... start his speach with 2 jokes....that is how they see the living church. As a big joke. The respect for the church is no longer there. Daniel the deciever along with his queer brother John and other brother stephen the crook who likes to steal other peoples money and church people, were there not to contribute to the brethren. But to simply syphon more money from the church and into thier wallets. This is what daniel sanchez will be doing for the next months coming up. He will visit all the churches and syphon enough money straight into his wallet before he empties out his position.
I AM SO GLAD THAT OUR GOD REMINDS US OF HOW MIGHTY OUR GOD IS.... THE EARTH SHOOK TO A 7.2 ON SUNDAY NEAR THE BORDERTOWN OF CALEXICO TO REMIND US OF WHO IS MIGHTIER AND IN CONTROL OF OUR LIVES....
YES PASTORS... YOU WILL WITNESS HOW DANIEL SANCHEZ RESPONDS TO THIS 7.2 CATASTROPHE IN MEXICALI - CALEXICO AREA. JUST LIKE HAITI WAS 7.2 THEY RESPONDED WITH SENDING ARTIE ESPINOZA THE GUY THAT STOLE 1.3 MILLION AND MORE... FROM THE CHURCH MEMBERS... THEY WILL SEND HIM WITH A TRUCK LOAD OF WATER BOTTLES....FROM COSTCO ($200) WHILE HE RACKS UP THE EXPENSES ON YOUR DIME...$3,000.00 EVERY TIME.... AND YOUR PRESIDENT JUST LOOKS THE OTHER WAY....COVERING ALL...... INSTEAD OF HELPING AND POURING OUT WITH ASSISTANCE DANIEL SANCHEZ HAS HIS CALENDAR BOOKED COMING TO YOUR CHURCH TO COLLECT FOR HIS WALLET......
MARK MY WORDS.....
GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED....
~~~~~~~~~APOSTOLICOWBOY~~~~~~~~~~
Praises to the King, parese ser que aun en el blog la Paz de Cristo Reina, en cuanto a lo demas, dejemoslo a nuestro Dios. God Bless everyone.
Corbon Dioxide the silent killer
There is a silent killer of families and dreams and ministries that does it very quietly and has done it for years, has gotten away with it put now I come to understand that it is everywhere! Help is needed in Tucson and there is no help to be found, families are lost with no resoration avaialable to them due to the damage and emotional distress they have been put through. But I know the Lord will hear thier cry, I will pray for them from afar and I know God has somthing in his perfect plan for all who seek Him!!
Blacklist: What happen to us was not an easy thing to swallow, but now two years later, we look back and have nothing but thanks and praises to give to our God, yes many souls have been lost in the process but all we can do is to pray for them unless we are close to them then we need to encourage them and thats why I pitty the GB comming judgement day, I don't want to be in their shoes. We at World Faith Center where Pastor Guillermo Mendoza have just celebrated our second aniversary of FREEDOM for the AA and we go foward with our eyes on the Lord. God Bless.
Hola como estan mis blogger.
Oí que Mr. Montes de NLC Inc. fue a
visitar las ofecinas de la AA; alguien puede verificar esto? Supe
que ya no estan con la AA,y que negocios tiene Montes de ir a Rancho Cucamonga?
No estuvo de acuerdo de enviar los P&L ni cambiar la propiedad. Este hombre no sabe lo que quiere.Tiene
doble cara.
La congregacion voto en NO cambiar la propiedad a la AA, esta congregacion deberia de votar a Montes de ser pastor de ellos. Esto es una afrenta para la congregacion y sigue la misma cancion...Si y No.
Montes vacila mucho con hermanos que el pastorea. Primero le escribe
a Presidente Sanchez que va cambiar
la propiedad...fue candidato en 5 ocaciones en el 2006 and he lost!! y luego este año pide la votacion de la congregacion si estan de acuerdo en cambiar la propiedad a la AA y la congregacion voto que NO. Hombre de doble animo no se le puede confiar.
I heard that Joel Montes was running for President for 2011 is that true
For those senior pillar members of NLC think of all of the scarifice your parents went through to be where the church is at today, it was there prayers and scarifice that moved the hand of God to get the building.
It was 2 men that made an agreement (1983) which was before Pastor Montes got the church it was not his fault.
We now have upgraded our church have a gym for the community to play in we have more than approximately 600 members our church is worth more that 1.1 million in properties alone our church is one of the top 10 churches across the nation that give tithes and offerings.
Why wouldn't the AA want the church it will make them look better for the bank to give them more money for law suits.
my opinion would be stay as we are enjoy what the Lord has provided for us, we have more young people coming to the Lord by way of ministry in playing basketball and witnessing to them.
It would be ashame to let it all go in the hands of the GB and they loose it for non-payment. God Forbid!
@ slayer:
Or the GB could sell it RIGHT FROM UNDER YOU!!! Move Forward!!!
IAMREAL
PRAISE THE LORD
Well yet another Tunguska Blast scam to sucker in the Brothers and sisters out of their hard earned money!
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SLAYER quiesas Joel no tiene culpa del año 1983. Pero si del 1992 al presente. Bueno del GYM que no hay uno al cruzar la calle...y es gratiz,porque pagar un miilion por uno que se usa una vez al mes; y porque no envangelizar en parque que antes se llamaba Denver Habor jugando basketball van mas jovenes alli que no. No habia necesidad de hacer un GYM y tener un pago extra
no creo que sea una buena inversión.
Is this conservstive limited government?
Arizona bill sponsored by steve Montengro..
Government cant regulate banks (FED), water purity (EPA), or administer taxes (IRA), but in his views, it needs to know every detail of you daughters, mothers, sister's abortion, and it be reported to s state beauracrat...
hypocrite at best...
House of Representatives
SB 1304
abortion; reporting requirements
Sponsors: Senators Gray L, Pearce R; Representative Gowan, et al.
DP Committee on Health and Human Services
SB 1304 requires a hospital or facility that performs abortions and health professionals that treat women with complications due to an abortion to submit a report to the Department of Health Services (DHS) detailing non patient identifiable information so that DHS can prepare an annual statistical report based on the data gathered in the reports.
History
Arizona Revised Statutes (A.R.S.) § 36-2151 specifies that hospitals are not required to admit any patient for the purpose of performing an abortion and that a physician or staff members must not be required to participate in the medical or surgical procedures that would result in abortion upon submission in writing of their objection on moral or religious grounds.
A.R.S. § 36-2152 outlines permission procedures for abortion on an unemancipated minor including written permission from a parent or guardian or court procedures required for an abortion.
Provisions
· Requires a hospital or facility where abortions are performed to submit to DHS information on each abortion performed in the hospital or facility. While the report will not identify the individual patient by name, it must include the following information:
Ø The name and address of the facility where the abortion was performed.
Ø The type of facility where the abortion was performed.
Ø The county where the abortion was performed.
Ø The woman's age.
Ø The woman's educational background by highest grade completed and, if applicable, level of college completed.
Ø The county and state in which the woman resides.
Ø The woman's race and ethnicity.
Ø The woman's marital status.
Ø The number of prior pregnancies and prior abortions of the woman.
Ø The number of previous spontaneous terminations of pregnancy of the woman.
Ø The gestational age of the unborn child at the time of the abortion.
Ø The reason for the abortion, including whether the abortion is elective or due to maternal or fetal health considerations.
Ø The type of procedure performed or prescribed and the date of the abortion.
Ø Any preexisting medical conditions of the woman that would complicate pregnancy and any known medical complication that resulted from the abortion.
Ø The basis for any medical judgment that a medical emergency existed that excused the physician from compliance with the requirements of this chapter.
Ø The physician's statement if required pursuant to section 36‑2301.01.
Ø If applicable, the weight of the aborted fetus for any abortion performed pursuant to section 36‑2301.01.
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· States this article does not establish or recognize a right to an abortion and does not make lawful an abortion that is otherwise unlawful.
@ La Trucha your comment is just like a mexican always being negative as soon as someone tries to better themselves "boom" there you go bringing them down like the GB La Trucha you are probably a GB member.
In 1992 what has happened until present be more specific?
Your comment about the gym across the street is not available everyday they charge entry fees to and play basketball (like the GB want to take your money any way they can) and if you want something good you have to sacrifice for it (of course on the expense of the brothers and sisters), but La Trucha you seem to just want to throw rocks. for your info the NLC gym is used 3 times a week which it seems you do not attend that church. to answer your question about park ministry there is evangelizism and they do have an outreach program they also give out free food to the people around the park which is done once a quarter. You see La Trucha I give specifics you don't'
La Trucha you do not see the need for a church to have a gym, you do not have vision, GB wants to have what NLC has to just ruin it. and to have the extra payment is fine with the brothers they see their children playing in a better environment.
and to add somemore information NLC made the gym because they are going to build a bigger sanctuary and have service in the gym for now and for FREE and not pay Denver Harbor gym across the street and NLC is already approved at the bank for the construction.
The GB is not going to take nothing away from NLC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSghdUwNsMo
Rep Steve Montenegro supported the Immigration Bill signed today by the AZ governer:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100423/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_enforcement
He supported a bill that gives the cop the right to stop you, your mother, your father, anyone, for looking hispanic!
You as a US citizen must now be subject to questioning, and forced identification, for merely looking as an immigrant!
Limited government, and exclusion from our lives!?
It seems he just tea-bagged your grandmother, for the sake of the gringo vote!
The truth is that the people are not here legally.
Bible says also to obey the law of the land.
The truth is that most of the them have put on a drain on our schools, hospitals and other services.
Will you harbor a rapist or murderer? Because they donated their offerings and tithes to the church? Of course not!
You either obey the law or you don't.
praise him...
here is minister steve "the apostate" montenegro's latest words of compassion conservatism to all his apostolic latino bretheren who find themselves in a state of panic, shock, and horror, over the passing of arizona's sb1070......."too bad, get out, and stay out" i am paraphrasing of course. but you can watch the VIDEO for yourself at:
http://univision.com/content/videoplayer.jhtml?cid=2374998
Steve montenegero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbfbOhsuvl8&feature=related
read the youtube comments
wow here is more on steve montenegro...what kind of mwssagw does this send out to every latino in the apostolic assembly..lol
http://video.latino.msn.com/watch/video/representante-hispano-apoya-ley-anti-inmigrantes/xo5dcbmj
Wow! A few pieces of silver, rubbing shoulders with The Man, and Rev. Esteban Montenegro SOLD OUT his brothers in the Asamblea Apostolica.
Rev.Steve Montenegro = Unlce Tom!!
uspc: stevie didn't sell any body out.
he is all for legal imagration, its illegal imagration that he is against. mexico protects their borders, why doesn't anyone make a big deal about that?????
have you ever spoken with a guatemalian? panamanian? or any one who had to cross over through mexico???? I have and if you heard the stories I've heard you would feel different. Mexicans are the most racist people I've encountered!
just do some reserch on the southern mexican border see if they let others in? reserch the mexican laws concerning imagration.
How many offerings has Montenegro picked up from Illegal Aliens?
How many Illegals are members of the AA!
He sold out his own!
Just like JUDAS!
No if he was a sell out he would have voted against this law. but he took an oath! you would think with a name like usmc you would know something about that? you sir are a sell out!
if anything since you say he took offerings from illegals/criminals then he would stick with the money that would make him a sell out, but he didn't!
so you're reasoning falls on its face!
...
How many ofrendas(Honorariums) has Steve Montenegro taken from the Asamblea Apostlica and other Latino Churches?
A good amount of that money came from the labor of hermanos that are illegal aliens.
Yes, they should be deported. But he and his father have been in bed with illegal aliens for many decades.
They have broken bread with them. They have preached to them. They have fed them. They have prayed for them. They have baptised them. They have collected offerings from them. Now that he has gone prime time, he turned his back on them for a few pieces of silver.
How can you knowingfully fellowship with Paisanos and then turn your back to them?
A Slayer> mas especifico bueno, favor de leer las cartas en apostolic info.y ve 8.14.07 A Candiate's File y busca EXHIBIT 6C alli tu pastor firmo como corporate officer de la AA Inc. en Marzo 12 1992 en el 2006 fue candidato en 5 ocaciones y perdio!!
Joel Montes nunca fue GB member.
Y luego ve y busca 12.30.09 Montes Matters favor de leer la carta al presidente Sanchez.
USMC:
Steve MonteNegro obligation is to protect the citizens he represents. There are many good illegals but a bunch of illegals bring bad things such as drugs, gangs and bankrupting social services. Steve Montenegro stayed true to his oathe as a politician. something you cannot say about most politicians.
No doubt Montenegro did what was right even if people of his own heritage continue to break the law.
This is a part of a News article:
A staffer in Rep. Trent Franks' (R-Ariz.) office, Steve Montenegro, has received death threats for supporting it, according to Franks’ spokeswoman Bethany Haley.
Montenegro is a Republican Arizona state lawmaker who is Latino.
I sure hope all the outraged former and current apostolics are not making threats.
Thats a cute scare tactic. Threats? What kind of threats? I seriously doubt any paisas are calling the office to make such threats against Rev. Montenegro condidering the FBI, DEA, State Police would be breaking down doors and arresting them for making Terrorists threats.
Not like phone calls cant be traced.
Even more so after all the new laws passed during President Bush's term,
Wow! You would think law enforcement would be taking those threats serious.
Isnt Sheriff Arpaio all hardcore law enforcement? All those calls coming in making terrorist threats to a Federal Employee and State Legislator should be grounds to start tracking those threats down and making arrests. Send those hoodlums to Az Prison!
What happened to all the comments?...it's only letting me read 103 of the original 1000 plus comments on here......anyways
My name is Gerardo Grado....and this is me...my pic os of my wife Lisa and I with Pastor Saul and his lovely wife Tavita.
I make this explanation because someone else by the same username decided to make some extremely derogatory comments of Pastor Juan Campos and people assumed it was me and began to drag my name through the mud. I'm not new to this tactic...I know that most people can't live with themselves unless the talk bad about someone else.
Those of you that think I have an axe to grind I don't. I am now VERY happily a member of Bishop Abel Torres' church in Midland, TX. But if you ask anybody in the Midland AAFCJ church I keep in contact with some of them because I have no animosity.
I don't like to say things I don't know...that's why I haven't been on here. But I will say this. If someone has something to say that is personal in nature...please allow them the liberty to do so.
I was attacked by some "friends" of mine who are not even in the AAFCJ for going to Bishop's church...I mentioned it and suddenly...I'm not "Moving on" or "following a man". then why don't you also get on their case?...why am I the only one that's wrong?
http://univision.com/content/videoplayer.jhtml?cid=2374998
screw him!!!!
he is elling out ot get the grinro voter...!!
if you are still in the Aa, speak up, rebel, protest his wannabe white ass!!!
you are ignorant if you refuse to speak up against thins! your illegale family is not a criminal!
do not accet the argumemt!!!
protest the AA anf its leadership!!! they have now sold out its own leadership to the far right!!! Never votre replican again!!!!
I like the truthfulness of this blog. While everyone who offially opposes the bill claims that the AZ immigration bill could lead to racial profiling. You bloggers reveal the hidden motive and that is to keep allowing illegal/undocumented immigrants to keep crossing. I know a large number of latino organizations are trying to turn this into a racial issue, but there are many legalized latinos that know a large number criminals are crossing the border. They smuggle drugs, guns and not to mention all of the gang violence that takes place. Since Mexico border towns are becoming excessively violent, American Citizens do not want to be victims to Problems that Mexico cannot control. Steve Montenegro thank you for protecting the people of AZ.
To all you people that are crying about the AZ wanting to protect its citizens, why not go to Mexico and protest over there. Most mexicans would rather stay in Mexico, but they can not because Mexico is a third world country. Even though, they have a decent GDP. The reason you guys do not go and protest is because you are chicken because the Drug Cartells power.
please watch!!!
Salvadoreño vota contra los inmigrantes en Arizona Marcha 1 Mayo 2010 Los Ángeles CA
new video of steve mensonegro ...lol
http://www.youtube.com/user/juan200888#p/a/u/1/N1iJC1TURzw
Boycott ANY service this sell-out is speaking, at. I'd protest his speaking engagement at any convention.
Much better, let your local chapter or hispanic civic group know he is in town, and his itinerary. He is short sighted, ignorant, and foolish. An injustice to one, is an injustice to all!
He has the mentality of the house slave, masta our house is on fire! Boy, its not your house! (lol)
Boycott you say? Heck no!!! for what making your state safer? Bro. Steve we are praying for you, I admire you for what you stand for, you my brother are a man with guts and convictions, do not let no one take that away from you. Now Texas is talking about bringing that law to our state. God Bless you bro. Montenegro.
Oh Yeah. Send all the hermanos back packing but leave the pretty single hermanitas.
If you really are interested in stopping the illegal trade of drugs and guns at our sudden border than demand an investigation of the CIA's operations there. They have been protecting this "illegal" trade at the border as they see it fit to help our "national security".
You'll do more this way than stopping people like your grandma from crossing the border.
Esteban Montenegro es un hipocrita que puede facilmente recibir las ofrendas y diezmos que dan los ilegales. Luego los quiere entregar a las autoridades para arrestarlos y mandarlos a la fregada! WOW!!! esto es lo que los apostolicos llaman lider! Ha llegado a los oidos de Univision de los problemas con fraude de la Asamblea y Jorge Ramos esta por lanzar un documentario sobre la Iglesia a la que pertenece Esteban Montenegro el disque Ministro! Ministro mis patas!
unhe2
Ya se te olvido de donde veniste buey! Hojala todos tus primos mojados to oyeran lo idiota que eres! Te acuerdas que tu mismaesposa no podia ir a mexico por un tiempo!
Si Trophyman hablando de hipocrita, a para boquita que te cargas hermanito, creo que tienes la vista muy corta y muy mal informado, le herras en tu manera de entender mas alla de tu mente limitada, conectate la lengua al cerebro antes de jusgar, te recomiendo que estudies mas del asunto antes de habentar lodo para todos lados. Dios te bendiga y ten cuidado que algun dia tendras que dar cuenta.
Thanks for your kind words, and you just prove my point sir, your information is very limited, anyone that knows me, knows that I am just a servant, I don't get behind the pulpit to dish any thing, you poor bitter creature, whether you like it or not one day you will in front of Him to answer for your deeds, and by the way the brother in Arizona, his name is Steve.
Oh and, no Bro. Willie did not create me, boy la treas toda chueca.
unhe2
Si el idiota se llama Steve entonces porque se detuvo en responder cuando el Gran Jorge Ramos le pregunto si era esteban en El Salvador! Lo que pasa es que es un zipote y es todo! I think your the bitter one because Jorge discovered you peoples true colors! Why don't just get on a diet! You fool!
Oh but I did, you be happy to know that I lost 35 lbs. you should see me now, tu el cabesa de algodon, si supieran algo de los Salvadorenos es que la mayoria de ellos siempre han usado nombres de English. par de ignorantes. Que trophyman ni que nada, trofeo del diablo pos que.
ahora ya no soy panson, soy pansonsito para ti sonso.
UNHE2
Please, with all due respect and kindness, read the following article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30/duncan-hunter-deport-ille_n_558137.html
IF YOU THINK IT ENDS WITH JUST "SECURING THE BORDER" which no one is against, or returning illegals, my firend you are mistaken.
It's about scared racist white folks and the GOP understanding that the latin population (Legal and Illegal) willbe a minority within the next few decades. Its about surpressing a Legal voting block that they will never win, and making them into 2nd class citizens.
Thats is the fault in the AZ law, that you, my, our parents no matter their legal status or tenure in the US, are now required by Law, to show proof of being here. Here!? We didint come here (many of us) we were HERE before this territory was the US. We ARE "here", just as much as the rivers that flow through our lands, and the trees planted on the banks!
My friend, re-evaluate your initial thoughts, don't beleive Rick Perry has your best interest in mind when he speaks of secession, and panders to the Tea Part movement.
Brother Steve Montenegro is not a hipocrite, sell out or vendido.
He is just an individual who has a differing point of view.
It upsets me that Latinos and Liberals in general explode in fits of rage and anger when someone disagrees with them.
Remember folks that one he is a fellow christian and second he is an ordained minister.
So why all of the hate and anger, he sees things a certain way and just because of that now he is evil ?
Doesnt make sense, just agree to disagree.
Rome,
I agree, and to clarify, have never called him evil.
Now, to again hide behind the mask of ordination, or christendom as to be above and free of criticism is beyond me.
We are citiquing the man's vote in a publicly held office, that is democracy at work, both his vote which he is free to do, and my our your fellow brothers' criticism of that vote!
We are agreeing to disagree, and engaging in a dialougue, that is democracy at work.
Perhaps many people are not accustomed to it, since its never practiced within the theocratic regime called the AA.
I am showing a pattern that will and is takign place by the GOP and their militant militia the Tea baggers, both platforms which Rep. Montenegro has publicly embraced and supported.
Their intent is the 2nd classification of the latino population. It was paracticed under slavery and jim crow of the black populations in the south in the 19th and 20th century, and has now morphed into what we are now seeing throughout Texas and the Southwest.
Read the history of the native Tejano population, and how they were denegrated, and treated as 2nd class citiens, I for one will never allow that to take place, or at least not silently!
Please, please see this filme:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/class/
Everyone,
Including you sir. Rep. Montenegro...
See the following filme...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/class/
Educate yourself, before expressing an uneducated opinion.
It happened before, they want it to be as it was.
These are the days Glenn Beck speaks of when he says, "I remember when" or, "why can't it be like it used to be"...
Sir, My granparents taught me their history, and they want no part of those days again, for them, or their children!!!!!
Those who hide behind the mask of religion... have soemthign to hide...
It has begun...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30/criswell-college-lamar-co_n_558254.html
YOu conveniently ignore the conext of the post, and simply tried to discredit the sites themselves...
But please, engage on the context of the articles. Please defend a sitting GOP rep stating he beleives US born Citizens should be removed from their country!?
But to answer you, no, not a Member of MeCHa, I have my differences with them, not a member of La Raza either, don't necessarily agree with their platform. So, engage the argument, now that you have miscalculated who I am.
I've stated many times why I used Mao, and it wasn;t for socialism, it was on his statement of religian as an opiate for the masses. I found it fitting for this blog. I don;t beleive in the people's uprising, the long march, or the new society reforms he instituted throughout mainland china.
Again, engage the issue.
I don;t take hand-outs, I never have. I've also been blessed, and pay my share to the church, and my share to the state. And i see it as my patriotic duty to do so. I don't complain on April 15. Why? Because I remember that we cam from nothing, our families rrived with nothing in their pockets, and nothin to their name but their work-ethic, their faith, and their families.
So, I see it, as my national duty to gives to those without, I arrived with nothing, I will leave with nothing, so why horde it in the meantime?
Education, is the key, and the answer.
Do yo not beleive that education should be provided to every child in this country? Would you make it a market commodity, only availble to those with money, and influence?
2 Government interventions did more to create amerioca's middle class, than any free market ideal.
Mandatory education for children, and the GI Bill for education. Feel free to refute that if you wish, or simply scream out labels, epithats, and talking points if you wish.
I wait for your counter argument sir....
Here it goes again, you are getting sidetracked of the real reason why this blog was created. Many of you are so gullible you will get distracted for anything.
I do however want to make one point about Arizona, I support what Cesar Chavez stood for, and before you say that this is a lie, then I challenge you to research the archives on Mr. Chavezs speeches. Are you ready?????
Cesar Chavez did not believe or support illegal immigration. He spoke out against anyone entering the US illegally.
Pinal Co. Deputy Shot by Illegal Immigrants During Traffic Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is why the border has to secured.
It's not a question about legal aliens but about the illegal ones.
Here is the link.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/pinal-co-deputy-shot-4-30-2010
It's time to close the border!
ITJ,
You are absolutely correct, and it is a little known fact either never taught, or overlooked by many people in the Mexican-American ethinic studies programs.
JC Chavez was primarily fighting for the plight of the "Union" members of the NWA, not the plight of illegals crossing the southern border.
In fact he found the use of labour from ilegal aliens as a direct threat to his Unions, by putting downwards pressures on the labour market (ie an illegal immigrants hourly rate was much less than the higher Union structured rate).
Thanks ITJ for bringing this up.
It's better to understand history, than to simoly beleive general myths about our past.
If I may clarify, I am not here protesting the AZ law to leave an open unsecure border. I don't think anyone is here protesting that point.
I for one, am protesting the degradation our hispanic resident aliens, legal nationalized citizens, and natural borne citizens will be placed under by these laws!
I will not accept 2nd class status!
Boy bro. Mao, it dosn't take much to see where you are coming from, even before Rome discover you, I was thinking the same thing he told you. One thing you need to understand is that we are no longer religious people, is all about knowing Him and His will in our lives sir, but apperantly you are to busy in your world of pride that you don't let the Word open your eyes and clear your head.
Really!?
This is your counter-argument to this most sensitive of political and legal issues affecting our brothers, congregations, family and people?
Rome discovered me? I don't think I was every hiding, but ok.
Really, that's it???!!
praise him
So it took you two days, you so smart. the more I keep reading your comments, the more I think that you are not even a trophyman, is more like a trophywoman, vieja chismosa. congratulations on your reseach, but most Salvadorans in the Houston area are english named. I am not writing to you no more, you crazy.
Would you please your friend to traslate the names Nixon, Elmer or Franklin? those are just a few that I met.
Esteban es con E mayuscula, burro.
Unho2
It's not traslate it's translate!DUMBASS!
I also talked to Second his name in El Salvador is Secundino!
I also talked to Mack, his name in El Salvador is Macario!
Let's face it your just plain stupid!
Chairman Mao! You go Boy!!!
Well all you bloggers that are so "up to date" on the immigrants resolve in the AA etcs.,
It is no wonder the "Mesa" has determined to "dissolve" the "Confederation of the Dorcas"!
A La FRANCISCA, (FRANCES) WANNA BE "GRINGA, presidenta de las Dorcas., had her "last" "swing"
given by her "look like South of the Border daughters".
The wanna be, GRINGA Francisca, celebrated her 6oth., birthday party with "only very selected Dorcas", and some out of the AA
invites. pretty close to 800.
The daughters Olga and Juana,look alike ...from the over the River. made "sure to "drain" the Dorcas, of more and more and more and more money and gifts and gifts and gifts, ......before the "expiration date" of the last of Franciscas' Dorcas "hey day," CHOSEN BY SANCHEZ., WHO ADMIRRES PANCHITA....??WHY????
(Panchita) as she is called in Houston and Matamoros, south of the Border where Panchita was born.
We say that better for Panchita "stays out of Arizona" together with her "look alike daughters, because the "new law" that is to pass, may have Panchita and her daughters sent back to Matamoros and CHILE!
Francisca, never has had "enough" of the monies she has "drained" the poor Dorcas...
At every convention, she receives over $5,000.00 or more FROM the poor Dorcas that 'WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED"
georgina and santa married to the Lion, instilled this "money draining from the Poor hermanitas.
SHAME ON YOU ...FRANCISCA AND OLGA AND JUANA. SHAME ON YOU!!!!
YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH!
Sanchez and Valverder and Pacheco are aware of this...But the more the "Dorcas" are "drained and drained" of their hard earned money. The better for them. Because Francisca and georgina and santa also from Sinaloa, Mx.,
drain the Dorcas for more and more "flor azul".
But soon they will all have their day of judgment!!
It is no wonder that the Mexican American AA brothrs have left the AA, and with a "Large Exit".
These South of the Border..munipulators and controllers, as georgina, santa, and Francisa, are too...astout to "dig for more and more money from the poor Dorcas"!
A todos los "bloggers" y aquellos interesados de lo que esta pasando con las nuevas leyes de inmingration.
Esto es una explicacion porque la Asamblea a llegado a lo que esta pasando de mas y mas y mas dinero.
Por eso es la razon que no hay ya
ciudadanos Americanos de decendiencia Mexicana en la Asamblea por la munipulacion y abuso de mas y mas dinero.
La que se llama Francisca, presidenta de las Dorcas de la Asamblea, que se quiere hacer "GRINGA" y se nombra "FRANCES", celebro su fiesta de gala de 60 anos.
Dada por su dos hijas, que ni miembras son de la Asamblea, se congregan en otras iglesias de otra dominacion.
Olga y Juana, que las dos son nacidas en Chile, SA., se dieron la "corrida" de hacerle a Francisa, la fiesta de 60 anos invitando "ciertas" Dorcas., como 800 para sacarles a las Dorcas, mas y mas y mas y mas
"OFRENDAS" dineros y regalos".,
Esto de apuro --Antes que se le cumpla el tiempo de Francisa de presidenta de las Dorcas, en septiembre 2010 en la convencion en Anaheim.
Francisa, que nacio en Matamoros, MX., una munipulatoria y controladora, siempre han estando,
'MAS ALERTA" EN COMO SACARLES de las pobres hermanas Dorcas, sacandoles mas y mas y mas dinero. Y regalos.
En cada convencion, se lleva Francisca como $5,000.00 en dolares de lo que les SACO A LAS DORCAS.
ESTO APENDIO FRANCISCA DE georgina, y de santa, casada con el leon, que ellas son de Sinaloa.
Se llevan de "golpe" a las Dorcas, sacandoles mas y mas y mas dinero.
No tienen verguenza!!!
Es mejor QUE Francisca, (Panchita_ no valla a Arizona, porque alli le ley la mandara para Matamoros y a las hijas Olga y Juana para Chile!
Ya basta que las hermanitas Dorcas, tengas que "trabajar" tan duro para SOSTENTAR A ESTA SIERPES, que nunca tienen suficiente Y QUIEREN MAS Y MAS DINEROSSSSS.
Sanchea, Valverde, y Pacheco saben de esto que hace Fancisca, georgina y Leona.
Pero les dan 'RIENDA' para que les collecten a la 'MESA' DIRECTIVA, MILES DE DOLARES........CON LA "FLOR AZUL".
NO TIENES VERGUENZA NI TEMOR DE DIOS FRANCISCA, GEORGINA Y LEONA.
PERO PRONTO LLEGARA TUS JUICOS...
DE DIOS!
We sure know
these "mojadas".
They came into the
United States to do
domestic work
and worked in the
fields and factories.
Found out "that"
through "their religion"
they "could" have an
"ID" and drain for
more and more money.
They get a "hair bun".,
and get the same "brand"
of shoes., and
"they are "approved"
and "accepted"., and
NOW TO WORK FOR "THEIR"
religion., and make
"Mega bucks."
Yes ,my dear bloggers,
we all left the AA,
because these "wanna"
be "rich" chased us all
out.
How did "they chase us out"?
We "saw right through them".
They think we are unable
to see "what "their"
religion is?
lol. Money money and more
money. Travel, even
abroad.., and with "OUR"
OWN MONEY!
what a joke!
That is why the AA is
"kapput"
You "Informed" are
so right on.
I hope the "migra"
sends them all back!
God Bless Prophet STEVE Montenegro, a highy ranked legalslater in Arizona Government!
God has appointed out Prophet to bring the hand of justice to the United States of America!
I prophetcised that Prophet Steve Montenegro would take the Apostolic Assembly to new highs and new places our church has never been before.
The Tri-Unified Prophets are being lifted up into high places!
Glory and Honor to the Apostolic Asssembly for bring up a new generation of young prophets bringing the hand of justice to the world!!
Amen!
If the previous post doesn't scare the living Hades out of you, of blind faith, and unquestion following, I;m not sure what would.
Factonly1 is a prime example of what the salughterhouse wants from its sheep.
The following letter came across my inbox, forwarded from bretheren to bretheren.
Many Social Conservatives, of the Palin variety, who now only, when their tios and tias are about to de deported, only now do they see the error of their ways for blindly following and supporting this GOP masquerade.
I hereby copy and paste Dr. Ramirez's words....
OPEN LETTER TO REV. REPRESENTATIVE STEVE B. MONTENEGRO
April 23, 2010
Rev. Steve B. Montenegro, Member
Arizona State Assembly
Dear Steve,
I write with great disappointment over your betrayal of people who counted on you to stand up for them and over your greater concern for a bright political future in Arizona. As you well know, the community of apostolic believers who made it possible for your parents and family to enjoy a full life in the United States has always included a significant number of brothers and sisters who, like your family, have also journeyed in search of a full life, often away from very desperate situations, obeying a “higher law” of survival. Unlike you, they did not have the privilege of official documents from a denomination (Apostolic Assembly) to ease that transition. All they had was a name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life and, often, a letter certifying to good Christian character from an apostolic pastor in Mexico or Central America. Yet, as faithful payers of tithes and offerings and untold hours and years of religious labor, they made possible the sustenance of your ministerial family after its arrival from El Salvador. Like Naomi of old (the Book of Ruth), they have been uprooted in the back-and-forth ebb and flow of labor migration waves. Like Ruth of old (Naomi’s widowed daughter-in-law), they have learned to follow Jehovah’s dictum to always welcome the stranger, the poor, the orphaned and the widow, a teaching reinforced by Jesus’ concern for the “least of these” in Matthew 25. In that solidarity Ruth and Naomi, found fullness and messianic promise in and for both countries, Moab and Israel. Now, like the beleaguered and criminalized community in the Book of Esther, your brothers and sisters must now seek refuge from the blistering heat of xenophobic and scaremongering laws, appealing to high heaven for help in a time of trouble. What pains me the most is that unlike the heroine Esther who risked life and prestige for the persecuted, you have elected to follow the works of Arizona’s own Haman, Senator Russell Pearce, who has long sought to mark and expel these “lawbreakers” (notice the similarity to Haman’s charges), and who has ascended into powerful positions on the back of these scapegoats. My dear Steve, many of these scapegoats are your brothers and sisters, who have prayed for and physically sustained you and yours all these years. Your betrayal and hypocrisy (surely you transported and fellowshipped with these “lawbreakers” in the past; surely you never refused a tithe or love offering from the hands of “lawbreaking” laborers) as a co-signer of this nefarious legislation (SB 1070) is a source of great sadness. So, too, was your 2008 campaign’s attempt to distance yourself from other, “lawbreaking” immigrants. While I wish you well in your promising political career, I pray that you find your place once more among the powerless and humble of the earth. Who knows, but that for such a time as this you have been called into the public square, to proclaim justice and mercy? You may protest that you sought to soften the heavy hand of Haman (Pearce), but you did not. Neither will Governor Brewer's executive order against racial profiling. The hounds of fear and hatred have been unleashed. And do not think that you will escape the fate of your vulnerable brethren. Dear Steve, it would have been sweet to celebrate Purim (the Jewish holiday celebrating the Esther story of liberation) with you a month ago. It is too late now. The feast of Pentecost is around the corner, however. Maybe then you can restore yourself to the right hand of fellowship with your brothers and sisters who love and pray for you, albeit in the shadowy margins of an increasingly hostile society.
With a broken heart,
Tío Mordecai
(Daniel Ramírez, Ph.D., Ann Arbor, Michigan)
Prophet Steve Montenegro's family did not have their immigration papers sponsored by the Apostolic Assembly!
That is a lie from the darkest pitts of hell!
Just mind you who the Prophet is Mr Remirez!
Stop using the word to mock God's anointed and appointed Prophet.
I call on all young MOP to pray for Prophet Rev. Steve Montenegro!
Let us pray without seasing!
Its power and honor to the new generation of Apostolic Leaders! We are going to high places!
Amen!
"I write with great disappointment over your betrayal"
As opposed to the spiritual betrayal of the DGB and the majority of the Bishops
which is far more greivous.
CHAIR MOA- Y OTROS:
Si Steve Montenegro ha tracionado a la Asamblea Apostolica con no apollayor a su gente esto es muy malo.
A que nievel llevo Gaddi Vasquez a la Asamblea? Cuando estubo trabagando con los Republicanos.
A ningun lugar. Pues Gaddi siendo de familias por su Madre Eva y su Padre Lupito Vasquez,que fueron nacidos en Mexico y trabajaron en la labor al sol ardiente, y al frio terrible! NUNCA GADDI HISO NADA PARA AYUDAR A LA ASAMBLEA.
Todo es solo Gaddi...asi es Steve Montenegro, solo "Steve".
Pero EL QUE si en verdad HIZO MUY MAL destrullendo 100sssss de jovenes como homosexutuales en la Asamblea, con su corruption malvada, fue el DANIEL RAMIREZ, que ni aun es PHD., y se da titulos falsos.
Este individo DANIEL RAMIREZ, que nunca se ha casado, y tiene ya cerca de 60 anos, hizo tanto mal a los de Union City, y a otros jovenes tan innocentes.!
No tiene verguenza DANIEL RAMIREZ, de escribir a STEVE MONTENEGRO...ESTE..... DANIEL RAMIREZ, amado de DANIEL JAUHALL.,
QUE CORRUPTIO A TANTO JOVEN VARON APOSTOLICO. COMO HAZEL MEZA, Y ARRIEL MEZA Y MUCHOS MAS!
No se debe de justificar DANIEL RAMIREZ, DE NINGUNA MANERA, NI ASSOCIARSE CON LA ASAMBLEA, porque DANIEL RAMIREZ, ES UN HOMOSEXTUAL!
en que ha ayudado DANIEL RAMIREZ A LA ASAMBLEA? EN NADA!!!
SOLO EN CORRUNPIR JOVENES!!!
CHAIR MAO AND OTHERS:
So Steve Montenegro did very bad in not supporting his own people.
True, but believe me Steve Montenegro will definately not take the Apostolic Assembly to any place.
Neither did Gaddi Vasquez, whose parents Eva and Lupito Vasquez, God rest his soul, were also immigrants from MX., and migrant workers in the hot sun of the day and clodest day doing field labor work for YEARS!!
What did Gaddi do for the Assembly????? NOTHING!!!.
It was just about "GAddi", SPOILED ROTTEN!!!
and now GADDI sits in the "rear bench of his father,AS A VISITOR, founded church BY HIS FATHER , here in Orange while his nice brother presides.
These guys "gone political" do "NOTHING" ..... for the Assembly. They are just for "themselves".
But the ODASITY OF DANIEL RAMIREZ, (wanna be PHD., candidate from Duke.,SO HE SAYS!!!! )
to write to Steve Montenegro, reprimending Steve Montenegro "for selling" out his brethren and family.
MORE HARM THAN YOU ALL CARE TO ACKNOWLEDGE DID DANIEL RAMIREZ DO TO THE AA.
He started young, he is now hitting 60., never married, and corrupted so many young men in the AA. The ones in Union City, Riverside, CORONA and the Mezas from Santa Ana.
Daniel Ramirez goes around "trying" to get recognition by supporting Immigrants, and at the same time uses the AA to be it's "representive"..
And at the other side of the "coin" destroyed so many young men's lives, that some have already gone to eternity.
The Nerve of DANIEL RAMIREZ!
WASH YOUR LAUDRY FIRST DANIEL RAMIREZ, BEFORE YOU COMMEND OTHERS!
HIPROCRATE!!
CONCERNING THE AWA:
Many Pastors are leaving the AA, running for their LIVES, BECAUSE
"JUST AS HITLER AND THE GESTAPO HAD BUT FOUR MONTHS., WHEN THE "YANKS"
ARE COMING"!!!!
HITLER ORDERED 'HIS TROOPS' TO RUN AND ATTACK "ALL" THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THAT THEY COULD.. SO ARE THE "HEAD HANCHOS OF THE AA"
"ATTACKING" BIT TIME!!"
KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO ATTACK,
SEARCH FOR
"PROPERTIES" "TITLES" "BANK ACCOUNTS"
IN WHOSE NAME THE PROPERTIES ARE AND
"LYNCH AND TAKE OUT ALL THE PASTORS"
THAT THE PROPERTIES OF THE CHURCH IS NOT IN THE AA'S NAME!
The MESA DIRECTIVA OF THE AA., has but (4) MONTHS FOR ANOTHER "FRAUD" ELECTION!!
WITH SAMMY AS PRESIDENT, PACHECO AS VICE, AND THE SAME "FRAUDLULENT
RE-INSTATED!
(SEPTEMBER 2010 IN ANAHEIM)
So the Pastors are "running" to the AWA....YET!......................
there is an issue that is harming the AWA tremendously!!!
MANY pastors have called to say that they do not appreciate it at all the conduct and the attire that Saul Avila uses when he visits their churches with the AWA.
Just like a person is expected to go to Court in front of the JUDGE IN professional attire, so does the Pastors "joining" the AWA want such an attire when Saul Avila visits their churches and "tries to convince the Pastors that the AWA is 'MORE FLEXIBLE', and 'DOWN TO EARTH, IN DRESS MODE.
to "reach the souls"!!!!!!!!!
But the Pastors say that the manner that Saul Avila comes dressed "so careless, confuses these Pastors who their congregations expect the attire of the Pastor to be , not as a homeless person, but as a representive of the Ministry, as is expected in these days.
Sure we know that AARON AND MOISES, dressed as in "those days of old",
and John the Baptist dressed in "goats skins" and the Disciples as Fishermen etc.,
but Saul Avila should know better.
We do and can appreciate the attire of Brother Baldemar, Salvador Mendoza , Abel Torres, Daniel Salomon and all the "hundreds of Pastors" that have joined the AWA, but what's with Saul Avila????
He speaks very well, and appears to be very kind and hospitalable, but what's with the "dress mode kick, and the "TEXT MESSING" in CHURCH?
We know that Valverde and Pacheco wear over $1,000.00 suits and maybe that is what Pastor Avila is trying to "down play"..but to what 'EXTREME'?
Suits and ties can be purchased at Sears, WAlmart, and J. C. Penny's if there is no money.
But not like a "beach commer" nor a "cholo"..
BUT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS "NO" SUPERVISION FROM THE "DIRECTORS".
IT CAN AND GOES "OVERBOARD" EITHER WITH TOO MUCH SUPERVISION, AND "NO" SUPERVISION.
WAKE UP SAUL AVILA, YOU ARE DOING MORE HARM...THEN GOOD!
YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER...YOU ARE DEFINATELY "NOT" A NOVICE...
YOU HAVE BEEN "AROUND" A LONG TIME!
We will pray for you Brother Saul!
They tell me that they "understand" that Saul Avila is "trying" to project to the "youth" that the "formality of the suit and tie of the AA is "OUT", WITH THE AWA>,
But there is that understanding..true, of flexibility in attire, but not to the extend to have Saul Avila look, like a 'CHOLO'.
ALSO THAT WHILE SAUL AVILA IS SITTING IN FRONT OF THE CONGREGATION, AND the song worship is going on and other person speaking, Saul Avila is "texting, continously.....with no respect.
We care for the AWA very much, but we realize that there is a thing as "respect for God in church, and every where else.
For the Respect..
John The Baptist dressed like a mad man, a savage of the dessert...
But it was the message he was expressing that mattered.
Point being (Not in defense of SAul Avila, or anyone else for that matter) you must learn to see beyond the superficial, and understand the message being spoken.
IS a lying, false prophet any more edifying in an Armani suit?
Is a child covered in dirt and mucus, who smiles and returns a stranger's smile, much more edifying?
This small and closed mindedness is what has led the AA astray. Everyong wears nice expensive suits, but has absolutely nothing to say.
Do you really think people are much more in-tuned with the dress code, as much as they are with the message of the speaker?
I thik you take them for being much more shallow than they truly are...
Informed...
So... If I read yur statement correct...
Daniel, you are gay, you cannot or should not speak?
Steve Montenegro... you are not gay, hence feel free to vote for an unjust law that makes 2nd class citizens of all LEGAL hispanics?
In your view, their sexual orientation is the basis of who should and should not speak?
Just asking for clarification?
And before you completely go on the deep end, rant, adn ignore my actual question at hand, no, not gay (lol), just not homphobic... (feel free to view the definition of homophobic, before you make that into an issue it's not, as well)
This why we need new young leadership in the apostolic assembly!
I nominate the idea of electing Prophet Steve Montenegro, the very important Legalslater from Arizona to be our Bishop President of the Apostolic Assembly Church!
Prophet Montenegro will take the church to new highs.
I thinking we need to have the Prophets Aguilar, Jess and Jason, to be on the General Board too. We need young leaders. Not old has beens who wear fancy suits!
May the power of the Tri-Unified Prophets be with you! Amen!
@ FOR THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE! - Tell those pastors that worry about suits and the like to stay right where they are at in the AA.
They will only encounter their own prejudice and weakness' outside of the AA, and most will fail in their transition outside of the AA. The system perpetuated by the AA helps maintain these types of Pastors. They want to move away from the AA, yet still have the AA. Sorry fellers, it all comes in the same package (the good, the bad and the corrupted).
Whether I agree or disagree with Saul Avila's dress code or the the newly formed AWA (of which I am not) I applaud Saul for his point of making clear "What you see is what you get". He could have easily been decked out in 3-piece suit just to make everyone happy, then later when he visited gone to "himself" and left the pastors wondering if Pastor Saul is backsliding or getting to liberal....
@ Factsonly1 - Thanks for your writings, every-time I need a good chuckle I come on here and read your posts. I see the LSD hasnt completely come out of your system. And stop looking at those nasty websites, they make you go cross-eyed and senile.
@ FOR THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE
Im not In the AWA but what i know about it is that it was never ment to be an organization but a fellowship. Therefore, every church is incorporated which should have it own bylaws standards written down. Therefore, for example a Pastor from Orange can have different standard than a Pastor in Texas and so forth. The only thing that needs to be in common is THE BELIEFS which is THE ONENESS, Baptism, the Gift of the spirits etc. Dress code is individual. You are a typical AA member mind you a said AA i didnt say Apostolic. Because PAW's are apostolics and they dont have the hang ups that the AA members have. This is why i am glad my pastor never ever join the AWA cause i knew there was going to be people with the same AA mind and would try to destroy the good intentions of the AWA. May God Bless Bro. Avila for not falling into pressure and may God continue to re-new his mind.
Hebrews 6
1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
I have notified the Tri-Unified Prophets by text message. They are raising all you illegal alien loving law breaking backsliders in prayer.
God will accept the illegal alien's repentense when they go back to Mexico.
They can live for Christ in Mexico!
God Bless and Prosper Tri-Unified Prophet Congressman Steve Montenegro. May God Bless the Arizona State Legalslators.
God will bless and proper the Apostolic Assembly Church!
Glory and Honor! Amen!
LOL LOL
Factsonly your a blast!
Thanks for the LOL
Well what do you know:
The "WEASEL THE SCREAMER" THE TRAITOR AND LYNCHER, ABEL AGUILAR,
WAS CORDIALLY invited to be the
GUEST SPEAKER AT THE DORCAS RETREAT. (THIS WEEKEND)
You would think that after being "named with two votes" and what he did to Brother Baldemar, and Brother Abel Torres THERE WOULD BE SOME RESPECT FOR THESE BROTHERS WHO TRIED TO BRING JUSTICE TO THE FRAUDLENT ELECTORAL
SYSTEM OF THE AA!
What are you going to preach to the Dorcas, Abel?
That your brother in law Ariel, who 'STOLE' $5,000.00 from the Dorcas treasurer fund here in California, and never paid, while his Father , God rest his soul, F.Meza was "Obispo".
And what are you going to preach to the "Dorcas" that you married your daughter Jamie, after she got divorced "Twice" once in church and the other to her "Black gym trainer" and then YOU MARRIED HER WITH "ALL THIRD HONOURS" IN YOUR CHURCH IN SANTA ANA?
Is that what you are going to preach to the Dorcas? that it is "all right" to marry in Church with all Christian rights", even though the daughter has been married, divorced, and "shacked" with and "then "remarried in full pledge, as "first time" christian
custom.
AND "TRIES" TO SING IN CONVENTION?
It is what they say,"Some can and others can't."
Why?cause you give Valverde and Sanchez and Pacheco, million dollars contributions from the "GRANTS YOUR CHURCH COMMUNITY GETS, FROM ARIEL'S SCAMS."
Who would have the "nerve" to invite you to be a guest speaker, at the Dorcas, with YOUR BACK TRACKING!!!
AND OF COURSE THE TESTIMONY OF "NENA"!!
You are all in total agaste!!!
No doctrine, no pride, no conscience, but lots of "MONEY"!!
SO THE "MESA DIRECTIVA" especially Valverde and Rachel...forgive you.
What about others in the church, that all of you, VALVERDE AND SANCHEZ have 'BLACKED BALLED'?
BUT YOU WILL GET YOUR RECOMPENSE, IN THE MORNING!!
@Factsonly1 - Oh Yeah? Well I have Quad-Unified prophets. That means one more than you. I win! Double stamp it, no erasies...
http://www.apostolicnews.org/2010/05/apostolic-arizona-state-rep-votes-for-sb-1070/
Anyone in Steve Montenegro's home district (electoral, not apostolic), please foreward or simply post his opponent's web-site as soon as it is published.
I for one will be donating the max personal amount to whomever runs against him.
I think many of us will.
The AA may not censure him (and why would they, Valverde is in bed with the religous right just as much as Montenegro is), but we as CITIZENS can vote Montengor out in a legitimate election (not the sham elections held by the AA).
Steve, publicly renounce your vote for this draconian bill, or face fierce opposition both econimically and boots on the ground, at your next election cycle...
More votes and work from your fresham rep..
STEVE BLACKMOUNT (Montenegro..)
It's worse than we ever had imagined...
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/30/arizona-to-ban-cesar-chavez-and-mexican-american-studies-in-schools/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/26/eveningnews/main6434594.shtml
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2011779140_lynne05.html?prmid=op_ed
Seems.. learnign your past, your history, and the accomplishments of your people... Are a threat to Steve Blackmount...
funny I'd say.
Is someone from a diffrent state allowed to donate, because I would like to send some to Steve just to do the right thing.
Unhe2
Yes, most elections are now funded by people, pacs, or foundations not found within the actual local jurisdiction.
I encourage you to participate, and Fund whichever candidate you believe best represents your views or interest. It is democracy at work.......
Thanks Mao.
Okay not that i am justifing Steve. I just think it is good to see that he has enough guts to stand for what he has believed ever since I first met him. He has always had the same political view which is refreshing.
True maybe he did give in a little but so do so many people that are here in this blog.
I am not saying that everyone is guilty of similar things but, sometimes our bosses have required us to look the other way.
Now as far as being a supporter of Steve I do not even live in the same state.
I am glad though that nothing changed his view. Despite all the criticism.
However facts, you need to acomplish something for yourself instead of focusing on what others have done with their lives. I am just saying.
Give us a list of what you have done then we will worry about tri-whatever concept.
For “THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE!”
Questions to you…
1. Names your “many pastors” who are complaining about the conduct and attire of Pastor Saul Avila?
2. Were you a witness to what you allege that he was doing while the song service was going on?
Knowing him personally since he comes from our neck of the woods, he is a good speaker, a good song leader and very humble. He is not what you portrayed him to be. You need to get the A.A. toxin out of your head and read what Jesus said about you religious people: “Beware of the scribes, who desire to go around in long robes, love greetings in the marketplaces,” (Mark 12:38).
So what’s the big deal about “dressing up” for church? I agree that it is hardly a burning concern. In fact I care little about what a person wears when attending a church meeting as well. It is what “dressing up” for church represents that is the burning issue.
First, it reflects the false dividing between the secular and the sacred. To think that God cares one way if you wear dressy threads at church to “meet Him” is truly a violation of the New Covenant. We have access to God’s presence at all times and in all circumstances. Does He really expect His people to dress up for a beauty pageant for our church functions, as is the norm in the A.A.?
Second, wearing attractive flashy clothes for church screams out a false message: That church is the place where Christians hide their real selves and “dress them up” to look nice and pretty. Think about it. Wearing your “Sunday best” for church is little more than impression control. It gives the house of God all the elements of a stage show: costumes, make-up, props, lighting, ushers, special music, M.Cs, performance and the featured program.
Wearing our “Sunday best” hides a basic underlying problem. It fosters the inflated illusion that we are somehow “good” because we are dressing up for God. It is a study in pretense that is dehumanizing and constitutes a false witness to the world.
Face it “THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE!”. As humans, we are seldom willing to appear to be what we really are. We almost always rely on our performance or dress to give people a certain impression of what we want them to believe we are. All of this differs markedly from the simplicity that marked the early church.
I highly recommend that you read Eric Schmidt Leigh’s book: Church History, “A Church Going People Is A Dress-Loving People” so that you can get a take on the evolution of attire in church settings.
Lastly, stop judging someone that you really don’t know unless you’ve had a heart to heart conversation with this man whom many people admire and respect. He is admired for many things but amongst them is the position he and the other men took whom your A.A. excommunicated.
I look forward to reading the answers to my two questions?
So. Cal. you are so right about Bro. Avila, he has been a blessing to the bros. here in Texas for many years, we have loved the bro. for what he is and what he stands for, there is a saying, to know me is to love me, and Bro. Avila has surely won the hearts of many, the Lord uses him well, and yes we have to ignore those that try to find something bad to say about him, why? because we know Bro. Avila.
Del atavio del pastor o ministro se trata de la etica ministerial. Nada que ver con ser humilde, lider
de canto o buen predicador.
Pero como vivimos en un mundo donde no hay moral o doctrina de moralidad, todo mundo hace lo que quiere... todo apostolico esta adoptando cualquier viento de doctrina. Nunca en la historia de la AA Inc. se habia visto tanto libertino...como dijo San Pablo: Como libres, y no como teniendo la libertad por cobertura de malicia, sino como siervos de Dios 1Pd.2:16
Porque vosotros, hermanos, a libertad habeis sido llamados; solamente que NO useis la libertad como ocasion a la carne, sino servios por amor los unos a los otros. Ga.5:13
Mas mirad que vuestra libertad NO sea tropezadero a los flacos. 1Co.8:9
Por lo cual, si la comida (vestimenta de Saul Avila) es a mi hermano ocasion de CAER, jamas comere carne (vestir), por NO escandalizar a mi hermano. 1Co.8:13
Cristo dijo: AMAR A TODOS!!!!
a Bro Saul Avila y Daniel Sanchez!!
To “LA Trucha”
Your ministerial ethics point holds no weight because the definition of “ethics” is defined as: the study of standards of conduct and moral judgment; moral philosophy. The main subject from “FOR THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE!” was attire and not conduct, judgment nor philosophy.
I beg to differ to your point of “every apostolic is adopting whatever wind of doctrine…” I am an apostolic and do not claim to grab whatever wind of doctrine. We have spiritual discretion and are instructed to “take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth.” (Jeremiah 15:19). So please do not broad brush every apostolic.
Also, “FOR THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE!” stated that “many pastors were calling…”. The classification is pastors, therefore, you have just said with your reference of I Corinthians 8:9 that these men are weak. If that is the state of these men what can be said of the state of the congregations. What a sad indictment of the position of the ministry if they are complaining because of attire. Then you go on to say that these pastors fall because of attire by your reference of I Corinthians 8:13. We are in a worse shape than what we imagined then. As powerful as someone can be, no one can produce anything on anybody. James says: “But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.” (1:14). Do not pin the weakness or the falling on anybody due to attire, if that is the case we “…are like the chaff which the wind driveth away…” (Psalm 1:4).
To “FOR THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE!” still waiting for the answers to my questions!
A So Cal Dist. Man: En mi escrito nunca dije que Bro. Saul Avila era un hombre debil o flaco en fe. El escrito fue para aquellos que lo son.
San Pablo dice: No mirando cada uno a lo suyo propio, sino cada cual tambien a lo de los otros.
Fil. 2:4
Pero tu y yo sabemos que estamos en un mundo donde a nadie le intereza (lo de los otros). Porque?
La iglesia a optado el pensamiento del mundo; es mi vida y nadie tiene el derecho de decirme nada.
Por esa razon estamos como estamos.
En la educacion estamos mucho mejor...pero en lo espiritual....
Tan necios sois? Habiendo comenzado por el Espiritu, ahora os perfeccionais por la carne? Esto
solo quiero saber de vosotros: Recibisteis el Espiritu por las obras de la ley, o por el oir de la fe? Ga.3:3 y 2
Empero hablamos sabiduria entre perfectos; y sabiduria, no de este siglo, ni de los principes de este siglo, que se deshacen. Y nosotros hemos recibido, no el espiritu del mundo, sino el Espiritu que es de Dios, para que conozcamos lo que Dios nos ha dado. Lo cual tambien hablamos, no con doctas palabras de humana sabiduria, mas con doctrina del Espiritu, acomodando lo espiritual a lo espiritual.
Porque todavia sois carnales; pues habiendo entre vosotros celos, y contiendas, y disensiones, no sois carnales, y andais como hombrres?
1Co.2:6,12,13 y 3:3
To "LA Trucha"...
James 2:1-5: "My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?"
This passage indicates that a person wearing fashionable clothing to the church meeting was the exception not the standard. Through this they were identifying their social status or their lack of that James admonishes them to be careful in their exercise of judgement.
Graydon Synder states that there are about 30 extant letters written by Christians before Constantine. These letters lean towards only one name, which indicates that the Christians did not use the full names of their brethren. The reason: So their social ranks would be hidden from one another." (Archaelogical Evidence of Church Life Before Constantine- Mercer University Press/ Seedsowers)
So Cal Dist. Man; por esta razon para que tanto escandalo del vestir
de Bro. Saul Avila.
Esto es escandalo para otros hermanos en la fe, entonces lo que debe ser Bro. Saul es no vestir de esa ropa o traje por la debilidad de otros. Este es el punto que quiero dar a entender. El hombre sabio con pocas palabras entiende.
???? does anybody knows if the pastor's receive the certify letter
as of today.Remember they had til April 30th to comply with plan of action or el plan de accion.
I heard that 200 - 250 pastor's did not comply with plan.
God Bless Prophet Steve Montenegro for helping Arizona banish athiestic ethnic studies!
Those courses are ripe for placing secular humanistic theories in the heart of our American young people!
It won't be long before Prophet Montenegro makes a law for courses in Apostolic/Pentecostal Studies.
The Oneness Doctrine will become required acamdemic studies!
Glory and honor to the Lord's faithful servant!
Amen!
At first I thought FactsOnly1 was joking, but reviewing MOntenegro's legislative record, I'm beginning to think FO1 actually works in his press office!
I don;t put anything past this guy anymore...
BTW... Oneness Heretic,
Yes, I;'m really Mao Zedong, that's me, incranate. Wow, somehow I rose fro the dead, and rather take back ther Chinese Communist Party, I chose to speak out on a little known religous blog!
You busted me, I guess that means I should stay mute, and not express myself.
I mean, you could counter-argue my statement, or give an opposing view of policy, thougts and ideas, but why? Just declare me inelgiable by making it known that I am the true mao Zedong! LOL....
When you have no valid point or thought, simply silence the opposition! (lol)
Factsonly1 - Hey we thought we lost you - we'll be back to pick you up later. The spaceship will be by around 2pm. Also, dont forget to remind the Tri-Unified prophets about movie night on Friday.
Sec Tec Anatomy
Just imagine what a glorious day it will be when the Oneness doctrine will be taught in public schools!
Prophet Steve Montenegro is elevating the Apostolic Church to places and heights its never been before.
Its only a matter of time before he gets to be nominated to a higher ranking office and the church will move from glory to glory!
You can see all the millions of souls Prophets Jess and Jason Aguilar are winning for the lord as well as Prophet Romo.
I have it from good sources that Prophetess Jaime Aguilar Hernandez will be performing at the Grammys and is booked for George Lopez Live.
She's also opening for Arsenio Hall!
The Lord is moving!!
Amen!
factsonly1
Yes! That is awesome! George Lopez is a great venue for Prophetess Jamie!
I was talking to Steve Montenegro - or as they like to call him back in his home country of El Salvador - "El Guerro", how much he appreciates your voice in here.
Yes, soon they will be teaching Apostolic stuff in schools... as a matter of fact I have here the first draft of what is proposed:
Apostolic Ethics 101: A study in best practices
Apostolic Education 201: A 2 hour course needed for licensing to teach in an AA college
Apostolic Womens Dress 301: New ways to use duct tape and bobby pins. Hair style discussions include "Hair up or down, left or right - A new discourse on hair options for women"
Cant Wait!
Sec(SECULAR) Tec Anatomy
You need to be warned that mocking Gods appointed Prophets has direous penalties.
Mocking the sacred church of the Lord puts you in a dangerous position.
You have been WARNED!
So...
How many neighbors have you had over for dinner in the last 3 months, since I addressed you last?
How many homeless people have you served a cup of coffee to?
How many Bible Studies have you taught?
How many widows yards have you mowed?
How many children have you tutored?
How many young people have you taken out for coffee just to get to know them better?
How much time did you spend at the nursing home?
How many chapters of the Bible did you study, and not just read?
How many miles did you walk around your neighborhood praying for those you have a chance to influence?
How much time did you spend reading the works of Calvin, Luther, Athanasius, and other church fathers?
I'm just wondering?
TO ALL BLOGGERS!!!!
I'm tired of ALL your desrespect for the Tri-unified prophets. Last night I lighted candles and held a vigil to my masters S. Montenegro, J. Aguilar, and A. Romo and prayed to them that you all be punished for your anarchy!
I rebuke you in the name of Romo, Aguilar, and Montengro. May the Tri-unified prophets have mercy on your souls. The endi coming follow these masters of the universe.
And to mr. Josh Bayne. STOP wandering and unite youself to these young prophets.
When was the last time you prayed to them?
How many neighbors have you told about the Tri-unified prophets?
How many homeless people have you told about the Tri-unified prophets?
How many Bible Studies have you taught on the Tri-unified prophets?
How many widows have you taken to the Tri-unified prophets?
How many children have you given to the Tri-unified prophets?
How many young people have you taken to the Tri-unified prophets so they can know them better?
How much time did you spend with the Tri-unified prophets?
How many chapters of the Bible did you study, about the Tri-unified prophets?
How many miles did you walk around your neighborhood praying for the Tri-unified prophets?
just wondering my self?
Factsonly1 - What are you talking about? I love the Tri-Unified Prophets! I have all their latest records and books, plus I subscribe to the monthly newsletter entitled "Nepotism Monthly".
As a matter of fact I have them all on my "5" cell phone plan - PLUS - I send them monthly reports on what goes on in here. SO please do not paint with a broad brush... I'll see you at the the Tri-Unified picnic kick off! Its going to be Tri-riffic!
I heard that 75% of the Flor Azul is for administration(GB)and 25%
is for missions.
Please sister's (DORCAS) don't give to Flor Azul...............
And probably out of that 25% some has to go to the Dorcas board, with probably most of it going to Linda Montez to keep her happy with a fresh supply of donuts.
praise him
TO MY BROTHER JOSH BAYNE
DONT WONDER SO MUCH,
YOU ARE WANDERING TO MUCH ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING...
WHEN YOU WANDER, THE WAY YOU DO
YOU LEAVE ROOM FOR THE DEVIL TO GET IN TO YOUR WONDERING MIND...
AND ITS NOT WHAT WE DID
IS WHAT ARE YOU DOING...
KEEP UP THE APOSTOLIC FAITH
AND YOU WONT FIND YOUR SELF WONDERING SO MUCH...
Como pueden ver los (GB) se quedan con el 75% de la Flor Azul y solo 25% va al campo missionero.
Que lastima que nuestras Dorcas siguen trabajando para este programa. Ellas no saben lo que sucede con el dinero, a ellas solo se les piden trabajan....y manden todo el dinero.............
Hay!!!Hay!!!Hay, pobre de las hermanas dorcas y pobre de mi mama que lucha tanto por servir a este departamento. Para que? Para que la
Mesa Directiva Nacional 75% y el Departamento Femenil Dorcas y los pobres missioneros con el 25%.
Esto es una injusticia!!!!!!!!!!!
I formally ask and that Prophet Republican Representative Steve Montenegro, with the powers that God has annointed him with as a member of the blessed Arizona State Legalsature, that he request the Arizona State Police to attend Apostolic Assembly Church Services in the following sundays to verify the legal status of our members of the Apostolic Assembly Churches in the beautiful and glorious State of Arizona. I ask this so that our tithing rolls will be cleansed of moneys of illegal aliens who have are living a double life as law breaking criminals.
AMEN!!!
Los padres de Steve Montenegro pasaron por Texas o Arizona. Tuvieron asilo politico por la guerra en El Salvador o pasaron de
ilegales o pasaron legalmente atravez de la AA Inc.
Si hay hermanos ilegales en la congregacion de su padre, hermanos no den sus diezmos y ofrendas. NADA!
Hey, Josh Bayne. I was thinking the same thing about you. Just wondering how you made out?
Que paso con las cartas certificadas que la AA Inc. iba enviar a todos los pastores que no cumplian con: cambiar el nombre de la propiedad, P&L, Bank Statements etc. La fecha tope era Abril 30.10
Mi pastor no ha recibido nada. No sabe si esta dentro o fuera de la AA Inc. Esta preocupado....
Where's everybody!!!!
No Blogger's !!!!
Waiting some news !!!!
Well I have good News !!!!
Jesus is Alive !!!!!
New York City here we come !!!!
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