Attached is the link to the Plan of Action and Stewardship sent to Apostolic Assembly pastors both in english and espanol.
For your review....
Click here for: RESOLUCION DE PLAN DE ACCION y MAYORDOMIA
Click here for: Montebello Closing Documents
As noted..."The bank charged for the cost of the loan. Then, the AA Inc,(A Non Profit 501c3 Religeous Organization) added its fees. The AA Inc. is neither registered with the Department of Real Estate nor the Department of Corporations, which allows for charging of fees in a loan".
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Calling all Prophets!
Calling Prophets from the East, Calling all Prophets from the West, Calling all Prophets from the North, calling all Prophets from the South!
I call on all Prophets this weekend to stand and kneel in prayer!
I call on you to face towards the great Califonria Divided Churches that divorced them selves from the Annointed Apostolic Assembly and gave birht to bastarded children churched of the AWA, AAW, AACW and AAIM.
These are illegal illegitaments of the rebels who left their firstr love.
They are home breakers and wreckers that are speading inquinity,
All Prophets, pray and cast a curse on these churches that are not really churches!
AMEN!
Oh and one other thing!
I have prayed and notified the Tri-Unified Prophets descend upon this nation and bring judgement upon these illegal alien loving law breaking backsliders in our beloved AA. They must repent!
God will only accept the illegal alien's repentense when they go back to Mexico. They can live for Christ in Mexico!
God Bless and Prosper Tri-Unified Prophet Congressman Steve Montenegro for doing what he did! I support you divine prophet, and I pray to you evey night. May God place you at the right hand of his throne. And to president Sanchez, he will be uplifted to become the next pope of the world, and the Apostolic Assembly Church the next world church!
Glory and Honor to prophets Romo, Aguilar and Montenegro! I worship the ground you walk on, Amen!
Why would Sanchezze want to be the Pope? He already thinks he is a God!
Factsonly1: Eres fariseo..hipocrita
como te pones a decir tonterias. Me parece que no eres hijo de Dios!
Usas el nombre de tus profetas para echar fuera a satanas... pero satanas no puede echar fuera a satanas.. y ningun nombre de hombre
puede echar fuera al diablo.
My Prophets have let me down! They have all sold out the gospel for money, prestige, career and ego-glory.
Prophet Romo is a failure. Only preaches if the offering is over $1,0000.00
Prophets Aguilar are the same. Money driven and they want to sell cd's and dvd's.
Prophet Montenegro sold out for his career.
Where has the fire of the holy ghost gone? Arent there anyone interested in souls?
The End Times are here. The wrath of God is being displayed everywhere. And all our prophets have sold out.
I QUIT!
Factsonly 1: no pongas tus ojos y tu confianza en los hombres; ponlos
en Jesus !!!
El (Jesus) never quit!!!
So don't quit !!!
You sound like the animal Batista,
I Quit!!! W.E.
Hi bloggers,
any new updates going on with the AA?
I'm going to be visiting some friends in the southern part of Cali and just wanted to be notified on anything which I will be visiting some churches there with friends.
Also, I never got to see what results of Mr. Richard Maffey about the molestation.
Thanks in advance.
ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!
JUST FOUND OUT FROM MY SOURCES IN TEXAS THAT IT IS OFFICIAL THAT JOEL MONTES CHURCH FROM HOUSTON AND ALFREDO HERRERA FROM EDINBURGH, TEXAS ARE OUT OF THE ASSEMBLY SINCE THEY FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE ASSEMBLY DEMANDS. FROM WHAT I HEARD IS THAT THESE TWO CHURCHES WERE SOME OF THE FASTEST GROWING AND BIGGER CHURCHES IN THE ASSEMBLY SO SEEMS THE ASSEMBLY JUST LOST TWO EXEMPLARY CHURCHES IN TEXAS AND THE U.S. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THIS? I ALSO HEARD THAT THE GB SENT A LETTER TO ALL THE PASTORS ABOUT THIS DECISION BUT I HAVENT READ IT. THE GB HUNGER FOR CONTROL AND POWER IS CAUSING THE ASSEMBLY TO FALL APART LITTLE BY LITTLE. THIS IS SO SAD.
Jean, what kind of source are you talking about?
DACIO IM TALKING ABOUT PASTORS FROM THAT REGION AND PEOPLE WHO KNOW HERMANOS IN THESE CHURCHES SO I KNOW THEY ARE VERY RELIABLE...THATS WHY IM ASKING IF SOMEONE CAN CONFIRM THIS SO HOPEFULLY SOMEONE CAN CONFIRM IT. GOD BLESS.
It's old news that Joel Montes church is not in assembly
Joel Montes es un historia antigua,
ellos nunca han estado con la AA.
Benjamin C. Quiroz empezo 1967 o 68
y desde entonce la propiedad nunca ha estado bajo la AA.
Joel Montes fue candidato en el 2006 porque el escribio que el iba
a cambiar la propiedad a la AA,
sabiendo que no lo iba hacer.Pero,
despues pidio el voto a la congregacion si ellos querian cambiar la propiedad al nombre de la AA y ellos (congregacion)dijeron
que no.Por fin se les despidio de la AA.Esto es triste...dos iglesias
aqui en Houston no estan con la AA
J.Montes y W.Mendoza. Por alli hay otros.....
Alfredo Herrera de igual manera.
Lamentablemente es triste lo que ha
pasado... Bro. Montes no forma parte de la AA Inc.
Bro. Montes sigue adelante!!!!
No haz perdido nada!!!!!
perhaps Joel Montes and Alfredo Herrera might join the AWA, lets see if they receive an invitation from AWA. I also heard that perhaps Herrera might want to join the Iglesia de Mexico, but I think that would be like the same old crap. Perhaps both of these pastors should start their own thing in Texas.
Talking about the AWA... I heard that they are having a function this weekend here in our back yard- the San Diego area. Does anybody have information as to where and the time?
AWA Regional Convocation
June 4-5, 2010
Service Will Be At :
One In Christ Church Of
National City
635 E 7th Street & G.
Friday June 4 At 7:00 P.M.
Speaker: Dr. Pastor Luis Garcia
-----------------------------------
Saturday June 5 At 10:00 A.M.
Speaker: Pastor Juan Campos
Lunch: 12:00 P.M. - 1:30 P.M.
General Confrence: 1:30 P.M. - 2:30
AWA Representative: Salvador Mendoza
Healing Service: 2:30 P.M. - 3:30
Speaker: Pastor Marcelio Gonzales
Dinner: 3:30 P.M. - 5:00 P.M.
Service: 5:00 P.M.
Speaker: Baldemar Rodriguez
Contact Bro. Samuel B. Flores
At 619-474-4718 : 858-232-1499
E-Mail: floress23@yahoo.com
At Enrique...
Thank you for the AWA update! Very interesting schedule. I hope to attend. Are you?
Hey Enrique and So Cal Man, I will be attending the AWA function to see Mr.Juan Campos preach. I miss his sermons from when I was a kid. Although I'm visiting my friends from the AA.
@ ?Shane Showtime?
Phenomenal is the only word I can use to describe the Word spoken by Pastor Juan Campos at the AWA Regional function today. I wonder what all the AA peeps have to say here in our area as he was constantly speaking for them here.
What did you think of the event?
You all, it doesn't matter anymore if a church is in the AA or not. That is all ancient history. Everyone has moved on. No big deal, they are shooting themselves in the foot. They are cutting off their own limbs of the body of Christ. Shocking news?? Please, what mysterious revelation has not been uncovered since 2006. THEY STARTED ALL THIS MESS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN IT UP!!!
The Church (The Bride of Christ) will march on. Regardless of what Sanchez or Valverde say or do. Really, think long and hard about it. I really don't pine for the AA. They are running it to the ground. I believe it will bounce back, though, but the prestigiousness that it once enjoyed will be gone forever.
The Apostolic Hey-Day is over. The big conventions with our VIP leaders/preachers and VIP musicians are all gone. Rising to the top are all the little wannabes that never got to do a thing because the big dogs were around. The Michael Jordans are gone, you all. Now they are replaced with mediocre players. It's so sad, really.
Look long and hard at whose left from the preachers and musicians. Just a few to keep it going. The Aguilars are trying their very best and I commend them for trying to keep the fire going. But they can not do it all alone. They are going to burn out quick. It took a lot to put J2X together and when you see the promo YouTube videos, they looked very tired and worn out.
More leaders and preachers need to rise. More GOOD, SKILLFUL musicians need to rise. It's going to be a long time folks before we see anything significant happen. These are dark days for The Aposotlic Assembly in the Faith of Christ Jesus, Inc.
Paz De Cristo! Nunca mas la iglesia
en la cual muchos nacimos o nos creamos sera la misma...
Jamas...aunque sea una nueva GB en Sept.2010 Daniel Sanchez tiene el control de las elecciones ... el es el presidente hasta ese dia!!!!
Y pondra al que el quiere, para cuidar de el!!! No se necesita votar... el puede nombra toda la GB.
Mi consejo es....no ir a la Convencion General y los pastores a
que van.... su voto no es valido, no cuenta. Se acabo queridos!!!!!!!
AA Inc. the Party is over!!!!
Daniel Sanchez is going to select the people he wants on the GB.
Remember after General Covention, he's only a pastor. He needs somebody to take care of him; Arturo Espinoza is his man.
The AA Inc. will never be the same
no matter who runs the corporation.
To many lawsuits!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oí que hay Convencion de la AWA en
Denver, Co. los días 2-5 de Sept.
2010 Labor Day Weekend.
Vamonos a Denver !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anaheim,Ca esta fuera de moda!!!
Los votos de los pastores no cuentan. Pastores para que van a gastar el dinero de sus congregantes;lo poco que les queda.
word is ed mcmahon of wwe fame just bought the apostolic wrestling alliance and a grudge match between baldemar rodriguez and sam valverde is in the works...can anyone confirm?
In 2006 they needed just 2 votes. I bet that the elecetion in Sept., has already been decided,
and on the apostolic wrestling alliance> will Eddie be wrestling as one of the midgets?
I will not be attending the convention this year. I will not waste my money on some rigged up election. Who gives a flip how it turns out. Go ahead and send the diezmo de diezmos. Go ahead with the Flor Azul and the Mano-A-Mano. It all gets pooled into the same funds. It's all going to go to the same pot to be divided among the GB. It's just musical chairs again this year, people. Pastors, don't think that your vote is going to make a difference. Remember, in their eyes they are not going wrong. They won the court battle, they have the court saying the constitution is lacking in many areas and has a lot of swiss cheese holes in it. Evenso, they have a document that will stand up in court so they are free to make the same 2 votes again this time around and get away with it legally. SPEND YOUR MONEY ON YOUR KIDS BECAUSE IT WILL BE THE SAME OUTCOME!!!! Take a trip, see the sights. DON'T BE DISAPPOINTED ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
En el Amor de Cristo!
Los pastores piensan que ellos van hacer la diferencia en esta Convencion Electoral,estan equivocados.
Mis queridos pastores en Cristo, porque no entienden?
Cristo Jesus dijo: viendo no ven!
Enrique: any information on the sept. AWA convention in Denver?
hi
AWA National Youth Convention
September 3-5 2010 Denver Colorado
Denver Renaissance Hotel
3801 Quebec St 720-310-5626
$ 89.00 a night ( breakfast included )
Confirmed Speakers so far :
C.I. Alvarez
Job Jimenez
Sunday Sept 5th Singspiration Concert !
AWA ( General ) National Convention
Will be held on the same days and information will be forthcoming.
There was no way this all would have not happened, if God's people would have been in prayer!
When Efrain Valverde(may he rest in peace) was "ousted" from the AA because he "dared" oppose Nava!!!
All the Valverdes and Pacheco, except for Refugio Valverde, left to The new formed organization, formed by Efrain.
Leaving was, ALSO of course, the father of Sam Valverde..who was brother to Efrain.
It caused the Valverdes and the Pacheco alot of "tears and anguish" because they never dreamed, that they would be "ousted", and through an election, supposely??????
One of the ones that suffered and cried the most was the family of Sam Valverde. Sam was about 14 years of age. And from then on, the Valverde's name was "severely" and "for sure" BLACKED BALLED...
No one fooled with A.C. Nava and got away with it. And Efrain surely did. What he wanted to do was to :control, munipulate, and to do what A. C. Nava had done for over 50 years!!! Rule and control...
So Sammy knew, he reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyy
knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That the only way he could get back into the "rule" and control of the AA was to hold unto Baldemar's coat tails....
So what did SAmmy do....Agreed to marry Raquelito with a "shot gun wedding, demanded by David Contreras, the father of "Raquelito"
and best friend to Nieman Marcus, Macy's and other "selected" shops in La Jolla, by David Contreras, and Baldemar...Suits and all accessories.....EVEN FOR HOMA!!
So the retaliation to "BREAK THE ASSEMBLY AND THE RETALIATION TO "KAPUT" THE AA SCHEMED AND
planned by Sammy came true.
Sam said< "I will make them all pay bitterly for ousting my uncle Efrain, and all my relatives and inlaws." Sam is surely doing that and is winning!!!
REVENGUE!!!!!!! HE MARRIED RAQUELITO AND THIS WAY his father in=law and Baldemar "got Sammy into the National Board and also his cousin Eddie" !!Non of them were ever Bishops nor Elders.!!
So now they changed the constitution that if any pastor is as much as a district secretary etc., it qualifies that pastor to be approved by LA DESCALIFICADORA FOR THE MESA DIRECTIVA....
WHAT A JOKE ON ALL OF US!!!
DESPIERTEN PASTORES!!
Alot of people blame Sanchez for all this mess...True, but as much as Sanchez is evil..and black balls., he is not as "SHURED",
as the vengenful as Sammy!!
Sammy has alot of "bitternes" and anger. He "swore" he would destroy the AA to the end that "HE WOULD BE PRESIDENT" AND RULE, OR OUT PASTORS..
Sammy will surely be the next President of the AA.
That is why Sammy planned the convention in the middle of the school year, when only a few Pastors will attend.
And so what...................if only 20 Pastors attend?
The CID, planned by Martin Del Campo, will surely do the same fraud elections.
It will be Sammy president, vice president Pacheco, and the rest the same...
The other 6 have too much on SAmmy and Pacheco to be disqualified!
And surely Aguilar with the misappropriation of funds that he gives to the General Board and to his sons, with the monies of grants that he gets, through the
"shemes of Ariel Meza, who sells himself to the guy that writes the grants.
So Pastors you do not have a chance in the World.
The convention was set up here in California, so that Pastors, from the North, South and East and Northern states cannot attend because of the distance, neither by car or by plane!
Valverde does not have any consideration for the Pastors to travel thousand of miles to California.
All the Mesa directiva live in Cali, so what Artie can fly. they get plenty of moneyyyyyyyyyyyyy
from $10,000.00 per month each, plus their church tithes!
May the Lord have mercy!
I hate to be in their shoes, with the vengenous from God.
"horrenda cosa es caller en las manos del Dios vivo!!!
They are all ready paying it with their kids.
And all the printing for the convention is being done by SAm's son. That is why Sam "sold" the AA's printing equipment, together with Martin Del Campo.
Scammers!!!!
Cuando Efrain Valverde fue "hechado
fuera: de la
Asamblea, porque se "oposo" contra A. C. Nava. Porque Efrain, Dios lo tenga en paz, queira mandar , munipular y controlar como A. C. Nava por mas de 50 anos!!!
Eso tambien hizo Adan Lopez de Union city, para subrir y robarse el terreno de Union City de otro Pastor, por casarse con la hija de A. C. Nava!!!
Todos los Valverdes, excepto el hermano Cuco Valverde, Dios lo tenga en paz, siguieron a Efrain.
Todos los Pachecos y Contreras.
Samuel Valverde tenia como 14 anos de edad. Samuel pudo ver los llantos de su familia, cuando quedaron "fuera" de la Asamblea.
NUNCA SE LE OLVIDO ESTO A SAMUEL VALVERDE. Estubieron fuera como 10 anos.
Porque con A. C. Nava no se jugaba!!!
Como ahora no se juguea con Samuel ni con Sanchez....Los usa los mismos demonios!!
Pero SAmuel "juro" que la Asamblea apostolica lo hiba a pagar..por lo que le hicieron a Efrain su tio y a todos los Valverderes y Pachecos...
Y muy muy bien lo hiba a pagar. lo que le hicieron a su tio y familia!!!!
Al fin regresaron,los Valverderdes y Pachecos y Contereas, cuando Balemar subio a la Presidencia.
Porque Baldemar y David Contreras eran
in separables.
Tanto \que no salian de las tiendas de la Jolla aqui en California en las tiendas mas costosas!!!y de mas lujo!!
Pero Sammy supo como hacerle.
Se caso que la hija de David Contreras, muy amigo de Baldemar, y subio Sammy hasta la Mesa Directiva, y su primo Eddie Pacheco, aun sin nunca haber sido
ancianos y Obispos!!!!
Estos son las munipiliations que han hecho por anos.....
Y Samuel Valverde sabe el juego muy bien!!!!!!!!
Aun ha estar miseraable mente casado con Raquel Conteras, y todo por tener el control y muniipulacion de los Pastores, iglesias y dineros!!!!
Dios tenga misericoria.
Dice Samuel Valverde y Daniel y Pacheco...
"Que importa que no vengan Pastores a la convencion tan lejos aqui ha California, desde Michigan, N.Y. Colorado, Kansas,
Tejas, N>M. etc., al cabo que si
nomas vienen pocos Pastores tendremos la eleccion, con la ayuda de CID y la Descalificadora...Y Martin del Campo..
TAMBIEN DICEN "Y con los dineros que nos da Abel Aguilar, de "los grants" que recibi para la iglesia de Santa Ana en esa communidad...,
Al cabo que su cunado Ariel Meza que se "vende" con el que les escribi los "grants", tiene mucho dinero para "darles "mordidas" a Sanchez, Valverde, Maffey y Pacheco.", y QUE siga la 'YUNTA ANDANDO'!!!
Y dicen..... "ganaremos otra vez, y seguimos,
"URSAPANDO" a los Pastores, las iglesias, distritos,
al cabo que tenemos bien compradas a Santa Leon y a la Georgina, y a la Francisca con la Flor AZul!!!
Asi que importa!!!!
La eleccion es fraud, pero continunaremos, dicen ellos, "en poder".
"Al cabo, DICEN, que ganamos $10,000.00 por mes "EXPLOTANDO" iglesias como al frente de cuenta banquera, como el Pastor vendido de El Siloe, Union City, National City, y muchas mas.
NO HAY CONSIDERACION HACIA LOS PASTORES DE ESTADOS LEJANOS...
NO IMPORTA QUE VENGAN, O NO VENGAN..
POR ESO HICIERON LA CONVENCION EN MIEDO DE EL ANO ESCOLAR. PARA QUE NO VENGAN LAS ESPOSAS.,,
QUE IMPORTA QUE ESTE COSTOSO O LEGOS AQUI A CALIFORNIA....
QUE MANDEN EL DINERO Y ES TODO LO QUE QUEREMOS....
DICE MAFFEY, EL CHINO!!!
Y AGUILAR EL ENAMORADO DE SANDI DE SAN JOSE!!
POBRE ESPOSA QUE VOLTELLA LA CARA.
TODO LE "TAPA"...
QUE DIOS LOS "ENTREGE" Y LOS SAQUE....FUERA!!!
Seria muy bueno poner en lista todos los Pastores que ustedes conocen que "estan" vendidos!!!
a LA MESA DIRECTIVA!!!
1. Misael Zaragosa, Lucio Leon, Brijido Leon, Abel Jimenez, Elias Duarte, Rojas, Glendale, Arizona;
Phil Saenz, Lugo, obispo, Inerior, Cali., Almaraz, Arlington, California; Adan Lopez, Union City,
Cuales saben ustedes?
Nosotros les dimos (10)...
List the Pastors that "YOU" know
that "are sold out" to the GB.
We gave you "ten" you list "ten"
etc.,
The Washington Post has an op-ed about the Apostolic Assembly. Too bad, the story is about the MOP VP support the AZ immigration law.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/patheos/2010/06/suffer_the_little_children.html#more
erhaps it is ironic then, that one of the persons responsible for the rise of the HB1070 Boogeyman is Rep. Steve Montenegro of Arizona. Representative Montenegro is also Reverend Montenegro, vice president of Youth Ministries for the Apostolic Assembly, a Latino Pentecostal Denomination with many churches along the border states of Arizona, California, and Texas. Rep. Montenegro, the only Latino to sign the bill and also the sponsor for the recently passed bill HB2281, is a youth pastor who may find himself in the unenviable position of both preaching to youth about Christ's love, yet supporting a system that will tear the children of his church apart from their families. I wonder if Rep. Montenegro will have any youth to minister to, given that a sizable number of members of the Apostolic Assembly are immigrants and migrants from Mexico. One hopes the denomination's youth convention won't turn into a deportation meeting.
One more to the list:
Bishop Hoyer perhaps is the biggest brown noser and wannabe board member.
Walks around with his nose so far up in the air I wonder how he can breath.
Y no se les olvide Frank Romo Sr. y
el otro vendido de Juan Fortino.
Y que del Dr. Marco Antonio Zacarias
Obispo Juan Moreno Jr. El Siloe aqui en Houston. Hay Dios mio.....
Frankie Balboa de Austin.
Well said Ching Chun!
Why don't you awke up and give us all the names of the Pastores que se han vendido (or as you say, 'brown nosers'!!
What ever happened to Mr.Richard Muffey?
Richard Molester Maffey will probably be elected to the General Board in Sept.
@HardcoreAA;
So does that mean that Mr.Maffey was found Not Guilty for the molestation charges?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1996064,00.html?xid=huffpo-direct
This is how the begin to deport and strip us of our rights.. one at atime.. dibide and conquer...
You are insane if you think they will ever be satisfied....
Lo que importa es la Convencion General,solo 90 dias para la Convencion General Electoral.
Ricardo Maffey es historia....
Rev. Maffey has plead NOT GUILTY to all charges filed against him.
So much for having a speedy trial to prove your innocense.
Look up the Criminal Complaint. I happen to think the Orange County District Attorney has rock solid evidence against him.
Only time will tell.
Rev. Maffey has a hearing later this month.
To date, the Apostolic Assembly HQ and Leadership have been publically SILENT to these charges against its minister.
Also, they have been silent as to what actions, if any, that have been taken to against its licensed ministers that have been convicted of Child Molestation and Sexual Battery.
whats gonna take for the assembly GB to realize that they are doing more harm than good to the body of Christ by excommunicating pastors and whole congregations? what else do they want? why so much emphasis on the properties and ofrendas? Do they know how the church started? how the church was formed? enough of this, someone needs to bring a radical change to our Constitution and bring a new fresh start, because is not fair for those that were born in this church, and whose past generations dedicated their lives to this amada iglesia. As an apostolic im hurt to see all this mess, and thats why I refuse to leave the organization, is not fair for all of us who truly care for this church. The Apostolic Assembly belongs to the Lord, not to the GB stooges.
They won't do anything to Maffey....They won't give him a GB position I'm sorry if you're reading this Richard. But I looked up to you...i don't know how guilty you are but i do know this...Sister jean...I have no problem with the fact that we left the assembly...the organization does NOT belong to God.
The organization belongs to its members wether they have any rights or say in it...the MEMBERS belong to GOD..but not the system.
And before you tell me that the AAFCJ DOES belong to God..let me state that my wife was sexually molested be a pastor who still has his license in the AAFCJ only they retired him...they didn't sit him down...they didn't go to the police...they just retired him as pastor...and he might be preaching at your church soon..since he used to be an evangelist..and that's kind of what they use him as.
I mean use him as
Oyes Trucha, de donde eres?
Que pastores de Texas estan vendidos a las mesa directiva?
Regarding Mr.Maffey, is there any reliable links to his court issue?
Quien dijo que en Texas hay pastores vendidos, dije Juan Fortino. Y no me preguntes porque, todos saben la historia desde el principio que empezo todo este escandalo...
Donde soy? Northside
Perdon...no lo dije yo.
Lo dijo La Verdad, de los vendidos!
Y trucha...eres una trucha bien hecha.
Si yo dije que Fortino es un vendido, porque no ayudo a los que demandaron a la AA. Siendo que presidente Sanchez tambien le hizo una movida en las elecciones del 2006.
He dicho y caso cerrado!
Sancheezzz and the GB are requesting that all the Pastors Pray and Fast for the Elections.
Not for the results, they know those already, but for them to get away with it again.
Two vote Eddie won't even need two votes this year.
Who cares. Nobody won and they both were wrong.
What I really find funny is how the Plantiffs swear they were so right. Really, both parties failed the people of God. Does anyone believe this anymore?
Heard that Sancheezze confessed at a Pastor's meeting to the election fraud. Anyone know the truth to this, and if it is? ANd if it is true, what is he trying to pull?
after four years?
Sanchez has a special place in hell waiting for him for the mockery of God he has done.
He's "confessed" to several people behind closed doors. I remember how a certain man of God told me about it before his passing away and I was trying to tell Bishop Joe Prado about it and he wouldn't even let me speak..he kept sayng that man is a prophet and so on a so on...and I said I'm glad you agree with me because he told me that Sanchez was a fraud
New Life Center Church in Houston is OFFICIALLY no longer part of the Apostolic Assembly. This was made official at a corporate meeting held on June 16.
Good luck to the rest of you with the September 2010 "Elections". You are going to need it. I wonder what song will be used while the GB Members play musical chairs? How about "Hit The Road Jack" to all the "candidates" that will take a dive for the team while Sanchez & Co. vote themselves in with only two votes.
All they do is have their banquets and more banquets. Just this Sat. they had one for the King Hoyer, for the bang up job he is doing.
Fue como de costumbre en la Iglesia New Life el domingo.
Nadie protestó fuera de la iglesia. Las puertas de la iglesia no estaban encadenados. Nadie gritó: "Si Se Puede." No había cámaras de vídeo para grabar la salida de nuestro Pastor. Por cierto, nuestro pastor se quedó con nosotros - nadie lo echó! Nadie marcharon por el barrio con un megáfono. Nuestro Pastor no tenía por qué andar con un guardia de seguridad. La propiedad de la iglesia todavía nos pertenece. Mantenemos las llaves de la iglesia!
La visión y misión de nuestra iglesia se mantendrá en paz. Somos parte de una nueva organización que plenamente nos acepta. Esto significa que mantenemos nuestra cobertura espiritual. Tuvimos un maravilloso día del padre. Tuvimos un servicio de la iglesia y luego nos fuimos todos al parque a comer y jugar.
Sí, fue como de costumbre en la Iglesia New Life. Como siempre lo ha sido. Ven a ver lo que te pierdes!
Dacio,
Cuando dices que Officialmente estan fuera de la AA, se te olvidó decir que nunca han estado en la AA porque la propiedad siempre ha estado a otro nombre que no es el de la AA. Como se le llama a eso? Será rebelión? Sanchez sabía eso pero de todas maneras dejó correr a Montes en las elecciones. Sanchez le jugó el dedo a todos en la boca. Lo negó, pero ahora que corrió a Montes todo mundo se ha dado cuento del juego de Sanchez. Con correrlo quiere parchar su legado. Cual legado! Sanchez es un salaje! Aun los que lo han apoyado saben eso ahora! Se hicieron los tontos, pero ellos saben bien que clase de hombre tan cruel es Sanchez. Ese es su legado! Que hombre tan vil! Quizas ni en el infierno lo quieran.
ummm.. "I told you so"...
should be my reaction...
but somewhow i was treated as a heretic when I said NLC was leaving months ago...
Hey, nucna han estado con la AA,Quiroz juego mucho tiempo con este asunto de la propiedad y Joel de la misma manera.Gracias que por fin alguien tuvo el valor de poner un hasta aqui a NLC INC.
Y todavia falta que Sanchez ponga una demanda a Quiroz Y Montes por firmar un documento que ellos era
Corporate Officer de la AA vean el
EXHIBIT#6c Mayo 12,1992
Haber porque Joel Montes prometio
cambiar la propiedad en Nov.15 2006
hay una carta a GB y fue candidato en 6 ocaciones y PERDIO!!!!!
Y esto lo hizo sin contar con ustedes miembros de NLC y luego hace una reunion con ustdes haber si de etan acuerdo en no cambiar la propiedad!!! y para acabar de molar invintan a Bro. Kilgore para hacer unas aclaraciones...lo que pasa con NLC es que no tiene pena (verguenza),Joel ha vasilado o juegado con ustedes. Por esta razon estan FUERA de la AA Inc.
Right about now, Joel Montes is like the house fly wiping its eyes with its legs who has landed on "caca" in English.
Estoy de acuerdo contigo. El nombre de la iglesia siempre ha sido New Life Center, Inc. Nuestra iglesia nunca ha estado en el nombre de la Asamblea. Y nunca lo será. Es mejor ser insubordinados a la GB y leal a Dios.
Sí, Sánchez sabía que no estaban bajo el nombre de la Asamblea. Pero usted ve, en aquel entonces todo el mundo estaba feliz e inocente y la Asamblea estaba en armonía y casi todo el mundo hizo la vista gorda. Pero cuando las cosas no salen según lo planeado, entonces todo el mundo quería ver todo de otra manera. Lo que está en el pasado y ya no importa. Puede ser que importa para ti, pero no para nosotros.
Me siento más que pena y lástima por usted. El resto de ustedes se quedan atrás para hacer frente a Sánchez. El resto de nosotros hemos pasado a cosas más grandes y mejores.
Trucha, se divierten en las elecciones. Espero que tengan la oportunidad de aplaudir sus manos victoriosamente. Sí, claro.
El Pasado????? si apenas tiene una semana!!! y quieres borrar todo el pasado en una semana? Por favor!!
Recuerda que quedo en la historia de la AA Inc. todo lo que hizo tu pastor y no lo puedes borrar de la historia. ES HISTORIA!!!!!!!!
Dime que cosas mas grandes y mejores? Si estan solos!!!!!!
Tu pastor no esta acostumbrado ha estar solo, recuerda que el salia 2
veces al mes fuera de la iglesia, y ustedes no; ustedes nunca convivan con el East Texas Dist. solo unos cuantos....siempre han estado solos!!!! Me puede tu pastor
y estoy orando por el y su familia.
To Dacio Vega:
Estoy con "La Trucha" siempre NLC estaban solos. Siempre mandaban a Ricky Cruz para representar a los varones y a Hno. Martinez para representar la iglesia a los eventos sectorales y dstritales. Solamente Ricky Cruz y Hno. Martinez estaban el las actividades del sector y distrito.
Fuera un milagro si Linda Montes estaba en un culto distrital o Joel a una actividad del sector o distrito. Era raro ver a los varones, jovenes, dorcas de NLC en una actividad distrital.
Pero cuando NLC tenian una actividad juvenil local quieran que todo el distrito apoyara esa actividad, pero Montes nunca dejo que sus jovenes activara en otras iglesias del distrito a menos que Montes estuviera de acuerdo.
Montes nunca convivia con el distritio y ahora quiere convivir?
Linda Montes if she showed up somewhere was just to peddle off her cyber wize scam products.
Joel Montes every where he went wanted the red carpet rolled out for him.
@La Trucha - Sí, el pasado. Una semana ha pasado. Semana número dos viene justo detrás de semana el número uno. La Trucha, que viene después del número dos? Ahí lo tienes! Semana número tres! ¿No es asombroso el proceso de numeración? Supongo que cuando usted lo suma, y pasa todas las semanas, con el tiempo se convertirán en meses y meses convertido en años. Y después de un tiempo, incluso este blog se convertirá en obsoleto y también lo harán sus palabras y, ¿sabes qué? Todo va a estar en el pasado, le guste o no. El tiempo va a pasar, nos guste o no. Entonces todo será en el pasado. Además, tengo la sensación de un poco de celos en su tono. Usted se preocupa demasiado con cada mensaje. Hmm, ¿por qué es eso? Bueno, no importa.
Entonces usted ha mencionado todo lo que nuestro pastor hizo? Es una gran cosa que podamos ir a un Dios amoroso y misericordioso con nuestros pecados. Él estará más que feliz para perdonar nuestros pecados y los arrojó a la medida de profundidad en el océano y que nunca será hallada. Se llama la oración y el perdón, tal vez debería intentarlo alguna vez. El único que nos recuerda nuestros pecados y nuestro pasado es Satanás mismo, ¡oh y por usted también! Bueno, menos mal que no hay pecado en ti o usted tendría que pedir perdón también. Tienes suerte de esa manera.
Y usted ha mencionado que nunca nos vamos a los servicios del distrito? Bueno, si usted es alguna indicación del tipo de personas que asisten a estos servicios, entonces no es de extrañar que se mantuvieron alejados en tropel. ¿Quién quiere a adorar al lado de la gente como usted? Sí, es una grande y una cosa mejor estar lejos de ti. Cuando más nos alejamos de ti, más grandes y mejores cosas podemos hacer sin ti.
Usted dice que nuestro pastor está solo? Ah, y tu serías el tipo de persona que necesita para hacerle compañía? Por favor, nunca serías la persona que él se inclinaba como un amigo.
Y quien desea tener amigos como tu
y tu pastor. Gracias que tu pastor no me necesita ni yo lo necesito a el...menos que sea mi pastor.
Dios nos va a juzgar a todos por las cosas que hacemos sean mal o buenas. Recuerda a TODOS!!!!!!
Bueno, la razón de que nunca te vas a congregar con nosotros es porque nunca te dejemos hacerlo. Tu nunca tiene que preocuparse si tu podría incluso estar con nosotros. Así que en cierto sentido, nunca se podría saber si tu podría ser el tipo de persona a unirse a nuestra iglesia. Usted ni siquiera va tener la oportunidad honrosa de hacerlo. No se preocupe. No la quiermos cerca. Me alegro de que estemos de acuerdo en esa parte.
Y como usted ha dicho con razón, Dios es el que va a juzgar a todos. Lo bueno es que tu no serás la que nos juzgue, si fueras tu, todos estaríamos en el infierno. Nadie nos dijo que eras la siguiente en asumir el trabajo de Jesús! Nadie nos dijo.
Vaya, tu nos recuerdas de nuestros pecados más que Satanás lo hace. Eso es grande de querer ser Satanás y Jesús, al mismo tiempo. Tal vez debería haber sido un sacerdote católico. Buena suerte.
A La Llorona: Cuando NLC tiene una actividad, todo el mundo va. Cuando tuvimos nuestro Programa de Navidad, el mundo entero se presentó! Usted debería haber estado allí, que estaba lleno! No teníamos para armar a nadie toque a estar allí. Es bien sabido que cuando vas a un evento de NLC, que van a escuchar la calidad en su mejor! Creo que no nos para obligar a nadie a estar allí. Es porque echan de menos todo eso en su propia iglesia. Hubo incluso la juventud de sus iglesias de que dicen que nos odian!
Ah, y nunca Montes dice que los jóvenes no acuden a los servicios del distrito. Ellos lo tienen todo y más en su propia iglesia. ¿Por qué iban a querer ir a una iglesia que tiene sólo 10 o 15 miembros de la juventud. Es por eso que los jóvenes de las iglesias pequeñas van a nuestra iglesia cuando pueden. Tal vez tú tienes la culpa por no tener una iglesia grande. Usted debe tratar de hacer lo que hacemos y tal vez usted tendrá éxito.
Es la primera vez que entro a este blog para opinar. No busco, ni quiero pleito con nadie.
De vez en cuando he leido la informacion que aqui se pone...este blog empezo muy bien, pero lamentablemente perdio el proposito y tambien la direccion.
Me gustaba mucho mas cuando empezo, que ahora.
Sobre los mas recientes comentarios que se han publicado...lo unico que me gustaria comentar, si me lo permiten, bueno, mas bien es una pregunta. Realmente creen ustedes que cuando estemos delante del Gran Trono Blanco, el Señor nos pregunte cual distrito fue mejor apoyado?...cuales miembros fueron mejor vistos en cultos y convenciones?...NO, hermanos. Ademas, no hay necesidad de defendernos nosotros mismos, Dios es nuestro defensor...me ha defendido muchas veces de muchas personas. Tenemos que madurar en el Señor. El Señor nos va a preguntar...a cuantas personas les hablaste de mi amor?...porque no ejercites el ministerio que te di?..porque perdiste la vision espiritual que yo te di?...a cuantos enfermos visitaste?...etc.
Yo propongo que en vez de tanto pleito y desaveniencia, mejor compartamos las grandezas que Dios ha hecho para con nosotros. Que les parece, hermanos?
Dios les bendiga a cada uno de ustedes.
otro "santucho" en el blog...
Amen..! La Palabra de Dios nos llama "Santos".
Te invito a que la leas mas seguido, y tambien te invito a que la pongas por obra.
Veras como Dios traera paz a tu corazon. Recuerda: "Sin la paz y la santidad, NADIE vera al Señor", tambien esto lo encuentras en la Palabra de Dios.
(Dios te bendiga)
Y al igual que un predicador apostólico bueno, no pasó mucho tiempo para tu verdadero yo de ser revelada. Eso fue rápido. Usted comenzó como un cordero inocente y ahora se convirtió en un verdadero fuego apostólico predicador escupir a todo el mundo. Muy santo.
para el hermano que defiende a capa y espada al pastor montes creo que es muy claro que la congregacion de el nomas por ser un iglesia grande se sentia superior a las otras iglesias pequenas que no tienen tantos miembros. No tiene nada que ver el hecho que sea un iglesia grande de que sirve si nomas se dedican a robar a los hermanos con sus eventos que son copiados de las congregaciones que practican el modelo G-12 que no es basado en la biblia. Han adulterado el evangelio y ahora solo predican de la autoestima y el ser el mejor de los mejores y luego animan a los hermanos a sentirse "reyes" y "princesas" exaltando nomas el ego de las personas y no dar la honra y gloria al Senor que nos lavo con su sangre preciosa. Que tristeza que muchas iglesias incluso de la asamblea apostolica han adoptado estas practicas antibiblicas y creadas por hombres y solo por dinero y querer tener mega iglesias. Que el Senor tenga misericordia de nosotros hasta donde hemos llegado.
Yes it is so true about the G 12 groups.
After cancelling Thursday evening service for share groups and didn't work out.
Pastor cancelled everything. Then after a while he cancelled Tuesday prayer to try groups again. Didn't work out again.
So we are down to just one worship service a week on Sunday and Pastor wonders why everybody has left.
I even went for help from Bishop Hoyer, but he could care less. Turned it around and blamed us for all the problems.
truth for once i heard from other hermanos in other churches that pastors have even cancelled escuela dominical, special songs, and other activities con la excusa de que eso no entra en el nuevo plan y que es perdida de tiempo. Me da mucho coraje de que andamos copiando tacticas y estrategias de hombres como Cash Luna y el colombiano apostata de Cesar Castellanos que solamente ha traido destruccion y confusion a iglesias sanas. La razon que la asamblea esta como esta es parte por esto por permitir estas influencias que no son biblicas y han confundido y divido al cuerpo de Cristo. Ojala algun dia volvamos otra vez a nuestro primero amor y volvamos a retomar lo que Satanas nos has quitado.
to all the Datan's, Core, and Avirams
out there, thank God for the Santuchos that are still holding tight to the true Word of God, in spirit and in truth. Deceit only lasts 'til truth is revealed. We are living in troubled and challenging times, but God's Word is still a beacon for our guidance and strength, for Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Amen Cal-Tex.
I haven't been to church for other reasons but obviously whoeer told you about Bishop Torres' church being empty has't been. And for you to have posted it, neither have you.
texano
I have'nt been to Bro. Torres's church, but I also have'nt posted on his or any other pastors church. If you would take time to see those who have posted comments you'll see that last nights was my first posting, and was intended to corroborate what
DefendidaxDios commented.
Todo el Mundo fue a NLC... NLC solo
tiene lugar para 350-400 personas y todo el MUNDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! y deben un million de dolares...para
350-400 personas. Not Good!
Sorry Cal-Tex...I was amening your comment and the rest of my post was for the cowardly roman citizen who deleted his posts
Dacio Vega ya no le eches leña al fuego, deja de a los hermanos de NLC fuera de tus comentarios y al pastor Montes. Habla o escribe por ti mismo.. no hay necesidad de vergonzar a toda la iglesia local y
menos al pastor Montes y familia.
Nuestra iglesia va a continuar. La misión de nuestra iglesia va a continuar. Si yo estaba fuera de lugar es porque el murmullo fue suficiente de La Trucha. Lo siento, pero no puedes quitarle nada a la buena gente de NLC. Cualquier cosa que ustedes están representando a ser simplemente no es verdad. Cada iglesia, grande o pequeño, está marchando hacia adelante por Jesús, ya sea por parte de AA o no. No importa lo que usted es de la organización. Cuando una iglesia se ha reconocido por mucho tiempo como un modelo de iglesia, ya sea en el AA o no, usted no puede tomar distancia de esa iglesia, reprendiendo palabras o no.
Todo esto es realmente la murmuración infantil, y me estoy incluyendo en él - en el mejor de todo esto es entretenimiento chismes. Nadie quiere perjudicar a ninguna iglesia. Nadie quiere ver a su hermano o hermana caída.
Es muy triste la forma en que los dirigentes de los AA han manejado todo. Hay relaciones comerciales son muy cuestionables. El proceso electoral es muy cuestionable. Han causado una dispersión en la iglesia que está más allá de reparación.
Nuestros padres fundadores están furiosos! La GB ha hecho una burla de la misión. Han arrancado la inocencia de una nueva generación. No se puede confiar. En mi humilde opinión, tienen que deshacerse de todos los líderes actuales y empezar de nuevo. Después, tienen la oportunidad de repararse.
Fue genial ver a todos en las convenciones en armonía. Eso se ha ido. Los recuerdos de lo que fue es sólo eso - una memoria. Ellos han obligado a una nueva era en el AA.
Sigamos orando por la misión de la Iglesia. Eso es lo único que importa.
I have a ?
Why are our pastors and ministers and some lay people taking theology studies from trinitarians. Especially Fuller theological seminary. Has anybody taken the time to research them. There is a sight called Filling The Blanks With,
Fuller Theological Seminary. Try
watch.pair.com/fuller.html or just google Fuller theological seminary.
Dacio Vega; caro que la iglesia va
seguir adelante fuera de la AA Inc.
o AWA y Locally Incorporated.
Tuvimos un gran culto Juvenil Dist.
en la 1ra de Houston y andaban algunos jovenes de tu NLC Inc.; pues no dijeste que ustedes no necesitaban ir a los eventos del dist.Porque ustedes tenian mas jovenes que cualquiere iglesia del Dist. Este de Texas. Que Paso!!!
Ya ves algunos jovenes de tu iglesia si aprecian ir a nuestros
eventos!! Porque hace falta la fraternidad entre los hermanos.
Pense que el angel era de NLC.
Oye sin no tienes necesidad de nada
mejor cambia el nombre de NLC a Laodicea; porque esa iglesia no tenia necesidad de nada. Es lo que tu dices!! Todos tenemos necesidad de Dios y de una persona o personas
en este mundo o vida. You never know.
Es cierto de la verdad que fueron
jovenes de NLC al culto de jovenes
este pasado sabado! Pues no que no.
La Trucha you are from the first church??? LOL!!!1 didnt they kick your pstor out? ?
I heard Pastor Polanco's Church in Stockton is doing great!
Stockton #3
"La Roca APOSTOLIC Church"! God always comes through!!!
FYI The Infamous Rick "Shower Boy" Ramirez is supposedly "Ministering" in Stockton with Bishop Mendoza.
Hey, as long as they are 18 years old or older...lol
Just dont pull a Maffey!!
Viva Don Omar!!
No Escobar; no pertenesco a AA Inc.
o a ningun movimiento del nombre...
Todo lo he leido en este blog... en
2006 Election Irregularity Related
Documents alli esta todo este escandalo.Pero tengo amigos y amigas que son de la AA Inc.
hay trucha did yuor amigas tell you how they half to sale tameles n boritos so to make the 11000. month church pay . my tias talk abou that and laugh and laugh!!1! the way you made is sound like you went there to the church so prolly you dont know an we used to go to
Sorry no tenemos mortgage pmt...
nuestro templo is paid n full. No vendemos tamales ni burritos como ustedes los apostolicos....es todo lo saben hacer...menos ganar almas!
QUE DE VERDAD HAY DE UN HERMANO DE PALMDALE, CA BROTHER SOLIS WHO APPARENTLY HAD AN AFFAIR WITH A YOUNGER DONCELLA? THERE ARE TOO MANY VERSIONS SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT IT WAS HIS WIFE QUE LE PUSO EL CUERNO CON OTRO HERMANITO... ANYONE CAN CONFIRM THIS... I HEARD THAT THIS BROTHER SOLIS HE STILL PREACHES BUT IM NOT SURE IF HE STILL WITH THE ASSEMBLY...IF HE IS AND HE CHEATED ON HIS WIFE I GUESS HE HAS NO REMORSE Y NO TIENE VERGUENZA, BUT NOWADAYS SON LAS HERMANAS QUE ANDAN DE CACHONDAS YA NO ME SOPRENDERIA QUE LA HERMANA FUE LA QUE ANDABA CON EL PARCHE CALIENTE.
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ChairMan MAO:
First and foremost I hope that you are not Daniel Sarmiento trying to attack Steve Montenegro for properly representing the citizens of Arizona. I understand that you have a job working with "Latino Youth" but I hope that you are not stoog for one of the Latin America communist countries. If indeed you are Daniel Sarmmento, my request for you is to stop being the coward you are and go over to Mexico and protest against their government for not creating opportunities for their citizens and outsourcing all their welfare and undeducated flunkies over to our social and educational system. Steve Montenegro comes from a family that came to the U.S.A legally, but I would like to ask Chairman MAO/ Daniel Sarmiento if your family came over legally? Seems, every immigrant that follows the law, thinks that Mexican illegal immigrants should be deported. By the way you keep attacking Steve Montenegro, I am wondering if you or your family are here illegally. Are you an Anchor Baby?
Pray for the Murrillo family, tonight in Fresno they will be having a funeral for Waldo Murrillo who just passed.
GBY
This past week we buried my cousin which is the son of Robert Ramirez Sr. from Oxnard, California and even after all the time that my uncle and father spent with the assembly leaders they repaid the family by not showing up. It goes to show you the mindset of the AA leaders of today, I realize that many will say things that are hearsay and in defense of these men I am sure that some of what have heard may be a 'stretch of the truth' however, I can only make a judgement of what I know, and what I know is that these men have once again displayed ungratefulness so here it goes, Dan Sanchez you should at least feel 'something' for not making the effort to be at the funeral even after all that my father and uncle did for you as a young minister, do you recall that you told my father that once they were gone that you would continue in their footsteps, you my brother can never continue where they left off and I guess by all that you have shown, you never will. Where were you Abel Aguilar? do you remember how the people went against you? and who stood by your side? guess who?.... Robert and Thomas Ramirez.
Dear readers, this list can continue but I will stop for now. But I do want to share with you one thing, we all know that one day we will leave this earth either by death or when Christ comes for his church, however in the meantime, if we 'leave' by death then how will people remember you? did you help others? did you make an impact to others?, did you take time out to pray and visit with others? did you invest in the body of Christ to bring healing to someone's life? Because either people will be happy to see you go or they will speak great things about your life and what you invested in the life's of others. We only have one chance to do this.
I do want to state one more thought about the funeral service, we are thankful for Bishop Torres, (that is a close friend of the family) for taking the time and expense to fly out here to be with the us during this time, I heard great comments from family members that are not even in church that were inpressed by his words and spirit, not my words by theirs.
Thank you Sal Mendoza for taking the time to fly here to be with the family.
I know that I will be labeled as an angry person, but you have your right to call me what you want but at the end of the day you can 'spin' it any which way you want but the truth is the truth.
Thanks for reading,
N. Ramirez
This is not just about the AA leadership board.
Bishops and Pastors don't care about the flock entrusted to them
My father was in the hospital for over 6 months and just once did the Pastor show up during the first week. Because of his health problems he has not been able to attend church for over an year after he was released from the hosptal. Not once has the Pastor showed up to pray or encourage him even a phone.
Another Old member that has been a member of the church for over 60 years has been in the hospital and rest home for over eight months, well you guessed it no visits from the Pastor, but he sured like receiving the tithes and offering from them.
He sure has time to go the the Elders Banquet and Bishop Hoyers banquet, but no time for the flock.
That is why the AA is in the condition it is in!
When I complained to the Bishop he turned it all on me and said I was the problem.
YEAH RIGHT! thats why we lost over 75% of our members.
El crecimiento ( cap and gown )
ha sido un detrimiento al la obra de el Espiritu Santo.
"tan necio sois, habiendo comenzado por el Espiritu, ahora os perfeccionais por la carne.
Palabras del Apostol San Pablo
The AA leadership is all about themselves! They could care less if anybody else lives or dies. They left God out a long time ago!
I heard Bro. Thomas Ramirez preach in San Diego, Ca. in 1977 convention and I still remember the words that issued out of his mouth," si abrimos la puerta, cuando la volvermos a cerrar." I wonder how wide the gate is now.
Dear N. Ramirez,
Your comments struck a cord with me.
The AA board does not show up to a funeral unless they will be the main speaker.
If it turns out your family never made a formal invitation to Daniel Sanchez or the board, then they will not attend.
The reason is that funerals have long been an opportunity for board members to campaign. Usually someone with a family name will have a lot of pastor's, ministers and congregation show up. (I'm curious how well your cousin's funeral was attended).
You were better off not having Daniel Sanchez or board at your cousin's funeral. It probably would have been repugnant to everyone. Isn't Bishop Galavis the brother-in-law of your cousin? Being that Bishop Galavis at one time took a stand against the 2006 election fraud...he's on the AA board's black list and so is your family.
Consider it all joy that you didn't have the AA board present.
To Cal-Tex:
If you are quoting Galatians 3:3 as your support that "cap and gown" (which I presume is a reference to education? please correct me if I am wrong) is a detriment to the church, then please expound a little more.
In my reading of that text, Galatians 3:3 is in reference to the Apostle Paul's argument with Peter's continued observance of the law. This verse is in the context of faith vs. the observance of the law. The reference of "flesh" is in trying to gain favor and salvation by the works of the flesh, or by human efforts (which is what the law is).
Paul was trying to move people away from works based christianity to a faith based christianity. Can you clarify your stance for me as I would love to understand you better...
I do think that it's sad that they didn't go to Bro. Ramirez's funeral....but what's really ironic is they didn't go there but when Bishop Efrain Valverde died...they did make time to go there
Cal-Tex: La puerta esta tan abierta
que ya no la pueden cerra.
Ya ustedes los de AA ya no son los mismos en creencia y pratica de
doctrina y costumbres.
Ya son igual a nosotros los pentecostales...no se sabe si son del nom 0 del tri.
Tejano,
Can you be more specific on what Ramirez funeral you are talking about? The recent funeral? First name? Robert, Thomas or Robert Jr.?
Also, who from the general board attended Efrain Valverde's funeral besides his nephew Samuel Valverde?
Fontana recently had an event called "Spirit of Python" where they brought in a huge python snake and some how gave it a spiritual meaning...
Only figuers the biggest Snake in the history of the Apostolic Assembly, Sam Valverde, would have such an even at his church. A snake hosting a snake.....
Wow cant this guy come up with anything original ?
First he plagiarises T.D. Jakes Sermons and renames and re packages them as his own.
Then he leads the G.B. in Re packaging all of The G12 Programs that they criticized then re package it as the Strategy of Christ.
Now the stupid python thing !
Didnt Trinitarian Pastor Jentezen Franklin come up with this.
Just preach the Bible unaltered and pure, Speak what God places in your heart to speak to his people, and makes sure it aligns with scripture.
We do not need any more gimmicks, methods , programs or re packaged Trino tools to have success.
Interesting about SV.. with the whole spirit of the python.
In the book "The Gods who Walk among Us", which is according to the greek religion part of their worship and the seeress of Delphi.
as related in Acts 16:16-20..
the book states,
In Greek mythology, the Python, the namesake of the city of Python, was the great serpent or demon who dwelt in the mountains of Parnasus, menacing the area as the chief guardian of the famous oracle at Delphi.
This belief in a great snake is also here in the US and Mexico.
In Taos, NM, it is said that a great snake protects the cave where the local native amercans hid from the spanish that invaded the area. It is believed that Montezum, was actually from this area and he had a vision that took him to Mexico.
The only business that a snake would have in an Apostolic church would be .. well, there is not reason for a snake to be in church. We ain't from the appalachian mountains, to be handling snakes.
Wow that just goes to show how far, we are allowing these gimicks to come into our churches.
As the brother said, we need the word.. and the power of the word will make all the difference in the lives of those we are trying to reach.
I'm all for innovative ways for presenting the word, but this just does not sound right.!
Oíme o escuchen los GB reciben instrucciones o capacitacion departe de nosotros los del tri y reciben el Doc. degree...
Como no van a traer una serpiente al servicio o al templo apostolico,
si ya no son Apostolicos todos ellos (GB) han dado la esplada a la
doctrina del NOMBRE....
I heard that the snake wasn't really a snake.
Ok this is only hearsay, but I heard the snake was two vote Eddie.
A midget Snake ? Ha Ha Ha
Did they need a platform so he can see over the pulpit ?
He also always looks like hes constipated.....I'm just saying lol
Trucha
Soy Apostolico de corazon, y aunque no estoy de acuerdo en nada de lo que ha sucedido en la asamblea y la direccion que lleva, estoy en una iglesia que ama a Dios, guardando la doctrina del Senor sin mesclar los ritmos trinos que han confundido a muchos tal como Marcos Witt que ha hecho alianza con los Catolicos. Pero sabemos que estamos viviendo en tiempos muy desalentadores y de apostasia, pero no hay que perder de vista la esperanza que nos abriga, y dejar el Espiritu Santo de la biblia que sea nuestra quia.
Anybody want to guess how many votes Eddie will get this time around? I bet he can win with one this time.
What a joke !
Why would any Pastor even show up for this facade ?
Does anyone seriously think that a new GB will change anything ?
The only thing that will change is that they will be more careful to hide their fraud so as to not get caught again.
Can anyone confirm the wife-swapping story in Modesto's Julian A's church?
Story came down the Apostolic Wire .. sad. to hear ,, but surprising??
Wife Swapping? Details please.....0
Some from VP's church asked for prayer, because the word is that ..
"Pastor Julian, was swapping his wife, with another brother"
anyone from that church (because there are people from Modesto that come on here) can elaborate?
wife swapping, greed, money, sexual predators, homosexual theologians, homosexual praise team leaders, manslaughter
Jersey Shores? Nope. Apostolic Assembly....
I recently went to visit The Fountain in Fontana. Bishop Pastor Malverde greeted me with the following:
"Praise the Lord Brother. Is that a Python in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"
Haaaaa haaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
USMC:
Thats was funny dude..lol.
But on the other side. this is what happens when the church moved away from God.
Cancelling Weekdays services for so called share groups.
That how our downfall started. First Thursday night service was cancelled for share groups, didn't
work out. We didn't get our service back. Then Tuedays night Bible study and prayer cancelled for share group.
The sister that picks up 4 other sisters to attend share group couldn't make it tuedays, so Pastor cancelled cause only 4 or 5 people would be there.
So All week with nothing, and they wonder why we have lost over 75% of our members and soon to lose more.
But according to Bishop Hoyer he is doing a great Job.
Well I guess he is since we have not had any wife swapping or murders yet.
Wait we did have one murder!
Also The poor guy that co-signed for the Pastor's car is stuck paying for it now.
Also a sister is also helping pay of half of the $500.00 per month car payment.
Preaches Love and salvation on sunday but takes advantage of the humble brothers the rest of the week.
Maybe Pastor J's Python died and the Sister needed a King Cobra.
Maybe wife swapping will be on the agenda at the convention and Sancheezzeee's Brother will be the guest speaker, if you know what I mean, and maybe Jamie A will give lessions on pole and lap dancing.
MY CONTACTS FROM TEXAS SAY THAT MONTES CHURCH AND HERRERA'S CHURCH IN SOUTH TEXAS MIGHT JOIN AND ESTABLISH THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION, CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM THIS? APPARENTLY BOTH ARE GOOD FRIENDS AND PRACTICE THE SAME THINGS LIKE THE ENCUENTROS AND ALL THAT STUFF...SEEMS WE MIGHT GET ANOTHER AWA IN TEXAS.
Hopefully they don't practice wife swapping like the California Bros.
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No creo que Montes y su congregacion vayan a caminar 360 millas para un evento con su nuevo hermanito Herrera.
Si aqui en Houston no venian a los cultos de Sector o Dist. y menos a reuniones de sociedades o ministeriales.
Mucho menos de los hermanos de Herrera...no hay papeles!!!!para venir a Houston.
Ninguno y el otro pueden viajar!!!
EL ANGEL...PUES TIENES RAZON POR LA DISTANCIA NO CREO QUE ESO VAYA A FUNCIONAR, SEGUN DICEN POR AHI QUE SE HAN IDO VARIOS HERMANOS DE LA IGLESIA A OTRAS CONGREGACIONES, ME PREGUNTO SI SEGUIRAN CON LA MISMA DOCTRINA O CAMBIARAN VARIAS COSAS. NO CREO QUE ELLOS SE QUIERAN UNIR A LA AWA A COMO PARECE MONTES Y HERRERA QUIEREN ESTAR SOLOS Y HACER SU PROPIO SHOW PERO SI QUE SUPIERON APROVECHAR A LA ASAMBLEA CUANDO SE DECIAN ESTAR CON LA ASAMBLEA, DICEN ALLA EN TEXAS QUE HASTA EL PASTOR HERRERA ERA EL TESORERO DEL DISTRITO.
Segun los commentarios ya dejaron
ciertas costumbres apostolicas.
Hay mas libertad para hacer lo que realmente habia en el corazon.
Parece ser que la Asamblea Apostolica los tenia atados...pero ahora son libres.
Pues les dije que son mas como nosotros los de tri...todos reciben la educacion departe de nuestros gran doctores.
Bueno no todos los apostolicos, pero sus jefes o sus gran lideres.
Angel: estas en lo cierto! Se salen de la AA y cambian...
hi
Para los que estan escribiendo sobre Herrera, de Edinburg, Tx., y Joel Montes de Tejas.
Herrera ya tiene contaco de mucho tiempo con la Iglesia Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus de Mexico.
Pero que latima que Herrera se fue con Mx. ellos los de Mx. son igual y igual como los Honorables.
Sanchez, Valverde, Pachehco, Martin del Campo< Prado, Maffey, Aguilar.
Todos ellos son Lobos rapases solo por dinero.
El pobre de Benjamin Quiroz, que por "largos"""""""""anos estubo enganado a la Asamblea, con decir desde que el Obispo Guerra de sur de Texas que le llamaba a la directiva de Baldemar y le dicia..
"la propieded de Quiroz en Houston, no esta a nombre de la Asamblea Apostolica".
Pero nadie de la dirrectiva de Balde le hacia "nada de "caso" a Guerra....
Asi que burla para Quiroz...que la heriencia de la propidad de la iglesia de Houstaon, que heredo a su hija y yerno Joel...fue el motivo que los 'HECHARON FUERA" de la Asamblea.
Gracias a Abel Torres, que "dio el aviso"! "abel torres dio la almara...."HOIGAN....LA PROPIEDAD DE JOEL MONTES, NO ESTA EN NOMBRE DE LA ASAMBLEA!!!!"
Si Quiroz tenia derecho de darles a su hija y yerno Joel Montes la herecia de la propiedad de la Iglesia en Houston.
Asi tambien....... todo otro Pastor tenie el derecho de lo mismo...!!!!
Pero la realidad es que Quiroz 'SIEMPRE' SE HA CREDIO "MUY MERECIDO!!!!
AHORA SIN VERGUENZA VA A IR QUIROZ A LA CONVENCION EN ANAHEIM?
CON QUE CARA?....OH SI CON LA DIVORCIADA DOS VECES....ALLI ESTARAN!
SIN TAL VERGUENZA!
For those of you that are commenting on Herrera from Edinburg,Tx., and Joel Montes.
Herrera has long been with the Iglesia Apostolica de Mexico.,
Herrera has already been dumb enough to go with Mx. They are worse or the same as the Honorables.Sanchez, VALVERDE, Pacheco, Maffey,Aguilar,Prado and Martin del Campo....
Remember they are all from "south of the Border"..
Poor as the dirt mouse and got rich being "PASTORAS"..
THAT IS THEIR "RELIGION"...
"$10,000 per month salaries for all the General board. with 'NO SHAME"!
LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME GOOD.
BECOME A "PASTOR"...
ASK ADAM LOPEZ FROM UNION CITY.
SLEEP TILL 1.P.M. GOLF m-SAT.,
AND GOLF AND GOLF AND GOLF.
THAT IS THAT IDIOTS AND SEVERAL OTHERS "RELIGION" GOLF. ASK PRADO, AND VALVERDE"
VALVERDE JUST GOT BACK FROM PUERTO RICO AND GOLFED ALL TWO WEEKS"!
Joel Montes and the "speech maker"
"forever talking" (WIFE) will surely miss the "lime light" that they got through Raquelito Valverde, the AA's big time "e.-mailer and the "borken hearted,WIFE OF AGUILAER... betrayed by aguilar cesica.".
Quiroz that now lives in Brawley with his twice divorced, "reconciled" divorcee" must feel "pretty" angry because for years he "fooled" the AA during the Baldemar era of 23 years, of musical chairs., and eventhough the Bishop of that time of Houstaon, Bishop Guerra kept giving the "alarm"
"The property of the Houston church is not in the name of the AA", but Balde just looked the other way. Like Balde "always" does...
If Quiroz was "deserving to give his daughter the long endless talker, "Attention deficit syndrum"
and her husbadn Joel Montes, the "DESERVING" SON IN LAW OF QUIROZ, the Church of Houston property...
Then in all fairness all Pastors should have the same deserving priviledge of giving their sons in law and daugther the heir to the church property.
Probably Joel will go UPC or with MX., like Herrera., because here at the AWA Abel Torrees does not get along with Montes.
After all Torres was the "first to sound the alarm in Letters @ Apostolic, that "the property of Houston's church pastored by Montes 'WAS NOT IN THE NAME OF THE AA."
BUT qUIORZ, WITH NO SHAME WILL BE IN ANAHEIM,
WITH THE TWICE DIVORCED WIFE., AFTER ALL "REMEMBER QUIOROZ IS "ALWAYS" WELL DESERVING..
ACCORDING TO HIM AND THE TWICE DIVORCED WIFE!!
Nada mas mi opinion, cuando no hay otra alternativa, es facil criticar, puesto que parte de nuestra naturalesa, llega el momento en que tienes que entender que mientras no te sueltes de la mano de Dios, y sepas donde estas parado, quiero decirte que si hay vida en Cristo afuera de la AA. Entiende que al final del dia es tu y Dios. dijo el Apostol Pablo, ten cuidado de ti mismos y de la DOCTRINA, muchos de los que lla no estamos en la AA, nuestra relacion con Dios sigue mejorando, ya depende de cada persona, nuestros hnos de NLC y del Valle creo no cambiaran la doctrina por nada, pues en cuanto a nosotros de WFC segimos disfrutando de lo que se nos a ensenado ya de tiempo.
No se esta criticando a Herrera y Joel unhe2, se diciendo lo que real
y verdadero.
Claro que hay vida despues de AA;
pues Cristo fue el que nos dio vida y no la Asamblea Apostolica nosotros venimos al Señor atraves de ella y fuimos leal a ella por muchos años. Todavia tenemos sentimientos por ella porque fue
nuestra madre en el Señor alli crecimos y somos lo que somos por ella.
Pero a sucedido lo que sucedidio y
ya no estamos dentro de ella, pero hay que recordar que todaviaa tenemos familiares alli que sirven a Dios igual que nosotros.
Gracias A Dios que el ha sido fiel conmigo. Me congrego con la UPC,pastor Kilgore por dos años.
I heard the following rumor: Supposedly the church Victor Prado pastored in New Mexico was sold and now the Church members are having to rent a small building.
Thisiscrazy:
I heard the same thing, but I am not for sure. The church Victor Prado pastored in Albuquerque is called the first church. It was the oldest church in Albuquerque. If I recall correctly, their church building was on Broadway and central. When Victor moved to Albuquerque, I heard that he was placed at the first church because the church building was paid off.
Rumor had it that the AA moved placed Victor to New Mexico so that he could become a bishop. By being bishop of NM he would be qualified to take on a national position.
I remember when I first met him he seem to be intelligent.
Are we talking about the same Victor Prado, who is father of Victor Prado II, who was convicted of Vehicular Manslaughter, using a car registered to Victor Prado Sr?
The same Victor Prado who let his son drive his car, even though his drivers license was REVOKED?
There is innocent BLOOD on those Prado's hands.....
el angel: hay otros apostolicos com Kilgore?
USMC:
Yes, Victor Prado is the father of Victor Prado Jr.
Lupe: I heard the same rumor.
When Prado first took over the church, Floyd Duron was his secretary. Floyd worked for free and helped out Prado extensively. Since then the two have been like family. Floyd worked for Prados church in albuquerque until some point during construction. During the construction phase, some sort of conflict over some financial handling transpired between Floyd and the canales family. This conflict was so intense that a couple of ministers left the church, but Victor stood by Floyd.
Since Victor and his committee were not construction saavy, the construction of the building turned into a financial mess.
Sometime during this mess, Victor jr. had the accident in California.
USMC: If it is true what you said about Jr. license being revoked, how was Bro.Zuniga able to receive millions of dollars from the AA?
Its called NEGLIGENCE.
The Criminal Suit was against Victor Jr.
Victor Sr was the registered owner of the car. He lost in Civil Court, the AA was also named as a Defendant. Look up the court filing for the details.
Paz de Cristo hnos de Cutler, Ca.
gozense en las bendiciones del Senor.
USMC:
I guess one cannot blame Victor Prado Senior for leaving to California to be by his son, but it also appears that he wanted to leave the financial mess he created. I do not think he did it maliciously but I think the mess was created from ignorance or lack of business smarts.
After selling the original building, the church ran out of money several times. Victor had to borrow money a couple of times after the original loan. By the end of the project Victor acrued so much debt that the church could afford to make a 10,000 a month mortgage. Since Victor is part of the GB, they would cover whatever the church could not afford, but the GB was becoming extremely agitated with the local church. However, the fault did not fall on the local church but on their incompetent representative V. Prado and his secretary Duron.
The GB devised a plan to place Floyd as pastor so he would be the fall guy and since he and Prado are like family Floyd would continue to pay Prado a $1000 a month after his departure. The sad thing is that the church could not afford the mortgage so I was not sure how they were able to pay Prado a salary after he was gone. Also, the GB moved him and I am not sure why they did not cover his moving expenses or have Prado's church in California cover his expenses.
Since Floyd's departure from pastorship and the AA, Pastor Ralph Rueda assumed responsibility of the new building. Since he arrived the church members have had a warm response toward Pastor Rueda and Pastor R. has tried to salvage the church debt. Unfortunately, the GB decided to sell the church. Currently the local congregation moved into the old building of the purchasing church. The building was sold for about one million dollars. Prado's old church will have free rent for 3 months, but after that they will be required to pay rent of $4000 a month.
If Victor Prado is God sent and the anointed of God, how is that he takes a church with a paid off mortgage to out cold having to rent from a church that now own their building. I wonder if Prado feels bad at night or if he has "moved on." I wonder if he is advocating for his old congregation to receive a percentage from the money they receive from the building? I hope so because that would be the right thing.
I heard that the GB gave themselves a raise recently, I hope their raise does not come from the real estate sale.
Continue to pray for Pastor Rueda the pastor of Prado's old congregation. Pastor R. is a true pastor. He took over Prado's mess and has loved on the flock.
I pray that if there exist an ounce of Godliness in the GB they will provide Prado's old congregation with some relocation money. I doubt that will happen because Prado has washed his hands of the financial mess and all of his bail outs have probably caused him to lose any influence he had to advocate to the GB in behalf of his congregation.
胡安，教會你是什麼人？
你为什么来这里，而要在肮脏的图片链接？
Paz de Cristo Hnos. Apostolicos
Busquemos las lluvias del Espiritu Santo.
Cuando Frank Balboa era como presidente de los mensajeros de paz, creo que hubiera mas acitividades nacionales juveniles. Anthony Romo no ha hecho nada quiza porque la GB no hay dinero y dept juvenil no ya dinero.....
Sin embargo, la iglesia de Herrera en Edinburg, TX promueve su actividades y campamento juvenil local porque ellos si tienen dinero. Todo empieza con la iglesia local, todo pastor y lider debe de preocupase mas por la iglesia local. Que bueno por ellos.
LLORONA: ESTOY DE ACUERDO QUE AHORA HAY MENOS ACTIVIDADES CON LOS JOVENES YO PIENSO TAMBIEN POR TODAS LAS DEUDAS QUE TIENE LA ASAMBLEA Y QUE PENA QUE ESTO PASE PORQUE AHORA LOS JOVENES ESTAN SIN RUMBO Y DIRECCION. ME HAN DICHO QUE EL PASTOR HERRERA EN EDINBURGO, TEXAS TIENE UNA IGLESIA MUY BENDECIDA Y CREO QUE ERA LA MAS GRANDE DEL DISTRITO SUR DE TEXAS PERO CREO QUE HAN HECHO MUCHA DIVISION AL LLEVARSE A OTROS HERMANOS DE OTRAS IGLESIAS. ME HAN INFORMADO QUE LA IGLESIA DE HERRERA HACEN LOS FAMOSOS ENCUENTROS O RETIROS COBRANDO MUCHO DINERO A LOS HERMANOS Y VISITANTES. NO CREO QUE ESO SEA MUY ETICO YA QUE SE ENFOCAN MAS EN EL DINERO Y EL AMOR AL DINERO ES LA RAIZ DE TODOS LOS MALES.
Herrera tiene hermanos de todas las iglesias del valle de Texas.
Enseña el G12, los encuentros y otras cosas. Es carismatico.
Oren a Dios por nosotros aqui en Valle de Texas.
Paz de Cristo Hnos. de Paso Robles, Ca. Se que Dios les esta bendiciendo grandemente. Gloria a Dios. Sigan buscando la Gloria de Dios y el movimiento del Espiritu Santo.
I heard that in some of the encuentros( not talking about Herrera's church) that there is wife swapping going on. Don't know if the AA or other organizations.
And while we're on the subject. what about the wife swapping up in calfornia with Pastor J?
Creo que a Patricio Carranco, David Tovar, Hno. Hernandez de San Diego, Luciano Montes, Hno. Lugo de San Antonio, y Herrera, le hermano de Daniel Sanchez y otros pastors de AA les encantaran tener encuentros de "wife swapping" y incluier las damas bonitas y sensuales de las iglesias. No creo que es problema cobrar mucho para un encuentro si se presentan damas sensuales. Y no creo que el enfoque de estos pastores sera encuentros para Dios sino encuentros para las damas.... Imaginate?
Si es verdad.
La Lucy Montez did something in the general offices and has been kept hush hush.
ESO ES LO QUE SE ESCUCHA QUE PASA EN TEXAS AHORA LO DE WIFE SWAPPING ESO NO SE SI ESTARA PASANDO PERO CREO QUE POCO FALTA PARA QUE ESO TAMBIEN SUCEDA. QUE ESTA PASANDO CON LA IGLESIA? CREO QUE ESTO ES EL RESULTADO DE HABER ABANDONADO LA SANA DOCTRINA POR UNA BARATA Y ADULTERADA DONDE TODO AHORA DEBER SER PARA MULTIPLICARSE Y CRECER EN GRANDES PROPORCIONES. QUE TRISTEZA QUE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA HAYA CAIDO EN ESTA TRAMPA TODO POR EL AFAN DE TENER MEGA IGLESIAS Y MUCHO DINERO. EXTRANO LA ASAMBLEA DE LOS ANTIGUOS DONDE TODAVIA SE ALABABA A DIOS CON HIMNARIOS Y PANDEROS Y HABIA UN ESPIRITU DE ARMONIA EN LOS HERMANOS. SE ESTA PERDIENDO POCO A POCO TODO ESTO Y DEBEMOS HACER ALGO YA PARA SALVAR NUESTRA AMADA IGLESIA QUE TANTO SACRIFICIO Y DEDICACION COSTO A HOMBRES Y MUJERES DE DIOS...DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA.
Ya vez como ha cambiado la AA, Jean.
Hasta los musicos de la AA ahora estan con nosotros los trinos.
Sabes porque? Hay DINERO!!! Y se casan con nuestras jovenes!!!
Los pastores de la AA se dieron cuenta que si se pueden poner pantalones las mujeres,make-up etc.
Quiere decir que nosotros siempre estabamos en lo correcto.
trucha pues es la verdad, la AA ha cambiado mucho ya no es lo de antes y es una lastima porque creo que la AA siempre ha dado buenos musicos y compositores pero ya ahora estan mas interesados en las nuevas ondas musicales y hasta como se visten. Que pena que se este perdiendo la escencia de lo que era ser apostolico aqui en USA y en Mexico.
La Biblia dice que son los censuales los que no tienen el Espiritu de Cristo y cometen apostasia.
Tiene mas valor el "dinero" que la sana doctrina. Vale mas la "fama"
que la doctrina. Como si hubiera doncellas en la Asamblea.
Lo que quice decir como si no hubiera doncellas en la Asamblea.
Es lo que hay doncellas!!!!!
Israel siempre se fue prostitiyendos
pero Dios no dejo de amarla. No nos debe de extranar o asustar lo que estamos viendo en nuestra iglesia, que ha llegado tiempo de grande apostasia. Pero Dios siempre deja un remanente que no han ensusiado sus ropas para cumplir lo que ha de ser en los tiempos que estamos viviendo. Hnos Apostolicos, despierten, porque todavia habemos iglesias que guardamos la sana doctrina y estamos siendo combatidos pero hay poder en la SANGRE DE JESUCRISTO,
Y EL ESPIRITU SANTO TODAVIA SE ESTA MOVIENDO.
No se dejen llevar de conceptos trinitarios.
AMEN CAL-TEX ESTOY DE ACUERDO CON TU COMENTARIO, TODAVIA HAY UN BUEN GRUPO QUE SEGUIMOS Y QUEREMOS GUARDAR ESTA DOCTRINA QUE ES BASADA EN LA BIBLIA Y NO EN UN GRUPO DE HOMBRES CARISMATICOS Y APOSTATAS CON ESTRATEGIAS DE EMPRESAS Y QUE SOLO HACEN DE LA IGLESIA UN GRAN NEGOCIO A BASE DE LA EXPLOTACION DE LOS HERMANOS Y VISITANTES AL LAVARLES EL CEREBRO DE QUE TIENEN QUE IR A ESTOS PRES, POS Y REENCUENTROS O RETIROS QUE SON ANTIBIBLICOS Y SATANICOS. SENOR PERDONA TODAS NUESTRAS OFENSAS Y POR HABER CAMBIADO TU SANTA PALABRA POR UN MANUAL Y LIBROS DE ESTRATEGIAS.
The G-12 share groups was the downfall of our church.
No Sunday School!
No weekday Service!
No weekday Bible study or prayer!
Oh but Pastor still wants his full salary when he maybe only puts in 20 hours a week.
He can't be too busy with the 20 members we have left!
Thank you very much Bishop for your concern when I came to you with the problem, which in your words didn't pertain to me.
Que vivan las love offerings!
forget all that stuff, whats this about wife swapping in mo-town????
inquiring minds want to know!
to the truth for once
Does this mean that by whats going on in your church, if you are still in it, does it mean that he (Pastor Rangel) has taken away your weapons like in the days of Gedeon. Prayer and fasting nobody can take from you unless you are not willing to pay a price for change. If you are so concerned about your church just like these other complainers, why don't you all take it to the next level and search after God for direction. After all, it is His church and He is still searching for someone to stand in the gap.
Complaining?
Not that!
I'm stating the facts so when someone says why no one said anything.
We can say someone did.
Prayer, fasting yes!
Just like all the Pastors did for the 2006 elections?
But when the church of God has been turned into a den of thieves. What do you expect?
So before you point a finger at someone come walk a mile in our shoes.
Complaining?
No sir!
Sounding the alarm before things get worst! and not forgotton and swept under the carpet like always..
God Bless You
...This is an open letter for Steve Montenegro from Arizona...
Steve you may be the youngest
in the Arizona house of representatives but you are definitely the most "inexperienced
and Naive" politician in Arizona,
you are an embarassment to the Assembly in being the only republican hispanic to vote in favor of HB 1070 I saw your interview on Tv and on youtube
and as a political science graduate
myself I was embarassed by your
statements, obviously you know
nothing of history, HB 1070 is a
terrible law because is sets a terrible precedent of racial discrimination against all brown
brothers and sisters, yes policemen
who enforce laws are VERY BIASED
and they will abuse this law
you cited the reason why you favor HB 1070 was because of crime in
Arizona, you do not punish many
for the criminal activities of a few, I remind you that Arizona has
a documented history of racism
this is a fact they voted against
observing Martin Luther King day
years ago, this time they are doing
it again and you are too blind
not to see it...
...Montenegro you pass me as someone who is thirsty for power
at any cost, unfortunately your
youth and inexperience in the real world blinds you and you dont even
realize that you are being used
as a 'useful idiot' by whoever
promised you something if you
stood with them on this one
...I don't know if you know but some 90% of the hispanic community
hates you because you are a sell out, I agree that Arizona has crime problems due to illegal immigration
but this blunt and all encompassing
racial discriminatory law was NOT the way to solve such a problem
...Steve, you need more maturity to
be inn a seat of power, take more
history and philosophy classes before you take such a stand in the future, that is if you haven't sealed your political fate already
by ENFURIATING "MOST" of your own
ethnic community
...I know that a large percentage of brothers in your own church are
undocumented workers how could you
be so naive and blind
...esta es una carta abierta a
Steve montenegro vice presidente
de los mensajeros de paz y congresista del estado de arizona
...steve se de que eres el mas joven del congreso de arizona pero
tambien se ve de que eres el mas
verde politico de tal estado, eres
una VERGUENZA a tus hermanos cristianos y a tus compatriotas
hispanos ya de que eres el unico republicano que voto a favor
de la ley HB 1070 en arizona
...Como hijo de pastor parese que
no sabes de que gran porcentaje de
los Apostolicos son INDOCUMENTADOS
y aun asi votates por tal ley
descriminatora
...Steve, el dano ya esta hecho al visitar y leer en el internet
sobre ti la gran mayoria de los hispanos que saben de ti te odian
y ademas has dado un mal testimonio encontra de la asamblea
...Se que Arizona sufre de crimen ligado a su frontera con mexico pero tal ley No era la manera de
solucionar tal problema, ya de
que los policias son humanos y
son aptos a discriminar como les paresca, que poco sabes de la vida montenegro
...EL dano politico ya te lo hiciste, te balaceaste tu pie tu mismo y mirando las entrevistas
que has dado por la Tv parese que ni cuenta te das del dano politico
que te has hecho a ti mismo
...Steve, no vendas tu alma por
poder, esta ley inicia un precedente muy malo como las
leyes que se hinisciaron encontra de los Judios en alemania en los
1940's, es un malismo inicio
...Steve, Arizona tiene historia documentada de descriminacion
legislada por sus lideres cuando
no querian pasar la ley de observacion de martin luther king
en el pasado, te imaginas si un
negro votara encontra de observar
tal dia el escandalo que se armaria
asi mismo tu has hecho tal cosa
encontra de los tuyos al favorecer
la HB 1070 y lo peor es de que
parese que aun no comprendes ni lo
que has hecho
...Como estudiante graduado de la
ciencia politica se de que algunos
republicanos te prometieron algo si
votas a favor con ellos, yo tambien
voto republicano pero jamas votaria a favor de tal ley como tu
...Tu futuro politico ya lo has sellado tu mismo y parese que ni
cuentas te das ESPERABA algo
mejor de ti y le has fallado
a tu pueblo, a tu cultura, a tu iglesia y a tu projimo con
favorezer esta ley que inicia un
precedente RACISTA, tu jjuventud
y inexperiencia te ciega y
poreso oro de que aunn haiga tiempo para que abres tus ojos
...esta es una carta abierta a
Steve montenegro vice presidente
de los mensajeros de paz y congresista del estado de arizona
...steve se de que eres el mas joven del congreso de arizona pero
tambien se ve de que eres el mas
verde politico de tal estado, eres
una VERGUENZA a tus hermanos cristianos y a tus compatriotas
hispanos ya de que eres el unico republicano que voto a favor
de la ley HB 1070 en arizona
...Como hijo de pastor parese que
no sabes de que gran porcentaje de
los Apostolicos son INDOCUMENTADOS
y aun asi votates por tal ley
descriminatora
...Steve, el dano ya esta hecho al visitar y leer en el internet
sobre ti la gran mayoria de los hispanos que saben de ti te odian
y ademas has dado un mal testimonio encontra de la asamblea
...Se que Arizona sufre de crimen ligado a su frontera con mexico pero tal ley No era la manera de
solucionar tal problema, ya de
que los policias son humanos y
son aptos a discriminar como les paresca, que poco sabes de la vida montenegro
...EL dano politico ya te lo hiciste, te balaceaste tu pie tu mismo y mirando las entrevistas
que has dado por la Tv parese que ni cuenta te das del dano politico
que te has hecho a ti mismo
...Steve, no vendas tu alma por
poder, esta ley inicia un precedente muy malo como las
leyes que se hinisciaron encontra de los Judios en alemania en los
1940's, es un malismo inicio
...Steve, Arizona tiene historia documentada de descriminacion
legislada por sus lideres cuando
no querian pasar la ley de observacion de martin luther king
en el pasado, te imaginas si un
negro votara encontra de observar
tal dia el escandalo que se armaria
asi mismo tu has hecho tal cosa
encontra de los tuyos al favorecer
la HB 1070 y lo peor es de que
parese que aun no comprendes ni lo
que has hecho
...Como estudiante graduado de la
ciencia politica se de que algunos
republicanos te prometieron algo si
votas a favor con ellos, yo tambien
voto republicano pero jamas votaria a favor de tal ley como tu
...Tu futuro politico ya lo has sellado tu mismo y parese que ni
cuentas te das ESPERABA algo
mejor de ti y le has fallado
a tu pueblo, a tu cultura, a tu iglesia y a tu projimo con
favorezer esta ley que inicia un
precedente RACISTA, tu jjuventud
y inexperiencia te ciega y
poreso oro de que aunn haiga tiempo para que abres tus ojos
...esta es una carta abierta a
Steve montenegro vice presidente
de los mensajeros de paz y congresista del estado de arizona
...steve se de que eres el mas joven del congreso de arizona pero
tambien se ve de que eres el mas
verde politico de tal estado, eres
una VERGUENZA a tus hermanos cristianos y a tus compatriotas
hispanos ya de que eres el unico republicano que voto a favor
de la ley HB 1070 en arizona
...Como hijo de pastor parese que
no sabes de que gran porcentaje de
los Apostolicos son INDOCUMENTADOS
y aun asi votates por tal ley
descriminatora
...Steve, el dano ya esta hecho al visitar y leer en el internet
sobre ti la gran mayoria de los hispanos que saben de ti te odian
y ademas has dado un mal testimonio encontra de la asamblea
...Se que Arizona sufre de crimen ligado a su frontera con mexico pero tal ley No era la manera de
solucionar tal problema, ya de
que los policias son humanos y
son aptos a discriminar como les paresca, que poco sabes de la vida montenegro
...EL dano politico ya te lo hiciste, te balaceaste tu pie tu mismo y mirando las entrevistas
que has dado por la Tv parese que ni cuenta te das del dano politico
que te has hecho a ti mismo
...Steve, no vendas tu alma por
poder, esta ley inicia un precedente muy malo como las
leyes que se hinisciaron encontra de los Judios en alemania en los
1940's, es un malismo inicio
...Steve, Arizona tiene historia documentada de descriminacion
legislada por sus lideres cuando
no querian pasar la ley de observacion de martin luther king
en el pasado, te imaginas si un
negro votara encontra de observar
tal dia el escandalo que se armaria
asi mismo tu has hecho tal cosa
encontra de los tuyos al favorecer
la HB 1070 y lo peor es de que
parese que aun no comprendes ni lo
que has hecho
...Como estudiante graduado de la
ciencia politica se de que algunos
republicanos te prometieron algo si
votas a favor con ellos, yo tambien
voto republicano pero jamas votaria a favor de tal ley como tu
...Tu futuro politico ya lo has sellado tu mismo y parese que ni
cuentas te das ESPERABA algo
mejor de ti y le has fallado
a tu pueblo, a tu cultura, a tu iglesia y a tu projimo con
favorezer esta ley que inicia un
precedente RACISTA, tu jjuventud
y inexperiencia te ciega y
poreso oro de que aunn haiga tiempo para que abres tus ojos
...esta es una carta abierta a
Steve montenegro vice presidente
de los mensajeros de paz y congresista del estado de arizona
...steve se de que eres el mas joven del congreso de arizona pero
tambien se ve de que eres el mas
verde politico de tal estado, eres
una VERGUENZA a tus hermanos cristianos y a tus compatriotas
hispanos ya de que eres el unico republicano que voto a favor
de la ley HB 1070 en arizona
...Como hijo de pastor parese que
no sabes de que gran porcentaje de
los Apostolicos son INDOCUMENTADOS
y aun asi votates por tal ley
descriminatora
...Steve, el dano ya esta hecho al visitar y leer en el internet
sobre ti la gran mayoria de los hispanos que saben de ti te odian
y ademas has dado un mal testimonio encontra de la asamblea
...Se que Arizona sufre de crimen ligado a su frontera con mexico pero tal ley No era la manera de
solucionar tal problema, ya de
que los policias son humanos y
son aptos a discriminar como les paresca, que poco sabes de la vida montenegro
...EL dano politico ya te lo hiciste, te balaceaste tu pie tu mismo y mirando las entrevistas
que has dado por la Tv parese que ni cuenta te das del dano politico
que te has hecho a ti mismo
...Steve, no vendas tu alma por
poder, esta ley inicia un precedente muy malo como las
leyes que se hinisciaron encontra de los Judios en alemania en los
1940's, es un malismo inicio
...Como estudiante graduado de la
ciencia politica se de que algunos
republicanos te prometieron algo si
votas a favor con ellos, yo tambien
voto republicano pero jamas votaria a favor de tal ley como tu
...Tu futuro politico ya lo has sellado tu mismo y parese que ni
cuentas te das ESPERABA algo
mejor de ti y le has fallado
a tu pueblo, a tu cultura, a tu iglesia y a tu projimo con
favorezer esta ley que inicia un
precedente RACISTA, tu jjuventud
y inexperiencia te ciega y
poreso oro de que aunn haiga tiempo para que abres tus ojos
Cal_Tex
Fill in the Gap?
Thats whats wrong with you pastors
You want all the members to fill in and do your jobs for you, while you go off playing golf and preaching in other churches for that special love offering. While your own members are suffering.
Wish I had someone to fill my gap at my job.
We do pray we do fast, but the gap has gotten so big you could drive a bus through it.
Now rumours of wife swapping. You guys can't even fill that gap either
( if you know what I mean)
So call it complaining if you want, I'll keep it up til our services are restored to get back our weapons as you say that that devil has tried to steal.
This is a twist to the G-12 movement that I had not thought of.
The people in this article have no Pastor or someone to call them complainers or use scare tactics telling members not to go up against God's anionted.
So no supporting deadbeats, that just want your hard earned money with no returned on it.
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2010/07/21/1502488/house-church-skip-the-sermon-worship.html
...This is an open letter to ".SAID'
you are not a christian first of all you swear, you call men created
in the image of GOD "wet backs"
...shame on you, the bible says that men are what they speak you have
a dirty mouth,repent
...I am not stuck in the past, the problem with the arizona law is a present PROBLEM, and the letter was not for you so stop being
NOSY and metiche...
hey period...how does the past cloud Joe's mind? It's me Gerardo...the guy you love so much you attacked me when other people were responding to you
tengo informacion de contactos en texas que en estos encuentros que realizan en algunas iglesias apostolicas los que asisten son puestos a clavar sus pecados no confesados en una cruz de madera, como simbolizando crucificar al Senor otra vez, creo que esto es en contra de la palabra de Dios y que blasfemia porque al realizar esto yo creo que estamos haciendo acto de que el dia que nos entregamos al Senor todavia nos quedaron algunos pecados por ahi pero la palabra de Dios dice que cuando nos entregamos al Senor las cosas viejas pasaron y he aqui todas son hechas nuevas...no entiendo porque hacen esas cosas en estos eventos!!! creo que es muy antibiblico y quisiera saber si alguien sabe mas de estas cosas que se hacen.
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