Attached is the link to the Plan of Action and Stewardship sent to Apostolic Assembly pastors both in english and espanol.
For your review....
Click here for: RESOLUCION DE PLAN DE ACCION y MAYORDOMIA
Click here for: Montebello Closing Documents
As noted..."The bank charged for the cost of the loan. Then, the AA Inc,(A Non Profit 501c3 Religeous Organization) added its fees. The AA Inc. is neither registered with the Department of Real Estate nor the Department of Corporations, which allows for charging of fees in a loan".
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«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 2267 Newer› Newest»i am your typical i dont give a damn aa person justlike all the pastors dont give a dam i dont either just like all you here dont givea damn
aw cbg you got hurt and you mad are you hurting likeyou hurt back there or did you hurt yoursef..
Now this blog is gonna get good!!!!!
Praise the Lord "TeGustaChismear" Dios te bendiga BROTHER! lol.
wow you are a former aa club member welcome to the aa support site wecome to aa anonymous club where you say whatever all uncdercover it makes you feel good cbg to let it out here we will listen and hole your hand haha i like the way you are using my tag name you are right it is getting good around here see you feel better already i am glad we could help you overcome yuour aa fears thats what we are here for dumbass
lol lol
Ay cbg que malo eres. Please from one hoe to another. Lets make up and kiss brother. I lov u. Mua!
haha cbg sorry i couldnt fullfill that wish i am not phycically able to do that you are too funny
imma a old lady way older then you but i do know who that going to happen never lady is
back to real nws i know that nlc is not waitng for march to get out like charmain caca mauf said he is true what he said even if i did make fun of him they did have meetingrss..
Sorry! don't know if they recorded a CD...in Dallas or here in h-town.
I taught they played w/ungidos and not w/inspiracion.
Pitos y Hair; Guillen suppose to start a new work o obra,cause guillen and little debbie don't get along...and your pastor don't like tejano music,plus he has a lots of relative there.
dont know you are telling the truth about that they dont get al oneg i know to
Oye!!! que buena idea que Guillen se animara abrir una nueva obra.
Una idea del nombre: Iglesia Apostolica Tejana Inc./Piedras Negras. Oyeme!!!!
y el puede cantar kero alabard te todo lo que quere
Bro.Guillen "IF" u do so open a new work,do it under the AWA.You'll
be free from all the mess of the AA
you'll be locally incorporated.
With NO flor azul y mano a mano etc. You have lots relatives there w/Bro. Jeff.
yes y el harmano jeff will be happy you took all your old relatives just leave the new
What is going to happen next?
We remember when he lived in Houston, "FRANCISCA" she was born and raised in Matamoros, Mexico.
Changed her named to "FRANCES", TO be a "CHICANA".. A LA CUCHA!
She was "Brother Quiroz's right hand "Girl Friday".
Francisa was quite a "shaver" did Sanchez good, to be "appointed" La digna Dorca!
So the other sister married Martin Del Campo from MX..
When Brother Quiroz was GBM , Secretary of Missions, (that's as far as he got!!)
Quiroz appointed "her" to be a distinguished Missionary to Chile, like Brother Baldemar sent Pacheco.
"Birds of a feather flock together"?
Its not what you know in the AA.
HUH GBM? or how much you educate yourself? It "whom you kiss up the most.
Brother Quiroz did alot of favoritizums, WHEN HE WAS IN "BIG" POWER....
That is why he is now in the "fix he is in". With a second time around "DIVORCEE".
We moved to City of the Alamo, as far as we could. The Ortegas moved to "DAllas" and "left the AA" for all the "harm" Brother Quiroz did to them!
Others "transferred to Brother Guillermo Mendoza, for refuge, from "Quiroz".
He "hated and "ousted" divorced persons!!
Yet, he married into the "divorcee society!!
That my dear brothers and sisters
was "just fine". That was he!!
"Some can others, CANNOT!"
And so the wheel "turns"!
Remember members?
Brother Quiroz, you can still repent and ask us and others
for "forgiveness".
Now Joel and your daughter ae "reaping" what
you sowed:
Great work Bishop Torres.
Keep informing us on Joel.
We appreciate you informa--
tion!
City of Alamo Too: I thought I go into the Apostolic Assembly Letters and you wouldn't believe what I came across another letter to the Gb from Abel Torres just recently posted. I tell you this man ain't stopping at nothing!
TO APARICIO -JANUARY 6,2010, BLOG:
Dear Blogger:
Here you tell us that Abel Torres stands and defends, for justice,
the person that was mistreated in
what ever ordeal you are talking
about, in this comment.
And you also added "that many persons and Pastors
even from the AA and AWA call
Brother Torres, instead of Brother Baldemar
for advise.
And that Brother Torres stands
up to defend those in need!!!??
Well, then.......how come Brother
Torres did not defend...
the Pastor that was betrayed by
Torres sister in law's husband,
the bass player, who "decided"
to "cross" his friend the
Pastor who had "recommended"
the bass player deacon to be
"ordained" just three months
prior to the "Division" and
robbing "sheep" from the fold
of that Pastor who "trusted"
the bass player, deacon?
HOW come??? Brother Torres
as an "organizor and promotor"
to "recruit" PASTORS TO THE AWA
, did not ,,,,,,did not act
upon the DEFENSE, of not
"incorporating the New Church
growth, created by the Los CAmpos
deacon?
Is it called like you said, nepotisum?, favoritisium, negation,
of the betrayal.. of a 'TRUSTING
PASTOR', WHO HAS GIVEN ALL
AND MORE...TO THE AWA?
HOW COME????
Where is Torres now?
Still digging more information
on Montes?
Continuing Fairness:
My friend did you read the recently posted letter Abel Torres wrote. Since you think your so tough where is your name on the your comments? We know for sure he is remember the time when he crashed the pastoral and ministerial conference in California?
What is going to happen next?
Yes.... I remember reading a
previous post that "LETTERS'
IS DEFINATELY TORRES' WEB-
PAGE!!!!
No wonder all the "stuff"
of his friend Tafoya ex-Bishop
of Arizona was 'DELECTED"
We have tried to send comments
to 'LETTERS'
BUT "JUNIE" TORRES WILL NOT
ACCEPT THEM!
HOW CONVIENENT!
ALL FOR SELF.
Sure Torres "crashed" the
AA Ministerial meeting!!
Much good it did him?
AND ALL "CAUSE" JOELITO MONTES
"GOT THE LIMELIGHT"!!
SO TORRES HAD A "TANTRUM!
HOW SELFISH!!!
HOW SELFISH!!!
HOW SELFISH!!!
ALL THAT CRAZY "EGO"!
February 21, 2010
President and GB members,
I heard what went on in the meetings this week with the Bishops and the General Board. I heard the President stated that there will be a completely new board in September. That was a must. It had to happen. You people have caused an incredible amount of damage to the Body of Christ with your demonic attitudes and actions. You have behaved worse than pagans. At some point you forgot where you came from, and you stopped caring about the Church of the Lord. Your actions have been shameless!
A fellowship that has been building up for over one hundred years has been severely damaged by the pride and avarice you men have demonstrated. No doubt, the Lord will hold you accountable some day for all your evil deeds. It is in fact the Body of Christ that has been wounded by your transgressions, not just an organization. May God have mercy on your poor misguided souls.
I hear that Valverde and Pacheco declared that neither one of them would accept nomination to a position on the Board in September. That is still to be seen. Of course, they did what the little boy did who fell of the bike. The little boy said when he fell, “I was about to get off anyway.” Few of us believe that there will be a completely new Board or that Valverde and Pacheco will not accept nomination. It is hard to believe them because of their lying nature. Many believe it was a ploy to see how everybody would react. All of you should have had the decency to resign about three and a half years ago when everything came out regarding the wrongdoing at the November 2006 elections in Long Beach. The writing was on the wall, but you never saw it. You people were about yourselves, not about serving God or the people that He bought with his precious blood. You forgot all that a long time ago. You are saying that you came to your due decision because of all the things that have been said about you. You seem to be trying to blame others for your misgivings. Nobody else caused this to you. You caused it to yourselves
continue:
They say the President is adamant about viciously dismissing, as previously devised by all of you, all the Pastors who are not complying. He should have listened to Joe RodrÃguez. Joe RodrÃguez is right. He proposed at the meeting that the congregations be allowed to be incorporated locally instead of throwing out men who have been in the AA all of their lives. The President is wrong in his childish persistence. He insists in kicking out everybody who doesn’t comply financially, as well as, those who haven’t placed the church properties in the name of the AA. He thinks he can enhance his legacy by dismissing the over 250 Pastors on the list that has been compiled. He thinks he will forever be remembered as the Man who had the wherewithal to fix the AA problem. He is absolutely wrong! To begin, he has no legacy at all. He will always be remembered in infamy as the man who crippled a fellowship and inflicted so much pain upon so many people. Others had mercy on him when he did not comply, but he would not have mercy on anyone. He is going to hurt many families. I wonder how many children of those Pastors will become bitter and be lost forever. How can you people allow the President to be so cruel? What a sad day in the history of Christianity. I regret the thought of ever having been associated with him. I am embarrassed of having known him and the rest of you. What a disgrace all of you have been to the Church of Lord.
History will say in the end that you were warned by many people about the consequences of your actions, but you wouldn’t listen. You were told not to allow this to go to litigation or we would all lose in the end. You refused to listen. You were told that everything would end up in disaster if you did not seek a peaceful solution. Evidently you were not spiritual and discerning enough to understand the magnitude of the problem. You underestimated the resilience of men who would never bend to the painful pressure you exerted on them. They were willing to stand for what was right, cost what it may. History will say that you men would not listen to wisdom, but instead you persisted in being self-centered, and only worried about your own personal interests. History will also say that the men on the GB acted in a cowardly and selfish manner as they made no attempt whatsoever to hinder the destructive actions of the President. What terrible times we are living in. But I dare say, that as bleak as everything appears to be at the present time, as people are being thrown out of the AA, they will discover that they are actually being liberated. There is abundant life after the bondage of the AA. The word of God says in (Luke 12:32) “Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.” The Pastors who are being thrown out so unjustly should take comfort in those words. The kingdom belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ, not to the leaders of the AA or any other organization. No leader on Earth can throw anyone out of God’s kingdom.
Abel V. Torres
Continuing For Fairness:
Thank God for courageous men like Abel Torres.
ENJOY!
To Abel Torres: Gracias por tus cartas y tu valor en escribirlas.
Sabra Dios que ira pasar con todo
esto....de Valverde y Pacheco no les creo,solo dejeron eso para ver como corre la agua.Ahora son las victimas; los siete miembros de GB
no tuvieron el valor de poner freno
al Presidente D. Sanchez,ningun presidente se gobierna o gobierna solo, no OBAMA lo hace...
Pastors I have read all letter's, court documents etc.. Ni OBAMA se gobierna solo...pero la constitucion de ustedes de AA Inc.
le da toda la autoridad al Presidente,los siete miembros de la GB no tienen derechos,menos los pastores.
Y quien le dio toda esa autoridad; ustedes pastores en sus convenciones nacionales...porque muchos de ustedes se la pasan en el "CAFE" o sentados en los sofases
del Lobby having a good time!!!
Los he visto con mis propios oyos,
ya ves como somos los jovenes....
Trucha: Donde estara "Continuing For Fairness" Que le pasaria? No que era tan BRAVO! Espero que no se me haiga desmayado de puro Coraje!
Great letter! Abel Torres:
You are totally and completely
describing the Baldemar Rodriguez ERA: Twenty-Three year REIGN!!!
That is when more than 100 PASTORS separated from the AA to the
UPC (hispanic) and to the "Iglesia de Mexico!!!(here in the USA)
Same old!same old"
SANCHEZ AND HIS GANG
WERE TAUGHT VERY WELL?
\HUH?VALVERDE AND PACHECO:
WHO were so befriended by
Baldemar Rodriguez!
Now..WHAT???... are you gonna----- go out and
DEFEND THAT BETRAYED PASTOR
IN TEXAS THAT YOUR SISTER IN LAW'S
DEACON HUSBAND "formed" A DIVISION
AND "took" THE "INSTRUMENTS AND
4-5 FAMILIES AND IS STILL CALLING
OTHERS to come and "WORSHIP", THE
LORD WITH THE NEWLY "CHURCH GROWTH"?????
DID you know that your sister in law'a husband , the deacon;
"started the new obra", under the "independent, self automus
congregation SYSTEM..
rented a place .....2 block away .......from
the church he divided., and
your sister inlaw's deacon husband
lives in a city called Grand Prairre, and they have to
travel miles to be able to
"accomodate" the "stole" sheep
that live in the area where the
church he betrayed is located?
That my dear brother, is down
right "stabbing" in the back
and your "looking" only to
HOUSTON, to straighten the messed up "title" of Montes!!!
But you are not "taking care" of
the ones that "you"
"recruited" from the AA and
they "trusted in you",
YOU ARE THE embittered man who "did justice"
and "blew the whistle" on Sanchez
etc., only because Joelito's
selections to run in the "fraud"
elections --5 TIMES--"Upset You" Big Time!
Take care of your "wounded"
Pastor, YOUR FRIEND. where your sister in laws's
deacon bass player husband,
caused an "uncrupulous"
selfish division...only three
months after being "ordained"
by "recommendation" of your
supposely true, "recruited friend", the "wounded Pastor"
The deacon bass
player now pastor SHOULD start a "new Obra" for the AWA near the CITY WHERE THEY LIVE
where they live., And not
2-------blocks away----from
the church he divided, from the
"trusting Pastor"!
THAT IS NOT A "NEW CHURCH" PLANTING., THAT IS STEALING!
Please write us a very nice
letter to let us know
on the "out come"of your "efforts"
to console the "Wounded Pastor"!
Oh......I must rememeber....
the AWA churches are "self governed"
independent, automus. I must remember!!!
But you sure can "recruit them"
and "instruct them how to self-
incorporate!!
But not to "stop" allowing to
incorporate another "stolen"
congregation.
THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOOD FOR??????
WHAT ARE YOU GOOD FOR?
ONLY TO "BLOW WHISTLES"?
WELL WE ARE "BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON YOU?
OUCH!!! ABEL TORRES LETTER TO THE GB STEPPED ON SOMEBODY'S TOES!!!!
Continuing For Fairness:
We would ALL appreciate it if you would put your name at the end of your comment in order for it to be Valid!
Thank you
Le agradeceriamos mucho si puede poner su nombre al terminar su comentario para que sea considerado valido!
Gracias
Woa found this old blogg that "Continuing for fairness" uncovered. It says,
"Hey don't knock Bishop Torres down! Here in AZ we love him also. He's been helping and counseling our Pastor for months. He was even upset when our Pastor was removed form the AWA board. Why do you think Bishop Torres didn't show up at the AWA Mesa, conference? Because he was upset with the other board members just like we were. That's why none of us showed up!
Keep it up Bishop Torres, we love you in AZ, and our PAstor does too!
January 6, 2010 2:24 PM"
This is enough for anybody that knows tafoya to be suspecious of Torres. Guilty by association! If Torres is smart and wise, he will stay far, far away from tafoya, or else his reputation will be ruined. Now I wander why he really writes those letters to the AA GB, and why only his letters can get posted in www.apostolicassembly.info site. Torres your slipping stay away from that fool.
This mess between Iglesia Apostolica from Mexico and the AA Inc. Was created by President Vizcarra and President Reyes. And not President Baldemar Rodriguez.
That's when the mexican church came into existence in the USA.
Reyes was Igleisa Apostolica president and Bro. Vizacarra was the AA Inc. president.
So the AA went to Mexico and Mexico
came to the USA. Es la Historia!
Coming Out: The majority of the comments made on this blog with the exception of a few who have included their name in it are not Valid!
With the exception of Abel Torres who has sent those letters to the GB with his name written on it. The rest of the comments here on this blog are HEARSAY!
Entonces ningun presidente de la AA
o cualquier organizacion NO, NO puede tener Amigos!!! sean malos o
buenos...
Tu tienes amigos!!!!
ComingOut if we do guilt by association then all you aa members and Board members and Pastor's are all guilty of drinking, clubing, have wild parties and so on.
So while you make associations lets make the big your leaders are leading you to hell so I guess you all are going to hell because of guilty by association.
Thank you and Good night Seattle.
Continuing for fairness tell you Pastor Artie out of Dallas that us Gbers say hello.
Love you Artie looks like a rat sanchez.
Good night Dallas
Word is beginning to spread that Continuing for fairness is none other that Mr. Arturo Espinoza, the Scretary of Missions who rumors have it took over $1,000,000 from the E. Palo Alto church. The Pastor who took over, Joe Prado, tried to present a complaint with all the proof, but President Sanchez, his brother-in-law, and the rest of the GB would not allow it. They have never audited him. He is a prime candidate for an audit. He thinks everybody is like him. If you don't believe it, call Pastor Joe Prado. He is now having problems there because he hasn't been able to do anything about it. His hands are tied.
Wow.... As if all of you didn't know the history of the sanchez....
one is an serious adulterer
one is a serious child molestor
one is a serious thief (money-work)
one is a serious deciever (GB)
now you know how artie gets away with it all his shinanigans......
and all the pastors look the other way... extend their hands out for money....
WHAT IS GOIING TO HAPPEN NEXT:
WE DO NOT SEE YOU SIGN YOUR NAME EITHER...
WE DO NOT NEED 'ATTENTION, NOR
RECOGNITION" FOR "SELF" AS
ABEL TORRES DOES BY WRITING AND SIGNING HIS NAME:
CUANDO PERO CUANDO VA A ENTENDER ABEL TORRES, QUE CON HABER DEMANDO A LA ASAMBLEA YA ESTA "CESADO"..
DE EL MINISTERIO DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISOT JESUS INC.
'CUANDO'???
Ninguna corte en este paiz va a
"desolver" una corporacion por un reclamo de (4) individos.
Si hubieran esperado en Dios y
haber "hecho demanda verbal" con toda la Asamblea no hubiera quedado fuera.
Pero Abel Torres "sigue" Y SEGUIRA HASTA EL FIN... escribiendo y haciendo "recomendaciones" a la mesa directiva, cuando ya no es Ministro de la Asamblea.
Se firma.......si sabesmos porque no quiere que la MESA DIRECTIVA LO OLVIDE!!
"DICE AQUI AQUI AQUI ESTOY"..
Pero porque no corrigui a su cunado el esposo de su cunada por parte de la esposa de Abel Torres?
Que porque fue "ordenado" por tres meses a la recomendacion de un amigo que disque de Abel Torres, \
que Abel Torres recruto para La Aliansa Apostolica., y ahora el cunado de Abel Torres establecio un "obra nueva" a dos cuadras de la iglesia que "dividio".
Ya se incorporo, por la instucciones de la Aliansa.,
Y despues lo dejan solos, que el cunado le haga "una division" y aun se llevo los instrumentos musicos y 4-5 familias.
Esto es en lo que se devia de consentrar Abel Torres, y no en escribir cartas, firmas.
Porque en verdad es un "relajo" para el porque nos indica que "quiere attencion!"
Y todavia esta enojado porque
Joel Montes sigue en fila, y
recibiendo attencion de la Mesa
Direcctiva!
Que lastima que estan con ninieras!!
solo por attention!!!
"Aqui estoy, aqui estoy, aqui estoy"!!!!
Le oro a Dios para que Dios le de 'PAZ'.
Y RESINACION!
"YA"
TO DON'T KNOW'
Well dear brother, let me tell you so you "CAN KNOW".
When Presidente Vizcarra was in office, he told me personally
that he had "never" worked with
such a disagreeable,problematic
person as Baldemar Rodriguez!
Presiding Bishop Vizcarra, would have never ever "demanded by letters" that "no Pastor from La Iglesia de Mexico was to be "permitted" to stand behind the "Podium" of an Apostolic Assembly Church.
Many AA Pastors left., because "they" had relatives who these Pastors could not receive.
OR THEIR CREDENTIALS WOULD BE TAKEN FROM THEM!!
Eventhough President Vizcarra was
Presiding Bishop, Baldemar ruled!
The one counting the votes on la "Desclaificdora were Contreras, Abel Jimenez, who now pastors the "taken away church" from Brother Baldemar in San Bernardino.!
How things "go around".!!!!
Abel Jimenez and David Conteras were the "body guards of Brother Baldemar...
Over 100 pastors exited the AA during that 23 year reign!!
Even some that are now in AWA!
AND (HISPANIC) UPC)
So don't try to "white wash" them as you do not know.
Brother Baldemar "trained, taught, and infruated the "corruption" of la "Claificadora" and Ismael del Campo "learned" and brought in the CID another "corruption."
As long as these two "croruptions"
are enforced. NOTHING WILL CHANGE!!
WE ALL LEARNED GOOD!!!
We are so sorry all this happens.
But when "injustice" such as what was done TO the Pastor in Texas, by the brother in law of Brother Abel Torres...
And Abel Torres is "out" for days in "face book" and writing letters for "RECOGNITION".
AND "RECOMMENDATIONS"..(SUGGESTIONS) Ponecias!!!
TO THE AA GB., THEN THAT SHOWS, DESPERATION!!!
Abel Torres IS NO LONGER A MINISTER OF THE AA., BY CHOICE... HE SUED THE AA.
II CORINTOS 6:11.
AND when NOTHING IS DONE TO HELP THIS PASTOR IN TEXAS. THEN WE GET VERY ANGRY.
Where are the AWA "advisors?"
Where are the AWA "recruitors",
Where are the AWA preachers and
teachers?
On "face book".....
And writing letters of "demands and "recognition", for "self".
Wow:
It is not a laughing matter.
It is very discouraging because so
many Pastors have great hopes for the AWA., and now what???
1.Imagine??
how would you feel?
Hoping you 'NOW KNOW'
(DON'T KNOW)
GOD BLESS YOU!!!
It is obvious that FAIRNESS is batting for the endangered species, the Sancez and Valverde lead GB. He is just throwing all kinds of stuff out the window to try and distract people from the real problem. The real problem is the fraud of the elections of 2006,but there are many other problems as well. Leaders like Sanchez and Pacheco who can't even get along with their daughters are trying to lead an organization. If they threw out their own family, no wonder they want to throw out so many Pastors. Healthy families? Then there is the problem of the monies taken by Arturo Espinoza. It is rumored to be over one million. When is that going to be looked into? Let Joe Prado give them the complaint. He has it ready. FAIRNESS will you encourage your GB colleagues to take care of those matters and more that I am going to bring up?
Continuing for fairness. Look my dear fake friend becasue that is all the Gb really is.
I know you are Artie Espinoza so do not try and full me.
Brother I am a member from that church you are talking about and you know what of course Pastor was hurt which Pastor is not hurt when they care for members that leave.
It is one thing for a member to leave because they want to work. And another because members leave their church because the Pastor is as guilty as the GB of corruption.
Why do you think art ran to Dallas he had so much dirt on him there in Cali? Dont lie I have done my research.
You my brother are causing a spirit of division. The whole board has caused a spirit of division.
When God is not with you everything goes wrong and you all are experimenting the hand of God.
I go to Pastor Lamas church and we are happy for the new work that is growing because the work is of the Lord's and it is still growing.
Unlike you all you all are mad because the work is falling to pieces because you all were not operating on Gods spirit you where operating under your own fleshy spirit.
So brother if you want to bring up dirt let us all turn the Palo Alto church and ask and you all will see for yourselfs why this man feld to texas.
CONTINUING FOR FAIRNESS:
Amigo, "estas dando las ultimas patadas de ahogado."
Whatever comment I make regarding the GB doesn't matter anymore if it's valid or not because Abel Torres has already taken care of that through his letters AND with his NAME on it! Believe me he's GOT us ALL WELL INFORMED!! I'm sure you wish you GB could do the same. BUT HOW? You don't have any foundation to stand on!! I am sure you guys would like to get a hold of the person or persons who are well informing Abel Torres! Allow me to make a suggestion. Next time you meet behind CLOSED DOORS you might look around for that FLY THAT'S FLYING AROUND IN THE ROOM!!
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Continuing for fairness,
It angers me when supposed Men of God whine about someone stealing members.
Nobody can steal a member, anyone who leaves to attend another church will only do so by his own free will.
And if they leave then maybe something is lacking at the other church, or the Pastor just does not appreciate them.
I have seen it happen all the time, the power that Pastors wield, " If they dont like you they will never set you aside.
Thats why we have so many problems all of the ego trips and power and money hungry Pastors that were appointed by a relative and were never truly called by God or never annointed.
What in the world are you expecting of the AWA ?
It is not like the Assembly it is a Fellowship not an Organization structured like the AA.
Why do you feel the need for a GB to hold your hand ? What happens is that you are trained to need a GB.
The AA is your crutch and you could not survive without your little club.
As a matter of fact I am of the opinion that many Pastors and Bishops who walk around with their proud noses in the air could never make it in the corporate world.
And if you were to attempt to have a conversation that goes beyond AA fluff. You will find most AA Pastors uneducated, uncultured and very simpleminded.
Their pride is in their suits and positions.
Empty suits full of hot air !
Who needs these silly little Men that think The Body of Christ only encompasses the AA and Hispanics.
You all need an ENCUENTRO!!
Join the Mother of All Cults, G12.
Mecha,
I know where they can get a wholesale discount on buckets and mirrors.
Bola de kool aid drinkers que son !
The AA is like a Clicka !
That's why knucklehead cholos are loyal to their gang cause they want to feel part of something.
Most AA members are the same they know that there are injustices and man made doctrines and legalism.
But do they leave NOOOOOOOO.
Because : " Que dira la gente "
Their going to say im a rebel or backslidden.
So scared of not being a part of the AA. What would they do without it so lost and aimless LOL.
For so many the AA UPC PAW COGIC Assemblies of God has become your God.
Have a truie relationship with Christ people in the AA out of The AA Independanet etc....
Did you escape from the the COO,COO HOUSE!! I am sure Joel and Linda were SURE glad to see you go!
Que haiga un loco un no dos!
ADIOS!!!
to whats never gonna happen as long as you live: your anger betrays you hows that nerve feeling right now pinches you huh yeah you didnt like it huh bro quiroz girl friday the apostolic caca flinger throwing all the aa mess around from 1970 and beyond no sabes colgar el telefono para reportarlo aqui
MeGustaChismear it is hard to see how such an educated family could all of a sudden become uneducated.
You have surpised me with your new level of vocabulary. I am not sure what is more funny what WIGTHN has told you the truth and you don't like it. Or the fact that one person can control you so much no wonder the AA needs help.
To ENRIQUE (HENRY)
You are very "right" no one can "steal of rob" a member!
And also you are very right that
truly there are some Pastors
that are "very cruel" and domineering and controlling and
right down mean and legalista,
Like Quiroz was and is).
And this is a "free country" and
anyone can go worship where ever "one pleases"!
But in this case in Texas where
the brother in law of Abel Torres,
who is the husband of the sister of Abel Torres wife.
Well in this case the Pastor that was "betrayed" by the bass player
deacon, who had "only been ordained" three months., and "decided" to go and "set up a church" and self incorporate (two)
blocks from the Pastor's established church, to associate, affiliate, communicate, and be part of the "Newly recruited" AWA
Pastors.
This and only this does not look "promising to the "other summoned,
"recruitee Pastors who are called daily to "join" the AWA newly formed establishment.!
Sure every Pastor is to incorporate indepentENly, automus,
self maintaining, self what ever.
No Tithes of tithes, no Flor Azul, no Mano a Mano etcs., and etcs..
Great promises.........But.....
when a novice deacon ordained three months, surprises the Pastor
that "had trust" in the deacon and
recommends him for "ordination" so he can "be in the ministry of helps".
And the deacon bass player, goes out and "contacts" the "recruitors" for the AWA, that he wants to "be a Pastor"
So then "incorporating instructions are "given to him" and wammo!!!
He is now a "recognized" Pastor for the AWA. Takes the instruments and the "screaming" daughter that controlled the "church",THAT they left
behind.
Now we ask?
Two blocks away? takes the instruments? does not notify the Pastor, of this dashed decision???
This man is Abel Torres's brother
in law, married to the sister of
Abel Torres wife!
Since the AWA does "not Meddle" in the churches decisions of the AWA, that Abel Torres fellowships with;
then if Abel Torres cannot "MEDDLE" NOR GIVE "support" that Pastor, whom Abel Torres recruited from the AA to the AWA
and THAT "WOUNDED PASTOR THAT has been Abel Torres' friend, and thought of Abel Torres, as "human" "sweet" caring and concern over allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllthe AA's problems and as he calls himself the "LIBERATOR" that is going to "DEFEND" THE "RIGHTS" OF THE AA'S MEMBERS AND RESCUE THE "SLAVED PASTORS"...
THEN WE ASK....."WHY CAN"T HE TAKE "INTERVENE AND HELP" THE WOUNDED PASTOR WHO WAS BETRAYED BY HIS BROTHER IN LAW, THROUGH SISTERS?
"WHY"...BECAUSE WITH ABEL TORRES..
ITS SELF, "SELFISH SELF" AND MORE "SELF"
"JOEL MONTES, AND THE SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO ETC.,THAT IS ALL ABEL TORRES HAS "DREAMS ABOUT"!!
THEN WHY JOIN THE AWA???
ITS GOOD FOR NOTHING., NO TAX..
NO REPRESENTATION!!!
THAT IS VERY TRUE IN EERY SOCIETY!
IF WE DO NOT PAY TAXES THEN WE HAVE NO "REPRESENTATION".
WE PRAY EVERY DAY FOR ABEL TORRES, TO "FIND" HIMSELF...PEACE...
WISDOM!
GOD HAVE MERCY!
Hey Fairness.
Just got an electronic message from Odessa that Able Torres called an
urgent meeting with the Martin De Los Campos, his brother in law who set up a church two blocks from the church he left with the hurt Pastor.
Word goes that the Pastor of the church the Martin de Los Campos used to attend will also be present.
Apparently Able Torres got alot of
pressure from the rest of the AWA
Leaders that this was looking bad for them.
Word also goes that Dalia Torres and her sister Delores have always had disputes, because Delores always wanted to have a popular husband and activist husband like
Able Torres.
The Martin De los Campos left the AA because of the district Bishop of the AA did not approve Martin de los Campos because the Bishop felt he did not have a calling.
So in order to make things easy, they joined the AWA and now he is a Pastor that was quickly done in three months.
But he is very upset because Able Torres is demanding him to move over closer to Grand Prairre where the Martin de los Campos live.
So relax bloggers and especially you Fairness, they got the Message.
Able Torres did it again.
Never fails.
Now they can recruit more AA Pastors who will have confidence in the AWA christian support.
Continuing For Fairness:
There's a good ole country song that goes like this and is dedicated to you from the Pastor in Dallas. I'm sure you know his name. I do!!!
"Mind your own business,
Mind your own business
Because the day you mind
your own business is the
day you won't be minding mine."
Don't worry too much about him. He's doing fine and moving on.
In case you didn't know he said the instrutments belonged to this "del Campo" guy. He said he hated to see them go because he was his right-hand but I'm sure other pastors have gone through the same thing like Alex22 said "what pastors like to see their members go?"
So I was just wondering alamo and fairness who is the husband and who is the wife because both of you all have the info wrong. So I know you all have to be married to be supporting each other.
City of Alamo too:
Does your daddy know that you are minding his businss as well.
Somebody's going to have to tell him and he ain't going to be a very happy camper!
Like the song goes
your the "Lilly" of the valley." Does that sound familiar to you?
Alamo you seem to know the family well but not that God because Pastor Torres is from Midland not Oddessa lol.
You seem to know they family so well.
Makes we wonder if you are a friend or used to be friend of theirs. The kids that is because you do speak like I child.
What going to happen next:
Of course that nice Pastor has
accepted what Los Campos did to
him. What can he do?
After all De Los Campos is related
by marriage to Abel Torres and that Pastor does
not want any more problems.
He is a kind gentleman and very
knowledgeable of the word and highly educated. So he has
to be careful.
But we all know that it was not
"fair" that he trusted the deacon, and they did that to him.
What's going to happen is that
the AWA will lack confidence from others that wanted to join.
The AA District Bishop of Texas where the Los Campos live refused to ordain De Los Campos. That is
why De Los Campos joined the AWA.
That was easy, took 3 months of being ordained.
God have mercy.
It is sad to be "taken advantage" of.
Continuing for Fairness:
This pastor who you say was done wrong is Pastor Victor Lamas, correct and this family del Campo I was told lives way on the other side of town. How big is Dallas including the towns that surround it? How many pastors does the AWA have there? I was told maybe 14 to 15 pastors.
Don't tell me 14 to 15 pastors are going to be able to conquer the whole city! It's just too big of a city. So what is the BIG DEAL if someone wants to go work some place else? Someone said the AWA is no different from the AA. I have to agree. Instead of going out to win souls your too busy fighting and bad mouthing each other. It's a SHAME that a Metropolitan City such as Dallas has very few AA and AWA churches. Talking about pastors with NO VISION! Learn from T.D. Jakes he's NOT waisting any time he's focused!
So "Continue in Fairness" sitting in your rocking chair as you sing your sad song:
"SOMEBODY DONE SOMEBODY WRONG SONG."
Attention---Mr Abel Torres
Or
AA PASTOR THAT REALLY STANDS FOR TRUTH
DID YOU KNOW THAT TO THIS DAY NOT ALL PASTORS KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED......
THEY BELIEVE WHAT THOSE LYING BISHOPS WHO COVER FOR SANCHEZ AND GANG TELL THEM..
THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE......
PRINT THE PICTURE OF THESE SLEAZY PIMPS AND SEND A LETTER TO ALL AA PASTORS. THIS LETTER SHOULD STATE THAT THIS LYING BOARD SHOULD OF STEPPED DOWN BACK WHEN THEY VIOLATED THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR PRIDE. ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THIS LYING BOARD IS NOW COVERING THEIR REARS AND TRYING TO SAVE WHAT LITTLE CREDIT THEY HAVE BY SAYING THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER WILL BE HAVING GB POSITIONS. ITS TOO LATE!!!
THE DAMAGE IS DONE`````
COUNTLESS OF FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SPIRITUALLY WOUNDED. AND NOW THE GB HAS THE ARROGANT AUDACITY TO SAY WE WILL HAVE A COMPLETE NEW BOARD IN SEPTEMBER. YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE DOING THIS...MONEY!!!!!
MONEY AIN'T COMING IN LIKE BEFORE.
AND A RIVER OF LAWSUITS ARE SOON TO FLOOD THE AA FOR SO MANY UNETHICAL VIOLATIONS FROM THEIR PRIMITIVE CONSTITUTION.
EXAMPLE-- GAY RIGHTS IN THE AA.
BOTTOMLINE~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ALL YOU AA PASTORS HAVE NO BACKBONE. YOU COULD OF PREVENTED THIS MESS BY SPEAKING UP- INSTEAD YOU LOOKED THE OTHER WAY.
STOP BLAMING EACH OTHER ON THIS BLOG...YOU ARE JUST ENTERTAINING THE DEVIL IN ALL OF YOU....
LOOK UP TO THE HILLS WHERE YOUR STRENGTH COMES FROM... TRUST IN GOD NOT IN MEN WITH PERSONAL INTEREST.
KNOWLEDGE IS KING!!!!
THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!!!
THERE IS A TRUE CHURCH THAT FEARS AND DOES FOLLOW TRUTH NOT RELIGION.
~~~~~APOSTOLICOWBOY~~~~
Attention---Mr Abel Torres
Or
AA PASTOR THAT REALLY STANDS FOR TRUTH
DID YOU KNOW THAT TO THIS DAY NOT ALL PASTORS KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED......
THEY BELIEVE WHAT THOSE LYING BISHOPS WHO COVER FOR SANCHEZ AND GANG TELL THEM..
THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE......
PRINT THE PICTURE OF THESE SLEAZY PIMPS AND SEND A LETTER TO ALL AA PASTORS. THIS LETTER SHOULD STATE THAT THIS LYING BOARD SHOULD OF STEPPED DOWN BACK WHEN THEY VIOLATED THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR PRIDE. ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THIS LYING BOARD IS NOW COVERING THEIR REARS AND TRYING TO SAVE WHAT LITTLE CREDIT THEY HAVE BY SAYING THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER WILL BE HAVING GB POSITIONS. ITS TOO LATE!!!
THE DAMAGE IS DONE`````
COUNTLESS OF FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SPIRITUALLY WOUNDED. AND NOW THE GB HAS THE ARROGANT AUDACITY TO SAY WE WILL HAVE A COMPLETE NEW BOARD IN SEPTEMBER. YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE DOING THIS...MONEY!!!!!
MONEY AIN'T COMING IN LIKE BEFORE.
AND A RIVER OF LAWSUITS ARE SOON TO FLOOD THE AA FOR SO MANY UNETHICAL VIOLATIONS FROM THEIR PRIMITIVE CONSTITUTION.
EXAMPLE-- GAY RIGHTS IN THE AA.
BOTTOMLINE~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ALL YOU AA PASTORS HAVE NO BACKBONE. YOU COULD OF PREVENTED THIS MESS BY SPEAKING UP- INSTEAD YOU LOOKED THE OTHER WAY.
STOP BLAMING EACH OTHER ON THIS BLOG...YOU ARE JUST ENTERTAINING THE DEVIL IN ALL OF YOU....
LOOK UP TO THE HILLS WHERE YOUR STRENGTH COMES FROM... TRUST IN GOD NOT IN MEN WITH PERSONAL INTEREST.
KNOWLEDGE IS KING!!!!
THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!!!
THERE IS A TRUE CHURCH THAT FEARS AND DOES FOLLOW TRUTH NOT RELIGION.
~~~~~APOSTOLICOWBOY~~~~
Attention---Mr Abel Torres
Or
AA PASTOR THAT REALLY STANDS FOR TRUTH
DID YOU KNOW THAT TO THIS DAY NOT ALL PASTORS KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED......
THEY BELIEVE WHAT THOSE LYING BISHOPS WHO COVER FOR SANCHEZ AND GANG TELL THEM..
THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE......
PRINT THE PICTURE OF THESE SLEAZY PIMPS AND SEND A LETTER TO ALL AA PASTORS. THIS LETTER SHOULD STATE THAT THIS LYING BOARD SHOULD OF STEPPED DOWN BACK WHEN THEY VIOLATED THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR PRIDE. ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THIS LYING BOARD IS NOW COVERING THEIR REARS AND TRYING TO SAVE WHAT LITTLE CREDIT THEY HAVE BY SAYING THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER WILL BE HAVING GB POSITIONS. ITS TOO LATE!!!
THE DAMAGE IS DONE`````
COUNTLESS OF FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SPIRITUALLY WOUNDED. AND NOW THE GB HAS THE ARROGANT AUDACITY TO SAY WE WILL HAVE A COMPLETE NEW BOARD IN SEPTEMBER. YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE DOING THIS...MONEY!!!!!
MONEY AIN'T COMING IN LIKE BEFORE.
AND A RIVER OF LAWSUITS ARE SOON TO FLOOD THE AA FOR SO MANY UNETHICAL VIOLATIONS FROM THEIR PRIMITIVE CONSTITUTION.
EXAMPLE-- GAY RIGHTS IN THE AA.
BOTTOMLINE~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ALL YOU AA PASTORS HAVE NO BACKBONE. YOU COULD OF PREVENTED THIS MESS BY SPEAKING UP- INSTEAD YOU LOOKED THE OTHER WAY.
STOP BLAMING EACH OTHER ON THIS BLOG...YOU ARE JUST ENTERTAINING THE DEVIL IN ALL OF YOU....
LOOK UP TO THE HILLS WHERE YOUR STRENGTH COMES FROM... TRUST IN GOD NOT IN MEN WITH PERSONAL INTEREST.
KNOWLEDGE IS KING!!!!
THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!!!
THERE IS A TRUE CHURCH THAT FEARS AND DOES FOLLOW TRUTH NOT RELIGION.
~~~~~APOSTOLICOWBOY~~~~
Pastors!!!!
Apply GOD's money in your church!!!
Invest in your children!!!!
Invest in the Kingdom of GOD!!!!
Attention---Mr Abel Torres
Or
AA PASTOR THAT REALLY STANDS FOR TRUTH
DID YOU KNOW THAT TO THIS DAY NOT ALL PASTORS KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED......
THEY BELIEVE WHAT THOSE LYING BISHOPS WHO COVER FOR SANCHEZ AND GANG TELL THEM..
THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE......
PRINT THE PICTURE OF THESE SLEAZY PIMPS AND SEND A LETTER TO ALL AA PASTORS. THIS LETTER SHOULD STATE THAT THIS LYING BOARD SHOULD OF STEPPED DOWN BACK WHEN THEY VIOLATED THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR PRIDE. ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THIS LYING BOARD IS NOW COVERING THEIR REARS AND TRYING TO SAVE WHAT LITTLE CREDIT THEY HAVE BY SAYING THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER WILL BE HAVING GB POSITIONS. ITS TOO LATE!!!
THE DAMAGE IS DONE`````
COUNTLESS OF FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SPIRITUALLY WOUNDED. AND NOW THE GB HAS THE ARROGANT AUDACITY TO SAY WE WILL HAVE A COMPLETE NEW BOARD IN SEPTEMBER. YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE DOING THIS...MONEY!!!!!
MONEY AIN'T COMING IN LIKE BEFORE.
AND A RIVER OF LAWSUITS ARE SOON TO FLOOD THE AA FOR SO MANY UNETHICAL VIOLATIONS FROM THEIR PRIMITIVE CONSTITUTION.
EXAMPLE-- GAY RIGHTS IN THE AA.
BOTTOMLINE~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ALL YOU AA PASTORS HAVE NO BACKBONE. YOU COULD OF PREVENTED THIS MESS BY SPEAKING UP- INSTEAD YOU LOOKED THE OTHER WAY.
STOP BLAMING EACH OTHER ON THIS BLOG...YOU ARE JUST ENTERTAINING THE DEVIL IN ALL OF YOU....
LOOK UP TO THE HILLS WHERE YOUR STRENGTH COMES FROM... TRUST IN GOD NOT IN MEN WITH PERSONAL INTEREST.
KNOWLEDGE IS KING!!!!
THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!!!
THERE IS A TRUE CHURCH THAT FEARS AND DOES FOLLOW TRUTH NOT RELIGION.
~~~~~APOSTOLICOWBOY~~~~
The AA has Gay Rights.
Ever hear of GB5!
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT:
You are certainly "correct" when you say that there should be an AA
and an AWA church in every corner of a great Metropolias as Dallas, with more than 5 million people.
Correct, correct, agreed.
But you missed the "point" on this particular thing.
The Los de los Campos may live far from the church of the Pastor that was betrayed. But that's the thing.
Why didn't the deacon Bass player, from the very beginning when he was with the AA go out and start an "obra"? If the Bishop of the AA in his area did not approve, the deacon could have "gone on his own" if the calling to Pastor was so "great".
Many very Active Pastors have "done just that".
Why wait till he is "ordained" upon the "recommendation" three months.... after the bass player was ordined,and then "take" the instruments and 4-5 families to the "new Obra", when there are "over five million people in the Dallas area.
Why didn't the bass start as the Pastor that he betrayed., with no "stolen sheep"?
There is just "no respect" from behave of the bass player De los del Campo, to This betrayed Pastor!
If De Los del Campos was the "right hand man", as you said, to the Pastor, then apparently they were "good friends"?
As the saying goes" with friends like De Los del Campo, who needs
ENEMIES?
Sorry, you "just don't get it".
Its all about "respect, ministerial ethics., and of course
who is a "friend, right hand man" and goes and starts "a new obra",
two blocks from the Pastor's church, that was betrayed?
Its called, greed and self.
We will be anxious to get "your"
reply.
And we"ll say "HE STILL DOES NOT GET IT."
Concerning T.D. Jakes.We watch his programs on T.V. and his ministry and programs is "geared for Blacks."
If you need those services, good for you!
Bottom line....Where is Abel Torres, the "Deliverer the defendor, of the "menospreciados"?
Take care of the AWA Abel Torres,
before Sanchez and the rest hear
about your neglect to the newly
"recruited" Pastors to the AA.
Where is your defense to betrayed
Pastors, that the deacon cannot find a "locale" in the entire Metropolian vast terrain, that he
had to "select" two blocks from the "betrayed" Pastor to "plant the new obra, with stolen Sheep?
You still don't get it?
Well go pray, get off "face book" and take care of "your friends".
They really "need you".
Remember "you are "their right hand man too."
We will pray for all of you that you "see the light, on this matter.
Its a matter of principle,a matter of respect, and a matter of Christian trust to God's work!
Okay so after much contemplation I decided that I should write enough with the fighting it is pointless. Instead of the church growing many of you are too focused with the Pastor Torres. Do not get me wrong I certainly appreciate what he did. However you all are so focused on this man. You all are so focused on this man and what he is doing that you all have no time to allow God to help you achieve what he has called us to do. So what if the church is two blocks down the road which after much research I can guarantee that is in another city. Away from the church it is more like 30 minutes away not two blocks.
You all cannot get over it enough to do what God has called us to do. You need to release that spirit once and for all. Things happen move on it is too late to change anything. I think you all are so desperate to take down one man all because he is honest and not hypocritical like many of you all here.
I know the GB motives behind why they do things. You all don’t have to believe in this man or not because God is showing us that he is with him. You can trash talk all you want but you cannot deny what God is doing in the life of this man.
Continuing stop playing I am calling you out because I know you are Art Espinoza I know your past and you of all people are the last one to talk about Brother Torres with a history like yours. Stop pretending you are spiritual.
The work of the Lord doubles through disagreement if you don’t believe that look and Paul and Barnabas. Who did they argue over? They were split on their beliefs and Paul went his way and Barnabas went his way. What started happening? The work of the Lord doubled.
If you all keep trying to bring down one man the Lord is going to bring you down. Not only is he going to but he is bringing you down. Ever person that seems to talk about this man looses their cool. Look at the Pastor you sent he talked about Pastor Torres. He said in Six months Pastor Torres was going to lose his mind. It is almost six months since he said that and look at all the trouble that has come on him. I am not wishing the brother bad I am just stating fact.
I am not as spiritual as I would like to be but you all that are trying to take down these men all because it is not in your favor grow up spiritually.
Live a Christ like life not this life that you all are currently living.
Marin del Campo? He is the one who came up with the CID? He is a member of the corrupt GB. His name is Ismael Martin del Campo.
~~~~~ WELCOME BACK ~~~~~~~
I'M TALKING TO YOU PASTOR THAT CONTINUES TO COME TO THIS BLOG TO CHECK THE LATEST AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CAHONES TO SPEAK UP......
YOU WILL WITNESS HOW SO MUCH NEED THERE WILL BE FROM OUR FELLOW CHILE BRETHREN.
YOU WILL NOTICE HOW MUCH YOUR GB DOES CARE. WHILE THEY SIT IN THIER MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, WITH THIER THOUSAND DOLLAR SUITS, HUNDRED DOLLAR SHOES AND TIES THAT THEY PROBABLY BOUGHT IN CHILE. AND NOW WHILE PEOPLE STARVE AND ARE IN DYING NEED OF ASSISTANCE YOU WILL WITNESS GREED AT ITS FINEST.
PASTOR~~~~ THE ONLY REASON YOU DON'T SPEAK UP ... MAYBE, JUST MAYBE... YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF DOING THE UNTHINKABLE....
DANIEL 5:27 Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
IN OTHER WORD'S STAND FOR TRUTH
~~~~~ WELCOME BACK ~~~~~~~
I'M TALKING TO YOU PASTOR THAT CONTINUES TO COME TO THIS BLOG TO CHECK THE LATEST AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CAHONES TO SPEAK UP......
YOU WILL WITNESS HOW SO MUCH NEED THERE WILL BE FROM OUR FELLOW CHILE BRETHREN.
YOU WILL NOTICE HOW MUCH YOUR GB DOES CARE. WHILE THEY SIT IN THIER MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, WITH THIER THOUSAND DOLLAR SUITS, HUNDRED DOLLAR SHOES AND TIES THAT THEY PROBABLY BOUGHT IN CHILE. AND NOW WHILE PEOPLE STARVE AND ARE IN DYING NEED OF ASSISTANCE YOU WILL WITNESS GREED AT ITS FINEST.
PASTOR~~~~ THE ONLY REASON YOU DON'T SPEAK UP ... MAYBE, JUST MAYBE... YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF DOING THE UNTHINKABLE....
DANIEL 5:27 Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
IN OTHER WORD'S STAND FOR TRUTH
!!!DON'T SEND GOD'S MONEY TO GB!!!!!
!!!SEND IT DIRECTLY TO CHILE!!!
~~~~~ WELCOME BACK ~~~~~~~
I'M TALKING TO YOU PASTOR THAT CONTINUES TO COME TO THIS BLOG TO CHECK THE LATEST AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CAHONES TO SPEAK UP......
YOU WILL WITNESS HOW SO MUCH NEED THERE WILL BE FROM OUR FELLOW CHILE BRETHREN.
YOU WILL NOTICE HOW MUCH YOUR GB DOES CARE. WHILE THEY SIT IN THIER MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, WITH THIER THOUSAND DOLLAR SUITS, HUNDRED DOLLAR SHOES AND TIES THAT THEY PROBABLY BOUGHT IN CHILE. AND NOW WHILE PEOPLE STARVE AND ARE IN DYING NEED OF ASSISTANCE YOU WILL WITNESS GREED AT ITS FINEST.
PASTOR~~~~ THE ONLY REASON YOU DON'T SPEAK UP ... MAYBE, JUST MAYBE... YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF DOING THE UNTHINKABLE....
DANIEL 5:27 Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
IN OTHER WORD'S STAND FOR TRUTH
the AA in Haiti
http://www.youtube.com/user/apostolicassembly#p/a/u/0/pHFwZDQ01no
The AA and Espinoza trying to look like respectable men of God by passing out food in Haiti. Couldn't his airfare and lodgeing expense gone for buying food for Haiti instead of putting the we care show on.
Who they going to send to Chile to try and look like a saint? Saint Eddie or the pope himself Sanchez.
What a bunch of washed out greedy power hungry people.
I hate to be in their shoes when God calls them out on their sins.
If you did't take that money from Palo Alto ARTIE. Why are you hiding in Dallas?
Mire el video en youtube the Espinoza en Haiti! Bola de payasos andan tratando de reparar destrozos hechos por la naturaleza en tierras lejanas! Como no se ponen a reparar el dano que le han hecho a la AA ellos mismos! Bola de retardados! Yo se porque Espinoza anda en Haiti porque le gustan las morenitas! Se acuerdan cuando estuvo en Odessa como se metio en problemas con la morenita Bertha Quin? Y luego salio corriendo! Obispo Secretario mis patas!
Yes Mr. Espinoza tell us about the young lady Bertha Quinn.
Tell about the near to $1,000,000 that were missing when you left P.A.
Muchas personas han escrito en estos blogs, para dar a conocer lo que se esta expiermentando el la Asamblea Apostolica por muchos anos. FRAUDE EN LAS ELECCIONES!
Podemos ver que con mucho sacrificio,oracion y ayunos se formo esta Iglesia para que el Pueblo de Dios se pueda ruinir juntamente para Alabar el nombre Santo de Dios.
Pero al tratar de engrandecerse LOS HOMBRES y por tantos "HOMENAJES" que necesita el hombre carnal, ha tratado de darse realse y escojer de entrar al Ministerio de esta Iglesia, ahora mas que nunca.
LOS HOMBRES"CARNALES" han puesto sobre
carga a los miembros de La Iglesia, sobre pesados por hacerse
ricos y obtener logros materialmente que no es gusto, porque tiene que "sobre cargar" a la grey.
Cuando se le escribi a Sanchez y se le ruega, como "Honorable" Destinguido Obispo Presidente de la gran obra de Dios.
Se le sube al "cholo" a la cabeza mas carnalidad, y mas se encapricha
en sus berinches.
Porque es un hombre "diabolico! endemoniado juntamente con toda su mesa directiva corrupta.
Hombres que no tienen education, ni formal, ni espiritual ni temor a Dios.
Pero cuando los Pastores salen de la AA para la AWA, esperando que se le oriente bien, y se les quite el "yugo" de enviar mas y mas dinero, entonces cuando se holle decir
que en La Aliansa, tambien Abel Torres desepciono a una hermano Pastor de Dallas, que el CUNADO de Torres hizo una division. Entonces preguntamos....
Porque tanta CARTA de condenar a la Mesa Directiva de parte de Abel Torres,
PARA DARSE MAS HA CONOCER COMO "HERO" cuando no hay ningun apoyo para el Pastor de Dallas que hasta los instrumentos se llevo el deacono CUNADO de Abel Torres.!
Cristo ya viene, y todavia no hay arrepientimiento de estos individos.
Baldemar tambien uso la "calificora" por 23 anos.
Que pasa Patores? Porque no despiertan?
Oren y ayunen..REPRENDAN!
Comentario de Alamo City too:
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NO ES VALIDO
Comment made by Alamo City too:
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NOT VALID
With all the calamities that are going on in The Planet Earth, one would think that the AWA and the AA would repent and seek God's face!
we pray for other countries and even visit them, and we see so much destruction.
But here in the U.S. We find
immature like Abel Torres "blew the whistle" because as the Pastors say in the state where Abel Torres lives, "Don't mess with Texas".
Abel is "spoiled" and also Joel Montes, comes from a very poor and humble parents that live in Torreon, two "mimados"., "mi hitos"
when they "locked" antlers in Long Beach. Abel Torres could "care for nothing" else but "destroy", the AA and Joel Montes was the excuse!
To win in popularity with Joel Montes who had been "set up for "patsy" as an "IDIOT" at the Fraud elections.
In retaliation Baldemar and Torres, sued. Baldemar "had benefited from the same "school of thought" for 23 years WITH G.B.
But now that "others" could but he could not" Then "lets sue"
For what? With Abel Torres "telling his anguish that he suffers daily, from "lack of attention" from Joelito, from Torreon & from the AA.
Letters, & letters, and not anonymous, but "signed" so we can all know that he is "bold, couragous and a national Hero!
Wow!
So now is Abel helping with "support and concern" to the Pastor in Dallas from the AWA that a "split" was made by his brother the De los Campos?
There should be 2,000 or more churches of the AA and AWA in Dallas to "reach over 6 million people..
But don't "rob" the sheep of another Pastors work nor take the instruments!
Abel keeps calling AA Pastors to join them in Denver, Colo. for "the convention".
What for?
NOT TO defend them when some incites a division within the AWA.
Where are "your" "PONENCIAS", now
Abel?
Grow up. Leave it to God and get a Life!
You are out!. Accept it!
You "planned it".you sure did!
Este va para Sanchez, Pacheco y Valverde!
LES quedan los "trajes" elegantes de "Pimps", PERFECTOS!!!! Que for favor no se les valla a olvivar usarlos en la convencion en Anaheim!
Les "lucen" perfectos. Y por favor manden hacerles a las "destenguidas" inguales!
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This message is for Sanchez, Pacheco and Valverde:
Please do not"FORGET" to wear the suits you are wearing in this blog.
My goodness the "pimps" suit fits you perfectly!!FOR THE "FRAUD" ELECTIONS IN ANAHEIM.
YOU WILL BE SURE TO KEEP THE SAME POSITIONS AGAIN!
Please order the same for your
"knocked out halves"..
It is important to keep in mind "birds of feather, "keep together".
See you there! We will take our video cameras!
Now I urge you,brethren, note those who cause "DIVISIONS" and offenses, contrary to the DOCTRINE which you LEARNED,and 'AVOID THEM'
For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ,but THEIR OWN BELLY, and by SMOOTH WORDS AND FLATTERING SPEECH DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.
For your "OBEDIENCE"has become known to all.
Therefore Iam glad on your behalf'
but I want you to be "wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil.
And the God of "PEACE" WILL CRUSH SATAN UNDER YOUR FEEL SHORTLY!
THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST BE WITH YOU AMEN.
ROMANS 16: 17-20.
God bless you! Have faith and pray!
To all of you (basically the one guy or gal using the different log in names) that are ranting on AND on AND on AND on AND on AND on AND....well, you get the picture...about the "poor little pastor" in Texas (or wherever he's from) STOP the baloney? Enough of this already. We get that you are upset...but by now you should realize you sound like a crazy, either under/over medicated, current looney bin patient!!! And if you're that pastor, shame on you...find something better to do. Maybe that's the reason you lost the members you did...you spend too much time on this blog, JUST LIKE ME! hahahaaa...
IAMREAL
Oh my gosh now I think I am going to have to go and check out this Pastor's church Abel Torres that is.
You all talk so much about him I really want to meet the man now.
Every five post you all talk about this man.
I have heard of him but you all have made me want to meet him and his family.
You all are just making him so well known.
You all are to much.
IMREAL: Aaaaamen!
Are they still singing that same old song?
"SOMEBODY DONE,SOMEBODY WRONG SONG"
Let's ALL take our VIOLINS out and sing along with them.
No Nonsense: you sound very much like the guy that was sucking up to Abel Aguilar in Midland!! Only one person could be so bitter with Abel Torres! Over here in califas we all know you as Roy Almendariz el huele pedos! Is this you? How's your daddy one eye Bracamontes? Is he still kicking ass over there? Literally speaking! LOL!
huele pedos????
LOL LOL that is funny man.
trophy thing what ever you call yourself.
Here you go again blabbing your mouth, as tries to be from cruces, where you belong and poor people that have to hear your mouth and your giraffe's face.
Why your DNA comes from the WILDS, and you are still "trying to be human". Its too late for that you are "way over the bridge."
You hate the people from the AA AWA, and of course from NFL.
Why you haven't your face around the AA for centuries. because you are soooo despised for your face.
Your wife, that can never do any better, because of her "horrid" back ground, has to stay with you because who else would feed her face!
No wonder people say that you have "no mirrors in your "chante".
gunter:
The reason five or more blogs on Abel Torres, is because he leaves himself "right out" for people to see "right through the need he has to be recognized by the AA and not to be "forgotten"..
After all the "four years are up now" and that is all we have heard from Abel Torres.
PONIENCIAS, PONIENCIAS, AND MORE POINENCIAS. TO THE AA...
Maybe Abel Torres will have pity on himself, get a life and hang around with you "gunter" who will
listen to him, CAUSE THE AA GB SURE WON'T!
FOR FOUR LONG YEARS, LETTERS AND MORE LETTERS., AND STILL YOU GET MAD AT US FOR WRITING A FEW BLOGS.
HE ONLY EXPOSES HIMSELF TO EVERYONE THAT "QUIERE REFAMA!
PLEASE, ACCEPT IT HE CHOSE TO BE "OUSTED" WHEN HE SUED THE AA.
WHAT DID HE EXCEPT A "REWARD".
NO TO THEIR SHAME....NO!
HE IS OUT. AND HE AND SHE SHOULD ACCEPT IT. THAT IS WHAT THEY CHOSE!
SAD...BUT TRUE.
AND DOES HE "HELP OUT THE PASTOR IN DALLAS, WITH THE "DIVISION" AT THE AWA CHURCH...NO..
THEY CLEAN THEIR "HANDS" AND TELL THE PASTOR, "ITS YOUR DUTY" YOU CHOSE TO BE "INDEPENDENT, SO NOW "SUFFER".
ALL WE SAY IS "ITS HIS BROTHER IN LAW THAT CAUSED THE DIVISION, SO ABEL FIX IT OR LEAVE IT!
BUT YOU GUNTER, YOU STILL DON'T GET IT AND YOU "NEVA" WILL!
ok the whole texas thing got old!
word is that the sacramento church is loosing member every service!
the pianist just left and submitted him self to a upc pastor.
also the drummer, and afew other families...this is the same church we were taking about a few days ago that incorporrated locally. they since changed the name of the church again, and deleted their web sites. now they have new web sites that are generic with no pictures or anything. they also changed the name of their bible college. they useto have alot of ministers now they only have the pastor and his nephew. the name listed as the "agent" of contact on their new org. is the church secritary. lots of funny stuff going on with their finances too, anyone else heard this?
Heretic:
Which of the thousand of churches in Sacramento are you "talking about"?
The catholic, lutheran, Presbyterian, Church of Christ, Church of God, Methodist, Amish, AA, AWA or Baptist,SDA, AOG etc.,?
Wanna be clear buddy!
Thanks.
No nonsense: Thank you!!! The tune you and Continuing for Fairnes have been playing for so long has gotten reeeally old! You guys are here throwing your TEMPER TANTRUMS while Abel Torres is having a ball and still writing ALL these interesting and embarrasing letters regarding the GB while you IDIOTS are fighting their battles. I don't see them (GB)on this blog defending you from the attacks you're getting here on the blog!! What a BUNCH OF FOOLS!!!
It sounds like the same old bitter person posting with all his different user names.
The style of writing and habitual mis spelling give you away.
Let go of the bitterness old man.
You claim to be a Pastor.........so get back to the sheep their probably exiting the side door while your worried about The GB and Bro Abel and The AWA.
Okay it is a waste of my time to say anything to you because that is you keep on crying and his name is still recognized.
So sir please stop trying to be all spiritual all of a sudden just get over it Pastor Torres is now a public figure in many churches.
So your attempt to try and make him look bad is just like what the bored tried to do.
Now I have heard more about Torres now than I used to.
IF he wanted a reward he would have taken the bribe that the GB tried to offer him and he would still be in the church their in midland.
So please although I know you are uneducated. Please try to get over yourself for a second and realize that nothing you do is going to phase this man.
I have seen how God blesses that church. As for your churches in the AA.
I have heard many a things that have gone wrong in that church that is still bitter because Abel Torres is not a put on like you guys.
You might think he is all you want but fact says otherwise. So stopping being so bitter and for goodness sake move on with you life.
Unless that is you are so into this man that you have to just keep on talking.
Says a lot about the AA people.
As for the suing part. The AA does it all the time and now they are even auditing..
Not because they are worried but they are trying to see how many properties than can sell to pay back all the Pastor's that are now beating the assembly legally that is.
what is going to happen next,
gunter, Enrique:
Listen you wonderful people....once upon a time the AA., that "helped" you as you are now....
Its not about, this and this and this and that:
Its about that "if" Abel Torres is so happy and content, and so "fulfilled" definately he would
certainly be taking care of "his"
recruits for the AWA!
No one is saying that we do not
"miss" him at the AA. We are NOT
SAYING THAT. We are saying, and
"believe" there are alot of Pastors that wished, Torres would
have "listened" to 'HIS' PARENT
PHILOSOPHY(christian philosophy)
(Bishop Valentin Torres).
HIS FATHER WOULD HAVE NEVER EVER UPON EVER...SUED THE CHURCH THAT ,'HAD GAVE HIS CARACTER, STRUCTURE AND BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE...NEVER, EVER UP ON EVER.
HIS FATHER WOULD HAVE "CONVOCATED" A 40 DAY FAST THOUGHOUT THE AA AND KICKED, BY THE POWER OF GOD , THOSE "CHOLOS" OUT!!!!
We wish, but no its tooooo late
now. TO WISH! ITS DONE, ITS OVER.
1 2 3 STRIKES YOU"RE OUT!
ACCEPT IT!!!
Now, why "write letters of suggestions to the GB?
yOU ARE OUT!
THAT;S THE WAY YOU WANTED IT.
(AND LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING)
YOU DID!
We know Abel Torres "blew it".
He should have never sued.
It does not Pay off in the long
run.
What helps Abel Torres is that he
has a "wonderful" praying family
and especially his sweet and precious wife.
But enough is enough for those poor ladies to be "tormented"
with those letters, that Abel Torres takes "weeks" to write.
And especially that he suffers,
from a "congested heart."
The rivalry between Torres and
Joel Montes, who is "nothing" but
a "spoiled" brat., should stop.
Why? they pretend both of them
to be "so holy", but fighting
among themselves.AS CHILDREN.
WE KNOW FOR SURE, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO, AND ESPECIALLY AGUIRLAR AND MAFFEY AND
PRADO AND DEL CAMPO ARE
OUT!!!!!!
NO WORRY ABOUT THAT!!!!
BUT PLEASE ABEL TORRES , QUIT
FOR 4 LONG YEARS, THE SAME
OLD AND IT IS reallllllllllllllly
getting tooo long and boring.
We know its about JOel and you.
So stop.
Pray like your wonderful wife does, who in reality is the "one"
that "holds" your arms up!
Concentrate on the AWA that "YOU"
AND YOU ALONE "CREATED".
Take care of business there, with
that Pastor in Dallas that was
"betrayed" by your brother in law,
twice removed.
God have mercy!
no sense here we go again lol. You guys must really love this guy because you love to talk about him. Even in the beginning.
Live life enjoy life go be a blessing to someones life.
All I can say is next time I am in texas I know who's church to go to because you all just make they AA look dumb as door nail.
Funny isn't that the members complain about the board but are no smarter then the board you tell everyone to stop living in the past but look at how well you and the other man keep pulling it to life.
Go cry me a river.
Gunter: Let the poor guy "AIR IT OUT!" Where else can an IDIOT that makes NO SENSE go where they can get some kind of attention. Let them comment all they want. They have until April 1st to do so. Once Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco and the rest of the GB kick out more than 250 pastors out of the AA that he said he would do he'll be left on this blog commenting to himself!
In the mean time Abel Torres keep those letters coming! It's making it easier for us to make our decision!
what is going to happen next:
gunter:
We do not need to have the
letter a'coming to know that
the man is "crying out"
"AA I miss and need you Joel.
And why do you need letters
"telling" the AA. To what did you say? "To help "make up"
you make up your mind to
join the AWA?
You are not "going any where",
its the same old...just
over the "mountain" like the
BEAR and found out the "other"
side of the "mountain" was
"all" that he could see.
You "complain" that all we
write is about the "same old"
realllyyyyyyyyy "old" same
old.
Well what do you think,
Abel Torres is doing?
You do not see Daniel Salomon,
nor Saul Avila crying out "hey
GB here are "more" "ponencias"
that you must "follow".
Salomon and Avila are "resolved"
to work for the Lord on the
increase of the AWA.
We do not "trust" Baldemar,
because there would be a stampede,
out of the AA to join the AWA,
but Baldemar "hurt" alot of
People, way back when.
Just ask Saul Avila, what Baldemar
did to his dad Pastor Avila,
when Pastor Avila was pastor
here in Vista.
If Avila, Salomon, Torres,
were alone, they would have
already all 600 churches of the
AA.
But my colleagues tell me.,
"We cannot afford to trust Baldemar"
because of what he "did to so and
so". There were hundreds of Pastors in the AA that left, because "they" thought it was
"hopeless" during Baldemar's reign.
Just as much as Torres thought it
was hopeless with the Sanchez Mafia,
and took it to court.
Well so the story goes.
But what "realllllly" was the
"pebble" on Torres "shoe",
was "nothing" else but Joel
getting so much "attention"
during the "fraud elections".
Just as "boring" as this
sounds to you, and "nothing"
will be redemed! The "same"
will not be "redemed: with
Abel writing letters to the Gb/
They are hopeless...God is our "only refuge in the time of trouble.
He is the one that healed all our infirmities and forgives all our sins. In Jesus Name.
PLEASE ACCEPT ABEL TORRES...ITS THE "WAY YOU PLANNED".
NOW TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION IN DALLAS WITH THE "HURT PASTOR"!
WOW!
One of the Gber's was overheard saying that the problem with the AA was that when they went to messing with Torres, they never imagined that they were waking up a sleeping giant!!! He went on to conclude "we are done no other way out"! "Basically we screwed up"! He was talking to a district bishop. OMG!
The funny thing is that they can take care of one situation you repeating record.
What are you going to do about the six hundred other Pastors that you are not taking care that is all I saying.
I meet many of the kids of the Gbers and they can't even take care of their house so why are we going to assume that they can take care of 600 churches.
The only thing that erks your nerve is that Torres can write and you with you little wannabe degrees have never been able to right.
So Sam I am calling you out to because I know you.
Your have no writting skills so all you can do is repeat one moment. Your message is not even edifing to your church so i hear throughout Cali.
You do the same message over and over and over and over and the sad part it is not even your's it belongs to a great man here in Dallas Jakes.
So go fix your house and then we can jump to the Pastor in Dallas.
You make us sick artie... sanchez..
Bunch of deceivers...in the aa.
So the aa has send artie to Haiti~
All you children that were bought with the precious blood of Christ. Don't be deceived with what little effort the aa is doing towards Haiti or Chile. The aa keeps collecting money by announcing that they are helping these devastating countries and all the meanwhile they send portions and keep the rest for their salaries and expensive overhead costs.
Sanchez's (Gay bishop brother)is going around saying that the reason they don't help Haiti is because of so much voodoo in that country. My bible teaches me different.
Ephesians 4:7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:
“ When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”[b]
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first[c] descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
SANCHEZ YOU DON'T HAVE CHRIST!!!
SANCHEZ YOUR INTEREST ARE FRUITS OF YOUR PRIDE AND PERSONAL INTEREST!
THE TRUTH IS THAT SANCHEZ WON'T ALLOW THE aa TO HELP HAITI BECAUSE THERE IS NO INTEREST OR REVENUE IN HAITI FOR THE aa.
Jordan International is funded through many other organizations. It so happens that artie's son-in-law runs it. The aa was getting pressure about not helping Haiti. So sanchez did the next best thing and jumped on the band wagon with Jordan Int. and send artie and co. to appear as if the aa was really assisting Haiti.
Sanchez you can't just send a truck load of water bottles and take credit for it. I bet that artie's and co. air-fare and perk's cost more than the truck load of water they got from cost-co. ($200)
Artie probably picked up an offering from next door (almaraz clan) to buy water bottles.
!!!ARTIE WHERE ARE YOUR MORAL ETHICS!!! THAT SLIDE SHOW IS SO WRONG. TALK ABOUT A DASH FOR A CHANCE OF A SPOTLIGHT. TAKING CREDIT FOR OTHER PEOPLES EFFORTS.
YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE PEOPLE OF HAITI HUMAN RIGHTS...
HOW DARE YOU PUT PICTURES OF DECEASED HAITIANS ON YOUR SLIDE SHOW. HOW LOW CAN YOU STOOP.
PRAY you don't deceive Chile....
Will see what Sanchez does to those saints in Chile.
While the saints suffer from hunger and a roof over their head. Sanchez and gang enjoy their million dollar homes, with their thousand dollars suits bought in Chile, hundred dollars ties and shoes. That they purchased with your diezmos.
!!!YES IT IS TRUE EVERYONE!!!
ARTIE BELONGS BEHIND BARS... HE HAS TAKEN MONEY FROM THE SAINTS AND WORSE. IT'S NOTHING NEW ARTIE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKES GOD'S MONEY.
I KNOW YOU READ THIS ARTIE.... YEAH THE SAINTS IN BRAWLEY, EPA, CLOVIS, COSTA RICA WANT THEIR MONEY BACK THAT YOU STOLE FROM THEM WHEN YOU WHERE THERE. WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR WIFE HAS BLOWN UP ... BECAUSE SHE KNOWS ABOUT YOUR DARK SECRET OF STEALING...AND THE ONLY WAY SHE CAN DEAL WITH IT IS BY HIDING BEHIND A TORTILLA AND A DINNER ROLL... AND THE WORSE IS THAT YOUR BROTHER IN LAWS THE SANCHEZ COVER FOR YOU....THAT IS LOW....
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU THAT DON'T SPEAK UP.... THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS BE. THE MONEY THAT GOD LENDS YOU IS BEING SPENT AND APPLIED FOR PERSONAL INTEREST. MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, THOUSAND DOLLAR SUITS, HUNDRED DOLLAR TIES AND SHOES...YOUR
~~~~~~DIEZMOS~~~~~~~~
APOSTOLICOWBOY~~~~~~~
So your saying is that with all the looting going on in Chile, they also have to worry about the DGB looting the LOVE offerings?
Gracias a Dios que solamente
faltan 7 meses "MAS DE AFANES"
con estos incircumsicisos.. Fariceos!
Sanchez,Y SU MAFIA
PORQUE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS HA SIDO VIOLADA, DESTRUIDA, POR HOMBRES DIABOLICOS...
Esto individos, faltos de oracion, y que HAN SIDO ABSOLUTOS, que LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO INCORPORADA pertenece a Ellos. TORPES IGNORANTES, CREIDOS!!! NO FUE FORMADA POR ELLOS, Y TODOS LOS PADRES DE ELLOS FUERON HOMBRES "MUY MALBADOS!!!
!
Se ha dividido la Asamblea completamente!!!!!
Ha estado usted en reuniones, y en convenciones, de districto o de
Nacional. Y entran estos "DIABLOS" de
POTESTADES DIABOLICAS?
Se dan tanta importancia, pobrecitos, son dignos de lastima.,
NOS SACAN LA "VUELTA" porque dice la palabra de Dios
"Huelle el impio sin que nadie lo
persiga"!
en TIEMPOS pasados cuando los hermanos de la Mesa Directiva, nos buscaban A TODO EL PUEBLO para saludar al pueblo en general.Hasta a los jovenes, ancianas y ninos.
ELLOS Eran amigos de los Pastores, Obispos, y de todo miembro de la
Iglesia!
No estaban llenos de odio y de vanas glorias.
Pero cuando entraron estos DIABLOS. CAMBIO.
!Por el delito, y la malicia
que llevan en sus diabolicas
vidas pecaminosas!!
Pastores por la gracia de Dios os ruego en Cristo Jesus que No mande dinero. Y si lo quiten... de Pastor que lo quiten!
"MI DIOS PUES SUPLIAR TODO SUS NECECIDADES CONFORME A SUS RIQUISAS EN CRISTO JESUS SENOR NUESTRO PHIL.4.
Porque creame Pastor, que para en Septiembre no aceptaran ellos nomas estar en la MESA DIRECCTIVA DE LA ASAMBLEA!
PORQUE SE SABE MUCHO DE LA VIDA DE ELLOS Y NO HAY YA RESPECTO DEL PUEBLO PARA ELLOS.
TIENEN ESPOSAS, SIN EDUCACION HUMANA DE AMAR!
NI CULTURA. NI AMOR A DIOS, NI TAMPOCO TEMOR A DIOS.
LLENAS DE INSEGURIDAD!!!
NO le saludan a los hermanos de sus mismas iglesias porque no tienen vocabulario suficiente para conversar una conversacion con
"criterio" de ensenaza.
NO PROCURAN LA AMISTAD:
Que ensenan? si nunca estudiaron
ni aun la Biblia? Ni aun oran!!
se le ve en odio...y la "rabia" que viven con sus vidas.
Considere sinceramente y en verdad!
Y valla PREPARDO para enfrentar al diablo!
PRIMERAMENTE SE TIENE QUE QUITAR LA DESCLAIFICADORA.
POR NADA SE DEBE DE PERMETIR QUE ESTOS "DIABLOS" DIRIGAN LOS VOTOS.
SE DEBE DE HACER ABIERTAMENTE.
Y NO DETRAS DE NINGUNA "cortina"..
Afirmese y sea valiente como Josue y como David. Y Paublo de Tarso!
AUN CUANDO VAMOS A VOTAR POR LOS DE LA NACION, de estado en que vivimos.. SE ESTUDIA CADA CANDIDATO.
PERO NOSOTROS VAMOS A CIEGAS!
POR ESO ELLOS HACEN LO QUE LES DA SU MUCHA MALDAD!
se debe de adquirir una agencia
neutral para contar los votos,
como hace la UPC.
sigue continuacion:
:
Por largos meses he orado a
Dios que nos ensene como
'RECONSTUIRLOS LOS MOROS COMO HIZO NEHEMIAS.
Nehemias pidio permiso de donde
estaba en esclavitud para regresar
a Jerusalen para iniciar la
'RECONSTRUCION DE LOS MOROS"
Nos dicen que no debemos de "vivir" en el pasado. Pero la Biblia
misma nos ensena a no olvidar
nuestras "raises"
"NO OLVIDES LA SENDAS ANTIGUAS!
Ya es demaciado noche, estoy
muy cansado. Pero nececito
dar esta lista para Ustedes
que Dios me ha mosotrado.
No puedo decir quien soy,
ni identificarme, por que estoy
seguro que aun me golpiaran
mala mente si supieran quien
soy.
No lo hago por covardia, sino
porque en verdad no se le puede
tener confianza a los hijos de
estos incircumcisos Fariseos.
Sus hijos estan tan llenos
de rabia, y de ira.
Porque eso les han ensenado
sus padres. Todas las madres
de estos hijos son muy malvadas.
Todos.., creame.
Pero yo le dio gracias a Dios
por estos blog., porque
puedo escribir, LO que nunca
le podria decir.
Que la Iglesia de Cristo, la
Asamblea fue formada por la
necesidad de que las almas
tubieran un lugar donde adorar a
Dios juntos CON LOS HERMANOS.
Pero cuando se hizo tanto
materializmo, y se olvido
nuestra Salvacion, y el
sacrificio de Jesus en el
Calvario surgieron estos
Diablos!!!
continunacion:
de la lista que Dios
me dio en estos dias y
meses....
Considerela y ore a Dios.
Todo el cuerpo Ministerial
que confia en Dios.
No tema ni desmayen donde
quiera que fuera. Yo Jehova
sera contigo, dice el Senor!
Todos ustedes me conocen
muy bien. Y me aprecian
mucho. Como yo a ustedes.
Nunca debemos de olvidar
los grandes sacrificios
que se ha hecho para
La Asamblea Apostolica.
Pero cuando se pone tantas
EXCIGIENCIAS DE DOLARES...
DINERO COMO LO PRIMORDIAL...
ESTO ES DEL DIABLO!
En todas la civilizaciones
de la historia humana, cuando
se han excijido 'taxas, impuesto
en BRUTALIDAD, esa civilizacion
ha sido destruillada.
Asi como Nehemias, ustedes
si lo pueden. en Cristo Jesus
demandar Justicia.
La razon que estos Mafisos
de la Asamblea exigen tanto
dinero es porque ellos ya
se les 'LLEGO LOS CUATRO ANOS,
Y NO QUIEREN SOLTAR LOS $10,000.00
dolares que reciben por MESSSSSS!!!
FIGURE USTED. $10,000.00 DOLARES
POR 7 MESES MAS!!!
Y PAGAR POR LAS DEMANDAS...
(continuacion)
To all bloggers:
Iam sorry to be writing
only in Spanish., But
there are many Pastors that
need to know this, from a
very experienced source.
Extremely experienced..
By God's grace. That is
into the "extreme mentality"
of every single one of these
Diabolic Mafia inspired
GB members.
Why? because it has been
seen before, and every one
single one of these mafiosos
are extremly well known to
us since their infancy.
Never in my mind did it
ever occured to me that
anyone of these "gallos"
would ever be part of the
General Board of the AA.
Believe me if the long line
of gone to live with the Lord
Bishops and elders and Pastors
would live right now. Lets
say in their 100 years of age.
They would be agasted!!!
Every single one of these
GBM...every single one
should be ashame to call
themselves Ministers of the
Gospel of Jesus Christ.
It is sacriligious!!!Cruel and
inhumane to do what they are
doing to the Pastors and to the
congregations!
You got my explanation.
I owe to you,
Thanks.
To all bloggers:
Iam sorry to be writing
only in Spanish., But
there are many Pastors that
need to know this, from a
very experienced source.
Extremely experienced..
By God's grace. That is
into the "extreme mentality"
of every single one of these
Diabolic Mafia inspired
GB members.
Why? because it has been
seen before, and every one
single one of these mafiosos
are extremly well known to
us since their infancy.
Never in my mind did it
ever occured to me that
anyone of these "gallos"
would ever be part of the
General Board of the AA.
Believe me if the long line
of gone to live with the Lord
Bishops and elders and Pastors
would live right now. Lets
say in their 100 years of age.
They would be agasted!!!
Every single one of these
GBM...every single one
should be ashame to call
themselves Ministers of the
Gospel of Jesus Christ.
It is sacriligious!!!Cruel and
inhumane to do what they are
doing to the Pastors and to the
congregations!
You got my explanation.
I owe to you,
Thanks.
Como antes explique:
Para esta eleccion de Anaheim en
7 meses.
No se debe de admitir, la
DESCLALIFICADORA:
PORQUE ENTONCES USTEDES ES
MEJOR QUE SE QUEDEN EN SUS
CASAS...
SE DEBE DE DEMANDAR QUE
SE "CONTRATE UNA AGENCIA DE
CONTAR VOTOS COMO HACEN
TODAS OTRAS LA IGLESIAS
QUE ACTUAN LEGAL Y CRISTIANA
MENTE A DIOS.
SI ESTOS MAFIOSOS
ENTRAN A LAS ELECCIONES ENTONCES
DEBEN DE SALIRSE CADA PASTOR
Y NEGAR DE VOTAR.
ESTA ES LA LISTA QUE
DIOS ME DIOS ME DIO EN ORACION
POR VARIOS MESES:
yO SE QUE ES IMPOSIBLE QUE USTED
LA UTILIZE PORQUE NO TENEMOS
ESTA LIBERTAD:
PORQUE HAY MUCHO CELOS Y
ENVIDAS!!!
LISTA PARA LAS
ELECCIONES EN ANAHEIM CALIFORNIA
SEPTIEMBRE 2010.
SI DIOS TODAVIA CONSERVA A CALIFORNIA.
Presidente: Juan Fortino, desciendiente de Buenos Aires, Argentina, SA.
El sufrio demasiado por habersele
hecho fraude en las elecciones,
y no demando la AA.
El es Pastor en Miami, Florida, hombre de mucha oracion y ayuno.
Humilde, honesto, amistoso y carinoso, y humanitario.
Asistio a la escuela dominical deste su juventud.
Vice-Presidente: Luciano Montes,
hombre de mucha oracion, amable,
humilde que el y su esposa
son amables. Pastor en Indio,
aqui en California.
Asistio a la escuela dominical
desde su ninez.
El tampoco demando a la
AA aunque fue tambien hecho
fraude.
Secretario General:
Pastor Arcadio Pena; Hombre
de mucha oracion y ayuno.
Bien preparado de estudios
de Universidad, para la obra
de Dios.
Pastor y Obispo,en el Sur De Texas.
Asistio a la escuela dominical
de la Asamblea desde su ninez.
Tesorero General:
Pastor Felipe Salazar, Pastor en
Compton, California.
Hombre de mucha oracion, y ayuno.
Esposa muy dedicada y amistosa.
Los padres de el fueron unos
hermanos muy dedicados a la obra como miembros de la Iglesia
en Compton. Muy amables y
de mucha oracion.
Secretario de Misiones:
Pastor y fue Obispo Joe
Prado. Hombre que busca
a Dios para obtener el
Don de Sanidad, para alcanzar
las almas.
Hombre de ayuno y oracion.
Muy humilde y amable.
Fueron misioneros en Chile,SA.
Asistio a la escuela dominical
desde su ninez.
(El Pastor Joe Prado no es de la
personalidad despota de su
primo Victor Prado.)
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Secretario de Misiones Nacionales:
Pastor Moises Varela,
{Pastor en Vallejo.
El estudio en el CBAN, hombre
de mucha oracion y ayuno.,
juntamente con su esposa.
Hombre humilde, carinoso, y
buen predicador.
De oracion y de ayuno.
El asistio a la escuela dominical
de la Asamblea Aposotolica desde
su ninez.
Secretario de Educacion Cristiana:
Pastor Ismael Veloz en San Lenandro, cerca de San Jose.
Hombre de mucha oracion y ayuno,
juntamente con su amable esposa
y sus Padres fueron Pastores
en varias Iglesias en la AA
y La Iglesia de Mexico.
El Pastor Veloz, gruado de el
Colegio Biblico Apostolico en
la Capital de Mexico y en CBAN
y en otros seminario en los
Estados Unicos.
El asistio a la escuela dominical
desde su ninez!
Secretario de Asistencia Social:
Pastor Joe Rodriguez en San Jose,
aqui en California.
Hombre humilde de mucha oracion
y ayuno. Su abuelo y Padre fueron
Pastores de la Asamblea por largos
tiempos.
Asistio a la escuela dominical
desde su ninez!
Hay muchos mas Hombres de Dios
muy preparados con oracion
y ayuno para servir en la obra de Dios.HUMILDES, AMABLES,
QUE AMAN A DIOS Y A SUS HERMANOS
Y A LA IGLESIA.
Pero desafotunada mente muchos
Pastor y Obispos han aprendido
de la Mafiosa Mesa Directiva,
y hay hechos las mismas cosas.
Han humilados a los hermanos, humildes y pobres. Y se han
olvidado de la doctrina.
Han abandonado la Asamblea,
por tanto sufrir.
Si usted Pastor o Obispo
ha hecho esto. Pidale
perdon a Dios, y busque
esa Obeja perdida.
Acuerdese que usted va
a tener que responder
en aquel dia por todas
las obejas.
Y sus hijos llevaran la pena.
Dios le bendiga.
Les amo mucho!
haga como Nehemias!!!
Como dijo Cristo "Yo vine a Servir".
y Sanchez, etcs nunca sirven a nadie...Solo piediendo mas y mas y mas dinero y mas
y mas dinero.
Dios contesta la oracion.
Pastores...Sean valientes.
Y sigan orando que SALGAN
ESTOS HORSUPADORES DE la iglesia
y los santos.
Muchos de ellos no viviran
hasta Septiembre!
Luciano Montes?
Wasn't he the one that grabbed the booty of a girl that worked at headquarters?
A Prado is Prado, just like a Valverde is a Valverde.
I hope you don't throw out Adam Lopez's name on your list or the wanna be Board member Hoyer.
Mr. Sanchez "Ask in Prayer and you shall receive:
If I throw in my ballot will my Prayers and Fasting count this time? Since you will be Running the election will you promise not to commit any MORE FRAUD? Do you promise you'll tell the TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
Okay! Here I go I'll just have to keep my FINGERS CROSS!
Presidente: NO!!!
Juan Fortino, desciendiente de Buenos Aires, Argentina, SA.
REASON: A man with NO INTEGRITY who let others do the dirty work for him as they fought his BATTLE! I can't trust him to lead the church.
Vice-Presidente: NO
Luciano Montes,
REASON: Has issues of his own that will keep him busy for a while and won't have time to attend to the churches needs.
Secretario General: YES
Pastor Arcadio Pena;
REASON: Good man
Secretario de Misiones: UNDECIDED
Pastor Joe Prado.
REASON: Once a Prado will always be a Prado!
Tesorero General: NO!!
Pastor Felipe Salazar,
REASON: HAS BEEN KNOWN AS A BROWN NOSER who WORSHIPS THE GROUND THAT SANCHEZ WALKS ON FOR PERSONAL GAIN!!
NO
Secretario de Educacion Cristiana:
Pastor Ismael Veloz
REASON: He is a good man but does not have the experience to educate the church though he is known to be a GREAT minister of music and understands the importance music plays in the church it's not enough to take the church to greater heights!
YES
Secretario de Misiones Nacionales:
Pastor Moises Varela,
REASON: COMPASSIONATE
When Abel Torres was ousted he was not pleased with the way the GB handled the situation. Truly a man of God!
Yes
Secretario de Asistencia Social:
Pastor Joe Rodriguez en San Jose,
REASON: TRIED to talk some sense to Sanchez to keep from throwing ALL those 250 pastors out of the AA.
Sr. Sanchez; Ask in Prayer and you shall Receive:
Me promete usted si yo elijo estas personas como candidatos para la nueva mesa directiva de la AA que uste no volvera a cometer el FRAUDE qe cometio en 2006 siendo que usted llevara acabo la eleciones? Si yo oro y ayuno para que Dios haga su santa voluntad me promete usted que no cambiara lo que Dios haiga determinado? Me promete usted que sera sincero y JUSTO con el pastorado y ministerio al llevar acabo esta eleciones?
Okay! Lo hare con mucha INSEGURIDAD!
Aqui le va:
Presidente: NO!!!
Juan Fortino, desciendiente de Buenos Aires, Argentina, SA.
RAZON:
No es un hombre de INTEGRIDAD! Dejo que otros pelearan su batalla por ser desqalificado y permitio que otros salieran perdiendo y no el. EGOISTA!!
Vice-Presidente: NO
Luciano Montes,
RAZON: Tiene problemas personales que no tendria el tiempo para atender a la AA.
Secretario General: SI
Pastor Arcadio Pena;
RAZON: Buen hombre
Secretario de Misiones: Si/NO
Pastor Joe Prado.
RAZON: Viene de la familia Prado
Tesorero General: NO!!
Pastor Felipe Salazar,
RAZON: Hace todo lo que el CAPITAN le pide por quedar bien con el. No tiene su propio criterio!
NO
Secretario de Educacion Cristiana:
Pastor Ismael Veloz
RAZON: Buen hombre. Tiene un gran ministerio en la musica pero no esta capacitado para llevar la iglesia a nuevas alturas
SI
Secretario de Misiones Nacionales:
Pastor Moises Varela,
RAZON:
Es un hombre COMPASIVO. Nos enteramos cuando Abel Torres fue hechado fuera de la AA que el fue uno de los que estuvo inconforme de la manera que la mesa directiva obro con Torres, siendo que el habia dado mucho a la iglesia para que lo hubieran tratado de esa manera.
SI
Secretario de Asistencia Social:
Pastor Joe Rodriguez en San Jose,
RAZON;
En la reunion episcopal hace algunas semanas el fue el que se opino encountra de que sacaran a mas de 250 pastores de sus congregacion por no haber cumplido con los nuevos requisitos de la AA.
NO SENSE: Do you think everything you say against Abel Torres is reeaaly hurting him? Has anyone informed you that he's not with the AA anymore? He doesn't have anything to loose! He doesn't need the AA or AWA to win the world for Christ. Does he? Heard he's actually been doing very well while you are on the blog getting all stressed out and getting hemorrhoids. The only one who seems to NOT be doing very well here is you! Please do us ALL a favor and GET OVER IT! Remember the AA election is coming up and their is more important issues regarding the church!!
Thank you!
How could anyone trust any AA elections after the last election ?
Unless an independant accounting firm audits and monitors the election.
It will just be more of the same.
Only now they will be more careful.
Oh nevermind all the Pastors will be praying and fasting right ?
Ok I guess God's will is going to be done just like last election.
Cause one God directed the Pastors vote. And another God directed the GB to say wait forget what their God told them we will choose two vote Eddie and the rest of the poor excuse for a General Board.
When it's God's will, who needs two votes?
I wonder what God the GB are following ?
Cause they sure went against all of the AA Pastors God.
Either that or God changed his mind ! Hmmmmmmmmm
Could it be the GB are worshippers of the god mammon ?
What a horrible GB we have.
A Pacheco and a Maffey on the board is what made it clear for me.
FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD !!!!!!!!!
En Tx estamos en revival.
the aa bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down, the aa bridge is falling down my fair lady. take the key and lock them up, lock them up, lock them up, take the key and lock them up, all the GBers. bola de gente estupida!! wake up the aa is falling marsh 15 bastardos
To Oneness Herectic:
In case you didn't know Adam Lopez was ALSO one who sympathize with the men who were outsted by the GB. I REMEMBER that day Abel Torres crashed the party! What A Party IT WAS!! I had been informed previously that he (Torres) would be showing up and honestly I didn't believe it but when I saw HIM walk in and saw all jaws drop especially what was most entertaining was to see the looks on the GB's eyes especially Pacheco when he stumbled ALL over his words as he was speaking. I told my colleague "this guy REALLY has Control over the GB!" Talking about intimidation! We saw it live!!
I place my nomination for Moses Varela a "Compassionate" man
for Secretary of Missions. Good man
CBG has it on the MONEY....
Take the money away, and Malverde is back in Sydro slingin oranges and tamales door to door.
In fact, take away the money, easy access to manipulated minds, and most of these fools loose their religion.
I said, most. There are some ministers and pastors that are truly dedicated to the mission and charity.
The system needs to be destroyed....
A good spiritual and organizational fire bombing would do the trick. Worked in defeating Germany and Japan.
Oneness Heretic:
Thanks for the information. It has made it easier for Pastor Moses Varela to figure out who you are but because of the "Compassionate" man he is, he is letting it slide. He's nothing like the present GB who have NO HEART much less a CONSCIENCE!
To Oneness Heretic:
I vote for Moses Varela as director of Missions but at the end my vote won't matter at all with Daniel Sanchez running the election, God's will won't matter at all. Will it??
In the words of the late Paul Harvey; "And this is the rest of the Story!" Goodnite!
What happens next...
So true! at the end of the day it wont matter.
Tell him I said "Hi Mo."
What is going to Happen next:
If there is any one in the entire
Planet that would bring the
AA to its highest would be YOU!
AND NO ONE BETTER THAN YOU!!
You were in leadership and
did a Dynamic Job.!
Even now with more time, age
and experience you are a
Great Instrument for the
Lord's work!!!!
But one thing we have in
you is that "you left"
the AA many years ago.
And now that we "need you
desperately" you are
with the AWA!
That is why I always say.
In God's time, In God's
time!
It is terribly unfair
that you who was raised
in the Apostolic church
Sunday school classes
and the Juniors, and
especially the Youth
are not able to rescue
the AA from "London Bridge
is falling down, like
this "Johnny come lately"
STATED!
I say in the name of Jesus
that you "Chismoso" will
be the one to fall down.
You......"What is going,
to happen next."
You are the "only" one in the
entire AA that would know
what to do.
You have class, you do not swear,
you inform., you defend, but
you lack one thing. Because
of "your" youth.
You DID not understand "one"
thing...and this is that
if the "plaintiff's" would
have "remained" in the AA
and "formed" an "underground"
reform. This would have been
a "TRIUMPH" AND NOT SUED!
And the "MAFIOSOS" OF SANCHEZ,
AND HIS GANG WOULD HAVE BEEN
DEFEATED AND THE ONES THAT
SUED., would have been
voted in.
HOW?????? BY HAVING "REMAINED'
IN THE AA AND "THROWN OUT LA
DESCLALIFICADORA!!!
And like Enrique or Henry said,
"to contract an agency to conduct
the elections"...
Everyone in the list that
was "formulated", is good.
TO FORM THE GB IN SEPTEMBER
IS GOOD.!
Pastor Joe Prado is LIKE
"night and day" in difference
to V. Prado. V. Prado and
Pastor Joe Prado may be relatives
but believe me they are "NOT OF
THE SAME DESPOSITION".
And as far as Adam Lopez,
may the Lord "forbid" with
all his corruption of the
"florazuers" sons, and
consenting it.
And he 'EXPLOITED" the
aa members for years with
his "corrupted tactics of
collecting offerings.!
You., 'WHAT IS GOING TO
HAPPEN NEXT'.
Will never be "contented"
or satisfied with "any one
but the ones you agreed.
Because 'YOU WOULD BE THE
ONLY ONE, PLEASE BELIEVE
ME THAT WOULD BE THE
BEST PRESIDING BISHOP.
AND YOU KNOWING SO MANY
PEOPLE AND THEIR CHARACTERS
AND PRAYER LIFE WOULD
"SELECT" AN AWESOME....GB!
BUT....GOD DOES MIRACLES!!
WHO KNOWS!!
GOD'S BLESS YOU.
come on......please
you give us your list.,
and in Spanish TOO!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
Pastor Fortino did not "forsake"
you the "plaintiffs".
He was "thinking" that four years
would fly, and they did to the
GB.!
If Pastor Fortino is able to
be Presiding Bishop, he would
surely "think" of the good
of the AA. And the AA "needs"
someone that would have "trusted
in God"'s timing.!
As far as Pastor Luciano Montes,
true, he is brother to Joel Montes,
but we can assure you do not "get along" and
they are also like "night and day".
Pastor Ismael Veloz, is "not"
a music director, he "sings",
with his wife, and has Pastored
Churches where they have had
good music.
But Pastor Veloz, 'KNOWS'
HOW TO RUN A GOOD EDUCATION PROGRAM
FOR ANY ORGANIZATION!
He has attended and graduated from many Bible Schools and also accrediated schools in the U.S.
But Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco,
Prado, Aguilar, Maffey, all
"hate" Pastor Veloz, because
"remember jealousy" is a "thin"
line between "admiration!
AND THESE MAFIOSOS ARE "JEALOUS" OF EVERYONE, AND SO INSECURE.
That's the problem with the
AA no one gives us names
of qualified men.
So we go in like the "blind
leading the blind."
They herd us into the "ware
house," as if "fasting",
and what ever for if.
The disquilifing committee,
cheats and creates fraud.!
Por favor....
"What is going to happen next"
Yo se que Abel Torres no esta
ya como pastor en la Asamblea.
Yo se y entiendo esto!
Pero Abel Torres se le "olvida"
que el "demando" a la Asamblea.
Se le olvida esto a Abel Torres,
que el fue parte de los que
demandaron a la Asamblea.
Esto se le olvida que Abel
Torres, escojio con haber
demandado a la Asamblea,
el escojio ponerse a la
"desposicion de Sanchez y
su "pandilla".(Mafiosos)
Pero si, yo soy el que estoy
confundido de que Abel Torres
"Que ya no es Pastor de la AA.,
entonces porque Torre se
subaja a "escribir cartas"
de "ponencias" y desiciciones,
y sugeriencias, que quiere
que la Mesa Directiva haga,
y corrija.
U aun que no es miembro ya
de la Asamblea Apostolica.!
Si Abel Torres "No hubiera"
demandado a la Asamblea,
y hubiera hecho "una "revolucion"
sin haber ido a la corte,
entonces Abel Torres, tubiera
"voz y mas Voz".
Pero no lo hizo, y ahora que?
Por eso digo y sigo diciendo,
que si Abel Torres no puede
defender a su amigo y hermano
en Cristo, Pastor de Dallas
de La Alianza Apostolica,
que su cunado le hizo "una"
division, clandestina, a
ese Pastor de Dallas de la
Alianza, entonces que se
espera de los Pastores que estan
dejando la Asamblea y "buscan
"auxilio" de La Alianza Apostolica????
Nosotros sabes muy bien, que
Torres ya no pertense a la
Asamblea, y desafortunadamente,
esto es asi.
Pero Abel Torres, es el que
no "entiende esto", y no quiere
"comprender"..Pero siempre
esta con el "la noticia"
de que Joel Montes "tiene que
entregar los documentos se la
Asamblea Apostolica en Houston,
Texas,a la Asamblea.
y que no se le den mas
credenenciales ministeriales,
a Joel Montes., si no "arregla"
este asunto.
Sanchez, esta bien loco, y
Valverde mas loco, y Pacheco,
ellos son los que deben de
"arreglar" este asunto de Joel
Montes. Pero todos estan
locos.. Y mas que nadie, Abel
Aguilar que ese si lo esta bien
loco! El griton sin "reverencia".
Que hace "sufrir tanto a su esposa"!
Abel Torres es el que debe de
entender que el fue el que
escojio "esperar en si mismo",
Dios hace las cosas muchisimo
mas excellentes.
The GBers 8 and the GB5 along w/ M. Zaragoza, are more lonely than the mule (she ass), b/c as
the next pending GB election approaches no one is going to fully trust in what will be going on. Z
The ink of the hand-writing on the wall is getting
REDDER and hotter that they cannot read/feel it!
I predict that the "Maffeyioso" is gonna contract an accounting/audit firm by the name of "A's, I'm in Charge Here!" Then, it will be ALL OVER for AA bridge to Neverlandia. Michael Jackson is waiting.
RIP MJJ and you do the same too Asambleados;p
The disqualification committee:
Let us not forget that Guzman from Ill. was in this group and from what I hear, he is the one that ran off with the ballots.
Also Felipe Gaxiola from Fresno was part of it. These two for sure shouldn't be allowed near any ballots this coming elections.
What is better Ya Basta,
To do what the whole organization did and stand still and say nothing for a promotion.
Basta Pastor Torres lost everything because they tried their best to hush up Pastor Torres.
Legal terms it is called a bribe.
They did not care for God all they cared about was their Position much like many of the AA Pastors that are still there.
Basta if they did not listen to Pastor Torres back then who is educated and tried to stop them from getting their way then what makes you think he would have had a voice after.
They knew he was corrupt just like them had he stayed in the Assembly he would have had no face to ask the GB members to step down had he stayed.
Lets think chronoligically here for a second for a whole year Torres tried to talk them out of letting this happen.
It was not until 2007 when they started with legal action so come on now he more than tried to make them stop but they choose not to listen.
It is better to be out of the pack sometimes than to be in with the thieves.
So Basta outline the whole truth and not your half truths.
Thanks for your insight though it was much appreciated.
porq:
Your comment on M. Zaragosa
is very true!!
Imagine during the day ordeal
of the "fraud" elections,
the GBM has M. Zaragosa to
entertain us Pastors. All
day long with "stupid"
ridiculous jokes!!
If there is any one in AA
that is "stupid"is M. Zaragosa.
With his "corney jokes".
He tried to be someone
wise, but all he does
is give us "stupid" state--
ments on his life in Juarez,
and from "Famoso", a ranch
where his father was a "farm
worker and track layer for
the RR.
M. Zaragosa "messed"up National
City so bad, and "refinanced"
the "senior apartments" to help
Sanzhez and the Mafiosos with
the "court fees"!
That is why the "wise" youth
left him "cut and dry."
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porq: (translation)
Tu escribis de Misael Zaragosa,
que ya mero se le llega el dia
de escribir en "rojo" las
notas, que tal vez va a escribir
durante ls "eleccion" fraudes
en septiembre de este ano en
Anaheim.
Es un insulto que nos pongan
a este M. Zaragosa, para decir
"chistes" desabridos, y "estupidos"
durante todo el dia de las
elecciones.
Dicen que si un Pastor ha
sido Secretario o Tesorero,
de cualquir Dictrico de la
Asamblea puede "ser miembro"
de la Mesa Directiva de la
AA!
Esto se aprovo por Valverde
y Pacheco para que ellos
ya no sea "criticados" porque
nunca fungieron como "Ancianos,
y Obispos supervisorer.
Imaginese Pastores, si siendo
Obispos supervisores, no pueden,
pues ahora que nomas han
sido Secretario o tesoreros
de Districto. Y pueden ser
Obispo Presidente.
Si Sanchez nos arunio...Pues
estos insensatos acabaran
con todo!
Ahora si va a haber una
"ESTAMPIDA" peor para las
elecciones en Septiembre 2010!!!
Si nos
fregamos con SAnchez, y Valverde
el menso "infandil" y con Pacheco,
y el "griton" de Aguilar, y
el "chismo" que trae todo lo
de la Iglesia de Mexico,Martin
del Campo, y Prado el insensato!
Y Maffey con su reputacion de
contumas.
Imaginese con Secretarios
y tesoreros de Districto!!
Que han acavado con templos
vacios!!!
Dios tenga misericordia!
Pues nada ha hecho Abel Torres,
para ayudar a su amigo y companero
que es Pastor de La Alianza Apostolica, en Dallas, Texas.
El cunado de Torres,son cunados por sus esposas
sigue robandose miembros de la
congregacion de la iglesia que
el cunado, de Abel Torres, dividio en Dallas,
de la Alianza y se llevo como
5 cinco familias. Y ahoy domingo
tres mas.
Habiendo miles y miles de personas en esa pupulacion de Dallas porque
se tienen que "robar" ovejas de un Pastor que ha trabajado tanto por sus rebano!
Esto no es plantar otra iglesia,
esto es abuso y robo.
Por eso se le "llama" la atencion
a Torres, que cuide tambien
de sus amigos Pastores de la
Alianza Apostolica, que no tiene
quien los defienda cuando se les
hace una division.
Abel Torres si cuida muy bien de Joel Montes de Houston que ponga
la propiedad de la iglesia que heredo, que su suegro Quiroz, que tambien engano a la Mesa Directiva
por largos anos que estaba a nombre de la Asamblea., pero Quiroz nunca la puso a nombre de la Asamblea porque siempre ha sido un "absoluto".
Se le pide a Torres que cuide de los pastores de la Awa que son
solos indenpiendentes, autonomos,
pero que como un deber cristiano
debe de respladar al Pastor de
Dallas de la Alianza.
Si tanto cuida de la Asamblea y de la Mesa Directiva, que cuide de la
Aliansa que Torres solo formulo.
Si... seguro que si es muy verdad...
Que la Mesa Direcctiva por medio de
Maffey van a contratar una agencia
que disque sera neutral para las elecciones en Anaheim...
Pero es muy claro lo que van hacer.
Esa "agencia" contratada va tambien hacer "fraude", porque va hacer contratada de Los Mafiosos., y no va
hacer legalidad de ninguna.. Sola
pura mentira!!!
Por eso la Mesa Directiva,de ahoy Mafiosa, conpuesta por Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Maffey, el Chino; Aguilar el griton; Prado, y Espinoza estan
bien seguros con "todo esta bien"..
MAFIOSOS, MENTIOSOS, LLENO DE DEMONIOS!
Haciendose ricos con el dinero sagrado de nosotros y los hermanitos y hermanitas.
Que Dios los "reprenda."
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Translation:
It is so very true....
That eventhough the GB "pretends to contract an agency to "run the eleccions" it will an agency, contracted by Maffey, the China Man; who is just as "croooked"
fraudulent and false.
How true......
But the Lord "rebuke" them Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Aguilar, Mafey, Prado, Martin del Campo...in Jesus' Name!!!
Keep praying brothers and sisters.
Out with these demonic individuals.
These mafiosos "steal and misappropraite the "sacred" tithes and offerings of the Saints.
Woe and Woe and Woe to all 8 of you.!
The Word of God states this clearly.
It is "just" a matter of a short time. AND YOU WILL BE A "HAS BEEN"!
WITH THE WORSE "HISTORY"OF HAVING
DESTROYED THE ASSEMBLY!
WHAT A DIRTY "LEGACY" YOU ALL 8 WILL LEAVE FOR YOUR BRATS!
POOR THINGS!
Continuing for fairness,
You cannot steal members from another Pastor,They are people no objects, If the Families left there must be a reason.
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No se pueden robar miembros,miembros no son objetos son personas y si se han ido tiene que ver alguna razon.
Enrique:
How old are you?
Read the book La Serpiente y La Paloma by Manuelito Gaxiola, an intense research on the Apostolic
Churches and "their growth".
There its informs you of "robbing sheep" Pastors,stealing sheep from other churches?
That is exactly what Bracamontes, in Midland, Texas is trying to do to Pastor Arreola and Torres.
But there Torres does not like that, about Bracamontes.
Certainly, "church members" can
be "robbed", and very unscrouplously, without any remorse, from the "robber and deceiver"
. Are you a Pastor?
Has anyone done that to you?
Taken your "hard search" "rebano"
with the "hook" on "hip, hop" music?
Where have you been my dear Brotha?
Look at Samuel Valverde, he "robbed" and surely will be accountable for, according to the word of God. Valverde "robbed" members from "Baldwin Park, Santa Anita, West Whittier, where La Francisca is Pastor", and from El Monte Church. Valverde even had churches "close","KAPUT" so he could "rob" the members.
Now "they" left him, and Valverde has nothing but "cell" members he does not even "know", but he sure
baptizes them so "they can say , "he is my Pastor", While the other
"house" Pastors, as he calls them, men that are not even Bible knowledged nor even "ordained". Valverde will not "ordain" them because, these "house pastors" will surely make an "EXIT" TOO...
So please be more intelligent, and do your research. The majority of the AA churches have expanded with "stolen, robbed sheep".
Meanwhile the masses of "souls" are not searched for because "church growth" comes from ""following the HIP HOP music,
and that is why and REALLY WHY THE AA HAS COLLASPED!!
NO SOLID...FOOD, (WORD OF GOD), just HIP HOP music.. (JELLLLLOOOOOOO)
Meanwhile back at the ranch in Midland, Abel Torres allows "robbed" sheep unscrouplous, tactics to continue, just like at the AA....
So what is the change?/
Oh ...yes I forgot...."no tithes of tithes., no Flor Azul and no mano a mano.!!!! AND OF COURSE, NO MESSED UP MAFIOSOS!
REALLY? WELL WHERE IS TORRES, WITH THE DALLAS AWA PASTOR?
But yes...continue to "divide churches" that are just "starting with the AWA....after all these churches....have "no supervision"., the AWA churches are "automus", Self dependent, So let them be "taken advantages off
by Wanna Be overnight Pastors with "stolen goods"..
Do you care Enrique? No you sure do not!. Neither does Abel Torres, who "formed" the AWA!.
So what it's his "brother in law" and that is all that matters..
There are masses and masses of people who need to be evangelized...
TORRES BROTHER IN LAW IS not in Saudi Arabia, in the "mass" desert. So why "robb" sheep, to start a church.
Where is the "ethics, the respect of God for the Pastor in Dallas, so called friend of Abel Torres?
Oh Iam sorry. Abel Torres is "out there "Face Booking" and "yelling" "help look at me Iam mad at Joel Montes and Sanchez etc."
He is out there calling. "Revolution, Reformation" Justice. "Iam here look at me"!
"Please don't forget me"
Please....
Continuihg for fairness,
Look I understand that you are upset and have many valid reasons to be hurt.
Im not discounting your pain brother, I am just in disagreement about your "stolen, robbed sheep " comments.
There is nothing you can say that will convince me that member can be stolen !
We are not robots or inanimate objects to just be swiped away.
Is it unethical for a Pastor to entice members to join his church promising positions and other perks ? YES
But he did not steal them, he just appealed to their greed or offered them something they felt they were not getting at their home church.
Let's agree to disagree I guess.
But now you have become judgemental towards me by saying that I dont care ! So I doubt that you are a Man of God.
You seem to lack wisdom in your words and appear far too angry to be a truly annointed servant.
Just my two cents !
West Whittier, where La Francisca is Pastor.......
LOL........ good one, but its Francis!
Enrique que edad tienes?
Eres Pastor? Donde has estado?
Como dices que "las ovejas" de una congregacion no se pueden robar?"
lol!!!
Te han robado a ti ovejas, para
abrir otra iglesia?
Eso es Cuando tu apenas estas empesando con ovejas nuevas, y en una nueva organiazacion, que "disque" esta mejor que la AA?
Debe de haber "ethica" respecto ministerial, que no lo hay eso es la verdad, ni aun en la "reciente formada agrupacion de la Alianza Apostolica, que formulo Abel Torres.
Se disque, es autonoma, que los Pastores son indepiendientes.
Bueno si...pero hasta donde va esta autonomia, y indepiendencia, que a un Pastor de la Alianza, se le "roban" ovejas sin escrupulo, ni respecto, por Abel Torres?
Abel Torres, anda afuera de la Alianza Apostolica,EN EL "FACE BOOK", tratando de "continuar con la "REVOLUCION, REFORMACION Y JUSTICIA"....... de parte de la Asamblea, y no esta interviendo con ayudar al Pastor de DAllas de la Alianza que el cunado de Torres le"roba ovejas" a ese Pastor.
Que "disque" EL CUNADO DE TORRES, para abrir una nueva Obra., sin necesidad, porque no esta el cunado de Abel Torres en SAudi Arabia en el desierto, para no poder conseguir "almas" y se tiene que "robar" el rebano de otro "Pastor", que trabajo aruda mente para ESE rebano.
LA MUSICICA DIABOLICA' DEL HIP HOP, QUE HA SIDO INTRUDUCIDA POR VALVERDE, Y SU PADILLA, es lo que destrullo la Asamblea.
Y muchas "ovejas" se van en "necesidad de ese "ritmo"...
Ya no hay palabra "solidada" de la Palabra de Dios. Todos los sermones "son tambien robados", de los trinos. Solomente la musica, del "caribe" con "ritmo" diabolico
es lo que se experiementa en las Iglesias disque "CHRISTIANAS".
bah, y mas bah.
Leian el libro por el Doctor Manuel Gaxiola, La Serpiente y la Paloma, y veras, Enrique que la majorida de las Iglesias Apostolicas, (AA) y la de Mexico, son de "ovejas" robas, y no de almas
evangelisadas!!!
SOLO EL "RITMO" DE LOS DIABABLOS, LOS ENTRETIENE!!!
DESAFORTUNADAMENTE...ESTAN BIEN
CIEJOS!!!
Y SORDOS. ENTORPESIDOS!!!
YA NO HAY REMEDIO....TERMINARA TODO!
PORQUE LA PALABRA DE DIOS DICE,
"QUE DIOS HABITA EN MEDIO DE LAS ALABANZAS, PERO NO EN LA MUSICIA DE "CAIN"!!!
POR ESO DIOS SE FUE DE LA ASAMBLEA, LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO Y DE LA ALIANZA....ESO ES VERIFICO!!
Okay...Enrique you win....
But let me give you a "fair thought" from expierence.
There was a good Pastor, once upon a time., and when "sheep" ovejas" came to his church because they were not happy with the "other" Pastor that they had "left".
This "good Pastor" would tell them.
(From vast expierence).
"Look my dear brother or sister.
There must be some other church you can go to because if you have
resentment toward that Pastor, you will eventually leave here too.
Search your heart, and pray to God to show you what church you should really attend."
"But, the pastor would continue, "I do not want your Pastor to feel that I have "taken" his sheep from him.
"What goes around comes around."
Respect, ministerial ethics, we have lost it all!
We are all Christ's children.
GOD IS THE GOOD SHEPARD.
WE WILL CERTAINLY NEVER FIND, PERFECTION IN ANY MAN, BUT IN GOD.
I LOVE YOU TOO, IN CHRIST'S NAME!
Okay...Enrique you win....
But let me give you a "fair thought" from expierence.
There was a good Pastor, once upon a time., and when "sheep" ovejas" came to his church because they were not happy with the "other" Pastor that they had "left".
This "good Pastor" would tell them.
(From vast expierence).
"Look my dear brother or sister.
There must be some other church you can go to because if you have
resentment toward that Pastor, you will eventually leave here too.
Search your heart, and pray to God to show you what church you should really attend."
"But, the pastor would continue, "I do not want your Pastor to feel that I have "taken" his sheep from him.
"What goes around comes around."
Respect, ministerial ethics, we have lost it all!
We are all Christ's children.
GOD IS THE GOOD SHEPARD.
WE WILL CERTAINLY NEVER FIND, PERFECTION IN ANY MAN, BUT IN GOD.
I LOVE YOU TOO, IN CHRIST'S NAME!
NO ES POSIBLE ROBAR MIEMBROS !!!!
Escucha hermano !
Las ovejas solo se van si quieren, nadien puede forsar a nadien.
Todo sera humano que tiene uso de rason es capas de decidir por si mismo.
Si dejaron de asistir a una Iglesia por otra, es simplimente por que decidieron que les podia ir mejor o estar en un lugar mas positivo o progresivo.
El estar envidiando a otro Pastor y guardar rencor por miembros que " se les robo " para mi son niñerias.
Las ovejas son de Cristo y hay muchas almas que alcansar.
Si se te fueron las ovejas hermano, debes de ejercer una auto examinacion de tu manera de manejar tu obra.
Y por muchas rasones meimbros van y vienen de una Iglesia a otra, algunas rasones validas , como por ejemplo un cambio de empleo.
Algotras rasones no muy sanas, como buscar un puesto o posicion que el nueveo pastor les ha prometido.
Per sin embargo una oveja se va porque ellos deciden irse, no por que alguien los robo.
TO CID:
Her "real name is FRANCISCA"
de Mataboros, MX.,
We knew her in Houston, when she was Quiroz, "Girl Friday".
A REAL BROWN NOSER, IF YOU KNOW WHAT WE MEAN!!!!
A LA CHUCA!!! MEANING TO THE "BRUTE"!THE WANNA BE "GRINGA' CHANGED IT TO FRANCIS, BUT NOT LEGALLY ONLY
COLOQUIAL!! (HER TYPE).
SHE IS A GREAT "BROWN NOSER" to Sanchez,, "their girl Fridays, now" Valverde, Pacheco, and especially to "Prado Boy."
HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK SOMEONE FROM MATAMOROS "MADE IT TO CHIEF OF LA FLOR AZUL...BIG TIME, AND LATIN AMERICA (WORLD TRAVELER!)
at the'(DURESS) of the "DORCAS", mano a mano and Flor Azul.., them Dorcas do not ever outside "their kitchen, but "la wanna be gringa sure does"...Who do I mean?
Francisca.
HEY LADIES, LEARN THE "GAME", ITS CALLED "BROWN NOSER!"
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO AND ESPECIALLY AGUILAR KNOW IT WELL!
SI SI mas dinero!!!!!!!
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Enrique:
Es verdad, nadie puede estar a la
fuerza en una iglesia.(CONGREGACION)
Pero....porque engano el diacono
ordenado de tres meses, al Pastor de
DAllas, "diciendole que le iba ayudar a CONTINUAR formar la "nueva obra" de La Alianza?
Y a los tres meses de "ordenado" (desordenado) se fue el diacono
y se llevo, sin permiso del Pastor de Dallas a formar "otra" iglesia, con la AWA La Alianza Apostolica?
Y SE LLEVO 5 FAMILIAS Y TODA VIA SIGUE LLAMADO A MAS QUE SE VALLEN CON EL. En la misma AWA!!!!
Si es verdad que no se pueden "forzar y llevarse a ovejas"..
Pero la "salida, la division" fue
aproposito", clandestina.
Ahora a Torres no le gusta que Bracamontes se quiera llevar obejas., aun que no se las lleve, si asi fuera, no le gusta!
Pero en Dallas, si le gusta a Torres, porque es su cunado?
AHORA SI QUE ESTAMOS BIEN?
ATRASADOS!
NO CREO. ESTO ES FALSO..Y
SIN RESPETO! Una triacion
sin respecto, ni amor cristiano.
Y DONDE ESTA TORRES? EN EL "FACE BOOK, Y ESCRIBIENDO MAS CARTAS, A LA REPRESENTATION DE OTRA ORGANIZACION QUE YA NO ES PARTE DE ELLA!
QUE TRISTE!
DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA...
En eso si estoy de acuerdo que si alguien utiliza tacticas y deshonestidad para tratar de crecer su iglesia con los de otra obra esta muy mal.
Y a esa persona le falta etica.
Tambien no creo que este bien que alguien con poco tiempo de estar apartado o iniciado al ministerio le den una obra.
Hay tanto que aprender y mucho que crecer antes que un obrero este preparado para sacar adelante una obra.
Why?
Because there has always and will be a double standard when it comes to your family or buddies.
I don't care what organization you belong too.
The AA the AWA the UPC even the KKK.
The members will always get the shaft, whether it be from Valverde and company or Torres.
The members always come out losing.
Continuing for Fairnes:
Let me give you some information according to some pastors within the AWA, Abel Torres doesn't attend their activities as much. He'a pretty much on his own and fellowships with other independant churches as well. I think he's smart in going that route it's less problems. The AWA from what I have heard from some of the pastors is they have directors but none of those directors go and take care of issues unless the pastors request for them to mediate. Each congregation has their board of trustees and they take care of their own issues that arise within the congregation. They don't call the GB of an organization like the AA to take care of matters. I guess you been in the AA too long that you've gotten adjusted to that system! What is it that you want for Torres to do if honestly it's none of his business. Pastors Victor Lamas and Martin del Campo aren't babies. Let them take care of their differences. It's idiotic to blame someone for someone else's choices. I guess you blame the devil everytime you make bad choices. WHAT A COP-OUT!
Hello Apostolicos
Let’s try and ascertain what is most important here.
I will use a standard modus ponens argument.
Modus ponens argument 1
The leadership of The Apostolic Assembly is defective.
If the leadership of The Apostolic Assembly was produced by “Apostolic Assembly Doctrine”, then the doctrine is defective.
Modus ponens argument 2
The leadership of The Apostolic Assembly is defective.
If “Apostolic Assembly Doctrine” is preached by defective leadership, then what they preach is defective.
This whole idea of stealing sheep (members) just goes to show you, it was never in support of “Christ’s Kingdom” but rather an attempt to satisfy their own thirst for glory and power.
None of these pastors have been properly theologically trained. How many of you would allow a doctor to operate on you, if he had never gone to medical school. Or how many of you would allow a lawyer to represent you in court if he had never gone to law school.
The Apostolic Assembly has no seminaries/schools. It does not publish any decent literature. It is not a major Christian frontrunner.
Its pastor’s live copiously off the congregations. They receive salaries, paid vacations, automobiles and mortgages.
All for just completing Tomo I and Tomo II.
If I were in the Assembly now, I would be asking myself a question, did God really send these men to preach His Kingdom.
Continuing for Fairness,
Sorry but you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. "Sheep stealing" is a socially constructed term used by pastors to place blame on others instead of blaming themselves.
God has given us free will and not even a pastor can override the right to free will. If a member leaves, it is because he/she has CHOSEN to leave.
I sense you are narcissistic and probably a terrible pastor which is why you resort to the term "sheep stealing". You never owned them in the first place. I can't steal from you what you don't own. Pastor's do not own sheep.
TO Continuing for Fairness:
You sound like the same pedo amargado that keeps resurfacing with a stinkier scent everytime! Que te hizo Torres que estas tan amargado! Predicabas puras tonterias y babosadas hasta que te paro Torres tu huato! Te acuerdas que tu tambien andabas metiendote en casas diciendole a la gente que no se fueran con Torres y muchos te corrieron! Por eso estas amargadito! Aqui en Califas sabemos todo de ti y de tu familia que son puros traidores! Ya no has visto a Abel Aguilar! Te saca la vuelte el vato he!!!!
What is going to happen next:
All true and more true and more true, concerning Abel Torres???
If all is true, then my lst comment has been all along....Why write to a
totally dysfunctional Sanchez and all the rest of his Mafiosos, on
"ponencias this and poencias that,
and advocating for the AA Pastors, as if Torres is the solution!
And my comment # 2 without further is. Like Enrique "finally" stated, "BE ORDAINED FOR THREE MONTHS AND WITH NO EXPIERENCE GO OUT AND BE A PASTOR?"
And I say, a man, in this case, that wants to be a Pastor, should come out front and not betray a Pastor to ordain him, and speak to the AWA "recruitors" and
simply state, "That he would like
to go out and start home studies,
what ever you call it: (cell groups, encurentros, re-encuentros etc.) and be considered to be "ordained" to be
a Pastor.
And "not betray" a trusting Pastor:
The Bible clearly states,"Not to establish yourself in someone else's foundation."
But do we respect that, in the AA and now in the AWA..."NO!"
This man De los Campos who did this division, admitted to be "part of the local AWA Church board," and after being ordained for three months, decides clandestinly, take off and call the AWA recruitors and say he wants to "Incorporate with the guide lines of the AWA, independently and automus, self governed, and the AWA "recruitors" Abel Torres, approved and De los Campos left the DAllas Pastor of the "newly formed AWA incorporating churches, "astonished, hurt and betrayed!!!"
Plus the deacon took 5 families and wants more!
And that is what Abel Torres considered to be "one of his recruiter Pastors" from the DAllas area of the Apostolic Assembly?
Wow!.
The AA is a "has been" for TORRES AND NOTHING WILL BE "DONE" ABOUT JOELITOS MONTES PROPERTY IN HOUSTON.
AND JOELITO "WILL CONTINUE TO "GET" HIS CREDENTIALS.
TOUGH LUCK. BUT TRUE.
"REMEMBER THE "OLD SAYING" SOME HAVE TO DO AND OTHERS DO NOT HAVE TO DO"
QUIROZ WAS AND "IS STILL" A JIVER"
HE MARRIED A "TWICE" DIVORCED WOMAN AND IS STILL IN FULL PLEDGE COMMUNION!
AND QUIROZ HAD THE "ODASITY" TO "TELL SANCHEZ AND THE GB TO "OUST" THE PLAINTIFF".. THE GULL!!!
AND WHO OUSTED HIM WHEN HE MARRIED "A LA "TENCHA". "TWICE DIVORCED"
SO SEE JOELITO MONTES WILL KEEP THE PROPERTY IN "HIS AND "HERS" NAME AND STILL "CONTINUE TO GET" HIS CREDENTIALS.
AND THERE AIN'T NOTHING TORRES CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!
WE DON'T LIKE IT EITHER, BUT SANCHEZ AND HIS GANG ALWAYS "WIN"!
Torres, unfortunately "chose that".
BY SUEING!
To Pide Sabiduria: Ya Basta My friend, I call it as we all see things going down AA bridge is falling
On another note:
Danny and Sammy are really rivals and are not friends really, they have blame each other for what has happened and they will continue to do so. What Sammy expects and hopes will happen is that Danny admits that the whole mess was his fault (Ol' Danny Sanchez) and then Sammy can say to everybody "See? It was all Danny boy!"
And the AA pastoship (Zzzz) will be fooled a 2x.
Trophy loser:
Your vulgar language gives you away.
Como esta Ester la loca que te soporta.
Que lastima que quisieras ser de California pero no te toleramos ni un dia...Por ser que solo Las Cruces, no ha podido "hecharte" fuera.
Simpre oramos por los Pastores de Nuevo Mexico que Dios les ayude a "soportarte"M AUN DE VECINO!
Pues ellos han "sufrido" tanto, en haber tenido que "tolerarte," aun cuando ya ERES TRINO".
Regresa a la escuela secundaria para que tengas un vocabulario mejor porque en tu casa siempre te ensenaron "palabras sucias, y defamadoras", y la desgracia es que tu Padre fue que "disque" Pastor, y te escandalisas con el Mafios Sanchez Y SU PANDILLA; si tu eres peor de Amargado.
Yo digo porque Abel Torres no defendio a su amigo Pastor de Dallas, que fue recrutado por Torres de la Asamblea.
Por que fue el cunado de Torres que le hizo la "division" a el Pastor de la Alianza Apostolica.
Que pueden esperar los Pastores que se quieren "unir con la Alianza Apostolica. Si nadie los defiende., como en la AA.
LABATE tus dientes DIABOLICOS, si acaso todavia tienes con "JABON LABA".
ERES PURO "TRINO" PORQUE LA AA, NI LA UPC, NI LA IGLESIA, NI LA AWA
TE TOLERAN!
TIENES MIL DEMONIOS!
Y SIEMPRE LOS HAS TENIDO.
VETE A CONGREGAR CON ABEL AGUILAR, EL TOLERA A TODOS!
AUN A SU HIJA!
Okay Not continuing for fairness there has not been a massive division.
None like the one we have seen since the AA divison.
The only one sowing division is you.
The awa was not created by Pastor Torres.
So get over it we know you envy the man so much that all you do is waste your time talking about him. Not only in here but everywhere you go.
I can see that greened eyed giant rearing his ugly head.
Move on and stop being so obssessed with Torres.
Get a life and find your own path instead of coveting Torres so much.
Do something productive with your life.
Because we can all tell that you just love Torres and probably wish you could be him.
Out of the abundance of thy heart speaketh thy mouth.
So we know that you are just crazy about Torres and that you think of him constantly because you always only ever write about him.
D
Okay folks regarding the DEADLINE for pastors to comply with the new AA law. It has been moved! Sanchez and the GB said "mi mama dijo que siempre no!" That means he was only BLUFFING!!!! You got two more months to go! This guy is now playing with your EMOTIONS!
gunter please stop filibustering
and deviating from the fact, that
not only in Dallas, but also in
Sacramento has there been serious
problems with the deacons, wanna
be Pastors, without any experience.
In our opinion, Abel Torres is a
Midland, Texas extremely naive and
just a nice man. But when he got
together with the Tijuana and El Centro Gang, they "fooled" him
terribly. Because Torres thought
the General Board were good men of God, fearful and concerned about the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Incorporated.
Because Bishop Valentin Torres had been a "true" christian, devoted and consecrated to God's work. Abel thought everyone was the same.
But to Abel Torres, surprise he was "shocked" to see the "real Mafia" in action.
That and only that reason Iam saying, Please do not "acknowledge" these Mafiosos.
They only laugh at the "constant"
letters they receive, and interpret and conclude that Abel Torres, is desperately ''MISSING THEM'. (WHICH WE KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE). But that is what Sanchez, and his Pandilleros say.
Another thing. Word got around fast, to the fact that it was sent to us via E-mail that this division was done in Dallas caused by the brother in-law of Torres.
To the dissapointment of many Pastors who have "determined" to LEAVE THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY, and join the AWA fellowship.
That and only that reason we plea with Abel Torres who everyone thinks that he was the "Master mind" of initiated the a grouping of the Apostolic World Alliance.
To look into the matter of the Dallas pastor so that this will
not continue in other AWA agrouping
and therefore discourage other
AA Pastors to adhere.
Do not misinterpret my intentions.
But look like they say, :Go to from the "fire" to the burning furnace."
We Pastor's have God on our side and definitely he will hear from Heaven our prayers.
But it is not fair what was done to the Pastor in Dallas and in Sacramento, from people that have
considered the Apostolic Assembly
unfair, only to find "unfairness"
with indifference from the AWA's
"recruiters".
God Bless you.
To WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT:
You are "right on"..No one but you
could put it so correctly.
"Mi MAMA DIGO QUE NO!!"
You hit it right on the "nail".
That is why we all say, to our great
loss, that YOU WOULD HAVE MADE THE
BEST PRESIDING BISHOP THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY WOULD HAVE EVER HAD, OR WILL EVER HAVE!!!
WHAT A LOSS!
But that is why we know "Babsabol,"
the Lord rebuke him, knew that 'YOU' were of a very "unique anointed mind."
And would save the Apostolic Assembly...But there is so much jealousy and evilness among our people. So much insecurities and
evil ambition. No way would YOU
have had a chance with these Mafiosos.
The god, father movie was again on AMC and again it was so easy to "indentify" each of the GB Member's spirit with those in the "Cosa nosostra".
Very sad...Lack of prayer and lack of respecting one another and Acknowledging the HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR CONGREGATION. INSTEAD OF THE "HIP, HOP" AND DIABOLIC RITMO.
WE LOST IT FOREVER!
DEAR LORD PLEASE HEAR OUR PRAYERS.
REBUKE AND DISSAPATE REMOVE, DISAPPEAR, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, AGUILAR, MAFFEY, PRADO, MARTIN AND ESPINOZA.
PLEASE LORD JESUS, HEAR OUR PRAYERS.
IN JESUS NAME! AMEN!
Para "WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT"
Considerando tu escrito de que Los Mafiosos, de Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Maffey,(el consentdor de el pecado de sus hermanos Ricardo y Sergio Maffey);
Prado, Martin del Campo,Aguilara,
y Espinosa.
Que dijieron sobre el abuso de mas y mas dinero a los Pastores de La Asamblea de la Fe en Cristo Jesus Incorporada.
Que seis meses mas: "Porque mi MAMA DIJO QUE NO".
Es tan bien dicho...de tu parte, le distes al "clavo"!
Por eso decimos y siempre decimos que TU hubieras sido el mejor Obispo Presidente que la Asamblea han tenido y nunca tendra."
Pero Basabul,que el Senor lo reprenda; sabia esto es como todo, ha puesto "en poder" a ESTOS
MAFIOSOS, que "corren" HULLEN, nomas los vemos, porque 'SABEN MUY BIEN QUE SON "CARTAS" LEIDAS".
En las manos de estos torpes, ignorantes, AMBISIOSOS DE "TORPES GANANCIAS", del Dinero sagrado de las 'DORCAS, VARONES, JOVENES, JUNIORS Y NINOS. "FLOR AZUL, MANO A MANO!!
Y DE DIESMOS DE DIESMOS, de nuestros hermanitos y hermanitas que "trabajan tan dificil" que han sido "exploitados" por estos LOBOS RAPASES!!
PORBRES MISERABLES DE ELLOS, Y MUY PRONTO!!
Llegara "pronto" el dia cuando estaran "solos" y abundonados y olvidados como esta el Pastor de Portland, Oregon , que tambien era del mismo "tipo" exajerado de Dinero y mas Dinero.
Lo hemos visto...con aquellos que "oprimieron" a los hermanitos y hermanitas" muchos innocentes que aun, "HASTA AHORITA" no saben de que Sanchez, Valverde y Pacheco, y Maffey reciben $10,000.00, DIEZ MIL DOLARES.....CADA CUATRO SEMANAS DE LAS IGLESIAS, FLOR AZUL ETC.,
Y AUN TIENEN SUS CONGREGACIONES QUE LE "SACAN" DE $5,000.00 POR MES!!!!
YA BASTA:
"DIOS DE ABRAHAM, ISAAC Y DE JACOB, DIOS DE LAS EDADES....
REPONDE, Y SACA FUERA ESTOS DIABLOS DE SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, AGUILAR, MAFFEY, PRADO, MARTIN DEL CAMPO Y ESPINOZA."
"TE PEDIMOS EN AYUNO Y ORACION, DIOS ETERNO;;QUE LOS REPRENDAS CON TU FUROR..COMO HISISTE CON SAUL, CON NABUCODONOSOR, Y TODOS LOS QUE "OPRIMIERON A TU PUEBLO"..
EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO:
"SACALOS" AHORA MISMO"
SENOR JESUS.
OYE EL CLAMOR DE TU PUEBLO!"
"DEFIENDENOS SENOR,DIOS TODO PODEROSO!" "MANIFIESTA TU PODER!"
POR AMOR A TUS ESCOJIDOS!"
"WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT"
GOD CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS...BELIEVE..
WE PRAY!
Pide Sabiduria y ya Basta:
I consider it a compliment that you would consider me a candidate for president of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus. Unfortunately, it will NEVER HAPPEN because you know how the AA feels about a woman running for bishop much less for president!! The AA WOULD probably be in better shape if the women were running the Assembly rather than these "sissy's!"
HASTA LA VISTA!!
Signed,
Pink Rose!
To What is going to Happen Next:
Please....Your back ground knowledge of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Incorporated is awesome!!
But of course we do not blame you for "needing" to keep your "identidad" to your self.
And we respect that!
As for myself...God only knows!!!
There are many times that to write in these blogs, hesitation comes to me for the "sake" of so many "saints" that serve God under the hospices of the AA.,
Months go by and "THEN"...
Write again. Do not with hold the "truth".
"He who holds back the truth", holds back knowledge"..
The word of God.
Considering Winston Churchhill, the English Statesman, who gave out the alarm on the satanic agenda of the Third Reich, and he was a "lone" voice in the night.
Sometimes all of us that are "serious" people, and have the "courage" who write in these blogs., and have "no" need to "swear" or use vulgarity.
And because we have immense of Apostolic Assembly, UPC, Iglesia de Mexico, and other countries, of "Church History", and could say,
much more but because of the chosen "ones" we refrain, from saying more "truth".
God bless His Church: God bless you and your family.
Keep informing us.
(By the way, just last night in prayer) this truth came to me...
After September'S "FRAUD" in Anaheim..
What about the land that has been purchased by the "Mafiosos, Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Maffey, (covering the sins of his brothers, Ricardo and Sergio) Prado, Aguilar, Martin,
Espinoza.
The land outside of Dallas, under the name of APOSOTLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF "TEXAS".
WHO IS INVESTIGATING THAT?
(HAVE YOUR GOOD SOURCES GIVEN YOU ANY "SOLID" INFO?
???WHERE IS "ROJAS", ALVAREZ, GERMAIN, DUARTE, MARIO RODRIGUEZ,
TAMEZ,HERMAN GARZA?
THESE PERSONS KNOW, EXACTLY WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS?
Well of course, those living in Texas can inquire at the City Clerk of Dallas county where that property is. No doubt the "mafiosos"
have that corporation in "their own names:"
(the four "traitors" sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Espinoza,
Maffey. (Judas)the money keeper.
And may God have mercy on us all!
Paz de Cristo a-
Ustedes Pastores,Obispos, Ancianos, y todo el cuerpo Ministerial que disque, "son fieles" a los Mafiosos, de Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Maffey, que ( encubre los pecados, horibles de sus hermanos Ricardo y Sergio)
Prado, Aguilar, Martin del Campo, y de Espinoza.
Ustedes Pastores, se han recordado de la "Incorporacion en Texas" que estos "Mafiosos" han "formulado".
Que dicen compraron muchos acres, a las afueras de Dallas, hace como cuatro anos?
Los que saben de esta corporacion, y de ese terreno son tambien,
Mario Rodriguez, Tamez, Herman Garza, que un tiempo fue de Mexico;
Rojas, que trabajo en las oficinas en Cuca Monga; Alvarez, y Germain.
Ustedes "QUE SON" tan fieles a estos Mafiosos, QUE NO IMPORTA A QUIEN "MATAN Y LE DAN BOLA NEGRA",
USTEDES DEBERIAN DE ESTAR "bien informados" sobre esa corporacion en Texas.
Y es muy facil para los que saben de "bienes y raices"
(REal Estate) en que nombre esta
esa Corporacion?
Es muy facil saber que si estos Mafiosos que han hecho "tanto" dano a la Iglesia y a ustedes, y quieren
MAS Y MAS Y MAS Y MAS Y MAS DINERO..,sin
ninguna consienciea!!!
Y ELLOS NO SE "RECUCIN" EL SALDO MENSUAL QUE RECIBEN DE $10,000.00
DIES MIL DOLARES "CADA CUATRO SEMANAS"
ADEMAS EL "SALDO" QUE RECIBIN DE SUS CONGREGACIONES COMO $5,000.00 POR MES....TODOS ELLOS!!
Y A USTED LE "SACAN" MAS Y MAS!
Es muy posible que esa corporacion en Texas este a nombre de los cuatro "Mafiosos".
Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Maffey,. (el tesorero como Judas)!
Y DE AGUILAR QUE LES DA (GRANTS)
DIESPERTEN MINISTROS: "YA BASTA"!!!
Dios tenga misericordia de nosotros, y la Iglesia de el Senor Jesus!
To Panchita:
Sometimes I wonder, how come those "legalistas" Aguilar, Valverde, Sanchez and Pacheco always "need" to------
be around "Union City" where the "roots of the Flor azulers" homosextuals rooted. Adam Lopez off
spring. (ruined so many young men in the AA and UPC.
Sure we all know that the "brown noser," Adam Lopez, has a "condo"in
Hawaii and goes golfing with them
buddies.
Thousand of dollars are collected at those "singing" "hip" hop" rallies.
That is where the wife of the Florzilers that lives in Lousiana, middle of the "road" UPC and AA.GOES TO SING.
Heard she has to "perform" to the extent of "fainting" to please the
"clan".
Sure that must be "one" of the reasons Aguilar "advocates" and "promotes!
the rally yearly, so his daughter "twice divorced" remarried daughter,in FULL PLEDGED COMMUNION, Josie sings!
WHAT A FATHER WON'T DO FOR A DAUGHTER. huh Aguilar?
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE "OTHER" DAUGHTER'S AND SON'S OF AA MEMBERS "YOU," AGUILAR HAVE "KICKED" AND EXCOMMUNICATED:
LIKE THE AGUIRRE WHO WAS MARRIED TO YOUR DAUGHTER THAT "YOU" OUSTED WITH THE HELP OF "YOUR BUDDY" LEO THE LION, MAFFEY' OUT OF THE ENGLISH
SERVICES IN ORANGE?
REMEMBER? REMEMBER?
AND NOW YOU HAVE SONS IN "STOLEN" CHURCHES...BROTHER WILLIE'S CHURCH AND ONE MILLION DOLLAR OFFERING IN
LONG ISLAND?
WHAT A BREAK!
AND WHERE IS THE AGUIRRE MINISTER?
WHAT ABOUT THAT..LEGALIST SCREAMER?
estube
considerando
el comentario
de El
'homenaje'
de
el
Pastor Baldemar
Rodriguez.En
internet,
electronico,
Me habian dicho
de esto
pero, no puedo creer
que el hermano Baldemar
consienta que este
U tube de el
donde se le
hace "homenaje".
Esto es lo que
nos paso aqui en
la Asamblea
Apostolica
donde se le hace
"homenaje" a los
hombres, y no a Dios.
En la historia
de la Asamablea
habido muchos hombres,
y mujeres
de Dios que
"ambrieron"
obras en tiempos
"muy deficles"
y
lobregos.
Hombres y mujeres
que dieron su vidas
a Dios que nunca
hubieran permetido
esos hermanos pioneros
que
se les hiciera,
ningun "homenaje".
Ellos recibieran
"el galardon, en
el Cielo!
Se puede ver
claramente que
El Hermano Baldemar,
al no recibir ningun
reconocimiento
como ex-miembro
de la Mesa Directiva
Nacional, demando
a la Asamblea.
Que triste que
este hombre,Baldemar,
nunca tubo fin
de "homenajes."
Por eso estos
que destryeron
la Asamblea,
los 8 de la Mesa
Directiva, nunca
tienen fin de
'homenajes",
y dinero siempre
por siempre.
Aprendieron muy
bien por el hermano
Baldemar.
Pero ellos de la
Mesa Direc., no
tienen la culpa,
lo "aprendieron"
de el hermano
Baldermar.
Por favor..
Ya se paso de
"moda".
Arrepientanse.
Dios es Dios "celoso".
A El solo es la
Honra y la Gloria
por la eternidad.
"Horrenda cosa es
caller en las Manos
del Dios vivo."
Word from End Times.
Word is that when Valverde walks in. They will have to Play
"Hail to the Chief"
Pacheco is mad that when makes his appearance they will play
"Short people got no reason to live"
no mo money...good one bro...
IAMREAL
End Times? I'd dare say, End of Time for the GB8. End Times of the innocence, faith and trust of so many wonderful hermanos y hermanas of the AA, and End Times for the greed, brown-nosers, the shylocks and the "mentirosos y largas-lenguas."
"Pero, si me dejas subir a la mesa directiva, y a como sea y cueste lo que me cobres, pues te lo lavo bien, y todo como tu quieras y a tu gusto!"
Just heard from reliable sources, that many are "exiting" the fraudlent news blogs to go to "Face Book".
Name it of Pastors of the AA and AWA and UPC Iglesia de Mexico, they are
"all living now" at "Face Book"!
Good so "they can all be found out to what they do...for "evaluation".
Heard that many are "so scared" and surprised" to see each other,
sooooo "old looking" and grey."
Well there is "no problem" with the wives of the GBM, because all of them, expect Evita Fierro, la distinguida, married to Sanchez,
they all "color" their grey.
Well and more well where have the "leagistas" gone?
That is the reason that Connie, married to Lion Maffey,THE GENERAL SECRETARY and the brother of the two other Sergio, and Richard, the reprobates; Connie, has her hair "jet" black,
Raquel, and Seseia, the one that married to the screamer. all jet black hair is "their style".
Que bueno que las esposas de los Pastores de la Asamblea se ha "revelado" contra la hipocrecia de sus Maridos..Y especial mente los de la Mesa Directiva, las esposas "han formado" una "revolucion".
Y no se dejan ver las canas de sus cabellos. Todas se han "modernizado" y se formaron "una rebulucion" Y TODAS SE PINTAN LAS
CANAS!!
HOLA PASTORES, YA NO PUEDES CONTROLAR A TU MUJER!
DONDE ESTA LO "LEGALISTICA" QUE ERAS..
QUE TU MUJER SE PINTA EL PELO, Y TU CONGREGACION NO PUEDE!
HIPOCRITAS!!!
'SACA LA VIGA DE TU OJO!.
Es mucha verdad
Seen and Lived it.
La esposa de mi Pastor
se "pinta" el cabello
de su cabeza.
Hace dias vino
el evangelista Pacheco,
y nos dio una buena
"reganada" porque las
Dorcas todas se
pintan "el cabello
de sus cabezas".
Principalmente la
esposa del Pastor.
Pero dijo una hermana,
"porque no, me lo he
de pintar?
Si la Francisa,(PANCHITA)
que
era de Houston, y
ahora es Presidenta
de Las Dorcas de
la confederacion.
Francisca (PANCHITA)
se pinta
las "canas".
Y tambien la esposa
de Valerde, Maffey,
Pacheco el evangelista,
la esposa "amargada"
de
Aguilar, y la esposa
de Prado, la que corre
y corre y nunca llega.
Si ellas todas se
pintan el cabello de
sus cabesas, y son
"tan legalistas" en todo
lo demas.
Entonces que
"ya no pidan"
mas y mas y mas y mas
dinero.!
Quieren que demos mas
y mas diezmos...
Porque dicen que es
pecado no "pagar"
los diezmos."
Y nos condenan por
eso.
Pero si se pintan
"las canas" y solo
la "doctrina" de
ofrendas y diezmos,
siguen!
Hipocritas:
Tambien se "cortan"
el cabello, corto,
y se "ponen EL CHONGO
FAMOSO POSTISO!
Sigan la doctrina,
antigua, o callanse la
"boca".
Que tiene que ver que las
mujersitas se corten el pelo,
y arriba se ponen un "chongo
postiso"?
Que tiene que ver que se
pinten el cabello "negro, negro,
negro, o rubio"?
Que tiene que ver?
Como dice la Biblia "miden el
mos.......quito y se tragan "el camello"!
Como 90% de las esposas de los ministros, ya sean Obispos, ancianos, Pastores y diaconos,
SE CORTAN y SE CORTAN EL CABELLO, Y SE PONEN "UN CHONGO POSTISO!!
Esto esta bien, cuando esos ministros, no condenan a los miembros por no pagar diezmos,
ofrendas.
La doctrina, es la doctrina,
Si fue cambiada, que sea asi..
Pero no sean tan "legalistas"
en lo otro., de los miembros.
Arepentanse!
To all bloggers on Face-book!
Just heard that Abel Torres
"attempted" to reconcile his
brother in law de Martin de los
Campos, and the Pastor in Dallas,
Never seem to remember his name.
But the emphases was "that
all families that left with
Martin de los Campos were to
return to the Pastor in Dallas.
Is this really true?
God have mercy!
I think I heard Eddie sermon for endtimes was going be.
"I believe in miracles"
" How in the world do you think I won with only 2 votes"!
Continuing and becoming infatuated.
I am sorry to say but you just love this Torres so much.
I am sorry to say but compared to what the GB has done and all it's associates during the past for years. By far out weighs your little comment you are so repetative you sound like a broken record or scratched cd.
You keep saying the same thing over and over and over.
Lets get on the Gb they promote homosexuality, greed, anger, unfaithfulness, corruption, they can not even get the organization together it is like a a dead stop. They have questionable arguments.
They have caused massive division. They have caused people to leave God altogether.
They lie cheat there way to power. They lust for power.
Now weight that out compared to what you are saying and you and all the Gb supporter's are guilty of the same sins. So I know you all have wild parties going on in your conventions. There is drinking, backstabbing, hypocrosy, everyone talks about everyone. No kind of spirit of God in them. They all have double lives and then began to blackmail others to keep there skeletons in the closet.
So would like me to go on and on. AS you do because believe I can pull out all the dirt compared to what you say and never repeat myself twice in a row.
So instead of cleaning up your church and your house and all the things you all continue to do so that you all can be saved.
You waste your time on trying to bring down one man with something that is so stupid it sounds like a kindergarden argument that you are trying to bring to a university converstaion.
Graduate out of Grade school then maybe we will just take you serious.
yo se un secreto y como kero decirlo sta aki en mi lengua y s la verdad y no juego
ES UN HECHO! ES UN HECHO!
La congregacion de Joel Montes; NLC INC. voto que no se cambiara el nombre a AA Inc. esto fue el Marzo 10 dia miercoles.
Joel Montes lo hizo asi, porque el corazon de el y de su esposa esta con la AA Inc. vea la carta la presidente Sanchez en Joel Matters.
Para el dia 30 de Abril 2010 es la fecha tope para enviar los P&L, Bank Statements y cambiar las propiedades a AA Inc. Esto lo dijo nuestro pastor.....
Me lo contaron que Montes habia tenido un reunion con la iglesia el
pasado miercoles. Si es verdad que el corazon de Montes y su esposa esta con AA Inc., el lo escribio en la carta al presidente de la AA
Inc. etsa en Montes Matters.
Joel Montes lo que hizo es dejar la puerta abierta.................
fue decision de la iglesia local y no yo y mi esposa. Sabio el hombre.
gunter-
Once and for all....the fact is that if the AWA is telling the AA Pastors to "come with us" "we will do you right".
Then why and why we ask again and again, did the directors of the AWA, which include Abel Torres and others, "approve the divided members that left the Church in Dallas in the same group of the AWA to "incorporate"
and become a new congregation and "iglesia" in the same city.
If there is no "respect" to a Pastor of the AWA who with extreme
difficulties and sacrifices, left the AA, "looking" for "better ground", and with hopes of having,
Christian respect from the AWA group.
And then wam...out goes the deacon, the bass player, brother in law of Torres and takes 5 families, after only being ordained thrrrreeeee months!(e months)
Takes the music instruments, and five families and is still "calling" and "recruiting" others.
????And things are "better" at the AWA???
That my dear sister is "my main" concern and "nothing" else. Just "Plain" christian ethics> Respect, honor and trust?
Where is it? ??with the AWA?
We doubt it?
Don't deviate from the "FACTS" from the "real problem,"
It is so typical of you "trouble makers and "attention getters" facts are facts...and don't "side track".
YOU SAY YOU WANT "JUSTICT"?
Well only when it involved "your little skin", and your ego?
But where is justice and respect, truth and honor toward the AWA Pastor in Dallas that the AWA "recruitors", just as Torres, allowed his brother in law to incorporate, form a "so call" new church with splitting the congregation of the Dallas Pastor that "confided and trusted Abel Torres who was the "recruiter" in Texas for the AWA?
You tell me to "get a life".
Well we do have a life, and part of the it is "looking out" for the mistreated and ill respected Pastor in Dallas, of the AWA.
Because it "appears" that the Awa'S Abel Torres "recruitor" is too busy looking out for "Montes" in Houston and writing "letters" to get more and more "notoriety".
It is a great let down, to leave the AA and find the "other side of the Mountain was the "same or worse".
"Lord we have only you to go to."
gunter---
Me sigues diciendo que "me procupo, mucho por Abel Torres>.
Pues la verdad es que ya basta que el groupo de la AWA (Alliancia) le este diciendo a Pastores de la Asamblea que en la AWA todo lo van a tener mejor.
Pues asi sera...Pero nosotros preguntamos. Si Abel Torres que es uno de los "recrutores" y "mas escandalose de La Justicia, Honor Y verdad?
Porque no defiende al Pastor de Dallas de la Alianza, que el cunado de Torres le dividio la iglesia alla en Dallas, al Pastor de la Alianza. Siendo que el cunado de Torre tenia nomas tres meses de haber sido "ordenado", por el Pastor de Dallas, para que le ayudara en la iglesia de la "Alianaza."
Si le Alianza este "prometiendo" a los Pastores y miembros de la Asamblea que "todo" esta "mejor" en la Alianza, entonces por que los "recurtores de la Alianza"
"permitieron" al cunado de Torres, que se dividiera se llevara los instumentos, y 5 familias?
Si Abel Torres no ayuda a su amigo el Pastor de Dallas, que Torres mismo "recruto", entonces que se puede esperar para nosotros otros Pastores de la Asamblea?
Por eso dice la palabra de Dios>
"Senor a quien iremos?"
gunter: me te salgas de "onda", lo justo es lo justo. Y donde esta el respecto, la Justicia, y etica christiana que tanto "reclama" Torres?
Torres esta "involucrado" en lo que pasa con Joel Montes., que "suelte" el titulo de la propiedad en Houston..y tambien en escribir
cartas, y mas cartas, contra la Mesa Directiva,
PARA DARSE MAS "REALSE
Y OLVIDATE DE TU AMIGO EN DALLAS QUE LO TRASIONASTE!
DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE TORRES!
DON'T KNOW:
LA TRUCHA:
WOW!! COMO ESTARA CONTENTO... ABEL TORRES, QUE TIENE "UNA VENDATTA" PERSONAL CON JOEL MONTES DE HOUSTON, POR MAS DE 20 ANOS:
AL FIN SE VAN A CUMPLIR LOS GRANDES DESEOS DE ABEL TORRES QUE MONTES NO SEA "EL SOLITARIO" DE LA PROPIEDAD QUE HEREDO DE SU "SUEGRO".!
Pero la verdad es que Joel Montes y su destinguida..."VENDE DE TODO",
AUN "CRUISES DE BARQUOS".
VITAMINAS, TONICOS PARA "REDUCIR", Y "NIEVE AL LOS ESKIMOS"!
Los Montes saben que ya vienen los
"nombramientos" de la Mesa Directiva en Septiembre, en Anaheim., asi es que ....Joel Montes saldra de Presidente de la Asamblea Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus Incorporada.
Y la "vende" de todo...saldra de Presidenta de Las Dorcas Femenil, de la Confederacion.!
Joel Montes y su distinguida, "VENDE DE TODO"
EXPLOTANDO A LOS HERMANITOS de las Iglesias...
Joel y su distinguida, chongo de plastico..SON TOTAL MENTE "POLITICOS"...
SABEN A QUIEN "HACERLE LA BARBA".
MALOS CON LOS MIEMBROS...PERO SUAVE CON LOS PASTORES Y SUS ESPOSAS, QUE INFLUENCIAN A SUS ESPOSOS QUE "VOTEN" POR JOEL MONTES, Y LA "VENDE" DE TODO!
ESTO ES BIEN CALCULADO DE JOEL MONTES, APLACENTAR A Sanchez, valverde, pacheco, y ya esta de Presidente, DE LA ASAMBLEA, al cambiar el titulo de la propiedad de la iglesia de Houston.
A Joelito "no se le se "le quema"
nada.
Todo lo calcula...el Politico.
Propagadista!!
Wow y mas Wow.
Que cree Joel Montes, que somos "tontos"?????
ALERTA SAMUEL VALVERDE, Y PACHECO, HAY TE VA UN NUEVO PRESIDENTE: JOEL MONTES....ESA ES LA RAZON DEL CAMBIO DE "EL TITULO"..
HA!
try again Joel???
WE ARE "WAY AHEAD OF YOU, BUDDY"!
No Nonsense:
El problema en Dallas ya esta resulto.Martin del Campo empezo la
obra 40 millas de distancia del pastor Llamas; y las familias viven
alli 40 millas de Dallas, Texas.
De que se ve mal, se ve mal tres meses de diacono...pero si ya hubo
reconcilacion entre Martin del Campo y el pastor Llamas que pondemos hacer No Nonsense. Nada!!!
No sense you just admitted to having two names on this blog. I said that to continuing for fairness to you no sense.
So you just insinuated that you have two names on this blog.
So dont try to make it seem like there are so many when it only one person that is writting.
Okay No sense/continuing for fairness.
Foolishness only comes out of the mouth of fools.
gunter---
Me sigues diciendo que "me procupo, mucho por Abel Torres>.
gunter---
"Me sigues diciendo que "me procupo, mucho por Abel Torres>."
quoting No sense when I was refering to Continuing for fairness.
GUNTER YOU HAVE FIVE
NAMES ON THESE BLOGS,
THAT WE KNOW OFF.
1.GUNTER
2.CAMINANDO VOY
3.VETE TE DIGO
4.ALAMO CITY
5.ITS ALL OVER!
THE REASON WE "ALL SOUND"
THE SAME IS BECAUSE WE
CAN ANSWER FOR EACH OTHER
SINCE WE "CAN SEE" THE
REAL ISSUE TO ALL THIS
LAW SUIT, DISCOMFORMITY,
JEALOUSY, "JUSTICE, HONESTLY
AND REVOLUTION." its all false
and "egocentric"
IT ALL STARTED WITH TORRES,
"QUE LE DOLIO SU CARNITA",
Y "HIZO LA REVOLUCION".
CON LA AYUDA DE BALDEMAR,
SALOMON, HERMAN GARZA,
GUZMAN, Y AVILA.
TODO POR QUE?
Baldemar
hizo poooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr
anos...Fraude, y mas Fraude,
for 23 anos...Y que hizo entonces,
for "REVOLUCION, JUSTICIA Y
LEALTAD, Y TODO LO QUE PUEDAS
DECIRLO".?
Ahora que? Estan fuera,
y mas fuera, y se quieren
llevar a todos los Pastores,
que estan sufriendo en la
Asamblea.
Pero quien les enseno al
fraude, del corrupo de Sanchez,
VAlverde, Pacheco y los demas?????????????
Al que se le 'HACE HOMENAJE", por
Abel torres.
Si sabes la HISTORIA DE LA ASAMBLEA, NO HAY NI SIQUIERA, "UN SOLO LOGRO" QUE BALDEMAR HIZO.
NI UNO...NADA.
Quien les enseno???
Todo lo vieron por anoooossss,
cuando lo mismo se hizo por
siempre.!!! FRAUDE Y MAS FRAUDE EN LAS ELECCIONES!
Ahora que?
Ni defiende Abel Torres a su
amigo. Y no son 40 millas
de distancia de la iglesia del
Pastor de Dallas. Son unas cuantas
cuadras. Pero al fin es cunado
de Abel Torres.
Y si asi se va ha seguir haciendo
fraude, sin respecto a los Pastores de la "alianza", entonces, que. Mejor irse con
la UPC Hispana.
Que triste..
?Senor a Quien iremos?? Solo a ti
Senor Jesus.
Para que los llaman los de la Alianza que nos vallanos con ellos.
Para "salvarnos" de Sanchez etc.,
los MAFIOSOS>
DIOS LOS VA A SACAR A ESOS LOBOS REPASES! SOLO CON ORACION Y AYUNO!.
A SANCHEZ Y A SUS "MAFIOSOS".
PERO Abel Torres, no ayudo a su
propio amigo de Dallas, Pastor de la Alianza Apostolica., Entonces, tu crees, GUNTER ETC., que nos va a ayudar a nosotros?
No...nunca., Nomas no da igual a Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, nos da
"BOLA NEGRA."
Asi se siente bien,
Y sigue, ALIANDO, "de el negocio de Joel Montes, y escribiendo
\cartas y mas cartas. Con "poniencia" tras "poniencia"
Y que de la "Alianza"..
Ni va a las reuniones de la Alianza, ni ayuda ni defiende al Pastor de Dallas, su amigo, que recruto de la Asamblea. Solo
se hace "sordo",ABEL TORRES, porque al fin, Martin de Campo es su cunado.
Por eso estamos "desepionados" del
comportamiento de Abel Torres.
Y eso y nada mas. Al fin todo
quedo en nada. Y esta fuera de la Asamblea. Y ni aun se reunione
con la Alianza!
DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA!!I
Hahaha don't make me laugh. I do not know who these other names belong too.
Nice attempt and trying to get at me. When have they ever responded for me or when have I ever responded for them.
Thank you so much No sense for just varifing who you are.
The arrows all point back to you artie and the fact that you take the time to write twice about the same thing tells me you are just wasting those hard spent earning that you keep trying to pull from these members and Pastors who work hard and sacrifice much just to give what they give.
Now go back to your GB operatives and that tell that yes you really are as dumb as you look.
gunter:
All we have to say is that
"a precedent" has been set in such
a short time at the "joining of
the Eagles at the Alianza Apostolica.
It has been been established
that "ANY" deacon can make a division
at any time he wants to "split"in La Alianza, that promises "the land of
milk and honey". ( no such thing) on this planet. Only in Christ Jesus can we find any hope and trust!
And because and "ONLY" because
the deacon that made the division
after 'ONLY' BEING ORDAINED FOR
THREE MONTHS; at the church of La Alianaza in Dallas.
The deacon is related to Abel Torres.
So what can be expected to the
other Pastors that "are planning" and have left the AA to go with
"La Alianza".
Who will defend them.
But Abel Torres "got his wish", and Joel Montes will be the next
President of the AA. Because Joel Montes, HAS "RELIQUISHED" THE PROPERTY, OF THE CHURCH IN HOUSTON TO THE AA.
God have mercy on them.
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