Wednesday, December 16, 2009

***UPDATE*** RESOLUCION DE PLAN DE ACCION y MAYORDOMIA

***Below you will are the sample closing docs for the Montebello church property....
















Attached is the link to the Plan of Action and Stewardship sent to Apostolic Assembly pastors both in english and espanol.

For your review....
Click here for: RESOLUCION DE PLAN DE ACCION y MAYORDOMIA

Click here for: Montebello Closing Documents
As noted..."The bank charged for the cost of the loan. Then, the AA Inc,(A Non Profit 501c3 Religeous Organization) added its fees. The AA Inc. is neither registered with the Department of Real Estate nor the Department of Corporations, which allows for charging of fees in a loan".


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Anonymous said...

to Alamo City:

Texas Conference va hacer la misma gata.
Aun si los predicardores son los mismos de siempre como Omar Cortez, Anthony Romo, y quizas otro que hay estoy cansado de eschuchar y mismos muscios.

Pero el consejero y el que controla todavia todo es Frank Balboa durante Texas Conference. El si va estar presente. No me va a soprender si el predica tambien. Panchito tambien es el consejero de Jeff Aguilar. Panchito controla ABC/CT Houston, Jeff solomente esta ahi por compromiso. Misma gata!

Texas Conference is same cat! Same speakers. Frank Balboa is still in control with National Messengers of Peace. He controls ABC/CT Houston. Panchito is Jeff's advisor. Jeff is just supervising. Same Cat!

Anonymous said...

To X-Favor:

I was meaning at court in Houston behind closed doors! Not at church. Where at court Jeff Aguilar and Arturo Espinoza were present.

Anonymous said...

To X-Favor:
You don't think Pastor Jeff Aguilar shares private information. Think again.

X-Favor said...

Alamo City:

Estas muy en lo cierto. El puede hacer lo que se le de su gana esta en todo su derecho. El punto que estoy haciendo es la influencia que tuvo y tiene ese chamaco en Hno. Willie.
Tampoco me grites porque cuando alguien escribe en mayusculas significa eso.
Yo no empeze a hablar de este tema pero ya me canse de liriar con personas que no quieren entender que se necesita 2 y a veces 3 personas para tener un argumento o desevenencia.
Que Dios los bendiga a los dos es mi deseo.

idea said...

If Brother Mendoza would have listened to those families that were kicked out twelve years ago, those sisters would not have gotten harassed by brother Polanco. Just like David, Polanco thought that by getting rid of the people that could turn him in was enough to hide the sin. After these brothers left they kept their mouth shut even though people would tell them that Polanco was talking trash about them. They loved the congregation and did not want to do anything that would discourage them.
It took many years, but God finally did what needed to be done. I just want to say to all those pastors that have been mistreated by the AA to wait on the Lord. God is going to do what needs to be done.

Anonymous said...

To Alamo City y unhe2:

Muchos estiman al Obispo Guillermo Mendoza. Muchos quieren ser como el, pero solamente a un Guillermo Mendoza. Todos que fueron al colegio biblico de 1ra de Houston anos atras, quiern imitar a Guillermo Mendoza. Bro. Willie no tiene culpa, la culpa son los estudiantes que se reciberion o eran influenciados en el colegio biblico.

Muchos lo quieren imitar. Por ejemplo, Miguel Garcia, Prieto, Ortiz, JJ Mata, Nick Leon, Marroqien, Trevino, Faustino, Esau de Leon, Ricky Garcia, Rito y muchos mas. Hasta Guillen lo quiere imitar pero no puede. Solo a un Guillermo Mendoza.

Punto!

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Anonymous said...

A lo que me refiero es debemos de aprender cosas buenas de nuestros maestros; Pablo dijo: Ser imiatadores de "mi' como "yo" de Cristo.

Siempre es bueno de ser influienciados por alguien solo para algo bueno para la obra de Dios.
Solo para o pro la obra de Dios.
Que sea para la Honra y Gloria a Cristo.

Anonymous said...

Aqui los hermanos de CT Houston, pero para mi es todavia ABC. Sin embargo, muchos solamente estan en ABC porque no creen que Jeff va durar mucho tiempo. Jeff tiene otra ondas y acustumbres de Califas.

La musica que quiere Jeff no queda con el estilo de ABC. Jeff quiere traer un director de musica de Califas, pero como, sin muy apenas podemos para el mortgage.

A como se oye, Guillen y Debbie nunca se ponen de acuerdo. Siempre peliando. El estilo de Guillen no es el estilo de Jeff y Debbie. Y el estilo de Debbie no es al estilo de Guillen. El estilo de Jeff no es estillo ni de Texas.

Lo bueno de Guillen es puro Tejano y cumbia nada mas. El estilo de Debbie ni se que es porque siempre el coro no estan en tono.

Creo que mi Pastor Jeff pasa muchas
verguiensas y penas.

truth said...

RE: polanco the liar!
i cant believe people took so long to come out with the truth.He is a liar that cannot face his problems. thats why he couldnt face the board, that why he didnt want his members to talk to anybody. Reminds me of Davis Caresh in Waco, texas. If you are telling the truth you have absolutely nothing to hide and you would proudly face whatever you have to face!(if u were a real man of God) God has given us the spririt of fear! I agree with SCOTTIE it is not the first time i have heard about Polanco sexually harrassing someone. If it walk like a duck IT IS A DUCK! How can you preach obidience and not obey! How can you preach Authority and not abide! How can you preach hollines and have lust in your Heart! Feel bad for his wife. Attention Parents!!!!! Keep your daughters away!!! Once you lie so much you believe your own lies! And in that case keep your sons away too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Ojala que Jeff Aguilar no le quiten
el pastorado porque predico Bro. Willie en Tabernaculo Cristiano. Me informaron que a un joven llamado Manuel Mendez Jr. le dieron de baja de la AA porque fue con Bro.Willie apredicar a los Jr's. Alguien de H-Town puede verificar si es cierto o no.

Truth Be Told said...

Alamo City, que chismoso eres! ¿la informacion que pides . . . te va salvar?

Bosque a Dios.

lastlaugh said...

mendozaisabully your so stupid look what you did!!! try to make mendoza look like the bad guy and all you did was open a can of worms!!! what a friend, family member,or church memeber you are...
your so stupid.hahahahahahaha who looks like the bad one now!!! all of polanco's skeletons are out now!!! he will pay for the division he has brought to atc!!! his neices are mendoza's daughterinlwas and 2 of his sisterinlaws and 2 brotherinlaw and tim his soninlaw(ATTEND ENGLISH ATC) will all have to suffer because of his selfishness and pride....hhahahhahah thanks mendozaisbully!!!! watch who you try to make look bad!!!

Anonymous said...

Escuchame truth be told...sino te gusta el chisme...que hace aqui en blog; parece que no eres lo suficiente maduro para estar en lectura del blog. Ocupate en la lectura de la palabra de Dios...porque si sigues aqui vas a perder tu salvacion!!

Y como le dijo Jesus a Pedro y a ti
que.. Pablo le dice a timoteo ten cuidado de ti mismo!!!!

Truth Be Told said...

This issue that occured 3.5 years ago has all of you bounded and chained up! It is time to let go, let go of their actions, let go of this issue, let go of the AA and move on. God has better things instore for you all, but you all are chained up and unable to see it.

Anonymous said...

Mi pregunta es simple...porque?
por la doble norma de la AA.
Es un "joven" igual que Bro.Jeff.
Tenemos que cuidar a los ministros jovenes; son nuestro futuro...es que si alli.

idea said...

Polanco thought that he could get away with it because he had already gotten away with adultery in the past. I am not talking about harassment, but actual adultery with one of the sisters. Mendoza knew about this and did nothing. This kind of behavior went on since he started that church. I don’t know, but if the sisters that were harassed want to sue I believe they can.

Anonymous said...

No sabes que esto paso el año pasado!! lo de Manuel Mendez Jr. No estoy escribiendo lo que paso en el 2006 mi hermano en Cristo.
Se lo que escribo y pregunto.

Anonymous said...

Alamo City:

Sobre Manuel Mendez Jr.,
Solamente se el Obispo Juan Moreno, Jr. le llamo la atencion por ayudar a los Jr's de WFC.
Lo que le hiceron a Mendez Jr. fue muy mal.
El Obispo del Distrito Este de Texas Juan Moreno, Jr. esta siego cuando viene a cosas del distrito.
El tesorero Zendejas de Bloomington, ni se sabe si es del distrito.
El secretario Juan Mata, ni el sabe lo que pasa en su propia iglesia.

Julio Colin piensa que lo sabe todo.

Alveo, ni comienzes con Alveo. Alveo tambien es otro que piensa y predica como los trinos.
Alveo solamente uso a Joel Montes para ganar gente.
Elias Montes tambien. Entre todos ellos se hacen mensos.

Y mi pastor Jeff esta muy molesto con la condiciones del distrito.

Punto!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Pitos y pelo...

That was much too funny.

You had me rolling in my seats just now!

LOL!

Anonymous said...

Creo que haci esta por toda la AA;
nadie sabe nada....nobody cares!!

Todo lo que les interesa es el pago
mensual que reciben!!!

Que lastima que Juan Moreno,Juan Jose Mata y Julio Colin su mentor fue Bro. Wiliie Mendoza y ellos le dieron la esplada...aca en San Anto fue el reporte..

El Hno. Zendejas pues no se mucho de el...pero cuando San Anto se separo del dist. centex; Montes le dijo a zendejas que para ser pastor de la AA tenia que poner la propiedad al nombre de AA Inc,

El Hno. Roberto Alveo pues le saco gente a Montes.

El Hno. Elias Montes all I know he's a good kid on the block!!!

Cuando eres de la AA te das cuenta de todo...y eso porque soy un simlpe miembro.Todos aqui en este blog saben mucho de la AA.

Unknown said...

To Pitos y Hair

Man! You do know the facts. So far all your comments are based on just the facts. We need more pitos and hair in AA.

I've had too much hair. Tommorrow I'm giving my news conference on ESPN at noon.

Tell Jeff I said hi and hopefully Jeff and I can meet up for golf soon.

Anonymous said...

Sorry cuando San Anto se separo de H-town,se formo el dis.ET y Centex.
No recuerdo como se llamaba el dist. en es entonces. Bro. Salvador
Villegas fue Obispo de Centex y Joel Montes de ET.

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Unknown said...

To unhe2, pitos y hair, alamo city:

Everthing you guys have said is true. All this mess of corruption started with Joel Montes in 2006 at elections and has filtered throughout the AA.

These are the consequences today.

And regarding the Mendoza case in Houston, according to the facts of case, Frank Balboa initiated the whole circus but was working behind the scenes of the circus.

Balboa se hace el menso!

Joel Montes y Frank Balboa son muy politicos!

X-Favor said...

To Tiger Woods:

El hermano Montes no se pudo haber nominado solo
Alguien lo tuvo que haber hecho para que votaran por el o por los demas. Otra vez digo a quien le dan pan que llore!
En cuanto al circo de FB/WM....no hay necesidad de usar sobrenombres ofensivos a nadie. Se estaban ofendiendo antes porque le dijieron simplemente "Willie" y no hermano Willie asi que hay que respetar. Acuerdense que el respeta al derecho ajeno es la paz.
I still say it takes two to tango! We had already establised in this blog to talk about something more current and important then this 3 or 4 year old dilema. Let it go!
My friend there's politics everywhere! Church is no exception.

frank said...

ALGUIEN SAVE SI YA BAN A CAMBIAR EL METODO DE TENER ENTRETENIDOS A LOS HERMANOS Y HERMANAS CON LA ESTRATEGIA DE JESUS O EL G12?
COMO ESTA ESTO QUE BIENE DE LOS CINCO PILARES?
ESCUCHE QUE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA VA HACER IGUAL QUE LA ALIANZA APOSTOLICA, DE LOS PASTORES TENER UN NUMERO 501C O SER AUTONOMOS DIGAMOS INDEPENDIENTES POR TANTA DEMANDAS A LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA QUE YA NO HAY DE DONDE PAGAR TANTOS MILES DE DOLLARES POR DEMANDAS. Y LOS TEMPLOS TENER PUERTAS CO CODIGO DIGITAL SOLO PARA LOS MIEMBROS Y CUERPO MINISTERIAL; TAMBIEN ALA ENTRADA DEL TEMPLO UNA CAJA PARA DIEZMOS Y OFRENDAS PARA QUE YA NO SE PIDAN DIEZMOS Y OFRENDAS DURANTE EL SERVICIO . PERO TAMVIEN PARA QUE ESTO SE NESECITA EL MIEMBRO FIRMAR UN DOCUMENTO DE COMPROMISO QUE DIZMARA Y OFRENDARA DE LO CONTRARIO NO ES MIEMBRO . Y LOS PASTORES NO EMBIARAN MAS DIEZMOS DE DIEZMOS A LA SEDE DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA ES ESTO LO QUE BIENE?

what is going to happen next said...

I met Frank Balboa once at a convention and he seemed like a very nice guy and a good christian. I would have never imagine he could be capable of causing scandal in the church. God have mercy on him if he was working for the GB just to get on their good side.

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Unknown said...

To Alamo City, Pitos y Hair and To all bloggers:

What news you give me from South Texas Rio Grande Valley?

I hear David Tovar is doing very well. I bet many pastors in AA wish they could be like Tovar; To be independent, inc., and do as many encounters as he pleases and not pay tithing to AA.

My friend from Tovar church in Alamo, TX told me Alfredo Herrera's church in Edinburg is most prosperous church in Texas. Good for Herrera for not having property under AA, however Herrera is district treasurer and sends tithing to AA WITHOUT a credential from AA. How weird is that: to be on district board and not having a credential from AA and still pay tithing to AA.

Pray for me, I have a long day tomorrow.
ESPN 12noon est.

The_End_is_Near said...

Best of luck on your press conference tomorrow Tiger.

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Anonymous said...

Tiger Woods:

Regarding South Texas situation, I also mentioned something similar.
I should know some info soon.

Los Pastores del Valle son muy chismosos. Especialmente el Pastor .............no mejor no voy a discubrir a nadie todavia.

I'll be praying for you tomorrow Tiger, as well for your news conference.
Good luck and We need you back.

Anonymous said...

Porque David Tovar dejo el pastorado de AA; algo paso en el pais de Italia...bueno fue lo que se escucho... verdad?

Joel Montes nunca se nomino solo;quien dijo esa estupides...
ningun candidato se nomina solo,ni en la iglesia local.

Tocante al que se ofendio por lo de Bro. Willie...Bro. Willie over 80 y se le debe respetar..y ya esta todo en orden y perdonado.

X-Favor ya no le eches leña al fuego, despues no te gustan las repuesta de pitos y hair, y de los demas blogger's. Olvidate de lo Frank Balboa y Joel Montes. Los de H-Town saben y conocen la verdad. Tu y yo no somos de dist. ET; por esa razon hago preguntas y conosco un poco porque esto no hizo en ricon ni en un callejon.

Anonymous said...

X-Favor; vete a 2006 Election Irregularity Related Documents..y busca "Acandidate's File" fecha 8.14.07 y Montes Matters fecha 12.30.09 and get you facts together. Eres una persona sabia..

X-Favor said...

To: Alamo City

Gracias por la informacion.
Estoy de acuerdo que hay que respetar al anciano. Pero como adultos y cristianos que somos nos debemos respetar por igual jovenes y viejos. No me parecio que le llamen a alguien menso. Ya sea quien sea. Podemos dialogar sin ofender es mi punto. Yo creo que estas de acuerdo.
Lo de FB/WB ....como tu dices ya esta todo en orden y perdonado.
Cada quien defiende a la persona que estima y de acuerdo a lo que le conste.
Lo de Pitos y Pelos no me quita el sueno. Pobre Hno. Jeff!
Tu me pareces una persona culta para hablar tambien.
.

Anonymous said...

No News from M.O.P. guien es el Orador Especial en H-Town Feb.26-27
Next Week End!!! Guest Speaker!!

Pitos y Hair do you know!! Sera...
Juan Moreno..Julio Colin..Juan Mata
Musicos: Guillen y Debbie!! Who?

X-Favor said...

To Alamo City:

Revise la informacion que me diste y solo tengo una palabra: WOW!! Que si me entere de muchas cosas y si esta alli en blanco y negro.
Tambien quize ver los demas documentos legales de BF/WM y si los leen van a darse cuenta porque defiendo la causa de FB
Lee Letter to remove Guillermo Mendoza Facts primer paragraph. Alli menciona las razones en que se basaron.
Agradezco tu direccion hacia estos documentos legales que me han alumbrado el entendimiento. Y si te doy la razon parcialmente.

so cal district man said...

i'll join the texas bandwagon here since we have no other topic right now...

i understand that pastor guillermo mendoza did a fantastic job mentoring a lot of men since his c.b.a.n. days at hayward and san jose. when he moved to houston, he continued mentoring men to ministry.

i find it interesting that the last three pastors in austin have been trained by him (salvador villegas, saul avila and frank balboa). too bad that the a.a. got rid of him, villegas and avila. i wonder if it will be a matter of time that they also do that to balboa as well?

just wondering here in cloudy southern ca...

X-Favor said...

so cal district man:

Yes he did. He WM is a tremendous teacher.

You might be on to something here.
I guess as long as FB follows the constitution and doesn't put property under his name he might be ok. Who knows!

Anonymous said...

To: so cal; son 4 en Austin Texas Faustino Garza; todods ellos recibieron su educacion con Bro. Willie Mendoza. 2 de ellos estan con AA Frank Balboa y Faustino Garza. Salvador Villegas y Saul Avila; they Fellowship w/AWA.

Anonymous said...

Que!!! constitucion?? Quien sigue la constitucion??? Dime tu!

Solamente la sigueron en la corte; fuera de alli nadie....Amigo!!

so cal district man said...

x-favor... yes fb can be safe if he follows orders from the a.a. by the way how is he doing there?

alamo city... lol...i did not know of the last one garza. then it does gives more honor to guillermo mendoza that he was such an instrument to prepare men to fulfill assignments

X-Favor said...

so cal .....I believe there are more than two in the AA. Without a doubt a lot of men went to the Bible College under Bro. Mendoza.
From what I saw the last time I visited Austin, FB was doing great.
The building looked really, really nice. The brethren seemed pleased. Definetly a lot more people than when he started!
Have not been there in a while though.

Anonymous said...

A So.Cal y X-Favor; East Texas Dist. tiene 7 pastores que Bro.Willie forma bajo su ministerio
Me puese apensar y a mediatr en los estudiantes del seminario de Texas.Este seminario lo empezo Obsipo:Luis Guerra; el trajo a Bro. Willie de San Jose,Ca.

X-Favor said...

Who are the other five and where are they now?

Anonymous said...

To Alamo City:
De Texas Conference no lo se;
Maybe Jeff will announce on Sunday to confirm guest speakers for next weekend

Unknown said...

Alamo City:
It seems you are from Houston and not San Antonio,
You seem to know alot of Houston info.

Anonymous said...

Born&raise in S.A. Santa Rosa Hopital. Manuel Alcantar mi primer pastor.

what is going to happen next said...

Breaking News!!

My bishop just got back from meeting with the GB. News is that Valverde and Pacheco HAVE DECLARED they will not run for any board member position in the AA in September because too much damage
has been done to them and the AA!

Now folks who do you think caused the damage???

Multiple Choice:

a)Members___
b)Pastors___
c)Bishops___
d)Gb _x__

"NO BRAINER"

Now Sanchez wants to look like the GOOD GUY in the eyes of ALL the bishops, pastors and promises to clean up all the mess HE HIMSELF MADE BY ALLOWING THESE CORRUPTED GB MEMBERS LIKE VALVERDE, PACHECO TO MAKE A MESS OF THINGS IN THE AA!!
W H A T A B I G J O K E! !

DOES HE CONSIDER US TO BE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!!! SAD TO SAY THERE ARE A FEW! JUST LIKE THE WIFE WHO GET'S BEATEN BY HER HUSBAND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EVENTUALLY GOES BACK TO HIM. THERE ARE PASTORS THAT WILL DO THE SAME. NO DIGNITY WHATSOEVER!

And if you don't believe me try to take it out of your bishop and see if he tells you the truth!!! At least mine is honest!!

Unknown said...

Every Pastor is at fault!

Unknown said...

Every Pastor should have united with Abel Torres, Baldemar Rodriguez, Saul Avila, Daniel Solomon from the very beginning in 2006.

But many pastors were afraid to stand up and speak up because they were scared to lose their properties. However, Torres, Rodriguez, Avila, and Solomon took the burden, hits, pain, and lost property and all funds from their local church. They spoke for all pastors in AA. They loved the AA so much, all they were fighting for was a recount of votes by all pastors.

All other pastors should be ashamed of yourselves! This is your fault!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Too much damage was caused to them, and the AA??

Did i read that correctly, or was it a typo?

They are calling themselves the victims?

Aren't they about to boot nearly 50% of the pastorship?!

Anonymous said...

Answer is:
e. Joel Montes

Valverde no puede vivir sin Montes ni Montes de Valverde.

I told you so.

what is going to happen next said...

I just have a feeling and I don't think I am far from the truth that Valverde will start his own kingdom out of the AA with Pacheco and Montes included in it as well. They have a list of over 250 pastors that will be getting the pinkslip with Montes name on it too! Please don't tell me Valverde isn't dying to be the BOSS! I just wonder how many pastors and congregations will be following him. I just think they (Valverde, Pacheco and Montes) have met behind close doors to discuss Plan B in case it was needed. Now the moment has come! REMEMBER HE IS A VALVERDE! I don't think he'll be leaving his church bldg. behind either.
We'll just have to wait and see!!

Anonymous said...

Como decia Don Mereidth el qb de los cowboys,the party is over! on monday nite football.

Anonymous said...

No mas Valverde,Pacheco y Montes..
Tambien Fortino,Tafoya,Hoyer,Adam Lopez y Ismael Veloz.

Dicen que mañana Joel Montes tiene reunion con la igleisa. Van a Votar! si se quedan o se van.

Para mi que se salgan; como quiera son independientes...

Anonymous said...

Alamo City: si hay 7 pastores aqui en Houston que Bro. Willie formo.
Juan Moreno Jr., Juan Jose Mata, Feliberto Prieto, Jesse Hernandez, Manuel Mendez Sr. Miquel Garcia Sr.
y Julio Colin..

what is going to happen next said...

Trucha: No importa si votan o no Ya esta en la lista negra donde lo echaran fuera!

It doesn't matter if they vote or not he's already on the black list to be thrown out of the AA.

Sanchez no tiene misericordia de nadie NI Joel Montes!

Sanchez doesn't have mercy on no one NOT even Joel Montes!

Anonymous said...

Es cierto que no importa lo que diga la congregacion o Montes!!!
Esta en la lista negra???

Pues de que Bro. Quiroz era el pastor siempre a sido una iglesia independientes.

Anonymous said...

Bro. Quiroz fue alumno de James Kilgore; UPC Texas Bible College.
Fue consejero de Bro. Quiroz por muchos años y creo que hasta hoy mismo.

Creen ustedes que ahora que Montes va estar fuera de AA van convivir con Alfredo Torres. Interesante!!!

Anonymous said...

Very interesting point!
Joel M. Montes y Alfred Torres
las cosas cambian atraves de los años.

Anonymous said...

Oh my God!!! Bro. Quiroz very time he's here in Houston he fellowships
w/Alfred Torres.Quiroz is AF mentor.He grew up under Quiroz ministry.

Unknown said...

I think everyone should come clean.
I came clean yesterday and admitted many things.

Why can't the GB in California, Valverde, Montes and everyone from Austin, the Valley, Dallas, San Antonio Houston come clean?

Anonymous said...

You forgot Arizona and Florida..
What happen in the Valley?

Anonymous said...

Pues que paso en San Antonio y Austin...Houston ya sabemos!!

so cal district man said...

at what is going to happen next...

wow interesting take! i doubt that valverde and pacheco will not run for office...that has been there goal all their adult life, get to be powerful.

I'll ask my bishop here in southern ca but i doubt that he will even respond to my question because he is really connected by blood to the gb.

in your multiple choice you left out an important link in the chain... elders. with the exception of the members, they are all at fault.

any info of there "plan de accion" if they will begin to remove pastors after all?

Anonymous said...

Haber que dicen los Obispos sobre el plan de accion. Nuestro Obispo Arispe de Del Rio Texas.

what is going to happen next said...

The list which consist of more than 250 pastors is "plan de accion." One bishop tried to talk him out of dismissing those pastors but it didn't work. We won't know until those pastors are taken out. Let me tell you it will be soon! Regarding Valverde or Pacheco running "it ain't gonna happen" not if Sanchez can help it! He made that clear in the meeting that there will be a new board in September.

what is going to happen next said...

Correction:
"One bishop tried to talk him (Sanchez) out of dismissing......

Anonymous said...

Vamos haber que tiene Obispo Moreno que decir de Montes. Ira estar en la reunion Mañana? Cuantos
pastores de ET no cumplieron con el
plan de accion.

SLJ said...

They don't have to run for a position on the board.
They are just going to appoint each other.
Look what happen in 2006. They appointed Eddie with 2 votes and got away with it.
Greener dreams about becoming the President, and Eddie will be there too, being his little munckin.

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CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Be very aware of the posters/bloggers who have recently joined our ranks....

Some of them just registered very very recently (as recent as jan, feb, march)...


I almost have the hunch some of thse recently arrived posters are pastors in the East Texas District... Perhaps even as leaders on the district or sector level...


We all know of one pastor who spends hours on the internet every day, and a few spare minutes evangelizing on the streets or in homes every year...

he's also been pastoring the same 2 families, and not many more, for the past 5-6 years...

his "friends" list grows every day, his church roll has been stagnant to 10 people, for years...

get off of facebook... and start pastoring!!

his post just seem a bit suspicious, while I don't take sides, I think they;re all dirty mobsters, it seems this guy is just much to happy and eager to throw pastor montes under the bus at this time...

apocalypse said...

President Sanchez allowed Montes to run in the elections 5 times, but now he is kicking him out. He calls kicking Montes out an act of integrity. I wonder what he calls allowing him to run 5 times in the elections? Mi opinion is that the rest of the GB should incourage him to see a psychiatrist.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Chairman, Montes threw himself under the bus!!!

Montes is well like by his fellow minister and pastors.Just ask!

Anonymous said...

Cuando vengas a la conferencia Juvenil habla con los pastores; ya conoces a uno. Me parece que eres Joelista!!!

apocalypse said...

If President Sanchez is kicking Montes out because he will not change the church property to the name of the AA, doesn't that now prove that Sanchez violated the constitution when he let him qualify for nomination of 5 positions in the November 2006 elections. The President should also be required to relinquish his position as President.

what is going to happen next said...

apocalypse: Good point! He did violate the constitution.
This man (Sanchez) the president of the AA has some SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS!!!Regarding the new board in September. Who do you think will be running the elections???? Can we trust this man's judgement!! If you have any doubts that he will do the right thing just go back to 2006.

what is going to happen next said...

I have to disagree with my fellow blogger who said "Joel Montes was thrown under the bus." Neither Ben Quiroz, Joel Montes, Linda Montes or any of us know what it feels to to be thrown under the bus! The only thing they know is a litle slap on the hand.

what is going to happen next said...

Let's say that according to you Joel is being thrown under the bus. If it brings you any comfort to know the deed of the church will be in his pocket. So my fellow blogger rejoice at least he won't have to go through what Baldemar Rodriguez,Abel Torres, Daniel Solomon or Saul Avila went through. He had it EASY!!!
So naaahh!!!!! He doesn't know what it feels to be thrown under the bus!

The_End_is_Near said...

Sanchez won't resign. He has it too good.
He won't go til the AA is in ruin, just like Hilter in all his power hunger madness.
The only thing for Sanchez to do to save face is harakiri.

Unknown said...

I have to believe "what is going to happen next" that Baldemar, Avila, Solomon and Torres did feel to be thrown under the bus.

Joel Montes has it made. he always had. What can Montes lose? Montes doesn't lose anything.

Anonymous said...

Que son las nuevas de NLC Inc. Cual fue la decision? In or Out!!

Anonymous said...

NO SE OYE NADA!!! En Houston.

what is going to happen next said...

La Nina: Thank you! That's exactly my point!

trophyman said...

Montes thrown under the bus! No way! He is sitting on the hood of the bus laughing at the whole AA! Just like his daddy in law did!Quiroz that man spent most of his time at Compac center watching the Rockets with his only straight son, cause the other two were as queer as they come! Thank god for HIV! Cause that took care of one of em! Quiroz and Montes have done nothing but laughed at the AA all along! Sanchez es un estupido!

Anonymous said...

Trophyman; demaciado NASTY!!
Esta bien que se burlaron de AA, pero ir a este extremo...ay peligro!!

Anonymous said...

Fuiste al compac center con ellos a ver los rockets!!! Bro.Quiroz like u very much trophyman..y le das gracias a Dios por hiv..como dice alamo city hay peligro!!!

trophyman said...

Alamo,

It was pretty nasty to hangout at the Rocket's games all week and then preach holiness on Sunday! Bola de hipocritas!

Anonymous said...

Y quien no es...hipo..cri..ta!!

Anonymous said...

TODOS.....LO SOMOS!!!! JOINT THE CLUB!!!

trophyman said...

Si Truchita!

Pero en la AA da asco proque es demasiado obvio!

what is going to happen next said...

Trophyman: I know a lot of things they did were wrong especially the injustices they committed then and now in NLC but please refrain from attacking the family.The children have no fault in this. Unfortunately, the decisions they make and have made will affect the children.
Thanks!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

trophy.. your an idiot... to thank god for HIV...

it shows just how morid members of the AA are...

regardless of who died from it... to tank god for the death of anyone is s sick thing to do..

that said... to the recent arriver trucha...

had you been a member of this blog for the past 2 years or so, and had read my posts... you would know very clearly that I am anything BUT a "joelista"..

i called them out on their tungunska blast pyramid, their transfer of property deeds, and their mismanagment of the monies taken from the congregation via their "proyecto catarata, oops i mean proyecto vision"


read my posts, and i stated, that now that he is in the crosshairs, it seems like the roaches the psators of the east tex district are, are only now trying to throw him under the bus... as in, only now are they speaking out, including a certain new blogger who I think is a pastor in the disctict....

again... had you been here... you'd know I am no longer in the AA, and left many moons ago...

as I sign out my post many times as...

"a refugee... far away from home..."


Trophy...

I still dont see how being at the compaq center watchin the rockets, keeps you from preaching about holiness? Are you as twisted as abel duarte who got booed in san antonio for saying only sinners would ever step foot in texas stadium to watch the cowboys? thinking he'd get a loud cheer, half the youth booed his arse, and deservedly so! Not because he was somewhat correct, only a fool roots for the cowboys (hahahaha), but becuase he thought it made you a sinner...

sorry... we never drank that kool-aide out here in texas...

go rockets, go astros, go texans, go dynamo! proud season ticket holder for many seasons!

Dacio Vega said...

Chairman Mao: Didn't you read the blogger that stated there was going to be a vote whether in or out at NLC? Guess what there was no vote today there didn't your family let you know?

Anonymous said...

Bendito sea Dios padre de nuestro Señor Jesucristo,que no hubo votacion..eso te dice que Bro. Montes puede hacer lo el quiere.El es Presidente y CEO de NLC INc.

Mr.Chairman Mao que quieres un Gold
Metal porque tienes 2 años aqui en blog..nosotros tenemos tanto derecho de escribir en este blog,seamos de Dist. East Texas o de Cali,Arizona, etc..que tengamo un poco de tiempo pues que bueno..
entramos aqui por lo de "plan de accion" por lo que esta pasando con Bro. Montes...asi como ustedes escribiron tanto de GB y la vida personal de cada miembro de GB.Y de los pastores de ET dist. no te molestes ellos respetan y admiran a
Bro. Montes...porque ellos quiseran estar en como el. Local Incorporated!!!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Dacio...

Speak to that blogger, not me.

I never stated as such....

as far as "my family"... i'm sure you're already have attempted to flush them out... but the people who spoke to me after that saturday "leadership anuall planning meeting" were not related...

and they were several.. I'd start in the english group, work my way to the youth, and end with varones...(sarcasm... speak tot he doracs persident too if you must)

I other words... everyone came out speaking and publicizing what they had discussed...

the poitn is, quit trying to see who it was who told me... but that's typical NLC anyways..

kill the messenger.. ignore the message (if its critical of the administration...)

trucha...

I never stated you had no right to post.. (again.. just as the recently arrived dacio) you fail to read what is written...

i said.. due to your lack of knowledge on my writtings, and probably lack of reading skills, you incorrectly thought I was on the side of the GB, or NLC's CEO, when I am not.

I have been a consistent critic and opponent to their mismanagement... I have never been critical of anyone's person, or family

Post away... but don't come in guns ablazing..

CM - a refugee far away from home...

X-Favor said...

To Trophyman:
You have crossed the line when you talk about their kids. The Lord hates the sin but loves the sinner. Maybe you have bigger sins in your life than those you are speaking about and yes there are worse things. You don't know for sure if people are acting out on their weaknesses or not. I suggest you keep your comments without bringing in people who did not have anything to do with elections etc.
The Montes boys do not deserve comments like that.
An your comment Thank God for HIV is the most ignorant comment I've heard yet! There are children dying because of this horrible disease! Guard your tongue and check tourself!

X-Favor said...

To all bloggers:

Let's focus on the matter at hand "Resolucion de Plan de Accion y Mayordomia" and not old business not related to that and especially not make ignorant comments (Trophyman) nor bring any pastors family regardless of who it might be that did not have direct action regarding the subject.
Actually I think Trophyman should retract his comment and apologize for such ignorant comment!!

Unknown said...

To la Truch!

Es verdad que muchos pastores quieren estar como Joel Montes: Inc, local. That is the way to go.

Just like "what going to happen next" and I said:
What does Montes lose being local inc? Nothing!
So what's the big deal?

La unica cosa negativa de Joel Montes es que por causa de el, comienzo todo este fraude en la elecciones en 2006. Se usted ve tambien los articles de propiedad contra de Ruben Martinez en Aldine. See article candiate de Joel Montes en documents not pertaining to elections link.

Unknown said...

I agree with comments from "what is going to happen next" and "la Nina" regarding Montes and his lnc.

Regarding Trophyman declaring Montes/Quiroz kids:
Please apologize. No need to involve the kids.
Thank God for HIV? God does not create sin. Man does. Please apologize!

X-Favor said...

La Nina & La Trucha :

The will lose not been able to fellowship or be involved with convention stuff.

Tiger Woods:

I totally agree in the he needs to apologize! (see my previous blog)

Chairman Mao:

What did your sources tell you exactly?

Anonymous said...

Trophyman te sales...you need to retract your comment.

Anonymous said...

Todos los pastores de la AA quisieran estar en los zapatos de Joel Montes; Locally Incorporated..
Lastima que nosotros no tenemos ese
privilegio....nuestro pastor, como
muchos puso la propiedad a AA Inc.

Anonymous said...

A como se ve aqui en el blog, AA va
tener mas exodo... para el mes de Abril no se diga.

Como ira estar la Conferencia Juvenil en Houston,Texas este fin de semana.

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

sorry...


I was traveling over the weekend...

just touched down at IAH early this morning..

So I havent had a chance to speak to my babe-cousin-brothers-mom's-cousing-twice removed uncle (haha, dacio is trying to flush my source out, when it was the entire leadership board that sang that satruday afternoon)...

If dacio (or their close significant other) spent more time trying to correctly manage and adminster the church and its funds, as opposed to playing golf, or flush out sources... NLC would probably be much better off..

seriously... those leadership boards came out singing that day... its liek trying to get the water out of the titanic after it hit the igloo.. with a 5 gallon bucket... (lol)

perhaps they came out singing, because they are not in agreement, but too timid to oppose, who knows.

Anonymous said...

Alamo City: Nosotros igual!!!
Como dice mi pastor nunca se penso que un dia alguien iba tomar tanto control de autoridad o abuso de autoridad. Los pasados presidentes
no pensaban asi...amaban mucho la iglesia o la obra del Señor.

X-Favor said...

Does anyone know who else in the AA is also incorporated and has their property in their name?

idea said...

I heard that Brother Castro from Sacramento Ca. does not have anything under thee AA name. Being that I don't know Brother Castro I am not sure if my source was correct. Maybe someone else can confirm this.

Unknown said...

To X-Favor:

You said Joel Montes/NLC will lose their involvement to conventions and fellowship. No they won't. Many people who are x-AA still attend all conventions to see old friends and fellowship. Wasn't Abel Torres at a AA Connference in California two years ago. Nobody can stop Joel Montes and his congregation to fellowship with AA. They fellowship with the UPC. So what's the big deal?

Unknown said...

Time for the AA to break up, just as did the USSR.

Us Blogistas and Team Skotty will be the Heros of the Revolution!!

Anonymous said...

"La Nina" is right. Who can stop Joel Montes and NLC from fellowship with other organizations. Nobody!

Anonymous said...

Es cierto Montes y su congregacion
pueden convivir con AA; solamente que los que conviven son de 30 a 40
hermanos; otros 300-350 sabra Dios.

Anonymous said...

Montes y su congregacion!!! recuerdo cuando era Sec. del Dist. y las actividades aqui en San Antonio y Austin, solo venia el (Joel) y aveces unos 5 a 10 hermanos. Nunca NLC a respladado las actividades ni cuando se hacian
en NLC. So what fellowship!!!
Ni cuando Bro. Quiroz was pastor!!

The_End_is_Near said...

Ay leave my Baby alone and drink some tunguska blast and chil out

Anonymous said...

Y cuando era Obispo de ET Dist. He would cancel or change Dist. activities...to have his local activities!!! Bro. Quiroz would do the same...

When Bro. Willie was Bishop we had the best Dist. services..1983-1987

Anonymous said...

Trucha y Alamo City:

Tambien tienes razon. Los otros 300-350 ni les importa convivir con la AA. Siempre hay 50% o menos de cada congregacion que apoya las acitividades Dist. Sec. o Nacionales. Para NLC va ser un processo muy facil de no tener voz en la AA.

Es mas, NLC siempre mandan un respresenatate de cada dept. a los cultos y seminarios. Nunca vez la mayoria de NLC en un culto dist juvenil, varonil ni de dorcas. Ni Linda va a las actividades del distrito. Nunca! A menos que de una conferencia.

Ni a Joel Montes le interesa convivir con el distrito.
So para NLC no es gran cosa de no estar en AA.
Les Vale!

Anonymous said...

Con Obispo Juan Moreno Jr. es un desastre no hay orden...
especialmente en las actividades Juveniles...Estamos peor!!! y cancelan actividades left & right.
"NOT A GOOD LEADER"

Anonymous said...

Pitos y Hair es verdad..Linda Montes solo va cuando ella.........
Porque? Nadie le puede decir nada
Locally Incorporated...

Unknown said...

NLC does not need the AA to survive. Nobody needs the AA to survive. It's your local church and that's it!

NLC no necestia la AA para sobrevivir. Nadie necesita la AA para sobrevivir. La prioridad es su iglesia local, nadie mas!

Unknown said...

Creo que me debo de juntar con
"la trucha" y "la nina" para un cafe.

Especialmente con "pitos y hair."

X-Favor said...

To La Nina:
I didn't think they could do that once they did not form part of the AA.
I guess one thing is not to want to go and another not to be able to go to these activities.

Chairman Mao:
You seem to know a lot about NLC. Has a decision being made?

La llorona:
Si vas con Pitos y Pelos van a llorar mas!

gunter said...

What in the world makes people think sanchez hitler is going run a fair election.

The only way he can run a fair election is if there are real cops not assembly cops watching over the whole process.

People are just saying what they are saying to manipulate others into try to make other believe that after all the corupption.

That not they are honest people please. I have seen more honest people in a drug rehab session.

sola dei gloria said...

La Nina

Let me ask you a question.

If you don't need the AA to survive, does that mean you fellowship with other denominations.

The AA kept so many under a "closed system" that if you stepped outside of that "system", you were considered unequally yoked

Unknown said...

To solo dei gloria:

First of all, NLC offically never pertained to AA.

NLC has always been unequally yoked! They fellowship with UPC and other organizations.

NLC never cared to support any district events within Houston. but when NLC had special events, they expected all churches of East Texas to support them. Especially when Montes was bishop.


I do fellowship with other denominations, cause I have family and friends there.
And you, you never gone to any seminar, workshop, concert, or service of any other denomination? Do have any friends that belong to other organizations?

sola dei gloria said...

La Nina

That's great.

I was just trying to understand where you are doctrinally.

X-Favor said...

La Nina:
The Bible speaks of not being unequally yoked with unbelievers. I hardly think UPC are unbelievers!

Secondly how can NLC = Montes never officially pertained to AA but officially be an AA Bishop?
It does not make sense.

Anonymous said...

Joel Montes became bishop cause of the double standard....you should know!!!!

Anonymous said...

Even pastor's at the local level have double standard...we all know this....even at home!!!!

what is going to happen next said...

La Nina: I remember that incident when Abel Torres showed up at that pastoral and ministerial conference. You should have seen the look on some of those people's faces especially the pharisees as he walked in with his head up high into the confernce room. I couldn't help but to praise this man for having the "GUTS" to show up AND without bodyguards. He faced the music alone! As he walked in Pacheco was preaching and everyone in the audience saw how nervous he got when he mumbled over his words when he saw Torres walk in the room. I guess he thought Abel Torres was going to pull out a WATER GUN and shoot at him. I know Sanchez was furious when Abel Torres approached him to greet him because he had crashed their party. When Torres greeted him all Sanchez did was give him the cold shoulder. Never in my life had I seen a man as courageous as Abel Torres. He brought a message to the GB that was LOUD and CLEAR which said " I'M NOT AFARID OF YOU!"

Anonymous said...

Es que los TEJANOS or TEXANS no tiene miedo!!!se frentan como los meros hombres....cowboys

Aprendio bien de su padre Hno.Valentin Torres Sr.!!!!! Hombres de Valor!!!!

Bueno no todos los tejanos...

Anonymous said...

Porque es el unico que pone su firma en las cartas que el escribe a GB....nunca escribe atonomo.

Anonymous said...

A la Llorona; que bueno que me invitas a tomar "CAFE" y no comer
trucha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No nonsense said...

If only you really knew!
But you only look at what you see.

You make excuses and make statements that are sooooooooooo far from the truth.

Sure they may be "true", but you never never ever "read" into the "WHY"?!!!

All of you could write and make comments +for ever+ but "cause and effect", you are too 'UN LEARNED' to 'GRASP'

May God have mercy and give you the 'TRUE DISCERNMENT'

. said...

Idea: I have heard the samething!
That church changes names like calsones.
But I did hear from someone from my cousin that is friends with the "inner circle" there that they are independant from any org. I heard they are Sacramento Apostolic Church.Inc
Their web is "Losapostolicosdesacramento"

Pide Sabiduria: Ya Basta: said...

To No Nonsence:

How true!!!

what is going to happen next said...

My fellow bloggers: Did someone understand what "No Nonsense" was trying to say? It made no sense!

The_End_is_Near said...

I think he said buy some Tunguska Blast and chill out.

what is going to happen next said...

Please don't take this wrong but I really would like to know what you meant. Everyone has a voice here!

Pide Sabiduria: Ya Basta: said...

Para Todos los que estan inbulucrados en estos "blogs".

Es mucha verdad lo que dice ...NO NONSENSE:

Ya pasaron 3 anos y medio, desde las elecciones que siempre habian sido "fraudes" desde el tiempo de Efrain Valverde, que introdujo la 'DESCLALIFICADORA'.

Pero es verdad que ya sabia Torres de mucho anos, y aun en Tejas de esos fraudes...

Pero cuando Torres que "nomas" era el "observador" y nunca el "nombrado" como su "amigito"
Joel Montes...alli se frego...Sanchez, Valverde y Pacheco!!!!

Torres no pudo tolerar....ya mas que a su amigitooo...(Ha) Joel Montes lo hicieran tan 'POPULAR",
en el "mundo" de La Asamblea.

Tambien Baldemar que habia 'PARTICIPADO" en ese "tipo" de elecciones...por annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooosssssss.!!! 23!!!!! o mas..

Ahora si??? Ahora si???

Que "Justicia" ni que Doctrina ni que verdad, ni que "santidad"..

No pudo tolerar Torres que a su amigito que tanto ammmmaaaa...si fuera corrido 5 nombramientos!!!??????

Joel se caso con la Quiroz por la propiedad que hiba a heredar...Tafoya los introdujo...

Como Samuel Valverde se caso con Rauqel Contreras, por tambien el 'GUARDA ESPALDAS DE CONTERAS, QUE TENIA....

QUE NI TUBO QUE SER OBISPO PARA ENTAR A LA MESA DIRECCTIVA....

POR FAVOR....ALERTA!! DESPIERTEN...

POR EL AMOR DE DIOS!!

"Que Justicia, ni que Justicia, ni que por amor a la Doctrina..."

PURA CARNE!!!!!

what is going to happen next said...

MS Q: lol...

what is going to happen next said...

Pide Sabiduria, Ya Basta:
Amigo,
Bienvenido al blog.

idea said...

I looked it up with the secretary of state and found that the agent for service for Sacramento Apostolic Church Inc. is FREDERICK J NELSON. I was expecting to find a hispanic name. Not that I care, but is this the right one.

Anonymous said...

Pide Sabiduria; no para los espiritules...nomas para lacarne

Anonymous said...

Pide Sabiduria; te vas a enfermar..
esste blog es para los carnales..

. said...

Idea: how did you find it????

idea said...

Go to http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/
search by corporation name. Enter Sacramento Apostolic Church and that's it.

. said...

Idea: WOW! You hit a goldmine....
I wonder if you know what you have just exposed????
The name is correct, which comferms exactly what someone has been saying for years. Everything I heard is correct. Infact I know who FJN is. WOW!!!!!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

mmmm Wouldn't mind a wee bit of the tugnska blast if you dont mind me saying...

maybe jeff still has some stowd away around there..

he was pimping that stuff too back in the day... LOL

idea said...

Oness:
I don't know what I hitor what I exposed. I really don't know anything about that church.

Dacio Vega said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
The_End_is_Near said...

Chairman Mao: Don't make me post your name

No nonsense said...

Did anyone of you attend the "ONENESS CONVENTION OF
H I S P A N I T I C S,that most of them were with the AA years ago and recently?

This convention was held in Phoenix, Arizona last week.
Heard one of them was the infamous named "MARANATA", left by Sam's tio Efrain Valverde, God rest his soul?
SAM SHOULD "JOIN" THEM HE WOULD FIT "THEIR MOLD PERFECTLY" LIAR!

Heard there were about five thousand there! From all over the country and even abroad!

Not too good for the AWA who is already having problems
"WITHIN ITSELF" DIVISIONS!

The new installed AWA Org., that the Pastors do not have direct help from Baldemar, who is not feeling very well in health.

Apparently the *brother in-law^ of Abel Torres, after only three months of being ordained to the ministry, "CREATED A SPLIT" from the new recently "formed" church in San Antonio, Texas.

The "split" was to form another AWA congregation in San Antonio,"STEALING" "ROBBING" SHEEP from the San Antonio, AWA
congregation!

Imagine the AWA does not even have that many years of existence., and is already utilizing the "DIRTY TACTICS OF" SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, AND AGUILAR AND PACHECO AND MAFFEY AND PRADO!!!

NO wonder the Bible states.

"Senor ha quien iremos?"

SAME OLD.SAME OLD!

That is what happens when MAN thinks he can do things BETTER!!

WHAT A SHAME!

No nonsense said...

(Tradicion)de lo antes escrito:

Pregunto?

Algunos de ustedes asistieron a la convencion la semana pasada que occurio en Phoenix, Arizona, de grupos que antes fueron de la Asamblea en anos pasados y aun meses antes?

Se dice que uno de esos groupos fue, la "Infamosa organizacion" "MARANATA"

FORMADA Y DEGADO DE HERECIA, por el tio de SAMUELITO VALVERDE' Efrain Valverde!

Que lastima para la Asamblea Apostolica que SAMUELITO NO SE UNE con esos groupos.

Pues SAMUELITO DARIA MEDIDA AL "MOLDE" PERFECTAMENTA DE ELLOS!

Para la Alianza Apostolica Mundial recientemente organizada esto es un
"golpe fuerte".

Porque se oye decir que los Pastores que se han unido a LA ALIANSA" NO TIENEN NINGUN RESPLANDO, de Baldemar, que encabeza esta organizacion de LA ALIANCIA.

Pues se dice que en San Antonio, Texas, el cunado de Abel Torres, que hace tres meses fue iniciado al ministerio para la "ALIANCIA APOSTOLICA MUNDIAL"

El cunado de Abel Torres hizo una division al Pastor de la Aliancia Apostolica en San Antonio, Texas para formar "otra" congregacion de la Aliancia Apostolica en mismo San Antonio.

Pero como no tienen ayuda los Pastores que se han unido a La Aliancia Apostolica, se sienten solos.

Quien se va a ponder a defender al Pastor si el que le hizo la divison y se sigue llevando "ovejas" "robadas", es cunado de Abel Torres!

Por eso se puede ver que las mismas 'TACTICAS' DIABOLICAS DE"
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, MAFFEY, AGUILAR, PRADO y ISMAEL siguen en la ALIANCIA APOSTOLICA MUNDIAL.

Por eso dice la palabra de Dios:
"SENOR A QUIEN IREMOS?????"


El hombre cree que "lo va hacer mejor solo". Pero no es asi.

"Dios es el unico que todo lo puede".

"Maldito el hombre que confiare en el hombre y pone su brazo por escudo"!

Que Dios tenga misericordia!

Anonymous said...

The reason Baldemar Rodriguez of the AWA; does not help pastor's; everyone is Locally Incorporated..
the local church takes care of them. Tell me when did the AA help local pastor's!!!did they (AA) paid
mortgage pmts...utilities..NONE.

The AA give's a retired pastor $200a month and a pastor's widow $50 a
month...and the AA is been here over 100 yrs..compare to the AWA.

No nonsense said...

To Justice:

Well if I have the wrong city and State.

Then YOU TELL THE TRUTH!

Where does this brother in law of Torres live?

Because he 'SURE DID MAKE A SPLIT"

Just call anyone of the Apostolic World Alliance of the Pastors in Texas and they will tell you!

If you think Iam a liar.

Well I wish it was not true.

Because I love the AWA and its intentions. But if this continues to "allow" Novices, deacons to make division within the AWA it is not any good!!

If We want to hit Sanchez, Pacheco and the rest of the gang in the "head", like to a serpent., then we must not allow "NOVICES AND WANNA BE PASTORS., continue doing "ATROCIDADES" AND " do as they please!!

There must be respect and honor much more in the ministry of the Lord.
If that is the intentions of serving our True God ., and not making "little kingdoms for themselves.@

With greed and mistrust!


A Novice, a deacon, must respect the ministry of the Pastor that had "faith" in him by recommending him to be "ordained" and not to "stab the Pastor in the "back"
and ROB AND STEAL the flock., that does not belong to the Novice and deacon..


If a "Novice and deacon" want to be a Pastor, let him come out of go {plant a church) but not "steal and rob" the sheep of that Pastor that "trusted and had faith in him".

What a shame!!! AND YOU CALL YOURSELF "JUSTICE"?

PLEASE........HAVE JUSTICE ON THAT "STABBED ON THE BACK PASTOR"!

Anonymous said...

No Nonsense,si Sam Valverde no se hido con Maranata la organizacion del tio Efrain..pues es asunto del el que no...

Si eres casado y tienes hijos e hijas te cuidado..porque estan confiando en un hombre...si piensas
casarte tu mujer va confiar en un hombre...cuidado con la maldicion!!

No nonsense said...

Don't know:

Iam not saying that the AA does any better. In fact the AA does atrocidades!!!

Like taxation without representation a lo BRUTO!!!

But the AWA offers the "new" recruited AWA Pastors coming beaten and battered by the AA to "COME HOME, COME HOME, YE WHO ARE WEARY COME HOME"!!!!

But then the same old the same old.

Sure the AWA pastors do not pay any monetary alms to the AWA, but., my goodness have mercy on these New AWA pastors.

There has to be some "christian support" , if the Pastors doing the "recruting" ., like you; feel that there is "IN JUSTICE" in making a "SPLIT" BY ROBBING SHEEP, and calling it 'CHURCH GROWTH'.

So you see my dear Brother "DON'T KNOW" YOU SURE DON'T KNOW!!!

But Iam telling you that I DO KNOW!!!

AND THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF REPRESENTATION even if the churches are "self managed", self incorporated, self lead.

But then the """"AWA FOUNDERS""" COME AND ATTEND these meetings with the new AWA Pastors.

For What???? For preaching and for teaching?

Well then 'TEACH "THEM" "NOVICES, DEACONS" respect to the Pastors.

Don"t just come around over here to the Northern California district and present to us "Peace and Security"., and protection from the SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHEO ETCS., WOLVES...

And then what?

The same old the same old. If no Tax, no representation?

HOW SAD!!!

I don't like what I foresee!!!

what is going to happen next said...

No NoNsense: You were making sense until you got to Abel Torres brother-in-law creating a split in San Antonio, Tx. His brother in law never lived in San Antonio. The only brother-in-law I remember was the assistant to Abel Torres late father who pastor in Midland, Tx. His brother-in-law passed away 15 yrs. ago. I remember him well he was a GREAT speaker who was well known amongst the youth and who was always invited to speak at district youth camps and the National Youth Conferences. I knew him and his beautiful wife and the three children he left behind. He died at a very young age. I met Abel Torres siblings there at his brother-in-law's funeral. None of them served the Lord except for the sister who was married to the deceased. Could it have been an IMPOSTER??? Of course no one will believe that because tooo many people knew he was except for you! You might consider calling the bishop in that district to confirm if the information I have given is true!

Chucks!! NO NONSENSE
You should have kept a low key. Now for sure you look like a fool who makes NO SENSE for not getting your facts together.

Anonymous said...

Que diacono,ministro ordenado es fiel al pastor...unos cuantos!!
y gracias a Dios por ellos!!!

Pero siempre hay diaconos y ministros que hacen daño a la Iglesia de Jesucristo...........en cualquier organizacion sucede esto.
Mi punto de vista,la gente tiene que ver mucho en estos casos.

what is going to happen next said...

NO NON-SENSE!!

The answer to your quesion:

Where does this brother in law of Torres live?

ANSWER:
A cemetary in Midland, Tx

No nonsense said...

La Trucha:

Valverde no se ha Hido con su primo Efrain Valverde, Jr., porque son iguales.

Y tambien Samuelito sabe en donde esta "la ficha". (El dinero)

Donde en este """PLANETA""" hubiera Samuelito y Sanchez, Pacheco, Maffey, Prado,Aguilar etc.,

Donde en Este Planeta estubieran
recibiendo'

$10,000.00 dolares por mes.
Sin ninguna educacion!!!

Solo en la Mafia...
Y ellos formularon una Mafia, dentro de La Asamblea Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus Inc.,
Y palabra de Dios es que "VAN A QUEDAR EN LA RUINA"
Como Nabucodonosor" Comiendo hierbas!!

solos y abundonados....como el que esta en Portland, Ore., que tambien fue en malechor mafioso!!!

Por eso no se va Samuel Valverde., Pero tu y yo y todos los que le mandabamos dinero somos unos ESTUPIDOS"

Que Dios tenga misericordia de ti y de todos los que siguen mandandoles dinero.

NOMAS CON VIVIR CON LA MUJER QUE VIVE SAMUELITO ES SUFICIENTE SUFRIMIENTO!!!!

y QUE SI LO ESTA PAGANDO!!!

LA recompensa es pagarse $10,000.00 por mes y mas., y ademas lo que se paga por los diezmos y ofrendas sagradas de los hermanos de Fontana.

Por eso mandaron a Rojas a Arizona.
Porque sabia mucho.

Dios te perdone Rojas porque tu abuelita de Torreon fue una mujer santa y tu un "TRAISIONERO A LA ASAMBLEA!!!

No nonsense said...

What is going to Happen Next:

No that brother in law interment that is in Midland lives now in Paradise.

We are talking about the "other" brother in law that lives in Texas.
Who according to my sources was recently ordained in San Antonio, Texas, to be an ordained minister.

But decided to "create Church Growth" with "stolen sheep" from the Pastor that recommended and "trusted" him to assist him in the church.

That's the one not the one that has passed away.

what is going to happen next said...

NO NON- SENSE
I am waiting for someone to email me the information you requested regarding Abel Torres brother-in-law and his whereabouts. As soon as I get the fisical address of the cemetary I'll make that available for to pay him a visit!

what is going to happen next said...

No-Nonsense: You still don't get it.

The only other brother-in-law of Abel Torres that is a pastor in the AA lives in the suburbs of Odessa, Tx. That's his wife's sister's husband. You got your wires really crossed!

I got the info. you been waiting for, the name of the cemetary is called "Resthaven Cemetary." You'll find his brother-in-law there!

idea said...

I think that’s the problem. Too many pastors don’t think that they can make it unless they have support from the AA. That is the reason why they won’t leave the organization. The only support that I want is the one that comes from above. Of course, if I get some help here and there I don’t mind, but to be in whatever organization just for the support is a lack of faith in God.
In the AA, the AA does not support you, but you support the AA with all your tithes of tithes and all the rest of the money that they ask from you. At least in the AWA you don’t worry about all the financial support that you need to send to the general offices. Now, think of all the things that you could be doing with all the funds that you are sending to Sanchez. It’s a no brainer.
And to say that the whole AWA is having problems just because someone caused a division is totally dumb. If you are going to join the AWA because you think that you are not going to find any problems there, the one with the problem is you. Of course the AWA is going to have its share of liars and thieves and just about everything else that is out there. Who doesn’t? The difference between the AA and the AWA is that in the AWA you do not have to submit to these kinds of people.
If you join the AWA and then you decide that you don’t like it, you can leave and take your corporation with you. Myself, I am not looking for a perfect organization, just for one that will just let me do my job.

The_End_is_Near said...
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The_End_is_Near said...

No nonsense!

"NOMAS CON VIVIR CON LA MUJER QUE VIVE "

What you talking about fool?
I look fine driving in my Beaner.

When Sammy becomes the Prez in Sept. I be getting a Rolls, and you fools be paying for it.LOL LO LOL LOL suckers!!!!!!

MeGustaChismear said...

I am from Houston and this girl knows EVERYTHING that is going on at NLC

MeGustaChismear said...

I use to go there but everyone from there is so fake that I dont care who knows what from there this girl is gonna talk and let it all out becuas they did me and my family wrong too those sutpid idiots my ma told me everything and she talsk to people there

MeGustaChismear said...

And to charmain caca paper mouf todo intellegent all giving yourslef away you prolly from the stuck up english clic imma find out who you are all talking with education you no you not from spanish part

MeGustaChismear said...

we visit the first church alot and i think i know who unhe2 is just wait

MeGustaChismear said...

alamo i know who you are too your family nos my family to i can tell from teh thngs yous ay

justice said...

Boy howdy!
Chismear really made the IQ plummet in this blog.

what is going to happen next said...

Como te gusta cheasmear: Let me tell you what's next:

I remember when it was first discovered by some of the members that the church was not in the name of the AA. This was back in the beginning of the 1970's. I remember the meeting the church had with Pastor Quiroz when he was question about this. I can go on and on but you might not remember because you were only a "MOCOSO" then and still are.
Let me give you a clue and see how smart you are, I worked very, very close to the pastor and I know a lot more than what you think I do.

The_End_is_Near said...

I couldn't understand a thing she said! LOL

trophyman said...

Many of you have asked me to retract my last posting! Let me tell you that long before my posting God had already killed a lot of queers at S&G so what is the big deal with my posting! Perhaps I hit a raw nerve because some of you are living that lifestyle! Quiroz got what he did with his kids because of how he treated some of the youth at NLC! It was very obvious that he practiced double standards when it came to his kids! Just remember how he treated the other gay kids at NLC cause it is a well known fact that his kids weren't the only queer ones there! Anybody remember a guy named J. Zaragosa! Remember how Quiroz and his family treated him!

no nonsense you are so stupid!

CONTINUING FOR FAIRNESS: said...

We did some research on the brother in law of Abel Torres, and his name is Porfirio De Los Campos.

He is brother in law to Abel Torres through the wife of De Los Campos wife and the wife of Abel Torres.

De Los Campos lives in Grand Prairre, Texas very near Dallas.

De Los Campos was ordained by his Pastor's recommendation and in three months of being ordained.
Fisseled out from the church he had promised to help with the AWA and the Awa promoters agreed to have de Los Campos do the "Church Split" and call it "church Growth and "Rob the music instruments, and take about 4-5 families.

De Los Campos, is related to Ismael Martin de Los Campos who is in the G.B. (WOW) Like cousin like cousin.

The recruiters for the AWA went over to Grand Prairre, Texas and incorporated De Los Campos. KNOWING THAT HE HAD ONLY BEEN ORDAINED 3 MONTHS AND WAS MAKING A "SPLIT", a division and "robbing members"!

The AWA promotors advise the newly acquired AWA Pastors how to incorporate independenly, automus, and self governed.

But...........But......The promotors do not "care whether" the new "church" quote un quote is doing it with respect and honor and not "stealing" and causing a "division" with no respect to the local established Pastor and its congegation!!

This is just not in accordance to the "NEW HOPE" Promised by the Newly Organized AWA!


Where is the love and respect for God and the Pastor's dignity?

We know, we know, we know, we know, Sanchez and his gang is worse!

But the "new hope" for the AA Pastors was the AWA?????

How discouraging!

God have mercy. Where is dignity and honour and respect!

gunter said...

okay for fairness. You are one tripped out person you should have done better research because I know the back ground and you are about to get smacked like no other person has on this blog. lol


First lets get the names straight can tell you do not even do your reseach it is Martin del Campos lol no de los Campos.


Next they do not even live in Grand Prairre and have not so
another loser gets on here and gets the info. wrong.

Next Martin Del Campo Gb member does not even talk to his family down there in Texas he has told me on several occasions because I asked him personally about that.

So that was never done the way you said it was so again loser.

Next the AWA they agreed on that family leaving but not spliting the church. The instruments belonged to that family because I know them also.

Sorry to say but they did not take anyone that did not go on their own.

So continuing for fairnes you just get slapped leave it up to another dumb aa member lol.

X-Favor said...

Trophyman:

First of all educate yourself as far as the disease itself
AIDS comes from a virus (HIV) as most of us know which is now been linked to certain type of monkeys from South America. Scientifically speaking there are about four or more theories as to how the virus came about. It includes vaccination as well. Google it if you like. Homosexuality has been around for a long time you daid it yourself. But AIDS was an epidemic in the 80's and not before. So you see it is not just a homosexual disease. It also involves children who never had homosexual activities whatsoever or were exposed to that lifestyle. So when you make staments like Thank God for AIDS, it makes you sound ignorant.
I am not sure how Bro. Quiroz treated others or his own but I can't believe that he approved of this type of lifestyle. As parents you can't always control what your kids do with their lives.
You are not showing love or mercy towards others with your words. To the contrary you sound bitter. Your choice of words are harsh and not Christianlike.

X-Favor said...

To Trophyman:

www.avert.org/origin
go to history and scientific.

No I am not a homosexual. I just think your comments are inapropiate. Even if you are stating certain facts they come across as if you are hateful towards these people who are your felow brethren or supposed to be anyway.

CONTINUING FOR FAIRNESS: said...

Gunter:

Thanks...I baited you and you caught it!

So it is true that there was a split within the AWA in Texas., with the agreement and comfority of the AWA's promoters.

Thanks.

For your info. the deacon, now Pastor is still calling members from the church he "spit" to come and join him.

Thanks again., for setting the "record straight".


So who cares whether the DE Los Campos from here in California and Mexico and Texas do not speak to each other.

Who is talking about that? Whether they are friends or not?

We are talking about their DNA.
That is all my dear co-bloger!

"Still waters run deep" "TEll me where you are from and I'll tell you what runs in your veins.!

How sad for the betrayed Pastor., who had confidence on the De Los Campos deacon!

Your are a great help!!!
For all of us.

But it is a great discouragement for so many of us who really "supported the AWA! and I mean it.
REALLY Supported it!!!

But we must be "reminded" that We Must Trust God more than ever.!!!

God has always been our ONLY TRUE FRIEND! AMEN AND AMEN!

Thanks again!!!

gunter said...

Whatever there was never a split you are just dumb as a mug bro I don't have to fish for info like you lowly members. Do I hear everything first hand so try and quess where I am from all you want poor poor pathetic person that you are.

I hear and see almost everything that goes on I am from cali and us cali people hear a lot if you are connected to the right people.

Clearly you are just a lowly member and us Gbers know our stuff.

MeGustaChismear said...

To whats going to happen never: you only know what happened in 1970 you dumbass dorca bitch. yeah I know who you are you still have all those long velos that your amiga the velo lady use to sell stupid. "oh im so close close close close to bro quiroz you big mensa you were there when the church was turned around did you know it face the other way you blind eye bat. we are already talking to people ther at nlc like lilly, sis lucia apo, abelina telling them about you to expose you gossiping bitch. "i was so close to the famil I was so clost to the family' y quire estar en el mix all mensa.

what is going to happen next said...

To the children of Pastor Lamas "Continuing for Fairness"

I will be praying for your father. I realize how diffficult it is for a pastor to lose members whom he has learn to love and appreciate especially someone who gives a lot support. God will send you other muscians and others to help your father. Life goes on! People are not eternal! They move on. Others have a desire to work for the Lord too so don't take this personal. Don't allow yourself to become bitter and resentful! Bless them and God will bless you!
Love and Prayers from someone who loves you!

Anonymous said...

Los Martin del Campo Bros. que viven en la area de Dallas, Texas
no tienen el llamamiento para ser ministros,menos pastor..

Una cosa es tener don o talento de musica,que ser lider espiritual de una congregacion.

Recuerdan lo que paso en Victoria,
Texas con Hno. Carrera;buen musico
pero no buen administrador del rebaño.

Espero que le vaya bien a Martin del Campo...todo lo que hombre siembra va cosechar.

Anonymous said...

The Martin del Campo who use to play for a Grupo Inspiracion
w/Jose Guillen as band leader..

Who's pastoring the drumer o the bass player!!!!

unhe2 said...
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MeGustaChismear said...

to what's NOT going to happen not now not ever dumbass dorca bitch first of all you need to take something for you stuttering problem diffffffficult there are not 3 f's in diffffffffffffficult do something about your arthritis old withered hand problems go get carpal tunnel operation or something. after all your chismadera you are going to try to tell someone you are praying for them all trying to talk to someones kids on a blog I thought you new these people how come you don't go the their house ho? "dont allow yourself to become bitter like me the dorca bitch." "love and prayers from someone who loves you but damn i can't tell you who I am."

to cbg we didnt know we were gonna hit such a sensitive nerve about your homosexshuality sorry you prolly werent even good at being gay thats why your bitter thats why you so mad. we can feel your hurt imma pray for you like that dumbass dorca bitch who prays for people all undercover stupid. all trying to make us feel guitly cause you are backsliding get over it.

what is going to happen next said...

Don't Know: Neither one. According to those that know this family the younger one who left the church of Pastor Lamas was in Mexico with his parents when his brother's were in the Houston. I just learned today that the President of the Dorcas in the AA "Frances Fernandez" sister is married to these guys older brother who is also cousin to the National leader of Chrisitan Education, Ismael Martin del Campo. What a small world we live in some of the leaders in the AA are in the del Campo clan! This family is also related to a well known pastor "Saul M. Del Campo" who pastors a large congregation in Torreon, Mexico.

MeGustaChismear said...

what happened in 1970: see you didnt comment you know i know who you are and we said oldtimers that go to nlc all im close to the family you to close thats why you not opeing you mouth it only opens to let out all the AA worms and cacaroaches and scorpians and taranshulas that comes out of yuor mouthg you AA gossping bithc..

MeGustaChismear said...

to what going to happen in 2038 i know by now you prolly change your name we not gonna see comments from what will happen anywomre watch.

what is going to happen next said...

Don't Know: Did this family "del Campo" ever make a recording? Someone said they had made a CD there in Dallas.

MeGustaChismear said...

Don't Know: Did this family "del Campo" ever make a recording? Someone said they had made a CD there in Dallas. cause I just got off the AA gossip phone likek the gosspingn ho that i am i like to call all the pastors up and tell them i pray for them then come here to my favoritste blohg and tell everyone in the aa.

what is going to happen next said...

LOL... Great Entertainment!!

Reminds me of our youngest son when he doesn't get his way the foolish thing for him to do is to throw a temper-tantrum and start screaming up a storm!! All we do is walk away and let him make a fool of himself! Bye!

MeGustaChismear said...

Reminds me of our youngest son how we use to walk away from his so much and don't pay attention to him now he's notr serving the Lord and he hates me.

MeGustaChismear said...

MeGustaChismear said...
what happened in 1970: see you didnt comment you know i know who you are and we said oldtimers that go to nlc all im close to the family you to close thats why you not opeing you mouth it only opens to let out all the AA worms and cacaroaches and scorpians and taranshulas that comes out of yuor mouthg you AA gossping bithc..

February 24, 2010 7:53 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
to what going to happen in 2038 i know by now you prolly change your name we not gonna see comments from what will happen anywomre watch.

February 24, 2010 8:04 AM
what is going to happen next said...
Don't Know: Did this family "del Campo" ever make a recording? Someone said they had made a CD there in Dallas.

February 24, 2010 8:05 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
Don't Know: Did this family "del Campo" ever make a recording? Someone said they had made a CD there in Dallas. cause I just got off the AA gossip phone likek the gosspingn ho that i am i like to call all the pastors up and tell them i pray for them then come here to my favoritste blohg and tell everyone in the aa.

February 24, 2010 8:08 AM
what is going to happen next said...
LOL... Great Entertainment!!

Reminds me of our youngest son when he doesn't get his way the foolish thing for him to do is to throw a temper-tantrum and start screaming up a storm!! All we do is walk away and let him make a fool of himself! Bye!

February 24, 2010 8:14 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
Reminds me of our youngest son how we use to walk away from his so much and don't pay attention to him now he's notr serving the Lord and he hates me.

February 24, 2010 8:32 AM
cbg said...
Hey "Megustachismear" one question for you, Are you a Christian?

Lets see if you've got the balls to answer. Dumb asss! lol lol lol.

February 24, 2010 8:36 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
Look cbf I am an AA Christian anf for your infomacion i got no balls. Thas why I like it in the ass you bitch hoe. Come and see me som time!

February 24, 2010 8:42 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
cbg said...
Hey "Megustachismear" one question for you, Are you a Christian?

Lets see if you've got the balls to answer. Dumb asss! lol lol lol.

February 24, 2010 8:36 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
Look cbf I am an AA Christian anf for your infomacion i got no balls. Thas why I like it in the ass you bitch hoe. Come and see me som time!

February 24, 2010 8:45 AM
cbg said...
Hahahah, WOW! Typical Apostolic from the assembly, and from texas to top it off. LOL!! What a dumb ass!Hahahahah.

February 24, 2010 8:46 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
cbg said...
Hey "Megustachismear" one question for you, Are you a Christian?

Lets see if you've got the balls to answer. Dumb asss! lol lol lol.

February 24, 2010 8:36 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
Look cbf I am an AA Christian anf for your infomacion i got no balls. Thas why I like it in the ass you bitch hoe. Come and see me som time!

February 24, 2010 8:42 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
cbg said...
Hey "Megustachismear" one question for you, Are you a Christian?

Lets see if you've got the balls to answer. Dumb asss! lol lol lol.

February 24, 2010 8:36 AM
MeGustaChismear said...
Look cbf I am an AA Christian anf for your infomacion i got no balls. Thas why I like it in the ass you bitch hoe. Come and see me som time!

February 24, 2010 8:45 AM
cbg said...
Hahahah, WOW! Typical Apostolic from the assembly, and from texas to top it off. LOL!! What a dumb ass!Hahahahah.

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