Attention: Apostolic General Board ( I know you read this) If you are disgusted at this blog, don’t be surprised. This is the type of Christian you have produced. You may have begun in the spirit, but you ended up in the flesh. I don’t care how many times you invoke the name of Jesus for your cause, your efforts are futile.
I hope you are proud at what you have created, a bunch of emotional misfits that could not exegete their way out of a paper bag. The only thing you have going for you are the remaining immigrants that could not think for themselves. This also will end. The influx of immigrants that you used to support your monetary gain has decreased. All you are is an organization without life, doctrine and truth.
You should have been more careful. You should have focused more on Christ, than your Assembly. Don’t try using Jesus for your cause now. We have seen that scheme and are aware of its motives.
You have become like Judas and become only aware of the “places” that Christ went but were unfamiliar with His “person”. You may have used the term “ Apostolic” but you were distant from its genuine message.
Don’t be surprised General Board.
You are reaping what you have sown.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1335 Newer› Newest»What is going to happen next, said....Gunter: What does this guy mean regarding "MISD" and honestly "who cares!" Do you know him? Does he have some mental disabilities because he sure doesn't make any sense at all! What kind of members does Bracamontes have there with him? A bunch of dysfunctional ones! Interesting!
Is that really your come back??? What a JOKE!! Is that really all you can say??? The MISD comment is referring to a previous comment that I had posted. If you are going to blog take the time to read previous comments.
Lol I seem to have my sources straight.
I hear Pastor Torres was out of ECISD lol.
Four people have already told me that.
Also your men don't seem to be getting along.
I hear brackamotes called the Odessa People arrogant and said you could even tell by there faces.
Wow does not seem like he is that good of a Pastor to me. lol
Gunter: I heard the same thing regarding a camp they had in their district regarding a son or son-in-law challenging Bracamontes! The person who passed this info. to me said that he did called the Arreola family "arrogant" as they were leaving the campground because Pastor Arreola is very upset with Bracamontes for the exodus he's causing in his
congregation as well as the surrounding churches in that district. He made up some excuse of not feeling well because he didn't want to stay to have to listen to Bracamontes!
I really enjoy Baker lashing at the comments made on this blog. The more a person get's on the defensive side and especially when he or she get's angry they'll say more than what they're supposed to say! Thanks Baker!
Baker said on August 16,2009 at 1:44 pm.
Quote;
"he(refering to Pastor Arreola) always stood behind Abel when he was the bishop here in Northwest Tx"
I guess Pastor Arreola still appreciates Pastor Torres especially when he said " Brother Torres never did this me!"
WOW!!! What a strong statement to make when he acknowledge the work of a servant who worked so hard in that distrist. Pastor Arreola my respects to you!! I pray that God will remove this cancer in the name of Jesus from this district that is causing so much harm to the work of the Lord!
Hey Gunter and What is going to happen next,
Did you attend that camp??? I did not but so I can't comment on it but it sounds like you did not attend the camp either so do not come with he told me...she told me..stories. If you were not present you do not know that for a fact. What I do know is that the cancer is really you. You come into this blogs and spread lies and try to discredit the work that is being done. You are just like a cancer trying to spread your venom. The only thing, Its not working buddy!! I have commented on this blog to defend the credibility of Pastor Bracamontes and Pastor Arreola and have never commented a negative comment on Pastor Torres or others because I hope God Blesses them as well.
The only reason you folks continue to speak about Pastor Bracamontes is because you folks are jealous!! You guys have heard that the real exodus is coming from Pastor Torre's church and you are trying to discredit Pastor Bracamontes. Its okay! God will continue to move and the church will continue to grow. There is nothing wrong with that.
Baker you need to catch up on your reading. Then you would know that your district whom you defend.
Have come on here on several occasions to try and dis-credit Bro. Torres just like you tried with you little pathetic comment about MISD.
SO please do not tell us about hypocrisy when you yourself have done it time and time again.
Your district is so envious and jealous of other people I have been there on several occasions and seen the bad spirit you all carry.
You all discredit yourselves with how you try and pretend to be christians but all you all sound like are bitter people who try to gain up on one church because you all are not succesful.
Panadero:
Let me quote an Arreola typical,
"Oiga brodita no me podria prestar $20 se me olvido mi cartera en la casa, carro, o cuarto luego se los pago" Guess what bread man? A lot of people are still waiting for him to find his cartera! LOL! I see this stuff happening to him only as, what goes around comes around! Arreola has done nothing for that district but reap what someone else sowed. That someone else in this case is the Torres family. I know this rubs you wrong but, before Arreola and before E. Torres and before J. Quinn and before E. Veloz and before E. Valdez and before M. Mendoza there was the TORRES famiy working the church there in Big O! So don't be foolish my friend.
Take care,
Asi que al fin un "genio" de La Asamblea me doy la informacion "al rompe cabezas., que es la prejunta porque Esteban Alvila el Pastor de la iglesia que se robo de Alfa Y Omega, tubo tantos hermanos sola mente "apartados" al ministerio bajo "solamente" como "encargados de la obra", porque asi Esteban Alvila se "robo" todos los diezmos de los Hombres Ordenos de las obras., y decia que el Esteban Avila en realidad "es el Pastor".
de todas estas "obras" nuebas.
asi que a los "encargados" no los ordena al ministerio.
Y asi los tiene a los encargados por anos., solamente apartados y "encargados" de la obra.
Pero ahora se le esta acabando la congregacion de Alfa y Omega, A Estaban Avila en El Paso, Texas.
Pero a Avila no le importa, porque tiene su "negocio" de inmigracion en Juarez., con su "secretaria".
Y ya le compro casas a sus hijos.,
Asi que Avila no necesita mas dinero. Si le manda el 10% a la Mesa Directiva., Avila no les da
razon de lo que recibi en "engresos" de su negocio en inmigracion" que tiene en Juarez.
AHORA TAMBIEN EL OBISPO (TASTAUGO) DE JOEL MIRELES, DE LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO., TAMBIEN USA LA MISMA "TACTICAS"
TIENE COMO 20 MINISTROS "SOLAMENTE" COMO ENCARGADOS, Y NO LOS PERMITE NI LOS APREBA PARA "ORDENACION".,
PARA "TAMBIEN" SOLO TENERLOS COMO SOLAMENTE" ENCARGADOS" DE LA "OBRA"
Y RECIBIR "Mireles" 10% DE ESOS ENCARGADOS.,
PUES AL FIN "MIRELES" DICE A LA DIRECTIVA DE MX., QUE "EL ES EL PASTOR" DE ESAS "OBRAS".
QUien ES TAN "ESTUPIDO" QUE NO SE LE PREDE EL "FOCO"?
POR ESO MUCHICIMOS PASTORES, Y MINISTROS SE VAN A "UNIRSE" CON LA "ORGANICIACION" AWA.
TAMBIEN LO QUE LOS "HONORABLES" ESTAN DE JANDO A BRACAMONTES HACER CON LAS DIFERENTES IGLESIAS EN WEST TEXAS,
CUASARA QUE MUCHO PASTORES, UNA VEZ POR TODAS SE UNINAN CON EL OBISPO BALDEMAR, TORRES, AVILA.
QUE DIOS REPRENDA A ESTEVAN AVILA, Y A JOEL MIRELES. SE han heco ricos..Y a JOEL MONTES DE HOUSTON, TEXAS QUE SIGUE CON LA PROPIEDAD, A NOMBRE DE EL Y NO DE LA ASAMBLEA.
UNOS PUEDEN Y OTROS NO, HUH SANCEHZ, VALVERDE, PA, MA PRADO, AGUILAR!
RICO Y AHORA TIENE UNA CASA DE MAS DE 2 MILLION DOLARES EN EL PASO.
Y SIGE CON NO ORDENAR A MINISTROS, SOLO MENTE COMO "ENCARGADOS."
QUE BANDIDOS, CONTUMASAS, Y BURLANDOSE DE LA OBRA DE DIOS.
DICE LA BIBLIA "HORENDA COSA ES CALLER EN LAS MANOS DEL DIOS VIVO!!
y pronto cayeran!!
No me contesto Martin del Campo!
Que paso en Atlanta, Georgia sobre la divison de la Obra de LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO.
Ya no pudieron "trabajar" con Joel Mireles de Juarez, El Paso, Texas de la Iglesia de Mexico.
Al fin se dieron cuenta los Pastores y los encargados "por largos anos de las nuevas obras!
Que Mireles les estaba "robando" sus diezmos de diezmos a los "encargados de la obra."
Baker: I'd like to give you something to chew on. Did you know someone from the GB is going down to Texas to see what all this fuss regarding your pastor is all about? I think the pastors have had about enough of him (Bracamontes) especially Pastor Arreola and they intend to put a STOP to this exodus he is causing. Sooo.. Baker I would suggest that you and the rest start winning souls as fast as you can bake that bread! Mark the names of the brethern that have been assigned to you all to contact off your list and start making contact with the souls instead. It seems many prefer spending their time in RECREATION and not enough time in soul searching. Have a great day!
Its midweek. I want to invite you to hear the prophet of prophets that our wonderful apostolic assembly has to offer.
Please join us this sunday at The Fountain to hear yet another annointed dynamic message from the Lord via the lips of our Prophet and Pastor, Bishop Sam Valverde.
Come get enlighted to the way of ways, to the path of righteousness.
Come hear our world known praise team. Come sit in our luxereous new church.
We are proud to announce that are will be hosting Conventions 2009 to 2020.
We praise the Lord and thank Bishop President Daniel Sanchez.
See you sunday
when his preaching his a good preacher.. but when his not behind his pulpit then his character comes into question.
NIck names such as the master mind,
the brain and many others comes to mind.. but sorry behind the pulpit preaching does not make you a Hombre de dios rather your character when your not behind the pulpit..I meet many pastors that could preach but when it came down to treating the congregation they would become absolute monarchs that would only answered to higher powers in People, Not the fear of God but rather seek the approval of the GB.. That stupid teaching of if you don’t like it then leave have come back to hunt theme.. Not in character but in money. Money has become the driving force. They still have the basic but powerful teaching of reaching the lost, but make a monopoly of let’s see how much I can milk your temple for money.
WOW!!! Que pronto se le acabo el pan al panadero! Where are you Baker man? Cat bite your tongue? LOL!!!
The GB has there hands full with the 12 year old that turned up pregnant in the Midland church people, that's why they are on there way! Wonder how much this is going to cost the AA? Get your pocketbooks ready!!!!$$$$$$
...My worst fears came true...
...Years ago I saw the dedication of the Assembly Headquarters in Rancho Cucamonga
when I became born again I realized that my role model was Jesus and not my Pastor, in my heart I said to myself that I would follow Jesus at any cost even if the entire apostolic assembly itself became undone and splintered, just as it has today...I saw too many cases of nepostism and favoritism in my own congregation at FTC,
but still I followed my Jesus,
I knew that there wasn't a perfect church and every other
denomination has its own problems...The youth with which I grew up most of them have now
transfrred their memberships to other churches such as the UPC and
others and I dont blame them, I will too...It just breaks my heart that I will have to start all over again at this point in my life I once thought
that I would be an ordained minister but my Pastor passed me
by...I dont have any evil towards him, GOD has called me to do something in his body and in due time HE will use me for his honor and glory...I write this to let other youths know that their Pastors and local congregations WILL let them down, but dont be dismayed GOD called us to SERVE and serve I will...You see
im not surprised at the split
of the Apostolic Assembly, what
I am surprised is that one man
whom I personally know was the chief root cause of it all, unfortunately i will start a new life soon, I wont see the same brothers and sisters but I will continue to serve...I mean no evil to anyone what was done was done and now cannot be undone
I am surprised at how power changes people but I didn't expect it so fast and so soon and to the degree
it manifested itself, if GOD had called me to be a Prophet I would
raise my voice, but I am not a Prophet nor the son of a Prophet
I must be on my way and prepare
myself for that day when GOD will RAISE me up for his honor and
Glory I am not leaving this planet quietly and neither should you,
LOVE a brother form somewhere in Fontana
Mario: I feel your pain! I too believed that these men were really men of God. I wonder how many more have been let down but thank God that he will never let us down. Yes, it's true we can't hate these men that we once respected and loved as our leaders of the church we learned to love but unfortunately it had to end this way for God to clean his church before his coming. They have caused so much damage and hurt to God's church because of their pride, arrogance, greed and thinking only of themselves. Yes, I agree we are not to hate them or wish anything bad for them but as the Apostle Paul said may "the Lord reward him (them)according to his (their) works." I said it once and I'll say it again "their time to pay has come." May God have mercy on their souls for All the injustice that committed.
Top of the morning brothers. I can see there are a few judas at The Foutain. This is troubling. Just because Pastor Sam didn't choose you to be in the inner circle of deacons or ministers doent mean you have the right to put him on blast.
If you were not chosen, then maybe its because you never got past first base.
Perhaps you only gave unto the Lord 5% in stead of the full 10%.
Pastor Sam is wise. Trust your pastor and hold your tongue.
I hope to see you this weekend at one of the many services we have, where thousands are being saved by the Message the our blessed annointed prophet Bishop Sam Valverde will be preaching an awesome and annointed preaching.
Come join us at the multimillion dollar mega worship center at The Foutain in gorgeous Fontana.
Gorgeous Fontana ?
Really ?
WOW !!!!!
Mario: I think you are doing the right thing looking for another place where you can worship and serve God.
Thank the Lord that I have never belonged to this sect in FOT. I feel for those who are still under this bondage,control and manipulation of men because when it's all over it will hit them like a ton of bricks! I just hope when it happens that it will find them standing on solid rock to make it through it. Mario, it's just a matter of time and you will see what I am referring to.
Pastor Sam Valverde has been the Senior Pastor of Fountain of Truth for 25 years. Together with his wife Raquel and their sons Samuel Jr. (Now married to Celeste),Timothy (soon to be married to Sonia) and their daughter Rachel Anne(still single and available), they have overseen the growth of FTC from 84 members in 1984 to a membership total of 3,300 as of February 2009. During this time, he has developed and launched over 50 programs that reach out to the needs of families. These ministries range from helping the elderly, teaching children, arrainging marriage relationships and also reaching out the community.
Over the years, Pastor Valverde has served in many areas of Christian ministry including Founder and Principal of the San Ysidro Apostolic Church Academy, Teacher at Texas Bible Seminary, and writer for the Apostolic Expositor, the official Sunday School study guide for the Apostolic Assembly. He also has a BA in Theology from Latin American Theological Seminary in La Puente, CA and is currently pursuing a Masters degree in Christian Leadership at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, CA. In 1990, he was elected to serve on the Board of Directors of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Inc. as the Secretary of Christian Education. Eight years later, he was elected as the General Secretary. He is currently the Vice President of the Apostolic Assembly and is the chairman of several commissions which include the revision of the constitution, the restoration process, and most recently a roadmap for the future. He has also traveled abroad over 400 times and preached, given seminars and workshops in over 14 countries including Italy, El Salvador, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Belize and many more. He has also written doctrinal bible studies which include: Trees of Righteousness and My Dove is But One and many more bible study lessons. He currently resides in Alta Loma, California, in a beautiful multimillion dollar mansion.
Disgusted 805,
How did any of that glorify God ?
So he has had some accomplishements in his life.
That does not equate to being a Man of Honor and Integrity.
Nor does it equal God'a annointing.
It just shows that he has some talent and he is driven, I wont take that away from him.
However The Legacy that will remain is how he manipulated the elections and placed his 2 vote primo Pachueco into office.
Accomplished ? Yes to some degree.
A Man of Honor and Integrity ? Ummm Yeah not so much !
what is going to happen next said...
Mario: I hope someday I have the pleasure of meeting you in person. I just want to share something that will encourage you and lift up your faith. Just got news from Houston, Texas and if you might remember there was a case pending against the GB from Pastor Willie Mendoza. Well guess what? Pastor Willie WON!!!
The GB had to pay!!! They didn't want to take it to court so they settle out of court!!! I wonder why!! What did I tell you their time is coming to an end!! The folks in Houston,Texas are leaping and running for JOY!!!!
August 20, 2009 12:20 PM
Disgusted805: Can you pleee...se post on how your beloved pastor is doing with this great loss and humiliation!!! Someone must have lied to him and told him he is intelligent so he thought they would get by with this one too!!
I think the GB's attorney finally found another attorney who's way smarter than him.
Ahhh!! Disgusted 805 take it like a man!! Quit your crying and just admit it!
...Disgusted805, you forgot to mention the numerous brothers
that he has hurt, I know of many
i wont mention names but he
did hurt many brothers on his
way up and then almost singlehandedly divided the entire
assembly, you forgot to put that under his many accomplishments
I still which no one harm or evil
I will just go my way and start a new life...
From my information, old man, pervert "brother" Willie Medoza decided to drop his lawsuit.
What else do you call a man who marries a woman 50 years younger than him.
He dropped his lawsuit because he would rather buy viagra pills than to pay lis liar lowyer.
To Disgusted 805:
Your ignorance and arrogance is Disgusting, ask pastor Valverde his opinion of Bro. Willie, You would be enlightened. He will tell you when he was a teacher for The Texas Bible Seminary, which was Bro. Willie's Bible College. What would you call King David for marrying a young Lady by the end of his life? I pity you and everyone else who make vile and false comments just because you can. Know this; you are bringing judgement upon yourself. Fyi The bible college @ Bro. Willie's Church is about to Start AGAIN, Watch out! you may be contending against GOD.
TO DISGUSTED 805!
THE PROBLEM WITH ALL OF YOU miserable Valverdes is--- THAT YOU THINK THAT THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY BELONGS TO YOU AND TO THE SAME MISERABLE PACHECOS!!
Your gang has been around since the "Mafiosos" of your ancestors
disgusted Efrain Valverde came aboard. May God forgive him. He caused so much harm, and to his poor sensible family.
When Valverde crossed the "chain fence" from Tijuana.
Bishop Maclovio Gaxiola told the General Board from the AA.
"ALLA LES VA ESE TORRO".
WOW WAS HE RIGHT.,
AND NOW SAM IS ANOTHER "VICIOUS BULL" SAME DNA!
JEALOUS, SNEEKY, AND SHRUD., AND ROBBER!!!
WHAT' HAPPENING TO ALL THE MONEY COLLECTED BY "LA FLOR AZUL" THIS WEKK IN ALL THE CHURCHES'..
GOING TO THE FOUNTAIN OF LIES CHURCH.,
ASK GOORGING AND LEONA, AND FRANCISCA?
THEY DO NOT EVEN SEE THE MONEY ITS GOES STRAIGHT TO THE "BULL".
SURE Disguested freeway 805..
the conventions fill surely be held in your GYM., All the people have left the AA thanks to the miserables so you surely will not need the Anaheim convention Center., of the Riverside convention Center.
Your "gym" with the "boxing ring", is big enough for what is left.
Maybe you can change the "boxing ring" to a Bull ring" and Valverde can give Sanchez a few kicks., and you too Timmy!
Poor girl that is going to marry you. With such a "horrific" last name as Valverde., dammed for life.! Because of envy, jealousy, and ugliness....
Although. Efrain Valverde, God rest his soul., was born in California, but after picking "grapes and what ever,went back to 'OLE TIJUANA' WHERE HE "learned" ALL HIS "MAFIA DIABOLIC WAYS", God rest his soul.
No matter how many sermons Sammy "steals" from T, D. Jakes and other telaevangelists. He can never get the "rancho" Valverde's DNA out of him.
Trying to go to Fuller huh?,
Well we sure did not "realize" he admired Fuller Seminary so much?
Why he "kicked Dr. Freddie Jose,D.M. out who graduated from Fuller Seminary with a Doctor of Ministeries.
Even Fuller will not change Sammy's DNA, so Sammy should just forget it. He is too "old" to change the "Tiger Spots".
He would have to send Raquel to High School to get "any" class.
If He does graduate from Fulller , in 15 years., he will look down the "hill" and ask Rachel "who are you down there".?
For it will be a larger and wider GAP, THEN IT ALREADY IS.
Sam and Rachel will definately DIVORCE. because the 'EXTEND OF THAT EDUCATIONAL GAP WILL BE TREMENDOUS TO EVER BRIDGE!!!
Rachel is so low class, that is why her father, rest in peace, had to "force" poor Sammy to marry her, or else she'd be like so many other Ex-Bishop daughters., left behind, because of their looks.
Sammy and Rachel are both quite and certainly very arrogant.
They have unscruplously "placed" themselves in the postion to "oust" those from the AA Apostolic generation who were "truly" gifted and annointed.
When asked of those young beautiful Pastors and wives he "blackballed bad mouthed and ousted". He told D. Sanchez, same "mafioso". That he did not even "know them". The Nerve you vulture!!!T.J.
And believe me bloggers we have seen, the likes of the Valverde's and they will surely divorce...
There is sister Mary awaiting, huh Sammy?
Rachel is too ugly and foolishly arrogant to be accepted by anyone.
Just wait and see.
He that doest "injustice will surely surely reap, just that!
Its just a matter of time.
Sammy violated the Assembly's constitution, never was Elder nor Bishop., and is NOW IN THE GENERAL BOARD. HE HAS "SCAMMED" HIS WAY ALL THE WAY.
HE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IF HE HAD NOT "CHEATED, ROBBED AND LIED."
THE ARROGANT WANNA BE PRESIDENT.
TIJUANERO!
GOD FORBID., IN JESUS NAME:
Please God spare us!. Expose Sam!
Disgusted805: WAAH! WAAH! WAAH!
Can't take it, HUH!
How does it feel to lose?? You all might just have to find another lawyer that works for free because you guys will be running out of money pretty soon or should I say other churches refinanced loan money.
What a laughing stock the GB has become!
TO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT:
So (Gernimo Mendoza) won what?
Did he wiN not to have Prado and Vincent Alvarez deposed?
Did Willie WIM the $3,000.000.000 dollars?
DID WILLIE WIN THE ENTIRE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY?
DID WILLIE WIN TO HAVE SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO AND ESPECIALLY MAFFEY AND PRADO DEPOSED?
Did Willie take back the church from Aguilar's spoil kid?
Did Willie win his retirement fund?
Did Willie win "to get back" into the Apostolic Assembly?
Did Willie win the retirement back for Baldemar and Salomon?
Did Willie win to have all the debits and credits edited ON THE "HONORABLES"?
Did Willie win to have all the records of the "INFamous Nava Foundation" disclosed?
Did Willie win the Texas Aggie GAME?
Did Willie win the "right" to come to a Apostolic convention at Fountain of Lies in the convention to be held in September at Valverde's gym? Boxing or Bull's ring?
WHAT IN THE WORLD DID WILLIE WIN THAT ALL TEXANS ARE SO ELATED ABOUT?
IF YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!THEN SHUT UP ABOUT WILLIE'S WINNINGS!!!!!!
MAYBE HE WON THE "HOME RUN" FOR THE SAN DIEGO PRADRES?
WE ARE NOT STUPID.....WE KNOW WILLIE DID NOT WIN ANYTHING.
SO "SHUT UP" AND GO BACK TO HOUSTON AND JOIN WILLIE---- WITH THE "LAME DUCK"
JOEL MONTES, THE PROPERTY SCAMMER!
HOLIER THAN THOU LEGALIST. BOTTLE BLOND WIFE!!!
To Disgusted805,
Two things my friend first we all know why Rachel Anne Valverde isn't married, just check out her skin. She has some kind of Ronia I think it has been diagnosed as Valverde Ronia. Poor girl she is a perfect picture of her mom. Secondly there is something wrong with your Pacheco math. You say that thousands are being saved t fot, but yet your membership is only 500! HELLO!!! Are you related to 2 vote Eddie?
To Apostolico:
Willie Mendoza was one of the "Suit Zooters" He never neva, neva attended High School.
Can you imagine someone with that background not even attending High School, in a secular school district.
And then being "Chief" Of CBAN
Colegio Biblico Apostolico Nacional IN THE FAMOUS STATE OF TEXAS....
Wow...Now the AA is paying back big time, for once and for all, the illeratacy of one of their own "kind" such as Valverde, Pacheco, Sanchez, Prado, Espinoza, Martin, and Aguilar who never even attended HIGH SCHOOL", are the overseers of the CBAN!
No wonder "they" are sueing each other!
By the way, Texas Apostolic Bible School, is definately NOT A "SEMINARY". FOR HEAVEN SAKES DUDE....A SEMINARY IS "A FULLY ACCREDIATED INSTITUTION, WITH FULLY CREDENTIAL RECOGNIZED BY THE SAID STATE OF FULLY ACCREDIATED PROFESSORS.
NOT HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT...LIKE SAM VALVERDE AND HIS TRIBE.
THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU VISIT A CBAN., setting you will find that the teachers there have no knowledge of what "they" are doing. Much less for students when "they" complete the "elementary" Bible school cirriculum...
For heaven sake's man WAKE UP., OR SHUT UP.
Sam does not even know who was the Mother of Adam, nor the mother in-law of Sarah?
how scandelous!!!!
No wonder the educated new generations runnnnnn!.
God help the "new enrolled immigrants.!!!
TO ALL @ AA:
Kudos to Willie Mendoza for going against the AA and beating them! It is so unfortunate that this men that are running the AA will never learn. People the AA just lost 1.5 million dollars on this case! What is it going to take for you people to revolt. 1.5 Million dollars now they are considering selling any church property that has less than 50 members and combining churches so that memberships are bigger in churches. Some of you may have to drive 30-40 miles to go to church whn this happens. How cn you follow this type of leadership?
TO DISGUSTED 805 SAN DIEGO FREEWAY:
ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FOUNTAIN OF LIES ARE "STOLEN" FROM OTHER CHURCHES LIKE THE "TACTICS OF BRACAMONTES!!!!
When Sam found out that the church of Santa Anita, that was pastored by Jenny Martinez Hermandez and Danny Hernandez now deceased, may God rest his soul.
Spoiled "little Sammy went into a rampage. The Church of Santa Anita was "filled to capacity" by members that were "fed" up with Sammy and Rachel. And especailly Timmy, the MANDA MAS!
THE SANTA ANITA CHURCH WAS NOW, in the late 1990's membered by a dynamic choir, "Soldiers on Patrol", with Brother Quesada, as director. This dynamic group sang on Television, and many outstanding "main stream" churches. Had a tremendous OUTREACH MINISTRY. SO THE DEVIL IN SAM GOT ANGRY AND TOLD PAPA SANCHEZ...
SANCHEZ WAS MAD TOO BECAUSE THE YOUTH FROM HIS CHURCH IN WHITTIER WAS BEING EMPTIED ALSO, AND ALSO PACHECO'S AND MA AND AGUILAR'S FROM SANTA ANA ETC.
Well when this choir began to congregate at the Santa Anita church. Alll HELL WENT WILD., and Sammy and Rachel, back mouth, and black balled the choir and closed up the Santa anita Church.
Boy did Sammy go wild. All the Pacheco and the Valverde's demons came out. HE STOPPED THE CHOIR FLAT AND DAMMED EVERY MEMBER OF THAT CHOIR AND SENT THEM ALL TO HELL, ACCORDING TO SAMMY PHILOSOPHY!
SO EVERY ONE THAT CONGREGATES IN SAMMY AND RACHEL'S CHURCH NOW!!!!!!ARE "STOLEN" SHEEP FROM OTHER FOLDS.
SAMMY AND RACHEL LIVE MISERABLY.
SAMMY LOVES SISTER MARY BUT RACHEL WILL NOT "TELL".
that is why she dresses with "tight
sweaters and wanna be teen ager.
So you 805 freeway, stop bragging about your father. He is a vicious man, angry because he was "forced" to marry Rachel or
"be demoted from the ordination" in the church of San Ysidro.
During the 25 anniversary, his mother said that BISHOP Vizcarra had summoned Sammy to come and Pastor the church in Fontana. But in reality it was the 'FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN RACHEL PAPA, AND BROTHER BALDEMAR THAT GOT SAMMY'S PROMOTIONS all of them up to the general board......
Now poor Brother Baldemar is paying, while "ingrate" Sammy laughs on. But the last laugh will be soon to be "revealed"..
Sammy needs to be "recalled" out of the General Board.,for violiation to the AA Constitution.
Too bad Brother Baldemar is not on board on the AA to "reconstruct" this error.
The convention to be held in September 2010, at SAMMY GYM IN FONTANA
WILL BE ANOTHER "FRAUDLENT ELECTION' BY THE CID AND THE "HONORABLES. WILL ONLY BE "ALLOWED" BY THE ATTENDANCE OF PASTORS, PASTORAS AND VOTERS.
NO ONE ELSE.
NO MEMBERS, NO YOUTH,ONLY PASTORS, THEIR THOUSANDS OF $$$$$$$$$$$ AND THE PASTORAS!
SAMMY AND SANCHEZ AND PA, AND MA AND AGUILAR, AND PRADO AND MARTIN ONLY WANT PASTORS THAT WILL BRING IN MONIES.
SO LATER WITH ALL THE MEMBERS...YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE PRESENT....
YOU WILL SEND "YOUR TITHES, AND YOUR FAMOUS "FLOR AZULERS" MONIES.
SO STAY HOME AND JOIN THE UPC.
Remember ousted members., Jesus is coming soon and these fraudlent swindlers will be LEFT BEHIND.
AND WILL BE DEMANDED BY OUR LORD GOD TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OR BROTHER AND SISTER OF THE CHURCH, THAT THE HONORABLES "OUSTED".
THE "HONORABLES" WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE..
NOT THEIR MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, NOR AUTOS.
THEY WILL BE THE ONE "ACCOUNTABLE".
THEMSELVES AND THEIR VICIOUS "QUITE HUM DRUM WIVES!'
GOD IS THE ANSWER. CHRIST DIED FOR YOU AND NOT THEM HONORABLES.
JESUS LOVES YOU. BUT HE HATES SWINDLERS AND LIARS!
THE PHARASIES...HE CURSED...
To Baker:
So you are from Meza, Arizona?
Well then you must remember the very large family of Brother Jose Martinez. Do you remember their daughter Jenny that was married to Danny Hernandez, brother of David Hernandez, from Family Life Center here in California.
Well Juanita, as she was called Jenny was to marry Elias Duarte, pastor now of the Bakersfield church here in California.
Well ever since her divorced she moved to Santa ana, got pretty close to Aguilar, were very "tight" but she left to Bakersfield and now congregates and is "very close" to her first fiance, Pastor Elias Durate.
Wonder how Sister Debbie is handling this.Cesea got Sister Juanita out of Santa ville.
Quite a puzzle? Huh Brother Duarte?
You know the rules.
"no hagas cosas que parescan malas?"
Take care. You are very good at that! So was D Juahll and Juanita (Jenny) Remember back at the GB.
offices here on Beverly Boulevard, back in the "good ole days", Jenny? You "RAN THE GB".
sino que lo necio del mundo escogio Dios, para avergonzar a los sabios. so Bro. Willie did not graduated High school? Does not get any better than this, Does it?
ForthesakeofourChurch:Baker is not from Meza, AZ!
He is the one that bakes all the corn bread that goes with the chili for ALL the cowboys in Midland,Texas where Bracamontes pastors. Now that you've mention him where has he gone to? I guess he is out there waiting for the wagon train that's bringing one of the GB members into town!
Oh! So you asked "what did Willie win?"
Trophyman said:
"People the AA just lost 1.5 million dollars on this case! What is it going to take for you people to revolt."
The GB thought they were going to be able to take everything away from him just like they did to Torres, Baldemar and Solomon and Avila but it backfired on them. The GB is running out of time and money. Fall is just around the corner and they will be left out in the cold!
TE INFORMA; THE WHOLE TRUTH:
What is going on in El Paso,Tx at Alpha @ Omega other than the previous comment you posted regarding this church? According to some of the members there Esteban Avila asked prayer for his family. According to sources there at his church he told them he had taken his attorney to this meeting to protect his grandaughter who is a child and his only son's daughter who he (Esteban Avila) said has something wrong with her brain which causes her to say things that aren't true. How much truth is there to all of this?
Sam Valverde speaks in "tongues". But the difference between his "tongues" and that of a real Christian is that Sam's "tongues" speak lies, deciet, manipulation, hatred, vengence. And thats to his fellow "brothers" in the Lord.
Sam Valverde is a nothing. No better than that pastor from Compton who got arrested last week for embezzling $800,000.00 from his church. That was to keep up his lifesytle in his $750,000.00 home in Corona.
Similar to Valverde except that Vaslverde lives in posh Alta Loma.
He should write a book and name it "The Art of Manipulation and Deciet, Selling Hope for 10%"
The GB's points on lies has climbed! Sanchez called the bishop of the Northwest Texas District to assure the pastors there that all is well with the loss in Houston, Texas with the case they had with Bro. Willie Mendoza. He told the bishop make sure you tell them "though we're HUMILIATED, EMBARRASED, SICK TO OUR STOMACHS and last but not least B R O K E !" Let them know we WON!!"
trophyman said...
To Revelation:
FYI! Arreola doesn't have anybody's back my friend he only has their pockets! It is a well known fact that he bums off of everyone and never pays them back! Is tahat your idea ofa great pastor? Wake up and smell the coffee my friend!
August 15, 2009 2:53 PM
TROPHYMAN, you are officially an idiot. and I guess you should stick to your gossip in Cali, cause your informants, whomever they are, they really suck at passing the info over to you. you apparently don't know our district, much less our district Pastors, or their character. and asking for money, plleassse!!
and the "Exodus", WOW! cause Sam, Ernest, and Jr.(former Odessians) go there, get your facts straight, and like i said before, I am sure they had a good enough reason to be there, kudos to them.
read your bible; the meaning of your exodus is nothing like the exodus of the bible.
Just ask Pastor Abel Torres if Pastor Arreola did not have his back!
if he denies that indeed Pastor Arreola did not have his back, then I will call Pastor Torres a liar to his face, and for sure a few others will join.(and to his wife too if she also denies it, cause for sure she will be there present)
and Pastor Abel is not part of the MISD you can see it for yourselves in one of the videos where he himself says that "NOW" he is going to dedicate to full time Pastorship. No wonder i see former member of his church that dont even go anymore, to either one, puras "Migajas" like his relative Dimas(get it- di mas) sings was what he was giving the AA
and the jokes- ?????
by the way, we are having our Bishops Day Celebration this coming Saturday!!!!
you want to guess where?????
you got it at:
Midland Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.
you are welcome to join us like you've done in the past for other activities. Try to worship the Lord this time, it is good for the soul. forget the political divisions and worship your creator.
Pastor Torres helped out Pastor Arreola not once but many times.
Pastor Arreola would not even of been Pastor in Oddessa if it had not been from Pastor Torres.
So do not come with your pretend knowledge of a district we old timers know a lot more than you little children.
oh, you mean the Odessa church (the one no one wanted) including Torres?
here is an insider, the only reason they offered it to Pastor Arreola was so that he would not leave the district to East TX(dont make it seem as if it was a church that should not be turned down, cause Mr T would not dare take it himself), since you are knowledgeable in the district history, was not Pastor Arreola pastoring San Angelo before Odessa?
so i hear he was offered to pick from several churches in East TX District
we knew Pastor Arreola, and the small church in San Angelo, and also how much his salary was(i believe it was about $200 or so for a family of 7), yeah, he does not take the diezmos like other do, wont mention any names, but you know who they are.
and i am sure that appointing him to a church no one wanted was a favor(yeah sure, whatever you say)with a church building smaller than my kitchen.
as to helping him out, i "bet" anything i can count them on my hand; as to how many times Pastor Arreola helped Pastor Torres while he was bishop, i wont be able to keep count, including the times when Torres could not make it to certain District business due to the fact that he was at school(hence his Masters Degree).
Revelation don't you think you ought to change your name to "demolation?" The vocubulary you use sure don't sound like it's coming from God! That name just dosn't fit you. Try "demolation" instead. You guys talk sooo much that you're moving on! You sure could of fooled me. You guys are always bringing up Abel Torres. Surely there are other well known and important people that have worked hard and build beautiful churches like Pastor Abel Torres built in Midland where you will celebrating bishop's day! Talking about being so ENVIOUS because if you weren't you'd be blogging on the blessings your church is supposely receiving and not on Abel Torres. Like I said before the more you all TALK the more you let us know what is in your heart, HATE towards Abel Torres. I guess the Lord threw a curve ball to you all when he blessed him and still seems to blessing him. Now, let's hear how well it's going supposely for you all.
what is going to happen next said...
Revelation don't you think you ought to change your name to "demolation?" The vocubulary you use sure don't sound like it's coming from God! That name just dosn't fit you. Try "demolation" instead. You guys talk sooo much that you're moving on! You sure could of fooled me. You guys are always bringing up Abel Torres. Surely there are other well known and important people that have worked hard and build beautiful churches like Pastor Abel Torres built in Midland where you will celebrating bishop's day! Talking about being so ENVIOUS because if you weren't you'd be blogging on the blessings your church is supposely receiving and not on Abel Torres. Like I said before the more you all TALK the more you let us know what is in your heart, HATE towards Abel Torres. I guess the Lord threw a curve ball to you all when he blessed him and still seems to blessing him. Now, let's hear how well it's going supposely for you all.
August 24, 2009 2:06 PM
no, let me enlighten you, you all are alway bringing up the AA, supposedly you all moved on, but yet keep bringing stuff up abot Pastors you have no idea about. I step on someone's toes, and suddenly, i am not speaking Godly, you speak against Pastor,leader, laymen, and that is supposed to be ok with everyone. sorry, you speak just like me, you can throw verses out, so can i, all in all, you are the same, and on your title, it is to say "what happened,happened because of not getting titles!" watch the videos!!
oh, and the word "demolation"???
what is going to happen next said...
The GB's points on lies has climbed! Sanchez called the bishop of the Northwest Texas District to assure the pastors there that all is well with the loss in Houston, Texas with the case they had with Bro. Willie Mendoza. He told the bishop make sure you tell them "though we're HUMILIATED, EMBARRASED, SICK TO OUR STOMACHS and last but not least B R O K E !" Let them know we WON!!"
August 24, 2009 11:58 AM
so you heard the conversation, right? if not, then you are just a chismoso, just like all the others
Let me tell you something revelation the only reason Pastor Torres moved him was because Arreola came upset to the Pastors tell us how his kids where fixing to get beat up by the hermanos. In San Angelo, TX.
So Pastor Torres moved him to Oddessa or what ever the town is called.
So that his family would be safe. Do not mess with the old timers we know so much more than what you little puppies think you know.
Revelation who are you to talk about being chismoso when you are just the same as them all.
You turn on people talk about them with out really even knowing.
You hypocrite.
what is going to happen next said...
Gunter: What does this guy mean regarding "MISD" and honestly "who cares!" Do you know him? Does he have some mental disabilities because he sure doesn't make any sense at all! What kind of members does Bracamontes have there with him? A bunch of dysfunctional ones! Interesting!
August 16, 2009 9:19 PM
yeah, very Godly language!
what is going to happen next said...
Revelation don't tell me your back again! Got something to share with you and if you'd like why don't you ask the man himself "Bracamontes."
He was visiting Houston for a revival a couple of months ago, do you remember that? Well, the guy who attended to him such as taking him to the hotel and out to eat asked him "how's it going for you in Midland?" Guess what he said?
Quote; I am so disappointed those members there are so "old fashion, hardheaded and stuck to the old days and they don't want to change."
so, you were there to hear it? if not, chismoso!
Well Pastor Torres did something you can not even achieve.
So his father left him a good inheritance because I knew him personally his father that is.
He taught them to work hard for everything they have.
You may not know this but they were not well off when they first began but the Lord has truly blessed them because of their humble spirit.
So as far as his achievements he did something you all were to afriad to do and he got his education.
You should not be envious because you do not even have a degree.
to Revelation,
Orale pendejo!
what is going to happen next said...
Apostolic Pastor or as you say Fortino. Shame, shame,shame on you!! Weren't you sooooo upset after the elections of 2006 because you were disqualified by your so called friends? All of sudden no one heard from you again. I wonder why? Don't tell me you are preparing to run against Sam Valverde for president next year. What will the pastors think of you now after someone else did the dirty job for you? No dignity whatsoever!
July 18, 2009 6:17 PM
Why shame on him???
what is going to happen next said...
Apostolic pastor: Who are you trying to fool? Why not tell Daniel Sanchez I'm sure he reads this blog too! The prophets in the bible were not afraid to speak the truth to the kings because they were led by God to do so evidently you're trying to appear as the savior of this whole situation especially if you think you have a chance to run against Sam Valverde.
July 22, 2009 6:32 AM
so how come they(the Baldemar clan)did not say a word when Baldemar was in Office for who knows how long, never a peep about diezmos de diezmos, or anything about love offering or taking money from Youth camps just for showing up
So on another note my Bishop just called me and told me that Sanchez is calling Bishops all around the AA.
Telling them that Bro. Willie Lost the case. Well talk about an insecure President.
gunter said...
Let me tell you something revelation the only reason Pastor Torres moved him was because Arreola came upset to the Pastors tell us how his kids where fixing to get beat up by the hermanos. In San Angelo, TX.
So Pastor Torres moved him to Oddessa or what ever the town is called.
So that his family would be safe. Do not mess with the old timers we know so much more than what you little puppies think you know.
August 24, 2009 2:16 PM
you gunter, just joined the idiot's clan with trophyman and the likes. I actually liked your postings, but you are a retard to think Pastor Arreola's kids were going to get beat up by some hermanos! like i said, i really liked your postings, but your informant-yes yours too, sucks!
let me see, i am no mathematician or anything the like, but i think he pastored during the 1985 or 1986 thru 1989 i think. that would make Ivan(Class of 90 graduate)about 17 or 18 years old, his sis Shelly about 16-17, and Omar about 15-16. and Pastor Arreola somewhere in his early 40's, i doubt the hermanos would be able to lay a hand on those kids without them fighting back. I have heard Ivan used to have a mean right hand, and Omar, well "peleonero desde chiquito", that I have known.
i am a father, and if a grown man lays a hand on my children, "i will represent the wrath of God at that moment" God will forgive me or then he is not God.
quit making excuses for the move, we all know he was offered at least 3 other churches in East TX, why? cause he had been going to work during the week to the DFW area, and i think he was helping late Pastor ??(forgot his name-quien quiere cheese)in Fort Worth. So the bishop saw his worth and offered him to pick. (ask him, I did)
I would go work if I was getting paid $200 too. I would not want my family not to have food on the table, which is another testimony i have heard. you can ask him yourself to get the details on that testimony.
so how come they(the Baldemar clan)did not say a word when Baldemar was in Office for who knows how long, never a peep about diezmos de diezmos, or anything about love offering or taking money from Youth camps just for showing up
so how come they(the Baldemar clan)did not say a word when Baldemar was in Office for who knows how long, never a peep about diezmos de diezmos, or anything about love offering or taking money from Youth camps just for showing up
Please try to be more accurate.
What would Pastor Valentine call his wife.
What does his middle name stand for.
If you know him so well enlighten us.
Now this has always been about how the GB cheated at the election.
When did they complain about the tithes it was not till more recent months.
So stop trying to cor-relate to different subjects.
You are starting to sounds like a person who does not even have a point about what they are saying you are just talking out of spite and it is not even rational or coherent thoughts.
It is amazing how the GB keeps an eye on this blogs.
For those of you who do not know what I am talking about I will fill you in later.
Since you seem not to know it is Valentine Bustos I thought you said you knew him.
Is the judgement from AAFCJ vs. Willie Mendoza available? Can someone with access post it? @ Apostolic Letters?
Tondeaf: It will become available to the public real soon! We'll all find out that Sanchez has been lying to all of us all along like he has done with all the other church matters!
So much time on "Texas" issues and not on the fact that Sanchez (ex-cholo)is committing so much injustice.... with the God's people. What goes around comes around. One day we will all be held accountable for our prideful actions. With the economy so bad and scarce jobs, they still insist that the people give and give and give while they just hoard and hoard. There was an article in the paper the other day of how so many Christian organizations are cutting back on cost and salaries. They are giving back into the communities through food banks and soup halls to help the recession we are experiencing.
What if... the General Board was force to stay in homes of the brethren every time they visit their country.
What if... they washed these people feet in signed of true humbleness.
What if... There were now family ties to the general board so we can all get a fair shot at one day filling these GB seats that are never emptied and alway a merry-go-around style of vote.
HEE--HAAA
someone please comment...
What if... There were !!!NO!!! family ties to the general board so we can all get a fair shot at one day filling these GB seats that are never emptied and alway a merry-go-around style of vote.
So who is exactly related to the Ex-Cholo Sanchez that also holds some type of title in the AA?
Can anybody answer this?
TO Roy Almendaration I mean to Revelation:
You've sucked ever since you were born! Your pastor Arreola is a exactly what I described, he owes people money and he knows it. He has no reason to be pissed at bracamontes unles he pays back what he owes. FYI he was very lucky to have come across the Torres family, just like you and everyone else there in your district. Hey why don't you go buy some bread from el Panadero! Have any idea where he is since you know so much about everything. What your problem is, is that you like to smell too much pedo! LOL!!
Take care,
To Revelation with stupidation!
So Arreola gave up on San Angelo because he was only getting $200 a month and had a family of 7 Huh? Mira estupido, Torres also had a family of 7 when he got to Midland and you know how much in diezmos he was getting? You are correct $0 a month! Estupido! Now all you scum bags are benefiting from what the Torres family left behind, that beautiful church building with that nasty ass fence going around it now. Eres un mero idiota Revelatiion,
Take care,
pastors who left the aa.
baldemar rodrigues ca.
david zuniga ca.
juan campos corona ca.
elias cordova riverbank ca.
ramon leal stockton ca.
paul cordova merced ca.
alfonzo carballo sacramento ca.
francisco galves sacramento ca.
angel moreno sacramento ca.
samuel sandate las vegas nv.
art tafoya az.
miguel hernandez pheonix az.
jorge vasquea pheonix az.
miguel mejia pheonix az.
willie mendoza houston tx.
saul avila austin tx.
abel torres midland tx.
miguel gallegos el paso tx.
bishop tovar tx.
plasido sandate nuevo laredo tx.
hector castro el paso tx.
they are all apostolic pastors.
daniel salomon co.
DORCAS!!
Get ready with your FLOR AZUL money because the GB is running VERY LOW on their funds with all the lawsuits especially Willie Mendoza's and they SURE could use your money to SAVE THEM! Ooops!! Did I say save THEM? I meant to say to help the missionaries to save the souls in the mission field.
P.S. Remember to send all the 100% of all the profit you made from all the sales of the tamales,gorditas, peanut brittle, garage sales and etc...
News from El Paso, Tx:
The grandaughter of Pastor Esteban Avila of Alpha & Omega has been turned over to his care. WHY???
trophyman said...
To Revelation with stupidation!
So Arreola gave up on San Angelo because he was only getting $200 a month and had a family of 7 Huh? Mira estupido, Torres also had a family of 7 when he got to Midland and you know how much in diezmos he was getting? You are correct $0 a month! Estupido! Now all you scum bags are benefiting from what the Torres family left behind, that beautiful church building with that nasty ass fence going around it now. Eres un mero idiota Revelatiion,
Take care,
August 24, 2009 8:09 PM
WOW!! someone's on the defensive!!
you are an idiot, if he had given up on San Angelo because of $200 he would have never taken the pastorship to begin with. It is called, and since you are not a family man/woman, it is called "p r o v i d i n g f o r t h e f a m i l y"
and clarify to the reader that the Torres you are talking about, it is Emerit Bishop Valentin Bustos Torres(RIP) to you, and not Pastor Abel Torres.
Pastor Abel Torres came from where?
he was pastoring what is now the church where Pastor Marroquin is at. Then, went for the big cheese at Alpha & Omega. And what happened there, ask Pastor Nick.
213 said...
pastors who left the aa.
baldemar rodrigues ca.
david zuniga ca.
juan campos corona ca.
elias cordova riverbank ca.
ramon leal stockton ca.
paul cordova merced ca.
alfonzo carballo sacramento ca.
francisco galves sacramento ca.
angel moreno sacramento ca.
samuel sandate las vegas nv.
art tafoya az.
miguel hernandez pheonix az.
jorge vasquea pheonix az.
miguel mejia pheonix az.
willie mendoza houston tx.
saul avila austin tx.
abel torres midland tx.
miguel gallegos el paso tx.
bishop tovar tx.
plasido sandate nuevo laredo tx.
hector castro el paso tx.
they are all apostolic pastors.
is that it???
so where is the "exodus"???
The "exodus" is right after the Genesis.
Which is just the beginning.
where are the hundreds of pastors that have left the AA as it is claimed?
yah! remember they walked for many years in the desert cause they forgot about God, until there was none left of the generations that came out of Egypt.
and i know you are going to say that the AA is Egypt, but in this case trading God for positions, politics, and pride is the Egypt. All that is left is the desert and the weeding out, unless they turn to God wether you are AA or AWA or UPC or PAW or Independent, who cares!
oh, trading God for money!
Add Pastor Andrade from N. Carolina
Some one from the AA told me along time ago.
This is "WHAT THIS WOMEN TOLD ME".
" I would rather come to Apostolic Assembly's convention, then to go to any "vacation" in any part of the World."
Well this is the extend of "her" little world. Where else would they see her two piece suits, and where else could she "peddle" her two daughters that never married?
And where else she could she invite every "board member" to her house during the Thanksgiving's dinner>'
Just to get told "Thank you Sister for all your efforts." Her "poor" speechless "HASBEEN" (hUSBAND) JUST "PAID THE DINNER FOR ALL THOSE g. b.!
AND WHAT DID THAT WOMEN GET? SHE WOULD HAVE HAD "MORE GRACE" IN THE EYES of the Lord if she would have invited the brethren with more need financially., then the GB. with their "Mega Bucks" from all the efforts of La Flor Azul, Misappropriated monies.
It is with no "doubt" why I cannot stand the likes of Georgia Marron, wanna be singer, and raking up the megga bucks on her distasteful meloncoly tasteless wanna be songs.
The GB "suckers" out Georgina, Santa Leona, and Francisca (wanna be gringa) (Frances), born in Guanajuato, Mexico, and calls herself (Gringa Frances)
These "exploitors" of the "flor azul monies", Turn their dead ears, eyes and mouth, and lets the GB do whatsoever with the "flor azul" monies.
Why we have here in California, Pastor Frank Ramirez and his sour wife, Tabita, who was "tresurer" of the Dorcas, for years., Who these two worked "the local dorcas, with no mercy!!!! in the city of Long Beach, here in California., and these two did no work, but 'JUST TURNED IN' THOUSANDS OF MEGA BUCK, TO LA FLOR AZUL., AND THEREFORE THE "UNKNOWN", UN POPULAR "TABITA" WAS "ALSO FRAUDULENT" ASSIGNED TO BEING TRESURER OF THE CONFERATION OF THE DORCAS.
WOW ALL THIS FRAUD!
MAKES YOU WONDER "WHAT HAS FRANCISCA, GORGRINA, AND LEONA DONE TO BE THERE FOR YEARS???
It has been going on since AC Nava, and these "gallos" learned good, THE BAD!!!
(NO WONDER THE A.C. NAVA FOUNDATION WENT "SOUR", ASK PRADO!
FRAUD AND MORE FRAUD ON PASTOR'S RETIREMENTS., AND $50.00 FOR THE "WIDOWS".
WOW VINCENT ALVAREZ!
So Sammy will only have "Pastors and the gossipers, wifes, E.Mail, contributors, and so what who will care?
No one. the members will not attend, all they have to do is send "their Mega bucks with the Assigned Pastors.
And the members can stay at home.
The 'FRAUDULENT CONVENTION" OF 2010 WILL BE AT THE FONTANA SAMMY AND RACQUEL'S GYM. THIS WAY THEY CAN KEEP ALL THE MONIES!!!
WHAT A DISGRACE/ THAT IS WHAT WE GET FOR "LETTING THESE" INFANTILE CHOLLOS, FROM T.J. BE IN CONTROL.
THEIR god is 'MONEY AND SPORTS., THEIR god 'GOLF'
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY!!!!
BUT KEEP ON GIVING....
SANCHEZ IS ABOUT FINISHED WITH HIS MANSION, ON THE "ROMERO'S STOLEN" PROPERTY.
While the Romero's son struggles to survive on "welface" and discarded "cans".!
BUT WHO CARES?
YOU SURELY DON'T. FLOR AZULER GIVERS!
Caminando Voy: There is a list of names of other pastors who have also left the AA. As soon as those names are made available to me I will post them!
On another note;
"Demolation" (revelation) don't make CBG mad again (NO LE MUEVAS) or he's gonna give you another
as they say down there in your part of the country "WHUPPING!"
What about John Rodriquez from Bakersfield?
Fellow Apostolics!!!!!
Like so many pastors have said in the past, love the organization or leave it. Well I choose to leave it, because then all I do is focus on the negative aspects of the organization.
God is the ultimate solution for anyone's problems, but if we continue to be under an organization that is money centered, then our spiritual man suffocates precluding us from fruitfulness. The AA system is not designed for effective dialogue, but one way communication which comes from the top down. Since I am aware of their structure, I choose to depart.
Pray for me as I journey into unchartered waters in my life.
God Bless
Pastor y Pastora.
'NO SIGA DANDO "el dinero" de sus miembros para "La Flor Azul"
Los de la Mesa Directiva necesitan ese dinero de mucha urgencia.!
PAERA SUS SALARIOS, Y LAS DEMANDAS DE LA "CORTE".
Este es el tiempo de "colectar" el dinero para los "Honorables". "LA FLOR AZUL"
Al cabo que a nadie le importa que los "templos" esten en las condiciones que estan.
VAN A REFINACIAR LA QUE USTED PASTORERA?
ESTE ES UNA BLASFEMIA!!!
ARREPIENTASE!
USTED , SI CREE EN DIOS VA A TENER QUE "DAR CUENTA EN EL JUICIO FINAL..
SOBRE TODO ESTE "FRAUDE".,
Y LA MALDICION SERA SOBRE "SUS HIJOS" LA REBELDIA VENDRA!!!!!
Ustedes no "pueden" hacer nada en favor de sus templos. Porque "TODO LO TIENEN QUE MANDAR"
A LOS HONORABLES.
PARA SUS "SALARIOS DE LOS HONORABLES SEA DE $10,000.00 AL MES!
AUN QUE TIENEN TAMBIEN EL SALDO DE IGLESIAS, QUE SOLO ASISTEN "COMO DOMINGUEROS".
TIENE UN ANO, SI EL SENOR NO VIENE, PARA COMENSAR A COLLECTAR....PARA LA CONVENTION'
FRUADULENT, QUE SERA EN EL "GYMNASIO" DE FONTANA EN DONDE "REINA VALVERDE".
No habra necesidad de consiguir un auditorio como en Texas o Arizona, o en Anaheim, que eso nunca mas sera., por el compartamiento de los
"homosexuales" que ropian los cuartos.
Pero le importa nada a los "honorables", son a los que "mas" respecta y apollan, en Union City....SANCHEZ, AGUILAR, PRADO, PA, Y MA., MARTIN!!
Asi que este "listo" para llevar todo su dinero para "Sammy y Raquelito..., en la convention de "Fraude" en Fontana en 2010!!!!
PARA QUE COMPREN" OTRO MERCEDES BENZ"
Abra sus ojos...Ya el tiempo es muy tarde!!!
Ore mas y recuerde lo que dice la palabra de Dios.
"ESTE GENERO" SOLO CON AYUNO Y ORACION SALDRA.!
SON "LEGIONES"...
NO MANDE DINERO. DIGALE A SU OBISPO QUE "SE ARREPIENTA>"
QUE YA "BASTA" DE ABUZAR A LAS CONGREGACIONES!!!! Y DE USTEDES PASTORES.!!
UNASE...."CLAME"AL AYUNO Y VIGILAS EN SUS IGLESIA. QUE EL SENOR JESUCRISTO., "SAQUE" A ESTOS "HONORABLES" Y LOS HUMILLE HASTA EL "POLVO"...
ASI ORE., "QUE EL SENOR JESUCRISTO LOS "HUMILLE HASTA EL "POLVO".
"HASTA EL POLVO!!!!"
Y EL SENOR JESUCRISTO LO HARA!!!
EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO!
"TODO LO QUE PIDIERA EN "SU" NOMBRE EN "ORACION" CREELLENDO "RECIBIAR."
QUE "SALGAN ESTAS "LEGIONES" DE SATANAS", EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO!!!!!
"MANIFIESTA SENOR TU PODER EN EL NOMBRE DE "JESUCRISTO"....
GRACIAS PADRE!!
"OREN ASI HASTA QUE ESTOS "DIABLOS" SALGAN....
HAY MUCHO PODER EN LA ORACION!!!!
DIOS NOS CONTESTARA!!!
"HUMILLALOS SENOR JESUS...HASTA EL "POLVO"!!!
NO SON ":NADA", NI EL ESPIRITU SANTO TIENEN, PORQUE "AMAN EL DINERO" MAS QUE A DIOS!
what is going to happen next said...
Caminando Voy: There is a list of names of other pastors who have also left the AA. As soon as those names are made available to me I will post them!
On another note;
"Demolation" (revelation) don't make CBG mad again (NO LE MUEVAS) or he's gonna give you another
as they say down there in your part of the country "WHUPPING!"
August 25, 2009 9:42 AM
CBG IS ONE OF THOSE THAT HAS A LOUD MOUTH AND THAT IS IT! PERRO QUE LADRA NO MUERDE! YEAH, ITS A DOG, WETHER MALE OR FEMALE.
CBG CANT WHUUP ANYONE, BUT HIMSELF.
SINCE CB RADIO TALKS VERY LOUD ABOUT THE "FLOR AZULERS"- JUST CALLED THEM HOMOSEXUALS
THEY ARE NOT "GAY"
THEY ARE NOT "FLOR AZULERS"
THEY ARE SIMPLY HOMOSEXUALS THAT HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD(KIND OF LIKE YOU AND I), AND YET KEEP ON WITH THEIR SINFUL ACTIONS.
YET THERE IS HOPE FOR THEM IN THE LIVING GOD!
Revelation if you're gonna say something say it and quit repeating what everyone already posted.
Crocdundee, wish you the best that is to come to you. Blessings from above.
very good, seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.
yes, there is a lot of static on the AA/AWA, that many have forgotten what you are going to do is to be done, which is to seek first. So with all of my heart, i wish you well.
you are my brother/sister in Christ because of His Blood!
I can still see through the static.
it's not for you, it's for those not wishing to have to read the whole blog, to see a response to a certain comment.
i know i dont want to read the whole blog sometimes, but i am left hanging, and some responses might seem inappropriate,until I read the comments that had been made prior to that.
by the way, still up to now, unless i missed it, NO ONE HAS ANSWERED
WHY DID THE REPRESENTATIVE (FROM MIDLAND-SO YOU WONT THINK I ENVY) OF THE AWA GO LOOKING FOR PASTOR ARREOLA AT HIS HOME??
Demolition (revelation)
Why, are you so concerned of who went to visit who? Can't you find something to do in that WEST TEXAS TOWN of yours? How about watching some football? Do something that is worth while that can help you get through your depressing life!
Was Arreola hiding? If you can answer for him, that is.
In the depositions from Pastor Willie Mendoza's case, the hq folks said that there are three gb members which receive a total of 17% of the total income from the AA monthly. Anybody want to take a stab on who it is?
There were a total of five hq folks who were deposed!
Let me guess!
Sanchez
Valverde
Pacheco
Whats Going to Happen Next said...I'd like to give you something to chew on. Did you know someone from the GB is going down to Texas to see what all this fuss regarding your pastor is all about? I think the pastors have had about enough of him (Bracamontes)
Hey we are still waiting??? Your a joke. We have been informed that a meeting that was held with all the Pastors in the Northwest District this past Saturday was very succesfull and there is a great spirit of unity. I would like to also inform you that Pastor Bracamontes is going to be in charge of two more churches in our district.Does it sound like someone is upset?? I dont think SO!
You also said to The Revelation...Why, are you so concerned of who went to visit who? Can't you find something to do in that WEST TEXAS TOWN of yours? How about watching some football? Do something that is worth while that can help you get through your depressing life!
It looks like the one with a depressing life is you!! you comment every hour on the hour!!! Do you have family, friends or a job?? Sorry about the job, you sound like you are on welfare.
To Stupidation w/o Revelation:
The church in Midland initially started with the Torres family, a family of 7! That my friend includes Pastor Abel Torres, of course you are to stupid to figure that one out. From there he would go to Andrews to start that work. He was doing all this at the age of 21, all this time using his own money not the $200/mo you talk about. If you weren't so stupid you would get the revelation that this is living by faith. Maybe that's why he is reaping god's blessings this days. Donde esta tu quate el panadero?
Saludos desde Califas
I think I would much rather dwell on the fact that the good Lord is blessing us greatly here at ALCC Midland. Last week the beautiful and hardworking hermanos under Sis. Dahlia Torres efficient leadership quickly put together a Vacation Bible School program. We had outstanding attendance and the hermanos outdid themselves wonderfully.
We are definitely being blessed over and over again. God bless everyone who still loves us and prays for us.
i received this email from a friend, and sadly, election fraud and all the bickering back and forth simply keeps us from the focus Jesus wants us to focus on, which is to bring hope, salvation, healing, and of course Jesus to this world. This family is our family in Christ, so act upon your duty as a believer, a born again Christian, redeemed by HIS blood, a Holy Ghost filled Christian, to pray for those that are in need of a prayer of intercession.
and with this, i ask forgiveness from anyone I have offended on this blog! GB(God Bless)
Subject: Please Pray for Sam Bish
We never know what tomorrow brings. Help this family by saying a prayer in his recovery.....
PLEASE READ TO THE END. . .
VERY IMPORTANT IN NEED OF PRAYER CHAIN LETTER. . .
Background Story
Our son Sam is a wonderful young man who is 8 years old. He will be 9 in January. He is going into the 3rd grade in Reynoldsburg , Ohio . Sam had been having some pain in his right knee most of this summer (2009). As the pain increased we realized that something might be wrong and we made an appointment for him to see an Orthopedist on 8/10/09.
At this doctors appointment an X-ray was done of Sam's leg/knee and it showed that there was a mass that the doctor believed to be cancerous.
Samuel went into the hospital just a few days later for a series of tests. He received a cat scan, MRI, and also a full body scan. Our family met with the pediatric oncologist the following day and Samuel was diagnosed with a type of cancer called Osteosarcoma (stage 4). The cancer is in his right knee and it has also spread to both of his lungs. This is an agressive type of cancer and it will be treated with agressive forms of chemo.
We are asking everyone to please lift up our litle boy Samuel Gordon Bish in prayer.
We pray for healing!! We serve a mighty God and we know that HE can heal Sam if that is his will for Sam's life.
Please be prayer warriors along with our family as Sam starts this very difficult journey in his young life.
Today's date is August 16th, 2009 and all this has happened in 6 days.
His first appointment was on Monday the 10th and by Friday the 14th he was in the hospital getting his Chemo-port put in his chest and a biopsy done.
I figured if an animated woman walking around the world for cancer can get passed to millions, then so can this story.
PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING TO YOUR CONTACTS IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK!
SAM CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH PRAYERS.
WE PRAY FOR HEALING AND PEACE FOR HIS FAMILY. . .There are also 2 younger sisters.
I believe in the power of prayer. Whether it be to help save Sam's life or just help his family through this difficult time. No one should have to go through this with their child.
Please keep this going. Nothing is going to happen to you if you don't, but think of all the wonderful prayers this little boy will receive.
May God smile upon you today and everyday.
but I will still try not to answer "comentarios estupidos" like those of atrophyman
if they require any response, then i will write something.
if there is no response on my part, it will be due to the "estupides" of the "comentario"
did you get that atrophyman or are you too "estupido" to be bilingual?
ATROPHYMAN said...
He was doing all this at the age of 21, all this time using his own money not the $200/mo you talk about. If you weren't so stupid you would get the revelation that this is living by faith.
the $200 is out of context on this comment, as to living by faith, I guess you still do not comprehend the definition of faith!
To all bloggers:
Please read the previous comments on "PREVIOUS" years and the following on
TROPHY CRITTER: (TROPHY MAN)
THIS "CRITTER" AND "LA CUMINA" ARE THE SAME., THE ONE THAT IS "SCAMMING THE HISPANIC WORLD" with his "out of tone", toot and toot and toot out dated songs, wanna be "hep" and "cool" gone Assemblies of God, "trino"..
be smart get off our BLOGS, YOU "TRINO" TROUBLE MAKER...ASSEMBLY AND AWA AND UPC HATER!!! THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE "TROPHYMAN," OR RATHER "BACK SLIDER"..CRITTER!
YOU ARE DEFINATELY FROM N.M.
AND ARE "HATED" BY ALL., FOR YOUR SCAMMS...!!!
YOU, Trophy-CRITTER want the AA destroyed, the AWA destroyed and the UPC destroyed because YOU ARE A LOSER!!! AND "UGLY TO BOOT"
LOSER!
HATER AND TROUBLE MAKER!
YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN "SOOO JEALOUS" OF BISHOP ABEL TORRES, AND "PRETEND TO BE HIS FRIEND"
YOU "CRITTE" ARE A "MISERABLE LIAR" AND WANT TO PRETEND YOU LOVE PEOPLE.
LOOK AT YOUR FACE IN THE MIRROR AND KNOW WHY YOU "HATE THE WORLD"..
WOW!!
Tropyman: I am sure the Torres family appreciates you very much and I'm sure the feeling is mutual by your comments you post regarding this family. Reading your comments tells me that you know more of this family than we do therefore it angers you for someone to critcize or talk against someone who has worked and sacrificed everything for the work of the Lord. I personally admire your boldness to be able to speak up yet be able to take the criticism as well. I don't know you personally but don't you think it's best to let God speak for this family so you don't expose yourself for people to try to intimidate you. God will speak for them just as he's doing now and will continue to do so. Just see all the blessings this family is already receiving. Do you think Satan is happy? Of course not! Do you think God cares? No! He'll just keep on blessing. God always does a better job than us.
God bless
You losers are just jelous because the Valverdes are the Kennedy's of the Apostolic Church.
John 3:16
What a comparison to make the Valverdes to the Kennedeys? That's not very nice!
The Kennedys have been known for their affairs.
You can't compare the kennedy's to the valverdes.
The kennedy's were good looking. The valverdes look like foot fungi.
Revelation said on August 26 at 6:45 p.m.
"and with this, i ask forgiveness from anyone I have offended on this blog! GB(God Bless)"
Revelation said on August 26 at 6:56 p.m
"did you get that atrophyman or are you too "estupido" to be bilingual?"
Revelation, you were doing so good until 10 minutes later. I really thought you were being sincere or did you make an exception with one person?
Revelation with Retardation:
I would go to your source Nick in El Paso, but according to my sources in Houston, seems like Mr. Nick was having some fun with 15 year olds at Sinai Academy when he worked there. Sounds like history is repeating itself all over again with an AA so-called minister this days. Anybody have anything on what is going on with Maffey?
To what is going to happen next:
Thank you very much for your comment!
It's not so much that I defend the family so much as I do the sacrifice that they made for that district. I have never met them but I have heard some incredible testimonies about their sacrfice. I was able to borrow a copy of the elder Torres memoir that he wrote about the history of that district and let me tell you it brought tears to my eyes! I just don't understand how the AA would py them the way they did!
Take care,
All the way from Beautiful!
Huntington Beach, Ca
Here it comes to you in truth:
Hey Trophy man, Chumina(What is going to happen next all in the same:
You do not live in Hunting, California! You live "right here in Cruces"]
You wish California would accept you.
But if you hate the General Board., Sanchez, Valverde, Prado, who you "framed" and kicked out of here. You also have been so jealous of Bishop Torres, but you pretend you are his friend.
Your father the womanizer, could never compare to the true loving of the Apostolic Assembly as Bishop Valventin Torres and his prayer warrior wife, Sister Maria.
You two came from the scum of N.M., and Cruces. So stay out of our blogs, liars and "Trinos".
You only went scamming the Trinos also with your money hungry scams.
And your wishes is to see the Apostolic Assembly destroyed, completely and also the Apostolic World Alliance Orgnization.
Your first name is "Hate and more Hate. You "live" for revengue, and egregious!.
Get out of "our blogs: and out of our State. You have only been "revolt, lies and revolution" to all the Pastors here of the AA., and you go undercover. But the General Board knows you are scammers and losers. And so does the Torres family and especially the AWA.
Stop being a "user". Its too late for you. Just look in the mirror as the previous bloger told you, baited you and your fell "right for it"!
We all know who you are liars, and
offenders of the word of God since you were thrown out into this World.
You two make the perfect ugly couple.
YUK!
Repent because of all the lies you have done and the scammers. You have not shame.
I do not need to bait you, because we have prayed and fasted you will finally leave our Church. And you have!!!
Poor trinos....May God protect and reveal to them the Oneness of the Divinity of God.!
Not with your examples, that's for sure!
En Vivo:from New Mexico
It seems that trophyman is not the only one who has read or knows the Torres family. You also know this family as well. Wonderful!!
Seems that God keeps on blessing this family everyday. Why don't we all join this family after everything they have gone through and rejoice with them as well. Isn't that what God would want us to do? I'm sure you would agree being that you are a spiritual person. So let's give a SHOUT OF PRAISE because what Satan meant for harm, God turn it around to a great VICTORY to show the world that NOTHING AND NO ONE COULD COME AGAINST HIM!
God Bless and have a wonderful day!
what is going to happen next said...
Revelation said on August 26 at 6:45 p.m.
"and with this, i ask forgiveness from anyone I have offended on this blog! GB(God Bless)"
Revelation said on August 26 at 6:56 p.m
"did you get that atrophyman or are you too "estupido" to be bilingual?"
Revelation, you were doing so good until 10 minutes later. I really thought you were being sincere or did you make an exception with one person?
August 26, 2009 4:44 PM
DO YOU WORK FOR CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC OR ANY OF THOSE NETWORKS?
CAUSE YOU NEED TO QUOTE THE WHOLE THING NOT JUST A PART OF THE COMMENT!
AND IT WAS A BAIT, AND BOTH OF YOU FELL FOR IT!
WHO'S ON THE DEFENSIVE?
NOW THIS IS WHAT I WROTE AFTER THE PRAYER REQUEST, THAT YOU PROBABLY DID NOT EVEN PRAY ON THEIR BEHALF:
The Revelation said...
but I will still try not to answer "comentarios estupidos" like those of atrophyman
if they require any response, then i will write something.
if there is no response on my part, it will be due to the "estupides" of the "comentario"
did you get that atrophyman or are you too "estupido" to be bilingual?
August 26, 2009 6:56 AM
En Vivo: truth from NM and Trophman:
Since you two are
from NM, do you know Willie Roman?
its ok "CBG"(can't be gay)
your gay actions is what makes you a sinner, but you still have hope in Jesus. He can deliver you from that reprobate spirit.
you can openly come out of the closet, its ok, seriously. we wont hate you for you being delivered to a reprobate state of mind. Jesus can still deliver you.
and whoever said this was a Christian blog, it's a blog about election fraud and skeletons in everyone's closet.
praise report:
The Midland Apostolic Church is rejoicing with their new Pastor regardless of what false testimony anybody else on this blog is saying!
The discipline that was lost,is being revived; our Apostolic Discipline. if you dont like it, go to the AWA, UPC, PAW, or other one that allows your make up, pants, and jewelry(OUR discipline sets us apart from the rest)
so how were the conventions that they had in the districts of the asamblea? i was talking to bishop John Fields when someone text a quote by a Bishop of the assembly "You can be Annointed and not be accepted" so i guess he was talking to ministerial body,,, at that moment i started laughing cause of this funny quote by the Master Mind of the asamblea.. NOW that was Funny!!!!!!!!CMC!!
http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/07/hr-2749-sic-food-safety-bill.html
you think election fraud is more important than what is going on in our country at this moment??
he said, she said, they were booted, they left on their own free will!!
our freedoms are being challenged, that includes blogging, religion, right to bear arms, mandatory vaccinations, and the list goes on.
so for you Obama voters, this is your wake up call!! WAKE UP!!
CBG goes to Fontana every sunday like a good little maricon.
Trophyman or En vivo: Truth from New Mexico
Do you either of you guys know Willie Roman?
Well Midland Apostolic of the Faith in Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco,Aguilar,Prado,Martin del Campo and Maffey, finally heard something from your church. All along I thought it was all about Pastor Torres and ALCC because that's all you folks talked about. I guess you guys were searching hard for something you could brag about. CONGRATULATIONS!! You finally found something.
LET'S HEAR FOR THIS CHURCH!!!
The reveGAYtion said,
"The discipline that was lost,is being revived; our Apostolic Discipline. if you dont like it, go to the AWA, UPC, PAW, or other one that allows your make up, pants, and jewelry(OUR discipline sets us apart from the rest)."
WOW!!! Need I say more? Your stupid, pathetic little apostolic life is based on disciplines like make up, pants, and jewelry(YOUR discipline sets us apart from the rest). What a little wee man you are (And I mean that in many ways ;-] ). No wonder the AA is in the condition it is with people so shallow like you. At least Gay Akin came up with such a powerful line like "CBG goes to fontana every sunday like a little maricon." Hahahahahahah!!!!
What a bunch of APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY DUMB ASSESS. Very smart and intelligent!!!!
to "what's happening" and "I can't believe I'm Gay"
it's never been about AT or your white wannabe church, your focus went off the election fraud and tried to exalt man(YES YOU DID IT, we are merely trying to get you off the high horse), you can tell the catholic church of all the "blessings" they might just make him a "saint".
CBG, i knew you were gay ("What a little wee man you are (And I mean that in many ways ;-] )" ATASCADO!
see there you go again, we are based on the DOCTRINE.
AWA HAS THE SAME DOCTRINE, BUT THE DISCIPLINE IS WHAT NOW SETS US APART FROM AWA UPC ....
BUT I CAN STILL TELL WHO IS UPC AND WHO IS AWA
ONE IS A CRACKER AND THE OTHER A BEANER!
Revelation: Your comments against AT as you say shows that you have so much hate towards him. Why?? Didn't you all stay with everything? Then, what is all the fuss about? They seem to be moving on as you or Baker suggested for them to do. Are you all that ENVIOUS of him that you can't see him or the church being blessed? Don't you think for you all sake it would be best to bless them so God can bless you all too? At least that's what the word of God says "I will bless those that bless you." I'm sure you know the rest "I will curse them that curse you.
Genesis 12:3
so why do you keep cursing the AA and the memership??
oh, and the verse, it was directed towards Israel
does not mean we can't apply similar promises. but the promises of God for the Church are independent to those for Israel
TROPHY MAN:WOMAN CRITTER
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT-
AND CHUMINA. HOPI INDIANS.
SCAMMER ALL OF YOU L. RIOS AND FAMILY.
YUK!
You have all been so jealous of everyone that is "human" like Bishop Torres and family.
Why pretend you love them, when you hate everyone. Including Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Prado whom you "kicked" out of here, since Prado "beat you at everything including golf., and could see through "your money scams., since you are always "crying for more money".
And you are now gone trinos, and your partner wear "pants, to show defiance!, against the AWA Apostolic UPC and the oneness doctrine.
Gone trinos.. good God heard our prayers and you left the Apostolic Assembly. Great and good!!!
Stay out hiprocrates!!!
You wish you lived in California.
But you are so poor you scam the churches just to be able to survive here in Cruces.
You wish you had one inch of the Annointing of Bishop Abel Torres.!
But you do not liar. That is why everyone sees right through you.Scammer.
Please the AA had no discipline they only pretend to.
I know many of thosee AA even of the women in that district wear pants.
Jewelry make-up and all sorts of other un-godly things and then you all say you are godly and christian the only thing christian about your all is the words you say because everything else says otherwise.
So why are you all being so fake.
So unrealistic.
Such a pit of vipors and hypocrities you all are about and holy as the catholic church.
I have heard from many of the people their how two faced you all are.
The Torres family seemed to be blessed by that community so just get over it.
Deal with the fact that their are churches who God favors and with your way out pretend to be christian attitudes and on another note I know people here in my town who do not want to go to your churches because they know of how fake you all are.
They say the difference between be catholic and apostolic is that the catholics really admit the way they are you all try and hide.
Save it revelation save it for someone who actually believes what you say.
You vipor.
En Vivo: from New Mexico:
Do you know that I agree with you that Brother Abel Torres is ANNOINTED! This is why the AA threw him out. He was a threat to them (AA) so the easy thing for them was to say lies just like revelation and baker have been saying to get others to believe the AA had a reason to throw him out by saying he was a rebel! He didn't leave! They didn't give him a choice but told him the only way he could stay as a pastor was to retract that the fraud in the elections of 2006 never happened! These trinos you speak about! Who are they? No kin to me that's for sure.
To En Vivo: from New Mexico:
I never said that I left the AA I am still here, I just cut them off from getting my $$$! I refuse to leave a place that I have put so much into! Fortunately for me they can't do to me what they did to the Torres family in Texas. I don't envy anything from anybody, I lead a pretty good life here in Huntington Beach!Life is Good!
FYI! Revelation is an idiot from Odessa that thinks he is a minister you and I know better! Right? He actually use to be a minster under Torres, that didn't pay his diezmos!LOL! When he preached he tore everyone a new one until Torres called him on it. That's why he ended up in Odessa.
Abel Aguilar pulled one on him to get info and then he threw him to the lions and that is why he is so bitter against Torres. Should I say more?
Take care,
All the way from Huntington Beach!
Revelation all the words of God were directed to Isreal we dont even count none of us that profess to be christrian but we are now a branch of the promises because of what God did at Calvery Go to bible 101 and leave the big battles to those of us who actually read our bibles.
I can tell that you sure don't or you would have know that it did not even apply to Isreal but it applied to one person.
I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."
He was just talking to abraham or abram as he was called at the time do your research before you try and make others look stupid and the reason I said bible 101 is because the verse is found in Genesis.
Thanks for the lesson sister thinks she knows a lot but can not even read her bible revelation. lol
one typo Calvary instead of Calvery.
So I got caught up in the moment.
trophyman I actually think it is a young person because no person that is mature would make a critical mistake like revelation did. No self respecting minister would do that.
It sounds like a young person that never reads her bible.
She just goes of by what everyone says.
"oh, and the verse, it was directed towards Israel" said revelation so eloquently.
On one last note trophyman has defended Pastor Torres.
Let them be hateful all they want trophymand it is just people who are made because we got them on the run keep up the good work.
IF you talk about wanting to be a real mexican stop looking like holister just threw up on you and be a real mexican and use a sarape if you want to be real mexican.
I know it will take you a while to figure that one out you holister mannequin.
To all those of you who would like to see the wonderful progress at our church here at ALCC Midland tune in to the following link for a view of our most recent activity - VBS 2009! God bless our children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2y3hfualtk
Now you guys Gunter & CBG leave EVY-ENVIOUS (revelation) alone. You're going to make the POOR GIRL cry!
Great News from East Texas, World Faith Center's Pastor Guillermo Mendoza has re-open the bible college with 17 students and growing. God is Great.
Lol, YOU People are retarded!
Let me see:
Abram-Abraham
Isaac
Jacob-Israel
yeah I'd say it was for Israel
Abraham was not immortal
and according to our Bishop's day service, it looks to me that your snitch is nothing better than a (fill in cbg's favorite word)
Our district convention will also be held in Midland Apostolic Assembly.
WOW! They are really upset with Pastor Baracamontes!
Seems the District Pastors are more united than before. Had not seen so many Pastors at a District activity and congregations!
So really, really find a different snitch!
All is well in our Northwest Texas District!
And we picked up a love offering for our Bishop, it was something Pastor Ortega felt in his heart, and we felt honored to give And show our Bishop that we appreciate him.
Pastor Marroquin's church has awesome, or some of the best musicians in our District if not the best! Hope the Lord keeps blessing him and his congregation greatly!!!!!
To Retardation with little Revelation:
You stand to be corrected Pastor Marroquin use to have awesome musicians that were always late and didn't pay their diezmos! Now they are doing the same at Bracamontes! Los Tarines siempre han sido problemticos!
I hope you have a great convention in the house that TORRES built! Awesome building with a nasty ass fence around it!
Take care,
Sorry he was still talking directly to Abram-Abraham those words were never mentioned to Isreal so where are you getting the comment that he said that to/for Isreal.
God made that direct Promise to Abraham never to Isreal come on now.
Not only to add insult two injury but it took two days for you to even come up with a response who did you ask ? lol.
Your family by chance lol.
The promise was never made to Issac or Isreal it was made directly to abraham.
So that's why there was a parade up and down Wall Street in front of our beautiful new church (the one without the ugly fence) of all you people who came for that bishop activity. Couldn't help yourselves, could you?
Sorry that it took the leaving of the greatest bishop of all time Bishop Abel Torres for anyone else to get a chance. Arreola didn't even stand a chance at second best. And Leonardo only got it by default. Losers!
UNITY in Northwest Tx??
Churches have been shut down!
Two pastors just recently resigned from the AA in this district.
Sounds more like DEFEAT!!
Seems you guys are going backwards!
LOL!!!
pobrecitos, Pastor Phil still has awesome musicians. that's right, you no longer assist Apostolic Assembly activities, so you would not know.
if you went to the service, then you would know and you are in denial about our unity, about our musicians, about the "fence"(that one is a funny one-does not even look that bad) i saw it, and i was waiting to see a chain link fence with barb wire with electricity running through it, but it is just a boundary fence, about 6' tall that runs on the sides and back of the property.
caminando_voy said...
So that's why there was a parade up and down Wall Street in front of our beautiful new church (the one without the ugly fence) of all you people who came for that bishop activity. Couldn't help yourselves, could you?
Sorry that it took the leaving of the greatest bishop of all time Bishop Abel Torres for anyone else to get a chance. Arreola didn't even stand a chance at second best. And Leonardo only got it by default. Losers!
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In case you dont remember, wall street is a main street in Midland. there is always cars going through there.
oh, and there was a Masonic get together in Midland, maybe that is why you saw all those cars, and thought in that small brain of yours that it was all Apostolics.
now listen to this, I don't know why you think Apostolics hate Pastor Abel, if they did, they would not wish him well. The division was not because of doctrine, therefore, Pastor Abel is still our brother. if the division had been because of doctrinal differences, then i would tell you that you are in the wrong church.
now a small little question, do you curse against Israel?
oh, by the way, about the masonic get together, that was a joke, forgot to say that!
lehan said..
Not only to add insult two injury but it took two days for you to even come up with a response who did you ask ? lol.
sorry, i dont live on this blog, if i feel like going to the store, i go, or do something else, i do it. i am not going to stay glued to see what stupid comments or rational comments everyone states here. so if if i am silent, that would be because i am doing something else.
I know you understand this, and I hope you do the same.
Still you contradict what you say if you did not want to see what comments were here you would not even get on to answer but you do.
So clearly this stupid blogs as you have put do affect you because you may not waste time to sit here everyday but you still waste time to write back. lol
Sorry! Folks don't mean to ANNOY you as much as revelation ANNOYS US! And no this is not her cell phone bill.
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What a BIG JOKE!!!
Lehan: Too bad they won't be having those muscians from Andrews for long. Just ask Pastor Marroquin?? I saw them at Gaylord and they sure do have some awesome muscians and singers unfortunately the one with the beautiful voice is no longer there "Melody." I saw her the other day and she is doing great! Being married to Danny has been the best thing that has happened to her. She looks very HAPPY!!
They tell me Pastor Marroquin is a COOL pastor. He allows the girls to dress as they like even if they're baptized. He doesn't enforce holiness. They are allow to dance, wear jewlry, pants and dress the way they want but these days who doesn't? I'm sure Midland Apostolic Church,Odessa, Lubbock and etc.. knows what I'm talking about? Folks WHO are we trying to fool? The GB. I don't think so because they pretty much do their own thing too!
Revelation about that 6 feet tall metal fence around that beautiful church Pastor Abel Torres built WHAT WERE YOU ALL THINKING? No class whatsoever! I saw a picture of it and it looks like something you would see in your part of the country which is Ojinaga, Mexico. Can't you people just leave those RANCHERO customs behind? In case you didn't know it you're in the UNITED STATES!
Your quote "Pastor Abel is still our brother"!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, Helloooooooooooooooooo CAIN.
trophyman said......
You stand to be corrected Pastor Marroquin use to have awesome musicians that were always late and didn't pay their diezmos! Now they are doing the same at Bracamontes! Los Tarines siempre han sido problemticos!
What are you talking about?? Tarines have always been problematicos?????? Have you seen who are the musicians at Torre's church??? I like to have affairs De Los Rios and Smoke alot of weed Taylor!!!!Come on, you complain about been late...WAKE UP!!!
P.S - We will have an awesome Convention in the HOUSE that the MIDLAND HERMANOS built with the help of the LORD!
Revelation/Baker
For someone who hates us so much you sure keep up with our church a whole lot. Are YOU stalking US? If you wanna be close to us join the Masons.
Don't push it sister because I'll tell YOU about ALL the ones who are presently having or have had affairs over there (and are sitting up front) and it just might affect you personally. At least some people learn from their mistakes and repent and try to better themselves. Just remember -you threw the first stone.
. . . And that's the House of the Lord that Pastor Abel Torres ENVISIONED, DESIGNED and personally WORKED on till all hours of the night even when most hermanos were gone for the day! So quit uglying it up!
Had it not been for Pastor Abel Torres' vision and his faith placed in God that it could be done that church would not be standing today. It takes good leadership my dear. And for you all to be uglying it up already is an abomination.
The Midland hermanos that left with bro. Torres built that the church. The ones that stayed always complained about why they had to do it.
The never gave to the church they always had shaddy dealings going on.
So those brothers never gave the onlything they gave where problems and headaches and a spirit of discord.
I lie to someone who believes you baker because we sure don't
Did I step on someones toes????? OUCHHHHHH!!
You folks for a long time have been in this blog posting negative comments about the GB and others but when there is comments about you its always a lie and say that there is a spirit of discord.
Please go cry me a river!!!!LOL.. And as far as trowing the first stone you have been trowing stones in this blog for almost a year and 1/2. Or should I do what The Revelation does and go back and copy and paste every other comments and expose you like that!!!
Naw, you didn't step on any toes because with your weight problem we would hear the screams arond the world!
Dearie, we have more people at our Wednesday nite service than you will at ur convention. Cheers!
LIAR!! I have been to one of your sunday services .. and it was about 150 in that little church. Who said I had a weight problem. Have you seen yourself in the mirror..I know who u are!!!
Good, cause I'm 88 and wear braces and my hair is spiked and dyed orange and purple and I wear chanclas to church.
And I like churches without ugly fences around them! Chow gotta go now!
Baker: I was saving this info. that I got from Texas regarding this person.
Ramon Leyva and "Syvia" does that ring a BELL!!! Ask the ASSISTANT PASTOR TO BRACAMONTES HIMSELF "RAMON LEYVA" and see if he recollects that it happened and if he ever confessed to Pastor Abel Torres when he was under his pastorship? Allow me to answer that question. NO!! All his family knew about it but kept it hush! hush! Grandma used to say "no one leaves this world without paying what they owe" and "your sins will find you out if you don't confess." This is the ASSISTANT PASTOR AT YOUR CHURCH but of course in the words of your pastor Bracamontes "when a person falls in sin I pray with them and the next service they can preach or sing as if it never happened." Get it? Not a year or two but the next service? If you want more names on the hit list let me know because I have a lot more to post and one might be you!!
Hey Croc,
i know Willie.
First you might need to clean up your church house before you even try to clean up the blogs.
I will let you know that my good friend is from your church. I know of many of the affairs that have gone on their two by your acting ministers and one by a lady from your church don't try to expose or you dirty laundry will start coming out to.
What is going to happen next my friend said that their was a member their named Letty Torres who also had an affair with her own relative is that one of the names on your list.
Gunter: This lady that you mention also is on the list. What is the name of the person who used to be Co-Pastor to Abel Torres? Was it by any chance Marcelino Leyva? Is he related to Ramon? There are also accusations against him too!
I give you and even better one the AA in a two year time span will stop working wether you people like it or not. The AA to see the end of the their reign and I won't be surprised if the pretend high mighty people that still have their churches are going to start seeing for sale signs soon as the GB has already began to do in your district and they are starting with the smaller districts because they fill no body will miss them anyways when they are gone. Like the way the closed down the two churches because they needed the money not only that they are going to be selling those churches and those poor members are no longer going to have a place to congregate. You little Baker and revelation have began to see the very beganning of the end.
If I were you I would be careful because your church maybe next.
I am sorry to say that but it is very true
It's really quiet.
Well good job and congratulations to Bro. Willie Mendoza for WINNING his law$uit against the AA. The AA doesn't want this fact publicized at all, of course.
I hear they had to dish out $1.5 million and Bro. Willie got some of the church properties back.
I wonder if the missing millions ever showed back up. They're gonna be needing those missing millions what with their insurance cancelling them cause of the many lawsuits. I hear there's a lot more lawsuits coming at em.
People really shouldn't open up pandora's boxes unless they're sure they themselves won't get bitten in the process.
I am told that "prophet Bocamontes" failed to predict that it was going to rain a few weeks back when they had the tent revival and their were a lot of people getting wet trying to move all the instruments back inside the church building. It really poured that day. That was really funny! Bocamontes must be a nickel and dime prophet. News is beginning to filter through that he is going about slandering people and lying. That is exactly what he did back where he came from! He lies to people so he can steal members from other churches! I hear he was saying a few weeks back in Sierra Blanca, Texas, a few weeks before the Midland church inauguration, that 9 families had left from Pastor Torres"s church> Not! He lied! He said that it was not true about what happened with the elections. He said Pacheco had received 400 votes for Secretary! It is amazing! He can't tell that it is going to rain when it is cloudy and he thinks he can tell how many votes Pacheco received without even being there! It is already a fact of law! It is already public information. When Pastor Torres testified about the votes, the GB never denied it. How could they? Brother Mendoza's attorney in Houston has the original 3 votes that Pacheco received for Secretary! Bocamontes can call the attorney so he can get his prophecy straight! Bocamontes also said before the inauguration that Brother Baldemar was not working with Brother Torres anymore! Everybody knows now that that was another lie! Brother Baldemar was there at the inauguration and he stayed over for Sunday as well. That proved Bocamontes to be a liar again! He also said at the Sierra Blanca Encounter that Brother Baldemar has lost all his members! Not! What a liar! Are prophets cronic liars? Now we hear he is talking big that he is saying that he is going to try to stop the festival that Brother Torres's church holds every year! He said he is going to buy the place so Brother Torres's church won't be able to hold the festivals there. What? Is he going to try to buy the whole city of Midland to stop Brother Torres? Are prophets supposed to be envious? Bocamontes should spend more time focusing on the problems that Ramon and Marcelino Leyva have. He knows what there problem is. As a matter of fact, I hear that Daniel Sanchez and Leonardo Garcia also know, but they refuse to do anything about it.
En uno de mis anteriores estcritos yo cite las palabras del Senor Jesus cuando dijo, el arbol por su fruto sera conocido, esas hermosas palabra seguiran resosonando firmes. El testimonio, con frequecia se nos predica, que hay que cuidar, por que habla mas fuerte que las palabras, palabras que muchas veces se dicen por enojo o por una mala experience que les haya acontecido sin embargo nada puede contra la verdad. Muchos de nuestros hermanos fueron tocados por el ministerio de nuestro hermano Guillermo Mendoza y el testimonio de el sigue siendo ejemplar, la guste a usted o no le guste, hay de aquellos que se atreven a difamar a un siervo de Dios. Les suplico hermanos que comentan aqui en este blog, tengamos cuidado y dejenselo a Dios. Para informacion de este siervo de Dios, busque en mendozaministries.com
Why name a ministry after yourself, kind of selfish, don’t you think?
mendozaministries.com
Jasonabel.com
Uplift Jesus not your selves. Siervo de Dios? Hmmm,
What is the reason in naming a ministry after yourself; anyone?
Are they afraid that Jesus will steal the spotlight?
Isn’t the main focus Jesus?
Really what is the main reason for naming a ministry after your name?
Isn’t the ministry God’s and not yours?
Para los mente limpia todas las cosas les son limpias y para los de mente sucia todas las cosas le son sucias, le servimos a Dios hacia una limpia conciencia. Dios te bendiga.
DE QUIEN ES EL MINISTERIO ENTONCES, DE DIOS?
Por favor no te agas dano, estoy seguro que hay una buena razon por que sele puso a la web site de esa manera la respuesta yo no la tengo puesto que yo no la hize, si gustas preguntale tu mismo para que heches fuera toda tu molestia, te repito dejaselo a Dios.
No Te enojes, solamente es una observación, y una buena analysis, ¿ee?
¿Pero si es Cristo-Céntrico porque añadir el nombre de Mendoza al ministerio?
My dear beloved bretheren is a shame what this GB has cause, the ugly effect of it all, so much hatered filter through the writings on this blog never the less also some good counceling and words of encourgement, may God help us get thru it all, and the end may his mercy not depart from us all, I pray God for wisdom over His church,whether AA or AWA or....etc.
. . . and the WWF, UFC and the WEC . . .
He dicho. God Bless.
Yeah Crocdundee, I know Willie Roman from New Mexico
He encouraged me and countless others to search for Truth!
Kinda like
http://www.tdjakes.com
To jakes be the glory - dot com.
we all love to be noticed.
They are out to make a name for them selves in the name of Jesus!
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