Attention: Apostolic General Board ( I know you read this) If you are disgusted at this blog, don’t be surprised. This is the type of Christian you have produced. You may have begun in the spirit, but you ended up in the flesh. I don’t care how many times you invoke the name of Jesus for your cause, your efforts are futile.
I hope you are proud at what you have created, a bunch of emotional misfits that could not exegete their way out of a paper bag. The only thing you have going for you are the remaining immigrants that could not think for themselves. This also will end. The influx of immigrants that you used to support your monetary gain has decreased. All you are is an organization without life, doctrine and truth.
You should have been more careful. You should have focused more on Christ, than your Assembly. Don’t try using Jesus for your cause now. We have seen that scheme and are aware of its motives.
You have become like Judas and become only aware of the “places” that Christ went but were unfamiliar with His “person”. You may have used the term “ Apostolic” but you were distant from its genuine message.
Don’t be surprised General Board.
You are reaping what you have sown.
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that's a funny statement "stole members" i think everyone has a right to congregate in a church of their choosing, kind of what the AWA did. they did not like it, so they left and in this case formed a total "new organization", which was being denied there for a while. The AWA church in Midland did the same thing, so why don't u write something negative about that. AWA is guilty of the same thing, so i suggest u find something u guys are not guilty of before u write a negative comment. More power to u, no matter what church u attend, as long as the gospel is being preached as it should.
i thought u guys were so over the AA!!!???
don't become a stalker! lol
There is no way one can steal sheep, the sheep belong to God period!
oh, and i believe it is Baracamontes. and the Midland church is STILL beautiful. the building does not make up the church, the body does. U should ask your pastor, he will agree with me.
"I've just recently heard some rather questionable things about Bracamontes"
go ahead, spit out the venom, that is how we Texans "milk" the rattlesnakes. once the venom is out, the rattlesnake is really a harmless biter.
apos call it sheep stealing because of their skewed mentality. They have given up their self-will to the so-called man of God, ownership of one-self belongs to the pastor.
That's why apos use the word "stealing members" because in their heads, members are owned by pastors.
What a sad way to live.
one more thing,
that's why you apos keep getting screwed like sheep because you follow blindly. and while you have your blindfold on, your leadership is screwing you from behind. and you're hoping this is pleasing God. well it's not, it's just pleasing your leaders apetites for lust, money, and power.
oh how i wish you would all remove the blindfold. But you won't because you're afriad of what you'll see.
What a blind generation you are. I'm so sorry.
Good one! "Baraca"montes? That's what the compound looks like.
But you've got the "they didn't like it and left" WRONG. They were removed because the gb didn't like it that their election fraud was discovered.
by the way "stealing members" was said by Caminando Voy- so u are now going to have to refer either to AWA call themselves.... and AA call themselves....
not apos, cause AWA members will deny being in the same boat as AA members
[boat= JESUS]
The Revelation,
there is no difference between AWA and Apo Assembly. It's like what KFC did, they went from kentucky fried chicken to kentucky grilled chicken. It taste a bit different but it's still fast food and it's gonna kill you if you have too much of it.
sorry awa but it's the truth.
according to Skotty's videos, they left, they were removed from Pastorship, but left by their own will.
pictures exist of AWA forming in a AA building(Midland Church-Baldemar, Solomon, Torres, Zuniga) what did they call it then Omega Church, i think. just look at the pics on the youth myspace for ATorres youth, i think that is where i saw them.
kind of like pirates trying to take over a ship, or treason and try that with the US gov see where it gets u!
am i right?
mero mero has a point, that is why Jesus should be your focal point and not your organization.
the apostle Paul wrote on this matter. so call themselves of ... other of .... etc, u know the verse dont act like u dont know it.
by the way, what is wrong with putting a perimeter fence around your property.
if i have a house, i want a fence to denote my property line
u know the neighbors from the back, took over some of the property that belongs to the Midland church, because there was no perimeter fence of some sort.
so how are the Mason Brothers doing? convert them to u and not u to them..
i see ur building is about 3-4ft apart.
no room for a fence..lol
That was a good one about the KFC chicken fried or grilled.
Regarding the sheep, most are tried of getting sheared or fleeced, and treated like crap. So most are just getting the flock out!
What i hear coming out of the IDCN Convention:
1. IDCN will pay $15k to use the Fontana (FOT) Facilities for a Day and a Half.
2. The General Board (AA) is again pushing for major money to be contributed to the General Office.
3. High Possibility of New Mortgages to buildings that are paid off....
I will update as i hear....
http://idcnonline.com/index.html
Pastor/Minister/Keeper of the Word
Get your facts straight! Omega church was the name of the sermon.
I remember who you are now. You're "el venenoso". That's why you're familiar with snakes.
And the church properties have been there for about 50 years and there was never any need to UGLY it up with such an horrendous looking aluminum fence. Looks like no one with good taste is left over there. Who's idiot idea was it anyway?
$15,000 for the use of Fontana.
That means he only needs $65,000 to make the mortage payment this month.
Wonder who's pockets that is coming out off!
You know what I heard caminado voy and please let me know I have friends still in the AA and out in AWA.
I hear that brother Torres church is one of the most well talk about churches in the community now that all this has happened.
To top it off I hear a lot of people from with in that town even talk about how grateful that you all are out of the AA.
The reason I say that is because from the way I hear it the AA. People who stayed were some of the most religious and biggest hypo crities. I hear many of them are just full of drama.
Well you know what Cholo sanchez said you all were one of many influential churches and that is why he could not get rid of you that easily and now it seems that you are truly now one of the most influential churches in that community lol.
What is the name of the other church hahaha I do not even remember. lol
Keep up the Good work caminado voy.
GOd Bless you all.
Caminando_voy do not even worry about those lost in sinnerville saints.
They are so lost they do not even have a message from God because they are that far away from Him.
Remember When God called the Phrasies you hord of vipers well think about it those in the AA do not have any spiritual back bone they look forward to stepping on each and back bitting eachother.
That is not the fruit of the spirit.
Relax God is taking you all to new hieghts and making your church a much better because just like my friend lehan. I have heard that your church caminando has become one of the most influential churches. People in and out of AA the UNITED PENECOSTALS, ASSEMBLIES OF GOD I HEAR THAT ALL these churches are talkiing very well about you all.
So do not sweat the old church or those people. They are just a hord of vipors God has told you all to move on. So do it Move and enjoy the ride to where God is taking you all.
The Lord is truly with you guys let all the pegans talk about you because that is what the Devil is good and doing trying to Destroy you and kill you and still your blessing.
This people on hear are clearly trying to steal away your joy so they are operatiing in the spirit of the Devil because the Spirit of God lifts up and edifies they do not edify anyone but their own pleasures. The proof is in the pudding and that is one pudding I do not want to taste.
ahhh corona I'm sorry you're so bitter. You sound like a product of the general board. Notice how everyone who defends the aa is always using profanity cause they don't have anything to say. Sorry buddy. Do you know if Pacheco has any cars for sell?
Corona?
Is that not where Edward Pacheco is from?
Hmmmm I wonder?
Well people who work in the aa offices have said that the gb members do a bit of cursing themselves. So its not surprising that their defenders would do the same.
Corona, you really should try not to curse in the same sentence in which you mention "God". That's rather blasphemous, don't you think. Cheers!
Caminando Voy and theyareinforit:
I really appreciate Bro. Torres' documentary. I was wondering if therareinforit can create a documentary about Prado endeavors with the church in Albuquerque.
I bet it would go something like this:
"On such and such a date, Victor Prado inherited pastorship of a paid off church building in Albuquerque. During his time as Pastor, he managed to sell the church building. He made an attempt to build a newer building, but due to his incompetency he was not able to get the job done. The pressure became so great that President Sanchez and Vice President Valverde decided, to relocate him and placed Prado's Right hand imcompetent man (That Prado fired as secretary) Floyd Duron over the church. Because Pastor Floyd Duron could not handle the pressure, he resigns. After resigning he becomes bitter against Pastor Sam Valverde and Floyd Duron blogs bitterly with the anonymous name theyareinforit."
LOL,
Word of advice theyareinforit / Floyd Duron, Pastor Sam Valverde is aware that all your friends left the Church when you resigned. Pastor Sam does acknowledge that you and him go way back because of your years together working at the national level.
Caminando_voy You guys should be happy that you all are out of that mess.
They are nothing but scum on the bottom of sess pool.
Their is no point to argue with people who have no foundation and don't believe in God.
The word of God says that if you are unable to love your brother whom you can see how much can you claim to love God whom you can not see.
So see caminando_voy everything the AA does is against the Bible they are one of the most corrupt systems. The word of God also says in everything we do we do it as unto God. So If I condem you to hell and God died for you then really I am condeming God because God loved you that much that he was willing to die for you so if he died for you and is covering you then everything I do for and against you I really do it to God.
So then if I do so how can I say I love God if I do not love God then I must not believe in God. So see caminando_voy corona hates you so him he hates you and condems you he condems God because everything we do we do it as unto God.
So his fowl mouth and is brave attitude is not going to heaven he is going to...can we all say because to Believe in God you also show love to God but since he can not love you and he can see you we can most certainly say he does not love God.
So corona repent and love your brothers. If you don't the road you are traveling on is leading you to hell but God loves you that much that he wants you to get on track.
You do not have to say anything about hell to condem someone to hell.
It is clear in you actions that you have not spiritual fruits. Someone who is so bitter does not have to say anything about hell to condem someone to hell.
So see corona. When someone is so bitter and hateful which you truly are.
You can tell right off that bat that they have no love for God because no matter how bad the situation is.
You would try to make the best of it but all you are doing is trying to sow discord between a wound that is already massive.
So it is hard for me to say that you have any spiritual traits in you at all.
If someone is trying to speak the real truth they will do it in a gentle way you certainly do not do it in that form.
So you are a very hateful and bitter person you really need God.
God wants you to get on track you do not have to listen to what we say you should however listen to what God says.
The AA is in a mess they can not even get loans because they are bankrupt.
So the AA is dying like it or not.
The Apostolic Assembly is so lost and blind then they are leading the blind and that is why there are so many screws ups in the AA.
They teach no foundation call me what ever you like. It does not bother me one bit but you need to get you life on track long before you start judging people such as caminando_voy.
You are so lost in your bitterness that you do not even see clearly.
Mr.Corona, it seems as though you have much to say, but if you want people to take you serious then you must change your approach.
I'll hold a conversation with you if you drop the "curse words."
I was reading the things you said, and I can tell you've been raised in the AA. It must hurt to read and see what is happening in the AA, but I can assure you that it didn't happen over night.
Have MERCY. Its not easy to just get over it! As you put it.
Some of these people invested their lives to the AA, and came up short.
I now ask you, put yourself in their shoes. What if that was you and your loved ones?
I remember when I was in the AA, I was my Pastors "golden boy."
I was quik to cut people off. No mercy at all.
Then some things happened, and I questioned them. The table was turned. So I walked away, I've lost friends, family, contacts.
I submitted myself and family to an awesome Pastor, my hurt is now gone. But in the process, I learned MERCY!
I now pastor a small church, and I have young men who seek ministry, and when they ask why I don't just kick people out? I tell them the story about A young minister who didn't know MERCY.
God didn't discard me or you, so why should we just discard Caminando voy?
I ask you to ponder on your words, and ask God if they are pleasing Him?
you maybe right, but would you be so merciful if they were talking about your Father?
with that said your words did convict me so i'll not post anymore. and i apologize for the disrespect. one thing i will say is those brothers with the exception of bro avila are all guilty of the things they accuse the mesa. everyone of them! i will not post anymore so gunter,caminando voy and whoever else i offended, i apologize.
Revelation don't tell me your back again! Got something to share with you and if you'd like why don't you ask the man himself "Bracamontes."
He was visiting Houston for a revival a couple of months ago, do you remember that? Well, the guy who attended to him such as taking him to the hotel and out to eat asked him "how's it going for you in Midland?" Guess what he said?
Quote; I am so disappointed those members there are so "old fashion, hardheaded and stuck to the old days and they don't want to change."
Wow!! And he just got there and he's already disappointed! How bad can it be? Makes me wonder!
Greek - very wise words. Sounds like what you have experienced has made a better person out of you and that is what we all should strive for, myself included.
It is true that we the congregations who chose to support our pastors who were so wrongly ousted by the general board (for a WRONG THAT THEY COMMITTED) have also suffered greatly. We left with our head held high because we were not about to abandon our wonderful pastors who have watched over us. We believe in our pastor here in Midland and we know that he has done no wrong. He was done a great injustice and we must trust in God that He will deal with this in his own way.
May God continue blessing Pastor Torres and his congregation.
And although we left willingly it still hurts because we did lose much. We lost our church building which so many of us grew up in, were baptized in and were married in. We also labored, donated to and loved our church. So yes sometimes it is too much to take and we lash out at those who have destroyed so much and those who were traitors to our pastor. May God have mercy on them.
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oh, and i believe it is Baracamontes. and the Midland church is STILL beautiful. the building does not make up the church, the body does. U should ask your pastor, he will agree with me.
Tell me how can you have the audacity to boast as if you all had paid the price. If I was you dear and if you had any fear of God in you I would thank this family for the vision they had to build these churches for you all to have a place of worship. Why not encourage your pastor to do the same. He is also benefiting from Pastor Abel Torres vision too!
You know why Bracamontes put up that fence? There are some funny things going on over there in that church. I heard from a very reliable source a that a 12 year old girl from that church turned up pregnant! 12 years old! Is there any truth to this? Some one from out confirm this.
Trophyman: Yes my sources also tell me a 12 yr. old got pregnant by who knows who! I heard he keeps those members from 5:00 am until 4:00 pm on Sunday's and they're not allow to go out and eat. Everyone must eat with him (pastor) there in the fellowship hall. Doesn't that sound weird and scary to you? I just hope someday we won't wake up some morning and watch CNN Headlines " An Apostolic Assembly church in Midland, Texas and pastor had too much Kool-aid to drink."
Mr. or Mrs. Blogmaster:
You are making it "more and more difficult to enter the current blogs. That is why you have "less and less".
Why don't you "all" stop lying about yourself "self-righteous-"mess" and get down to reality.
STOP BEING IN DENIAL!!!!
We will never "solve" the problem with the Apostolic Assembly, La Iglesia de Mexico and the AWA and what ever you may call yourself.
The WHOLE AND ENTIRE ISSUE IS THE DISCREPTANCIES" OF "SELF".
Lets face it, YOU are "back stabbers" liars, self righteous, and full of, MEXICAN..... insecurities and hatred.
YOU are from a breed of losers, wanna be "educated" MEXICANS. AND YOU CERTAINLY ARE NOT.
No matter where we go in the AA and the AWA and the Iglesia we find the same "demons" of hatred, selfrighteness and 'INSECURTIES' BIG TIME.
PLAYING CHURCH TO GET "MEGA BUCKS AND "BE IN TOTAL CONTROL."
THE WHOLE GAME IS ABOUT 'CONTROL', LIES, WANNA BIG LEADERS WITH NOTHING OF GOD IN YOU.
It scares me to actually see men and women that profess to be "repented" and exposed, who still continue to 'GIVE ALASOS' of self power.
It reminds me of the letter from John in the Bible. III John 1:
the entire chapter.
Greetings to Gaius:
The Elder,
"I wrote to the church, but "Diotrephes," who 'LOVES TO HAVE THE PREEMINENCE AMOUNG YOU, DOES NOT RECEIVE US.
THEREFORE, IF I COME, I WILL CALL TO MIND HIS DEEDS WHICH HE DOES, "PRATING" AGAINST US WITH MALICIOUS WORDS.
And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and "And "FORBIDS" THOSE who wish to, putting "THEM OUT OF THE CHURCH!"
Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but HE WHO DOES EVIL HAS NOT SEEN GOD.
This is exactly what all these groups do. Self righteous, commiting sins that they think people do not know.
But having people in THEIR GENERAL BOARD, BLACK BALL, KILL, DESTROY AND DEFAME THOSE THAT "TELL THE TRUTH".
It is well known that Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco and especially D. Sanchez, calls every Bishop and has many people "black balled" and they are the 'ONES THAT ARE FILTHY SINERS.
THIS IS WHY THEY WILL NEVER LEARN, THAT THAT "WHAT YOU SAY AND DO TO THE BRETHREN, BLACKBALLING THEM, AND HAVING PERSONS IN THEIR CHURCHES, "CONTROL" THE WHOLE PROGRAM ISSUE, WILL BE REPREMENDED FROM GOD AND WILL BE DESTROYED.
ONE CHANCE IS ENOUGH...IF THERE IS NO REPENTENCE AND HUMBLENESS.
GOD WILL SPIT YOU "OUT FROM HIS MOUTH!!!
YOU THAT THOUGHT THAT "WAS FIRM" AND UNMOVABLE" IS "OUT AND WILL BE OUT...
SO YOU BETTER CHANGE, BEFORE GOD MAKES YOU DISSAPPEAR.
BUT MAYBE YOU'D RATHER WE "DISAPPERED" THAN NOT IN CONTROL.
HUH?????
THAT'S THE WHOLE AND ENTIRE ISSUE.
JEALOUSY, HATRED, SELFRIGHTEOUSNESS AND "CONTROL" AND OF COURSE "MONEY".
NO MATTERS WHO SUFFERS...JUST GIVE AND GIVE SO MORE.MONEY!!!MONEY!!!
BOTTOM LINE ...YOU WILL ALL BE IN HELL TOGETHER. THAT WILL BE "YOUR WELL DESERVED "REUNION".
'LA PURA VERDAD es que todos los que estan inbulucrados en La Asamblea Apostolica, AWA y la Iglesia de Mexico no pueden ver que estas y las demas que practican, los pecados de
ODIO, CONTROL, MUNIPULATION Y EL AMOR AL "MANDATO" Y EL AMOR AL DINERO TENDRAN UNA GRANDE SORPRESA DE TODOS "REUNIERSE EN EL INFIERNO".
Y TENER CONTROL Y DAR "BOLA NEGRA A SUS HERMANOS."
HAY muchos Pastores, Obispos que reciven "ordenes 'DIRECTA MENTE tan de Sanchez, Valverde de "dar Bola negra" a sus priopos hermanos.
Cuando la palabra de Dios dice,
"Con esto conoceries que son mis discipulos que os "amais" los unos a otros.
Muchas Pastores tienen "concuvinas" que controlan sus iglesias. Que al fin "corren" a miembros de sus iglesias.
Y estos Pastores son "total mente" "vendidos"con esas "concuvinas" que no les importa que sus iglesias no "aumente en almas y miembros."
Pero son ignorantes, porque la "voz" corre y muchos saldran de esas Iglesias.
Me recuerda la sagrada escritura en el libro III de Juan capitulo 1 todo el capitulo.
III JUAN 1:1
AL anciano al muy amado Gaio, al cual yo amo en verdad.
Amado, yo deseo que tu seas prosperado en todas cosas, y que tengas salud, ASI COMO TU "ALMA" ESTA EN PROSPERIDAD.
3-CIERTAMENTE QUE ME GOCE MUCHO CUANDO vinieron los hermanos y dieron 'TESTIMONIO" de tu verdad, asi como tu andas en 'LA VERDAD'
4-No tengo yo mayor gozo que este, Al oir que mis hijos andan en la verdad.
9-YO HE ESCRITO A LA IGLESIA;
MAS "DIOTREFES,"
QUE AMA TENER EL "CONTROL" ENTRE ELLOS NO NOS RECIBE.
10-Por esta causa, si yo vieniere recordare las obras que hace "parlando" con palabras 'MALICIOSAS CONTRA NOSOTROS;
Y NO CONTENTO CON ESTAS COSAS, NO RECIBE A LOS HERMANOS, Y PROHIBE A LOS QUE LOS QUIEREN RECIBIR Y LOS ECHA, DE
'LA IGLESIA'!!!!.
12-TODOS DAN TESTIMONIO DE DEMETRIO, Y AUN LA MISMA VERDAD, Y TAMBIEN NOSOTROS DAMOS TESIMONIO Y VOSOTROS HABEIS CONOCIDO QUE NUESTRO TESTIMONIO ES VERDADERO.
Muchos Pastores, Obispos nos han dicho que Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco,M, Prado y Aguilar les llaman que no reciban a "ciertos" hermanos., porque a esos hermanos la Mesa directiva les tienen "competencia" ya sea que predican mejor o que saben mucho de los de la Mesa Directiva, de sus maldades...
Como muchos de ustedes bien saben.
Y le dan a esos hermanos "bola negra"
y los mal informan y no los reciven, porque la Mesa Directiva sabe, que esos hermanos saben muchos de los "pecados" ocultos de Sanchez, Valverde y Pacheco, Prado y Ma, y de Abel Aguirlar pecados que inculca sobre su misma Madre Nena y de su hija Aguirre.
Pero si no se proponen a "amar" a sus hermanos y hermanas en Cristo. tendran el mismo pago de el 'MISMO INFIERNO.
LA VERDAD QUE TODOS ESTAN CORTADOS CON LA MISMA "TIJERA".
Sigan ustedes a ESOS "LOBOS RAPASES" Y RECUERDE QUE "SOLO" HAY UN INFIERNO.
ESTOS INDIVIDOS NO ESTAN SALVANDO ALMAS, ESTAN MANDADOLAS A "FUERA" DE LA IGLESIA....
COMO PUEDE USTED INVITAR A ALMAS A LA IGLESIA?
SI EL PASTOR ESTA COMO UN "LOCO" SALTANDO SIN NADA DE RESPECTO A LA OBRA DE DIOS.
NO TIENE MADUREZ NI RESPECTO.
TODOS ESTAN IGUALES...
INFANTILES..DE MENTE LOCA.
SIN AMOR, NI TEMOR A DIOS..
SOLO CON SU "dios" de que es el DINERO....Y MAS Y MAS DINERO....
ORE A DIOS MAS Y MAS QUE DIOS LOS HUMILLE Y LOS SALVE....
LO TRISTE ES QUE SUS HIJOS TENDRAN QUE PAGAR...LA "BOLA NEGRA" EN POCOS ANOS...QUE LOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA LE HAN DADO A MUCHOS HERMANOS...
AL IR LOS NOMBRES, SANCHEZ, VALVERDER, PACHECHO, MA, AGUILAR, PRADO, MARTIN DEL CAMPO.
LOS HERMANOS "CORRERAN":
PORQUE NUNCA EN LA HISTORIA DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA. NUNCA HA HABIDO INDIVIDOS...
"CRUELES, LLENOS DE OIDIO Y DE AMOR AL DINERO...
QUE MATAN A LOS HERMANOS. DE LA MANDERA DE ESTOS MAFIOSOS.
SI HABIDO...PERO ESTOS SON LOS PERORES...PERROS SALVAJES. COMO DICE LA PALABRA DE DIOS.
Thinking How about you: Sister, you sound very,very bitter. How about taking it up with the Lord that he will free you from all hate, bitterness,resentment and etc. It seems the control was not giving to you to run the church according to your selfish ways. Go to God and he will give you the peace you need and also try to apply the bible to yourself too! It will make a big difference. The problem is not the church you congregate in it is you!
God bless!
re: apoinfo request
"quote"
To all bloggers and blogmaster!
With all the bloggers on this website can someone give us the names of all those pastor's who have openned up churches in the entire U.S. and are no longer associated with the AA. I mean the names of everyone...including those that aren't a part of the AWA.
A list of pastor's would truly help many who want to leave the Assembly but don't know where to turn.
Also...can the blogmaster put the older picture of the AA board in zoot suits. It was from a while back...PLEASE MAKE IT PART OF THE FRONT PICTURES ALONG WITH THE ABSOLUT PICTURE! These AA board members are real clowns and need to be exposed for what they are!!!
here u go:
http://kingdomconnectioncenter.com/
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT:
You are absolutely right. Iam extremely bitter and angry.
The church I congregate in is one I pastor, but my congregation does not want to leave the AA.
PARTIES, BANQUETS, CONVENTIONS, RETREATS, WENT TO ATTEND SAM VALVERDE'S 25 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF PASTORING, HELD LAST WEEK IN FOL.
These people are "addicted" to socializing. That is what its all about party, party and more party.
Certainly I will pray and have been praying for a "RENEWING" of our minds.
But what I wrote previously does and will exist as long as people are so "Uneducated and insecure."
If Iam bitter. the Apostle John 2,000 years ago was also "very angry at the going on with what
the church memember Diotrefes was doing and 'GETTING AWAY' WITH.
EVEN KNOWING THAT ANOTHER LETTER SENT FROM THE APOSTOLE JOHN WAS DESTROYED BY "DIOTREFES".
WHO will know, if "DIOTREFES" did not repent, HE will have the same reunion with those that are doing the same things in the church.
Utilizing the opportune, of violating "the "rights" of the brethren that attend these churches., that these "controllers" are "utilizing, VICTIMIZING AND DESTROYING the churches and their Pastors and Bishops and membership for their "ego centrisium" evils.
Thank you for enlightening my comments. I recognize you are right. But I do not lie...I tell the truth...and sometimes it disaccomdates., the "reader", who knows all I wrote is the truth, of these "lobos" behavior and exploiatation of churches and its members.
Where is the concern of saving souls? All that is being done is "stealing" members from other churches and Sanchez, Valverde did from all the surrounding churches.
That is is not "CHURCH GROWTH" thats "STEALING."
HUH? SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECHO, AGUILAR.
I love you too. Thanks.
TO DOES IT MATTER:
This too will pass.
There is an old story that goes like this.
This man was "informing" his employer that he could no longer work under the supervision of the company's supervisior.
So this man was giving his resignation.
The older well experienced employer told the man that was resigning.
"Look Bill, you leave this job because of "Carter" but remember wherever you go 'THERE WILL YOU FIND A CARTER"..
WHERE EVER YOU GO YOU WILL FIND, SANCHEZ,VALVERDE, PACHECO, MA., PRADO AND MARTIN.
THOSE EVIL SPIRIT GET INTO MEN THAT LACK PRAYER AND SANTIFICATION.
SO ITS "THE SAME OLD, THE SAME OLD."
ONLY THE LORD CAN REBUKE THEM AND DISSAPPEAR THEM, OUT OF THEIR "STOLEN REIGN".
SO PRAY AND HAVE THEM "REMOVED" BY THE LORD JESUS.
THE LORD PROMISE.,,"IF YOU PRAY AND BELIEVE YOU CAN TELL THIS MOUNTAIN "BE THOU REMOVED" AND IT SHALL BE REMOVED.
STAY AND "FIGHT" FOR YOUR CHURCH, GOD'S CHURCH.
REMOVE THE "FRAUD" CALIFICADORA IN 2010.
BE THOU BOLD AND VALIANT!!
Thinking How about you: Please don't take me wrong I agree with you regarding pastors that are lazy and don't work to win souls! It's easier for them to draw them out of other congregations than to go out and win souls.
Example: I hear Bracamontes in the city of Midland, Texas where they outsted Pastor Abel Torres is well experience in stealing other members from other congregations. They tell me the church he pastors is growing but of course with members from other churches. Doesn't he make it seem so easy?
Hey I got this message from Gunter anyone know how to answer because I was unable to explain.
"Hey I heard FOT was having there District convention. I wanted to check it out because I am out of town on business.
I went to their website clicked the link because they said the Lord had blessed them with live stream.
I went to check it out clicked the link and it redirected me to a church website in little Rock Arknsas are they having their convention there.
If you could please let me know.
So I can click on the righ link that will direct me to the service.
Thanks
Gunter"
Just finished watching little Eddie Pachueco's sermon and asks in the beginning, why are the younger generations leaving the assembly? Over in thr intrior dist.,I WONDER WHY? ANYBODY KNOW WHY? LOL
Lehan
when you are at the little rock site, look on the left side of the screen towards the middle and click
"cultos en vivo" thats where i just finished watching little eddie. hope this helps.
Sanchez, Aguilar, Valverde, Pacheco:
A 12 year old girl was impregnated in you new pastor's church in Midland, what will you do about this lawsuit? It's coming your way! I sure hope it isn't those rebeldes from Andrews that are now congregating there. I hear that bishop Leonardo asked Bracamontes why do you want them? They have been a problem everywhere they've been. First El Paso, then Andrews, now they will give you problems too, is that worth a keyboard player? Isn't this funny coming from a bishop? Of course Bracamontes told bishop that he has dealt with this kind of people before and he will keep them in there place! HUH! We will see!
Whats happening to these churches that take members from different churches is that they are getting fat, {estan engordando}thats not true growth. its good to have some members there to start with, growth should be with new souls.
pastor tenga cuidado de su congregacion que hay viene Bracamontes fiero como un leon,
queriendo arrebatarle a todas sus ovejas de su congregacion.
aqui ya me despido con un triste suspiro.
sabiendo que hay gente sin honra y sin honor.
pastor tenga cuidado de su congregacion.
que llego Bracamontes aca en esta region.
TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT:
YEA, YEA!!!
YOU ARE SO RIGHT...
These "lobos" steal the members from other churches and call it "CHURCH GROWTH".
The book "La Serpiente y la Paloma, by Manuelito Gaxiola.
tells us on "the only church Growth the AA AND LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO HAS BEEN in "stealing" other members from other AA and La Iglesia's congretions.
If churches "split" then Bishops can "report" at the conventions, on "New obras"...why not...They were stolen, from other Pastors.
Little Eddie
Asking Why is the "new generation: of Apostolics leaving the AA?
He must be totally insane?
many many left way back when Pacheco scammed the brethren on 'THEIR HARD MONIES" ON THE CAR'S SCAMS.
AND now with his cousin Sammy and Pacheco and the "screamer Aguilar"
"PLAGIARIZED" UNCRUPOUSLY, UNCTUOUS, full of unction in speech and unholy manner, so "called" sermons.
But of course they receive the alluation of the "insincere" wanna be entertained audiences, so they keep giving it to us. After all they will be greeted as the "big heroes"
But ask those that were up there in "control" just a few years ago and are now in recluse, how it feels to be abondoned?
These honorables. will soon be abondoned too, because the "new ones" in control as the "honorables" will not want to have them around, because the ones in control now, consider the
"ousted ones A COMPLETE THREAT"
THAT IS WHY PROBABLY Sanchez will be "fraudelently be Vice-President, and Valverde president, and the "MUSICAL CHAIRS WILL BE CIRCULATED FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
No one can "speak out" or that Pastor or person will be "blacked balled and KICKED OUT.
LIKE BISHOP ABEL TORRES!
Pacheco's "poor incipid" wife is never seen or heard off. Clams up like the wife of D. Jauhall years ago. And now Eva, with no personal I.D. all are the same.
Let the "man show off" "they look like Ma Moises.
full of hatred, but 'THE SAME OLD LEGALIST ATTIRE, CREATED BY THEMSELVES. HOLIER THAN THOU
SUCH HIPROCRATES!
\
And Pacheco has the audacious, insolence to ask "Why"?
Because you Pacheco and Your
T.J. cholo friends are there!
That's why?
Oh but Sanchez and his croonies, Valverde and Aguilar were at the recent held funeral in Union City at the "Florers Azulers" locale.
ALL THE "FLORERS AZULERS" HAD A HEY DAY REUNION, EVEN THE ONE FROM LAKE CHARLES.
Who "peddles" his wife, all over the place, because he has nothing to offer.
But did Sanchez, Valverde and Aguilar who all live in the same area, attend the recent funeral services of two Pastors that recently went to be with the Lord, here in California churches?
No, these three "phonies" did not attend. Because these Pastors that recently went to live with the Lord were too decent for the "honorables".
"Honorables" now in the GB never had anything of spiritual guidance from the Lord. Nor a "true rapport conviction" of repentence.
They are just "PLAYING" CHURCH, for the $10,000.00 + their church salaries they receive monthly!!!
BUT SO WHAT? YOU KEEP SENDING MONIES TO THEM.
AND "ALLOWING" YOUR CHURCHES TO BE "REFINANCED". HOW DARE YOU, COWARDS!
You turn your back on God's work, and continue to SEND MONIES TO THOSE "ASALARADIOS".
BUT YOU CONTINUE TO RUN TO THEIR "CALL"..
THERE SHOULD NOT BE "ONE PERSON" AT THIS CONVENTION IN FOUNTAIN OF LIES. WITH WHAT VALVERDE AND PACHECO HAVE DONE TO THE AA!
IMAGINE! HOW THE DISTRICT HAS SHRUNK! TO HOLD A CONVENTION AT THE "GYM OF SAMMY LOCALE"
BECAUSE.YOU ALL HONORABLES "KILLED THE AA".
WITH YOUR THIRST AND "SLAVATING" FOR MONIES. THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU. IT BELONGS TO GOD'S SAINTS.
BUT "THEY BETTER" SEND OR YOU WILL SEND THE DOGS OF YOURSELVES, AND KILL THESE PASTORS.
SOME DAY YOU TOO HONORABLES WILL GET YOUR DAY TO PAY AND BIG TIME.
YOU JUST "THINK OF "SELF" EGO AND
YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS.
You honorables, have no love for the Brethren, only stabbers and black ballers.
"EASY MONIES" HUH THAT'S YOUR SPIRITUALITY AND YOUR RELIGION.
I cannot believe that the "light" has not been turned on in "our heads" not to call our services to the Lord ..."cultos"..
No wonder they call the AA and La iglesia de Mx., "cults"..
We should call these "Worship Services".
"or servicios de adoration.
Que lastima que no se le ha "prendido' la luz a alguien, y no nombrar, los servicios de Adoracion a Dios "CULTOS"
en lugar de "cultos"., que deriba de la palabra "culto" o secta" que indica "control" etc.
NOS FALTA TANTO QUE APRENDER!!
DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS.
Dios les bendiga. Sigan orando, Dios movera estos Absolutos Montes.
"siga cantando" "Y estos MONTES SE MOVERARAN! EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO!
"Busque a mi enemigo y no lo encontre, fue contorado como la hierba!
Amen.
Bloggers
If you read the book by Rebecca Brown M.D. "He set the captive Free" You will be informed that part of the many methods that people that do not fear the Lord practice "sorcery", use eggs, and other vicious things as projects to excercise those "rituals".,
\And another is placing the photos of people who are being "worked" on for evil, their photos are "placed inside a bottle".
Please remove the pictures of the G.B. as we know that you do not intent to do them that "type" of harm.
The Bible states in Isaias 54"17.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper".
But these individuals have done alot of wrong to the Church., and we still do not think they should be placed in this position!!!
Please remove this picture.
The Bible states "Mine is the vengengous saith the Lord".
Leave it to the Lord.
Regardless., it is not up to anyone to do this type of harm.
Because these men are not "prayer" filled.
The Blood of Jesus protect us.!
Thank you.
God bless you.
REPORTING: The convention in FOT was okay. Nothing to brag about. When Pacheco preached and mention that we were losing the youth, I thought "duuhh!! where have you been?" These incompetent GB members have been too busy worrying about their selfish needs and have forgotten there is a church that's needing leadership with men with integrity who fear God and compassionate who love the work of the Lord and NOT themselves. Oh! by the way Sam thanks for letting us use your facility for our convention. I hope the $15,000.00 you charged us will come in handy for your next payment on the church. The plan that Raquel mention you were working on really worked. Why not hold all district conventions there at FOT from now on and pretty soon you'll have it all paid off!
LOL LA SD District Conventions in Fontucky!! LMAO!! Ghettofabulous..
If a hotel or the Raincross of RVSD charges the interior dist. no less than 40K 4 convention, then fontana only charging them 15k, sounds like a smart move on both ends.
Arizona-Press Club and Victor:
The people that attend anything
that Sam and Raquel Scam are the "stupid ones".
Why they, SAM AND RAQUEL, can even now have the General Elections, the fradulent election coming up in 2010 at the Fountain of Lies Gym. AND CHARGE PLENTY OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
With the "Exodus" of the Aposotlic Assembly memebership decreasing to other Organizations., rushing and
escaping from the "Forever building funds" raisers, and the Florazul from La Santa Leona and La Georgina, pervertly "affixed"
from the last two generations scams.
The younger generations have said. "Enough from these scammers., we'll go and "socialize and "party" as the "Honorables: and the Dorkas do, somewhere else!!!
So with the "unfortunate" exodus and deminishing attendance to the conventions.
The General conventions are now being "planned" by Sam and Raquel be held at Fountain of Lies., and that is why Raquel is trying to "scheme" up more scams to "collect" monies to build the "Fountain of Lies Hotel over the San Andreas earth quake
fault where they have their "DOMAIN." FOT!
Who in the world does Sam think he is, to "charge" a District to hold a convention?
He does not "own" the Fot Gym!
Or does he? Is his "relationship" and "close" relationship with Joel Montes from way up Houston way,
rubbing off on Sam, to have the FOL property in Sam and Raquel's and their heirs names.
How come 'THEY CAN, THE MONTES AND THE VALVERDES AND NOT THE REST OF THE PASTORS???
WHY ARE YOU PASTORS STILL IN "SERVITUDE" GOD HAS "SET YOU FREE"?
OR NOT?
DON'T BE FOOLED WITH THESE "SCAMMERS".
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF YOU!
THE ONES THAT EXPLOIT YOUR CONGREGATIONS...
NO WONDER "THEY" ARE ESCAPING!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
SAM YOU AND RAQUEL HAVE NO "CLASS" NOR ANY FEAR OF GOD. TO EXPLOIT THE INTERIOR DISTRICT IN THIS MANNER.
BUT THEN YOUR BISHOP LUGO., BETTER OF ELSE!!! POOR MAN!
But no ones cares? They say, "It does not involve me, so what?"
yes, it does involve all of us.
what you are all "immuded" not sensitive to God's word.
Sanchez does not care not Pa, nor Ma., They get $10,000.00 per month.
So what? YOU ALL keep sending money and money and money or Else?
OUT!
To Thinking How About you?
first of all...
The link I posted
kingdomconnectioncenter.com
is for the Church Pastor Juan Campos is pastoring per the request of Apoinfo which was requesting info of churches outside of the AA.
Secondly...
if you know just a little of Pastor Juan Campos there's no way he would permit the spirit of Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco or Aguilar ever find its way the church as you stated. For Pastor Juan Campos it has never been about the church government power/Politics but it has always been about the Kingdom.
Malverde looks sick. I hope he meets his maker sooner than later.
I don't care what all you bloggers say.
We are going out of the country for some vacation soon!
Sounds like you all are going for an extended vacation.
The way I hear it. How many years will you all be gone raquel.
lol
To does it matter,
Is this the same Juan Campos the same one that was so eager to be a pastor while at Lake Elsinore, so he takes of for texas and Joel Montes places him in a small church and after a while he can not handle it so he came running back to cal.?
Juan Campos won 2000 souls for the Lord while he was in texas!
Respect the man of God!
Pastor Juan Campos went to pastor the church in Victoria Tx. in 2003.
Its not that he couldn't handle it, they couldn't handle him.
He is a revival preacher and they were all dead!
Their previous pastor Ezekiel Baron who now pastors a small dead church in Ceres (out side of Modesto) Ca. If you know anything about the church in Victoria then you know what I mean...
ps. some pigs just like the mudd!
thinking how bout you
So lets say we vote against the "CID" in 2010, then what?
they are still going to do the same thing...
90% of the pastors in my district are on the side of the gb. The next dist. as well.
The few who are not are too coward todo anything or say anything.
I'm thinking its just best to incorp. locally.
To said:
We ain't going anywhere.
We figure that it took about 80 years to clear Nava., so now it will take another 80 years to clear the Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, the Ma and Aguirular and especially Martin and Prado.
How does this happened. Like the "old spanish saying goes."
"SE MUERE EL MOSCON, PERO QUEDA EL GUSANO"."
ASK D. JAUHALL, HE LEARNED WELL., AND SO DID SANCHEZ, WHO IDOILIZES NAVA WHO "PARDONED HIS BROTHER ELISEO AFTER HIS ESCAPADED IN THE FAMOUS STATE OF TEJAS!!!
So if these Pastors want to live their next 100 years under "servituded", then its the way it will be.
The G>B. is still 'REVERERNED' BY ALL THE "MEMBERS" IN DENIALS, THE BROWN NOSERS LIKE JOEL MONTES., AND THE WANNA BE SANTA LEONAS AND HER HASBEEN., AND GEORGINA THAT CAME FROM SOME OBSCURED "RANCHO" EN SOME CHICKEN RANCH IN SINALOA.!
SO THERE IS NO HOPE. THEY WILL ALL TOLERATE THE C. I . D. AND THE
INHERITED FROM EFRAIN VALVERDE, DESCLALIFICADORA.
BUT IF WE ASK THE LORD TO "REALLY HUMBLE THE HONORABLES TO THE ASHES, THE LORD REALLY WILL...
SO KEEP ON REBUKING AND PRAYING.
GOD WILL HEAR OUR PRAYERS.
AMEN!
THE UNFORGIVING MAFIA, BLACKBALLINGS!!!.
THEY WILL NOT "LAST FOR LONG".
SAMMY AND DANNY ARE VERY ILL.
PARA MARTIN DEL CAMPO:
ES ESTA PREGUNTA:
Que paso con la Division de la Iglesia de Mexico en Atlanta, Georgia la semana pasada?
Al fin se dieron cuenta que el "Disque" Obispo, JOEL MIRELES DE EL PASO, TX. de la Iglesia Apostolica de Mexico es un HIPROCRATA!
Este hombre Joel es "un cabezon",
caprichudo y contumas. Legalista cuando le conviene, menos con sus
hijos.
Pobresitos de los hermanos de la Asamblea Apostolica que se fueron con La Iglesia de Mexico, con hombres, tambien egocentricos, cabezones, y machistas y sin amor a las almas, como Mireles!
Es la "TERCERA" division que se hace contra Mireles, que nadie lo soporta. Primero se fue Ruiz, luego Guzman., y ahora quien en Atlanta?
Que nos puedes decir Martin del Campo? Tu que eres un espia de Sanchez, Valverde y Pacheco de la Asamblea contra la informacion que "collectas" de la Iglesia de Mexico.
Por eso la "desclaficadora" de ayudo ha asumir a la Mesa Directiva de la Asamblea porque eres un--
TRAIDOR! VENDIDO!!
DESPUES QUE LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO, "TRATO"
DE SACAR EL "RANCHO" DE TI, CON ESO LE PAGAS CON SER ESPIA!!
Pero la estas pagando y la vas a "pagar" mas, tu y Joel Mireles.
Que Dios te de lo que mereces!
que te vendistes con Sanchez, Valverde, Pacho y etc.!
Disgusted805 and said
The both of you scold me and call me a pig? Listen you were the one that called the church that the Lord gave to him DEAD!!! Furthermore are you trying to tell me that he couldn't energize the 2000 brand new, hot off the press,spirit filled souls. Thats why he left? I meant no disrespect, i was merely stating facts, you are the ones that actually disrespected him.
peace out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to the vision of Bishop Valverde, we can now have our conventions at the Fountain.
We have had them in convention centers in Anaheim, Long Beach, Fresno, San Diego. No need anymore.
Conventions can be held in a godly place. No need to pay those places.
No need to waste your money going to Disneyland.
Come to the Fountain and enjoy your Thanksgiving in our cocina or enjoy the restuarants in beautiful Rialto and Fontana.
victor,
as far as i can see it your not stating no facts only rumors. your obviously from IDCN and you probably LUGO but kisser which is Juan campos number#1 hater because all your previous comments are about IDCN.
I merely given info that was being requested. theres is other churches outside of the AA where God is moving at. Juan Campos has an awesome message The Kingdom. I was just making it known.
Disgusted 805: Well, why not? Let's live off the poor ignorant people that don't know any better. These people have been programed to give until they don't have anymore to give. Why not drain them even if they can't buy food for their families much less make their mortgage or else God will send from heaven a terrible punishment to them and their families!!
THAT FOLKS IS THE STRAGEDY OF THE AA!!
I'm worried about how much the valverde$ took out of the country.
Before I was silenced, I estimated there was approximately $25k valverde put toward his property in Baja.
Oh please disgusted it is obivous why he wants convention there. So that he can pay off his church quick.
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Other Pastor had their hugh churches long before Sam even came into the picture and now he wants to host conventions there please. Why did he not think of that before I will tell you why. Now he has an $80k a month church that he has to pay.
So he expects the whole assembly to pay for his church by hosting conventions there.
Now talk about a man with no vision because when a person truly has vision the church that they are in can afford to pay for their own church not expect people who are also barely making it to pay for your church lol.
to disgusted805 and .
I lived close by to Victoria, TX in the Lavaca Bay area by the coast when Juan Campos pastored here and I can tell you that there were not 2000 souls that were won. There may have been 2000 cucarachas in the church. We never went past 50 people and most of the people got tired of his antics. He is a good revival preacher...and will get you hyped up about stuff, but when it comes to solid foundation or Word from which you can live by...he needs a little help himself...marital problems.
BTW, I really like Juan Campos as a person. He is a real nice guy, but as a pastor? Not his calling.
tejano
revival preacher???your so far off.
revival = dead church, a dead church would never understand what pastor Juan is preaching. Pastor Juan teaches meat not milk. What i know about pastor juan church is that he is setting foundation (doctrine not dogmas or legalism) right at this point and making sure everyone is on the same page.
Secondly,
there you go with another rumor, his marriage is in great shape. That was a rumor some chismosas from victoria made up, and as far as i know he put those women in there place in front of the congegration.
Meat? lol rotfl what exactly is meat? Campos is a joke as a pastor.
This talk about a dead congregation is immature talk from a horrible disciple of Campos.
How many do he have in his awa rebel church anyways?
his message is hype and wierd thinking for the dumb in Christ.
encuentro,
i think you need to go back and throw up some more lol!!! because you still have that evil sprit in you especially talking about the men of God. Just because Pastor Campos has left the AA doesnt make him a rebel. Thats unfortunate that there is some in AA members that think like u but but not all.
The vomit has to do with the sin thats in you. Its biblical. When a dog goes back and eats his vomit. thats when Jesus mantions vomit and compares it to sin.
we live in the apostolic supernatural. We arent secular humanists like most of you.
encuentro,
read your bible
hebrews 5:12-14; 6:1-2
Doesitmatter this is one place where I most certainly agree with you.
Juan Campos is a great man of God.
It is so typical of the AA and the GB and the GB followers to do this.
Look at the patterns anytime a Preacher follows the AA GB every word. They are a mighty man of God.
When the preacher wakes up and realizes the eronious doctrine of the AA.
He because a rebel and is rebellious.
So Bro. Juan you keep up the Good work. You have the devil mad and the AA decievers.
That is why they are attacking you.
Keep up the Good work.
encuentro,
according to the AA you are a rebel too cause the AA doesnt allow encuentros. According to the AA YOU ARE OF Wierd thinking.
Campos use to preach against make-up and finger nail polish. How do you figure he preaches on meat and the Word of God. Those are tonterias! Just because you hype people up and shock them about stuff you say is not necessarily biblical meat and potatoes!
Campos wife spoke to my tia in confidence about Juan's ways, so I will leave it at that! ok?
I really like him and his wife. They are so nice but as far as preaching the word?? It's a lot of stale milk!
I do read my bible. I have researched much about sin and how its a comparrison to vomit.
Here are all the quotes in the Bible with the word "vomit". I am not sure which one you are looking for:
1. Job 20:15
He hath swallowed down riches, and he shall vomit them up again: God shall cast them out of his belly.
Job 20:14-16 (in Context) Job 20 (Whole Chapter)
2. Proverbs 23:8
The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.
Proverbs 23:7-9 (in Context) Proverbs 23 (Whole Chapter)
3. Proverbs 25:16
Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it.
Proverbs 25:15-17 (in Context) Proverbs 25 (Whole Chapter)
4. Proverbs 26:11
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Proverbs 26:10-12 (in Context) Proverbs 26 (Whole Chapter)
5. Isaiah 19:14
The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
Isaiah 19:13-15 (in Context) Isaiah 19 (Whole Chapter)
6. Isaiah 28:8
For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Isaiah 28:7-9 (in Context) Isaiah 28 (Whole Chapter)
7. Jeremiah 48:26
Make ye him drunken: for he magnified himself against the LORD: Moab also shall wallow in his vomit, and he also shall be in derision.
Jeremiah 48:25-27 (in Context) Jeremiah 48 (Whole Chapter)
8. 2 Peter 2:22
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Peter 2:21-22 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter
yeah, how do you like me now? Face!
tejano,
nail polish, make-up, yes tontarias but at that point he had to dealt with it because that was the apostolic beliefs which if you are true apostolic of the apostolic assembly in the faith in Jesus christ have to abide by. He is not in the AA. Your probably one of the Faget boys he use to talk about and got offend it by it.
to encuentro,
all the scripture you mention about vomit have nothing to do with the vomitting that goes on in the encuentro. WIERDO.....
my last blog,
not because i cant have a good come back, but i not here to say whats right or wrong but to give info of another oness church outside of the norm (AA or UPC) in the inland empire.
heres the email once again,
kingdomconnectioncenter.com
God Bless everyone, its all for the
Advancing the Kingdom.
Does it matter:
In fact it does matter that Juan Campos use to preach tonterias! And yes he did try to come on to me but i'm not that type of guy. I'm straight.
If he preached against nail polish and was always putting the sister's down...that's not biblical meat!
Didn't he have a backbone when he was in the AA? No one held a gun to his head and said you better preach on tonterias!
He is the same guy inside and needs a real transformation of the Holy Ghost! Now if he apologized to all of us who he would always attack and admit his wrong, I would have more respect for him. He will give account for every idle word that he said and hurt many people.
It doesn't matter if he is AA or AWA, its all more of the same traditions. You can't change a tyrannosaurus to a porpoise by changing from one organization to the next because it will still continue to be a T-Rex
tejano
i cant just not reply to your ignorant comment, what dont you understand there is nothing for him to apoligize about those are the apostolic standard if you dont believe in them why are you in that orginazation. Juan Campos is independent not aa, awa, upc etc. He followes doctrine not dogmas. At one point he was Apostolic to the hueso colorado as they say, but theres a bigger picture.
Secondly,
thats said if thats all you focus on his preaching because im 100% sure there was a bigger message.
im out.
What does it matter:
I am just saying that when he was in the AA he didn't have to preach on tonterias! Many preachers in the AA, AWA, UPC or other reputable organization preach the Word and not tonterias! But everyone knew that if T-rex was preaching all he would do is talk about women's nail polish and tight dresses and it was almost like his obsession. One famous preacher once said that you preach what is in your heart and your weaknesses. I always remembered this when I hear someone preach. I think Campos had a problem with lust toward both men and women, as best I can tell!
tejano,
t-rex how low can you go i hope you never have kids with abnormalties, youll be crying bitter tears. Immature, i knew you were immature thats how low you gone name calling, immature that thats all you focus on. He probably had to preach that to your church cause that was that church problem. Im no idiot like you.
Does it matter:
LOL! You can't have it both ways.
On August 12, 2009 2:40 PM you stated "Your probably one of the Faget boys he use to talk about and got offend it by it."
I haven't called him anything he hasn't called himself!
Your the one with the low of calling people names, but...
Anyway, let me get back on point...If you were part of an organization called "Jim Jones abusers" and you use the lame excuse that you abused people because you were previously associated with another organization and that was their rules...doesn't that mean you were justified in your abusive preaching and now have changed? Campos can't just wash his hands and say that was what I had to do when I was a part of that organization. So if I hurt people, if I was abusive then, that's ok because I was a part of that organization and Jesus understands. God almighty will not hold this against me because I was with the Apostolic Assembly of the faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.
Campos should apologize to all those brethren he abused. He should stand up like a man and apologize! There is no excuse for him abusing and saying he was justified in his abusive preaching!!
He will give account for every word he spoke that was tonterias!!
Lol!
Once again you can't have it both ways!
You can't call me a fool, idiot and say that I am immature. You are the one calling me names and stooping so low. I have not called you any names! So figure who is immature.
You don't seem to understand what I am saying...perhaps I will try saying this another way!!
So what, that the AA had these rules of no make up, no nail polish,etc...!!!
There were plenty of preachers in the AA when Campos was also a part of it, that weren't preaching these tonterias!
Did you ever hear Campos' former pastor, Phil Saenz preach on these tonterias? NO!
So why did Campos preach on these tonterias?? Because he was struggling with these issues himself.
No church needs to be preached to about these standards...I can't even say that it is milk. This type of preaching doesn't even rank according to the Bible!!
Standards are not the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel is Jesus Christ crucified. He died, was buried and rose again. He now lives in the heart of the believers and leads us to all truth!
Don't you get it???????
Who cares that the AA had rules??? Did that give Campos the right to abuse people???
What is God saying in heaven when he hears preachers like Campos preaching on these things that have nothing to do with the Gospel???
I don't think God is very pleased!!
So stop making the excuse that Campos was justified because he was a part of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus!!!!!
There is NO excuse!! He should repent before he tries to move on and open up a new work to the community in Southern California!!!
What about all those he previously abused and hurt??
Don't you get it??? it doesn't matter that he was a part of a standards organization...He has to answer to GOD!!!!
In other words...God shakes His head and says "Those are Tonterias" that those preachers are speaking about!!!
tejano, with all do reapect fat boy, but you're way off! I know Zeke Baron and many people still congregating in Victoria and they are full of G12 from their ex-pastor....Lets see what you preach? A bounch of lame stuff from that ex-upc guy that you post on R4J right? Mr. devotional?
Look Gerardo Grado you lack so much study that your weight is in fat not salt!
And don't bring up your Tia (or should I say wifes Tia) because she and shorty act like they got it all together and the truth is its different at home, can you say vieja!
And I never said anything about 2000 souls, so don't miss quote me fatso!
ok. y ahora tengo pansa?
LOL!
Who shook your cage?
It is, what it is!
Campos couldn't handle Victoria because pastoring is a lot different than showing up in a town and using your six shooters on people and call it revival!
Pastoring is about going after the one sheep that goes stray. That is why he didn't make it in Victoria and he won't do to well in pastoring anywhere, period!
Also who are you to say what make God shake his head?
Before you point the finger at brother Juan and call him to repent, you should repent for being so fat! Don't you remenber the sin of sodom and gomorah? It was the abundence of bread! So go call Jenny Craig Panson!
Ps. Brother Juan has never back-slid like you! So don't be so quick to judge............
Also since your soooooooo perfect (fat boy) does your pastor know your on this blog? Oh wait you don't even like your pastor! But you'll take pictures with him and show them and talk about the man huh?
You fat imbecil.
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To Victor: The pig statement was directed toward the "dead" in that congregation....So forgive me if you thought that was said to you.
Also, I don't believe the LORD give him that church. I believe he feels the call to pastor and was sent (or should I say offered) that church because the previous pastor nolonger wanted it (even though he left family there) Bro. Juan use to get invited to preach there alot and the people loved him untill he started to pastor them. Bro. Juan didn't what them to just be church goers but to be "THE CHURCH" and of course they got offended. They are fine just being a bunch of "tamale makers" and thats why they're so fat!
Tejano, how many people do you pastor?
Stop quoting "famous preachers" (like you do that upc reject) and know God for your self! Who cares about what that "famous preacher" said. Who is inviting you to preach? How many have you baptized? How many have you prayed through?
You have no foundation and thats why you're the r4j Mr. devotion.
All you have is tapes and CDs of preaching.
But like you said, "it is what it is" and that is you have been a church hopper with no foundation from the get go!
Hey .
Your funny! LOL!
My pansa has never had sooo much excercise from laughing!!
Who cares if I have backslid! It doesn't mean that Campos is better than me, because he didn't backslide. Thank God for His forgiveness. Thank God for the blood of Jesus! Do you not believe in it?????
How do you know that Campos wasn't looking at bad girly magazines and internet sites? He was constantly talking about the sisters tight dresses and their outward looks!! He was obviously struggling with his weakness!
He should have been preaching about "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want". You can't be lord's over God's flock.
The AA has been training preachers like Campos to preach standards,rudeness, and putting people down!
While the same AA leaders are stealing the money and using it for their own benefit.
When have you heard a leader preaching about having integrity, being a trustworthy Christian, to stand up for truth.
But instead the AA has current preachers like Campos who was in the front lines of the AA promoting this type of flame throwing.
Why is Campos suddenly changing his tune?
You or others say it is because he is no longer in the AA. That is the most ridicoulus excuse I have ever heard!
If it was good enough for yesterday, it should be good enough for today. God is the same yesterday and forever!
So is the gospel that Juan Campos preached when he was in the AA no longer valid???
BTW, God does shake His head when preachers like Campos are speaking tonterias!
Tejano,
the same could be said of you! you're on here making an issue of juan campos messages. you're the one who keeps bringing it up, seems you're the one stuggling! no wonder you're offended at him! in fact, its no wonder at all! your panties are all ruffled up huh!?!
or should i say your wifes panties i mean you both wear the same size.
i think you look at girly mags! and those internet site you know so much about!?! whos struggling now brother? looks like we've found your weakness.
hey if the shoe fits right?
what kind of preacher are you? your in the AA what good are you doing?
As to what he preached he knew his audience if they were like you, he preached on your level (don't cast your pearls to pigs)(and you sir do fall under that category) funny how i happen to know many people who will never say anything bad about bro juan and also say the aa lost a good preacher! the only people who talk bad about him are reprobates like you. people who love to point the finger away from themselves so we wont pat any attention to you short coming...
let me ask why are you still in the aa? if you don't agree with what is preached get out!
you and i both know thologically the aa is off, so if Bro Juan did change whats wrong with that? maybe he got it right this time, you should be glad for him but insted you put him down right? isn't it funny that is exactly what you don't like about him but you are guilty of it too (on the world wide web) looks like you have the struggle of your like time! see don't quote stupid people because it makes you look stupid. and comes back to bite you in the behind.
looks like you're the funny one, or stupid one i'll let you choose!
either way it makes no difference.
Also can you show me with scripture (chapter and verse) where God shakes his head at preachers like Campos.
other then that you are off and out of the BIBLE! meaning you are stating "nonbiblical" teachings....
Stay away from a foolish man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips. Proverbs 14:7 (NIV)
The senseless man does not know, fools do not understand, Psalms 92:6 (NIV)
Campos wasn't the only one that preached tonterias, there were others! Juan Campos is a nice guy. You couldn't find a nicer person. But his problem was that he didn't speak conviction of sin...instead he put down many sisters in his preachings to get a reaction! That's not preaching conviction.
All I am trying to say is that you can't blame a religious organization for your wrong doings! You will answer to God someday for every idle word!
I totally agree!
but that wasn't all you were saying.
you are a nice guy too.
God Bless you
by the way tejano, i'm still waiting for that chapter and verse on God shaking his head...
Also you should read 1John1.
(its in the NEW TESTAMENT AT THE BACK OF THE BIBLE)
there is some revelation there for you that the upc reject mark hanby wont give you.
peace out Gerry.
Whose Mark Hanby? Never heard of!
Listen fellas, I bet you 9 times out of 10 that when an aa preacher teaches or preaches abot holiness, the first people to be attacked are the poor women, I heard a preachiing once and the preacher even quoted the CONSTITUTION in attacking women. What is up with that? they don't know any better, and all the men are whooting and hollering when these guys start off.
T-Rex? lol lol lol
Campos is stupid little kid!
Doesnt know what pastorship is.
Real pastors dont abandon the
flock God gave for him to shepherd.
Disgusted805
u are right about one thing,
real pastors dont abandon there church, they Car Scam them instead, make them pay for their $80,000 church mortgage, make their church look away when their daughter committs fonication and adultery and she is still singing like nothing happen lol!!!!
. . . and they also win elections with a whopping TWO VOTES out of 600!
Just ask the car scammer. I bet he tells that story to all his friends outside the AA.
T-Rex preaches spiritual junk. All hype to get people pumped up or depressed. He's no pastor. He's a good speaker and manipulator. I hear you jerks referring him to a prophet. What is he a pastor who abandoned his flock or a prophet who is koo koo in the head.
Disgusted805
why do you say Juan Campos abandon his flock, just because he is not there anymore that doesnt mean he abandoned them. He reisign he gave notice to Bishop Joel Montes, so how is that abandoning them. According to your definition of abandonment, why do you stay in a organization that has a president that abandon his church, cause Bro. Daniel Sanchez use to pastor another church prior to being a South Whittier, like wise Bro. Martin Del Campo did he abandon his flock from La Iglesia de Mexico?, or Bro. Victor prado, do you want me to continue lol!!
Juan Campos is a Rod Parsley wannabe. Does a good imitation of him to a tee.
When did Juan C. become a man of God, pre or post assembly member?
victor,
your pastor philip saenz does a good imitation of marcos witt,
pastor Valverde of rick warren, Lugo Sylverster the Cat, Daniel Sanchez Pinky and the Brain, lol!!!!
Typical Apostolics.
Always tearing down people and ministries and never building up anyone.
So only if you are in the inner circle or part of the select few with the right last name does God anoint or forgive ?
Maybe Pastor Campos may have made mistakes I dont know for sure I wasnt there.
But from what I can see he loves God and is doing his best just like the rest of us imperfect followers of Christ trying to run the race.
At least I can say that he was bold enough to walk away from an organization whose form and structure is corrupt and borders on cultish.
It doesnt take courage to blend into the apostolic masses and follow blindly.
True courage is to stand for truth and to take a step of faith into the unkown and trust God to direct your paths.
I admire tha man and all others who have had the valor to not care about criticism and keep on going.
so tejano, tonterias were also preached by your late Pastor Torres (Valentin)???
the AA doctrine, is truthful doctrine. dont mix doctrine with discipline. as far as AA, AWA pastors, if they don't preach the doctrine the apostles preached Jesus being the chief cornerstone, then those preachers need to go elsewhere. put aside the discipline, and concentrate on doctrine, and you will know which pastors are really in it doctrinally.
tejano, just cause a pastor speaks about tight dresses, does not mean that is what is in his heart, it could be that he is looking at someone that is weak in that department and is just trying to avoid someone from backsliding.
by the way, it was said you backslid, did you turn your back on the doctrine of Jesus Christ?
AA(for the Mexicans-did not vote)
AWA(for the pochos-probably voted for Obama)
UPC(for the whites-for Palin and the other dude-lol)
why is it that, for years and years and decades, AWA Pastors, including Baldemar, Torres, and the rest of the "clan", defended AA, and were not wrong, not even when they were in the positions of authority, where they could of made a difference, did they speak out about the broken methods they were using themselves(during and even before Baldemar) but made them public when it did not go their way
i know i just baited some of you, so that is ok, admit it, and keep going. leave it in the past. i dont care if you are AA or AWA, if you are in Christ, you are a new creature.
and about the CID, all the Pastors voted for it, including all the ones in the AWA, unless they did not attend "the elections".
yes, the CID was voted in by Baldemar, Torres, Salomon, and the guy from Austin, along with the rest of the AA pastors
They may have voted the CID in thinking that it would be a useful safeguard.
However seeing it utilized in the way it was, must have opened their eyes to how in the wrong application and motivated by greed it became the opposite.
There is nothing wrong with that !
to revelation:
A preacher will preach what is in his heart 99.9% of the time. Look at poor Rick Ramirez. He was obsessed with speaking about tight dresses and such. That was his downfall.
There are many examples!
As far as Baldemar, Torres, Solomon, etc...
Yea they were wrong for voting for the CID. I think every pastor that voted for it was wrong not to question it. Unfortunately, Del Campo and Valverde had strategized the importance of this document in order to do what they did. This was learned by Del Campo when he was in the Iglesia of Mexio.
Once Valverde had the CID approved, he talked to Sanchez and the plan was hatched!!
Everyone got tricked!
What Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco and Del Campo were not counting on was that there would be a snitch.
This has been going on forever but with the CID, they had the document needed in court. The AA attorney advised Valverde many times throughout the years that this could only happen if there was a CID document.
In the past when Valverde was sneaked into the GB without being a elected district bishop, no one would challenge, except a few who were silenced.
Same thing with Espinoza, Pacheco and Aguilar who have never been elected district bishops.
enough said!
revelation.
That is not the case. I know because I was there that year. Those Pastors did not vote for that CID. They have always been educated and wise.
For those of us that where there that year they voted the CID by majority rule.
The only thing is that the other Pastor's voted it is because they were unaware of what was going on that day.
See valverde hatched his plan to be president since long before this ever started.
I know because I have a couple of good sources and U have heard it first hand many times. Before this all went the way it did.
Valverde said on many occasions that the Pastor's of the AA were nieve and would not know what they were voting for until it was to late to do anything about it.
That year Pastor's went for it with the exception of a few Pastor's. Baldemar, Torres, and many others knew it was to obscure to really place their vote for. These Pastor's asked everyone to consider it and vote on it the following year.
So revelation get a true revelation and your information straight.
You do not have to believe me just ask many other Pastor's who where there and heard it first hand.
Also everything has always been by majoirity vote not by the CID methods which were diabolical.
That is what the AA has done sown evil and now it is reaping it fruits you would have to be very blind to not see the obvious.
So my friend first speak from experience instead of just going off the rumors.
Let’s face it; The CID was used for the glory of “man” and not the glory of God.
This is what the Apostolic Assembly is all about.
They seek their own glory. The Assembly is their “God”.
Sola
please what do you know about the Assembly?
your just a trinitarian!
get a revelation of the 1 true God then come and debate!
ASEMBLICO
You are new to this blog.
What makes you think I am Trinitarian.
You could not defend the Oneness of God if your life depended on it.
Sola,
look sister this is an Apostolic blog ok!
ASEMBLICO
I am Apostolic.
What's your point?
And God does not need me to defend Him, or the oneness! you on the other hand could not prove that there is a triune god if you life depended on it...
Your way off ASEMBLICO.
Go back to sleep.
you! apostolic!?! pleaseeeeeeeeeee!
you are one of those sisters with an AA from community college and you think you know everything!
I am more Apostolic than you because,
First, because I understand the “term” .
Second, I hold I high view of the scriptures.
Third, I am not a sensationalist, such as you, attempting to prove his points with emotion.
Bring it on!
ASEMBLICO
Okay then!
Are you ready to debate??
You know what you are true God does love everyone.
He does not degrade or be little other people to show that he is God.
The only thing is that you apostolics openly critize other Doctrines and believers but you claim to love God.
God is love but apostolics live on hype and power words.
This is an emotional experience. Know I am not saying we should not express ourselves even king David did so.
I am how ever saying is the AA is a pop culture in itself.
You all have ups and downs. Many of your youth start to leave your church because they see the hypocritical attitudes you all carry around.
God says that he is lifted up he will draw all men unto him.
The current situation is proving to us that the AA does not lift up God they lift up themselves.
If that were not true then you would not be losing people left and right.
When you really follow God. People will draw unto him because you are lifting him up and not yourself.
So evidence show you all can defend God because Paul and all the other could also.
That is why they were despised. You all can defend God because most of you all just read the word and pray like once a year at your conventions.
Then you say God does not need you to defend him because you are trying to portray a self righteous image.
So my friend because I still love you as a brother in Christ.
Let us try to refrain from knocking down other churches because at the moment the church that used to knock down other churches now has the spotlight on them and now that church is being
looked down upon.
If we had more compassion for others who do not know the truth then maybe just maybe God would have had compassion on the AA.
See God is not trying to destroy you all his is trying to teach you all a lesson.
Because he loves you all and died for you all.
He is trying to show you all that HE loves you but HE is tired of what the AA has become it has become a trail of carnage instead of a hospital for the weary.
Look little girl I've been pastoring in the Assembly for 41years! How dare you speak to me like that! I rebuke that spirit of the devil! You are not even close to being Apostolic! You know NOTHING!
Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to CONTEND earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
Jude 1:3
Wake Up Apostolicos!!!
ASEMBLICO
Start looking for another job!!
I know who you are now! you are that end-time spirit of JEZEBEL!
I rebuke it NOW!
ASEMBLICO
Typical Apostolic. In one ear and out the other.
Let's set up an online debate, if your so sure of yourself.
you need to get off line and in the BOOK! I bet you don't even have a BIBLE! Look little girl this isn't community college! you're playing with the big dogs!
Pastor if you have been there for forty one years and in you statements you have know used any word.
How can I believe what it is you are saying.
In my paragraphs i have used a good number of scriptures.
You result to being mean.
If you are older than me which you are you should show me the way with love.
All you have shown me is that you feel superior because you have been there for forty one years.
What about God he has been around for thousands of years should not his love show through you and enlighten me if you have been a Pastor for so long.
You would be able to show mean the way of my error with love.
Instead you are showing no love only intense anger.
Now if I were from the world. The anger which you have shown would be enough to send me away.
Thank the Lord my foundation is much stronger.
You saying that you have been a Pastor for forty one years would be like me saying I have a lineage of family members that have been Pastor's and bishops which is very true.
I am half your age and I know that throwing those titles is about good as someone who through grass on a fire trying to stop it from burning.
Titles mean nothing unless you have the support of God behind you.
Hey who is "FILABUSTER" WHOM ON JUAN CAMPOS?
FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!
YOU are all way off the subject of these blogs of Sanchez, Valverde, Pa., Ma., Martin Prado and Aguilar!
Honestly you must recently 'ARRIVED' TO THE AA.
Where have you been? for the last 80 years?
The big "PAPA" ON bashing women, was Juahall. He had it soooo bad on women he would go 'BALASTIC'.
Yet he was handlying about four of five "Jovenes" at the same time , WHEN HE WAS MOP!
And "screaming" at the Podium on "Why No Revival"?
So its the same old same old, easy way to "put fear and hell damnation to the women.
These guys, also like Richard Alamarz , God rest his soul, would have the '"GULL" to "take up valuable time at the General Conference in Anaheim, and "shout and bash women on "the length" of their shirt. AND SO DID JUAHAL, AND LOOK WHERE HE IS NOW!
IT JUST DOES NOT "PAY TO USE THE "POWER OF THE PODIUM" FOR "SELF GRATIFICATION!
IT SURE BACK FIRES...AND SOOOOOON!
ALAMARAZ, TYPICAL OF ALL THE "EX.CHOLOS ALAMARAZES, really despise "WOMEN" ask Juahall they were in CENTRAL AMERICA and Panama.
(ALAMARAZ AND JAUHALL).
O la Cucha" Ana la K"!
The issue is that Valverde "allows, Raquel to "paint her face and hair and so Aguilar, wanna be blond wife.,
But Sanchez has la "distinguida" looking like "Ma Moises", and white as snow!
So what goes?
If Juan Campos preaches on "women, doctrinal issues. I do not see any of THESE
'holier then thou evangelists. 'DRESSED IN TUNICS AND SANDLES" AS THE MEN OF "OLD".
SO SHUT UP, READ YOUR BIBLE AND PREACH THE WORD.
Dress your women like Leah, like the Talabams and remember it took a Second World War, to have the women wear pants to work in the factories and ship yards.
And it took a "Second World War" to have women wear short sleeves and knee short skirts.
Remember what is said.,"Se muere el gusano pero deja el gusano."
TRANSLATION" THE BIG FLY DIES BUT LEAVES THE WORM!
The cultist UPC is just as bad., Yet they condone Florazulers., like at Union city. 'JUST PRAY THROUGH AND "GIVAAA TO THE "FOREVER BUILDING FUND!
"AND SISTER AND BROTHER YOU WILL BE "HONOR HERE ON EARTH" BY THE GB!
VALVERDE BUILT A "GYM" AND NOW HE WANTS THE GENERAL CONFERENCES THERE TOO. BECAUSE THE GB KNOWS THERE "AIN'T ENOUGH PEOPLE" EVER AGAIN TO FILL UP ANY LARGE AUDITORIUM. SO ITS GONNA BE "HELD IN THE VALVERDE'S (SAN ANDREAS FAULT) DOMAIN, HIS "GYM".
AIN'T NO ONE GONNA GO AND BE
FOOLED TO GO AND GIVE AND GIVE AND GIVE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
"THEM DAYS ARE GONNA". SAMMY!!
Why don"t you great Evangelists be an Apostole Paul and go and evangelise the "Florers," from Adam Lopez's union city Church. the contaminators? AND THE FOUNTAIN OF WANNA BE TRUTH IN FONTANA?
why don't you Preach on Fags?
why only the women DRESS MODES?
Why? does the GB "honor" that Union City church sooooo much?
Could it be $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.. Or Nava's descendents?
Wow open your eyes! SAnchez, Valverde, Pa., Ma and Aguilar!
Brother Juan Campos. go preach to those heathens!
They also need to be bashed., not only women. Or do you also have the inheritance of Jauhall and Alamaraz? God rest his soul!
May God have mercy on raquel JET BLACK HAIR and cesea and all the wives of the Pastor that "bleach" their hair and wanna be "blondies".
Where are those restriction? Sammy?
When you were in Union City last two weeks Samy ,Sanchez and Aguilar, on your "ten minutes" sermonettes.
We sure did not hear you "bash" those florazulers!
Why not Sanchez? Oh we forgot...
Nava "forgave your Brotha Eliseo!
Thank you for reminding us, on that "issue". YOU SANCHZ ARE SO INDEBETED AND YOU PACHECHO ON THE "FORGIVENESS OF THE CAR SCAMS" AND NOW YOU ARE IN THE G E N E R A L B O RED?
SO THAT IS THE WAY TO MAKE IT AND BE A TRAITOR AND SPY LIKE MARTIN DEL CAMPO., AND MONEY GIVING FROM "GRANTS BY AGUILAR".
SO THAT'S THE WAY TO GET TO THE GB?
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY!
REPENT! AND STOP BE HIPROCRATAS!!!
Assemblico:
If you really are an AA pastor, I am ashamed!
If you have been a pastor for 41 years? I'm even more ashamed...that proves the very point made by the majority of bloggers here.
You were trained by the AA leadership in how to talk down to people. You were taught to act high and mighty and that is why they have lost it! Pastor's like you!
Let God arise and His enemies be scattered! You are the one that will be vomited out of God's own mouth.
Son, why don't you go back to your little 35 member AA church and start praying!
You are a reproach to man and God!
Sola run along little girl! go play with your dolls!
gunter the JWs use scripture too, it doesn't mean their right!
you talk about love so much I think your a tree hugger!
why don't you mind your own business?
Antonio you are the reprobate and reproach! treason is what you preach and do! you are vomit!
Point proven Pastor you all use scripture and look at the mess the AA is in I would say that this means you all are not on the right track either.
If you all were right the AA would not struggle as it has been.
Those that have left seem to be prosperous while we struggle over here.
So this is coming to show me that the AA really must not have the truth.
Wow! I just want to say that I'm only 14 years old and I am so disapointed. I never thought "Men of God" talked like this. Sola dei gloria, thank you! Because I am waking up! Keep posting.
Asemblico:
You don't know anything about me. How can you say anything to me? Because you are in defensive mode.
If I came on this blog putting down little sisters and coming off as arrogant as you did, I would deserve to be put in my place with a scriptual beating.
But I really doubt you are a pastor...that would be a real shame!
I am not going to contend with you because you think you have arrived, son you don't have a clue about anything...
I don't speak to people like you who make no sense and can't have some serious dialogue!
I will LEAVE you with these scriptures:
Proverbs 18:6 A fool's lips bring him strife, and his mouth invites a beating.
Psalms 44:3 You have made us a reproach to our neighbors, the scorn and derision of those around us.
Isaiah 51:7
"Hear me, you who know what is right, you people who have my law in your hearts: Do not fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults.
Sola de gloria and the rest of you bloggers do even answer Asemblico!
Just think!!!! God sees all, Knows all. One day very soon, you will stand before HIM and the Great book will open. A computer will not be provided for you to enter in all your dumb comments. Will you spend internity with HIM? or will you have an answer to why you have allowed your hearts to stray away. You will not be able to blame the pastor, brother, sister, or anyone but yourselves. You have lost the main focus which is JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR. You think you are hurting the pastors or the GB, but you are only hurting your eternal life with the LORD.
so gunter, what church were you pastoring during the election and the adoption of the CID, which was not challenged by any of the new AWA pastors?
because i also have insiders, just like all of you claim to have. pastors that are in it because of a calling from God, and not because of "a friend of a friend of a friend" or because they are "familia" from coast to coast and they were all there for the vote, not a peep was heard from Baldemar "aka:OBISPO PRESIDENTE-AWA/according to Torres", or even Torres himself.
so what church did u pastor?
these pastors pray diligently and so on, and do what most pastors should do.
and Asemblico, you need to tone it down, you don't sound like any pastor i know, wether AA, AWA, UPC,or PAW. if you are angry, then pray "por paciencia" i am sure you were there when Baldemar was doing the same and now calls it wrong. leave it in the past and as Still Standing reminded "focus on Jesus" and you will see how this little AA/AWA problem is so minute in comparison to what the "church-AA/AWA/UPC/PAW/and the independent ones" will be passing through in the next few years.
are you for the healthcare reform, did u vote Obama in, the USA is not included in Bible prophecy, so what do you think is going to happen to us?
you know those times, like in the times of old, when the church had to be hidden to be able to congregate. the church will be persecuted and will be sifted! you will know which were called, and which were chosen!
AA/AWA/UPC/PAW/INDEPENDENT-we will praise and worship together, just like at the beginning.
Asembelico: Is your spiritual umbilico chord connected to Jesus Christ? It seems to me there is not enough spiritual oxygen flowing into your spiritual brain (heart). This can be a cause for someone not to be able to focus or distinguish between right and wrong! Unfortunately, you're not the only one with these symptoms. That is why there are unhealthy spirtual leaders, bishops, pastors and sad to say even members within the AA that are sick.
correction even pastors and members that are withing the AA/AWA/UPC/PAW/Independent churches that are sick(ill)
Revelation: I am glad you're back on. Regarding your district since you mention on one of your previous comments that Bracamontes was your pastor. Why did you guys turn on Pastor Arreola by drawing members out of his congregation to Midland? After all the support he gave to you all and the pastor for you guys to do him dirty! On youtube, I saw Pastor Arreola sitting on the platform which I assume was Midland with a big great SMILE and what I assume to be ALL his congregation supporting the decision of the GB to remove Pastor Torres. What happened?? I hear he's not a VERY HAPPY CAMPER now. On another note, why is your pastor also taking other members out of the surrounding churches?? Don't you guys believe in evangelism and winning souls for Christ?
Just an observation.
Sola,
If this guy claims to be a Pastor of 41 years you would think he would have his emotions under control by now.
Also he should have read many books, commentaries and attained some knowledge beyond the Apostolic Expositor.
You would think.
However if he thinks you are a girl because of the word gloria in your username.Or because you utilize the word sola which in spanish means alone in the feminine form.
Does not that speak volumes about what he does not know ?
Do not waste your time if he can not even get past your username.
Sola Scriptura
Sola Fide
Sola Gratia
Solus Christus
Soli Deo Gloria
first, Baracamontes being my pastor-i wont answer that one/ do i congregate-i wont answer that one either, and the video concerning Pastor Arreola and Odessa congregation, it was a service to mainly support the members that were left congregating in Midland, and it was not only Odessa that attended. San Angelo, Kermit(not the frog), Monahans, Andrews, Lubbock, Big Lake, Ozona, and other small church members that also attended.(is that the video you are referring to?)
on the matter of other church members going to church in Midland, i hope they all had a reasonable excuse to want to go there. i don't blame them, if i was in their shoes i would think about my spiritual life first, and i think that is why they made the move.
and Pastor Arreola not being a happy camper now, well that goes to show you, I heard he is sad, not because "Baracamontes took them", but because he is a Pastor that was looking out for his members. He baptised some of them, don't know how many from Odessa are in Midland now, but he has known most of them all of their life. He diligently prayed for his members and the tribulations they were going thru, i think that is why he was sad.
But life keeps going, i think he and his wife just went on vacation, so i don't think he is stuck in the sadness state. if u don't know Pastor Arreola, then you should try meeting him.
i heard it through the grapevine that Pastor Abel Torres went looking for him at his home(i don't think he was there-he was visiting people at the Hospital-which is what the others looking for him should be doing instead of trying to smear his name), now i am wondering what are they trying to do. are they wanting to crucify Pastor Arreola, cause if they are, there will be many Pastors and members that will be upset with the AA and AWA here in TX if there is a negative impact on his ministry.
Pastor Abel Torres knows very well how it works, he used to be bishop for a long time here in the West TX District(2terms), later to split and forming Northwest TX District(2terms). He knows Pastor Arreola had his back when he was with the AA. do the new AWA pastors not have his back like Pastor Arreola did before? is that what he is looking for, or just trying to cause more havoc in our District?
i think, and here is an Idea, it's only an idea that could work:
if AWA Leaders need to speak to an AA Pastor, why don't they post their business here, and I am sure the message could be relayed back and forth. that way we all know what the conversation is about we are not left in the dark as to what is so important that you have to go to his home to look for him. if it is to see about his health, then write him a letter like before.
if the AA pastor does not want to correspond, then you wont find a response, and that would be final.
Revelation: I don't have any recollection of ever committing you to answer if you were a member in Midland or not. I only went by your previous comments and the signal you sent to all of us regarding Bracamontes and the church there in Midland and how you stand up for him and the church. Honestly, there is nothing wrong for standing up for your pastor and church. From what I hear there aren't too many happy pastors left there in your district that approve of what he is doing.
Revelation: Then if these pastors are happy with your pastor. Why are they going to speak up at their next district meeting regarding Bracamontes? That doesn't sound like very happy pastors to me. Does it? Unless, they are afraid of being ousted too! Isn't this what the AA is all about? Speak no evil, hear no evil and see no evil!
Revalation: How true is it that Bracamontes is a vulgar speaking man? A comment was made by one his member regarding his vulgar mouth as they were getting ready for a tent revival when he made this comment to the men in front of the women "stick those stakes in the ground just like you stick them inside your women." UNBELIEVABLE!!!
well, you said:
what is going to happen next said...
Revelation: I am glad you're back on. Regarding your district since you mention on one of your previous comments that Bracamontes was your pastor.
now show me where i posted he was my pastor, that is the only reason why i posted i would not answer if i am a member or not.
and are you going to be at that meeting?
you also made a contradictory statement within your own statement:
Then if these pastors are happy with your pastor. Why are they going to speak up at their next district meeting regarding Bracamontes? That doesn't sound like very happy pastors to me. Does it? Unless, they are afraid of being ousted too!
so are "they" going to speak or are "they" not going to speak??
i think you are shooting blanks!
and the tent revival, was not there so i cant say he did say that.
Nice Job Enrique!!
so you were there, and if not, you must weigh who told you that comment, kind of like if Grado tells u something- how much weight does it hold?
Revelation: CASE CLOSED!! I think I've given enough info. for you and everyone else to see regarding this Prophet in Midland! He hasn't changed since he was in NV. As Joshua told the people of Israel "choose today who you will serve!"
what is going to happen next said...
Revelation: CASE CLOSED!!
if you are a lawyer, you might have slept through a couple of semesters! lol
Its time for a truce. All this arguing and bickering must come to an end.
What do you say my brothers?
Why don't you come to The Fountain this sunday to one of our many services and worship the Lord in true spirit and truth. Pastor Sam will bless you with another of his tremendous and annointed preaches.
Our praise team is second to none.
Lord willing, you will lay down your pride and bitterness and come worship with us at The Fountain.
Blessings
I thought ole $ammyboy and raquel were overseas spending up a storm. Don't forget to raise that $80,000 for the church mortgage.
Sorry revelation but even cops say that so your lame attempt at a joke is backfiring because that was pretty lame.
No wonder you oddesians are in the situation you are in. lol
Sometimes people want to make up for their shortness with their loudmouths.
Any word on Bro. Willy Mendozas case or settlement?
Now that was a good joke caminado_voy.
To: Te informa the whole truth and Revelation:
Thank you for reminding us of the other past preachers in the AA and AWA who preached tonterias!
Jauhall, Almaraz & many more even this former pastor in Northern California who was a general convention preacher (remember him) Barbosa? I'm only naming a few. But there were many pastors and ministers from small churches. The perfect example is Barbosa who would cut down so much on women in his preachings that his poor wife just finally got tired and left him.
I hear he was the one that went to prison for statutory raping young girls.
So yes, lot's of AA preacher's started doing this before Campos ever did. So history repeats itself and not many know this history of the AA.
But the bottom line is that it makes my point even more so! That is why I believe the AA is a house of vipers and is being systematically destroyed so that God will rise above any organization.
Let me prophecy that this AA as we know it will go bankrupt within 5 years! The AA office will be sold and if the leaders don't make amends quickly, they will be losing their church buildings within a few years! (Why do you think Sanchez, Valverde & Pacheco incorporated in Texas) There is no way that the AA so called mega churches can continue to survive because so many of their members are either getting ready to leave or already leaving. You can’t be a General Board member and have ministers from your local church truly respect you. They know down deep inside you can’t be trusted and the congregation members are also beginning to see! How can you continue congregating in their church knowing all they have done!! Everyone here has to admit that at minimum, there was a big APPEARANCE of fraud! Too big that an honest and open internal investigation and discussion should have been allowed. Instead a kangaroo committee of bishops were convened. Sanchez & Valverde lead the snikering in the board meeting, when people with real concerns would professionally and in a Christian manner orally and in written form, present their concerns.
When Sanchez, Valverde and the rest of the board members were snikering and laughing at those presenting thier concerns...that snikering was directed at each individual member of the AA who had no way of being represented.
We were the ones that were being made a mockery of, we were the ones to made out to be fools.
Each of the 45,000-50,000 Apostolic Assembly members were being mocked and being laughed at by the board members. We were the ones that lost all trust and belief that our leaders were men of integrity.
This thing is about to boil over... Sanchez, Valverde and the rest of them have decided the churches will be bankrupted and then they will have no choice but to emerge as independent, locally incorporated churches
The GB churches will start closing and reopen as incorporated churches because they can't sustain their mortgage payments! People will be begin to leave the AA.
The AA has lost its innocence! Utterly destroyed by evil men, currently on the board and many who were formerly on the board who repented too late!!
This is a result of present and past sin!!!!
Hey Tejano, as if you have any credibility?
Tejano, there is a lot of truth to your comment. Just found out that a pastor somewhere near Lubbock, Texas recently left the AA. He was trying to see if he could buy another church and have it finance under the AA organization while he was still in the AA. Guess what he said the bank told him " we can't do it because the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus is bankrupt." WOOO!! I nearly fell off my chair when I heard this. What happen to all of our tithes of tithes that we give?
"What is going to happen next' said..From what I hear there aren't too many happy pastors left there in your district that approve of what he is doing.
I do not know what pastors you are talking about but 99.9% of the Pastors in the Northwest District support Pastor Bracamontes. If you are getting your info from Torre's buddy in Lubbock or Andrews your in for a supprise. Most Pastors in our district have invited Pastor Bracamontes to have revivals in their churches as soon as he gets back from his missionary trip.
As for as Pastor Bracamontes stealing members... that sounds too kindergarden don't you think? There is only around 5 families from the surronding areas most of the people are original members that had left with brother Torres and are now coming back. Thats why you and CAMINO VENGO.. are making such a big deal out of it. We invite you to one of the services and you will see that the large majority of visitors are in fact new souls.If you folks are so happy with the AWA or WWE whatever its call, forget about the AA and do your own thing quit trying to lie to folks that are not from this area.
Oye Panadero! (Baker)
What about that 12 year old you got pregnant there at bracamontes? Is this hte revival you are talking about! I heard that the reason Bracamontes went to the mission fied was because he was already tired of you folks there in Midland! He said he just wished he culd get rid of one-eyed leyva!
To Revelation:
FYI! Arreola doesn't have anybody's back my friend he only has their pockets! It is a well known fact that he bums off of everyone and never pays them back! Is tahat your idea ofa great pastor? Wake up and smell the coffee my friend!
Baker: Toooo... late the word is out regarding your pastor (oops!) I meant Bracamontes having a history of building membership with other pastors members. He did it here and he will do any place else just like he's doing it in Texas. I am glad he left because all he did was cause problems within the pastors. Lugo didn't like him but being the friend he is to Sanchez, Valverde and the rest of them off course they helped him out and sent him to Texas for someone else to hassle with him. I guess we'll just have to give him sometime for him to be booted out of that district too! I wonder how much longer Pastor Arreola and Marroquin will tolerate this? Maybe until they are left with nothing no one! I hope you guys have had some luck in changing his vulgar mouth unless if you can beat him, why not join him?
If Pastor Marroquin, Pastor Arreola, Pastor Ortega, and Pastor Quintanilla do not like him where does your figure of 99% come from Baker the musician no wonder why you are a musician because you are horrible with Math.
Who said Pastor Arreola does not like him? Pastor Arreola is a great man and I do not think he is upset with Pastor Bracamontes, he may be a little disappointed in the members that left but Pastor Arreola has to much integrity to play the competition game that you folks think is going on! Again, better check your sources are not VERY RELIABLE!!! This district is moving on together, you folks need to do the same, get over it and work hard in enlarging GODS Kingdom that is why we have been called to do, we will do the same.
P.S Im not a musician, I am a baker.... sorry its 98%. I will try to get my math strait next time. Midland Independent School District is not very good.. Wasn't Pastor Torres part of MISD?
Trophyman said...What about that 12 year old you got pregnant there at bracamontes?
Hey trophydude, that poor girl getting pregnant is not a joking matter. If you actually new the girl you would know that the girl has learning disabilities to say the least and some SICK PERVERT took advantage of her. Once again you people need to check your sources before you make serious accusations! That is not a joking or pointing fingers matter, no matter how bitter you may be. I pray that that would never happen to one of your love ones.
Gunter and Trophyman: Seems like you guys stepped on someone's toes! OUCHHHHHH!!!
Another product of Bracamontes. That's his style!
Gunter and Trophyman: You guys leave this poor guy alone. Like I said on my last comment "let's just give Bracamontes some time." His (Bracamontes) tracks will become more visible as time goes by for these POOR SOULS who DO NOT know any better to finally see the writing on the wall! Enough info. has been sent out to those who CAN distinguish between right and wrong.
Baker you're right "let's move on." You people will just have to learn the hard way. MAY GOD HELP YOU ALL!
Panadero!
You are right about one thing, this is not a joking matter! If I were the AA I would converge on this problem as if my life was on the line! There in Texas you don't mess with the CPS folks. Of course you and I know what the priorities are for the AA GB. $$$$$$!!!!
FYI! The bishop there in that district was warned about all the trouble that bracamontes would create, any way you look at it he is a troublemaker!
TROPHYMAN SAID.....FYI! Arreola doesn't have anybody's back my friend he only has their pockets! It is a well known fact that he bums off of everyone and never pays them back! Is tahat your idea ofa great pastor? Wake up and smell the coffee my friend!
trophyman by the way you spell I can see that you are a product of MISD as well.. LOL.. Everyone loves and respects Pastor Arreola he helped this District in its darkest times (last couple of years)he always stood behind Abel when he was the bishop here in Northwest Tx and anyone that truly knows him knows that what you said is coming out of jealousy. Pastor Arreola has done more for his church and this district then you and your hero will do in a life time.
Gunter: What does this guy mean regarding "MISD" and honestly "who cares!" Do you know him? Does he have some mental disabilities because he sure doesn't make any sense at all! What kind of members does Bracamontes have there with him? A bunch of dysfunctional ones! Interesting!
To be honest that really does not seem to be to relevant.
By the way I hear it Pastor Arreola was actually helped by Pastor Torres.
When his family was being divided. When he re-married.
So I guess the love and support was mutual between Pastor Torres and Pastor Arreola.
Gunter thanks for the info. Sounds like these two pastors Arreola and Torres were there for each other. They must of have been good friends.
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