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Orange County District Attorney
Press Release
Tony Rackauckas, District Attorney
401 Civic Center Drive West
Santa Ana, CA 92701
For Immediate Release
Case # TBA
November 12, 2008
Contacts:
Susan Kang Schroeder
Public Affairs Counsel
Office: 714-347-8408
Cell: 714-292-2718
Farrah Emami
Spokesperson
Office: 714-347-8405
Cell: 714-323-4486
PROTESTANT PASTOR CHARGED WITH MOLESTING
14-YEAR-OLD FEMALE PARISHIONER
NEWPORT BEACH– A Protestant pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente was charged today for molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner that he met through his job. Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child between the ages of 14 and 15, and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molest. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of five years and six months in prison. He is out of custody on $100,000 bail. Maffey is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 5, 2008, at 8:30 a.m., Harbor Justice Center, Newport Beach. The Department will be determined later.
Maffey met Jane Doe through his role as a pastor. Between May 2008 and August 2008, the defendant is accused of violating his position of trust by engaging in illegal sexual contact with Jane Doe. On multiple occasions, he is accused of passionately kissing Jane Doe on the mouth. He is also accused of contacting her several times to meet and engage in kissing.
Anyone with additional information or who believes they have been a victim is encouraged to contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714)347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff’s Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at (714)647-7419.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Department investigated this case. Deputy District Attorney Tony Ferrentino of the Sexual Assault Unit is prosecuting this case.
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Wasn't Richard Maffey in line to serve on the Apostolic Assembly General Board? Has the organization made a public comment? How far in advance did they know Maffey was performing these lewd acts and did nothing?
Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay the attorney's fee's and penalties.
http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=1074&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Pastor-Accused-of-Kissing-Teenage-Girl.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-pastor13-2008nov13,0,1568393.story
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=10649090&src=news
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«Oldest ‹Older 1601 – 1800 of 3530 Newer› Newest»You Wish You Knew, how much did you get paid MR. YES-MAN??? Talking about the AA being so insecure they had to send someone to see what was going on in the AWA! Sounds to me that they feel somewhat threatened that they might start losing some of their people. If Sanchez and Valverde were as smart as they appear to be they should have known this was going to happen. We are all going to be surprise to see the exodus that is about to take place. Just like Sarah when she was told she would bear a child in her old age there will be those who will
laugh in unbelief.
Hahaha the AA is so insecure that that they come to see what the AWA is doing. You all do not have a spirit of boldness if you did you would not even concern yourself with what is going on with AWA.
Talk about not being able to move on lol.
To You Wish U Knew...
I read from AWA website that they had three other preachers other than who you referenced, how were they?
Apostolic 4 Life,
You are retarded that You Tube clip is from Paul Guttierez's Church in Whittier.
He is from The Apostolic Global Alliance.
Not The Apostolic World Alliance.
And if they are serving God why are they a joke ?
Why woul you call anyone UPC or AA rejects.
The spirit of arrogance you show is exactly the reason many Apos have decided to get away from the AA Cult.
TO: Apostolico_4life
Before you get on the blog and trash people make sure you get your information correct. The video you linked is of Pastor Paul Gutierrez New Life Fellowship Whittier, CA. You are right he did leave the AA a few years back, but he is not apart of the AWA. He is apart of the AGA. AGA started a few years back, it is a fellowship of churches with the same structure of the AWA. Hasbeens and rejects you call them, well the Lord calls them redeemed.
I'm so tired of the mentality of those people tied to denominationalism and I am tired of people like you speaking on behalf of the entire AA. There many good people in the AA.
I have great relationships with many pastors and leaders of the AA though I myself am not apart of that fellowship. I may not agree with the structure or political elements of the AA but there is no doubt they are my brothers and sisters. God is so much bigger than our concept of church. Like my bishop would say. “Some of you all need to get the Holy Ghost for real.” Some of you all spend more time defending your fellowship than the Gospel. AA, AWA, AGA, PAW, UPCI, COGIC, COOLJC at the end of the day there is only one heaven and one Lord. We better learn how to get along real soon.
Before you begin to do the research on me let me save you time and money.
Who is EASTCOASTER?
Pastor Alex Rivera (Family Life Community Church) Lancaster PA
An affiliate of the AGA
Friend of the AA & AWA
Kingdom Worker
SpreadTheWord, I checked out the roster of preachers for End Time and there are no GB of the AA on it. What happened to Bro. Adam's close ties with the GB? Do you know?
Ynos, yes there were other preachers. Pastor Saul Avila and Daniel Solomon preached on Thursday and Friday. There were two preachers on Saturday. Pastor David Zuniga preached on moving on and not looking back. Pastor Abel Torres spoke about moving on but not forgetting the past. He said "he was not willing to forget the past because though we don't agree on how things are being done in the organization we were in I refuse to forget all my father "Valentin Torres" accomplished as pastor and all he taught me within the organization. It is there where I was taught to know and love God. It has not all been bad but good things have also come out of it."
Awesome sermon! That says a lot of his character.
you wish u knew,
i have also left the AA and went to the AWA convocation and it was a joke the MC was weak with his praise team off key. For Big services of this magnitude they need to have the best especially for being the first annual. The people they had up there singing wouldnt in a million years be singing at any AA convention thats for sure. I was not impress at all and i pray to God my pastor never thinks or decides to join Awa organization. AWA doesnt want a a fresh new annointing they want AA old smelling rooting AA oil.
Wow! now we are judging the move of God by how good the Praise Team sounds. I have never been impressed by praise and worship that is not its purpose. While I say that I think it is important to have good music in church. The AA has produced great music over the years, but that is not the means by which we should judge their success. So if MC don't got skills God cant move? We seriously need more prayer services and less choir rehearsals.
My Lord!
Fullerton@work, that's exactly the mentality of some of the AA members. All they think is how good they sound. Who cares about the annointing. Maybe there are better musician and voices within the AA according to you but how does it serve it's purpose if the annointing isn't there. All it comes down to is just noise. Anyone can do that! Is that all your salvation is based on? Music! If so, no foundation whatsoever.
Eastcoaster,
that was just the begining of the service it went down hill after that with the Tigres del norte singing Tomado de la mano con el yo voy. What fresh annoiting is that?? And a 30-40 min offering pick up. It was the AA convention just with a new name. Theres nothing refreshing about AWA. I preffered stating independent.
Fullerton@work my guess is that you don't know anything about music. I personally have a preference in music for the church and it definitely isn't musicians such as "Los tigeres de Norte" as you've stated but one thing I have learned is to appreciate all kinds of cultural music. It might not be what I enjoy hearing but it is still considered to be talent.
the best thing there was the 3 girls that sang on friday the only thing with annointing there, Cause Bro. Solomon didnt bring any new word other than bitterness to the pulpit. Get over it.
fullerton@work,
stick to your own praise team if they impress you. I know first hand that in the past, praise team members would end up at the hotel rooms having sex and drinking booze after convention.
anointing, sure buddy. the AA only makes sure you look right when pple are watching. but in the dark, the demons come out.
Each Endtime Speaker has been selected with every intention of keeping the message clear and stirring.
Every message you will hear will lift up your confidence, reveal your potential, inspire your senses.
There is no offering at this event.
There is intense Holy Ghost at this event.
There is wall to wall adoration and praise for Jesus Christ at this event.
There is healing at this event.
There is recovery at this event.
There is renovation at this event.
You will leave with renewed purpose.
Remember your enemy is not each other. Your enemy is unseen. Your enemy cultivates dissention, distrust, division, and anxiety. Your enemy seeks to distract you. He works through those near you and those away from you.
Did you seek the face of God this morning? Did you ask him to forgive you? Did you forgive others?
If not you have some work to do. Good news the day is far from over. You still have time.
Find the answer to this phrase: Love is ... and that is what you should do today.
Fullerton, yes I agree with you that Pastor Solomon's sermon was not edifying because all he spoke from was "the abundance of his heart." Though he and his wife have always given the impression of being proud but nevertheless they have feelings too! Maybe all that he mention of how he was outsted from his church should have been kept between them and God. It is best to move on just as we heard it from the other preachers.
i have no respect for Bro. Solomon as a preacher. So i wasnt surprise as his preaching he has so much bitterness but his opinios should not be brought out in preaching. He once preached at a youth camp i went to about kids without a father are bastards, and my close friend that was with me had no father. That friend turned to me and our other friends with tears im I a bastard. It was sad and never again do i see him with respect. But that still didnt turn me away from going to AWA too see if we can be part of that organization the dry service did it.
Fullerton I have family that are just independent like yourselves and I haven't seen them come any close to T.D. Jakes as far as having advanced in music as well as growth and ministries in the church. Maybe you all have a mega church.
Fullerton, that's your choice. AWA is not for sale. God bless
Fullerton@work, I am sorry I messed up your name on the blog twice.
fullerton@work...
As has always been stated, you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. I read from this blog that there was others preachers there at the AWA convention. What can you say about Pastor Avila's preaching? How about Pastor Zuniga's. I ask you because my sources tell me that they both gave good word and the congregation responded very well.
I am honestly trying to figure out what Pastor Saul Avila's point was in his message. I have heard him speak before and he has done a great job but the one he preached at AWA Convocation was a little confusing.
thats all AWA has as good preacher
Bro. Zuniga but is Pastor Zuniga really from the AWA or is he G12.
Fullerton sounds bitter about Solomon.
Its funny how you christians judge an organization based on the praise team, mc and choice of song selection.
Word is still word. "Where 2 or 3 are gathered together".
Its doesn't say "Where 2 or 3 thousand are with jamming music, fresh singers, and a good stage show, God will dwell."
That video with the AGA, or AWA SPCA or the WAMA show nothing other than apostolic rejects.
I guess you and your 50 member independent churches are the new refreshing annointing. xa xa xa
That just tells the whole world how shallow and stupid you really are, spiritually speaking.
Apostolic For Life,
are you sure about that what can you tell me about colton apostolic church thats been there for over 30years and still has only 15 members. What advancement is that? they should of close that church instead of closing Baldemars church.
On thursday nite the MC, Musicians and Praise Team from David Zuniga's Churh were supposed to be the ones in charge of the "worship"
Yet they get there 40 minutes after the service had already started and they had some poor brother that looked like that was his first time up there, lead worship. Finally the A team shows up and just like the CT Praise team and Musicians of the AA does, these people had the audacity to go up there and try to lead us into worship. It was a joke!
Saul Avila's message was very relevant to what it seemed the activity was try ing to do and that was to leave RELIGION and enter THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
If you were confused it's because like the man in the bible that Christ healed from blindness that said "I see men as trees" he saw something but it was blurred.
If you've been in the Religious System of the AA and recent;y came out you are exactly like this blind man, you are seeing everything blurred right now!
It was a small version of an anaheim comvention, biut without the crooks.
And please stop singing 70's youth camp songs. Your worship always reveals the last time you had a revelation. I guess the AWA people the last time they had a revelation was in the 70's to the 80's because of the nostalgic worship.
May God Have Mercy On Us!!!!
Eastcoaster,
I enjoy your take. The mentality of denominationalism is such a hinderance to the progress of the kingdom. I once had a conversation with you about Kingdom work vs. Church administration. That conversation opened my eyes as to what I was doing with my own calling. At the end of the day, we are called to serve God and work for His kingdom as we live in this world.
Kingdom Driven
you wish you knew
ju r 2 eh funni. You go to the AWA convocation, sit there are note all the flaws and criticize. What a little man you are. You took time out of your busy schedule to bless us with your presense.
So, enlighten us to your new revelation? Tell us about your new songs you sing.
If you are so new and newly revealed, then share with us.
If you and your church are so this and that and the AWA are so backwards, then why do you come back?
I'm not the one that got up there on a soap box and start yelling "Move Over AA, here comes the AWA!"
If you have a product and you feel that the competitor must move over you better have a better product, offer and marketing.
But didn't Josh Bayne come in here after the 2007 AA Convention and give an unbias report on what he saw and experienced and all of you guys gave him a standing ovation. But as I remeber he didn't do anything different to what Fullerton@work or myself are doing and your panties are all knotted to a bunch..
I guess this isn't an unbias blog.
Okay I guess I must sing the praises of the AWA and their myopic vision.
WHATEVER!!!!
You wish you Knew sounds like you wish you knew too that's why you went to the AWA function to see what information you could gather to take back to those that tend to think they know it all. Don't forget the AWA learned from the so called best the GB members. Remember those famous words? Of course you do. No one than Daniel Sanchez and the gang who quoted those words.
you wish you knew
where's your church? who do you fellowship with? please tell us so we can send people there to take notes.
that way we know how to model the perfect service after yours.
My email is on my profile and would love to give you our church address and times so you can come and sit in with us and if you need to take notes on ministry you are welcomed.
But come with a Kingdom Mentality not a Pharisitical One!
you wish you knew
no email on the profile
My Bad! There now it's accessible to you!
Oh and no one ever said it was a perfect service.
All I was trying to convey was that why start an organization in the 21st century, when it still looks like a mid 20th century one.
You might say that's all the leaders have known all their ministerial life. But from the time tey left, decided to start this couldn't they have gone and seen a different more relevant structured service.
Oh you wanted to know who I fellowship with well I fellowship with Damon Thompson, Larry Johnson, John Arnot, Jack Hayford, Noel Jones, Tudor Bismark, Randy Hand, Jeremiah Wright
Now this is the conversation we need to be having. I believe in my heart of hearts most people on this blog want resolution. Maybe I’m giving church folk to much with that statement, but I feel full of grace today. (LOL) On other hand there are those folks who just want to be right. This group includes lay members, pastors, and bishops from the AA and the AWA. There is a serious problem with wanting to be right over being righteous. If resolution is not your purpose then you don’t have the Spirit of Christ. The kingdom concept helps to settle these issues because it gets individuals out the way and establishes the need for one body. Just think if we remove our nasty attitudes, ideas, prejudices, or accounts of the story from the equation. What we would have is Kingdom Order. That’s the problem, we are out of order. Not because of different fellowships or organizations but because we don’t understand the purpose of the Kingdom.
Thank You Eastcoaster.....it's about the Kingdom of God.
But all i was trying to give was a report on what I saw this past weekend and give it unbiasly.
The Tri-Unified Prophets are going to Prophesy over this matter of the AWA soon.
In the near future, the Tri-Unified Prophets of Prophet Montenegro, Prophet Romo and Prophet Aguilar will meet and unify in a unified prayer to take a strong hold of the strong tower that has the church bound to the sins of your fathers.
Its those sins that bind the church from growth of eternal celestial revelation.
The Tri-Unified Force will be with you at End Time Restoration and give you a double dose of the holy ghost.
You wish you knew: I could also say I fellowship with T.D. Jakes, John Olsteen, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long and Chuck Swindle, but how would you really know if you don't know me much less seen me with these men. Just a thought!
Then why u ask who I fellowship with if you're not goin to believe me!
Hey I beleive you fellowship with the people you mentioned, if u weren't so sarcastic.
These are connections I made in Seminary and now we fellowship.
REMEMBERING
It is not Chuck Swindle it's Swindoll....
Swindle is Pacheco, Sanchez, Valverde and company.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
remembering,
dont let the AA know you fellowship with these men of God, cause if they find out they will excummicate you just like they have done to other AA preacher who have preach or sing at other denominations. just ask Ralfa Mendez if Pastor Eddie Pacheco was ok with hiim going outside of the AA.
What is the diffference between Apostolic Global Alliance and
Apostolic World Alliance?
Are these 2 difference Organization that came together after some Ministers from the AA lynched?
Chumina
I am from the Southern Ca District
I am an hermana
For those folks who are promoting the Kingdom Concept it is important that you don't allow your concept of church to cloud your vision. Maybe AWA or AA worship/structure is not your cup of tea, but to say it is dead or lifeless is out of bounds. The idea of the kingdom is that we can be of one spirit but yet have uniqueness. 1Cor 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. So your impression may be that the AWA is still in an old season while someone else feels totally liberated. This does not excuse any movement from following basic biblical principals. It just means that your idea or concept of church is not the only way. I will say living in America during this particular season certain concepts of church make it increasingly more difficult to raise healthy Christians and grow healthy churches. While I may choose a more modern idea of ministry There are still people who can better connect with churches who may seem in my perspective to be out dated or stuck.
Php 1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
Php 1:17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
Php 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
AGA stands of Apostolic Global Alliance
A few of the ministers come from the AA but not the majority. This Fellowship was not formed soon after these men left the perspective organizations. AGA initial purpose was to build a place of fellowship for Independent Apostolic Churches. No strings attached real men and women who just want to grow the Kingdom. We'll accept anybody. you don't have to leave your organization, friends, family. We just want to join forces to build the kingdom. Check out our website for more info.
Apostolicga.org
Noticed I have not made any attemps to promote AGA. That is not what AGA is about. We're Kingdom.
ask yourselves one question,
why didnt the AWA churches just join the AGA. The way i see it because AGA has its leaders and Baldemar, Solomon, Saul Avila etc arent part of the leadership. Is the AWA really for the Kingdom or is it just to sock it to the AA.
You wish you knew, did I hit a nerve? My intentions were not to offend you afterall I am sure you have mispelled some words in your lifetime unless your one of those who thinks they know it all but come to think of it you wish you knew it all!
Rembering,
whoever u are, you're comical.
Have a good day! Have stuff to do.
It takes a lot to hit a nerve with me.
Hopefully one day we'll meet and hang out.
Whenever you're in the Dallas area..okay.
May God Have Mercy On All Of Us
I love my crabbie patties, there are none like them
I love my donuts more though. speaking of donuts...
There are many on here that claim to have visited the AWA Convocation; you wish you knew, fullteron@work, etc
and yes I agree that they have. I can tell you right now, it is apparent that brother campos does not have his family support
a majority of Ontario AAFCJ church was there to only take information, in lay man terms (in case they don't understand) "spy"
these are prime examples of bitter people from the AAFCJ
.i need a donut, alot of talking
their spirits are withered and disturbed by the anointing they seen and felt
it is this very spirit that controls the mind of some of the people of the AAFCJ
how weak minded and incompetent are these people that they set such an example for the AAFCJ
.mmmm good donut
I enjoyed the worship because instead of singing old songs, new songs came about from Israel Houghton, Martha Munizzi, MercyMe, and many more.
I didn't know these artists were from the 70's and 80's.
Your bitterness is revealing a side of the AAFCJ that will encourage others to join the AWA and other independent associations.
Keep being an instrument of evil works, your hard work will only reward those you hate
TO ALL BLOGGERS:
The following was written for the following purpose. It was emailed to me so I could post it in this blog.
The following letter is written with the specific purpose of totally and completely disassociating my person and my ministry with this unstable person blogger known as FACTSONLY1. It has come to my attention that this blogger has included myself and my ministry as a Tri-Unified Prophet, that is supposed to Prophesy over this matter of the AWA.
I would like to say that any present and future references this person makes regarding my name and ministry is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY false! Our ministry is biblically and scriptutally based and WOULD NEVER be associated with the rantings of such a person.
Please, do not take the rantings of this lunatic as a representation of the people I work with, live with, fellowship with, or associate with! Our purpose is to UNITE the fellowship of the saints, to work and battle together the forces of darkness that come against the church.
Again please accept my utmost apologies if at one time or another you thought this blogger "FACTSONLY1" repreesented any part of my ministry.
Thank you for your nsupport and prayers, and may the Lord richly bless all of you!
Rev. Steve Montenegro
Surprise, Arizona
i was there on thursday
and it was ok , not alot of people
but idont know what happen in the meetings, the outlook for the future, how are this apostolic churches going to grow. If they are going to be all taliban like the assembly is.. Time will tell if this movement is growing or will get stuck in the old ways only looking out for money and power and talking about what God did in the past and not in this present time. Hopely they wont have any more preachers that will condemn you to hell for not wearing a velo
o heres my question.. how is hoyer good future leader if its well known that he takes orders to black ball preachers over assembly matters? now that pastor from union city, is he still picking up 5000 dollar offerings? dang how is he not a yes man if they make sure that when the mesa directiva enters endtimes that they all walk in at the same time? like yea we are on top of the food chain!!!
Ed,
what i saw on thursday is that the congegration didnt accept the worship when montebello church was singing. Why? cause they didnt have the LOOK that everyone else did. There is too many differences among the members and not everyone is ready to accept.
As for as I know Pator Munoz and paul Guttirez are not part of the AWA and they were there at the AWA convocation according to what you have mentioned are you calling them spy's as well or were they there to see if that organization is something they would join?? As far as i know they have no plans to leave AGA to join the AWA.
To back the days... Im with you on the whole praise teams getting their freak/Drink on after a convention service... wait actually somtimes during the service when the rest were out of the room. They would just fix the bow tie and clip the curl that fell out of place. So sad but very true.
Talk about a yes man, Prophet romo is one of 7 bishop emritus that the gb asked for advice on what to do with the big four. Prophet romo sided with the gb to get rid of the big four.
I know of some folks that went to the AWA services and said of Solomon's bitter speech. I agree with the most of you, whats done is done, lets move forward and upward.
REMEMBERING:
You need to know what you are saying before you even talk. Pastor David Zuniga is not a man of character. For years he had his own deal going and was secretly devising a plan to leave the assembly while stashing lots and lots of money away from money "the church" would make from sales of electronics donated to "the church" from La Curacao but he would pocket the money. How else could that brother have purchased a mansion for $1.5 million up on the hills and be driving fancy cars? He was and is only a pastor. How on earth does a pastor have the money for such things...furthermore, he had palnned on leaving the AA for a long time because he was just a money hungry and did not want to be giving up what he thought was his money to the GB, but in fact was the churches money!!! Now I am neutral to all that you all talk about and just as AA may have some corruption and men that are not stand up, so do the AWA and any other organization you can ever imagine....because in the end, ultimately we are all men. Again I say, these men never stood up to anybody because they waited many many many years to ever do anything about.... Bishop Baldemar, while he was getting paid a pretty hefty salary from all of those Flor Azul & Faithful Stewards & Diezmo de Diezmos & Fund Raisers upon Fund Raisers, that I was very much a part of, NEVER SAID A SINGLE THING....When I was the youth leader of my church, during Baldemars Tenure, I remember being told by our Pastor that the youth department had to come up with $1500 for the year and we were a very small church with perhaps 10 young people and all that money would go straight into Bishop Baldemar and all the GB then....Much like is happening now.....However, once the source dried up, Bishop Baldemar got "divine revelation, inspiration & courage" to stand up to "these tyrant" we know as the GB. Brother, please.... I personally no longer am a part of the AA but that was by choice and left in Good terms with a letter and everything and like most of you, have not bad mouthed the AA or any other organization for that matter........UNLIKE MOST IN THIS PLACE...MEN OF CHARACTER.........PLEASE!!!
All this trash talk but it is okay when your assembly disassembles you are more that welcome to join the AWA.
I can't believe that Solo's would stoop so low and make a statement using Prophet Montenegro's name.
For your informative information, Tri-Unified means three Prophets that are unified in purpose and one accord for the unification and edification of the sacred apostolic church.
Prophets Romo, Aguilar and Montenegro are close friends and close ministers who share in the divine and holy purpose of unifying the sacred and holy apostolic assembly accross the southwest in Arizona, Texas and California.
These Prophets of the lord are unified and have even preached in conferences together. The prophets unified in purpose and I give you the Tri-Unified Prophets.
To deny that purpose is to deny the cross. What kind of Chriatian Prophet would deny Christ?
Solos, nice try. But I rebuke you for impersonating a prophet!
Its the new generation of apostolic prophets that are unifying the church of the old timer ways of divers divisions who are unified in purpose and in truth!
May the Force of the Tri-Unified Prophets be with you!
Amen!
JLCJR06: How is your comprehension in reading? If you read my comment carefully you'll see that I am referring to Pastor Abel Torres and not Pastor Zuniga. Just thought I point this out to you.
Quote;
Pastor Abel Torres spoke about moving on but not forgetting the past. He said "he was not willing to forget the past because though we don't agree on how things are being done in the organization we were in I refuse to forget all my father "Valentin Torres" accomplished as pastor and all he taught me within the organization. It is there where I was taught to know and love God. It has not all been bad but good things have also come out of it."
Awesome sermon! That says a lot of his character.
JLCJR06: In case you just jumped on the bandwagon you might want to do some homework and read in the Apostolic Letters of this man who's name is Abel Torres. This is how it all begin. He was the one with the guts to stand up to these tyrants called the GB. He my friend was the "whistleblower." He lost a lot more and he wasn't even running for any position he just told the truth.
So many donuts, so many haters
so what if Salomon preached the truth from the pulpit
that's what's wrong with the AAFCJ members, they want everything sugar coated
they can't handle being reprimanded, obviously they couldn't even handle being questioned
if they did know how to handle truth, there wouldn't be an AWA right now
donut mush, brain mush
you call Salomon's speech bitter only because you speak with ignorance
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
patrick,
By now, I believe eveyone and thier granmother knows what transpired. I honestly would want to hear that at this very important event. As I said before whats done is done LETS MOVE ON.
Everyone that is writing rubbish
in this site grow up the only thing you should all be talking about is JESUS!!!!!! That's the problem with AA and AWA it's a competition to them and to all of you in here to see who is the best.
Go to your friends or your relatives that are not saved and speak to them about JESUS not complaints or fullishness, that's why God doesn't overflow these churches with his full anointing because you are focused on something else other than him!!
To all bloggers:
Greetings:
In the precious name of the Lord Jesus.
Sad, as it may sound, you will never see again a General Convention held by the AA, as the conventions that were held in the past 30 years.
Never will you see the magnitude of Apostolics again as in the Anaheim Coventions.
Why? Because the Honorables, "MESSED" it all up with the BIG "MONEY ISSUE"!!!!!
"MONEY, MONEY, MONEY AND MORE AND MORE MONEY".
In order for a church to be considered.,PROSPERING....IT IS NOT ABOUT SOULS, IT IS ABOUT "MONEY"....
BUT THE "HONORABLES" HAVE TO SEE THAT THIS IS A THING OF THE LONG PAST!!!!
"PEOPLE ARE TOO INFORMED AND WISE NOW".......HONORABLES!!!!!
PEOPLE WILL JUST NOT GO ANY MORE...
THAT IS WHY VALVERDE ETCS., ARE ONLY HOLDING "MINISTERIAL CONVENTIONS", BECAUSE THE PASTORS WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THE MONIES.......
BUT THE PEOPLE WILL STOP....GIVING..AND LEAVING WITH THE AWA CONVENTIONS.
First of all...too many "Little Kingdoms are being created>>>>!
Beginning with the UPC, NOW PERMITTING MEXICANS, AND LATIN AMBERICANS IN "THIER LITTLE KINGDOMS" OF "THEIR HISPANIC MINISTERIES." NOW THAT THE LATINS ARE "EARNING MONIES...."BRING THEM IN.......
SO ALL THAT WAS SAID ON THE CONVENTION OF JANUARY 23,2009, WAS VERY SAD.....i KNEW BISHOP SALOMON SHOULD NOT HAVE EVER MENTIONED THE AA....
FIRST BECAUSE BISHOP SALOMON SHOULD HAVE NEVER, "GIVEN THE TIME OF DAY TO THE "HONORABLES"...
THIS WAS WAY "OUT OF ORDER" IN A SERMON, THAT WAS "TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT"!!!!!
WE ALL KNOW THAT THE "HONORABLES" ARE DEPLORABLE,
WE ALL KNOW THE HONORABLES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE "EXPLOITING, THE MEMBERS, THE PASTORS AND THE ELDERS AND BISHOPS.....
"DORCAS" FLOR AZUL AND MANO A MANO" ETC., USING THE MARRON WOMAN AND THE SANTA..
WE ALL KNOW THIS...
BUT THIS TOPIC SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN "REFERRED TO" BY BISHOP SALOMON....BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY TRUE TO THE FACT THAT THE "HONORABLES" ARE "HORRIBLE" INDIVIDUALS. I FELT VERY SAD THAT WE HAD TO HEAR ALL THE DETAILS OF THE "LYNCHING" IT IS VERY SAD...HOW CRUEL THE "HONORABLES ARE AND WERE" WITH NO LOVE OF GOD, WHAT SO EVER FOR THE BRETHREN....LYNCHED...
IT WAS BAD ENOUGH THAT WE HAD TO HEAR AT THE LAST AA CONVENTION ON THE "TALK" VALVERDE DID ON THE CAR HE PURCHASED TO "SHUT" UP" HIS WIFE, THE bENZ...
AND BAD ENOUGH TO HEAR ALSO THAT NIGHT THAT SANCHEZ, IS VERY ILL AND "FAINTS" ALL THE TIME AT THE GENERAL OFFICES...
MAKING VALVERDE MAKING HIMSELF AS VERY , STRONG AND WELL AND SANCHEZ THE "FEEBLE AND ILL ONE"
VALVAERDE IS SURE SHURDE!!!!!
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TO JLCJRO6 ON BROTHER ZUNIGA...
BROTHER ZUNIGA TOOK ENOUGH OF THE AA, AND ITS EXPLOIATIONS...
WHY DON'T YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE "HONORABLES" "MONEY ROLLSSSSS" THEIR DOUBLE SALARIES FROM THE SALARIES OF THE GB AND THEIR CHURCHES....
WHY DON'T YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE ONES IN TEXAS THAT HAVE THE CHURCH PROPERTIES IN THEIR "OWN NAME"....AND OTHERS IN THE AA CANNOT.....??????
IF ONE CAN, ALL THE OTHERS SHOULD ALSO.....
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THANK YOU "ED" ON THE COMMENT ON THE UNION CITY PASTOR, THAT HAS CONTAMINATED THE CHURCH WITH HIS OFF SPRING ON THE "FLORERS" AND NOW SOMEONE TO PUT HIM IN THE "gENERAL BOARD"!!!!!
HOW IGNORANT SOME PEOPLE CAN BE!!!!!
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THE AA HAS REACHED THE 'BOTTOM OF THE BARREL" WITH THEIR MUSIC...
THERE ARE NO LONGER "CHRIST CENTERED SONGS...
ALL "REMOLINADO", DALE AL diablo EN LA CABESA...AND SONGS THAT HAVE "NO CHRIST CENTERED MESSAGE"
SANCHEZ HAD PHIL SAENZ FROM HERE IN LAKE ELISORE, AS ONE OF THE MC.AT THE LAST CONVENTION OF THE AA..
BECAUSE PHIL SAENZ HAD BEEN ONE TO "LYNCH" BISHOP BALDEMAR.
PAY BACK..."PHIL SAENZ..."
AND PHIL TOOK THE BAIT!!!!!
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FACTSONLY: YOU DO NOT KNOW IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE "TALKING ABOUT"..
YOU ARE SO OUT OF "BASE" YOU HAVE NO CLUE, NOW OR EVER....
You defend the "honorables" go and see the new mansion Sanchez is building on Citron street in Anaheim on the property he "stole from the Romero"s children...."
Sanchez has no "fear nor love of God" to have done this to this poor family....!!!!
Wow....Sanchez will surely pay....
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"Cowboys:
All the four ex bishops that Sanchez had their opinions on to "lynch" the Brethren, Baldemar, Mendoza, Avila, Torres and Salomon, these 4 have a "long trail" of issues with their families they need to take care off,especially Quiroz, and Alvarez, they are both extreme legalists.....
Poor men.....They are so "blind to their "own issues".....
(with their own off -spring)...
NO MATTER WHERE THE CONVENTIONS WILL BE SUMMONED BY THE AA, AND BELIEVE ME VALVERDE CANNOT SLEEP, WHAT TO DO,
BECAUSE THE APOSTOLIC WORLD ALLIANCE WILL HAVE CONVENTIONS, SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE ONE YEAR, AND PEOPLE WILL JOIN THEM FOR THAT SCRIPTURE...
"MIRA CUAN BUENO Y CUAN DELICIOSO ES ABITAR LOS HERMANOS IGUALMENTE EN UNO!!!!!!
SO WHAT YOU GONNA DO....SAM????
CAUSE WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE THE "MENTALITY"BEHIND ALL THIS, AND ALSO THE REST...
ITS NOT ABOUT "HOLDING CONVENTIONS", ITS ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WILL BE FOR YOUR POCKET!!!!!
THIS IS WHY SAM HAD TO LET SEVERAL OF THE GENERAL OFFICES "GO", MONEY IS NOT COMING IN, AND SAM IS PLANNING IN "MOVING THE OFFICES" OF THE "HONORABLES" TO HIS NEW BUILDING....
TO EITHER "SELL" OR RENT THE GB OFFICES IN CUCAMONGA.....
HOW DO YOU LIKE THIS...
WHO GIVES HIM ALL THIS AUTHORITY????
GUESS WHO??????
"HE HAS COME, TO DESTROY AND DEMINISH THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED......
IT TOOK A "TIJUANA" AND "EL CENTRO" CHOLOS TO DO THIS.....
AND WE LET IT......!!!!!!
BUT LETS KEEP ON PRAYING... GOD WILL REMOVE THEM...IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST....AMEN....
THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED IS NOT THEIRS!!!!
IT BELONGS TO GOD AND TO US...THAT WHY IT IS INCORPORATED AS A "NON PROFIT"......
"WAKE UP" "PRAY" WITH CEASING.....
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US.
GOOD NIGHT.
Thats Right...
Get It Through Your THICK HEADS gb And gb WOrshipers...
MOVE OVER AA... HERE COMES THE AWA!!
In Yo Face!
Dont you all enjoy how the AA has TO sEND People TO Spy?
But did you notice how they weren't asked to Leave... The AA KICKS People out... THE AWA Welcomed ALL....
hey lugo... when are you going to visit The San Berdino 6th Street Chruch Again? ISnt that your job ... to visit churches in your District? tsk tsk tsk...
btw... I've Got a SPECIAL list that is coming y out soon....
has to do with the We Care We Share Program... MAN LUGO OLD PUDGEY BUDDY... YOU BETTER Hope That THE Older Dorcas On THis LIST Dont READ THE BLOG... maybe ill make a pamphlet instead... hmmmm....
TO ALL BLOGGERS:
The following letter is written with the specific purpose of totally and completely disassociating my person and my ministry with this unstable person blogger known as FACTSONLY1. It has come to my attention that this blogger has included myself and my ministry as a Tri-Unified Prophet, that is supposed to Prophesy over this matter of the AWA.
I would like to say that any present and future references this person makes regarding my name and ministry is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY false! Our ministry is biblically and scriptutally based and WOULD NEVER be associated with the rantings of such a person.
Please, do not take the rantings of this lunatic as a representation of the people I work with, live with, fellowship with, or associate with! Our purpose is to UNITE the fellowship of the saints, to work and battle together the forces of darkness that come against the church.
Again please accept my utmost apologies if at one time or another you thought this blogger "FACTSONLY1" represented any part of my ministry.
Thank you for your nsupport and prayers, and may the Lord richly bless all of you!
Rev. Steve Montenegro
Surprise, Arizona
New Video Up Soon...
Bishop Lugo... iT mIGHT sHOCK you To Know How MUCH rESARCH and How Much I have Found Out ABOUT THE we Care We Share Program
To Hamster my brother then why are you here? Shouldn't you be out there telling other's about Jesus. I guess you would like a say so on this blog too!
We Care We Share Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQIV0lW9Q4o
Factso...
Phhfffffiiiittttttt!!!!!!!!!!
Your bubble has been popped. Ha Ha Ha
Your man Montenegro is actually, not your man!!
Thump!!! That was Steve jumping off your bandwagon!!!
Well, now down to a bi-unified prophet situation. Can this work?
I'm wondering if this new generation of bi-unifieds can pull it through for you?
Who you gonna call on next? Batman? Ha Ha Ha
From what I hear, the great bishop felipe lugo is going to be in the church of riverside this coming sunday. Any words of advice for this church anyone?
Does anyoe know who the Pastor for the church of riverside is?
I heard that a group from Bishop Galarza's congregation went to the AWA event and sang. Bishop Lugo might go there and slap the pastor or the group's hand for doing that. If he does, we need to hear about it as this might trigger another "skotty moment"!
Representative Montenegro,
As an elected member of both the Arizona Legislature, and the the Apostolic Assembly National Messengers of Peace, what is your statement on the charges facing your former National Youth President R.A. Maffey?
What is your opinion on your church's organization, the Apostolic Assembly being mired by charges of voter fraud and sexual abuse of its members?
Please answer as a minister of the church and as a elected member of the Arizona Legislature.
to Arizona-Press-Club...
I doubt that Representative Montenegro will validate either this blog or your question with a response.
Dang the true soldier of the asamblea is going to riverside, pobresitos i hope his not going, but from his videos and stories he would call a couple of elders and will show up to any pastors office and yelled at theme, reminding theme that they are puppets that the owner of the church is the corporation.. he would do this to enjoy the power that comes with being called a bishop, a 50000 dollar man that has no true education but has enough good points to excercise dominion over pastors who are afraid of loosing there buildings.
Where is the Money?
Thats all the AA is about now!
Way to go Skotty:
You keep this up and your going to have buy a cheese Factory because of all the RATS your exposing!
Can someone in this forum please inform me as to whether or not Representative Montenegro is part of the organization to which Mr Maffey is a pastor from, the Apostolic Assembly Church in Suprise, Az?
Are they associated in any way?
What is this Messengers of Peace group?
Do they send missionaries to other countries like the Latter Day Saints?
Is this church comprised of mostly immigrants?
Do any of the temples claim to be "sanctuary" churches where illegal immigrants can reside until their immigration status is clarified by Homeland Security?
Az Press Club
You want information about representative Montenegro?
You are from arizona, why don't you just go to his website and ask him there?.
http://www.montenegroaz.com/
All you will get here more than likely is second hand info.
praise the lord
just to make you report some bible rading
(so this place is not completely
a waste of time)
Eze 34:2 Hijo de hombre, profetiza contra los pastores de Israel; profetiza, y di a los pastores: Asà ha dicho Jehová el Señor: ¡Ay de los pastores de Israel, que se apacientan a sà mismos! ¿No apacientan los pastores a los rebaños?
Eze 34:3 Coméis la grosura, y os vestÃs de la lana; la engordada degolláis, mas no apacentáis a las ovejas.
Eze 34:4 No fortalecisteis las débiles, ni curasteis la enferma; no vendasteis la perniquebrada, no volvisteis al redil la descarriada, ni buscasteis la perdida, sino que os habéis enseñoreado de ellas con dureza y con violencia.
Eze 34:5 Y andan errantes por falta de pastor, y son presa de todas las fieras del campo, y se han dispersado.
Eze 34:6 Anduvieron perdidas mis ovejas por todos los montes, y en todo collado alto; y en toda la faz de la tierra fueron esparcidas mis ovejas, y no hubo quien las buscase, ni quien preguntase por ellas.
Eze 34:7 Por tanto, pastores, oÃd palabra de Jehová:
Eze 34:8 Vivo yo, ha dicho Jehová el Señor, que por cuanto mi rebaño fue para ser robado, y mis ovejas fueron para ser presa de todas las fieras del campo, sin pastor; ni mis pastores buscaron mis ovejas, sino que los pastores se apacentaron a sà mismos, y no apacentaron mis ovejas;
Eze 34:9 por tanto, oh pastores, oÃd palabra de Jehová.
Eze 34:10 Asà ha dicho Jehová el Señor: He aquÃ, yo estoy contra los pastores; y demandaré mis ovejas de su mano, y les haré dejar de apacentar las ovejas; ni los pastores se apacentarán más a sà mismos, pues yo libraré mis ovejas de sus bocas, y no les serán más por comida.
Eze 34:11 Porque asà ha dicho Jehová el Señor: He aquà yo, yo mismo iré a buscar mis ovejas, y las reconoceré.
Eze 34:12 Como reconoce su rebaño el pastor el dÃa que está en medio de sus ovejas esparcidas, asà reconoceré mis ovejas, y las libraré de todos los lugares en que fueron esparcidas el dÃa del nublado y de la oscuridad.
Eze 34:13 Y yo las sacaré de los pueblos, y las juntaré de las tierras; las traeré a su propia tierra, y las apacentaré en los montes de Israel, por las riberas, y en todos los lugares habitados del paÃs.
Eze 34:14 En buenos pastos las apacentaré, y en los altos montes de Israel estará su aprisco; allà dormirán en buen redil, y en pastos suculentos serán apacentadas sobre los montes de Israel.
Eze 34:15 Yo apacentaré mis ovejas, y yo les daré aprisco, dice Jehová el Señor.
now you can report for sunday school
god Bless
elias@2
After viewing the youtube video, i did some easy calculations with my donut
and the verdict is...
there should be at the LEAST $20,000 in that program. This figure is not based on interest acquired for the 20 yrs.
one thing is obvious, it definitely didn't go to gastric bypass for these ol yellers...
i would pass up gastric too if it meant i couldn't have my donuts, who needs gastric when all you have to do is use the money from the Dorcas group to by a big enough car for your donuts
Para Elias:
Gracias que Dios le ilumino la misma lectura Biblica que Dios me ilumino y escribi en January 10,2009 a las 10:04 sobre El Profeta Ezequiel.
Gracias por haberlo escrito directamente de la Sagrada Biblia, en Espanol.
Pero que lastima mi muy amado hermano, que DIOS LES HA ENTREGADA A UNA MENTE DEPREVADA, A "LOS HONORABLES", Y A TODO EL CUERPO MINISTERIAL QUE ESTA CON LOS "HONORABLES"
podemos ESCRIBIR DIA Y NOCHE Y ESTAN BIEN CERRADOS, POR EL HIPNOTISMO DE "LOS HONORABLES".
NO SE LES HABRE LA inteligencia a LOS PASTORES, OBISPOS, ANCIANOS, Y OTRO DIRECTORES DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS INCORPORADA..,
MUCHO MENOS A LAS "DORCAS" QUE ESTAN ENBELEZADAS, Por GEORGINA Y SANTA, Y FRANCISCA ETC.,
QUE LAS OFRENDAS, DIEZMOS DE DIEZMOS Y LA FLOR AZUL, MANO A MANO ETC., NO LLEGA A LOS DEPARTMENTOS QUE DICEN LOS "HONORABLES", QUE PIDEN ESE DINERO...PARA ELLO.
LOS DINEROS SON REPARTIDOS """"PRIMERAMENTE"""""" PARA LOS SALARIOS DE LOS "HONORABLES" Y SUS "TARJETAS DE CREDITO FINANCIERO".
Y PARa COMPRAR MERCEDES BENZES, BMW Y CARROS COSTOSOS, QUE CON ESE DINERO SE PODIA LOS MINSIONEROS COMPRAR "VANS" PARA TRAER "ALMAS" A LAS IGLESIAS, EN EL CAMPO MISIONERO,
Y TAMBIEN PARA COMPRAR TERRENOS PARA EDIFICAR TEMPLOS....
Pero LA "AGENDA" DE LOS "HONORABLES" NO ESTAN ALLI EN LAS NECECIDADES DE DEJAR Y EXPANDIR LA ASAMBLEA, SINO LA "AGENDA" ES PARA MAS Y MAS Y MAS Y MAS, Y MAS MUCHO MAS DINERO PARA "LOS HONORABLES"......
MUY POCO PARA LOS MISIONEROS, Y NO DAN REPORTE DE QUE TANTO SALARIO RECIBEN POR MES.. NI DE SUS SALARIOS DE LOS "HONORABLES" DE SUS DISIGNADAS IGLESIAS.
SEGUN VALVERDE, "LA MAQUINA MENTAL DE ESA "HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA",
ES DE ILMINAR y NO GASTAR EN CONVENCIONES...
SOLO TENER CONVENCIONES "PARA LOS MINISTROS" Y ASI RECOJER TODOS LOS DINEROS,
SIN TENER QUE "ENTRETENER" A LOS MIEMBROS EN GENERAL DE LA ASAMBLEA.
ESTO SERA PARTE DE DIOS.....??????
PARA QUE UN GRAN "EXODOS" DE PASTORES Y MIEMBROS SE UNAN CON LA NUEVA CORPORACION
ALLIANCIA, APOSTOLICA DEL MUNDO....
En Ezequiel 34: esta todo lo malo que estan haciendo.....hace mas de tres mil edades que DIOS LE DIJO AL PROFETA EZEQUIEL;
"HIJO DEL HOMBRE PROFETISA""""!!!!
Pero TAMPOCO ISRAEL OYO LA PROFECIA
Y MIRE LO QUE HASTA AHORA SUFRE "ISRAEL".....
PERO LOS "HONORABLES, PASTORES, OBISPOS NO OBEDECEN A DIOS SINO ASI MISMOS.....!!!!!
BIEN DICHO ELIAS........GRACIAS....
no salio de nosotros...sino que es 'PALABRA DE DIOS EN EZEQUIEL 34.......
QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS Y NOS BENDIGA, HAGA RESPLANDER SU ROSTRO SOBRE NOSOTROS AMEN...
BUENAS NOCHES.....
To Scotty:
I wrote "good night"...because its rather late...but I wanted one more try to get to your U-TUBE...
What do you mean "WHERE IS THE MONEY?????????????????????????????
"TO LUGO, MAFFEY ETC.,
"THE MONEY"?????? MAY I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS TO ALL? IS WITH THE "HONORABLES".
DO YOU IN ONE MINUTE THINK IT WAS FOR ANYTHING ELSE?????
P L E A S E---------!
OR THAT THE "HONORABLES" ESPECIALLY THE "CHOLOS" FROM TIJUANA...VALVERDE AND PACHEO, AND OF COURSE ALSO ALL THE MAFFEY BORN AND RAISED IN TIJUANA....AND "EL CENTRO....SANCHEZ...
WOULD LET "LUGO, OR SERGIO GET AWAY WITH KEEPING THE "MONIES"
LOL!!!!!!!!
"NEVAAAA,"!
AND OF COURSE "JUANITA ALVAREZ, WHO IS IN THE LIST, AND VERY MUCH ALIVE.. USED TO BE DURAN IS THE MOTHER OF "VINCENT ALVAREZ THAT WORK IN THE GB OFFICES...
SANCHEZ "RIGHT HAND MAN".....
THAT MONEY FROM THOSE PEOPLE WENT DIRECTLY TO THE "HONORABLES".
HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK THEY KEEP UP WITH $10,000.00 PER MONTH SALARIES, AND ALL THEIR BENZES,AND THE AGUILAR'S BEEMERS?????
AND THEIR HOMES......
AND SANCHEZ, BUILDING THE MASSIVE.....HOME ON THE PROPERTIES OF THE NOW PASSED TO BE WITH THE LORD
"BROTHER AND SISTER NARCISO AND CARMEN ROMERO...LEAVING THEIR HEIRS, IN THE STREET???
NO SANCHEZ HAVING NO REMORSE!!!!!!!
THINK, MY DEAR SCOTTY.......
YOU ARE VERY SMART....BUT NO BISHOP IN THE AA WOULD GET AWAY WITH "COLLECTING MONIES",
AND KEEPING IT FOR HIMSELF.....
IT GOES TO "COSA NOSTRA"...
I"VE BEEN TELLING YOU OVER AND OVER AND OVER...IT MONEY, MONEY, AND MORE MONEY....ASK AADAM LOPEZ FROM UNION CITY....THE "GREAT COLLECTOR"....LIKE "JUDAS"...
SAD AS IT SEEMS MY DEAR BROTHER!!!!
DO NO FURTHER "RESEARCH"...
NOR ASK SERGIO, OR LUGO....HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK THOSE TWO ARE IN THE "MESA" (BOARD) OF THEIR OWN INTERIOR DISTRICT????????
WHEN EVER YOU ARE IN DOUBT OF WHERE YOUR MONEY GOES FROM YOU LOCAL CHRUCHES...
"SEARCH NO MOOOOOOOOO?
IT WENT TO THE "HONORABLES"
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE TOO SMART TO KNOW THAT .....JUST FIGURE...NO MORE CONVENTIONS, ONLY MINISTERIAL....TO HAVE THE BISHOPS, ELDERS, PASTOR.....BRING IN THE SHEAVES!!!!!!!!
GOD BLESS YOU SCOTTY......
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.....
THANK YOU.......
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US!!!
GOOD NIGHT!
I Blame Lugo Because ...
HE GAVE THE ORDER TO HAVE THE ACCOUNT CLOSED...
ATTENTION... TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN MY NEW VIDEO FOR ANY REASON...
Accoding To Bishop Lugo The Following Dorcas...
ARE D.E.A.D.!!!
Esther Barboza
Guadalupe Beltran
Felerida Barrios
Olivia Carino
Yolanda Gonzalez
Pilar Hernandez
Noemi Jimenez
Margarita Lopez
Georgina Marrow
Irene Pacheco
Ramona Ramirez
Petra Almaraz
Rita Apodaca
Ageda Barraza
Amelia Camacho
Ruth Cantu Gonzalez
Mary Payan
Cruz Helen Tapia
Juana Gaitan
Rafaela Hernandez
Margarita Hernandez
Alma Moreno
Mary Martines
Maria Sarmiento
Georgina Salas
Eva Lerma
Raquel Leon
Mary Lopez
Toni Leija
Ruth Jacobo
Lidia O Nava
Sara Perez
Rita Perez
Maria Rodriguez
Adelina Rodriguez
Angelita Razo
Frances Terrones
Ramona Uguarte
Esperanza Valdez
Juanita Alvarez
Mickey Alvarez
Veronica Alvarez
Diane Alvarez
June Aguirre
Mary Acuna
Pauline Anzaldua
Glafira Bravo
Artemisa Canedo
Loreta Cota
Pricilla Cruz
Maria Castro
Eva Chavez
Feliciana Dominguez
Ruth Durazo
Ignacia De La O
Angelita Garcia
Rosa Florez
Jennie Garcia
Sara Gonzalez
Esperanza Gallegos
Elvira Gamboa
Irma Gamboa
Lupe Juarez
IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE IS ON THIS LIST... AND YOU ARE SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT DEAD...
BISHOP LUGO HAS CLOSED THE WE CARE WE SHARE ACCOUNT...
YOU HAVE NO BENEFITS ANY MORE...
YOUR MONEY IS GONE...
SO IF YOUR ON THIS LIST... AND YOUR NOT DEAD... ASK YOUR PASTOR OR EVEN ASK LUGO OR ANY OF THE GB ... why lugo would even say that your dead???
Will Skotty be at Riverside church on Sunday???
Representative Montenegro,
We have questions for you.
What is the National Messengers of Peace?
What charitable activites does this group engage in, if any?
Was your election to the board of directors of this group at the same time of the accused case of voter fraud?
What is your salary as a board of director of the Messengers of Peace?
Have you disclosed your income from this group, if any, on your tax returns?
Do you recieve "speaking fees" as a minister or board of director of the Messengers of Peace?
Do you charge a speaking fee to those who request you to speak to their group?
What is your association, if any, to Rev. R.A. Maffey, who is accused of a serious sex crime?
While R.A. Maffey was President of the Messengers of Peace group, were you also part of the board of directors? If so, did you have any knowledge or suspicion of any sexual misbehavior on the behalf of Rev. R.A. Maffey?
In your election to the board of directors of the Messengers of Peace, what was your vote tally for and against?
Are the books of the Messengers of Peace open for viewing upon request?
(Php 4:1) Dear friends (bloggers), Paul loves you and long to see you. Please keep on being faithful to the Lord. You are my pride and joy.
(Php 4:2) Blogger2 and blogger2, you belong to the Lord, so I beg you to stop arguing with each other.
(Php 4:3) And, my true partner (blogger3), I ask you to help them. These women (dorcas) have worked together with me and with Clement and with the others (ancianos) in spreading the good news. Their names are now written in the book of life.
(Php 4:4) Always be glad because of the Lord! I will say it again: Be glad.
(Php 4:5) Always be gentle with others(the other apostolics). The Lord will soon be here.
(Php 4:6) Don't worry about anything (votes), but pray about everything (Assembly). With thankful hearts offer up your prayers and requests to God.
(Php 4:7) Then, because you belong to Christ Jesus, God will bless you (AWA, AWB, AWC ...) with peace that no one can completely understand. And this peace will control the way you think and feel.
(Php 4:8) Finally, my friends (fellow apostolicos), keep your minds on whatever is true, pure, right, holy, friendly, and proper. Don't ever stop thinking about what is truly worthwhile and worthy of praise.
Stay Focused
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Speaker times have been updated.
Messages are for the cause of the kingdom.
dang let me ask you a question how can you advance the kingdom of God
if most of the time those preachers at endtimes are yelling there hearts out..YES PRAISEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GOD
HERE COMES LA SANTA MESA DIRECTIVA!!! how can you do this when this type of preachers are from the upc church? since most healthy growth churches have being kicked out by the crooked board of directors... valverde talking about being humble with his 2oooooo million dollar home...the one thing ican tell you is that the worship is great , best singing around but when it comes to kingdom preaching THEY DONT HAVE IT IN UNION CITY!!!kingdom churches have growth, can explain line by line there system of work are not afraid of speaking of finances because they dont have secret finances that not even the irs can crack!!!!
dang i need to relax, i being to union city and there are some good folks up there, besides the ones that you look at and wonder..
guy or something else...
i was behind of those guy singers and i was like DANG SE OYE MEDIO AIIIII, But you could not say nothing cause there friends would be all defensive. i have heard some preachers of the africa and even america who actually save people in Jesus name and preach the kingdom but dont have the taliban teachings of be like us or go to hell. now if you question me who this preachers are do your own research, i dont want to say his a kingdom preachers and have the copy and paste ministry destroying that preacher, and no i don't mean benny hinn either:)
With the way the GB's popularity rating is so low I am not surprised that not one GB is preaching at ENDTIME.
It is surprising that Joe Mendoza is preaching.
We will see if that changes or if he is dropped from the lineup.
So how many continuance's can Richard Buffet submit ?
He is only delaying the inevitable.
And does anyone know who is pastoring the San Clemente Church in his absence ?
Praise The Lord!
To: DJ and InglesConBarreras
I would like to address your "opinion" of Bro. Frank Balboa. I say opinion because that is what it is. You insinuate that he is fake as if you are able to see what is in his heart. I have known Bro. Frank and his family since he was young. The fact that someone likes to be well groomed and is a sharp dresser does not make a person fake. The world always does everything big and grand and they are not serving a God like ours. We should always give and look our best for Jesus. We are the children of a king and we should act and look like so. I visited his brother in California and saw his sister and nephews there. They are a fine looking family. I understand one of them is going to Bible College and secular college at the same time and the other one is a doctor or going to be a doctor.
You also said he kissed butt. What I am gathering from your words is that you are not to speak or associate with anyone from the board or have any type of relationship not even a cordial one of just been brothers in Christ otherwise you are considered a "butt kisser". Before this fiasco with the elections it was seen differently. It was ok to do this. It is ok to admire people who are our leaders or administrator rather it be at work or church or just in general. It is normal. Notice that I said admire not worship.
Your comment in regards to "handouts" leads me to believe you do not know much about him. Well let me enlighten you a bit. Bro. Frank had the choice to pastor a thriving and beautiful church, already established and with a congregation that loves his family very much not to say the area that it is located at. WOW to leave a paradise like is San Jose, CA to follow God's will for his life....there is nothing FAKE about that! As far as handouts, The Lord already had a plan for him and if Bro. Frank was to be pastor in Austin or wherever only God could have determined that and believe me GOD doesn't call it a "handout"!
You also said that it was because of him that Bro. Guillermo Mendoza "retired", let's be realistic here for a moment, Bro. Frank Balboa is not that influential! Bro. G. Mendoza did his share of wrong doing. We have to make these men accountable for what they do. In any case he has his grandson to thank for his "retirement".
Bro. Frank's church IS doing well. Not only has he beautify the building structure but the people are happy. And one more thing, he did not "take" people from other churches, that is the most absurd thing I've read! No one can take anybody anywhere. It would be the same as saying that AWA took a lot of people from the AA. People go where they feel God moving and where they can thrive and grow spiritually.
I am not in favor of everything that is taking place in the AA; however, I do have to say there are some people who do not deserve to be bashed in such manner. Perhaps you should armor yourselves with knowledge about the people you want to speak negative about or better yet maybe you shouldn't speak negative about anyone at all!
God Bless All!
4 Love Hopefully Bro Balboa has repented, But I remember back in the mid 90's when he was dist youth President and the Married Bro Balboa used to hit on my Girl freind at the time. She used to get creeped out. This was not a one time thing.
Maybe he goes to Maffey's seminary?
ForLove:
You are so full of it (I'm not talking about the HG either...)
Frank Balboa did not go to San Jose to Pastor the church his Dad Pastored because the church family voted for the Assistant. Pastor over Frank Balboa.
In fact, we gave him a "going-away" service because he was so sure that he would be the new Pastor in SJ, but what a surprise, surprise, surprise!!!!!!!!!
When I say he took members from other churches. For starters, he brought in a couple from Houston who he installed as his P&W leader. Have I got a story about them, maybe later.
He then bribed the keyboardist from Victoria, TX (the only keyboardist they had) and installed him as Music Minister. This is just the "tip of the iceberg".
He also received several members after Pastor Saul Avila was dismissed from the AA.
As for kissing-up, he wants so much to be the Bishop in Central Texas to get to the GB, that's just that way he has always been.
I have so much "dirt" and if you want it, I will give it to you!
Anyways, Obamanos como cuando pizcabanos, unos pizcabanos y otros dejabanos.
De veras que el chorizo de Monterrey es el mejor!
ICB - Laterz!
4love: Allow me to give you some informaton. If anyone knows and knew this family is me. This young man had good and faithful parents Juan and Tina Balboa who are now with the Lord. What has damaged his character is the GB who have used him for their own convenience as an informant to come against Pastor Guillermo Mendoza. Right or wrong whatever Pastor Mendoza has done according to you it still doesn't make it right. This young man has worked so hard to get to where he's at by the grace of God. The(GB)have dragged him into all of this mess! I just wished he had never got involved afterall the GB is the one who will benefit out of all of this. It surely won't be him.
Brother Frank, don't let these people fool you. Your father and mother were people of integrity who taught you to always do the right thing.
Remembering:
You are so right! Frank Balboa had such great parents! It's sad that he had to be used as a pawn. I know that Frank Balboa has a sincere heart, but his ambition and aspirations to move up the ranks has done him alot of harm. I don't totally blame him, but he must take responsibility for his actions, before it's too late.
Obamonos!
ICB
You know what you all are just so full of it all of you. You say the GB is bad but you all are just as bad as they are. See members are good people sometimes sometimes their are those memebers that just rag on PKs because they can and what are they supposed to do nothing.
You all disgust me. You all just do not understand because you have never had to be on the other side of it.
You just see all the privilleges becase of carnal eyes you all do not even know my best friend was a PK God bless his soul.
I heard many times how the members would talk about him and hate on him.
I am sorry but unless you died for them we have no right to talk about them.
Bro. Frank God Bless you and your wife do not let all these people that are hating on you discourage you and Sister Liz they problem just hate you because the Lord has blessed you and May he continue to do so.
For the rest of you all it surprises me that you all even call yourselves christians because you all do not even act like it.
On another note I know a Pastor's kid left God because of people like you all.
None of us are perfect in the eyes of God so stop give us all that mess about you being right in the eyes of God because sad to say many of you have many skeletons up your closet.
You can say what ever you want about PK but they are only as Bad as the Members kids because even the word of God says tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are. So if pks are hanging out with the members kids.
Make me wonder where they learn their bad habits from
The whole AA church needs a makeover from the leadership all the way down to the members you all need to knock out all that jealousy and hatred out of the church all that ego needs to leave and we actually need to be a God centered church until that happens I can guarantee you all the AA will never be restored until all that is out of the way.
So before you all talk about the PK see how it is to get judged by others it is not to comfortable.
Until we all learn how to really treat each other and truly show people grace instead of reproach.
We might never be able to reach the level God has for us all.
Move Forward do not let you Past dictate you future.
It is time to move on. In church there are three kinds of people those who sit there and doing nothing but complain.
Those who serve but serve only to be a hinderence.
Finally those who push the church forward. The ones who push the church hold it up with prayer.
Many of all lack prayer so we have only become a hinderence.
Many have are only there to see what it going on.
But when a true worshiper who is dedicated and has no time for all this drama gets on his or her knees the church begans to move.
So let us all move forward drop the ego and hatred and move towards GOds purpose.
Let us ask God to help us let it go and move forward.
InglesConBarreras and Rodney King
Rodney King - Are you serious???? Have you seen Sis. Liz? Not only is she a nice looking sister she is also a Godly woman. I guess this would mean I am "hitting" on her right? Well I am not. I have read this about Bro. Aguilar to Bro. Romo and now Bro. Balboa have "hit" on people! It is almost as if you are bitter. For Pete's sake the 90s???? Let's really think about what we say in this blog. We are responsible for what comes out out of mouths or in this case what we type here. Unless you were there and were a witness to something we shouldn't say hearsay. The Lord will make us accountable for our words especially if they are not edifiying ones and cause another one to stumble.
InglesConBarreras - First of all you can refrain yourself from talking to me in such way it is unnecessary. We are adults here and supposed to be Christian as well. Respond to me in the same manner that I addressed you.
Secondly - No one voted an assistant pastor as there was not one in place. Bro. J. Balboa had a Pastor Assistant which is different. Also Bro. Frank's brother is the one who took over the church. From your words I guess you are from Houston since you mentioned you gave him a going away party. With all do respect to you (as another brother or sister in Christ) You really do not know the whole story believe me. There was no "surprise, surprise". He CHOSE not to take over and let his little brother Sammy take over. As far as he "brought" people....again no one can take anyone against their will anywhere. Just like many decided to go with Bro. Baldemar and the others. Same deal. Whoever wants to go goes and whoever wants to stay stays plain and simple. As far as individual stories on certain people I for one do not want to hear them. It is sad when one Christian can not wait to tell "dirt" as you put it on another one of their brethren. God will hold you accountable for that. If what you are saying or going to say does not edify your brother or your sister I strongly suggest you don't say it.
As far as kissing up, you need to define that. I know when someone has a goal in life you work hard and eventually you will reach that goal. What may seemed to you as kissing up may be something else to other people like obedience for example. As the Bible tells us to obey our leaders in place. As in our president, cops, laws, etc.
And even if that was true, which is not, what is it to you? Is no skin off your back or is it? In the world we are ambitious and want to almost always get ahead why can't we do it for The Lord? We should all have that sentiment. I don't because it is not about kissing butt, is a lot of work my friend. I have seen this young man pour his life into this ministry and when I say life I mean just that!
You are seeing our churches, our people suffering and with so much division and you want to add to it. It is time for all of us to care and uplift each other rather you are AA, AWA, UPC, etc. You are not contributing but adding to the chaos by giving "dirt" on your fellow brothers and sisters. You almost sound excited about it. Please do not use those vulgar words that have no meaning in the conversation we are having. (your chorizo comment. They are in very poor taste and show immaturity on your part.
Remembering - I am totally in agreement with you. Bro. Frank is where he is by the Grace of God. And I am not sure about what you mean by the GB has dragged him into. Since I do not like to speak about things where I was neither a witness to or have first hand knowledge I won't comment on it. I do know that Bro. Frank will do the right thing, as you said his parents were people of integrity and I am sure he will follow in their footsteps.
Bro. Frank - I admire your courage and your perseverance. Do not let none of this nonsense hinder or even enter your heart. You have been a blessing to many. I wonder how many some of these people have blessed? Remember that God is FAITHFUL!
God Bless You.
4lovesaid:
True the Bible states we are to love one another, and also to "obey" those in authority.
But my dear Brother obey those in authority in the church that are in God's will and not "EXPLOITING CHURCHES, BISHOPS,ELDERS AND DORCAS, AND CONGREGATIONS..."
AND MAKING THEMSELVES "FAT" AS "FAT PASTORS" AS IT READS IN EZEQUIEL 34!!!!
TO SPREAD THE WORD: I SAY ALSO:
Don't even go there comparing the Women of the Bible in the Ministry of Jesus and Paul's working for God's Ministry, with these three of the "Dorcas"
exploiting in fraudulent elections for over 25 years.....FOOLING THE HERMANAS THAT GIVE THEIR VOTE,AND THE "HONORABLES" DECIDE, WHICH OF THE DORCAS IS "MOST BENEFICIAL TO THE "HONORABLES" MONEY NEEDS.
Just so they can continue to "bring in the heavy duty money" for the "Honorables...""
"LEHAN" Please do not continue to be in denial of what manner the "Honorables" are exploiting the Assembly, and the Ministerial Body.....EVEN IF YOU MAY BE "ONE" OF THEM...OR RELATIVE.
COLLECTING ALL THOSE "MEGA" MONIES IN THE "NAME OF THE MISSIONARIES.."
I CERTAINLY DEFEND BROTHER BALBOA, BECAUSE HE IS LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE PASTORS, WAITING FOR A CHANGE, OF "THE GUARD" OF THE "HONORABLES"///
BUT THE ONLY WAY, IF ANYONE IS GOING TO BASH BROTHER FRANK BALBOA, THEN..."FIX YOUR OWN PASTOR AND BISHOP.."
THEY ARE ALL IN THE SAME SITUATION...
I know hundreds of Preacher Kids that "have never been accepted in the church"..hundreds that have left the Assembly...
We do not have to go far Sanchez are some of those.
also Pacheco, and so will Valverde's and Aguilar's and all the rest.
Sad to say those sons and daughter of those "honorables" know much more than you all can even imagine.....
Their names will are "blackballed" for ever in the Apostolic Assembly and the rest....
That will be the payment "big time"
for the "HONORABLES"....
"TO ED"
SO IF YOU SAW AND KNEW THE DIRTY DEEDS IN UNION CITY AND YOU TOLERATED IT...THEN YOU KNOW WHY THEIR FRIENDS DEFENDED THEM...
IT HAPPENED WITH THE MEN IN GENESIS IN LOTS HOUSE....REMEMBER?
BAD WORDS ARE DEPLORABLE....TO USE...IN THIS BLOGS...
YET, THE "HONORABLES" HAVE LOST THE RESPECT FROM ALL THE ASSEMBLY
BECAUSE OF THEIR "EXPLOITATION, CONTROL, LACK OF LOVE, LACK OF RESPECT AND FRAUD AND MORE FRAUD AND MORE FRAUD.
FOR THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES...
"THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL."
SO DO NOT "WHITE WASH" AND TRY TO SANTIFY THE "HONORABLES"...
READ ROMANS CHAPTER 1 AND AGAIN
EZEQUIEL CHAPTER 34....THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD...
AND IT "MATCHES" "FITS" PERFECT THE DEEDS AND LACK OF LOVE AND RESPECT FOR GOD AND HIS CHURCH AND ITS MEMBERS TO ITS FULLEST!!!!!
DURING "THE REIGN OF HITLER" DURING SECOND WAR 11...
IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR "PRAYER" FASTING OF ALL THE CHRISTIAN WORLD...
AND FOR THE "HARD WORKING" UNDER GROUND...THAT THOUSANDS GAVE THEIR LIVES...
THE CONQUERING OF GERMANY AND THE DOWN FALL OF THE "THIRD REICH" WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED....
THIS MY DEAR BRETHREN IS "SPIRITAL WAR FARE".
THE BIBLES STATES'
"BECAUSE WE DO NOT FIGHT WITH FLESH AND BLOOD, BUT WITH PRINCIPILITIES THAT FLY IN HIGH PLACES.....
THAT IS CERTAINLY SATAN'S AGENDA.....
TO KILL, DESTROY AND DO "FRAUD".....
YOU ARE "FIGHTING" FOR GOD'S CHURCH, AND ITS "VOICELESS" PASTORS, BISHOPS AND MEMBERS....
SO DO NOT DEVIATE FROM THE "SUBJECT"!!!!!!!!!
KEEP PRAYING, FASTING AND WRITING...
EXPOSE THESE EVIL IN THE NAME OF JESUS....
FIGHT FOR YOUR CHURCH AND YOUR CHRISTIAN ROOTS.......
THE LORD WILL SURELY ANSWER US.....
EVEN IF IT MEANS TOTAL "DOWN FALL" OF THOSE "HONORABLES" IN THE NAME OF JESUS.....
ITS IS "HORRIFIC" WHAT BROTHER FELIPE LUGO DID...
WE WOULD HAVE NEVER FOUND OUT ABOUT IF NOT FOR "SCOTTY'S RESEARCH"....
THAT IS WHAT IS CALLED.... "WORKING" FOR JUSTICE, IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS....
SO STOP "MAKING EXCUSES" FOR THE "HONORABLES"
DO MORE PRAYING, AND GOD WILL REVEAL TO YOU THEIR BAD EVIL TOWARD THE ASSEMBLY..
THE ISSUE IS....LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE CHURCH OF THE LORD,
LACK OF LOVE, AND FRAUD AND "LOVE OF MONEY.""""""
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US...
GOD BLESS YOU AND GOOD NIGHT.
4love: I think you know what I am talking about so no need to offer you anymore info. It's a no brainer.
Let me tell you what is next
I am so far out of the AA and have been for a good while.
So please spare me when you tell me I am in denial. Please do not jump to conclusions.
I am telling you that the AA overall needs a change the board has done wrong I know that first hand but the AA people that are speaking out in here sometimes are still in the AA.
IF people really wanted a change why not take a stand and leave the AA.
Why should we linger in it. I will tell you why everyone is hoping that the AA will go back to its original state. Reality check it is never going to happen.
The AA constitution is set in such a manner that those in Power are designed to stay in power/
So if I was being in denial I would have still been in it. The thing about the AA is there is too much ego and not enough God. It is not anyone fault from these current generations.
When something is started off wrong it continues to stay wrong. So this did not start over night.
How do you think the Board knew how to commit fraud it is because it was taught to them.
How do you think the boards beyond that knew how to get away with it, It was also taught to them.
Almost everyone in here I cannot say you because I do not even know you is still in the AA why because they love the system and do not want it to change they just want a chance to change those in power/
4Love wrote:
Bro. Frank - I admire your courage and your perseverance. Do not let none of this nonsense hinder or even enter your heart. You have been a blessing to many. I wonder how many some of these people have blessed? Remember that God is FAITHFUL!
Wow! So Bro. Frank is on the blogs??? Greetings Bro.Frank and regards to Sis. Liz. I have no bones to pick with you. But be careful that the GB find out (and they will!) that you are reading the blogs. That could mean a big black "X" for you.
Seven-T: You are pretty clever! I had a feeling he was the spokesman.
Too bad he knows to do what is right but the power has also blinded him too! And for what? At the end it will mean nothing.
My dear Brother Frank this is going to backfire on you! Sad to see a good young man start right fall into the GB's Web!! Sad,sad sad!!
What's this I hear about the gb selling/leasing the general offices? I wonder who they consulted with in order to do this. Perhaps the five infamous Bishops who they also have in their pockets.
I hear the AWA convention was a huge success.
What's up with Lugo the Axman aka the Executioner, aka the Locksmith? Will he be posing this time around?
I hope he keeps his middle finger to himself in front of the cameras.
If old Malverde doen't have the conscious about selling the Gospel, what makes you think he doen't mind selling the general orifices, I mean general offices.
If old Malverde could, he'd put a Por Venta sign on the Cross and sell it. Then he would get the Shroud of Jesus, cut it up into little pieces and out them on E-Bay.
That orange salesman is very creative you know.
Heck, he would have gotten Ernesto, from the FOT Multimedia to video tape the Crucifiction and sell the DVD for $20.00 per episode.
I tell you, for old Malverde, Jesus is more profitable than those oranges he sold door to door.
And once the general offices are leased or sold what will happen? Where will the board go???? Well of course! They will move into Sam Valverde's church where he AGAIN will double dip by collecting rents for office space. Oh what a tangled web we weave. . . you know the rest!
So yeah, let's keep supporting our beloved GB leaders. Go right ahead.
Somebody please tell me, is this for real?????? Is anybody getting it? Please tell me your not that naive!
Seven-T
I do not know if he reads the blog or maybe that was an assumption that I shouldn't have made. I do know as we ALL know that everything gets around one way or another. I saw where Bro. S. Montenegro was supposedly blogging here. I am not sure if they do or not. I just wanted to throw some words of encouragement his way.
Remembering - You are right in the fact that I know somewhat what you are talking about. There are too many issues though and I don't know which you are referring to. I hope that the GB do not use this fine young man, but if they do, they will have to answer to someone much higher, our Lord Jesus Christ.
LetMeTellYouWhatsNext said, All the pastors are in the same situation. Bro. Frank is just one of them. We have to all remember as well that not one of us is perfect. And many of these young man are always under the microscope. How they dress, how they talk, even how they worship!
Por favor, why don't we try and look at all the good they've done as well! Some of us have done a lot of bad and not even a portion of what all these young man have done.
To Rodney King & DJ
Ya dejense de payasadas y terminen con sus comentarios sucios y de muy mal gusto hacia hermanos como lo son Bro. Frank Y Sis. Liz. Si tienen algo que comentar tengan el valor de decirlo de frente o en su cara. Eso de estar diciendo cosas aqui y de otra decada cobardes!
English:
Stop with your nonsense and be done with your comments that are in such bad taste towards Brethren like Bro. Frank and Sis. Liz. If you have something to say to them or about them have the valor to say it to their face. Saying it here and from another decade is that of cowards!
January 30, 2009 4:01 PM
Good grief, so the gb would actually consider terminating a pastor because a few singers from his church went to the AWA Convention and sang!
Wow, what hatred and envy they must really have for the AWA which appears to be growing by leaps and bounds and is truly being blessed. I hear there were about 150 pastors at the AWA.
idk... i guess lugo wants to appear on camera atleast once a year... lol
Lugo ... We Shall MEET AGAIN :)
If we as members have to accountability of our tithes to our local and then the local church has to give their accountability to the district and general board then where is bishop lugos accountability to us women that are on the list of this program?
what steps can we take to recover these funds?
now, i ask for the help of sis. gorgina marron and sis. santa leon. where are you to help us dorcas? we have been there to support you in flor azul, dorcas camps, love offerings, gifts, and so much more.
will you rise up and repesent us in this matter? will you contact bishop lugo, or speak to your husband sis. santa about this matter. there must be something that can be done!
does the general board know about this account?
Here's one of the best reasons to join the AWA:
You are set free to grow the ministry that God has placed in your heart and GROW the kingdom of God. You find and work with a pastor that is truly under the anointing of God and can help you grow into your ministry. No higher up(s) to censor you just because they don't like you, your families last name, your pastor or his AA politics or church. Freedom to Serve the Lord!! A Real Blessing
IAMREAL
Concerned Dorca:
You probably can't get your money back. Its probably all gone.
And asking Georgie and Santie won't help. They are up to their necks in all this mess, plus keeping Linda in line with whatever they agree too, probably costs a pretty penny in a supply of kristy creme donuts.
If you have any papers of the program, I would go to your district attorney, and file a complaint. Let them settle it, because if u go to Georgie and Santie they will just swept it under the rag like their Honorable leaders.
Seriously!!!
Go to the District Attorney!
Elderly ABUSE!
most of those dorcas are senior citizens!
man...
lugo messed up this time eh?
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Writing to lehan:
Sure....you are "so far out of the AA you think of us every day.
But my dear Brother or sister, you may be "so far out", but you like so many of us "are still bonded".
"so attached" AND I LIKE YOU LOVE GOD'S CHURCH AND MANY MEMBERS....
BUT THE HONORABLES ARE "TINTED"""""
This is not in retaliantion to you., not at all. But just AN observation, why we are all so disgusted and upset!!!?
To see Valverde, Sanchez, Pacheco, Aguilar and Ma in action is truly a disgust that is actually replusive.
Let me tell you why...Because they are so "low class", that they do not care, what is exposed of them, even to the extent that "we can foresee, their diabolic plans of control and munipulation to the "Dorcas", yes they are certainly "elderly".. and that is truly abuse....
The "lies" they formulate to "move the energy, struggles and hearts of the "Dorcas, MOPS, Pastors and Bishops, "using" the bait of "HELPING MISSIONS"...
BY COLLECTING SO MUCH MONIES....
It is very true that this "fraud", was done for years..I once saw the actual list of the "counting of the votes" of a General Convention election held in San Diego, in the 70's.
One Vice President was placed as the"winner" with 9 votes.....
many others had much more!!!!
Now that, 70's so called Vice-President is quite ill and still pastoring, but he still "hangs on ".
He must be in his early 80's.
The other day I went and bought the series of the "god father sequence., three of them..
Honestly after seeing the episodes,I could actually name the corresponding, assignment given in the video, to the same "Honorable"...
The one from Florida, who was fianlly killed at the airport, in the movie. Reminds me of the Old Vice President of the AA in the 70's.
The "god father kills physically", the AA does it religiously.!!!!!!
If you are "blackballed" in any assignment.....its 'OVERAAAAA'...
THAT IS exactly what was done to the Bishops that were lynched.....
"cut and cut out" once and for all....
Brother Nava did that to Brother LLorente, Martinez, Navarro, Pablo Garcia Chavez, Leyba, Grijalva, Isias, Guadalupe Lara, Pantages, and anyone that would "DARE" TO EVEN MAKE A "SUGGESTION".
Valverde did it to all the "young talented and "true preachers" of his generation of Apostolic Assembly Ministers....
He was so jealous that one day in Phoenix convention he started "openly" criticing the young minister that had preached at the Youth convention>>>>>
The jealously was "venegous""...I was "shocked"....He was almost using four letter words.....
Then he realized who he was talking to and got as "red and a red beet."
That is when I kept a close observation on him., and Brothers and Sisters, he developed into a "monster"....
He is extremely insecure, jealous, and coniving.....Wow!!!!
And he wants to be President of the Honorables....
May the Lord have mercy on Us.
If we want a change...we Must stop
'SENDING MONIES TO THE "HONORABLES".
EVEN THE BIBLE STATES.."EL DINERO RESPONDE A TODO."
SEND NO MONEY....AND YOU WILL SEE THEM "SHRINK>"
THE EARLY CHURCH HAD ANOTHER "UNDER-GROUND TOO, AS IN WORLD WAR 11 AND OTHER WARS.
READ "EUCEBIUS" AND"CONCILUS"., ITS ALL THERE THE SAME "EVIL" SINCE THE SERPENT AT THE GARDEN OF EDEN......
PRAY AND THE HONORABLES WILL BE DISSOLVED!!!!
IN THE NAME OF JESUS...
IF THE"HONORABLES" ARE SO RELIGIOUS....WHY DO THEIR WIVES
COLOR THEIR HAIR????????
IF THE DOCTRINAL ISSUES ARE TO CRITICAR BROTHER FRANK AND HIS WIFE....
THEN WHY DOES MA, AGUILAR, VALVERDE, PRADO, MARTIN DEL CAMPO, PACHECO, PERMIT THEIR WIVES TO "COLOR THEIR HAIR????????
WHY.....???????
WHAT IS "ENFORCED" TO THE "DORCAS" SHOULD BE "ENFORCED" TO THE HONORABLES WIVES......
BIG TIME.......
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BELIEVE ME ALL THE PASTORS OF THE AA WOULD LEAVE THE "HONORABLES", NOW.....
IF THE PASTORS COULD KEEP THEIR PROPERTIES OF THE CHURCH TEMPLES.....
ALL OF THEM...WOULD LEAVE...
WITH THE EXCEPT OF THE 4 EX-BISHOPS WHO ARE "TERRIFEID"OF THE "HONORABLES"..
MY SUGGESTION IS FOR ALL THE PASTORS TO CONTACT BROTHER JOEL MONTEZ IN HOUSTON....HE HAS THE PROPERTY OF THE CHURCH IS HIS NAME...
SEE "LETTERS@APOSTOLIC.COM...
IT IS THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE....
HOW COME HE CAN AND OTHERS CAN"T????? IAM SURE HE WILL HELP YOU PASTORS TO "PUT THE AA CHURCH PEOPERTY, PARSONAGE IN "YOUR NAME", AS HE HAS HIS.....
GOOD NIGHT AND GOD BLESS YOU...
KEEP WRITING.....
THANK YOU "CAMINDO VOY.....REMEMBERING, "DONT'KNOW'
"IAMREAL"
"CONCERNED DORCA" 4-LOVE
"SEVEN-T......GREAT OBSERVATION!!!!!
DISGUSTED....AND"OTHERS"....
SCOTTY, I CONTACTED 4 DORCAS" ON LUGO'S LIST, AND THEY DO NOT KNOW ANY THING
ABOUT THIS.....THEY SAID WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT?
WHY DON'T YOU CONTACT THEM......
GOD BLESS YOU....
GOOD NIGHT.....
Let me tell you what is next.
Most of what you say is no secret. I do understand your distaste for the board.
Many of the things you are saying now and probably will continue to say which I can honestly we have all heard.
I do not mean to be little what you say but I have heard even more disgusting things than what you say. So you are truly not surprising me one bit.
I have a name that could carry me a might long way but I do not feel called to many other areas. So you weak attempts to try and effect me make me laugh.
Let me ask you a question have you joined the AWA or another organization.
Let me also tell you that i still have many family members in the AA so I hear about all that on a daily basis sometimes without even having to ask for it. So your assummptions just seem to make you look more and more uneducated.
NEWS FLASH if you would read above I am not even for the board so please again spare me.
You joined a conversation just a little to late. Also the reason I never used the last name is because I do not believe the last name makes you chosen i believe that is God's decision. Not a last name. So please do continue to make me laugh at your wonderful assumptions as I keep on debunking them.
I am part of your ministry Brother Steve. You have ministered to me so many times. I firmly believe you are a true Prophet of the Lord.
The Lord called your father to minister and that ministry you have inherited.
You are a son of a great man of God. Your ministry as a young Prophet is undenied.
I have followed you. You have spoken true word of God. My faith has been increased because of your ministry.
Brother Steve, how can you deny you are a chosen prophet? How can you deny you are part of a chosen generation?
How can you deny that you have been called to spread the word of God to all the people in high government and high places in society?
You are part of a royal priesthood. You have been called and even commanded to spread the gospel of Jesus to wherever God has placed you.
God placed you in government for a reason.
You can only have one master. Please dont choose the master of this world.
Choose the master of the heavens and the earth. Jesus!
Don't turn your back to your people. Dont turn back to the gospel for the sake of climbing the ladder of corporate greed and secular wealth.
Don't be blinded by those who wish to poison your mind and capture your soul.
Be a strong Prophet and resist the temptations of the devil.
Don't become like the chameleon who changes his appearance when he changes scenes. Don't change brother! There are no chameleons in heaven!
I beg you brother, be part of the new generation of apostolic prophets that are changing the church. Don't become the chameleon and lose your apostolic royal priesthood.
lehan:
Don't be defensive with me...
We have prabably crossed each others paths many times....
But I still insist your are MOST CERTAINLY... "bonded" and "attached",to all that concerns the "Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Incorporated.
I do not believe you are IN FAVOR OF the "honorables", If you understood me to say that, Iam sorry, I came across wrongly to you.
The reason I keep repeating my self with "same old, same old" old news is because THis should never be forgotten...what THE MAIN AND CERTAIN PROBLEM.....OF FRAUD AND MONEY IS.....
We tend to forget, and push all the mess "under the rug", for ages and ages.
I did not come lately into this blogs...I 've been here since the start, and I see so many that had very informative, discriptive information...to discredit the "honorables", but they too have
"given up"!!!!
Even though you may be miles apart from the "HONORABLES".
We still love God's church, and if you CAME from where I come from, its been a long long time.
True, these "honorables" inherited this "fraud" mess...But I can assure you 'NO OTHER "BORED" MEMBERS have 'EVER BEEN SO MUNIPULATIVE AND SO MONEY STARVED!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE.....MONEY.AND MORE AND MORE MONEY FOR THEIR OWN POCKETS,AND THEIR "LOW CLASS WIVES", WHO NEVER HAD ANYTHING EITHER...AND ARE "RAKING" IN THE MONEY FROM THE "OVER WORKED ABUSED DORCAS", MEMBERS,PASTORS AND ALSO EXPLOITED BISHOPS WHO MUST RULE WITH AN IRON "FIST" LIKE THE lIKES OF "LUGO" AND EX-SELF APPOINTED BISHOP VICENTE ALVAREZ...WHO WAS "MAILED" TO IDAHO, NEVER WAS ELECTED....ONLY NAMED...WITH THE SAME FRAUD....
SO I APOLOGISE., TO YOU IF IAM READING YOU "WRONG"..
BUT IF YOU WERE BORN IN THE AA., AND HAVE FAMILY AND LOVED ONES....
THAT IS THE REASON ....I READ YOU AS VERY "BONDED" AND "STILL ATTACHED"...
AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE BECAUSE THE AA DOES NOT BELONG TO THE "HONORABLES"....
BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU "RUN" INSTEAD OF FACING THEM AND EXPOSING THEM.....
SOMEDAY SOON THE "HONORABLES" WILL BE "HAS BEENS" AND THEN THEY WILL KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE OTHERS EXPLOIT THEM.....
BUT BY THEN THEY WILL BE EXTREMELY WEALTHY, SINCE WE KEEP...FEEDING THEM LOTS OF MONIES.....
WHY DO YOU THINK THE JEWISH PEOPLE,REFUSE TO GIVE UP ON WRITING ABOUT THE "THIRD REICH, AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, AND THE HISTORY OF WHAT THEIR PEOPLE HAVE GONE THROUGH?
WHY DO YOU THINK THE "BLACKS" CONTINUE TO INFORM THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS OF "THEIR SUFFERING, ON THE HANDS OF THE MASSAS?
SO THE WORLD WILL NEVER FORGET...
BUTNO ONE "REALLY CARES"!!!!
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REMEMBER AND REMEMBER HISTORY...
FROM HISTORY YOU FIND OUT THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE....(EISENHOWER).
AND ESPECIALLY "IF YOU KNOW" MORE THAN I DO..
TELL US ABOUT IT, SO WE CAN PARALLEL WHAT YOU KNOW WITH THE "HONORABLES"....BUT I KNOW YOU DO NOT KNOW.....AS YOU CLAIM TO KNOW.
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DID YOU NOTICE "BLOGGERS" HOW "FACTSONLY" COMES IN TO DEVIATE US FROM THE TRUTH OF THE "HONORABLES"...
HE COMES IN AS A PROPHET, AND INCLUDES "POOR STEVE MONTENEGRO"...
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW.....IN TEN YEARS,IF THE LORD TARRIES,
STEVE MONTENEGRO WILL NOT BE ANY WHERE "NEAR" THE ASSEMBLY....
STEVE MONTENEGRO IS TOO EDUCATED AND TOO POLITICAL, AND TOO INFORMED, TO REMAIN IN THE AA....
REMEMBER STEVE IS SALVADOREAN, HIS PARENTS, VERY FINE PEOPLE, AND HIS MOTHER A VERY BRILLIANT WOMEN...
NO WAY EVER WILL STEVE MONTENEGRO BE A PART OF YOU "FACTSONLY"...
HE IS "HIGH CLASS".....AND LOVES JUSTICE AND GOD... YOU FACTSONLY DEFINATELY DO NOT!!!!!
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US!!!
GOD BLESS YOU...
Does anybody out there know the status of the plaintiffs appeal case against the AA? We heard through the grapevine that both sides were told that a ruling was coming down in January and obviously that has passed.
We hear that the plaintiffs are in suspense of this ruling and the AA GB is in agony. They (GB) are hoping that Prophet Arcovio's words at the National Missions Summit in September at Santa Ana does not come to reality.
We just have to pray and wait for the legal outcome.
growing the ministries?
Bro. Salomons church has grown from about 400 that went with to 150. How is that for growth?
Sis. Salomon can sure preach them in.
I really dont' want to dissapoint any of you fans of retribution. There can be no remedy outside of what has already occurred. The seed has begun to germinate.
Whatever the end result the widows will not be recompenssed. The pastors will not be reinstated. The people will not return. The alleged perpetrators will not be punished. And those dissatsified will remain in perpetual misery.
Your efforts should be expended on praying for your local pastor, the brothers in your local Assembly, yout family, your country, yourself.
Why do you concern yourself with the affairs of a few. If it were not for Paul and Peter disagreeing with each other there would be no Mexicans in eternity. Last I heard Chile Verde was not on the approved protein list.
Be happy, the end result will be somewhere for our English speaking children and grand children to minister. This nearly Spanish only organization has been shutting out progress for years.
Maybe now we will finally see an alternative to the UPC. Which has been siphoning off our talent for the last 20 years.
We are nearing the end of the race team. There is no time to join that arrogant bunny on the sideline.
Hey Pedro! Where the heck are you getting your info from regarding Salomons church?
Spread the word...can you elaborate a little on your comment you said "an alternative to the UPC which has been siphoning off our talent" What does that mean? Just curious
Pedro,
Quien sabe de donde sacas esa informacion. Pero habiendo visitado esa Iglesia ultimamente, tal vez no son 400, te aseguro que facilmente son 250. Ahora los 400 de los que habla, los habia mucho antes de la partida de la AA y como muchas iglesias, sufrio algunas divisiones pero no por fue al salir de la AA. Si tiene oportunidad de ver fotos de la Convocacion que hubo en Denver, tal vez vea que la gran mayoria son de la Iglesia del Pastor Salomon.
Dios le Bendiga!
Pedro,
Quien sabe de donde sacas esa informacion. Pero habiendo visitado esa Iglesia ultimamente, tal vez no son 400, te aseguro que facilmente son 250. Ahora los 400 de los que habla, los habia mucho antes de la partida de la AA y como muchas iglesias, sufrio algunas divisiones pero no por fue al salir de la AA. Si tiene oportunidad de ver fotos de la Convocacion que hubo en Denver, tal vez vea que la gran mayoria son de la Iglesia del Pastor Salomon.
Dios le Bendiga!
My comment is not intended to be derogatory in any way. I consider the UPC brethren to be quite honerable. If you understand the siphoning process. The atmosphere creates the pressure. Creating the flow.
The UPC has with almost little fanfaire been the beneficiary of demographic and generational nuances.
They are located in CA, a state whose population is now a majortiy of Spanish speakers. Whose second generation is bilingual, whose third genertion is largely English.
This third generation was more educated, more prosperous, more informed and more displaced. This generation attented English Christian colleges.
Relationships are formed and the students often do not return to their spanish roots.
Hence, the result is a continued exodus of Educated english speakers.
On the other hand since there has been a steady stream of 1st genertion of NEWCOMERS replacing those that leave. Very little organization shift has occured. and as long as the benches are full little thought is given to those that are gone.
The only churches capable of preventing this continued pattern are those having two congregations sharing one facility. But, that has been a challenge for the ages.
Don't get me wrong I think Spanish is great. But, I see this recent development for the good that it may cause.
TO SPREADTHEWORD;
Please spare me not to cry on the comments of UPC:
Apparently you must be very young, or you do not know the history of the UPC with the AA!
Just like the"first" immigrants are the majority now of the AA,
So called Anglo Saxons,
CAME from the "Arkie,Oakies and the Ozarks," form most of the UPC ancestory.
These White necks prejudice people formed the UPC, under the"White Supremacy" of their congregations.
I will not go back too far., but I will tell you that at Aposotlic Bible College in Stockton, under the direction of Brother Cylde Haney Sr.,WHO WAS KILLED WHILE ON A "DEER HUNTING EXCURSION"
IT WAS STRICKLY PROHIBITED AND FORBIDDEN... to "date any "little" Spanish brother of sis., as they call each other the famous "Sis"........instead of "Sister".
Any way...there was so much discrimination at that "So called" Bible College. But since the "little Spanish" brothers and sister wanted to "find" a husband or wife, they went there. But only to be so dissolutioned to see so much hipocracy.....
I WILL NOT MAKE A "GENERALIZATION" AND SAY ALL THE "LITTLE SPANISH BRETHREN' WENT THERE TO "SEEK" SPOUSES...
BUT.SOME OF .....THE "TEACHERS" THEY HAD THERE IT WAS "SURPRISING" IF THEY EVEN COMPLETED "HIGH SCHOOL",
Kenneth Haney "enjoyed" looking at the "little spanish girls", but it was totally prohibited not only by his father but also his mother, who was also the sister in the flesh to Brother Gray, that used to Pastor in San Diego...
Also the baptistry of the UPC churches were never allowed to be used by the "little spanish congregation", because the "little spanish brethren were not disinfected.......
IMAGINE, WHEN THE 'WHITES' CAME FROM THE "OKIES, ARKIES, AND THE OZARKS....WOW!!!!and they wanted to disinfect the "little spanish brethen......WHAT A JOKE.....
Oh but when the "little spanish" brethren started to get an education, and they were no longer working in the "Cherry crops", nor field workers...
And out of "the little spanish" brethren the third and fourth and fifth generation became college AND UNIVERSITY professors, and went into Law, Medical and Professionals...
THE JOKE IS....IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT GOTTENNNNNN IT .... IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE "SECULAR" COLLEGE IAM SPEAKING OF...
IAM TALKING ABOUT A SO CALLED "CHRISTIAN BIBLE COLLEGE" WITH SO MUCH "LEGALISM".. IT WOULD MAKE "LITTLE HOUSE IN THE PRAIREE WOMEN LOOK "SEDUCTIVE".....
THE "BIG" SELF INDENTIFIED" UPC "RIGHTEOUS" HAIRDOS....WHAT A JOKE.....
AND ONLY AS A MEANS AND FORM OF "CHRISTIANITY" AND THE "FAMOUS" JEAN SKIRT....WHAT A LAUGH....
MAY THE LORD FORGIVE THEM AND US TOO FOR NOT SEEING "RIGHT THROUGH THEM"....DON'T FORGET NO JEWELRY, EVEN THE STREETS OF HEAVEN ARE OF "GOLD" AND THE "GATES" OF PURE PEARL....
According to the UPC the thried and fourth generations of "little spanish brethren"s money was by now "disinfected", and even a "Hispanic Ministries" was "formed", so the dollars $$$$$ would "remain" with UPC auspices>>>>>>
The UPC churches, are "family" owned... Yes they have a "local church board of directors, with every year changing one "board" member, But the "so called" fraud elections also "manage" to state that the "board" unanmiously "elected" the Pastor's son or nephew and the "real" truth is that even if they do have a "board", and one "new board member" is brought in yearly, the "REAL ESTATE PROPERTY, THE LOT WHERE THE CHURCH BUILDING IS SITTING ON AND THE PARSONAGE AND THE "BIG GIANTANTIC GYM....OR BARNS...WHAT SO EVER....
IS IN THE NAME OF "SAID PASTOR"....
AND OF THAT PASTOR'S HEIRS...
SO THE "LITTLE SPANISH" BRETHREN worked very hard making, "burritos", tacos, etc., and even "learned" how to make
"peanut brittle", so they "have ARRIVED......
THE UPC BRETHREN WILL NEVER REFER TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HISPANIC CHURCH AS "MEXICANS"....THAT IS EXTREMELY A DERROGATORY WORD....
ALWAYS "LITTLE SPANISH" Brother and Sister...
Sure the "spanish" AS YOU ALSO CALALED THEM...
will very seldom return to the AA, or to their church roots....
Because at the AA mostly are found "first time" immigrants...
Very few first and second generations are found in the AA.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY "LEFT" THE "HONORABLES" WANT THEM 'outtttttttttt and "GONE BECUSE THEY "KNOW TOOOOOOO MUCHAAAAA".
Even the "honorables" THEMSSELVES.....are FIRST AND SECOND MEXICAN GENERATION.....
++++++++++++++++NOTE OF INTEREST....
NO "HONORABLES" ARE FROM CENTRAL AMERICA....
I KNOW OF SEVERAL CENTRAL AMERICAN PASTORS...THAT SPEAK MORE ENGLISH THAN "MARTIN DEL CAMPO, OR PRADO...BUT ALL THAT WERE "ASSISNGED" OR FRAUDULENTLY NAMED ARE OF "MEXICAN DESCENT""
CERTAINLY THIS IS AN INTERESTING POINT...
So the "little spanish" brothers that went to "the american UPC Bible College have assimilated to the extend that they now speak like the "okies, arkies, and ozarks....
"ONLY ENGLISH PLEASE....IAM AN AMERICAN THEY NOW SAY.....
Sure the Upc sent Missionaries to Latin American countries, where they were "treated" as "Royalty",
but don"t bring those "Mexicans" to "their" AMERICAN WHITE" churches as they are found in the Mission field....
So now they "have a HISPANIC" ministry....in ever church....
'SEGREGATION AT ITS FINEST"!!!!!!!!!!!!
KEEP THEM "SEPARATE", BUT BRING IN THE "BUCKS"....."MONIES".....
OH THE "little spanish brethren", say "I GO TO THE AMERICAN CHURCH'
My dear brother or sister.
"AMERICA" IS A "CONTINENT".....
FROM THE TIP OF CANADA, TO THE "CONO SUR".....
I happend to know of a UPC church that the Pastor is so money humgry. His wife wears a complete new "outfit" from top to bottom, matching purse and shoes, every single Sunday.
This particular Pastor has a very SMALL AND "BLUE COLLAR" congregation....
THIS PASTOR even took away the money of the "Stimulous Check", from the UPC members of his congregation....
FOR THE "FOREVER NEVER ENDING" BUILDING FUND.....
There are UPC pastors that have their own "ranches" and drive to church in 'LIMOS'....
AND THEIR MEMBERS BARELY CAN MAKE ENDS MEET....
THE SPIRIT OF "PRIDE" IS JUST AS BAD WITH THE "HONORABLES"..
THE BIBLE STATES: "PRIDE COMETH BEFORE THE FALL"!!!
A "PROUD" PASTOR PROJECTS...."YOU OWE ME MONEY, YOU OWN ME HONOR, YOU GIVE ME MORE AND MORE BECAUSE I DESERVE IT."""""
JESUS CAME INTO JERUSALEM RIDING A DONKEY...."THE HUMBLE TRANPORTATION OF THAT TIME"..
JESUS COULD HAVE COME RIDING IN A CHRIOT", BUT HE WANTED TO SHOW HUMILITY, AND NOT PROUD AND BOASTFUL"""
THEY ARE WAYS TO SHOW HUMILITY IN THIS AGE ALSO.
TO BE CONSERVATIVE, HUMBLE AND CONSIDER THE "WAYS AND MEANS" OF HOW THE MEMBERS WORK TO PROVIDE THEIR "THITHES AND OFFERINGS."
GOD BLESS YOU...
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON THE UPC AND THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY AND ON US....
FOR THE LORD TO "OPEN OUR EYES" AND FOR US TO PRAY MORE FOR "RIGHT AND WISDOM.....
this is a long writing but thanks to lisa from the upc who graduated froma upc bible college. She wrote this article on her webpage and its legalism at its best, be like us or go to hell with the rest of the world..
Lisas writing:
can start @ the beginning or @ the end and it still would make perfect nonsense to me. Either way I am going to say this. I've always been the type to say what I feel if the Word of God backs me up on it so that no ones blood is on my hands. I have been watching for years now literally but more recently it gets more and more disgusting. Does anyone remember the old song that had a line in it: "the church looks like the world and the world just like the church, its hard to tell a sinner from a saint...". Maybe its just me? Maybe I am wrong but I will NOT stand around and merely watch! Ladies in this blessed TRUTH which we have fought for many years to keep alive has been perverted into something so gross, ungodly, charasmatic even!!!! What is WRONG?!?!?!?!?! What is wrong is the pastors are obviously afraid to PREACH TRUTH these days and it is so vitally important that we as a whole HEAR the Gospel even when it hurts! Ladies in the Pentecostal movement are looking so much like those of the regular mainstream christian churches that I literally want to vomit!!!! Just ten years ago I started seeing garbage come into the church so much I was dismayed. But being the youngin I was I wasn't allowed a voice. I am now old enough to have a voice! I will stand for the glorious truth no matter what!!! I mean since when was it "acceptable normalcy" to see ladies on the platform w/ makeup inches (*literally*) thick? Since when did the skirt length change? Since when did we adopt the status quo around us that men should just fit in b/c they don't really have a dress code so they should be able to wear knee shorts if ladies can wear short skirts? SINCE WHEN ladies did it become acceptable to "trim" your Glory??? SINCE WHEN did we step off the truth pedestal and start wearing tips on our fingers? When did it become acceptable to "fit in w/ the world"????? I think it was when someone said: Oh I don't believe that. Or: thats just taking it too far. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU???? I don't like seeing cleavage on my platform! I don't like seeing knees of females in high offices of the church! I can say I left many a church while in Bible College b/c ppl just looked way too charasmatic. Yes I said it I did not studder! Just b/c we DO NOT cut our hair doesn't mean it looks nappy or gross! I like this saying best: You ain't gotta wear no "bun" to Pentecostal!!!! Some ladies rock the bun do seriously but if you have an issue w/ buns wear it another way!!!! This is NOT the time, nor has it EVER been, NOR will it EVER BE, that we should step down from our roles as Pentecostals and cut our hair, wear makeup, wear UNGODLY clothes!!!! This is the time to STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU WILL FALL FOR EVERYTHING!!!!! I chose to be different! ABNORMAL!!! I've been this my entire life I do NOT intend to change for anyone! I will not wear pants, cut my hair, dye my hair, trim my hair, wear makeup, or do anything which looks like the world! The Word of God says: come APART and be ye SEPARATE saith the Lord. What He meant for all those people who can't just grasp it is simply this: the world will always acts upon its lustful desires, whatever they are wearing that looks ungodly or unholy do not do or wear that which they do! People WAKE UP!!!!!! We ARE living in the last days! I know we've heard that for years growing up in Pentecost but it is TRUTH!!!! Are you reading up on the news? Can't you just look around in your own cities and see that the anti-Christ is alive and planning his disgusting rise to power? Get ready for an all out battle!!!!! and the ladies of the ONLY BLESSED TRUTH are under attack!!!!! Look like a LADY ladies!!!!! Remember in the Old Testament when the death angel came to earth in Egypt right before the Exodus of the Hebrew nation and PASSED OVER ALL THE HOUSES W/ BLOOD ON THE DOOR POSTS??????? LADIES!!! CAN I GET YOUR ATTENTION!!!! WHERE IS YOUR BLOOD ON YOUR DOOR?????? If this don't stir you your Holy Ghost is on a leave of vacation!!!!!! Make ready for the Kingdom of Heaven is @ hand!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather look like a lady and go to heaven than go tot hell looking like the world: aka the harlot in the Bible................
It truly sickens me to see ladies looking like the "harlot" as the Bible depicts. Back in the Old Testament where God said: the woman shall NOT wear that which pertaineth to a man and all that do so are an abomination unto the Lord thy God. You ever thought what that means??? It literally means that God looks @ the ladies who look like the world and He gets so sick He literally throws up it makes Him so angry. Now over in the New Testament does it not say (correct me if I am wrong) that If your ashamed of me I will be ashamed of you and deny you. I believe thats what it says! I do not want to do anything which will make my Lord ashamed of me and have any reason to deny me in Heaven!!!!!!!!!!! Ladies LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!! Do YOU THINK GOD IS PLEASED W/ HOW YOU LOOK?????
Food for thought??? Guess I'll just keep amening myself in my amen corner!
wow wrong interpretation of scripture to back up the upc way of thinking
Yea legalism!!!! who cares if everyone goes to hell cause they dont look like upcs
Ed, obviously you are not female and may have a different perspective on what Lisa is trying to say. After reading this, I am "Amening in my corner here" this is exactly what the Pentecostal/Apostolic movement needs is someone to say HELLOOOOOOOO LADIES WAKE UP!!! Chopping of the hair, skin tight clothes, makeup, and other things have crept into the church over the last few years. To an unbeliever or a new convert I can see how they will be confused. As a female, I think that modest dress, no makeup, and uncut hair is beautiful. I can see how people think this is legalism but you have to not think of it that way. In some churches maybe the pastor preaches sleves, skirts, hair to a certain length but it's about loving the holiness. If you love it and love being separated from the world, it isn't a problem to have uncut hair, modest clothing, and no makeup.....Just my point of view but for me, I'm totally in agreement with Miss Lisa who ever she is. God bless her for speaking out!
Also, just becuase your Pastor and many now for that matter do not speak on standards of dress and apperance at one time it was common. When I was a youth, it was very common. It was common to see ladies with knee length hair, no makeup, modest dress, etc. It's not the UPC way of thinking. It's the bible. I have read many books on the subjects of holiness and hair and believe and know in my heart that it's the TRUE word of God, not just personal convictions or someone telling me how to look. In my church, standards are not really spoken of. You just hope that this glorious truth is passed on from generation to generation and not lost.
What about the brothers? How can the look holy/christian?
In the "old" times they were required to wear hats, white long-sleeve shirts, no hair face.
Come on - fair is fair.
Wow it blows me away and makes me very sad to see that some are still stuck on outward appearance and wanting to look like the Amish.
None of that brings you closer to God.
It is funny how all who hold those standards always come off as judgemental and holier than though.
The inner Man and the depths of character that dwell inwardly are what is of utmost importance.
Not wether you look like the amish.
so sad
I see what you are saying. The place thing I do not agree with is if we still have to say that to people that are in their 30's and 40"s then really they have no business being in church. The reason why is once you reach that age you should all ready know and be passing that info on down to your daughters and grand daughters. The church should not have to remind us how to look or dress at this age.
We should already know and be responsible but we are trying to bite into steak when sometimes we can not even drink milk or been trained how to chew.
The problem with these “old time” holiness standards is that they are just that, standards that someone with a lot of zeal for God and NO BIBLE training came up with. Although, there is nothing necessarily wrong with them if you decide to follow them or not, our relationship with God cannot be measured by how ‘holy’ we dress, comb our hair, wear or don’t wear makeup or event act.
Also, most of them, if not all of them, are denominational in their nature. We should not, however, think of them as the way to get to heaven. Because they are not a heaven or hell issue, should we even set a ‘standard’? Most of the time, we as "Pentecostals", choose to ignore certain bible passages that touch on these so called holiness standards. We generally choose to IGNORE THEM. We choose to ignore them because we have not been taught or studied these issues correctly and in most cases, we have never been taught or studied them at all. We just brush those bible verses aside and say that we have been taught differently and BETTER by the old timers and see them as too worldly or secular thoughts. I think that if we really look back and see ourselves thru a reality check, we will be able to see that at some point in our lives, we have just been a bunch of imitators, mimickers if you please. We often just regurgitate what we see or hear and are simply told to believe. Is it wrong? I don’t know, but it can certainly be dangerous.
If you feel that not cutting your hair, wearing makeup, wearing long skirts, wearing your hair up in a bun, etc…. is what is needed, then do it. We should follow what God has placed in our hearts. However, just because you do these things, it does not make you more or less holy or sanctified. It doesn’t make those that DO NOT do those things more or less holy or sanctified either. We are all Gods children.
IAMREAL
Lisa,
I read your comment posted by someone else, I honestly would like to appreciate what you are saying, but you speak so outwardly that it is hard to hear you. You sound very much like a screaming Abel Aguilar and he couldn't save his own daughter from jumping from brown to black! You know Lisa the problem with people like you is that you have been outward to long forget the outer, work on the inner you will discover a new you! The outer only gives you an image, the inner will give you something real something worth living for. Honestly I can't tell the difference between a trinitarian and a oneness woman, until I start an interaction with them. That's when I find out what's inside! Get my drift! Who cares if you don't shave your under arms!
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
THANKS, ED,TROPHYMAN, CAMINANDO VOY....
THANK YOU ED FOR POSTNG POOR LISA'S GRADUATING TERM PAPER FROM STOCKTON APOSTOLIC BIBLE COLLEGE, OR WHAT EVER.
THIS POOR SISTER MUST HAVE BEEN "TRYING TO HOOK" SOME BIBLE SCHOOL GRADUATE...
THE TRUTH IS THAT THE APOSTOLE PETER STATED, FOR THE WOMEN TO DRESS MODESTLY,NOT WITH FANCY ATTIRE NOR ANY DIFFERENT THAN MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS, DORCAS, TABIATHA, MARY MAGDALENA AND THE WOMEN OF THE FIRST CENTURY, CHRISTIAN CHURCH....
NO UPC WOMEN IS DRESSED, AS MARY MAGDALENA, NOR THE MOTHER OF JESUS, DORCAS, LYDIA, ETC., OTHER WISE IF THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL WOMEN, DEAR SIS LISA WOULD BE DRESSED DOCTRINAL APPROVAL FROM THE BIBLE, AS PETER STATED, THEN YOU MY DEAREST SIS WOULD HAVE TO DRESS IN THE DRESS AND MODE OF THE "TALIBANS".....
AND NO WAY ARE YOU ALL HIPROCRITAS DRESSED AS THE "TALIBANS"...
AND AS FOR THE UPC PASTORS, ETCS., AND THE AA LEGALISTS YOU MEN SHOULD DRESS LIKE THE FIRST CENTURY DISCIPLES...WITH LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG TUNICS AND WITH SANDLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
THAN YOU SAINTLY MEN WOULD HAVE THE "RIGHT TO PREACH" THE WORD AND BE IN THE "MODE AND RIGHT TO CRITICISE THE WOMEN YOU ARE SO TURNED ON THAT YOU HAVE TO BE SO LEGALIST AND SO FORCEFUL IN THE DRESS AND MODE......
YOU MEN ARE SUCH HIPROCRITES, THAT POOR SIS. LISA IS SO CONFUSED AND DISTORTED AND SO SELF RIGHTEOUS THAT SHE IS CONFUSED WITH THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCH AND THE PRESENT "RED NECKS" OKIES, ARKIES AND FROM THE OZARKS UPCCCCCC.....
LISA SHOULD DRESS LIKE LEAH OF OLD, THAT WAS SO "COVERED WITH THE BIBLE VEILING" THAT SHE FOOLED POOR JACOB AND WAS TAKEN IN INSTEAD OF RACHEL, LABAN'S DAUGHTER....
THAT MY DEAR BROTHERS IS HOW THE UPC WOMEN SHOULD BE POLITICAL AND BIBILICAL CORRECT, IF THEY WANT TO "HIDE BEHIND THE TRUE ATTIRE" OF "SELF RIGHTESNESS......
THAT ATTIRE OF THE "TALIBANS" AND THAT vEIL,,,ACROSS THEIR ENTIRE FACES IS THE TRUE VEIL....
BUT LISA IS SO BRAINED WASHED, SHE IS LIKE THE CULT NEAR WACO, TEXAS THAT WERE RECENTLY IN NATIONAL NEWS, ON EXPLOITING THEIR CHILDREN AND THE WOMEN.....
GO GET AN EDUCTION, LISA ON CULTURAL, PHYSICAL AND BIBLICAL ANTROPOLOGY....
LEARN THE HISTORICAL DRESS OF THE BIBLE DON'T BE SO STUPID AND SO MISERABLY LEGALIST AND SO DUMB AND ILL EDUCATED.....
YOU LISA AND BLESSED IN ARIZONA, ARE SO DUMB...DO YOU LIVE IN A TEEPEE? OR DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE????
IAM SURE FOR YOUR MODERN CONVINENCES YOU HAVE "EVOLVED TO A MODERN LODGING, AND MODERN TRANSPORTATION?
DO YOU BRUSH YOUR TEETH,WITH "SALT" AND "SAND"?
OR DO YOU USE THE COLORADO RIVER BEDS TO BATHE?
OH SURE YOU HAVE "EVOLVED" FOR YOUR CONVIENENCES....
BUT YOU ARE BOTH SO ANGRY THAT YOUR SILLY SPECIES, IS DEMINISHING, BECAUSE OF EDUCATION TOWARD WOMEN ABUSE...
BUT YOUR MEN SURE HAVE EVOLVED!!!!!!!!! ARMANI SUITS, POLO SCENTS, MERCEDES AND LIMOS TO GO TO CHURCH...
DON'T BE IN THE DARK AGES SIS.....LISA...
DON'T BE SO CONTROLLED AND SO "CULTISH BRAINWASHED."
YOU ARE NOT WRITING TO DUMB PEOPLE, YOU ARE WRITING TO YOURSELF, BUT THANKS TO ED WE READ YOUR TYPICAL COMPLAINTS....
EVOLVEDMENT MEANS EVERYTHING MODERN...ALL THE MODERN CONVIENENCES. AND EVEN BANKING...
OR DO YOU KEEP YOUR MONEY "UNDER THE MATTRESS OR BURIED?
YOU POOR HIPOCRITE, SELF RIGHTENOUS, SIS...
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON YOU.
REMEMBER THE BIBLE STATES.
"WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE....AND NOT BY WORKS...
DECENCY, MODESTLY IS SELF APPLIED...
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE SO "ANGRY" AND SO WRONG TO TELL US WHAT IS MODEST AND RIGHT...
WAKE UP AND STOP BEING EXPLOITED BY MEN...
THEY ARE "EXTREMELY MODERN, GOLFERS, INSTEAD OF EVANGELISING, THEY EVEN GO TO "HOOTERS" AFTER THE GAMES...
WHILE YOU STAY HOME "MEASURING THE HEM OF THE SISTER'S SKIRTS....
TYPICAL OZARKS, OAKIES, AND ARKIES, SELF RIGHTEOUS UPC..AND APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY.
TELL YOU PASTOR THAT WHAT IS "GOOD FOR THE GOOSE,IS CERTAINLY GOOD FOR THE GANDER"...
TAKE UP GOLFING, MY DEAR SIS., AND "TRY TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR PASTAR.......
THE 'HONORABLES' ALSO GO GOLFING AND TO "HOOTERS" AFTER THE GAME...
FOLLOW THEM....
THAT IS WHY THE "TELEPHONE MESSAGES AND PRAYER REQUESTS YOU LEAVE IN THEIR VOICE MAIL ARE NEVER ANSWERED.....
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE "HONORABLES" VOICE MESSAGES AND THE UPC'S...
THIS IS HOW THEY GO:
"YOU HAVE REACHED THE VOICE MESSAGE OF YOUR PASTOR...
(ITS ALWAYS THE WIFE OR THEIR GIRL FRIDAY THAT THE VOICE IS RECORDED).
PLEASE LEAVE YOUR NAME, TIME OF DAY YOU CALLED AND YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER AND YOUR PRAYER REQUEST AND
WE WILL "RETURN YOUR CALL NEXT YEAR"...
TRY THAT ON YOUR TITHES AND OFFERINGS, AND THE FLOR AZUL AND MANO A MANO!!!!!!
TRY IT AND YOU WILL BE "OUSTED FROM CHURCH...."
WAKE UP SIS LISA......
WHAT IAM TRYING TO TELL YOU BLOGGEERS IS THAT AA, UPC AND THE LIKES ARE ALL THE SAME.....
KEEP FASTING AND PRAYING....
THE HONORABLES ARE IN FOR A "BIG SURPRIZE".......
IN JESUS NAME....
Hooters after the game?????
Where is skotty and his camera?
Greeting Brothers, Sisters and friends. This is to announce Family Life Center's (Whittier, CA) new web site: www.flcac.org
Have a blessed night/day!
Albert
LET ME TELL YOU WHATS NEXT -
Where should I begin. You are all over the map. One train of thought please! You will confuse the little ones.
Surprise! I agree with you on anecdotal references. You are so correct in many aspects of your account of history. HOWEVER, You completely and haphazardly dissociated my comment with it's intended purpose.
The fact remains aside from current events, a viable alternative is needed offering an English programs for second, third, and fourth generation Apostolicos "yet will the Son of man find faith when He returns"
You sound like a very ambitious, assertive person, zealous for righteousness and a true quest for truth and God's purpose.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to God's divine solution as it appears that you are frequently in prayer.
After all it is your generation inspiring the trouble and Showed my generation how its done. One man shows. No delegation. No development. No teaching. No accountability. Do what I say not what I do.
One last recommendation. With the level of rancor and drivel in your heart. Where exactly to you plan on fitting the amor de dios.
Now! Let me tell you whats next!
(Mat 6:14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
(Mat 6:15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I'm sure you are a really nice guy and love your family. But man how do you sleep at night.
To all the bloggers PTL!
Well I was reading along and again I see that my brother “I’LL TELL YOU WHATS NEXT/ THOUGHT FOR THE DAY” is continuing his ramblings that don’t seem to make sense.
I would like to say to you my brother REPENT!!!!!!!!!
You want us to take you seriously? Are you sure that you serve the Lord? You’re words do not demonstrate that the Holy Spirit has dominion over your life when you write comments as in your post of 2-4-09 @ 10:05 p.m. like:
“AND NO WAY ARE YOU ALL HIPROCRITAS DRESSED AS THE "TALIBANS"
“SHE IS CONFUSED WITH THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCH AND THE PRESENT "RED NECKS" OKIES, ARKIES AND FROM THE OZARKS UPCCCCCC”
“GO GET AN EDUCTION, LISA ON CULTURAL, PHYSICAL AND BIBLICAL ANTROPOLOGY....
LEARN THE HISTORICAL DRESS OF THE BIBLE DON'T BE SO STUPID AND SO MISERABLY LEGALIST AND SO DUMB AND ILL EDUCATED”
“THE 'HONORABLES' ALSO GO GOLFING AND TO "HOOTERS" AFTER THE GAME”
Let me asking you this my brother, how do you know they go golfing and to hooters? Let me see is it because that’s what you do?
Your words to me sound like you’re the one who is the legalist they way you refer to this sister
You say “WHAT IAM TRYING TO TELL YOU BLOGGEERS IS THAT AA, UPC AND THE LIKES ARE ALL THE SAME”
This must mean that the AWA is also the same, RIGHT!
You talk about the history my brother, I think its people like you that is the reason we find ourselves where we do. Why is the AA the way it is? Just look at what you right my brother. I’ve told you before and I will repeat it for your convenience “your words deceive you” you do not love this AA like you say you do.
God Bless!
WOW...I should have known not to post my opinion on this blog LOL With your comments you should have just thrown stones instead...I think it would be basically the same haha. Well, I admit I have opinions and convictions regarding the holiness standards of the church. I am not stupid, from the Ozarks, or a UPC Okie. You my brother "Let me tell you what" or whatever your name is. Talk about judgemental. Take a look at yourself. you sound to be very bitter against the UPC. At one time or back in "your day" some of what you say about the UPC might be true as far as the prejudice that takes place. I don't think today that we experience prejudice according to the picture you paint. I'm not saying it doesn't happen somewhere, It probably does. You have to consider the melting pot of people that the United States has become. In our churches, we want to share the Gospel with everyone. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Etc. I was once AA for many years. I am not dressed as the women of the bible but am dressed as a modest Pentecostal/Apostolic woman. I do not cut my hair, wear makeup, etc. People may disagree with me on that and that is ok. It is between me and God. It might not be heaven and hell related but there is nothing wrong with making these covenants with the Lord. If I find out when I get to heaven that I could have trimmed my hair, worn a shorter skirt, worn a little makeup Oh well.... I do not have to look like the "taliban" to be modest. I do not have to "veil" my face to be modest. I am not judging anyone or throwing stones to anyone else. I was simply agreeing with a lot of what Lisa stated in her blog. People need to realize these are standards in which the Pentecostal/Apostolic church was founded on and it's not denomination specific. Whether or not I wear a veil on my head as the Apostolic church dictates but what difference does it really make if I am coloring and chopping my hair off? The bible states that a woman's head should be covered. When you pray for someone in the hospital or before you go to sleep or at any time are you going to reach for your veil? LOL give me a break would you! Enough about that. Every organization has standards for it's people. The UPC is known to be against Tv. It doens't mean that every UPC person doesn't own or watch TV. It's a standard that people know about. The same with the Apostolic assembly. Everyone knows that women wear veils. Big deal. All I was simply stating was I agree with a lot of what Lisa was posting about more the women looking more worldly in the church. you can have sin in your life and in your heart and look holy. Anyone can. That is why it's our inward holiness shows outward. I can be covered head to toe but if I'm out drinking and God knows what else what is it for? It is necessary to have both inward and outward holiness. So..instead of throwing stones at what other people hold as dear in their lives and walk with God, let's encourage everyone to have different thoughts, convictions, etc. That is what makes us all different Children Of God. God loves us no matter if we cut our hair, wear makeup, etc. With all of the bad stuff going on in the world, in the churches, organizations. Why don't we focus on prayer for our families, friends, leaders, etc. We can complain all day long about this or that. No good to argue, just move on! If you disagree with something that is your right to disagree. You can teach your children what you want. I know what is right to teach my family.
Greeting Brothers, Sisters and Friends. This is to announce Family Life Center's (Whittier, CA) new web site: www.flcac.org
Have a blessed night/day/week!
Albert
TO: Tell you what's next
LOL! LOL!
You are so right in your last article!!!
FYI, in one of your older posts you talk about watching the "Godfather" and I can tell you were referring to Jauhall (DJ).
You also talk about Joel Montez having his church in his name. Do you know that there are others? Just a few but there are others that the AA doesn't touch!!
All u little blah blah blah bloggers need to grow up! Know the jesus in the bible..you r all so good in knowing religion but u know nothing about JESUS...we r kingdom people...Jesus asked peter "who do you say I am" peter answered you r the Messiah the son of the living God...Do u really know jesus..do u personally know him or do u re-lie on men to teach u doctrinate u and mold u for their pleasure..because Peter answerd Jesus and Jesus said u r blessed because no man has revealed this to u but my father in heaven....
Know Jesus he is not a religion...aa awa upc paw trinity mormons hindus budism judaism is all the same all r religion...man made ideas with twisted truth....
But the kindom of God or kingdom people speak truth...bcuz they have been set free from sin and religion to be joined to christ his Body....WAKE UP...
Jesus called people out of slavery of sin and Religion..and showed us that we r set free...
we r now able to accept him in our heart and walk with him in our daily lives...
Former chief of Staff Andrew Card had this to say about a dress code for the White House, Supreme Court, floor for the Senate, floor for the House.
"there should be a dress colde of respect__I whish he would war a coat and tie__ The Oval Office symbolizes__the Constitution, the hopes and dreams, and I'm gonna say democracy. And when you have a dress code in the Supreme Court, and a dress code on the floor of the Senate, floor of the House, I think is's appropriate to have an expectation that there will be a dress code that respects the office of the president."
A dress code in prior administrations was a must.
Now, if there is a standard for worldly governments, should we not be zealous for the standards of our Apostolic churches or should we become like the liberals of government who think that to be conservative is a burden.
We should honor God, the church and the bible in our modesty. The kingdom of God is not of this world but heavenly based.
Pedro,
I see what you are saying.
However the problem arises in the interpretation of what is deemed modest and appropriate.
Every person will see things differently regarding this issue.
One will think the Taliban / Amish is the right way and others will think mini skirts and heavy make up is ok cause we shouldnt be looking on the outward things.
The problem is you will never have any two people agree and each side becomes judgemental about the others view.
So who sets the standard ?
calledtoproclaim
Interesting your ID is in conflict with your ideals.
What do you proclaim. You speak of truth. What is truth.Have you met the ruth. Did you know that Paul became a willfull slave to this truth? Perhaps he didn't get the message.
Did you that men still seek him and connot find Him. I wonder why.
Do you know the full doctrine of the Trinos, Mormons, Hindus. Do you know what happen to king Solomon when he married into families of other deities?
Did you know the kingdom of Israel was decimated from this action.
I think we: canproclaimyouarenotcalled.
Antonio,
Nice to have you back..You must have the same kindred spirit as I do, because we have seen it all from the beginning...Yes you are right "johnny fontain" was most certaily D. J.
We pray for him every night. where he landed in ice land....So much of this went on so "terribly"...
thank you and God bless you......____________________
I would need to write a book, to 'TRY TO EXPLAIN BETTER" MY ANGER WITH THE UPC...
People that did not "live it" simply cannot understand why I write and try to inform those that "think" that going UPC away from the AA "have left behind" their sad baggage>....
We feel that 'IF OUR YOUTH" the best of the AA Christian by-product our inheritance, has left the AA to go UPC...those are the ones Iam trying to inform on the involvement of the UPC "early"
founding "self rightenouness, discrimination against the Mexican and Latin American...
But it just does not "sink in"....
I have to be "discriptive" I have to elavorate" I have to explain the "nitty gritty" the "unbelievable horrific behavior and the "white supremacy" biggots, and the "racial discrimination against Mexicans , as that is what "we really are"....
OF MEXICAN DESDENT!!!!!!
What makes me upset, and I need to be angry to write this way...
JESUS WAS ANGRY TOO, HE TURNED OVER THE TABLES OF "MONEY MAKERS" AT THE TEMPLE...
PAUL AND PETER WERE ANGRY TOO.
PETER CUT OFF THE "EAR" OF THE THE SOLDIER THAT WAS "LYNCHING' CHRIST!!!
THE REASON I WRITE LIKE THIS SO "DEFENSIVE" IS BECAUSE,
I love" the Apostolic Assembly, as a Mexican Organization that "incorporated", to better serve those that were in search of the Kingdom of God.
Teachings in their "own native" language, understand their cultural needs and "orientating them" with the "new country" they involved into...
Empower them to learn English, as this country"s primary language, and of course not to forget their native tongue, Spanish.
But then when out of those immigrants came out "beautiful" precious children, educated, God fearing, and in love with this country and its Founding Fathers...
'FRAUD CAME IN WITH THE "HONORABLES", AND THESE EDUCATED, INFORMED GROWN UP YOUTH OF THE AA GOT "FED" UP AND LEFT...
ONLY TO FIND THEMSELVES IN A "BIGGER SELF DENIAL MESS"..
WHEN THE YOUNGER APOSTOLIC GENERATIONS BECAME PASTORS, BISHOPS, ELDERS,
lawyers, Physicians, PHDs, judges, Professors, educators, and Realtors, bankers and Professionals...
then the Upc,
'SHOVED" UNDER THE RUG, THEIR PREDUDIGES, THEIR DISCRIMINATION, THEIR "WHITE SUPREMACY, even though they came from the Ozarks, Okies and Arkies., during the great migration into the West from the "Grapes of Wrath" saga.....
THAT MY DEAR SISTER "BLESSED IN ARIZONA" AND THE LIKES OF YOU...
THIS IS WHY IAM ANGRY...I HAVE A "RIGHT TO BE ANGRY" BECAUSE YOU THAT WENT UPC ARE SO "BLIND TO SEE AND THINK YOU HAVE REACHED THE "MOUNTAIN", RUBBING YOUR ELBOWS AND BEING SO HIPOCRITICALLY ACCEPTED"!!!!!
BECAUSE YOU "THINK YOU "MADE IT", ASSIMILATING...AND "FORGETTING" BIG TIME HOW THEY TREATED YOUR ANCESTORS......
"HEAR NOTHING, SAY NOTHING, SEE NOTHING...."
YOU SAY....."YOU'RE JUST CRAZY AND SO ANGRY..."
WELL I HAVE YOU KNOW I KNOW WHAT I KNOW AND I LIVED IT ......
NOW THE COLOR IS "GREENLINING"
"MONEY".......
DON'T GET FOOLED......
GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED....
-
AND I NEED TO BE "REAL ANGRY" TO WRITE LIKE THIS AGAINST THE "HIPROCRACY" OF THE "COAT CHANGED AND THE "WHITE WASHING" AND "DENIAL" OF THE UPC....TO "RAKE IN THE MEGA BUCKS" AND even allow to have their off springs inter-marry WITH THE ONCE DESPISED "LITTLE SPANISH" BOY AND GIRL!!!! NOW GROWN UP AND EDUCATE!!!!!
Because its true that "our beautiful children" that grew up and were blessed by God with wisdom, knowledge and understanding...
SO MUCH WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY COULD NO LONGER BE "EXPLOITED' BY THE HONORABLES...."ANY MORE"!!!! WITH "MAN MADE LAWS AND FRAUD IN ELECTIONS., AND "NAMING" AND APPOINTING THEIR OWN KIN AND 'ACES"
THE HONORABLES WERE SO "THREATEN" BY THE NEW GENERATION "KNOWLEDGE"
THAT VALVERDE AND SANCHEZ AND AGUILAR "MADE SURE" MANY WERE "BLACKBALLED" AND FORCED THEM TO LEAVE!!!!!
THIS "NEW GENERATIONS" OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY IS NOW
MORE 'EDUCATED' THEN MANY OF THE OFF SPRINGS OF THOSE OZARKS, OKIES AND ARKIES DESCENDENTS!!!!!
IAM JUST TRYING TO INFORM "THOSE" THAT HAVE GONE "UPC "FROM THE AA.,
AND NOW "HAVE TO LEARN" SPANISH, IN THE "UPC'S SO CALLED HISPANICS MINISTRIES"
THE UPC 'S HISPANIC MINISTRIES "STILL BELONG TO THE "WHITEMASSA" WHO REALLY IS THE "LAND OWNER" OF EACH UPC PROPERTY.....AND THE "WHITE MASSA'S HEIRS.....
IF YOU DO NOT GET IT....WHAT IAM TRYING TO TELL YOU THEN YOU ARE ALL "INDENIAL, AND CLUELESS".....
NO ONE IN THE UPC IS FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLE PETER AS FAR AS THE WOMEN'S ATTIRE.....
NO ONE!!!!! NOT EVEN YOU LISA AND "ASLEEP IN ARIZONA"...
THE ONE THAT SETS THE MODEST CHRISTIAN DRESS CODE IS THE "HOLY SCRIPTURES" ONLY THAT.....
IF THE UPC IS NOT DRESSED UNDER THE "CODE" OF THE "BIBILICAL CODE" OF THE DRESS CODE., AS THE APOSTLE PETER STATES.....
"
"ATTIRING THEMSELVES, AS THOSE MODEST WOMEN,"
LEAH, REBECCA, DORCAS, (TABITHA)., MARY MAGDALENA, MARY OF THE MOTHER OF JESUS AND ETC.,
THEN THE UPC'S WOMEN DRESS CODE IS "MAN MADE" , "MAN MANDATED" AND NOT THE "STANDARD" OF THE BIBLICAL DOCTRINAL INSTRUCTION OF WOMEN'S ATTIRE...
SO THEN THIS "MAN MADE" ORDAINED "WOMEN DRESS CODE" IS NOT BIBLICAL"....
YOU,UPC.... ALL MADE IT UP YOURSELF...
IF YOU ARE NOT DRESSED, AS THE WOMEN OF THE "TALIBAN" "VEIL" AND ALL ,"COVERING ALL YOUR FACE, ONLY EYES VISIBLE............!!!!!!!
THEN YOU ARE "HIPOCRATES" IN JUDGING AND CONDEMING THOSE "MODESTLY DRESSED "WOMEN" THAT DRESSED IN A "DRESSED CODE" AS THE AA AND OTHER GOD FEARING WOMEN AND THOSE THAT RESPECT THEIR HUSBANDS AND CHURCHES...
IAM NOT SPEAKING AGAINST "MODESTY"
IAM SPEAKING THAT YOU ARE NOT DRESSED LIKE THE TALIBAN WOMEN."...
SO YOU ARE "NOT ATTIRED AS THE "WOMEN OF THE BIBLE!!!!
THAT IS THE "BIBLICAL STANDARD" AND IF YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THAT....
THEN.... "BE QUITE"
AND PRAY MORE, AND LOVE MORE....
COME BACK TO THE AA AND STRAIGHTEN OUT THESE "HONORABLES"....
GET THEM OUT.......IN JESUS NAME....
WITH THE "WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE GOD GIVEN TO YOU", AS
PART OF THE "LINEAGE AND INHERITANCE OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.......YYOURRRRRRRRRR ROOOTS....................
THINK AND THINK AGAIN....
MONEY IS THE "BIG" ISSUE OF THE UPC....MERCEDES, LIMOS...REAL ESTATE....
THE SAME AS THE "HONORABLES"...
DEMAND THE "HONORAABLES" "AUDIT REPORT"..
STOP THEIR "DOUBLE SALARIES"
FIRE THEM...AS SO MANY ARE BEING "FIRED", NATION WIDE..
STOP GIVING THEM THE MONEIES THEY "CRAVE"...
GOD BLESS YOU...
PRAYER CHANGES THINGS...
IN JESUS NAME....
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US...AND YOU TO "OPEN" YOUR EYES....
PEDRO,
Sorry buddy, your example is WAY off! The Sf Giants have a dress code and look where that got Barry Bonds.
The church is NOT to be compared to the white house dress code, the church is a hospital room with people wounded from sexual abuse, drugs, rape, incest, alcoholism, the whole nine. I've NEVER heard of a doctor say you need to dress right before you can be healed. Healing is from within.
The white house indeed have a dress code - is the dress code helping get our country out of this mess? No! Because unless a man is willing to change from within, he will still be the same immoral man - but with a tie.
TO let me tell you whats next.
WHO ARE THE HONORABLES ..
AND WHAT DID THEY DO..
Let me tell you what's next----You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME LOL!!! YOu are insane. Your anger is sad and not attractive. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But I know first hand that what you experienced, we have not and will not experience. In CA, my brother in law is a Spanish UPC pastor. He hasn't experienced this either. But according to what you are saying, because I am not of hispanic decent, I am not worthy to be in your precious organization. Well guess what, I was for many years and loved it. It is how I found salvation as a young teenager at the precious age of 14. I come from a family of Mormons. Where would I be now had I gone to church with my grandmother? LOST and on my way to hell in a religion that is full of witchcraft and other crazy things! You can be as bitter as you want against the UPC, but in our district, we are happy. My husband and I have been involved in the Children's Ministry for going on 5 years now and since becomming members of the UPC we have seen tremendous growth in our children's ministry as the UPC has awesome programs for children! We are members of the district board for Sunday School and it's a privledge and honor to reach tomorrow's church. You, in your day way back when ever it was, may have experienced some prejudice, descriminiation, etc. I think that in today's generation, that is not experienced as much. You can stay in your precious AA and be bitter against every other organization that does not measure up to your AA. Every organization is going to fail you because it's run by man. The only one that can offer you perfect peace is God.
I'm going to pray for all bloggers on this site. I can see that generational sin has passed down to the generations.
The Lord has revealed to me a sense of continued bitterness towards God's established holiness standards.
I will also send prayer notifiactions to the Tri-Unified Prophets to request special prayers for those of you.
Its the new generation of apostolic prophets that are dealing with generational sins.
God bless you bloggers, may the Lord foregive the sins of your fathers, and may God bless the apostolic assembly church!
Amen!
To: Tought for the day/let me tell you whats next....
Brother, you must repent! Your bitterness toward the upc and non-mexican saints is sinful indeed.
You are generalizing all upc's and thus attacking the CHURCH of JESUS whom he died for. Dont you understand we are not of this world! We are not mexicans we are the church. The gates of hell you open may unleash legions of demonic spirits against us but they will not prevail. And if you sir "kick against the pricks" you are kicking against the body of Christ which is the Church! Be that saints in the AA,UPC etc...
Note:your glorious AA is not the Church, its a man made org. Get over your bitterness for your own sake because I dare say, your salvation is in question....
ps your credibility went out the window months ago...You may have one or two who feen for your writting but educated people are LOL at you....
back in the days: Amen, amen, amen and a big AMEN!!!
As long as the AA is guided by Sanchez and the Board it will continue to spiral down. Everything that these men set their hands on will fail.
The time this thing is over the AA will have their name dragged through the mud. The AA people that stand by and watch dilly in hope that one day they may climb the social ladder are as guilty as the GB members.
Most everyone in here knows the term guilt by association. The word of God says tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are. This message is guilt by association even if it is positive. This however is not something good.
God is shaking the Church. Those who are firm in the word of God will last those who are not will not last.
Sanchez has pulled your name through the mud and you all just let him get away with it. I guess the secular phrase can apply here. See no evil speak no evil say not evil.
paz de cristo
pardon me, but i have to say this:
some of you brothers
make alot of noise about well educaded statements and to percibe wrongdoin only because
you are better educated than your fathers, or others "hermanos"
que no hablan ingles,
la educacion es basura, comparado con el espiritu santo;
cada uno de nosotros somos leidos exactamente por lo que escribimos aqui
i dont have to be a bachelors degree holder, to percibe wrongdoing or fraud or or a fake christian , or abusive pastor or bishop,
(we wait in the Lord HE will deliver us from evil)
i dont even have to speak english,
los cristianos somos cartas leidas
it has allways been part of the proces of the church, even those who depart to seek greener pastures
will see their own problems
lets just be humilde like our
senor y Dios
trabajemos para EL senor JESUCRISTO
a traves delos frutos del espiritu santo
y no de los frutos del la preparacion y el conocicmiento
sometiendonos a las autoridades establecidas por dios
amen
Blessedand sleepy in Arizona:
Iam not condemning any one per se:
Who am I to judge? ONLY GOD IS OUR JUDGE!!!
Iam telling you my dearest Sister "true, History facts" of the UPC against the AA and the Paw....
You do not understand on prejudice because in "Your little world, Your little Arizona District" everything is okie dokie and you are therefore very happy and in total denial and misinformed!!!
Again I will tell you for the last time, and eventhough I do not know your age, you seem to be quite immature and "lack of knowledge" , as the Bible states..."MY PEOPLE PERISH BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE".......
LISTEN FOR THE LAST TIME:
THE REASON AND ONLY REASON IAM UPSET IS BECAUSE...MANY OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED...HAVE GONE UPC...
THINKING THE GRASS IS "GREENER" OVER THERE.....
AS LONG AS WE ARE IN THIS WORLD FULL OF SIN, ENVY, AND FRAUD ETC., WE WILL SEE THIS IN ANY DEMONAMINATION....
IAM "TRYING" TO TELL YOU THAT THE ONES THAT HAVE LEFT TO THE UPC ETC., ARE NO BETTER OFF THEN IF THEY HAD STAYED AND "PRAYED" FASTED" AND "FOUGHT", AS MOSES AND DAVID AND JOSHUA FOUGHT FOR GOD'S CAUSE...IN THEIR OWN APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY ROOTS....
IN ORDER TO TELL THE ONES THAT HAVE GONE "THE LITTLE SPANISH SIS AND BROTHER" TO THE UPC.
IS THAT THINGS HAVE EVOLVED, AS FAR AS TREATING THE "MEXICAN" DESCENTANTS,"A LITTTTTLE BETTER.....
AND ONLY BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR EDUCATION AND THE SALARIES THAT "THESE LITTLE SPANISH SIS AND BRETHREN ARE NOW EARNING."
BIG OFFERINGS, AND BIG TITHES!!!!!
NOTHING ELSE...
WHY DO I SAY THIS. I SAY THIS BECAUSE I "LIVED IT" AND NO--ONE TOLD ME AS IAM TELLING YOU...
"I LIVED IT" AND SAW THE UPC PASTOR DENY THE BAPTISTRY OF HIS UPC CHURCH TO "THE LITTLE SPANISH BRETHREN, PASTOR" BECAUSE THE "LITTLE NEW MEXICANS THAT WANTED TO GET BAPTIZED WERE "NOT DISINFECTED TO GET INTO THE BAPTISTRY."!!!!!!!!
ALSO BROTHER CLYDE AND SIS OLIVE HANEY, REFUSED THEIR SON KENNY TO ASSOCIATE WITH ANY "LITTLE SPANISH SISTERS, WHILE WE WERE IN BIBLE COLLEGE IN STOCKTON.....
NO ONE TOLD ME THIS I SAW IT I EXPERIENCED AND ----IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.....HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR "EDUCATION AND MONEYEEEEEEEE IN BEHAVE OF THE "LITTLE SPANISH SIS AND BRETHREN."
IN THE 40, 50, 60THS WHEN ANY NEW IMMIGRANTS WOULD FIND A UPC CHURCH, USUALLY SENT FROM THE PASTORS OF CENTRAL AMERICA OR MEXICO..
IF THE NEW IMMIGRANTS WOULD "BY MISTAKE ENTER" INTO A UPC CHURCH, THE PASTOR OF THE UPC WOULD TELL THEM...
"THERE ON THE CORNER OF MAIN AND 1ST., IS A "LITTLE SPANISH CHURCH'
YOU CAN GO THERE"
BUT AFTER "THE UPC SUPERINTENDENT IN ST., LOUIS, MO., HAD CONFERENCES...THEN AND ONLY THEN --
-- IT WAS DECIDED TO "ACCEPT" THOSE "LITTLE SPANISH PEOPLE"...BY "FORMING" THEIR OWN OWNED "SEPARATE CHURCH'''ONLY TO BE STILL "OWNED AND SUPERVISED BY THE "WHITE MASSA UPC PASTOR.....("HISPANIC MINISTRIES"...)
WITH NEVER THE PASTOR OF THE HISPANIC MINISTRIES UPC TO BE IN THE "GENERAL BOARD IN ST., LOUIS, MO.
THE PROPERTIES TO BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED BY THE LOCAL UPC MASSA PASTOR AND HIS HEIRS!!!!!!!....
I BELIEVE FROM YOUR "SCARED DEFENSE" YOU STILL HAVE YOUR "MORMON CULTISH BACKGROUND."
YOU WERE TOO LONG WITH THE MORMONS...
THE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT STATES"
"GIVE ME A CHILD TILL HE IS '"FOUR" YEARS OLD" AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE HIM...".
I COULD TALK ALL NIGHT...BUT THIS IS FOR THOSE AA ROOTED AND GROUNDED IN THE LOVE OF CHRIST APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY, THAT LEFT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT WANT TO STAY AND "DEFEND" THE CHURCH OF GOD, TAUGHT TO YOU BY THE EARLY CHURCH.,
INSTEAD OF STAYING YOU LEFT IT TO "THE HONORABLES"
AS THEY CALL THEMSELVES,
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, MARTIN, MAFFEY, PRADO, AGUILAR, AND SANCHEZ'S BROTHER IN LAW, ARTIE ESPINOZA......
WHAT DID THE "HONORABLES" DO?
THEY CALL THEMSELVES..."THE HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA"...
THEY DID FRAUD IN THE ELECTIONS IN LONG BEACH, NAMING THEIR OWN KIN AND APPOINTING THOSE THAT THEY COULD, CONTROL MUNIPULATE AND "UTILIZE" TO DESTROY AND LYNCH OTHER PASTORS...
THAT IS WHAT THE HONORABLES DID...
LET ME LEAVE YOU TONIGHT WITH THIS BIBLICAL VERSE:
--COLOSSIANS CHAPTER 2:
WRITTEN BY THE APOSTLE PAUL TO THE COLOSSIANS TO BE READ BY THE CHURCH OF LAODICEA WHICH WAS LOCATED ABOUT 11 MILES FROM THE COLOSSIAN CHURCH"
"For I want you to know what a great conflict.....I have for you and those in Laodicia, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh,
that their hearts may be "encouraged'
Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasvive words.
"Beware lest anyone "cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to THE TRADITION OF MEN, ACCORDING TO THE BASIS PRINCIPLES OF THE WORLD, AND NOT ACCORDING TO CHRIST.
FOR IN HIM ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD, BODILY, AND YOU ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, WHO IS THE "HEAD OF ALL, PRINCIPALITY AND POWER.
CHAPTER 2:20-----
THEREFORE, IF YOU DIED WITH CHRIST FROM THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF THE WORLD,
WHY AS THOUGH LIVING IN THE WORLD,
DO YOU "SUBJECT" YOURSELF TO REGULATIONS----?????
SUCH AS DO NOT "TOUCH, DO NOT TASTE, DO NOT HANDLE, WHICH ALL CONCERN THINGS WHICH PERISH WITH THE USING---
"ACCORDING TO THE "COMMANDMENTS AND DOCTRINES OF "MEN"?????
THESE THINGS----(YOUR UPC MAN MADE DRESS CODE" ONLY FOR WOMEN..."MEN CAN RUN AROUND IN "ARMANI, POLO AND OTHER MODERN FASHIONS"""""")
GO GOLFING, AS THE "HONORABLES" AND GO TO "HOOTERS" TO CELEBRATE THE WINS.!!!)))))))).
THE APOSTOLE PAUL CONTINUES---
"THESE THINGS INDEED HAVE AN APPEARANCE OF "WISDOM IN "SELF IMPOSED RELIGION",
FALSE HUMILITY,
AND "NEGLECT OF THE BODY,
BUT ARE OF "NO VALUE TO THE INDULGENCE OF THE FLESH.....
CHAPTER 2:8---
BUT YOU YOURSELVES ARE TO PUT OFF THESE :
RAGE, WRATH, MALICE, BLASPHEMY, FILTHY LANGUAGE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.
DO NOT LIE TO ONE ANOTHER, SINCE YOU PUT OFF THE OLD MAN WITH HIS DEEDS.,
NOW HAVE PUT ON THE NEW MAN WHO IS "RENEWED IN KNOWLEDGE, ACCORDING TO THE IMAGE OF HIM WHO CREATED HIM...
I PETER 3:3---
TO WOMEN:
DO NOT LET YOUR ADORNMENT BE "MERELY OUTWARD--"ARRANGING THE HAIR"
(UPC WOMEN TAKE HOURS TO ARRANGE THEIR HAIR...THERE IS EVEN A U -TUBE ON "HOW TO ARRANGE THEIR HAIR.)
INSTEAD OF INSTRUCTION HOW TO PRAY AND FAST MORE.....)
"ARRANGING THE HAIR, WEARING GOLD, OR PUTTING ON FINE APPAREL---
4- RATHER LET IT BE THE HIDDEN PERSON OF THE HEART, ....WITH THE INCORRUPTIBLE BEAUTY OF A GENTLE AND QUIET SPIRIT, WHICH IS VERY PRECIOUS IN THE SIGHT OF GOD.
DRESSING AS THE HOLY WOMEN SUCH AS SARAH AND OBEYED ABRAHAM.
AMEN AND AMEN AND AMEN.....
"THE DRESS CODE OF THE MORMONS, AND THE CULTS AS THEY ARE PROJECTED IN THE NEWS....ARE NOT OF GOD...
THEY ARE "MAN MADE"
THE SAME WITH THE UPC "STUFFED WITH ROLLERS, DRIED UP HAIR AND TISSUE PAPER, IS OF THEIR OWN MAKINGS....ITS AGINST THE BIBLE. READY I PETER....
THE "REAL BIBLICAL DRESS CODE OF THE WOMEN, ACCORDING TO I PETER IS LIKE "SARAH" THE WIFE OF ABRAHAM, OF OLD......
THE TALIBAN, VEIL AND ALL IS DRESSING LIKE "WOMEN OF OLD"......
DRESS LIKE THAT IF YOU UPC AND AA CRITICS WANT TO BE SOOOOO "SELF RIGHTEOUS AND LEGALISTIC..."
SO DON'T TRY TO TELL THE WORLD YOU ARE 'HOLIER' THAN THOU WITH YOUR DRESS CODE'...
ITS "MAN MADE" FOR THE WOMEN.....
WAKE UP......
BLESSEDAND SLEEPY IN ARIZONA.....
YOU STILL DID NOT GET IT??????
ASK THE LORD TO REVEAL YOUR NONSENCE ON YOUR "MIX UP" HAIR, DRESS....
MODESTY IS OF GOD....BUT ANY PERSON WITH CHRIST "WISDOM" KNOWS THE DIFFERENCES FROM "MODESTY" AND CULTIST DRESS AND HAIR.......
ARE YOU SO LEGALISTIC THAT YOU STILL RIDE A DONKEY???????
OR A CAMEL????INSTEAD OF A CAR?????....
MAY THE GRACE OF GOD HAVE MERCY ON ALL THESE MAN MADE CULTS........
GOOD NIGHT..
Blessedand sleepy in Arizona:
Iam not condemning any one per se:
Who am I to judge? ONLY GOD IS OUR JUDGE!!!
Iam telling you my dearest Sister "true, History facts" of the UPC against the AA and the Paw....
You do not understand on prejudice because in "Your little world, Your little Arizona District" everything is okie dokie and you are therefore very happy and in total denial and misinformed!!!
Again I will tell you for the last time, and eventhough I do not know your age, you seem to be quite immature and "lack of knowledge" , as the Bible states..."MY PEOPLE PERISH BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE".......
LISTEN FOR THE LAST TIME:
THE REASON AND ONLY REASON IAM UPSET IS BECAUSE...MANY OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED...HAVE GONE UPC...
THINKING THE GRASS IS "GREENER" OVER THERE.....
AS LONG AS WE ARE IN THIS WORLD FULL OF SIN, ENVY, AND FRAUD ETC., WE WILL SEE THIS IN ANY DEMONAMINATION....
IAM "TRYING" TO TELL YOU THAT THE ONES THAT HAVE LEFT TO THE UPC ETC., ARE NO BETTER OFF THEN IF THEY HAD STAYED AND "PRAYED" FASTED" AND "FOUGHT", AS MOSES AND DAVID AND JOSHUA FOUGHT FOR GOD'S CAUSE...IN THEIR OWN APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY ROOTS....
IN ORDER TO TELL THE ONES THAT HAVE GONE "THE LITTLE SPANISH SIS AND BROTHER" TO THE UPC.
IS THAT THINGS HAVE EVOLVED, AS FAR AS TREATING THE "MEXICAN" DESCENTANTS,"A LITTTTTLE BETTER.....
AND ONLY BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR EDUCATION AND THE SALARIES THAT "THESE LITTLE SPANISH SIS AND BRETHREN ARE NOW EARNING."
BIG OFFERINGS, AND BIG TITHES!!!!!
NOTHING ELSE...
WHY DO I SAY THIS. I SAY THIS BECAUSE I "LIVED IT" AND NO--ONE TOLD ME AS IAM TELLING YOU...
"I LIVED IT" AND SAW THE UPC PASTOR DENY THE BAPTISTRY OF HIS UPC CHURCH TO "THE LITTLE SPANISH BRETHREN, PASTOR" BECAUSE THE "LITTLE NEW MEXICANS THAT WANTED TO GET BAPTIZED WERE "NOT DISINFECTED TO GET INTO THE BAPTISTRY."!!!!!!!!
ALSO BROTHER CLYDE AND SIS OLIVE HANEY, REFUSED THEIR SON KENNY TO ASSOCIATE WITH ANY "LITTLE SPANISH SISTERS, WHILE WE WERE IN BIBLE COLLEGE IN STOCKTON.....
NO ONE TOLD ME THIS I SAW IT I EXPERIENCED AND ----IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.....HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR "EDUCATION AND MONEYEEEEEEEE IN BEHAVE OF THE "LITTLE SPANISH SIS AND BRETHREN."
IN THE 40, 50, 60THS WHEN ANY NEW IMMIGRANTS WOULD FIND A UPC CHURCH, USUALLY SENT FROM THE PASTORS OF CENTRAL AMERICA OR MEXICO..
IF THE NEW IMMIGRANTS WOULD "BY MISTAKE ENTER" INTO A UPC CHURCH, THE PASTOR OF THE UPC WOULD TELL THEM...
"THERE ON THE CORNER OF MAIN AND 1ST., IS A "LITTLE SPANISH CHURCH'
YOU CAN GO THERE"
BUT AFTER "THE UPC SUPERINTENDENT IN ST., LOUIS, MO., HAD CONFERENCES...THEN AND ONLY THEN --
-- IT WAS DECIDED TO "ACCEPT" THOSE "LITTLE SPANISH PEOPLE"...BY "FORMING" THEIR OWN OWNED "SEPARATE CHURCH'''ONLY TO BE STILL "OWNED AND SUPERVISED BY THE "WHITE MASSA UPC PASTOR.....("HISPANIC MINISTRIES"...)
WITH NEVER THE PASTOR OF THE HISPANIC MINISTRIES UPC TO BE IN THE "GENERAL BOARD IN ST., LOUIS, MO.
THE PROPERTIES TO BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED BY THE LOCAL UPC MASSA PASTOR AND HIS HEIRS!!!!!!!....
I BELIEVE FROM YOUR "SCARED DEFENSE" YOU STILL HAVE YOUR "MORMON CULTISH BACKGROUND."
YOU WERE TOO LONG WITH THE MORMONS...
THE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT STATES"
"GIVE ME A CHILD TILL HE IS '"FOUR" YEARS OLD" AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE HIM...".
I COULD TALK ALL NIGHT...BUT THIS IS FOR THOSE AA ROOTED AND GROUNDED IN THE LOVE OF CHRIST APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY, THAT LEFT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT WANT TO STAY AND "DEFEND" THE CHURCH OF GOD, TAUGHT TO YOU BY THE EARLY CHURCH.,
INSTEAD OF STAYING YOU LEFT IT TO "THE HONORABLES"
AS THEY CALL THEMSELVES,
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, MARTIN, MAFFEY, PRADO, AGUILAR, AND SANCHEZ'S BROTHER IN LAW, ARTIE ESPINOZA......
WHAT DID THE "HONORABLES" DO?
THEY CALL THEMSELVES..."THE HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA"...
THEY DID FRAUD IN THE ELECTIONS IN LONG BEACH, NAMING THEIR OWN KIN AND APPOINTING THOSE THAT THEY COULD, CONTROL MUNIPULATE AND "UTILIZE" TO DESTROY AND LYNCH OTHER PASTORS...
THAT IS WHAT THE HONORABLES DID...
LET ME LEAVE YOU TONIGHT WITH THIS BIBLICAL VERSE:
--COLOSSIANS CHAPTER 2:
WRITTEN BY THE APOSTLE PAUL TO THE COLOSSIANS TO BE READ BY THE CHURCH OF LAODICEA WHICH WAS LOCATED ABOUT 11 MILES FROM THE COLOSSIAN CHURCH"
"For I want you to know what a great conflict.....I have for you and those in Laodicia, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh,
that their hearts may be "encouraged'
Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasvive words.
"Beware lest anyone "cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to THE TRADITION OF MEN, ACCORDING TO THE BASIS PRINCIPLES OF THE WORLD, AND NOT ACCORDING TO CHRIST.
FOR IN HIM ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD, BODILY, AND YOU ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, WHO IS THE "HEAD OF ALL, PRINCIPALITY AND POWER.
CHAPTER 2:20-----
THEREFORE, IF YOU DIED WITH CHRIST FROM THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF THE WORLD,
WHY AS THOUGH LIVING IN THE WORLD,
DO YOU "SUBJECT" YOURSELF TO REGULATIONS----?????
SUCH AS DO NOT "TOUCH, DO NOT TASTE, DO NOT HANDLE, WHICH ALL CONCERN THINGS WHICH PERISH WITH THE USING---
"ACCORDING TO THE "COMMANDMENTS AND DOCTRINES OF "MEN"?????
THESE THINGS----(YOUR UPC MAN MADE DRESS CODE" ONLY FOR WOMEN..."MEN CAN RUN AROUND IN "ARMANI, POLO AND OTHER MODERN FASHIONS"""""")
GO GOLFING, AS THE "HONORABLES" AND GO TO "HOOTERS" TO CELEBRATE THE WINS.!!!)))))))).
THE APOSTOLE PAUL CONTINUES---
"THESE THINGS INDEED HAVE AN APPEARANCE OF "WISDOM IN "SELF IMPOSED RELIGION",
FALSE HUMILITY,
AND "NEGLECT OF THE BODY,
BUT ARE OF "NO VALUE TO THE INDULGENCE OF THE FLESH.....
CHAPTER 2:8---
BUT YOU YOURSELVES ARE TO PUT OFF THESE :
RAGE, WRATH, MALICE, BLASPHEMY, FILTHY LANGUAGE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.
DO NOT LIE TO ONE ANOTHER, SINCE YOU PUT OFF THE OLD MAN WITH HIS DEEDS.,
NOW HAVE PUT ON THE NEW MAN WHO IS "RENEWED IN KNOWLEDGE, ACCORDING TO THE IMAGE OF HIM WHO CREATED HIM...
I PETER 3:3---
TO WOMEN:
DO NOT LET YOUR ADORNMENT BE "MERELY OUTWARD--"ARRANGING THE HAIR"
(UPC WOMEN TAKE HOURS TO ARRANGE THEIR HAIR...THERE IS EVEN A U -TUBE ON "HOW TO ARRANGE THEIR HAIR.)
INSTEAD OF INSTRUCTION HOW TO PRAY AND FAST MORE.....)
"ARRANGING THE HAIR, WEARING GOLD, OR PUTTING ON FINE APPAREL---
4- RATHER LET IT BE THE HIDDEN PERSON OF THE HEART, ....WITH THE INCORRUPTIBLE BEAUTY OF A GENTLE AND QUIET SPIRIT, WHICH IS VERY PRECIOUS IN THE SIGHT OF GOD.
DRESSING AS THE HOLY WOMEN SUCH AS SARAH AND OBEYED ABRAHAM.
AMEN AND AMEN AND AMEN.....
"THE DRESS CODE OF THE MORMONS, AND THE CULTS AS THEY ARE PROJECTED IN THE NEWS....ARE NOT OF GOD...
THEY ARE "MAN MADE"
THE SAME WITH THE UPC "STUFFED WITH ROLLERS, DRIED UP HAIR AND TISSUE PAPER, IS OF THEIR OWN MAKINGS....ITS AGINST THE BIBLE. READY I PETER....
THE "REAL BIBLICAL DRESS CODE OF THE WOMEN, ACCORDING TO I PETER IS LIKE "SARAH" THE WIFE OF ABRAHAM, OF OLD......
THE TALIBAN, VEIL AND ALL IS DRESSING LIKE "WOMEN OF OLD"......
DRESS LIKE THAT IF YOU UPC AND AA CRITICS WANT TO BE SOOOOO "SELF RIGHTEOUS AND LEGALISTIC..."
SO DON'T TRY TO TELL THE WORLD YOU ARE 'HOLIER' THAN THOU WITH YOUR DRESS CODE'...
ITS "MAN MADE" FOR THE WOMEN.....
WAKE UP......
BLESSEDAND SLEEPY IN ARIZONA.....
YOU STILL DID NOT GET IT??????
ASK THE LORD TO REVEAL YOUR NONSENCE ON YOUR "MIX UP" HAIR, DRESS....
MODESTY IS OF GOD....BUT ANY PERSON WITH CHRIST "WISDOM" KNOWS THE DIFFERENCES FROM "MODESTY" AND CULTIST DRESS AND HAIR.......
ARE YOU SO LEGALISTIC THAT YOU STILL RIDE A DONKEY???????
OR A CAMEL????INSTEAD OF A CAR?????....
MAY THE GRACE OF GOD HAVE MERCY ON ALL THESE MAN MADE CULTS........
GOOD NIGHT..
To all bloggers:
sorry for "blogging twice"...
maybe it was meant to be read "twice"...
I aplogize...
But only the Lord can reveal this UPC DISCRIMATION...
HISPANIC MINISTRIES...FOR SELF MONATERY GAIN.......it's so true....
God bless you all...
Lehan: come back and fight from within. You, like me still are "attached"....
that love for the "real Apostolic Assembly Brethren is genuine!!!
There are thousands..that need to unite and "fire the Honorables..
And THEIR "DOUBLE SALARIES...
GENERAL BOARDS, AND THEIR LOCAL CHURCHES.......DOUBLE SALARIES...
NOW!!!!!!IN JESUS NAME......
GOD BLESS YOU...
P.S. THE UPC NEEDS A MAN OF GOD LIKE BISHOP ABEL TORRES.... TO ALSO "EXPOSE THEIR LOCAL CHURCES BOARD FRAUD IN ELECTIONS., AND IN ST. LOUIE"!!!!
THANK YOU BISHOP TORRES...
GOD BLESS YOU...AND MAY THE LORD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU AND MAY YOU AND YOUR CONGREGATION... GET A "BIGGER AND BETTER CHURCH BUILDING" FROM THE LORD....
THEN THE ONE THAT WAS "STOLEN" FROM YOU...."BY THE HONORABLES".....
GOOD NIGHT.....
To all readers of this blog, who are many to be sure. I realize you are nodding your head side to side after reading the rantings of Let_Me_Tell_you_Whats_next
I sincerely apologize to my non hispanic friends. Though the patriarch is at times correct in his assertions of past racial injustices. He is equally as culpable for perpetuating this environment of separation.
His opinions are not commonly shared. I happen to know many well-known Spanish UPC pastors who have far less education than me, whom I would gladly wash their feet, and serve under them. They are on fire for the Lord and widely respected in their organization.
I marvel at the success of the Columbian revivals which are held in coliseums not churches in Spanish by the Spanish leadership.
I am curious to know how many young people LMTYWN has mentored. I would like to visit their churches. I would like to visit their food pantries, Recovery programs, Literacy classes, Gang intevention squads. Leadership schools. I would like to read their books that they have written. The truth is he chased them away by not providing a place to serve.
Blessed in AZ. You keep on keepin. Never mind the blather.
I wanna know more about the Hooters thing!
WHO? WHERE? WHY? HOW?
Was Flor azul money used for the entertainment?
To:Thought for the day/let me tell you whats next....
Again you failed to pluck the poop out of your own eye!
Let me tell you about a white brother in an AA church....
He was a gang member who turned his life around...
He married his gang member girl friend...
He went to a bible study and then to a friday night service and received the Holy Ghost.
Sunday service he brought his now wife and she received the Holy Ghost and both were baptized that day.....
His wife was Mexican, so being around Mexicans he new alittle spanish...
The hermanos did not like the fact that this "gabacho" as thay called him ,was married to a mexicana...
The hermanos made many comments each time he walked by "in spanish"
not knowing he understood...They called he savana,gringo,gabacho,palido...
Is every one in the AA racist? NO!
But this did happen...How different are you, with your "Okie" words? Not much!
Let me tell you something, have you stood up to the gb? No you just blogg. Have you turned in you credentials? No, you just blogg.
Fact is you are not who you say you are! You are the decendent of someone bitter...Your fathers pass on their bitterness to you. You been filled with BASURA!
REPENT!
FOR WE ALL SEE YOU AS THE RACIST!
You sir are a coward.
You have no HOLINESS/GODLINESS!
I HOPE YOU ACCEPT THAT REBUKE...
I DOUTB YOU WILL THOUGH, YOU'LL JUST FIND SOME SCRIPTURE TO JUSTIFY YOUR SELF AND ATTACT THE SISTER IN ARIZONA BECAUSE YOU CANT STAND THE FACT SHE HAS A HOLD ON THAT WHICH YOU HAVE LET GO OF....
To all the bloggers; PTL!
Well this message goes out to our brother “I’ll Tell You What’s Next / Thought for the Day”
Well my brother its seems that finally others are seeing what I’ve been saying when you were blogging under the name of “Thought for the Day”
You again come to try and preach your hate, bitterness and discord, what you fail to understand is that the people on here are not looking for someone who is not actually trying to help the cause.
I’ve told you before and I will tell you again, YOUR OWN WORDS BETRAY YOU.
You’ve claimed to be a Pastor – your words do not show this
You’ve claimed to be an 80 something year old man – you seem to be very computer savvy for an 80 year old and the lingo you use shows you are not.
You rebuke everybody for leaving and doing nothing – I ask you “WHAT HAVE YOU DONE” PLEASE TELLS US
You only attack the Dorcas because they are on the board – yet you do not do it to the Varones and Youth – You seem to dislike women for some reason
You now seem to be a “racist” – did you forget that we are called to forgive those who offend us
You say “I lived it” – what gives you the right to assume that we have not
You call us “uneducated” what gives you this right – please tell us what your education is
I can go on but I wont – I think I’ve made my point. My brother you need to get right with God and ask forgiveness and let the bitterness go.
To “For His Glory” “Spread the Word” I wish to say AMEN, AMEN, AMEN and AMEN.
God Bless!
P.S. I’VE ASKED YOU MANY TIMES TO PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS BUT AS OF YET, YOU HAVE NOT, NOT EVEN ONE. BE A MAN OF COURAGE AND ANSEWER THE QUESTIONS I’VE POSED TO YOU IN MY OLDER BLOGGS. MAYBE THEN WE MIGHT TAKE YOU SERIOUS.
paz de cristo
pardon me, but i have to say this:
some of you brothers
make alot of noise about well educaded statements and to percibe wrongdoin only because
you are better educated than your fathers, or others "hermanos"
que no hablan ingles,
la educacion es basura, comparado con el espiritu santo;
cada uno de nosotros somos leidos exactamente por lo que escribimos aqui
i dont have to be a bachelors degree holder, to percibe wrongdoing or fraud or or a fake christian , or abusive pastor or bishop,
(we wait in the Lord HE will deliver us from evil)
i dont even have to speak english,
los cristianos somos cartas leidas
it has allways been part of the proces of the church, even those who depart to seek greener pastures
will see their own problems
lets just be humilde like our
senor y Dios
trabajemos para EL senor JESUCRISTO
a traves delos frutos del espiritu santo
y no de los frutos del la preparacion y el conocicmiento
sometiendonos a las autoridades establecidas por Dios
we r all sinners, only God is truthfull Elias
Redeemedintheblood: Why do you get so defensive with Let me tell what's next? Is it because he or she is saying something that really makes you feel uncomfortable? Being bias here if I'll tell what's next is speaking lies what makes you think what you have to say is truth. I don't see you adding your name,address,city or church for your word to be valid. We don't know you or Let me tell you what's next. No one does so don't get all uptight with someone just because they're giving their version of the story regarding the GB of the AA. No one is to blame here but them they are the one's who created this mess in the organization in 2006! So don't take this personal. Whatever will happen will happen. If it means the GB's are thrown out or not it is all in God's hands. The truth will come out and some of us will just have to eat our words!
Elias
You are absolutely correct. Thank you for pointing out that we should be led of the spirit not education.
I believe the very educated Saul the persecutor of the Jews eh the LMTYWN of his age was interupted by the spirit on the road to doing what he PERCEIVED was right.
Perhaps we could educate our friend LMTYWN would those fruits are. Perhaps you could list them for us one by one so we can all learn again.
You know the more I hear him rant the better the Honorables are starting to look.
Your UPCERS and UPC Pastors:
Get out of our Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Blogs:
You have enough discriminatory issues and self denial issues to repent from..
As far as the Columbian Brethren, ask Brother David Zuniga,he was a PK of one of the most annointed Jesus Name Pastor and Bishop of the UPC Church in Colomia,.
but did Pastor David Zuniga and his brother Pastor Domingo Zuniga who is a great Evangelist for the Apostolic Assembly...did they go UPC when they came to the USA.????.No they did not...
The "honorables never accepted Pastor David Zuniga,because Pastor Zuniga was "too annointed and educated and "Word of Knowledge annointed".
Pastor David Zuniga we know that recently is now part with Bishop Baldemar, Salomon and Bishop Torres in the Aposotolic World Alliance....
Why did't Pastor Zuniga go UPC after Haney called Bishop Baldemar to join them?
Because these Bishops , Baldemar, Salomon, Torres and Zuniga, know the "real reason" of the UPC's agenda..
I've been telling you that sure the Missionaries of the UPC do great work in the "Mission field", but that is where they are 'treated like Royalty"
But don't those "Wanna be Americans", LOL immigrants come and try to go and worship in the services of the UPC...The Upc will send them to the "Hispanic Ministeries"..
For you that stated that Im releasing demons,..I"ll tell you that in the Name of Jesus Iam rebuking the Spirit of "self", discrimination, control, evil, lies,and munipulation on the monies of the "new immigrants." and of those AA members that have left the AA to go to the UPC and have been "lied" too that they are truly accepted.......
Iam quoting "scripture" Bible doctrine from the Apostle Paul and the Apostle Peter.....
You cannot deny this...and if you do not like it 'LEAVE OUR BLOGS'....
YOU HAVE YOUR OWN RACIST ISSUES TO ADDRESS TOO.
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I TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN...I LIVED IT.,,NO ONE TOLD ME ON THE RACIST ISSUES OF THE UPC...
I KNEW PERSONALLY SISTER OLIVE AND EVEN HER HUSBAND...
I KNEW KENNY WHEN HE HIMSELF WAS AT ABCOLLEGE...
SO DON'T TELL ME THIS HAS GONE AWAY...
ITS THERE INBEDDED...INDOCTRINATED...AND INNATE.......
SO YOU DO NOT LIKE THE TRUTH...THEN AGAIN I SAY "LEAVE OUR BLOGS."
IAM ONLY WRITING THIS TO IINFORM OUR YOUNGER GENERATIONS OF APOSTOLICS THAT THE UPC IS "ONLY USING THEM>"
THEY WILL NEVER HOLD A BISHOP (SUPERINTENDENT POSITION) THEY WILL NEVER "OWN" A CHURCH PROPERTY...
THEY WILL NEVER BE ANY PLACE NEAR ST. LOUIE, IN THE GENERAL BOARD....
SO SEE, ITS THE SAME AS THE "HONORABLES" CONTROL...
BUT DON'T LEAVE THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY...
HELP US HERE AND PRAY AND FAST, AND EMPOWER THE "NEW IMMIGRANT" WITH "WORD OF kNOWLEDGE, ENGLISH, TO INFORM THEM ON "EDUCATING" THEIR CHILDREN...
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TO REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD:
I ALSO OWE YOU AN ANSWER" WHY THE "DORCAS"...
WELL THE "DORCAS" THAT ARE "APPOINTED BY THE "HONORABLES" SINCE THE 1960'S..SANTA AND GEORGINA...
THESE TWO WOMEN "ALLOW" THE ABUSE THE "HONORABLES DO TO HAVE THEIR CONGREGATION "DORCAS" FOCUS ON "RAISING FUNDS" FOR THE "HONORABLES"...AND THE "HONORABLES" CALL IT "FOR MISSIONS".....
ASK ANY MISSIONARY HOW MUCH THEIR SALARIES ARE IN THE MISSION FIELD.
SANCHEZ, VALVARDE AND PACHECO, IT IS KNOWN "GET $10,000.00 EVERY FOUR WEEKS.....RAIN OR SHINE...\
"PLUS"........................ THEIR ELAVORATE SALARIES FROM THEIR LOCAL CHURCHES!!!!!!
THE DORCAS ARE EXPLOITED BY "SANTA AND GEORGINA, FROM ORDERS OFTHE "HONORABLES TO THE
LOCAL CHURCH WISE, SECTOR AND DISTRICT AND STATE WIDE.....
THEN THE LOCAL CHURCH ARE IN NEED OF REPAIRS, CHURCH BUILDING EXPANSION...BUT ALL THE "FUND RAISING MONEY" GOES TO THE"HONORABLES...
MANY OF MY PASTOR FRIENDS HAVE SECULAR JOBS AND ALSO "TRY TO PASTOR" AND ALSO THEIR WIVES."
I CRITICIZE "SANTA AND GEORGINA" BECAUSE "THEY KNOW" REAL GOOD THE EXPLOIATION OF THESE MONIES....
GOING FOR TOP "SALARIES OF THE :HONORABLES"
EVENTHOUGH THE "HONORABLES" HAVE THE OWN CHURCHES SALARIES...
NOW THE "VARONES' ARE NOT SO EXPLOIATED BY THE "HONORABLES" BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE "WOMEN OF THE AA HAVE ALL TYPES OF FUND RAISING PROJECTS"
LA FLOR AZUL, MANO A MANO, RAFFLES, BAKE SALES ETC.,
THAT IS WHY I "FOCUS" ON THE "DORCAS"
BECAUSE EVENTHOUGH THEY "PRETEND TO HAVE "DORCAS" ELECTIONS., IN THE CONVENTIONS....
THE SAME ONES "SANTA AND GEORGINA" ARE APPOINTED BY THE "HONORABLES",, BECAUSE THESE TWO ARE "WELLLLLLLL
TRAINED.............!!!!!!
BY THE HONORABLES..."HOW TO MAKE MONIES FOR THE"HONORABLES"....
AS FAR AS THE VARONES, THEY ALSO HAVE TO "RAISE" MONIES.....BUT NOT TO THE EXTEND OF THE "FLOR AZUL, MANO A MANO AND OTHER PROJECTS.
I LOVE THE "DORCAS" OF THE AA...
VERY MUCH...BUT I DISPISE THE FACT THAT MANY "HAVE TOLD ME THEY HAVE NEGLECTED THEIR " CHILDREN " IN ORDER TO "PRODUCE FOR THE "HONORABLES>"
THESE "DORCAS" LADIES HAVE ALOT OF CONDENATION "GUILT" IF THEY DO NOT "PRODUCE FOR "SANTA AND GEORGINA AND THE "HONORABLES"......
NO ONE WILL EVER SEE THE WIVES OF SANCHEZ, VALVARDE, AGUILAR AND PACHECO WIVES MAKING "TAMALES AND THE FLOR AZUL FUND RAISING ALL OVER THE APOSOTLIC ASSEMBLY CHUCHES...
THEY ARE DRIVING THEIR BENZES AND THEIR BEEMERS AND SHOPPING IN NY!!!!
THAT MY DEAREST REDEEMEDBY THE BLOOD BROTHER IS WHY I INFORM OVER AND OVER ON THE "DORCAS ON SANTA AND GEORGINA....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...
BUT IT WILL NEVER "SINK IN"...
ONLY THE POWER OF THE LORD WILL DELIVER THEM....
THAT IS WHY THEY GO INTO A "WEEK OF SOLACE" AT THE HOTEL RETREATS....
NOW THAT SANTA ONCE "SAW A MOUSE" AND HAS TO HAVE THE "RETREAT A LA SANTA STYLE.....THE "HILTON".....
THE BIBLE STATES" WOMAN WILL BE SAVED BY HAVING CHILDREN AND GUIDING THEM IN THE WAY OF THE LORD....."
NOT MAKING TAMALES FOR "SANTA AND GEORGIE."
THAT IS MY ISSUE, MY DEAR BROTHER...
ITS NOT 'PERSONAL' WITH THOSE TWO LADIES. ITS HOW THEY "EXPLOIT" THE REST OF THE "SAINTLY DORCAS" WHO'S ONLY DESIRE IS TO "PLEASE".
SANTA AND GEORGINA., WHO PLEASE "ONLY THE "HONORABLES" BIG SALARIES.. AND NOT GOD....
BROTHER ANTONIO, KNOWS MORE THAN I CAN EVER TELL YOU....
BUT HONESTLY WE GET "TIRED" OF INFORMING...AND PEOPLE "JUST ARE SO "BRAIN WASHED" AND "SLEEPY IN ARIZONA:
I WILL PRAY FOR HER... BECAUSE IF SHE READ THE WORD OF GOD THAT I QUOTED LAST NIGHT....
AND ITS STILL "NOT SINKING" IN AND THE UPC PASTOR ETC., THEN ITS BECAUSE....THE "BRAIN CONTROL CULT HAS REALLY CULTROLLED.
AND THEY CALL MY INFORMATION "SINISTER", BECAUSE IT ELECTRFIED A "TIGHT NERVE"!!!!!
ONLY THE LORD CAN "RELEASE THEM, AND ENLIGHTMENT AND REDEEM THEIR "CONTROLLED" THOUGHTS...
THE ONES THAT GET "SO ANGRY" AND SO UPSET IS BECAUSE AS "REMEMBERING" STATED....IT HITS HOME.....
I SAY, " IF THE SHOE FITS WEAR IT"...
IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT "THROW IT AWAY."
LIVE AND BE SAVED BY "GRACE AND NOT BY WORKS..."
YOU CAN WRITE AND TELL ME OFF ALL YOU WANT......EVEN AS SOMEONE DID USING "A FOUR LETTER WORD"..
I DO NOT CARE.
I LIVED IT MY DEAR BRETHREN...
NO ONE GAVE IT TO ME TO BE ANGRY....
I ONLY GET "DISGUSTED" BECAUSE NOW THAT OUR "BEAUTIFUL YOUNG GENERATION OF APOSTOLICS ARE EDUCATED AND EARNING TOP PROFESSIONAL MONIES....
NOW THEY ARE NO LONGER IN NEED OF "DISINFECTING" TO GET INTO THE BAPTISTRY......
LORD JESUS PLEASE "OPEN THEIR EYES", AND LET THEM STAY AND RETURN, AS "THE PROPHET NEHEMIAS" DID...
HE CAME BACK TO "REBUILT" THE GREAT WALL IN JERUSALEM......
HE NEVER "FORGOT" HIS ROOTS....
HE SAVED HIS PEOPLE...
I WILL PRAY AS I AM DOING AND FASTING AS MANY OF US ARE DOING...THAT WE WILL BE "FREED" FROM THIS "HONORABLES" AND THE LORD WILL BRING BACK.......ALLL THE
EXCILED NEHEMIAS....TO "REBUILT" THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS....
AND LEAVE THE 'OKIES, AND ARKIES AND THE OZARKS DESCENDENT TO THEMSELVES....
THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES" "DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY YOKED""""..
GET IT BRETHRE???? GET IT GOOD!!!!
"MY EYES WILL SEE THE GLORY OF THE POWER OF THE LORD TOWARD THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY...."
IN JESUS NAME....REMEMBER """YOU CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST THAT STRENGTHS YOU......."!~!!!!!!!
MAY THE "GRACE" OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST BE WITH ALL OF YOU...
GOOD AFTER NOON......
Well Said LMTYWN!
IAMREAL
SPREAD THE WORD.....
PLEASE.........!!!!!
DID YOU KNOW THAT ELIJAH ATTENDED A COLLEGE SET UP ESPECIALLY FOR THE TEACHING OF THE "EDUCATION" NEEDED TO TEACH OTHERS ON THE WORD OF GOD.FOR PROPHETS..
DID YOU KNOW THAT ALL THE PROPHETS WHERE JUST AS "ANNOINTED"..
MINOR PROPHETS ARE THE ONES THAT "WROTE LESS" AND MAJOR PROPHETS ARE THE ONES LIKE EQEQUIEL AND ISAIASH THAT WROTE MORE.....
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE..WRITING MORE AND WRITING LESS.....
DID YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THE SHEPARD DAVID WENT TO THAT SCHOOL MANY TIMES DURING HIS "HOME BREAK"...
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE lORD PREPARED THE WAY THAT MOISES WOULD BE FOUND BY THE DAUGHTER OF PHAROAH,IN EGYPE...SO MOISES WOULD BE "TAUGHT" TO READ AND WRITE, AND THEREFORE WAS ABLE TO "LEAVE THE GLORIOUS SCRPTURES OF GENESIS TO PART OF DEUTOEROMONY?????
DID YOU KNOW THAT JESUS HIMSELF TAUGHT THE PHARISES, AND THE SCRIBES DURING THE TIME HE "GOT LOST FROM HIS PARENTS"?
DID YOU KNOW THAT SAUL WAS BEING PREPARED BY THE LORD JESUS BY HAVING SAUL BE TRAINED AS A PHARASIE, AT THE FEET OF GAMALIEL,
AND INTURN "KNEW ARAMAIC, HEBREW AND GREEK, THE LANGUAGE WITH THE PERFECT GRAMMAR.
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CONVERTED APOSTOLE PAUL WAS "ALLOWED" BY GOD TO BE IN "CHAINS" SO THAT THE APOSTOLE PAUL A MAN OF GOD PAUL WOULD WRITE HALF OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WHILE IN CHAINS....
SO YOU AND I COULD "FOLLOW" THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST????
DID YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF THE REASONS, EXCEPT FOR SO MUCH "LACK OF DISCIPLINE"
...
THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CLERGY IS ABLE TO "REACH" OR SPEAK TO PROFESSIONALS AND CAMPECINOS"LAY PEOPLE)...BECAUSE OF THE EXTENSIVE
EDUCATION THEY ARE "REQUIRED" TO RECEIVE BEFORE THEY ARE "ORDAINED"....
DID YOU KNOW THAT "ONLY THROUGH SCARED TACTICS , ARE UPC AA AND OTHER PENTECOSTALS THAT DO NOT ATTEND SCHOOL ARE ABLE TO "TRY TO EXPLAIN TO NEW CONVERTS......
THINGS LIKE GENESIS 1:27?
TO EXPLAIN WHO WAS GOD SPEAKING TOO IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, WHEN GOD SAID, "LET US MAKE MAN IN "OUR" OWN IMAGINE."?
EDUCATION CAN GO TO THE HEAD, THAT;S TRUE....
BUT IMAGINE, THE KNOW IT ALL "HONORABLES" WHO NEVER WENT TO SCHOOL...WHAT HAPPENS., AS THE BIBLE STATES...
"DO NOT SET ASIDE TO MINISTRY A NOVICE., LACK OF KNOWLEDGE., FOR HIS HEAD WILL INFLADE>''
PUFF UP WITH SELF PRIDE...
THE BIBLE STATED "STUDY TO SHOW THYSELF."'
AND THE APOSTOLE PAUL WROTE TO TIMOTHY..."BRING ME THE "BOOKS" AND MY COAT".....
DON'T MAKE EXCUSES FOR NOT "STUDYING"....
THE LORD DESPISES A "LOFTLESS PERSON."
IT TAKES YEARS TO STUDY THE "ORIGINAL LANGUAGES" AS PAUL DID......
DON'T KNOCK IT IF YOU CAN'T REACH IT!!!!
THE LORD LOVES A HUMBLE SPIRIT.....
TO BE A PASTOR TAKES ALOT OF PRAYER, FASTING AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES AND SCRIPTURE......
ONE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY LADY RECENTLY TOLD ME THAT SHE HAD LEFT THE AA BECAUSE HER PASTOR WAS NOT ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO HER THE "SABBATH".....
IF YOU ARE EDUCATED IN THE WORD OF GOD AND KNOW THE ORGINAL LANGUAGES, THEN YOU CAN "BIBLICALLY DISCUSS THESE SCRIPTURES, THAT THE TRINTY, THE MORMONS AND THE CATHOLIC AND THE MAIN STREAM DOCTRINES WILL "ATTACK YOU WITH"...
"SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES, FOR THEY WILL LEAD YOU TO ETERNAL LIFE."
GOD BLESS YOU.
WOW YOU PEOPLE NEED HELP!!!!!
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US.
LMTYWN
My prayer today is for you.
Philipians 4:6 be anxious for nothing pray for everthing
That you will find peace somehow. That you may lay down your sword. Your war is not with flesh. You are doing far more damage to OUR church than you know.
Paul writes to the Philipi from Jail he says "STOP ARGUING" they were doing precisely what you are doing. The whole bible you read and memorize is useless unless you apply it.
The men you speak of Haney and the rest have endured much personal sufferings for their choices. Many a UPC pastor have lost their families to sin. Have endured great personal afflication. No man goes unscathed. But of course you will feel vindicated.
You criticize the educated. Then criticize the uneducated. You desire the cast offs to return then challenge their understanding.
The constitution of the AA does not permit individuality. It does not reward personal accomplishments. It binds and restrains. This organization rewards influence and exposure.
This terrible combination conceals the inadequacy of the model. It stifles personal incentive. It does not have long term growth potential.
sadly, If I have learned anything from you is that I should leave the Assembly and look towards the new organization for my future.
A new organization that promotes service, education, love, charity, kindness, responsibility, accountability, caring one for another.
What am I saying? Is that possible they are the same kind of men that remain here.
GOD HAVE MERCY ON US
SpreadTheWord......Also well put...
IAMREAL
To lay down the sword is to die!
The truth about the dishonorable eight must not cease to be unheard.
If someone has damaged the AA, it has been by the hands of the dishonorable eight.
The new organization?
After I heard of Solomon's tantrum at the convention, leave me out of that one too.
Yes I do agree that we must forgive the racist things done to our people by a chosen few, but we can't lay down the sword and just forget about it either.
My two Cents
Truth For Once,
Will you promise to stay out of the AWA? Because the AWA doesn't need someone like you anyway. A number of "Wise & Holy Bloggers" of this site are always looking for an imperfection or miscue to have an excuse not to join or associate and are afraid to admit their choice of where they will worship.
Bro Salomon spoke God's word and many were touched by the Message because they chose to ignore his miscue of events. All that he was trying to do was give an example of feeling being left in the dark and how he began to dance in the dark.
Thats the problem he was dancing in the dark. when he should have been dancing in the light!
Truth for Once
What is the truth? That men left to their own devices are evil. That men led of their own amitions cannot see? That men seeking justice themselves break Gods commandment.
We are not at war! any man felled by your sword during this time is considered a murderer therefore a transgressor.
Your war is fought by your keystrokes. What will you say to the Lord when asks you by what discernment did you receive to kill my annointed.
Whatever the case may be. Wrong as they may have been. You my friend will be judged by the merits of your offense not theirs.
Now I ask which of your loved ones are you willing to submit in exchange for your justice. I would say none. The battle is the Lords.
In time if we seek Him an Worship with deserving praise He will remedy the situation without any intervention on our part.
Meanwhile your job is to go and help someone out of the lake of fire. So get busy.
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