So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?
Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.
Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.
You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.
I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".
Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.
You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.
Back to the Revolutionaries...
If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.
I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.
Apostolic Voice
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To Hallelujah Anyhow: UPC
You see, you cannot leave us. Your are still with us at heart here at the AA
Come back as you desire. You are in the Hispanic ministeries of the UPC but actually you are in the UPC Owner owned White Plantation..
We miss you too. Don't worry the Lord will get rid of the Gb. In Jesus name..You'll see.
The UPC has as much "legalism" as the AA. Hair, pants and paint not allowed. HA. Not true.
Welcome back help us to 'fight from within.'
In Jesus Name.
Believe me NO ONE IN THE FUTURE GB WILL BE ABLE TO BE IN gb WITHOUT BEING 'GOOGLED FROM BIRTH...
It's not worth it....
Old-man made standards,period.
No short sleeve shirt, no shorts,wedding rings, no movies,watch that you do not stand on the platform,no musicians on platform,etc.so on,and on.....
In the UPC, the platform was for ALL forms of ministry which includes musicians,choir members,praise teams, special-ED pro for the hearing impaired,etc. With that said, they were required by the Pastor to pray and consecrate themselves before service.
The times have evolved to the modern times we live in. The reason for all of the hype as far as the platform goes was because ministers were thinking that it was only for the elect only, others say it was sacred area for respect to the preacher for the message,etc. I found out a long time ago that everyone from the choir member to the oldest minister are ALL EQUAL before GOD. We are all ministers as we are ministering to the entire church congregation,giving GOD the highest PRAISE. Anyone agree??
Its the old mentality folks. Some people wake from this behavior with respect to all ministers. Other churches are still blinded by the traditions.
This is the reason I put this youtube video to look at this very perspective.
1.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDfN1JWsFw
2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZb1adOsr4Y
I know for a fact that some of "Oldtimer Board Members" wanted to approve the "wedding band", as part of the "Union in marriage".
But several I know their names, but why mention them..Did not approve.
Reason expounded was "We allow "wedding bands" and soon there will be demand for diamonds." "And we are not rich, we are poor and then there will be high risk of "competition" between households."
The Assemblies of God and others that "claim" to have come out of the AZusa Street Revival WERE in the "legalist" mode, but have been liberated.
Jesus himself in the parable of "The Prodigal son" stated on the value of celebration the prodigal's son's return, included the "ring".
Part of an important celebration has always been the symbol of the ring.
"Cars, houses, clothes, pleasure trips and vacation homes have evolved but not "jewlery..
(watches were on the same hand as the ring are "ok.")
"Sports,, Olympics and Golf and even going to the theatre and movies houses.." Are quitely handled..
"Control and munipulation"..How sad.....
I have seen soem GB members wearing MOVADO watches with 4 diamonds instead of numerals.
How do we explain this?
No wonder the "explosion" came from within.
But remember "Love Lifted Me".
Beautiful song.
becausewecare, you said it nicely and hit the spot.Very well said.
HallelujahAnyhow:
"I do believe it's biblical when you dig into the scriptures more. Being UPC for the last 3 years, it's only been within the last 2 that the Pastor has given us permission to get rid of the velos and we are now permitted within the last year to wear wedding rings"
Are you serious??? The PASTOR has to give you "permission" to do these things? Who are we serving man or God?
So are you going to cut your hair when the pastor feels it's not wrong anymore?
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"I do think preaching standards from the pulpit definately has its place because it's not preached enough and sadly enough parents stop teaching their kids at home."
"standards" have NO place on the pulpit, nor your pastors personal convictions; how sad it is that we think we are self-righteous to convey or standards or morals on other people.
I would never allow someone to tell me or my family how to dress or where to go or not go! The fact that we are easily impressed or convinced that what a Pastor tells you it truth goes to show how shallow we are!
Believe me with all this mess in the AA with regards to fraud, embezzlements, molestation, adultery, out right theft, standards should be the least of our worries!
HallelujahAnyhow,
You are absolutely wrong when you say that God performs miracles according to whether or not a woman cuts her hair. Even, if it's a result of being obedient to your pastor.
No one can be obedient enough to merit a miracle, much less salvation. Our deeds are as filthy rags, and yes even your long hair. When compared to what was done on the cross and what you're doing on your scalp, I'd rather put my trust on the cross than on my scalp.
These kinds of miracles can only come by faith, prayer and fasting. Jesus said it, not me nor Paul the apostle.
TO Jesse
How interesting your post from 08-26-08 2:17PM. You mentioned that Sanchez' mom's nickname was Cuca and that she would be shocked to se what her son has done to the AA. Well FYI there is another mom with the same nickname (Cuca) and trust me she is very proud of her son Rev. Abel Torres she stands by him and is so proud of what he stands for! May I say more! This info has been confirmed by a reliable source in Midland. What a coincidence HUH!
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
Halleluja anyhow, I want to commend you for the revelation you received on not cutting your hair.
There is a Host of angelic beings that protect you because of you're un-cut hair.
Yes some standards are man-made but they can help in our walk with God if taught properly, not all believe but ask them who made the ark? Noah.(The Man of God).
The standards I teach in my humble church I call My House Hold Policies. No one is forced to follow them, if someone wants to be in the ministry then they choose to accept these standards.
I am against TV because I have no business wasting time filling my head with junk when there is a lost and dying world. Thats just me.
Most people consider me a ultra-conservative, I just see myself as someone who wants to please God in every area of my life inside and out. I thank God for my wifes un-cut hair, its given her many opportunities to witness. I am against when people say something is biblical and is not, but if we think about it we wear uniforms (some of us) for work, and other things. We shave why not for God/church?
I love when the young girls ask my wife about her hair and other standards then you see them following her example. Did I mentioned my wife and I are in our 20s.
I also practice the whight shirt rule, not because colors are carnal but because whight shirts to me look better, but if someone wears something colorful hey Praise God! My wife doesn't preach because she doesn't feel the call but believe you me if she did, I'd allow it! She does lay hands and is a powerful women of God.
So am I a legalist or liberal?
Answer, just someone who wants to do the will of God.
Last, stay where you are at sister you're on the right track!
P.S. I know your pastor, when he left I still had him preach for me.
Say hello to Michael T. for me.
AC,
You cannot be serious? There is a host of angelic beings that protect you because of your uncut hair?
So then, what happened to the pastor's wife and baby who were burnt to death in a car accident? What happened to the christian long haired woman who lost her husband to adultery? What happened to the teenage long haired girl who was killed by a drunk driver?
You absolutely cannot limit nor manipulate God's will with your hair. ALL things work for good to those that love HIM! Not to those who leave their hair uncut. I've seen many woman with long hair but resent our LORD.
Praise the Lord ac
I'm so glad to hear of your love the the Lord and desire to serve Him. I to hold close the standard we were taught 30 years ago. My wifes long hair has been also a testimony of who she serves. White shirts are for me for church. Love them. Legalist? I doesn't bother me as long as I know what the Lord has done in my life and the gratitude I serve Him with. Doesn't it make you seem that all these backsliders that critizice how we dress are so perfect that they don't judge anybody. Wow!!!!
I'd like to see how long their tongues are. An maybe they love the Lord so much that its alright for their wifes to be exhibiting there tight clothing and extra short skirts. Wow what a God they serve. No standards or principles.
for the post about you saying you miss us in the AA you are kidding me right??? LOL WE don't miss it. Because you are a member of a certain organization isn't it common practice that the pastor uphold it's standards and practices? In the AA it was the veil and no wedding rings. Even though the girls wore veils, it didn't keep them from cutting their hair. For some, it is not biblical-but an old tradition. I am not limiting God in any way by saying he doesn't perform miracles and such when women do cut their hair. However, with that said there is power on your head because of the angels when your hair is uncut! It's biblical. I encourage you to read books by Sis. Ruth Reider (Harvey) Her books regarding hair and all that goes with it is amazing! I recommend this book for anyone that thinks not cutting your hair is an old tradition.
Also, for the comment on the pastor preaching standards. Preaching standards is not legalism. I don't believe that he is there to say skirts must be this length, sleves this length, etc. but merely encouraging the church that holiness and modesty before the Lord are beautiful both inside and out.
When we left the AA, there was some confusion for some time in the church regarding veils. Do we still wear veils, do we not? Some new converts came in wearing wedding rings. The pastor prayed about it and decided that if in your marriage this is something you and your spouse decide on with good taste he see's no problem with it. In good taste meaning, you dont' put your family in debt just to buy wedding rings. When you leave everything you've ever known, you start to look at the things you have always done out of obedience. Those of us in ministry there is a higher expectation because whether we want them to or not people look at us for examples. I do not cut my hair this is my commitment I made to the Lord. I've given a bible study on it and done lots of reading on the subject and believe it with my whole heart to be biblical. The pastor or his wife do not stand at the door to the church measuring our skirts, sleves,hair lenth etc. We are a peculiar people. Why would we want to conform to the world and look just like them? We want to be separate and holy for him. True holiness does not being outwardly but inward. You can look holy all you want but if your heart is not right than what is it really worth? These are my beliefs and opinions. In no way do I think that everyone should believe the way I do. The only thing I suggest is to do your research in the scriptures and to seek God for his direction.
Trophyman, thank you for your response to gq1973 the old gal with the same old song "Sombody done somebody wrong song" is becoming old. This person has some serious problems. I recommend she OR he join Apo-Holic Anonymous and get some help because it seems to me he or she is trying to break away from the AA habit which is condeming others while they commit greater sins with their tongue.
Are you kidding me? Now this blog is talking about hair? Why don't you all go CREATE another blog so you can discuss your hair and make-up and crap like that, some place else! This is not what this blog was intended for.
Come on blog master ......ARE YOU SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE????? YOU MUST PUT AN END TO THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!
Blogmaster...uhg!!!!I know it's whatever the people bring to the table . But rings and watches??? i don't think so. Next!
Hector,
I never said it was limited to un-cut hair, there are many things that are not taught properly. And that is the reason for resentment, there's lots of things that happen, even more so when you surrender everything to God. What matters most is how we live and if what we do is to honor man or to honor God. Do I live to please Him? If so, come hell and high waters He is the only thing that matters.
I am a firm believer in God's protection arn't you?
My Father died a very horrable death, he was killed. That doesn't mean God's hand of protection was not on him it's just all of us have our days numbered, who am I to question God.
Remember, To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
AC! Your comment just reminded me of the preaching from Sunday. Bro. Miguel Hernandez preached at our church on Sunday. He mentioned that a few months ago his father passed away. Before that the church had been experiencing awesome moves of God -healings, deliverences, etc. He felt full of the power and holy ghost and went to pray for his father whom I believe he said he suffered from lung cancer. His father was a saved man. He went to pray for his father and then a few months later he died. Bro. Hernandez was very saddened that God was healing and delivering people in his church but yet did not heal his father. He questioned God. God told him that he did heal him. he's in heaven with no more pain. he was healed just not the way that you wanted him to be healed. Many times we ask God why does this happen or why doesnt' that happen? Who are we to question God? I've done it several times. when life isn't going according to our plans. I think the majority of us have questioned God from time to time. God has given each adn every one of us a plan for our lives. he's also given us his roadmap to salvationn and glory-the bible. Some may interpret the scriptures one way and others another way. Not saying that a woman or man who wears short sleves is wrong or a woman that wears a skirt above her knees is wrong. None of us can judge another of what is right or wrong. That is for God to decide.
To: HallelujahAnyhow
"I encourage you to read books by Sis. Ruth Reider (Harvey) Her books regarding hair and all that goes with it is amazing! I recommend this book for anyone that thinks not cutting your hair is an old tradition. "
Now let me understand this, we should read her book because she explains it better than the bible? ok...
You all should have just stayed in the AA since you still like to be manipulated by man.
FYI-we are not manipulated by a man! Our pastor does not preach standards from the pulpit and does nto tell women they can't cut their hair. Those that are mature christians read the bible and also seek literature on certain subjects. Why read books at all concerning certain concepts of fasting, tithing,prayer, etc. if the bible is the only text we should read? The people writing books on certain subjects can maybe shed some light in a way that makes more sense to us. Every holy ghost filled christian should be able to filter what is bilical and what is someone's actual opinion. The author I mentioned I actually heard her preach on the subject of hair and until I heard her message about hair, the covering, the mercy seat, etc. etc. and hiow they are related I thought the veil was my only covering and no matter waht I did to my hair, cut it, color it, etc I just put a veil on my head and I was ok. Some may feel that way and that is fine.
Hallelujah Anyhow said...
AC! Your comment just reminded me of the preaching from Sunday. Bro. Miguel Hernandez preached at our church on Sunday. He mentioned that a few months ago his father passed away. Before that the church had been experiencing awesome moves of God -healings, deliverences, etc. He felt full of the power and holy ghost and went to pray for his father whom I believe he said he suffered from lung cancer. His father was a saved man. He went to pray for his father and then a few months later he died. Bro. Hernandez was very saddened that God was healing and delivering people in his church but yet did not heal his father. He questioned God. God told him that he did heal him. he's in heaven with no more pain. he was healed just not the way that you wanted him to be healed. Many times we ask God why does this happen or why doesnt' that happen? Who are we to question God? I've done it several times. when life isn't going according to our plans. I think the majority of us have questioned God from time to time. God has given each adn every one of us a plan for our lives. he's also given us his roadmap to salvationn and glory-the bible. Some may interpret the scriptures one way and others another way. Not saying that a woman or man who wears short sleves is wrong or a woman that wears a skirt above her knees is wrong. None of us can judge another of what is right or wrong. That is for God to decide.
August 26, 2008 9:36 PM
I agree! Reminds me of the book of Job in several ways.
Halleluja anyhow! You know exactly what your talking about!!!!!
I've been talked about because when a visitor comes to my church and gets the Holy Ghost I baptize them!
I will never tell them they need bible studies first, thats not biblical.
Once baptize I just tell them to "plug in" then they start asking questions as to why we do this and why we do that, then comes the bible studies!
And they love it!
I am first generation Apostolic/Pentecostal. My husband is 2nd generation. I was introduced to Pentecost at the early age of 14. Never ever hearing of the pentecostal/apostolic movement before I was very curious as to what it was. I have been in church for many years now. My family thought it was a phase, wouldn't last etc. Oh well...anyhow with that being said about 3 months ago my mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. I prayed for her, the church prayed for her and she went through some testing. When all testing was done. there was no cancer! Glory to God! She doesnt' recognize that God healed her. I've been praying for her salvation for 15 yrs. In Jesus name some day she will realize that God healed her adn she will come to know him. this just proves that God moves and does miracles even with sinners, people who say they don't believe in him....not only women with uncut hair or are taught legalistic views of holiness standards.
reading the posts from the past 1/2dy reminds me why I could never return to the AA...
even the enlightened are blind....
whoever that was, please repost that link to youtube "salvation is an inside job"
you belittle the crucifiction and redemption that was given to you by your legalism... it truly is a shame..
AA, you deserve your gb, you allowed it, you created it, you fund it, and you support it...
chairman_mao, a former AA who used to long for the redemption of the AA, waiting in exile, until now, I officially tear up my return ticket.. LOL
i could never allow my children to be raised amongst such misery...
AC we just had 3 baptisms 2 Sunday's ago of people who've never had a bible study and up until a few weeks ago were unsure God existed! Amen
Amen to that!
1.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDfN1JWsFw
2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZb1adOsr4Y
Well it's time for nite nite! God bless you all and have a restful and peacefull sleep.
God bless
Goodnight to all. God Bless you and peace to all.......
Mao, your name says it all. You've read too many books full of junk!
Don't hate because some people still love this Message, we love Holiness and it has nothing to do with the gb. So stop making excuses you cummie! You're most likely voting for Obama huh?
You never had any business on here anyway, these people just woke something up inside of me. I too love holiness!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good night!
my name? LOL
so.. being that you read the book by its cover... i would say thats a perfect example of why I dont particularly care for legalism...
that from someone called "tu madre" LOL... oh this is too funny....
and you assumed my polictial persuasion too?? i guess God is a republican?
Geez I couldn't make this up if I wanted to. lol
Guess Satan helped us win WWII (FDR and Truman = democrats), and Jesus had his hands in Iraq II (Bush Republican)??? lol.. too funny
and what's a cummie??? LOL
someones been on some certain sites of questionable character if you ask me.. LOL
just teasing.. I'm sure you meant a Commie.. but no.. not a Commie, in case your open minded enough to actually care to ask.
but you point that your understandingof the scritpure means you have a monopoly on the definition and term of "Holiness" is a bit concerning... and again prves my fears of the AA. THe AA run itself, and judges everyone on the basis of its own defintiion of "Holiness" and condemns all those who don't see it in those exact terms...
i wish people would see the danger in that view...
No standards, no principles, no shame. Remember that God cause it to rain on the just and the unjust just as He makes the sun to shine upon the good man and evil man.
So let not yourselves be deceived, God is a God of holiness
Tp Hallelujah: LEAVE...You can't and won"t. We do not go into Your Blogs at the UPC. I understand from others that do certainly UPC has worse and bigger issued than the AA.
AACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS..YOU BLOG HERE, SO YOU CERTAINLY CANNNOT DETACH FROM US.
IF YOU NEED AND MISS US SO MUCH, THEN COME BACK. YOU ARE HERE ANYHOW.
For example, UPC Property is owned by Pastor of every individual church. They do not even have a board outside the heir family.
Hispanic Pastors can never and will never be in the GB in St. Louis, Missouri. Nor own the property of the "Hispanic Church".
"White massas only."
REMEMBER UPC IS STRONGER IN THE SOUTHERN STATES..
Work for them.For their heirs.
The Bible does not say that it is a sin for a woman to cut her hair. It only states that the hair is the "glory" of the woman.
And if she cuts it to cover it.
Because the "hair is given to the woman as a covering".
In Spanish it is written differently.
In the original Greek, it also states to cover her hair with a covering if she cuts it. And when a woman prays to cover her head in honour of the Angels.
The "veil" that came out of the Catholic church the "mantilla" from Europe is most certainly not the veil that "Rebecca came to Isaac and the veil that Leah wore.
The "veil or covering" during that era of Mesopotania etc. is exactly like the veil of the Taliban...
It also includes the long "robes.' Not "JEAN or LEVI" Skirts.
There is nothing wrong with "Jean" skirts, but for heaven's sake don't be so "self-righteous.
To be truly in rule of the Bible's
cultural attire, as Peter said. "For the women to dress modestly as the Women of old."
It most definately is not "JEAN" skirts" and long straight hair.
Some cut it long and others cut it short. Either way "long" or "short" it CUT. Other wise if no one would cut it then they would look like "Lady Godivia."
Enjoy Brother Haney's doctrine. Even distinction of ethnicities.
(Some people will never learn) They enjoy being "under" subjection of cultural and control issues.
tu madre, your mamma, vous mammon, su madre (portuguese.. lol), basha Mat (paruski = russian)
that said... i have mentioned 3 books in my posting in th past few days..
Thomas Paine's: Common Sense
and
Jean Jacques Rousseau's: The Social Contract
i doubt yo have ever read them, but I may be pleasanly surprised if it turns out you have,
please tell me what in these books would thwart my interpretation of "holiness" and would be considered junk?
if you have not read them (which I can almost predict is the case) i ask you to take this opportunity to read them.. and then state your case on why they would be considered junk??
if you care not to take this opportunity, please retract your statement made against me...
i think this is fair and just...
what say ye "holy" christian?
well i did mention a 3rd, Machiavelli's: The Prince... but i stated i think sanchez, malverde and the rest of the goons at rancho cucuy-monstro read that one.. lOL
There is only 2 ways to see the topic of Holiness.
1. Gods way
2. Our way
I choose Gods way.
a. in humility and fear
Our way is to ??? everything.
HMMMMM reminds me of Satan in the Garden of Eden.
To brother becausewecare,
your understanding of scripture is so off, you have no idea of what you're talking about. And what you heard of the UPC is way out there, you have no idea what so ever.
Nowhere does it say if you cut it cover it! Nowhere!
does anyone here have the ability and wisdom to perfectly understand God's definition of "holiness"
and when one claims to understand.. is it not now only "Your" understanding..??
that said.. everyone has the right and God-given ability to define it for themselves (or at least attempt to understand God's definition of it(... no1 takes issue with that.
when people here oppose "legalism" they are not against holiness, they are against the application of a Man's inerpretation, and forced (or at least attempted) force of that definition on others...
the problem is when we start comparing ourselves to one another.. and publicly claim that our way is the better way... or even worse... the only way for holiness t be defined..
chairman mao
Since you are a communist, what do you understand about holiness.
Our apostolic beliefs are not based on mans philosophy or mens wisdom but the living Word of God. If you have never had and experience in the Holy Ghost your babbling hot air.
i think someone is trying to quickly read the "Cliff Notes" to the three book I mentioned.. hahaha
hahaha who said I was a communist??? LOL
i was charged with being one..
but again.. read my recent posts..
i am not a communist... and my name was created in jest.. geez.. lol
i spend a few months time in china each year.. thats all.. lol
are you really a "warrior"??? lol
I think we are misunderstanding the brethren and sister who made those comments on hair and other stuff. We shouldn't bash them if they choose to live that way, I didn't see them looking down on us they just shared their way of thinking.
To "Tu Madre" your name gives you little to none when it comes to credibility, you might want to change it.
To Mao i'd like to hear your version of Godliness/Holiness, I'm just interested thats all.
that said...
i find it interesting noone actually takes issues with what i say... simply make comments ont he superficial..
and... i was raised in the AA, and please take the time to realize that alot of what we were taught was man-made, and selective scripture was used/misinterpreted to attempt to enforce that man-made doctrine on the people.
you can take just abut any passage, take it out of context, and prove your wackiest of ideas. so simply becuz verse is used... to claim that your doctrine is based in scritpure... is not a valid point.. and in fact a bit circular in reasoning...
To thisgen...Maybe your right about my name, but who are you to rebuke? and Mao click on his name and see for your selves the books he reads.
Pathetic
generation.. thanks for actually asking, and not stoning.. LOL..
but my "interpretation" is just that.. my interpretation...
i mean.. that i apply it to myself.. and hold myself accountable to it... and do not use it as a yard stick to judge others... they have the right to be lead by the Spirit in their own understanding.
my issue has been that for many years the interpretation of a few (many times uneducated few) was used to supress God's people... and many many were lost because of it..
almost always on the most trivial and mundane of issues...
Ok Mao I shouldn't have come at you like that, sorry, I take back my statement against you. I've just been backslidden in heart for awhile and these people were waking something up inside of me, that God has been dealing with me for along time now.
LOL... can you get over.. its a joke.. geeez...
but that said... have you ever read "the Art of War"??
all western and for that fact eastern military teachings are in many or most ways based on those teachings
the use of calvary, light foot soldiers, the use of high ground, tactical resupply etc....
what is evil on reading that one??
on the lil red book.. LOL.. that was really a joke.. after a few years after the cultural revolution in the PRC, it was very hard to come by an original printed copy of that book..
so.. did i really put "the great" in the great wall of china??? LOL
To Jackson:
Read it in Spanish, as it is how the AA interperts from the Spanish language.
If you read it in English its different. I told you this is my Post.
Iam wrong on the UPC? No way my dear Brother. I knew Brother Chambers and Brother Urshen, and Brother Haney Sr. and his wife who was sister to Brother Gray from San Diego..I go way back...
They are like this "new breed" of mosquitos, they do not make a "buzzing" sound any more they just strike...They just "suck your blood"...They put you in "rations" and restrictions on your spending, so they can continue to "collect for the Building fund, which their
heirs will definately inherit..
Instead of you "saving for your children's College fund. You give for "theirs".
Arriving to church services in long Limo, while you take the bus.
You have no clue on their discriminatory doctrine. Where have you been?
They "only" want you now because you give "megga bucks for their "Building fund" that never takes place.Your earning poweris way "higher" than years back.
So sure, now they have the "Hispanic" ministeries...
What a coincidence.......WAKE UP BY DEAR BROTHER...LEARN THEIR HISTORY....THEIR ROOTS ARE FROM THE 'DEEP SOUTH'...
Its too late in the evening to write to you, but I owe you an answer.
NO Hispanic Pastor WILL ever own the property of the church he preaches at. The AA is the same, but at least it has a Corporation.
The UPC Churches are "Family owned"
Nathaniel Haney is the heir to Stocktonn's church etc.,
God help you...
If you do not care, why should I care for you and the others that "work for them"..
IT'S HOPELESS...tO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU...
JUST SO YOU CAN 'RUB SHOULDERS WITH THEM''...
THEY HAVE ALWAYS CALLED US 'THE LITTLE SPANISH BRETHERN'
Hello everyone:
Does anyone have any information on Brother Baldemar's Web Page?
I heard its great...
Hello everyone:
Does anyone have any information on Brother Baldemar's Web Page?
I heard its great...
Brother I'm 6th generation pentecostal my daddy married a assembly girl in bible school, I know what I'm talking about. I pastor a spanish church and know what the scriptures say concerning hair. Also the property is own by us not the UPC. I'm on here cuase my Mother in Texas is in a AA church. You say you know those Brothers but I think not! You don't talk like you do. Also the spanish UPC is ran by the spanish folk and we do our own thing.
I stand by my words You don't know what you're talking about! Also you had said you heard, thats hear say you should know better than that.
Pastor:James Jackson
James Jackson
who can I contact to join the SPANISH ministry?
Also are you saying that the spanish version of the bible is more valid?
Oh may I didn't realize the time, I'll chat with you Manana.
Post the scripture will you and we will continue tomorrow, this is a fun subject.....
called to I'll get you some info tomorrow K,
I'm an Asemblica but the truth is i'm thinking of going UPC. I've never seen anyone leave the UPC to come to the Assembly, but I've always seen people leave the Assembly and go to the UPC!
And brother "becausewecare" you made our assembly look worse! You sound soooooooo uneducated its shameful!
sO.. IS IT ME OR HAS THE Assembly Turned Tithing Into BUYING Indulgences???
....
n e one???
MARTIN LUTHER?
N E BODY KNOW HIM???
"the Bible is the only infallible source of religious authority[7] and that all baptized Christians under Jesus are a universal priesthood"...
"salvation is a free gift of God, received only by true repentance and faith in Jesus as the Messiah"
-Martin Luther
NE BODY AGREE???
VALVERDE ... DO YOU AGREE???
FACTSONLY1 ... WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN???
DO YOU AGREE???
btw ALL WORLD LEADERS AND BUSINESS CEO'S AND PRETTY MUCH N E ONE WHO WANTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE HAS READ/RE READ/WRITTEN AN ESSAY/RE RE READ
THE ART OF WAR...
ITS AMAZING.
AND
I HAVE READ IT...
SORRY gb... The Art Of War HAS prepared Me For WHATEVER you have Waiting For ME or R4J!
becausewecare...just an FYI. I came on this blog because I was curious as to what's been happening. Not because I want to come back to the organization or I miss it. Just simply curious. Some things I was reading I wanted to give my opinion and I have on a few occasions. Nobody has the right to judge anyone for what they do or don't do. That is God's job. I've always thought that if our standards on earth were too extreme and we made them heaven/hell issues and when we get to heaven we found out they weren't necessary, than Praise God!
Anyhow, just another FYI. My Brother in law is a spanish UPCI pastor in SAn Diego. The UPCI has a program called church in a day. They will build you a church. Most places it takes a day once you have the foundation done, etc. The main building is done in a day. I am sure that within the UPC there are many churches with spanish pastors/churches that own their own building. Many of the english churches have been around forever and therefore are able to own their own buildings. Speaking for our church in the AZ district, we've been received very well. Last year, our church was the host location for a regional spanish conference. It was awesome! My husband and I led children's church and in 2 days 15 kids received the holy ghost. The UPCI in some regions may have some level of prejudice but as a whole I don't see it. The US is such a melting pot of different people. Why are there missionaries in so many different regions and countries if they are the supreme white organization? My brother in law is returning from Peru from being a part time missionary, I've met missionaries from the Phillipines as well as other countries.
Hallelujah Anyhow said,
"...Bro. Miguel Hernandez preached at our church on Sunday." How interesting that I was asking you about these Pastors and one of them preached at your church on Sunday.
Anyway, the reason I'm interested to know more about them, is because I know a couple of families in Fontana that used to congregate with Pastor M Hernandez, and everytime I would talk with them, as an unbeliever, they would always give just the right answers I needed.
The funny thing is this, everytime I asked them where they learned so much they would always say from Pastor M Hernandez, and NEVER from S Valverde. I just tought that was interesting.
Is this Pastor in AZ indipendent? Can you tell me anythig about his church, what he teaches, or preaches. Can you get me some info on how to get a hold of his church. Is he a OK preacher, or does he preach like most AA pastors. Any help would be appreciated.
CBG...Bro. M Hernandez is Independent. I believe the church name is Lighthouse Apostolic Church?? Not certain on that. He's in Phoenix or Peoria AZ. He's a good preacher. Not like the AA typical preachers. Very knowledgeable in the word. His wife is involved in a christian adoption program. She gave a seminar at our church of the organization she works for. The benefits of adoption and how the state helps you, etc. I think they adopted several children. I can't find him online sorry..
also, it is interesting that you asked me about him and he showed up to my church on Sunday. I thought exactly that when he walked in! LOL
to: Trophyman
it is a coincidence! I never knew sis. torre's name until now.
but, I still fail to see your point
good day my fellow bloggers.
HA: i see your blowing up this blog - you're holding your own though so go on gurl.
So does anyone know the latest in SoCal? What about certain churches being asked to take loans out for the AA? somethings FISHY bout that.
FLC where u at?!
I hear Isaac is all settled in there in NorCal but Bishop Mendoza isn't too thrilled about all the junk (including his father being involved) stay tuned.
Concerned
I think J. Mendoza will be leaving soon.
Does anyone know how many families left w/Tafoya?
LL - that would not be a surprise to see.
U know there isnt really much talk about Tafoya . His niece was on here for a min but faded out.
I've been very interested to see if there is a source out there that can report anything regarding Tafoya. There is a young man in my church who's family are members of his church. I forgot to ask if he knows anything...
Pathetic
FROM ANOTHER BLOG: (MARCH)i know, i know, im sorry!
sam said...
There are going to be a lot of vacancies in the apostolic assembly.
These are the list of the excommunicated:
Art Tafoya
Willie Medoza
Daniel Solomon
Abel Torres
Juanito Sanchez
Efrain Andrade
Daniel Juahall
David Jimenez
John Vasquez
Abel Duarte
Mark Amin
Steve Montenegro
And the list will grow longer.
(What the heck is this about!?) This truly does "concern" me!
SAM, you still out there!
I am curious on the names from AZ? John Vasquez, Steve Montenegro? What is up with them?
Mark Amin? Steve Montenegro? Impossible...
David Jimenez
John Vasquez
Abel Duarte
Mark Amin
Steve Montenegro
i think your wrong
steve just preached in the interior distric camp
umm john vasquez is a yes to everything to Sanchez.
abel duarte ..umm the duarte boys of bakerfield..naaa i dont think so
mark amin .. ihave not heard from him in ages
now thats chisme
yea henry all those guys are people who are hard core assembly.
So i think this person maybe just throwing names around.
Check out Mark Amin on youtube he preached Youth camp in AZ...Tafoya's church posted this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRhwrIzDywk&feature=related
sorry i cant see youtube from here
what did mark amin say?
He's preaching about the highest mountain or somethng...I didn't really listen to it, just came accross it one day.
Not much. Same old Apostolic sermon
is it enough to get him kick out or whats the point to that preaching?
Ed
That's an absurd comment. I'm fairly sure all of the ousted Pastors to date were "hard core AA" also. So that really doesn't mean anything to the ax men.
There was none. Same old Apostolic sermon
It's not bad..I was just posting the link to show that he was here preaching for Youth camp. It's very typical AA preaching.
i wanted to know why they keep posting john vazquez
mark amin
and montenegro on the list
since montenegro just preached a camp for the interior district
so iam asking for facts so about being absurb who cares. give out facts..sorry know mark and steve personally. Not close friends but i know theme.
My point is Bro. Salomon was a board member, that's pretty "hard core AA", Bro. Baldemar is a past president, Bro. A. Torres, was a Bishop for over 17 years and was appointed by the gb to assist at the 2006 elections, Bro. S. Avila's family go back a long way in the AA. So tell me, how are/were they not "hard core AA." What I'm trying to point out is that no one is exempt from getting the ax, for speaking up, for siding with the "Plaintiffs", for not sending tithes, etc.
OR maybe they just want their churches!
yea but it was well known that they were in the side of the lawsuit so i had told a pastor when they lost in court. Watch they are going to go after theme, so the list was there.
so i have no idea how this other names came about.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH THIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION!
that read more as a "who's who" on the AA goons list...
if all else.. these guys will be getting promoted soon.. lol
yeah that stumped me too. back in my youth days John Vasquez was political and all but he was a straight evangelist. I remember during crusades going to ghetto places and he didnt seem to care. He loved that bull-horn though. what happened to him after he finished his term with MOP? he like dropped off the face of the earth.
Mark Armin - he's too low key and has that good ole' "Jesus at Calvary" message - i aint gonna lie though it made me cry (real men cry) HA
Dont know who Montenegro is ?
Duarte - now there's a name you dont really forget. He's kinda washed up if you ask me.
-C
John Vasquez is a pastor in Superior, AZ it's a ghetto mining town in the mountains you blink and you'll miss it. Haven't seen or heard anything from that place in a long time. Steve Montengro is a pastors son from Suprise, AZ. His Dad is all spanish so I never went to his church but did hang out with him as a youth at camps and stuff. I found a link somewhere to his website he's running for AZ representative of something LOL don't remember..something political.
Mark Amin, I mean Dr. Mark Amin, MD, is a cool guy and good minister. He has a real conviction.
I don't get the "digging a three mile deep canal to the moon and back three times" thing in his message, but its cool.
Duarte? Jonathan or Abel? Jonathan is cool. Abel, I mean Dr. Abel Duarte PHD, is, well, I don't know. But fell on his face being a 3rd coming of Marcos Witt.
Montenegro? Cool kid. Can have a real good minsitry and career. I hope he wins the seat in the AZ legislature....
Does anyone know happenings of LA District?? Seems all good there...No news=Good news?
Mark Amin just preached E.LA Jr Camp, and yes he preached his message of Jesus on the Cross! Pretty awesome too!!!
Bakersfield? Well all I can say is, they are being "audited" and don't like it... But that's one family that had it coming!
Can someone answer my questions..
How many families left with Tafoya?
Henry ,
re: fast not diet
I thought CA was not doing any district services ?(cancel)
Well party because there are not really any "big" churches in LA disctrict. All the churchs still seem to roll with the same amount of congregants or less. They are probably pretty safe for now since the AA cant utilize their accounts. Who has the largest church in LA? ELA now that is another story , I wonder why?
Don't ask me about district activities. I retired from those long time ago. I'm a fully fledged Domingero.
Though I went to an LA Dist Service over a year ago. But I was helping out Rev. Abraham Luna(UCLA Alumnus) in the Higher Education Scholarship Drive.
Other than that, Domingero Status...
Henry, you should know that the area in which you "helped out" (whatever that means) did not to to well. It was a great idea but little results. It lacked commitment.
LA is doing well. The Bishop is a man of God. The dorcas have carried an English & Spanish Camp with good success. The MOP just celebrated Camp with 300+ and it was highly blessed. A large amount left camp and were baptized or will be shortly.
Henry,
I'am only loyal to my local church.
Active Neut:
The MOP, Rev. Luna did well. They could have done better. I just feel that actually promoting higher education in the AA falls on deaf ears.
The latest bungle was Montenegro. For three years he promoted it and the best thing accomplished was a meeting. Not a scholarship but a meeting to pass a letter to the next board of the MOP.
Then they got this grad student to head up the higher education dept. Nope, nothing more than blast emails. No money, no effort no results. Sadly, Mecha does more to promote h.e. in the Latino Community.
But who would want to raise money for H.E. being apostolic, all the GB will do is raid the fund for their cut.
A.N - who is the new bishop in LA?
the last time i checked it was all Tijuana status so its good to hear they are being mixed (English/Spanish).
LA camp was fun back in its day "camp seely" or "cedar crest" one of the best camps i attended.
Bro Felipe Salazar is new Bishop. Very much a visionary and honest.
o SNAP! was he pastor of a small church in LA at any time? he had a congregation of mainly youth girls/women (gone wild) HA -inside joke (you know how people mingle at conventions)
no, but seriously speaking of him if this is the same Pastor I think of then wow what a change from prior. (he's pretty young too) (bishop status)
That would be Compton. or 2nd Compton. lol Gone Wild huh......some things just don't change, but hey, its Compton. What would you expect from a Hood Church..lol Next to the LBC.
Please, learn to take the beam out of your eye before you can point out the flaws in other. (Matthew 7).
AN: PLEASE read my posts a few days ago please - my beam was not pulled out painfully but it was exposed and blasted (via the pastor and ministry) so its all fair game.
Anyways Henry as you were saying.
ha! you hit the nail on the head with that one. I want to say it wasnt in Compton though bcz thats where the Ceniceros/Prados and them were. It was a small store front area by the beach?
Its strange of funny how certain churches get certain reps.
IE and I mean for EXAMPLE,
El Siloe had a notorious amount of gays, allegedly.
FLC, aka Life Line had a lot of Vato Locos.
San Ysidro was known as ForniSydro.
HP, I mean Huntington Park, under Pastor Gamez was Pollo Central.
There are a few more.......
Concerned:
You are refering to 2nd San Pedro near the LA Harbor. Pastor Salazar pastored there for a bit.
chairman mao,
do you still attend the AA? juat curious. if you dont, do you attend any other church/organization?
Bishop Salazar is just another "End Time" preacher, you all know what that means. gb kiss-but!
A.N. : there u go thx. to clarify- I was not meaning any disrespect to Bishop Salazar by any means. It was a long time ago and the girls were not his own children.
becausewecare:
The UPC Churches are "Family owned"
Nathaniel Haney is the heir to Stocktonn's church etc.,
Pastor Nathaniel Haney is not an "heir" to his church. Christian Life Center (CLC) was not handed to Pastor Haney on a silver platter. He was voted in by the church. CLC is a very diverse church. Whatever Pastor Haney owns is what he worked for on his own. His right hand man is a hispanic; Pastor Eli Lopez. Now there is no doubt that some pastors are there because of who daddy was.
Has anyone heard of "something" going on in Nor Cal? Although I am no longer in the AA, I still have family and friends who are. I've heard the GB is working on taking some churches away.
Deborah! Finally some more comments from a female besides me LOL. I totally agree with your comments. I dont' know a lot of the history on CLC and the Haney's as I've only been in the UPC a short time. Thank you for posting those comments. But knew that for the most part the UPC church is a diverse nationality of people especially West Coast churches
God bless you sis!
Deborah,
Nothing is "going on" in Nor Cal. We are united and purpose driven as ever before.
In regards to CLC and the UPC - I do know that in UPC churches the members do vote for the office of pastor. It is not a guarantee that the son will come out. But I have seen for the most part all my life, that the Children (most prominently the sons) work the hardest and put the most "free" time into the church.
This pastoral change is also one the biggest differences between UPC and AA.
AA - appoints pastors
UPC - vote by membership
I really do see a positive for both, so I suppose I would like to see somewhat of a merger of these 2 practices.
I see the benefit of "the people's voice". But I also see the benefit of Appointment.
Your thoughts?
PS - Henry, I'd like to see a list of names of 10 pastors that you do have high regard for. I ask because I have been observer for a while and I have not seen you uplift any pastors, just pull them down.
hallelujahanyhow, blessings to you!!!
I do not comment that much here. I'm not one who likes to stir the pot, but what is going on in the AA especially with the GB just saddens and sickens me. It was a blessing to all that Skotty posted those videos on Youtube. For far too long the GB has gotten away with so much corruption. The GB probably laughed all the way to the bank thinking that the members of the AA were downright stupid. Now there are people who are no longer going to sit back and stay quiet. It is not a crime to speak up. I have so much more respect for the pastors who spoke up and stood by what was right. God is going to bless them beyond their own understanding!!!
What I can not understand is how does the GB think they are going to get away with all they have done? Where is the fear of God in them? Power and money is what they want. Maybe Valverde went to China on a missions trip. LOL!!!
Skotty keep them coming!!! I can almost bet the GB is sweating in their pants and know who Skotty is!!! Many blessings!!!
Sweating in their pants?
The Dishonorable General Board don't sweat. They send in their goons to do their dirty work, and they do the sweating.
Is it me or is voice from the bay the same idiot as voice from the north who was kicked off this blog?
Also yeah I heard something about the sacramento church, the pastor there said to the congrigation that they were no-longer a part of the AA. but he was at our district bible college graduation, so I don't know.
Yeah the sac church went from 800 members to 250. Alot of the ministers are leaving.
Did anybody receive an email from Pastors Daniel and Rita Solomon and Bethel Community Church inviting everyone to an Apostolic Summit on September 25 and 26?
I wonder how many pastors and minister will show up?
I don't believe it! The Sac Church has like 1500 members, this church gives the most to MOP and Pastor was one of the speakers at the Jesus stratigy. You guys are probably from one of the dist. churches who are haters! We are the biggest church in the AA. Haters!
Any more news on the Gaylord Convention? Is it still on? Is Texas spiritual enough or not?
Who's the Sac Pastor?
I've heard it all! 1500 members! You're a FOOL! Your "palabra viva" conf. didn't even have 500 people! I was there, you're a bounch of hype!
Monica
Are you from Sacramento? Is it true they went from 800 to 250?
truth for once
Are you from Dos Palos?
Hows your church doing there?
Isn't Rangel your pastor?
Looks like Monica pled the 5th.
Voice from the bay:
David Hernandez
Benjamin Cantu
Ernest Calzada
Sam Mascareno
Mizael Zaragosa
Mario Alas
David Contreras
Reynaldo Leal
Freddie Canizales
David Zuniga
Adrian Zavala
Joe Arreola
Baldemar Rodriguez
Saul Avila
Abel Torres
Buddy Ibarra
And a few others....
nonanymous...
no, i went into self-imposed exile late last year (lol)
i now attend another oneness organization, that sad to say, is light years ahead of the AA.
in regards to their teaching, subject matter of their preachings, the ministires they offer youth, children, young marrieds, elderly, empty nesters, etc.
they really have their thing down to a "T". that said, they too need help, and I have been doing my part (when I'm actually home, and not traveling to and fro all over this beautiful planet of ours...)
what org that is.. is really of no issue or importance in regards to this blog....
I highly doubt the Sac church has 1500 members. Does any AA church have 1500? I just get this feeling something big is going to happen up in Nor Cal.
I know for a fact Sacramento doesn't have 1500 members, they run about 250 maybe 300. Their youth group afew years back was approx 60/80 but not anymore.
The pastor is bro castro
Go to "you tube"
and search "youth play" youth play 2008
That is a video of the sac church.
look at the main Girl in the drama
then search "norte sacra 916"
The girl getting drunk in the last sene its the same girl...
That video was the sunday after a youth camp other churches were there like Modesto,Stockton and others. the camp speaker was Omar Cortez. He's the last guy about to preach.
The truth for once
You mean they send in their
PUPPETS, PUPPETS, PUPPETS!!!!
Monica,
Who pastor's Sacramento?
iM4reform
Yes, I received that email already(a week ago).
La Bamba,
How many members does Adam Lopez have?
Henry,
Where is Buddy Ybarra?
Richard,
How many members does Jose Mendoza have?
GQ1973 said...
speaking of "MONEY", does anyone know the net worth of the plaintiffs:
Pastor Baldemar Rodriguez
Pastor Daniel Salomon
Pastor Abel Torres
Pastor Saul Avila
vs.
GB?????????
August 26, 2008 3:55 PM
LL said...
gQ1073
Didn't you see last night's blog ..
They(gb) are trying to borrow money from churches that equity in them.
August 26, 2008 4:14 PM
I did not think an unpaid loan was considered equity(i'm no expert)
and for Midland's crew: trophyman(aka: LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga) and remembering
we are basically auditing everyone on the GB,the "goons"( as some call the DGB's), and also the Pastor's that have left the AA(ex. Pastor Zuiñiga). everyone brings out how much they left with, how much they left, how much they make, or how much they have now; so
honestly, I think it is a 2 way street, Unless you are afraid that it will show that some of the Plaintiff's are also "loaded", being that they being humble Pastors, sold everything to give to the poor as someone pointed to say the GB should do.
A fool is a blind man being led by a blind man.
I think that i press your little buttons when I mention your Pastor; he is your Pastor that is fine. I bet yall would'nt have said anything if I had not mentioned him.....HMMMMMMMM
yall are funny{:-D)
yall are funny{:-D)
by the way, those videos about pants and salvation on the inside, those are good ones!
did that Pastor already go to the other side??(one video said "Late Pastor ...")
THIS REMINDS ME OF THE GB..MANIPULATION..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-CtVI0GsM&feature=related
GQ
Equity is the difference between the market value of your home and the amount you owe to the lender.
Explanation: Say you bought a property for $200,000 and you have already paid $100,000 but the market value right now is $250,000 your equity is $150,000.
I didn't watch the entire video regarding the pastor speaking on pants...However, back in the days (bible days) we all know both men and women wore robes yet there was a clear distinction between men and women's robes. It was interesting how he was talking about fabrics. In this day, where there seems to be sometimes a lack of distinction between the sexes. Believe me, I have a boss that would rather be a man. By wearing skirts and dresses and no pants, this makes us separate. Not necessarily holy because that starts within but separate and peculiar. If you look back in history when the women's lib began, you will see the fall of standards among women. Women began to chop their hair into bob haircuts, wear makeup,wear pants(which again our days is how we say that pertaineth to a man) It's sad that there are times where you might see a man wearing a dress and a woman wearing pants. I'm not going to give a long speach on the subject but I do find it interesting if you look at symbols that everyone knows for ex: symbols on doors of public restrooms. What are the distinctions between women and mens? The woman is wearing a dress! Just my thoughts...nobody attack me please LOL The topics of holiness inward, outward, hair,and all other standards related to outward dress are my favorite things to study....I've read a lot on them so therefore am giving my opinion.
OK.
Hallelujah Anyhow,
When you talk about holiness, do you mean scriptural holiness or personal holiness?
Sola De Gloria- both.
There is scriptural holiness and there are standards that each of us have as well as convictions. your conviction may be you don't wear sleves shorter than your elbow or skirts above the knee. Someone else may think they are ok. I'm not necessarily talking about that.
Hallelujah Anyhow
Do you think personal holiness should be taught from the pulpit?
How can you teach personal holiness from the pulpit? God has given us the bible as a roadmap and guidelines. Nobody can tell you how long the skirt should be, sleves should be, etc. All holy ghost filled people should have convitions. I have personal convictions regarding my hair, sleve length, skirt length,etc. I think that it should be TAUGHT many people do not know why we do the things we do and don't do. I am sure I can ask several people about what the bible says concerning hair and they wouldn't know, or even why we don't wear makeup, jewelry, pants, etc. I know many will say because that's what I've been told. If people are taught as new converts or by their parents, I don't think the church would be in the place it's in today. 10 years ago, girls weren't chopping their hair and wearing makeup in the church. There is a difference between teaching and preaching! Nobody can tell you PERSONAL Holiness! I believe the pastor should teach the congregation and tell the congregation that holiness is important. More importantly though, we aren't going to stop someone in the lobby of the church and say they can't come in because they aren't dressed appropriately. ( speaking of a new convert of visitor. They will learn by example and by the holy ghost)
Hallelujah Anyhow, The UPC have their own blogspot. I would highly recommend that you post your thoughts on there.
www.apostolicfriendsforum.com
You will be with likeminded people.
Tonedeaf...sorry I'm bugging you!
Hallelujah Anyhow
The convictions that Christ had were from the Word of God. The Word of God was the “authority” for what He believed. If the bible is a “roadmap” or a “guideline”, then where is its authority. If personal convictions are non-scriptural then where is their authority? If the bible does not drive our beliefs, which affect our actions, then are those beliefs genuine?
camindo_voy said...
GQ
Equity is the difference between the market value of your home and the amount you owe to the lender.
Explanation: Say you bought a property for $200,000 and you have already paid $100,000 but the market value right now is $250,000 your equity is $150,000.
August 28, 2008 9:08 AM
ok, then, thanks for the explanation, but still leaves me blank as to how it is the GB's equity if it is borrowed money. In other words, they have not paid a penny on it, so the difference of the $400k and the actual value of the property is the equity?(correct??), but it is not the GB's equity, it belongs to the AA not the GB, right?
sounds like an audit should be in order.
So has anyone answered that one question about how to order the audit on the corporation?
Sola: You make a good point. The bible gives us standards to live by. It is our only guideline roadmap to figure out life. The grey areas in life we rely on the holy ghost to guide us. The bible does not tell us that sleves and skirts should be at a certain length yet it talks about modesty.
1 Timothy 2:9 (Whole Chapter)
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
There are things that have become man made standards that we live by. The bible doesn't specifically say we can't wear tank tops and we can't wear pants, etc. Anyhow, like I said in my original post I was simply commenting on the videos about the pastor saying that it's not wrong for women to wear pants. If you believe in your walk with God and based on scriptural evidence that pants on women are ok than it's between you and God. If you believe that makeup and other things are ok also based on scriptural evidence that is between you and God. Not contradicting anything or anyone just offering my opinions as you have offered yours. I came to this blog to get information about what has been going on in the AA since we left. I've found out some info and have commented on a few topics that I found interesting. God bless ya'all in your search for the place where you can worship God freely without worrying about all of the policts.
called2proclaim said...
THIS REMINDS ME OF THE GB..MANIPULATION..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-CtVI0GsM&feature=related
August 28, 2008 9:05 AM
I watched that video the other day, and boy did it make me sick to hear him over and over, "God Said" did you see how many times he had to wipe his saliva from his mouth ( he could already see the money $$$ coming in)
good video and great application!!
Thanks, Hallelujah Anyhow
God Bless!
GQ
You've almost got it. But no its the difference from the market value ($250,000) and what has already been paid ($100,000) = $150,000 (equity). Of course it is AA money, but is being handled by who? For what? Look at the AA financials, at the Flor Azul distribution that's supposedly for missionaries, nowhere does it say if any of it is allotted to missionaries. Much of it seems to go to "administrative costs".
sounds just like what Ray Quintanilla did in our district, except he would put it under MISC. Expenses.
over a decade of "this and that", God finally exposed him, ( another Pastor that is now with the Missions of Mexico saw him entering a bar as he was driving on his way home, or something like that; got himself another witness, non-AA pastor to backup his story)
i bet the younguns in our district did not know that story, or maybe a variation of it. they were still little kids.
let's just say he went with the missions cause his life did not get any easier after speaking out here in our district.
someone said, "what goes around, comes around".
i believe it.
camindo_voy, thanks for the explanation.
Yeah that is a sad story. It always is when someone falls by the wayside. But the way I heard it the pastor is question was way too gleeful at having seen his brother fall, like he was happy to have caught him. Your not supposed to rejoice when someone stumbles and falls. There's always two sides to a story. A story can change if only part of it is told.
And we should'nt say "what goes around comes around". That's delighting in someone else's downfall.
What good will it do the "younguns" in our district to know of such things. I would think we would only want them to hear the positive things. Already our younguns have enough problems to face. Maybe for a change we can start saying the good and wonderful things we know about our fellow brothers and sisters and what an inspiration they have been in our lives.
Who are this generations young godly Leaders?? From each district??
yes, and I think that is why he got a non-AA Pastor, being that there was another AA Pastor in town(Lubbock, TX)
i just believe that what goes around comes around (circle of life) not rejoicing in his downfall, which should have been stopped in the beginning. maybe he would have changed before it culminated to what it did. (the bar scene was just a part of the crash- if you could put it that way)
thanks for the response chairman mao.
are you somehow involved in whats happening in the AA? is the church you attend now once a part of the AA or UPC? again, just curious.
beth
heylo all:O)
Its come to my attention that some of you are saying that I'm the blogger "gq1973"..haha thats funny... first off i'm not afraid to post or show who I am, I'm not into the whole lets be anonimo so here I am, email me- whatever... Second of all if it were me posting I'd give the facts as happened, not some assumption as to what happened... but different versions do get around and blogger "gq1973" somewhat got the just of the matter and explains as best as he/she can... and last but not least, that happened some 3 or so years ago.. my family is fine... we are so blessed!! so for all those that wonder here is the answer to the million dollar question- we are not bitter!! we dont resent the AA... if anything I take with me what I learned being there when I was... as i've posted before, I was the kind of "AA GIRL TO THE DEATH" but now, thank heavens, I see a new world without denominations and limits... there is a whole world out there to conquer for Christ and we can't do it soley under one denomination, we alll need eachother!! everywhere!!! and for those of you who condemmed us to hell and stopped talking to us when we left the AA for "x" reasons.... we are not hell bound!! woohooo!! we are heaven bound GLORY!! :O)
love ya...
ps. thanks to the few that stood by my family and I during that hell of a time we went through... hmmmm I think even saying a "few" is exagerating too many...i can count you guys on one hand.... i'm sorry for those who lost our friendship bc you choose to walk away.... miss you guys... love you guys... God love !!
sola dei gloria,
you never responded to my email....why??
beth
I prefer to be only a doctrinal blogger. Not a political or social one. My response would have been the same as the first.
Jeanz
I am glad to hear you and your family are doing wonderful. God bless you. Sometimes things happen and, perhaps even misunderstandings. Only God knows the whole truth in all situations. I for one want to tell you that I never once heard anyone speak harshly of you or your family. The truth be told I think lots of people miss you and still love you. Again God bless you.
Jeanz....
God Bless you and your family. We too left the AA church for x reasons. I did not bother because we were not looking to fight or cause trouble. But boy, did the rumors and bad talk flow! We were being asked why we left and our reasons were not belived or not enough... It's sad though. There is only one family left at that church that was attending when we were there. Everyone left to another church, organisation, or stoped serving the Lord all toghether in dismay. Everyone is new. Again, we have no problem. We just want to be with our Lord.
And like you, we are in a non denominational church. We have support and belong to a network of churches that join forces to further the cause under a ministry. But at the same time, the churches belong to the local pastors that pastor them.
The vision is for the body of Christ as one. Not for another denomination.
It is sad... In the past we have had fellowship (bible studies) at work and some brothers in Christ will not have anything to do with any of us because we are not in the same denomination. And the bible study is made up of many brothers in Christ from many diffrent churches that want to read and talk about our Lord. Its funny, if that was the way... heaven would be pretty empty and the majority of the the work done in the world for Christ would be useless...
I'm glad... for over 8 years, my family Is still serving the Lord.
Blessings to you and yours.
New letters have been posted:
www.apostolicassembly.info
Resignation of Bro. Juan Campos
Spanish version
sola,
political and social? ok you lost me. elaborate.
Congratulation Bro. Campos!!!
We'll be joining you soon!
After reading the application for credential renewal and seeing how the DGB is using it against Bro. Willie Mendoza, there is no way I would agree to the 'financial' plan of the organization.
The gravy train is over DGB!!
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
AA DEVILS do it with your support
Congratulations Bro Campos!!!!!!
My favorite preacher.
Sad day for the Apostolic Assembly.
We need to removed the bipolar Sanchez.
FYI: Just found out qg1873 is from that $$$$(BOOM) town of Odessa,Texas. It's been said this individual enjoys playing both sides of the fence. Seems the auditing is coming to this oil town too!(Bad boys, bad boys what you gonna do, what you gonna do, when they come for you, bad boys, bad boys!) No need to worry about the smart ones they left.
Oops! just remembered correction qg1973
Glad to see you go Campos.
For years I was always afraid God would reveal my Cancun vacation secrets to you.
NOW I can really tell everyone in my district they can't invite you.
You better hope no one follows you. I'll punish them to, because that's what we do here in the AA.
Felipe Lug
Great job Bro. Juan.
I don't know what spirit has taken over the general board, but many are leaving with the Spirit of God.
Sorry to see you go, but I'm with you and twovote - leaving soon.
God Bless you!
cali warrior:
Yes I am
Church not doing too good, but I guess thats because we're being lead by a tyrant.
Yes he is the Pastor, but in title only.
We have 3 or 4 familys ready to leave.
I've written the bishop. But nothing
Dear Bishop President Daniel Sanchez,
I hope that if you happen to read this letter you are healthy along with your wonderful wife Sister Eva.
What happened on November 2006 was not of God. If it was inspired of Him, He would have prospered it and blessed it. But as you can see people have lost all respect for you and your associates. How long will you allow pastors and ministers to leave because of this infamous election? How long do you think you can hold out before everything crumbles under you? What legacy will you leave as a President of the Apostolic Assembly? You and your partners in this dastardly scheme will be held accountable by the Lord and by His people. You yourself will be held the most responsible for you are the leader, although you have allowed Bishop Vice-President Sam Valverde to influence you, and to a certain degree, manipulate you to make decisions that have brought the organization to where it is right now. You have lost control and all of the Church is suffering.
You cannot rule by intimidation or fear, the people will only disrespect you, despise you and even abhor you. I ask of you please, do not allow your heart to harden, neither close your ears and spirit to the pleas of the people who love this organization.
Our young people are making a mockery of this. They are mocking all those who are in authority. Everywhere and in every meeting ministers and pastors are giving their opinion of what is happening. In the two years since the elections, I have not heard anything positive in your favor. Many are holding out until the Convention in Texas, hoping for a miracle, and if nothing changes, they will leave/
Only you can stop this. Only you can restore the respect that was once held for the General Board. Only you can stop the exodus of people that refuse to violate their conscience and their convictions by remaining under an organization that lies to their pastors (You never intended to honor their votes in 2006. Your response to the allegations although legal were unethical and untruthful and as you WELL KNOW violated all sense of good and Godly and honorable conscience.).
Your Servant
oliis oliis:)
dear camindo_voy,
thanks for the post... as they say actions speak louder than words.. People can say they love you, but its in the fruit of that love, in the simplicity of a phone call, smile, or whatever that one feels that love. It may be so that you never heard anything negative about us, but I can asure you that we were in many ways abandoned by our church leaders, friends, family, ect. Why don't you tell me who you are? Maybe we could get re-aquainted... and things were said nonetheless... even if it didn't come to your attention. I love the North West Texas gang....but I'm glad for what happened to us... we are not the children of coincidence bc we are the children of God & our steps are ordained... so yess it was difficult to say the least, but i'm glad we went down that road... i'm so free and my ministry has grown in the hands of the Master, in a field without fences and boundaries
.....
dear hello?isthisthingon?,
wowozers... i'm so proud of you guys... its amazing the storms we live to weather in a lifetime... sometimes it seams as if one has already lived too many storms- as many to equal a lifetime..... before Honorary Bishop Jose Ortega Aguilar died, he and I were great friends, he became my adopted grandpa & for the last 2 years of his life we wrote regularly... i have tons of letters and I remember he wrote that if he could re-organize somethings in the AA that he would... and told me that he realized how he was harsh with his rules in his home, some things that he regreted.....(being boxed in on one certain denomination) this throughout the years has kept me thinking and honestly has helped me on my journey to be free from religious chains as I witness a pioneer of the AA church sit there now as an elderly man and rethink the structure of the church foundation he helped build. He helped me learn to TRULY embrace my Christian brothers & sisters from diff backgrounds & churches..... unfortunately not all have come to this understanding & still believe only apostolics will be caught up in the air... or that you have to look a certain somehow to be godly.... blah...... i just know that i never imagined i'd be in the place that i am now... BUT having endured the nightmare i dared to dream.... and as I was THRUST into this realm, I've now realized its where i've always wanted to be... BLESS GOD! and i'll say it again, Its when you think your life is falling apart that its truly begining to fall into place.
be blessed... God love
Jeanne Romo
Cali Worrior
Have you considered taking those families and stating a work? After all it would not be un-ethical if the root of bitterness begins to grow in some of those families and or Salvation is at stake...Also you did address it to the "leadership" and nothing was and will be done.
Just a thought.
To who ever asked, the pastor in sacramento is Everardo R. Castro.
Joe Mendoza runs about 200+ members
I'm a young man I have no respect for any so-called man of God who will stay and support this leadership! (To stay is to support).
You must be true to yourself and to God, we looked up to many of you and you have failed us! (Talking to pastors/ministers).
Its time that people everywhere begin to oppose all un-godliness!
This Generation will not stand for ungodly leaders! WE WILL NOT!
Get ready young people, it's on us to make a change, while these so-called men of God just sit there with their mouths shut! Living like dogs with their tail between their legs. If your a true man of God do what is right!
Thank you Brother Juan Campos! For being a TRUE MAN OF GOD!
To'Im4reform:
Don't beg this "gallo" He has no love of God. He is in the same or worse position of "Saul" God has "left them"
Its over.
And by the way, Its not Bishop President" Its Presiding Bishop.
But I do not blame you what ever what ever it does not matter.
His "wife wonderful" LOL She is from the "Barriento Fierro Family from the "Cholo Sanchez comes from.
As far as Sam Valverde, Pacheco, Aguilar, they are so un=equally "yoked" and so miserably married they run over like "Agnus Bulls in a Crystal Shop."
Don't pled with them. The more you beg, the more they know they are in "control and munipulative"
You know better? Or are you a "just arrived" newly baptized innocent person.
God bless you.
This reminds me of Hitler and His Gestapo. They never gave up until too late. Millions fled and survived..This is why its best to leave them.
The Pastors are "not speaking" but they sure "are leaving.
God bless them...
I just feel so bad that Brother Baldemar is over 70 but Sanchez is almost 80. So that is good news. God will prevail and help Brother Abel Torres and Brother Baldemar and Saul Avila with Pastor David Zuniga and all those have left till Sanchez and the rest are "GONE'.
Just look back in the past of the AA and believe me they will be gone and not only that but forgotten. Sanchez is "having his memory's recorded in another Apostolic Historical Book.
Can you imagine the lies he is having printed.
It used to be that when convention time came around there was this good feeling of anticipation and excitement. Something really to look forward to even if it was during the Thanksgiving holidays. Good preachings, good choirs, good apostolic fellowship. Most of this is gone now and as some can attest that last years convention was not edifying at all, so what can be expected from this coming one. As for my wife and I we have decided not to make the trip to Dallas,Tx. for the convention. We are living in very critical times where the church needs a lot of healing and a good outpouring of the Holy Ghost and Spirit filled and annointed preachers.
Assembly Church of Midland
“Abundant Living Christian Center”
2309 South Fort Worth Street
Midland, Texas 7901-1966
Wednesday August 13, 2008
To all the Bishops, Elders, and Pastors: Praise the Lord!
With the present we are responding to the information that was sent to you
dated on July 23, 2008 to you the pastorate of which we deem you as very
important, worthy of our continual respect and worthy of being taken into
consideration in all things.
At the activity at Long Beach, California that was celebrated on July 7-11,
there was a pastor that stated that the Board of Directors had already stated
an explanation from them but that it would be good for “the other side” to be
heard.
We also believe that you need to be well informed being that there are many
things that you are unaware of. One of the reasons as to why you are unaware
of what is going on, nor information that has been surging is that it seems
that many of you do not have computers nor internet service. Consequently,
you do not have access to the very important information that is found at:
http://apostolicassembly.info/. We understand that it has been said for you
not to believe the information that is on the internet but within the content
of this website you will find the documents written by the Bishop President
Daniel Sánchez, of the Secretary of Christian Education Ismael MartÃn del
Campo and of Pastor Misael Zaragoza, all signed by them.
Where they explain to the court amongst other things the process that the
Qualifying Committee of 2006 used and how the C.I.D. originated. Had you been
able to read them, you would have proven that there were violations to the
Constitution. It is for this reason that with all due respect we have decided
to send you the present letter so that you can be truly informed so that you
can truly establish your criteria for the truth, righteousness and the
preservation of our beloved Assembly.
Pastoral Letter of July 23, 2008
I. Legal complaint results in favor of our church.
Point 2. The Court dictated that there were no evidences of constitutional
irregularities on the section of the Qualifying Commission.
Pastors, nobody better than you can judge if our Constitution was correctly
interpreted by the Court or not considering the following examples:
a. In the Court Hearing Transcripts Page 3 under Finding Number 5, a partial
writing of what the judge said: “this court finds that the Constitution
requires that the Qualifying Committee takes charge of two steps of the
process. First, the Qualifying Committee determines which candidate receives
the greatest number of votes. Once this pool of nominees is identified of all
the nominees, the Qualifying Committee has to consider the capacity,
suitability and right only of those nominated which are in the pool.
b. The judge obtained this conclusion supposedly analyzing Article 5 Clause
II, but you judge the following contradiction that said: “The Constitution is
silent as to how the Qualifying Commission is to determine which nominees in
the pool are to be approved as candidates.” Does it not contradict with the
first step of the process that he himself defines before which deals as to
which ones received the greater number of votes?
c. Now you judge the second contradiction of what he said: “In particular,
there is no Constitutional requirement that the Qualifying Commission approve
only those nominees with the greatest number of votes.” Incredible!
This just proves irrefutably, the type of interpretation that the court
carried out in such an off course manner of our organizational process with
which we had never had a problem before until November, 2006.
Point 3. The court determined that there were no violations to the
Constitution in the manner the Qualifying Commission selected and approved the
candidates to the elections.
Pay very close attention to the part that Bishop President Sánchez wrote to
the court on February 21, 2008 on paragraph 17, Page 4 Declarations in Support
of Response explaining how he proceeded alongside with the rest of the
Qualifying Committee in November, 2006: Regardless how many votes a nominee
received, any nominee that did not receive the majority of votes from the
Qualifying Commission was not presented to the electoral body as a candidate
for the position to which he was nominate.” The Court ruled that there were
no violations to the Constitution? Nobody like you Pastors to judge such a
clear violation and the imprecision of the Court.
Yes! You did read correct: “Regardless how many votes a nominee received”.
This can be interpreted as: “Regardless of the votes of the pastors...”
Furthermore, “any nominee that did not receive the majority of votes from the
Qualifying Commission...”; the Qualifying Commission superimposed its five
votes over all the votes that were cast in the first round of voting. The
Qualifying Commission cast the pastoral votes to the side and the five voted
for whom they wanted. Those were the only votes that they honored and
respected. You judge if there were violations or not!
Point 4. The Court determined that there were no violations to the
Constitution by the Qualifying Committee in using the C.I.D. document.
a. Here is something that the Board of Directors has veiled to you the
pastorate that the court determined of the few correct judgments which is as
follows: In the Court Hearing Transcripts on Page 4 covering numbers 18-20,
the judge said: “It is seen equally by this court that the CID was not
incorporated in the Constitution by way of an amendment.” There is no doubt
that on this point Article 75 of our Constitution it does harmonize with the
court’s ruling!
b. You now judge the terrible contradiction of the court with regards to Page
3 under Finding 6: “The court finds that there is no Constitutional
prohibition in the Qualifying Commission using the CID or any other document
or guide in the consideration of the capacity, suitability and right of a
nominee.” Does the court know what it was determining in agreement with
Article 75? Could they use any document that has not passed through the
process that is defined in said article?
c. In paragraph 16, Page 4, the Bishop President Sanchez tells the court:
“At all times I was present, the Qualifying Commission for the elections of
2006 depended or was based on the CID to determine if each nominee had
“capacity, suitability and right” to be considered a candidate for the
respective position to which he had been nominated.” This is another
irrefutable proof that the Qualifying Commission did not consider the votes of
the pastorate but depended on a document that did not fulfill with Article 75
of our Constitution and depended on their five votes only.
Pastoral Letter of July 23, 2008
II. The discipline process in our Constitution.
Ecclesiastes 8:11 is being applied to us but after all the irrefutable
explanation before, you pastors judge. Who has been doing the harm? The
hearts of whom are prone to do the bad? The Board of Directors after
receiving the ruling of the court took the following steps:
They heard the determination of the Bishop Supervisors expressed in the Joint
Session (March, 2008). They proposed by unanimous vote to take immediate
action of discipline and follow the process that our Constitution marks.
a. Pastors, pay very close attention to the last declaration: “... and
follow the process that the Constitution marks.”
b. The Board of Directors endeavored extensively to break down with the
intention of appearing that all was done in order and that they considered the
Bishops, something they did not do in the elections of 2006 and that all their
actions follow Constitution with all they explained in Points 1-3 a., b., c.,
and f.
c. We make some simple questions. What is the process of discipline in our
Constitution in relationship to Pastors, Elders, Bishops and members of the
Board of Directors? Is it not found in Article 36 of the Constitution?
d. All the process that they broke down that they did, is it a process of
Article 36 which states what should be done? Doing what they said was done of
which there are many questionable things like the unanimous vote, the back up
of the Board of Directors decisions, like they “heard counsel”, etc. Is this
what our Constitution marks? Absolutely not!
e. On the contrary, they did all and of all but not what the Constitution
marks in Article 36. That is to say, to none of us was given the
Constitutional right of a judgment and for the same we were not able to defend
presenting irrefutable proofs of violations to the Constitution by the
Qualifying Commission of which the present Board of Directors continues to
back up.
f. On Point 3 and Letter F. Between parentheses, you Pastors judge, who in
reality has been dividing the churches? Now they say there, “In a joint
meeting celebrated on July 11, 2008, the Board of Directors and the Episcopal
Body based on Article 36, Clause XVI agreed to execute said article and
dismiss them from the membership of the Apostolic Assembly.”
g. We ask: Does Article 36 only contain Clause VXI? Why did they not
execute the balance of Article 36? This is another irrefutable proof that
this present Board of Directors makes use of the Constitution in agreement to
their own personal interests and in this case being selective as to what they
will obey in agreement to what they plot in their hearts.
h. It is obvious that they used all the pastorate and episcopate to justify
their actions before the rest of our Assembly attempting to project an image
of men of righteous and integrity, fearful of God, attached to the Word of God
and the Constitution but have not been congruent with all that they are
capable of doing and that they have done a lot of harm to our Assembly.
Pastoral Letter of July 23, 2008
III. Attempts of conciliation were fruitless.
Why do they use the word “attempts” in plural when it was only once? However,
different to them, for seven months we attempted making attempts. They write:
“As proof of it, we send a copy of the letter with the date of October 5,
2007 that the Bishop President and the Vice-President sent to the ministers
that are now being removed, where they are invited to meet on October 9, 2007,
at 11:00 a.m. at the General Offices.”
In first place, this has never been a problem of communion of the elections of
2006, but a problem of corruption in the elections of 2006.
In second place, pay close attention to the expression that indicates without
doubting that they did not have the slightest intention of rectifying in
relation to all the errors that they committed at the elections of 2006 and
said expression is the following: “What started as a claim, that surely for
you justifiable and reasonable, and for us a firm and satisfactory reply.”
In other words they were firm in what they did and they were satisfied with
what they did.
For example, we do not believe in profound sighs, nor Christian humbleness,
nor hearts in our hands, in other words, we discerned that there was no
sincerity nor intention of rectifying the claim we have.
It is good that they place dates in that dates become interesting and reveal
very important things. Why? Because they convened us on October 9, 2007 and
two days after this Bishop President Sánchez, Vice-President Valverde and
Secretary General Pacheco they were establishing a new corporation in the
state of Texas. On October 11, 2007 without having submitted a
proposed-initiative at General Convention and without seeking the pastoral
approval according to Article 75 caused forty-six violations to our
Constitution.
You pastors judge, were they sincere with the content of their letter?
Furthermore, the following month at General Convention they muted all, they
maintained it veiled and we pastors were not worthy of being advised then.
Point 3 Letter 3. And have proceeded to install new pastors in those four
churches.
We regret that it is so easy for them to not be truthful as our brother Abel
V. Torres continues to pastor the same church in Midland, Texas.
To all Bloggers:
Just some response to Hallelujah
Anyhow:
Having attended Western Apostolic Bible College in Stockton and also many of my friends.
We were "shocked" out of our socks, that church members or students attending WABC, almost spelled "WASP) College that were involved in "fornication and adultery" or homosextual acts, even pastors were "permitted to "PRAY THROUGH AT THE ALTAR" and they were backed in "full membership".
Being from the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus and with so much legalism it was difficult for us to accept that.
But now I know that God does not reject a contrite and repented heart. I learned this from reading the word and exegeses (researching the word of God.
God is a forgiving and merciful God. God is, but man is not...
I believe in total "reconcilation and re-instating a person that says that God has forgiven them...
But the UPC will reinstate members that have been baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, according to Acts 2:38., and have spoken in angelical tongues as the spirit gave utterance. This being as evidence of having received the Holy Spirit.
But,,,,If a sister of the Church "falls from grace and Cuts her hair, and wear its at shoulder length or shorter,and insists in attending church or tries to attend WASP COLLEGE.
That sister even though she prays through at the altar WILL NOT be re-instated as a "full pledge member" or STUDENT until THAT HAIR GROWS.
This is because she must be an "example", to the other ladies of being in accordance by the word of God...and not have a "rebellious spirit if she continues to keep her hair short.(Or cut)
She can cut her bangs or her SPIT CURLES..BUT NOT THE LENGTH.OF THAT HAIR.
THE HIPROCASY OF IT ALL IS THAT THEY ALL CUT THEIR HAIR...OR IT WOULD BE LIKE 'LADY GODIVIA'
Have you ever heard such a ridiculous thing? Using the length of a woman's hair as part as A 'MEANS TO SALVATION'.
This my dear bloggers is sacriligeous...
Boy, THESE MEN IN POWER HAVE SO MUCH NERVE AND have so much control and muniputation on Women.
I think if they would be evaluated by a psychologist this men would be diagnosed as "controllers and munipulators" and 'WITH BIG HANGUP ON WOMEN ISSUES.'
"Think" my dear Hallelujah anyhow.
"Think" God has given you the ability to "think..."
Haven't you heard that one way to describe a "CULT' is to have its members lose the ability to "THINK"
THAT'S THE UPC FOR YOU....
And the AA.
But again I say you know more about our AA Pastors, especially from Arizona. Like Brother Art Tafoya and especially when John Vasquez is. Has his wife joined him?
You know everything about us.
I say you must be awfully bored at the UPC. Or you must be from the AA and you must be just BAITING US.
THE UPC AND AA men are the same. They 'WORRY" so much about 'WOMEN'. Always measuring the length of 'THEIR SKIRTS'
They are told to Wear "jean skirts" because you cannot and will not wear "jean Pants..under no circumstances."
Not even if you "pray through at the Altar and insist in wearing Jean pants you will not be able to participate in singing in the choir nor play any instrument, if that is what you do. But if you have your "regular" 'CLONES'
RIDICULOUS "Gibson Girl" stuffed hair-do. no matter what other "imoral"sins you do.
But as long as you have long hair, women, and you "PRAY THROUGH AT THE ALTAR'
Then you are in FULL PLEDGED MEMBERSHIP...
You will be "shuned", forever if you wear Blue Jean Pants.
Or give up the Famous "Hair Bun, "Taking me to heaven Bun."
We do not see the men wearing sandles and tunics...like the Primitive church Fathers did?
UPC OR AA... .
The 'modern attire and Armani suits etc that they wear.. and shoes and "White Shirts" That they love....
Well if you want to be in 'REAL APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL MODE' OR VOGUE'as you expect the women to be with their hair, and dress.
THEN I suggest you WEAR THEM 'SANDLES AND ROBES AND THE 'HEAD BAND'Or Saint Peter Ain't going to let you in either.
Copy Abraham"s, Isaac"s, Jacob's
And the Taliban's men attire.
Don't be such hipocrites....
Stop harrassing "Women" But I think being a man myself that "Women" love to use those tactics as a "HOOK' TO GET THEM MEN.....
It's just a big joke. Explointing, controlling, munipulating and condemning to Hell the Woman or Women that does "not obey "them" man made rules."
I also suggest for Men to dress accordingly, as the Primitive Apostolic Times. Then you can have a "right" to open your mouths. GB UPC and you Maffey self[righteous..
Go back to the way the "Amish" conduct themselves in Pennsylvania and other Eastern parts . They you will not be labed as "hipocrites" as the Pharises.
Get rid of your Modern cars and evangelize door to door to get exercise instead of your famous "golf games" that you say relaxes you.
How does it relax you???Why don't you pray more instead of being in the sun like LIZARDS.
You are out in the "golf course" while the "Dorcas" are in "hot kitchens in servitude making "peanut butter brittle and "tamales". Never have enough for "Building funds; and the Florazul.
Hallelujah anyhow I know you BAITED me and thanks for that .
We need to be "enlighted" by the word of God. That "We are saved by Grace and not by works".
So you AA members of 3,4th generations 'open your eyes" and see What really the UPC has to offer you.
You lost your "roots" for the "gringo". Oh just to be with them> Cause you say the AA is all full of first time immigrants. All my generation have gone., you say. Well one time your parents,grandparents were also
first time immigrants. Or are you "Native Americans," Hopi, Navago, from Arizona or Suix, or Cherokee?"
If not, then you are defintely from first time Mexican desendents.
But I got good news for Hallelujah anyhow. The UPC HISPANICS MINISTERIES where you are is "same old, same Old''' First time immigrants.
God is bringing them to this Country so they can hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ in This END TIMES..
"Forget the hair, pants, makeup and skirts of the Women."
Concentrate on Christ Jesus and His Soon Raptured Church...
Jesus concentrated on "Mary Magadalena and also on the Tax collector that became one of his disciples. He also called a Doctor and also fishermen.
Just think we will all be together WITH THE LORD for ETERNITY...How Wonderful...
I love you all very much. God bless you.
Just a few more questions to update me with our sister church the UPC>>
After all we were at one time One during the "Azusa street Revival. So were the Assemblies of God and Baptists, so they claimed.
Who is the General Superintendent for the Hispanic Pastors, in the UPC?
Who are the Superintendents?(As Bishops are called.)
Under what name is the Property of the Hispanic Ministeries under?
Sure, what a coincidence that the "Sons of the retiring Pastors"
are "voted in by the CHURCH Members".
We've "seen that, done that and being there".
2006 ELECTIONS IN LONG BEACH..SAME OLD SAME OLD...
But don't forget my dear brother and sister Bloggers....UPC members that have left the AA cannot "leave our blogs" .
Have you "read" some of the reports and cries of EX-members in the UPC Blogs.. They are horrific....
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.. Never ending
'BUILDING FUND...
Look into their blogs...Exploitation.
EVEN WHEN THEY 'HAVE THEIR CHURCH Built BY THE COMMUNITY IN ONE DAY......
They still continue 'THE BUILDING FUND RAISING PLEDGES.
The "gringo" White Pastor" or shall I say "White Massa" arrives in limos.
What does the Hispanic pastor arrive in?
OH......But the Great priviledge of "Rubbing elbows" with THE AMERICAN BRETHREN...WHAT JOY..
HUH BROTHER HALLELUJAH ANYHOW/
You obviously do not have the "slighest hint of the UPC MENTALITY"
The "real deep Red Neck " hidden mentality...
"Think......"
Again I say. I love you very much and God bless all of you...
Thank you for "baiting Me' This needed to be said a loooooggg time
ago.
Thank you BlogMaster: Brother Leybas? Right...From Arizona? God bless you too.
To all Bloggers:
Just some response to Hallelujah
Anyhow:
Having attended Western Apostolic Bible College in Stockton and also many of my friends.
We were "shocked" out of our socks, that church members or students attending WABC, almost spelled "WASP) College that were involved in "fornication and adultery" or homosextual acts, even pastors were "permitted to "PRAY THROUGH AT THE ALTAR" and they were backed in "full membership".
Being from the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus and with so much legalism it was difficult for us to accept that.
But now I know that God does not reject a contrite and repented heart. I learned this from reading the word and exegeses (researching the word of God.
God is a forgiving and merciful God. God is, but man is not...
I believe in total "reconcilation and re-instating a person that says that God has forgiven them...
But the UPC will reinstate members that have been baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, according to Acts 2:38., and have spoken in angelical tongues as the spirit gave utterance. This being as evidence of having received the Holy Spirit.
But,,,,If a sister of the Church "falls from grace and Cuts her hair, and wear its at shoulder length or shorter,and insists in attending church or tries to attend WASP COLLEGE.
That sister even though she prays through at the altar WILL NOT be re-instated as a "full pledge member" or STUDENT until THAT HAIR GROWS.
This is because she must be an "example", to the other ladies of being in accordance by the word of God...and not have a "rebellious spirit if she continues to keep her hair short.(Or cut)
She can cut her bangs or her SPIT CURLES..BUT NOT THE LENGTH.OF THAT HAIR.
THE HIPROCASY OF IT ALL IS THAT THEY ALL CUT THEIR HAIR...OR IT WOULD BE LIKE 'LADY GODIVIA'
Have you ever heard such a ridiculous thing? Using the length of a woman's hair as part as A 'MEANS TO SALVATION'.
This my dear bloggers is sacriligeous...
Boy, THESE MEN IN POWER HAVE SO MUCH NERVE AND have so much control and muniputation on Women.
I think if they would be evaluated by a psychologist this men would be diagnosed as "controllers and munipulators" and 'WITH BIG HANGUP ON WOMEN ISSUES.'
"Think" my dear Hallelujah anyhow.
"Think" God has given you the ability to "think..."
Haven't you heard that one way to describe a "CULT' is to have its members lose the ability to "THINK"
THAT'S THE UPC FOR YOU....
And the AA.
But again I say you know more about our AA Pastors, especially from Arizona. Like Brother Art Tafoya and especially when John Vasquez is. Has his wife joined him?
You know everything about us.
I say you must be awfully bored at the UPC. Or you must be from the AA and you must be just BAITING US.
THE UPC AND AA men are the same. They 'WORRY" so much about 'WOMEN'. Always measuring the length of 'THEIR SKIRTS'
They are told to Wear "jean skirts" because you cannot and will not wear "jean Pants..under no circumstances."
Not even if you "pray through at the Altar and insist in wearing Jean pants you will not be able to participate in singing in the choir nor play any instrument, if that is what you do. But if you have your "regular" 'CLONES'
RIDICULOUS "Gibson Girl" stuffed hair-do. no matter what other "imoral"sins you do.
But as long as you have long hair, women, and you "PRAY THROUGH AT THE ALTAR'
Then you are in FULL PLEDGED MEMBERSHIP...
You will be "shuned", forever if you wear Blue Jean Pants.
Or give up the Famous "Hair Bun, "Taking me to heaven Bun."
We do not see the men wearing sandles and tunics...like the Primitive church Fathers did?
UPC OR AA... .
The 'modern attire and Armani suits etc that they wear.. and shoes and "White Shirts" That they love....
Well if you want to be in 'REAL APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL MODE' OR VOGUE'as you expect the women to be with their hair, and dress.
THEN I suggest you WEAR THEM 'SANDLES AND ROBES AND THE 'HEAD BAND'Or Saint Peter Ain't going to let you in either.
Copy Abraham"s, Isaac"s, Jacob's
And the Taliban's men attire.
Don't be such hipocrites....
Stop harrassing "Women" But I think being a man myself that "Women" love to use those tactics as a "HOOK' TO GET THEM MEN.....
It's just a big joke. Explointing, controlling, munipulating and condemning to Hell the Woman or Women that does "not obey "them" man made rules."
I also suggest for Men to dress accordingly, as the Primitive Apostolic Times. Then you can have a "right" to open your mouths. GB UPC and you Maffey self[righteous..
Go back to the way the "Amish" conduct themselves in Pennsylvania and other Eastern parts . They you will not be labed as "hipocrites" as the Pharises.
Get rid of your Modern cars and evangelize door to door to get exercise instead of your famous "golf games" that you say relaxes you.
How does it relax you???Why don't you pray more instead of being in the sun like LIZARDS.
You are out in the "golf course" while the "Dorcas" are in "hot kitchens in servitude making "peanut butter brittle and "tamales". Never have enough for "Building funds; and the Florazul.
Hallelujah anyhow I know you BAITED me and thanks for that .
We need to be "enlighted" by the word of God. That "We are saved by Grace and not by works".
So you AA members of 3,4th generations 'open your eyes" and see What really the UPC has to offer you.
You lost your "roots" for the "gringo". Oh just to be with them> Cause you say the AA is all full of first time immigrants. All my generation have gone., you say. Well one time your parents,grandparents were also
first time immigrants. Or are you "Native Americans," Hopi, Navago, from Arizona or Suix, or Cherokee?"
If not, then you are defintely from first time Mexican desendents.
But I got good news for Hallelujah anyhow. The UPC HISPANICS MINISTERIES where you are is "same old, same Old''' First time immigrants.
God is bringing them to this Country so they can hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ in This END TIMES..
"Forget the hair, pants, makeup and skirts of the Women."
Concentrate on Christ Jesus and His Soon Raptured Church...
Jesus concentrated on "Mary Magadalena and also on the Tax collector that became one of his disciples. He also called a Doctor and also fishermen.
Just think we will all be together WITH THE LORD for ETERNITY...How Wonderful...
I love you all very much. God bless you.
Just a few more questions to update me with our sister church the UPC>>
After all we were at one time One during the "Azusa street Revival. So were the Assemblies of God and Baptists, so they claimed.
Who is the General Superintendent for the Hispanic Pastors, in the UPC?
Who are the Superintendents?(As Bishops are called.)
Under what name is the Property of the Hispanic Ministeries under?
Sure, what a coincidence that the "Sons of the retiring Pastors"
are "voted in by the CHURCH Members".
We've "seen that, done that and being there".
2006 ELECTIONS IN LONG BEACH..SAME OLD SAME OLD...
But don't forget my dear brother and sister Bloggers....UPC members that have left the AA cannot "leave our blogs" .
Have you "read" some of the reports and cries of EX-members in the UPC Blogs.. They are horrific....
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.. Never ending
'BUILDING FUND...
Look into their blogs...Exploitation.
EVEN WHEN THEY 'HAVE THEIR CHURCH Built BY THE COMMUNITY IN ONE DAY......
They still continue 'THE BUILDING FUND RAISING PLEDGES.
The "gringo" White Pastor" or shall I say "White Massa" arrives in limos.
What does the Hispanic pastor arrive in?
OH......But the Great priviledge of "Rubbing elbows" with THE AMERICAN BRETHREN...WHAT JOY..
HUH BROTHER HALLELUJAH ANYHOW/
You obviously do not have the "slighest hint of the UPC MENTALITY"
The "real deep Red Neck " hidden mentality...
"Think......"
Again I say. I love you very much and God bless all of you...
Thank you for "baiting Me' This needed to be said a loooooggg time
ago.
Thank you BlogMaster: Brother Leybas? Right...From Arizona? God bless you too.
To all Bloggers:
Just some response to Hallelujah
Anyhow:
Having attended Western Apostolic Bible College in Stockton and also many of my friends.
We were "shocked" out of our socks, that church members or students attending WABC, almost spelled "WASP) College that were involved in "fornication and adultery" or homosextual acts, even pastors were "permitted to "PRAY THROUGH AT THE ALTAR" and they were backed in "full membership".
Being from the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus and with so much legalism it was difficult for us to accept that.
But now I know that God does not reject a contrite and repented heart. I learned this from reading the word and exegeses (researching the word of God.
God is a forgiving and merciful God. God is, but man is not...
I believe in total "reconcilation and re-instating a person that says that God has forgiven them...
But the UPC will reinstate members that have been baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, according to Acts 2:38., and have spoken in angelical tongues as the spirit gave utterance. This being as evidence of having received the Holy Spirit.
But,,,,If a sister of the Church "falls from grace and Cuts her hair, and wear its at shoulder length or shorter,and insists in attending church or tries to attend WASP COLLEGE.
That sister even though she prays through at the altar WILL NOT be re-instated as a "full pledge member" or STUDENT until THAT HAIR GROWS.
This is because she must be an "example", to the other ladies of being in accordance by the word of God...and not have a "rebellious spirit if she continues to keep her hair short.(Or cut)
She can cut her bangs or her SPIT CURLES..BUT NOT THE LENGTH.OF THAT HAIR.
THE HIPROCASY OF IT ALL IS THAT THEY ALL CUT THEIR HAIR...OR IT WOULD BE LIKE 'LADY GODIVIA'
Have you ever heard such a ridiculous thing? Using the length of a woman's hair as part as A 'MEANS TO SALVATION'.
This my dear bloggers is sacriligeous...
Boy, THESE MEN IN POWER HAVE SO MUCH NERVE AND have so much control and muniputation on Women.
I think if they would be evaluated by a psychologist this men would be diagnosed as "controllers and munipulators" and 'WITH BIG HANGUP ON WOMEN ISSUES.'
"Think" my dear Hallelujah anyhow.
"Think" God has given you the ability to "think..."
Haven't you heard that one way to describe a "CULT' is to have its members lose the ability to "THINK"
THAT'S THE UPC FOR YOU....
And the AA.
But again I say you know more about our AA Pastors, especially from Arizona. Like Brother Art Tafoya and especially when John Vasquez is. Has his wife joined him?
You know everything about us.
I say you must be awfully bored at the UPC. Or you must be from the AA and you must be just BAITING US.
THE UPC AND AA men are the same. They 'WORRY" so much about 'WOMEN'. Always measuring the length of 'THEIR SKIRTS'
They are told to Wear "jean skirts" because you cannot and will not wear "jean Pants..under no circumstances."
Not even if you "pray through at the Altar and insist in wearing Jean pants you will not be able to participate in singing in the choir nor play any instrument, if that is what you do. But if you have your "regular" 'CLONES'
RIDICULOUS "Gibson Girl" stuffed hair-do. no matter what other "imoral"sins you do.
But as long as you have long hair, women, and you "PRAY THROUGH AT THE ALTAR'
Then you are in FULL PLEDGED MEMBERSHIP...
You will be "shuned", forever if you wear Blue Jean Pants.
Or give up the Famous "Hair Bun, "Taking me to heaven Bun."
We do not see the men wearing sandles and tunics...like the Primitive church Fathers did?
UPC OR AA... .
The 'modern attire and Armani suits etc that they wear.. and shoes and "White Shirts" That they love....
Well if you want to be in 'REAL APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL MODE' OR VOGUE'as you expect the women to be with their hair, and dress.
THEN I suggest you WEAR THEM 'SANDLES AND ROBES AND THE 'HEAD BAND'Or Saint Peter Ain't going to let you in either.
Copy Abraham"s, Isaac"s, Jacob's
And the Taliban's men attire.
Don't be such hipocrites....
Stop harrassing "Women" But I think being a man myself that "Women" love to use those tactics as a "HOOK' TO GET THEM MEN.....
It's just a big joke. Explointing, controlling, munipulating and condemning to Hell the Woman or Women that does "not obey "them" man made rules."
I also suggest for Men to dress accordingly, as the Primitive Apostolic Times. Then you can have a "right" to open your mouths. GB UPC and you Maffey self[righteous..
Go back to the way the "Amish" conduct themselves in Pennsylvania and other Eastern parts . They you will not be labed as "hipocrites" as the Pharises.
Get rid of your Modern cars and evangelize door to door to get exercise instead of your famous "golf games" that you say relaxes you.
How does it relax you???Why don't you pray more instead of being in the sun like LIZARDS.
You are out in the "golf course" while the "Dorcas" are in "hot kitchens in servitude making "peanut butter brittle and "tamales". Never have enough for "Building funds; and the Florazul.
Hallelujah anyhow I know you BAITED me and thanks for that .
We need to be "enlighted" by the word of God. That "We are saved by Grace and not by works".
So you AA members of 3,4th generations 'open your eyes" and see What really the UPC has to offer you.
You lost your "roots" for the "gringo". Oh just to be with them> Cause you say the AA is all full of first time immigrants. All my generation have gone., you say. Well one time your parents,grandparents were also
first time immigrants. Or are you "Native Americans," Hopi, Navago, from Arizona or Suix, or Cherokee?"
If not, then you are defintely from first time Mexican desendents.
But I got good news for Hallelujah anyhow. The UPC HISPANICS MINISTERIES where you are is "same old, same Old''' First time immigrants.
God is bringing them to this Country so they can hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ in This END TIMES..
"Forget the hair, pants, makeup and skirts of the Women."
Concentrate on Christ Jesus and His Soon Raptured Church...
Jesus concentrated on "Mary Magadalena and also on the Tax collector that became one of his disciples. He also called a Doctor and also fishermen.
Just think we will all be together WITH THE LORD for ETERNITY...How Wonderful...
I love you all very much. God bless you.
Just a few more questions to update me with our sister church the UPC>>
After all we were at one time One during the "Azusa street Revival. So were the Assemblies of God and Baptists, so they claimed.
Who is the General Superintendent for the Hispanic Pastors, in the UPC?
Who are the Superintendents?(As Bishops are called.)
Under what name is the Property of the Hispanic Ministeries under?
Sure, what a coincidence that the "Sons of the retiring Pastors"
are "voted in by the CHURCH Members".
We've "seen that, done that and being there".
2006 ELECTIONS IN LONG BEACH..SAME OLD SAME OLD...
But don't forget my dear brother and sister Bloggers....UPC members that have left the AA cannot "leave our blogs" .
Have you "read" some of the reports and cries of EX-members in the UPC Blogs.. They are horrific....
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.. Never ending
'BUILDING FUND...
Look into their blogs...Exploitation.
EVEN WHEN THEY 'HAVE THEIR CHURCH Built BY THE COMMUNITY IN ONE DAY......
They still continue 'THE BUILDING FUND RAISING PLEDGES.
The "gringo" White Pastor" or shall I say "White Massa" arrives in limos.
What does the Hispanic pastor arrive in?
OH......But the Great priviledge of "Rubbing elbows" with THE AMERICAN BRETHREN...WHAT JOY..
HUH BROTHER HALLELUJAH ANYHOW/
You obviously do not have the "slighest hint of the UPC MENTALITY"
The "real deep Red Neck " hidden mentality...
"Think......"
Again I say. I love you very much and God bless all of you...
Thank you for "baiting Me' This needed to be said a loooooggg time
ago.
Thank you BlogMaster: Brother Leybas? Right...From Arizona? God bless you too.
Opps::Bloged twice..
Excuse me please..
Loveyouall...God bless you...
Good evangelizing for new immigrants.
They are all precious in the eyes of God. Just as much as we are and our antecestors.
Opps::Bloged twice..
Excuse me please..
Loveyouall...God bless you...
Good evangelizing for new immigrants.
They are all precious in the eyes of God. Just as much as we are and our antecestors.
ToJU4All"
Very well explained;;;;
But WHERE are the very expensive "PLAINFF ATTORNEYS'
DOING ABOUT THIS IRRULARITIES...AND CONFUSIONS...
SO where are those attorneys...
Where is Sal Mendoza that initiated Parker in Houston?
Do something please. You have written a well explained piece of Information...
The CID does not exist here in the US-AA
It originated and is still active, very active in "LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO..." They are the same as the AA..
So Martin Del Campo "stole" it from the church that "Helped take the Ranch out of Him" and tried to educate him. So he "back" lashes them...Traidor to the Iglesia de Mexico. They sure have his number..
So what about another "Benedict Arnold" Misael Zaragosa? Mechanic at Air Craft work shops".
He was another "turn jacket" to Brother Baldemar that also took or tried to civilize him .
Misael was just a rough individual that back at the "ranch of Lamont" where he was raised as a "ranch hand".
Without any credentials but as Pres., for the Varones, also appointed, never elected...He evolved into the Pastorship at National City...SURE TOOK BROTHER MORALES FOR A WILD RIDE...
He is "just a nivofito" . that has no business as a Pastor.
But you see why Sanchez has him there.
Misael is always having "someone" else preach...Pays "megga bucks" to the Evangelists..especially GB.
Poor congregation of National City, with a "Overseer" that has to help evangelists or other Pastor save himfrom preaching.
He is just a a big "Joker" His wife, "TELLS ALL AND MORE'.
I would not doubt it if he refinances the church of National City for the $400.000.00.
Anything to please the GB. And believe me if anyone knows who Sanchez, Valderde and Pacheo and Maffey and Aguilar, Misael Zaragosa knows all and more.
ToJU4All"
Very well explained;;;;
But WHERE are the very expensive "PLAINFF ATTORNEYS'
DOING ABOUT THIS IRRULARITIES...AND CONFUSIONS...
SO where are those attorneys...
Where is Sal Mendoza that initiated Parker in Houston?
Do something please. You have written a well explained piece of Information...
The CID does not exist here in the US-AA
It originated and is still active, very active in "LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO..." They are the same as the AA..
So Martin Del Campo "stole" it from the church that "Helped take the Ranch out of Him" and tried to educate him. So he "back" lashes them...Traidor to the Iglesia de Mexico. They sure have his number..
So what about another "Benedict Arnold" Misael Zaragosa? Mechanic at Air Craft work shops".
He was another "turn jacket" to Brother Baldemar that also took or tried to civilize him .
Misael was just a rough individual that back at the "ranch of Lamont" where he was raised as a "ranch hand".
Without any credentials but as Pres., for the Varones, also appointed, never elected...He evolved into the Pastorship at National City...SURE TOOK BROTHER MORALES FOR A WILD RIDE...
He is "just a nivofito" . that has no business as a Pastor.
But you see why Sanchez has him there.
Misael is always having "someone" else preach...Pays "megga bucks" to the Evangelists..especially GB.
Poor congregation of National City, with a "Overseer" that has to help evangelists or other Pastor save himfrom preaching.
He is just a a big "Joker" His wife, "TELLS ALL AND MORE'.
I would not doubt it if he refinances the church of National City for the $400.000.00.
Anything to please the GB. And believe me if anyone knows who Sanchez, Valderde and Pacheo and Maffey and Aguilar, Misael Zaragosa knows all and more.
ToJU4All"
Very well explained;;;;
But WHERE are the very expensive "PLAINFF ATTORNEYS'
DOING ABOUT THIS IRRULARITIES...AND CONFUSIONS...
SO where are those attorneys...
Where is Sal Mendoza that initiated Parker in Houston?
Do something please. You have written a well explained piece of Information...
The CID does not exist here in the US-AA
It originated and is still active, very active in "LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO..." They are the same as the AA..
So Martin Del Campo "stole" it from the church that "Helped take the Ranch out of Him" and tried to educate him. So he "back" lashes them...Traidor to the Iglesia de Mexico. They sure have his number..
So what about another "Benedict Arnold" Misael Zaragosa? Mechanic at Air Craft work shops".
He was another "turn jacket" to Brother Baldemar that also took or tried to civilize him .
Misael was just a rough individual that back at the "ranch of Lamont" where he was raised as a "ranch hand".
Without any credentials but as Pres., for the Varones, also appointed, never elected...He evolved into the Pastorship at National City...SURE TOOK BROTHER MORALES FOR A WILD RIDE...
He is "just a nivofito" . that has no business as a Pastor.
But you see why Sanchez has him there.
Misael is always having "someone" else preach...Pays "megga bucks" to the Evangelists..especially GB.
Poor congregation of National City, with a "Overseer" that has to help evangelists or other Pastor save himfrom preaching.
He is just a a big "Joker" His wife, "TELLS ALL AND MORE'.
I would not doubt it if he refinances the church of National City for the $400.000.00.
Anything to please the GB. And believe me if anyone knows who Sanchez, Valderde and Pacheo and Maffey and Aguilar, Misael Zaragosa knows all and more.
To IM4REFORM:
Thank you for your comments.
I know Daniel and Sam.
Daniel didn't come up with this mess, unless he got satanically possessed. But he is the number one person responsible for allowing it to happen!!
His legacy will be that he destroyed the AA.
This is nothing compared to Efrain Valverde's situation. Efrain looks like an "angel" compared to this mess Daniel has allowed on his watch. WOW!!
I still think Sam came up with the skeem of the 2006 elections.
Because, this is typical Sam's way of doing business..calculated and cold blooded.
However, I believe one of the current GB members will eventually cross the other and then all hell will break loose!
They will spill the frijoles on each other about the 2006 elections!
To: Thought for the day,
You can change your name from becausewecare to thoughtfortheday yet you show the same stupidity!
Again you know not what you speak!
Your mentality of us imigrantes/mexicanos/chicanos/latinos shows your conversion, that never happened....
You're the one making a race issue! Your the races! And thats why your not a MAN OF GOD!
You will always be bound, by your AA while true Apostolics move on in God!
Sister Halleluja, has more authority to speak in one finger then you in any aspect!
You know nothing about what your talking about!
You are the type of people this generation is sick of!
Don't you know that in God there is no RACE?
It's people like you that are the reason why we are leaving the aa, you are no different! Just full of lies!
i still have loved ones in the AA...
i wish people understood us who are in exile...
we didn't leave and remain in contact becuase of hate...
we do it out of concern and love for the people..
we no longer agree nor can we support the AA and its corrupt junta... but we no less love its people...
see us as refugees... who's homeland and people were never removed from their heart....
Chairman Mao, an AA in self-imposed exile... :)
Well my husband talked to our pastor today and told him we will nolonger be a part of the assembly, I want to say we love you all but it's true people like "thought for the day" you did more harm then good. I wont say where we will go cause I know someone will make an issue of it, just know we are still oneness.
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