So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?
Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.
Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.
You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.
I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".
Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.
You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.
Back to the Revolutionaries...
If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.
I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.
Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire
ps.
For our revolutionaries....
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Which pastor are they visiting? (they have several)
Is anyone here from Alpha Omega in El Paso, Texas?
accion wrote: "Thats the building the GB took from pastor Jesse Espinoza."
ACCION...
Can you please elaborate on what happened with the church that Ismael has now?
Who is Pastor Jesse Espinoza?
I know that they are here for a fact. I don't know which church this Pastor is from...I also don't know why he is being removed? Is there something going on out here that we are not aware of or is it elections related?
this must have happened some time ago. I know Ismael has had S.Gate church since pre-2000.... maybe years before that... I don't know exactly. So when Accion mentions that the GB took it from someone, that tells me that this aint NEW!
ByTborder & Isthisgoing
Some churches in TX have left the aa already. I don't know how many.
Ask Tejano.
Rightgaurd smelled: "Thank you for informing me of Baldeliar leaving in 2002, but if Mr. Ruff was released in 2003 when did the General Board have their secret meeting or meeting to release Mr. Ruff."
Good question Mr. Defensive. Why don't you ask your presiding Bishop this. Why did he get rid of the guy and have secret meetings about him?
Rightgaurd smelled: "Mr. Ruff is under the impression Baldeliar had something to do with that."
Are you Mr. Ruff? Or is it true that the AAFCJ should have told the court the TRUTH that the presiding bishop in 2003 was in fact D. Sanchez! Instead of allowing the court to think that B. Rodriguez was the presiding bishop. I guess the AAfCJ thinks they can lie to the US Court too huh?
Rightgaurd smelled: "As far as me needing rightguard, you are right but my smell should be something you can handle."
What is up with you GB trying to control people even on a blog? I don't need to handle your smell if I don't want to. Get over yourself!
Rightgaurd smelled horribly: "After all your mom (aka Sister Sewer Samon) was about as smelly as they come. Besides having ten step dads, were you able to find out who your biological father is. (lol")
That's just cold meat, you come out safisticated and then leave childish. Let men be men and children be children. If you can't handle the heat, get of the kitchen GB!
I'm not who you think I am and for you to have such a vendetta against D. Salomon and his family, well all I can say is that God will take care of it. You're really showing your true colors. Again, you sad little man.
Alert!!!
Pastor Francisco Esquibel from Interior District send his ministerial credential to Bishop Lugo.
And this means...??? Sorry but I'm kind of new here... And don't really know too many name outside of So Cal.
So Sam Valverde went to the Olympics? Hmmm, I thought Apostolics were HIGHLY discouraged from participating in organized sports? Too much flesh being shown there brother! Can you imagine the criticism if any one qualified to participate in any olympic event? Can you say "tar and feather"? Why is our illustrious leaders, our shining examples supporting an event your local church probably preaches against. But yet we can reconcile people to ministry (sorry Jaime, you are the most glaring example) even though the Assembly has a document saying they don't believe in reconciliation for ministry. (see apostolic letters)
P.S. Don't forget to send in your tithes and offerings!
Jose,
You need to post more details buddy. Pastor Francisco Esquibel sent his minister's license to the bishop? Um, why? To make copies of it? To analyze it for anthrax contamination? Because they like each other? Because he found a better job?
Also, what church does Pastor Francisco Esquibel pastor?
More details dude.
Hello? Is this thing on?,
Pastor Francisco Esquibel, Pastors in Thousand Palms and all it means is that yet another strong (that is that he left for the right reasons and not because he was stealing money or anything shady) man was willing to speak up to the General Board and let them know that he isn't going to be apart of a Monopoly. Yes, there are other ways to speak up, although limited, this is one way of speaking up. We will continue to pray for Pastor Esquibel that Christ continues to be His Lord and King and that his worship stays centered on Christ and not on earthly idols such as money or position.
(This comment may be premature in nature. That is because Jose's post wasn't complete. I was just trying to give some background on what this means if the resignation was in protest to the General Board)
Maybe Valverde was getting his groove on with Misty May. Or maybe he went to see Olympic diving. Or maybe he was watching Olympic Fencing.
Pacheco is getting a Gold Medal in Apostolic Fencing. lol
tonedeaf,
I think the AA would love to have one of it's members in the Olympics. Think of all the tithes from the endorsements!
A las movies, you burn in hell. But if you wanna show your nalgas in Beijing and get paid for it, pues just don't forget to send in your tithes and we can get along just fine.
Hey...
I'd go see Kerri Walsh in a heartbeat..
tar and feather me all you want.. iw oudl care less.. LOL
I had heard of thast crazy concept a efw years back when abel duarte started railing off about how sinful and abomination it was to go to a professional sporting even...
poor kid, he had no clue who his audience was.. everyone snickered.. LOL.. this is Texas boy... The Cowboys are religion and equal to going to church now... dontcha know!!?? lol
Everyone thought he was a crack-head for saying that...
Jose
Exactly what churches are in Inferior District?
Factonly1
Do not get upset, because you think that Baldliar and Solomentira are innocent. All that happen to those two is what they have done to others. As far as Sanchez and the rest of GB, their turn will come because that will not happen until they are no longer GB members. This is of course, if history repeats itself.
Sorry for stooping your level (Sewer Samon Jr.); however, I pointed out a fact and a question and you began with the insult. So take some of your advice and get out of the kitchen. Rightguard smell and so does Sewer Samon Jr.
If I was on the side of Sanchez I would be content because the GB had the Plantiffs rearends handed to them. They lost and the GB won so deal with it. The people who I cheered for are victorious.
tone deaf and others
If true that some board members went to the olympics it goes to show what kind of people they support. Type in sex, athletes, and the olympics on Google and you will horrified to all the unimaginable things they do at the olympic village. For one they could not keep up with the supplying of condoms which were used litteraly by the thousands.
If it's true they went to the olympics ,they should of used the $$ & given it to our widows!
Is A.Barrientos still pastor's in Imperial Valley A.Barrien
Truth
Henry, had mentioned(as per prv blog) that he was on paid lv. by the aa.
That's to bad ,he use to visit our District a lot in the past, I think he is really good friends to E Pacheco. Hope it's just a lie from some one trying to damage the ministry GOD has gave him...
E. Pacheco and Fierro Barrientos are friends? Well, that makes sense.
Birds of a feather, stick together.
Nope, I'm not lying about the Sexual Battery Charges against him.
Feel free to call the Clerk of the Superior Court.
The Case Number is posted up a few hundred posts.
It doesn't mean it's true right? Untill proven gilty on gourt, like I said it could just be an acisation but nothing to back it up
I meant court and acusation
A jury will decide.
To Onguard:
Please don't refer to this impostor as factsonly1, you where right before to refer to him as impostor factsonly1.
The impostor talks about true colors coming out but he showed his true colors by trying to steal my blog name. Can anyone with such practices be trusted? No.
Is this the practices of the people that defend Baldemar Rodriuez and Co.
Now all the bloggers are seeing their true colors.
The real and original factsonly1 in front of God almighty.
Are the revs of injustice all about lies. They say the GB member went to the olympics but can they prove this or is this just slander and defamation?
The real and origninal factsonly1 in front of God almighty!
RightGaurd
I'm not upset, and I didn't accuse you of getting upset either. All I stated was that you were defensive, there's a big difference.
However, if you're upset I don't know why. If you feel you are right what is there to be upset about?
I'm just stating facts, read the lawsuit again, just as I stated. Do in depth research not just at the surface.
As far as Sanchez and the rest of GB, their turn will come? Hah! There turn is NOW buddy boy. Is it not under Sanchez' reign that all this destruction is going on? How is it that Sanchez and the GB can't keep the church house in order? Again, do your research in depth, not just surface level.
You see people like you get mad because they think they have the real facts and it backfires on them when someone that is educated gets involved. Don't just read the law suit, research if before you sound like a fool again.
Stooping to my level? What level is that exactly, since you're accusing me of being at a "level".
You were insulted because I called you RightGaurd? Comeon, I'm not even insulted because the GB is mad at me for using their blog name. It's a blog and your anonymous, so why would you get so insulted? Unless you really are THEE TWO VOTE EDDIE!
My advice? Rightgaurd why are you so defensive?
THEE TWO VOTE EDDIE HIMSELF STATES "If I was on the side of Sanchez I would be content because the GB had the Plantiffs rearends handed to them. They lost and the GB won so deal with it. The people who I cheered for are victorious."
If you were on the side of Sanchez? You ARE on the side of Sanchez, you're Pachueco! We all know this!
According to the FACTS the Plantiffs are in an APPEAL, so no one has won. I know you're going to argue because your education is minimal and that alone is obvious because you state that the GB won. Anyone who didn't read the lawsuit correctly would believe that also. The Facts regarding that part of the lawsuit has already been stated and I don't need to repeat myself.
Since I know the GB loves to hear this,
Pastor David Zuniga is a HERO!!!
factsonly1
Get over yourself. Everyone knows I'm the real factsonly1 and I had a real change of heart!
Anyone with such practices be trusted? HAH! You really want to got there?
There you guys go again, trying to discredit the plantiffs. You guys just can't live or sleep without thinking of the plantiffs and what they're doing can you?
"The real and original factsonly1 in front of God almighty."
Why are you trying to rebuke me? So what, I stole your blog name. Who cares? It never held any credit anyway!
What's up with R4J that they are on your minds all the time too!
You guys are plain obsessed, that's gross. You're all old men!
BR, Sanchez, Pacheco, Loriente, Valverde, Duarte, Maffey etc...
The names change, but the Institution remains the same. Its the institution that remains corrupt inspite of who is in charge.
Sanchez and Valverde would preach change and hope all the time, until they became Board Members. One time Valverde even stated that the only way the AA would change would be for all the leaders to die.
My how the Institution Changes people.
Are the revs of injustice all about lies.
Are you adding members to R4J old factsonly1?
Is "being here and there" an R4J? BEING HERE AND THERE can you please verify if you are an R4J member or not?
The GB are picking at straws to get at R4J...assuming things.
Slander and defamation? Why don't you talk to your Ongaurd about slander and defamation, being that he did so, so willingfully regarding B. Rodriguez and D. Salomon's family.
"The real and origninal factsonly1 in front of God almighty!"
Henry
"One time Valverde even stated that the only way the AA would change would be for all the leaders to die."
God forbid this statement bites him in the cheeks! That would just be sad!
To Impostor:
Although this is just a anonymous blog, stealing another person's blog name shows your twisted character and you can't be trusted.
You keep saying and implying that I'm a GB member or office emplyee hired by AA but that's a lie from hell.
Of course you don't have any fear of God to just blurt out lies.
If it's just a name that holds no credit why do you keep trying to steal it. Say your real name you sick twisted freak.
The real and original factsonly1 in front of God almighty.
To impostor:
Now I know you have no fear of God because you spoke lies and then you said you speak in front of God almighty even if you put it in quotations to try to deceive readers. Is this the practices of revs of injustice and their followers and sympathizer. You're falling apart in your credebility in this blog.
The real and original factsonly1 in from of God almighty (no quotations)
To impostor:
You seem to know a lot about what S. Valverde says, so you say (your not credible you're an impostor).
Maybe you use to congregate there? Or a disgruntled relative?
Are you cbg in disguise? Just questions.
The real and original factsonly1 in front of God almighty.
Going to Heaven is our reward, ke no?
Imposter #2
Wouldn't you like to know how close I am to S. Valverde? As a matter of fact, I think I'll keep you guessing on that one.
S. Valverde is going to bite the bullet on this one for sure! He talks to me so freely its pathetic.
Just when you think your home is safe and put in an alarm to keep the danger on the outside...it's the ones you have invited in that you really should worry about.
The real and original factsonly1 in front of God almighty. (no quotations)
If my credibilty was falling apart, you wouldn't be so worried as to me stealing your name and crying about it to the blogmaster.
Who obviously doesn't care. After all, he works with the GB, but just like the rest of you..he's shady.
can one of you's change your name?
factsonly1 and factsonly2 perhaps ?
your posts' are very confusing to follow and this "concerns" me!
-C
why R U ALWAYS concerned......
why R U ALWAYS concerned......
To the original factsonly1
See there, I called you the original.
What got you so mad OG?
Calling everyone on the blog pathetic losers?
Now now there GB, you better calm down. The people are watching you!
Did I hit a nerve telling everyone that the GB is working with the blogmaster?
Or was it when I talked about good ol' Sam?
Why don't you go back to reading your boy magazines and log off. I know who you are, Timo.
The problem is OG factsonly1,
you're buddy there, you know the blogmaster...
his project management skills failed..
he didn't test the site enough to understand that this type of "blog name stealing" could occur..
any good project manager would have gone through all the appropriate steps before launching a site that is vital to the AAFCJ
commensense, work out the kinks of the system before you run it!
again...uneducated GB
OG factsonly1
That should be your new blog name..people would go for it!
Why did you say the following "Why don't you go back to reading your boy magazines and log off. I know who you are, Timo."
Why are you calling yourself out?
Liar! I'm the OG. Go back to those boy magazines. I'm the first & original. You are a sorry imposter,
OG factsonly1
I know you gotta leave at 5pm, unless your "staying late" at the offices.
I will leave you now until you get home from work!
Until then, give the GB a nice big warm hug for me..tell them it's from factsonly1 the imposter!
Go back to your buddy, julio leal. I know you know him leally well. Imposter!
"GQ1973 said...
check out the beginning of the blogs, it was never about Doctrine, it was about the 2006 Elections
"
That Was B4 The BlogMASTER was Biased...aND b4 r4j Brought the darkness of the AA to light...
WHERE ARE THE ZUNIGA VIDS???
WHY ARENT THEY ON THIS BLOG???
WHY DOES THE BLOGMASTER MOCK R4J NOW??
TOO MUCH PRESSURE FROM THE gb??
idk
Maybe HE can't handle all of the attention this blog has recieved...
-SKOTTY
I AM THE REAL FACTSONLY1!!
Now I know factsonly1 is part of the GB! He is showing their BIPOLAR tendencies!
ALERT ALERT!!!!!
IN MY UNPROFESSIONAL OPINION, YET SELF PROCLAIMED PROFESSIONAL OPINION ...
I AM SPECULATING THAT FACTSONLY1 IS TIM.Y V.LVERDE
LOL
THE ORIGINAL SON OF SAM!
THE ORIGINAL FLOR AZUL.
THE ORIGINAL "LETS CELEBRATE JUNE 16TH 2008 FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES!"
lol
THATS JUST IN MY UNPROFESSIONAL
SELF PROCLAIMED PROFESSIONAL OPINION...
in yo FACE TIM!
-SKOTTY
its STILL on like DONKEY KONG!!!
Henry,
(Timo) Sam's son?
Timo , go cry to DADDY!!!!!!
Cbg & Skotty
Go Skotty, go SKotty, go SKotty
To the impostor:
You misspelled impostor in your last post. Are you and the revs of injustice so worried about me that you go to this extent to censure me.
Don't you realize that you are using tactics of Satan. Unless you are Satan himself.
You post lies, you steal, you defame, you slander, confuse etc. How can anyone believe your lies and believe you?
You revs of injustice and followers are falling apart, anybody an see this. By the way I didn't call readers looser you (the impostor) did.
So David Zuniga is your hero huh?
Do you congregate with Baldemar Rodriguez? Is this the kind of follower they have?
The real and original factsonly1 in front of God almighty!
Tim is juliA eal your girl?
Good one FACTSONLY1. What a dork you are FACTSONLY1. That was funny FACTSONLY1. What a dumb ..ss you are FACTSONLY1.
Wait a minute! WHO AM I?
Tim , GIRL HIT THE R O A D!!!!
TIMO, we know where you Vives!
tO faux
what is
censure? is it like a census?
Don't you realize that you are using tactics of Satan. Unless you are Satan himself.
No Satan Is a cOLLABORATION of ur daddy (SAM) NOT THE OTHER DADDY...
AND pacheco...
and Their Tactics... lol
Dont you Believe Fraud IS a tactic of satan???
By the way I didn't call readers looser you (the impostor) did.
LOOSER than What??
So David Zuniga is your hero huh?
Do you congregate with Baldemar Rodriguez? Is this the kind of follower they have?
Are U upset at them??
so hostile Flor...
The real and original factsonly1 in front of God almighty!
ARE YOU SURE???
To Skotty the impostor:
Everything about you is unproffessional and everything about you is self proclaimed.
You are nothing but a liar. So Am I Timmo or an office employee?
Neither one you looser, you'll nevever know who I am.
The real and original factsoly1, the one that has all the revs of injustice in fear and proffessing my name. If they would only profess the truth instead!
Go ahead and keep revealing your true colors to all the reader of this blog.
Go ahead and keep revealing your true colors to all the reader of this blog.
LOL
yeah cuz ur the only one reading... lol
right
what about the gb??
im not an imposter ... im am skotty fool
my name hasnt changed, like ur name changes ...
u know what im talking about..
you come on here...
talk speak nothing
then we all THROW FACTS IN YO FACE
and put you in YO PLACE!
then you log off.. and sign on as
some other ONLY names...
and try to defend yourself... but no... we put it in your face!
again and again
SO... WHATS NEXT??
YOU DECIDE
YOUR NAME IS FACTSONLY....
YET YOU BRING NO FACTS TO THE TABLE...
What happened to Ongaurd?
Why didn't he come on while the OG factsonly1 was arguing with himself?
Could Ongaurd be OG factsonly1 also?
Factsonly1 or Fagsonly1 or OGfactsonly1, same difference! Once a dumb ..ss always a dumb ..ss!!!
To Impostor Skotty:
You said yourself not me:
"im am skotty fool"
Wait a minute it's 5:20 PM, according to impostor I'm suppossed to be going home. lol,lol,lol.
You're a looser. I thought your plan was not to address me, not only do you break your strategy but you give me so much attention.
My plan is working.
The real and original factsonly1 who the revs of injustice fear!
Factsonly,
Haaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, Hahahahahahahha
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
This is for all you who don't know if you should give "tithes".
You are better off giving them and not needing to,then needing to give them and not giving them.
The true FACTSONLY1
This is for all you who don't know if you should give "tithes".
You are better off giving them and not needing to,then needing to give them and not giving them.
The true FACTSONLY1
DaChurchOnly said...
This is for all you who don't know if you should give "tithes".
You are better off giving them and not needing to,then needing to give them and not giving them.
The true FACTSONLY1
..................................
CALLED2PROCLAIM..
before you post anything about tithing study it and get facts...tell me if the new testament apostles TITHED...did paul TITHe
It doesn't say they didn't.
To called to proclaim:
For one thing you're not proclaiming the truth.
Of course Paul and Peter gave tithes. As Israelites and believers of the Word of God they followed the commandments of Moses.
Not only did the Apostles tithe so did Jesus, He fulfilled the all the Law.
LIESONLY:
read ur bible...Jesus Christ came NOT to fullfill the LAW but to BREAK it...He died on the CROSS to FINISH the LAW...no more sacrifice are needed....u dont have to bring a dead animal to church...to call on GOD presence or for him to cover ur sins. NOW we are under GRACE we have to come to him as a LIVING and HOLY SACRIFICE..
HE wants us to return to him so he can make us CHILDREN OF GOD..
U STILL DIDNT ANSWER ME where in the bible does it show after christ RESSURECTION that Believers TITHED...pray to god read the bible recieve REVELATION...
may the GRACE of GOD be w/ u..
let us learn togetheir.. thanks for following up
Called to proclaim lies:
Talk about lying and contradicting the scriptures. This goes to show how wrong you are in this issue.
Let me give the truth in a modern translation of the Bible, in case you don't know english that well.
Mathew 5:17-18
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 “For truly I say to you, auntil heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
In regards to sacrifices Jesus fullfills the law being the perfect sacrifice that's why we don't need any other.
Heed your own advise, read on the subject before you start talking about it.
Called TO, Can you show us where it says they didn't give tithes? Also we are not covered by grace we are covered by the BLOOD. We still have to obay the Word of God and that is why we do need a sacrifice, Jesus! If we did not have to give tithes then also the whole new testament would be out the window, and that would make our whole theology of no effect. You have to accept the whole Word of God.
The bible does not say Peter was baptize in Jesus name yet we know he was right?
The bible does not say Jesus drank water during his 40 day and 40 nights of fasting yet we know he did.
The Law says Honor thy Father and Mother right? Do we then stop Honoring them because it falls under the Law?
WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN, THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? GOD FORBID. (ROM 6:1)
factsonly1:
thats GOOD u caught that just want to see if ur just writing just to write...NOW about the question..
Where in the bible does it say after the death, burial, ressurection of JESUS CHRIST that the BELIEVERS were tithing???????????
Factsonly1:
Here is what i posted earlier..hope its a blessing
called2proclaim said...
To Paul & think first....Here is ur answer in case u didnt know...seems like u guys dont from what i see...goodnight....
The History of Tithing
The modern definition of tithing is giving 10% of one’s income to a religious organization. During New Testament times "tithing" referred to the Jewish practice of giving 10% of one's income to support the Temple. The words "tithing" and "tithe" come from an old English word meaning "tenth".
Genesis 14:20 contains the first Biblical reference to the practice of tithing. After Abraham is victorious in a battle against some neighboring kings, he gives a tithe of his treasure to Melchizedek the high priest of Salem. It is important to note that Abraham tithes voluntarily and, as far as we know, he tithes only once.
It was not until 500 years later (circa 1500 BC), after the exodus of the people of Israel from Egypt, that God instituted a law requiring the people of Israel to tithe (Numbers 18:21-26). The purpose of the tithing law was to provide support for the priests and Levites who served in the Tent of Meeting. Another law requiring each Jewish male to pay an annual temple tax had a similar purpose to the tithing law (Ex 38:26). The Tent of Meeting was where the priests administered sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins committed by the people of Israel.
In about 950 BC, King Solomon built a temple in Jerusalem to replace the Tent of Meeting (1 Kings 6 – 10). Upon completion of the Temple, the priests and Levites relocated their sacrificial ministry from the Tent to the Temple. The people continued to support the priests through tithing and the temple tax.
From this time forward, the Jewish people practiced tithing with varying degrees of compliance until the last Temple was destroyed by the Romans around 70 AD. With the destruction of the Temple, the ancient Jews ceased tithing as there was no longer a Temple or priestly ministry in need of support.
The Christian Church emerged some time before the destruction of the Temple (Acts 2). Almost all of the first Christians were of Jewish descent, many of whom struggled with understanding how their new faith in Jesus impacted their practice of Judaism. The Letter to the Hebrews was written to such Jewish Christians. It taught that the Temple was no longer necessary, as forgiveness of sins now came through faith in the death and resurrection of Christ, not through the sacrificial ministry of priests in the Temple (Heb 10). It follows that if the Temple and the priests were not necessary, tithing to support them would also not be necessary. Considering this, it is not surprising that there is no record of Jewish Christians tithing to the Temple after the foundation of the Church. Additionally, the New Testament does not contain any command that Christians tithe.
References to tithing in the New Testament are limited to Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42, Luke 18:12 and Hebrews 7:8-9. The verses in Matthew and Luke are spoken to Jews still subject to the tithing laws, not to Christians. In these verses, Jesus questions the priorities of Jews who place a heavier emphasis on tithing than on charity, mercy and the like. The author of Hebrews refers to tithing to make the point that Christ is greater than the Jewish high priest (Heb 7:8-9, see also Matt 17:26). The author does not instruct Jewish Christians to tithe. To do so would contradict the main theme of the letter which is to prove to Jewish Christians that the resurrection of Christ renders the Temple obsolete.
Soon after Pentecost, with the help of the Apostle Paul, the Christian faith spreads beyond Israel and many Gentiles become Christians. (Jews refer to non-Jews as Gentiles). The first Gentile converts to Christianity were often "God-Fearers." God-Fearers were Gentiles who appreciated Judaism and attended Jewish synagogue services, but did not convert to Judaism usually due to the circumcision requirement. As God-Fearers did not undergo circumcision and convert to Judaism, they were not expected to follow the Jewish Law, meaning they were not obligated to tithe, pay the temple tax, obey the sabbath and the like.
In each city the Apostle Paul visited, he evangelized the local synagogue first, resulting in God-Fearers and Jews converting to Christianity. These new Christians formed local churches in homes (Acts 8:3, Rom 16:5, 1 Cor 16:19, Col 4:15, Phm 1:2). Paul and his colleagues repeated this process in several cities, founding churches in Galatia, Ephesus, Thessalonica, Philippi, Colossae and elsewhere.
As Paul traveled from city to city, he would instruct his churches remotely through letters. These letters make up the bulk of the New Testament. Some of them were likely written prior to the destruction of the Temple (e.g. 1 Thessalonians and Galatians). Paul insists that Gentile Christians (including God-Fearers) reject circumcision and subjection to the Jewish Law (Gal 5:2-6). It is not surprising then, that Paul never suggests that Gentile Christians begin tithing to the Temple or paying the Temple tax. Nor does Paul--or any other New Testament author-- institute any system similar to tithing for the support of the Church.
Since there was no New Testament equivalent to tithing, a question arises regarding how churches were supported. During New Testament times, churches were not institutions. They did not have dedicated buildings or full-time leaders supported by attendees. Instead, churches were similar to modern day home groups. They met in homes with leaders who had means of income other than congregational support. New Testament churches, in other words, had no costs of operation.
Just because they did not tithe does not mean that the early Christians neglected supporting their leaders or giving to Charity. Paul teaches that apostles had the right to request financial support, a right Paul himself did not exercise because he did not want to burden the congregation (1 Cor 9:14-15). The churches also routinely supported widows, orphans and other poor people (1 Tim 5:9, Acts 2:45, Acts 6:1). Paul placed a special emphasis on supporting famished Christians in Jerusalem, asking the Corinthian Christians to take a regular collection for a time to support them. Before asking this, he reminds the Corinthians that the collection is voluntary and not a command (2 Cor 9:7). In summary, whether to apostles or charity, the early Church gave freely as they had means, not because of an expectation or religious requirement that they give a fixed percentage of their income. The Church continued with this voluntary approach to giving for over three centuries.
In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity. Prior to Constantine’s conversion, Christianity was illegal and, as discussed above, churches met secretly in homes with part-time leaders who had other sources of income. After his conversion, Constantine made Christianity both legal and a status symbol causing the Church to expand rapidly. The Church moved out of homes and into buildings and employed full-time ministers, thus creating a much greater need for income. The New Catholic Encyclopedia's article on tithing nicely summarizes this situation and what happened next:
"The early Church had no tithing system. The tithes of the Old Testament were regarded as abrogated by the law of Christ…..As the Church expanded, however, and its material needs grew more numerous and complex, it became necessary to adopt a definite rule to which people could be held either by a sense of moral obligation or by a precept of positive law. The tithing of the Old Law provided an obvious model and it began to be taught—more commonly in the West, however, than in the East—that the faithful should give tithes of their income. When the view began to get sufficient support, it found legislative expression. The Council of Macon in 585 ordered payment of tithes and threatened excommunication to those who refused to comply."
Summary and Conclusions
Catholic Christians believe in the authority of the Pope, the Councils and the Bible. As such, they tithe as defined by the Council of Macon and later pronouncements on tithing. For Protestant Christians relying solely on the Bible to inform their faith and practice, understanding early Church practice as reflected in the New Testament result in some different conclusions regarding giving:
1. Each time the New Testament talks about tithing, it is referring to the Old Testament law requiring Jews to give 10% of their income to support the operation of the Temple and the Jewish priests. The Letter to the Hebrews teaches that Christ's sacrifice rendered the Temple and the priests obsolete. This is why the New Testament never applies the practice of tithing (i.e. giving 10% of one’s income to support the Temple) to Christians.
2. The requirement that Christians "tithe" (tithing here meaning giving ten percent of one's income to support Church buildings and pastors similar to how the Jews tithed to support the Temple and priests) was devised by the Church in 585 AD, centuries after the New Testament was written. This further explains why such a requirement is not mentioned in the New Testament.
3. While the New Testament neither instructs nor suggests that Christians set aside a fixed percentage of their income to support Church leaders or church buildings, it does encourage Christians to give freely and generously to worthy causes such as aged parents, the poor, missionaries and Church leaders.
4. The New Testament states that Church leaders may earn their living from the Church, meaning the leaders may appeal to the Church for voluntary support.
5. The New Testament does not give guidance on Christian priorities when deciding whether, or how much, to give to the church, missionaries or the poor. This means the common Protestant teaching that the local church should have pride of place in Christian giving (before charity, missions or other religious causes) has no Biblical support. It is worth mentioning that 1 Tim 5:8, 1 Tim 5:2 and Mark 7:11 suggest that caring for one’s family and parents is a top priority.
6. The New Testament encourages giving out of abundance or prosperity. It does not expect sacrificial giving, although it does commend it. (See Luke 21:2-4, 2Cor 8:14, 1 Cor 16:2 and 2 Cor 8:8).
August 23, 2008 11:32 PM
You show us where it says they didn't and I'll stop paying tithes and send you my tithes as a LOVE offering for this new revelation.
You are the one with the burden to prove.
How can I apply this in my life? First, I have to remember that everything I have has been given to me by God. “For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer,” (1 Tim 4:4-5). If you have much, praise God for it. If you have little, trust God that He has given you what you need to be content.
Second, I have to understand the gifts I have been given are not mine, but God’s. My money is not 90% mine and 10% God’s – it is 100% God’s. And, He is very interested in what I choose to do with the gifts He has given me. My use of those gifts is the best indicator of my heart. “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also,” (Matt 6:21).
Third, God has given us instruction in how to give. “On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come”, (1 Cor 16:2). Ryrie uses this verse to demonstrate four principles of giving: (a) Giving is incumbent on everyone (“each one of you”); (b) giving is to be proportionate (“as he may prosper”); (c) giving is in private (“put aside and save”); and (d) giving should be periodic (“every week”).
I didnt say where in the bible does it say they didnt tithed???
let me correct u again..
I said where in the new testament does it show that the Belivers tithe after the ressurection????
read what i wrote above maybe then you can answer me..I dont need ur money maybe someone in ur family is struggling finacially maybe u knoe someone in need..widow an orphan etc..
I know what you wrote, I read it.
You said show where they tithe after the resurection. I said show where they didn't tithe after the resurrection? I didn't say you needed my tithe either, that why I said I'll send it as a LOVE offering.
The fact is you can't prove they did not tithe, how do you know they didn't tithe the first day of the week?
Also do you honor your mother and father if so why? That falls under the law.
Do you live a santified life, if so why? You're under grace right?
Or is there exception to the rules? If so who then has the authority to deside when this exception is made?
YOUR FROM THE GB getting upset because ur not going to recieve your salary...WHY bcuz more and more people are receiving the revelation about tithing it only talks about belivers offering not tithing and not a set number or percent the spirit of the lord will guide u how much and where u give it...if tithing were important PAUL and the apostles would have mentioned tithing in the letters to the churches...with i close about this subject...
u have to understand the gifts u have been given are not yours, but God’s. My money is not 90% mine and 10% God’s – it is 100% God’s. And, He is very interested in what I choose to do with the gifts He has given me. My use of those gifts is the best indicator of my heart. “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also,” (Matt 6:21).
God bless u.
YOUR FROM THE GB getting upset because ur not going to recieve your salary...WHY bcuz more and more people are receiving the revelation about tithing it only talks about belivers offering not tithing and not a set number or percent the spirit of the lord will guide u how much and where u give it...if tithing were important PAUL and the apostles would have mentioned tithing in the letters to the churches...with i close about this subject...
u have to understand the gifts u have been given are not yours, but God’s. My money is not 90% mine and 10% God’s – it is 100% God’s. And, He is very interested in what I choose to do with the gifts He has given me. My use of those gifts is the best indicator of my heart. “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also,” (Matt 6:21).
God bless u.
I don't think Sammy Boy went to China. He was back before the closing, if he had been there, he would have most likely picked a love offering after the closing.
it seems like alot of you guys are jeleous of this bigger churches,because they are prospering and your church is not.
Y cant you just be happy that theres churches out there with a vision to get people saved from hell.
many of you worry about the 10%,if you dont agree then dont pay it im sure your church can survive without your $100 a month tithes.
i still say that BALDELIAR ROTTiguez's church is not all that that skotty and and his boyfriend carlos make it out to be.and there is not 200 bodies there,
i ask again cuz no one answered earlier.
does any one know of a good church in the Sn Bdno area?
i Heard from my aunt that valverdes is a good one
AC:
YOUR FROM THE GB getting upset because ur not going to recieve your salary...WHY bcuz more and more people are receiving the revelation about tithing it only talks about belivers offering not tithing and not a set number or percent the spirit of the lord will guide u how much and where u give it...if tithing were important PAUL and the apostles would have mentioned tithing in the letters to the churches...with i close about this subject...
u have to understand the gifts u have been given are not yours, but God’s. My money is not 90% mine and 10% God’s – it is 100% God’s. And, He is very interested in what I choose to do with the gifts He has given me. My use of those gifts is the best indicator of my heart. “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also,” (Matt 6:21).
God bless u.
Im stationed in Camp Pendelton but will be moving to the SB area to a recruting station(maybe i can get a promotion when i recruit all the wannabe chunti cholos in DSAC)and turn them into Marines.
Sorry hank no hope for you,Skotty still has hope cuz hes young but not you hank......no bunk big enough.
called to proclaim
Answer this?
Is it a sin to tithe, and if by tithing I show appreciation for the deliverance Christ has done in my life, where would you give categorize that sin. Everything is the Lords, so apparently the Lord hasn't done very much for you that you would withhold that which he gives you. I love the Lord and I choose like many, to give as a love gift to him. So if you don't tithe nor believe in doing so, please go to another organization where they don't do it and stop being a stumbling block to those who do.
Whereswaldo:
If your in the Marines. First I want to say thanks for your service to our country.
Just one observation:
I've know men that were in the Armed Forces and never have I heard one brag about what they done, while they served.
Know some from Vietnam and Iraq and never have heard one state what you did the other day.
something like this
"I was in Iraq saving your behinds:"
something like that maybe not the right wording was the same but close.
If you are really serving then again thanks and sorry for my obervation
Called To, you're wrong brother I am 100% agaist the gb, those dudes are crooks. I just believe in tithing thats all. You still didn't answer the questions but I guess we agree to disagree.
You have your theological stance and I have mine. And we agree 100% is HIS we just manage 90%.
Now lets get back to the real issue, the crooks in rancho cuca.
called to proclaim
When was Melquisedec under the law that Abraham gave him tithes? Mellquisedec is a type-figure of Jesus Christ.
What crooks?
Don't insult crooks by comparing them to the dgb.
I mean crooks are crooks. They don't use the Bible to steal, if they rob you they use a gun or pistol whip you.
The dgb robs you then makes you feel guilty for not having more to give, and one won't even get in the same car with you, because you didn't give enough.
Crooks isn't the word for that
truth for once
thank you for acknowledgeing those of us that fight for this country,believe it or not we do not get a warm welcome everywhere we go.
i never said i went to iraq but i did say i was overseas,i only said that to defend from some one who made a stupid comment not to brag(due to my M.O.S we ar not allowed to disclose our theaters of operation)
when the call comes in to deploy i go with pride cuz i know its to defend people like you,but what bothers me is that there is still grown men living withtheir parents(HANK & SKOTTY) and causing division in our churches.
I say our churches cus eventhough im not babtized,i always remember my uncle taking me to church when i was a kid,and his wish before he passed away was for me to get saved,but i come back from deployment and find out all this crap is going on.
I wonder if blogs like this are discouraging others that might want to come to the Lord.I dont discouraged becuz My Father has made me strong and the Marines built character in me,plus i read my King James Bible every night.
I wonder who can tell me of a good church in the SB Area?????
One of the most important keys lies in the funding to the corrupt. STOP ALL FUNDING NOW!! They are in a "denial" and "withdrawl" mode spiritually and carnally.
I have to be tough on this one:
As far as the Aguilars are concerned, those guys are nothing but a show for you. I hate to be real hard about it but I had to say it. "It's all about me,what I am wearing, where I am from, how good do I,etc. so on, and on". You don't force the presence of God in someone by telling them if they are not annointed,they are not doing things like they want you to,? Understand everyone? Its kind of disturbing for me personally cause I have seen them do these types of things to youth who were in their right minds and in tune with the spirit.
Food for thought:
When you let a position,title,etc get to your head, it swells up and will soon burst!
whereswaldo
Stop lying, pathetic excuse for a human being
Truthforonce
whereswaldo is a liar, he revealed himself on this blog as Julio Leal
i was speaking to fact only or is it fagsonly
Whereswaldo:
Don't let things that are happening get you down.
Its written in the Bible that in the last days because of sin like greed, lust power hunger, the love of many would wax cold.
Let this not be a stumbbling block but rather a comformation that we're in the last days, and our Lord is cleaning house and gathering his people, getting them ready. With that I end saying that you my friend need baptism, don't look to the right or the left. keep your sight on him.
To Solie de gloria:
I knew it. You are a 'novice" to the AA. 30 years you just arrived...
No wonder...
Thank you Henry..Its true "The more we realize we do not know enough." The "more we need to learn."
Learning is a constant process..
I was told by one of my Professors."Get your degree."
But when you leave, "continue your education "read".
Iam sure you "read". It shows...
We would probably we good friends if we would meet. But it's too far unless you live in California.
If you only knew who Iam you would understand where Iam coming from.
But then you do not understand my writing in this blog. For this I ask for your forgiveness...
Believe me Iam 100% and over in agreement with the word of God.
"We are saved by Grace and not by works".
Thank God for His tender mercies.
Iam still learning...the wonderful Book of life..God's word.
So is your background Baptist?
Thirty years in the AA you have just arrived to understand all there is to know about the AA.
This did not happen in 30 years. It is long time process that has evolved to this.
And it has been said that an organization of approximately 100 years does not dissolve from "outside" but from "WITHIN"
This is an enternal problem that can only be resolved by praying to the Lord. It takes humility and charity, which is love for each other..
Some people would rather see the AA completely "fallen" and "finished", then to try to resolve the issues from within.
In my opinion and what I have seen and experienced for many of several generaations and the roots of these people. Who they are? where did they come from? What are their insecurities.. Enough to "destroy" for "self gain
then I understand the issue of "Tithes."
"More and more" is what they want.
These high salaries are not just from tithes and the "florazul" They are from other sources..bigger than just "tithes and "florazul" projects.
This is why I say my dear Sister..and also ....
Henry, Scotty, Call2Proclaim, Apostolic Analist,Van, unHe2, and Middle of the road, and Paul Not the Apostole...Please demand an audit..
But you will learn as you stay here in our Beloved Apostolic Assembly of the Faith In
Christ Jesus.
Because I know YOu will never leave..You love it too much as I do. And God will prevail.
Thanks to Brother Baldemar, Torres,
Saul Avila whose Father was my dear friend; and to all those "supporter" like you that will we prevail and continue to do God's work..
God Bless you...
"Saved by Grace" Believe me.....
Being here and there:
What steps do you follow to start the process of an audit?
Who do you contact?
What papers do you submit?
Truth for once:
Being here and there:
Lets do this HOW DO WE START...
we might be too late i have a feeling that all these pastors that are getting thrown out has alot to do with the GB getting ready for an AUDIT..
Truth for once:
Being here and there:
Lets do this HOW DO WE START...
we might be too late i have a feeling that all these pastors that are getting thrown out has alot to do with the GB getting ready for an AUDIT..
the truth for once
thank you for your encouraging words
who can tell me of a good church in the San Bernardino area???????????????????????????????
ive tried oceanside wich is the closest to me and a few in sn diego but not feeling it
whent to visit my aunt in colton and she told me about dsac but its wack
she told me about valverdes but i dont know where its at....any body know?!!
i want to give my life to God and fulfill my uncles wishes to get saved apostolic
ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
I JUST GOT A CALL FROM A PASTOR'S WIFE WHO SAID THE AA OFFICES CALLED TO ASK TO BORROW ABOUT $400,000 ON THEIR CHURCH PROPERTY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS WOULD BE A SECOND ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY.
IT WAS ALSO INDICATED THAT BRO. DIAZ OF FLC MUST ALSO DO THE SAME AND THAT FLC WILL HAVE TO PAY THE LOAN BACK AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT TO ALLOW HIM TO PASTOR THIS CHURCH. IT IS TO REMAIN HUSH HUSH TO THE CONGREGATION.
DID ANY OTHER PASTORS GET A CALL FROM THE HEADQUARTERS ASKING ABOUT GETTING SECONDS ON THEIR PROPERTIES?
im the same as whereswaldo ithink ill stick to whereswaldo what do ya'll think?
"Learning is a constant process..
I was told by one of my Professors."Get your degree."
But when you leave, "continue your education "read".
Iam sure you "read". It shows..."
sorry bro, (i assume) but if you "READ" your blog entry it is full of inconsistancies.
*Typos
*Run on sentences
*Incorrect grammar
sorry to burst your bubble college grad (again,i assume)
nite,
-C
maybe ill keep this name or maybe ill just keep both names
good nite,i have a week long leave so im headed to the river, maybe ill stop by to read the apostolic novela.
Antonio said...
ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
I JUST GOT A CALL FROM A PASTOR'S WIFE WHO SAID THE AA OFFICES CALLED TO ASK TO BORROW ABOUT $400,000 ON THEIR CHURCH PROPERTY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS WOULD BE A SECOND ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY.
IT WAS ALSO INDICATED THAT BRO. DIAZ OF FLC MUST ALSO DO THE SAME AND THAT FLC WILL HAVE TO PAY THE LOAN BACK AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT TO ALLOW HIM TO PASTOR THIS CHURCH. IT IS TO REMAIN HUSH HUSH TO THE CONGREGATION.
DID ANY OTHER PASTORS GET A CALL FROM THE HEADQUARTERS ASKING ABOUT GETTING SECONDS ON THEIR PROPERTIES?
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Is this true?
THis is why we should ask our selves is this what the LORD wants us to be a part of..PAying LOANS PAYING LAWSUITS...AND EVEN GIVING MORE THAN 10% as a sybol not to please GOD but to support this EVILNESS........
To Call2Proclaim,Truth For Once:
Contact Henry: He is in Real Estate and he knows Lawyers. I have told the plaintiffs on this but they seem like they do not know what Iam talking about.
Where are the Plaintiff's attorneys?
They are retained for "these purposes".
I am told anyone can do an audit to a Non Profit Corportion.
Contact Sacramento State Attorney or the IRS.
God's blessings to you. Save our beloved Aposotolic Assembly.
Even it it is called"social" So what.
hen we all get to Heaven that is what it will be constant fellowship with the Lord, Angeles,
Archangel and all our loved one.
And all of you, most certainly.
Called2Proclaim
This is exactly what I am talking about. "Been there, seen that."
If this is true:
This must be the church in National City.. What other church is fully paid...
No one believes me...when I said in other blogs that Misael Zaragoza will "sell out the church and congregation" for the GB.
The same goes on for the church of El Siloe here in Los Angeles county. The GB has been "draining" that church dry for years...That is why the Secretary of the District was prespiring so much on the video in Montebello during their confrontation with Brother Zuniga.
What price Abel and Misael have to pay "sell out their congregations for "rubbing shoulders" with the GB.
Why doesn't Sanchez , Maffey, and the rest refi their's.
It just is not fair....
Called2Proclaim
This is exactly what I am talking about. "Been there, seen that."
If this is true:
This must be the church in National City.. What other church is fully paid...
No one believes me...when I said in other blogs that Misael Zaragoza will "sell out the church and congregation" for the GB.
The same goes on for the church of El Siloe here in Los Angeles county. The GB has been "draining" that church dry for years...That is why the Secretary of the District was prespiring so much on the video in Montebello during their confrontation with Brother Zuniga.
What price Abel and Misael have to pay "sell out their congregations for "rubbing shoulders" with the GB.
Why doesn't Sanchez , Maffey, and the rest refi their's.
It just is not fair....
Called2Proclaim
This is exactly what I am talking about. "Been there, seen that."
If this is true:
This must be the church in National City.. What other church is fully paid...
No one believes me...when I said in other blogs that Misael Zaragoza will "sell out the church and congregation" for the GB.
The same goes on for the church of El Siloe here in Los Angeles county. The GB has been "draining" that church dry for years...That is why the Secretary of the District was prespiring so much on the video in Montebello during their confrontation with Brother Zuniga.
What price Abel and Misael have to pay "sell out their congregations for "rubbing shoulders" with the GB.
Why doesn't Sanchez , Maffey, and the rest refi their's.
It just is not fair....
Waldo:
Ever hear of the Nimitz? Its my bunk. Now skoot over sailor, its my beddie bye time. Read me a story. lol
whereswaldo or whoever you are, YOU'RE NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS THAN A SOLDIER!!!
Being here & There
FYI
Saul Avila
avilaccc@texas.net
Baldemar R.
BRodrig238@aol.com
Henry...
I can add to the comment about the Pastor who preached on certain sins until his kids grew up, then he didn't preach on those sins anymore.
I am reminded of years ago when Nava was the Pastor of El Siloe and there were two young men from the church innocently playing catch with a baseball.
Nava had a fit and put them on 'disciplina'. He didn't let them participate in any youth activities, like singing in the choir, going to youth district services, or other church events.
They had to sit with their parents during church services--these guys were in their early twenties. This went on for six months.
Lo and behold, when Nava's grandkids in Union City came along, they had TEAMS, they played against other churches, and guess who was there rooting for them, but Grandpa Nava.
It continues down the generations, some can and its okay, others can't because it's a sin.
Many were thrown out of the church by Nava--it just depended on what he considered a sin or who was committing said sin.
Hector,
sola dei gloria,
HENRY,
concerned,
thinkfirst,
SKOTTY,
TWO VOTE,
ll,
R4J:
TITHER BEWARE!!!Tithers BERWARE!!!!
watch this......
THE ART OF MANIPULATION Vol.1 (Tithing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-CtVI0GsM
whereswaldo,
Stop wasting time online and go do what we pay you do. Or, go drop the soap in the shower and make yourself useful.
My dear brother "Concerned"
I kkknew you would be here to "corrguirme"(edit me)
Thank you. Gracias....Pero es mucho tiempo para correguir..Asi tengo mas tiempo para orar por ti.
Y nuestra Amada Iglesia..
De por si,me estoy tanto tiempo en la computadora. Quiseria que estuvieras cerca para que me ayudaras a conquistar" este aparato" de la computadora>>
Ya con mis anos que tengo mas de 80 anos.
ES un milagro que puedeestas todavia mi memoria para recordar las teclas de la maquina de escribir.
Mis nietas me ayudan a mandar estos recuerdos...Sola no pudiera..
Pero no soy "college man" Gracias.. En muchas materias como
world History, filosophia y otras materias te pudiera ayudar.
Y tu ayudarme en la computadora..Bueno fuera, fueras my editor.
Leer es una cosa...Pero conquistar este aparato de tu generacion es otra cosa..Y estar buscando the right puntuation toma demasiedo tiempo. Hay muchos Pastores que corresponde conmight y me ruegan que siga escribiendo. Pero toma desmaciado tiempo, y debo seguir con mi libro que escribo.
Gracias...
Sorry I "pinched" a nerve...I always do because of the info I have...Been many years...Thanks God. Blessings to you....
Pastoral Letter of July 23, 2008
III. Attempts of conciliation were fruitless.
Why do they use the word “attempts” in plural when it was only once? However, different to them, for seven months we attempted making attempts. They write: “As proof of it, we send a copy of the letter with the date of October 5, 2007 that the Bishop President and the Vice-President sent to the ministers that are now being removed, where they are invited to meet on October 9, 2007,
at 11:00 a.m. at the General Offices.”
In first place, this has never been a problem of communion of the elections of 2006, but a problem of corruption in the elections of 2006.
In second place, pay close attention to the expression that indicates without doubting that they did not have the slightest intention of rectifying in relation to all the errors that they committed at the elections of 2006 and said expression is the following: “What started as a claim, that surely for you justifiable and reasonable, and for us a firm and satisfactory reply.” In other words they were firm in what they did and they were satisfied with what they did.
For example, we do not believe in profound sighs, nor Christian humbleness, nor hearts in our hands, in other words, we discerned that there was no sincerity nor intention of rectifying the claim we have.
It is good that they place dates in that dates become interesting and reveal very important things. Why? Because they convened us on October 9, 2007 and two days after this Bishop President Sánchez, Vice-President Valverde and Secretary General Pacheco they were establishing a new corporation in the state of Texas. On October 11, 2007 without having submitted a proposed-initiative at General Convention and without seeking the pastoral approval according to Article 75 caused forty-six violations to our Constitution.
You pastors judge, were they sincere with the content of their letter? Furthermore, the following month at General Convention they muted all, they maintained it veiled and we pastors were not worthy of being advised then.
Point 3 Letter 3. And have proceeded to install new pastors in those four churches.
We regret that it is so easy for them to not be truthful as our brother Abel V. Torres continues to pastor the same church in Midland, Texas.
New letter AA info WOW
To called to proclaim:
Are you a minister of the Apostolic Assembly? If you are, how long have you been a minister?
Don't lie now, speak the truth.
The real and original factsonly1, not the impostor rev of injustice.
To whereswaldo:
Thanks for your service in the military.
Don't believe the impostor who is using my blog name to insult decent people like yourself.
These revs of injustice are trying to destroy the church of God, but they will not prevail. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.
They already lost the law suit and they will loose the appeal, they lost everything so far. They will keep loosing every battle. If God was on their side they would win but God is on our side and we shall prevail.
waldo Thank GOD the MARINES CREATED A LAME DESK JOB FOR YOU CUZ YOU COULD NOT HACK IT IN THE REAL WORLD.... SAD THING IS SO MANY MARINES IN MY FAMILY... WHEN I TOLD THEM THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE A RECRUITER THEY ALL LAUGHED!
BUT IM GLAD THAT AN ROTC GRADUATE FINALLY DOESNT HAVE TO LEAVE HIGHSCHOOL SINCE YOU WILL BE VISITING THEM QUITE OFTEN HANDING OUT BUMPER STICKERS, PAMPHLETS AND POSTERS, BUT LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THE MARINES... CUZ IM PRETTY SURE TU MAMI HAS UR ROOM WAITING FOR YOU AND NOBODY HAS TOUCHED UR G.I. JOES SINCE YOU LEFT... JUST WATCH OUT WHEN YOU DO VISIT THOSE HIGHSCHOOLS... UNDER 18 GETS YOU 20...FYI.
HAVE FUN AT CAREER DAY!
-skotty
p.s. FUNNY THAT YOU MADE A HOMOSEXUAL REFERENCE TOWARDS ME... OH! BUT I FORGOT... dont ask DONT TELL... YOU'RE USED TO THAT RIGHT?
DONT WORRY THOUGH... there are PLENTY of Flora Azul Boys Anticipating Your Recruiting Skills AT FOT/VALVERDES CHURCH.
SO HAVE FUN!
;)
Because we care
Anybody remember Fiddler on the Roof.
called to proclaim
Go back to your trinitarian church and teachers and stay there.
Don't forget that we will all and stand before the judgement throne of Christ. Apparently your jealousy of the humility of the tithers with a loving heart bothers you.
Who are these teachers on you tube?
Are they Apostolic or trinitarian.
TRUE APOSTOLICS UNITE.
We have enough problems and trials in our churches. We don't need any trinitarian teachers telling us what to believe.
we can find things that benefit and nourish us from just about anyone....
never allow yourself to think the AA, or for that matter the oneness movement have a monopoly on all wisdom and knowledge...
people may disagree on doctrinal points, so be it, but don;t close your mind to the nuggest of wisdom they may teach you...
in fact... if you want to get a good perspective on how and why the AA is in the trouble it is in read the following two books:
Thomas Paine's "Common Sense"
and
Jean-Jacques Rousseau's "The Social COntract"
Both speak on the corrupting power of... well power and authority..
and you can find plenty of wisdom on their views on good governance..
and that is the underlying issue of the problem the AA faces, mismanagment and catastrophic governance, and lack of vision. and even worse, an APATHETIC electorate (YOU).
sadly ennough, it seems the gb only read my other favorite book, Machiavelli's "The Prince".. LOL
Tis Better to be Feared than Loved..... lol
CHAIRMAN_MAO:
watch this video I was surfing the web and I came upon this..
Tell me what you think..sadly in my opinion this is happening in a lot of churches..we are taken advantage..Its called...THE ART OF MANIPULATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-CtVI0GsM
to G-pops! (the non-college grad)
Sorry i insulted your writting its just you came off somewhat arrogant. I humbly step down from the correction.
-C
And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. (Acts 2:42-45)
Notice the biblical flow.
1.continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine
2. sold their possessions and goods
3. divided them among all, as anyone had need
The purpose of Tithing is for distribution. Not for wealth.
Skotty
for your comment on having a real job when I leave the Marines,I don't worry about. I have a degree in structural engineering so I have a few jobs waiting for me
And for your family laughing at me changing to recruting, well if they were ever Marines they were probably some 0311's with crap for brains we use those to do our mule work,I done have a desk job I'm just one those tough smart guys 02200 I'm actually out on the field alot
Hector
SHUT UP!
is that all you can at me with? You sound sound like you've been molested by ur uncle
Hank
I'll tell you the story how you will always be virgin and you use celibacy as an excuse,you are fat and nasty and no woman in her right mind will give you the time of day
called...
You link to volume 1 doesnt work, however I saw volume 2 (i'm sure its more of the same).
Again I'll stand by my first point of view.
If an individual chooses to tithe (Not necessarily in any %), it MUST be of their own free will. And they have the liberty to give it to whichever recipient they believe would be the best stewards of those funds. And many times thatw ould not be the church.
if you read the scripture... IN NO WAY IS THE CHURCH MENTIONED
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink?
38 And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.
Please people, understand that
Giving to God DOES NOT EQUAL or translate to GIVING TO THE CHURCH.
Sola:
Don't tell that to Valverde, you just might cause him to go into diabetic coma.
SOLA.....:
AMEN..ITS NOT a STORE HOUSE like the old testament.
did you see the video i posted?
what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-CtVI0GsM
we are to give to our lesser bretheren as in man, not necessarily the "brothers" either,
hence the story of the good samaritan. One was a jew the other a samaritan, if it had to be to the church, would it nor have read a jew to jew?
simply put, if your Church (and or the AA), is not feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless (and don;t get all spiritual and say the spiritually naked hungry and thirsty...lol) then I recommend you never give them another cent until they do.
Well, looks like the marine is back. Does your supior officer of nco know you are wasting tax payers money logging on? lol
I never knew a marine who was sooo scared to reveal himself. Whats your name marine? Too scared to reveal yourself? lol
I know for sure there are no cowards in the US Marine Corps.
How is it you have a degree in structural engineering and are not an officer?
That would seem to be a waste of talent to have a degreed marine in the recruiting office down the street from K-Mart in San Berdu.
Keep digging yourself deeper.
One mo thang. You were out in the field, but got permission from your nco to go back to your computer to log on some smack?
One last thang marine. Just because you aren't attracted to me, doen't mean there aren't a few honies that aren't. I know I'm not the Sailer type. Sorry I dissappointed you. I'll take up jogging and just maybe someday you'll find me attractive. lol
Yes, Waldoboy is definately NAVY!
lol
fyi hank I'm on leave and my personal time,I have enough integrity not to waste taxpayers money,but none of you work so don't worry bout it
What's a supior of nco? Fat and illiterate ...... Not a good mix
I guess I hit a nerve with that celibacy thing huh?
Don't worry I'll say hi when I see you again
HENRY:
did you see the video i posted?
what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-CtVI0GsM
how do you know I'm not an officer? I never stated my rank
What's nco?
oh whats wrong WALDO?
whereswaldo said...
Skotty
for your comment on having a real job when I leave the Marines,I don't worry about. I have a degree in structural engineering so I have a few jobs waiting for me
And for your family laughing at me changing to recruting, well if they were ever Marines they were probably some 0311's with crap for brains we use those to do our mule work,I done have a desk job I'm just one those tough smart guys 02200 I'm actually out on the field alot
Hector
SHUT UP!
is that all you can at me with? You sound sound like you've been molested by ur uncle
Hank
I'll tell you the story how you will always be virgin and you use celibacy as an excuse,you are fat and nasty and no woman in her right mind will give you the time of day
wHY ARE YOU ON THE attack NOW?
YEAH SO....
with the economy the way it is...
i doubt anyone would have a job to build n e thing right now...
And for your family laughing at me changing to recruting, well if they were ever Marines they were probably some 0311's with crap for brains we use those to do our mule work,I done have a desk job I'm just one those tough smart guys 02200 I'm actually out on the field alot
LOLOLOOLOLOLOL -THIS IS ME LAUGHING AT YOU!!!
yeah so ... as for family members' positions...
you probably would be shocked...
"they were probably some 0311's with crap for brains we use those to do our mule work,I done have a desk job"
HAHAHAHAHA-STILL LAUGHING AT YOU!!!
YOU SOUND LIKE A RED NECK... I DONE HAVE A DESK JOB!!
LOL
WELL I DONE HAVE A GOOD TIME LAUGHING AT YOU!!!
HAHAHA
"I'm just one those tough smart guys 02200 I'm actually out on the field alot"
OK
THAT'S LIKE SAYING jumboSHRIP... YOU CONTRADICT YOUR STATEMENT...
I HAVE A DESK JOB, IM TOUGH AND SMART, I GO TO THE FIELDS... LOL
SKOTTY
ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!
ESPECIALLY FOR YOU !!!!
*SHRIMP...YOU KNOW ...
NE WAY... back to the point at hand...
HOW BOUT THAT 2006 ELECTION FRAUD!
Called2Proclaim:
Yeah, I saw the video. Sounds like someone familiar to IE.
In fact, sounds like a lot of pentecostal preachers, sadly.
HENRY:
thanks for following up..
let us live in GRACE.
MAGGOT WALDO
WHAT'S AN NCO?
YOU IMBECILE. IF ANYBODY COULD BE A MARINE, IT WOULDN'T BE THE MARINES. PUKES LIKE YOU NEED TO GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA, YOU DAMN LOW LIFE MAGGOT. YOUR A DISGRACE TO THE USMC. YOU LYING S.O.B.
whereswaldo,
You sound very bitter and defensive in your postings. In fact, you do not sound like a Marine at all. You sound like a bitter 25 year old who did not get the job he wanted and instead got stuck as a cook cooking ham n cheese omeletes for his comrades.
My only other guess is, you've been dropping the soap too many times which has made you annoying and obnoxious. I guess you got your nickname from the dudes in the showers, "Hey guys, where's waldo?"
And, you do not know what an NCO is? Ok, you're officially a ROCK.
Henry,
any news on El Paso?
I can top this, I can top this!!!! Years ago in the Pinedale Apostolic Assembly church pastored (then) by Brother Rene Gaxiola, when the women or the young people were up on the the platform cleaning and vacuuming, they would get to the pulpit area, run the vacuum from the side, THEN when they needed to cross over to the other side of the platform believe it or not, they would literally JUMP across the space directly in back of the pulpit to get to the other side. Brother Gaxiola was a wonderful man, went on to be missionary in Spain, his wife was very unusual in that most Apostolic Assembly pastor DISCOURAGE their young people from being baptized when they ask about it (Wait...you're too young,...what if you backslide?")
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Wow.... to the one who's unlcle wants him to be saved apostolic... Sounds like thats the only way to be saved... If that is so, Heaven will have a verry, verry minute part of the population if you ask me...
Oh well...
JOSE!
Im dyin here brah. hahahaa
I've seen similar!
Yeah the whole "wait to get baptized" mentality is COMMON and a result of these men being uneducated in theology and learned of dogmatic practices only. No disrespect to these men of God it was just them being a product of their environment and their leaders.
-C
LOL about the jumping over the back of the pulpit LOL that is hilarious. You know many of the churches have graduated from these theories. Back in the day, you didn't see musicians, singers, etc on the platform. Only pastors and ministers. The pulpit is not a sacred area LOL. This gave me a good laugh for the day LOL Thanks!
I am so glad that we've also graduated from the theories of waiting to be baptized. My husband and I are Children's Pastors in our church and in 3 years 18 juniors have been baptized under our ministry! Our prayer is that they learn who Jesus is and fall in love with him while they are young so that when they are teenagers and young adults that they continue to serve the Lord. If you have an active children's minstry/ youth ministry in your church as well as having God fearing parents that instill the word of God at home in their children, the kids will not backslide. They will make it.
Just my thoughts... =0)
I got one! One of the GB members church would pray for those who had minimum wage jobs... "You are not a God of minimum wage" was part of the prayer. I was horrid because alot of us would feel bad, or less of a person/member. Some did not have any green cards or formal education. And others were not even done with college (if we ever went to college).
They even posted up the amount of Thithe that was given by each member, name and all! & that gave way to anger and jealausy between the members.
I also notice the focus on money, not the condition of your soul. Found raising and the like...
The pastors wife would stay with and raise their children 24-7, while the other mothers (dorcas) were encouraged to do more for the church (found raising etc.) at the expense of their home front. These women, unfortunately were blind and started neglecting their families. I saw many kids fail/rebel/become pregnant. It was very sad. Mainly because Mom was too busy with church stuff. In the end, these youth started to detest the church.
I for one left.... Because I could not stand it. And when I carfully asked ?'s, they were blown off. Thats why I left. I was not born again in the Apostolic denomination. I had come from a previous non-denominational church & I saw the apostolic church as part of the "body of Christ". And thats why it was not as hard for me to leave. Thank God! Me and My family still serve the Lord Faithfully.
God bless.
Oh and about the pulpit thing... Where I'm at now, some members tried to limit access to the leading members only. They were even trying to limit the cleanning people that were "allowed" to clean up there... LOL!!!!! The pastor got wind of it and put a stop to it!!!!!!! Oh yeah! Good times.....
Jose
I remember a pastor's wife telling one of the kids in church , not to sit in the pastor's (altar)chair.(consider santo)
We also had minister in our church did not believe that someone should fast if they were ill. He said God would not receive the sacrifice.
Not to fast when ill?? I can think of other reasons not to fast when Ill but not because of God not honoring sacrifice LOL WOW! That is hilarious!
re: good old times
The doncellas(young ladies) had a good excuse not to fast!
That is true. Growing up in the AA, I did not ever see a woman stand behind the pulpit. The church I was raised at, the piano was not on the platform. A female played the piano. Whenever there was a ladies day or whatever, the speaker did not stand behind the pulpit but in front of it. We were told that only the ministry could be on the platform and pulpit. When I think of that now, I think it's crazy. But when that's all I knew, it was fine and thought that's how it was at other churches.
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That is how it was here too. Even during choir practice if there was a smaller pulpit on the main floor used for bible studies or whatever people would tell us not to stand behind it LOL Anyways! In our church now all of the music and us praise singers/choir,sign teams, etc use the platform.
Becausewecare,Henry,Jose & HalleluAnyhow ( Skotty is 2-young to know)
May the bloggers can help me in remembering some DON'T ...
Dont'play baseball ..."The Roman's played that game! ( I love Gladiator)
Don't cut your hair (I Cor 11:4)
Don't wear a black Veil!...
"that's for the dorcas ONLY
Don't listed to worldly music..
"mira el carnalon"
Don't have your tunica...
"You cannot sing "(they couldn't sing anyways!)
Don't sit with the jovenes...
"your in prueba"
Dont' forget the Himnario...
"If I did, I would pray that I would remember all the 9 ESTROFAS"
Believe it or not my district has a pastor's that STILL uses the Himnario!!
Do you guy's remember any of these?
Alot of this comes from our cultural roots in Catholocism, etc (the veil, tithes, sancitity of the pulpit).
All we did was put an AA twist to it, but were no less religous than where we had just comed out of.
I once was reprimanded for wearing a short sleeve shirt to church and another time the pastor saw me sitting with my legs crossed before the service and told that we weren’t in the park,that I should sit properly in the house of the LORD!!
Funny... no worldly music?
A few years back (3 years?) any how... at a "cena matrimonial" @ Ismaels Church in S.Gate one of the main guys there from else where(don't know his name or if he was a minister or pastor) sung a love song that was from the world... and everyone recieved it... It was funny. "Espero que les guste esta linda al.... eh... canto." Oh man... the crowd did not catch that... oh well...
Alot of this comes from our cultural roots in Catholocism, etc (the veil, tithes, sancitity of the pulpit).CHAIRMAN_MAO.
In other words ACN.
Jesse,
I heard that one before but, the response was "We are not in a bar"
Helloisthison
Now, if you don't know who Rick Martin or Beyonce are......
Their response is "What Planet do you live in?
LL...I've heard some of those before. My church is now on what outsiders would say "liberal". Many of us who were youth within the last 15-20 yrs still hold on to the standards we were taught. Alot of the younger generation possibly do not know the why's and why not's. Anyhow as a women who came from the AA and now UPC. I've heard several teachings and preachings on the hair. I made the commitment to God about 6 years ago that I would not cut my hair. I have not! That is my commitment to the Lord. I do believe it's biblical when you dig into the scriptures more. Being UPC for the last 3 years, it's only been within the last 2 that the Pastor has given us permission to get rid of the velos and we are now permitted within the last year to wear wedding rings. Althought in regards to sports, etc. Our church plays sports with each other. We have a softball league every year. Co-Ed Even. In the UPC, when you hear the testimonies of mothers who had power on their heads because of the angels and prayed for a sick or dying child and now doctors don't understand how the miracle came to be...It's amazing how important the obedience of not cutting your hair really is...Just thought I would add my thoughts. Not going to preach or anything LOL
II
funny! back then I wouldn't dare question it..
is it just me or is it somekind of law that the men wear WHITE shirs?
Jesse,
The young men, would wear White Long Sleeve only.(no colors)
Jesse,
I don't know why & I don't think it's biblical.
LL and Jesse, the long sleve white shirts I think is just a tradition. Very conservative one. My husband came from UPC in San Digo. My bro in law is a pastor there and to this day will only wear long sleve shirts and dress shirts are all white LOL. I had to get my husband out of that mentality and explain to him that colors are ok LOL
Halleanyhow
I bet that was an UPHILL Battle.
II
I agree with you!
the worst thing is the pastor being so strict with the congregation and a year later we find out his oldest daughter..how can I say this.. (metio las cuatro)with her high school sweetheart and suddenly he became really understanding that we all make mistakes...that we all deserve a second chance even me for wearing a short sleeve shirt..
LL yes, we still get into it from time to time LOL about colors. He refuses to wear certain colors..."they are girl colors" LOL He says its the same as wearing a dress LOL...At least he's loosened up some now he watches TV..He's a sinner now LOL
does anybody else besides me miss the Himnario de Consolacion
I wish sometimes we could still sing some of the songs that meant so much to many of us....
I watched the Youtube video made about Bro. Baldemar Rodriguez and it saddens me about our situation
if only Hermana Cuca (she was so sweet) would see what her son daniel is doing to the assembly...
Oh yeah... I forgot... No jewelry... Hmmm... sure but your "afan" may have not been jewelry but you sacrificed your families well being and finances to buy that new car you could not afford. Oh yeah the problem is internal, not external. All I saw was external image by the way you "traditionally dressed" with no jewelry and all and at the same time your house is in disorder. You treated your kids like crap but sat there on sunday externally holy. You can try to mask the horrible interior with a good exterior but it wont hold for long. "What is in your hear will come out through your mouth."
"Jewelry is not biblical" was Isamel martin del campos words. But then it was ok to have a Christmas tree (old pagan custom) in the mess hall.
Made no sense to me.
Hey I got no problem... but don't trip and have double standards...
To: Hallelujah Anyhow
what did you expect with your hubby, you married an apostolic man de Hueso Colorado!!!
Jesse...Translate please LOL. I'm a white girl and don't understand all spanish/spanglish =)
LOL How about that "Wedding Watch".
Only in the Asamblea. Guys wont hesitate to buy $5000 Rims, but bust out with Bible Verse for reasons not to buy a $1,500 wedding band.
LOL wedding watch LOL a few years ago for my birthday I was hinting to my husband I wanted a wedding ring LOL He hinted that I was getting something with gold and diamonds LOL I was thrilled. When I opened the box...It was a stinken watch LOL!!!
Henry,
How about a watch-ring? It's a watch that just happens to sit on your finger rather than your wrist.
Oh the humanity! The Assembly has indeed come up with the most ridiculous rules. And people have to do the most ridiculous things to get around them.
Yeah... we were allowed to wear watches... but when my wife started wearing a really nice gold watch, they did not know what to say... Because it looked like a bracelete. One of the leaders asked "Whats this?!" like if demanding an explenation... Wife simply said "a watch". But was really thinking IN YOUR FACE! I know I know... she's human and enjoyed it... He was angry and didn not know what to say.
HAHA that's a good one! wow i'm glad to be out of the days of legalism. I do think preaching standards from the pulpit definately has its place because it's not preached enough and sadly enough parents stop teaching their kids at home. You have to not just tell them what to do and how to do it but why we do what we do. If you tell them don't wear that or don't do that follow up with reasons why and scripture to back it.
Hector... and that was the problem... our hearts did not want to listen.. and insted on working on our hearts/soul/eternity, the put rules and boundaries that only help the image and not the heart. And in the end, we rebel and it get ugly fast.... Verry sad... reminds me of a "Yes sir, whatever you say sir" minister that was sent to the church. And his daughter ran off w some kid...... I saw it comming but was amazed that no one did anything.. not even the dad... forgive me but I think I would have been arested if I was in his shoes and some punk kid tried to mess w/my daughter and my daughter would not have been able to sit straight for a week afte I would have been done with her.
now that is old school! A tradition that works & you can take that to the bank!
Yep, this is indeed the problem with the Assembly. Reminds me of the Jones' who want to be looked upon as the epitome of perfection among all the neighbors. They walk with their head high and exhibit strength and power. Yet, they're in secret financial ruin and in secret marital crisis.
The insatiable hunger to look significant and pious will drive you to hide every hint of weakness. But sooner or later, the sickness can no longer be contained and will expose the fact you were a mere human in desperate need of grace the entire time.
Yep, this is indeed the problem with the Assembly. Reminds me of the Jones' who want to be looked upon as the epitome of perfection among all the neighbors. They walk with their head high and exhibit strength and power. Yet, they're in secret financial ruin and in secret marital crisis.
The insatiable hunger to look significant and pious will drive you to hide every hint of weakness. But sooner or later, the sickness can no longer be contained and will expose the fact you were a mere human in desperate need of grace the entire time.
CRAP! sorry for the double post guys.
May I add..
"making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
Mark 7:13
speaking of "MONEY", does anyone know the net worth of the plaintiffs:
Pastor Baldemar Rodriguez
Pastor Daniel Salomon
Pastor Abel Torres
Pastor Saul Avila
vs.
GB?????????
gQ1073
Didn't you see last night's blog ..
They(gb) are trying to borrow money from churches that equity in them.
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