So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?
Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.
Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.
You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.
I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".
Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.
You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.
Back to the Revolutionaries...
If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.
I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.
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Alsi... in no way was I attempting in any way to defend Sanchez... rather our President elect.
Yes I agree in theory with your characterization of how Sanchez is governing the AA, I was disagreeing that our next President would do the same with our country....
No, not a Pastor, I have a university education, have traveled to every continent, and much too progressive to ever be given credentials int he AA... lol
Oh my, ese mundano can't become someone with any influence in our organization, how would he corrupt our youth, to think with an open mind and forthemselves... hide the women and children run!!! lol
this question is not related to the elections of 2006 in Long Beach, but why is it that churches always use the fear factor to try and persuade us to vote republican instead of democratic
Exwork
I know we know each other, I believe you are my lover from Arizona. You need to be delivered from homosexuality as I do. Exwork you need to quit acting like you are Apostolic, because you were you should have gotten upset at me calling everyone dumbass. The truth is I crossed the line by calling anyone a dumbass. So why have you not corrected me in the pass? The reason is that you have the same bitter homosexual spirit as me. Own up to it my love and seek deliverance together.
Trophyman:
I am sad that I have HIV, but I beg you to go get yourself checked because I may have infected you.
MONEY AND THE BELIEVER
we have had hundreds of thousands of visitors seeking information on this topic. Many have written me personally thanking me for freeing them from this illegal and abusive practice of the Church. I have also received emails from some who are sure that tithing is a bonafide legal obligation for members of the New Testament Christian Church.
Objections to my paper range from simply quoting the prophet Malachi sent to the priests and nation of Israel: "Wherein have we robbed Thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse…." While others who can find absolutely no Scriptural authority for Christians to tithe, invent clever little doctrines like this:
"Tithing was a form of worship to God, and since we still worship God, we must still tithe."
I will answer this one in one sentence: Since burnt offerings were a form of worshiping God, and since we still worship God, must we still offer burnt offerings to God? ... Ridiculous.
There is not one example of anyone tithing MONEY to anyone in the entirety of the Bible! The only reference to "money" with regards to tithing has absolutely nothing to do with paying tithes ON money. It is found in Deut. 14:24-26, which we shall now read in it’s entirety:
"And if the way be too long for thee [to the place where God placed His name to be worshipped, especially during the fall feast harvest of tabernacles] so that you are not able to carry it [the tithe of their farm produce] or if the place be too far from you, which the Lord your God shall choose to set His name there, when the Lord your God has blessed you: Then shall you turn it [the tithe of their farm produce] into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and shall go unto the place which the Lord your God shall choose: And you shall bestow that money [to the preachers? to the church? NO…] …for whatsoever thy soul lusts after [Heb: ‘for whatsoever your heart desires’], for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever your soul desires: and you shall eat there before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice, you, and your household."
Farm products could be sold and turned into money when long travel was necessary. But at the destination where God placed His name, the money was spent on food for the Levite, stranger, fatherless, poor, etc. It was not presented to the Levites as a monetary gift.
Here is an easy to understand Scripture explaining what the purpose of the tithe was:
"And the Levite, (because he has no part nor inheritance with you), and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within your gates, shall come, and shall EAT [food from the land] and be satisfied; that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do" (Deut. 14:29).
The Church would prefer you not know the following:
The tradesmen who made the baskets for harvesting, did not tithe.
The cobblers, who made the shoes for the servants of the field, did not tithe.
The carpenters, who made the wagons used for harvesting the fields, did not tithe.
The potters, who made the jugs for carrying water to the servants in the fields, did not tithe.
The women, who made the garments for the field-workers, did not tithe.
And certainly, the servants who worked in the fields for wages, did not tithe.
Here are the simple facts regarding the Biblical teaching of tithing:
ONLY LANDOWNERS TITHED
ONLY PRODUCTS OF THE LAND WERE TITHED
ONLY LEVITES COULD RECEIVE THE TITHES
TITHING WAS A LAW OF MOSES
CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES!
Does anyone have a Scripture that contradicts what I have just said?
By the way, Jesus Christ was a carpenter by trade, and as such, JESUS DID NOT TITHE!
JESUS CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW, NOT TO RELIVE THE LAW
Christians believe that Jesus came to FULFILL the Law of Moses by RELIVING the law of Moses in His own personal life. He assuredly did not. This is an entire study of itself, however, I want to prove to you from the Scriptures that Jesus did not concern Himself with Tithes and Taxes, and restrictions of the Law of Moses.
THE TEMPLE TAX
Not only did Jesus not tithe, because He was a carpenter and carpenters were not obligated to tithe, but neither did He pay the Temple tax, which was commanded by the Law of Moses for all men in Israel to pay annually. Of the 613 laws of Moses, this is Law # 404:
"This they shall give, every one that passes among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs): an half shekel shall be the offering of the Lord.
Every one that passes among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the Lord.
The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the Lord, to make an atonement for your souls.
And you shall take the atonement money of the children of Israel and shall appoint it for the service of the tabernacle [in Jesus’ time, to the Temple] of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the Lord, to make an atonement for your souls" (Exodus 30:13-16).
Jesus Christ did not pay this yearly tax to the Temple, for the same reason that Jesus did not keep the Sabbath day commandment. Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, (Matt. 12:8). And likewise, Jesus is not only Lord of the Temple, Jesus is the Temple,
(John 2:19). And, furthermore, Jesus was the Lord to Whom Israel gave the half shekel as an offering. Jesus does not need an atonement for His soul; Jesus Christ is the Atonement, (Rom. 5:9-11).
Notice this remarkable story of the only time the temple tax came up in the ministry of Jesus. Most Christians will never hear an explanation of these verses as long as they live! These verses are highly incriminating to those who teach the tithing of money to the Church:
"And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Does not your master pay tribute [Greek: ‘pay the double drachma’ which was the exact amount of the annual Temple tax]?
He says, Yes [Peter was embarrassed and apparently not honest with his answer]. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him [Greek: ‘prophthano,’—‘to get an earlier start of,’ ‘forestalls’ or ‘anticipated him’], saying, What do you think, Simon? Of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute [taxes]? Of their own children [sons] or of strangers?
Peter said unto Him, of strangers. Jesus said unto him, THEN ARE THE CHILDREN FREE.
Notwithstanding, LEST WE SHOULD OFFEND THEM, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first comes up; and when you have opened his mouth, thou shall find a piece of money [Gk: ‘statar’ –the exact temple tax for two]: that take and give unto them for Me and thee" (Matt. 17:24-27).
What an amazing story! What a telling teaching truth from Scriptures we have here! No wonder most Christians have never heard this Scripture explained in Church.
The reason Peter said "yes" to the tribute collector is because it was embarrassing to Him to say, "NO, my master does NOT pay temple tax." It was such a small amount of money (less than a dollar). But now Peter has to go into the house give Jesus an appraisal of what just happened. Jesus being merciful to Peter does not reprimand him for not being honest with the tribute collector, but rather, cuts him off [forestalls him] before he can speak and saves Peter the embarrassment.
The point is this: Jesus did not pay temple tax because Jesus is the King of the kingdom. And if the children are free, certainly the King Himself is free.
Might I add that, neither did Jesus stone or condone others to stone, the woman caught in the very act of adultery even thought the Law of Moses demanded it:
"And the man that commits adultery with another man’s wife, even he that commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer AND THE ADULTERESS SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH" (Lev. 20:10).
Now then, did Jesus come to "fulfill" this Law of Moses by living, teaching and carrying out that law? He surely did not. He rather said, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (John 8:7). If we are to believe that "fulfilling the law" of Moses can only be accomplished by living, teaching and enforcing the law of Moses, then something is wrong with that theory because Jesus obviously did NOT carry out many commands of the law of Moses in His own life!
The theologians have debased the New Covenant as being nothing more than the Old Covenant, with a few added twists. Jesus "fulfilled the law" not by adding a few spiritual twists to it, but by keeping a MUCH HIGHER SPIRITUAL LAW that actually contradicted much of the letter of Moses’ Law.
One doesn’t need a physical law of the letter chiseled in stone, to "keep the sabbath" when he has entered into "God’s SPIRITUAL REST" in his heart.
One doesn’t need a physical law of the letter to "swear by His name" when in his heart his desire is to "swear NOT at all."
One doesn’t need a physical law chiseled in stone telling him "thou shalt not commit adultery" when in his heart he no longer "even looks on a woman to lust after her."
One doesn’t need a physical law telling him to "HATE his enemies" when now in his very heart, he "LOVES his enemies."
For you newcomers to the world of theology, LOVE is lot different than just putting a spiritual twist on HATE. Not swearing at all is more than putting a spiritual twist on the commandment TO SWEAR. Am I going too fast for anyone?
And neither did Jesus take the commandment to "bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse" and spiritually twist it into "bring ye all the money into the pastor’s bank account."
And so what is it that Jesus is teaching us with regards to money? Simple, neither the king nor his children pay tax—any tax (including even Temple tax)! "…then are the children FREE." Need I remind anyone that we are the children of God’s kingdom? And neither our King, nor we, pay taxes or tithes to our own kingdom.
"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He [Jesus] IS, SO ARE WE in this world" (I John 1:17).
And so the reason… the only reason, that Jesus paid this tax was, "…lest we should offend them." Not because it was a LAW OF MOSES and Jesus had to keep the law of Moses, but only because, "…lest we should offend them."
Furthermore, where did Jesus get the money (the very small amount of money) to pay this temple tax so as to not offend them? From His own pocket? From the treasury held by Judas? From Peter’s house? No. He had God provide for it in a fish from the sea. Jesus did not even deign to pay this tax from His own money. And say, did you notice that Jesus paid for Himself and Peter only? He did not even pay for the other eleven.
Do you suppose we are sinning if we follow His steps by not tithing? Should we follow His steps, or commandments of the clergymen?
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that we should follow His steps" (I Pet. 2:21).
GIVING IS VOLUNTARY
The New Testament teachings on giving are unpretentiously simplistic involving the heart and not some law:
"…freely ye have received, freely give" (Matt. 10:8b).
"Give to him that asks you, and from him that would borrow of you turn not thou away" (Matt. 5:42).
"The churches in Macedonia and Achaia, you see, have thought it a good thing to make a contribution towards the poor Christians in Jerusalem. They have decided to do this, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the gentiles have had a share in the Jews’ spiritual good things it is only fair that they should look after the Jews as far as the good things of this world are concerned" (Rom. 15:26-27, J. B. Phillips Translation).
"Give and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over…" (Luke 6:38).
"I have showed you all things, how that so laboring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how He said, It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35).
"But this I say, He which sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which sows bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity [Gk: ‘compulsion’ as in a commanded law]: for God loves a cheerful giver" (II Cor. 9:6-7).
Follow these admonitions on giving and you will be blessed of God.
There is one more very important Scripture that should go in this group and that is I Tim. 5:8,
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own household, he has denied the faith, and worse than an infidel."
Now I have emails and letters from elderly and disabled people who were told by their pastor that they are expected to tithe on their meager income regardless as to whether there is sufficient left over to care for the family. This is disgraceful beyond comprehension. And this is one of the main reasons that I write the material that I do for our bible-truths web site.
Numerous times I have heard ministers intimidating TBN viewers to contribute money that they did not have. Even if they owed more money to creditors in monthly payments than their salaries could possibly pay, they were still asked to make huge donations to TBN. Some contend that the more money one needs to meet his already staggering obligations, the more money he needs to send in. They are even told to pledge huge amounts (TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS was the asking pledge when last I saw this reprehensible carnival sideshow chicanery) of money that they did not have, and then to send in ten percent of the pledge and pay the rest off in installments. Have they no shame?
"HOW ARE WE TO PAY THE CHURCH BILLS
IF THE PEOPLE DON’T TITHE?"
I get asked that question regularly. I tell them all the same thing: "Pay your church bills the same way I pay my living expenses—with a check." Here’s the thing: You don’t need to lie and deceive and pervert the word of God in order to pay church expenses.
Why doesn’t your pastor just ask the people to contribute toward paying the church expenses? I can tell you why. A few do, but most don’t. And why is that? It is because those who teach false doctrines to exact money illegally from their congregation don’t have faith to trust their people to contribute voluntarily out of love. They only know how to teach the Old Testament laws, which are carnal, and therefore don’t know how to teach the New Testaments laws, which are SPIRITUAL.
Most pastors see two options:
Teach that people will be cursed if they don’t tithe ten percent of their annual salaries,
Trust God in faith to provide the money from voluntary gifts given from the heart.
If, in reality, trusting would bring in more money than pronouncing curses, no one would ever hear a sermon on tithing again, anywhere on earth. And if anyone suggested to any of these same pastors that tithing is an Old Testament law that Christians must keep or be cursed, those same pastors would ridicule you to scorn for ever suggesting such an obvious unscriptural doctrine that is not binding on New Testament Christians.
They will do whatever brings in the most money. And it is a proven fact, unscriptural threats of curses for no tithing, and blessings for tithing brings in more money than trusting the people, in faith, to supply the needs of the Church.
It is our hope and intention here at bible-truths to free as many as possible from the unscriptural hypnotic tactics of these TV auctioneers who peddle the Word of God like so much merchandise for sordid gain. But what about those small congregations that don’t even want huge cathedrals and the pastor doesn’t want to be rich or drive a $80,000 Mercedes. All they want is to preach the gospel and care for a local congregation and all that that involves. Surely it is not wrong for them to teach their congregation to tithe their salaries to the church, is it? Of course that is wrong. That’s like saying, I don’t want to rob a bank: I just want to take a few small things from the super market without paying for them! IT’S THE SAME CRIME, with the only difference being the amount stolen.
GIVING VERSUS TITHING
Do any of these Scripture references quoted above regarding voluntary giving, have anything to do with "tithing?" Absolutely not. Notice what the definition of Christian tithing is:
"tithe (tith) n. 1a. A tenth part of one’s annual income contributed voluntarily or due as a tax, esp. for the support of the clergy or church." (The American Heritage College Dictionary, p. 1444).
Tithing was commanded by the LAW.
Giving is voluntary from the HEART.
THE APOSTLE PAUL VERSUS CHRISTIAN TITHING
The Apostle Paul never tithed, never taught Gentiles to tithe, never collected tithes, and never accepted tithes. Can anyone imagine what Paul would have said had someone come up to him and offered him $100 saying: "Here Paul, here is my payment according to the tithing law with regards to my thousand-dollar paycheck." I don’t know what his exact words would be, but I have studied the writings of Paul, and I can tell you what he would have said in principle:
"Sir, MONEY is not a tithable commodity. Furthermore, tithes can be paid to the Levitic priests only, and I am not a Levite, I am from the Tribe of Benjamin. Furthermore, as a believer in Jesus Christ, you are also freed from the law of Moses. Jesus Christ has taught us that, ‘FREELY you have received, FREELY give." One cannot give ‘freely’ that which is demanded by law. I am sorry, but I cannot accept money that is given out of obligation to a law. Jesus has freed us from carnal ordinances, and whom Jesus has freed, ‘is FREE indeed.’"
Now then, give that same $100 to any number of priests of Christendom, and one might receive this retort: "Well, if this $100 is your tithe, where is your offering? Don’t you know that the tithe is commanded and demanded by law? You have only given me what is commanded by law of you to give. You have not really giving me anything until you give me money in excess of your tithes"
Well, what more can I say about that?
CHRIST’S ONLY TWO EXAMPLES OF TITHERS
Paul was inspired by God's Holy Spirit to declare that "God loves a cheerful giver" (II Cor.9:7). Why was not Paul inspired by God’s Holy Spirit to declare that, "God loves a cheerful tithe-payer?" In fact, why does not Paul mention the words tithe, tithes, or tithing in any of His thirteen epistles—not once? (Paul did not write the book of Hebrews, II Thes. 3:17). Why does not Peter, James, John, or Jude mention tithing in any of their epistles? Why didn’t the early Christian Fathers mention tithing as a doctrine of the New Testament Church? Therefore, why are innumerable thousands of evangelists, theologians, teachers, preachers, and clergymen teaching the world that if they don’t tithe ten percent of their salaries, that God will curse them with a curse?
The only two times in the New Testament that Jesus mentions tithing is in condemnation of the Pharisees. At the time of Jesus’ ministry there was a temple and there was a Levitic Priesthood, hence tithing was still in effect for the Jews. Hear now the only words ever recorded of Jesus mentioning tithes:
"But WOE [deep distress, misery, grief, misfortune, calamity, sorrow, dismay] unto you Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs [some had farms; some had gardens], and pass over JUDGMENT and the LOVE OF GOD: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone" (Luke 11:42).
And just what kind of a blessing did Jesus pronounce on these Pharisees for their "tithe of the mint and herbs"? No blessing, just a startling "WOE"!
"And the Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God… I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess" (Luke 18:12).
And just what kind of a blessing did Jesus pronounced on this Pharisee for his "tithe"?
No blessing, no justification, just a promise that people like him will be "abased" (Ver. 14).
What does being an utter hypocrite and passing over "Judgment and the Love of God" have to do with "tithing?" That’s the whole point. These gross sins have virtually nothing to do with tithing!
Tithing to Jesus was so absolutely insignificant to the gross sins of failing to properly Judge the widows and orphans and fatherless and poor, and to not show any Love of God toward them. Tithing was the smallest most inconsequential thing Christ could think of to show the utter hypocrisy of this Pharisees. They were very meticulous about tithing (a law of virtually no spiritual consequence what so ever), and yet… and YET they would do the tithe thing and neglect judgment, love and mercy.
Now please don’t all write me at once telling me that I have missed the whole point of these two sets of Scripture by not realizing that it was their very gross sins that will bring "woes’ and "abasements" on them, and not that they are being condemned for what they did do correctly, namely "tithe." That is quite true. However, it appears that most have missed the very reason why Jesus gives two examples of two Phariees, who were gross sinners deserving the worst possible chastisements, and then says that they were both tithe-payers.
Christ’s attention to the fact that they were both meticulous tithe-payers, proved the hypocrisy of these two Pharisees. They would pay strict attention to very miner details of a law, and yet totally abandon a very reason and purpose for the whole existence of the law—LOVE, MERCY, JUDGMENT.
The Law of Moses regarding tithing produce from the land was still in effect during Christ’s ministry, and therefore, all of the nation of Israel who had land were to tithe from their land and give it to the Priests and Levites, strangers, fatherless, widows, poor, and even consume some of it themselves at God’s annual festivals. However, this system with its laws and temple were all part of the original church of God in the wilderness. Jesus, however, did not tithe. Likewise, His apostles, did not tithe. Furthermore, neither Jesus, nor His Apostles, nor Paul, ever taught new Christian converts to the newly established Church of Christ, to tithe to this new church!
Here then is the bottom line: Neither, Jesus nor His apostles tithed themselves or taught tithing to others. And within a generation God pronounced to the entire world by the total destruction of both the nation of Judah, and their city of Jerusalem with its temple, that the church established in the wilderness, was now superseded by the Church of Christ. The nation of Israel was gone, the temple was gone, the priests were gone, the Levites were gone, and concerning the very Law of Moses containing the law of tithing, we read this:
"In that he says, A NEW covenant, He has made the first OLD. Now that which DECAYS and waxes OLD is ready to VANISH AWAY" (Heb. 8:13).
But the Church today doesn’t want the New Covenant to replace the Old. They want to put the New Wine (of the New Covenant), in the Old Bottles (of the Old Covenant). And they want to put the New Cloth (of the New Covenant), on the Old Cloth (of the Old Covenant). And what did Jesus tell us would be the result of such an unharmonious and unequal yoking?
"And no man puts new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled and the bottles shall perish."
However, in two thousand years, the church is still trying put the Old and the New together as One, and the results are always disastrous.
Just why is it that they like the Old covenant better than the New? Here’s the answer from the lips of our Master Himself: "No man also having drunk old wine [lived by the Old Covenant] straightway desires new [the spiritual New Covenant]: for he says, The old is better" (Luke 5:39).
But not only is the Church blinded by the new wine, they are also intoxicated from the old wine to the point that they have no idea what it’s purpose was in the first place. Jesus said, "You blind guides, which STRAIN OUT A GNAT [are attentive to TINY insignificant things like paying tithes on mint and pepper pods], and SWALLOW A CAMEL [totally neglect the weightier matters of the law which are of HUGE consequence, like judgment, faith, mercy, and the love of God]" (Matt. 23:24).
How many millions of sermons are geared toward "straining out gnats" on Sunday morning, so that the Pastors can "swallow camels" all week long?
HOW THE APOSTLE PAUL FINANCED HIS INTERNATIONAL MINISTRY
Worldliness in the Church today is not looked upon as shameful, but rather as being chic. Power, wealth, and notoriety are not things to be repented of, but are rather to be lusted after and pursued with great vigor. Young aspiring ministers are not thought to be vain or ambitious when seeking worldliness, but are rather thought of as being enthusiastic for the work of the Lord. Let’s see how Paul did things.
"For yourselves know how you ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you: Neither did we eat any man’s bread for naught; but wrought with labor and travail NIGHT AND DAY, that we might not be chargeable to any man. Not because we have not power, but to MAKE OURSELVES AN EXAMPLE UNTO YOU TO FOLLOW US" (II Thes. 3:7-9).
But how many truly follow Paul’s example? You be the judge.
"For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for LABOURING NIGHT AND DAY, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the Gospel of God" (I Thes. 2:9).
Imagine that: Paul could not only walk and chew gum at the same time, but he could work "night and day" and "preach the Gospel of God" at the same time! Just maybe there is a lesson in there somewhere. Paul travels to Corinth:
"And because he was of the same craft [trade], he abode with them, and wrought [worked]: for by their occupation they were tentmakers" (Acts 18:3).
"I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. Yea, ye [all of you] yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. I have showed you all things how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how He said, It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:33-31).
Don’t kid yourself, there’s a whole army of men of the cloth out there coveting your gold and your silver. Many television ministries are little more than highly sophisticated Hollywood-produced, tithe-collecting infomercials. They make me ill watching them.
One final example of how Paul ministered and financed his ministry:
"For I think that God has set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honorable, but we are despised.
Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
And labor, working with our own hands; being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Therefore I beseech you, BE YE FOLLOWERS OF ME" (I Cor. 4:9-16)!
Cheerfully giving from the heart is a virtue. However, fraudulently fleecing the flock by exacting ten percent of parishioner's paychecks under fear of breaking an Old Testament law of tithing is a sin!
It is far past time that we offer a little comfort to the millions of people in our nation and around the world who are chafing under the constant burden of supporting ministers and televangelists who live lifestyles so materialistic and worldly that even Hugh Heffner would be envious. I’m not trying to be humorous about these characters; I’m dead serious.
Well I certainly don’t begrudge any minister an honest living. However, I do believe that when many of these modern televangelists (and others) feel the need to have everything they own gold gilded, just maybe their greed and vanity starts to destroy their effectiveness as dispensers of God’s Truths.
There is no need for people to feel guilty over any religious doctrine. It is time we rid ourselves of guilty consciences. Hopefully, by the time you have finished reading this paper your guilt over tithing or non-tithing will be gone forever!
It is our sincere desire that all who have been chafing under the unscriptural burden of Christian tithing will feel free at last to follow their heart in giving to whomever they desire as God prospers them. John 8:32 tells us that Truth is Freedom:
"And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you FREE."
to all bloggers
Please pay no attention to me. I am just an idiot, I think I am so intelligent because I am supervisor for a local restaurant but the truth is I have been a low paid blue collar worker for a long time. Sometimes, while working line I come up with a thought and think it is a good one, but after I post I realize how uneducated I am. From this point forward please disregard anything I have to say about anyone. I come from family of buffoons. The truth is I am a generational buffoon.
Trophyman:
DUMBASS!!!!
Does anybody have any information a summit this weekend in Texas. Any info would be grteatly appreciated.
God bless!
Facilitated by Alliance Staff: Pastors Daniel Salomón, Baldemar Rodríguez,
Abel V. Torres, Rafael David Zúñiga, Arthur L. Tafoya, Saúl L. Ávila and
Counselor Salvador V. Mendoza
The church building is:
“Words of Life Worship Center”
Pastor Albert R. Levine, Jr.
6603 Five Palms Drive
San Antonio, Texas 78242
210/670-2256
The hotel property is:
Sleep Inn & Suites- Sea World
143 Richland Hills Drive
San Antonio, Texas 78245
210/670-2500
$76.99+tax per room per night
Special rate good through Monday November 10, 2008
Please mention “Apostolic Regional Summit”
(Up to 4 people per room)
The purpose of this apostolic summit is what? Just an excuse to make money?
I'll proudy be attending our celebration in gaylord and end time conference.
I keep my money apostolic where we are God centered. We dont take part in devilish encounters where the ministers wear white robes and use psychology and mind control.
Thanks for the info accion, God Bless.
Factsonly1, what do you think the convention is for? The Gold, silver, and bronze medals? To make money!!! My God you are so blind it's pathetic!
I keep ALL my money invested in the FLOR AZULES of the AA. That way it ALWAYS comes back to me. COMEBCK TO ME Timmo ;-{
All you guys that are involving other people on what you do in your private life. Please do us the favor and take it on somewhere else. This is not an X-Rated blog. Check out other websites that might suit your needs. You have some serious problems. Evidently, God isn't able to do it and that's because you don't let him.
Factsonly:
The truth is I know that you are not a flor azuler like me, trophyman and exwork. Since trophyman has an insight to Rancho Cucamonga, I realize that our gay movement has penetrated the General offices. Notice how I used the word penetrated, it reminds me of what I did to trophyman.
Remembering:
Sorry you are confused aout the type of blog this is, but anonymity allows anyone to make this blog whatever they want. Another dumbass I have to identify.
old cbg STOP IT!!!
The truth is WE know that you ARE te president of the flor azules. Please stop this insanity and and tell everone about our relationship. I LOVE YOU!
I realize that our gay movement has penetrated the General offices. Now is your turn old cbg, come!
Hey blogmaster can't you block this type of offensive posts?
ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
Because the AA supported Prop. 8, the flor azul group will be protesting the AA convention, and certain bishops church. Here's a list of churches they are going to target.
Bellflower
Zion
CT
Whittier Bishop Sanchez Church
Fountain of Truth
Faith Tabernacle Church
El Siloe
Union City
Bakersfield
Lighthouse
"caminando voy"
The question addressed to Rod Garcia Jr. was very sincere and personal. Please allow him to answer for himself (which he hasn't yet).
You wrote: I greatly commend Bro. Rod Garcia for standing up for what is right. Someone criticized because he did this publicly. How else are the people going to be heard? How else will change be effected if no one speaks up?
First of all,
Rod Garcia had alot to do with what is going on in the AA.
During his administration, he had an insight to the GB but failed to stand-up as you stated.
Secondly, he is guilty by association. If he wanted to, he could have been a "whistle-blower but was afraid of retaliation, like everyone else.
Thirdly, he has no influence at this point, much less followers! That's why I ask... "What's your purpose for going public?
When something should have been said and done, it wasn't done. Sorry, too late! What part of OBAMA do you not understand? "BAM" or "OBAMANOS?"
I think I did pretty good for being a new "amerika citisen" from across the Rio Grande and I'm still wet behind the ears!
ISB
old cbg:
You put your own foot in your BIG mouth! Like they say: It takes one DA to know a DA!
Truth hurts alot, especially when you are one of them!
Orale... al Senor!
Revolutionaries for Justice. It's time to turn the page. What's done is done. I've been upset with all this mess. Bitterness was taking root. All that has happen only goes to show us, we can only trust our Lord Jesus Christ.
I've been in the AA since the 70's. I remember the time when we could go freely to a UPC, PAW and vice versa. Those we're great wonderful times. Sadly, this is not the way it is anymore. There is to much judgement amonst the brethren.
Are we all to caught up in who's doing what? They're not right, this is the way to be.... We have forgotten to walk in love. How caught up is Jesus in all of this?
ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
There will never be full agreement, in the churches all the time. The Apostles had their disagreements.
Salvation is not given to us by what church organization we belong to. Salvation is by the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Remember that when you blog, rumor, gossip and curse.
My brothers in Christ, my only prayer is that you serve the Lord with all your heart and soul, wherever you are.
To all my apostolic brothers who will not continue in the AA. Keep on keeping on in Jesus.
We are not subject to man, but to God. Love and respect to all our leaders. I pray that I will hold back judgement in my heart. Judge not that you be judged. It is hard sometimes. God is the righteous judge. Stop tearing the brothers down. Let go and let God. There is the justice. Jesus.
Revolutionaries for JESUS!!!!!!
Ingles sin Barreras
If your comments to Rod Garcia were sincere and of a personal nature then you should have sent him a certified personal letter addressed to his home or talked to him in person not put it on a blog for hundreds to see.
And I don't think it is too late to speak out, maybe he's like many finally fed up with all the wrongdoings. What about you, what is your position? What are you doing to help?
Hay stop it all of you, you're hurting me! old cbg stop your violent aggressive blogs, I told you to do that with me only. Let it go you've hurt me enough.
cbg, old cbg, and quin322, I'll see you girls tomorrow, as we planned to celebrate Vets day! I'm looking forward to play soldiers like we discussed. Oh and I'll bring al the lattest from my daddy sanchez and valverde. That is if Timmo lets me come. Bye!
These idiots that supposely are from the other side of the tracks are just pulling your leg. Don't you see a lot resemblance in them as well as the GB? Appearing to be what they are not!! Talking about families being disfunctional well folks your seeing them now . No wonder why we're in the mess we're in the AA. If it makes you feel better to respond go ahead we'll see who's the big girl here (ooops!) I meant the big boy!
Happy Veteran's Day! Thank you to all our veterans. God watch over our brothers who are currently serving.
Revolutionaries for Jesus!!!!
OMG
Ditto to that for our Veterans. I was on a flight on the east coast this past weekend and witnessed a very nice act of kindness. A young soldier was sitting across the aisle from me and a gentlemen stopped and turned to him and and said "Thank you for your service, I appreciate you." Just a few simple words from a stranger to a soldier and it was such a beautiful act that I've thought about it often in the past days and it gives me a nice warm feeling. Yes, God bless our servicemen.
I was going thru my stuff in my garage and i found an old copy of the ¨heraldo¨on the back of the magazine the is a picture of a convention on Long Beach I believe. Interesting cause on the left side you seë presidents Sanchez just sitting down on his confy seat, in the middle you see the choir director giving his everything, and on the right side you see Pres Baldemar standing up worshiping God. I will try to copy and paste this picture. peace
one time is long beach one of the Maffeys stood up in the meeting and said ¨sabemos cuanto gana el presidente de los Estados Unidos, y el Vice presidente¨ pero no sabemos cuanto gana nuestro presidente de la Asamblea. Hno Sanchez told him that he was ¨fuera de Lugar¨ OUT OF ORDER.
If John McCain can move on you all should too! Peace!
keep up the good work Hno Roman.
the saddest thing is that the leaders forget that the were elected to serve but we treat them like celebrities y se la creen.
peace
We are moving on. Right on out of the AA!
Iglesconbarrerras
I have to disagree about putting my foot in my mouth, but I know what I have and am willing to place in your mouth (wink wink). Incase you need a hint, it the same organ I put in trophymans mouth. You know are part of flor azul secret society dumbass.
Remembering:
I got something for you to remember!! Remember how the flor azuler my your mouth perfectly round.
Old CbG
Remembering
I want to thank old cbg and the flor azul society for making my mouth perfectly round.
Old cbg, to stoop to someone so low would be ignorance on my part so friend from a counselor to you I suggest you get some help before other innocent children become victims to sexual abuse.
This blog used to be where we could discuss issues that pertain to what is going on in the AA. Now, it has turned into a blog with a few disturbed individuals who use all kind of profanity as well as sexual language because of their perverted minds. This blog has taken a different direction which I believe was done intentionally. We know the issues within the AA is coming close to an end so whatever we say regardless these issues really won't matter anymore. It's only a matter of time when we'll see that justice has prevailed. I refuse to be a part of this cesspool!
Hey
Lesson learned for this fiasco: Life is not fair! Although Shtuf happens, God is still worthy of all Glory!
“. . . The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised." Job 1:21b
Life goes on, it is time to move on! Peace
being that this blog has turned into a cesspool.. between a few childish kids.. lol
may i ask a question of value?
I recently ran into a few recent "refugee" families
Refugee - aka - people who recently left the AA, but wishing it would turn around and maybe would return.
ANywho, they mentioned one reasont hey left was that Joel Montes (Houston, TX) had been given an ultimatum to either turn int he properties, or be given the boot (haha in Texas..).
Any one have any credible evidence to this statement?
Seems odd, being that a DGB member was just there this past weekend...
I have never heard of so many gb members in Texas in my life! Our fair state seems to be swarming with them lately. In addition to running around dismissing pastors they have been busy scoping out ready made churches for themselves, setting up corporations in their names, sueing pastors, and of course having little pep rallies for Convention. Pastors beware when they come to visit you just might find yourself out on the street before you can say "God bless the gb."
Accion why are you deleting?
Who is this poor girl? Helen Keller? Who would be with Richard???
accion said...
Richard Maffey
Pastor in San Clemente accused of molesting 14-year-old girl
Ricardo Avalos Maffey of the Apostolic Christian Church is accused of engaging in illegal sexual contact by kissing the girl on the mouth on multiple occasions.
By My-Thuan Tran
1:24 PM PST, November 12, 2008
A pastor was charged today with molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner he met through his role in his church, the Orange County district attorney's office said.
Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, a pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente, is accused of engaging in illegal sexual contact with the alleged victim by kissing her on the mouth on multiple occasions. He also contacted the victim to meet and engage in kissing, authorities said.
The district attorney's office said Maffey, of Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molestation.
If convicted, Maffey faces a maximum prison sentence of five years, six months.
Tran is a Times staff writer.
November 12, 2008 2:03 PM
Channel 9
O.C. Pastor Charged With Molesting Girl, 14
SANTA ANA (AP) ― The Orange County district attorney's office reports the 42-year-old pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in Santa Clemente has been charged with molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner.
Richard Avalos Maffey of Santa Ana is accused of engaging in illegal sexual contact by kissing the girl on the mouth on multiple occasions.
Maffey was charged Wednesday with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molestation.
Here's the link:
Richard 'Want a piece of candy?' Maffey
Is that why he ran that girl over a few years ago? Was she running away from him?
my God, my God...
what is the A.A. coming to? what does the A.A. stand for? What a travesty if true of this former MOP President.
San Clemente Pastor Charged in Molestation
November 12, 2008 Print
From the Orange County District Attorney's Office
NEWPORT BEACH- A Protestant pastor of the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente was charged today for molesting a 14-year-old female parishioner that he met through his job.
Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, Santa Ana, was charged with three felony counts of lewd acts upon a child between the ages of 14 and 15, and one felony count of contacting a minor with the intent to engage in child molest. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of five years and six months in prison. He is out of custody on $100,000 bail. Maffey is scheduled to be arraigned December. 5, at 8:30 a.m., Harbor Justice Center, Newport Beach. The department will be determined later.
Maffey met Jane Doe through his role as a pastor. Between May 2008 and August 2008, the defendant is accused of violating his position of trust by engaging in illegal sexual contact with Jane Doe. On multiple occasions, he is accused of passionately kissing Jane Doe on the mouth. He is also accused of contacting her several times to meet and engage in kissing.
Anyone with additional information or who believes they have been a victim is encouraged to contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714)347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff's Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at 714.647.7419.
The Orange County Sheriff's Department investigated this case. Deputy District Attorney Tony Ferrentino of the Sexual Assault Unit is prosecuting this case.
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
Pastor accused of kissing 14-year-old girl
Pastor at Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente faces charges of kissing, attempting to molest 14-year-old.
By JON CASSIDY
The Orange County Register
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SAN CLEMENTE – A pastor at the Apostolic Christian Church in San Clemente is facing four felony charges over suspicion that he kissed a 14-year-old girl and intended to molest her.
Ricardo Avalos Maffey, 42, of Santa Ana, is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 5 at Harbor Justice Center in Newport Beach on three felony charges of lewd conduct and one count of contacting a minor with intent to molest.
He was arrested by the Orange County Sheriff's Department and is out of custody.
Prosecutors allege that Maffey abused his position of trust as a pastor by passionately kissing a 14-year-old member of the church on several occasions between May and August of this year.
District Attorney's spokeswoman Susan Schroeder declined to specify why Maffey was charged with intent to molest, but said that kissing was the only sexual contact.
Anyone with additional information may contact District Attorney Supervising Investigator Randy Litwin at (714) 347-8794 or the Orange County Sheriff's Sex Crimes Investigation Unit at (714) 647-7419.
Maffey could not be reached for comment.
Freeking Richard Maffey.
If he needs a Bail Bond, give me a call.......
Wow !
I wonder how many pastors out there are hiding these type of tendencies.
We are all human but my goodness at least cheat on your wife with a grown woman.
Cochino !
Sad, sad, sad.
I'm sure Sergio & Leo are covering up on one side and talking to their children on the other.
That's what happens when the church leaders do their own thing instead of following God.
Who said the hijacked elections didn't hurt anyone?
Or your cousins wife
Wasnt he after her as well ?
Freeking Richard, Dude, a 14 year old?
Reverend Cochino!
The Homies are going to give you some good jail house loving ese.
You had your opportunity, now you'll be spending some more time on your knees.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1064679488044653342iHlacY
TO ALL:
The following message is not from the real trophyman, as we all know there is an idiot in our midst that thinks he can fool everyone. Truth is he is only fooling himself!
Remembering
I want to thank old cbg and the flor azul society for making my mouth perfectly round.
November 11, 2008 8:30 PM
That sound like a fool to you?
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
What's with these sick pastors!
So much for Richard Maffey's Apo career:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Pastor-Accused-of-Kissing-Teenage-Girl.html
faces a maximum prison sentence of five years, six months? I don't think so.........
He will plea bargain & w/probably get 6 months if that.
WTF!!!! Este Trophyman - Cochino, Marano, Cerdo!
Plea bargain on a statutory rape charge? Can you plead out of a speeding ticket? Nope. His bail is $100,000.00
Even if his sentence is only 6 months,
1. He'd be a convicted felon.
2. Spend time in state prison or
county jail.
3. Lose his job at the court
house. No more governent work.
4. Register as a sex offender and
be placed on Megans Law.
5. Kiss his ministry good bye.
6. Face 6 months of jail rape.
Time to give up some "chon chon" Richard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rj1MdTpGy8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XHEX0PK6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=077UtUWGQOA
6 Months
That means that he'll be out in time for the 2010 elections and has a chance to be appointed to the DGB.
You don't even need two votes anymore.
Plus all the important info this guy can provide about covering up one's crimes. He is a prime shoe in for a position on the board.
Seeker:
That was not Trophyman making those last comments.
I can almost be sure that it's probably DGB members or their families coping other's ID's making vulgar comments to discredit this blog.
Considering everything, they fear this blog. It has shown their true colors of what they really are. Sanchez will stoop to anything to close this blog down.
those who are thinking about leaving the AA think no more...
this is evil....u mean this Pastor is the one that prays and lays hands on people..asks for tithings and offerings preaches holines and apostolic Doctrine..but has turned against God deceiving the people and hurting innocent lives....All of u LEAVE the AA.....The AA has left U....
Man, You really know when it's a full moon out at night. This latest news is to-o-o incredible.
Kiss me Pastor Richard! Kiss me! Muah, muah, muah!
Kiss me Pastor Richard! LMAO!
Besa me muy fuerte pastor Richard!
ALERT ALERT....
NEWS WRITER EDITOR WANTS PEOPLE TO GIVE INFO ABOUT THE CORRUPTION IN THE AA...PLEASE EMAIL TO
jcassidy@ocregister.com
Its all lies! Lies! Deciet! Dont' believe this accusations!
These are lies from the pits of hell! Liers!
Brother Maffey was set up. He's innocent until proven guilty and the devil will not prevail.
ALERT ALERT....
NEWS WRITER EDITOR WANTS PEOPLE TO GIVE INFO ABOUT THE CORRUPTION IN THE AA...PLEASE EMAIL TO
jcassidy@ocregister.com
ALERT ALERT....
NEWS WRITER EDITOR WANTS PEOPLE TO GIVE INFO ABOUT THE CORRUPTION IN THE AA...PLEASE EMAIL TO
jcassidy@ocregister.com
ALERT ALERT....
NEWS WRITER EDITOR WANTS PEOPLE TO GIVE INFO ABOUT THE CORRUPTION IN THE AA...PLEASE EMAIL TO
jcassidy@ocregister.com
Pastor like Maffey have been getting away with things for years.
So much that they really think they can get away with it from the law of the land.
The dishonorable board turns a blind eye to all. As long as you send in the money do as you want.
That is why we're in the cesspool we are in at this time.
Where is thought for the day? We need his insight and encouragement.
Factsonly1 has a point Richard, is not guilty until proven guilty.
Kudos to the family of this young girl, for not being intimidated by the public scrutiny, and standing up for all those other victims too ashamed to come forward, I bet this guy Maffey has been living a double life for a long time. Unfortunately until the media gets a hold of the story nobody is willing to denounce our apostolic men of GOD.
Does anybody know if Maffey was married and if he had any kids?
Richard Maffey
I would like to let you know that I praying for you. In the past, I have said hateful thing about the GB and other well known preachers in our organization. I have said this with an anonymous name and poor taste.
Honorable President Daniel Sanchez
Please forgive me for my ignorance and lack of understanding of the Bible. As far as the bloggers, they need to find an alter and ask the lord for forgiveness.
Trophyman:
I am disgusted with you. I held you in high regards,
As you have posted your blogs, I realize that you are nothing more than an abomination before god. As i discern your spirit, I believe you border line reprobate, especially for your alternative lifestyle. You have help me realize that I am on the wrong side.
CBG or OLD CBG
You have been a low class blogger since your inception of blogging. You claim are not a christian, but supposedly know a whole bunch of people in the organziation. Later you reveal that you are Gay, what is with you? You and Trophyman should leave this blog alone and quit claiming that your blogging name is being hijacked.
From the people I addressed, no need for a response just sharing my opinion about you all.
Richard Buffet has always been very arrogant and prideful.
The danger of going around with that attitude is twofold.
1. You are bound to discourage and even hurt some people along the way who may look up to the ministry.
2. You allow the enemy to use the doorway of pride to begin to attack you in other areas.
Pay attention General Board if you do not humble yourselves.
God will bring you down for your own good because he loves you and desire that you change.
But if you do not heed the warning.
When God humbles you you get brought down big time and very public.
So someone learned to hi jack profiles and post in there name.
It does not matter the truth always comes out.
And I think discerning bloggers can tell who is who.
Bishop Daniel G. Sanchez
International President, Apostolic Assembly
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW HE IS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT
http://www.jesusstrategy.com/
Enrique:
Dumbass and no I am not a GB family member
DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!
Mr I have 20 profiles.
Your vulgar words show your lack of maturity.
And your complete lack of any Holy Spirit abiding in you.
You lack credibility and are a heathen.
After a week in jail, Richard Buffet will be known as:
NumbAss!! LOL
Rev. Richard, gonna give up some Chon Chon! LMAO!!
This message is for the honorable bishop of IDCN Felip Lugo;
Could you please go check out what's going on at the church at Lake Elsinore, CA under the pastorship of Phil Saenz or do an internal investigation on your own administration on why so many ministers have left the church of Lake Elsinore, CA and the AA.
In the month of July a minister by the name of Rafael Mendez now a minister with Pastor John Huizar Jr. In August Evangelist Juan Campos and I believe now he is pastoring in the city of Corona, CA. Now Evangelist Luis Guttierez posts his resignation on the .info website.
All three of these great ministries were out of the church of Pastor Phil Saenz and the district of Bishop Felipe Lugo. Would someone please do an investigation why either the district or the GB.
I guess some men want to be known as men that killed ministries and not raise minitries.
PEACE
Hey factsonly1;
I wonder if Richard is sweating like a pig!
Thing is Mr Richard always put up a front of being a hardcore ex-gangbanger.
I guess he'll be getting gangbanded in jail.
American Me style.
He deserves every last bit of jail rape for committing statutoty rape. Even more so for being a pastor.
Geesh President Sanchez, nice church you have.
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