So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?
Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.
Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.
You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.
I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".
Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.
You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.
Back to the Revolutionaries...
If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.
I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.
Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire
ps.
For our revolutionaries....
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«Oldest ‹Older 1801 – 2000 of 4282 Newer› Newest»Just wanted to say to that brother, sorry about the way you feel toward us. Maybe we do have things in our past that is shameful but remember no one is perfect and like this country had slavery and other shameful things but look at it now. There is much work to be done yet it is the best country in the world...Please do forgive the UPC for what ever offence we cause you.
We Love you dearly.
After what I just read, this will be my last post...
First when the topic of hair came up it was merely saints sharing their joy of how they choose to serve the Lord. Not once was anyone bashing anyone for cutting their hair. The UPC is run by it's local pastors and some churches have some rules others don't. My wife has never looked down on anyone who cuts their hair and she has never cut her hair. And believe me she doesn't look like "lady godiva"(who ever that is)I don't see how you could call us sister church and have soooo much ill will to us? Some of us are on here because we care, but I see we're not welcome! So I will leave. Just know that some of us were "invited on here."
Thank You!
to the upc brothers and sisters, you don't have to leave. We are all a one God Apostolic/Pentecostal people, and this is an open form! just because there is an "IDIOT" on here doesn't mean he speaks for all of us. he is against you guys because he'll never amount to anything. hes just here wanting other to do things yet what is he doing? nothing! just bashing the upc and barking orders that no one takes. no one will ever take him serious!
To Apostolico"
"La verdad no mata pero si desacomoda".
"The truth does not kill but it sure makes you uncomfortable."
You are the one that is in denial, my Dear Brother or Sister.
Grow up and learn. Iam not been racist. Iam just telling you as it is. And it hurts enough to make you angry.
It gets me very upset too.
"Think." Go follow the other cult.
Its hopeless...
Iam not trying to hold a stand with Hallelujah anyhow. In a thousand years could this never be done either way.We are totally from a different mind and from toally different schools.
But she or he sure "baited" me and I spoke...Was it you: "anyhow"?
Read your history of the church where the UPC would not even allow the Mexican Brothers to borrow the baptistry for baptising the
AA brothers.
This happened in the UPC churches in Bakersfield before the church was built on Butte street by Brother Juanito Rodriguez.
Also in Tulare with Brother Epifanio Cota; nor in Sanger with Brother Jesus Valdez;, nor in San Jose with brother Antonio Olague; nor in Porterville with Brother Aguirre.
Nor in Indio with Brother Jesus P. Torres; nor in San Diego with Brother Sesma; nor in Solana Beach with Brother Jesus Flores;
nor in Bernanillo, New Mexico with Brother Cerilo Leyba;nor in Chicago, Ill., with Brother Domingo Torres; nor in Orangeville, Mich., Brother Garcia.
And on and on...
All these Pastors had to go to the River or the beach in their areas. No matter what kind of whether.
Because the UPC thought and actually told these Pastors that their
"White clean members" did not want Mexicans in their baptistry...
We were not called "Hispanics" then because "President Nixon" had not named us as such.
Because Central Americans were very few. Only Mexicans were in the South West.
Sorry I made you mad.
"Becausewecare" must be also mad. I do not blame him one bit.
The problem with you is that people like you and there are thousands do not want to "think" about the "real" issue of discrimination . You should not run, be angry, but help us...
There will be thousand of New Immigrants, now with the Cellular Groups.
You are assimilated? That's your business.
Here in this world Iam not. Iam very happy with my hertiage.
But I worry because we "run" from our Apostolic Assembly. And go "serve" the ones that made our ancestors suffer so much discrimnation.
Sanchez and the GB will not be for long. We are praying for the Plaintiffs.
Read your history books. Or are you too young to read.
I see all kinds of injustices being done right now against our people in the jobs. Just because they do not speak "English" that does not give them a "right" for better working conditions and for "fair salaries"
But when the Church has hurt them too then I speak in the name of Justice.
I will definately "stay with my hertiage' and work with them and their children to "learn" English and the culture of this wonderful Country that we live in that is
'A COUNTRY OF IMMIGRANTS'
God bless you. And "Think".
You are Hallelujah anyhow::Or his wife. Good baiting...Great job.
Hallelujah anyhow. Loves the AA too much to even "GET OUT OF THE BLOGs".
God bless you too.
The Bible says: "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything with prayer and supplication, let your request be made known unto the Lord. And the Lord will guard you soul and mind. "
I'll keep you in my prayers too. And also my wonderful "New immigrant" brothers and sisters..
To David:
Praise the Lord Brother'
It was impossible to believe and very unrealistic that we sctually have UPC members "concerned" about these blogs set up by Brother Leybas for the AA.
Don't they have anything better to do, then to "try to solve" our problems. We surely do not go and try to "run Kenny Haney" as I know him.
In a million years did I imagine that what is causing us so much pain with the Gb is also involving the UPC. And they say " They were invited" to be part of this glorious party" Wow...INVITED.....
well now I know it was the will of God that I would post this history of the UPC and the AA. Especially on the ''WAY OVER DUE ISSUE ON WOMAN SUFFRAGE....
Some brother did not even know who
"Lady Godiva" was. Wow ...I also never learned much on History at WABC..
Had to refresh courses over and over.
Most of this is our own history and trying to pray and resolve these issues
My dear Brother David. I am called "an IDIOT" by You. Wow brother I sure pinched some NERVES...BUT ITS THE TRUTH.
I LIVED IT AND MANY OTHERS ARE STILL EXPERIENCING THIS LEGALISM..THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE 'USED' OR CONDITIONED THEY DO NOT EVEN FEEL IT.
But if you can be so mean to call me "names" then you need the peace of God in your heart.
Iam stating "truth". Not that I personally experienced THIS ,but better yet that my beloved brothers "suffered". That's what is most important to me.
IAM DEFENDING THEM. THEY ARE MY PEOPLE AND YOURS.
Being a national "human rights activist" that I have been for years.
If I could rally for "Cesar Chavez" here in California for years and in Sacramento and in D.C. I sure can "rally" for my beloved "Church"...
It hurts when other try to "white wash" themselves with saying "Iam sorry. But the truth is that the UPC is ONLY INTEREST IN THE HISPANIC MINISTERIES NOW BECAUSE OF THE HISPANIC MONEY MARKET...
I lived it when they would send them to the the corner of 1st and what ever "barrio" church. When the new immigrant would arrive new in town. But they were "penniless" and in dire need.
Thank God the "Iglesia de Mexico" is here now to "nutralize" the UPC and the AA and "nutralize" it good....
Many of those new immigrants hispanics will surely but surely 'look for the "Iglesia de Mexico in the USA"
They are listed in the Internet. From Their Head quarters in Guadalajara, Mexico.
Praise God for that...
God bless you.
To David:
Praise the Lord Brother'
It was impossible to believe and very unrealistic that we sctually have UPC members "concerned" about these blogs set up by Brother Leybas for the AA.
Don't they have anything better to do, then to "try to solve" our problems. We surely do not go and try to "run Kenny Haney" as I know him.
In a million years did I imagine that what is causing us so much pain with the Gb is also involving the UPC. And they say " They were invited" to be part of this glorious party" Wow...INVITED.....
well now I know it was the will of God that I would post this history of the UPC and the AA. Especially on the ''WAY OVER DUE ISSUE ON WOMAN SUFFRAGE....
Some brother did not even know who
"Lady Godiva" was. Wow ...I also never learned much on History at WABC..
Had to refresh courses over and over.
Most of this is our own history and trying to pray and resolve these issues
My dear Brother David. I am called "an IDIOT" by You. Wow brother I sure pinched some NERVES...BUT ITS THE TRUTH.
I LIVED IT AND MANY OTHERS ARE STILL EXPERIENCING THIS LEGALISM..THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE 'USED' OR CONDITIONED THEY DO NOT EVEN FEEL IT.
But if you can be so mean to call me "names" then you need the peace of God in your heart.
Iam stating "truth". Not that I personally experienced THIS ,but better yet that my beloved brothers "suffered". That's what is most important to me.
IAM DEFENDING THEM. THEY ARE MY PEOPLE AND YOURS.
Being a national "human rights activist" that I have been for years.
If I could rally for "Cesar Chavez" here in California for years and in Sacramento and in D.C. I sure can "rally" for my beloved "Church"...
It hurts when other try to "white wash" themselves with saying "Iam sorry. But the truth is that the UPC is ONLY INTEREST IN THE HISPANIC MINISTERIES NOW BECAUSE OF THE HISPANIC MONEY MARKET...
I lived it when they would send them to the the corner of 1st and what ever "barrio" church. When the new immigrant would arrive new in town. But they were "penniless" and in dire need.
Thank God the "Iglesia de Mexico" is here now to "nutralize" the UPC and the AA and "nutralize" it good....
Many of those new immigrants hispanics will surely but surely 'look for the "Iglesia de Mexico in the USA"
They are listed in the Internet. From Their Head quarters in Guadalajara, Mexico.
Praise God for that...
God bless you.
thought_for_day,
Please shut up. You talk way too much.
Are there more UPC commentators on this blog than Apostolics? and Iglesia de Mexico members?
Bishop Abel Aguilar,
How can you continue to be part of the great deception? With everything that you know about what really happened in the now infamous 2006 elections, you remain silent. All the while, pastors are leaving and pastors are being removed including your cousin Bishop Daniel Solomon. The repercussions of these actions will continue long after you are finished with your term of office.
I am not a prophet, nor a renowned evangelist, but it doesn’t take a spiritual rocket scientist to know that if you are rubbing elbows and standing shoulder to shoulder with these men of conspiracy and deceit, you are guilty by association.
I know that Sam is your buddy and you have a covenant together, and you will protect him and his family, but this has gone too far.
Esther 4:14
For if thou altogether holdest thy peace (if you remain silent and not demand justice for pastor's votes) at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews (Apostolic Assembly) from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed (your ministry will diminish along with your testimony): and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom (Your position) for such a time as this?
When all is said and done, as you know, God will avenge Himself of all injustice, greed, and ungodliness of men who claim to live by Truth, but in fact adulterate it.
Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Speak up brother! Stand up for what is right. You will earn respect by the brethren, and your children will hold you in high esteem, you will validate your faith, and you will help bring healing to the Apostolic Assembly.
Im4Reform
It’s often hard to be honest when we think the truth will be used to our disadvantage, but to a person of character there’s no choice.
– Michael Josephson
To: Thought 4 the Day,
Thank you for your insight!
People don't like to hear the truth because it hurts. But that is the only thing (Truth) that will set us free!
Continue to give your insight. It is obvious that you know the history of the AA, UPC & Iglesia for a personal and expert experience.
We need your type of intellect here!
Thoughtfortheday
Stop taking so much space!
Thought for the day:
so i do see your point in some of your writtings but your beating a dead dog- for real. To begin, H.A. is a FEMALE brah. She wasnt bashing anyone she just was speaking of her convictions. was this the forum to do so, prbly not!!! but you aint gonna win that battle with her.
Secondary - she was a member of the AA in AZ (as you mentioned)and when everyone (the AA MEXICANO BROTHERHOOD if you will) turned their back on her congregation the UPC opened their doors - it was big news a few years ago, but Mr Leybas didnt have this here blog here back then! c'mon brah they were under TAFOYA!!? nuf'said! AGREE!?
Do i think she should be on this blog giving her input? Why not, she lived the very thing that these churches are experiencing now. In a sense they were forced to move on you cant blame them for being "concerneD" Do i think she may be a lil too opinionated - DEFINATELY - does she come off a lil nosey, YEAH! but she aint the only one. The way you came off the wall with your posts was just WACK and by your writtings (especially the names you mentioned in AZ) you're either a chick which is my first guess or Sergio Villanueva. HA!
GOTCHA!
anyways whoever you are - slow your role and dont be so harsh. One love
-C
Im4reform
He(abel)does not have it in HIM!
(no tiene los Pantalones)
He knows if he stays long enough , HIS SONS will have a big chance of being in the Board too!!!
Respect? I have LOST respect for all the gb!!
People have sinned in many ways but, it DOESN'T COMPARE to what the gb HAVE DONE TO THE aa.
All their children (of the gb) have been Marked for life!
They would have to change their lastname for people not to remind them of what t/parents did!
Henry, What's cracking with the Barrientos case?
SOUNDS LIKE DR RAMIREZ IS ON THIS BLOG.
Barrientos trial still on. Wow! Lots of people testifying and witnessing.
I was always taught that we apostolics were to go "witnessing" every opportunity we can.
I never thought the pastor meant witnessing at criminal trials.
Looks like the trial will conclude next week.
Thats all can be said for now.....
Apostolic TMZ
Just heard that Daniel Sanchez has been called to take the witness stand in the Barriento's case. It will be interesting. I wonder what he will say "nothing but the truth so help me God."
Skotty,
Did you hear that? Sanchez will be in Imperial valley..............
skotty..
Lets egg SANCHEZ in the face.j/k..
Saul Avila et al. v. Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus et al.
Case: E046233 4th div2 District
Date (YYYY-MM-DD): 2008-08-29
Event Description: Appellant's appendix filed.
Notes:
2 volumes
sounds like Pres.Sanchez is gonna spend a lot of his time in court the last year of his term....I wonder if Sam Valverde is already planning how he is going to drop Sanchez when he makes
Bishop President...
henry
when was the last court day of Barrientos? and when is the last one going to be..
like i said in the past i hope it"s just a lie from those people
Truth:
u hope what's a lie?
concern
Ihope that Pastor Brrientos is not guilty.
It could just be a set up,I heard that Daniel's Sanchez little brother is in Imperial Valley and that he wants the El Centro church, that's the one Barrientos Pastors. Barrientos just remodel the church not to long ago, plus if I'm not mistaken Sanchez dad was the pastor in EL CENTRO many years ago.
well I wish little Sanchez luck because I heard El Centro congregation is hard core,unless little Sanchez is really anointed enough to Pastor that church but I dought it,after all he is a Sanchez.
I'll have to make my homework on little Sanchez it won't be hard specially that he was from this District out of Dan Sanchez church,so any one should know of him..
WELL, SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE IS LEAVING THE AA. I DONT THINK IS FAIR THAT WE THE CHURCH ARE THE ONES HAVING TO LEAVE THE ASSEMBLY. THIS IS THE TIME TO START ASKING OURSELVES IF WE WANT OUR ASSEMBLY BACK, IM TRUSTING IN THE LORD THAT HE IS GOING TO HEAL THE CHURCH COMPLETELY AND HE WILL REMOVE THOSE THAT DONT BELONG IN THE BOARD. I DONT AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THE ACTIONS OF BROTHERS LIKE JUAN CAMPOS THAT DECIDE TO LEAVE THE ASSEMBLY; I DO UNDERSTAND HIS REASONS BUT THIS IS WHEN WE NEED TO FIGHT HARDER FOR OUR BELOVED CHURCH! IM TIRED OF THIS SITUATION AND PEOPLE FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TALKING BAD ABOUT OUR CHURCH! WE NEED TO STOP BASHING THE CHURCH PEOPLE! THE ASSEMBLY IS NOT COMPOSED ONLY OF THE GB, WE ARE THE ASSEMBLY WE ARE THE CHURCH, AND WE NEED TO GET IT BACK. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
Saul Avila et al. v. Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus et al.
Case: E046233 4th div2 District
Date (YYYY-MM-DD): 2008-08-29
Event Description: Appellant's opening brief.
THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS MESS IS THIS APPEAL, PRAY EVERYBODY PRAY
antonio, thats the truth that set you free? you are just as stupid as thought for day!
first he said he heard it (thats hear say) then he said he live it, then he said not that he experienced it himself but his fellow brothers! I agree he is an idiot! and you too!
to ross p, the aa is not the church, the saints are the church!
you say your the aa? tell that to the board! bottom line none of you are going to do anything but blog, while we sacrifice our selves!
the blog is a powerful tool but its not all there is to it! what kind of fight are you fighting?
former aa pastor....
alert... alert...
the appellate brief has already been filed by the plaintiff's attorney today... there are two volumes. can someone from the s.b. county area go and pull the brief and post it on info? sources that are familiar with the content say that this time around every area was covered and that the highlight of this brief is joel montes and the votes of the pastors muted.
To facts:
No wonder you're a former AA pasor, just hear yourself speak. Do you preach with that foul mouth?
4th div2 District
Riverside Ca.
To facts:
You indicated that you did not understand my comment of August 29th at 7:59am.
You have quite a few typos in your postings so perhaps you are a bit challenged in several areas (really not trying to put you down, just want to slow it down here for you to comprehend, ok?)
Here it goes facts.
YOU SAID: [antonio, thats the truth that set you free?]
BUT I REALLY SAID: (On August 29th at 7:59am) [People don't like to hear the truth because it hurts. But that is the only thing (Truth) that will set us free!]
Perhaps you didn’t realize I had paraphrased a scripture in the Bible. I would say about 99% of the intelligent people on this blog have caught what I was saying. Sorry you didn’t catch it. Here is the actual Bible verse quotation:
"And ye (everyone that doesn't deny the truth) shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. John 8:32
Just trying to help you out, facts, that’s all.
And thank you for calling me an idiot and stupid! I won’t return the favor as you are what you are, no need to add to it.
But, I must have hit a nerve with you. You must be related to someone on the GB.
May your conscience continue to bother you about the 2006 elections and the other injustices currently happening within the AA!
Thank you for slowing it down Antonio. I am sure it was slow enough for Facts to understand this time, LOL!
On another note:
I heard that Sammie Valverde has shunned so many of his previous best friends.
I was told by a family member that Sam Valverde has a closet full of skeletons. What that means I don't know.
The family member said to look at all the ministers Sam has cut off and you can figure out what type of person he is.
I don't know all the ministers who have been a part of Sam V's church that he has forever cut off. Does anyone know those ministers names?
I heard one use to be a Phd. in theology and the others were nephews and a brother-in-law.
Please, does anyone have a list of those ministers Sam V has cut off?
Help us out someone who knows the history of Fontana church.
Truth:
Yes, we too hope those allegations of sexual battery are not true. I don't think anyone would want their loved ones or children to be abused like that or any other way for that matter.
But these allegations are severe. Its not like someone is just going to make up a story and put it out there.
If they did "just make up a lie", the police department investigator would sense it. If he recommended to move forward with the case and pass it on the the DA's office, it was based on reasonable evidence.
Furthermore, the DA scrutinizes the case and see's if the complaint and allegations have sufficient merit to file a complaint on behalf of the people of California against Mr Barrientos.
At that point, a Judge has to sign off on an Arrest Warrant for him to appear and be charged and tried.
At this point, a JURY has been selected and will be the decider of the facts presented.
Remember, if he is convicted, it will be on evidence that reaches "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Also, there is a Penalty for Filing a False Police Report. If thats the case, the alleged victim(s) would then face prosecution for that. I'm sure they were made aware of that fact in the begining.
There are other cases of apostolic ministers where it was said the victims were lying.
Please refer to the Calif. Attorney Generals Website for Megans Law.
For example, Raymond Jesse Alcantar and Adam Dominguez. Look at them. You might recognize them. Perhaps you saw them wondering the convention halls or at a service.
The question I have for our beloved leaders in Rancho Cucamonga is this.
Why did you take so long to remove Barrientos as Pastor? He wasn't removed until two weeks ago after it was made public that Barrientos was on trial, after the trial started. Barrientos was arrested and arreigned upto 6, 7 months ago.
Barrientos should had at the minimum be suspended and place on leave until the trial is complete.
I understand he is innocent until proven guilty. But you, the AA Leadership have removed pastor's for less. Barrientos is accused of sexual battery who's victims were from the churches he pastored.
You reprimand Rev. Juan Campos for preaching in other churches but allow a accused sexual predator to continue to pastor AFTER his ARREST?
I don't think any of the Excommunicated Pastors were on a Bail Bond or released on OR.
Juan Campos is correct, there are double standards in our church, starting with those in Rancho Cucamonga.
Thank you Henry!
We needed to get back on track, it would be good to stop all name calling too.
We're apostolics, name calling is part of our culture.
The Devil is a LIAR!
Only BACKSLIDERS sit in the back benches....
Why do you think Paul Rodriguez(Former Apostolic, Compton, CA) made it to the big leagues of comedy...
Some peeople are real funny. Here we are supposed to be holy ghost filled people calling others "idiot" and to "shut your mouth".
He does have a valid point. The UPC, not all members, but some, have a RNM.
I for one, would never go UPC, from my experiences in the past.
Cesar Chavez marches were marches for justice and for civil rights. I can respect that, even as a Republicano.
We need to have a march on Rancho Cuca for the rights of the members.
Henry, I agree with you about the march.
Henry,what do you know about Dan Sanchez little brother in Imperial Valley
Congratulations, Bro. Campos and Family!
is that really true..???
i had heard that before about paul rodriguez..
i know some1 who in fact had to be former AA...
George Lopez's grandmother.. that lady is crazy!!! LOL
"why you crying??? becuz i stole the election.... mira mira... muy lloron" hahahaha
The word Apostolic transends organizations, weather we focus on AA issues or not. If we want to keep it just AA, there should be rules and a name change.
Frankly I'm tired of all this hair stuff and upc/aa stuff! Lets focus on the 2006 appointments!
Now who gots more dirt on the gb?
PS I heard that on Apostolic Friends Forum, there some aa people!
Get off there blogs! So they'll get off ours! Nuf said!
To all Bloggers who are indeed "mad at me.
Praise the Lord:
When I was a speaker at the
1OOth., Anniversary of the Azusa Street Revival' here in Los Angeles
at the Convention Center.
I met with Brother Kenny Haney and we greeted each other. He spoke at the Sport's Arena.
I have one question for you UPC Brothers and Sisters from the UPC that "love us so much" you can't stop
blogging with The AA's History.
Is it against your UPC's Doctrinal Teaching that Pastors and members "paint their hair" to 'Hold back the years" in looks.
Well I think that if "cutting" the hair for your Women is total and complete "condemnation" then obviously and most certainly, "painting hair" is too
Right?
Well, I noticed that Brother Haney
"paints his hair" to alter his ageing.
I saw Sister Joy and I noticed she did not "paint her hair".
But Brother Haney does.
So how do you "grade him on this?"
Since you know more than I do, obviously, since you call me "idiot" and for me to "Shut my Mouth".
Obviously Brother Jeremiah, you are really feeling "the drift" and the truth hurts.
Especially if you are Hispanic.
What do you remember from your past that you did not "address".? Did you just continue to be in "denial" and "looked" the other way when your Hispanic Brethren are exploiated.
Or are you Angle-Saxon and get "real angry" at your inner feelings.
Don't blame me. Its not about me...Its about our Hispanic New Immigrants that are "exploiated" and called "Little Spanish" Brothers., as the UPC call us Mexican Americans.
We are not "little" we are all the same in the eyes of our loving and merciful God.
Sure "now they receive you, in Arizona .with open ARMS".
They have it quite figured out on the "earning, and giving power of the Hispanic members".
Central Americans Apostolic Members are known and it has been proven that "they are more giving"
with their thithes and offering.
How gracious..how Christian how loving...All of a sudden since THE 1970'S they are VERY DESIRABLE...
"Think" Brothers and Sisters...
Are you in a Cult?
Thank you Brother Antonio and Henry for "remembering your ancestors. Remember Brother Henry your grandmother. I remember mine.
Concerned..No I do not expect to "reach" "H.A"
This is beyond she or he...Its not about an individual as H.A. Its about the exploiation of our past Ancestors and the exploiation of the hard earned MONEY AND ONLY THAT
OF THE HISPANIC BRETHREN..
THAT THE UPC WANTS...NOTHING ELSE...
Have you read the book published in the 196O- On La Historia de La
Asamblea Apostolica"?
You can purchase it at the Rancho Cucamonga Book store for about $25.
There you will read the coming out of the Azusa Street Gospel Church.
This Apostolic Gospel Church was on what was Azusa steet where the Hollywood Freewy now meets Alameda street. Near Japanese Town on First street.
And because English was only spoken.
It was necessary to reach the Mexican community and Brother Francisco LLorente reached out to the "Pentecostal Assemblies of the World". A corporation in Missouri and received and issued the
"First Credentials" both to Men and Women. Women were ordained too according to those credentials. Brother LLorente was in favor of the continuation of "Women ordaination and so was Brother Martinez, but Brother Nava and Brother Pablo Garcia Chavez, from Arizona were not.
You know who won on this issue.
The PAW is still in full function and is the Jesus Name Movement who helped the Mexican Brothers and Sister to be full credentialed Elders.
It was the "Black" Jesus Name Organization THAT "helped" the Mexican Brothers to incorporate. NOT THE UPC.
A very intelligent man, BROTHER BERNARDO HERNANDEZ coming out of the Baptist Church in JimTown(now West Whittier, was given by the Holy Spirit the instrumentality of the "First Articles" of incorporation.
Brother Francisco LLorente, coming out of the Methodist Church was highly educated and a great asset in the formation of APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.
Brother Llorente the first Presiding Bishop spoke "perfect" English.
You can see in the book," La Historia de La Asamblea Apostolica," Brother Llorente's signature and it was so eloquent.
"Read the Book"It was not the UPC, that "helped" the Assembly.
As many claim.
If some people get angry because I "talk too much", then do not read my blog...You can do that and not get upset. But you that are 3, 4, generation should know your roots.
And do not give "credit" to those that did not do anything but hurt our ancestors.
Now they receive them with "Open Arms"....
I do not like "their "self imposed" doctrinal issues on Women...
I detest that...Because men can be "modernos" (modern)to the tilt..
But women must be like "The little House in the Prarie Women,"
I believe in "modesty" Because the Bible teaches that. But don't give us "your views on Women, and restriction and control when you can do "golf", "season tickets"at the stadiums, okay that's fine, but if you want to be in "latest vogue' than respect women as such.
They are God's creation too.
Remember the Lord Jesus honored the ministry of Women. They were first to see him and the first to be with HIm in the Garden of the Resurrection..
Think on this. "Women cutting hair, and modern modest attire is one of the "biggest HAVING REVIVAL SERVICES SERMONS.''
I HEAR MANY SAY' "OH BROTHER SO AND SO AND EVANGELIST SO AND SO PREACHED SO WONDERULLY...HE WAS REALLY USED BY THE LORD. HE SURE GAVE A PIECE OF HIS MIND AND OF THE WORD OF GOD TO THOSE SISTERS. THEY SURE NEED IT AS THEY DESERVE IT."
"THESE WOMEN," THEY CONTINUE TO SAY. "REALLY NEED TO 'PRAY THROUGH AT THE ALTAR' THEY JUST MESS UP THEIR LOOKS".
THIS EVANGELIST SURE LET THEM HAVE IT.
THE SERVICE WAS GREAT. WE NEED MORE MEN THAT PREACH LIKE THIS,
WE NEED TO BRING HIM BACK SO HE SURE FIX THESE WOMEN".
BUT IN REALITY, UPC and AA Pastors take advantage of this and control, and condemn women.
What about the evangelist and the Pastor or visitng preacher's modern attire, fancy cars and diamond gold watches?.
The watch is "gold" and in the same hand as the "wedding" ring would be.
No wonder so many UPC and AA members and Pastors have one foot at the UPC and the other at the AA.
For sure we all know that NO PASTOR NOR HIS WIFE OF THE AA. "PAINTS THEIR HAIR."
We know this for sure.. Because remember in as much as it is a "sin" of condemnation to "cut a women's hair" the same "sin" is to "paint their hair'.
lET'S CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR EACH OTHER. SO GOD CAN 'OPEN OUR MINDS'.
Well mr.joe,
Apostolic Friends Forum is not just UPC, its for any Apostolic!
And they never kicked us off for being assemblies.You guys need to repent!
Well I do know of aa pastors and wifes that paint there hair, just go to El Paso Tex....
But I agree with Thought for the day! UPC'S get off our blog!
Thought for the day,
I don't know much of our glorist AA. But heard things here and there. Could you tell me what happened to brother F. Llorente?
I heard he died out of God's will?
Thought for the day, or can I call you Pastor? Don't worry I wont say who you are. Don't take this the wrong way, I highly respect you! But as the man of God that you are, you seemed to have lost your cool. You cannot allow your self to get baited, remember to be slow to speak. Because the world is reading, and right about now we're looking pretty bad. Don't worry I don't think the upcees will be back. Our jovenes don't like standards anyways, they wont go upc. Holiness/Godliness is not our agenda we don't have to worry about it. You know this! We're way too liberal, now lets take our churches back!
Now lets focus! Back to our mission "Que viva la revolusion"!
It's late and I sit here wondering, worrying about the issue at hand. In going over the letters sent to the board by the plaintiffs, pastors, ministers who are reluctantly leaving their beloved Assembly I can't help but feel saddened for them, for us, for the future. However, one thing stands out and that is the total respect that each of these men of God have shown to the AA leaders even in the face of all that has been done unto them. In their words I sense their hurt, their sadness, their disbelief, their resignation. Yet, never once do any of them show any disrespect whatsoever to those who have caused so much damage to God's church. What great men of God the AA has lost. How I admire these brave brothers who have sacrificed so much! God bless them.
called2proclaim said...
skotty..
Lets egg SANCHEZ in the face.j/k..
August 29, 2008 1:29 PM
HAHAHAHHA
its kinda hard to hit him in the face when all he does is look down...
haha
to: Henry
please help me get the trial date and time for the Barrientos case,
I'm willing to go,and bring back a report and if i get a chance some pics..
Jesse, where are you from. Maybe we can ride together I want to scope Imperial Valley...I want to see where the Sanchez came from..
Jesse & Truth:
Sounds like a road trip.
Email me at:
Hankster44@gmail.com
Truth:
It sounds like a great idea!
I'm in Downey,CA. Southeast of L.A.
Let me kow.
Jesse,henry let's find out the court date,at this time I'm out of town I'm from the L A area I should be back in townn this coming thursday...did any one find any info on Sanchez little brother in Imperial Valley,I wonder if El Centro chuch is gonna be for him,,..IWould like to know in what terms he left to Imperial Valley but knowing the Sanchez he was probably no good either, g God have mercy of Imperial Valley...
The only reason I gave "history on the UPC and AA was because "many Innocent" brothers and sisters think that by going UPC their problems will be solved.
We cannot "run" away from problems> Solutions are through prayer and perserverence..
Some one said that "the grass is greener on the other side" But it is not. Its the same terrain.
"Women's hair and attire is the
"ONLY DOCTRINAL ISSUE ON THE UPC AGENDA." They can wear a Gold Watch, but no rings. Yet its the same hand. There was A DIVISION'.
in the UPC for this.
EVERYTHING CAN EVOLVE...MEN'S SUITS, GOLF, SPORTS AND FANCY CARS ETC., Well that's good. But UPC must also "stop" holding bashing revivals on Women's hair and attire.
Remember the next "Bashing Women Evangelist that comes to your Churhc, invited by your UPC Pastor to do his "bashing". And saying "Thus Said the Lord".
Offer to buy that Evangelist sandles, and a Tunic and a 'head band" to dress with the "code" of the "Early Partriach's of Old."
Then he can "open his mouth."
What ever we want the Lord to tell us is already "written and prophesied in the Word of God."
If you are leaving the AA. I still say over and over I do not blame you what so ever. But you should know how you're spirit will feel contrite over at the so call "Hispanic Ministeries".
Leaving the AA could be for many years. But unfortunately one that I hear is that "there are too many first time immigrants In the AA.
We are losing Our idenity the Mexican-American say".
Please, the only idenity we need is to be "A Chosen People, A Royal Prist-hood."
But don't they see that the UPC HAS OPENED A HISPANIC MINISTRY, to
"hook" those that need to exit the AA. Because there are too many first time immigrants.
Only to find themselves in the same
"First Time, Spanish Speaking Only UPC Hispanic Ministeries".
Its not alright at the AA, only at the UPC...How ridiculous to be so unclear...
I understand Brother Haney even called Ex. Presiding Bishop Baldemar to "invite him."
Bishop Baldemar is from Texas and if any one "remembers" the UPC "whits supremacy attitude is he".
Thank God for that.
All I want to say is God Bless those of you that are leaving us.
This could be a good reminder for us on the Persecution of the Early
Church in Jerusalem.
The Lord "send" them out to Evangelize the World."
We are receipants of that Great Effort. The Entire World is.
The only reason I gave "history on the UPC and AA was because, I owe this information to "many Innocent" brothers and sisters who think that by going UPC their problems will be solved.
We cannot "run" away from problems. Solutions are through prayer and perserverence..
Some one said that "the grass is greener on the other side" But it is not. Its the same terrain.
"Women's hair and attire is the
"ONLY DOCTRINAL ISSUE ON THE UPC AGENDA." They can wear a Gold Watch, but no rings. Yet its the same hand. There was A DIVISION'.
in the UPC for this.
And always the forever, never ending Collect for "THE BUILDING FUND."
EVERYTHING CAN EVOLVE FOR MEN IN THE UPC AND THE AA..
MEN'S SUITS, GOLF, SPORTS AND FANCY CARS ETC., Well that's good. But UPC must also "stop" holding "bashing revivals" on Women's hair and attire.
Remember the next "Bashing Women" Evangelist that comes to your church, invited by your UPC Pastor to do his "bashing". And saying "Thus Said the Lord".
Offer to buy that Evangelist sandles, and a Tunic and a 'head band" to dress with the "code" of the "Early Partriach's of Old."
Then he can "open his mouth."
to bash women.
What ever we want the Lord to tell us is already "written and prophesied in the Word of God."
If you are leaving the AA. I still say over and over "I do not blame you what so ever." But you should know how you're spirit will feel contrite over at the so call "Hispanic Ministeries".
Leaving the AA could be for many years of brother and sister and long christian relationship with many.
But unfortunately one that I hear is that "there are too many first time immigrants In the AA.
We are losing Our idenity the Mexican-Americans say".
Please, the only idenity we need is to be "A Chosen People, A Royal Prist-hood."
But don't they see that the UPC HAS OPENED A HISPANIC MINISTRY, to
"hook" those that need to exit the AA. Because there are too many first time immigrants.
Only to find themselves in the same
"First Time, Spanish Speaking Only UPC Hispanic Ministeries".
Its not alright at the AA, only at the UPC...How ridiculous to be so unclear...
I understand Brother Haney , called Ex. Presiding Bishop Baldemar to "invite him."
I can now say with so many UPC, (we found out) are in the AA Blogs no wonder Brother Haney called Bishop Baldemar. Do you think Brother Haney is al in the AA Blogs?
Interesting, right?
Bishop Baldemar is from Texas and if any one "remembers" the UPC "white supremacy attitude is he".
Thank God for that.
All I want to say is God Bless those of you that are leaving us.
This could be a good reminder for us on the "Persecution of the Early Church in Jerusalem."
The Lord "sent" them out to Evangelize the World."
We are receipants of that Great Effort. The Entire World is.
God's blessing be with all of you.
To Brother Joe:
Praise the Lord:
During my life I met many many brothers and sisters in the AA that personally knew Ex. Presiding Bishop of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Incorporated; Presiding Bishop Francisco LLorente.
Three Pastors that are now gone to be with the Lord told me personally that Although Brother Llorente was very educated and fluent in Enlish he was known to be a "man of the people and a very humble and Christian man.
Bishop Llorented had studied and knew the Bible very well.
He had been educated by the Methodist Church.
Presiding Bishop Llorente was rivaled very much by Ex.Presiding Bishop Antonio Nava.
And also by a brother named Isaias and a Brother Juan Martinez.
Brother Juan Martinez and Brother Isaias have their names mentioned briefly in the book "La Historia de la Asambled Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus.
You can purchase this book at the Rancho Cucamonga Book store, for about $20.00.
The one that "over powers" the pages of this book is the name of Brother Nava.
Brother Nava was a full blood "Navago", from Nasas, Durango.
He was an extremely "quite man". But "ruled" with a "iron hand".
(Sounds familiar)
What is the saying? "Quite waters run deep."
Bishop Llorente was supposed to be disciplined by the Elders during the late 1920's.
The story tells that Brother Nava had convientiently "left to Mexico" to visit his relatives.
Brother Nava, aaccoring to the Two Pastors, that have gone to live with the Lord told this story.
They told that even though Brother Nava knew that a "candestine" meeting was scheduled to be in "Calexico"
to "remove" brother LLorente.
Brother Nava "left to Mexico" And did not return until he had been elected to be "The Pastor General", as this position was called then.
No "elections" were permitted for over 30 years while Brother Nava was President.
Brother LLorente had a cardiac problem and did not go to visit the churches as much as he had when he was younger.
He was well remembered as a "Dynamic eloquent Preacher" and a man that fasted for "many days at a time.
His first wife had died and he had re-married a lady by the name of Sister Peach.
When Bishop LLorente received the "notice by messenger" that he was to be present at a certain date for this meeting. He had a cardiac arrest and died.
When "the lynching committe" arrived they had the "sad news" that Bishop Llorente had died.
Bishop Llorente was still President of the Apostolic Assembly and he was faithful unto the end.
Unfortunately no one knows what "happend to his children".
Maybe you can "google" them..
It has been said, "that Sanchez and Valverde", "learned well..."
But they will get their vengence from the Lord. It's Bibical.
Hope this was of some help..
God bless you.
Thought for the day
Just in case you don't know, you can click on the little trash can symbol at the bottom of your comment and delete when you have submitted something more than once by error.
I thought I would shared this link with you all to see. I found it really interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38I55mZuSOY&feature=related
Camino voy:
Praise the Lord:
Thank you very much...
When I "click on my comment" it still remains on my screen. So I do not know when it goes through..
Thanks..
I have a difficult time with computers. But the persons that can illustrate this to me "refuses
' to help me. They tell me Iam absolutely "wasting" my time and energy on this "gone by issues".
But the Lord knows Iam saying the truth that "I am asked over and over to write it."
But before Brother Leybas arranged these blogs I had no clue how I could "enlighten" the younger generations to get the "big Picture", "review the past and
"repair the future"
"knowing the past."
Just to show you I looked into the
"Wikipedia the free encylopedia' and I was "shocked" at how distorted Daniel Ramirez,has written on the beginning of the AA.
Daniel Ramirez is very bitter with the AA and he has appointed himself to be the "Apostolic Assembly Historian". He has left out so many brother's names that to Daniel Ramirez mentality does not "give a peanut", as far as he is concerned.
The "brains" mentality behind the formation of the Constitution and By laws were by Brother LLorente and by Brother General Secretary Bernardito Hernandez, that came from a deep knowledgeable background of the Baptist Church.
HE WAS THE ONE THAT DID THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AND THE BY LAWS IN THE 1920's.
Brother Nava could not evn read or write. That's the truth.
Nor ever "spoke English"
But Daniel Ramirez is "very good" friends to them "guys" from Union City...owes them alot of favors and so he "does not give credit where "credit is due".
This is why they say.."History books are so distorted and such lies are written...
Daniel Ramirez, goes around all areas of different denominations, and "SELF APPOINTS" himself as the APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY DELEGATE>
His application was "denied" for ordination, by the previous administration. of the AA.For very justifiable cause of "his life endeavors".
His family all went UPC, but he "floats" around where ever the getting is "good."
But like the Bible states. "It is better" to get our rewards in Heaven. Iam sure Brother Arthur Hermosillo, Brother Bernardo Hernandez and others will get their "rewards" in Heaven.
That in the "great Eternity" is all over the very very "Best".
The reasons that I write this way about Brother Nava is because he got away with alot.. And all these "old men" of the Gb learned well from Brother Nava> He lived to be past 100.
If that is true,birth certificate dates.
The injustices that he did to the Churches. Took away the church here in Los Angeles and took it as his own from Brother Lupe Lara and
also from Brother David Pantagaes.
It was so painful....
Many people still remember what those two 'very large congregations suffered when their pastors were "lynched".
I understand that many people have been interviewed for the "next book of the History of the Apostolic Assembly," but knowing Sanchez and Valverde, they will be "splashed" all over the pages as the "doers", including all their buddies.
Excuse me for "over loading this on you" but I did not want to "blog twice."
God is good, His church will prevail in Jesus name. God bless you sister.
Thanks again.
To all bloggers:
Praise the Lord;
I just received a phone call to thank me for writing.
I do not feel very good about what I write.
But after reading the scriptures on "Esther and Romans", in the blogs, written by a Pastor I do not feel so bad.
Now could this be true that Daniel's Sanchez's brother Eliseo is in the Imperial Valley to be appointed for a Pastorship there?
Eliseo Sanchez is, according to my sources the man that was arrested, he and his wife for soliciting "friends" for his wife for Money.
He was at the time the pastor in a church some where near Houston, Texas.
Again I heard he went to a city in Nevada, where Brother Nava sent him and he did the same.
Now, Daniel Sanchez knows about this very well. It was "splashed" all over the Newspapers.
But the Bishop here in California tells me the Bishop from Texas and Nevada tell that apparently Eliseo Sanchez who is now Pastoring in Richmond, Virgina has alot of "goods" on his brother Daniel Sanchez and therefore most certainly Daniel's Sanchez hands are Tied.
Daniel Sanchez is very "scared" of what his brother Eliseo has on him.
He can "lynch" Pastors, but he does not Dare "lynch" his brother.
The wife of Eliseo Sanchez has stuck with him all these years.
It happened in Houston, Texas in 1969 and in Nevada in 1970's and now what..then he also pastored in Florida.
Coming to California?. Can you imagine bloggers the "anguish" Daniel Sanchez suffers.?
Brother Barrientos is related to Eva Sanchez. That means these people are totally dysfuntional.
No wonder Eddie Lopez and his wife Sonya abondoned the AA and left Sanchez and Eva alone.
Where Scotty and Henry?//
You men are obviously scared too.
thought for the day:
Put your violin away and get that chip off your shoulder. Really do you really care if Bishop Haney "paints" his hair? All that matters is what Bishop Haney has done for the church and what he continues to do. If he does "paint" his hair, it's no reason for you to let your panties get all ruffled. Besides you should be paying attention to other things, instead of looking at someone's hair color. Really that is so pathetic!!!
To jdm
Praise the Lord
Thank you very much for comparing me with "Fiddler on the Roof". Good analogy.
"Preach the word" "Preach it true."
Paul wrote to Timothy.
Okay so Ken Haney "paints"and you are mad at me. Who really cares?
I don't for sure...But I do not think its fair to "Bash our Sisters" for their fashsions" and their hair..
He "paints his hair." Good . He needs it good.
Sister Olive, his mother would be very disappointed. But if he "wants to be modern" Good but "Leave the women alone."
That's my point..But you must be related to him. I do not care,about his hair.. but he sure cares to "bash women." That's my point.
You all just don't get it.
You're brain washed...That's a Cult at its fullest........
THINK......YOU CAN'T/ ITS NOT MY FAULT...ITS YOURS.
Scared of who? Sanchez?
I'm the one who broke the Barrientos story.
To Henry:
Praise the Lord:
Since 1967 or 1969 the true story is that Eliseo Sanchez was pastoring a church near Houston, Texas..His wife was the"victim" of soliciting for $$. It was with men..Eliseo was part of the conspiracy..
When it was brought to "trial" in the church, Brother Nava then the PB. sent him to Nevada., then to Florida and now he pastors in Richmond, Va.
So now I read in the blogs Eliseo is coming to Imperial Valley for a church...???
What's going on? How's afraid of a confrontation. Iam because I'll loose my credentials with the AA.
It has never been brought fully out because alot of people are scared of Daniel Sanchez.
Knowing that you have done, great "Research"; La Opinion, Barrientos..I think you can do research on why Eliseo has continue to be a pastor all these years. People say that Eliseo has alot on his brother Daniel Sanchez.
Why did Sanchez "lynch" Bishop Baldemar, Salomon, Avila and Bishop Abel Torres and he does not do anything about his brother Eliseo who is still a full credential Pastor of the AA.
WHY??????????? FIND OUT YOU AND SCOTTY CAN.
My Great Grandmother Maria Fontes was baptised in Calexico and was a member of El Centro under Sanchez' papi.
My pleasure.....
(Thought for the day) when I said. Sanchez little brother I meant Steve Sanchez Not Eliseo,I undersatnd Steve Sanchez went to. Some church in Imperial Valley about 3 yeas ago,he was a minister at. Dan Sanchez church but I understand he lost his job here in L A so he wanted to get out of here I guss he was really broke so he he decided to go to Imperial Valley where he could get a church no questions asked..But I understand it's a small church and probably wants to end in El Centro where pastor Barrientos pastors..and about Eliseo well we all know that if your related to the right person you could get away with anything in our AA. Or if the right person likes you...is their any bloggers from Imperial Valleyy that could comment on the Sanchez brother..
I'm begining to sense that these leaders with family history have a sense of "entitlement".
Of all the people baptised over the years, do you mean to tell me the only qualified ones are the Valverde's, Sanchez, Pachecos, Maffey's of the world?
A Cult and a Mafia mixed together. Or is the correct term Religous Racketeering?
ACCION:
Is there a path to healing the church?
One thing for sure, there is a lot of repenting needed. And I do include myself in that statement.
To: Thought for the day
You sound like you know a lot of history about the AA, some of it is a little distorted.
You cut down on Daniel Ramirez quite a bit. I am not trying to defend the doctor who graduated from Yale University and is an assistant professor of religious studies at Arizona State, BUT...what are your credentials?
Dr. Ramirez has studied this stuff as part of his job. He is not self appointed, he is truly an expert on these matters.
I have not spoken to Dr. Ramirez but I can tell you without any doubt that Llorente left the AA orginazation after a moral failure.
I knew them all...Llorente,Nava...you name it! I am not here to try to dig up Llorente's past. It is pretty common knowledge to all of us who were a part of the circle of ministers at the time. We know what happened and with who.
This I do know!
As far as defending Nava, I won't do that, Nava was a stern man as I remember him. But one thing was that he always tried to keep the best interest of the organization, most of time.
It wasn't Nava that kept anyone from being president, (You are lying BIG time on this!)
If you have been around as long as I have and had been in the elections, you will know that they did not have term limits, the term limits came in much later.
Nava kept getting voted in over and over. As a matter of fact after Nava was president for a few years he was replaced by Cantu.
Get off your high horse Thought For the Day! You know nothing!ddgqxgy
Here'S my Thought For The day...
Where's Waldo??
lol jk thats not my thought...
my thought is I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, AND PACHECO ARE INFECTED WITH AN EVIL SPIRIT!! TO WATCH ALL THAT IS GOING ON AROUND THEM... CONGREGATION AFTER CONGREGATION LEAVING THE ORGANIZATION... AND FOR THE TRIO NOT TO BE ABLE TO STOP THIS OR EVEN ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG FOR WHAT THEY DID AND ARE GOING TO DO... SELL THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING HANDED IN... THEY ARE DEMONICALLY POSSESSED!
THEY HAVE DONE NO GOOD SINCE THIS WHOLE SITUATION CAME TO LIGHT...ONLY EVIL.
THEY ARE LOSING SOULS AND THEY COULDNT CARE N E LESS..
THEY DEVIL HIMSELF IS HAPPY THAT THEY ARE DOING HIS EVIL BIDDING HERE ON EARTH...
SANCHEZ... How Much Longer Will This Last? How Many More Souls Shall Be Turned Away... How Many More Pastors Are You Going TO BETRAY??
Valverde... HOW MUCH MORE MONEY DO YOU WANT?? IS HAVING A SUPER CHURCH GOING TO BE WORTH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?
Pacheco.... YOU ARE EVIL... IN THE FLESH...THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT YOU OR WHAT YOU DO... YOUR LIFE REVOLVES AROUND BRINGING DOWN OTHERS JUST FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL GAIN... although you didnt always used to live like this...
Lugo... YouUSED TO BE A LOVING PERSON... WHAT HAPPENED?
DONT LET THE TRIO INFECT YOUR SOUL AS WELL...
TO ALL OTHER PASTORS STILL INVOLVED WITH AAFJC...
DO NOT LET THE GB TALK FOR YOU... YOU NEED TO STAND FOR WHAT IS MORALLY AND SPIRITUALLY RIGHT... YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE DONT LET THAT EVIL TRIO TAKE AWAY YOUR VOICE, YOU ARE HUMAN, YOU ARE MEN DIRECTED BY GOD, YOU HAVE THE HOLY GHOST IN YOU,
DONT LET THIS EVIL DECIEVE YOU, INFECT YOU, OR ENGULF YOU... STOP THIS EVIL SPIRIT FROM INFECTIN ALL YOU CARE ABOUT. THE CHURCH...
-skotty
Lugo... TELL ME IT ISNT SO...
What Is Happening With The Funds Of THE WE CARE WE SHARE Program...
I Heard It From The Grapevine That you HAVE DONE SOME WITHDRAWLS WITH THE FUNDS...
IS THIS TRUE??
N E BODY KNOW ABOUT THE WE CARE WE SHARE PROGRAM???
-SKOTTY
To Antonio,
Praise the Lord:
Sorry to have offended you in giving information on "your friend", Daniel Ramirez.
He is not a "doctor", nor medical nor other wise.
He "claims" to be a "candidate" for a Doctorate from
"Duke University","claims this for SEVERAL years" but has not been "relized".
Call and find out
The phone number is (919) 684-8lll.
Duke is in Durham, North Carolina., as you well know.
And he is no longer teaching at Arizona State University that is located in Tempe, Arizona. Call and find out the number is (480)
965-9011.
"ON PRESIDING BISHOP FRANCISCO LLORENTE"
According to the "good testimony" on Presiding Bishop Francisco Llorente.
This true testimony was given to me by the following witnesses:
Bishop Jose Ortega, also Brother Rosario Lerma and also Brother Juan Meza, and also from Bishop Isaac Cota who is still able to give you this information.
Brother Isaac Cota received, this information,
FIRST HAND' from his father Bishop Epifanio Cota, who knew President Franciso Llorente very well.
Brother Llorente was a wonderful christian man with no "immoral "issues.
President Francisco Llorente was "going to be "lynched" by Brother Nava's influence.)
Not because Brother Nava did not love President Franciso Llorente.
Brother Nava "loved" Brother LLorente very very much..Brother Nava did all this in the name of Christian Love", as they all do.
Brother Nava did this to President F. LLorente because Brother Nava wanted to be "Pastoral General" as the Presidency of the Board, was then called.
But before President Francisco LLorente experienced this "hateful rejections from "the loving so Called "Saints" of that day.
The Lord took Brother LLorente.
Brother Nava was in Mexico, when the "lynching" was going to take place.
Brother Nava while in Mexico"got together" with the "Iglesia de Mexico, especially Bishop Rivas and "formed an alliance" for years. "You support me, I'll support you."
Brother Nava even "got credentials from "La Iglesia de Mexico" because he knew the PAW would not give him anything after President LLorentewas no longer Presiding Bishop. Bishop Llorente spoke and preach fluent English. Brother Nava did not.
And Brother Nava knew it was impossible to get credentials because he was " not an American Citizen."
Brother Nava did not return to Calexico "until he was summoned" by "Los hermanos", as the story tells in the book, "La Historia de La Asamblea Apostolica".
He could really "play the political "savve" Innate huh?
Brother Nava who was well and alive and "was overseer"on the whole Assambly "Story" .
He wanted to stay in Mexico, but the brothers "elected him" to be "El Pastor General".
He knew how to "rule" men.
Especially God fearing men that wanted to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
So Brother Nava had this advantage on these 'Humble first time" immigrants. Prayer, fasting, dedicated men of God. Of Faith and courage...THESE WERE OUR FOUNDERS.....Brother LLORENTE WAS KNOWN ACCORDING TO BROTHER ORTEGA TO HAVE BEEN A 'GREAT INTESSOR AND A MAN THAT FASTED FOR MANY DAYS AT A TIME..
Brother Nava wore a suit and "Tie", and the "Patron" image
evolved
Those "beloved white shirts, that they love so much..iNSTEAD OF ROBES AND SANDLES, AS THE 'EARLY CHURCH OF THE APOSTOLES.
There were "NO SANDLES,NO ROBES as the attire of the Early Church Apostoles."
Yet the Apostolic Doctrine was preached. "Abstain from this, abstain from that." Bashing on women length of hair.,DRESS AND SLEEVES, NO SANDLES, DO NOT SHOW YOUR TOES FOR WOMEN. Wearing "stocking" WEARING STOCKINGS FOR WOMEN WAS A MUST...EVEN IN THE 'GREAT DEPRESSION' WHEN THERE WAS NOT ANY MONEY. etc.,
"THEY REALLY HAVE A ' VERY SUSPICIOUS' TABOOS ON WOMEN..COULD IT CARNAL/"wOW.. TOO OBVIOUS FOR US INFORMED PEOPLE...?
But "the Men's suits and "attire" was in "Vogue"...
Please see the book, "La Historia De La Asamblea Apostolica" See the "fine" Armani Suits and those "beloved"WHITE SHIRTS...NO ROBES , NOR SANDLES..
IAM IN VOGUE, IN STYLE..
WOW...... How could we be so "blind" No wonder this has EXPLODED........
Brother Nava never formed a church.
He took over the "congregation from Pastor Lupe Lara here in Los Angeles on Wall street.
Many of the children of those families that sufferd the "lynching" of Pastor Lupe Lara were for many years in the AA. I think there are few "Old timers" LEFT.
(Iam not going to tell you what Pastor Lupe Lara was "accused" .
Iam baiting "other" to come of their "scared" syndrome and "speak".
THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE. IT STATES IN ROMANS AND IN ESTHER. THANKS FOR THE 'EARLIER BLOGGER'.
Their children have gone to other denominations.
Speaking once to the son of Pastor Lupe Lara. His son's name is "Bernie" used to go to churh occasionally to Canoga Park and Pacoima.
Brother Bernie, told me, many years ago.
He continue to tell me "If only I had the courage to "report Nava and Estrada to the INS, as undesirable aliens, for what they did to my father, Brother Lupe Lara."
The next church Brother Nava "took away from was Pastor David Pantages, the existing "El Siloe". here on Ferris streets.
This church ,of El Siloe I can see, has a questionable "generational undesirable scent." Its down to about 25 members.
The original church that Pastor David Pantages and his congregation purchased was called "La Hermosa", where the existing "El Siloe is here in Los Angeles, one block from Whittier Boulevard.
This Church of "La Hermosa" , Pastored by Pastor, David Pantages.,had sacrificed , as all other congregations to "purchase" this property. But he was "Lynch".
Puzzling to this day...Because somehow, someone said, "that Pastor David Pantages could not pastor for ex...reasons.."
But then Brother Nava appoints Pastor David Pantages as the Pastor of the church, a very "tiny" building. Situated in a "river bed terrain" that when the rains would come the whole little building would be flooded with "flash flooe.
It was through the great expertise and efforts of Bishop David Palma who worked endlessly to "repair the flooding situation." Bishop Palma was well educated and community involved and "worked"with the City to build that dam by the San Gabriel River.
That little church was
then "called" the church of Jim Town.
This is now where the West Whittier Church is. This property is on Esperanza street.
Bishop Palma, was instrumental in Building this large two story church still there on Esperanza street.
The church can be seen from the 605 Freeway in Whittier. This church of West Whittier has had soooooo many pastors.
Even Sanchez pastored there.
He was the culprit that hurt Bishop David Palma and his family so much.
Since then, it appears to have "some strong
generational scents", there too.
"Puzzlying to many and no one will believe me, that from "such a disciplined , appearing to be , respectful to God dedicated man this munipulations could "surge" from his mentality.
But the "Patron, Machismo, Nacionalismo, Mentality, if not maintained by the "Respect of God, can drive a selfish, ego centric individual to "self distruction.
We can see in this General Board. the same, the same, the same mentality.
Oh but one cares. "As long as we have our "little" kingdom" . Let the world "fold over.' And it sure is.
This my dear Brother Antonio, is where this "source has come from".
We "GOTTA" know the 'Past" to know the Present and the Future..
Be in denial...I do not care one bit....But those that "have discernment from God... we say"
"Wow the shoe sure fits"...
Daniel Ramirez, could have read many books and he can claim all kinds of "dissertations" but he is still one of them.
And to your susprize he does not care if you and I know it. He is proud of it and so is his brother..
He owes to the Union City groupees, the distorted History He has written. But in Heaven all will be "rewarded" to those that were negated here on this World.
To God be the Glory..
So this is why????Some did for "vain" purposes, "Power, money, control, munipuliation and self-gain."
Like Salomon in the Bible states
" ALL IS VANITY, ALL IS VANITY.'
SALOMON IN THE BIBLE FOUND THIS TRUTH TOO LATE.
THROUGH HIS ERRORS 'ISRAEL TILL THIS DAY IS SUFFERING.' \
'THOU SHALL NOT HAVE ANY OTHER gods
BEFORE ME."
SALOMON 'ALLOWED' IDIOLS...THE GB ALLOWS 'SELF GAIN, HATRED, FRAUD IN ELECTIONS, LACK OF RESPECT, LOVE OF MONEY AND POWER AND MUNIPULATION AND CONTROL.
THESE ARE DEFINATE;Y (IDOLS).
BUT GOD LOVES ISRAEL AND GOD LOVES US. GOD IS IN CONTROL...THE CHURCH WILL PREVAIL.
God bless you
So now this 'GENERATION' IS REPEATING THE SAME"
THANK YOU FOR BAITING ME....
Brother Pantages could not Pastor "La Hermosa" congregation any longer.
So Brother Nava moves the "El Siloe's congregation from another part in Los Angeles. And "La Hermosa's Church" is now named "El Siloe"
Merging two congregations...Quite a conflict....BUT WHAT A GAIN FOR BROTHER NAVA.
But then Pastor David was sent to West Whittier. Why there? and not "La Hermosa"?
This my dear Brother Antonio is "my distorted" HISTORY OF THE AA.
SOUNDS FAMILIAR// THAT'S WHY IAM TAKING MY TIME TO TELL YOU THIS.
ITS THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD..
GOD HAVE MERCY..
THANK YOU BROTHER ANTONIO FOR CARING.
THANK YOU BISHOP TORRES AND FAMILY.
'WAIT ON THE LORD, AGAIN I SAY WAIT ON THE LORD'.
But did Brother Nava care..."NO". His way was to "keep
QUITE' "had a MYSTICAL AURA" about him.
Somthing like "Aaron Jauquin," the founder of the 'IGLESIA LA LUZ DEL MUNDO' with its 'HEADQUATERS IN GUDALAJARA, Jalisco, Mexico.
This "cult" preaches the "oneness doctrine" and baptizes in "Jesus Name. came out of the "Iglesia de Mexico". The founder established "NEVER TO HAVE ELECTIONS'. ITS A MONARCY'
When Aaron, named after "Aaron, Moses's Brother died.
THIS CHURCH 'LA LUZ DEL MUNDO' WANTS ITS LEADERS TO BE NAMED "AARON,"
FROM THE ROYAL PRIEST HOOD, SO THEY CLAIM.
Brother Nava had. But his wonderful and handsome and wise sons would have never done that."
What do I care you may ask? That's true, and its none of my business" ,you may say again and again.
But The Youth of today that stay in the AA MUST KNOW THIS.
ITS ALREADY BEEN DONE..
THEY WILL SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEIR HYPOCRACY.
'THE GB IS NOW TOTAL TRANSPERANT'
But, Bishop Abel Torres, 'OVERTURNED THE APPLE CART' He was the "whistle blower and 'THE WHISTLE BLOWER IN A CORPORATION HAS ALOT OF PROTECTION FROM THE COURTS.
LETS' PRAY FOR HIM AND HIS PRECIOUS PRECIOUS WIFE.
As the years evolved and members of the AA became "interested"
and curious on the History of the AA. Of course "rumors" on Presidnet Francisco Llorente evolved as far as his "moral life."
He was critised for "marrying an anglo saxon woman. She was baptized in Jesus Name. But was not of Mexican hertiage.
Brother Nava did not like this.
We have often wondered what happened to his children?. Bishop Jose Ortega had tried to locate them but had no results.
Its no wonder they never wanted to have anything to do with the AA.
There was a very serious problem within the 'structure of the General Board. Other Board members wanted "a chance" at the Presidency.
This was discussed seriously and in "heated sessions" that 30 YEARS OF HAVING NO ELECTIONN NOT PERMITTED BY BROTHER NAVA WAS ENOUGH.......
He was "strongly supported by the IGLESIA DE MEXICO GENERAL BOARD
'The Iglesia de Mexico would be present in all General Conventions and if things "got tough for Brother Nava, well his "friend" Bishop Rivas would be there to advocate for him.
Brother Felipe Rivas had also been
Presiding Bishop for the same amount of years with "no elections "PERMITTED'
They had "learned" this from LA LUZ DEL MUNDO' THAT STILL EXISTS.
So tell me my dear brother who was "ready to confront this two PATRONES', and not get fired.
OR "LYNCHED"........
IIts the same old today, those that "dared got "lynched"
Bishop Cirilo Leyba left the AA also , Brother Navarro left, Brother Juan Martinez left, Brother Pablo Garcia Chavez left with a very large family.
So finally, utilizing the issue of the "American Citizen" they "got Brother Nava. Brother Hermosillo and Bishop Cota VERY VERY SMART....
Spoke English fluently and had a 'GREAT FOLLOWING IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS STATE.
So in conclusion " ElectionS were not "allowed" for 30 Years.
When they did "allow" elections there were no "amount of years" set for being in office.
Brother Nava did not "like this either"
So eventhough he may not have been "president" he certainly had the "first and final word."
He still 'RULED THE ROOST.' BIG TIME...HE HAD THE MEXICAN CHURCH SUPPORT...
(Except Bishop Maclovio Gaxiola).
To Bishop Maclovio we own alot to. The first "print shop" for the church. The "First Exceheta," the establishing of the first Bible Institute in Mexico City.
Bishop Gaxiola was highly intelligent...."Knew their mentality." With his "words and great intellec "vocabulary" and knowledge of the word of God . "No one could "defeat him". Unfortuantely he died so young and so forunately Bishop Cota also left to be with the Lord in his early 60's.
These two Bishops would have "had better" control of the Brother Nava syndrome and would have not "stood for any man made nonsence."
I think he was also like them. But he loved people and was "more gentile".
"HE COULD PREACH...NEVER BASHED, NEVER BASHED WOMEN...HAD A WONDERFUL SWEET DEDICATED WIFE..
But Efrain Valverde, changed this and he got "LYNCHED"
anyway.Brother Efraim "changed" that the Gb could "only run
" for two terms in their assigned position .
Because he was an "obstacle for Brother Nava. You did not "mess" with Efraim Valverde. Brother Nava 'MET HIS MATCH'
THAT WAS THE END OF VALVERDE IN THE AA.
Sorry, if I have "distored" your History, but you asked me?
God blessing be with yuu.
Are you related to Brother Nava. Actually I loved him very much...
I could say other things but I personally know he was very human...
Sweet lovely wonderful precious family. And his sweet, hospitable wife.
General Secretary Epifanio Cota and General Tresurer of the AA Brother Arturo Y.Hermosillo, Bishop Pablo Garcia Chavez and others wanted to "finally" have an election in the late 1940's and into the very early 50's.
Brother Nava, ruled as a very stern man as you said, he was "stern"..And did not permit elections.
But the "old timer" Bishops of that day ,"got Brother Nava" "good." THE GOT HIM THROUGH HIS MEXICAN CITIZENSHIP THAT BROTHER NAVE WOULD NOOOOOT RELINQUISH.
They said that the Presiding Bishop of the AA had to be according to the articles of incorporation , "American Citizen."
This is where "they got Nava". Brother Nava refused to "become an American Citizen". He could not afford to give up his Mexican Citizenship.
There was no dual citizenship at that time)
So Brother Nava "knowing he owned alot of property in Mexico, by Rosarito Beach and by Ensenada, he "could not longer be President.
He could not afford to "lose that land." IT WAS EITHER TO CONTINUE TO BE PRESIDING BISHOP OR TO GIVE UP HIS MEXICAN CITENSHIP AND 'LOSE HIS RIGHT TO OWN LAND IN MEXICO.'
HE CHOSE 'HIS LAND'.
BUT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT 'AGAIN', after sssssssss14 years. the AA corporation had ALREADY BEEN ESTABLIHSED AS A CORPORATION AND THE BY LAWS.
AND VERYH 'STRANGE' HOW IF YOU STUDY THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION OF ANY OF HIS SIGNATURES HE WOULD ALWAYS SIGN;
'ANTONIO, WITH AN 'A' ANTONIA C. LOPEZ AND NOT NAVA...
SMART? Very........WHY/ FIGUIRE IT OUT. I DID BUT I WILL NOT TELL YOU. (these papers are in the GB Offices) Maybe you can get to see them. I have...
This is the truth....
All the following Presidents of the AA had problems with Brother Nava.
Yes, its true. They did not have "a limited" time on how many years to be in the Presidency.
After Valverde made into office. The "Opened elections" were cancelled. He introduced "La Calificadora" Actually its been" called 'LA DESCLIFICADORA'
Because it really does "disqualify.
AUTOMATICALLY ALL THE BISHOPS were qualified as candidates. If he was a active or past Bishop those were the requirements for the Presidency. For the other GB positions. Elders or Pastors. THERE WAS NO QUALIFING OR DISQUALIFING'.
IF THEY WERE BISHOPS THEY WERE AUTOMATICALLY 'QUALIFIED'
But Brother Efraim Valverde "introduced" LA CALIFICADORA' AND NOW MARTIN DEL CAMPO INTRODUCTED THE C.I.D.
Both "introductions" were orginated, and copied, from 'LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO."
In actuality the "True Board" according to the Constitution written by Brother Bernardo Hernandez and Brother Hermosillo and others".
Daniel Ramirez, gives "no credit to these men." Only to Nava that could not even "read or write" either in English or Spanish.
Brother Nava wore"great looking suits. See it in the book, 'LA HISTORIA DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA'.
THIS WAS SHOCKING....FOR THE USA AND THE WORLD WERE FACING 'THE GREAT DEPRESSION''..
BUT WEARING A SUIT AND TIE...
'THE GREAT PATRON IMAGINE'
Especially coming from the "source of proverty stricken immigrants and migrant workers, their tithes and offering. What a shame.. and How selfish...
But "this" vogue look was necessary to Obtain the "respect" of 'MI PATRON'
QUITE, SHRUD AND CONTROLLING...NO LIE JUST FACTS...
The ladies? well, 'NEVER MIND, THEY WERE 'LUCKY"IF THEY own ONE DRESS...
DRESSED LIKE THE LADIES DURING THE 'WOGAN TRAIN' EXPEDITION..
Brother Nava never 'PERMITTED, NOR ALLOWED HIS WIFE TO WEAR THE 'VELO" AS SUCH.. hE WOULD TELL HER "TAKE OF THAT RAG." "QUITATE esa GUARA."
HE would "enforce" all the other "Women to wear hats" during his reign.
"Got this fashion, from the Pentescostal Assemblies of the World. THE ONENESS BLACK PENTECOSTAL ASSEMBLIES OF THE WORLD.
The "veil came in when the "mantilla" look came from Mexico's influence..
The veils, as a covering as the Bible states, is the look of the
Patriach Era. Like Leah, that 'fooled Jacob" The "women of old" as Peter teaches is like the Early Church Primitive Look"
But then the Men of AA and MEXICAN Church nor the UPC are with "look" of the Primitive Church Apostles look" "Robes and Sandles>"
(You'll soon read my book, if you want too. I guess you can say you read a "large introduction" of it. ) I do not think you will ever want to hear from me. But you "baited" me my dear Brother Antonio.
The Original Board Memebers consisted of "four eight board members"
Pres., Vice, Pres.; General Secretary, Assistent Secretary;,
Tresurer, ans assistent Tresurer.
The "rest of the board" were only
"Committies" and Had no vote.
Brother Hermosillo and Brother Cota, nor Brother Chavez or others
ever become Presidents.
All of them were "quite" summisive", except Brother Hermosillo, Arturo. He had a very
"strong personality."
You must know the rest. But the "one that really "confronted" and "bucked horns" with Brother Nava, was Brother Efraim Valverde.
EVERYTHING THAT A PRESIDING BISHOP
WANTED TO DO OR IMPROVE...It had to be approved by Brother Nava.
It was a "heavy duty struggle" to get approval to "organize the Dorcas, Varones, and Messengers of Peace. Brother Nava did not like 'change nor growth".
He was anmant on Organizing the "Dorcas" But again the Mexican Church came to the RESCUE.
BISHOP JOSE ORTEGA WOULD NOT 'TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER'''
THE 'DORCAS' HAD ALREADY BEEN ORGANIZED IN MEXICO. HIS WONDERFUL WIFE BEING THE FIRST PRESIDENT.
BROTHER NAVA WAS 'OVER RULED' SISTER ORTEGA WAS BISHOP RIVAS sister>..
THE DORCAS HAVE MEXICO TO THANK FOR THAT......
Fortunately for the AA that we had
a "Great man" that would "nuturalize", the situation, from a "Stalin" mentality and that "Genius of Man" was MACLOVIO
Gaxiola from Mexico.
He could see through the "Machismo, Patronismo and Nacionalismo" and "Nava"
Stern, quite and EGO Centric.
I remember Brother Ortega telling me years ago, that when Brother Nava was in his death bed at one of daughter"s house. Brother Nava called Brother Ortega to his bed-side.
Brother Nava told Brother Ortega. "Vamos a orar al Senor, para que nos perdone por todas las personas "Que mandamos al infierno."
Bishop Ortega confided many other things to me that I will never tell and he wrote me regularly hence I have this valuable History of the AA and Mexico.
Bishop Ortega also had "great rivals in the Church. This is why he came to the USA. I'll keep the rest to myself, cause I loved Brother Ortega very much. He has a great and precious familyu.
But I say to you Brother Antonio, remember "We are saved by Grace and not by Works".
This is the "reason" , many say that the AA, although it has the doctrine of the Apostoles and of the Primitive Church, left by Jesus Christ. The AA has alot of "self righteous, ignorant men that think the AA is "THIER OWN'
JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DESTROYED THEIR LIVES BY MARRYING 'THE WRONG WOMAN' AND BEING MISERABLE, THIS IS THE SOURCE OF ALL THEIR BITTERNESS TOWARD WOMEN.
They want to "possess the AA , and forget its God's church.
It was said once by a great Warrior, General Patton. That in order to "understand the present and the future "WE MUST KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE PAST."
Many people are very 'mean and angry' because I may not know alot, but I have "been blessed" to have had "great mentors" in my life.
Great Men of God.
I saw them "Keep quite" not make a War out their "disqualifing experiences."
There are hundreds of Pastors in the AA that know this history. Many 3rd-4th., generation. They have "suffered" being humilated, mistreated and disqualified and 'SAID NOTHING'.
Now that we are "speaking out" about the "past" to understand the "past" and the "future" of our beloved Church, If there is 'ANY FUTURE'.
I am called,a "Stupid idiot", and to "Shut Up" and that I have "distorted History"....
The one that has "distorted "our AA History is certainly Daniel Ramirez, and I will tell him to his face. I know his "life style" and I know it "well". He has to ask forgiveness to many young men.
And especially to God.
But remember we "Are saved by grace and not by works.", my dear brother. Thank God for that blessed hope..Thank God for Calvary.
Bishop Abel Torres was used by God to "explose" all this mess from "Fraud in elections" And he was "black balled" and "Lynched' by being removed as Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus" But Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco and especially Aguilar will "surely" be held responsible for this.
You "gallos" learned "good" didn"t you. But now we know your "tactics" and in the "short run" you will lose...You'll see.
Remember a civilization "falls' from within".
The Pastors instead of "leaving must do a "Recall". Get a good lawyer and "fight from within".
Where are your Prayers?
I love you too. God bless. Good night.
Thought for the day:
I want to tell you that no doubt you know a lot of things. Unfortunately I have to say that some of your information is still distorted.
As far as Dr. Ramirez, I understand that there might be issues with his lifestyle. Whether he has reconciled with God, that is between him and His maker. You seem to condemn him as any legalist would do.
I will tell you that yes I personally knew these men you mention. I can tell you who there wives were, I can tell who their children were. I personally spoke and knew 95% of the people you mention...and on a first name basis.
However, you talk about a lot of stuff you don't know about. Mundo de Luz church didn't start until many years later. Do you remember when they were threatening hermanos and even had to have police and security at the Iglesia in Mexico's convention in Guadalajara?
Anyway, I agree with you on about 50% of the stuff you are saying, but I know my history from having lived it. I spoke to Ortega, Rivas, Cota, Nava, Cantu, Pantages, Llorente(a few times) and many of the newer leaders, Lorenzo,etc...
I know that Llorente left because of a moral failure. That I can guarantee you on.
As far as Nava, I am not related to the man. I will tell you this I got to speak to the man and his wife on many occassions and you are correct about him having a preference on sister Lolita only wearing hats, you are correct on this. I still beleive you are distorting and embellishing the reasons why she did so... Those comments are from people that were jelous of him.
You distort the truth about Nava being the only one wearing nice three piece suits.
I have pictures of most of the old timers that could be used for a AA history photo album that would blow your mind.
In those pictures just about everyone wore real nice three piece suits. Including all of the board from Mexico. Yes you can see some of the humble pastors in the background wearing suit coats with only a white shirt and no tie. But give any of the leaders and you will find that they ALL wore nice suits.
Perhaps you are only referring to the pictures in the AA album(the blue one that came out in the early 70's)
Did you know that there was one that came out before that one. Just a few hundred in print?
Thought for the Day: No doubt you have your information about some of the history, I was actually impressed because I find very few heavy weights about the history of the AA. But you have your information a little distorted. It is somewhat inaccurate.
I hope you pass your book through some good source because unfortunately some of this stuff is incorrect. Efrain also wrote a book and he also distorted some of the AA history, I will leave this at that.
whereisthought for today:
Thanks.Wherecan I purchase your book?
I know where you live. You live in Modesto. Why do you say you life in Southern California.
Maybe you are afraid. You know too much on the Ramirezes.
Keep up the good information. We sure can agree its beneficial to study the GB of now.
Skotty Will Show You said...
Here'S my Thought For The day...
Where's Waldo??
lol jk thats not my thought...
my thought is I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, AND PACHECO ARE INFECTED WITH AN EVIL SPIRIT!! TO WATCH ALL THAT IS GOING ON AROUND THEM... CONGREGATION AFTER CONGREGATION LEAVING THE ORGANIZATION... AND FOR THE TRIO NOT TO BE ABLE TO STOP THIS OR EVEN ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG FOR WHAT THEY DID AND ARE GOING TO DO... SELL THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING HANDED IN... THEY ARE DEMONICALLY POSSESSED!
THEY HAVE DONE NO GOOD SINCE THIS WHOLE SITUATION CAME TO LIGHT...ONLY EVIL.
THEY ARE LOSING SOULS AND THEY COULDNT CARE N E LESS..
THEY DEVIL HIMSELF IS HAPPY THAT THEY ARE DOING HIS EVIL BIDDING HERE ON EARTH...
SANCHEZ... How Much Longer Will This Last? How Many More Souls Shall Be Turned Away... How Many More Pastors Are You Going TO BETRAY??
Valverde... HOW MUCH MORE MONEY DO YOU WANT?? IS HAVING A SUPER CHURCH GOING TO BE WORTH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?
Pacheco.... YOU ARE EVIL... IN THE FLESH...THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT YOU OR WHAT YOU DO... YOUR LIFE REVOLVES AROUND BRINGING DOWN OTHERS JUST FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL GAIN... although you didnt always used to live like this...
Lugo... YouUSED TO BE A LOVING PERSON... WHAT HAPPENED?
DONT LET THE TRIO INFECT YOUR SOUL AS WELL...
TO ALL OTHER PASTORS STILL INVOLVED WITH AAFJC...
DO NOT LET THE GB TALK FOR YOU... YOU NEED TO STAND FOR WHAT IS MORALLY AND SPIRITUALLY RIGHT... YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE DONT LET THAT EVIL TRIO TAKE AWAY YOUR VOICE, YOU ARE HUMAN, YOU ARE MEN DIRECTED BY GOD, YOU HAVE THE HOLY GHOST IN YOU,
DONT LET THIS EVIL DECIEVE YOU, INFECT YOU, OR ENGULF YOU... STOP THIS EVIL SPIRIT FROM INFECTIN ALL YOU CARE ABOUT. THE CHURCH...
-skotty
August 31, 2008 4:15 PM
Skotty Will Show You said...
Lugo... TELL ME IT ISNT SO...
What Is Happening With The Funds Of THE WE CARE WE SHARE Program...
I Heard It From The Grapevine That you HAVE DONE SOME WITHDRAWLS WITH THE FUNDS...
IS THIS TRUE??
N E BODY KNOW ABOUT THE WE CARE WE SHARE PROGRAM???
-SKOTTY
August 31, 2008 4:22 PM
Dear Brother Antonio.
You live in Arizona?
Well I have reason to believe I know you...Is someone else writing for you.?
The book Iam talking about "La Historia de La Asamblea Aposotlica", published in 1960's is really an autobiography about Brother Nava.
Its suppose to be the "story of the Assembly, but its not.
I loved the man, don't get me wrong. He loved me too.. but its not "his Assembly"...It was not Brother LLorente. Either..
They were "there at the "right time" To be used by God to continue the Primitive Church's "The Great Commission"
But when they start"fighting" for positions and $$$ and power, and giving each other postions that are "man made" and control I get very angry..Everyone else does too. Some have left, others will and others "stay and take it" But thanks to these "blogs we can say the truth and nothing but the truth. If I was telling lies I would not remember this "far" back. I Only remember the "truth"/
"Its about "team work". God's team work. Like it says in that "Old Beautiful song" by Brother Marcial de La Cruz" "SOMOS UN CUERPO EN CRISTO CON DIFERENTE DON. DIACONOS Y MINISTROS Y LA CONGREACION.
Brother Rosario Lerman told me many years ago, that one time there was a "big hassle" and argument in one of the ministerial meeting. Officianting was Brother Nava. It was "heavy" . So Brother Marcial de La Cruz left the meeting went outside, and in about Half an hour he came in and told those in the "heated" discussion that we wanted to sing a song and he sang that song to them. It "cooled down the meeting. We are all disciples of "Christ Kingdom
Yes Daniel Ramirez has "distorted the History of the "AA"
much more than you think , that I have.
What ever his "lifestyle and his issues" they are NOT any of my concern...But I only say, "leave it where it is and do not bring it to our young youth".
If these are his "hang ups its not our fault..so do not contaminate others"those issues "only God can heal, they are too deep and too "old. and too painful, to resolve alone.
Especially in the CHURCH....
I also quoted the word of God. We are saved by Grace and not by Works" So that's between him and God.
Iam not condemning anyone...never...but Iam saying, like the Bible states."Give honor where its due".
He has left out many families...
Because he is in the same old same old as "Union City" .
As far as the book is concerned the book entitled, "La Historia de la Asamablea Apostolica" it was printed in 1960 by brother Jamaiel Saucedo from San Bernardino who had a printing Press.
I understand from the AA book store that if you need that book you better get it quickly, because Martin Del Campo was Ordered by
Samuel Valverde to "sell" the Printing equipment because it was
not "any good" and any way his son of Sam Valverde has a "printing business" and the business can be sent to his son.
Imagine after it cost thousands of dollars to get the printing equipment and now they sell it.
Who gives them that authority.
The Pastors, we are asleep. We do not want our "little kingdoms" distrub.
There is another book,(Blue) but it is with its "rights" to La Iglesia de Mexico" given by Bishop Jose Ortega. This book "Mis Memorias" were personal memoirs of Brother Ortega's journey. His son Benjamin Ortega did a great job.
The "Dorcas" did a "blue" book also sort of a "scrap" book of nothing but pictures.
This book did not sell very well, because most of "Dorcas" gave pictures to be in the book of "before conversion to the Lord" All with "very short hair, wearing jewelry and of course lipstick and make up.
They looked very nice. Before converting. Did not go very well.
La Luz Del Mundo Church was established in the 1940's by a man by the name of AAron Joaquin...
He was formerly baptized in Jesus Name in the Iglesia de Mexico"/
The "revolution" "riot" in Gadalajara was because of recently published book by my dearest friend Dr., Manuelito Gaxiola, PHD., from Oxford, England.
He had done his first book while studying at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena and had included in his research that "AAron Joauin had his "roots " from La Iglesia Apostolica in Torreon, Coah>,
This INFRUATED THE MEMBERS OF LA LUZ DEL MUNDO'
They rioted at The Benito Juarez, Stadium in Gadalajara. I was there. We could not get into the stadium unless we had Pastorial I.D. It was rough.
But by that time La Iglesia la Luz Del Mundo had been "well established.
A few years ago , En La Ultima Hora, by "reoorter Graus" in "Univison" in Miami, Florida carried a story on that church. It was for about three days...Did you hear about it?. It was on the "torrid information that was carried on by Joaquin, their Prophet from Guadalajara, that according to the report "forced members to give all their salaries, and left them very little money. Also forced them into "hard labor" constructing churches, with no pay and the forced attire for the women to dress as the "primitive church."
The report also included serious allegations on "women as labors" in the Pastors homes. To be "maids" for no money.
Did you hear about.? The report classified it as a mind controling "cult"
There is in Los Angeles one of the biggest churches that meet daily at 5 a.m. every day.No instuments. All "acapalla" singing. One of these churches is situated adjacent to the 60 Freeway, near Atlantic and First streets in East Los Angeles.
Hope I answered all your inquiries. May the Lord continue to bless you and keep you in "good health.
Dear Scotty:
My dear brother in the Lord:
WOULD YOU LEAVE, IF YOU WERE GIVEN
$10,OOO,OO. EVERY FOUR WEEKS, PLUS ABOUT $4,OOO.OO FROM YOUR CHURCH EVERY FOUR WEEKS. PLUS CREDIT CARDS ,PAID; CARS AND SPENDING EXPENSES AND ALL UTILITIES PAID AND JET SETTING (FIRST CLASS)
IF YOU COULD SLEEP EVERY DAY UNTIL 1P.M. AND GOLF, GET 'SPORTS SEASON TICKETS' AND HAVE ALL EXPENSES PAID TO ALL'MAKE BELIEVE MEETINGS' AND ESPECIALLY CONVENTIONS' WITH SUITES. FOR YOUR SPOUSE AND SNOTHER ONE FOR YOUR KIDS.
HAVE A FULLY PAID 'TIME SHARE IN HAWAII AND PUERTO VALLARTA, AND IN 'VEGAS'
THE ANSWER IS NO.....YOU WOULD NOT LEAVE...NO MATTER WHAT WAS 'THROWN AT YOU FOR ALL YOUR DOINGS.
THAT'S WHY?
NO........YOU WOULD NOT LEAVE....
THAT'S WHY SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, AGUILAR, MAFFAY, (ma), VICTOR PRADO, ARTIE,AND DELCAMMPO WILL 'ENDURE' WHATEVER THE BLOGGERS SEND THEM...
THE 'PAY SURPASSES EVERYTHING'
THAT'S YOUR ANSWER.
BUT IF AN AUDIT IS DEMANDED.
THEY WILL CERTAINLY BE 'RECALLED'/
REMEMBER 'GOVERNOR DAVIS' WAS RECALLED HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
WELL YOU 'MUST' ALL 'HAVE A 'RECALL' ON THEM GUYS.
WHERE ARE THE PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEYS...PLEASE.......ACT..
I HAVE A FEELING YOU GUYS CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT..
YOU CAN DEMAND AND 'AUDIT' SINCE THE AA IS A NON-PROFIT CORPORATION...
WHERE ARE YOUR EXPERTISE????
GOD BLESS YOU... WE ARE REALLY PRAYING FOR YOU.
dear Brother Antonio:
You "baited" me enough. I will say goodbye...
thank God I know that I know what I have lived and I know my history...
Also the History of the AA.
You were nice to my comments, but as soon as I said Daniel Ramirez is completely and totally distorted in the history of the AA you "turned" on me..
Maybe your are Ramirez...
He is totally "bias". I knew his father very "well"...If you know what I mean..No wonder?
God bless you.
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
let's see if i don't get these deleted!!!!!!
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
FIND OUT WHO SKOTTY IS!!!
IT'S HERE!!! I KNOW YOU AND SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT... I WILL E-MAIL EVERYONE I KNOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
Teetime, WOW!!! And I mean WOW.... Now, what's your point??? How about investigating the GB and then get back to us and let us know who's behind all this corruption. Is that a done deal!!
Thougt for the day:
I am not going to sit here and argue with you. And no I am not Daniel Ramirez or am I related to him.
I don't like when people put other people down. I also don't like when people distort or embellish the truth.
BTW, I did'nt get my information from Daniel Ramirez or AA history lesson from Daniel Ramirez.
To be honest with you, I DON'T agree that the video he(Dr. Ramirez) did for the AA or Dan Sanchez. Because it was also inaccurate. They portray Nava as the sole founder and leader of the AA. On this you and I can agree, but overall Dan has been correct on the history of the Iglesia and AA.
They seem to leave out all of history about Llorente. Part of that is because of Llorente having had a moral failure.
For your information, Dr. Ramirez did not give his historical view because of the his "alleged" good friend in Union City.
The reason he wrote pumped up Nava is because that is how Dan Sanchez wanted the video. I knew the Doctors dad real well and his wonderful baritone voice. I am sure you remember him singing "Our Father, which art in heaven". He would but chills down you spine. You probably know the rest of his family just like I do.
You mention Dr. Gaxiola by his nick name "Manuelito". That is a good sign that you also know him.
I think you are pretty legitimate. We are talking the same language and I think we agree quite a bit on the history of the churches.
But, I also know the history of the AA and the Iglesia very well. I lived and traveled amongst the early and latest leaders.
HAHAHA
TEETIME...
SO MUCH TIME WASTED... hahahahaha
i laugh at you ....
Fontana boys... Flora Azules... You WIll SOON KNOW SKOTTY...
YOU WILL SOON KNOW WHAT HE CAN DO...
YOU WILL SOON KNOW WHY PEOPLE DONT MESS WITH SKOTTY...
you've messed with the bull...
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE HORNS!!!
NOT A THREAT... A PROMISE
TIMMY ... AND ALL OF YOUR HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS.... JUST KNOW ... I AM EVERYWHERE...
JUST ASK THOSE THAT HAVE SEEN MY FACE...BY protection of GOD they do not remember my face...
SEE YOU AT CHURCH!
-SKOTTY
ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!
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IF THE Godlyboys think that texas is unholy....They need to look at fontana....
OK??
Isnt there something in the const.. about wearing wedding bands... how bout jewlery... mini skirts....
the way that most of those people go to church isnt like they are going to GODS house...
they are going just to SHOW OFF THEIR NEW CLOTHES... ITS FASHION WEEK IN FONTANA!!!!
NOW I KNOW WHY SAM HAS A HARD TIME KEEPING THE ASSEMBLY TOGETHER...
1. CAN'T KEEP HIS CHURCH IN ORDER...
2. CAN'T GET HIS SON TO LIKE WOMEN.
3. ALWAYS LOOKING BEHIND HIM TO MAKE SURE IM NOT AROUND!
Thought for the day:
I think I know who you are.
You were a former youth leader and contemporary of John Ortega, right?
If this is you, I have much respect for what you have been through in your life and yet you still serve the Lord.
If not God bless you anyway.
No need to contend with me I am on your side. We just know history a little different from each other.
Most of the stuff you say is right about the current situation in the AA. The history part you are talking about? That I am having a problem with. But it is no big deal for me. We can agree to disagree on certain details.
To the idiot who thinks he knows who skotty is:
You say that Jose has never come out in any of the videos?
Get a life, get an education, and get JESUS.
Look at the first video and look at these times:
1:18
2:42
3:36
5:14
you are WAAAAYYY off buddy!!!
jajajaja!
its so hilarious how you would go through SO much trouble to hack into our site just to know how we are doing!
ahahahahah!
so why the obsession with skotty, huh?
don't tell me all you flor azulers in fontana have a crush on him!
an in case you have any more doubts...
check out video 2
5:50 (look to the left of the screen... no, moron. your other left)
Skotty Will Show You said...
HAHAHA
TEETIME...
SO MUCH TIME WASTED... hahahahaha
i laugh at you ....
Fontana boys... Flora Azules... You WIll SOON KNOW SKOTTY...
YOU WILL SOON KNOW WHAT HE CAN DO...
YOU WILL SOON KNOW WHY PEOPLE DONT MESS WITH SKOTTY...
you've messed with the bull...
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE HORNS!!!
NOT A THREAT... A PROMISE
TIMMY ... AND ALL OF YOUR HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS.... JUST KNOW ... I AM EVERYWHERE...
JUST ASK THOSE THAT HAVE SEEN MY FACE...BY protection of GOD they do not remember my face...
SEE YOU AT CHURCH!
-SKOTTY
ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!
September 1, 2008 11:04 AM
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September 1, 2008 11:06 AM
Skotty Will Show You said...
IF THE Godlyboys think that texas is unholy....They need to look at fontana....
OK??
Isnt there something in the const.. about wearing wedding bands... how bout jewlery... mini skirts....
the way that most of those people go to church isnt like they are going to GODS house...
they are going just to SHOW OFF THEIR NEW CLOTHES... ITS FASHION WEEK IN FONTANA!!!!
NOW I KNOW WHY SAM HAS A HARD TIME KEEPING THE ASSEMBLY TOGETHER...
1. CAN'T KEEP HIS CHURCH IN ORDER...
2. CAN'T GET HIS SON TO LIKE WOMEN.
3. ALWAYS LOOKING BEHIND HIM TO MAKE SURE IM NOT AROUND!
September 1, 2008 11:10 AM
Loco Valdez (Teetime)
I think someone hit a nerve..the nerve is twitching with slander and defamation!
How low can the GB go? The General Board is resorting to this?
That R4J site looks pretty neat, I think I'm going to join!
The GB does know they're promoting R4J at the same time rebuking them right?
The original factsonly1 in front of God almighty!
P.S. Pastor Zuniga is my Hero!!
its funny how ppl on here tell us just to leave and let it all go...
yet their own LEADERS wont listen to them...
My GB(evil) laugh -> mwahahahahahaahah
How cheap is the GB that they actually pay for a research team that tells everyone what they already know?
mwahahahahahahahah
This was a good laugh!
They should of just hired the teletubbies, they would have had a better team and outcome!
So who else is going to the Court hearing tomorrow?
Our D. Sanchez will be lying under oath, I think we all should be there!
I think his lines are going to go something like this...
"I did not have relations with Barrientos"
"I do not recall"
News Flash: Word in the east coast is that someone did major graffitti at Pachecos church building. How true is that on the west Coast?
To Teetime: You have just been threatended. Please take it serious. I work for a very high profile lawfirm who represents public entities (i.e. Sheriff, Police, etc.). I have access to FBI and Homeland Security. All you have to do is report Skotty's email to the police and they will find out who Skotty is and trust me you can get a restraining order on him for yourself and the Church of Fontana.
Good Luck!
teetime...
what is your point?
thoughtfortheday,
where can i obtain your book?
beth
"Disappointed said...
To Teetime: You have just been threatended. Please take it serious. I work for a very high profile lawfirm who represents public entities (i.e. Sheriff, Police, etc.). I have access to FBI and Homeland Security. All you have to do is report Skotty's email to the police and they will find out who Skotty is and trust me you can get a restraining order on him for yourself and the Church of Fontana.
Good Luck!
September 1, 2008 2:10 PM
"
LOl...
mess with the bull you get the horns is a threat now?
lol
common metaphor dude... lol
LOL
GO TO CHURCH!
dissapointed
this isnt what you think...this is not a physical threat nor anything like that. take a chill pill! if you have followed all these blogs you will know that this is just an attempt to expose eachother. it means that skotty is gonna expose the florazulers and the florazulers are trying to expose who skotty is. (the identities of one another) slow your roll dissapointed. lol
nonanonymous said...
dissapointed
this isnt what you think...this is not a physical threat nor anything like that. take a chill pill! if you have followed all these blogs you will know that this is just an attempt to expose eachother. it means that skotty is gonna expose the florazulers and the florazulers are trying to expose who skotty is. (the identities of one another) slow your roll dissapointed. lol
hahahahahahahaha
seriously if he actually follows the posts i have been threatened a bunch of times... NOT WITH METAPHORS... LOL
btw teetime.. you made a video about people on a PRIVATE FORUM...
tisk tisk tisk.. i hope jose and jessy dont sue!
REVOLUTIONARIES FOR JUSTICE NETWORK IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE THIS IS...
IT IS A PRIVATE FORUM...
skotty
lmao...this is so very entertaining. who needs the tube?
everybodys skeletons are coming out of the closet(EVERYBODYS)and all the stuff that we used to just sweep underneath the rug is just not fitting any more!
beth
anyone,
is dan ramirez related to roberto ramirez? is that his father?
Teetimne: We prosecute email and cell phone threats. Take it serious.
disappointed
lmao...it wasnt a threat! anyone would know that!!
oh snap! but you're just not anyone! you "work" for a high profile law firm....lmao!
Please Fontana:
Class? What class?
No matter how they dress, from Wal Mart or K-Mart or "Nieman Marcus, Nordstrom or from Rodeo." Class "comes" from within...Its God given. Its called "innate
annointment".
As long as you "attend" Fontana's church, or Sanchez or Corona' or Aguilar"s or South Gate, or Santa Ana's (Ma)'s Church you are not "considered" to any class.
Why? Because you are the "by product" of fraudlent individuals who you call Pastors.
What "Class" does Sam Valverde and Raquel havebeing both from Tijuana, a border town that has such "struggles" to survive and therefore if people do not "get a hold of the Lord" can and totally "lose" their conscience because of the "great tug of war".
I cannot make a "generalization and say all people from "Tijuana" are like Raquel and Valverde. No, I know people that are very God conscience and caring.
But these two are so "Shot gun wedding put together" that they have "lost their purpose with God."
What is Sam going to do when he completes the Church and it will empty?.. Because his members will definately leave...Its just a matter of time...Timmy....fault.
That is what you get Sammy form "teaming up with Sanchez and the likes of him.
People are "leaving."
Dan Ramirez is the nephew of the late Roberto Ramirez. Daniel's dad was the late Louis Ramirez, brother of Roberto Ramirez.
Louis Ramirez was from Texas then he moved to Corona(Pacheco's church) and then left the AA to go to Clyde Haney's (Kenneth Haney's dad) church in Stockton.
llorente
Thanks. i knew they were related somehow.
thought for the day said:
But these two are so "Shot gun wedding put together" that they have "lost their purpose with God."
what do you mean by "shotgun wedding put together"?
do you mean they were forced to marry?
Disappointed said, "To Teetime: You have just been threatended. Please take it serious. I work for a very high profile lawfirm who represents public entities (i.e. Sheriff, Police, etc.). I have access to FBI and Homeland Security. All you have to do is report Skotty's email to the police and they will find out who Skotty is and trust me you can get a restraining order on him for yourself and the Church of Fontana."
WHAT A MAJOR DUMB ..SS!! The I guess the GB kids and their peeps are coming out of the woodworks.
I work for the Justice Department my friend, and YOU can get in trouble for saying "...I have access to FBI and Homeland Security..." BE VERY CAREFUL MY FRIEND!!!! I'm sorry Dumb ..ss!!
Good Luck!
cbg
lmao...like i said a few posts earlier,this is better than the tube!
I have access to FBI, CIA, HOmeland Security, Army, Navy, Marines. Its called Yellow Pages moron!
FOT is growing. We own the church.
The world is ours.
To Just a Thought:
Just "read your blog" on "be slow to speak" I ask for your understanding for not "responding" earlier.
I have been slow "to speak" my dear Sister. I've been soooooo "slow" to speak its been 58 years and I'am just "beginning to speak"..
I owe it to the AA, to speak. And to this generation.
We have "lost" so many of our "annointed" people because of "jealousy" and because only "certain" can and "others can't. They have been black -balled" even as Pastors.
Their jealousy is so "prevelent" Because of "their pagan insecurities".
Even for the "Dorcas", Varones and MOP" there is so much jealousy. "in the GB.
This is why there is "fraud because this way "they control" and dismiss those that "they scorn", and those that are a threat to them because of better looks, or because of better secular edcation.
But don't forget, they can do fraud in elections and "select" their "cronnies", but so what they are "going straight to Heaven selected by Sanchez etc.,
Valverde and Pacheco and Abel Aguilar have NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE BOARD'
According to the Constitution of the AA "only" or "past" Bishops can be in the GB.
Those three have never or never were Bishops.
Neither has Artie Espinoza,brother in-law of Sanchez.
He "only got credit and so did Pacheco, because they were in the "Mission" field.
Believe me 'there in the Mission field.. "they were supervised by the Brothers in those Countries.
Iam 'slow to speak" like Henry asked me in a blog about a month ago, "Okay so you knew this then why didn't you speak up.?"
Now Iam speaking and they (bloggers) are calling me "dumb" and "stupid" and that I have distorted AA History".
If only they "knew who I am".
God bless you for caring...Believe me I know Iam being "baited", but when they get the real story..
They "storm" because it does not please them. And they do not want to be "reminded" that Daniel Ramirez is a Flor and he needs to repent and ask forgiven to HM and D
and that's putting it "mildly".
We did not have to have a "Vietman" or an "Iraq" in the AA..We had those"infested perverts" that were themselves "victims" and instead of majoring the "Psychology" , they majored in "AA History." LOL....
God can "heal" them if they ask God to do so. But they "stay" around to distroy our Youth.
They are the "first" to arrive in "youth conventions".
I met once with the GB to expose them, and they told me that "I was "over-re-acting". But when three beautiful young men died, then they believed me.
But the "whole Ministerial" body should stand up and "denounce this terrible epidemic" But "No"
Why????? You tell me why?
I do not know why?
They have been exposed and they "still SHOW THEIR PERVERTED FACES AT THE CONVENTION...THEY HAVE 'RIDDLES' TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER.
NO WONDER THERE IS FRAUD IN OUR ELECTIONS.
ROMANS CHAPTER 1 TELLS IT ALL...
Look at what Scotty is trying to do. Find them. Well start with Daniel Ramirez and go to Union City.
Oh , but no..
We are told, "God forgives" That is very true. He is a merciful God, but when our "Juniors" are "prey" of "these victimized" perverts than we have to pray more to get them OUT........
Mr. CBG: You are absolutely correct. Fortunately for me, I do work with FBI and Homeland Security. What agency do you work for? State? County? or City? And by the way, does your Watch Commander know your blogging?
Thought for the day.......
I just want to say, I'm with you bro! I love the ladies in short skirts too with short hair and lip-tick and really slutty heels!!!!!
ie NO HOLINESS! I knew i wasn't the only one.................
I always knew Nava was a no good thanks for conferming! (you get baited alot)
Its too bad you're such a coward though, you said you were cause of your aa credentials (which are man made) and to think some people look up to you! Yet you have the audacity to tell us what we should do....For what? To put you in office? God for bid! You are a shame to the brethren who have sacrificed!
You are a shame to the ministry, you lost your manhood! You have no voice to speak! DS has your tanates in his hands!
Your history has no credibility since you admitted some one elses was more distorted then yours....
What does that say about your history....
You are a shame!!!!!
Get off your tiolet, you think too much!!!!!
Disappointed,
I work for the Federal Bureou of Prisons, and I DO NOT have a Watch Commander.
Nevertheless, you said, "Mr. CBG: You are absolutely correct. Fortunately for me, I do work with FBI and Homeland Security..." My friend You can still get in trouble for making that comment!
Also, where did you complete your training, I sure would like to know Mr. FBI and Homeland Security?
They have been exposed and they "still SHOW THEIR PERVERTED FACES AT THE CONVENTION...THEY HAVE 'RIDDLES' TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER.
NO WONDER THERE IS FRAUD IN OUR ELECTIONS.
ROMANS CHAPTER 1 TELLS IT ALL...
Look at what Scotty is trying to do. Find them. Well start with Daniel Ramirez and go to Union City.
Oh , but no..
We are told, "God forgives" That is very true. He is a merciful God, but when our "Juniors" are "prey" of "these victimized" perverts than we have to pray more to get them OUT........
..................................
PRAY??????To get them out???????
Thats not something you pray about!
Mr. CBG: As previously posted, I work for a law firm that represents all public entities, nationwide, most likely your agency as well. In our law firm we have a police team of lawyers along with retired Chiefs of Police, including Homeland Security and FBI. In other words, we are your attorneys.
thought for the day,
you said: They have been exposed and they "still SHOW THEIR PERVERTED FACES AT THE CONVENTION...THEY HAVE 'RIDDLES' TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER
What do you mean by 'riddles'?
The AA has always been full of incest and pedophilia! I am in my mid 30's and i can remember it since i was a kid in the AA.
i have been a member of at least 4 different churches that have silenced this. the most recent one a couple of years ago. does anyone want to know what church that is? i went to one of the pastors and nothing was done. one of the people doing this still smugly sits in the pews! even the now independent church. they got away with it in the AA and now in the independent church one of the plaintiffs has established. what difference does it make? they (the leaders) are STILL pretending nothing is wrong. blind eyes and deaf ears!
LETS SPEAK OUT! EVEN IF IT MEANS EVERYONES LAUNDRY IS OUT!(even mine) EVEN IF IT MAKES CERTAIN PEOPLE MAD!
LETS SPEAK OUT THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!!
You know what I went through the same thing that many of you all have. I was violated at a youth camp when I was young. I never told anyone the name of the person. It distracted my spiritual life all the way up to now. I can not tell you all it will ever go away. I can how ever tell many of you that you can survive and that you can move on with your life. It is hard but you can do it.
I will be praying for you all.
That God may help you get past all those issues.
if you need to contact someone. You can email me.
jake_lehan@yahoo.com
Dear Kassanova:
Praise the Lord:
Well Scotty, Henry, Ju4alland Truth:
Ms. Kassanova sure came out of "isolation" immediately.
I gave you some, not all..real History. But what for ? So you can get angry because I appear to upset you.
What triggered it?
Me?
Well Iam not to blame nor you for Fraud elections. This has been going on since the beginning of the AA. I told you "a little bit" of what Bishop LLorente went through, even to take him to Eternity.
If it had not been for Pastor Isaac Cota and Bishop Jose Ortega, according to their testimony to me.
Presiding Bishop Franciso LLorente would not even be in the AA History as the First Pastor General. Because Bishop Nava wanted to have that part of the church history eliminated..
Pastor Isaac Cota , fought vigorously for this...and did Bishop Jose Ortega...Don't believe me I do not care...Call Pastor Cota he will tell you and much much more. He Pastors in Tulare.
Sanchez I quote again and again "learned real good".
He is in his 70's so he "knew the ropes".
I could give you more, but I've been told by you all "be slow" to speak. That Iam being "baited" I know that, "I am beikng baited" very well, but you still "stay on the Blogs' and "bait me.
I am only trying to tell you that women of our church have been "bashed" because of men's "hangups for women".
Not that Iam in approval of "not being modest."
Iam only saying like the old saying goes.
What is good for the Goose is good for the gander".
The Pastors and Clergy that HAVE THE POWER OF THE PODIUM'
"Bash Women" because in "reality"
it is part of their Culture to "Practice El Machismo".
"The Controler, the Munipulator".
Because these men do not "study the word of God" enough to exegesis a sermon, especially on "End times".
We never "hear on love, on charity, which is the same, on God's tender mercies. On the Past of Israel concerning "Today".
On "End Times".
We just "bash" women, so that we Pastors can say , "They keep their church in "complete Holiness.
"Holiness"? Golfing 3x per week.
I did not say Pastors should not dress as they do . I said, "that if they want to "bash" women on "fashion and vogue" because it is not modest.
Then for the GB or the Pastors or Evangelists to dress with "Robes and Sandles as the Patriachs of Old did.
That is all I said...But apparently I will hear much more.
It sure "pinches a nerve". Good, that my dear brother is what this "Revolutionaries for Justice" is All about.
"Justice for fraud and Justice for "Preaching the Word" and not "Fashion".
The Sisters are "modest" I never said they are not...
I just said "Who ever wants to "Bash" them should dress and have a life style accordling."
Again I say, "If those GB and Cleary, Evangelists etc., want to "bash Women" go ahead...
But Women" are smarter now and know "where all this is coming from" UPC and AA are CHAMPS ON THIS...
But it is obvious they are hypocrites to the "fullest" of the word. They those men do not dress as the "Patriachs of Old" did and also The Apostles.
But they should "remove the stake from their eye".
See how they have dressed since the 1920's till now. The men in the AA.
But the women have been the "ones" to be Imposed go 'OBEY THE DOCTRINE' while the men have evolved even to be "Tee Time Pastors" And "I love my White shirts"...
God bles you.
Thanks for caring for the AA.
That's why we praying Sanchez and his croonies OUT in Jesus Name.
thought for the day
you said: They have been exposed and they "still SHOW THEIR PERVERTED FACES AT THE CONVENTION...THEY HAVE 'RIDDLES' TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER
what do you mean by this? riddles?
lehan
thanks for sharing. this has gone and is going on to this day...and like i said the leaders seem to be oblivious to it. even when they are approached and are told about it.
I have to agrre with you their thought for a day. I am 18 young man. I have seen that so many times thier are many flaws in the AA system. One Thing to outline is that everyone says we want the opinion of everyone but they never really want to hear what they want to say.
Second women are knocked down to much by the men of the AA. IF we had more women up there and invovled we would not even be in this mess.
Loose docotrine everyone wants to speak about all the bless everyone and their mother. No one talks about the power of what God can do.
It is more like a how popular can I become contest.
Then we also judge one another and say we are not judging. We are just pointing out the wrongs said to say the organization today does not really live by Jesus Standards some might but their are vary few.
Gossip these are a few of the many things that pervert our doctrine and everyone is okay with it.
Nonanontmous
Even though it happens and it is wrong. We should not allow those things to control us. Not for the sake of the other person but for our own sake. when we all these situations to control us and are worried about the other person and how that person was wrong we never move on spiritually.
Is it wrong what he/she did? YES
Should we allow it to control us? No
When I used to see that man I used to get mad.
Now I do not because I have realized that what I can not handle God takes care. Is this person going to have to answer to God? Yes we all have to be held accountable.
For your sake Forgive that person if if they never ask for forgiveness God will handle it.
DO not hold on something that is very liberating is just letting go and Let God.
praying for you ALL
Dear Ihan said and nonanonymoujs:
Praise the Lord.
My credentials are not only ministerial but also in "Family Therapy".
There are definately "strict Laws" on this type of abuse. Because the 'harm" it can cause a person for life.
This is why I say that "Some people that have been "victims" themselves will "victimize" other so they can have a type of retaliation and "revenge" on what happened to them.
The two of you still show me by your answers that you have "been able to talk" about it in this blog. It is very good to talk to someone that you can trust before you go into a martial relationship.
It is very difficult to "bring" this to a "light" especially when we are young. People will immediately "Put you in the state of guilt and denial and will "make you feel" as it was "your fault".
They will tell you, "You were to blame" etc.,
Fortunately you did not "Personalized this as God being to blame" for God "not protecting you." That is the job of Satan to have us "blame God"..
It was definately"not your fault"..
It was "your fear of being hurt more by people denying your hurt."
So what did you do? You "kept quite"...
An abuse of this "magnitude" does not have a "statue of limiations"..
It is "open" for life.
I can only say. That the AA has been so "busy in fraud elections" and trying to "make a name and money for themselves" that they have "overlooked dramically the "real concept" of hurts in our Juniors and Youths.
This is why..many young men may "marry" but will never have a complete open relationship with their spouse because of
"That hidden" gjuilt.
Many land up in "divorce" court.
The experience will come to your mind again, over and over.
That guilt, that violation. But truly in Jesus Name you can "Cast all your cares on the Lord" and He will heal those hurts.
Lets pray for our Church. There is so much denial..Its all so superficial..
But believe me there are "alot of prayer warriors inteceeding". This is why the Lord used Bishop Abel Torres to expose all this "lies and fraud".
Let us pray for him and his family.
lehan
you have misunderstood me.
thought for the day
you have misunderstood me as well.
I am sorry if I did. I should have made it clear to everyone that some of my comments are general. I apologize for any mis understanding.
thought for the day said:
They "storm" because it does not please them. And they do not want to be "reminded" that Daniel Ramirez is a Flor and he needs to repent and ask forgiven to HM and D
and that's putting it "mildly".
We did not have to have a "Vietman" or an "Iraq" in the AA..We had those"infested perverts" that were themselves "victims" and instead of majoring the "Psychology" , they majored in "AA History." LOL....
God can "heal" them if they ask God to do so. But they "stay" around to distroy our Youth.
They are the "first" to arrive in "youth conventions".
I met once with the GB to expose them, and they told me that "I was "over-re-acting". But when three beautiful young men died, then they believed me.
But the "whole Ministerial" body should stand up and "denounce this terrible epidemic" But "No"
Why????? You tell me why?
I do not know why?
They have been exposed and they "still SHOW THEIR PERVERTED FACES AT THE CONVENTION...THEY HAVE 'RIDDLES' TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER.
what do you mean by this? maybe i misunderstood you as well?
lehan
i wasnt talking about me...i was speaking in general. maybe i misunderstood thought for the day.
but as for the belief that you have about just forgiving and moving on, i cannot agree with you there. thats why we are in this predicament.
that is the great thing about individual walks with God nonanonymous.
We all have our point of veiw. That is another thing that is missing in the AA the chance to not have to agree with anyone else.
You do not have to agree with me. That is what I have done and it has worked for me.
That does not mean it will work for you. That is your personal choice either way I am still praying for everyone that has gone through that.
lehan
"That is another thing that is missing in the AA the chance to not have to agree with anyone else. "
what do mean by this?
Thought For The Day............
I want to say GOOD JOB!!!!!!
Allow your self to get baited......
Because you speak truth that needs to "COME OUT" just keep playing the game....
Some of the "bait" is coming from people on your side....For the purpose of exposing the truth!
Some will call you names, don't let it stop you!
This week 3 letters requesting audits will be going out to the IRS, and "other law enforcement"
remember many are reading and waiting for more from Thought for the day......
So when the "bait" comes, take it!!!
Some will come from me, just play the game....
sorry again I am just pointing out things that I used to see. As I write one my train of thought. Something pops in my mind and I write it down. Sorry anonymous. Maybe I should write down my thoughts then write in here. That Comment was just a general.
What I was trying to say is that Sometimes it Seems like the GB feels that their voice is the only valid voice. They feel like the have all the answers and the rest of us are just pawns. They want us to mindlessly follow them. They Do not let our voice like yours or mine step through and be heard. I am sure that if we said who we were we would be kicked out just for going against what they say.
lehan
i wont get kicked out i have removed myself. i still go and "visit" the church.(former AA church as of a few months ago) but i wont ever be a part of that again.
but i do understand what you mean by saying that if you spoke out you would get kicked out. not only by the GB but by the local church leaders as well.
That's it!! I am bothered BIGTIME by the type of belief sysyem or whatever you want to call "standards" in the UPC or AA!!
I just came back from a dinner with folks, ran into some "Pharisee-Ignorant-Worthless Hobo" who made a direct remark at one of my relatives who used to go to church. "Your wearing shorts? Where is your conviction"?
I am SICK of the thought that folks who practice holiness think with their ignorant driven minds saying things like that or worse. I appreciate everyone here and I am not starting a riot BUT this stuff is --------!!! I guarantee every one who thinks he is all that,self-righteous,all in a bag of chips long dress-pilgrim, will perish!!
Can anyone see what I see?? I kmow not everyone is this way but I have seen it happen ALOT!! This ticks me off people. I responded back by telling this person to get a life and pray for mercy for yourself.
Their are SOULS out there who need JESUS in their lives. To me, all I have gotten from people like this is the mentality of LEGALISM &ELITISM. I am AGAIN going to post 2 youtube sights for this real reason:
1.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDfN1JWsFw
2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZb1adOsr4Y
WHERE IS THE SOUL REACHING INSTEAD OF DAMNING A SOUL???
Thanks Baiter"
Iam old enough to know about what you are telling me. I do not want to sound, self righteous.
But I can assure you that during my life time in the AA and UPC, school and all I know for a fact that the ARCHANGEL posting tonight is absolutely "right on" How dare this legalist 'clear his conscience on "some one wearing comfortable. "
Iam sure this person would not "wear" short to Church nor to Court.
But this is exactly what this Pharasee wanted to do to "be in control of the "situation" as a
"Iam better than you attitude."
I know of AA Pastors that have "TEE Time" in shorts on and on Sunday they are "bashing the women in church."
Thank you for the good news, "Baiter" on the Audits and IRS. The Party is over for the GB.
I've been calling all my friends, Pastors, Please "push" for an audit.
God will protect us.
I predict that all the Plaintiffs that were "lynched" will be "hired again" as Pastors, by order of the Court.
Then what is the GB going to do?
Thank you Jesus. Then those Pastors can "work from within."
Thank you for your thoughts, Thought for the day
thought for the day
Don't count on the plaintiffs coming back. You'll here more in due time.
Dissappointed
About Skotty & Teetime(tomAsitA)
I you are suggesting for tomAsitA to call police,
You haven't read Bro. Zuniga's letter about the REAL Threats!
to back to the blogs!
Teetime(tomAsitA) go back to your FLORECITAS !! (fountain of Half Truths)
To Cali Warrior:
Praise the Lord"
I know exactly what you are talking about. But according to what a Brother told me three years ago. This maybe what you are saying.
He told me that The Apostolic Assemlby of the Faith in Christ Jesus was going to go through a "Major Crises" "Clean up and exposure from the Lord."
He told me that it involved that a New Organization was going to evolve and that Ex.Presiding Bishop Baldemar Rodriguez was going to be the New Presiding Bishop..
I could not believe it. About the crises. Because the "big lie and fraud" on elections had been forever in the AA, but no one "dared to be an Abel Torres."
The more I see this unfold the more I remember what this very wise Brother told me three years ago.
There is not any thing Bishop Baldemar can do . Its not up to him, nor you nor me nor anyone. Its the "will of the Lord"...
But this Brother me very specifically that "it would require" alot of humility of those involved."
Iam still praying and waiting.
Thought for the day..
all kidding aside I have a new found respect for you. i've read thru your blogs these past two days and I wanted to apologize for my comment when I said you were probably a "chick or Sergio Villanueva"
I read your writtings and can see the age / knowledge you articulate in them. As an "elder" on this blog I encourage you to keep us posted.
Again, my apologies.
-C
Sergio Villanueva is my hero.
Leave him be.
archangel...
kuddos on your blog...
that sort of cr@p is rampant in the AA...
it sickens me... and was one of many straws that broke the camels back..
Chairman_Mao - An AA in self-exile..
think and think again
Many of us know that even before the elections there was already a lot of tension and talk about a division that was coming about but no one knew just how it was going to start snowballing. It is Gods will. The assembly has been so stagnant and relying on programs that nothing ever came about that we can say caused the assembly to explode in growth. So, what is happening know. New churches are being planted, and a new revival is about to take place. Why? There is nothing to prove but the ones that have left the AA seem to be more energized. The new pastors that are coming in to the AA will be pawns that will be easily controlled. What do you think?
Like those things on the chess board.
LEARN WHO SKOTTY IS!!! SEE WHO HE is AND BEWARE OF THIS PEEPING TOM.
I am flattered that you would think I made this film but I only stumbled upon this video by watching your other videos!
To the true creator(s), kudos! It is intersting to be able to connect stupidity with a face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
Why is Julio on here again?
teetime, whereswaldo, = julio leal
No one cares about your lame video.
This is about the GB, not some lame video made at the general offices.
So how much did the GB give you for making that lame video?
Can't even spell...
ie. "you be the judg"
hahahaha
back to the GB, why would they even allow you to produce this on their "watch"? Could the GB be that angry at Skotty for revealing the truth?
Why is the GB so mad that they would resort to this?
The truth hurts, doesn't it!
LEARN WHO SKOTTY IS!!! SEE WHO HE is AND BEWARE OF THIS PEEPING TOM.
I am flattered that you would think I made this film but I only stumbled upon this video by watching your other videos!
To the true creator(s), kudos! It is intersting to be able to connect stupidity with a face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
LEARN WHO SKOTTY IS!!! SEE WHO HE is AND BEWARE OF THIS PEEPING TOM.
I am flattered that you would think I made this film but I only stumbled upon this video by watching your other videos!
To the true creator(s), kudos! It is intersting to be able to connect stupidity with a face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZQzjNnZUs
teetime = julio leal
what a loser
thought_for_the_day,
I absolutely love your posts! Very very interesting. Don't hesitate to post more AA history. It actually allows me to see why we are so jacked up to this day.
Seems like the Apo oneness could never really get it's act together. And even after 100 years, they still haven't learned.
We are truly "una bola de burros!" How sad.
NO! I am NOT JULIO LEAL!!!! I'm NOT afraid to say WHO I AM!!! I am AGNES! For those who do not know me, my video is here (now reveal who you are!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS0ef0Dlyrk
i think teetime is Javier Guerra...
the marine wannabe dude...
u know...whereswaldo...
i think teetime is Javier Guerra...
the marine wannabe dude...
u know...whereswaldo...
willshowyouskotty (6 hours ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply I don't know why you're picking on me...i'm just a 14 year old girl....
my cousin told me about all the stuff that you guys are doing...i think its pretty funny how the video has you guys mad or angry..I aint even part of the AA....sorry you're upset....cutie <3 lol...
LOL LIL GIRLS DO THE GB DIRTY WORK./... HAHAHAHA
TeeTime...
Isnt This Kinda like The Pot Calling The Kettle Black??
YOu try to expose me yet you are anonymous yourself...
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Matthew 7:2-5
If you Want To Make A point...
step out and be bold as I AM
IM NOT THAT ANONYMOUS... I WAS BEHIND THE CAMERA...
Thank you ...
SKOTTY
Henry,
What time is Sanchez going to testify?
I have no idea. But he is slated to testify today.
hENRY:
DO YOU KNOW IF AN audit WAS UNDER A SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS...FOR EXAMPLE..
There is also thIS type that most people really do not want to encounter-- the SPECIAL INVESTIGATION. You know when this type of audit begins because the agent is required to show his badge and identify himself as a Special Agent. A special agent is a crimianl investigator whereas the normal auditor is only trying to verify that the correct amount of taxes were paid. The special agent is definately looking for criminal activity rather than simply checking on the normal aspects of a tax return.
Calledtoproclaim:
I don't know what you are referring to. The above is related to the criminal trial of Barrientos.
I do not have any knowledge of an audit.
to all commenting that we are all the same
I am very dismayed at what the
Apostolic Assembly is going through
at this very critical hour in time. I have been babtized for over 30 years as a member of the AA but I can say very honestly that though being a member, the One that I truly serve is Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. So if saints like myself within the assembly are serving Jesus FAITHFULLY please don't categorizes or judge everybody as being corrupt or evil. Jesus will be my judge but he also will be yours. If Jesus doesn't know whats going on with this assembly then in vain we serve a god who claims to omniscient. I have all faith the the God that I serve, that he will deal with corruption in his time. He does not need investigators or detractors because Jesus is not only omniscient but omnipresent and omnipotent.
In fear and trembling
I am going to repost this again. For all Apostolicos that are confused with the issues of the Apostolic Assembly. Let’s se if this sheds some light on the issue. I have been with The Assembly for over 27 years and I am still with them.
1 Samuel
Then the Philistines (General Board) took the ark of God and brought it from Ebenezer to Ashdod. When the Philistines (General Board) took the ark of God, they brought it into the house (Apostolic Headquarters) of Dagon and set it by Dagon (Apostolic Assembly). And when the people (Apostolic Members) of Ashdod arose early in the morning, there was Dagon (Apostolic Assembly), fallen on its face to the earth before the ark of the LORD. So they (General Board) took Dagon (Apostolic Assembly) and set it in its place again. And when they arose early the next morning, there was Dagon (Apostolic Assembly), fallen on its face to the ground before the ark of the LORD. The head (Ex-Communicated Pastors) of Dagon and both the palms of its hands (Ex-Communicated Pastors) were broken off on the threshold; only Dagon’s torso (All Other Pastor’s) was left of it. Therefore neither the priests (Bishops’s) of Dagon (Apostolic Assembly) nor any who come into Dagon’s house (Apostolic Headquarters) tread on the threshold of Dagon (Apostolic Assembly) in Ashdod to this day.
To all those who hold the Assemebly as ”beloved”. No man can serve two masters. Our God is a Jealous God. His Glory He will not share with others. (Sola Dei Gloria)
Wake up Apostolicos!!
Dear Concerned:
Praise the Lord:
Thank you for your comments.
Let me tell you dear brother or sister, who ever you are.
Because I happen to be "informed" from "Life itself in the AA"
People see me "coming and they litterly "run" from me."
It wasn't until I became of "age" that I realized, and from " just plain living". THAT I SHOULD NOT PERSONALIZE THIS, BUT REALIZE THAT THE 'REAL ISSUE IS' THAT I 'REMIND THEM OF TOO MANY THINGS.'
Things like where they have been, or who they are. Iam not by "any" means saying that I have not made 'terrible mistakes" As a human being and hurt and devastated by the "black-balling" from those in "emenence". I became very "hurt and wounded".
I am just a "plain ordinary person."
But one person told me that a Pastor wanted to "rent" a church in the LONG BEACH area here in
L. A. county.
When the Baptist Pastor, asked the AA Brother what church do you work with. The Baptist Pastor, hearing that the AA Pastor was from the AA. told the "wanting to rent" AA Pastor.
"You get yourself out of here."
You are from the Church that is known to "KILL ITS WOUNDED". (The AA) PLEASE LEAVE...
(sounds familiar). What a shame that "outsiders" actually "label us as "KILLING OUR WOUNDED."
Wounded what what? Wounded from "self righteous legalists, from "power of the podium evangelists" But Jelousy, from insecurities, from cruelty, from
Maffey type of "self rightenousses.
But then I had a very wise person tell me " That I just plain reminded those people of "alot of things". Yet they were so "self" righteous behind the "POWER OF THE PODIUM".
MANY TIMES I LITERALY WANTED TO GET UP DURING A 'SELF RIGHTEOUS' CONVENTION AND 'RUN TO THE PODIUM' TAKE THE MICRO-PPHONE AND EXPOSE THAT MAN'...
But then I took a lot of classes in "anger management", and now I understand" where the source" is coming from.
The other day I was also with a very 'Old" timer in the AA. I had "alot of say" to the man we were speaking with. But that "old timer", kept telling me, "Be Quite, don't say that" "The Lord will hear you".
I said, "Not only does the Lord hear me, but THE LORD KNOWS MORE ABOUT THIS then you and I."
"For Heaven's Sake, Woman," I told her."Don't you see the place is "falling apart" The very thing that you and yours and all of ancestors "tarried for" and they are all going UPC, indenpendent and to the Vineard, and to Calvary Chapel and Trinitarians and you are still keeping me from telling this Brother, WHY THIS IS HAPPENING'.
Even one of Sanchez's brothers went Catholic.
THIS PERSON,the "old timer that was with me" KNOWS MORE EXPERIENCES OF THIS SORT THAN I HAVE. SHE MAKES ME BE LOOK LIKE 'MICKEY MOUSE' IN WHAT SHE HAS EXPERIENCED AND SEEN.
FROM REALLY LIVING BACK IN THE "Early Apostolic Assembly Days. She knew and told me that Sanchez father was a cronic "ALCOHOLIC." That she had been in his house, when he pastored in El Centro and heard this man actually
"harrass" a sister via telephone.
She knows all this and more...But she tells me "Keep quite". The Lord is hearing you "speak against His annoointed.
I ASKED her" What anointed" The Gb?
I told her,"you very well know what happened to "Saul in the Bible, because of his personal gain."
King David was on the run. Because Saul did not want King David around, because King David, reminded Saul of too many things.
Please believe me I have JUST TOUCHED THE TIP OF THE ICE BERG.
But at least you all have the "right to know" WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF ALL THIS CRISES.'
IAM SURE BROTHER ANTONIO, who writes in the "blogs WHO REALLY IS A SISTER FROM GLENDALE, ARIZONA, WHO ONE OF HER DAUGHTERS WRITES FOR HER..This sister knows alot and is very "upset" because she never was in the "Dorcas" GB.
This woman has a very well "henpecked" husband that takes her to "every single soliatary convention that has ever existed in the AA."
I honestly believe that "Sanchez" is the "Saul" that God has rejected. Let me tell you why?
First of all, it appears he comes from a very dysfuntional family.
Look at his brother Eliseo. Who has done so much harm to his wife, much more than worse things to the church that any of the Bishops that have been "lynched" But Sanchez looks the "other way and dreams at night who he can "lynch" next.
Look at his brother John, now Bishop of Southern California district, a "wanna be" psychologist>
He attempts to be an analyist.
Is always "giving" "lectures" to people on "tests" that he copies from other professionals and gives "no credit to those that did the "work and research."
Look at Sanchez's daughters. Totally "rejected" the AA.
Look at what he has done to his "poor wife."
But I honestly think that with all these things and more the "REAL ISSUES ARE' that "Sanchez "stole the property of the "Narciso and Carmen Romero's heirs." This property is on North Citron in Anaheim. He has "demolised the older stucture" and is having built a "brand new house".
The heirs were three grown children, Magdalena, Daniel and Rachel were completely and toally disinherited.
These heir were never "receipants" of this property. In fact a very "realiable" source told me that the "suppose" to be heir Daniel Romero was literally " on welfare and collecting "discarded" cans on the parks and steeets to supplement his income.
Daniel Romero, the only son of the Romero's is a person that has been known to be "developmentally delayed".
I know that Magdalena has departed to be with the Lord. Rachel's whereabout I do not know. But sources tell me Daniel Romero and his sister Rachel live somewhere in Anaheim area.
The same "goes for Sammy Valverde, he too will 'forever be in the "subpoena, mode.
How sad...That men that are "rakeing in $10,000.00 per month from the office of the Presiding Bishop,and Vice Presidency and another $4,ooo.00 from "their'local church in South Whittier and Fontana.
That Sanchez has the "heart" to do this, to this family.
I know also that there have been brothers and sisters in the AA that "have been "defraded" by other sibblings on "their parents" dulfully" inheritance and church properties "sold" for their personal gain. And Sanchez did not do a thing to "help resolve" this issue. This is why Sanchez is a "Saul" totally rejected by the Lord.
And I can tell you from experience that "Sanchez" will be in "courts" for the "entire life" being subpoena, "from this source" and "that source," and this "issue and that "issue" because of the "weapon formed against him", from God. Because IT IS AN IMPARDONABLE SIN, to "daare touch'someone elses inhertiance' there are very severe "repercussions written in the Bible, against "DARING TO TOUCH SOME ONE INHERITANCE.'IF THEY DO NOT REPENT TO 'STEAL' AND HELP 'STEAL' AN INHERITANCE FROM INNOCENT HEIRS.
For what "personal gains" that he received from the Romero fradulent deal.
Good bye and God bless you. I will no longer post. "I've been "baited" enough.
SOLA DE GLORIA''WHAT GLORIA...pLEASE DE QUITE..
You know nothing.. 27 years in the AA and you know nothing. You do not even know Sanchez nor Valvede nor Pacheco. You are the type why we are in the situation we are in.
You are "straggling the UPC and the AA". Go home and be quite.
Stop trying to be the great theologist..We know the Bible too.
But we also know on the "hidden idol" and that you that knows nothing in 27 years. Continueto have your "head like the ostrich".
thanks for nothing.thanks dfor doing nothing just typical...You are so typical of the AA mind.
Think and think again
Slow down. I almost didn’t understand what you were saying. You have bowed down to your false idol for too long. I have never been UPC. It doesn’t take a lifetime to determine how messed up Apostolic doctrine is. The Assembly is your God and the constitution is your doctrine.
To: Thought of the day
FYI, I am not the sister from Arizona and I am not Daniel Ramirez.
That is strike two (2) for you!
I asked you if you were a contemporary of John Ortega and a former Youth leader during his time?
You have yet to answer me.
If I was to tell you who I am, you immediately know who I am and I am pretty certain that if you told me who you are I would also know you.
We have probably shaken hands and had many conversations.
But know that you are not the only one that knows the AA and Iglesia's history. That is all I say!
I agree with mostly everything you say. I do not add as much because you already said it!
I enjoy seeing your blogging. You are right on most of these issues, starting with Sanchez down to Daniel Ramirez.
I sense that you are former minister/evangelist that was wronged by the AA and you have been through so much. I believe you are the person who has seen some of his dearest friend's give their entire life to the AA, and for what?
I think you have much to say. I really do like what you bring out. I am pretty impressed by a lot of things you say...not because I don't know about it but because it reminds me of some of this history.
I will see about mentioning some things also about the orginazation and how things have evolved to politics in the church.
Solade Gloria:
TheAssemblyis not my God. My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God that created the entire Universe. God that did have a beginning or end. That God I serve. God of Israel.
You are a hypricate to its fullest.
So you are not Upc. But you are the one that has theAA and the Gb, that you do not even know,as your god. Or are you one of them.as
your god. You do not even know what this is all about.
You do not have any "real history".
You do not even know Pablito Carrillo, nor why you became an Apostolico. Stop philosphying.
Yoou are a "fake".
SaladeGloria:
I do not serve the AA. I serve God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. God of the ages.
Our God that had NO BEGINNING and Has NO End. The Alpha and the Omega.
Your god is the AA AND THE GB. THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW. OR ARE YOU PACHECO.
Because you do not even defend it. You know nothing.
Think and think again
Your name does not compliment you. You have reduced your comments to an “ad hominen’ argument.
I can’t understand you.
Next!!
This blog has turned into a big pissing contest.
I have kept silent too long. Look at what foolish comments you are making.
"I know people at FBI and Homeland Security"
"I work for a well known law firm that represents police departments"
"I work for the Dept of Prisons"
"I know more theology than you. You know nothing"
"I know more important people than you do"
"My daddy is more important than yours"
Then you have that moron blogging while he's with the 1st marine division in Falujah, Iraq. Suuuure pal.
The Apostolic UPC journey is over. Deal with it and get some counseling.
FactsOnly1,
this all coming from the person who says "Sergio Villanueva is my hero"!
HA! hilarious yo.
Wait, which FactsOnly1 am I responding to!? ha!
you're just as guilty playa.
but i was laughing when i read somoenes comment saying "you've just been threatended and i work for the bla bla bla." its funny cuz homie couldnt even spell "THREATENED" yet he represents some "law enforcement attorneys" Ha! thats a CLASSIC.
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