Thursday, July 31, 2008

Revolutionaries for Justice




So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?

Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.

Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.

You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.

I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".

Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.

You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.

Back to the Revolutionaries...

If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.

I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.

Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire


ps.
For our revolutionaries....

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Unknown said...

Politics? Stupid Politics? LOL You give me too much credit.

Ok, got to get back to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. This Obama has got to go down!

Yes Ed, this thing is working.

Oh, before I go, I want to send a Shout out to all the homies....

Omar Polo
Mari Mantero
Chuck Gutierrez
Pedro Contreras
Ed Gamez
Isaac Ordonez
Ruben Cortez
David Reaves
Isaac Hernandez(Hang in there Bro.)

And to all the Blogg Nation! I would send a Dedication, but I only do that for the haynas on the Art Lebeau Show.

Have an OutStanding Day!

Peace

Unknown said...

EL HERMANO HENRY IS A TALIBAN!!
HE STANDS OUT OUTSIDE OF THE APOSTOLIC BUILDINGS MEASURING HOW LONG YOUR VELO IS ALONG WITH YOUR SKIRT AND HE GIVES ME THE DIGITS OF THE SINGLE LADIES!!!! WAIT LET ME ERASE THAT PART..
OK A LIGHTER note sorry for the caps and the terrible spelling to all the hitlers of grammer up there:) let me say whats up to my pastor Zuniga you know i love you!!
Pastora cicely..ILOVE YOU TOO
To El Diputado Henry was up brother!!to the recording guys who show the true colors of the asamblea WAS UP WE LOVE YOU!!FREE TACOS ON OUR EVENT !!!TO all the pastors that walk away or were removed ENJOY the freedom from the yoke of bondage being removed..
WAS UP TO ALL THE LADIES ON THE HOUSE!!!!!!WASUPPPPP!!! to all the people attending convention, hey henry are we going to be abel to attend...?should itake my dvd recorder? do you know if our picture will be posted on every apostolic church..I heard that they posted your picture an you me at every church, to be scanned to see if we have any recording equipment.. Dang how are we going to hang out in convention? nomore 45 minutes ofrendas de ODIO ups i mean de amor towards the missionaries of the world.. DANG I WILL BE IN SUICIDE WATCH COME NOVEMBER!!! NOOOOO!!!!!!:)

Anonymous said...

For those people who are 2,3,4th generation AA members. Stay strong during these difficult and uncertain times. It's difficult to see something that you've been around your entire life in such disaray. You believed and had faith in your leaders and it seems evident they've let you down.

Those pastors that have been ousted for whatever reason, God be with you on this new journey. Do not give up. The members of the churches, please pray for your pastor and his family and support the decisions he is making. They are not easy.

To have an immediate separation whether you were forced out or left willingly, it's not easy. God will pour out his spirit upon all men in the last days! We need to seek God's face like never before in these last days. With the choices we have for president of this country, we have to tarry in the altar, praying for the lost and praying for our local pastoral administration. Some pastors fear that in this day they can't even preach Heaven&Hell, fire and brimstone, preach against same sex marriage, etc. What happened to the original standards of the Holiness Penecostal, Oneness churches? We need to get back to our roots. Not one organization is perfect and keep that in mind. Every organization has gone through it's struggles. We need to focus on Jesus! God bless you all. Prayers are with you.

WatchOut! said...

To Remembering

At the risk of lowering myself to your lowly level I'm going to respond to your comment on the people of Texas still riding their wagons to church and living on farms.

For your info I know of no one from church who either lives on a farm or ranch (although that lifestyle sounds really appealing). Midland is in the middle of an oil industry $$$$$$ area (can you say Boom!) and the spacious church parking lot is filled with Escalades, Hummers, Lincoln Navigors and yeah the King Ranch trucks! That's as ranch as we get!

Anyway that should take care of your tacky comment.

WatchOut! said...

/sp/ that's Lincoln NAVIGATORS

MijoTonio said...

Jose:

Bro Zuniga is a true by product of the AA. Now this bad, when you have a Pastor who can lie about his daughter being on official church business when she was simply driving with VP 2 to go eat at some restaurant after church. I can see him suing VP 2 insurance for a lump sum of cash, but to lie so he can sue the assembly is pathetic.

Way to go Zuniga, the GB and Art. Tafoya have trained you well.

Onguard

GQ1973 said...

ok, there yall go again, I am not related to the Arreola's. Just happen to know Omar, whom by the way said I crossed the line too much. he said to stop it.

He just emailed me to share a video of Yolanda Adams speaking,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eQ7WlnSRiQ&NR=1

and so I will "try" to limit my opinion. (he says it will do me and other viewers some good-it is food for the soul)

by the way, whomever said i brought stuff up without even being mentioned, guess you have not read all the comments on this blog.

oklahomatinytim are you still part of the AA?? If not, I wonder why? Just asking

Remembering said...

Folks, no offense I am referring to the cowboys and cowgirls from the West part of Texas who have been at each others throat. It seems there is some kind of rivalry going on in that area especially from that gal that goes on and on and on as someone so kindly stated. It has been very entertaining!! You really give a good show.

GQ1973 said...

thanks, see that, i don't always bash on someone-lol

GQ1973 said...

so have you remembered yet??

Anonymous said...

Ongaurd

This is your factsonly1 telling you to calm down right now mijo!

hahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaa

Onguard get off of your high horse!

Since I stole the factsonly1 blog name, I guess the real factsonly1 is going as Ongaurd now. He has so many names its pathetic.

So why do you have such a vendetta against Pastor Zuniga, Ongaurd?

Would you just be a man for once and start being mature. Respect people for their situation! Then again, since you are apart of the GB, that is just not in your character!

Anonymous said...

Let's bring out some more facts!

Think about this one people. How is it that Pacheco and Maffey are business partners now, when in FACT they despised each other!?!

Did you all know that Maffey bought a car from Pacheco and never saw a car or the money again!? (During Pacheco's car scam era)

How is it then that these men can work together now?

Anonymous said...

GQ1973

That Video is awesome! It's true...I don't know about the Sadam Hussein comment lol but it's true. We don't know what we do to people sometimes with our words and actions. I'm paraphrasing and don't know which scripture or verse it is. But my husband taught our juniors Do unto me as the least of these or something to that affect. What we do to people is like doing it unto God.

Anonymous said...

More facts...

The AAFCJ is so strong about having your church under the AAFCJ ONLY.

Oh is this so? Then why is it that Strong Tower Church and FTC are both under their own church names and NOT the assembly?

Why aren't Strong Tower and FTC being sued by the assembly for this?

factsonly1 said...

ALERT, ALERT, ALERT!

****************************

THERE IS AN IMPOSTOR BLOGGING WITH MY NAME!

THESE REVS OF INJUSTICE STOP AT NOTHING. THEY ARE LIKE THE DEVIL WHO COMES TO KILL, STEAL, AND DESTROY.

SINCE THEY CAN'T REFUTES MY POSTS THEY STOLE MY BLOG NAME

*******************************
TO BLOG MASTER, PLEASE CORRECT THIS ERROR.

********************************************************************************************************

whereswaldo said...

Every body in Texass has issues and bitterness........hummmm maybe Hank should go there too

And take his 40yr old virgin club from San ysidro with him maybe they will have better luck there..... On the otherhand maybe not!

But atleast try to get digits from ladies your age and leave the minors alone.
r4j is a joke

Skotty u should use the stairs in montebello to go up n down a few times to get rid of that gut

factsonly1 said...

ALERT, ALERT, ALERT!

****************************

THERE IS AN IMPOSTOR BLOGGING WITH MY NAME!

THESE REVS OF INJUSTICE STOP AT NOTHING. THEY ARE LIKE THE DEVIL WHO COMES TO KILL, STEAL, AND DESTROY.

SINCE THEY CAN'T REFUTES MY POSTS THEY STOLE MY BLOG NAME

*******************************
TO BLOG MASTER, PLEASE CORRECT THIS ERROR.

whereswaldo said...

yes I know who both of u clown are

LL said...

FTC is in what county?

factsonly1 said...

To the impostor:

I know you love my name but get your own. You only descredit all the revs. of injustice even more by stealing and lying. This the only way you can think of stopping the truth,but you will not prevail.

Seeker said...
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whereswaldo said...

every body that left with baldemar and his acordion along with those that left with the other sore losers are regreting their decision(I know a few of them)they made out of anger because I was at the service in valley college and all he preached about was bitterness that he has towards his ex boss

They should just come back........that's what they really want

Anonymous said...

ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!!!


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Anonymous said...

ALERT ALERT ALERT!

Why are there seperate company profiles if everyone is to be under the jurisdiction of AAFCJ?

FACTS FACTS FACTS!!!!!!!

Type in Apostolic Assembly and you will get all the churches that have their own company profile!!

Seeker said...

Ongaurd,

i agree with what you said.

Again, witht he millions of dollars he gained from the AA; Zuniga was able to afford to trun in the church keys.

Anonymous said...

waldoshmaldo

check out my facts bro...the AA doesn't care about immigrants like you!

Get real waldoshmaldo...BR has 200+ members and the rest of you have what? A whopping 20?

Like your fellow colleague Ongaurd says..doesn't that say alot about a Pastor?

Move on shmaldo, move on with your life!

Anyone have the preaching from BR's church so you can post it and prove shmaldo is a liar!

I know they record their services!

Anonymous said...

Seeker

Get over it! You have an obsessive compulsive disorder with Zuniga!

Anonymous said...

To the impostor:

I don't care what the R4J do, I'm not with them. I'm a disgruntled employee..a former AA.

So deal with it! Aww what happened? Don't cry...your name on this blog is so vital to you that you are afraid of me discrediting it? Even to a blog the GB still has a big head!

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Seeker said...

just agreeing with someone else bro! no te aguites bro.

whereswaldo said...

Quit trying to make br sound like he's all that they do not have 200 member I personaly counted74 thats with kids and I didnt see any recording eqipment
Facts only....... Sounds you don't know your rest from a hole in the ground

Anonymous said...

Seeker

If I were you I would hold off on speaking spanish.

It's bad enough the AAFCJ already think your an immigrant and wants nothing to do with you because of that!

whereswaldo said...

I meant to say butt from a hole in the ground

I going again on Sunday I'll re count but I know I counted correctly

Anonymous said...

waldoshmaldo

Ohhhh you must have went to the little church thats with the AA!

So whats the address you went to waldoshmaldo?

Give us some facts! Dont be mad factsonly, I mean waldoshmaldo!

whereswaldo said...

its worth the 1hr drive to see all the poison being spewed out by baldemar

WatchOut! said...

Hey Waldo, so what were you doing over there at Bro. Baldemar's? Were you practicing your counting? You know just in case someday you make it to the gb. Really you can stop now that we all know you can count to 74. Gb requirements are that you can count to TWO only!

whereswaldo said...

I went to the valley college

Anonymous said...

hahahah 1hr drive, you mean 10 min drive.

You people from the SB AA church need to stop harrasing BR's church.

Why can't you all just move on?

Where's that guy Carlos at? He would tell us the truth about the service!

whereswaldo said...

caminando ...... Y you can't afford a car?

Anonymous said...

Valley college..so you must have been from BR's church before right?

If you were like me, being that we're not from BR's church or never have been we don't nonchalantly call it "Valley College".

Sounds like another disgruntled San Bernardino AA member!

whereswaldo said...

go back to what u asked me dummy

Anonymous said...

waldoshmaldo

Calm down brother, take the advice from Seeker...no te aguites bro!

whereswaldo said...

you call itself facts only but u don't have a clue........thats y ur asking for carlos ur boy friend

whereswaldo said...

u started with me now u want me to calm down. Nile bushes so no aguantas la vara

WatchOut! said...

Waldo can count to 74 everyone! Let's give him a handclap.

Anonymous said...

waldoshmaldo

who cares if I'm a flor azulito!

I'm not from the church so I ask for someone from that church to explain!

I did not start with you..you started with everyone on the blog first...

you dish it but you can't take it..typical

your first post of slander:
every body that left with baldemar and his acordion along with those that left with the other sore losers are regreting their decision(I know a few of them)they made out of anger because I was at the service in valley college and all he preached about was bitterness that he has towards his ex boss

They should just come back........that's what they really want


So now I call for Carlos to give us facts and not lies. Since he is from that church directly.

Is that not fair? Since you and I are not from that church, it is fair!

Anonymous said...

ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!!!


MORE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!


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Strong Tower (Apostolic Assembly)
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1133 Railroad St, Corona, CA 92882-1889, United States (Map)
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Stock Symbol:N/A
Stock Exchange:N/A
Also Does Business As:Apostolic Assembly
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Stock Symbol:N/A
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nonanonymous said...

ok...hello bloggers! im sure i know some of ya'll and seen many more, as i have been in and around this religion since i was about 6 yrs old.i have been following the blogs for months and months. very entertaining...lol. but i would like to ask "sola dei gloria" a question.... sola where are you?

called2proclaim said...

nonanonymous:

WHO R U???????
nanomanomanouse??????

unhe2 said...

To:Caminando voy
No hay duda, Dios bendise a su Iglesia, World Faith Center, donde es pastor el Hno. Mendoza sigue creciendo hasta hoy hemos celebrado 9 bautismos, una boda y un campamento familiar donde el Senor uso tremendamente a nuestro hno. Saul Avila, a traves de los estudios biblicos en los hogares Dios sigue llenando su iglesia de alma nuevas. Gracias por sus oraciones y adelante nos vemos en Denver.

Carlos said...

Back by popular demand...

It is I. CARLITOS!

From my last roster count...

Members: 248

3 new families this month alone...

1 one from Sam Valverde's Church
2 from Pacheco's church.

What this waldo guy fails to remember/know is that we make all visitors sign in...

the plot thickens!

Now he may be thinking about the 6th st church(the ppl that stayed behind), but even then 74 is to high a number... Abel jimenez is
some dynamic preacher huh??? NOT!

btw, the title of last sunday's preaching that BR gave was "the Movement of the Spirit" So tell me, how is that bitterness towards his "old boss"?

nonanonymous said...

sola dei gloria, where are you?

Voice from the Bay said...

whereswaldo,
why don't you go to the service...when asked to sign, say no, because "your an american" and you "have the right to be there at this public place".

Then take your camera and recored the message and post it.

Then we can all the be the judge as to how many people are there and what the message is about.

LL said...

Carlitos

1 from valverde's church?

Carlos said...

yes. One from FOT.

also 1 visiting from FOT, not quite members yet.

LL said...

Carlitos

Re: valverde's

Maybe his member are tired of hearing pro-templo (only dinero dinero) funds...........
Where are the blue prints pastor???

Herlinda said...

Justice we need to look closer at pacheco see if now he is still working his little games, with money and scams..He is a board member and should be held at a higher standard...as they all need to be..

Anonymous said...

englishonlyyeahright

Maybe your little friend is not an "American" otherwise he would have already done it.

Carlos does your church record their services?

Voice from the Bay said...

-------------------------
Herlinda said...

Justice we need to look closer at pacheco
-------------------------

Herlinda,
who do you think you are?
Adrian Monk??

I think you and all your R4J's have looked into his personal matters enough....
why don't we look at you a little closer, and see what we find.

why do you give your full name and SSN number and we'll do some investigating on you and see how you like it.

Carlos said...

yes we do record services.
we always have.

we used to even sell the recordings for pro-templo funds back before the AA took our land and $$$.

The new slogan for the AA should be:

JESUS saves, Be WE Withdraw!

WatchOut! said...

unhe2 (pretty creative, I like that "unjidos")

Thank you for the update I was hoping to hear reports such as yours. I'm sure its encouraging to the rest of us who have found ourselves in the same situation. May God continue to richly bless you.

Herlinda said...

english only please::: calm down, I dont see you giving your name and ss number. But anyway my point is if we elect someone anyone we should make sure they do keep clean thats all. To whom much is given much is required. If you want to be on the board then your life is an open book. People are looking and getting hurt. And I agree not all of us including englishonlyplease are perfect. But of our leaders that we follow have to walk alot better then us. Because they are leaders.

nonanonymous said...

sola,
perhaps youre not logged in tonight? i will keep trying to reach you. i have a question for you about one of your posts is all.

r4jisthedevil said...

To all bloggers,

the revs of injustice stole my blog name. This is the kind of tactics and schemes they do.

They work like the devil:
they slander
they steal
they lie
they cheat

What ever the impostor who is using my name says, do not believe he is a liar.

I will be bloggin under this new name for now.

yours truly,

factsonly1, the real one

r4jisthedevil said...

to II

Maybe you should read the Constitution before you start talking about it.

You don't need to be a District Bishop to be in the GB, according to the constitution you only need to be Bishop for the top positions. According to the Constitution after you've serve two terms in the four last positions of the GB then you qualify to be in the top four. This why Bishop Valverde qualifies to be in the top four positions now.

factsonly1 said...

I would like to retract my previous statement. In it, I said that R4J steals. In retrospect, I have come to the realization that the real thieves are the AA GB. They steal churches, contributions of poor hard working people, and they steal votes.

They also deceive. They deceived 400+ pastors into thinking that the elections were done biblically and constitutionally when in realtiy they have taken the outcome of the election into their hands and wills and out of god's. So they stole that too.

Anonymous said...

To all bloggers,

We, the GB stole. This is the kind of tactics and schemes we do.

We work like the devil:
We slander
We steal
We lie
We cheat

What ever the I, the impostor who is using all of you says, do not believe, I am a liar.

I will be bloggin under many names.

yours truly,

The GB

P.S. We say the r4j are the devil but we love them to pieces! Please support r4j no matter what we say, we yell from the pulpit to slander them in our churches but that is just because they have done something so great. Something that will never be forgotten!

Voice from the Bay said...

Herlinda,

There is no ONE perfect. For the the culture that we have all created in that the minute someone is elected into an office...the people start to rip them (and families).

Yes, our highest leaders should be held to higher accountability that us. But not too high. They deserve nice things too, and the deserve a decent wage for their efforts.

Remember that they do not have the same luxuries that we as members have. (401Ks, real paid vacations, jobs where they can clock in/out).
They take their work home with them.

Their callings are to the office of Pastors, and work of the pastor is that of ministry. They didn't sign up for their possessions to be exploited, their children to be privately ridiculed, and they finances to public record.

If that were the case, that we all should open our checkbooks and we should all show that our 10% (plus offerings) is being accounted for.

But no, we won't do that, because we like to hide behind fake names, boast that "we really know what's going on", and we say things like "I just heard from a reliable source".

Please, the only real source of truth is God. And God is Judge, not us. We, however are called to witnesses, unto God.

I am afraid for of next generation of Pastors, because no longer will they have to fight against the Strategy of the Devil, but they will have to fight against the Agendas of the member.

My fear is that there has become only 1 church pew and hundreds of pulpits in every church.

Pastoring in itself is very difficult, so lets not add to it.

Anonymous said...

englishonlyplease

What about all the Pastors? Are they not in the same situation as the GB? They do not have jobs as the rest of the members either. Yet the GB didn't care and kicked them out anyway.

Anonymous said...

You are correct about decent, but what about when it comes to be they are "stealing" the wage instead of rightfully owning it.

This is factsonly1, the real one

signing off

whereswaldo said...

i have been there carlos and signed the visitors card look for the adress from san diego,

bro be honest with these farmers from tex ass who dont know any better,tell them there is no way that br can have more than 200 bodys in that church/valley colloege auditorioum,

i will be there to record and use my USMC counter intelligence training,thats right im stationed in Camp Pendelton and go visit my aunt on my non trainig weekends

r4jisthedevil said...

To Patrick,

It’s a shame how you work, that you revs of injustice stole my blog name.

• You say Skotty has done a great job but even he admitted “it was a crappy job” this is his quote.

• Any person with any intelligence can determine that the Zuniga tape was a set up. You mean to tell me that Zuniga has a hidden microphone in his big belly 24 hours a day seven days a week? You mean to tell me that Skotty was in the building 24/7 or was is just for this meeting.

• You discredit yourself with all the bloggers because it’s obvious this was a set up. And it shows the kind of man Zuniga is.

• He received the District officials with “Paz de Cristo” but had an evil plan in his heart.

Psalms 28:3-4
Don’t drag me away with the wicked, with those who do evil. They say “Peace” to their neighbors, but evil is in their hearts. Pay them back for what they have done,for their evil deeds. Pay them back for what they have done; give them their reward.


• Once again you and Zuniga are big liars because the judge ruled that the Qualifying board was in their right to use CID. Pg 4 section E and F of the court ruling.

Read and weep! “The court finds that there is no constitutional prohibition against member of the Qualifying committee using the CID or any other guideline….

• Zuniga lied in the video and you tried to cover for him, what liars no wonder he is your hero. Shouldn’t Jesus be your hero?

• The camera was not in plain view like you say, it was behind the back of the District official and it was dark. Why didn’t Zuniga use his office for the meeting, because he had an evil plan in his heart.

• Bishop Lopez humbly put Zuniga in his place.

• Zuniga called the district not the GB, he said himself you lied again.

• Now that the court documents are coming out, Zuniga and you once again are left as liars. I guess the Assembly is not suing for a piano are they? They are suing for property that belongs to the AA and for church property that was stolen (not just a piano).

• Villegas did sue the AA not vice versa. Big lie again!

Zuniga is a gifted speaker, but he needs to practice what he preaches. (reminds me of Sampson, gifted but no in the Spirit)

•No one is jealous of Zuniga, why didn’t your other hero, Baldemar Rodriguez, ever use him to speak at national activities? Because of his unfaithfulness to ministerial duties.


• There’s a big difference between home friendship groups and “Encuentros” any person with common knowledge know this. “Strategy of Jesus” is biblical and Encuentros are nothing but psychology.

• You said the Bishop never asked for his license but you lie, Pastor Abel Rodriguez asked him and Zuniga said he was not ready to turn his ministry over. Video four last part of the video. Don’t lie!

• Zuniga was not bombarded, what a lie, the Bishop did most of the Talking. And Zuniga prepared days for this scheme that didn’t work, because he still had to lie.

The R 4 injustice bloggers are ones that said Fernandez and Maffey where in the video. Do you even know the names of the Pastors in attendance? Why do you slander them?


The story about David and Goliath doesn’t fit here, it’s more like Cain and Abel who invited his brother to the field and then attacked him.


Patrick why don’t you speak the truth? No wonder Zuniga is your hero!

The only challenge I have in refuting your nonsense is lack of time.

The real factsonly1

r4jisthedevil said...

To all bloggers:

There is no sense in writing in this blog.

Twice the Revs of injustice have stolen my identity.

What are they trying to hide?

They now stole my new
r4jisthedevil identity.

This is the work of the devil!

leave this blog. They control it.

Thiefs and liars!

r4jisthedevil said...

To all bloggers:

The revs of injustice are stealing my identities. They now stole my new identity. This is the work of the devil

They are afraid of me, and the truth.

They now control this blog. Every get out!

whereswaldo said...

Every body in Texass has issues and bitterness........hummmm maybe Hank should go there too

And take his 40yr old virgin club from San ysidro with him maybe they will have better luck there..... On the otherhand maybe not!

But atleast try to get digits from ladies your age and leave the minors alone.
r4j is a joke

Skotty u should use the stairs in montebello to go up n down a few times to get rid of that gut

whereswaldo said...

Every body in Texass has issues and bitterness........hummmm maybe Hank should go there too

And take his 40yr old virgin club from San ysidro with him maybe they will have better luck there..... On the otherhand maybe not!

But atleast try to get digits from ladies your age and leave the minors alone.
r4j is a joke

Skotty u should use the stairs in montebello to go up n down a few times to get rid of that gut

whereswaldo said...

i know who skotty and hank are ,u guys should stop exploiding the minds of these teenagers,theyre already rebellious and dont need any more of yours.

u two should go jogging together and then MAYBE with some insane amount of luck you will get a girlfriend that is not a minor

Get a life losers!

Carlos said...

Whereswaldo,

The Devil is a LIAR!

You didn't think i would check the visitor's log, did you?

And u know skotty and hank, huh?

Lies from HELL!

Don't you realize how sad it is that you have to use LIES to try to discredit us? Doesn't that tell you ALOT about the side you are on?

And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32

Carlos said...

ATTENTION ALL BLOGGERS

Boycott whereswaldo.

He is a proven liar and phony

He claims that the SB Valley college auditorium cannot hold 240 people. If you go on the valley college website you will see that the Liberal AUD can seat up to 350.

He claims that he visited BR church and even signed our visitor's log.
LIES! LIES! LIES! There were NO visitors from San Diego on the logs. NONE

He claims there are only 74 members in our church. LIES LIES LIES.

BOYCOTT wheres waldo.

nonanonymous said...

okay...where is everybody at??

nonanonymous said...

carlos
where is sola dei gloria? i would like to chat with him.

sola dei gloria said...

sola dei gloria is here

nonanonymous said...

sola, there you are...awhile aga you posted that you were one of the few that could address the deity. im paraphrasing...i cant find the original post. i would like to chat with you about this.
by the way my name is Beth.

sola dei gloria said...

nonanonymous

The Apostolics divide God in Time. The trinitarians divide God in persons.

God is not divided.

There's the start.

whereswaldo said...

im sure the audtorioum can hold more than 200 but you know aswell as i do that 200 bodys dont attend services. cmon bro teel the truth

boycott me ?

im expressing the truth

whereswaldo said...

where is this valverde church at?

i went to the adress on file and it was offices not a church

nonanonymous said...

sola,
like in dispensations?

whereswaldo said...

i heard from my family up there that its a pretty good church plus they have english service

sola dei gloria said...

nonanonymous

A dispensation is a period and/or time when God dealt with man. We are now in the dispensation of grace.

The reflects more God's character.

This is a huge subject. It will be difficult to discuss on the blog.

Carlos said...

Whereswaldo,

You speak with such confidence!

So tell me why isn't your name on the visitor log, if you claim to have signed it? I bet you can't even tell what COLOR it is, can you?

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev 21:8

So tell me:

What special songs were sung?

Who MC'd?

What families were presented as new members to the church?

Where were you sitting at?

What time did service end?

whereswaldo said...

oh by the way carlos,
i dont have any sides
to me its just God,Country ,Marine Corps

ithink you and r4j is ajoke and the assembly is crooked

ive been overseas for the past 12 months defending your sorry butts and when i came back i see all this

i do know who skotty and hank are , i would like to take them on 5 mile run at 0400 and put them through some pt i think they would last till about 0415,i hate to see what you look like fatty

whereswaldo said...

oh by the way carlos,
i dont have any sides
to me its just God,Country ,Marine Corps

ithink you and r4j is ajoke and the assembly is crooked

ive been overseas for the past 12 months defending your sorry butts and when i came back i see all this

i do know who skotty and hank are , i would like to take them on 5 mile run at 0400 and put them through some pt i think they would last till about 0415,i hate to see what you look like fatty

nonanonymous said...

sola,
my email is lvroms@yahoo.com, or would my cell # be better?

Carlos said...

really?

u know skotty huh?

sad lie.

VERY sad lie.

Hank... maybe.

but skotty...

oh what a sad lie.

whereswaldo said...

yes believe it or not i do know who he is,ohh by the way i just saw that protest video and it does look like they are announcing a car wash

they should go protest the headquarters not a hotel

sola dei gloria said...

nonanonymous

I will email you in the morning.

Carlos said...
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whereswaldo said...

nice picture of you taking a picture of yourself.....whats wrong no friends? i know you dont have a girlfriend.

lets go trainig, instead of sitting at the bank eating donuts

nonanonymous said...

sola
thank you, bon nuit!

Carlos said...

At least I'm not a COWARD and hide behind anonymity and LIES.

So why haven't you answered the questions I asked?

LIAR

whereswaldo said...

look i dont need to lie i was there and thats it

oh but jackie rodriguez sure looked good,

too bad i didnt know her when she was single i know she would of rather have married a MARINE than an unemplyed wannabe fireman

nonanonymous said...

carlos

dont humor that. im sure you have better ways to use energy. dont give him the time.by the way im new here...my name is Beth.

Carlos said...

Don't hate cuz i got a good job that actually requires more than a AA from Bible college.

Btw, what makes you think i have no gf? The Devil is a liar!

You are not really from San Diego, are you LIAR?

whereswaldo said...

look to prove it ill go on sunday and take a picture of you and skotty and post

deal?

bro i was there,there is not 200 people there, and the service was boring,cavary chappel on base is better i would just go to mess with you and the rst of the losers

Carlos said...

take a pic of skotty???!!!


AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I.... CANT..... STOP.... LAUGHING!!!!

HELP ME JESUS!!!!

AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

you just discredited urself BIG TIME

OMG!

LIAR LIAR LIAR!

answer the questions LIAR!

whereswaldo said...

good job try to get one like mine

USMC 02200 MI

hoorah get some !

you wont hang fo a minute

whereswaldo said...

i just said jackie rodrigues to answer your ?s

look bro i was there

and i will be there again soon maybe on my next leave

Carlos said...

lies that whereswaldo has told:

1) He claims he's from San diego, yet he seems to know the rodriguez family, in particular Jacqui and her husband.... LIES! There is noone that was there from san diego and the marines and who know the the rodri fam. NADIE.

2)He claims hes been to DSAC. Lies from the devil himself.

3)He claims to know skotty, which any member of R4J is laughing to death about! LIES LIES LIES

Carlos said...

I asked you alot of questions buddy!

I will repeat them

So tell me why isn't your name on the visitor log, if you claim to have signed it? I bet you can't even tell what COLOR it is, can you?

What special songs were sung?

Who MC'd?

What families were presented as new members to the church?

Where were you sitting at?

What time did service end?

LIAR LIAR LIAR!

whereswaldo said...

i wish i could tell how i know skotty(that may not be his real name) but i do know who he is, i mean the guy taking the video
remember they used to hang out with Marines from 29 stumps,

ask again if i know them

Carlos said...

Seriously what is it about us that draws so much attention? Oh! I know! TRUTH!

Thats why guys from Fontana church are drilling some of our youth members with questions about our church and skotty.

So you wanna jump skotty? How christian of you.

GET A LIFE AND GET JESUS

whereswaldo said...

i think youre gay carlos,you look gay in that picture of you taking a picture of yourself

Carlos said...

HAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!
Oh the LIES!!!
are you talking about skotty?
Marines from 29 palms? HAHAHAHA!

OMG!

So you know alot about these rodriguez girls don;t you? pretty obsessive huh?

So i can see how that can relate to the girls but what does that have to do with skotty?

LIAR!

Carlos said...

excuse but no...

that kinda thing came from YOUR church (FOT) not mine.

Don;t think for a second you are fooling anyone with that San diego lie.

factsonly1 said...

Ok, ok, you got me...
this is Julio leal from Fontana...

thought i had you guys there...

DANG IT!

You know I love you jackie!

whereswaldo said...

i never said i want to jump skoty hes not a match for me.

and ill be honest ill be getting a transferr to recruting station in san bdno and im looking for a good church,iwent to visit that one (divine strenght) and what the blog says didnt match to what i saw.

ima hit the rack, i have training int he Am 0400

semper fi, you r4j losers

factsonly1 said...
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Carlos said...

O M G

no freeekin way!

I can't believe you!

I least you're not a coward anymore!

Now i see the obsession with the J sisters!

got it.

makes sense!

Carlos said...

WhereWaldo

I'm still waiting for those answers to those questions!

Skotty Will Show You said...

WHERESWALDO stated
"Skotty u should use the stairs in montebello to go up n down a few times to get rid of that gut"


Funny That You HAD tO POST THAT TWICE bECAUSE NOBODY PAID ANY ATTENTION TO YOU.

Thanks For The Suggestion But I will Not Stoop to Name CALLING...

BTW if you think im fat... you OBVIOUSLY HAVENT SEEN LUGO...

besides BEING FAT AND Apostolic IS a REQUIREMENT...

BTW...IF YOU KNOW ME...
GREET ME NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME WITH OPEN ARMS AND A LOVING HEART...

SKOTTY
btw I SHALL SEE ALL you FOT FLOR AZULERS ON SUNDAY!!!

BTW NEXT TIME YOUR PARENTS MAKE YOU GO TO BR'S CHURCH... DONT SHOW IT ON YOUR FACE SO MUCH...

;)

Skotty Will Show You said...

wHERES WALDO...

LIVING AT THE SALVATION ARMY DOESNT COUNT AS BEING IN THE MILITARY ...



COULDNT RESIST!!!
LOL

Skotty Will Show You said...

have no fear for all of you FOT'S

ill be at your church again on sunday... i wasnt there last weekend but ive been going for the past 3 weeks...

i think its funny that you all post hateful posts about myself and those affilliated with r4j...

bcuz when i see you at fot you greet me with open arms and handshakes...

Anonymous said...

FYI to the divin strentgh church

the Meza's tell me everything.

thats how i know

Skotty Will Show You said...

LOL wow FACTSONLY1 IS FINALLY JOINING R4J... PRAISE THE LORD BROTHER!

Unknown said...

Does anyone know what "expoiding" mean?

Carlos said...

Henry,

it's actually not a word. lol.

y?

Thanks for the memories said...

Where is Apostolic Analyst and Van? We haven't heard from you guys lately.

We miss your comments. You guys make a lot of sense and you bring balance to the blogs.

Can either of you clear up that whole mumbo-jumbo about the Valverde and Pacheco churches?

Who owns what and do the properties ultimately belong to the AA.

I understood that the properties originally belonged to the AA.

Apostolic Analyst, please reply.

LightHouse said...

Thanks_for_the_memories:

I am not "apostolic analyst," but i know the answer to your question.

Both temples are under the APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS, as the the constitution instructs. I do not know about the new Corona temple on Lincoln.

I do know that Bishop Pacheco and Bishop Valverde both have separate corporations.

However, I think that if anything were to happen, both these pastors can sign quit claim deeds and transfer them to another non profit corporation, as they are members of the general board.

It makes me very uneasy.

Skotty Will Show You said...

I always KNEW that Factsonly1 wanted to join R4J

I MEAN C'MON..

MATHEW 12:34

SAYS IT BEST RIGHT???

factsonly1 said...

To Skotty:

I would never join rev 4 injustice.
They are for the devil, and they use the tactics of the devil.
Since you can't fight with the truth, since you don't have it, you resort to stealing blog identities.

How low do you go. You guys are pathetic.

factsonly1 said...

To all bloggers:

The revs of injustice are totally discredited!

They have stolen peoples identities in this blog. They stop at nothing, cheating, lying, slandering, and stealing blog identities.

This is the kind of people some of the plaintiffs are now associated with.
How low have they fallen.

You cannot believe anything in this blog since you won't know if it's truly the real person or an impostor of r4injustice.

As you can see they have done the same thing to whereswaldo.

This is the real factsonly, I speak in front of God Almighty.

factsonly1 said...

i'm just kidding skotty.

I was just a little upset when I tried to join the R4J website and was DENIED

What the heck jen?!

I'm R4J's Biggest Fan!

Can't you tell by my unquenchable obsession with you??!

Anyways, I have go finish my memoirs... They are titled "The Flowers are Always Bluer in Fontana"

Look for it at www.cepublishinghouse.com

it will soon be available for all to read!

factsonly1 said...

whereswaldo,
Stop showing off by referring to your rigorous training regimen that you supposedly do.

Eating ham-n-cheese omelets at 0400 at the chow-hall is not considered excercise.

Now stop blogging and stop embarrassing yourself and go do what I pay you to do - defend this country.

Carlos said...

I wonder what in God's green earth has R4J stolen?

And people say we are the slanderers?

tsk tsk tsk....

For someone so holy, this guy has alot of anger in him... and even more judgment.

Typical AA.

Carlos said...

Go to sleep Factsonly1,
and during the times you pray, remember all this hate you are vividly representing. Ask for forgiveness and restoration. God forgive you.

Carlos said...
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Anonymous said...

No Offense Carlos

You do look a little fruity there bro.

I wouldnt be posting up any pics if I was you.

LL said...

pastor on the fence

Thank you for the info & that(transfer propert.) shouldn't suprise you (v & p) they are cousins!

Skotty Will Show You said...

WOW... Fax is really OUt of it now...


Dude'S prob Sitting at his comp thinking that R4J IS CONSPIRING AGAINST HIM... lol

PARANIOD BRO...!! JUST LIKE THE "Godly boys!"

Skotty Will Show You said...

Skotty Will Show You said...
WOW... Fax is really OUt of it now...


Dude'S prob Sitting at his comp thinking that R4J IS CONSPIRING AGAINST HIM... lol

PARANIOD BRO...!! JUST LIKE THE "Godly boys!"

August 21, 2008 10:09 AM


Lol spelled ParanOId WRONG... haha
my bad.

LL said...

Pastor on the fence

I believe they already had started buying properties under t/names.

LightHouse said...

II,

Brother, I did not know this.

Not that I doubt your word, but I must be absolutely certain.

Do you have parcel numbers? or deeds?

Please share this vital information with me.

Skotty Will Show You said...

Why Do Ppl Blame R4J when Bad Things Happen To them....

HOW Childish...

LL said...

pastor

I don't have parcels , I just know it's in the middle of the U.S.
Until I do, you just have to keep watching aa.info

LL said...

R4jdevil

regarding the Zuniga's video

One thing 4-sure the MIB are PUPPETS !!!

you mentioned that aa is suing Mendoza for property (as showned in docs) Do you know why they have NOT sued Joel Montes? (property is under his name!)

Seeker said...

II,

I think 2 main reason they are going after mendoza are

1. He is selling the church properity for his gain

2. Harris County and various taxing authorities have filed suit against the AA for $49,838.14 for baxk taxes, under Mendoza's watch!

What Joel Montes is doing is not right under the AA constitution but i doubt he is trying to sell the church property for his gain and pretty sure he is paying his taxes!

thinkfirst said...

To just_appalled,

You did not read my post right. called2 proclaim was trying to bash some hernandez family by using curse words, which I saved on my post. Then a few posts later (which called2proclaim deleted)he was chatting w/ soldeigloria and telling her that he was called to pastor a work(he deleted that one)

. So I was making fun of him because he said he was called to be a pastor and yet he uses curse words. But like I said you don't see all the facts because called2procalaim got scared and deleted some of his post.

Sorry to offend you when I spelled out the actual curse word. I did think about it and was a bad choice. And for you to come on this blog and have to read something like that was wrong.

cool?

thinkfirst said...

To all bloggers,

You are all THINKING toooo much into this!!!! Just state the facts and move on! NEXT!!!

Anonymous said...

So I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacccckkk!

I know you all missed me! Yesterday was insightful. This was my journey.

It was a 4 hour drive to the HQ. I arrived at 2:30 pm, yes 30 mins late.

I asked the lady at the desk for a person that goes by "thinkfirst" on the blog. She pulled me aside and secretly said "I know who you're talking about. He's here but he doesn't want to come out. Don't say anything but he does work here."

So I told her I would just wait, and that she should probably make an announcement to the offices that I was there. Patrick Ramirez. No one ever showed, they made an excuse that they were in a meeting.

Let me tell you though, the offices are a mess, hectic and unorganized!

I did hear yelling in the background while the young lady did call someone. I don't know who but they yelled at her over the phone.

The place looked a mess, papers everywhere.

There was alot of people scuffling around..

LL said...

Seeker

we must check if they are paid!

Anonymous said...

seeker

"What Joel Montes is doing is not right under the AA constitution but i doubt he is trying to sell the church property for his gain and pretty sure he is paying his taxes!"

So what Joel Montes is doing is UNCONSTITUTIONAL but it's okay because you feel that he is not selling the property for gain and you believe he's paying taxes?

Unconstitutional is UNCONSTITUTIONAL...could there be a lawsuit in the works for Joel Montes?

Seeker said...

II,

that is true, can someone check on this info?

Seeker said...

Patrick,

never said it was okay, read my post!

LL said...

Patrick & Carlitos

Welcome back!


Donde esta Henry?

Anonymous said...

Welcome back Carlitos!

ll

Who's Henry?

Seeker said...

I dont know if he is or isn't paying taxes, or selling church property; all I know is he took me out for sushi one day!
What a great guy!

Skotty Will Show You said...

Wheres Waldo??

Anonymous said...

Seeker

Sushi!? You lucky dog!!

The offices are so tight, I tried to get a snack out of the vending machine there and it took but money but wouldn't budge!

So now I invested a 1.50 in the offices and got nothing in return. I complained about it to the young lady but she told me she couldn't do anything about it. She tried to get someone for me but they all said they were out of the country!

Unknown said...

ll

Henry Reporting as Ordered Sir!

Anonymous said...

Henry nice to meet you

I'm Patrick Ramirez

called2proclaim said...

tHINK first:

r U there????

Anonymous said...

Well bloggers my lunch is over.

I have alot of work to catch up with after I took the day off yesterday.

Later

LL said...

Patrick

Out of the country? I'am sure alot of people are getting that same answer! Thank's for the laugh!

Henry,

What's cracking?

Unknown said...

How about those Olympic Games. USA all the way in Basketball. Kobe owns China!

I had a good laugh yesterday when someone accused me of dating minors. lol As if one would! lol

I'm partial to Apostolic Cougars myself. But old waldo is right, I don't date women my own age. I like them around 50 years old or so. Nothing like the Apostolic Cougars from Grupo Solteros. But they seem to think I'm after their Social Security Checks and AARP Discounts. lol

Tell yo mammas to watch out, ol Hanky Panky is looking for a dorca to take advantage of....

Unknown said...

Nothing like a toothless dorca from Grupo Solteros to take away my 40 year old virginity....

LL said...

Henry,

For the chino's to be Kobe's height they would have to attach two of them!

LL said...

Henry,
re:Michael Phelps

Just comes to earth to practice!

Carlos said...

Thank you fro the welcome,

However I must warn, I will not be here as often, I am working alot mote these days. I will try to pop in ever now and again to discredit these FOT losers.

So is it true that the flowers are always bluer in fontana? lol

called2proclaim said...

ALERT!!!!!NEWS..ALERT!!!

apostolicassembly.info
http://apostolicassembly.info/Others.html

http://apostolicassembly.info/Gregory%20Ruff%20vs%20AA.pdf

called2proclaim said...

Antonio C. Nava
Charitable Foundation



The Apostolic Church wants to make money off it’s members. Period. They stipulate that salvation, given by Christ, is predicated on how much you tithe and give to the church.

How perverted a doctrine is that?

How spiritually perverted is the Apostolic Church?

What kind of organization tries to make money off the death of its members? If you are a member of the Apostolic Church, your leadership is trying to make as much money possible off you, even after your very death.

Only a twisted and perverted church would try to make money off the death of its members. Only a twisted and perverted church would try to sell and market the exclusive rights of death to mortuaries and a cemetery.

The following document shows how far your Apostolic Church will go to line its pockets for its own personal financial gain. This organization has lost its soul, and sold itself to the dark forces here on earth.

whereswaldo said...

what's up fellas?i have a Little break so I will try to clear some things
it looks like some one used my name to discredit this guy julio idont know him

I'm moving to sb area and I'm looking for a church, know of any?
I went to dsac but its boring I'm not feeling it and there is not 200 bodies there

I do know who skotty and hank are two fattys

Baldemar isn't all that of a dynamic preacher,I think people follwed him cuz they feel sorry for him that he's old and got fired!

I'll chat later I'm going on amphibious execuses so be back Monday

Semper Fi ........you r4j. Losers

Unknown said...

Any update on Pastor Carlos Ceniceros? Is he still in the hospital? I would call but lets just say there is a conflict of interest there. I'll leave that one alone.
-Concerned

called2proclaim said...

cONCERNED...Y R U ALWAYS cONCERNED..

He is still in the hospital..
He is on Chimo THerapy...

LL said...

called2pro

I think all pastors have a life ins. policy (death) that would go to the spouse?

Unknown said...

Called to proclaim - thanks
by the way im not trying to be funny, in this case I really am concerned. There's hx there.
If he's getting chemo in the hospitlal it must be serious. ???
I dont know I just may bite the bullet and call.
thx again
-C

called2proclaim said...

The Pastors have to get there own insurannce out side from the AA..The AA will only offer..the spouse upon the death of their husband...75-100. their has been some cases that the wife recieves 500 monthly from the AA it just depends on who it is...(politics is involved) and favoritism

Just_Appalled said...

Thinkfirst

Like I said, I am appalled at the behavior of apostolic people in this forum. We are all very upset and frustrated with the events surrounding the church organization that we have been a part of for most of our lives. I did read your post correctly and did understand that called2proclaim was cursing and bashing the Hernandez family I also saw the posts that indicated he was called to be a pastor. I also saw that the posts made by called2proclaim were subsequently deleted.

My point to you, was that instead of saying that called2proclaim was Blank Blank-ing you should have said he was not truthful. Those are the words that the world uses and we should not even have them in our vocabulary. We shouldn’t even copy or abbreviate them. That’s all! Apology Accepted!! : ) There is Hope!

We should strive to be more like Christ.

LL said...

Justappalled

I don't use profanity nor, do allow it in my home.

called2proclaim said...

Just_Appalled said...
Thinkfirst

called2proclaim was cursing and bashing the Hernandez family
>>>>>Just_Appalled when did i ever say that...I respec t the HERNADEZ...show me..

I also saw the posts that indicated he was called to be a pastor. I also saw that the posts made by called2proclaim were subsequently deleted.

My point to you, was that instead of saying that called2proclaim was Blank Blank-ing you should have said he was not truthful. Those are the words that the world uses and we should not even have them in our vocabulary. We shouldn’t even copy or abbreviate them. That’s all! Apology Accepted!! : ) There is Hope!

.............................
tHINK fIRST IS a liar...
who r u>>>

Unknown said...

Is cursing part of the "apostolic" tradition?

Afterall, Apostolic is Apostle-Like. That being said, Apostle Peter was a known "Cursing Offender".

He cursed after being accused of being a Christ Follower. Jesus even forespoke about it.

If Apostle Peter had no problem dropping a few profanity laced words to the Roman Soldiers(Cops), he must have had a background(Priors) in cursing up a storm, prior to him meeting Jesus. Thus, part of his Christian Transformation.

Just thinking out loud.....

Ok, my apostolic brothers and sisters, take your liberty bashing me and calling me satan. Been there done that.....ED!!

called2proclaim said...
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Unknown said...

I personally am checking into a 12 Step Program to break my dependency on Church Cults.

Apo-Holic Anonymous

Symptoms of a Apo-holic

1. You live for Flor Azul Tamales.
2. Craving for a Service every
saturday.
3. Be in church for 40 years and
not saved a soul.
4. Spend Thanksgiving at a
convention.
5. Raise money for the bishops day
by having a car wash.
6. Thought you would get a brand
new Cutlass Supreme for $2,000
7. Your Bishop went to Seminary
in La Puente.
8. Only 3% of the jovenes you grew
up with are still in church.
9. You are 40 years old and still
sing in the "jovenes" choir!!
10. Have gone to "End Time" for
last 10 years. To NO END!!
11. You are a 40 year old virgin
and mocked by your apostolic
brothers for keeping celebacy.
12. Ugh.....I could go on
forever!!

called2proclaim said...

hENRY:
THATS FUNNY BUT ITS THE TRUTH...


we are simply being entertained and waISTING time...ACTIVITY THIS ATIVITY THAT... always doing and doing but never BECOMING!

unhe2 said...

To: Seeker
como puedes acusar al pastor Mendoza sin saber la realidad de los hechos, de que se quiera vender una propiedad pequena para pagar la cuenta engrandecida por la AA del la propiedad grande para el beneficio de la misma AA, y sin que a ellos les aiga costado ni una gota, yo no miro ninguna injusticia de parte de mi Pastor, y si quieres saber mas para que no andes dando informacion herrada, pues informate mejor, que te puedo decir de la md, si ellos mismos se estan formando testimonio, nada mas sigue leendo los blogs.

called2proclaim said...

unhe 2:

tienes razon....eso no es de DIOS.

Just_Appalled said...

Henry, Henry!

You have a point. I don’t know how long called2proclaim or thinkfirst have been Christians. I have been a Christian for many years and was taught at a very early age that even the word “stupid” was a bad word. Therefore, these words are not in my vocabulary.

However, many concerned people are reading these posts and we as Christians are not setting a good example for non-believers. Also, other church organizations are looking here for information and we are not making a very good presentation

Yes, many issues and facts are coming out into the open that should be addressed. There should be more talk about what we think should be done to remedy these issues.

Solutions like forming a Constitution and Revision committee to; make amendments to the current Constitution to address what took place at the 2006 Elections and to come up with a fair and equitable way to chose the men of God that will be responsible the AA organization. Also, to address the church property situation that is happening. Many of the people from their respective congregations have worked hard and have toiled many long years for the properties where they congregate. Obviously, the way the constitution addresses these issues are not effective in operating the organization and changes should be made.

Let’s pray and ask God to help us in this dilemma.

called2proclaim said...

Just_Appalled said...
Thinkfirst

I also saw that the posts made by called2proclaim were subsequently deleted.

My point to you, was that instead of saying that called2proclaim was Blank Blank-ing you should have said he was not truthful. Those are the words that the world uses and we should not even have them in our vocabulary. We shouldn’t even copy or abbreviate them. That’s all! Apology Accepted!! : ) There is Hope!

We should strive to be more like Christ.

August 21, 2008 3:05 PM
................................

Just_Appalled said...
Henry, Henry!

You have a point. I don’t know how long called2proclaim or thinkfirst have been Christians. I have been a Christian for many years and was taught at a very early age that even the word “stupid” was a bad word. Therefore, these words are not in my vocabulary.

Let’s pray and ask God to help us in this dilemma.

August 21, 2008 6:14 PM
.............................

Correct me if im wrong people but didnt JUST_appel contradict himself by spelling and writting the word stupid even tho he knows its a bad word....
Just_Appalled corrects thinkfirst by sayimg such words shouldent be in our vocabulary...

Remembering said...

Henry, the Apo-Holic Anonymous 12 Step Program is too funny!!!
You might want to make copies and have them posted on the bulletin boards in all the AA churches to inform them that help is available. GREAT JOB!!!

called2proclaim said...

Just_Appalled said...
Thinkfirst

I also saw that the posts made by called2proclaim were subsequently deleted.

My point to you, was that instead of saying that called2proclaim was Blank Blank-ing you should have said he was not truthful. Those are the words that the world uses and we should not even have them in our vocabulary. We shouldn’t even copy or abbreviate them. That’s all! Apology Accepted!! : ) There is Hope!

We should strive to be more like Christ.

August 21, 2008 3:05 PM
................................

Just_Appalled said...
Henry, Henry!

You have a point. I don’t know how long called2proclaim or thinkfirst have been Christians. I have been a Christian for many years and was taught at a very early age that even the word “stupid” was a bad word. Therefore, these words are not in my vocabulary.

Let’s pray and ask God to help us in this dilemma.

August 21, 2008 6:14 PM
.............................

Correct me if im wrong people but didnt JUST_appel contradict himself by spelling and writting the word stupid even tho he knows its a bad word....
Just_Appalled corrects thinkfirst by sayimg such words shouldent be in our vocabulary...

Anonymous said...

www.revolutionaries4justice.ning.com

Come join and fellowship in peace! To discuss current affairs and support our Pastors, whether they are in or out of the AA!

In this network you can create your own profile and chat with friends or get to know more of the brethern!

Post pictures, music, church events, activities, etc...

Get in touch, Stay involved!

Unknown said...

Only in the Apostolic Assembly can a "Joven" go through a Mid-Life Crisis. lol

Just_Appalled said...

Called2proclaim

As I stated my parents would not let me say the word “stupid”. They must have thought for some reason, it was a bad word especially the way some people abused this word. However, as I got the definition of this word, I made an intelligent determination that it was not a bad word after all. My parents just didn't want me to use it, and I respected them for their teaching.

The meaning of stupid – in case you think it is a bad word is . . .

Unintelligent: lacking intelligence, a person who is not very bright. Dazed: in a state of mental numbness especially as resulting from shock. Lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity

Called2proclaim I really don’t understand why you can’t take advice without trying to discredit or look for a way to discredit the benefactor.

I’m still praying for all of you in this forum that you will use your words wisely.

normago said...

Question: If Bro Pacheco received only two votes...who received the other votes?

Seeker said...

Unhe2,

Si es que sabes la verdad de lo que sucedió, infórmanos pues. Que era lo que tu pastor vendía y para que lo estaba vendiendo. No Acuso a nadie solamente repetí lo que decía los documentos de la info site.

Si es que eso documentos están herradas, explícame el porque!

unhe2 said...

To: Seeker
esos documentos son solo falsas acusaciones con el fin de difamar al siervo de Dios, la iglesia tiene una propiedad pequena a unas cuantas cuadras del el templo, ni si quiera se puso en venta, solo se hacian planes esperando que la propiedad subiera de precio,mas nunca se llevo acabo tal venta. y como te repito, era con el fin de bajar la cuanta con la AA, pero deja que salgan los resultados en la corte y entonces veremos, nada mas entiende una cosa que la mentira dura mientra que la verdad sale a luz. Dijo nuestro Senor el arbol por su fruto es conocido.

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

reading the first few pages of the recently posted "To W. Mendoza" letter, you would think that the AA is currently being run by a military Junta! lol

Did the gb declare Marshall Law on
April 3, 2008?

Who was present, who approved, who proposed the newly adopted resoltuions? What was the AHEM vote tally in the decision to adopt these resolutions?

And why that day, why not wait till the next convention?

If you can change your governing document on a whim, then your governing document must not be wirth much.

wow, malverde did learn from the best (BUSHED!!!!)


in case there are anyy keith olberman fans in here.. LOL

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Did anyone read Article 7 of the "facts Clause"

the GB thinks you dumb ignorant immigrants are too naive, and will get ripped off by your local pastor.. LOL (sarcasm, geez, keep reading)

so it skillfully steals your churches/properties directly from the HQ instead!!!!

LOL.. oh my lord... this is too funny, and a bit sad.

You AA, have been BUSHED once again!! lol

Anonymous said...

chairman mao

You speak truth chairman mao. My question, what does malverde really think of his own wife?

"Raquel was born on December 1, 1957in Tijuana, Baja Calif. México..."

Taken from FOT website.

accion said...

Amen to that.

Anonymous said...

More info from the FOT site.

Carlos Torres immigrated to the United States at the young age of fifteen and immediately found much more than the American Dream.

So how is malverde explaining Article 7 to his church?

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

The Gregory Ruff case is baseless, and you can not sue on perceived or hoped profits.. lol

bur regadless is hillarious.. just like the AA..

why don;t they realize their gold mine is the AA-members, not outside business!! geez lol

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