So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?
Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.
Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.
You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.
I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".
Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.
You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.
Back to the Revolutionaries...
If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.
I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.
Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire
ps.
For our revolutionaries....
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A good portion of topic on "this blog" has been about VP / VP2 and the accident. I even seen court docs on this blog?!. I'm from LA so of course you hear the "did you hear" kinda stories but none of it adds up. My niece is friends with the family but never wanted to ask her directly. Im more curious then "concerned".
thx for the reply anyhow.
patrick,
Yes, still here! Leaving in a few though. Don't miss me too much I will be back on Wednesday. And as for gq19??- Didn't you read her last post? She was off work @ 3:oo.
Awww... are you bored? You have nobody to fight with. Looks like 2vote is on. Fight with him. He loves to fight!Soory 2vote I'm just trying to help out my ol' buddy Patrick.
And looks like I made Fedup THNIKfirst about his actions and now he is punished in the corner. That boy has a dirty mouth. haha!!
Is it just me or is thinkfirst infatuated with twovote?
thinkfirst you better thinkfast because it's getting old!
P.S. How do you know concerned is lady? Please do tell!
Bye bye thinkfirst, I'm going to miss you oh so much!
Hey bloggers, seems the headquarters are leaving for the day!
I guess we'll hear from factsonly, onlythelonely, and all those groupies later on tonight!
Infatuated? I guess you can say that. It's a free country. Right?
patrick said,
thinkfirst you better thinkfast because it's getting old!
Did you learn that from all those really bad sponge bob jokes they threw at you?
I know what gender everyone is on this blogspot. You ol' buddy are a boy.
To patrick,
Ok see you tomorrow @ the HQ office 1:oo, right? So we can talk like grown ups and solve problems.
Peace out my ol buddy ol pal.
Concerned said...
?? SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ??
no speculations please.
Ok so we all know what happened to VP2 and Pastor Zunigas young daughter. I just have a few questions and this is no disrespect to anyone I am simply curious.
1 Were they related?
2 Were there any other passengers?
3 Were they hit or what actually happened?
Im just trying to figure out how all this came about and if there is such an age differnce why they were driving alone together? In my era "Assemblea Apostolico de la fe in Cristo Jesus" even if you were not "courting" u could not be alone with the opposite sex and as weird as this sounds this rule applied even to "cousins" and I know a few churches who still "PRACTICE" such customs. I will save you the math, Im in my mid/high 30's.
CAN SOMEONE ANY ONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS????
Call 2 Proclaim ? Are you feeling Ok? You keep paste and copying what Concerned posted?
I just want him/her too not be CONCERNED anymore...it worries me.
LOL!OK! Sorry! I was just a little concerned about YOU! But I see you have everything under control.
Thinkfirst:
r u from CA?
you dont have to thinkfirst about my ?s
yes
Bro. Ramirez,
I read your letter and praying that God will continue to bless you.
Do you have a ministry? and if so where? If you are a pastor we need more men like you.
We preach restoration, we sing restoration and we study restoration but we don't practice it very much.
The letter was well written and to the point.
ThinkFirst:
do I have you thinking...?
Knock Knock??
Abel Rodriguez and Martin Campo are not the men you think they are. I know for certain they have hidden dark secrets. See, I used to be a counselor back at the LA District Camps when Buddy Ybarra was the camp director.
Abel Rodriguez and Martin Campo used to run past the girls showers and go down the cocina, sneak in, and watch the hermanas cook breakfast. One night, after lights out, me and brother Gus, heard some noises coming from the dining hall. The doors were forced open. When we went in, we saw the camp frigerator had been broken into. They stole all the frozen hershy bars the hermanas were going to use to mix with the champurado.
Only seconds after that, we heard more noises outside. We thought they were bears. No, me and brother Gus went out to investigate. What we saw were brother Abel and Martin stuffing chocolate bars down their thoats.
We had them cornerd. But they made a run for the cabins. Of course, it didn't take us much to catch them because they couldnt run so fast. In fact, they couldn't run at all. It was more like a fast walk. We reported them to their pastors, but they only swept this under the rug. Year after year, the hermanas would complain that their refrigerators would be broken into. Year after year, the general board and district would cover it up. When they were in the last year of camp at camp seely, they were so bold to break into the camp store and steal all the cheetoes and ice creams.
Now they are pastors. Flor Azul is for them to rule. I hear from old friends in high places that they are taking tamales for themselves without reporting it on the balance sheet. These men have no conscious. No tamale is safe in the church. These men must be stopped. How many chairs must be broken? How many Cocina must be robbed of tacos, tortas and burritos?
Hermanos, are your cocinas safe tonight?
In Cali. we say 'come in' when someone says 'knock knock'
BlacK Horse:
thats funny...but true..
sorry i mean DARK.HORSE..
To all bloggers and revolutionaries of injustice:
I see that you all missed me especially two-vote, since he’s afraid that I come on the blog.
He mentions me a lot, I must have left a good impression on him. Don’t worry I must have left a good impression on all the ONLYS that have started blogging.
Skotty you’re back to your sick twisted freakiness.
Reasons why your video of Zuniga is nothing but trash:
1. Because it’s associated with Skotty and everything he produces is trash. Skotty is an angel showing up in strange places (like the songs in the video says), but an angel of darkness and false and sneaky deeds.
2. Because only twisted people would think a scheme of having a hidden camera and a hidden microphone and try to set up real men of God.
3. Because David Zuniga lied in the video.
4. Because when Bishop Lopez asked Zuniga for proof for his statements he never gave a real response. He couldn’t respond asked to give Biblical support to sue the church.
5. Because although they had all the time to prepare for this scheme it’s was still unprofessional (cheap, poor, sorry) video and sound. I guess it reflects the work Skotty does.
6. Because although the District official came as friends Zuniga was attempting to set them up to stab them in the back.
7. Because Zuniga has been looking for way to leave the Assembly for years and he use the latest happenings to deceive everyone into thinking he really cares about it.
8. Zuniga complains that his credential was suspended for not sending tithes of tithes using the excuse that the church didn’t have money yet there was 300K in the bank by his own statements.
Zuniga lies:
1. That the judge declared that the C.I.D was not approved by the pastors. (Zuniga was rebuked and corrected when the Bishop told him he had the document of the findings of the Judge with him). Caught in BIG LIE!
2. That the church didn’t have money to send tithes of tithes.
3. That the assembly is suing W. Mendoza for a piano.
4. He said that 1 Cor. 6:1-7 only prohibited small law suits. What a big lie!
5. That the AA sued Pastor Villegas from Texas when in fact Villegas sued the Assembly.
6. All the false accusations against the General Board.
Other facts:
1. The court declared and found no reason or nothing unlawful to redo the 2006 elections. Accepted and take your defeat and stop crying!
2. Why has Zuniga never preached in a service of the Sector, District, or National Convention. Certainly it’s not because of preaching abilities but because of lack of character and faithfulness in his ministerial duties. (Even Baldemar R. never invited him to speak at the national level.)
3. He practices “Encuentros” something that is not Biblical and even anti Biblical. What happen to Miguel Gallegos and his investigation, why isn’t he saying anything now, what hypocrisy.
4. If he surrendered the building why didn’t he surrender his ministerial license of the AA.
5. Although Zuniga tried to pull a fast one and cheated by not informing the District officials about the video tape he still stood corrected and put in his place by a humble man Bishop Salvador Lopez.
9. How can someone who is supposed to be a man of God, call fellow pastors and receive them with a hug, and say he loves them and appreciate them and not informed them that they are being video taped and recorded. And then post this video on Youtube. That’s the kind of man David Zuniga is.
10. The rev. of injustice have been speaking evil of the District officials and they haven’t even been able to identify them correctly. Ron Fernandez wasn’t even there, or Sergio Maffey like some have wrongly stated.
Many of you hail David Zuniga as your new hero. What a joke!
But I guess it fits you well, since you admire lies, defamation, and assumptions.
More and more things will be coming out of David Zuniga your “HERO”
Dark.horse
Hey, thanks for the laugh!
To all bloggers and revolutionaries of injustice:
I see that you all missed me especially two-vote, since he’s afraid that I come on the blog.
He mentions me a lot, I must have left a good impression on him. Don’t worry I must have left a good impression on all the ONLYS that have started blogging.
Skotty you’re back to your sick twisted freakiness.
Reasons why your video of Zuniga is nothing but trash:
1. Because it’s associated with Skotty and everything he produces is trash. Skotty is an angel showing up in strange places (like the songs in the video says), but an angel of darkness and false and sneaky deeds.
2. Because only twisted people would think a scheme of having a hidden camera and a hidden microphone and try to set up real men of God.
3. Because David Zuniga lied in the video.
4. Because when Bishop Lopez asked Zuniga for proof for his statements he never gave a real response. He couldn’t respond asked to give Biblical support to sue the church.
5. Because although they had all the time to prepare for this scheme it’s was still unprofessional (cheap, poor, sorry) video and sound. I guess it reflects the work Skotty does.
6. Because although the District official came as friends Zuniga was attempting to set them up to stab them in the back.
7. Because Zuniga has been looking for way to leave the Assembly for years and he use the latest happenings to deceive everyone into thinking he really cares about it.
8. Zuniga complains that his credential was suspended for not sending tithes of tithes using the excuse that the church didn’t have money yet there was 300K in the bank by his own statements.
Zuniga lies:
1. That the judge declared that the C.I.D was not approved by the pastors. (Zuniga was rebuked and corrected when the Bishop told him he had the document of the findings of the Judge with him). Caught in BIG LIE!
2. That the church didn’t have money to send tithes of tithes.
3. That the assembly is suing W. Mendoza for a piano.
4. He said that 1 Cor. 6:1-7 only prohibited small law suits. What a big lie!
5. That the AA sued Pastor Villegas from Texas when in fact Villegas sued the Assembly.
6. All the false accusations against the General Board.
Other facts:
1. The court declared and found no reason or nothing unlawful to redo the 2006 elections. Accepted and take your defeat and stop crying!
2. Why has Zuniga never preached in a service of the Sector, District, or National Convention. Certainly it’s not because of preaching abilities but because of lack of character and faithfulness in his ministerial duties. (Even Baldemar R. never invited him to speak at the national level.)
3. He practices “Encuentros” something that is not Biblical and even anti Biblical. What happen to Miguel Gallegos and his investigation, why isn’t he saying anything now, what hypocrisy.
4. If he surrendered the building why didn’t he surrender his ministerial license of the AA.
5. Although Zuniga tried to pull a fast one and cheated by not informing the District officials about the video tape he still stood corrected and put in his place by a humble man Bishop Salvador Lopez.
9. How can someone who is supposed to be a man of God, call fellow pastors and receive them with a hug, and say he loves them and appreciate them and not informed them that they are being video taped and recorded. And then post this video on Youtube. That’s the kind of man David Zuniga is.
10. The rev. of injustice have been speaking evil of the District officials and they haven’t even been able to identify them correctly. Ron Fernandez wasn’t even there, or Sergio Maffey like some have wrongly stated.
Many of you hail David Zuniga as your new hero. What a joke!
But I guess it fits you well, since you admire lies, defamation, and assumptions.
More and more things will be coming out of David Zuniga your “HERO”
To all bloggers and revolutionaries of injustice:
I see that you all missed me especially two-vote, since he’s afraid that I come on the blog.
He mentions me a lot, I must have left a good impression on him. Don’t worry I must have left a good impression on all the ONLYS that have started blogging.
Skotty you’re back to your sick twisted freakiness.
Reasons why your video of Zuniga is nothing but trash:
1. Because it’s associated with Skotty and everything he produces is trash. Skotty is an angel showing up in strange places (like the songs in the video says), but an angel of darkness and false and sneaky deeds.
2. Because only twisted people would think a scheme of having a hidden camera and a hidden microphone and try to set up real men of God.
3. Because David Zuniga lied in the video.
4. Because when Bishop Lopez asked Zuniga for proof for his statements he never gave a real response. He couldn’t respond asked to give Biblical support to sue the church.
5. Because although they had all the time to prepare for this scheme it’s was still unprofessional (cheap, poor, sorry) video and sound. I guess it reflects the work Skotty does.
6. Because although the District official came as friends Zuniga was attempting to set them up to stab them in the back.
7. Because Zuniga has been looking for way to leave the Assembly for years and he use the latest happenings to deceive everyone into thinking he really cares about it.
8. Zuniga complains that his credential was suspended for not sending tithes of tithes using the excuse that the church didn’t have money yet there was 300K in the bank by his own statements.
Zuniga lies:
1. That the judge declared that the C.I.D was not approved by the pastors. (Zuniga was rebuked and corrected when the Bishop told him he had the document of the findings of the Judge with him). Caught in BIG LIE!
2. That the church didn’t have money to send tithes of tithes.
3. That the assembly is suing W. Mendoza for a piano.
4. He said that 1 Cor. 6:1-7 only prohibited small law suits. What a big lie!
5. That the AA sued Pastor Villegas from Texas when in fact Villegas sued the Assembly.
6. All the false accusations against the General Board.
Other facts:
1. The court declared and found no reason or nothing unlawful to redo the 2006 elections. Accepted and take your defeat and stop crying!
2. Why has Zuniga never preached in a service of the Sector, District, or National Convention. Certainly it’s not because of preaching abilities but because of lack of character and faithfulness in his ministerial duties. (Even Baldemar R. never invited him to speak at the national level.)
3. He practices “Encuentros” something that is not Biblical and even anti Biblical. What happen to Miguel Gallegos and his investigation, why isn’t he saying anything now, what hypocrisy.
4. If he surrendered the building why didn’t he surrender his ministerial license of the AA.
5. Although Zuniga tried to pull a fast one and cheated by not informing the District officials about the video tape he still stood corrected and put in his place by a humble man Bishop Salvador Lopez.
9. How can someone who is supposed to be a man of God, call fellow pastors and receive them with a hug, and say he loves them and appreciate them and not informed them that they are being video taped and recorded. And then post this video on Youtube. That’s the kind of man David Zuniga is.
10. The rev. of injustice have been speaking evil of the District officials and they haven’t even been able to identify them correctly. Ron Fernandez wasn’t even there, or Sergio Maffey like some have wrongly stated.
Many of you hail David Zuniga as your new hero. What a joke!
But I guess it fits you well, since you admire lies, defamation, and assumptions.
More and more things will be coming out of David Zuniga your “HERO”
It was probably videotaped for protection from people such as yourself making up lies! Talk about distorting the truth!
factsonly1,
Well, well, well......look who's here.
LiesONLY:
They all new the sign WAS in FRONT of there FACES.....
LIES.ONLY...
There is no excuse that they were not notified about a camera watching 24/7...look again..lies only
called2proclaim,
In Cali. we say 'come in' when someone says 'knock knock'
August 18, 2008 4:46 PM
thinkfirst said...
In Cali. we say 'come in' when someone says 'knock knock'...
How long did it take you to learn that?
2 called to proclaim,
Not long, why? Did you want me to teach you a few things about knocking?
R u from Cali?
To Sister Rita Salomon
You gave us the impression when you were "riding High" in the AA that you did not need any of us.
One time I answered the phone when you called our home and you practically "yelled" at me that you were not asking to speak to me but to someone else in our home.
You were extremly rude...
You never gave us the impression that you "cared" at all for any of us.
Now you do...I am really disappointed that you had to stoop
so low as to beg the gb.
You most of all, and your husband should know, you practiced this, that you do not beg men.
You may plead with the Lord and tarry in prayer, but not to men.
Don't you know this?
Sorry to say, but I can truly say you being an "Adame" and from San Bernardino...does not give you much
goed "breeding".
Maybe you have a Univeristy Degree, but COMMON SENSE, AND WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE comes from the Lord...And you both left this out of your daily lives.
Sanchez, Valverde etc.,are really impossible, but you goofed..leaving the AA and all of us to these heathens...But two years will go fast and then you can
come back fully repented..
Well pray for you...
The Blogmaster said it best.
Call2proclaim lies,
Those signs can appear at any public building, that doesn't mean you have an unprofessional video person with a camera and a hidden microphone hiding in a big stomach. So after the set up recording you can see people hiding coming down the stair with the camera. Are you serious?
Called2proclaim said-
How long did it take you to learn that?
Are you in a fighting mood now? Ok I'm not so c-ya.
To LIES ONLY...YES IM SERIOUSE IT WAS THE CHURCH OF ZUNIGA AT THAT TIME AND HE COULD HAVE DONE EVEN MORE..but catching them on video was all that was needid it was EPIC!
think first:
yes im from CALI..
called 2 proclaim lies,
Sure it showed the real character of your "hero" david zuniga
Hahahaa factsonly1 hahahahahaha
I'll respond fully to your nonsense later!
As far as I know the camera was in plain view and there was no hidden set up.
The truth hurts and the video did not lie!
Pastor Zuniga IS MY HERO!! He is an HONORABLE MAN and all you are doing is spreading vicious lies.
The general board is seething green with greed and envy...I think we should now call them the honorable Mocositos!!
How low can you go general board? That you have to come on the blog as "factsonly1" just to try to save yourselves and slander others? Then again if I didn't have a heart I would probably be the same way!
P.S. Is the meeting over already? Oh that's right it is..it's passed 5 pm!
TO Concerned:
Cesiah Zuniga & VP2 were the only ones in that vehicle. They were friends, VP2 was interested in Cesiah's older sister Karen, which happened to be in the second vehicle behind them, along with Nathaniel which is the only Zuniga boy and the other sister. The Zuniga kids saw the whole accident unfold they saw VP2 speeding and they saw their sister die in front of them... VERY TRAGIC!
he is not my HERO...you and your lies..when did i say he is my hero.. he simply is a Man of God THAT played the same game the Dirty GB was and is playing..what goes around comes around..u know this!
FactsOnly1: common' prima... get over yourself and the AA...
called2 proclaim,
you don't have worry about Concerned anymore! FYI to the rescue!
FYI:
thanks for helping CONCERNED he/she was starting to worry me..
BUT HOW TRAGIC....
I'm out! C-ya much later. It looks like factsonly1 can school you now. Factsonly1 please inform these ignorant bloggers! Thank you!
Yes, very tragic.
bye bye
Think first:
you remind me of the kids that dont listen, dont know any better, at time seem to be SLOW..and they always seem to do everyhing wrong..and you hear their parents yellin to them PIENSA PRIMERO!
It seems equally plain to this court that the CID was not incorporated into the constitution by a way of an amendment.
Quote Judge
Hearing Transcript
page 4 18,19 and 20
The question that many are asking themselves is: Can a brother be taken to court in light of I Corinthians 6? The answer is two-fold. 1.) Yes it is possible to take a brother to court if he is behaving as a gentile or pagan. In verse 9 it states that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If it is for a worthy cause of a whole, be it a society, entity, congregation or family, they can be taken to court because the magistrate has been placed by God. An example is when a brother/sister has violated a minor or committed fraud then you need to proceed otherwise you become part of it by your silence. In our case, the Texas Penal Code has language on its books that dictate for clergy to report to law enforcement when he/she becomes aware of a minor that has been violated. In essence it states this: The Texas Penal Code #11166, demands that in the capacity of spiritual counselors, we must report every case of abuse or negligence that we come in contact as we are counseling. In this vein involving the penal code in matters of this nature, should we involve the court? 2.) It is not possible to take a brother to court if it be for wrath, envy, selfishness or personal motives. For this we have wise persons that can help us resolve said cases to which the Apostle Paul calls them small things in verse 2. When these measures are taken as in the first case, even the unbelievers are admonished in this measure of justice in that through it we give good testimony that the LORD’s church does not cover or hide aforementioned cases. In the second case we are giving a bad testimony in that we do not reflect the character of Christ which is to love and forgive.
This chapter as well as the previous one mentions various things that need to be pointed out. We are not demanding the brethren as you reference but the behavior of the brethren as evidence by chapter 5:5 in which the one is “to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that the spirit may be saved”. Here the Apostle Paul has performed a dichotomy on this brother. Furthermore on that note, we the petitioners/consenters are not demanding the brethren per se but the individual’s behavior within an organizational context. Please bear in mind that the system of governance of our fellowship is one that was foreign to the first century church, therefore the argument or rebuttal to the efforts are muted. The first century church did not have the “chain-of-command” (layperson, deacon, ordained minister, pastor, auxiliary elder, bishop supervisor and board member) that we operate in. This style of governance was “copied and pasted” by us from Ignatius of Antioch (the father of the episcopate system). The Church does not need the episcopate system as we have come to know it; it is the organization that needs it.
Questions that we would do well in pondering…
1. Do you remember when God used a pagan system (Babylonian Empire) to judge His people (Judah) when there was unrighteousness done in which the Prophet Habakkuk complains to God about? Incidentally, the term “unrighteous” is a legal term.
2. Has our fellowship, the Apostolic Assembly, not been plaintiffs in cases that have involved organizational matters such as Pastors Félix Rubén MartÃnez- Houston, Salvador Rodarte- Dallas, Salvador Villegas- Austin and Antonio Lugo- San Antonio? All these cases are from our state of Texas of which there is public record of their outcome in their respective counties? All these men became defendants and won their respective cases with the exception of Pastor Antonio Lugo who ran out of money to defend himself.
3. Is not the Apostolic Assembly a California non-profit corporation governed by laws of that state? If we are, then we need to comply with all its requirements as stated by the legislature of the state. Therefore, when there are anomalies, we need to help rectify them through the means that are available us.
Quote Pastor Saul Avila
Hi fagsonly1 one, How are you? Are you and Sam free now? Or should I call later?
Pastor, usted realiza otro Retiro EvangelÃstico Calendar Strategy of Jesus October 23,24, 25 AA website. In other words Encuentros.
VIII. All funds received on the sale of church buildings and real estate belonging to the Apostolic Assembly, and all other incomes of loans, mortgages or loans of whatever nature, must be put into an account
CONSTITUTION Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus
38
under the name of the “APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.” Said funds shall be deposited with joint signatures of the Bishop General Treasurer, District Bishop, and Pastor. Those funds shall be administered in agreement with the congregation, the Pastor, Supervising Bishop, and the General Board of Directors.
AA Constitution
To Accion:
Splendid and wondefully response 2the issue of "We can sue brethren"
One another note- we hear that the
David Hernandez family from FLC is
now out of the LA area, gone 4ever
They were left out in the streets!
Can anyone please confirm this ...
LOL Dark Horse you almost made me pee I was LOL so much.
On a more serious note what were Paul not the apostole and Reena doing behind the pulpit.
called2be-lame-O said,
you remind me of the kids that dont listen, dont know any better, at time seem to be SLOW..and they always seem to do everyhing wrong..and you hear their parents yellin to them PIENSA PRIMERO!
Well you remind me of a grown up that fights with little kids, and does know better, but you do it anyway because you have emotional well-ness issues.
You apostolics enjoy fighting ...I know that much. And your only doing all this fighting because your 'ANONYMOUS'!
I'M FINDING OUT HOW YOU PEOPLE REALLY ARE. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
Here's my CID.
1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be:
blameless,
the husband of one wife,
temperate,
sober-minded,
of good behavior,
hospitable,
able to teach;
That pretty much eliminates them all.
Added my own CID
1. Must have won the election by more then 2 votes.
2. Must have never threaten anyone with kicking their ass.
3. Never claim to have the _alls to do it.
4. Never send your goons to do your dirty work.
5. Don't mess with Texas
Anybody in the LA area ...
Can you confirm or shoot down a buzz that Pastor David Hernandez's family is gone or moving out of the LA area?
We hear that they were left with NADA and were left out in the streets ...
TO GQ1973
"want to talk about scams, there is some lawyer coming around our Northwest Texas District claiming to represent the AA, and all the Pastor's have to do is sign some paperwork to become part of the corporation of TX, guess what, read the documentation, if you are a Pastor in the AA, there is no need to sign any paperwork because as the paperwork states, all actions of the new corporation will be held by the Corporation of CA, that means that you are already a member and do not need to sign anything, you are still a member of the Apostolic Assembly. I am figuring, the undeducated Pastors will probably sign and they(the plaintiffs) will use those signatures to join the new divided church, or take those signatures of the Pastors to the GB, and twist why the paperwork was signed.
If anyone knows the real reason for that lawyer, can you please post??"
You have 66 books no answers there Huh? You FOOL!!
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
August 18, 2008 7:44 AM
To Porq:
Confirmed! They moved...
To Porq:
Isaac & his family were the only ones that moved.
Sister Hernandez had to move in with some family.
Keep them in your prayers!
To:
middleoftheroad,
I never said I sided with Sanchez, my personal opinion is that he is a two faced person. If you recall one of my earlier post I mentioned how he sold his ministerial license early in his minsistry. Just to marry a couple of hippies that were into grass and alcohol. Wonder how much he got paid for that holy matrimony? Man of God! Yea Right!!!
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
Thank you fyi:
We sure will keep them in our prayers
My! This once more and again proves that the AA DGB 8 have no hearts and no conscience much less grace & mercy
Please read Psalms 58 and 60 to get in-couragement to only & fully trust in our eternal God who will judge us!
To Porq:
Isacc Hernandez and his plastic-liposucked wife ran off with a cool $50k and never looked back. He is now congregating with Pastor Joe Mendoza in Stockton, CA. No worries about Sister Rosie, I am sure the AA will take care of her right??? HA
Maybe, the leadership of past at "family strife center" should have sold off the bentleys, jaguars, hummers, porsche's and lowrider's galore before S--T hit the fan. Now that everyone's ATM is no longer around, reality hits hard. Enjoy.
Bro/Sis Organizedreligiouscorruption:
Why ya treading on a deceased Pastor and his family's life-style? Don't ya realize and recognize that the AA DGB have been trying to catch up and copy that life-style? It's moving to Texas to now try to catch up and to emulate the T.D. Jakes bcause TX has no major
oversight, scrutiny, supports nat'l
evangelicals and ministries w/o Q's
I can foresee next to walk out will be Pastor/Bishop Joe Mendoza in no time... especially now b4 Gaylord!!
I just hope that Sis. Hernandez is already getting her $75!
To -organized religious corruption
Please dont hate!!!!!!!!
your just a dog with your tail between your legs.....
have you seen Pastor Sam Valverdes House, Cars, jet ski's......ect......
??????
I've seen all these thing for myself..
i wish u would reveal ur self looser!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think its a crime to have all those possessions as long as they are not illgotten. You know like with church funds. Although I really wouldn't want our pastors to look like those evangelists with their pompadours and large flashy rings. But a nice used jetski is alright. Of course if your congregation is really poor, humble and hardworking it really does look bad if the big bad boss Pastor lives with such riches. That makes me think about our missionaries and how little, if any, of the FLOR AZUL money they seem to get. Hmmm, I don't know about the jetskis after all. Someone wrote earlier how Sister Valverde was trying to get the hermanas to give more money to Flor Azul because not much was coming in. Now, I'm wondering was this for yet another JETSKI?
They need more Money to buy more CALZONES bcuz they keep shitting them because of all the lawsuits coming there way!
They need more Money to buy more CALZONES bcuz they keep shitting them because of all the lawsuits coming there way!
to porq
Well I can say one thing Bishop mendoza will never do nothing without God directing him first. He is truly a man of God and prayer he is what is needed in our AA head quarters!!!!!! you can take that to the bank!!!!!!
Can I ask a question without getting hit in the crossfire from either side?
I since many of you are quite liberal with your "facts" and opinions about a wide range of Pastors... I'd like to ask an edifying question.
Who would you like to see serve on the GB?
Awww, now I'm going to go to sleep worrying about the AA Widows. What if the AA starts dipping into their $75 monthly CALZONES money? What if they do away with it? Whatever will our widows do? Widows you need to stand up and be heard. File a lawsuit.
to organizedreligiouscorruption
i hope you soak in that last message...
Its sad that alot of pastor wives who dont get much help after all the years of laboring for the Lord... And i can name of alot of this pw who have beeen left in the streets after there husbands have passed. Sis.Esther Rodriguez, Sis.Rosie Hernanded, Sis.jenny Avila and so on and so on...these ladies have labored all there lives for the kingdom of God. Its so sad Our Assembly owes them more than $75
Can anyone confirm if Paul not the apostle works at the AA offices?
Thanks
I hope all the pastors who leave or are taken out do take all they can with them. Why not, nothing they take to continue the Lord's work elsewhere can ever begin to be enough for all their years of hard work for the AA. They earned it, they should take it. The gb should not be so petty as to sue someone for a few pots & pans or for a piano. Specially when they themselves spend the AA members hard earned money so freely themselves. I bet they dip into all the "pots" (flor azul, precious seed, etc.)
ONCE Again... FOR my MOVIE CRITIC...
Personally i think its funny that SOME PEOPLE are trying to DISCREDIT Pastor Zuniga
When Really They Should Try To DIscredit Those That Attended The Meeting With Him And Baffled On About NEPOTISM in the gB...
They Are The Ones THat Showed THE IGNORANCE WITHIN the AA.
they pretty much talked the Entire Time...
so once again ... why try to discredit those that ASK THE QUESTIONS...
WHEN YOU SHOULD DISCREDIT THOSE THAT ANSWER
SKOTTY
ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!
1.All My Vids Are No Charge...
2.No Need To Get Pro Stuff...WHEN APPARENTLY EVEN MY CRAPPY QUALITY... SAYS IT ALLL...
(BTW IF YOU GO ON YOUTUBE, THERE IS AN OPTION TO VIEW THE VIDEOS IN HIGH QUALITY...)
bUT W.E.
P.S. i like the way that you came in and left today... pretty Funny...
I guess its true huh Hermana?
If You Can't Take The HEAT...
GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!
To all general board members and the goonies:
I know you've missed me factsonlynothing! You have left an outstanding impression on me, an impression that the general board that is living in paranoia and fear. We all know that all the ONLYS are ONLY YOU!
Skotty has done such a great job, with mere videos he is under your skin!
Reasons why the video of Zuniga is nothing but truth:
1. Because it’s associated with Skotty and everything he produces is truth. Skotty is an angel showing up in strange places when the angel of darkness (GB) and false and sneaky deeds arrives to try to manipulate others to think their way.
2. Because only negligent people would not take the time to read a sign in front of their face saying 24/7 video and audio recording. Nor would they care to see the camera that was IN PLAIN VIEW! Onlythelonely (GB) would think up a scheme to try to down grade real men of God by posting lies.
3. Because Pastor Zuniga gave nothing but truth in the video.
4. Because Bishop Lopez was so overwhelmed by Pastor Zuniga's questions and had no answer, all he could do was keep drinking his water. Apparently Lopez didn't get with the GB to get the story straight before he went in.
5. Because although the GB had time to prepare for this meeting, they still only sent their goons. If they really wanted hard cold facts, why didn't they just attend the meeting themselves? What do they have to hide? Their absence is still unprofessional (cheap, poor, sorry). I guess it reflects the work the GB does.
6. Because although the District official came as so-called friends and did not reason with Pastor Zuniga, Pastor Zuniga still recieved them with open arms and gave them water to drink.
7. Because Pastor Zuniga saw what the GB is doing to his colleagues and took a bold stand. A stand for justice and truth. Looking for a way save the Assembly. The GB has used the latest happenings to deceive everyone into thinking they really care.
8. Pastor Zuniga openly admits to the suspension of his credentials for not sending tithes of tithes due to the great loss in his family and the economy of the people. The GB had no remorse for these issues and proved that even then they still don't care.
The GB lies:
1. That the judge declared that the C.I.D was approved by the pastors.
2. That the GB didn’t have anyone to send to the meeting.
3. That the assembly is not suing W. Mendoza for a piano.
4. The GB said that no one can sue. What a big lie!
5. That Villegas sued the Assembly.
6. That there was false accusations against the General Board. No intienden GB?
Other facts:
1. The court declared that the CID holds no substanance in the court of law, basically it is an empty document. The court docs state that the judge ruled with PREJUDICE NOT IN FAVOR! There is still question. The GB needs to accept that Pastor Zuniga up and left without looking back! Stop crying!
2. Pastor Zuniga is an awesome preacher! The GB was to afraid to invite him because he would have been the next big hit! The GB COULD NOT have that!
3. The GB practices “Encuentros” aka "The Jesus Strategy", if it's not Biblical why are they playing copy cat?
Hey good question..What did happen to Miguel Gallegos? Hmm..I sure hope the GB didn't get ahold of him. Don't buy a car or house from them Miguel!!!!!
4. Pastor Zuniga surrendered the building yet why would he surrender his ministerial license if the bishop never asked for it? Man, what kind of people do these guys (GB) hire? They don't even fulfill their obligations. Oh wait a minute, we are talking about the GB.
5. Although Pastor Zuniga was bombarded by a 4 to 1 meeting, he still stood tall and the Lord watched over him in his place, being a humble man of God.
9. How can people who are supposed to be men of God bombard one Pastor with 4 men. Not even attending themselves! How can these people (GB) say they want a resolve when they themselves did not attempt to even attend this meeting! Wouldn't this have been a great chance to sit and talk with a Pastor and everyone would have been able to see that they were willing to make even a step towards peace.
That’s the kind of men the GB are!
10. The rev. of justice have been speaking truth for all to hear and for all to be heard! Ron Fernandez and Sergio Maffey were never mentioned on the video, like the GB have wrongly stated.
Pastor David Zuniga is a HERO! Anyone remember the story about David and Goliath? Here's a good one..remember it only took one stone?
The GB (factsonly1) admire lies, defamation, and assumptions.
More and more lies will be coming out of the GB (factsonly) to try and manipulate and decieve people!
I want to sign off tonite by saying a few words of encouragement to Bro. Abel Torres and family. I've heard he has been ill of lately and my prayers are for him. Brother Torres you have done so much in trying to bring about a positive change for the AA and you have suffered greatly for it. Please rest assured that it will not have been in vain. You have set such an unprecedented example to many and even those who would wrongly criticize you more than likely admire you. There are not many like you around who would step up to the plate. One can only pray that the hardened hearts of those in power will be miraculously softened and that they once again look up to God for guidance. Once again Bro. Torres please continue to have faith and if you even visit this blog do not heed the harsh words of those who obviously do not know you and who need to seek God's mercy. Our continuous love and prayers for you, your family and congregation. I have heard that your congregation is steadfastly behind you and that is so admirable. That in itself speaks more than words. You are such an example to us all. God bless you.
BURNED!!!!
IN YO FACE!
BOOOYAAAAH!!
Shazaaaaam!
DAAAAAANNNNGGG!
WHAT?!?!?!
YEAH!!!!!!
omg!!!!!
hahahahahahahaha!!!
The Studda Is Bout To Come Out Of FAX!!!
Paz De Cristo Blogistas para Cristo!
Praise the Lord Christ Bloggers!
A good friend of mine who has an alias of "jose" has posted this on this blog.
VIII. All funds received on the sale of church buildings and real estate belonging to the Apostolic Assembly, and all other incomes of loans, mortgages or loans of whatever nature, must be put into an account
CONSTITUTION Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus
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under the name of the “APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.” Said funds shall be deposited with joint signatures of the Bishop General Treasurer, District Bishop, and Pastor. Those funds shall be administered in agreement with the congregation, the Pastor, Supervising Bishop, and the General Board of Directors.
AA Constitution
Run with it.
You will find alot.
There is no loophole.
In Daniel Gomez et ux. v. Commissioner; T.C. Summ. Op. 2008-93: No. 13167-07S (30 Jul 2008), the taxpayers were members of the Apostolic Assembly, a church body. During 2005, they tithed to the Assembly and gave $6,548.27. Their total charitable deductions claimed on their 2005 IRS form 1040 were $6,885.
An IRS auditor discovered that while they had checks to prove the gifts, they did not have the required receipts. On January 22, 2008, they received a letter from Apostolic Assembly indicating gifts that totaled $6,552. Because the letter was late, the IRS denied the deductions.
The court noted that deductions under Sec. 170(a) and 170(c) require appropriate substantiation. For gifts of $250 or more, there must be "contemporaneous written acknowledgement from the donor organization." See Sec. 170(f)(8)(A). The contemporaneous acknowledgement must be obtained on the earlier of the date the taxpayer files the return or the due date (including extensions) for this filing. Sec. 170(f)(8)(C).
In this case, the judge and the IRS agreed that the gifts had been given and that the Apostolic Assembly was a qualified charity. However, even though the letter of January 22, 2008, from the Apostolic Assembly substantiated the gifts, the statute required the letter to have been received by the due date of the income tax return on April 17, 2006. Therefore, the court denied the charitable deduction.
Editor's Note: This is a very hard case. Everyone acknowledged that the gifts were indeed made to a qualified charity, and the taxpayers did have cancelled checks. However, it reinforces the importance of taxpayers obtaining receipts for gifts over $250 prior to filing their tax returns, and also the importance for all charities to distribute the receipts. Most charitable organizations will send receipts immediately following a gift or a cumulative gifts receipt each January for the prior calendar year.
GQ said...
”Just do me one FAVOR, since you know your Pastor really well, ask him if he wrote a letter to the GB on the issue of the Bishop re-election, and also on the letter he sent Pastor Arreola before he had the stroke.
after he answers you, post your answer, since it will have been directly from Pastor Abel Torres.
is that a fair thing to ask?”
I remember reading one of your posts where you said that Pastor Arreola did not want you to distribute those letters. Is he now allowing you to, since you say that the Info site is not answering your request to post it? I don’t understand why, if these letters exist, you would only want to post them on that site. There are many other ways you could do it.
I am not sure where you are getting the story that Pastor Arreola got sick after reading this letter because as far as I know, his wife had mentioned that it was for another reason.
Pastor Torres is my former pastor, he is not accountable to me, but to God. I will not ask him about such a letter. IF you say you have it then you can post it. I will not question him.
I have a question for you... Why don't you ask Pastor Arreola what the intentions of that lawyer are? As far as I know, he was with that lawyer last week when trying to take the church from Pastor Torres again. He should know who he is... ask him that question, then you can post his answer on here.
May God bless you and yours.
To directly blame one person for ones illness is absurd. God is the only One who truly knows. Many people are under a lot of stress daily which can be the cause of many illnesses such as anxiety, high blood pressure, headaches, etc. I hear Bro. Abel Torres health is also being seriously affected as I am sure are many others. For someone to falsely blame him for someone else's illness is totally wrong and shows their ignorance.
If we want to blame anyone it should be the gb for having created this entire sad situation. They are wreaking havoc on God's people.
THANKS FYI for answering me back. i didnt realize i came off so "concerned". Its just i've prolly heard the story in 3 different ways. Bottom line it is TRAGIC and if he was speeding then that makes matters worse.
BTW, not sure who assumed in a post - - but last time i checked i was no female.
Good Morning All Haters and Lovers of the GB(General Board, not Gutierrez Brothers)....
RE: Barrientos
Word from my sources in the Valley is that the trial continues.
From what I gather, Aug. 25th is a big day at the trial.
Someone just have a prison ministry in the works. Butt inmates in state prison don't take kindly to molesters and sex offenders. Can you say American Me?
RE: Accion
I understand the case, but what context do you want to put that? Should those who gave but were not able to get the reciept seek a refund of their charitable contribution since the 501c3 did not report the donation to the IRS or because the failed to give the donation reciept.
Please clarify....
RE: Rosie Hernandez
That's it? She's been cut off? The AA just left her in the cold? They kicked her out of the house at FLC? Thats cold blooded. Art Diaz should have let her stay for another year or so. Afterall, its not like she didn't give most of her life for the Life Line Cause. Love him or hate him, you got to respect the work Pastor David Hernandez Sr did with the homies over the years.
What's with the prison like hand ball court in the back of FLC? lol
What's next? A Dominos Tournement?
RE: Pleasantly Plump Prophets
I've noticed way too much hating on brothers and sisters who have consumed the tortas, tamales and burritos made by Apostolic Talentos over the years. We were just partaking of a blessing, albiet more than our fair share but since we are now diabetic conscious, I recommend that the Dorcas add green salad and fruit salads to the menus. LOL The Flor Azul will add Fruit Salads to the menu. Ok, you fools know what I mean.....LOL
One thing for sure, statistically speaking, direct from the Department of Health and Human Services, Pleasantly Plump Prophets are guaranteed a shorter path to heaven......
Ok, enough for one day. Do continue with your praising and hating of the GB.....
Peace
OMG!! Proverbs 19,
How did you manage to get all this info. that contradicts all qg1973 is saying? I've browsed through this blog on several occasions and it seems this person is the only one making all the comments on this blog. All I read is Midland, Midland, Midland.... This guy or gal seems to be somewhat of an idiot! What's the deal with Midland? Do they miss them that much!! Just like the good book says "from the abundance of thy heart speaketh thy mouth." I quess this is all this person thinks about. I have taken some courses in psychology to know when a person who is critical of someone else by cutting someone down gives them the satisfaction to feel good about themselves. Those are signs of insecurity. My suggestion to you qg1973 is to get a life and find out where your specialties are at and use them. I hope gossipng is not one of them!!
Remembering...
I had been sitting back too long watching how this person spoke about Pastor Abel. It saddens me how he tries to tarnish his image. All I wanted to do is get the facts straight.If he were truly happy for the Midland congregation, he wouldn't be here trying to make their leader look bad.
May God bless you and yours.
Proverbs 19, good for you!
I don't understand why qg1973 comes so hard on Pastor Abel Torres and the plantiff's lawsuit against the GB if they are doing the same thing. Have you gone into Apostolic letters today? They have a document on a lawsuit the GB did against Pastor Willie Mendoza. How dare them(GB)justify themselves as victims. Look at what they did and what they have done in the past but have quiet. Huh!! Intresting.
God has the final word in everything man does.
Where is Paul??????????
Does anyone know, or did he get caught with rina??????
Remembering…
Yes, I have seen the new documents about Pastor Willie Mendoza. As I read I remembered Pastor Zuñiga’s video where I believe the Bishop said that in his opinion there is never a reason to sue since it is a shame to go before the tribunals. I guess we have a double standard.
May God bless you and yours.
apoww08 said...
First timer here..I don't understand the whole fuss about the GB removing Bro. Torres from his position. It's actually a brilliant legal maneuver. If the "plaintiffs" are using the legal system to help their cause, why can't the GB do the same? All of you here didn't like the move, but from a pure legal standpoint, I would have done the same thing if I were in their shoes.A presbiter is in a position of power in our organizational structure. Think of a Bishop as a manager in a corporation. If this manager has a conflict with the corporate officers, these corporate officers are within their right to relieve him from his duties while the conflict is worked out. I think most of you who post here have already made up your mind as to whom is at fault in this mess. I'd rather wait for the judge to decide. Most of you here have no legal training whatsoever and yet are making accusations and declarations that are outlandish.The issues of law in this lawsuit are very technical. This is not a "slam dunk" type of case by any means. The plaintiffs carry the burden to prove with a proponderance of the evidence that the elections were fraudulently carried out. I give no one the benefit of the doubt, because there are agendas on both sides of the aisle. Everyone is giving Bro. Torres a free pass with his involvement in this mess, but he's been in office a long time and I know that "politics" always plays a part in every presbiter's administration, no matter how holy and righteous they claim to be. Don't tell me he's never held a grudge against someone who crossed him, or that he's used his position of power to make a decision that affected a pastor or a congregation in a negative way. Let me pose a question. Everyone here is no sure that the judge will throw out the election. But what if he doesn't? what if the defendant's prevail? will someone accuse the judge of being crooked as well?
January 23, 2008 3:30 PM
apoww08 said...
dudeskie,With what evidence do you base your assertion that someone only received two votes? Are you relying on a third party for such information? Does Bro. Torres have documentation proving his accusations or will his argument in court be solely based on his word?Like I said, I'm not taking sides on this. I'd rather wait for the legal system to run its course. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the judge threw out the lawsuit, unless the plaintiffs have a smoking gun that we haven't heard of.
January 23, 2008 4:14 PM
Paul Not the Apostle said...
TO: Jesse
YES This site is only allowing the 'messages' and 'post' that support their views. The other day I saw a posting that listed lots of facts about Zuniga. Some of them I know for certain because I was there. And it was erased!!! Believe me, He is NOT the man thys say he is.
Well, my short message her might also be deleted.
August 17, 2008 2:45 AM
Paul Not the Apostle said...
To Nat Ramirez
You Speak so boldly. I admire you. Why do I admire you? Because you have the guts to speak out so loudly ... now that your NOT in the Assembly as you have stated. But WHY are you NOT in the AA? Because you got a young girl pregnant and you and your father paid her off and paid for her abortion! What? DId you think we all forgot that? That is why your father had to move to northern california. Member? You Member!
August 17, 2008 2:50 AM
"trophyman said...
For those of you that didn't catch my blog from yesterday. Seems to me like a little divine intervention is taking place. Arreola was behind the removal of Torres he wanted the position himself. Seems like he was sucking up to the Hororable MD! I would not want to be caught laying a hand on Torres, this man is really a man of God with integrity and honesty. MD you might want to take a good look at what is happening to Arreola! Galarza, you are also part of that list! Trust me! They are angry at you for harboring Torres according to them.
Be prepared!LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
June 24, 2008 5:15 AM
your side spoke first, about illness falling on Pastor Arreola, but oh my God, Pastor Abel also gets ill, maybe he is not whom you think he is (i am being sarcastic!!)
took yall long enough to respond, did yall need someone to help yall out (hillbilly tone)
like I said, people do that on their own (tarnish their own image)
and about the lawyer:
you said...I have a question for you... Why don't you ask Pastor Arreola what the intentions of that lawyer are? As far as I know, he was with that lawyer last week when trying to take the church from Pastor Torres again. He should know who he is... ask him that question, then you can post his answer on here.
May God bless you and yours.
August 19, 2008 7:47 AM
figures, can't answer the question, so have to answer with another question.
Remembering said...
OMG!! Proverbs 19,
How did you manage to get all this info. that contradicts all qg1973 is saying? what info is that....???? did not see any info
I've browsed through this blog on several occasions and it seems this person is the only one making all the comments on this blog. All I read is Midland, Midland, Midland.... This guy or gal seems to be somewhat of an idiot! What's the deal with Midland? Do they miss them that much!! Just like the good book says "from the abundance of thy heart speaketh thy mouth." I quess this is all this person thinks about. I have taken some courses in psychology psych 101?wow, you're my hero-lol to know when a person who is critical of someone else by cutting someone down gives them the satisfaction to feel good about themselves. Those are signs of insecurity. My suggestion to you qg1973 is to get a life and find out where your specialties are at and use them. I hope gossipng is not one of them!!
August 19, 2008 9:27 AM
you just disqualified everyone on the Rev's side and on the GB's side. on this blog, as well as the others
so... next topic LOLOLOLOLOL
Remembering said...
Proverbs 19, good for you!
I don't understand why qg1973 comes so hard on Pastor Abel Torres and the plantiff's lawsuit against the GB if they are doing the same thing.
i am not against Pastor Abel, just those bloggers that make it seems as if Pastor Abel has never done anything that would make him a human being (we all make mistakes).
it's ok for everyone to speak of someone they don't even know, but when dirty laundry starts coming out about whom you think is "the man" you don't like it.
U get a life, got to go, I will be silent now, I am not running away(boooooh). Just a little ocupado(psyc man, do you need a translator?-lol)
Fonly1
The impression that the men in black left me (meeting w/Zuniga) the two men on the left hand side ignored that the gb is suing pastors.
regarding lawsuits read Bro. Saul Avila's (aa.info) dated 11-15-07 if it's still attach.
Concerned: fyi is correct cesiah & jr were the only one's in the car. He (90 mph) was in a hurry to take her home because it was late . I believe a car was in the exit he was trying to get off. When church folks arrived the police told them t/was a fatality but, would not give them a name . THey later told them it was a female & they knew right away it was Cesiah.
Accion, Prov19 & an4just
regarding if a bro. can sue a bro read Pastor, Saul Avila's letter dated 11-15-07 (aa.info)
Henry & Dark horse, thank you for the laugh!
FYI- regarding Sis. Hrndz
It doesn't surprise me because Bro. Ceniceros has been in the
hospital with his wife by his side & the gb has NOT visited him once!
( they just send him a little but, little love offering)
To all general board members and the goonies:
I know you've missed me factsonlynothing! You have left an outstanding impression on me, an impression that the general board that is living in paranoia and fear. We all know that all the ONLYS are ONLY YOU!
Skotty has done such a great job, with mere videos he is under your skin!
Reasons why the video of Zuniga is nothing but truth:
1. Because it’s associated with Skotty and everything he produces is truth. Skotty is an angel showing up in strange places when the angel of darkness (GB) and false and sneaky deeds arrives to try to manipulate others to think their way.
2. Because only negligent people would not take the time to read a sign in front of their face saying 24/7 video and audio recording. Nor would they care to see the camera that was IN PLAIN VIEW! Onlythelonely (GB) would think up a scheme to try to down grade real men of God by posting lies.
3. Because Pastor Zuniga gave nothing but truth in the video.
4. Because Bishop Lopez was so overwhelmed by Pastor Zuniga's questions and had no answer, all he could do was keep drinking his water. Apparently Lopez didn't get with the GB to get the story straight before he went in.
5. Because although the GB had time to prepare for this meeting, they still only sent their goons. If they really wanted hard cold facts, why didn't they just attend the meeting themselves? What do they have to hide? Their absence is still unprofessional (cheap, poor, sorry). I guess it reflects the work the GB does.
6. Because although the District official came as so-called friends and did not reason with Pastor Zuniga, Pastor Zuniga still recieved them with open arms and gave them water to drink.
7. Because Pastor Zuniga saw what the GB is doing to his colleagues and took a bold stand. A stand for justice and truth. Looking for a way save the Assembly. The GB has used the latest happenings to deceive everyone into thinking they really care.
8. Pastor Zuniga openly admits to the suspension of his credentials for not sending tithes of tithes due to the great loss in his family and the economy of the people. The GB had no remorse for these issues and proved that even then they still don't care.
The GB lies:
1. That the judge declared that the C.I.D was approved by the pastors.
2. That the GB didn’t have anyone to send to the meeting.
3. That the assembly is not suing W. Mendoza for a piano.
4. The GB said that no one can sue. What a big lie!
5. That Villegas sued the Assembly.
6. That there was false accusations against the General Board. No intienden GB?
Other facts:
1. The court declared that the CID holds no substanance in the court of law, basically it is an empty document. The court docs state that the judge ruled with PREJUDICE NOT IN FAVOR! There is still question. The GB needs to accept that Pastor Zuniga up and left without looking back! Stop crying!
2. Pastor Zuniga is an awesome preacher! The GB was to afraid to invite him because he would have been the next big hit! The GB COULD NOT have that!
3. The GB practices “Encuentros” aka "The Jesus Strategy", if it's not Biblical why are they playing copy cat?
Hey good question..What did happen to Miguel Gallegos? Hmm..I sure hope the GB didn't get ahold of him. Don't buy a car or house from them Miguel!!!!!
4. Pastor Zuniga surrendered the building yet why would he surrender his ministerial license if the bishop never asked for it? Man, what kind of people do these guys (GB) hire? They don't even fulfill their obligations. Oh wait a minute, we are talking about the GB.
5. Although Pastor Zuniga was bombarded by a 4 to 1 meeting, he still stood tall and the Lord watched over him in his place, being a humble man of God.
9. How can people who are supposed to be men of God bombard one Pastor with 4 men. Not even attending themselves! How can these people (GB) say they want a resolve when they themselves did not attempt to even attend this meeting! Wouldn't this have been a great chance to sit and talk with a Pastor and everyone would have been able to see that they were willing to make even a step towards peace.
That’s the kind of men the GB are!
10. The rev. of justice have been speaking truth for all to hear and for all to be heard! Ron Fernandez and Sergio Maffey were never mentioned on the video, like the GB have wrongly stated.
Pastor David Zuniga is a HERO! Anyone remember the story about David and Goliath? Here's a good one..remember it only took one stone?
The GB (factsonly1) admire lies, defamation, and assumptions.
More and more lies will be coming out of the GB (factsonly) to try and manipulate and decieve people!
by the way, no one ever answered these questions:
so do you have more wife cheating ministers in Midland?(notice-any more...so Primo _ _ _ _ _ ...
my bad, you are family- forgiven!)
so who is your church treasurer?
So who is your church secretary?
I did watch the documentary of Bishop Valentin Torres's work in our District. I like the book better, did not have any wind problems or did not sound like a campaign - why now, why not, when he was alive...
August 15, 2008 7:50 AM
Porq & FYI
I. Hrndz recently visited Abel A's church.
Skotty W/Show U
Dale gas!!!!
Porq & FYI
I. Hrndz recently visited Abel A's church.
Skotty W/Show U
Dale gas!!!!
Let's give up for Skotty!!!
Word.
bloggers..
the MIB were like da,da,da.....
Gq said…
“by the way, no one ever answered these questions:
so do you have more wife cheating ministers in Midland?(notice-any more...so Primo _ _ _ _ _ ...
my bad, you are family- forgiven!)
so who is your church treasurer?
So who is your church secretary?
I did watch the documentary of Bishop Valentin Torres's work in our District. I like the book better, did not have any wind problems or did not sound like a campaign - why now, why not, when he was alive...
August 15, 2008 7:50 AM”
I don’t understand how and why you would say that you love the Torres family and that you are happy for the Midland Congregation yet decide to bring up these types of issues. There is no perfect church because there is no perfect human. Pray for them. Don’t instigate!
After sin, repentance and healing come. Thank God that the Midland Congregation is being led by a man of God who understands the Mercy and Grace of God.
I think you missed the point of the documentary. It was made to show the love for the work of God. How can someone go through so much for the Church of God and be labeled as someone who doesn’t care or love the Church? THAT my friend was the point, The Torres family loves the work of God and would not do anything to hurt it!
I really am saddened by your words; I will pray that any bitterness, anger, or bad feelings you have towards the man of God and the Midland Congregation be vanished. You are not helping the Kingdom of God even though you think you are.
GQ1973...
Why are you so adamant in trying to tarnish someone else's image?
I am going to assume that you are a believer and from what I have read that you defend your church in Odessa and your Pastor.
But if you are a Godly man or woman, why then do you choose to stomp on someone who has fallen?
Have they done something to you? Then your reaction is carnal in wanting to get back at them as your comments indicate.
Romans 12:14 says
"Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not"
Jesus said that if our enemy is hunger to feed him and if he is thristy to give him something to drink.
He said that we should love our enemies.
Maybe you dont consider Pastor Abel Torres and whoever it is that fell from God's grace as an enemy. Maybe you consider them friends and brothers.
If so, then why not treat them as one?
God Bless You Sister or Brother From Odessa, Texas
May God be with you and your family in Jesus' Name.
qg1973:
Your true colors are now coming out. You speak out of foolisness because you don't know any better. You represent those pharisees that today still exist in these modern days. That is why we have lost so many of our brethern because of people like you that make it difficult for them to be restored. I just hope and pray that you my friend are not one that falls in the future because then you will want mercy for yourself or maybe for your children. No one is exempt from failing God. I don't know how many friends you have in Midland but I think Midland would probably be there to lend you a hand. May God have mercy on your soul.
I know who he is...
I'm not wanting to add fuel to the fire but If he is going to bring someone's image down then he should be exposed...
But GQ1973 is Omar Arreola...He attends Odessa Apostolic Church
You know GQ you claim to be a spiritual advisor. The funny thing is you are so envious of Pastor Torres that you are trying to take him, his wife (apostolic blood) and even his son. Just because you change your name does not mean you can change who you are sad part is everyone in Midland church knows your ways that is why you are even trying to knock the church down. I bet you are one of those church hoppers that never can be taken seriously because of so much spite that you carry in your heart. You say you’re for the midland church and Pastor Torres and his family but you are in fact against them that my friend is being a hypocrite.
You say Pastor Torres is not innocent but neither are you. So if all this negative energy is coming from you how can we say that God is trying to use you to clean church? It seems to me like the devil is trying to use you to clean out souls from the church.
Hope you are having fun being self employed because you have too much time on your hands to have a real job. lol
God Bless and for those of us who have real jobs have a blessed day at work.
Amen, Remembering!
It’s not until it hits home that you have mercy and understanding towards others in similar situations. That is an old mindset… where restoration is not possible. But like my pastor’s wife once said…”It’s sad that people would think that God is more willing to forgive a sinner than he is a saint when he fails. A saint is his child… a saint has been living for Him… He has more love for His children and is more willing to forgive them when they fail because they want to serve Him.”
This is the type of mindset that keeps us from becoming the Church we should be and also the reason why many have left the Apostolic Assembly. They find that once they sin, it is over. And you cannot return into fellowship with God or the Church. Instead of helping their brother, they kick them while they are down. We need to pray this mindset will leave from the Church of God.
May God bless you and yours!
Rom 4:7 diciendo:
Bienaventurados aquellos cuyas iniquidades son perdonadas,
Y cuyos pecados son cubiertos.
1Pe 3:14 Mas también si alguna cosa padecéis por causa de la justicia, bienaventurados sois. Por tanto, no os amedrentéis por temor de ellos, ni os conturbéis,
Mat 5:11 Bienaventurados sois cuando por mi causa os vituperen y os persigan, y digan toda clase de mal contra vosotros, mintiendo.
Romans 12:14 says
"Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not"
Jesus said that if our enemy is hunger to feed him and if he is thristy to give him something to drink.
He said that we should love our enemies.
I still did not see lawsuit anywhere in that scripture
and I still did not get any answers to the questions!
...But if you are a Godly man or woman, why then do you choose to stomp on someone who has fallen?I don't remember saying anyone in particular falling from grace, do you?
Have they done something to you? Then your reaction is carnal in wanting to get back at them as your comments indicate.so if my reaction is carnal, then that means some carnal behavior was done towards me! got it, what a revelation
Again you contradict the very words you say if we want to apply scripture let us apply it in everything not just when it applies to you.
Let's give it up for Skotty!
...Nah na Nah na Nah na Nah...
Hey where's thinkfirster today?
...Eating his Chocolate Caaakee...
I know who he is too!
GQ1973 IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE!
If you are from the Northwest District why not just call Pastor Torres then maybe you might just get an answer wow what a revelation. I am sure you can get a hold of him.
there yall go again, omar omar omar, why do I have to be related to Pastor Arreola??
El Tronco said...
I know who he is...
August 19, 2008 1:34 PM
El Tronco said...
I'm not wanting to add fuel to the fire but If he is going to bring someone's image down then he should be exposed...
But GQ1973 is Omar Arreola...He attends Odessa Apostolic Church
August 19, 2008 1:37 PM
that's funny, "i'm not wanting to add fuel to the fire"
your action seems to be opposite of what your spirit is telling you, sad!
Oh, I don't know if its Omar A. or Roy A. They're probably working together feeding off of each other.
Like someone said previously it is just pure JEALOUSY!
by the way, "Z" almost got it out of him, while at VBS.
the thing is, he is responsible for his actions and I am responsible for mine. just like you are responsible for your twisted comments.
Im out.. for now lololol
wow, now I am Roy A.
good one!
We should just ignore him or them like we did Sam. They just sound like the bitter fools that they are. We love and believe in Bro. Abel Torres and nothing anyone can say or do can change that.
GQ when you spew scriptures out in bitterness they have not effect whatsoever.
Any, like I said LETS IGNORE THE GQ.
GQ1973
If they have done something carnal against you as you suggest then let God take control,
Is that not what you put on your blog:
Pastor Roman Arreola preaches that God is always in control, and never blamed God of wrongdoing, for God is in control.
Then if God is in control as I no doubt we both believe, then let God handle it...
As for the lawsuit, everyone has their opinion...Some say its wrong, some say it was necessary but what does that have to do with a brother falling from Grace?
No you didnt write it but you suggested it when you asked about a brother being unfaitful...What does that have to do with the lawsuit? With Abel Torres or Bro. Arreola?
You mentioned that for you to responed in a carnal way (actually acknowledging that you did) something carnal had to be done to you...
The Scripture says...
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Lets overcome evil with good...lets do whats right...if someone else decides not too then thats there choice we can only control our actions...Let control our tongues (in this instance our writing)
Love you My Brother or Sister in Christ...
El tronco,
is Omar from Cali?
Well, whoever you are GQ what's really sad is that you are really being compared to the worst of the worst people who really don't fit in anywhere because of their bitterness and ways. I mean look no one is defending you in the least. I only see many people defending Bro. Torres.
BINGO!!! Got it!
The scriptures say to "Resist the devil and he shall flee from you." I've got an idea every time he or she post their comments rebuke them by posting on your blog "qg1973 in the Name of JESUS I rebuke you" and I assure you will have him or her running.
One question to qg1973, are you in or out and I am not talking about the restaurant. You keep on saying your leaving but your always seem to come back. Sounds like the devil himself.
camindo_voy said...
Well, whoever you are GQ what's really sad is that you are really being compared to the worst of the worst people who really don't fit in anywhere because of their bitterness and ways.
I don't think Roy A. is the worst, nor Omar for that matter. or.. are you being judgemental already. Roy and Omar bitter, guess you don't really know them... oh, you're taking a shot at them for one leaving the Midland congregation and the other for being related to Pastor A.( i seeeeeee)
camindo_voy said...
...I mean look no one is defending you in the least. I only see many people defending Bro. Torres.
August 19, 2008 2:05 PM
camindo voy-have posted longer
prov 19-have posted longer
remembering-?
lone star-?
el tronco-recently
okahomagiant-recently
wow, your numbers speak a lot! are there any more, cause I had not read from many of you, except jesse(MIA), i thought apostolic blood was Pastor/Minister Nick?!? see there what happens when you assume..
no offense to lone star, seem to have a head on shoulders.
..No you didnt write it but you suggested it when you asked about a brother being unfaitful...What does that have to do with the lawsuit? With Abel Torres or Bro. Arreola? Coverups, friends/family in positions...
You mentioned that for you to responed in a carnal way (actually acknowledging that you did)wrong again, don't assume something carnal had to be done to you...
Is there an english interpretation for arreola?
Well then holes in your theory if you want the district people to plaster all over the wall what was in that letter they can. If you want the people to say what the so called friend of Pastor Torres referring to Pastor Arreola Said before Brother Torres was even dismissed from being bishop. Well that would really make you happy or the text hundreds of youth received within the District just after Pastor Torres was dismissed let us. So do you want everyone to hear that?
Or would you like to hear who are the Minister's at Pastor Arreola's church who is on their Praise team?
Would you like us to divulge all that information?
Let us know and Sister or Brother you certainly know a lot from not even being from Midland Church.
Why would you even state about Omar leaving the Midland church? Why would you mention that first? Before the other one leaving Midland church why would you mention that it?
In school they tell us when a writer is trying to get his or her point across they write what they mean at the beginning break it down through the sub-paragraphs and then review again what they said through their story. A good writer would notice those details right away.
Unlike you I will not do that because it would be unbecoming of me.
news!!NEWS!!NEWS!!
apostolicassembly.info
08/18/08 Apostolic Assembly vs. Guillermo Mendoza
Apostolic Assembly SUES Willie Mendoza
08/18/08 Letter to Remove Guillermo Mendoza (4-03-08)
Van is back - Hi Van!
To the rest of the Texans going at it, ESPECIALLY gq1973 - DUMB ..SSESS!!!
There I SAID IT! At least I don't hide it in my heart like most of you bitter, angry bloggers! Oh and I say what I say, but don't go to church on Sunday and act like I love Jesus and everybody else.
Bunch of hipocrites! What everybody should be talking about is the lack of character, integrity, honesty, and spirituality the Bible talks about. It's all empty words because no one who calls himself, or herself a Christian shows it. You can quote Scripture left and right, BUT YOUR HEARTS ARE FILLED WITH THE SAME HATE AND ANGER THE GB DISPLAYS!
You mean old news.
it is Guillermo Mendoza fault anway.
¿¡Is this the same CBG that calls people dumb A$$?!
LL thanks for the input.
but what "Bro Ceniceros" CARLOS? what is wrong with him?
what ever became of his crazy daughters? HA! dont STONE ME for that one!
by the way Sis Rosie H is congregating with her daughter/son-in-law (Barbosa) so she will be taken care of in that sense.
Bloggers, I will attempt to provide links here when new documents are posted. I will not engage in dialog on the blog.
Apostolic Assembly vs. Guillermo Mendoza
Letter to Remove Guillermo Mendoz
http://apostolicassembly.info/Thursday November 15.doc
www.apostolicassembly.info
oklahomagiant said...
Well then holes in your theory if you want the district people to plaster all over the wall what was in that letter they can. If you want the people to say what the so called friend of Pastor Torres referring to Pastor Arreola Said before Brother Torres was even dismissed from being bishop(I guess you are close to both, in that case show us the proof). Well that would really make you happy or the text hundreds of youth(are you even from our district??) received within the District just after Pastor Torres was dismissed let us. So do you want everyone to hear that?
Or would you like to hear who are the Minister's at Pastor Arreola's church who is on their Praise team?
it would not make me happy,but sad :((, can you enlighten all of us, we need to know all the dirty laundry in our District, ran mostly by .....as far as ministers in the praise team, none(so how's Christy helping out yall's praise team? it's just practice-i know)
Would you like us to divulge all that information?yes, I would, but be sure that your testimony is intact, cause it's time for the dirty laundry to be washed
Let us know and Sister or Brother you certainly know a lot from not even being from Midland Church.
r u even from our District or are you like trophyman, repeating what you've heard??
quit asking questions, just give us the answers, which everyone seems to be avoiding, so here they are again....
so do you have more wife cheating ministers in Midland?(notice-any more...so Primo _ _ _ _ _ ...
my bad, you are family- forgiven!)
so who is your church treasurer?
So who is your church secretary?
cbg seems to comment right when van comments...hmmm
Ok, I am officially bored. out
See are still being encious instead of caring for the sole. You know what I used to be from you district quess where i am from Oddessa or at least I used to be seems like all the rats come from the same sewer lol.
Concerned,
He has cancer . I don't know his daughter.
aa.info.com
Gracias!
Seems to me like you have a vendetta against Chrity when we did not even ask about her but sister you are giving yourself away. Well you tell us and gave us Pastor Arreola's letter and defended him when no one was even talking about him. You came into the conversation and mentioned something about him when he was not even in the mix. So one thing we can outline is that you are part of his family.
Secondly why are you taking about Christy only a girl would worry about another girl.
bloggers
I'am reding the legal doc's about aa suing mendoza
FACTS (paragraph)
Pastor G. Mendoza allowed a person who IS NOT A MINISTER or member of the church to publi. defame, & redicule the church with falise info that was ......
My question to the gb our contitution states that one of the requiresments to be elected in the gb you MUST be a bishop for a certain amount of yrs....
How MANY YRS WAS VALVERDE (vp) bishop ???????????????????
I guess that gives EVERYONE the right to sue the aa too.
bloggers
This is getting better as I keep reading this document pg. 2 of 10
(Facts) #7 they have a line that's underlined
"such congreagations primarily consist of immigrants.???
Can someone explique?
Just a comment to whoever responds. As I was reading Bro. Zuniga's letter to Bro. Sanchez requesting a payment plan for his tithes of tithes, He claims his church decreased in membership from 300 members to 75 members. I cannot help but wonder why is he losing so many members? To me it seems that he is doing something wrong because you do not lose 75% percent of your membership if you are doing your job as a pastor.
Another thing, since the car belonged to VP 2 how was Bro. Zuniga able to sue the AA's insurance? It seems to me that the only way he could of sued the AA's insurance is to claim that his daughter was on official AA business. Does anyone have the legal documents of the lawsuit? I was not able to find them on AA.info. They normally post this kind of documentation on their website. I hope they are not trying to hide something.
Onguard
Qualifications to be a Bishop?
Lets name that Bishop.
Hints:
1. Sold Oranges door to door for
a Living.
2. Went to La Puente Bible School.
3. Openly LIES about having a
Bachelor's Degree even though
La Puente DOESN"T offer a
Bachelor's Degree.
4. Pastor's a church previously
runned by a crook on the run.
5. Buried his bible.
6. Is a known plagarist.
7. Condemns G-12 but has Bible
Cell Groups and Retreats.
8. Recruits other churches
members.
9. Preaches humility to the
hermanos, but lives in
luxery.
10. Openly states not tithing is
sin unto eternal damnation.
11. Pastored a well known
artist accused of stealing
thousands of dollars from
senior citizens.
Name that Bishop!
ONGAURD:
your right there is somthing fishy goimg on>>>HMMMMMM....
What an insult, they don't trust the members with properties because we are mojados, and the pastors much less because they are ladrones WOW
Onguard
A lot of churches are losing members. Why? Because the Apostolic Assembly does not have the truth. It is a club. When members get tired of a pastor, minister or another member, they just move to another club. No foundation.
sola dei gloria said...
Onguard
A lot of churches are losing members. Why? Because the Apostolic Assembly does not have the truth. It is a club. When members get tired of a pastor, minister or another member, they just move to another club. No foundation.
.........................
your right and they All move to the UPCI where we originated from..
ongaurd
Go put your rightgaurd on!
You're so far behind, your post is a joke.
Pastor Zuniga has 700+ members and they all left with him!
How about that for facts?
Where's your other personality factsonly?
Why don't you come out with the statistics of how many people have left the AA in 2008 and then tell me how the GB is doing their job?
sola dei gloria said...
Onguard
A lot of churches are losing members. Why? Because the Apostolic Assembly does not have the truth. It is a club. When members get tired of a pastor, minister or another member, they just move to another club. No foundation.
.........................
your right and they All move to the UPCI where we originated from..
Patrick is getting ready to go to the headquarters...
Wednesday -
August 20th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Patrick is finally going to talk face to face with a grown up, who has never revealed himself on this blog and expects everyone else to, but goes by thinkfirst!
I can't wait to finally talk to a grown up!
called2proclaim
Some even move on past the UPCI so they can keep their TV
Your right....
r u independent?
No
Apostolic 27 years (1st gen)
In charge of a new work.
Just a comment to whoever responds. As I was reading Bro. Zuniga's HIDE.
letter to Bro. Sanchez requesting a payment plan for his tithes of tithes, He claims his church decreased in membership from 300 members to 75 members. I cannot help but wonder why is he losing so many members? To me it seems that he is doing something wrong because you do not lose 75% percent of your membership if you are doing your job as a pastor.
THAT HAPPEN WHEN BROTHER ZUNIGA INTRODUCED THE M12 SYSTEM NOW CALL BY THE AA THE JESUS STRATEGY .
Another thing, since the car belonged to VP 2 how was Bro. Zuniga able to sue the AA's insurance? It seems to me that the only way he could of sued the AA's insurance is to claim that his daughter was on official AA business. Does anyone have the legal documents of the lawsuit? I was not able to find them on AA.info. They normally post this kind of documentation on their website. I hope they are not trying to hide something.
THATS RIGHT SHE WAS ON OFFICIAL AA BUSINESS. MISSIONARY FONTANAROSA AND FAMILY FROM SPAIN VISIT THE CHURCH AND FAMILY THAT SUNDAY. SO THERE IS NOTHING TO HIDE.
How do you transfer over from AA to UPC as a minister. Do they allow that?
called2proclaim said...
THEY need deliVERance...do it like this
I understand ur hurt and anger...after all THE Apostolic Assembly In The Faith In The Devil, Inc. has robbed you...we understand what ur going through.......YOU NEED DELIVERANCE.............IN THHHHEEEE NNAAAAAAAAMMMEEE OF JEEEEEESSSSSSSUUUUUSSSSSSS!!!!
called2proclaim also said,
They need more Money to buy more CALZONES bcuz they keep shitting them because of all the lawsuits coming there way!
Now, now, called 2 be ignorant,
Are you making fun of the name of Jesus???? Like I asked fedup/throwup....You don't pray to the Lord with the same dirty mouth you curse with, do you????
ha..or are you taking the Lords naem in vain??
Patrick
I only quoted Bro. Zuniga and here is his quote
"Due to the fact that our church suffered a loss of members during 2005 of 300 brethren to 75, our economy suffered. Along with payments of 5000 - 6000 of of electric bills during the summer months of 2005 and 2006"
If what you are saying about 700 hundred members then Bro. Zuniga is being less than honest with Bro. Sanchez.
How do you know he has 700 members?
"Go put your rightgaurd on!"
Done, one more thing completed on my to do list.
"You're so far behind, your post is a joke."
Are you saying this because I am asking for the court documents of his lawsuit against the assembly? I would like to see how his lawyers were able to sue the assembly when the car belonged to VP II. If you find someone asking for facts a joke then I will make laugh for a long time.
Where's your other personality factsonly?
Yes I am factsonly, Daniel Sanchez, Abel Torres, Edward Pacheco and whoever else you want to accuse me of being?
"Why don't you come out with the statistics of how many people have left the AA in 2008 and then tell me how the GB is doing their job?"
I wont argue with you their, but when we get those facts we need to be sure to include the 225 members Bro. Zuniga lost. Also, if we are wanting viewers to make an informed decision then we need to post court documentation about Bro. Zuniga's lawsuit.
Onguard
sola dei gloria said...
How do you transfer over from AA to UPC as a minister. Do they allow that?
the AA doesnt allow that but the UPCI is more than happy to recieve men that have the heart to serve..
patrick said...
Patrick is getting ready to go to the headquarters...
Wednesday -
August 20th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Patrick is finally going to talk face to face with a grown up, who has never revealed himself on this blog and expects everyone else to, but goes by thinkfirst!
I can't wait to finally talk to a grown up!
LOOKS LIKE YOUR ASSUMING I'M A HE. ONE CAN ONLY GUESS.
to called 2 proclaim,
are you kidding me????? called to pastor??? Are you going to slip and say shit while your preaching???????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOOL!!!!!
"Due to the fact that our church suffered a loss of members during 2005 of 300 brethren to 75, our economy suffered. Along with payments of 5000 - 6000 of of electric bills during the summer months of 2005 and 2006"
Onguard
Thats the miracle from 75 in 2005 to 700+ now
thinkfirst:
ISnt that FUNNY....
Its so FUNNY the moment you see somthing posted about a PASTOR..u atoamtically BASh...you know me i LAY hands on your head and PRAY for u on SUNDAYS...
PIENSA PRIMERO:
r u thinking about who i am...HINT
called2saybadwordsfromthepulpit,
Its so FUNNY the moment you see somthing posted about a PASTOR..u atoamtically BASh...you know me i LAY hands on your head and PRAY for u on SUNDAYS...
I didn't bash you....I just wanted to know if you were going to slip and say shit??? That's a fair question don't you think????
No, it doesn't matter who you are! Does it? Think hard
ya thats pretty FAIR..but i Dont slip..HAVE YOU SLIPED?
Calledtosaybadwordsfromthepulpit,
Wait a minute I know who you are.
Are you in your twenty.....you were called to pastor a work recently, weren't you? And ummm.....you say bad words, too.
I'm sorry i didn't mean to interupt you and sol dei gloria. I'll let you get back to her. and you can finish talking about your fantasy church you were recently called to pastor. bye bye for now!
p.s.
i just totally messed up your little game you were going to start playing with sol dei gloria
THATS FUNNY..SORRY THINK FIRST...but im married.....w/ a penticostal....
Called2slip,
so she's a penny? and your an apple?
do you go 2 different churches?
I THINK your B/S-ing. But like I said you could be anyone you want on this blog.
hurry ......run....go and delete the post that you said bad words on....hurry!!!!
awww....I'm sorry you can't. do you want me to delete the post that I saved your slip ups on??? i wouldn't want to tarnish your image pastor caled2slip.
naaaa what for its the truth
THINKFAST:
IM a PINEAPPLE...
penticostal/apostolic
Pastor Zuniga is my HERO!
I'm going to post the TOAD MAP again...
We all need a laugh!
The ROADMAP booklet was written for Apostolic Assembly pastors ONLY.
Below are 7 basic truths that are expressed in the booklet.
THE TOAD MAP (EL SAPO SINCHO)
TRUTH #1:
WE MUST BUILD WISELY –- ON THE FOUNDATION
Using the wisdom of man not God
“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” I Corinthians 3:10,11
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Without compromising absolute truth…except when it comes to elections but don’t worry…if you kiss up enough you just might make it.
•• Without fearing appropriate changes…have no fear Pachueco is here, we’re only going to take your money and make mega churches but don’t worry you will still have a seat in the back!
•• Without backing down from challenges..except when men with actual meatballs confront us, then we hide and leave it up to our guinea pigs to do the dirty work!
TRUTH #2:
WE MUST BUILD WITHOUT WASTING - NOT IN VAIN
Don’t waste your money on clothes, gas, and food; give it to the AAFCJ. We need it to make our viejas happy. Don’t forget, they’re the ones holding our meatballs!
• Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it.
Psalms 127:1
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• By His Spirit and grace…we do not live.
•• By His instructions…we ignore.
•• By His Strength…we will soon find out.
TRUTH #3:
WE MUST BUILD WELL - TO PLEASE HIM
When we say Him, we mean Sanchez.
• For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• He is the one we aim to please…everyone knows this now.
•• He is the preferred "customer"…that indeed he is.
•• He is the one that matters…of course and the other two stooges.
TRUTH #4:
WE MUST BUILD WIDELY - THE WORLD IS OUR FIELD
We know this, we use to pick oranges and all that good stuff.
• But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:8
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Looking beyond ourselves…well only when we need money.
•• Looking beyond our own churches…only to through them to the streets.
•• Looking beyond our own culture…who are we kidding? We only care about our Ostrich boots chicali tecate culture.
TRUTH #5:
WE MUST BUILD WALL-TO-WALL GOD WANTS HIS HOUSE TO BE FULL
This is true, our three mega churches are all that matter.
• And the lord said unto the servant, Go out in to the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:23
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Everyone is a sinner…except us three, well there was the time that Pachueco got caught in the car scam but he’s the only sinner we’ll forgive.
•• Everyone must repent…except us.
•• Everyone can call on Him…again by him we mean Sanchez, so yes you can call but you won’t get an answer.
TRUTH #6:
WE MUST BUILD WATCHFULLY - WITH WEAPON IN HAND
Brothers these are the perilous times, our weapon is not spiritual, it is physical.
" They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burden, with those that lade , [every one] with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other [hand] held a weapon.
Nehemiah 14:7
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Able to work together…we do this very well, obviously. We made our own corporation all by our selves with no help from anybody!
•• Able to identify the enemy…we have done this and removed them.
•• Able to build and fight…indeed, as we have robbed people from their land and money to build on our own land and call it ours. We will fight that we are right even if it is wrong.
TRUTH #7:
WE MUST BUILD WEEPINGLY - WITH HEARTFELT PASSION
This is the tear jerker moment, this will come at convention time. Be ready, you will see us in action!
• He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall
doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
Psalms 126:6
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• More than duty, delight…in the removal of pastors and those that have left willingly because we are right and they are wrong.
•• More than position, passion…we will cry if we do not get our position, we have passion for all that we do, passion in taking churches and their money.
•• More than method, mission…we don’t have methods but it’s okay, you all understand. We undermine your education, your households, and everything else you do. To us, you are all incompetent but it’s okay because as long as we call you a friend, you believe that we actually like you!
For information contact the Assembly Headquarters at
10807 Laurel Street, Rancho Cucamonga, California, 91730
You can contact us by phone at (909) 987-3013 or by e-mail to headquarters@apostolicassembly.org
You can contact us but we wont answer, we will more than likely be out of the country!
patrick:
YOU FORGOT TO PUT..
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ASSAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN EL DIABLO, INC
MAJOR MAJOR NEWS AND ANNOUNCEMENT!!
We will NO LONGER post here again.
Because the way we see it is no one
here really will do anything of major consequence to implore or to report to the federal agencies of the serious wrong doings the AA leadership/governing board and the rest of their "yes men Bishops" go
on feeling mighty good in publicly removing & stripping good pastors that challenge and contest their sorry arrogance/self-righteousness.
We guess, after reading the lawsuit
against Pastor Willie Mendoza,(BAD-MOVE) that the so-called "Strategy of Jesus", the work of the Lord and the mission of the shameful AA DGB will now be conducted by means of the legal system, also through blogsite news and the hearsay and cover-ups that they so deceptively give to you all.
SOMEBODY IN A CORPORATE WAY W/BOLD STRENGTH PUBLICLY OUGHT TO STANDUP AGAINST THIS CORRUPTION OF TRUST!!!
Here is my last comment, I promise-
Y "porq" la maldad se multiplicara,
the love (for GOoD) of MANY shall wax (grow) COLD.(Don't let it be..)
But my friends, don't let this evil
stop or hinder any one of you from continuing to serve and give your lives and hearts for the good LORD!
SO LONG, SAYONARA, BON JOUR, VAYA CON DIOS AND KEEP THE FAITH ...
I know, we will miss all the good and terrible news, but really & in
all honesty- this world already has
PLENTY of that terrible weirdness.
We have classes to attend now ...
Now where did all the CHINESE Gold?
GBY richly & pray/DO for a CHANGE!!
Jose,
zuniga, lost a lot of members because someone inside twisted the "Encuentros" that it was a cult!
But, "E' are not cult.
Can someone answer this question?
How many years was Valverde bishop and in what district?
Apostolic Assembly vs. Guillermo Mendoza.
Number 23
The AAFJC trusted Mendoza as one of its Pastors.
Mendoza did not act in the utmost good faith and did not exercise the most scruplous honesty toward the AAFJC and the transactions were not fair to the AAFJC.
mendoza did not fully disclose all important information to the AAFJC.
Is this a JOKE
Mendoza was not honest
Did not exercise the most SCRUPLOUS HONESTY.
My question is why wasn't this man on the DGB?.
Sure meets the standards
The sad part is that its states that the First Church paid for and purchased other properties, so the goons can just walk in and take it without as much as lending a finger.
What a great bunch of leaders we have
i find this blog very amusing! its great to see how all you "christians" talk about eachother. let me join you, lol. I just finished reading everything on here, and i have to admit that i found sis rita salomons letters to be uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fake! you expect us to belive all that crap? pleeeeeeeeease, you cant even control your own child!
It is I! Thee factsonly1 here to share some real facts with you!
(well i'm not really factsonly1 but i stole his name right now, it cracks me up)
Have you all read the new letters at AA.info?
I found one section of the AAFCJ vs. William Mendoza rather interesting...
7. AAFCJ owns church properties across the country, including Texas, for the use of it's local congregations. Such congregations primarily consist of immigrants. There is a strong policy reason for AAFCJ to protect it's congregations from Pastors and others wrongfully obtaining ownership rights in AAFCJ buildings and property.
Immigrants? What is the AAFCJ trying to say?
I would like to know if the bloggers who identify themselves as called2prolcaim and thinkfirst are Christians.
Thinkfirst faults called2proclaim for using profanity and then proceeds to ask if this bad word will be used from the pulpit and actually spells the bad word out. (August 19, 2008 4:44 PM)
Called2proclaim then also says that thinkfirst is not truthful, by abbreviating the same profanity used by thinkfirst. (August 19, 2008 5:33 PM)
Again I ask, are you both Christians? Would Jesus use these words? These bad words (profanity) should not be in our minds, much less spoken or written.
Be careful of the words you speak. Keep them soft and sweet, because you never know from day to day which ones you will have to eat.
I am appalled at the behavior from some of the bloggers in this forum and I pray continually, for God to heal us from this discord.
Great Job Hank!
you have all these kids reved up on your stupid politics,get a life!
so! some sore loser pastors left the assembly along with their rebelious clan,who cares let em go,there is too many souls out there for us to worry about a few angry protesters that looked like they were anouncing a car wash.iwas looking for the hoses on the video.
you country hicks from texas have a world of issues to worry about stuff that goes on overhere,i know there isnt much to do on the farm but staf of the blog for a while and go tell some one about jesus.even if its a cow
Friend of yours Hank?
!!!Just Appalled!!!
where have you been?! you see one four letter word and your panties are in a bunch. Have you even read all of the junk plastered? Religious ? hmmmm -- perhaps!?
CONCERNED:
y r u still concerned read MATTHEW 11:28...He shall give you rest...
HAS THE AA ABANNDONED GOD....?
r church services the same...?
ABANDONING GOD
HOW CAN PEOPLE, ONCE THEY ARE AWARE OF GOD, EVEN CONSIDER ABANDONING HIM?
BIBLE READING: 2 Chronicles 12:1-16
KEY BIBLE VERSE: But when Rehoboam was firmly established and strong, he abandoned the law of the LORD, and all Israel followed him in this sin. (2 Chronicles 12:1)
REASONS WHY WE ABANDON GOD.
At the height of his popularity and power, the king abandoned the Lord. What happened? Often it is more difficult to be a believer in good times than in bad. Tough times push us toward God; but easy times can make us feel self-sufficient and self-satisfied. When everything is going right, guard your faith.
PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES WHEN WE ABANDON GOD.
Popularity and power, the two benefits that Rehoboam chose above God, were the first two things he lost when the Egyptians invaded the land. Through Rehoboam we discover the real price to be paid for rejecting God. Even though Rehoboam later confessed his sin, the damage had already been done. He was not destroyed, but much of what was precious to him was lost. His reign could have been as glorious as the golden shields in Solomon’s temple, which the Egyptians took. Instead, he had to settle for bronze replacements and an insignificant reign.
CONSEQUENCES FOR OTHERS WHEN WE ABANDON GOD.
We don’t have to be a king, like Rehoboam, before our actions deeply affect the lives of others. Rehoboam’s abandonment of God led to the humiliation of his people. How does the quality of your relationship with God affect those around you?
FEELING ABANDONED BY GOD
WHAT ABOUT WHEN OUR AWARENESS OF GOD IS WEAK OR HE SEEMS DISTANT AND REMOVED?
BIBLE READING: Exodus 2:11-22
KEY BIBLE VERSE: In time, Reuel gave Moses one of his daughters, Zipporah, to be his wife. Later they had a baby boy, and Moses named him Gershom, for he said, “I have been a stranger in a foreign land.” (Exodus 2:21-22)
WE SHOULD NOT GIVE UP.
To escape punishment for killing an Egyptian, Moses ran away to the land of Midian. He became a stranger in a foreign land, separated from his home and family. Many years went by before Moses was once again ready to serve God. But he trusted God instead of fearing the king (Hebrews 11:27). We often feel abandoned or isolated because of things we have done. But when we are fearful or feeling separated, we should not give up. Moses didn’t. He trusted God to deliver him in spite of his dark past and his seemingly bleak future.
BIBLE READING: Job 2:1-13
KEY BIBLE VERSE: So Satan left the LORD’s presence, and he struck Job with a terrible case of boils from head to foot. (Job 2:7)
SUFFERING DOES NOT MEAN GOD HAS ABANDONED YOU.
At times believers may actually suffer more than unbelievers because those who follow God sometimes become Satan’s special targets. Believers, therefore, may have to endure hardship, persecution, or testing. This was the case with Job. We must be prepared for Satan’s attacks. When we suffer, we must not conclude that God has abandoned us. He did not abandon Job. Consistent faith is the way to defeat Satan.
To udontwannaknow.
DUMB ..SS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj24yQ9bmGE
PTL Bro. Isaac!! I want to thank you and your family for EVERYTHING! The HERNANDEZ family has been such a tremendous blessing to literally THOUSANDS of lives!! My life especially!! I'm so grateful to God that HE would bless us with such a family like yours.. from Pastor Hernandez, Sis. Rosie, Pastor Frank, Bro. Pete, Sis. Dina, Bro. David Jr., Reyna to you Bro. Isaac!! Like the comment left earlier.. The bible says to give honor to whom honor is due... We could never know ALL the sacrifices, the hard work, the sweat, the pain, the HERNANDEZ family put into FLC!! But I'm so thankful that I was there to reap the benefits of it all!! You have truly blessed me and my ministry!! You and your family have played a huge part in where I am in my ministry, I could go on and on...but I'll just end it with a THANK YOU!! GOD IS GOOD & HE IS FAITHFUL... Jeremiah 29:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZaBNb1HDr8
My church left the AA a few years ago...the best thing we could have ever done. Until recently I hadn't heard of everything going on. I thank God every day for the decision my pastor made. It was not an easy decision but our church has been tremendously blessed because of it. Those of you that are posting the videos on you tube and commenting on the current issues on this blog good for you! No matter what happens to this organization do not lose faith! I seek towards the mark of the prize of the high calling of God! AMEN! God bless all you laborers for a cause!
udontwannaknow , AMEN!
Texans have too much time for gossip and talk about who sings in the praise team and who didn't get it for bishop and who's granny can cook better than the other. Everyone talks about each other. Too much jealosy.Folks get busy winning souls and helping those that need from God instead of running them out.
OMG!! No vision whatsoever. That is why they are still riding in their wagons to church.
No matter the outcome of the lawsuit, the GB is failing horribly in leading our church out of this crisis -- this is their legacy. THE AA is divided, with the younger generation, ripe with a post-modern influences, to turn away from an "organization" that exhibits everything it has grown to disdain: corporate greed, scandalous leadership, injustice in the name of God. I fear that a blatant lack of respect for AA leaders and pastors will be the most damaging outcome of this crisis. As more of our youth learn of this crisis, more will ask why have these men we've respected for the "power" they supposedly held look miserably weak. When these preachers get up on the platform and get everybody in a frenzy is that "spiritual power" or good stage presence? Where's the Apostolic power when we absolutely need it. Is there a preacher that can call down fire? Are we left to the whims of the judicial system to define our fate?
To add, with the AA mentality that we are consistently and constantly the devil's victims and punching bags, it's no surprise that the message from the top is that "we are living in perilous times" and this is the reason for our situation. I do believe we are living in perilous times because Apostolic leadership can't even lead us out of a simple election scandal. Imagine when God finally let's the devil test the AA ""for real."
The second sign we're living in perilous times is because "men love pleasure" more than they love God. Most AA pastors that have preached "power and authority" stand bashful and impotent in the face of a threat the "their pleasure" -- in other words their job, church, house.
Does anyone know an Apostolic Preacher that will stand up and preach the truth?
Does anyone know an Apostolic Preacher that will fight for this generation of Apostolics?
Out of the hundreds of pastors is Rodriguez, Solomon, Torres, etc. the only ones that were willing to stand up?
If this is true, then yes we are living in perilous times. But not for the reasons you will hear at in Gaylord.
Can someone answer this question?
How many years was Valverde bishop and in what district?
- II
let's see (counting) . . . Zero! Did he not get in under Baldemar’s administration though! hmmm
Just interested in how the churches of the Pastors who left voluntarily or were ousted are doing. Can we hear it from each respective church, (Denver, Austin, San Bernardino ...) ? Like how many members, morale, services, etc. I know Midland is doing great. Its like REVIVAL TIME!I hope and pray that it is going great for all. God bless.
Factonly1
That was one of my questions about the aa & mendoza document immigrants?
Hallelanyhow
Thanks!
Caminovoy
Austin is doing great!
Midland is having services at the park on Saturdays and lots of souls are coming to church on Sundays. It also appears that we still have all our members. The Varones are leaving for their second Varones Camp of the year and the youth just returned from the Texas Tri-District Camp. The Midland hermanas also were asked by the District Leaders to please come to the Dorcas Camp a couple of weeks ago and out of an attendance of about one hundred more than half were from Midland. VBS was also a great success with a tremendous attendance. Thank God for his blessings!
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Lets see for that guy who wanted to know whyThey left montebello cause they did not agree with the encuentros, Most of theme left with valverde..great surprise there.DIos esta formando un pueblo is the name of our church. We are in whittier now close to family life.
I cracked a joke and iknow its not right. we had a sign with our church name and i wanted to change it to "COMO MATAR A UN PUEBLO" and i wanted to post the unholy trinitys picture there. valverde sanchez and MR accountability Ed Pacheco. But some how iwas turned down by pastor. lets see now we left the organization with a 5000000 willion profit and more.brand new carpet. over 20 rooms to build. a great looking baptistry, A Big parking lot . Now abel rodriguez picks up the phone when you called our old church. Please get your self a secretary and if she is cute and single was up i can help her:) .The Jesus strategy a rip off of the Vision. THey bashed us but now they are tring to do the same. Well i even heard sanchez has Tribus. His biggest tribu if i am wrong has like 30 people, cool My leader grew from a group of 8 to 120 in over 3 years and we dirent steal theme like valverde is known for.. COme to my church ill give you a ministry or youcan work in the general offices ..well back to the people that left to valverdes, they rebel agaist my pastor posted documents from the web regardings the encuentros on most of those writters see the assamblea as a cult..great way to do a research. But now they introduce the Jesus Strategy.. a water down version of the Vision that we work with.Te dan en la espalda, make fun ofyour group of 12 in leadership and now they turn around and copy it but ihad to come from the bishops in order for it to be effective..
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