So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?
Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.
Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.
You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.
I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".
Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.
You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.
Back to the Revolutionaries...
If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.
I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.
Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire
ps.
For our revolutionaries....
4,282 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 4282 Newer› Newest»All you fools talking about my girl Jamie are just mad cause you never had the balls to talk to her. I told ya'll,,, you start talking about her and its going to get crazy!!!!
Cant we all just get along!!!
Hernandez,,,,,
How's Sacramento?
ll,
Mascareno is still pastoring... this is their website www.gotolighthouse.org
He mentions nothing of being affliated with the AA on that website. I believe he is still with the AA though.
Seeker:
How do you explain This: why is VP2 still driving?
Why is His Daddy allowing him?
If cant control his son (house)...he shouldent be pastoring even more he shouldent be in the GB...
Patrick, Thank you.
Seeker:
How do you explain This: why is VP2 still driving?
Why is His Daddy allowing him?
If cant control his son (house)...he shouldent be pastoring even more he shouldent be in the GB...
Does anyone have any information on the exact date in the 60's when Eliseo Sanchez was pastor of the church in Edinburg Texas and he was arrested and convicted?
I called several people who know and they said, "what does this have to do with Sanchez and the elction fraud in Long Beach in 2006?" Duh...
The fact that Sanchez allowing his brother to have ministerial credentials, and Sanchez has fired so many other Pastor for so much less only shows the discriminatory nature of the gb.
Another one to include in 'should not hold ministerial credentials' is Herman Garza, Irving Texas.
Just add this to the list of men who should not be pastors, and moreover, the list of people who would never dare say anything that would endanger their own positions.
To "Becausewecare"
What dirt do you have on herman garza? I never met him but we're related. I just want to know?
Hey Patrick you did post your name little buddy..Sorry
Glad to meet you!
But all trash put aside. Most of the stuff I have written is true.
I'm glad your defending the good side.
Which is?
give my regards to Sponge
Called2proclaim,
Have you ever thought that he might have had his DL reinstated?
You are judging VP for what VP2 has done. Once again VP2 is no VP.
You want to know what is twisted?
I wrote a letter rebuttal ling the latest letter on VP and VP2 and emailed it to the info site. Guess what it is not posted! Hmmm, makes you think if they want to know the truth or not. I have the emails to prove it time stamped and all!
My point was a simple one, all it was, was that the letter has nothing to do with the elections yet it is posted on a site regarding the elections.
Check out what the info site states:
“This site is merely a repository for letters written to and by the Apostolic Assembly. The host does not censor the content.”
and it also says:
“Please refrain from false accusations. The purpose of this site is to provide information so we may make INFORMED decisions.”
My question to the webmaster is this:
Why did he allow posting such letter to VP full of twisted truth? Why has he censored my letter questioning the letter about VP?
Sound like the web-mastering it one side and if so, how can the people make an inform decision?
According to the court document, VP2 killed Cesia. Its still vehicular manslaughter.
The car used to kill Cesia was registered to Victor Prado.
Yes Mecha the documents are no lie, yet the letter that is attached to the document is accusing VP Sr for what VP Jr did.
The letter calls for VP to step down and is discreditting VP Sr for what VP Jr did.
With the facts you have, read the letter and see how the author is twisting the truth to discredit VP Sr.
Baldemar, Abel Torres, Dan
Solomon, Saul Avila's children
never killed anyone. Victor Prado's child, Second did kill.
Second is driving. A Violation of his terms of parol.
A tragic accident indeed, but what in the world does it have to do with the elections? in no way!
The car was purchased by, and registerd to Victor Prado. Victor Prado allowed Second to drive the car.
Its called liability.
Victor Prado is also responsible for Cesia's death.
If Victor Prado doesnt allow his unlicensed son to use the car, Cesia lives.
"The car was purchased by, and registerd to Victor Prado." - Mecha
if you believe this to be true, then why post a letter indicate that the car as registered to the AA?
Twisted truth! that is my point!
yet the webmaster of the info site allows has decided to post this twisted truth.
ACCIDENT
WARRANTS
Excuse the mis-spells.
another interesting not about the letter it indicate a sum of $3 milliong was given to Zuniga by the AA.
hmmm, makes me wonder, giving up his church did not seem all tha hard, did it! He was able to afford it.
I am not in favor of the AA nor in anyones at all, all i want to bring out is the truth! i am seeking.
Victor Prado II killed Cesia, how is that twisted truth?
Here's your TRUTH,
Victor Prado Jr did kill Cesia Zuniga.
All eyes on MODESTO CA.
It's gonna shake up there
Is there truth to the document? Yes
But you dont seem to get that the author of the letter is manipulating some of tha truth.
i have said enough about it. It will not get through to you.
it is okay! Seek truth is my advised. dont settle for what is posted in on the info site.
Official Court Documents do not
LIE.
Here's your TRUTH,
Victor Prado Jr did kill Cesia Zuniga. - Mecha
Would you go as far and say he Premeditated it?
Official court docs do not lie, but the author of the letter attach to the court docs can manipulate your way of thinking before reading the court docs.
before reading the court documents you had to read the letter that is attached before them.
tu madre said...
All eyes on MODESTO CA.
It's gonna shake up there
Whats shaking dude???
Authority Only
Sorry but us the General membership are not perfect, far from you.
So how in the world in your perfect little world did you mess it all up?
You talk about make-up, and short skirts, yeah maybe its wrong, but I think scamming people out of their hard earned money and what the dgb are doing is far worse then a little make_up.
Sorry Patrick but I had to answer this one
To DemonicAuthority:
I understand ur hurt and anger...after all THE Apostolic Assembly In The Faith In The Devil, Inc. has robbed you...we understand what ur going through.......YOU NEED DELIVERANCE.............IN THHHHEEEE NNAAAAAAAAMMMEEE OF JEEEEEESSSSSSSUUUUUSSSSSSS!!!!
You seem to be upset, angry...
like I said u need DELIVERANCE in JESUS NAME....i sencse breakthrough oh, no, your the type that needs prayer and fasting...
1AuthorityOnly said...
so i went on the r4j"ning" again
i was looking at their picture and nobody looks apostolic.....
What r u doing just looking at pictures? Hope your not BARRIENTOS...SEXUAL PREDATOR>
Word of advice for Onlythelonely..
hold on to your meatball...don't let it dictate your mind or your future..
think with the head on your shoulders please
onlythelonely
you have no authority over the people that are not in the AA. go preach your empty words somewhere else, like FTC, Strong Tower,...
His has no authority over people that are in the AA either.
MISSION STATEMENT:
WHAT IS THE A. C. NAVA CHARITABLE FOUNDATION?
The Antonio Castañeda Nava Charitable Foundation is the official name of the Trust Fund. This Trust Fund is to serve the members of the entire Apostolic Assembly in the continental United States and abroad. The Trust Fund is an accumulation of financial assets, or investment vehicles that mature, or yield a profit, as in cash monies donated or interest earned. Upon availability, members of the Apostolic Assembly church will be eligible to petition the Antonio Castaneda Nava charitable foundation for the following assistance:
• Financial assistance in the event of the death of a member
• Financial assistance to a local pastor or his family for illness, disability, death, and/or retirement
• Scholarship funds for deserving students in the local churches
• Emergency assistance to local churches for food, shelter, medical supplies, and/or services
• Assistance for counseling services for members experiencing trauma of any kind
In addition, as monies mature in the Trust Fund, the Trust Document stipulates that the following may be constructed to benefit the Apostolic Assembly on the national level (refer to Section 3.vi.):
• Orphanages
• Colleges
• Retirement centers
MISSION STATEMENT:
WHAT IS THE A. C. NAVA CHARITABLE FOUNDATION?
The Antonio Castañeda Nava Charitable Foundation is the official name of the Trust Fund. This Trust Fund is to serve the members of the entire Apostolic Assembly in the continental United States and abroad. The Trust Fund is an accumulation of financial assets, or investment vehicles that mature, or yield a profit, as in cash monies donated or interest earned. Upon availability, members of the Apostolic Assembly church will be eligible to petition the Antonio Castaneda Nava charitable foundation for the following assistance:
• Financial assistance in the event of the death of a member
• Financial assistance to a local pastor or his family for illness, disability, death, and/or retirement
• Scholarship funds for deserving students in the local churches
• Emergency assistance to local churches for food, shelter, medical supplies, and/or services
• Assistance for counseling services for members experiencing trauma of any kind
In addition, as monies mature in the Trust Fund, the Trust Document stipulates that the following may be constructed to benefit the Apostolic Assembly on the national level (refer to Section 3.vi.):
• Orphanages
• Colleges
• Retirement centers
MISSION STATEMENT:
WHAT IS THE A. C. NAVA CHARITABLE FOUNDATION?
The Antonio Castañeda Nava Charitable Foundation is the official name of the Trust Fund. This Trust Fund is to serve the members of the entire Apostolic Assembly in the continental United States and abroad. The Trust Fund is an accumulation of financial assets, or investment vehicles that mature, or yield a profit, as in cash monies donated or interest earned. Upon availability, members of the Apostolic Assembly church will be eligible to petition the Antonio Castaneda Nava charitable foundation for the following assistance:
• Financial assistance in the event of the death of a member
• Financial assistance to a local pastor or his family for illness, disability, death, and/or retirement
• Scholarship funds for deserving students in the local churches
• Emergency assistance to local churches for food, shelter, medical supplies, and/or services
• Assistance for counseling services for members experiencing trauma of any kind
In addition, as monies mature in the Trust Fund, the Trust Document stipulates that the following may be constructed to benefit the Apostolic Assembly on the national level (refer to Section 3.vi.):
• Orphanages
• Colleges
• Retirement centers
MISSION STATEMENT:
WHAT IS THE A. C. NAVA CHARITABLE FOUNDATION?
The Antonio Castañeda Nava Charitable Foundation is the official name of the Trust Fund. This Trust Fund is to serve the members of the entire Apostolic Assembly in the continental United States and abroad. The Trust Fund is an accumulation of financial assets, or investment vehicles that mature, or yield a profit, as in cash monies donated or interest earned. Upon availability, members of the Apostolic Assembly church will be eligible to petition the Antonio Castaneda Nava charitable foundation for the following assistance:
• Financial assistance in the event of the death of a member
• Financial assistance to a local pastor or his family for illness, disability, death, and/or retirement
• Scholarship funds for deserving students in the local churches
• Emergency assistance to local churches for food, shelter, medical supplies, and/or services
• Assistance for counseling services for members experiencing trauma of any kind
In addition, as monies mature in the Trust Fund, the Trust Document stipulates that the following may be constructed to benefit the Apostolic Assembly on the national level (refer to Section 3.vi.):
• Orphanages
• Colleges
• Retirement centers
RoadMap:
Let us Return to Book of Acts
Back to Acts 6
“ Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, it is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.” Acts 6:2-4
In the Beginning…
The early church in the Book of Acts began with men of God such as the apostles Peter, Paul, and their followers who had a calling and appointment by God to preach the Gospel.
Download Complete Newsletter
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The ROADMAP booklet was written for Apostolic Assembly pastors. Below are 7 basic truths that are expressed in the booklet.
TRUTH #1:
WE MUST BUILD WISELY –- ON THE FOUNDATION
“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” I Corinthians 3:10,11
•• Without compromising absolute truth
•• Without fearing appropriate changes
•• Without backing down from challenges
TRUTH #2:
WE MUST BUILD WITHOUT WASTING - NOT IN VAIN
• Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it.
Psalms 127:1
•• By His Spirit and grace
•• By His instructions
•• By His Strength
TRUTH #3:
WE MUST BUILD WELL - TO PLEASE HIM
• For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10
•• He is the one we aim to please
•• He is the preferred "customer"
•• He is the one that matters
TRUTH #4:
WE MUST BUILD WIDELY - THE WORLD IS OUR FIELD
• But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:8
•• Looking beyond ourselves
•• Looking beyond our own churches
•• Looking beyond our own culture
TRUTH #5:
WE MUST BUILD WALL-TO-WALL GOD WANTS HIS HOUSE TO BE FULL
• And the lord said unto the servant, Go out in to the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:23
•• Everyone is a sinner
•• Everyone must repent
•• Everyone can call on Him
TRUTH #6:
WE MUST BUILD WATCHFULLY - WITH WEAPON IN HAND
" They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burden, with those that lade , [every one] with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other [hand] held a weapon.
Nehemiah 14:7
•• Able to work together
•• Able to identify the enemy
•• Able to build and fight
TRUTH #7:
WE MUST BUILD WEEPINGLY - WITH HEARTFELT PASSION
• He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall
doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
Psalms 126:6
•• More than duty, delight
•• More than position, passion
•• More than method, mission
For information contact the Assembly Headquarters at
10807 Laurel Street, Rancho Cucamonga, California, 91730 You can contact us by phone at (909) 987-3013 or by e-mail to headquarters@apostolicassembly.org
RoadMap:
Let us Return to Book of Acts
Back to Acts 6
“ Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, it is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.” Acts 6:2-4
In the Beginning…
The early church in the Book of Acts began with men of God such as the apostles Peter, Paul, and their followers who had a calling and appointment by God to preach the Gospel.
Download Complete Newsletter
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The ROADMAP booklet was written for Apostolic Assembly pastors. Below are 7 basic truths that are expressed in the booklet.
TRUTH #1:
WE MUST BUILD WISELY –- ON THE FOUNDATION
“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” I Corinthians 3:10,11
•• Without compromising absolute truth
•• Without fearing appropriate changes
•• Without backing down from challenges
TRUTH #2:
WE MUST BUILD WITHOUT WASTING - NOT IN VAIN
• Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it.
Psalms 127:1
•• By His Spirit and grace
•• By His instructions
•• By His Strength
TRUTH #3:
WE MUST BUILD WELL - TO PLEASE HIM
• For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10
•• He is the one we aim to please
•• He is the preferred "customer"
•• He is the one that matters
TRUTH #4:
WE MUST BUILD WIDELY - THE WORLD IS OUR FIELD
• But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:8
•• Looking beyond ourselves
•• Looking beyond our own churches
•• Looking beyond our own culture
TRUTH #5:
WE MUST BUILD WALL-TO-WALL GOD WANTS HIS HOUSE TO BE FULL
• And the lord said unto the servant, Go out in to the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:23
•• Everyone is a sinner
•• Everyone must repent
•• Everyone can call on Him
TRUTH #6:
WE MUST BUILD WATCHFULLY - WITH WEAPON IN HAND
" They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burden, with those that lade , [every one] with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other [hand] held a weapon.
Nehemiah 14:7
•• Able to work together
•• Able to identify the enemy
•• Able to build and fight
TRUTH #7:
WE MUST BUILD WEEPINGLY - WITH HEARTFELT PASSION
• He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall
doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
Psalms 126:6
•• More than duty, delight
•• More than position, passion
•• More than method, mission
For information contact the Assembly Headquarters at
10807 Laurel Street, Rancho Cucamonga, California, 91730 You can contact us by phone at (909) 987-3013 or by e-mail to headquarters@apostolicassembly.org
RoadMap:
Let us Return to Book of Acts
Back to Acts 6
“ Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, it is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.” Acts 6:2-4
In the Beginning…
The early church in the Book of Acts began with men of God such as the apostles Peter, Paul, and their followers who had a calling and appointment by God to preach the Gospel.
Download Complete Newsletter
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The ROADMAP booklet was written for Apostolic Assembly pastors. Below are 7 basic truths that are expressed in the booklet.
TRUTH #1:
WE MUST BUILD WISELY –- ON THE FOUNDATION
“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” I Corinthians 3:10,11
•• Without compromising absolute truth
•• Without fearing appropriate changes
•• Without backing down from challenges
TRUTH #2:
WE MUST BUILD WITHOUT WASTING - NOT IN VAIN
• Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it.
Psalms 127:1
•• By His Spirit and grace
•• By His instructions
•• By His Strength
TRUTH #3:
WE MUST BUILD WELL - TO PLEASE HIM
• For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10
•• He is the one we aim to please
•• He is the preferred "customer"
•• He is the one that matters
TRUTH #4:
WE MUST BUILD WIDELY - THE WORLD IS OUR FIELD
• But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:8
•• Looking beyond ourselves
•• Looking beyond our own churches
•• Looking beyond our own culture
TRUTH #5:
WE MUST BUILD WALL-TO-WALL GOD WANTS HIS HOUSE TO BE FULL
• And the lord said unto the servant, Go out in to the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:23
•• Everyone is a sinner
•• Everyone must repent
•• Everyone can call on Him
TRUTH #6:
WE MUST BUILD WATCHFULLY - WITH WEAPON IN HAND
" They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burden, with those that lade , [every one] with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other [hand] held a weapon.
Nehemiah 14:7
•• Able to work together
•• Able to identify the enemy
•• Able to build and fight
TRUTH #7:
WE MUST BUILD WEEPINGLY - WITH HEARTFELT PASSION
• He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall
doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
Psalms 126:6
•• More than duty, delight
•• More than position, passion
•• More than method, mission
For information contact the Assembly Headquarters at
10807 Laurel Street, Rancho Cucamonga, California, 91730 You can contact us by phone at (909) 987-3013 or by e-mail to headquarters@apostolicassembly.org
Sam:
Will you please stop fillabustering.
We know who you are.
You are off track and you know it.
Go crawl back under your rock.
Seeker said...
To the author of the letter “Blood on the hands of the General Board”,
Your letter, which is attached to the court document, is full of twisted truth.
So, you are agreeing there is truth
Manipulating the reader into your illogical, unsound way of thinking.
Just sharing what I believe - as you are.
You accused VP Sr. of not being qualified with someone else’s actions.
Never said that. Try reading it again "you are one of the few who actually meet the criteria to become a General Board member."
I am glad you are not a lawyer, as your straw-man argument would have no leg to stand on if it were a court case.
I'm glad too. However, the court must have agreed to the liability seeing how they gave such a large award. And BTW, this was a court case.
VP Jr's court Document has nothing to do with the elections and nor does it related to the info site documents concerning the 2006 elections.
There were no elections in 2006. Only appoinments/selections. The reference to the deception that took place was just that a reference to Victor's 'guilt by association'.
What you have posted is twisted truth and manipulates it and tries to connect two separates, unrelated tragic incidents.
Would you also say 1 Timothy 3:1-7 is a twisted truth?
1 Timothy 3:1-7 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
The actions of VP Sr. are not the actions of VP Jr. who is of age. Everyone is held responsible for his or her own actions, especially if you are of age.
I agree. Bishop Victor Prado is responsible for allowing a wreckless Victor Prado Jr. to drive a vehicle without a valid drivers license, causing the death of a young girl.
This is false, the vehicle was under VP JR's name and paid out of his pockets not the AA's.
And you know this because you have SEEN the registration of the vehicle? and it clearly shows 'Victor Prado Jr.'? I think not. Victor Sr. was the registered owner. His source of income Apostolic Assembly. I believe the State of New Mexico requires the registered owner of a vehicle to have and maintain a CURRENT VALID drivers license. Which Jr. did/does not have.
And just to make it clear, I do not agree with the 2006 elections. It is a shame when stories like this comes out which sidetracks the true purpose of the info site.
I didn't ask them to post it on the front page. I figured it would be on the 'other' page. I see that's where it is now.
Finally, why do you feel you need to try discrediting the AA.info site? Are you a 'closet' GB member? When I've sent information to them it can sometimes take a couple of days to post. Not everyone lives on their computer.
I.Stand.By.My.Words said...
Seeker said...
Great response 'I.Stand.By.My.Words'
Seeker is eating hers right now.
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
I.Stand.By.My.Words:
Right on....Seeker is now WEEPER..
Good job! I stand by my words
I.Stand.By.My.Words:
Right on....Seeker is now WEEPER..
Good job! I stand by my words
Sam:
Thank you very much for posting all the WONDERFUL INFORMATION ON 'THE NAVA FOUNDATION' THE ROADSIDE MAP WONDERFUL REPORTS' (WE ARE IN COURT) AND THE
MANY ORPHANAGES, COLLEGES, RETIREMENT CENTERS, WIDOWS FUND
($50.00 PER MONTH)
AND LET US NOT FORGET THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND COUNSELING FOR TRAUMA, AS YOU VICTOR JR., ARE RECEIVING AND THE SCHORSHIP AT CAL STATE NORTHRIDGE, YOU ARE RECEIVING FROM 'THE NAVA FOUNDATION'
Good job and good reminding,,Victor.. I always knew that "Sam" was you Victor.
Take good care of yourself.
Who is guilty.?.the Court ruled...
To becausewecare
We feel sorry for people like you that "care" what do you care about?
"Justice"? Look what happened to the want to be "heroes" for "justice" and "cared"
You are absolutely "crazy" if you think anyone is going to give you the "date" on ELISEO SANCHEZ.
The truth is and you should know, but you are totaly "out of It"
ELISEO SANCHEZ HAS TOO MUCH ON HIS
BROTHER DANIEL SANCHEZ:
The one that protects ELISEO is his own brother DANIEL. Wow...don't you know? "Because we care" that the SANCHEZ family is totally disfunctual?
Where have you been? Out in "VEGAS"...Give up...no one will give you that date...TOO HOT TO HANDLE...
YOU MUST BE TOLD THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE SO NIEVE...Wake up.....
You poor thing. Stop caring..Get a life.......
middleoftheroad said...
Sam:
Thank you very much for posting all the WONDERFUL INFORMATION ON 'THE NAVA FOUNDATION' THE ROADSIDE MAP WONDERFUL REPORTS' (WE ARE IN COURT) AND THE
MANY ORPHANAGES, COLLEGES, RETIREMENT CENTERS, WIDOWS FUND
($50.00 PER MONTH)
iTS ALL FOR THE GB fAVOR alot off people dont know but the constitution was done to protect the GB...
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AND LET US NOT FORGET THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND COUNSELING FOR TRAUMA, AS YOU VICTOR JR., ARE RECEIVING AND THE SCHORSHIP AT CAL STATE NORTHRIDGE, YOU ARE RECEIVING FROM 'THE NAVA FOUNDATION'
Victor JR injoy life while you can your right life is too short follw the example of your daddy keep ruining lives and take advatage of people who are those people...the church the ones that maintane you VICTOR PRADO!!!!
Good job and good reminding,,Victor.. I always knew that "Sam" was you Victor.
Take good care of yourself.
Who is guilty.?.the Court ruled...
Victor PRADO....GUILTY
Para Sam:
La corte digo "culpalble" y pago al
"Estate de Cecia Zuniga" lo que se pido de "multa". Deja los papeles del "Kinkos" no se esta hablando de eso...
Porque no es gusto que un miembro de La Mesa Directiva,Victor Prado (SEC DE ASSISTENCIA SOCIAL) no tenga la "cortecia" de guarde respecto a la tragedia de La Familia Zuniga.
Victor Prado Sr. se devilla de guardar con respecto a esa Familia que esta en dolor.
Y no andar luciendose en campamentos, gritando, dando consejos familiares, junto con Ofelia.
Pero al no saber mejor "etica ministerial" se porta sin racionamiento...Mira que dicen que va a otro "campamento" aqui en Los Angeles con Valverde...
Esto es ridiculo y sin sensibilidad
ni amor cristiano...Pero dime Sam ..
Que esperas de la Mesa Directiva?
Todo esto es para finguir, que "All is well"
"Todo esta bien" "Y decir que a ellos no les importa nada."
Todos son iguales.
La Familia Zuniga no iba en el volante......?Quien iba en el volante?
Si la corte dio favor hacia La Familia Zuniga..
Que puedes decir mas?..... No te justifiques mas.
Yo oro por ti y por tu familia...
Pero le falta mucha madures a tu padre Victor Prado.
Que Dios te bendiga y sigue el bien...Sam..(Victor JR)
Porque tu padre no sabe mejor..
The ROADMAP booklet was written for Apostolic Assembly pastors ONLY.
Below are 7 basic truths that are expressed in the booklet.
THE TOAD MAP (EL SAPO SINCHO)
TRUTH #1:
WE MUST BUILD WISELY –- ON THE FOUNDATION
Using the wisdom of man not God
“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” I Corinthians 3:10,11
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Without compromising absolute truth…except when it comes to elections but don’t worry…if you kiss up enough you just might make it.
•• Without fearing appropriate changes…have no fear Pachueco is here, we’re only going to take your money and make mega churches but don’t worry you will still have a seat in the back!
•• Without backing down from challenges..except when men with actual meatballs confront us, then we hide and leave it up to our guinea pigs to do the dirty work!
TRUTH #2:
WE MUST BUILD WITHOUT WASTING - NOT IN VAIN
Don’t waste your money on clothes, gas, and food; give it to the AAFCJ. We need it to make our viejas happy. Don’t forget, they’re the ones holding our meatballs!
• Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it.
Psalms 127:1
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• By His Spirit and grace…we do not live.
•• By His instructions…we ignore.
•• By His Strength…we will soon find out.
TRUTH #3:
WE MUST BUILD WELL - TO PLEASE HIM
When we say Him, we mean Sanchez.
• For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• He is the one we aim to please…everyone knows this now.
•• He is the preferred "customer"…that indeed he is.
•• He is the one that matters…of course and the other two stooges.
TRUTH #4:
WE MUST BUILD WIDELY - THE WORLD IS OUR FIELD
We know this, we use to pick oranges and all that good stuff.
• But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:8
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Looking beyond ourselves…well only when we need money.
•• Looking beyond our own churches…only to through them to the streets.
•• Looking beyond our own culture…who are we kidding? We only care about our Ostrich boots chicali tecate culture.
TRUTH #5:
WE MUST BUILD WALL-TO-WALL GOD WANTS HIS HOUSE TO BE FULL
This is true, our three mega churches are all that matter.
• And the lord said unto the servant, Go out in to the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:23
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Everyone is a sinner…except us three, well there was the time that Pachueco got caught in the car scam but he’s the only sinner we’ll forgive.
•• Everyone must repent…except us.
•• Everyone can call on Him…again by him we mean Sanchez, so yes you can call but you won’t get an answer.
TRUTH #6:
WE MUST BUILD WATCHFULLY - WITH WEAPON IN HAND
Brothers these are the perilous times, our weapon is not spiritual, it is physical.
" They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burden, with those that lade , [every one] with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other [hand] held a weapon.
Nehemiah 14:7
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• Able to work together…we do this very well, obviously. We made our own corporation all by our selves with no help from anybody!
•• Able to identify the enemy…we have done this and removed them.
•• Able to build and fight…indeed, as we have robbed people from their land and money to build on our own land and call it ours. We will fight that we are right even if it is wrong.
TRUTH #7:
WE MUST BUILD WEEPINGLY - WITH HEARTFELT PASSION
This is the tear jerker moment, this will come at convention time. Be ready, you will see us in action!
• He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall
doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
Psalms 126:6
(This scripture is only for religious purposes, otherwise it does not pertain to anything we do)
•• More than duty, delight…in the removal of pastors and those that have left willingly because we are right and they are wrong.
•• More than position, passion…we will cry if we do not get our position, we have passion for all that we do, passion in taking churches and their money.
•• More than method, mission…we don’t have methods but it’s okay, you all understand. We undermine your education, your households, and everything else you do. To us, you are all incompetent but it’s okay because as long as we call you a friend, you believe that we actually like you!
For information contact the Assembly Headquarters at
10807 Laurel Street, Rancho Cucamonga, California, 91730
You can contact us by phone at (909) 987-3013 or by e-mail to headquarters@apostolicassembly.org
You can contact us but we wont answer, we will more than likely be out of the country!
Their you go Patrick...I liked what you said: "You can contact us by phone at (909) 987-3013 or by e-mail to headquarters@apostolicassembly.org
You can contact us but we wont answer, we will more than likely be out of the country!"
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this is true when you cal the GB the first person that always aswers is Naomi...But it seems she is the only one their...everyone is hiding in their desks..
but if you wish to speak to any of these
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
just same you want to make a money donation and they will transfer you to any of these...
I.Stand.By.My.Words:
We live in a country that if you are 18 and over you are responsible for your own actions!
VP Jr. was not living under VP Sr. roof when this tragic incident happened.
If you are not disqualifying VP Sr. of his position as a GB member, then why did you ask the following questions attached to your letter?
Why is Bishop Victor Prado still allowed to remain as Bishop?
Why is Bishop Victor Prado still allowed to Pastor in the Apostolic Assembly?
Why has Bishop Victor Prado not been suspended or had his ministerial license REVOKED?
Sound to me you are discrediting VP Sr. with an incident that has nothing to do with the elections of 2006.
"So, you are agreeing there is truth" - I.stand.by.my.words
Yes I do agree that there is truth in the court documents, not in your twisted letter trying to discredit VP Sr. although you say you are not.
“Whether you were a part of the deception that occurred at the 2006
elections, . . . ” – Blood on the hands of the General Board
“There were no elections in 2006. Only appoinments/selections.” - I.stand.by.my.words
hmm, so which of the two words do you stand by?
I am not arguing if fraud was committed in the 2006 elections, I am not in favor of the current GB’s actions, what I am arguing is that the tragic story of VP Jr and Cecia Zuniga was brought out, which in reality has nothing to do with the 2006 elections.
If you all feel the story should remain out in the open then my question is:
How did Zuniga win the $3 million that was awarded? What was his case to sue the AA if the incident involved VP Jr. as the current court docs indicated which are currently posted on the info site?
If Zuniga was awarded this large sum of money, Then I can see how easy it was for him to give up his church.
Seeker said...
hmm, so which of the two words do you stand by?
Both!
Deception occurred at the 2006 elections causing there to be no legitimate election only appointments!
what I am arguing is that the tragic story of VP Jr and Cecia Zuniga was brought out, which in reality has nothing to do with the 2006 elections.
Who said it had anything to do with the elections? Maybe you read that into it yourself. Was it a 'revelation'?
How did Zuniga when the $3 million that was awarded?
What is you question?
What was his case to sue the AA if the incident involved VP Jr.
Seek, spend some $$ at the courts and you may find out.
If Zuniga was awarded this large sum of money, Then I can see how easy it was for him to give up his church.
How cold and callous can you be? Don't you think Bro .Zuniga would give twice that amount and more to have his daughter back?
And why would having a large some of money in his personal (family) account imply it would be easy to give up an eight million dollar building?
I am reposting this to see if anyone knows about this incident.
becausewecare said...
Does anyone have any information on the exact date in the 60's when Eliseo Sanchez was pastor of the church in Edinburg Texas and he was arrested and convicted?
I called several people who know and they said, "what does this have to do with Sanchez and the elction fraud in Long Beach in 2006?" Duh...
The fact that Sanchez allowing his brother to have ministerial credentials, and Sanchez has fired so many other Pastor for so much less only shows the discriminatory nature of the gb.
Another one to include in 'should not hold ministerial credentials' is Herman Garza, Irving Texas.
Just add this to the list of men who should not be pastors, and moreover, the list of people who would never dare say anything that would endanger their own positions.
August 15, 2008 7:18 PM
Can you just let it go WEEPER....
Can you just let it go WEEPER....
seeker= WEEPER
You must really be sick Sneeker. To think that a father would prefer money to his daughter.
I vote you off this blog!!!!
trophynan:
I vote him out also...
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anyone else want to vote out WEEPER!!
trophynan:
I want to vote the 'creeper' out too. At the risk of sounding like a DGB member, you have my TWO votes!!!!!!
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares . . ."
If they crept in - they must be creeps!
the truth for once
It is me Abuelito, you taught me well!
I do not talk trash though Abuelito, that is all pure comedy.
Yo soy un buen comediano!
you can't say you didn't laugh homes
TO: Jesse
YES This site is only allowing the 'messages' and 'post' that support their views. The other day I saw a posting that listed lots of facts about Zuniga. Some of them I know for certain because I was there. And it was erased!!! Believe me, He is NOT the man thys say he is.
Well, my short message her might also be deleted.
To Nat Ramirez
You Speak so boldly. I admire you. Why do I admire you? Because you have the guts to speak out so loudly ... now that your NOT in the Assembly as you have stated. But WHY are you NOT in the AA? Because you got a young girl pregnant and you and your father paid her off and paid for her abortion! What? DId you think we all forgot that? That is why your father had to move to northern california. Member? You Member!
Sam said, "ANYONE CAN MAKE UP FAKE DOCUMENTS. THOSE "DOCUMENTS" YOU POSTED UP ARE MADE UP AT KINKOS AND FALSELY PUT UP ON THAT REBEL WEBSITE. SECOND IS DOING WELL AND HAD HIS DRIVERS LICENSE REINSTATED. ALL YOU GOSSIPERS NEED TO GET A LIFE AND STOP GOSSIPING. YOU CANT HANDLE THAT GOD DID A TRUE MIRACLE ON SECOND AND SECOND IS BEING USED BY GOD. YOU CALL HIM GAY, YOU CALL HIM A MURDERER, YOU CALL HIM ALL KINDS OF NAMES. GIVE IT UP YOU LOSERS."
Sammy my girl, I mean boy ;-}. First of all wasn't it established in the past that you have, should I say flor azul tendencies! You defending A KNOW FLOR AZULER only solidifies that fact. Everyone knows VP jr likes to play ball. SO my girlie Sam, go back to your peep Timmo, and as it is known in F of T church where you attend, Timmos girlfriend is still mad at you for trying to take her man! Dumb ..ss!
To: paul NOT the apostle
If this site seems only one sided to you than that’s too bad.
I think it’s time someone told OUR side of the story, we are tired of being fed all of our leaders lies, sick of being told everything is ok when we know that’s not the truth, we are disgusted to see how our leaders have protected and harbored for years sexual predators and we had no one to tell OUR SIDE of the story, of brothers & sis complaining to their pastors only to be kicked out of the congregations and left out in the cold and no one to tell what had happened to them, many people thought this would continue but I submit to you NO MORE!!!
You, aa leaders and their first and royal families that felt like being treated like royalty was your birthright, you that for years have enjoyed anonymity while taking advantage of the bros & sis hard work, now it’s our time to have some anonymity to come forward and tell the world how we the “Regular People” feel.
Its tiring having to read the PK’s ranting about how this blog is unjust to their loved one or one sided why don’t you tell your dad to explain things in detail to the congregation from the pulpit if he is so offended, why come here if this blog is full of lies, why even check this blog to see if your family name comes up ???
Some people will post that I might sound angry or bitter but I ask you
How would you feel towards our leaders if it was one of you daughters or your sister that got sexually abused by Barrientos and your leaders not only denied helping you but instead protected him ??? how would you feel??
people are still holding back from sharing, stay tuned……
Jesse
I amas upset with those allegations and / or proofs of sexual misconduct, abuse, molestation and you or anyone else!
Please don''t generalize my words and include topics I never mentioned.
The problem is easy to resolve concerning potention "sexual offenders" Every Minister and Potention Minister should be Life Scanned. Im sure that would go a long way in spotting these predetors. Don't you agree?
My comments only are about those how I have mentioned. If you don't belive them, that is fine. Neither do I believed everything I read here.
Am I completely happy with the General Board of our Assembly. No. Am I supportive? Yes, in part. Do I respect the Ministry of the AA? Yes, including some of those that were removed.
The bottom line...We must all Pray. If anyone chooses to continue with the Apsotolic Assembly or not,it is a free choice that can be personally made. I will Continue.
Paul
Paul not the apostle
How's Reena?
I support her decision for staying with the AA and stabbing BR in the back, while working for the AA. Choosing to stay working for the offices, it was the right thing to do.
I don't see how people don't understand that her job is more important. I hope you do become a minister some day.
What was it you two did again in the church at the pulpit?
Paul:
With all due respect I ask you What good would a Life Scan do?
When known perverts who have be convicted, and court papers to show are still Pastoring.
Just look at the Apostolic letters under Parents Beware.
From what I read Mr Quiroz is Pastoring in the AA.
Yes God forgives but you don't throw the wolf back into the hen house after you think he has paid his dues.
What I mean why do a really good background check. When our leaders will turn a blind eye to the proof that is even there in front of their eyes.
Look at Eddie's checker past. I guess all the Pastor knew of it, because he received only 2 votes which were probably his own and Valverdes.
The DGB turned a blind eye and appointed him.
I think thats one reason the questions were raised because of Eddie's track record to money and scamming ways.
Alert Alert!!!
Elder Salas
from the North Central District of California gave up his two churches (Winton
and Livingston CA) about two weeks ago. Elder Salas is the brother in law to
Bishop President Daniel Sanchez. I believe Elder Salas is married to Bishop
Sanchez sister. The reason he gave for giving up his two churches was he did
not agree with the way the Apostolic Assembly was removing the Pastors,
especially Dr. Baldemar Rodriguez.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
A meeting is being called to discuss the Gaylord convention! A postponement is high on the agenda or moving the convention to Anaheim are the two options. Sanchez is very concerned about the spiritual atmosphere in Texas. Financially it is not feasible to have this type of atmosphere the thought is that it could be costly to the AA. With all the lawsuits pending this is not good! Sorry folks from Texas!!
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
A meeting is being called to discuss the Gaylord convention! A postponement is high on the agenda or moving the convention to Anaheim are the two options. Sanchez is very concerned about the spiritual atmosphere in Texas. Financially it is not feasible to have this type of atmosphere the thought is that it could be costly to the AA. With all the lawsuits pending this is not good! Sorry folks from Texas!!
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
To trophy man:
You gotta be kidding...Never again in the History of This Earth will the Anaheim Convention Committee allow the AA to hold a convention in its premises...Where have you been? The florazulers arrests and the bringing in "false almarms of the Firedepartment" with the Hotels having to pay hundred of dollars for false alarms...
And in three months for rescheduling the convention...dream on Arizona....
Don't Mess With Texas!!
To Trophy Man'
I have always thought your comments were alright...well sort of.
But tonight for you to "side up with Sanchez on his "spirituality admosphere" You gotta be joking...
Does he think stealing from a family in home on North Citron in Anaheim and leaving a developmentally delayed son, Daniel, homeless is being "spiritual"
Wow now I know for real this man is "questionable"
Please tell us you're kidding.
Sanchez is in no position to refer to anything not spiritually.
He sent his brother in law Artie to "scout" first the land of far
away Texas and then purchased land for "General Offices" and then sets up with his two comrads, Valverde and Pacheco, a NEW Corporation" in TEXAS and now calls it "not a spiritual admosphere place"
You're kidding huh?
Yes, I knew you were baiting and kidding...WEEEEE.....
Quote
"Sanchez is very concerned about the spiritual atmosphere in Texas"
What spiritual atmosphere?
It went out the window in Nov.2006.
Its been downhill ever since. More and more hermanos are finding out the truth, and they ain't to happy.
The hard working hermanas are being bullied to work even harder and make more money.
And I hear the hand picked dorcas board are in the hot seat for not raking in enough money.
The cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes and roles. There is no appeal outside of his or her system to greater systems of justice. For example, if a school teacher
feels unjustly treated by a principal, appeals can be made. In a cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.
The cult tends to have a double set of ethics. Members are urged to be open and honest within the group, and confess all to the leaders. On the other hand, they are encouraged to deceive and manipulate outsiders or nonmembers. Established religions teach members to be honest and truthful to all, and to abide by one set of ethics.
The cult has basically only two purposes, recruiting new members and fund-raising. Established religions and altruistic movements may also recruit and raise funds. However, their sole purpose is not to grow larger; such groups have the goals to better the lives of their members
and mankind in general. The cults may claim to make social
contributions, but in actuality these remain mere claims, or gestures. Their focus is always dominated by recruiting new members and fund-raising.
To the truth at last;;;
Thanks..You surely know what you are talking about....
When Sanchez was pastor in Tucson, Arizona and in Solana Beach, here in California he never paid tithes...There are records on this.
See, they used to publish this information in "El Heraldo"
(The Pastor's tithes)
Then Sanchez "hung around with the "Big Ace" Brother Robert Ramirez and HUNG ON TO HIS COAT TAILS' TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF.
SANCHEZ PLAYED THE PART OF VERY "SAUVE'
"Decided to make himself a "singer" and was assigned to be "M>C> in the General Conventions" and made a name for himself...On behalf of brother Robert and Tomas Ramirez(Iam no relationton to the Ramirez, but I witness that....many times.
Sanchez was even my friend and nice to me, but wow did he turn once he made his "goal"
"Board Member"
Many of my friends say the same thing, but I attribute this to "ageing" beginning with "rage and control"
Sanchez has never been spiritual.
He plays the part very well.
Even having his wife "play the Angela Jauhall part of the "Madonna innocent look".
Do you know about Sanchez "spiritual daughter Sandra, that lives with them, ask "around"..Wow....
Nothing spiritual about her.....
The odacity to try to "identify"
"SPIRITUALITY"
SANCHEZ YOU ARE WAY OFF...AND YOUR BUDDIES...
BUT... 'TRUTH AT LAST", I THINK
'TROPHY MAN' BAITED US CALIFORNIANS, FROM RANCHO....
He knows better as everyone knows.
There AIN"T no spirituality in Sanchez, or he would have had the fear(repect to God) to committ fraud in the elections in 06.
Bishop Abel Torres and Sister Dahlia..Remember once a Bishop you are always an honorary Bishop.
I have no other way to contact you.
But the more I read this comments on this blogs, as they are called.
The more I realize how sick and tired the Lord Jesus was with all this lies, fraud, and conspiracy and lack of fear of God. Nor any respect what so ever to the "Bride" of the Lord, "The Church"
I just want to apologize from the bottom of my heart and soul that you two, had to be the ones "chosen" from the Lord to "REVEAL THIS MESS"
It has been very "rough" for you two, because these "GALLOS" play
"hard ball"...
They have been around for a long time. But also having known both your parents and what they have prevailed, I realize "Why you were
CHOSEN"
When I read that you brother Abel got ill in Long Beach. I knew that you had a "rough" road ahead of you.. You had " no idea" "How ROUGH".
You were about to go into the Devil's Den...
But join the ones for "Truth"
The Assembly has suffered very much. It is getting ready to be completely "dissolved"
But in the name of Jesus we are praying to God to rebuke these self appointed persons who are so "money and power hungry" they refuse to give up.
Thank you from the bottom of hearts for being here. God bless you and protect you and your family. Especially your wonderful Mothers...
Keep the Faith. There is definately a very 'PRONOUNCED DIVISION" bUT IT WAS LONG OVER DUE..
YA BASTA SANCHEZ, AND ESPECIALY THE MACHINE'VALVERDE AND PACHECO.'
THE LORD OF HOST REBUKE YOU.
THANKS AGAIN BROTHER AND SISTER ABEL TORRES...
PLEASE POST AGAIN THE INFORMATION FOR DENVER'S ACTIVITY..WE WANT TO BE THERE....LORD WILLING.
"Sanchez is very cb>oncerned about the spiritual atmosphere in Texas"
*Notice*
NATIONAL CONVENTION WILL MOST LIKELY BE held IN CANCUN/CABO ... they have to take a vote firST! lol
loL ABOVE STATEMENT IS JUST A JOKE! lol
So...
I Hear That Some FlorAzulers From FOT Would Like For Me To Visit Again...
But As I mentioned B4 I Dont Really Like The Orange Show...
But If You Are Extending An Invitation To Me...
Thats Pretty Cool... But Why The FlorAzulers???
Thanks... Timmy BUT I'll Have To
Think About It...
SKOTTY
ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!
SO...
I WAS READING WHAT I MISSED THIS MORNING...
where did Paul Not The Apostle GO???
After The Comment About ReenA ... He Seemed To have Disappeared...ne Body Else Notice???
btw what did they do?
Skotty,
you don't want to know...
trust me
I am with seeker about the fact that apostolicinfo is a onesided blog...
tejano said...
I'd like to see you post that letter that you allege he sent to the general board as I didn't find it on apostolicassembly.info...if
April 23, 2008 2:23 PM
GQ1973 said...
for some odd reason they will not post anything that I send them, I thought they were neutral?? I already asked them how come "they" had not posted what I sent them, I still get no response.
April 23, 2008 5:15 PM
To gq1973:
Maybe they say " who is he" just a nobody, who's comments are not worth discussing! Are you related to someone that's been in the assembly more than a century? Well, there is your answer. Try again, you might have better luck next time!
To Seeker and gq1973,
Why don't you complain that the qualifying board was one sided in who they hand picked for the gb!
Why don't you complain that the judgements agains the plaintiffs were one sided by the gb!
Why don't you complain that EVERYTHING the gb says and does is ONE SIDED!
I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE SAME THING YOU ACCUSE OTHER BLOGGERS OF DOING!!! What a hypocrite and Dumb ..ss, just like the GB of the AA!!!!!
want to talk about scams, there is some lawyer coming around our Northwest Texas District claiming to represent the AA, and all the Pastor's have to do is sign some paperwork to become part of the corporation of TX, guess what, read the documentation, if you are a Pastor in the AA, there is no need to sign any paperwork because as the paperwork states, all actions of the new corporation will be held by the Corporation of CA, that means that you are already a member and do not need to sign anything, you are still a member of the Apostolic Assembly. I am figuring, the undeducated Pastors will probably sign and they(the plaintiffs) will use those signatures to join the new divided church, or take those signatures of the Pastors to the GB, and twist why the paperwork was signed.
If anyone knows the real reason for that lawyer, can you please post??
For many of you, The Apostolic Assembly has backed you into a corner. They crammed so much holiness and truth down your throat; now you don’t know where to go. I can see why this blog exist. It is a vent for frustration. The (AA) got so many of us to believe that that they were superior in doctrine, truth and holiness. Where are they now? This is no longer about the 2006 Election. This is about the unethical practices that the AA has been doing since its inception. The 2006 election just launched a greater awareness.
1 Samuel
Then the Philistines (General Board) took the ark of God and brought it from Ebenezer to Ashdod. When the Philistines (General Board) took the ark of God, they brought it into the house (Apostolic Headquarters) of Dagon and set it by Dagon (Apostolic Assembly). And when the people (Apostolic Members) of Ashdod arose early in the morning, there was Dagon (Apostolic Assembly), fallen on its face to the earth before the ark of the LORD. So they (General Board) took Dagon (Apostolic Assembly) and set it in its place again. And when they arose early the next morning, there was Dagon (Apostolic Assembly), fallen on its face to the ground before the ark of the LORD. The head (Ex-Communicated Pastors) of Dagon and both the palms of its hands (Ex-Communicated Pastors) were broken off on the threshold; only Dagon’s torso (All Other Pastor’s) was left of it. Therefore neither the priests (Bishops’s) of Dagon (Apostolic Assembly) nor any who come into Dagon’s house (Apostolic Headquarters) tread on the threshold of Dagon (Apostolic Assembly) in Ashdod to this day.
Wake up Apostolicos!!!!
No man can serve two Masters.
Rancho Cucamonga - Rancho Cucuy-Monstro!
LOL.. sorry, just a little comic relief :)
Apostolic_insider said...
To gq1973:
Maybe they say " who is he" just a nobody, who's comments are not worth discussing! Are you related to someone that's been in the assembly more than a century? Well, there is your answer. Try again, you might have better luck next time!
August 18, 2008 6:34 AM
I know you side with Former Bishop Torres, and that's all great, kudos to you, but I am only 3rd generation Apostolic. My grandmother was Methodist, then the good Lord revealed all she had to do therefore becoming Apostolic through water and spirit.
are you one that erased your comments from my blog, cause you could not take my responses to your comments? or you must be from Midland.
Odessa's Pastor's day was celebrated yesterday, and we were glad to see some Members of the Midland church join us, that is what it is about, showing these bloggers from a different state, that all that they read is not really all true. You might have a couple of gruntled members here and there, but for the most part, Midland and Odessa, Pastor Abel and Pastor Arreola don't have bad blood. And again we thank those Midland Members that joined us in our celebration, hope you invite us to yours.
yeah, I think she was Methodist or one of those, but for sure not a holy roller, she died when I was young.
to apostolic insider, maybe you are not siding with anyone but the Church, and thank God for that, as to try again, Why should I have to retry, when I gave them hard evidence??
gq1973:
I am sorry if I offended you. This was not meant as an attack against you. I was agreeing with you because I have tried to add a letter to share with others and it has not been posted for whatever reason. I figure since I don't have any connections to well known family members in the assembly that is why it hadn't been posted
Sorry! I am glad you guys had a wonderful pastors day in Texas.
Re the gb's Roadmap -
"Passion - not position"
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Too funneeeeeeeeeeeeee!
It's more like -
PASSION FOR POSITIONS!
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUY THE- UPCI ?
UPCI (legalistic)
sola dei gloria said...
UPCI (legalistic)
thanks for responding...
WHY DO YOU SAY legalistic?
First, let me define legalism. Legalism is to seek justification by any other means than faith. UPCI has that whole pseudo holiness thing going on. Super long skirts and hair that match their super long tongues.
thats true but i admire the fact that they dont change for the culture...clothing etc..
what would you say about APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY IN THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.?
The Apostolic Assembly is not as legalistic as the UPCI, but they have a whole other set of problems. Read my post above. August 18, 2008 7:45 AM
Apostolic_insider said...
gq1973:
I am sorry if I offended you. This was not meant as an attack against you. I was agreeing with you because I have tried to add a letter to share with others and it has not been posted for whatever reason. I figure since I don't have any connections to well known family members in the assembly that is why it hadn't been posted
Please let me apologize myself, for jumping to a conclusion that was not called for. It has just been that anything I comments on, gets some attention from Midlanders, and just wanted to clarify, that maybe those are disgruntled members, that should be out.
The way I see it, there is no wrong side, both sides have committed otrocities, and both have a right to have their voice heard.
It seems like a lot of dirty laundry is coming out of people I had no idea. But as you well know, not all are facts, others just had a bad experience and assume the person committing the offense on them never mended their ways, others, as I keep reading these posts, need to mend their ways.
No offense taken,
GB- God Bless (not the other meaning-lol)
sola dei gloria said... They crammed so much holiness and truth down your throat; now you don’t know where to go...
Doesnt this this define legalism..if you think about it the AA has become so leglastic and mind controlig by using pschology and man made doctrines that are not even biblical.....Many are catching on and like you said..
Wake up Apostolicos!!!!
No man can serve two Masters.
not all Midlanders, I am talking about those that seem to get upset when I write anything(whom I could probably count on 1 hand)
God Bless the Church!
what's the latest from HOuston?
Noone has updated on Montes, lat I heard he was not going to turn over the properties to the AA, any goons making a visit to thim anytime soon?
FYI:
I heard there was a court hearing in Midland last week regarding changing the locks of the church. Heard the judge is a "tough cowboy." I heard through one of the pastors wife in San Antonio,tx that Sanchez had said while visiting the pastors there last week that the reason the AA was having trouble removing Bishop Torres was because of the influence he had. What did he mean by that?? Is that why we are hearing the convention in Gaylord is considered being postponed?
Apostolic_insider:
THE CONVENTION WILL NOT BE post-poned..
LOOK AT THE--- AA WEB SITE--THEY POSTED SOMTHING NEW..HERE IS THE LINK..
http://www.apostolicassembly.org/2008texascon.aspx
Why would they visit him? As long as they know they can't get ahold of his property then the next best thing is "let's keep him for the tithes he sends in, the flor azul money raked in and any other monies we can get". Maybe somewhere along the way he'll be "obedient" to the "holey" constitution and put the church in the AA's name. Yeah, sure.
Apostolic_insider:
THE CONVENTION WILL NOT BE post-poned..
LOOK AT THE--- AA WEB SITE--THEY POSTED SOMTHING NEW..HERE IS THE LINK..
http://www.apostolicassembly.org/2008texascon.aspx
they have a map to help the revolutanaries4justice..and applications for booths set ups...
so..
How Long Do You Think The gb will Hold On tO tHE churches That Are Being Handed Over???
As long as it takes them to sell them! So that they can then transfer the profits made to the new Texas corporation they have set up without consulting the AA pastors (whose votes would not have counted anyway) and which will have no members.
Skotty Will Show You:
not for long...... those churches (BUILDINGS) are CURSED!
Hmmm... Apps for Booths eh?
Although i dont feel like paying the gb for n e thing... i would like to get a booth or even give stuff for booths to hand out...
camindo...
i'm trying to see yoru point, and maybe you made it sarcastically (sorry if i misread you) but that doesn't make much sense...
qhy boot other people for this infraction, and not others?
This church may be big for texas standards, but int he big picture, its a small-medium size church at best... consider wages in houston, and its avg annual salaries, and it can't be much of a cash cow...
Hmmm... Apps for Booths eh?
Although i dont feel like paying the gb for n e thing... i would like to get a booth or even give stuff for booths to hand out...
Skotty Will Show You:
R U GUYS PLANNING TO GET A booth?..
DID YOU SEE THE MAP THE GB HAS POSTED FOR CONVENTION..
about those buildings who knows if they can even sell them who would want somthing CURSED
we already know what the GB will be selling in there booths..more CONSTITUTIONS!
Area will be determined by the product you will be selling/displaying.
City Hall pre - function area - $ 325.00 per booth
CD, DVD, books, reference materials only
Texas Pre-function area - $ 300.00 per booth
CD, DVD, books, reference materials only
Grapevine Pre-function area - $ 275.00 per booth
Veils, hair accessories only
Add $50.00 per booth if you require electricity
The sale of non-religious items; clothing, food, drinks, toys, etc. is prohibited.
All sales must be in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus.
Furthermore, the Apostolic Assembly reserves the right to cancel and deny applications for non-compliance of the above rules and regulations.
WEEPER is back...
Why don't you complain that the qualifying board was one sided in who they hand picked for the gb!
Why don't you complain that the judgements against the plaintiffs were one sided by the gb!! - CBG
Why don't you complain that EVERYTHING the GB says and does is ONE SIDED!
I have, believe me; I don’t agree with what they did!
I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE SAME THING YOU ACCUSE OTHER BLOGGERS OF DOING!!! What a hypocrite and Dumb..ss, just like the GB of the AA!!!!! - CBG
Guilty, hmmm. . . . nope I don’t feel guilt at all.
Creeper!
I thought we voted you off!
I saw your post on aa.info
Do you feel better now?
ONE WORLD ONE MISSION - COVENANT FORM
Mail or complete your online covenant form by September 15, 2008
www.apostolicassembly.org
Gold $10,000.00 or more
Silver $5,000.00
Bronze $2,500.00
“From what you have, take an offering for the LORD. Everyone who is willing is to bring to the LORD an offering of gold, silver and bronze.” Exodus
I don't know what version their quoting, but the good KJV says:
Exodus 35:4-9 And Moses spake unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD commanded, saying,
Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD; gold, and silver, and brass,
And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood,
And oil for the light, and spices for anointing oil, and for the sweet incense,
And onyx stones, and stones to be set for the ephod, and for the breastplate.
Maybe you're willing, but I wouldn't even give these guys shittim wood
I most certainly do feel much better! Thanks for asking!
FROM NOW ON WE LETS IGNORE SEEKER....
WHO IS WITH ME..
please pay attention to the following comment posted by "trophyman", it actually sent chills down my spine to know which power is at play here. Remove the word of God from what we are dealing with is just a lie direct from the realm of darkness:
trophyman said...
TO ALL BLOGGERS:
One more time please understand this whole mess didn't come about because of a lack of scripture! All scripture quotes are appreciated, but I don't see the need for them. What I do see is a need for some intellectual minds to come up with ideas that can help clean up this mess. Many of you are quoting scipture with a very heavy heart, your anger and bitternes is felt all the way through your blog. This mess came about because of an adminstration that is totally incompetent when it comes to leadership skills. And that's a fact jack! I honestly believe this so called leaders can be removed under pressure. When I am talking about pressure I don't mean violence or dirty tactics. I believe a convention at the Gaylord of the people that have been removed would be a good start!
LA DIST. W/Insights to Rancho Cucamonga
July 27, 2008 6:38 AM
""we will be victorious only with his HOLY SPIRIT""
"...he who exalts himself, shall be humbled..."
This is what Iv'e been trying to tell you Apostolicos. We need "Revelation not "Revolution"
Sola de gloria, you sound reformed at times, are you?
No I am not, but i went to a semi-reformed seminary. I apprected the reformed folks, althought I am not reformed (in the sense of the word)
called2proclaim said...
FROM NOW ON WE LETS IGNORE SEEKER....
WHO IS WITH ME..
While I think you mean well, I think Seeker is entitled to his/her opinion. And - to be clear I don't agree with Seeker about Victor Prado. I think he should step down.
Almost everyone here has bashed someone at one time or another. And who knows, maybe, just maybe Seeker is right. Well, now I went a little too far.
What ever the case, I say ignore everyone (especially factsonly1/thinkfirst) unless their post has value.
I hope this doesn't make me twofaced. I'd hate to bring shame to my 'twovote' name sake.
Apostolic_insider said...
FYI:
I heard there was a court hearing in Midland last week regarding changing the locks of the church. Heard the judge is a "tough cowboy." I heard through one of the pastors wife in San Antonio,tx that Sanchez had said while visiting the pastors there last week that the reason the AA was having trouble removing Bishop Torres was because of the influence he had. What did he mean by that?? Is that why we are hearing the convention in Gaylord is considered being postponed?
August 18, 2008 9:10 AM
Nope, the actual court hearing was about Pastor Abel Torres fighting for the Church building.
Did not go well for Pastor Abel, and an investigation on the judge that ordered the restriction order against the AA and the District Board, is going to take place; why the restriction was granted, being that the property belongs to the AA and there is more than just that court hearing regarding the AA.(Judge should have done the homework)
Basically the judge told Pastor Abel, whom by the way was late to the hearing (kind of wasting the courts time--strike 1), how would he like for the court to go to his house and lock it up and tell him he can't enter into his own home, well, that was pretty much what Pastor Abel did to the Assembly--(strike 2), reason why he was still able to maintain Pastorship in Midland.
Not even the District Bishop Leonardo Garcia, whom supported him through the "protesta" during the elections. if you watch the video where Pastor Abel speaks in the District service in Odessa, you will hear Bishop Garcia mention, that he does not understand it, but .... watch the video....
the influence can be seen on the picture that shows 24 supporters at the Bishop re-election. To have the largest congregation and only get 24 supporters,whom were:
11 Midland Church Members (1
questionable-can't see face)
2 Church Pastors and their wives
(include now Bishop Garcia)
1 other Pastor's wife
8 Family Members
0 Ministers from Midland local
church (aka: La Iglesia Omega)
that's some influence...
Speak To Me: UnAfraid
Apostolic_insider said...
FYI:
I heard there was a court hearing in Midland last week regarding changing the locks of the church. Heard the judge is a "tough cowboy." I heard through one of the pastors wife in San Antonio,tx that Sanchez had said while visiting the pastors there last week that the reason the AA was having trouble removing Bishop Torres was because of the influence he had. What did he mean by that?? Is that why we are hearing the convention in Gaylord is considered being postponed?
August 18, 2008 9:10 AM
Nope, the actual court hearing was about Pastor Abel Torres fighting for the Church building.
Did not go well for Pastor Abel, and an investigation on the judge that ordered the restriction order against the AA and the District Board, is going to take place; why the restriction was granted, being that the property belongs to the AA and there is more than just that court hearing regarding the AA.(Judge should have done the homework)
Basically the judge told Pastor Abel, whom by the way was late to the hearing (kind of wasting the courts time--strike 1), how would he like for the court to go to his house and lock it up and tell him he can't enter into his own home, well, that was pretty much what Pastor Abel did to the Assembly--(strike 2), reason why he was still able to maintain Pastorship in Midland.
Not even the District Bishop Leonardo Garcia, whom supported him through the "protesta" during the elections. if you watch the video where Pastor Abel speaks in the District service in Odessa, you will hear Bishop Garcia mention, that he does not understand it, but .... watch the video....
the influence can be seen on the picture that shows 24 supporters at the Bishop re-election. To have the largest congregation and only get 24 supporters,whom were:
11 Midland Church Members (1
questionable-can't see face)
2 Church Pastors and their wives
(include now Bishop Garcia)
1 other Pastor's wife
8 Family Members
0 Ministers from Midland local
church (aka: La Iglesia Omega)
that's some influence...
Speak To Me: UnAfraid
sorry, don't know why it went twice
To GQ1973,
Where did you get all this information regarding the court hearing?
GQ
The point is that what the Midland church did is beat the gb to the punch! That's why there so bitter.
Who knows if in the end they do keep their church but at least they've won a few rounds.
gq, the way you speak about the Midland church and their pastor is truly sad.
The reason why more support was not available on that day is because truly, Pastor Abel has not made it a spectacle in the church to be talking about the situation. Many of the local church members did not know about what was going on until recently. He has done a good job in not making the situation into a circus. No one is perfect, but for you to bring up other issues that have nothing to do with this or to reference other situations is really irrevelant. Pastor Torres has done a great job as Pastor and Leader and those who do not think so have not had the privilege of knowing him. You shoudl think twice about coming here trying to change the image of this man of God.
As far as there being "bad blood" between these two leaders, Pastor Abel and Pastor Roman, you would not be able to think so, considering that Pastor Abel visited Pastor Roman in the hospital when he was sick and even prayed over him. If there is any issue is not from Pastor Abel towards Pastor Roman.
May God bless you and yours.
gq1973:
Were you there at the hearing? If not it seems like you have been doing some investigating or have been running around with that lawyer you said was in town. Are you not the one that wrote the article about some transformation and stated that you blamed both sides for all this mess. Hmm... you got me a little confused. Are you playing both sides of the fence? It sounds as if you have some kind of resentment towards the church in Midland. I found you somewhat touchy when you attacked me for a comment I made regarding the letters not being posted. And then later you apologize after you assumed I was refering to you when you said Quote; " Please let me apologize myself, for jumping to a conclusion that was not called for." Why do you feel threaten by Midland they have their own thing going on now, don't they?
Sola de gloria,
Are you oneness pentecostal and reformed? In what way was it a semi-reformed seminary?
..gq1973 is the general board..
They are trying to discredit everyone that is speaking truth.
I think I should post my Toad Map again, that was very informative.
Hmm what else can I find?..I'll be back with more comedy.
P.S. Pastor Zuniga is my HERO! He has fought the good fight and won!
Words can not express the strong faith of this man. His intelligence is beyond any of those on the general board. This is obvious because they stole the Jesus Strategy from him!
Henry,
How's the Imperial valley case coming along?
Seeker,
I am oneness all the way. I believe I am one of the few that can explain the oneness the best. I say the seminary was semi-reformed because although they never come out and say their reformed, they hold to most of the five points of Calvinism.
Personally i think its funny that SOME PEOPLE are trying to DISCREDIT Pastor Zuniga
When Really They Should Try To DIscredit Those That Attended The Meeting With Him And Baffled On About NEPOTISM in the gB...
They Are The Ones THat Showed THE IGNORANCE WITHIN the AA.
they pretty much talked the Entire Time...
so once again ... why try to discredit those that ASK THE QUESTIONS...
WHEN YOU SHOULD DISCREDIT THOSE THAT ANSWER
SKOTTY
ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!
Comedy Hour
About Us:
The Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus is currently one of the fastest growing Hispican (Deez peeps ain't Hispican, thayyz dun Messican, any Mexican would have wrote Hispanic) Christian denominations in the world and the largest and oldest Spanish-speaking Oneness Pentecostal denomination in the United States. It has witnessed phenomenal growth in the U. S., experiencing 87% growth in membership from 1996 to 2002. (Interesting, under B.Rodriguez' reign right? Awesome job B.Rodriguez!) Today, it is comprised of over 700 churches in the U. S and 550 missionary churches in 20 countries including Central and South America and Europe . The estimated worldwide constituency numbers at least 130,000, including 5,500 ordained ministers and deacons. (I beg to differ Mr. AA, you have to subtract all those that have been removed and left willingly, seriously be truthful in something will ya?)
The Apostolic Assembly was incorporated as a California Corporation on March 15, 1930. (1930? And men in reign right now are diminishing that history correct? They can care less about the families since 1930) Since that date, the Apostolic Assembly has been a valid and viable religious non-profit Corporation, which has authority to enter into legal transactions, and is also currently registered as California Domestic Corporation in good standing. (It should say "up until 2006" NOT "since that date". Valid in what? I doubt good standing, someone ought to write to the bbb..we all ought to, since they treat it like a business, let's treat it like a business too.)
The Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus and its entities are governed by its Constitution,(lies lies lies, they mean governed by a corrupt general board) which contains its Statues and Bylaws, and in which the basis of our faith and unity are established. (which is why it's crumbling and falling apart) It exists to fulfill the following purposes:
To preach the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to practice the doctrine according to the Apostolic order for the regeneration and salvation of souls.
(This statement is just to make them look good, they really don't care)
To maintain spiritual fellowship among all members that form the Apostolic Assembly, and to promote growth and the expansion of the work of our Lord Jesus Christ in the United States of America and in other parts of the world. (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38; Ephesians 2:20).
(I can't stop laughing, they divided the church and they have this statement?)
To seek, by any possible means, mutual help and protection among all of its members in order to promote, to the highest degree, their spiritual, moral, and social lives to Christianity and brotherly love (Hebrews 13:1-2).
(Oh yes they care so much that they have tried to resolve the whole matter at hand, to the point of actually humbling themselves before the entire AAFCJ and apologizing to the world for even just the matter at hand. Of course not)
To select, train and ordain the necessary ministers and missionaries to establish and oversee churches that are formed in accordance with the Word of God.
(Finally they use a right word..SELECT..see they say it them selves, they select the ministry. and who said the general board doesn't tell the truth? tisk tisk)
Among its programs are the National Men’s, Women’s and Youth Auxiliary Departments; Christian Education Publications; a National Apostolic Bible College with 24 branches across the U. S.; the A. C. Nava Trust Fund that offers assistance to widows, orphans, retired pastors, and aids students with academic scholarships; two drug rehabilitation centers in California; and several recording studios and radio programs.
(So little programs, and radio programs? What radio programs? Sam himself doesn't even have one. Lies poor little lies. I would like to see the reports of who and how these programs have benefited the people and the actual statistics thereof.)
Sharing a good laugh is good for the soul
gp I hear that there were only a couple of people at the hearing which nicely stated you heard a story that is called hearsay. So how can we say you are a credibly source when you were probably not even there. From what people are saying about Pastor Arreola’s being in the hospital and Pastor Abel going to pray for him sounds like you are just trying to cause drama.
the transformation was not by me.
the visit by Pastor Abel, well we all need all the prayer we can get, especially after writing a letter to Pastor Arreola, that may have contributed to the stroke. Do you know that Midland & Odessa are only about 15-20 minutes away from each other, but yet, brothers from West Texas District made it here first(just saying)
and about the apology, I had misinterpreted what you wrote, that is why I apologized (i was in a hurry)
the congregation in Midland, majority did not know anything about what was going on. Only those that have been on the blogs and following the whole thing. Now, as a Pastor why would you keep everything from your members to begin with, if you are standing for what is right, right? The Midland church is a very mature congregation that was taught extremely well by Bishop V.T.-RIP. so knowing this, I think telling them about the lawsuit and not keeping any information from them would be the right thing to do. Especially your Ministerial Body.
the issues I have written about are only because they have been brought up by someone else outside of our District, and have been twisted over and over again. Or by someone that left the AA a long time ago.
And I am happy that Midland has their own thing going on, the congregation needs the healing. It was an very drastic blow to a congregation that had no idea what was going on, until recently.
did not want to make it a circus, i think Pastor Abel wrote his number of letters, on which a lot of bloggers read. The circus began in court! We took matters into our own hands, and forgot to let God handle things his own way.
the plaintiff's have been losing in the courts. go to apostolicinfo.com and read the court cases.
Another Lawsuit against the AA, Antonio Nava Charitable Foundation. Whats this about?\
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Case RCVRS096482 - GREGORY RUFF -V- VINCENT ALVAREZ, JR.
Action: (Choose)08/01/2008 - READINESS CALENDAR07/08/2008 - MOTION RE: FOR SUMMARY JUDGM...04/17/2008 - MOTION RE: SUMMARY JUDGEMENT...03/21/2008 - TRIAL SETTING CONFERENCE02/20/2008 - MOTION RE: CONTINUE TRIAL FI...02/20/2008 - MOTION RE: DEFS MTN FOR LEAV...02/07/2008 - MOTION RE: TO CONTINUE TRIAL...02/07/2008 - MOTION RE: FOR LEAVE TO FILE...02/06/2008 - EX PARTE HEARING RE: OST FOR...02/05/2008 - FILING FEE PAID BY VINCENT A...01/03/2008 - MOTION RE: TO SET ASIDE DEFA...11/15/2007 - FILING FEE PAID BY VINCENT A...11/15/2007 - MOTION RE: TO SET ASIDE DEFA...11/06/2007 - EX PARTE HEARING RE: VACATE ...10/26/2007 - TRIAL SETTING CONFERENCE09/25/2007 - MOTION RE: TO COMPEL PLTFS R...09/25/2007 - MOTION RE: COMPEL PLTFS RESP...07/20/2007 - CASE MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE05/18/2007 - CASE MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE03/16/2007 - OSC RE: DISMISSAL (SETTLED)02/02/2007 - CASE MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE07/13/2006 - COMPLAINT AND PARTY INFORMAT...
MOTION RE: FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT 000100 FILED BY 0013
07/08/2008 - 8:30 AM DEPT. R11
MARTIN A HILDRETH PRESIDING.
CLERK: SILVIA NAVARRO
COURT REPORTER DEENA MACIAS DEENA MACIAS
COURT ATTENDANT EDWARD ROBLES
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APPEARANCES:
ATTORNEY CHRISTINE H BACHMAN PRESENT FOR PLAINTIFF/PETITIONER.
ATTORNEY MICHAEL A BYRNE PRESENT FOR DEFENDANT/RESPONDENT.
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MOTION
VINCENT ALVAREZ JR, VINCENT ALVAREZ III, APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLYOF THE FAITHIN CHRIST'S MOTION TO DEMURRER IS HEARD.
PARTIES SUBMIT ON PLEADINGS.
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COURT FINDS:
VINCENT ALVAREZ JR, VINCENT ALVAREZ III, APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLYOF THE FAITHIN CHRIST'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT, IN ITS ENTIRETY, IS DENIED.
=== MINUTE ORDER END ===
2stressed 2spellcheck,
You even corrected your "best friend" called2proclaim. Your not being a good 'BFF'. I think your fem tendencies are showing. And now your turning a little softy on Seeker. smoochy! smoochy! Now kiss and make up. We know how you do it 2vote. Which by the way, SEEKER, you did a very good job putting 2wacked in his place........Seeker told you!! I agree with seeker 100%
2vote can't handle me. I make him mad because I am not as stressed out about the AA sisuation as he is. Calm down, bro. It's just a blogspot. Don't get your girl chons in a bunch. It's just a blog! It's just a blog! Not corp. America. Calm down bro, It's just a blog!
hahahahaha lololololol!!!! your a crack up! your like a little firecracker popping in everyone's arguements/posts. I love you too 2vote xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo!!!!!!!
2vote said,
ok...so...if your my 'BFF'(clap hands like a girl cheerleader)ignore factsonly1 and thinkfirst!!
ready...ok...let's...go!!
Sola de gloria,
How can i get a hold of you i would like to hear your view or explination on the oness.
break is over
Thinklast
Get over yourself, you sound like a fat kid missing his chocolate cake!
Mr. disgruntled, you're just mad because TwoVote has facts and you have frankly a big bowl of NOTHING.
Get back to your desk at the offices and act like you're actually doing something worthwhile.
P.S. You need new glasses, your head is getting to big. Mijo, please stop the hamburguesas por favor, por el amor de Dios.
P.S.S How are the Flor Azulitos treating you these days? I hear your club is growing, is your treehouse big enough for los chubbies?
You do not know if it did not go "well" for Pastor Torres at the court, no one does really. WHEN the judge renders a decision or should a trial by jury be held then we shall know. The only thing we know for sure right now is that the AA attorneys left Midland without changing the locks to the church - once more.
You really sound like a hater.
Interesting, thinkfirst and gq1973 both blog around 1:00 pm.
Lunch must be over for the general offices!
That was for GQ1973.
Just for your info gq1973, the reason I asked about your sources is this. What really happened between the AA (gb) and Abel Torres regarding the building was this!
The AA lawyer trying to be slick, took the case from state court to federal court, to try to get the upper hand. What was unexpected was that the federal judge DID NOT like or approved of the manuvering by the AA so he (the fed. judge) kept the restraining order until the appeal is complete.
As a matter of fact, the plaintiff were also told that because the AA went from state to federal court, NOW the plaintiffs that lost their churches have a possibility of getting the buildings back if the AA loses the appeal. HOW IS THAT FOR A CURB BALL?
camindo_voy said...
GQ
The point is that what the Midland church did is beat the gb to the punch! That's why there so bitter.
Who knows if in the end they do keep their church but at least they've won a few rounds.
August 18, 2008 11:40 AM
Wrong again, the Midland Church did not know, until recently, or at least that is what you guys are commenting.
Ok so I will stop making fun of you 2vote. I'm sorry I didn't mean to make you so mad that you want me out of your life for good. (Unless my post have value). I sort of feel bad for you. I kind of feel sorry for you now. Are you that hurt with what is going on? Man, I guess I should not have been so mean to you. Man, I guess you have deep deep wounds. Since your so harsh on those that are not for your opinion.You really come off strong! I should have been more thoughtful of your feelings. 2vote I hope you find peace in life. Sorry for making you sooo mad!
real:xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
Aw shut up thinkfirst, go fight with your little sister or something, this is for grownups!
Gq, if you are happy for the work being done, then why are you trying to discredit and tarnish the image of the man leading it?
If other people have brought up issues, let it be. But don’t contribute to the slandering.
Pastor Abel did not inform the congregation as a whole about what was going on because he was treating it with the seriousness that it deserved. He has been addressing it more recently but always with the seriousness, and respect that needs to be shown within the House of God.
I admire Pastor Torres for showing what a humble man of God he truly is in standing for the truth in a way that it needed to be done. Being in a lawsuit is not something to be ashamed of, unless you are the one being sued and you are the one in the wrong. Just because the courts did not rule on the plaintiff’s favor, it does not mean that they were wrong. Morally and spiritually, the General Board has been in the wrong. As I was writing this I was reminded of Jesus being brought before the rulers. They crucified him and let a true criminal free. Does this mean that Jesus was wrong? No, it means that the court ruled wrong.
Proverbs 19:2- It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.
I think patrick feels like fighting????!!! Patrick I think I am going to sit this one out. you can go ahead and fight with yourself, ok? I can already perdict what's going to happen:
I'm going to make you look really stupid then your going to try to make me look stupid. But it's not going to work (cause I realize that this is just an anonymous blog and the comments made toward me don't really have much effect)
Then your going to get all your BFF's to ignore me, so can we not do this? Not today anyway. Maybe tomorrow.
THANK YOU! Now go find your little sister.
?? SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ??
no speculations please.
Ok so we all know what happened to VP2 and Pastor Zunigas young daughter. I just have a few questions and this is no disrespect to anyone I am simply curious.
1 Were they related?
2 Were there any other passengers?
3 Were they hit or what actually happened?
Im just trying to figure out how all this came about and if there is such an age differnce why they were driving alone together? In my era "Assemblea Apostolico de la fe in Cristo Jesus" even if you were not "courting" u could not be alone with the opposite sex and as weird as this sounds this rule applied even to "cousins" and I know a few churches who still "PRACTICE" such customs. I will save you the math, Im in my mid/high 30's.
To camindo_voy,
I have a great idea girls!!!
Why don't you and Patrick fight?
hahahahaha!!lolol!! This is for grown ups???? I needed that laugh! This is for grown ups! No, I don't THINK SO! Grown ups talk face to face and find solutions to their problems.
Get it right Mr. this is for bashing and dirty laundry! Nothing else!
I'm not gonna fight with Patrick, he sounds pretty smart.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE LEAVING!
thinkfirst
I don't have to make you look stupid, you do that all by yourself.
I did however obviously make you feel stupid, you felt the need to respond to my post.
Wipe that chocolate cake off your face and get back to work son.
The members of the AA are paying for your waste of time on this blog!
Or is the general board actually paying you to sit and write in this blog? We know how the general board likes to waste money.
Ca-mando_voy,
I THOUGHT YOU WERE IN THE FIGHTING MOOD LIKE PATRICK. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT AND FIND SOMEONE FOR YOU TO FIGHT WITH! last time I try to help someone on this blog!
thinkfirst
I rebuke your fighting spirit, how dare someone in the offices have a fighting spirit!
You better go run to the general board RIGHT NOW and ask them for prayer!
P.S. You might wana take them some chocolate cake so they'll feel better too!
paaaaaatrick,
you CAN"T bro.I don't feel stupid. it's not going to happen. not on an ananymous blog anyway.
Are you name calling? Didn't you read camindo_voy post? she said this is for grown ups. So I don't want you name calling ok? only children do that.
Quote "Grown ups talk face to face and find solutions to their problems."
Lets talk face to face, I'll meet you at the headquarters!
This wednesday the 20th at 2:00 pm!
Lets be grown ups about it and come to a solution.
patrick,
that was funny! that rebuke worked!you made me laugh. only that chocolate cake thing isn't funny now. the first time it was but now it's not. See, we need more people on here like you. Mean but funny!lololol!!!
Okay, I'll come referee!
Thank you Camindo Voy
So Thinkfirst what do you say?
Go ahead and chismiando to the rest of the general offices about our meeting. Please rsvp!
Patrick,
You are funny. Ok let's meet. but how is 1:oo. that's when we have our lunch break here @HQ.
Is it ok if I bring 2vote for backup? I heard he has a bulldozer.
Proverbs19 said...
Gq, if you are happy for the work being done, then why are you trying to discredit and tarnish the image of the man leading it?
Just do me one FAVOR, since you know your Pastor really well, ask him if he wrote a letter to the GB on the issue of the Bishop re-election, and also on the letter he sent Pastor Arreola before he had the stroke.
after he answers you, post your answer, since it will have been directly from Pastor Abel Torres.
is that a fair thing to ask?
i am not trying, I think people do that on their own.
thinkfirst said...
I think patrick feels like fighting????!!! Patrick I think I am going to sit this one out. you can go ahead and fight with yourself, ok?
Stinkfirst is just playing around. He figures Patrick is fighting himself, because Stinkfirst is playing with himself
Ignore STINKY! just like we will do with the current DGB - ignore them when they want to collect an offering.
out for the day, will read tomorrow
gq1973
Are you not asking something unfair of Proverbs19 to do?
That is pretty one sided don't you think?
Let's make it truly fair gq1973, why don't you get an actual response from one of the general board members while he gets his from Pastor Torres and then go from there?
However, when I say an actual response, I'm taking about a personal letter from ONE of general board members! Seems to me they can never stand out on their own, they always have to have co-signers for all their acts!
To fedup,
Ha! Broooother! And you pray to the Lord with that mouth? Playing with myself??? You do mean like checkers or something, right?
Patrick, I think what your asking from both of this individuals is fair enough. And may the good man win!
This is a copy of an email sent directly to Paul not the apostle.
Dear Paul not the Apostle, I read your message and it was important to address some points that you brought up in order that there may be a clear understanding of some facts:
1. I am glad I got caught, it reminds me of the prostitute that was caught in the act of sin and the religious people back then wasted no time to try stoning to her too death but Christ said, "he that has not sinned cast the first stone", the crowd dispersed, Then Christ told her "Go and sin no more". So for the last 32 years that is what I have be striving to do everyday just like everyone else. I do thank God for restoration because without him I would be nothing. As the result God has used me to reach hundreds of people that have experienced setbacks in their lives and many of these same people go on to live productive and fruitful lives serving God. It's appears that in your opinon you would support seeing people like me go to the world only to be destroyed, in fact I have attended many funerals that included PK kids that have died and it is questionable to this day whether they asked God for forgiveness or not. The path they chose only brought heartache and pain to them. But the other question that should be asked, "Did anyone try reaching out to them or did we make it harder for them to serve God?"
2. I could be mistaken, but I do not believe that I referenced anywhere in my letter that I had left the assembly, if not or if so, then I state the following, I just recently left the assembly about 3 years ago so not certain why you stated that I had to leave.
3. My father did not leave Riverside to go up north as you state because of what occurred in fact he moved up North around seven years after and only on the request of the Assembly to pastor the church in Salinas to help in some healing issues there. And again, it was evident that God's hand was on my father and the church in Salinas which has been blessed up to now.
As for your other points, it makes no sense at all to attempt to respond, but only that you have incorrect facts. The only response that I will give is in regards to whether people forgot or not, well the fact that it was out in the open is only proof that thousands of people were aware that something had occurred so that addresses your implication that it was a secret, secondly, discipline was applied and life went on is proof that a person can get back on their feet and continue to serve God.
Since you brought up something that is not apparently not a secret then what does this have to do with what occurred? you are not comparing 'apples to apples'. You will notice by my letter to the Pastors and Bishops that I did not implicate any one individual I only stated that in just a short time a few men were obviously undermining what had taken many years for others to plant.
Just because an individual leaves the assembly does not mean that they despise or hate the assembly in many cases it just means that they moved on. It is a dangerous thing, including to myself to harbor hate against anyone since this could be the reason why an individual does not make it to heaven. It is too heavy of a price to pay to harbor hate, anger or unforgiveness.
You then may ask, well why don't we forgive in this case? the answer is simple, this is not a matter of forgiveness this is a matter of appealing that the wrongs are made right. I agree with others that what has occurred so far has brought much pain and division in the church, and to resort to the legal system was an extreme stretch but it was one that some thought necessary since their biblical efforts were in vain. So the question I ask you, if this election was ordained of God then why has their been so much pain and division?
Furthermore, I agree and understand that this same thing has occurred in the past, but not at the magnitude that occurred in 2006. In addition, the 2006 elections along with anything else that is decided in the future will now fall under scrutiny since we now have technology that was not available in the past. I am sure you are aware that this type of behavior has been going on for many years but finally people are standing up and saying enough is enough. I'm sure you know of many that are no longer going to church and it could be on how they were treated or perhaps they finally got fed up with this type of behavior in the church body. Many will have to answer to God for chasing these people away from his Kingdom.
I am still trying to understand your logic or reasoning of pointing out people's past, if this is the case then by your standards there will not be a church and no one in heaven since 'all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God'. There are two types of people 1. when their sin(s) shortcoming is not dealt with and 2. when one has walked through restoration.
To conclude, the church body does not really practice restoration, they preach it but there is rarely proof that it is practiced. There are thousands of people that are out of a church body that really would like to go somewhere to regain their relationship back with God. They are good people but people with a lot of pain and hurts. Will you reach out to them?
We can discuss further if you like by responding to this email then I would be more than happy to give you my cell number so that we can talk on the phone.
If you were a friend then I welcome you as a friend and if I have never met you then I again welcome you as a friend.
Nathaniel Ramirez
?? SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ??
no speculations please.
Ok so we all know what happened to VP2 and Pastor Zunigas young daughter. I just have a few questions and this is no disrespect to anyone I am simply curious.
1 Were they related?
2 Were there any other passengers?
3 Were they hit or what actually happened?
Im just trying to figure out how all this came about and if there is such an age differnce why they were driving alone together? In my era "Assemblea Apostolico de la fe in Cristo Jesus" even if you were not "courting" u could not be alone with the opposite sex and as weird as this sounds this rule applied even to "cousins" and I know a few churches who still "PRACTICE" such customs. I will save you the math, Im in my mid/high 30's.
Nathaniel,
Well spoken. I salute you.
It was good to hear from a sound voice of experience.
Hope you & family are doing well
Nathaniel:
where are you serving in ministry now???
God Bless you with his Favor...
Concerned said...
?? SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ??
no speculations please.
Ok so we all know what happened to VP2 and Pastor Zunigas young daughter. I just have a few questions and this is no disrespect to anyone I am simply curious.
1 Were they related?
2 Were there any other passengers?
3 Were they hit or what actually happened?
Im just trying to figure out how all this came about and if there is such an age differnce why they were driving alone together? In my era "Assemblea Apostolico de la fe in Cristo Jesus" even if you were not "courting" u could not be alone with the opposite sex and as weird as this sounds this rule applied even to "cousins" and I know a few churches who still "PRACTICE" such customs. I will save you the math, Im in my mid/high 30's.
CAN SOMEONE ANY ONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS????
Concerned said...
?? SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ??
no speculations please.
Not sure why you're so concerned about this.
Ask Seeker, maybe they found answers already. Court documents are public record.
Buddy ol pal thinkfirst, you still haven't left?
Your lil buddy gq1973 couldn't handle it so he left...either that or he ran to the emergency board meeting...
As your pastor always preaches thinkfirst..."perilous times people perilous times"...hah!
2vote said,
Not sure why you're so concerned about this.
concerned... is asking because she does not know all the facts. And wants detials. She's just asking.
We are all curious as to what really happen. But since there are no actual facts on this blog we can only assume.
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