Thursday, July 31, 2008

Revolutionaries for Justice




So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?

Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.

Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.

You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.

I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".

Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.

You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.

Back to the Revolutionaries...

If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.

I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.

Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire


ps.
For our revolutionaries....

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SLJ said...

Lets us know what happened to the pervert!

Unknown said...

Jesse:

This just off the wire.....


The trial started today. Because there are SEVERAL WITNESSES to TESTIFY, the trial may last up to 3weeks.

Please keep the witnesses, victims and families in your prayers.

SLJ said...

Most likely he will end up sector elder.
Behavior like this gets rewarded by the DGB.
A friend and coworker of my wife had an AA Pastor doing her lawn, while at he told her that he wanted her and showed her sexual positions on the lawn. We had no choice but to report it to the sector elder, who came and interviewed her and said he could only report to the higher ups. Well I guess its was ok with Ex Bishop Gaxiola and QC member for the 2006 elections, because his still A AA Pastor.

Unknown said...

thanks Henry.

Barrientos WAS a sector elder for many years, he was the main man here in that forgotten part of the world!!!

SLJ said...

I guess that makes him a shoe in for membership on Dishonorable General Board.

Unknown said...

To The Truth For Once

Thank You for nominating our very 1st recipient of our “Tyrant of the Week Award”
If you know of any well deserving pastors or leaders who has gone above and beyond the call of duty in destroying the lives of the church members …please feel free to post

From: the Truth for Once
We Present to You:

Pastor Juan Barron and his wife Becky. And pastor Jose Silva
Warning: Stay clear of these people

Just let us know the church name and city if you can and some details

SLJ said...

Ex-Pastors of the Dos Palos Apostolic church.
Next week it will be the Bozo we have now.

SLJ said...

Hey not all things have been bad, Joe Avila was ill. His greatest desire in the world was to be a Pastor. Before Joe Avila Passed away the Lord granted him that one desire. We were the lucky church that was chosen. Pastor Joe Avila never looked at the negitive side of things. If it was negitive he would find the postive thing about it and work with it. The impact he left will never be forgotten. With his last dying breath on a hosital bed he left us with his raised hands praising God and and asking God to always bless his church.(US)

called2proclaim said...

What does the present and future hold for all 8 GB member???

SLJ said...

Its all up to them...its in their hands.....repent and ask forgiveness or keep the same course and die!

called2proclaim said...

The Truth For Once:



I am with u on that...

My concern is that their hearts have already hardned...

SLJ said...

What hearts?

called2proclaim said...

Hearts of STONE.

Unknown said...

I found the court docs on aa.info:

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
Plaintiff
vs.
ARMANDO FIERRO BARRIENTOS

porq said...

WARNIG:

From off the AA Website- Gaylord TX

Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008
9:00am - 12:00pm Ministers & Wives Session
"In the last days, Perilous Times shall Come"
*State of the Apostolic Assembly

END

middleoftheroad said...

Después de haber estado en el retiro de Dorcas este fin de semana, me vine totalmente confundido al ver a Victor Prado, a quien le están sugiriendo que deje su puesto en la Mesa Directiva, muy tranquilo y lleno de felicidad. De ninguna manera va dejar la MD después de haber recibido el trato tan excelente de parte de las Dorcas después que él las apacentó.

En vez de estar apacentando sus ovejas en San Fernando donde pastorea, aquí estuvo de pata larga entreteniendo a las Dorcas.

También, en vez de estar vigilando a su hijo que no este manejando el auto, anda cuidando de otros en vez de cuidar su casa.

Allí estaban colectando como siempre, Sra. Valverde pidiendo dinero para ‘un proyecto’ (el caso de la corte).

Nos dijeron que no estaba entrando bastante dinero—que habían menguado las entradas de la Flor Azul. Hay que trabajar mas fuerte, (mas tamales, mas talento, hermanas) hay que hacer mas dinero.

También le sacaron cantidades de dinero directamente a las Dorcas. Algunas hermanas, muy emocionadas, dieron hasta mil dólares. Otras dieron de $500, $200, por el estilo.

Grande fue la decepción de Raquel Valverde, Georgina Marrón, y Santa León y demás oficiales de las Dorcas, que NO asistieron la cantidad de Dorcas que usualmente atienden estos eventos.

Muchas que no fueron, me dijeron que ya basta: la Asamblea en la corte, en una división, en una revolución--echando pastores fuera, haciendo gran fraude y robos.

….Y ellas danzando, gozando mientras que tantos en la Asamblea están sufriendo.

Esto esta como Nerón tocando el violín mientras que Roma ardía.

Al que no le ha costado nada, poco le importa.

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Is it me.. or shouldn't

"From off the AA Website- Gaylord TX

Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008
9:00am - 12:00pm Ministers & Wives Session
"In the last days, Perilous Times shall Come"
*State of the Apostolic Assembly"

be the first thing on the agenda... to frame all discussions to follow???

i mean.. isnt the point of the convention to frame where the AA is going in the coming year? Then why give the update AFTER the meetings??? lol

haha, these people are a joke, absolutely no business protocal in their small minded bodies.. lol

that said, its porbbaly so only the 3 remaining hermanos not packing or checking out, are still around.. if i recal check-out is at 11.. LOL... hah athey dont want any1 there to hear what they have to say... well that, and to probbaly condemn all those who opposed them during the previous couple of days...

skotty, get ready to be burned in effigy.. LOL

if u ask me.. and i am not promoting this....

mass protest should take place on Tuesday, December 2

2:00 PM - 3:30 PM General Board Recognition Banquet

these twisted individuals are still seekng recognition??
for what, starting a civil war, for losing multiple congregations??

what is there to recognize!!???

accion said...

Armando Barrientos and Mariano Quiroz.

AA this is it,alleged sexual predators as pastors and district leaders.
When this corruption of the GB is going to end?

porq said...

Repost, Excuse me...

WARNING:

From off the Apostolic Assembly website- Gaylord, TX Ministerial Conf

Wednesday Dec. 3, 2008
9:00-12:00pm Ministers and Wives Session
"In the Last Days, Perilous Times shall Come"
("State of the Apostolic Assembly" Address")

END

WOW, ain't that a scary thought and a self-fulfilling damning prophecy!
I just wonder who will be the MOST Honorable GB member that will speak
?

Then the END SHALL COME for the AA!

Unknown said...

Convention?

Great. Wooopie. Another how to "Make a turkey sermon by
the Pride of La Puente Bible School. Old Malverde himself....

porq said...

Now let's guess, Who do you all say- will be the GREAT ORATOR for their "State of the Apostolic Assembly" Address??

Dial 4742 for- 2Vote Edgy Boy

Dial 4743 for- Ol' Danny Boy

Dial 4744 for- Ol' Verde Boy

Results will be announced on 9/11/08

. said...

ALL YOU R4J ARE A BIG JOKE!WE LAUGH AT YOU ALL THE TIME!THE PASTORS AND MINISTRY ARE COWARDS AND ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT TAKE ORDERS!SO YOU HAVE 200+ PEOPLE ON YOUR (NING)BIG DEAL!THATS WHY THEY'RE POSTING WITH FAKE NAMES AND THEY WONT CHANGE THEM EVEN IF JEN KEEPS NAGING!ALL YOU ARE A JOKE!KEEP POSTING LOSERS!YOUR ALL TALK!AT THE END IT WILL BE JUST "REBELDES"WHO LEFT OR GOT THE BOOT!AND KEEP PICKING NAMES FOR YOUR (ORGANIZATION)OF 6 CHURCHES!UNITED APOSTOLIC CHURCH IS ALREADY TAKEN AND THE REST OF YOUR NAMES ARE LAME.YOUR NING IS JUST A WANNA-BE "MY SPACE".
HERE'S ONE FOR YOU HANK!
YOU KNOW YOUR EXCOMMUNICATED WHEN YOU JOIN THE (NING)!LOL!
CHISMOSOS!

. said...

ALL YOU R4J ARE A BIG JOKE!WE LAUGH AT YOU ALL THE TIME!THE PASTORS AND MINISTRY ARE COWARDS AND ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT TAKE ORDERS!SO YOU HAVE 200+ PEOPLE ON YOUR (NING)BIG DEAL!THATS WHY THEY'RE POSTING WITH FAKE NAMES AND THEY WONT CHANGE THEM EVEN IF JEN KEEPS NAGING!ALL YOU ARE A JOKE!KEEP POSTING LOSERS!YOUR ALL TALK!AT THE END IT WILL BE JUST "REBELDES"WHO LEFT OR GOT THE BOOT!AND KEEP PICKING NAMES FOR YOUR (ORGANIZATION)OF 6 CHURCHES!UNITED APOSTOLIC CHURCH IS ALREADY TAKEN AND THE REST OF YOUR NAMES ARE LAME.YOUR NING IS JUST A WANNA-BE "MY SPACE".
HERE'S ONE FOR YOU HANK!
YOU KNOW YOUR EXCOMMUNICATED WHEN YOU JOIN THE (NING)!LOL!
CHISMOSOS!

twovote said...

ONECHURCHONLY said...
ALL YOU R4J ARE A BIG JOKE!


The 'Joker' lives.

It looks like 'factsonly1' is back.

GQ1973 said...

thats the problem with all that are posting, if its not going well for the plaintiffs then its not God's will or God's justice, do yourselfs a favor and try, even though it will be hard for all of us, try to picture the GODLY plan. The BIG PICTURE. And I could care less if the GB is corrupt or not, lets just say God is Dealing with the corruption HIS own way!!!

twovote said...

GQ1973 said...
thats the problem with all that are posting . . . lets just say God is Dealing with the corruption HIS own way!!!

Here's a scary thought - maybe God is using US to clean house! hmmmmm

GQ1973 said...

twovote said...
Here's a scary thought - maybe God is using US to clean house! hmmmmm

that is exactly what I am feeling, don't know where you are from, for those of you posting from CALI, well you know the latest and greatest corruption from that side of the world, as for us in Northwest Texas District, well we know the corruption on this side of the world, so don't get fed by a onesided comment on go with it, if you know anyone else from there, not biast to one side, then speak to them. Just like over there we have brown-nosers that will try to get in good with the bishop to have a better standing in the District. I wonder why their churches are just a handful, o yeah, they are to busy kissing up and not praying or working diligently in the work of the Lord (evangelizing, fasting, uniting in prayer, studying the WORD of GOD...)

I have friends in West Texas District(we used to be West Texas District until it was split to accomodate Brother Abel as bishop) they also comment on how they also have kiss-up Pastors or corrupted Pastors, blah, blah, blah...

"If you think the grass is greener on the other side of the street, that does not mean it is easier to cut!"

GQ1973 said...

oops sorry for the mispellings... i'm sure you see them. Check out this blog i've done.

http://veedios.blogspot.com/

GQ1973 said...

one more comment, spoke with Pastor Arreola about some of the comments against him, as for those that know him, yall know that he still does his typing on a typewriter having a computer in his office

(ok what used to be his office)(there was a lot of water damage after the fire, which provided the answer to his prayer

"had been asking the Lord how am I supposed to finish the new sanctuary if we are fixing to run out of money here pretty soon- we still need to finish major electrical, outside covering(sutcco or whatever we are going to have money for)carpet, baptismal, new sound system, new video equipment, new instruments, wires" lets just say he was very detailed in his prayer to the Lord.

Well GOD is GOOD, and we will have enough money to reconstruct the area that burned plus enough to finish the new sanctuary. By the way, the 1st Odessa Church does not borrow from banks, we build as we have money. So, even though some think it's bad for Pastor Arreola, IT'S ACTUALLY THE 'BIG PICTURE' that has to be seen.

Pastor Arreola said that if they are men of God, tell them to come say those type of comments to my face and I can prove or disprove whatever they want. I have been Secretary for both Districts since the firt time Brother Abel became bishop. I know a lot of things... he told me to post his phone number, but I will not, I really would love to see those posting show up at my church to confront.
if you do, I will record you, unless you don't want to hear the truth.

lehan said...

To GQ1973
Blah blah blah blah and more blah! Dumb ..ss!

lehan said...

To ONECHURCHONLY,

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL! They're BACK!!!! Boy I needed a good laugh! Things were starting to get boring here. What a DUMB ..SS!

Rambo said...

Sounds like someone is on the bandwagon for Bro. Arreola. I wonder what brought all that up all of a sudden. Sounds like a political campaign even!

Rambo said...

GQ1973

You sound really really bitter. You've got a lot of hate there. Lighten up buddy. Practice some of what you're "preaching".

sola dei gloria said...

As many of you have already realized, The Apostolic Assembly is in shambles. The doctrine of “Truth” that they have been bragging about 75 years is collapsing. Augustine said, “they that claim to have the truth and then live iniquitously, live in error”. For many of you, the Apostolic Assembly is “club”. You know the places (Convention, Camp, Church) but you don’t know the person (Christ). (John 18:2). Your mad, not because of doctrinal injustices, but because the foundations of your club have been shaken.

Wake up Apostolicos. It’s not about your beloved Assembly. It’s about the Glory of God (Sola Dei Gloria).

Seven-T said...

Greetings in Jesus' Love to all.

I don't know about anybody else but I'm still trying to figure out what's up with GQ1973?

We are very happy for Pastor Arreola and it's wonderful that the church will be able to be completed. God bless Bro. Arreola.

We also love Pastor Abel Torres.

They each have their ministry and there is no need to be bashing each other. Blessings to the Odessa and Midland churches and may they both prosper in honor of God's kingdom.

Unknown said...

To gq1973
Thank for you for sharing with us you point of view,
First, If the honorable Pastor Arreola is innocent of any of this gossip, then what does he have to worry about? Also, just because your pastor still chooses to use a typewriter and to do his own electrical work in the church himself, with all due respect but that’s not necessarily a sign of how spiritually strong he is. Besides, shouldn’t he also be praying the GOD may touch his district and national leaders into perhaps making a significant financial contribution towards the project, it also sounds like you live in a small town, and since you don’t borrow from banks, in this economic downturn, who will put up the money to finish this project???? I wonder……. You see the problem we have with our leadership? This is looking at the BIG PICTURE that why this blog exists.
I’m NOT saying he has anything to hide, do not misunderstand me.
But you wouldn’t believe how many pastors and leaders, that you would hear them preach wonderfully, at conventions, district and local services, camps etc. and later you would find out, about the pastor being seen cruising and picking up you know what kind of people, or how about on former Sunday school teacher wonderful teacher but later you find out he was sleeping with one (that we know of ) jovenes girl, are you aware of the Barrientos Case??
Last but not least, “if we are men of GOD we should tell these things to his face” when all the pastors confess publicly to the congregations face and ask for apologies than we that blog I’m sure would reveal who we are, some already have and I salute you for that.
In the meantime if you are a tyrant, sick demented, power and money hungry individual portraying yourself as a pastor live in fear because your info will show up in this blog.

Unknown said...

WELL SAID Sola DEI GLORIA
and JESSE.
PS: any takers on translating the Zuniga meeting?

Rambo said...

I think GQ is talking about insurance money obtained from the fire damage to their church. Now they have enough to repair the damage and finish it. Good for them! They're DEBT FREE!

On the other hand I don't know what he's talking about regarding Torres vs. Arreola. I'm from the area and have never heard about any bad blood between them. Also Arreola and the elder Torres were great friends. I think GQ's just bitter about something. OR GQ IS A GB MEMBER IS DISGUISE!

Anonymous said...

www.revolutionaries4justice.ning.com

Come join and fellowship in peace! Now over 200 members! Join to discuss current affairs and support our Pastors, whether they are in or out of the AA!

In this network you can create your own profile and chat with friends or get to know more of the brethern!

Post pictures, music, church events, activities, etc...

Get in touch, Stay involved!

GQ1973 said...

jesse said...
To gq1973
Thank for you for sharing with us you point of view,
First, If the honorable Pastor Arreola is innocent of any of this gossip, then what does he have to worry about? Also, just because your pastor still chooses to use a typewriter and to do his own electrical work in the church himself, with all due respect but that’s not necessarily a sign of how spiritually strong he is. Besides, shouldn’t he also be praying the GOD may touch his district and national leaders into perhaps making a significant financial contribution towards the project

He is not worried, if you have something to say, "que sea enfrente de dos o tres testigos", and about the typewriter, man, he is not blogging or into blogs or internet or word processor- that's what I meant. the getting up at 6am to pray for the district and our local churches, to be obedient during other bishops terms, to have established the Mexico missions in the USA along with Bro Rafael and then the Mexican Apostolic backing out of the terms to hand over the missions into the hands of the AA because of the $$, and voicing the violation to the National Board because those were the terms the Mexican missions began with; so he resign as Pastor in Mexico and joined the AA as minister to Bro Juanito of 1st El Paso, in the 1980's. then joined to help Former Bishop Esteban Avila in Northeast El Paso.

Pastor Arreola, has been there to back Pastor Abel Torres throuhg thick and thin, I had no idea of the bad blood, just of the letter from Bishop Torres to the GB about recommendations for new bishop, and about the other letter to Pastor Arreola, that as his wife puts it, got him very, very sad(had watery eyes)... then he had the stroke. I am trying to convince him to give me the letter, but says its only poison, that's not him.

So if your concern is that I am defending his good name, then by all means keep it coming.

What project are you talking about????? and why do you need money if you have a God that gold, silver and all fine jewels belong to. Pray and of course HE will provide. who knows maybe you'll find a treasure and all your troubles will be over cause you will give it all up, right??

GQ1973 said...

CBG said...
To ONECHURCHONLY,

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL! They're BACK!!!! Boy I needed a good laugh! Things were starting to get boring here. What a DUMB ..SS!

August 13, 2008 7:59 AM


Rambo said...
Sounds like someone is on the bandwagon for Bro. Arreola. I wonder what brought all that up all of a sudden. Sounds like a political campaign even!

August 13, 2008 8:09 AM


Rambo said...
GQ1973

You sound really really bitter. You've got a lot of hate there. Lighten up buddy. Practice some of what you're "preaching".

August 13, 2008 8:11 AM


CBG: your language says it all!

to Rambo: "Sounds like someone is on the bandwagon for Bro. Arreola"

Bandwagon, i thought that was why all the picketing at meetings and elections was for, to join someone's bandwagon.

And "sounds like a political campaign-elections are over in case you did not know, or did not show up to jump and the bandwagon to support Bishop Abel Torres.

Not bitter, never will be. Jesus loves this I know for the Bible tells me so... u know the rest..lol

I am, whatever you do in the dark shall be brought forth to light..

I am just trying to shed light on some stuff that seems to be a onesided blog..by the same writer with different profiles.

Unknown said...

What is this?

GQ1973 said...

and yes, we love Brother Abel Torres and his family, including Aby (lol) that's a joke, don't twist it. and we hope all these issues get resolved quickly, wether in the AA or not. the BIG PICTURE, maybe to expose the corruption at the top, who knows, only God does.

Unknown said...

I think GQ1973 is Omar Arreola...Is that you Omar??? You jokester...LOL

Unknown said...

Bro. Omar,
Why do you have to take a shot at Bro. Abel's Family...

GQ1973 said...
and yes, we love Brother Abel Torres and his family, including Aby (lol) that's a joke, don't twist it


Thats wrong Bro...Thats totally wrong...

Unknown said...

To GQ1973

I think that GQ is from Odessa whether Bro Omar or not I dont know but definetly a proponet of Odessa and the Northwest texas district...

I saw your other blog why did you mention that Midland did not go to Camp?

Im glad I left that district when I did...

Unknown said...

I am taking GQ1973's silence as confirmation in what I stated before...

Your writing style gave you away bro...You know who I am also, I use to be from your District back in the late 90's...

Well dont hate each other so much either...

Unknown said...

Hello?

Unknown said...

This is my first actually my secong post...

But I have a question, Why so much basing on each other? Why do you despise each other so much?

I have been reveiwing the blogs and apostolicassembly.info and none of us are acting like Christians...

Im not going to say where I am from but I will say that I am from the Northwest Texas District...

Im thinking about going to another church cause nobody seems to have Jesus in their heart...

Love Never Fails said...

GQ,
I was looking at your blog the one you said you created why did you take a shot at the Midland Church for not being at the Varones Camp?

Why should they go if they are not part of the Assembly anymore?

They shouldnt participate so what does it matter?

Unknown said...

Wow! GQ disappeared I guess it was who we thought it was...Amazing how people run when their deeds are exposed...

LL said...

Henry,

what's going on with the Barriestos case?

called2proclaim said...

MIDDLEOFTHEROAD:

EN DONDE FUE EL CAMPAMENTO DE DORCAS? CUALES DIAS ? CUALES DIAS ESTUVO VICTOR PRADO??

LL said...

called2pro

it just ended .But, I was told vp wife was "missing in action"

Less than 500 attendees. Not many leaders attended.

called2proclaim said...

LL:
wHERE WAS THIS EVENT HELD?
THE DAYS?
HOW LONG WAS VP THEIR FOR?

THANK U

LL said...

called2pro

I know it was in Cali. He preached to the spanish speaking dorcas .

It was last week. Don't know how long he was there.

called2proclaim said...

LL:
THANK U. FOR THE INFO.
BE BLESSED..

Unknown said...

Jesse:

Re: Barrientos

Court still in session. Trial still on. I really won't know anything until the JURY gives the Verdict.

Carlos said...

onechurchonly...

I haven't posted on here in a long time but wow...

To think that we are so much on your mind that you have to join our site and make a fake profile just to see how we are doing...

it makes me wonder who the REAL loser is.

Get a life and get Jesus.

tonedeaf said...

The Dorcas Event was held August 7-9, @ the Hyatt Regency in Santa Clara, CA. It's on their web site.

called2proclaim said...

tonedeaf:


GREAT!

THANK ALOT. PEACE...

Unknown said...

thanks Henry

I don't know if this church in El Centro,CA is cursed or something
because the previous longtime pastor was also removed due in part to one of his sons being accused of molesting a young girl eventually he(the son) was deported back to mex.

SLJ said...

Quote:
"Al que no le ha costado nada, poco le importa."

How true. It has cost the DGB nothing, that is why its so easy to destroy it.

Just like our Pastor the souls here have not cost him, so its very easy to tell them to leave.

SLJ said...

where is Mariano Quiroz Pastoring ?

Little Eddie said...

Hey middle of the road what was Secretary of the doras Linda Montes doing?

Stuffing her face?

factsonly1 said...

THIS JUST IN:
Bishop Art Tafoya turned in his church today to the AA, following the example of Pastor Zuniga.

i will have More info as it rolls out...

called2proclaim said...

undercover_pastor said...
THIS JUST IN:
Bishop Art Tafoya turned in his church today to the AA, following the example of Pastor Zuniga.

i will have More info as it rolls out...


IS THIS TRUE CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM..

accion said...

yes its true.

middleoftheroad said...

Yo fui a tomar mis vacaciones en Santa Clara, CA en el Hyatt Regency Hotel porque a eso en realidad todos fuimos.

Pero este evento fue tan irresponsable y sin consideración en no tomar en cuenta que en este tiempo la Asamblea esta por ser derrotada por Sánchez y su fiel compañero Valverde.

No se hizo ni se solicito una oración de parte de la directiva hacia este asunto tan cruel que esta pasando la Asamblea.

Valverde heredó su carácter y arrogancia de su compadre y tío, Efraín Valverde, Dios lo tenga en paz, que también fue un guerrero déspota. Valverde es un guerrero que piensa solo en si mismo, no le importa quien pague mientras que siga entrando el dinero.

Estas Dorcas que dicen ser líderes fueron nombradas por Sánchez y Valverde. Se puede ver que las hermanas Dorcas también fueron defraudadas en las elecciones en Long Beach en el 2006.

Este evento fue mal planeado porque muchas de las Dorcas tienen niños que comienzan clases de escuela ya y hay muchos gastos para ello. Estas no pudieron llegar. También en menos de tres meses es la convención en Texas.

Como han tenido a Georgina, Santa, Francisca y las demás lideres restringidas de atender a las convenciones districtales, estas se dieron vuelo en las vacaciones en Santa Clara.

La Sra. Contreras de Valverde y la Sra. Cecia Mesa de Aguilar son guarda espaldas una para la otra como lo son sus maridos.

Algunas hermanas hablaron que antes daban dinero en estas conferencias con gusto, pensando que este iba para el trabajo del Señor. Se afanaban tanto en trabajar por la Flor Azul en talentos y comidas y ventas porque este dinero iba para los misioneros.

Ya se dieron cuenta que no es para la obra, pero para aquellos que están el la MD que nunca le es bastante el dinero que entra.

También dicen que hay hermanas que dan dinero a las que están a cargo de la conferencia para que les permitan un tiempo para hablar o comentar en los servicios. Estos comentarios en verdad no tienen calidad, pero les dan el dinero a las líderes para que les permitan hablar en estos eventos.

Me dijeron que una de las Dorcas que siempre esta allí, ha dado grandes cantidades de dinero en efectivo y en regalos a Raquel Valverde solo para que la presente frente la audiencia.

Otra vez utilizan aqui en California para estas conferencias cuando tantas mujeres tienen que viajar desde el este o medio este y de todas las esquinas del país. No consideran que los gastos de tan lejos sean grandes, deben de hacer algo en un lugar que sea más fácil para todas llegar.

Esto, hermanos, es la razón que estamos en esta situación. Toleramos y aun le concedimos este comportamiento a cualquiera que se dice ser líder. YA BASTA!!

Las lideres de las Dorcas están informadas—acondicionadas por la MD que TIENEN que recoger dinero a como de lugar.

Ya no mas!!!

Ya es tiempo para líderes nuevas en este grupo tan importante de la iglesia.

Las Dorcas merecen un liderazgo que verdaderamente tenga el bienestar de las mujeres de la iglesia en su mente y corazón, y que NO PUEDAN ser manipuladas por la MD.

Se están dando cuenta las hermanas que solo las están usando para quitarle más plata. Es mejor que ellas cuiden de sus hogares y familias y las vidas espirituales de ellos, y que no este achicadas trabajo en esclavitud para es sostén lujoso de la MD.

Ya debemos parar el abuso y este despilfarro de dinero que se usa solo para las vidas personales de la MD y sus familias.

Me fue de bastante beneficio estar en esta ‘conferencia’ en Santa Clara. Hable con bastantes mujeres que ya ven la realidad de lo que esta pasando en nuestra Asamblea, y entre la directiva de las Dorcas Nacional--la explotación, el abuso, y la falta de amor cristiano y el temor a Dios.

called2proclaim said...

esto es triste...
la verdad va a llegar atodo oyedo..
quine de la Mesa GB estaba present?


TODO VA SALIR A LA LUZ......

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twovote said...

Anyone going to the Missions Banquet?

Sam is taking it to a national level:
ONE WORLD ONE MISSION =Covenant Form

Contributor is a:
1. Church 2. Business 3. Individual
Offering Amount:
Gold $10,000.00 or more
Silver $5,000.00
Bronze $2,500.00
Names of persons attending banquet (Maximum 2)

called2proclaim said...

The Mission is to pay off sammy mansions and big collaso... gigantic...Iglesia..

This is all about money....
Where is the impotantance or our main focus...Is it Money? Is it Buildings? The Lord wants us to help those that r in need feed the hungry help the poor preach it in the streets....Its not about going to church on Sun its about being the church everyday..
Everyday should be a Sunday....

GQ1973 said...

my break time was over, and did not have any more time to blog/chat
..way off to left field.

I do know Omar, that's where the pictures of camp came from.

I did not take a shot at the Torres Family- the joke is that Abel Jr., well we should not call him Aby, he's a grown man that tries very hard to be like Jesus. Which is a great thing.

and I do have a life other than the internet, thank you very much.

I responded to the sister on the blog and I mentioned that I mentioned the brothers from Midland, because Midland varones are the ones that began the camps locally, and would invite all the other churches. Varones had never had a District camp before, just local ones.

We did miss them!

GQ1973 said...

I am from Northwest Texas District, lets just say I am from Middessa, Abilene, San Angelo, Lubbock, Ozona, McCamey, Iraan, Kermit, Lamesa, Andrews, Big Lake, Pecos, Monahans, Brownfield, Littlefield, Plainview.

And you won't be the only one that thinks I am Omar, even Gerardo Grado(aka: Tomcat) thinks that. We do talk almost the same, blunt.

by the way Juan, don't remember you, but why did you leave our beloved District:

Juan said...
To GQ1973

Im glad I left that district when I did...

August 13, 2008 1:11 PM

where are you from now? and please give me a little hint to see if I remember you. What were you known for here in our District?

GQ1973 said...

did you leave the District or the organization(man-made by the way)?

I do have a question, why do the R4J have such a small following right now?(I think one comments said about 200 strong?? get some of your people to do some PR work, and not everyone knows what is going on)

Even Amador Valenzuela had a larger following and he was by himself.

GQ1973 said...

ok people my break is over don't speculate anymore by me being silent. I have a job. I will check back later on, just to see who else I become...LOL but JUAN I really don't remember you(what's your last name-maybe it will trigger a memory or something)

GQ1973 said...

i have been meaning to say something about the videos posted: makes me sick to my stomach, that Bishop Baldemar Rodriguez and his congregation had to be subjected to this kind of behavior. That was totally uncalled for. And for further occurences, pretend to turn it off, but keep it rolling(its ok if I have to tilt my monitor-lol) So now that it will probably happen to ExBishop Abel, keep it rolling Midland, I would love to see how they handle this one. Watch out, we live in Texas, and we got some brothers that still believe in guns for protection(lol-joke)

Unknown said...

Art Tafoya has NO cajones! I guess he just couldnt face ridicule. If HONORABLE Pastor Zuniga never took that first step Tafoya woulda still been stuck up some @sses aka the GB in some knock-off designer suites. He's just as guilty as the rest of them. They are all hypocrites. I guess he figures he can redeem some integrity by trying to miorr a "TRUE MAN OF GOD" Man what will his family do without the AA "petty cash"? I guess his daughter wont be able to have all that skin tucked away (post bypass) Maybe her and VP2 can start collecting cans to support their lifestyles.

fedupwithdeceit said...

Concerned said...
Art Tafoya has NO cajones!

I guess he figures he can redeem some integrity by trying to mirror a "TRUE MAN OF GOD"


Sanchez is still holding Art's manhood. If this is true (Art resigned) it's because Sanchez is starting to squeeze what he's holding in his hand.

Remember Art was being audited. Hemay have resigned, before they kicked him out.

OR

Remember he's a flip/flop. Maybe he cut a deal with the DGB - he resigns (instead of arrest/disciple based on audit results) and joins the honorable group - as a mole for the DGB.

Would you trust him?

BUT . . . give him credit for at least asking challenging questions at the beginning.

Skotty, would you - or anyone else - please repost the link for the missing letters?

Blogmaster, maybe you can include that link at the blog home page. TIA

thinkfirst said...

to juan,

GQ1973 is a girl. can't you see it in her 5 posts that go on and on and on and on. Nothing wrong with that. But woman just seem to go on and on and on.

WatchOut! said...

Come on, let's give A. Tafoya some slack. I'm sure he and his wife are suffering enough already. I mean the gb has already turned their back on them, let's not do the same.

What's truly interesting and sad in this is that it CONFIRMS ONCE MORE the evilness of the gb. If everyone will recall the gb assured Bro. Tafoya a while back that if he retracted all would be forgiven and he could continue in his church. He did this and as we all know he even removed his letters and sent his letter of apology. To no avail.

This is exactly what they have tried to do with everyone on their list so far. They want to humiliate them and make them grovel and then grind them into the dirt. They tried it with Bro. Solomon but it appears he saw through them. They promised him that they would not change the locks to his church and that was a total lie!

I think that the GB is doing themselves more and more damage with all the deceipt and corruption they are proving to be capable of. They are angry because their evil ways have been brought to light and they are on a rampage! It does not seem to enter in their minds or hearts to seek God's guidance. What a sad state of affairs to think that our Assembly is in the hands of these heartless, evil and conniving individuals.

May God have mercy on them and us

thinkfirst said...

to calledtoproclaim,

finally some positive mention. I do agree with you on your last post "everyday should be Sunday....."

To all bloggers.

This AA has a lot of issues and glad to see a hand full being brought to light on this blog. In reality the one's mentioned on this blog are just the hand full.
How are you going to conquer all on such a small scale????

good luck!

before you start getting all stressed out(!!!!!!!!)I realize this blog has had an effect on a few situations. thank God! In fact I know that First hand(wink)

Apostolic_insider said...

To thinkfirst if it's not a girl maybe just an "Ole" cowboy in Texas named "Roy Rogers." I thought that person had left us to go tend to the cattle, mooo! mooo! Oh well, on another note do you have any updates on the Barrientos case? Have they determined a verdict yet? If not, can anyone please fill us in?

Unknown said...

Tafoya retracted his statement and sent his heartfelt apology (after he realized he wasnt gonna get a higher position or more petty cash as a result) hence my initial statement : Tafoya has no cajones!
He is by no means any comparison to Zuniga or even Solomon. Im sure his "audit" is playing a big role. I've witnessed how he rolls and seen the destruction he has caused others.
As far as him and his wife going through enough, I suggest you ask the churches under his dictatorship of his kindness - I've heard some CRZY stories so he's just as evil as the gb. He just crossed the wrong people. They all SMELL if you ask me

Unknown said...

RE: Rev. Armando Fierro Barrientos


The case is still proceeding. Because there are several people testifying, the case won't have a verdict for roughly two more weeks.

thinkfirst said...

To all bloggers,

In the news today:

Swedish Wrestler Ara Abrahamian throws down medal.Abrahamian took the bronze from around his neck during the medal ceromony, stepped down from the podium and dropped it in the middle of the wrestling mat then walked off. (D. Hamilton Internet news)

I don't care about this medal. I wanted gold." He said

This will be the last match. I wanted to take gold. So I consider this Olympics a failure" he said.

Reminds me of all the pastors and ministers that are dropping thier medal and giving up and calling the AA Organization a failure. Or the "men" running it. I strongly disagree with the way the GB "men" are running it. But, giving up and walking away is not the answer.

mb said...

Kudos to Art Tafoya!!! It's all falling apart for the dgb. Who will be courageous enough to leave next?

thinkfirst said...

to mb,

courageous??

I don't think so.

Unknown said...

thinkfirst:

Separation was a good move for the United States.

USA Baby!!

Taxation without representation. In this case, the GB represents The Kings and Queens of England.

Well, you know the rest of the story

mb said...

Thank God for brave men of God that are willing to stand up against the corruption. Thank God for COURAGEOUS men who say that enough is enough. Possessions, titles, church buildings will not hold them hostage.

Unknown said...

MB,
u got a lot of learning to do kid.
u have no idea how ironic your statment is. they're doing it to THEMSELVES. One by one, they will eventually take each other out.

WatchOut! said...

Okay, so I guess you know more about the Tafoya's than I do.

I just want to say that I for one am terribly sad for all the hurt that has been wrought upon our church. All the horrible things that are coming to light are damaging more and more people whether they are true or not. When will all this stop? We are all human and tend to make mistakes, but if we learn from them and ask God's forgiveness and move forward and try not to commit those same mistakes again and again and give our brother a helping hand when he stumbles and falls I think that would be better that kicking him when he is already down. Our mentality should not be "he got me, so I'm getting him back". Someone has to be the better person and hold his tongue and yes, pray that God HELPS US ALL!

I for one am praying that whatever happens to our church building it can all finally come to an end and we can pick up the pieces and move forward for God's glory. I assure you that none of the Plaintiffs have ever wanted to leave our beloved Assembly, all they ever wanted was a change for the better. It didn't work because our general board members wouldn't listen, and now they're being punished and kicked out. God bless all who are left behind to deal with the troubles abounding in the Assembly we've loved so much, where our roots are, where our friends remain, where we worked so hard . . .

called2proclaim said...

THE PROBLEM HERE IS CORPORATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS, THAT HAVE MEST UP WHAT gOD CREATED TO BE HOLY...

yOU NEVER SEE IN SCRIPTURE jESUS cHRIST INCORPORATING A NON PROFIT ORG. YOU NEVER SEE HIM WAISTING HIS TIME ON MONEY THIS MONEY THAT..

THE MAJORITY OF THE MINISTRY OF JESUS WAS OUT SIDE BUILDINGS TEMPLES THAT WERE MAN MADE..
YOU SEE HIM ON THE MAOUNTAIN PREACHING TO MULTITUDES, YOU SEE HIM ON THE SIDE OF THE LAKE ..MAKING FISHERS OF MEN..YOU SEE HIM WALKING TYHE STREETS HEALING AND RESTORING LIVES........

thinkfirst said...

Walking away?
Giving up?
Throwing down the medal?
Yay, I guess you could say brave.
yay, It takes guts to walk away from something you've known all your life.

Saying enough is enough?

Yay, I guess you could also say courageous.

Just as long as you didn't call them great men of God. I don't consider someone who walks away and gives up "Great men of God"

thinkfirst said...

Walking away?
Giving up?
Throwing down the medal?
Yay, I guess you could say brave.
yay, It takes guts to walk away from something you've known all your life.

Saying enough is enough?

Yay, I guess you could also say courageous.

Just as long as you didn't call them great men of God. I don't consider someone who walks away and gives up "Great men of God"

called2proclaim said...

THE PROBLEM HERE IS CORPORATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS, THAT HAVE MEST UP WHAT gOD CREATED TO BE HOLY...

yOU NEVER SEE IN SCRIPTURE jESUS cHRIST INCORPORATING A NON PROFIT ORG. YOU NEVER SEE HIM WAISTING HIS TIME ON MONEY THIS MONEY THAT..

THE MAJORITY OF THE MINISTRY OF JESUS WAS OUT SIDE BUILDINGS TEMPLES THAT WERE MAN MADE..
YOU SEE HIM ON THE MAOUNTAIN PREACHING TO MULTITUDES, YOU SEE HIM ON THE SIDE OF THE LAKE ..MAKING FISHERS OF MEN..YOU SEE HIM WALKING TYHE STREETS HEALING AND RESTORING LIVES........

called2proclaim said...

THE PROBLEM HERE IS CORPORATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS, THAT HAVE MEST UP WHAT gOD CREATED TO BE HOLY...

yOU NEVER SEE IN SCRIPTURE jESUS cHRIST INCORPORATING A NON PROFIT ORG. YOU NEVER SEE HIM WAISTING HIS TIME ON MONEY THIS MONEY THAT..

THE MAJORITY OF THE MINISTRY OF JESUS WAS OUT SIDE BUILDINGS TEMPLES THAT WERE MAN MADE..
YOU SEE HIM ON THE MAOUNTAIN PREACHING TO MULTITUDES, YOU SEE HIM ON THE SIDE OF THE LAKE ..MAKING FISHERS OF MEN..YOU SEE HIM WALKING TYHE STREETS HEALING AND RESTORING LIVES........

Unknown said...

We should follow General Powell's Strategy in Gulf War I.

""""Our strategy to go after the Army is very, very simple. First we are going to cut it off, and then we're going to kill it.""""

General Colin L. Powell, USA
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
news conference
January 23, 1991

Unknown said...

Armando Fierro Barrientos man of God?

Edward Pacheco man of God?

Victor Prado man of God?

Are you serious?

What man of God fondles a teenage girl?

What man of God steals from the congregation?

What man of God causes the death of an innocent teenager?

WatchOut! said...

Get it right. It was either leave or be thrown out (they changed the locks to the churches!). They didn't quit, they had no choice.

thinkfirst said...

concerned said,

Doing it to themselves.

who are you talking about?
The guys taking themselves out?
or the GB?

Well they both are but I wanted to see who you are referring to in your last post.

thinkfirst said...

I do have it striaght!!

I'm not talking about the sick perverts that are spread through out this AA (and every where else in this sick world).

And of course not the one's who were taken out!

I'm talking about the one's that are taking themselves out.

thinkfirst said...

correct me if I'm wrong,

But these men BR,DS And the 2 others that sued. They were not thrown out. They had the opprotunity to be a regular member right?

So they didn't want the silver medal, they wanted to keep the gold?

mb said...

I guess you are right, think first and why didn't I think first before writing: it does take more courage to stay where you are comfortable. It does take more courage to go with the current. It does take more courage to stay quiet while your coworkers are lynched.

Kudos to Zuniga, Tafoya and whoever's next!

Unknown said...

asamblea apostolica de la fe en el diablo??? funny!! No se les va ninguna!!!

dear abby:
I'm having second thoughts about attending the l.a. balones camp, should I continue supporting these type of activities specially since V.Prado and Valverde are schedule to show up??

thanks for your response.
Concerned from L.A.

Unknown said...

also, why are people still Capitalizing the general board initials?? GB or DGB?? i don't even they deserve this...

called2proclaim said...

Asamblea Apostolica de la fe en el Diablo, Inc.


who wants to be a part of this???

thinkfirst said...

To mb,

hummm....co-workers? So your one-sided?

Lynched means executed without due process of law, especially to hang by a mob.

Y'all need to get it right!
Executed=They are still alive aren't they?
Due process of law= they were all aware of the costitution, right? They knew what was coming!

Hang by a mob= well......sort of. but not literally!

WatchOut! said...

Regular Members!? If Pastors don't have any say so whatsoever and THEIR VOTES DON'T COUNT just what do you think a little old "regular member" can do?

thinkfirst said...

to mb,

My point exactly! I do think first, that is what I'm also going to challenge you to do!

whose comfortable?
Who's going with the current?
Who's quiet?

Sounds like your old and have been in this aa (re;jesse small caps) org. for a long time. And have gotten comfortable and ran with the current (coworkers) for many years and have kept quiet. Don't try to bash me for what you have done for many years.
don't worry calm down.This Generation is not going to follow in your footsteps.

thinkfirst said...

"regular members" could do a lot.
A "regular memeber" could have sat back (wwJd), humbled themselves,crossed their arms as a "regular member" and smiled with humility as the gb crumbled to the ground in a million peices.

You can't touch God's annointed. If they were truely God's annointed. Don't you think they would have had the better outcome?

mb said...

Doesn't think,
this is my last post to you. You obviously assume so many things. Really - assuming that I am old and am not from your generation is funny. I would have to argue that your arguments are "old" and you would like for everyone to continue to do what they have been doing for generations - just going along with the board.

called2proclaim said...

thinkfirst:

Im with u.....People in the aa that were thier for years dont want to face reality.. the reality is THEY WERE CHEATED..and they will continue to be cheated..if they dont (the member) do somthing about it

mb said...

Excuse me if am wrong, but we are all supposed to be "co-workers." (en la vina del senor and all that) Other than that, I'm honored to be a "regular" member that is sick of the dishonorable actions of the men on top.

twovote said...

Stinkfirst said...
to mb,

My point exactly! I do stink, that is what I'm also going to challenge you to do!
Lynched means executed without due process of law, especially to hang by a mob.


No trial, hmmmm seems like . . . w/o due process AND . . . they were 'hung' out by the MOB (men of board)

So, the more you blog the more you show - you STINKfirst.

Your time is running out . . .


"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam

thinkfirst said...

mb,

so i did challenge you to think. and that is what made you not want to post to me any more. the truth hurts. you just said you weren't old. but the fact of the matter is I was right about you running with the current for many years. are you mad because you realized that by being on this blog? lol! or have you always felt this way and kept quiet? lol!

you wouldn't be the first to say they didn't want to post to me anymore! just like you apostolics. can't take the heat so you run out of the kitchen.PEACE!

mb said...

I'm with you, two-vote!

thinkfirst said...

too vote too stressed,

the more you blog the more you show your too stressed about the aa problems. i'm assuming you are not old, and you are fed up , and you have a big mouth. that's is why you have to be on this blog because nobody at church will listen to you.

thinkfirst said...

mg said. i'm with you, 2vote!

your kidding, right?

I don't usually call ppl names but that was childish. Dork!

I'm wif you, har dy har ahr!

you got mg's 2 votes!

WatchOut! said...

How about the gb crosses their arms and smiles in humility and keeps the Assembly intact.

mb said...

Help me out someone? What is stinky first talking about???? Stinky said: you just said you weren't old. but the fact of the matter is I was right about you running with the current for many years. are you mad because you realized that by being on this blog? lol! or have you always felt this way and kept quiet? lol!

so by not supporting the evil actions of those on top I am "running with the current"? Oh, I must not be thinking first.

twovote said...

thinkfirst said...
i'm assuming you are not old, and you are fed up , and you have a big mouth. that's is why you have to be on this blog because nobody at church will listen to you.

Okay, for a moment, I'll use words you can understand, ready?

I know you are, but what am I

Now that I have that out of my system, You're the one ranting, trying to get anyone to listen to you. Yes you do challenge us. It is challenging to read through your poor grammar and frequently misspelled words. Worse yet, when we finally do, you provide nothing substantial. Most of the time I just skip over your messages.

One last thing, it would be proper for you to use the word assme when you are assuming

thinkfirst said...

to 2vote 2stressed,

Trial? It was presented to the law/court and the judge threw it out.
aww...that made you mad, didn't it!
Go ahead and admit it. It's ok nobody knows who you are on this blog.I can see more and more why you are so stressed. Don't deny it big guy!! Jesus is watching you. :)

thinkfirst said...

to 2vote 2 stressed,

is that all you got? frequently misspelled words and poor grammar?

your just as weak as the rest of them! you can't hang!

humm.... you skip over my post?
aren't all your comments directed toward me.

thinkfirst said...

to mb,

let me help you out, bro.

You don't want to admit your old 40ish, right?

you don't want to admit you have ran with the gb or their evil ways,right?

mb said,

"it does take more courage to stay quiet while your coworkers are lynched"

coworkers? means you have worked along side some of these men, right?

you don't want to admit you were just like them at one point, right?

now your mad and think your big and bad because your on this blog!
You must be related to 2vote 2stressed!

Lynched? Your coworkers were NOT lynched! They made a choice to walk out.

twovote said...

thinkfirst said...

is that all you got?

No, I have much more, but why use a bulldozer to squash a gnat?

Please, get off of this blog and go to SCHOOL! I'm sure you are here so we can take you to school, but you need special attention:

now your mad

'your mad' what? or do you mean to say 'now you are mad' try "you're"

That is your basic lesson for today.

Lynched? Your coworkers were NOT lynched! They made a choice to walk out.

Lynched means executed without due process of law, especially to hang by a mob.


You were the one who defined what it means to be 'lynched'. The only choice they made is to stand up to corruption.

LL said...

think1st, 2vote,mb

I'm enjoying your argument .

I'am drinking a strawberry smoothie as a read.

called2proclaim said...

APOSTOLIC INFO

read read

http://apostolicassembly.info/Apostolic%20Parents%20BEWARE!!!.pdf

thinkfirst said...

2vote 2stressed,

I aaaam maaaaaking you maaaaaaaad!
You read all my post!
You don't skip over them!

I think I made you mad because I don't agree with you. Or I take that back. I do agree that the gb is corrupt. I just want to make you mad.

thinkfirst said...

to ll,

I'm having fun making 2vote 2stressed mad.

Are you mad, 2vote? your mad!!!!lol!!!!

thinkfirst said...

to ll,

watch out 2vote might attack you and check your grammar!

"I'am drinkiing a strawberry smoothie as a read"

watch out he might attack you and say you should have said 'as I read' lol!

LL said...

re: think1st

ladies, gentlemen and the one's around the middle

we have a Profe !

thinkfirst said...

to ll,
lol!

LL said...

thinks1st

PAZ de Cristo!

Unknown said...

Pass me that straberry smoothie, ke no?

jose said...

"Reconnecting the 21st Century Church with the Lord's Mission."
Join Pastors Daniel and Rita Salomon in Denver, for this life- and ministry-changing event!
Are you ready to become part of a remnant of pastors in America who love God, live clean, and stand tall?

Pastors everywhere are wondering what is needed to stop the flood of ministerial failure in our nation. We hear daily of pastors from all denominations who have destroyed the trust of their congregations when their hidden sins are exposed. This undermines the perception of Americans toward the many good and godly pastors still serving in our nation.

On September 24-25 we hope you will join us with pastors and leaders from around the nation at a special two-day meeting in Denver.
In this conference, many great pastors will be ministering on the vital subject of ministerial integrity, taking us through issues in our lives that we may need to strengthen, and training us in how to minister to the many issues facing pastors. This conference has the potential to totally change your life and ministry, so we encourage you to make every effort to attend.

LL said...

Henry,

estas muy lejos!

LL said...

jose, who are the speakers?

LL said...

jose, never mind.

thinkfirst said...

2spellcheck/2vote

What happen man??? Are you greasing your bulldozer?
I know your searching this blogspot for misspelled grammar use. That's all you got?!!

I'm not a gnat you are!
whew! glad I got that out of my system. lol!!!

WatchOut! said...

jose

I think the congregations who are staying loyal to God and their pastors are also ready for a Convention! LETS PLAN ONE ALREADY!

jcrebel said...

when I prayed for direction at the 06 convention. I did but, the board messed it up.ref: 1 world 1 mission. GB don't ask us to vote for direction

im4reform said...

To jose...
"Reconnecting the 21st Century Church with the Lord's Mission."
When and where is this event taking place, please give more details.

Little Eddie said...

Concerning the womens' retreat in Santa Clara:

I thought a retreat was for the hermanos to escape the everyday hassels of the world. Like kids, jobs, spouses. etc.

Now I read that Mrs. Malverde was there raising funds.

Is there nothing that the dgb won't do for buck.

God forbid that the money dries out. Rachel might have to go get a job like most of those ladies at the conference.

Wow no shame left.
wonder whats next for fund raisers.

Jamie doing lap dances.
what a bunch of spineless losers

polloloco said...

hey everyone, is it true that bro. phil saenz and juan campos are also leaving the assembly?? heard some rumors somewhere in Southern CA.

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Seeker said...

"More importantly, as a result of your actions as a General Board member, a young girl tragically lost her life. The vehicle paid for by the membership of the Apostolic Assembly was placed in the hands of your uncontrollable son. Consequently this young man, who had apparently learned to disregard the law from his father, drove the vehicle in an unsafe manner. . .Because the vehicle was in the Apostolic Assembly’s name, even greater care should have been taken . . .Now, because of YOUR actions a Father will not see his daughter become an adult.”



This is False and the statements are not true. One person’s mistake is not another’s mistake. We are all individuals and before God we will all stand on our own and be responsible for our own actions and not of others. Logically and biblically the statement above is erroneous.

Secondly, The vehicle was under VP’s name not the AA’s. Which also means VP Jr. was making payments on his own and not using the Assembly’s funds.
The letter distorts the truth and only brings out partial truth and manipulates other parts of truth. The facts should be set straight on this story and it is sad that the letter was brought out for all to see . . . a twisted truth.

What ever happened to VP Jr. and the life of the young girl does not disqualifies VP as being part of the General board and should not resign of his position as a result of this incident. LET IT BE KNOWN this does not mean I agree with the ACTIONS of the GB. The elections and qualification of VP has nothing to do with his son’s Tragic Accident. KEEP DISTORTIONS OUT OF THIS. THAT IS IF YOU ARE FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

polloloco said...

FOOD FOR THOUGHT EVERYONE: "YOU KNOW YOU ARE AN APOSTOLIC IF DURING THE SANTA CENA YOU WERE GIVEN LITTLE PIECES OF PAN BIMBO AND GRAPE SODA"

SLJ said...

Then why was the AA sued?

I'm just asking.

If it had in no way nothing to do with the AA

Seeker said...

Have you read the document that was posted on the info site? I do not see a document indicating that the AA is being sued for this tragic accident. Well nothing in the court documents that have been posted lately.

Skotty Will Show You said...

So ... Um ... idk THE reason for this...

but Why Aren't the Zuniga Videos On This Blog???

Are You MAD AT R4J...APOSTOLIC VOICE???

SKOTTY

Unknown said...

''''Secondly, The vehicle was under VP’s name...''''


Thats all you need in California.
Why did VP lease a car and let.his Un-licensed son drive it?

Costly bad bad decision.

1 life.

Three million dollars.

fedupwithdeceit said...

Seeker said...

This is False and the statements are not true. One person’s mistake is not another’s mistake.

So, if Victor Prado was not appointed to the General Board in 2006, would he have the wherewithal to supply his unlicensed son with a vehicle? And, if Victor Prado had used good judgment and said 'No' to his whiney son, would he have found another car to drive? Would anyone else have been foolish enough to let 'Second' drive?
One person's mistake (VP2) is the mistake of his father. Victor Prado violated the law and allowed VP2 to do the same. BOTH are guilty and both have blood on their hands.

Logically and biblically the statement above is erroneous.
You must be referring to your own statement. If you gave a loaded gun to an unstable suicidal individual, wouldn’t you be responsible for the consequences of your actions?

What ever happened to VP Jr. and the life of the young girl does not disqualifies VP . . .
If this doesn't do it, then What does disqualify someone? how many people need to die? If Victor Prado would have followed the law and stopped his son from driving, the young girl might be alive today.

KEEP DISTORTIONS OUT OF THIS. THAT IS IF YOU ARE FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE.
Truth - Victor Prado put a 'loaded gun' in the hands of his unstable son
Justice - Justice would be harsh. In a biblical sense it would require an eye for an eye. No amount of justice would bring this young girl back. It's not about justice, it's about doing what is right.

called2proclaim said...

fedupwithdeceipt:

you would think that VP2 learned a lesson but no bacause he continujes to drive his daddys car.. THIS IS TRUE..Ask the congragation in San Fernando CA they all have seen him..

I see no remorse In the actions of VP and AP2....INOCENT BLOOD IS ON THEIR HANDS...........

Unknown said...

wikipedia:

Internal Conflicts
On Friday November 24, 2006 in Long Beach, California General Board Elections were held. Since then, a group of Bishops and pastors, within the Apostolic Assembly, have stated that the Qualifying Board committed numerous violations; therefore, the results of said election are thought to be invalid.

A request sent by a bishop in the form of a letter petitioning the present Honorable General Board of the Apostolic Assembly to establish a Commission of Honor and Justice (Article 39 of the Constitution of the Apostolic Assembly) to investigate these allegations was refused. The bishop who wrote the request was advised since there was no wrongdoing; there was no need for an investigation. Immediately thereafter, the Honorable General Board called a Joint Episcopal Meeting to announce that everything was under control.

Due to the allegations of election irregularities, a lawsuit was filed by a group of Bishops and pastors, within the Apostolic Assembly, with the Superior Court of the State of California. The Superior Court determined that the Apostolic Assembly was within their rights to make these decisions. The Apostolic Assembly has been accused of mismanagement of funds, keeping the leadership positions within "the family" and handing contracts to family and friends without proper bids. As a result of this conflict, at least one church in Denver, pastored by a plaintiff in the aforementioned trial, was seized by the Apostolic Assembly on July 30th, 2008 with the accompaniment of police

called2proclaim said...

THE TRUTH IS BEING HEARD ROUD THE WORLD>>>>>

middleoftheroad said...

Little eddie:

Thank you for caring about the welfare of the Dorcas, the mothers of the Assembly.

Apparently, we don't care that the Dorcas Board and General Board are exploiting us and taking all the money that belongs to our families.

Even if the Dorcas Board decided to make the retreat in a more equitable place for all, it remains here in California where all the Dorcas board live.

I understand that a letter is out the all the Pastors that more money has to be collected in the churches for the Flor Azul because the amounts are down. It doesn't matter that the money doesn't go to MISSONS, but who cares?

Also, the churches have to give more money to cover the lawsuit.

Dorcas, lets get on the ball. Get your aprons whipped out. You need to make more tamales, more talento and more sales.

The General Board NEEDS YOU.....

called2proclaim said...

I feel bad for the DORKS i mean dorkas....They are constantly being manipulated..They shouldtake care of their husbands prepare tamales for them, maybe that way we can stop having DORKAS coming to church single bacaouse their husband is unsaved..I WONDER WHY?
Maybe its because they are to busy in the Church Kitchen...

Hernandez said...

I finally had to sign in here to comment because I have tried of see many of you speak of things you have no understanding of. Many of these "Heros" you have so highly admired here are not the men you think they are. Today I will choose one to comment on. You all have spoken so highy of R. David Zuniga saying that we should follow his example. I will never follow this man. Many of you have no idea of his past. First of all, are u aware that he entered into this country with false documentation? Are you aware that in his past while a young man he was "dumped" by a number of his girlfriend because he was carnal and all he wanted was sexual pleasures? Are you aware that his Sister-in-law S. had to run out of his house becuase she was awaken from her sleep with him in her room fondling her and the security guard of the complex had to bring her back? Are you aware that he has been accussed of secretly watching his Sister-in-law while in the shower? Are you aware that has been accused of lued acts performed in the presence of minors? Are you ware that he has been accused of watching porn? Are you aware that his wife is aware of all this and had turn her eye on her own sisters? Yes the truth hurts!
Are you aware that left MTB and didn't settle any of his accounts? Are you aware that he waited to collect all rents from his own members and the renters before he left even though he knew the monies did not belong to him? (He stole!) If he loved this AA and that is the reason why he left, then why did he sue and get financial gain from the organization he loved?
It looks like he secretly had that meeting recored; WHat kind of honesty is that in a man you say is to be setting the examples? Are you aware that he has used CHURCH MONEY to finance businesses which is illegal? Prior to gaining the funds collected becuase of his daughters death, he lived in a million dollar home!!!! This he does by collecting rents from his members, mis-using church rundraising, and using an enormous amount of money that exceded the guidlines of a non-profit organization. He made his members wash and iron his clothes with no compensation. Is he a slave master? He lives in a million dollar home, (Prior to lawsuit) and who pays for this? the poor common people who he collects money from weekly!!!! To afford this he has to pay close to $7000 montly that he take from th church PLUS car allowance, salary, expense, insurance, travel and somuch more. He must be collecting over $15,000 a month from the poor people of his church. AND you want us to follow HIM? Not Me! All this information is common knowledge by those around him.
And have you seen the examples of his children? If you are looking for a revolution...one that takes us back to the orginal and the way things SHOULD BE... WHere is the holy living that God wants in the family of those that lead the flock? No Thank you - I will choose to follow CHRIST and those who follow Him Closely. Not one who is in loe with money.

called2proclaim said...

Hernandez:

I understand ur hurt and anger...after all THE Apostolic Assembly In The Faith In The Devil, Inc. has robbed you...we understand what ur going through.......YOU NEED DELIVERANCE.............IN THHHHEEEE NNAAAAAAAAMMMEEE OF JEEEEEESSSSSSSUUUUUSSSSSSS!!!!

accion said...

Wow Hernandez you really like Pastor Zuniga.For a moment I thought you were writing about Sam or Eddie.Are you willing to go to court and proved all your allegations?.
Now I understand why he made the video of his departure.
If all what you say is truth that shows even more the dishonesty of the GB, why they allowed pastors with such testimony.
In reality you are a phony and I believed you work for the GB.

. said...

Hernandez,
Did you see him touching his sis-in-law?
Did you see him doing lew acts on minors?
Did you pay him rent?
Do you see his bank statements?

Because your accusations hold no water, unless you can prove it, its just "Plain talk about the man of God".
You see many people talk about preachers thats not new, if you can prove this we would love to see facts. But if you can't we cannot take your comments as true, you could just be some gb kid who's mad because your "kingdoms coming down".
So do your self a favor and hold your peace! Thats if you can't prove it.

ps With a name like hernandez I wonder how many of your relitives came here legally? Get the "CACA" out of your eye, before you get it out of someone else!

. said...

After reading what "Hernandez" wrote about Pastor Zuniga I was reminded of a couple of years ago.
I was an Assit. pastor and I was full-time so yes I was on pay-role, the thing was my wife could not wear something new without someone saying she was spending the tithes on herself. If my son wore something new it was the samething....
And you know what, it was the non-tithing people who always made those statements!
My wife worked full-time, I worked full-time apart from church.
Can I tell you, the main person talking about my wife got offended because she was asked to not do her selling at our church! She would buy fake Gucci perses at the auction for 5 bucks each (we know this for a fact) and sell them to sisters at church for $50!!!!Her husband back-slid because he owed alot of people money. Another person who talked about my wife and I her husband wanted to be the Assit.pastor, but ask him to knock on a door on his day off and he would tell you a tow truck wont get him off his couch! Long story short he back slid and his wife said I kicked him out. I could go on, but hey I really just wanted to say we love the people of the Apostolic Assemblies (I'm UPC) we hope all turns out well. My friend is a pastor with you guys and told me about this blog.

"all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are called according to his purpose"(Rom 8:28)

ps Don't believe everything you hear about a man of God, just like that other brother said "just plain talk about the man of God"
It's a good book.

Seeker said...

Fedupwithdeceipt and Van,


This story is truly tragic, but my point is that it has nothing to do with the elections to which this blog or the info site is dedicated to. VP Jr is of age and made his own decision. You keep indicating VP let VP Jr. drive, If you are of age you will be responsible for your actions as the court Documents state, the charges were filed on VP Jr. not VP Sr.

What ever the case is, It has nothing to do with the elections they are unrelated, although both incidents are truly tragic.

Unknown said...

Whats illegal is the double fees charged by the AA real estate department. How
can I get documents posted on that info site?

Apostolic_insider said...

WOW!! What a great fictional story regarding Pastor Zuniga. Have you every considered writing books? You almost had me believing it! lol

fedupwithdeceit said...

Mecha said...
Whats illegal is the double fees charged by the AA real estate department. How
can I get documents posted on that info site?


from the website www.apostolicassembly.info:
You may address any thoughts or concerns to letters@apostolicassembly.info

LL said...

Rudy, where is Phil Saenz pastoring?

Van, about the 3 million . You should know by now that it's probably less because by the time news is spread they add more numbers to the amount.


Hernandez,he (Zuniga) entered illegally? ( that's funny) that would be him and HALF of the assembly!!

Do you know who was our first missionary? (Sepulvera) Mexico send him to the US!!!
Do you see pastors calling the migra? when they find out that t/members come into this country illegally.(no,no,no) The aa would be the 1st to be breaking the law!!
Everyone ask your parents where your great grand parents came from & you will find out that they are from MX.

you, also said

Are you aware that in his past while a young man he was "dumped" by a number of his girlfriend....

well, the church I grew up in had young men who were marrying young ladies (doncellas) & they had I child already. They weren't notifying the pastor until after they were married!

I also know a pastor who was engaged three times & dumped them all!! He is now married .

called2proclaim & van

vp should not resigned for allowing his son to drive ....
This could happen to ANY OF US!!
who are parents but, I think he should resign because of the so called Elections!!!!

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called2proclaim said...
I feel bad for the DORKS i mean dorkas....They are constantly being manipulated..They shouldtake care of their husbands prepare tamales for them, maybe that way we can stop having DORKAS coming to church single bacaouse their husband is unsaved..I WONDER WHY?
Maybe its because they are to busy in the Church Kitchen...

August 15, 2008 12:43 AM


that is such an idiotic statement. read your bible, this world is under the power of darkness. that is why the bible states that we are the light of the world; let your light shine..

there is about a 13% (i think) chance that if a youth gives his life to the Lord, the rest of his/her family will be saved

there is about a 33% (i think) chance that if a woman gives her life to the Lord, that the rest of her family will be saved

here is the kicker: there is a 97% chance that if a man gives his life to the Lord, that the rest of the family will be saved!!!

The devil knows this and will try to control the men even with a tougher grip.

So your comment, was indeed without weight.

sola dei gloria said...

1 Timothy 3:12

Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

GQ1973 said...

wait a minute, you mean to tell me that the Hna. Romanita Valenzuela had nothing to do with taking the gospel to her family in Mexico, for the first time, then emerging the Iglesia Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus??

or was that another "the greatest story ever told"

Unknown said...

lol he watched porn? santo aroz!you mean there are apostolics that watch porn? rotfl! not like porn is a gozillion dollar industry. if aguilars could find a way to exploit porn, trust me, they'd be selling jaime-lo gone wild videos instead of tzechunga blast power drinks. lol

fedupwithdeceit said...

Mecha said...
. . . they'd be selling jaime-lo gone wild videos . . .

Who would buy it? People would be 'scared straight'!

Unknown said...

jaime-lo is hot. i'd buy one or two of those videos. stop hating on my amor ese.

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Unknown said...

lol dang you hater.. i live in the properties and trust me your full of mentiras..we are living there and we are just waiting to see whats going to happen. Brother zuniga is leaving a profit of 8000000 dollars to the assembly an a check for 300000 dollars to the beloved assamblea.. you brought up alot of chismes that were said and we know for a fact to be another mentira. i was expecting someone like you to show up and bring out all this junk.. The fact is that pastor believes in the church being blessed. people were blessed in the congregation with new houses
better cars and we are blessed everyweek to hear Good word of God.Testimonies of healing taking place along with the doctors notes that they could not explain what happen.Heres the reality over 300 people moved out of montebello when we started Working For God. THey did not agree so they walked out and most of theme ended up going to Valverdes church, where they are free to talk and talk. and yes alot of those members did not pay there diesmos , it was a fact. Preaching about being blessed but they did not help out in the church. There biggest motivation was making money. So now have a good time with valverde and keep writting all that junk.. We help the people in teh church who dont work or have a job. But we dont screem it out we do it in privacy. SO to the rest of the people, more stuff wil come out, This person is going to call all those people that left to get more junk out, do we care nope:)
have we worked with pastor zuniga
YEA, are we moving out to go to another taliban apostolic church
nope..:)

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LL said...

Hernandez,

regarding the $15,000 expenses(Zuniga)
well, at least we know how much his making!(if it's true)

Well, according to sources Abel A. makes around $7,000- 9,000 a month that doesn't include the salary a as a gb member.

Until THIS DAY the gb SALARIES ARE A MYSTERY!!!

Noone knows, every time someone ask about the salaries they tell the pastors & bishops that they will let them know LATER!!
My guess that they average between $9,000 - 12,000 per month.
When you add the digits that's alot of dinero!!

If you don't believe me CALL or SEND an email to the treasurer and
ask him to send you a full report & he WON'T respond!!

That's one reason why I think they refuse to leave office!!

LL said...

Hernandez,

regarding the $15,000 expenses(Zuniga)
well, at least we know how much his making!(if it's true)

Well, according to sources Abel A. makes around $7,000- 9,000 a month that doesn't include the salary a as a gb member.

Until THIS DAY the gb SALARIES ARE A MYSTERY!!!

Noone knows, every time someone ask about the salaries they tell the pastors & bishops that they will let them know LATER!!
My guess that they average between $9,000 - 12,000 per month.
When you add the digits that's alot of dinero!!

If you don't believe me CALL or SEND an email to the treasurer and
ask him to send you a full report & he WON'T respond!!

That's one reason why I think they refuse to leave office!!

Anonymous said...

After speaking with Juan Campos, he has assured me that for now this is just a rumor about him leaving the AA.

LL said...

Chrwhorkcenter

where is Phil Saenz pastoring?

LL said...

Chrwhorcenter

where is Phil Saenz pastoring?

GQ1973 said...

Speak To Me: Transformacion por el Espiritu Santo

http://veedios.blogspot.com/2008/08/transformacion-por-el-espiritu-santo.html#links

Written by Omar Arreola

GQ1973 said...

"TRANSFORMATIONS OF THE GOD KIND"
by Omar Arreola

By watching the events of our Apostolic Assembly unfold before our very eyes, I can for sure say, that neither side has been praying, or if they had been praying, then the results of the prayers are being seen now.

Let me share what I saw on a video that our Bishop Leonardo Garcia presented in our Men's Camp, in Menard, TX.

http://veedios.blogspot.com/2008/08/transformacion-por-el-espiritu-santo.html#links

LL said...

South CA district

Is Mascareno still pastoring?

called2proclaim said...

Any word on youth camp coming up in CA?
LA District?
Its next week?

fedupwithdeceit said...

called2proclaim said...
Any word on youth camp coming up in CA?
LA District?
Its next week?


Do they have more that Inferior District? They had 60 Juniors at Junior Camp this week and are expected to have less for Youth camp next week.

Way to go Severo!!!

Anonymous said...

This blog is full of trash besides the ones proving facts. That's all this blog is for, the trash talkers. People that can't even reveal their true identity because with malice talk comes malice minds.

Proverbs 16:28 "A perverse man stirs up dissension, and a gossip separates close friends."

Unknown said...

Patrick and similar types:
YOU ARE SUCH A HYPOCRITE!

why do you demand everybody else's identity and you don't reveal yours???.....

I believe that the only people defending our socalled leaders are their relatives.
they don't dispute the facts they attack the person blogging by their usual "if you are men of GOD reveal your identities, reveal you identities like a crying baby!! hey if your deadbeat relative would have practiced what he preaches noone here would be calling them out!! Please stop with your crying "reveal your identity" reveal your identity reveal your identity........

LL said...

Patrick

Jesse, is right! the only people that are defending the gb are relatives or their buddies!!!!!

Anonymous said...

jesse, ll and all those defending the good side.

I'm on your side, I was talking about all the "trash talkers" such as the truth for once, only whatever people, hernandez, etc...

Don't jump to conclusions.

You just didn't read my post right or I wasn't specific enough.

Read all my former posts, I have always been with the good guys.

Good job good guys, you have all these other guys ralled up. Don't let them work you up though.

Anonymous said...

P.S. My identity is not hidden, my name is Patrick Ramirez. I am from Southern California.

LL said...

Patrick,

Maybe you can answer my question
Is Mascareno still pastoring?

Where does Phil Saenz pastor's?

fedupwithdeceit said...

LL said...


Where does Phil Saenz pastor's?


Lake Elsinore, CA

Seeker said...

To the author of the letter “Blood on the hands of the General Board”,

Your letter, which is attached to the court document, is full of twisted truth. Manipulating the reader into your illogical, unsound way of thinking. You accused VP Sr. of not being qualified with someone else’s actions. I am glad you are not a lawyer, as your straw-man argument would have no leg to stand on if it were a court case.

VP Jr's court Document has nothing to do with the elections and nor does it related to the info site documents concerning the 2006 elections. What you have posted is twisted truth and manipulates it and tries to connect two separates, unrelated tragic incidents.

"More importantly, as a result of your actions as a General Board member, . . ."
 The actions of VP Sr. are not the actions of VP Jr. who is of age. Everyone is held responsible for his or her own actions, especially if you are of age.

"The vehicle paid for by the membership of the Apostolic Assembly was placed in the hands of your uncontrollable son."
 This is false, the vehicle was under VP JR's name and paid out of his pockets not the AA's.

"Because the vehicle was in the Apostolic Assembly's name, even greater care should have been taken. Now, because of YOUR actions . . "
 Once again: The actions of VP Sr. are not the actions of VP Jr. or visa versa! Everyone is held responsible for his or her own actions. The vehicle once again was registered under VP Jr’s name.

As you can see you are trying to connect both incidents, which do not connect at all. Twisted truth I tell’ya!

I am not sure what the info site was thinking in posting your letter. Just because you attempted to connect both stories; when reality it does not connect and false accusation were made as those listed above?

Besides being unrelated, you try to discredit VP Sr qualifications from being a board member with this tragic incident. Yes they are related, but each has their responsibility to their own actions.

And just to make it clear, I do not agree with the 2006 elections. It is a shame when stories like this comes out which sidetracks the true purpose of the info site.


The Seeker

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