Thursday, July 31, 2008

Revolutionaries for Justice




So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?

Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.

Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.

You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.

I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".

Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.

You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.

Back to the Revolutionaries...

If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.

I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.

Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire


ps.
For our revolutionaries....

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Thought for the day said...

Dear Idea:
Praise the Lord.
You keep serving the Lord ,and blessing him and your church will prosper.!!!!More than you will ever imagine. Be kind to your members, love them, have compassion and "be there" for them...Answer your phone...to them..
Love your wife with all your heart and do not be "afraid to tell her she is loved and beautiful..."

You are extremely blessed to be such a nice person.
I feel from reading your comments, that you have the Lord in your heart.

If you were ever in AA you must know what we are all going through. It is getting soooo bad...
The brethren are in "full denial", do and let do....
I know we are to trust God. But the problem is that we do not trust each other, nor are we "united" we have no true :leader", only a Mixed up group of money hungry individuals.

The more you give the more God gives. But all the GBM is doing is "robbing" the churches, being "refinaced" and "sold" and swapped to better neighborhoods to sell those churhes....

Its is worse than ever...Because all these GBM want is $$$$$$.
I know that the Bible states that "money reponds to all needs>"
but my goodness....

With these double salaries,of the GBM, their positions in the GB and their church salaries, and still they do not "have enough"

and transferring from the AA, monies to the new corporation founded in Texas, by Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco, sole board members...

This is why they are "refinancing churches, and selling churches and swapping churches, from cities where the real estate properties are higher.

God please have mercy on The Apostolic Asssembly!!!!!.

Imagine with the World crises, on the financial state of the United States!!!!!!.

And this GBM wants $10,000.00 from each church., if they cannnot give $10,000.00 then give $5,000.oo, or even $2,500.00 The letter was mailed to us on August 15,2008, with no remorse on the brethren "Lynched" only "self, self, self".
"Wordly competion between churches and Pastors, with no Shame from the GBM.

Desperate for monies for their "new Corporation in Texas, sole members Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco.!!!!!
God have mercy.

Keep the faith, as you have been doing.
Thank God you married the love of your youth, and not one of "the GBM, daughters. Here today gone tomorrow, and "stuck" with them.
Believe I know...

I have seen it over and over.
Look at Abel Aguilar....and especially Sam Valverde, his father in law Brother DAvid Contreras, told Sam Valverde, "You are not going to make a fool of my daughter." You marry her or no ministry for you"!

Ask him he knows its true.
This is why he has aged before his time. and This is why he is out to destroy the Assembly!!!

I say this because it is true, and Iam so disgusted for what they are doing "refinancing" churches, and selling them, without telling any thing to us Pastors.
I wish I could say more that I know on the "church refinancing" but I want to keep my Pastor friends out of the GBM, "harms way".

The story on Sam is too long, but yes Sam made it to the GBM, and now look how miserable he is, he cannot do , but misery, after misery to "lynch" his own brethren with no compassion, nor with thanksful ness for all Bishop Baldemar did for him and Pacheco.

You, Brother Idea, made it in Ministry with God's help and continue to "confess God's blessing on you, your family and your church..

I will pray for you....

Pray for me.Thank you...

lehan said...

Dear Thought for the day,

I asked my cousin in Arizona the same question you asked me, "Would you rather have Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Aguilar, Ma , Prado, Del Campo and Espinoza than 'TAfoya'?" And you know what his answer was, "Tafoya is the same as Sanchez! EVERYTHING Sanchez is doing at the national level - TAFOYA DID IN THE DISTRICT LEVEL!"

This man had no mercy on pastors, brothers, AND THEIR FAMILIES. He ousted and marked them as rebel Pastors. He sent out letters telling other churches NOT to fellowship with them. He even stopped other AA preachers from preaching at their churches.

NO!! What I'm suggesting to pastors that are thinking on joining the new organization is to stay independent. Or even join another apostolic organization other than the AA and the new one.

If the new organization, and their board of directors don't have the discernment, wisdom, and understanding to see the lackof integrity Tafoya has, what makes you think they will see and understand future problems in their new organization. If the board of directors of this new organization can't see the lack of character Tafoya has, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY WILL BE GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTERS when more pastors like Tafoya join. When child molesters, and crroks like pachueco, valverde, and sanchez join.

If I was them, I WOULDN'T JOIN THE NEW ORGANIZATION NOR THE AA, because any leaders that allow men like tafoya ARE NO BETTER THAN sanches and the rest of his peeps. So thanks, but NO THANKS!

Carlos said...

CBG,

You say you won't join the new org because of tafoys....

Yet you are in the AA in spite of PACHUECO???

Wow...

Theres actually newspaper articles on the scams Pachueco's pulled out...

Tafoya??

hahahahha.

And mind you, the directors of the new organization have no where near the power of the GB. Each church is independently governed, so it is more like an a association, not an organization..

idea said...

Thought for the day

Thank you for your kind words.

I am praying for you and for all the pastors of the AA.

I pray that you will keep on being a disco rayado until everybody gets the message.

SLJ said...

So Sammy is preaching at the flor azul rally. (the rally for more money).

I wonder how much of that so called Love Offering he is demanding for his royal pressence?

lehan said...
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lehan said...

I have a question for some of you all. There are some people in here which write with such an infantile mentality. How old are some of you all. I would understand certain words being delivered by young adults and even children but some of you all claim to be older cbg and idea not just you all many others.

The thought process you all have sounds very infantile.

Just a question.

You make a substantial claim that some people are repeating themselves over and over and are they not doing the same thing you are doing.

Because I have heard that scratched disc at least twice today. (referring to Idea comment have you not said that twice already)

Though for the day said they were praying for you as you pray for them.

Then Idea you rebound that comment with a very offensive statement.

SolidRock said...

The GB and Tafoya are having a meeting when all of a sudden tragedy strikes and all men perish.
Upon arriving at the pearly gates, St Peter is surprised to see this group of men and asked them what they were doing there citing all the problems they have recently caused.
To which Sanchez says "Well, just go ask if we can come in?"
Upon approaching, God notices something wrong with St Peter and says "Peter what is wrong?"
St Peter states that the group of men are out waiting and did not know what to do.
God says "Let them in"
When St Peter arrives back, he notices they are all gone, now perplexed he heads back to tell God.
Upon approaching, God notices his nervousness and says, "Peter, what is wrong?" And St Peter says, They're gone! And God says "What do you mean?" St Peter says "THE GATES, THE GATES ARE GONE!" LOL!

Thought for the day said...

Dear brother or sister Lehan,
Praise the Lord:

You are so "right" that so many of us write in an "Infintile mentality" "infintile mode"?

How true this is , because my dear Lehan it is because we are referring to the GBM and they are all "playing church in an infintile mentality"

Stealing our monies, "Refinancing the AA properties, and selling them and "swapping them", according to Pacheco.AND "TRANSPERRING THE MONIES TO THE OWNED BY SANCHEZ, PACHECO AND VALVERDE CORPORATION IN TEXAS.

Like right now today, here in our Interior District in Indio,
Luciano Monez, brown noser, has called Goergina Marron, Phil Sainz and Samuel Valverde for 'MORE COLLECTING OF MONIES OF THIS DISTRICT, FOR THE "FLOR AZUL" MONIES PROJECT.....

DO YOU NOT CALL THIS "INFANTILISMO"
The convention is next month, so the GBM need alot of money.....

AND AT THE CONVENTION THE GBM HAS PLANS WITH LETTERS ALREADY SENT TO COLLECT'
$10,000.00 FROM EACH CHURCH TO RECEIVE A GOLD MEDAL,

$5,000.00 FROM EACH OTHER AND THEY WILL RECEIVE A SILVER MEDAL.

AND FOR $2,500,00 THEY WILL RECEIVE A BRONZE MEDAL...

WHAT ARE THE PASTORS GOING TO DO WITH THE MEDALS....????

WEAR THEM "AROUND" THEIR NECKS LIKE AT THE "OLYMPICS"???
or maybe give them to our wives for their birthdays?

NO WE CANNOT DO THAT wear them around our neck nor our wives..BECAUSE, WE WILL BE SENT TO HELL BY THE GBM IF WE WEAR ANYTHING AROUND OUR NECKS???

SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE MEDAL?

SEE. HOW INFINTILE!!!!

So whaT IS GOING ON NOW WITH THE MONIES TO BE COLLECT BY THE "FLOR AZUL, PROJECTS??? ,

send out the "rampagers" to go and collect "more and More monies"
Santa is another part of the country, and Francisca in another..

With orders to collect, and collect and collect. "OR ELSE....."OUT!!! AND NO "QUESTIONS ASKED FROM THESE WOMEN WHERE THE MONIES ARE GOING'
This is why these women have been there in the "Dorcas" confederacion, since the 1960's...

Some one asked how much monies does Valverde get for "speaking one of the PLAGARISED TALKS.

Well its understood that it is over $1,000.00 or more to come and "talk" for one hour.

Pep talks like Aguilar, who went to Cananada and expected and did have the Brethren pay for everthing for him., instead of Agujilar taking monies from "MISSIONS to the "starting missions, the small "missions" have to "pay for lodgeining and for the best restaurants, as the GBM desires.Aguilar took the money and gave it to his son to "set up a Web page for himself, and one million dollars to purchase the church in Long Island.

Is this property in the name of the Assambley?
Good research.....



The "Honrables" have to have the best.
And do you remember years back when sanchez, asked Brother Phil Sainz from the church in Lake Elisore to have the "Praise Team" from Lake Elisore church sing in the Ministerial conference?

Well the "infintile mentality DEMENTIA CONTROLLLING ANAGERED MIND of Sanchez, in front of all the ministers, "embarrased Brother Phil, and said to us.

"Sanchez said, "Hermanos pido perdon por haber tenido a este groupo cantar, pero, SAnchez continued, "les prometo que para otra vez, les consiguire "otro" groupo menjor"

Do you not call this "infintile mind, coming from the so called, President ja ja of the Assembly?

How humilating for Brother Phil Sainz and the ministerial group.
I knew then this man was and is 'MONEY HUNGRY AND WOULD "DESTROY THE ASSEMBLY"...

I guess for Sanchez, he was making excuses for not having, the "FLORS, as they call themselves, from Union City, since their father Adan Lopez had collected so much money....


AND NOW THE "BROWN NOSER" PHIL SAINZ IS AGAIN "TRYING TO GAIN POINTS WITH the gbm AND IS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HERE IN THE "COLLECTING FOR THE FLOR AZUL PROJECT MONIES...

DO YOU NOT CALL THEM "INFINTILE MENTALITY"...GROW UP GBM AND PHIL AND SERGIO . YOU ARE TOOOOO OLD TO ACT "INFINTILE"..


So see my dear brother Lehan...
We are definately dealing with "Infintile mentality of the GBM!!!!

And there was Brother Phil Sainz and Sergio Maffey, the other 'brown noser" and talks so bad about the GBM himself, and there they were in the video when Bishop Baldemar was "lynched"..
in San Bernardino.

This Sergio Maffey,that needs to attend "ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES" TO CONTROL "his christian rage, like his brothers RICHARD AND HIS OTHER "ROBBER' LEOPARDO the biggest "legalista" de la Asamblea THINK "THEY" "wrote" the Bible and that he owns the Assembly to be such "legalists and such condemeners".,
and they cannot even "control their own families!!!!

Poor legalists so "self righteous", but they will also get their day.....

MY DEAR BROTHER LEHAN, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE "POWER OF THE PODIUM", or better yet, 'THE POWER OF THE PULPIT",

IAM VERY SURE YOU HAVE HEARD THIS PHRASE...

WELL WHEN THESE LEGALISTS GET AHOLD OF THE "PULPIT"
WATCH OUT...THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT CONDEMENATION!!!

INFINTILE MENALTIY....YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!!!

AND TO THINK THEY STILL HAVE "MORE" PLANS TO :REFINANCE CHURCHES, AND SELL THE PROPERTIES AND "SWAP" CHURCH PROPERTIES.
AND TO WHOM ARE THEY ACCOUNTABLE TOO?

TO WHOM??????
TO WHOM DOES MAFFEY GIVE REPORTS ON THEIR DOUBLE SALARIES THE GBM AND THEIR CHURCHES???

TO "NO ONE" ABSOLUTELY TO NO ONE"
and no one holds them accountable.

THE PLAINTIFF DID AND "OUT SAID,


Sanchez consulted
QUIROZ, ALVAREZ, ROMO AND OF COURSE THE EXPERIENCED ONE EX-BISHOP JOE PRADO...THEY TOLD SANCHEZ, "OUT AND NO MERCY FOR THE PLAINTIFF...

BECAUSE QUIROZ, ALVAREZ, ROMO AND PRADO acted like ..."WE are God' AND WE SAY "OUT WITH THOSE "SINNERS",
BECACUSE WE GIVE THE COMMAND."
AND THEY CONTINUE TO SAY "THAT THEY ARE "HOLY"....


IMAGINE, AND QUIROZ, WILLED THE CHURCH OF HOUSTON TO JOEL MONTES HIS SON IN LAW., AND IT IS NOT IN THE NAME OF THE ASSAMBLY.and "they get away with it from the GBM
Why?????

AND YET QUIOROZ, SAID TO SANCHEZ,
CONCERNIING THE PLAINTIFF, "CRUCIFY THEM, NOW"!!!!

WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH the GBM INFINTILES?????

HONORING THEM?????
We surely are......

GOD BLESS YOU.

QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS Y NOS BENDIGA..

Thought for the day said...

Dear Solid Rock:
Praise the Lord:
Great analogy......
Please write it in Spanish...
Many Pastors do not "read" nor write in Spanish.

That's why we keep writing about the "refinancing" of the churches of the AA and the selling of churches and "swapping"\
moving pastors and congregations from their "paid churches" to other churches, not paid, so the paid churches can be "sold" by the GBM, to "steal as they did the Pearly Gates, in your analogy; the monies to "transfer to the New Corporation in Texas, formed by SAnchez, Valverde and Pacheco.

you must be a "writer" good thinking. Makes alot of sense.

God bless you and yours...

Thought for the day said...

Dear Solid Rock:
Praise the Lord:
Great analogy......
Please write it in Spanish...
Many Pastors do not "read" nor write in Spanish.

That's why we keep writing about the "refinancing" of the churches of the AA and the selling of churches and "swapping"\
moving pastors and congregations from their "paid churches" to other churches, not paid, so the paid churches can be "sold" by the GBM, to "steal as they did the Pearly Gates, in your analogy; the monies to "transfer to the New Corporation in Texas, formed by SAnchez, Valverde and Pacheco.

you must be a "writer" good thinking. Makes alot of sense.

God bless you and yours...

Thought for the day said...

Dear Solid Rock,
Excuse the mistake...
I meant, a large number of Pastors do not read or write in "
English"

It makes alot of sense what you wrote.

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lehan said...

Dear Thought for the day,

I completely agree with you. I think all of your information and the historical facts are very interesting and also have been well thought out.

I was referring to all these other people that get so flustered that they do not even realize how immature their comments are at times.

I for one value the information you have given us because as one once said if you do not know your past you are unable to correct the present.

Thank you and keep on giving us those valuable facts.

Other on here just do not understand that tactics the GB uses on them to keep on manipulation and controlling the very words that come out of their mouth.

factsonly1 said...

To CBG

You come right out of a comic book!
You think you can give advise on what pastors should do and what organization to join? Your not even Christian and you're a self proffessed rejector of Jesus.

Even will the alledged accusations against Tafoya he's better that you. Since he accepted Jesus as his saviour.

You don't even belong here, you don't even care about God's Kingdom or work all your good at is being profane.

Even the dumb ass of Balam has more sense than you to fear the Lord and avoid punishment!

What you should be worried about and focus on is on repenting, and converting, and regenerating your sinful life and getting baptized.

Take the beam out of you eye so you can take the speck out of other people's eye.

The same goes for you IDEA, you don't belong here, you're not Apostolic or care about the Apostolic Assembly. Why should the Apostolic trust your motives and comments in this blog. Go back to worrying about your church and organization.

WatchOut! said...

Looks like the gb is in Texas a lot these days having little pep rallies for convention. I've never seen them in Texas so much in my life. Abel Aguilar is in San Antonio this weekend.

factsonly1 said...

To Idea:

The more you speak the more you reveal, Deja que otros the alaben y no tu propia bica.

Let others praise you and not your own mouth! I sense some pride there.

My comment was that if you really have a calling no one can stop you from being a pastor in the AA.

There's many people that go out and start churches but not in God's will. Only time will judge.

What is your purspose of being here, is it to hurt the AA. Go back to tending to your sheep, go pray and study instead of been here gossiping and slandering our leaders. You say I attack you but isn't that what you came to do here.

WatchOut! said...

factsonly

And just WHO are you to tell anyone they are not "christian"? Belonging to a particular religion does not necessarily make you an immediate "christian". It is your actions and what is in your heart. I mean look at Sanchez, Pacheco, Aguilar, etc. They may be Apostolic but as we continue to hear somewhere along the line they forgot about christianity. Now they are just men who have a whole organization in their clutches.

factsonly1 said...

To Chisme of the Day:

You say it's a fact I'm one of the GB. LOL goes to show you how off you are and how your "facts" are false.

You never answered my questions:

Name the churches that you say are many and have been refinanced.

Don't just make accusation back them up.

All those proposal you suggest, I hope to submitt the at the conventions if you're not a coward. Or you want someone else to take the heat and fall for you.
This reveals your true nature and everyone will begin to see why they shouldn't trust you with your slanders.

Please, if your going to write a book, just put it in print and for sale. Hardly anyone reads your the books you write in this blog.

factsonly1 said...

To Slander of the Day:

Why don't you mention that Baldrmar Rodriguez received double salary for 24 years as pastor and board member and you never said anything about that.

Abel Torres reveived double salary also for many years as bishop and pastor,

And what about Daniel Salomon receiving doulble salary also.
You never said anything before, that called hypocrisy

factsonly1 said...

To Idea:

Just to remind you it's not YOUR congregation (if in fact it's a Christian congregation)it's Christ!

The church belongs to Jesus, He bought with his blood.

Keep revealing more about yourself!

Unknown said...

From what I here, the gold, silver and bronze scam is not working, so now they simply asking pastors to bring at least one grand each.

Carlos said...

Factsonly1,

you claim to not be affiliated with the GB, yet you talk about the plaintiff's salaries with such CONFIDENCE

Explain yourself!

How do you KNOW that they were getting double salaries? (which is a LIE from hell)

Are you affiliated with the GB or are you just here to slander? (To use your own rhetoric)

YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT SALARIES THEY GOT PAID?

Are you the treasurer of San Bernardino church?

Do you without shadow of a doubt KNOW that they piad him a salary, if so, how much?

Face it, FactsOnly1.

The secret's out. you are either a LIAR, part or affiliated with the GB, or all of the above.
YOU ARE A LIAR. REPENT OR YOU WILL GO TO HELL FACTS ONLY1

factsonly1 said...

To CBG:

Any Christian even with all their mistakes is better off than a Jesus Rejector!

Since Jesus is our Savior, we can call on the blood of Jesus and he will cover us and forgive if there's repentance.

1 John 2:1

Now according to your depraved and pagan mentality one has to be perfect to be a Christian but the fact is we're not perfect just forgiven! 1 John 1:8-10

I know this eats at you but till you stop rejecting Jesus any Christian is better off than you!

Take the big beam out of your eye and then maybe you can start taking the speck out of Christians eyes. How do you criticize Christians when you're a pagan.

You don't belong here not even the sick twisted freaks of revs of injustice accepted you, they rejected you you profaner.

Even the ass of false prophet of Balam had more sense than you to fear the Lord!

factsonly1 said...

To Carlos:

Goes to show how limited your mind is!
You don't need to be the treasurer of the San Bernardino church or on the GB to know if he was getting double salary for 24 years (as pastor and GB member). Try maybe even triple salary when he was pastor, bishop, and GB board member.

All you need to do is look at the pastoral district tithing report!

How does Slander of the Day (and other haters)know how much Bishop Sanchez and Bishop Valverde recieve?

You didn't have a problem with those accusations, that's hypocrisy!

Good try though

Carlos said...

Factsonly1,

Double salary for 24 years, eh?

and you've seen this???
How old ARE you?

And how is it that you've kept up with his salary for 24 YEARS???

Why don't you prove it?

How can an AA member or minister have acces to this information?

It's obviously archived... rrrright???

LIE, LIES, LIES...

typical GB behavior.

factsonly1 said...

To all Bloggers:

Some slander Bishop Valverde for asking for an offering for Missions using the illustration of Gold, Silver, Bronze

And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,
Exodus 25:3

Y esta es la ofrenda que tomaréis de ellos: oro, plata y bronce
Ex. 25:3

Alos Exodus 35:5

It's voluntary not mandatory and it's biblical and it's not for him it's for missions.

People criticize because to the
filthy all things are filthy!

To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.
.
Titus 1:15

factsonly1 said...

To Carlos:

I know it's hard to accept facts about you pastor but it's undenialable through out those 24 years on and off he received double and maybe triple salary!
You don't know how old I am but I can sure tell how old you are by your mental limitations.

You're telling me that for 24 years he didn't receive a salary from the local church! LOL

You may not be able to go back all the 24 to verify but you can sure go back 10,15 years to prove my point.

factsonly1 said...

To Carlos:

Who's the liar now!

factsonly1 said...

To cbg:

It hurts huh?

Carlos said...

Factsonly1,

You my friend, sre still the apparent LIAR.

1st of all, for a large portion of his service as GB member, Bro Baldemar was a Bishop President but HE WAS NOT A PASTOR.

He was a minister at Colton Church!

He didn't become pastor @ SB until the mid 90's.

So which is it facts, are you ignorant or a LIAR?

Get ur lies straight.

And you mention that the info regarding pastoral tithing/salaries is archived for the past 10 years...

PROVE IT. LAIR!

tell the AA members how they can access it.

make yourself credible.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev 21:8

SolidRock said...

Dear Thought for the day
Sorry but no can do on the translation, if i did, it might turn out that i'm the one stealing the gates, and that my brother scares the "hell" out of me, unlike the dishonorable GB

Thought for the day said...

Factsonly1:
Well so you came out "roaring" out of 'lil Haven in Cucmonga, or did we interrupt your "golf game"!!!

There is a saying in Spanish,
"vez la tempestad y no te humillas"!!!

Stop being in your "denial modes".
This is about "fraud" that went on in Long Beach's convention, and finally a Brave Warrior, Bishop Abel Torres,inspired from the Lord, brought it to light,
THE FRAUD' AND NEPETISIUM" "once and for all", and your "BUDS"
GOT CAUGHT!!!

So number 1-Stop being in denial, the Whole Assembly KNOWS THIS and IT WAS EVEN Published in La Opinion.

so number 2- Of course its Christ's Congregation.
Who do you think it belongs too,
Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Aguilar, or Prado, or Ma, or Martin del Campo or Espinoza's?

You gotta be kidding!!!

Oh but the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus of Texas, now that's the REAL ISSUE???? WHO DOES THIS ONE BELONG TOO....WHEN WILL ELECTIONS BE HELD?, WHO WILL "REMOVE THE THREE "COMPRADES"? WHEN THEY NEED TO BE "REMOVED" NOW!!!!

DOES IT BELONG TO THOSE THREE, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO, AND YOU?

WELL THEN MY DEAR BROTHER FACTSONLY 1
ALL FOUR OF YOU ARE "EMBLEZZELERS, LIARS, AND CHEATING AND FRAUD."
"REFINANCING, SELLING AND "SWAPPING" CHURCHES FROM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THE CHURCH'S SALE, WILL BRING "MORE MONEY" FOR PACHECO WILL BE "SELL",EVEN YOU... HE IS NOW NEGOCIATING WITH PASTORS ON THE "TRADE OFF" OF CHURCHES.

AND WHO "STOPS" HIMJ?

THE DISTRICT BISHOPS?///THEY ARE ALSO AFRAID OF BEING "LYNCHED"
SO WHY DON'T YOU DEFEND THOSE PASTORS INVOLVED....IN THEIR CHURCHES BEING "REFINACED"???


IF PACHECO SWINDLED THE APOSTOLIC BRETHREN,ON THE CAR "SCAMS" AND EVEN UPC AND OTHERS CHURCHES...

THERE IS "PROOF" ON THIS FROM BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT KEEP THESE "REPORTS" FROM THE "MARICOPA' COURT IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA.
SO HOW CAN YOUUUU BE IN DENIAL OF THIS???

"LAMPARA ES A MIS PIES TU PALABRA Y LUMBRERA A MI CAMINO"
PRAY TO THE LORD TO 'ENLIGHT YOUR HEAD AND MIND,

AND STOP MAKING "EXCUSES FOR THESE CHURCHES BEING "REFINANED" "SOLD" AND "SWAPPED"
AND THEY DO "RECEIVE" HUGE DOUBLE SALARIES. ASK THE PEOPLE THAT "WORK IN THE GBM OFFICES."
ONE OF THEM IS ALSO "WRITING A BOOK"

GOOD FOR HIM....

NO WONDER YOU ARE SO ANGRY......!

But believe me the Plaintiffs are not "through with the likes of you yet!
There are other appeals.
That is why the GBM are meeting in different states with Pastors of the AA to "assure" them that "EVERTHING IS QUITE IN THE WESTERN FRONT."

BUT IT IS NOT....!!!!
And you know why? Because the more times passes, the more "information" is coming out and the next in the Agenda is an total and complete "audit" for the GBM and the General Offices, and also for the New Corporation they formed in Texas.

So be surprized, more and be in denial all you want!!!!!.
this is just the "beginning" of your "FINDING THAT THE ASSEMBLY DOES NOT BELONG TO THE "HONORABLES".

You are so "inquisitive" on the plaintiff's new organization.

But are you "inquisitive" on the Texas corporation.? NO YOU ARE NOT...

SANCHEZ'S VALVERDE AND PACHECO'S.
THERE WAS NO NEED TO FORM ANOTHER CORPORATION, EXCEPT IF THERE IS ARE TRANSFERRS OF MONEY!!!!

THIS IS WHAT CLEARLY TELLS US THAT IF IT IS LIKE SANCHEZ SAID, THAT THIS CORPORATION IN TEXAS WAS FORMED TO "PROTECT" THE ASSETS FROM THE ASSEMBLY FROM A "LAW SUIT", WELL THEN THIS EXPLAINS THAT THIS IS "TOTAL SEPARATE" FROM THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY.

SO BE IN DENIAL, BUT WE ARE NOT.

AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE NOT "CHRISTIANS", WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO "EXPOSE" THESE gbm, SO THE BRETHREN WILL "REALLY KNOW THEM."

I HOPE NOW YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THEM BETTER...
ARE YOU A "JOHNNY COME LATELY?????

NO WONDER!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS YOU.
I WILL PRAY FOR YOU TOO.

MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US!!!!


Will there be "elections"

to "vote" for these three "gallos" out. How long will they be Board members of the Texas Assembly?

Who are they accountable too?
Who makes the "financial" reports of their expenditures? MA? HE IS NOT IN THAT BOARD OF TEXAS..

We have asked Ma for a report, and he sends nothing, but we "better send them our chruch's statement or else"!!!

I remember the Bishop of Arizona once telling that when Daniel Sanchez was pastoring in Tucson, Arizona, Sanchez NEVER SEND TITHES OF TITHES...
THE REPORTS SENT TO THE GENERAL OFFICES ON BEVERLY BOULEVARD IN LOS ANGEELES FOR SANCHEZ WERE JUST PLAIN 000000000000000000000'S .!

OH BUT LO AND BEHOLD IF ONE OF US DOES NOT SEND IN OUR TITHES TO THE DISTRICT, IT WILL BE "CURTAINS" FOR US...

SEE MR. FACTSONLY1 YOU HAVE "NO FACTS."

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE GENERAL BOARD RECEIVED DURING THE 23 years of Bishop Baldemar, call to Bakersfield's Apostolic Church and ask to speak to Pastor Elias Duarte, he knows alot, because he was the General Treasure, during that time, but he is sooooo
scared of the GBM....Because he want to "keep" his church that he received from Bishop Vizcarra, now gone to be with the Lord.

I told you over and over, like you say, a broken record, that the GBM of "old" had to have a church also because they received prabably about $800.00 per month, and maybe
about $400.00 if any from their local churches.

Now the GBM gets $10,000.00 per month from the GB salaries and they live in "mega houses, Valverde and Pacheco.
And Sanchez, has "torn" down the house that he "stole from the Narciso and Carmen Romero on Citron street in Anaheim, where Sanchez lives with "La Distinguida".

And now Sanchez is "having a new house built...Iam sure he is also making an extra "bedroom" for the son of Brother and Sister Romero who is developmental delayed and lives out of SSI and "collects" tin cans to "supplement" his income.

After all my dear Factsonly1, you know everything..

But do you know this? that the Bible states that he that "steals from the poor, steals from God."

Sanchez could if he had any, ease his "conscience" and have Daniel Romero live with him and la Distinguida, and his "twice" "divorced"
daughter, Sandra.

The other daughter Rebecca does not want to have anything to do with Sanchez, nor la Distinguida.

So keep being in denial.
Too bad too many people Know the truth and nothing but the truth....

It will be all over for the GBM by January, 2009, according to the report by Abel Aguilar.

Thought for the day said...

To Cowboys:
Praise the Lord:
thank you for your information on the "olympic Gold, Silver and Bronze info."

But my dear brothers the GBM is already on the "rampage" of "searching for all the monies>"

The "messengers of the Dorcas, " poor ladies have been sent to several places, Geogina Marron, Santa and Francisa to "collect" all they can from The Project of "la flor Azul." "collect, or else....."

Also the GBM have for sure, the Adan Lopez, from Union City lined up to "do another grand collection, during the services..
This way we Pastors, can be "embarrased, and have to give."

I heard one Pastor from Arizona, had to "refinance" his personal house to give the $5,000.00 that were "DEMANDED" from us Pastors in the last convention......


God bless you.

Thought for the day said...

To Cowboys:
Praise the Lord:
thank you for your information on the "olympic Gold, Silver and Bronze info."

But my dear brothers the GBM is already on the "rampage" of "searching for all the monies>"

The "messengers of the Dorcas, " poor ladies have been sent to several places, Geogina Marron, Santa and Francisa to "collect" all they can from The Project of "la flor Azul." "collect, or else....."

Also the GBM have for sure, the Adan Lopez, from Union City lined up to "do another grand collection, during the services..
This way we Pastors, can be "embarrased, and have to give."

I heard one Pastor from Arizona, had to "refinance" his personal house to give the $5,000.00 that were "DEMANDED" from us Pastors in the last convention......


God bless you.

Unknown said...

Yes, it's Flor Azul time and the gloves are off!! No one has sent the amounts they've sent in past years and they are worried... because it's Flor Azul- they FINALLY let women speak-- but too bad it's only to send them to do dirty work and collect money. . .

People, don't be fooled- not even a quarter of the money raised reaches the missions fields.

Off the topic, I was at the evangelistic service at Abel Aguilar's church- the UPC preacher prophesied that the current GB would be ousted by January 2009. He said he didn't care if he was ever invited again, but the truth had to be told. He said our assembly was a total mess.

Cowboys said it best earlier- it IS much easier to tear down than to build up.

This current administration has made a total mess of our assembly and have made us the laughing stock of everyone-- including Satan.

Boo them when you see them- Respect? For what? Look what they've done? Our assembly is SICK- healthy church, healthy pastors my behind. Sick, sick, sick- in more ways than one!

factsonly1 said...

To Carlos:

Carlitos, Carlitos, Carlitos,

You should not throw scriptures to condemn people because they become boomerangs to come back and hit you in the forehead!

The only real challenge I have to prove you wrong is time!

Let’s retrace back the years of Balder Rodriguez: Source (B. Rodriguez auto biography)

• “You said he became pastor in S.Ber. in mid nineties”- False
• You said the majority time as President he was not pastor- False
• The truth is 1993 so for almost 9+ years (1993-2002) he received salary for Pastor and Bishop Pres. (1 yr. Vice-Pres.)
• From 1986-1994 he received double salary as District Bishop and Vice-Pres. and maybe even triple salary as intern pastor of 2nd Las Vegas.
• And from 1971 to 1975 double salary as District Bishop and Pastor of Edingburg Texas.

So for over 24 years on and off Baldemar Rodriguez received double salary.
If he’s your pastor why don’t you know these things. Oh yea you were probably born in the 80s. That’s why you should do your homework!

But you seem to have a problem with lying and ignorance!

factsonly1 said...

To Cheese:

Don't lie, the UPC preacher you're reffering to is John Arcovio and that's NOT what he said!

I can assure you the current GB will be there till 2010. And some will be re elected. I know it hurts you, but God will do his will not yours.

factsonly1 said...

To Slander for the Day:

It's Saturday night shouldn't you be going over the sermon for tommorrow instead of making all these accusation without proof.

I'm still waiting for the names of the many churches being refinanced and swapped. And the name of the pastor who was forced to refinance his house to give and offering!

Your loosing credebility!

factsonly1 said...

To slander of the day:

BTW don't lie to the bloggers saying I'm a GB member. Don't flatter yourself, I'm a humble AA assembly member who's defending the truth.

factsonly1 said...

Well, movie time so have a good night!

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idea said...

Factsonly
Thank you for rebuking me for making that foolish comment. I will agree with you, if someone uses the words “my congregation” it means that they are not a Christian congregation. So, pastors, don’t ever say that or you will not be a Christian congregation.
Now that we agreed on this important fact let’s try to agree on something else. Let’s say that a certain group of people committed election fraud, and kicked pastors out of the churches for telling them the truth. Also, let’s assume that those individuals are refinancing churches and putting the money in another organization’s bank account. Not only that, but they have their pastor intimidated so that they won’t say a thing or else they will get lynched. Tell me brother, being that you are very good with name calling, what can we call this group of men? Please, do not say that you would call them mature Christians.
You say, “If you really have a calling no one can stop you from being a pastor in the AA.” Are you telling me that the only way to know if a person has a call from God is if he is an AA pastor? Only AA pastors have a call from God?
You ask me if I am here to hurt the AA. I don’t know if you know this, but the AA managed to do that without me.

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Unknown said...

I know first hand the the gbm do recieve payment from their local churches plus a salary for holding the position the have in the md. My father used to be a bishop and he has told me this. The pastors tithe to the district and if you hold a position in the md both your salaries from your church and md go to the national.

Unknown said...

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SLJ said...

Thought for the day:

I've agreed just about everything you have written, but this I know first hand Phil Saenz is no brown noser.
He is a true servant,and if called upon to preach at this flor azul service, he did it out of service.

LightHouse said...

Greetings, in Jesus Name!

I hope this finds you all in good health, in the name of the Lord.

I Have 7 things to share, may god help me. It is truth about the Denver Summit.

1. The Denver Apostolic Summit was a conference.

2. We had business sessions and preachings nightly

3. It was approved that every local church be autonomous, self governed.

4. It was approved the the organization to temporarily have six national directors. The directors will register the new fellowship. The name is pending. A convention shall be held in a few months to elect the general officials, but NO HIERARCHICAL SYSTEM WILL BE IMPLEMENTED SUCH AS THE ONE USED BY THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY.

5. This new fellowship will not make use of the titles President, Bishop, nor elders.

6. The doctrine is Apostolic and solely based on the Bible.

7. Local Church and National Board may have an advisory committee to oversee.

I am readily available to answer questions regarding the summit and the new fellowship started by the plaintiffs.

I have found thoughtfortheday a reliable source of uninhibited, unfiltered TRUTH.

Believe what he says.

Brother thoughtfortheday go forth in the name of the Lord.

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Carlos said...

Factsonly1,

you need to have more informed, you being part of the GB and all.

You need to do more research. HE CAME TO SB IN 1993. You know, the same year Eddie Pacheco didn't want the SB church... he was too good for it. Ask your HONORABLE general board. Before he was aminister at Colton Church... want proof? Ask Pastor Luna @ Colton. I Have nothing to hide.

So since you have all the facts... Tell us how much Bishop Baldemar has contributed to the AA from the profits from his CD's.

And you know, if he did get a salary, it wasn't in the 1000's range like the GB does now.

So tell me, what is your beef with Bishop Baldemar? Why are you so bitter towards him?

We'll pray for you.

I know Eddie pachueco gives counseling...

oh lord.
The blind leading the blind, indeed.
LOL

factsonly1 said...

To Carlos:

I don't have any beef (using your term)with Baldemar Rodriguez, or him having received double salary, but I find it hypocritical for people (especially slander of the day)to slam the current GB for receiving double salary when this was a practice that was begun way back then. And I agree it's an issue that needs to be reviewed and modified. And I never denied he was a minister at Colton but I'm glad you admitted he has received double salary just as the current GB. It would have been good if he would have not allowed it since back then.

factsonly1 said...

Idea:

Your taking my comments (Christian congregation)out of context, as far as you using those phrases like "my" they do reveal your character.

Can you name the churches that are being refinanced or are you making accusation with no evidence also?

The case about alledged fraud was taken to court by plaintiffs to be decided by a judge and he ruled that according to Contitution and and church docs no fraud was committed and ruled in favor of AA.

I know you can't swallow that but it's the facts.

Now plaintiffs were not taken out of churches for telling the truth rather a group of over 50 people made up of Bishops,Elders and district officials took the decision to cease the plaintiffs of their pastorship for suing the church which is antibiblical, bringing danger to the AA, and causing division, now who are you to say otherwise, what authority do you have? You don't even belong to our Assembly, you said you were set free from AA, so get on with your bad self and get rid of your resentment and leave the church of God alone.

Unknown said...

From what I know, Bishop Baldemar did not want the title of supervisor so the gb over here could not say the he was pushing to be pres. over here.

Carlos said...

Factsonly1 (liesonly1)

I never said get got a double salary. Learn to read buddy! HOOKED ON PHONICS IS ON SALE!!!

I posed a hypothetical statement...

I said IF he got a double salary it wouldn't be in the thousands range the way the GB does now.

I never said he got a salary.

Get your facts straight.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:44

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Unknown said...

There is a big problem a lot of people are missing...

When the settlers of these United States decided enough was enough, and revolted from their British rulers, they did so with aggression. They used propaganda and mockery of the British... well... hierarchy. They were ultimately tired of the way things were being done thus made steps to change it.

Most, if not all our founding fathers were Natural Citizens. However, their parents were not. Most of their parents were farmers, and business people. And not accountants and lawyers, but blacksmiths and carpenters.

Their parents were relatively happy with the way things were going with the colonies. Sure the Brits taxed them more than they thought suitable, but they dealt with it, as it was all they ever knew. Taxation without representation was a normal thing. And who cared if you had something to say about it. King George wasn't going to change anything.

(Cue Battle Hymn of the Republic)

Today we find ourselves in a very similar position. We as the children (I am a son-in-law to these Apostolic Assemblies) are tired of being taxed. Tired of King Sanchez waving his scepter and doing his will at everyone else's expense. Tired of the "Fat and Bloated" general board walking away with the KINGDOMS MONEY!!! Tired of Taxation without representation. Tired of people opposing change.

Why am I tired of people opposing change? Because it is this change that we hold so dear, that allowed you to be who you are today. The desire for change is what lead our country's founding fathers to revolt from the wicked ways of the King. Were they rebels? Yes according to the King. Were they liars? Yes, according to the Parliment of Britain. Were they traitors? Yes according to the "redcoats".

How about we bring it a little more home for us Apostolic's. In a small building in Kansas, there was a group of people tired of religion as normal. So they decided they wanted change. They wanted to experience the Power of God, not just read about it. So they set out for a change. When they walked out of that little room speaking in tongues it is due to the civil liberties granted to us by our founding fathers. They were allowed to change, even spiritually, and it not be unlawful.

Change is good. Hence we change Board Members. Hence we change Jobs. Hence we change our clothes, styles, and positions.

These men, and women, who desire change arent the rebels. They are the visionaries. These young people who are tired of the "fat" king, aren't traitors, they are passionate.

Today we are engaged in an Apostolic Revolution. Us against them. Who's the Us??? You decide. But this one thing can be counted on. Some will win, some will lose, but lose doesn't mean defeat. I encourage those of you wanting to stay with the AA to gird up your loins and run with it. Do whatever you can to be an influence, and above all do it with integrity. Demand change. Demand holiness. Demand righteousness. I wont fight you over it. Rather honor you for being willing to run YOUR race, not mine.

Who cares what our parents did. Lets focus on what we are doing. Lets focus on our current situation, and do what we can to make it right!

SLJ said...

Well said Brother Josh

Instead of dealing with the British Empire. We are dealing with an Evil Empire.

King Sanchez
Wanna be prime minsiter..Malverde.
The Jester....Pacheco
The other ones are just clowns under the jester

lehan said...

I just heard from my friends in Midland. That the old Midland Church cannot even occupy their large sanctuary as a matter of fact they are using the smaller church and they cannot even fill up the pews I would if Sanchez and Pachueco is going to come down because they ordered them to use the large sanctuary and they are the small church looks like they are being disobedient to the GB.

lehan said...

correction they are unable to fit in the small sanctuary which seats only 120. To top it off my friends and have told me that they may have to move to the comidor which seats about 50.

letsgetready said...

Revolutionaries...I am tired of sitting down if ya'll are too then email me at

standupnow81@yahoo.com

We need to discuss how we are ready to let the GB really know how they cannot run over us any longer. reply by tues

elias said...

La rebelión de Coré


Coré hijo de Izhar, hijo de Coat, hijo de Leví, y Datán y Abiram hijos de Eliab, y On hijo de Pelet, de los hijos de Rubén, tomaron gente,

Num 16:2 y se levantaron contra Moisés con doscientos cincuenta varones de los hijos de Israel, PRINCIPES DE LA CONGREGACION, de los del consejo, varones de renombre.

Y se juntaron contra Moisés y Aarón y les dijeron: !!Basta ya de vosotros! Porque toda la congregación, todos ellos son santos, y en medio de ellos está Jehová; ¿por qué, pues, os levantáis vosotros sobre la congregación de Jehová?

Cuando oyó esto Moisés, se postró sobre su rostro;

y habló a Coré y a todo su séquito, diciendo: Mañana mostrará Jehová quién es suyo, y quién es santo, y hará que se acerque a él; al que él escogiere, él lo acercará a sí.

Haced esto: tomaos incensarios, Coré y todo su séquito,

y poned fuego en ellos, y poned en ellos incienso delante de Jehová mañana; y el varón a quien Jehová escogiere, aquel será el santo; esto os baste, hijos de Leví.

Dijo más Moisés a Coré: Oíd ahora, hijos de Leví:

¿Os es poco que el Dios de Israel os haya apartado de la congregación de Israel, acercándoos a él para que ministréis en el servicio del tabernáculo de Jehová, y estéis delante de la congregación para ministrarles,

y que te hizo acercar a ti, y a todos tus hermanos los hijos de Leví contigo? ¿Procuráis también el sacerdocio?

Por tanto, tú y todo tu séquito sois los que os juntáis contra Jehová; pues Aarón, ¿qué es, para que contra él murmuréis?

Y envió Moisés a llamar a Datán y Abiram, hijos de Eliab; mas ellos respondieron: No iremos allá.

¿Es poco que nos hayas hecho venir de una tierra que destila leche y miel, para hacernos morir en el desierto, sino que también te enseñorees de nosotros imperiosamente?

Ni tampoco nos has metido tú en tierra que fluya leche y miel, ni nos has dado heredades de tierras y viñas. ¿Sacarás los ojos de estos hombres? No subiremos.

Entonces Moisés se enojó en gran manera, y dijo a Jehová: No mires a su ofrenda; ni aun un asno he tomado de ellos, ni a ninguno de ellos he hecho mal.

Después dijo Moisés a Coré: Tú y todo tu séquito, poneos mañana delante de Jehová; tú, y ellos, y Aarón;

y tomad cada uno su incensario y poned incienso en ellos, y acercaos delante de Jehová cada uno con su incensario, doscientos cincuenta incensarios; tú también, y Aarón, cada uno con su incensario.

Y tomó cada uno su incensario, y pusieron en ellos fuego, y echaron en ellos incienso, y se pusieron a la puerta del tabernáculo de reunión con Moisés y Aarón.

Ya Coré había hecho juntar contra ellos toda la congregación a la puerta del tabernáculo de reunión; entonces la gloria de Jehová apareció a toda la congregación.

Y Jehová habló a Moisés y a Aarón, diciendo:

Apartaos de entre esta congregación, y los consumiré en un momento.

Y ellos se postraron sobre sus rostros, y dijeron: Dios, Dios de los espíritus de toda carne, ¿no es un solo hombre el que pecó? ¿Por qué airarte contra toda la congregación?

Entonces Jehová habló a Moisés, diciendo:

Habla a la congregación y diles: Apartaos de en derredor de la tienda de Coré, Datán y Abiram.

Entonces Moisés se levantó y fue a Datán y a Abiram, y los ancianos de Israel fueron en pos de él.

Y él habló a la congregación, diciendo: Apartaos ahora de las tiendas de estos hombres impíos, y no toquéis ninguna cosa suya, para que no perezcáis en todos sus pecados.

Y se apartaron de las tiendas de Coré, de Datán y de Abiram en derredor; y Datán y Abiram salieron y se pusieron a las puertas de sus tiendas, con sus mujeres, sus hijos y sus pequeñuelos.

Y dijo Moisés: En esto conoceréis que Jehová me ha enviado para que hiciese todas estas cosas, y que no las hice de mi propia voluntad.

Si como mueren todos los hombres murieren éstos, o si ellos al ser visitados siguen la suerte de todos los hombres, Jehová no me envió.

Mas si Jehová hiciere algo nuevo, y la tierra abriere su boca y los tragare con todas sus cosas, y descendieren vivos al Seol, entonces conoceréis que estos hombres irritaron a Jehová.

Y aconteció que cuando cesó él de hablar todas estas palabras, se abrió la tierra que estaba debajo de ellos.

Abrió la tierra su boca, y los tragó a ellos, a sus casas, a todos los hombres de Coré, y a todos sus bienes.

no hay palabra REVOLUCION en la biblia

al menos si lo leen
pueden reportar lectura biblica
blessings

trophyman said...

BREAKING NEWS!!!

So the Gay-Lord Conevntion will only have 20 security guards @ $250.00/ea. But listen to this the GB has contracted 8 bodyguards and believe me this was not cheap! What the HELL are they so afraid off! Isn't the J-man on their side?

Last but not least 32 tickets to the Dallas Cowboys game 11-27-08 were recieved at the GB office on Friday! I wonder how they were paid and I wonder who is going to the game? Sorry my friend I know this is a major leak, but I just couldn't keep it in me! I hope you don't get fired!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

trophyman said...

TO Elias,

Sorry my friend, your scare tactic is something that might work in a third world country where people are illiterate. Here we are educated! Take your #$@% somewhere else, cause here it stinks!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

Thought for the day said...

Factsonly l
What????
You are a HUMBLE AA MEMBER???
My computer screen almost 'EXPLODED'
WITH THAT HORRIFIC LIE!!!!

There isn't any thing "humble" about you, nor do you "care" one thing for the AA.

Let me tell you, if it isn't that you are "one of those "tinted" GBM;

In a few years, very shortly, all these "tinted" GBM will be "HAS BEEN",
INCLUDING "SANCHEZ" V,P.MDELC,VP, MA, AND ART/E,Aguilar,

AND THEN "THEIR HORRIBLE TESTIMONY" WILL BE LEFT TO OTHER FUTURE APOSTOLIC MEMBERS AND TO THE HISPANIC CHURCHES, EVEN OF "OTHER DOCTRINES"...

WHAT A SHAME!!!!!!!!!

"FRAUD IN ELECTIONS,GREED, MUNIPULATION, CONTROL, "REFINANCING CHURCHES" SWAPPING CHURCHES, "SELLING CHURCHES",
"TRANSFERRING MONIES FROM THE AA "CHRUCHES REFINANCED,AND SOLD AND SWAPPED, FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOOD TO ANOTHER!!!
"STEALING MONIES FROM THE "DESIGNATED "fLOR AZUL pROJECT MONIES, "MISAPPROPIATIONS OF FUND" FROM THE "DORCAS" SUPPOSELY DESIGNATED TO "MISSIONS" FOR THE GBM "SALARIES."

"FORMING ANOTHER CORPORATON WITHOUT THE AA MEMBERS PERMISSION..

"NOT BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO ANY ONE, NOT EVEN AA MEMBERS, NOR PASTORS, AND FIRST AND FORE MOST NOT BEING "ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR"
"THAT'S THE CLINCHER.", my humble AA brother!!!!!

OF THESE 8 GBM BEING "MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS,
"FRUADULENT INDIVIDUALS, AND "REFINANCING" CHURCHES AND "SELLING" AND "SWAPPING" THEM.
EVERYTHING "UNDERHANDED"......
"MAFIA STYLE"

"AND YOU DEFEND THIS? AND THE GBM AND CALL YOUR SELF "A HUMBLE AA MEMEBERS"....????

WHAT A BIG BIG JOKE...AIN'T NOTHING "HUMBLE ABOUT YOU"

YOU ARE JUST IN "DENIAL" FIGHTING OR MAYBE "BAITING US"?

LET ME TELL YOU ONCE AND FOR ALL, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU "NEVER FOCUS"...ARE YOU OBIOUSLY "HAVING" DIFFICULTY, UNDERSTANDING THE COMMENTS ON "CHURCH REFINANCING", CHURCH PROPERTIES CHANGED, SELL ONE KEEP THE OTHER.
AND PUTTING THE MONIES INTO "THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS."

WITH ONLY T H R E E (3) BOARD MEMBERS SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO????..

IF YOU ARE "FIGHTING", "DEBATING." AND "TRYING" TO CONVINCE US THIS IS "RIGHT" THEN BUDDY YOU AIN'T NO "HUMBLE AA MEMBER" "NO WAY NO HOW,".

IF--------SANCHEZ AND THE REST OF THE GBM "GOT RID OF BISHOP BALDEMAR" AND THE GBM DID NOT LIKE WHAT BISHOP BALDEMAR DID IN 24 YEARS IN THE GB?
THEN TELL THEM AND YOU TOO TO SHUT UP AND "PROVE THEY DO NOT LIKE THOSE THINGS AND "CHANGE" THE PATTERN OF "DOUBLE SALARIES, GBM AND THEIR "NEGLECTED" SO CALLED HOME CHURCHES...

SEE, HOW HIPOCRITICAL THE GBM IS, NO WAY "ARE THEY "GOING TO "GIVE UP THEIR GBM SALARIES, NOR "THEIR"
SO CALLED "NEGLECTED CHURCHES"!!!!

THEN, WHY IS THE GBM AND YOU STILL DOING THE SAME THINGS BISHOP BALDEMAR DID??????
YOU AND THE GBM 'MUST ADMIRE WHAT bISHOP baLDEMAR DID????
CAUSE YOU BUD, KEEP ON DOING THEM!!!! LOL!!!!!

"HOW CONVIENIENT"

SO WHO "LYNCHES" THE gbm FOR DOING THE SAME???.

"TAKING PASTORS TO COURT"
"LYING TO THE AA MEMBERS, AND THE MINISTERIAL BODY"

DID YOU NOTICE IN THE "LETTER" SANCHEZ AND PACHECO SENT US PASTORS?

IN THE ONE THAT "THEY STATE" THAT THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY'S INSURANCE,
"PAID FOR THE ATTORNEYH'S FEE" FOR THE COURT TRIAL?

DID YOU "READ THIS MY DEAR "FOCUSED AND ENLIGHTED BROTHER"?

SO THEN IF THE AA INSURANCE PAID FOR THE ATTORNEY'S FEES, THEN HOW COME THE GBM "FOOLED" US AND THE BISHOPS AND THE AA MEMEBERS, AND "COLLECTED BIG OFFERINGS, AND TOOK MONIES FROM "LA FLOR AZUL PROJECTS TO PAID, AS SANCHEZ, SAID, "PAID THE ATTORNEY'S FEES?????

BUT OF COURSE, "HUMBLE AA BROTHER, THAT YOU "CALLED YOUR SELF,"

YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THIS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A "CRONIC CASE OF "IN DENIALITIES",
AND AND THE GBM, 8TH GRADE EDUCATION MENTALITY.....

YOU MUST HAVE AN 8TH GRADE EDUCATION...I KNOW FOR A FACT, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, VICTOR PRADO, ART ESPINOZA AND AGUILAR, AND MA HAVE THE "EQUALIANCY" OF AN 8TH GRADE MENTALITY......

SO NO MORE COMMENTS FROM YOU WILL I EVER ACKNOWLEDGE....
YOU ARE HOPELESS AA MEMBER, AND

"NOT" BY ANY MEANS "A HUMBLE A MEMBER"
WHAT A JOKE??????

"DEFEND GOD'S CHURCH", STOP BEING IN DENIAL, AND ALSO STOP

"ENABLEING THESE "MONEY STARVED MONSTERS"!!!!

"WITH ALWAYS A "BUILDING FUND" EXCUSE TO RAISE, MORE AND MORE AND MORE NEVER ENDING MONIES.!!!!

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US.

GOD BLESS Y0U AND MAY GOD "OPEN YOUR MIND."

Thought for the day said...
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Thought for the day said...

Dear Trophy Man:
Praise the Lord:
Thanks for the info on the "tickets for the Dallas Cowboys"

Thank you for keeping the GBM "transparent"!!!!!

It must be from the "so called, pay the attorneys fees, large collections made, the Flor Azul Project and other large "Grants they receive, thanks to Prado, and Aguilar>"

This is called "misappropriation of funds" Could be one of the GBM gave up their $10,000.oo salary for the month of October????

God bless you.

Thought for the day said...

Dear Brother Bosh:
Praise the Lord:

Great God inspired comment.
It makes alot of sense and great information.....



God bless you and your family.
May God have mercy on the Assembly and "set us free" from these "money hungry individuals."

Thought for the day said...

Dear Lehan,
Praise the Lord.

That's exactly what the GBM wants the Midlands's Church "EMPTY" so that the GBM can have an excuse to "SELL IT".

Pacheco has been "contacting Pastors, he thinks we do not know to have "churhes" "refinaned" and some "swapped" from one neighborhood, to another, where the other property is "more valuable"AND THEN SELL THAT CHURCH. THAT HE HAS NO BUSINESS GETTING HIS "DIRTY" HANDS INTO.....

This is a sin and a "crime", but Pacheco loves to "sin and do fraud", other wise he would have given up his " fraudulant" two vote, ASSIGNMENT.

IF HE HAD BEEN A "MAN OF CHARACTER" HE WOULD HAVE "RESIGNED", BUT THERE IS NO "CHRISTIAN CHARTER IN THESE GBM"!!!!!


There is such a thing, as having a "CONSCIENCE",

But when some one like Pacheco takes HARD EARNED "HERMANOS" money in a "CAR SCAM", with no "REMORSE", and then Valvderde, makes excuses for this,

and Sanchez, "STEALS" a property from the "legal heirs, of Brother Narciso and Carmen Romero,WHERE SANCHEZ LIVES WITH "LA DISTINGUIDA".


And that Aguilar "mis appropiate funds from "grants" he recieves for "his local " church, gives then to Sanchez, and Aguilar gives to his son, when these "grants" money are "only" for his "local church".

All this is "big time Fraud"

Do you think my dear brother they have any type of a "conscience",
when they "TRANSFER FUNDS FROM ONE CORPORATION,
THE AA TO THE ONE NEWLY FOUNDED BY THE "THREE CROONIES".!!!!!

THEY HAVE NO "CONSCIENCE"
BUT WHO CARES.....FRACTSONLY 1?
THE AA PASTORS, THE AA MEMBERS, THE "SOLD OUT BISHOPS"? NO ONE CARES!!!!

NO ONE CARES,
AND THEN "THEY HAVE THE "NEVER ENDING CHURCH BUILDING FUND COLLECTIONS, AND THE "FLOR AZUL COLLECTIONS",

AND THEIR PLANNED "COLLECTION" FOR $10,000.00, $5,000.00 AND THE $2,500.00 COLLECTION PLANNED AT THE UP COMING CONVENTION.
WITH ADAN LOPEZ IN CHARGE.

AND THEN THE GBM "MISAPPROIATION" OF THESE FUNDS, WITH NO "REMORSE," WHAT SO EVER.

SO YOU SEE, THE MORE THE "MIDLAND CHURCH IS EMPTY.,"

THE MORE OF "AN EXCUSE THE GBM HAS TO "SELL IT", AND DEDOSIT THE FUNDS TO THEIR (3) MEMBER CORPORATION , THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS...

WHO IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS????

THE ONES THAT DID "TRY" TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ,

THE PLAINTIFFS, NO ONE "SUPPORTED" THEIR CLAIM!!!!
THE GBM "HAD" TO GET RID OF THEM,

BECAUSE TO "GET RID" OF THE PLAINTIFF,
THE "MAFIA" GBM
"MADE A BIG TIME STATEMENT TO THE REMINDING MINISTERIAL BODY."

"TE SHUPPAS O TE WHATSMADDA"

(TRANSLATED) "YOU SHUT UP OR YOU'LL BE LYNCHED TOOOOOO"

SOMETIMES I WONDER IF BROTHER QUIROZ, BROTHER ALVAREZ, BROTHER ROMO, AND BROTHER, "A NOVICE,"
JOE PRADO, EX-BISHOPS CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT, FOR TELLING SANCHEZ,
"LYNCH" THEM.....

"CON LA VARA QUE MIDES, SERA MEDIDO....."
PALABRA DE DIOS....

WE WILL GET A 'SOON REPORT THAT THE "MIDLAND CHURCH" IS UP FOR SALE,

AND THEN "DO RESEARCH" WHERE THE MONIES WENT....?

PACHECO HAS "PLANS" FOR THE "OLD" CHURCH BROTHER ZUNIGA PASTORED IN MONTEBELLO.

HE IS ALSO PLANNING TO "SELL THE OLD CHURCH OF SAN BERNARDINO, AND "REFINANCE" ONE OF THE CHURCHES IN THE SAN DIEGO AREA, AND ALSO SOME IN TEXAS, AND ARIZONA, AND IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA..

PACHECO... IS LIKE A "LITTLE" NAPOLEON!!!
HAVE YOU SEEN HOW HE STANDS UP THERE IN THE "PODIUM"..
LIKE A LITTLE "NAPOLEON".

HE KEEPS HIS HANDS TO THE "FRONT"

AND "NAPOLEON" ALWAYS KEPT HIS HANDS TO THE "BACK"..
BUT STILL WITH THE SAME "ARROGANCE"
OR COULD IT BE "PRETENSE"???

HE MUST BE "TERRIFIED" THAT SOME BRAVE, "GIDEON, OR DAVID" OR "NABAN" WILL APPROCH HIM AND "TELL HIM HIS VALUE"!!!

IT IS SAID, THAT "NAPOLEON WAS ABONDONED IN AN "OLD CATHOLIC BOYS
CONVENT" AND HIS FATHER TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY NEGLECTED HIM.

NAPOLEON WAS "DISCIPLINED" SO HARSHLY AND ABSIVE BY HIS TEACHERS.

ALL NAPALEON WANTED TO SEE LATER YEARS IN HIS "CONQUESTS" IS "SHEDDING OF BLOOD"
"CONTROL AND MUNIPULATION".....

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PACHECO?????
AND SANCHEZ, AND VALVERDE, MA, AGUILAR AND PRADO AND MDELCAMPO?

THEY "TRIVE" ON ABUSING AND CONTROLLING AND "COLLECTING PEOPLE'S HARD EARNED MONEY.

LIKE "NAPOLEON AND HITLER AND THE CESARS" THAT WERE DIABOLIC ON "COLLECTING TAXES....
THE GBM "COLLECTS, CHURCH BUILDING FUND, THE FLORAZUL PROJECT FUNDS AND OF COURSE HUGE, AN EXPLICABLE CONVENTION OFFERINGS. AND "REFINANCING" AND SELLING CHURCHES..


THE GBM "TRIVES" ON THE LIKES OF WHAT SANCHEZ SAID ABOUT THE PLAINTIFFS..IMAGINE (HIS ) OWN BROTHERS IN THE LORD!!!!!! HE SAID THIS ABOUT THEM....

AND SANCHEZ, TRIES TO SAY HE "PREACHES' ON SAVING SOULS AND LOVING YOUR BRETHREN....AND HE SPEAKS SO DEVILISH.......
MAY THE LORD REBUKE HIM....


AND SANCHEZ SAID THIS ABOUT HIS BRETHREN THE PLAINTIFFS,
"TIENEN QUE VENIR AQUI------ ARASTRANDOSE, Y "PERDIRME PERDON" SANCHEZ SAID,


THIS COMMENT CAN ONLY COME OUT OF A "HEATHEN INDIVIDUAL, AND AN INSANE DEMENTIA INDIVIDUAL...

AND YOU THINK MY DEAR BROTHER LEHAN, THE REST OF THE AA MEMBERS SHOULD MAKE A "REVOLUTION" ON THIS HORRIFIC STATEMENT?.....
BUT NO ONE CARES.....

WHO IN THE WORLD DOES SANCHEZ THINK HE IS?????
GOD? DOES he THINK he is "GOD"? .

IF SANCHEZ SPEAKS LIKE THIS HE HAS TO "REPENT"....AND HE MUST AND SHOULD BE "IMPEACHED".....

WOW, COULD IT BE THAT HIS ALCOHOLIC FATHER ALSO "DISCIPLINED HIM WITH HORRIFIC ABUSE"...

MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US.....

JUST KEEP THIS IN MIND!!!!
PACHECO HAS "NO CONSCIENCE" WOW!!!!

THEY SHOULD ALL BE "RECALLED" AND IMPEACHED....
FOR "MISAPPROPIATION OF FUNDS, FRAUD, SETTING UP ANOTHER CORPORATION ONLY IN (3) NAMES AND

ALSO FOR SPEAKING SO BADLY ABOUT THEIR BRETHREN.
"FOR THEIR NEVER "ENDING" CHURCH BUILDING FUND, AND FOR "REFINANCING ALREADY PAID CHURCHES, AND "SWAPPING" THEM AND SELLING THEM, FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT.........

THANK YOU BROTHER LEHAN...
THANK YOU FOR CARING...JUST KEEP IN MIND, THE "SOON TO BE SOLD MIDLAND CHURCH????

OH BUT THE GBM WILL SURELY GET GOD'S HARSH JUDGEMENT....

GOD BLESS YOU...

Unknown said...

Word has it that there are 100 in number at the Midland church, all business men. They are willing to work for that church's increase both in number and in spirituality.
I here that the lawyer for AT is promising that they will be back in their old chuch by December.
any comments.

lehan said...

nicely put cowboys I hear that the remaining midland church has much less than that. The ones that stayed behind that is why they might have to use there comidor for a sanctuary how sad all that property and they are limited to one Building.

lehan said...

Oh secondly we hear that the Pastor oh I am sorry assitant Pastor said and I quote "Pastor Torres took all the rich people" I hear that all the business men went with Pastor Torres

Remembering said...

Midland Cowboy, I have a question for the Midland church with the AA. If there is a desire to work and win souls why did you all go back into the small sanctuary instead of staying at the church that accomdates 900-1,000 people? Don't you think inviting the surrounding churches to be with you in every service so they can fill the pews will keep you in a comfort zone that winning souls won't matter anymore? Since you all have professionals and CEO's congregating there in the church as cowboy stated when he said you have "businessmen" couldn't they have picked up the tab by payng the mortgage instead of having to go backwards to the smaller church because you couldn't pay the utilities on the larger sanctuary that Pastor Torres built during his administration? This way you all could focus on the souls and fill it up. Just a thought!

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Factsonly1 said...

Why is it you are all obsessed with recruiting? You are all making the Sacrifice of Christ into a big pyramid scheme. Got to build the numbers for what? What a mockery. More people, the more money. Look at the lifestyles of your leaders. What a mockery

sola dei gloria said...
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sola dei gloria said...

The Apostolic Assembly is becoming “seeker sensitive”. Many churches are baptism mills. They have a real talent for reaching people, but no vision for converting the soul.

Factsonly1 said...

No wonder so many people "backslide" or go to real churches. Its all just a pyramid.

sola dei gloria said...

This is what happens when you preach a ‘watered’ down version of the gospel.

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Voice from the Bay said...

-just doing my weekly checkin-

and it appears that you are all still spinning your little wheels...going no where.

this and that...that and this...
Midland this and Bro Torres is a prophet that...

till next week...

bye

elias said...

trophyman said...

TO Elias,

Sorry my friend, your scare tactic is something that might work in a third world country where people are illiterate. Here we are educated! Take your #$@% somewhere else, cause here it stinks!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

paz de cristo

well dear brother trophyman
is not an scary tactic at all,
its called THE WORD OF GOD
and yeah sometimes sounds scary

well education doesnt mean anything
to me,
i hold a bachelor's degree myself and i could be an ignorant......

2Co 3:6 el cual asimismo nos hizo ministros competentes de un nuevo pacto, no de la LETRA, sino del espíritu; porque la LETRA mata, mas el espíritu vivifica.

i can see you all r well educated,

but some need to educate their spirit
blessings to y' all
elias

GQ1973 said...

DON'T MISINTERPRET, I AM MERELY GOING TO GET IN THEIR SHOES FOR A MOMENT:

LET ME SEE, I HAVE "25" MEMBERS, BUT YOU EXPECT ME TO HAVE A SERVICE IN A CHURCH THAT ACCOMODATES 900, I ALSO HAVE A BUILDING THAT ACCOMODATES ABOUT 120, AND A COMEDOR THAT IF ARRANGED CORRECTLY CAN ACCOMODATE ABOUT 100 ON THE LOWER LEVEL, AND SINCE THE CLASSROOMS ARE IN THE UPPER LEVEL, WELL, IT IS OBVIOUS WHICH BUILDING I AM GOING TO USE.

WHY WOULD I WANT TO WASTE ELECTRICITY IN THE LARGER BUILDINGS, WHEN ONE BUILDING FOR NOW WILL SUFFICE FOR WHAT WE NEED AT THIS POINT IN TIME? THERE IS A GREAT MORTGAGE THAT TORRES LEFT BEHIND THAT NO ONE LIKES TO MENTION, AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ALSO. SO SAVING EXTRA MONEY FOR THE MORTGAGE FROM ELECTRICITY SAVINGS WILL HELP US PAY FOR THE BILL LEFT. AND WE DON'T EXPECT ANYONE, BUT OUR LORD TO PROVIDE IN THE TIME OF NEED, AND I AM SURE HE WILL.

WHEN THE NUMBERS REQUIRE A GREATER AREA, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE OLD SANCTUARY, THEN WHEN THAT ONE FILLS UP LIKE BEFORE, THEN WE WILL COMMENCE UNTO THE LARGER BUILDING AND FILL IT UP.

(THIS IS MY THOUGHT: SO IF THEY HOLD THEIR SERVICES IN ANY OF THE BUILDINGS, I THINK SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE DISCRETION OF THOSE THAT ARE AT THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY IN MIDLAND, TX)

GQ1973 said...

elias....

well quoted, but don't worry anytime anyone quotes scriptures, is as if the demons crinch, and you start getting blows from those that "speak truth"

i welcome your comment, for they come from the WORD.

Unknown said...

GQ 1973 -

As much as I agree with all you said.. there is one thing...

"THERE IS A GREAT MORTGAGE THAT TORRES LEFT BEHIND THAT NO ONE LIKES TO MENTION, AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ALSO."

That mortgage doesn't belong to Torres. It belongs to the Apostolic Assembly. Why do you think all this rhetoric is being displayed by the GB. If they lose members they lose income. If they lose income they cant pay for the new building in Fontana. Oh wait... they could refinance the buildings and pull the cash to do that. Oh wait... they already are.

In my opinion, I think the AA is a little scared right now. Good thing they have a new incorporation. Because the current one just might go Bankrupt. All those mortgages under one name. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, will eventually catch up to them. Its like a 21 year old with a brand new credit card. "I'll use it just for emergencies." "Well I want to go to the Dallas game... Ill just put it on the card and pay it off on my next paycheck." "Uh Oh... I dont have the money to pay it. Ill do a cash advace to pay it" "Ohhh a new suit." "Uh Oh.. credit card is maxed out." Collections, Garnishments, BK baby!!!

Happens everyday.

GQ1973 said...

bayne, you are correct. i guess it did not come accross as i thought it would.

my mention of the mortgage was for this reason; 25 members left,and i think the AA is responsible to pay it, yes, but i keep reading blows geared to the 25 members in Midland Church, and don't think it's fair coming from people in AT's church that have left the assembly, kind of mocking at those 25 that probably will not have the money to pay the mortgage, and not to mention that it is always mentioned that the large sanctuary was built under AT. i would not doubt if the building is then sold, or refinanced.

Why? well, for these areas, the AA Nat'l has never really been interested. i think it was one ocassion that Bishop Baldemar Rodriguez visited, other than that it was normally a rep that would be sent from the Nat'l Board.
and that probably goes for districts that are not really well off(financially speaking).

Remembering said...

Someone in Midland, is it true that the Assistant-Pastor Leyva who stayed behind with the AA said after Pastor Torres baptized 13 souls at his last service there at the church that the baptisms were invalid because his benefits and credential had been taken away by the AA. What about the Apostle Peter and those 3,000 he baptized was that invalid too? Does this mean these souls have to be baptized again by someone who has his credentials with the AA in order for them to be saved.

Unknown said...

Hey man I was just reporting what I had heard from a reliable source, you keep bashing the remnant that stayed behind. I know AT, he is a friend of thefamily and I wish him well and pray to Jesus the he prospers numerically and spiritually just as I pray for the ones in the Midland church. I feel sorry for you if that is your focus, on where they have have services. I pray for their success also.

Unknown said...

LETS GIVE BOTH SIDES A CHANCE AND SEE THAT THE LORD WILL BE WITH BOTH GROUPS.

Remembering said...

Cowboy are you a member from Pastor Torres church? My friend said that when Pastor Torres prayed in the closing of their 12th year Church Festival he ask for God's blessing over the church in Midldand where he used to pastor. I can see why, a big part of his father's ministry as well as his is still there. To be honest with you I couldn't do that after someone hurts me. I quess that is why he was the pastor there and not me. I would have jumped to the opportunity but of course I was never asked.

WatchOut! said...

I wish we would all just drop all this Midland vs. Odessa or those that stayed vs. those that left business. This is all so very hurtful to so many of us and adding salt to the wounds is just not helping. Let's all just try to get over it and accept the decisions that each one of us have made and go with it before we all become bitter and our christian growth becomes stunted. We all have a lot of work to do. The hermanos left at the church have to work hard in order to keep it and we who left with Pastor Torres have to work hard to get a church. Let's thank God we're off to a great start!

My only disgust is with the manner in which Marcelino Leyva and Roy Almendarez acted. Who cares if they wanted to go or stay the fact is that they were deceivers and played a little game with the hermanos. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAUSED DIVISION. Roy Almendarez wasn't even a member of the Midland church. These are some of the so-called leaders left in the church and that's pretty sickening. As for the rest of the hermanos who remained for whatever their reasons I do wish them God's best, that's what Pastor Torres exhorted us to do. I think there are a lot of innocent people being hurt by all this. So people let's try to keep the bashing at a minimum. I'm sure we wouldn't want to be responsible for someone's fall. God bless.

WatchOut! said...

And yes our Festival was a great success with many, many hermanos. We were happy to see some of the members who remained at the church. Also some hermanos from the surrounding churches who came to enjoy in the festivities and support us. Apparently it was our greatest festival yet. Thanks to all of the hermanos who joined us for the good food, christian socializing and worship.

porq said...

The fire have started up again illy
Is it safe to still put the Bflame on Danny Sanchez. No but unless he is still singin' Quemame out of key

Is it true that Abel Aguilar is strongly considering resigning or stepping down from his DGB office?!

Unknown said...

Yikes!!!

trophyman said...

To Gone Queer in 1973:

You said, "WHY WOULD I WANT TO WASTE ELECTRICITY IN THE LARGER BUILDINGS, WHEN ONE BUILDING FOR NOW WILL SUFFICE FOR WHAT WE NEED AT THIS POINT IN TIME? THERE IS A GREAT MORTGAGE THAT TORRES LEFT BEHIND THAT NO ONE LIKES TO MENTION, AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ALSO. SO SAVING EXTRA MONEY FOR THE MORTGAGE FROM ELECTRICITY SAVINGS WILL HELP US PAY FOR THE BILL LEFT. AND WE DON'T EXPECT ANYONE, BUT OUR LORD TO PROVIDE IN THE TIME OF NEED, AND I AM SURE HE WILL."

Here is what the Lord will do! He will give you strength so that you and your cohorts can get your asses to work! So get with it you idiot! It takes getting your hands dirty! Just ask any of the Torres family they know! You Fool!

As for Elias:

I totally forgot that Halloween was around the corner, I totally understand your tactic! There is a proverb that says that (he who blows his nose hard will draw blood) you might want to keep a hanky handy my friend!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

Think and think again said...

To thought for today:
I always knew about this
occasion of the "Valentine Party'
When Sammy was "sentenced by
his father in-law,
David Contrereas, Sammy's
mentor.

Sammy learned "everything" from
David Contereas, ask Brother
Saul Avila whose father was
"persecuted" by David Contereas,
ask Misael Zaragosa, when David
Contereas, refused to give
him the church of Otay.

No wonder Sammy "aged" before
his time.
To live with Rachel and Cecea
Aguilar, has not been easy.
Sammy hated Aguilar.
But Cesea, being a know it
all knew how to "do politics"
through herself and Rachel.
We saw it going on and happening.
Who was Sammy lost loves?

I can remember three. But none
of them are in the AA.
The three are all working
in Independent Churches with
their Pastor husbands.

Poor Sammy. No wonder he is
so bitter and angry. And
destructive. I would too
if I had to wake up and see
Rachel.

Its not our fault you were
brought into a "shot gun
situation. But you are
making the AA pay for
your stupidity.
You should have waited
on the Lord, you wouldn't
be so angry, bitter and
cruel and doing fraud.
With votes and refinancing
properties and selling
properties of the AA
that do not belong
to you.

Little Eddie said...

Shot Gun Wedding huh?

Well at least he got his dream to be on the DGB.

Not to bad......He knows how to use the paper bag....LOL

Little Eddie said...

Heard that 2 vote really wanted to marry Smurfette from the smurfs,( just his size)

No wonder he is a bitter little shrimp

polloloco said...

HI EVERYBODY PRAISE THE LORD!! I HEARD FROM RELIABLE SOURCES IN THE SOUTH TEXAS DISTRICT THAT BRO. ANDY PROVENCIO MIGHT BE DOWN THERE FOR THE LOCAL DISTRICT CONVENTION. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THEY ARE SENDING BRO. PROVENCIO DOWN THERE INSTEAD OF PACHECO, VALVERDE, O PRADO? THEY MIGHT BE SCARED OR DONT HAVE THE GUTS TO FACE THE NUMEROUS BALDEMAR RODRIGUEZ RELATIVES THAT RESIDE IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY REGION. AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW THE VALLEY OF TEXAS IS WHERE BRO. BALDEMAR RODRIGUEZ IS FROM. ALSO BRO. BENJAMIN CANTU IS FROM SOUTH TEXAS, I THINK MISSION, TEXAS. ANYWAYS, I JUST FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT NO GB MEMBER WILL BE ATTENDING THIS DISTRICT CONVENTION IN SOUTH TEXAS. TIENEN MIEDO, NO TIENEN VALOR!!! CHICKEN CHICKEN, CHICKENS!!!!

porq said...

M-13, the Rio Grande/Valle de Tejas massacre has been called off! Now since no DGb'ers will be coming ...
copy that!? yas playin' hombre mira

SLJ said...

Yeah Eddie still has a rash on his ass from the last time he was in TX.

If Malverde goes they might think its Salinas from Mexico and deport him.

If Del Taco Campo goes he is to close to the border and the AA of Mexico might send a hanging party.

If Aguilar goes they might think he is Speedy Gonzalez with all the screaming.

Sanchez doesn't want to be anywhere near Ediburg TX, I think thats where his bro commited his crimes.

Unknown said...

Always wanting to know where people are from, jeeeeeesh. I am far from the Northwest District of Texas, but do have insights in there. Very well put "caminando voy".

Thought for the day said...

TO ALL BLOGGERS,
PRAISE THE LORD:

HEARD FROM THE GBM OFFICES IN CUCAMONGA, MY FRIEND AND "UNDER THE RADAR" INFORMER, THAT THESE "BLOGS" OR COMMENTS HAVE THE GBM EXTREMELY ANGRY.

MY SOURCE SAID, THAT THERE IS ONE ASSIGNED "EVERY DAY BE AT THE BLOGS" TO "REPORT" TO "VALVERDE," AND PACHECO, ESPECIALLY AND SANCHEZ ON WHAT IS BEING "STATED".

BUT I told my brother in the Lord and friend, ,

that if Sanchez wants to stop this he has to "return back the Property he fraudalently "stole" from the Estate of Narciso and Carmen Romero, where Sanchez lives with La Distinguida, and with his twice divorced daughter Sandra.

Also I told my friend, that if Sanchez wants this stopped he has to "Reconciled with the Plaintiffs, and stop pretending he is God, forgiver of all things."

And also Sanchez, has to "discipline" his brother Eliseo Sanchez, that is now Pastoring in the Richmond, Va., church, under the auspices of the Apostolic Assembly.Full "pledged" credential minister.

Many brethren still have the newspaper article that came out in Texas, when Eliseo was pastoring in Houston, Texas and he was "soliciting his wife" for Univeristy Students in Texas.

Eliseo was arrested and jailed., But later Brother Nava, "forgave him," and sent him to pastor in Las Vegas, Nevada and then he was sent to Florida.

Why doesn't Sanchez do anything about this if he thinks he is "SO ROYALLY JUST"?

IF sanchez "LYNCHED", BISHOP BALDEMAR, BISHOP SALOMON AND BISHOP ABEL TORRES, AND PASTOR SAUL AVILA AND PASTOR WILLY MENDOZA,

FOR SOMETHING "MUCH LESS", WHICH WAS DONE,
BECAUSE THE GBM "REFUSED" TO HAVE ANOTHER THIS TIME, TO BE A "CLEAN ELCTION".BUT THE GBM REFUSED.

THEN WHY DID SANCHEZ, STATE,

"THAT THE ONLY WAY HE WOULD OR MAYBE NOT, THAT HE WOULD "FORGIVE" THE PLAINTIFFS WAS IF:

"THEY WOULD COME "DRAGGING" THEMSELVES ON THE "SOLID GROUND," AND BEG FOR MERCY ON THEIR KNEES."

CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS COMING OUT OF A VERY UNEDUCATED "COMMON AS DIRT, INDIVIDUAL"......

BECAUSE THE BIBLE STATES, " YOU WERE FORMED FROM DUST, AND TO DUST YOU WILL RETURN."

CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS "MADE OUT OF DIRT INDIVIDUAL" STATING THIS "HORRIFIC HOLIDIER THAN THOU, ATTITUDE????????"STATEMENT..

THIS SANCHEZ, IF YOU DO THIS ABOVE MENTIONED THINGS.
THEN MAYBE, "NOT FOR SURE," THIS "COMMENTS" WILL CEASE.....

BECAUSE YOU ARE, VALVERDE, PACHECO, AGUILAR,MA, PRADO, MARTIN DELCAMPO AND ESPINOZA ARE "HEARTLESS"!!!!

MAKING ANOTHER CORPORATION TO "TRANSFER" MONIES FROM THE AA,
"REFINANCING CHURCHES, SELLING CHURCHES, EXCHANGING CHURCHES, AND SELLING THE ONE THAT WILL "BRING YOU MORE "PROFIT"....

"MAKING THIS CORPORATION IN TEXAS IN YOUR THREE NAMES.,1. SANCHEZ,
VALVERDE AND PACHECO...

SHAME ON YOU....HOW DARE YOU?

HOW DARE YOU??????

MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US AND ON THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY..


AS FAR AS THE MIDLAND CHURCH, I HEARD FROM VERY RELIABLE SOURCES, THAT THE "LEFT BEHIND" CONGREGATION STARTED TO HAVE SERVICES IN THE "OLD CHURCH,BUILT BY PASTOR VALENTIN TORRES,

BECAUSE THE lEFT BEHIND CONGREGATION FELT IT WAS BETTER TO CONGREGATE IN A SMALLER CHURCH, SINCE THEY ARE "JUST A FEW".,\

BUT THEN SOME INFORMER, LIKE ALWAYS---- CALLED "MANDADERO NAPOLEON"--
PACHECO, AND PACHECO WAS "FURIOUS" AND "DEMANDED THAT THE CONGREGATION GO BACK AND HAVE THE NEXT SERVICES IN THE LARGE TEMPLE.....

NOW ALSO THE "LEFT BEHIND CONGREGATION WAS "UNDER THE "FALSE" IMPRESSION THAT THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS OF THE MORTAGE, WERE GOING TO BE PAID BY THE AA.
IMAGINE????

ANOTHER FURIOUS EXPLOSION..., FOR "LITTLE NAPOLEON"....HE WAS FURIOUS AND SAID,

"NO WAY THE AA IS GOING TO PAY "YOUR MORTAGE", YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND ALSO FOR THE UTILITY BILLS ETC.,
IMAGINE WHAT AN INFINTILE MENTALITY...
THE AA OWNS THIS PROPERTY AND THE "WORSHIPPERS" IN ALL SERIOUSLY I SAY THIS. THE ONE "WORSHIPPPING THE LORD"
HAVE TO PAY THE MORTAGE TO THE AA THAT "REALLY OWNS IT".

SO IS THE "LEFT BEHIND CONGREGATION" PAYING "RENT"???

WOW MA YOU ARE "REALLY" A BAD TREASURER!!!!!..
\
HELLO?
DID THIS INNOCENT BROTHERS OF THE "LEFT BEHIND" CONGREGATION THINK THAT THE AA IS FOR THEM AND WITH THEM.???????..
NO!!!!!!!!!THE GBM IS FOR "NO ONE BUT FOR THEMSELVES.!!!!!

THE GBM WANT THIS PROPERTY OF THE MIDLAND CHURCH TO "DEFAULT" SO THE "HUNGER WOLVES" CAN COME AND RESCUE IT AND "SELL IT"!!!!

THIS WAY IF THEY SELL IT, THEN THE MORTAGE IS PAID BY THE "NEW BUYER"

AND THE REST IS FOR "THE NEW FORMED CORPORATION AA OF TEXAS, WITH THREE BOARD MEMEBERS,OWNED BY PACHECO, VALVERDE AND SANCHEZ!!!!

HOW SAD!!!!!!....ALWAYS THE GBM WORK IN FRAUD AND IN DECEIT AND FOR "SELF GAIN"..


HOW ELSE CAN THEY MAKE THEIR CEHCKS OUT MONTHLY FOR $10,000.00 PER MONTH?

AND IF THIS IS NOT ENOUGH, THEN THE "OTHER SALARY OF $5,000.00 FROM THEIR CHURCH..THE GBM CONSIDERS THIS "JUST A SUPPLEMENT'.
AND LET US NOT FORGET THE "FOREVER BUILDING FUND PROJECT"...

"GOD PLEASE HEAR OUR PRAYERS."
DEAR LORD YOU SAID IN YOUR HOLY
WORD,
"THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE ASK IN "PRAYER", BELIEVING, WE SHALL
RECEIVE"..
THANK YOU LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!

"EXPOSE THESE GBM AND PURGE THEM DEAR LORD." IN JESUS NAME..AMEN.

porq said...

And if O'Prado goes, they may juana say Oh, brado where were thou? Come follow me fellow and then zacatelas!

If Artie Espinoza goes, they may say hey Mr. Bean alli! Shower him w/ black, pinto & green frijoles...

polloloco said...

HERMANOS, WHAT WERE THE CRIMES ELISEO SANCHEZ COMITTED IN TEXAS? IT HAPPENED IN EDINBURG, TX?? IF SOMEONE CAN PLEASE ELLABORATE ON THAT, I HEARD IT BEFORE BUT I NEVER KNEW WHAT EXACTLY HE DID. IM PRETTY SURE IT WAS BAD SINCE NOW WE ARE LEARNING THAT THIS BROTHER HAS QUITE A REPUTATION. ON ANOTHER NOTE, THIS WHOLE STRATEGY OF JESUS I THINK IS JUST ANOTHER COPYCAT OF THE G-12 SECT AND THE CASH LUNA MAFIA. HOW SAD THAT THIS ANTI BIBLICAL MOVEMENT IS INFILTRATING IN THE ASSEMBLY. IT RESEMBLES THE EGO AND THE AMBITIONS OF THE GB TO GROW IN GREATER PROPORTIONS BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE MEANS MORE MONEY OF COURSE. SE ACABO LA PASION POR EVANGELIZAR Y SALVAR ALMAS, AHORA LAS VEMOS CON SIGNOS DE DOLARES Y DE PESOS! ESTAMOS TENIENDO QUE RECURRIR A METODOS Y ESTRATEGIAS DE PIRAMIDE PARA HACER CRECER LA IGLESIA A COMO DE LUGAR AUN SABIENDO QUE EL CRECIMIENTO LO DA DIOS!!! Y EL LO HACE TODO PERFECTO; JESUS DID NOT IMPLEMENTED A METHOD OR STRATEGY; I DONT KNOW HOW THIS CAME ABOUT, AND IT SHOCKS ME THAT THE ASSEMBLY IS BUYING THIS SYSTEM THAT AT LARGE IS GOING TO DIVIDE AND DESTROY THE CHURCH. PLEASE LORD DONT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. SOUNDS LIKE MARTIN DEL TACO BROUGHT THIS GARBAGE WITH HIM FROM THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO WHERE I KNOW THIS SYSTEM IS A BIG DEAL AND IT HAS BECOME THEIR DOCTRINE. QUE PENA Y TRISTEZA, WE HAVE LOST OUR FOCUS AND NUESTRO PRIMER AMOR.

Being here and there said...

Ross:
Andy Provencio, always puzzled us???
Made by Brother Daniel Jauhall, who was secretary of Missions, and sent Brother Provenio instead and this way D. Jauhall "hurt" others that wanted to go to the Missionary Field, because Jauhall could not "munipulate"

He had several "mijos"
Abel Aguilar, Andy Provencio, Gaddi Vasquez, his nephew in law;
Benny Diaz, Ariel Meza, Richard Almaraz, and others.

But Why Andy Provencio?. Because Jauhall deprived others who "really wanted to go and were even Requested by the brothers from the third world countries.

Jauhall even sent Brother Provencio to Italy and to South America.

But what a wammo for Brother Juahll , the church that Brother Jauhall wanted the "most" but was
"dismissed from", the Church in San Jose. Is now Pastored by Brother Andy Provencio!!!!!

things really revolve don't they??

The Mesa directiva, prabaly sent Brother Provencio, because maybe San Jose is one of the churches to "be or has been money taken from it."

porq said...

They say,"Don't mess w/Texas!", but they still didn't learn that DGBers!

btw We have all noticed that they believe that the AA Inc is theirs...without question or vote!

and that their divine calling or "minstry" is to: bound up more the afflicted,
keep breakin the kneecaps of pastors
, mud-sling righteous men, smear the reputation of dissenters, and to kill the worship in Abels! aka (Cain) a brother-killing spirit.. And lastly continue the work of Herod...the Christ killing spirit!

The Lord God of hosts will DECIDE!

porq said...

oops ... I should say "Meanstry" ...

Good nite, happy trials n trails 2 U

What-Ever!! said...

Awhile back Bro. Valverde had a preaching entitled "Frogs in Your Fountain" actually plagarized from a message of Mark Hanby "Frogs in Your Pond" It was a message of the three spirits that John saw in the Revelation of Jesus Christ and called three spirits like frogs.

In that preaching Bro. Hanby makes a point that in order to understand Revelation one must see the book of Jude as the gateway of Revelation and he says that the three unclean spirits like frogs are; CAIN, BAALAM and KORAH.

Let me give you a commentary by Johnathan Gill a well known commentarist by theologians. That eliminates the majority here, but let me entertain the knowledgable of the Word. This commentary is of verse 11 of the Book of Jude enjoy and you discern who's who.

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them,.... This may be considered as a commiseration of their case, or as a denunciation of deserved punishment, or as a prediction of what would befall them. The Arabic version prefaces these words with an address to the saints, "O my beloved": that what was about to be said might be attended to, as a caution and instruction to them,

For they have gone in the way of Cain; which was a way of envy, for Cain envied the acceptance of his brother's gift, and that notice which the Lord took of him; so these men envied the gifts bestowed on Christ's faithful ministers, and the success that attended their labours, and the honour that was put upon them by Christ, and that was given them by the churches; which shows, that they were destitute of grace, and particularly of the grace of charity, or love, which envies not, and that they were in an unregenerate estate, and upon the brink of ruin and destruction. Moreover, the way of Cain was a way of hatred, and murder of his brother, which his envy led him to; so these men hated the brethren, persecuted them unto death, as well as were guilty of the murder of the souls of men, by their false doctrine: to which may be added, as another of Cain's ways, in consequence of the former, absence from the presence of God, or the place of his worship; so these men separated themselves, and went out from the churches, forsook the assembling together with them, and so might expect Cain's punishment, to be driven from the face of God; yea, to be bid go as cursed into everlasting burnings:

and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward; Balaam's error, which he himself was guilty of, was covetousness, or an immoderate love of money, 2Pe_2:15; which, as it is the root of all evil, is the bane of religion, and the source of heresy, and what the false teachers were greatly addicted to; and where it prevails, it is insatiable, and not to be checked and stopped, as in these men; and is a damnable sin, and excludes from the kingdom of heaven, as well as is dishonourable to religion; hence such particular notice is taken of it, lest it be found in a minister of the word: this character exactly agrees with the followers of Simon Magus. The error which Balaam led others into, was both idolatry and adultery, Rev_2:14, which these false teachers were both guilty of themselves, and taught others, and indulged them therein; and which both teachers and people ran greedily after. Balaam is one of the four private persons, who, according to the Jews, shall have no part or portion in the world to come (w),

And perished in the gainsaying of Core: the same with Korah, Num_16:1. The Septuagint there call him Core, and so does Philo the Jew (x), as the apostle does here, and by Josephus he is called (y) "Cores": now the gainsaying or contradiction of these men was like Korah's; as his was against Moses, the ruler of the people, so theirs was against magistracy, Jud_1:8; which was gainsaying God's own ordinance, and a contradiction of that which is for the good of men; the ground of which contradiction was love of liberty, and their own lusts; and, generally speaking, men perish in their factions and rebellions against good and lawful magistrates: also, as Korah gainsayed Aaron, the priest of the Lord, so these men contradicted and opposed the ministers of Christ, whom they would have thrust out in order to put in themselves, and whose persons they reviled, and contradicted their doctrines, which to do is of dangerous consequence; and they might be said to perish in his gainsaying, as a type and example of their destruction, which would be swift and sudden, as his was; and to denote the certainty of it. So the Jews (z) say of Korah and his company, that they shall never ascend, or rise up and stand in judgment, and that they shall have no part or portion in the world to come (a),


GBU

letsgetready said...

Man oh man...people what is going on here? I tell you, I step away for some odd number of years and man!!!!!

"King of evictions" Sanchez, "Money Bags of valVERDE", "can't meet height requirement" Pachueco and Ma. What have you four been up too? The things ya'll are doing would make the ex board members of Enron, Tyco.etc, proud.

And then we got your mudslinging, "I can now get righteous now because now I can publicly show my distaste for certain people" such as Omar Arreola c'mon man of little stature. Your daddy taught you better than that. I wonder what 7 foot Joann would say of her kids daddy. No, not her first baby daddy. But the other one, Omar of course, sillies. I bet you and Nurse Roy Armendariz sit together at the Starbucks conjuring up all the zany and witty things yall have been posting.

I am calling out to ya'll. Im tired of reading all the postings of hurtful words to the brave men that choose to stand up for whats right. I mean ya'll honestly believe that Pastors: Rodriguez, Torres, Solomon, Avila, and so on...are the culprits. For standing up in what is right. Ya'll really think they are in the wrong? Don't ya'll? Thats cute.

Let's see...at the general election in 06..."You see hermano clearly you got the majority of the vote but since you are not of us, eventhough its wrong, you are not the winner...it just so happens that hermano "get your hands out of my pockets" Pachueco received two votes, has won. Dont be alarmed...we handpicked him. God told us so."

Is that how it went Sanchez? Man, I remember when I first saw you way back in convention many years ago in Cali. When you were VP. I always had this nudging feeling about you. Turns out I was right.

Valverde...we talked briefly in Kansas...I bet you don't remember...probably because...at that time I owned no property. I smelled shyster from the beginning...dividing up the church. Must run in the family. I met and sadly hanged out with your son Tim, back at the Houston convention. Hey Tim, every night your hotel room...seemed like a rap video. And no I don't have that. (wink wink)

Pachueco...Im just glad that the organization of Ministers In Doing unGodly unEthical TaskS (MIDGETS) has finally found some representation.

And Ma what can I say that many people now know about you?...Plenty of course, but we'll save that for a later day.

Anyways all joking aside. Im here. Turns out Ill be here for awhile. CMON.

Remembering said...

I'm out of here! This is starting to get really ugly!! As "thought for the day" stated the "innocent" (refering to the Midland Church) that stayed behind is taking the beatings for the "Dishonorable General Board" actions because they thought the DGB really cared for them. It is really sad (Midland church) believed "Roy" and the GB.
Caminando voy said what is really sad is how many will fall because of what these men who are mention above did to God's children.
Roy, this message is for you "the wrath of God will come upon you for being part of this confusion in Midland" may God have mercy on your soul and your family. Unfortunately, the innocent in our families pay for our wickedness too unless we repent and come humbly before the throne of God and seek his mercy then he can forgive us. I pray you open your eyes before it's too late!

Quintus said...

Greetings bloggers,

Let there be no question as to the shroud of gross darkness which has consumed the leadership of the Apostolic Assembly. Allow me to say with love and great reluctance: many who have expressed their posted comments throughout the duration of this entire predicament have only deepened the wounds of those have fallen victim to the tyranny of the AA leadership.

Friends, while we realize that a great portion of the laity have kept steadfast loyalty to the AA, many of them, as well as countless others hurt deeply even as we continue to post comments because of their anger and disappointment over the decisions of those shepherding their respective congregations, and their higher authorities. It would be most important to pray for the families who have suffered as a result of the church splits which have erupted across the organization.

Let be also said that the Apostolic Assembly is not evil in itself; it is the leadership which helms her course that reflects as such. Solomon has declared to us, "When the wicked shall rule, the people shall mourn." This is true for the AA; it is a time of mourning. But as we continue to pray, we have a promise from the Lord spoke through the Psalmist saying, "Though sorrow may last through the night, His joy shall come in the morning."

Know that God is raising up a standard in this hour against the gates of hell. That standard is the Apostolic church of the living God. Be encouraged today; do not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

A message to the Daniel Sanchez, and the General Board of Directors: you were correct in saying that the Apostolic church is strong and well. However, this is only because our Lord Jesus hath given His church her increase, and not through a panel of men's vain deceits. Our sister churches, the UPCI, PAW and ALJC are praying fervently for our brethren. No team of lawyers will be necessary to obtain proper justice. Our help comes from the Lord, He who preserves our souls. Your strategies for justifying your malicious actions with doctors of jurisprudence are minuscule. The Apostolic Assembly will soon rise again and flourish in spiritual excellence and continue to share in the great commission of reach a lost and dying world with the saving Gospel of our Jesus Christ. General Board, your day is ending; night is coming for you.

May God strengthen both the AA and the new fellowship now being developed, and our sister Apostolic fellowships, which are all the body of Christ.

James Q. Thompson

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come again said...

Thought for the day

Hats off to you dear! I love your writings.

"COMMON AS DIRT, INDIVIDUAL"......

BECAUSE THE BIBLE STATES, " YOU WERE FORMED FROM DUST, AND TO DUST YOU WILL RETURN."

CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS "MADE OUT OF DIRT INDIVIDUAL" STATING THIS "HORRIFIC HOLIDIER THAN THOU, ATTITUDE????????"STATEMENT..

I laughed until I needed another depend pamper and my $75 monthly check from the gb isn't even here yet. You haven't heard if they're gonna suspend our monthly sustenance have you?

God bless you.

Unknown said...

I heard first hand that roy a. and leyva were told and prohibited from saying anything negative about the whole situation from the Bishop of Northwest Texas.

Fast_not_diet said...

Does anyone have email info for Bro Carlos Alvares form Denver Colorado? I would like to contact him...

Unknown said...

Fast_not_diet

I do, shoot me and email.

joshbayne80@gmail.com

justice_will_prevail said...

to fast_not_diet said...
Does anyone have email info for Bro Carlos Alvares form Denver Colorado? I would like to contact him...

October 14, 2008 2:06 PM

walla...

carlosivan07@aol.com

Remembering said...

Cowboys: Yeah! So what happen? Why did they let their tongues get loose by defaming the character of Pastor Abel Torres. It really doesn't matter anymore what they should or what they shouldn't have done. They can't take their words back anymore because the damage has already been done. Too late!!

LightHouse said...

Greetings, in Jesus Name!

I hope this finds you all in good health, in the name of the Lord.

I Have 7 things to share, may god help me. It is truth about the Denver Summit.

1. The Denver Apostolic Summit was a conference.

2. We had business sessions and preachings nightly

3. It was approved that every local church be autonomous, self governed.

4. It was approved the the organization to temporarily have six national directors. The directors will register the new fellowship. The name is pending. A convention shall be held in a few months to elect the general officials, but NO HIERARCHICAL SYSTEM WILL BE IMPLEMENTED SUCH AS THE ONE USED BY THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY.

5. This new fellowship will not make use of the titles President, Bishop, nor elders.

6. The doctrine is Apostolic and solely based on the Bible.

7. Local Church and National Board may have an advisory committee to oversee.

I am readily available to answer questions regarding the summit and the new fellowship started by the plaintiffs.

I have found thoughtfortheday a reliable source of uninhibited, unfiltered TRUTH.

Believe what he says.

Brother thoughtfortheday go forth in the name of the Lord.

sola dei gloria said...

Lighthouse

Thank you for the information.

First, I beg to differ on your comment about Thought for the Day.

He has said many untrue things about me.

Next, does the new organization have a statement of faith?

Many people use “solely based on the bible”.

The mouth says one thing, but their actions affirm something else.

MaytheLordwatch said...

So just a question what are is going to happen if the those that have left come back especially if John arcovio said. What is going to happen then to all those people that have been talking about these men. What if God brings them back in. On another note. Are we not able defend others on here. Many others have defended those that have stayed can we not defend those that have left.
Now that is unfair that you all can critize us but when we do it we are sinning. Word on the street is that the people that are supposedly forbidden to say anything are still saying things I have heard not from one but many others here in town.

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Thought for the day said...

Sola:
It doesn't matter if it you per se, it matters that you do not "seem", DO NOT GET IT!!!
THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS OF THE GBM ARE SO 'PUFFED UP WITH "SELF gLORY AND MUNIPULATION AND CONTROL AND SELF RIGHTESNESS, THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE "SAY AND SAY AND SAY AGAIN AND AGAIN" OF THEIR "CONSPIRACY, OF FORMING A CORPORATION IN TEXAS, A SEPARATE ENTITY, FROM THE AA,
AND TO SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN"THE REFINANCING OF CHURCHES., AND FOR A "FACT" "HORRIFIC PLANS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE CHURCH, PASTOR ZUNIGA "LEFT". FROM THE AA!!!

AND THE REASON I KEEP WRITING "ON THE GBM (SOME OF THEM) NOT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THAT I KNOW ON THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.

"IS ONLY" AND "BECAUSE"......"ONLY AND BECAUSE " THEY NEED TO BE "REMINDED" DAY IN AND DAY OUT THAT "THE GBM SHOULD NOT "JUSTIFY THEMSELVES, AS "HOLY, HIGHER THAN THOU ATTITUDE".
TELLING THE PLAINTIFFS THAT THEY "HAVE TO "CRAWL ON THEIR KNEES" AND "BEG" "FOR" "FORGIVENESS"

"FORGIVENESS FROM WHOM?????"

FROM THE GBM?

THIS IS THE "LIMIT" AND YET WE DON'T SAY ENOUGH OF THEIR SINS?

THE WAY THAT THEY ARE "TAKING THINGS INTO "THEIR OWN HANDS", AND "REFINANCING CHURCHES, THAT DO NOT BELONG TO THEM, BUT TO THE AA; AND THE PLANS "PACHECO HAS TO "SWAP AND SELL" THE CHURCHES, AND THE CHURCH OF "EL sILOE" THAT THEY "REFINANCE" OVER AND OVER...

THESE ARE THE THINGS, THEY NEED TO BE "REMINDED OF, AND TRANSFERRING THE AA MONIES TO THE NEW CORPORATION OF TEXAS...

"REMINDED TOO THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE AA ARE "NOT IN DENIAL OF WHAT IS GOING ON". THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT "THE MINISTERIAL BODY AND THE MEMBERS ARE NOT HAVING A "REVOLT" IS BECAUSE "WE HAVE BEEN 'TRAINED" TO "WAY WE HAVE BEEN "CONDITIONED" TO RESPECT THE "HONORABLES.".

AND THE "REAL REASON" IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT WE ARE NOT UNITED!!

IF ONE DARES TO "SPEAK UP" LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BISHOPS....
FROM THE PLAINTIFF'S SIDE OF "JUSTICE".
BUT WHEN ALL THIS IS GOING ON AND WE ALL NEED TO "UNITE" AND SPEAK OUT IN THE ONLY WAY WE CAN...
THE "BLOGS", WITH A 'TRMENDOUS OUT REACH"...
WELL THEN YOU COME OUT WITH "YOUR OWN COMMENTS, THAT ARE "TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT."

SURE, THEY ARE WELL WRITTEN AND WELL EXPLAINED, AS IF YOU ARE GIVING US A SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE "REAL ISSUE?

THAT THE GBM THINKS THEY ARE ALL POWERFUL, ACCORDING TO THEIR FOOLISH THEORIES, AND THAT THE ARE "TRANSFERRING THE AA PROPERTIES, AND MONIES, TO THE NEW FORMED CORPORATION.
WHAT ABOUT THAT?
DON'T YOU CARE, DON'T YOU LOVE THE AA MEMBERS THAT NEED TO KNOW THESE TRUTHS.

THE ONLY "ONE" THAT CAN STOP THESE INDIVIDUALS IS "OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!!!! THE POWER OF THE LORD. "HAVING THE LORD REBUKE THEM IN HIS HOLY NAME."

AND TO EXPPOSE THEM, OUT FROM "THEIR HOLIER THAN THOU AND IVORY TOWER ATTITUDE." REBUKE THEM IN JESUS NAME.

MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU...
YOUR COMMENTS, "APPEAR" TO BE IN "FAVOR" OF WHAT MARTIN DEL CAMPO IS DOING. THE CID, "REENCUENTROS", G-12 FROM CASTELLANOS; SA.ALL 'BROUGHT TO SANCHEZ AND THE REST FROM LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO.


AND I "READ YOU AS PARCIAL TO HIM".

I ONLY REPLY TO YOU BECAUSE I SHOULD BE COURTEOUS...

GOD BLESS YOU. IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE AA FOR 25 YEARS THEN I DO NOT KNOW YOU PERSONALLY..
BUT IAM SURE IF YOU WOULD BE IDENTIFIED I WOULD KNOW OF YOU..

THANK YOU.

SolidRock said...

To Lighthouse...
Thank you for lending yourself as a source of information regarding the new fellowship. The following are my questions....

1. Are you the official spokesperson for this fellowship?

2. Are you one of the directors?

3. Were all appointed directors present at the selection meeting?

4. Tafoya was mentioned as one of the directors in a previous blog. Is this appointment being reconsidered due to the pending fraud charges against him?

5. Will the directors, or will the congregation have the right to replace a Pastor if he is guilty of any wrong doing?

6. Will women be allowed to preach from the pulpit?

7. Will this fellowship practice the head covering, allow wedding bands, and allow women to wear pants?

8. Will members be given or have the right to financial statements?

9. Do you know of any Pastors who will be joining this fellowship & establishing a church from AZ, TX, or NM?

10. What are the requirements a Pastor must have to join the fellowship?

11. Do you have a date and location for your convention?

Look forward to your response. God Bless you.

lehan said...

The fact is people that the Gb has done wrong. Four men have brought eight GB members to their knees that is why they are trying to get rid of them. Man alone cannot bring anyone down but it is through the power of God. Four men have the eight board members scared that is why they have to higher security four men who no longer are even in the assembly are pulling down the GB kingdom here on earth. Four mean have been able to do what no other man or women have been able to do in our history. Why do you think they pulled away their churches and a title is because the GB is running scared? Why do you think their churches are getting vandalized? It is because it is not these four men it is what God is doing through these four men.

Saul chased David even into the hills and caves. To try to destroy him and that is what the GB is doing.

They are chasing the David's even into the hills.

God is changing the church. Like it or not folks God is still moving the church in a different direction.

Why do you think this new organization is such a threat is because it is destroying the mentalities of the Old and going a new direction?

Why do you think these men have been able to do this it is not by their power but it is by the Hand of God that has allowed them to get through this?

I am sorry if you like the old ways but they are out dated. The Board thinks they have these men bended down on their knees and as fact it is reverse.

God is tired of this mess of politics and abuse that is why he has allowed these four to shake the very foundations of out dated beliefs.

Saul felt he could destroy David and in turn God pushed David forward yes he had his faults and yes he had made mistakes but God still called him a man after his own heart.

Saul reminds me a lot of Valverde. So this is a message to Valverde you thought you could eliminate the people that where a threat to you. First Fortino and Solomon then the other three Baldemar, Torres, and Avila, then Zuniga, and now Tafoya, next it is going to be Martin Del Campo because you are building up a file against him to get him out of the way.

Abner Arias said that the worst thing the President could have done was allowed Artie Espinoza to be on the board.

See Valverde your path of destruction speaks for itself.

I hope you are ready to see all that slip away.

Unknown said...

Remembering
You asked what happenend? I don't know but I agree, words are like toothpaste, once its out, can't put it back in. From what I know
LIGHTHOUSE, as I previosly stated that there will be one supervisor and that Bro. BR did not want the head title as supervisor and left to AT so that the aa gb would not say that he was after the president spot. I hope they get it right this time. God bless them and us.

Remembering said...

Cowboys: Yes,it certainly is like toothpaste but if you're not careful it can spread on your fingers too! At the end these men from Midland (I don't know if I can even call them men) will have to clean up all the lies they spread and that is going to be embarassing! Who is to say if they will even be aroung to face it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens before January.
Cowboy, it's probably best not to make the same mistake these guys in Midland are doing by talking without real facts and I don't mean the other 1. If you have been reading the blog regarding this new alliance that met in Denver as I have. It states in no way will they have a President, Vice-Pres and etc. They will work together as a team with no one being called the "chief." It's logical that they would want to use the experience and wisdom of Pastor Baldemar Rodriquez as an advisor but I don't think any of these gentlemen care to carry this big responsibility alone. The bible says "in the multitude of counselors there is wisdom."

sola dei gloria said...

Thought for the Day

I think you came to this blog too late. I have spoken out against the GB, the CID and the election many times.

The point that I have been trying to make is that many people are following “men” and not Christ.

Many are only making emotional decisions. What is the real cause? It is to glorify God. Not the Assembly or any other organization.

Please help brothers to make a conscious and intelligent decision.

Remember this, we are in this crisis because we have abandoned biblical principles.

God bless you.

cali_pete said...

sola dei gloria

You are so right. Instead of talking and writing truth, we see many backsliders trying to dictate what we should do and not do. We are living in perilous times and we know that these kind of things that are going on in the assembly are going to happen. Even though we belong to the Assembly or what other Jesus Name organization, it is Jesus who is Lord and Savior. Prayer is still the guide and bible principles the way. We have lost our jealousy for truth and righteousness and we are being blinded by people with hatred and bitterness.

Will the real christian please stand up.

Unknown said...

What say we all leave the Midland issue aside and keep praying for both orginizations and move on to bigger and better things? I strongly believe the the Lord allows certain things to happen in our lives as well as the orginization. from what I know the Bible tells me that everything has its ending, its conclusion. The gb has its ending sometime in the future whether we are alive to be witness to this or not. The day may not come when we want it {I want now}but it will be the Lord's time.

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Unknown said...

Hey everyone...

I started a Poll on my website just to get some information from you.

Go to www.jbayneministries.com

At the bottom of the Home page on the left is the Poll.

Please visit it and respond.

Josh Bayne
joshbayne80@gmail.com

lehan said...

cali_pete in an essence we are all backsliders everyone one of us. The Word of God says for all have fallen short of the glory of God. Not just people who have come and left or all thoes visitors he means even us fourht and fifth generations kids.

So I am sorry but in the Eyes of God we are all backsliders.

factsonly1 said...

Josh,
I went to your website to vote, but I didn't because your question may produce inconsistent data.

If I vote "no", it may indicate that I am willing to stay with the OLD AA, and making it seem that I am in agreement with the old AA.

You need to add another choice of "joining neither organization".

I am not part of either organization because I don't agree with the old AA and would never join the new AA, which is just a little bit of the "same 'ole".

So for those in my case, if we vote "no" it may seem as though the old AA is our org of choice. Which is not the case at all.

Unknown said...

Fandango...

Done!

Thanks for the insight.

Josh Bayne

elias said...

paz de cristo
estimados hermanos

en una casa hay VASOS DE HONRA y de DESHONRA

this isnt NEW
and as long as the HUMAN factor is related to the church we r going to see it over and over, and over again

but W E are the BODY of CRHIST
we r not into a DEMOCRACY
+++ this is not a DEMOCRACY ++
WE R NOT los hijos de CORE
we have a KING : JESUSCHRIST
we hAVE A LAW

and for those Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
just THE ONE we serve 'll get justice IS NOT TO US we may find ourselves into a rebelion against authority

NOT US
remember david and saul
1Sa 24:5 And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the LORD's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointedof the LORD.
So David stayed his servants with these words,and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way.

++THERE IS NOT A REVOLUTION IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD++

just................. REBELIONS

amados en el senor y Dios nuestro
estas cosas no son nuevas
a traves de las generaciones
los que estan enfrente son los mas faciles de ver cuando se equivocan

Dios pone reyes y gobernantes pero cuando se equivoca un lider de nuestra iglesia, queremos REVOLUCION

siempre que este el factor humano habra fallas y malas decisiones,
pero miremonos a nosotros mismos
todos somos pecadores,

somos el cuerpo de cristo
no una DEMOCRACIA que se pone de acuerdo para hacer lo que quiera

+++esto no es una democracia+++
es un reino y nuestro rey es el SENOR JESUCRISTO

y los que han sido hallado faltos en la balanza nuestro rey los llamara a cuentas
no nosotros
recordemos a david y saul

cuanta injusticia
sin embargo el declaro delante de sus seguidores que no dudaban en acabar a saul
libreme jehova de levantar mi mano contra su ungido
SU UNGIDO ese hombre sanguinario asesino de sacerdotes y desechado de la gracia del senor

+++NO HAY REVOLUCION EN EL REINO DE LOS CIELOS+++

i may sound AGANINST or to favor
but GOD knows

that i follow CRIST to the end
Dios les bendiga y perdon si ofendo no es mi intencion mi intencion solo es exaltar al senor de la fe que me esfuerzo por vivir,
soportemos con valor

bienaventurados los que tienen hambre y sed de justicia pues ellos seran saciados

SLJ said...

I don't think its fair to compare the DGB with Saul.
Saul had the anointing from Samuel.
The DGB? who knows!
We Know that Pacheco was brought in with just 2 votes..thats no anionting.
Sanchez has been wheeling and dealing for years to become The KING. probably thinks he can sing better then Presley too.
Del Campo was brought in to spy on the mexican Apostolic church.
Aguilar was brought in because his wife wanted him on the DGB and kissed up to Rachel. So Sammmy could get him aboard.
There is no anionting there.
Just a very good con job.

SolidRock said...

To Lighthouse....

Any answers to any of my questions yet ?????

Thought for the day said...

Dear Bloggers,
Praise the Lord:

There is a "prevalent question" out in "cyber space" about "Las Raices de las Iglesias Latinas in the USA.

They are wondering if there is a "futuro" for an emergent Latino church in the "Iglesias Latinas"?

We can see in the Apostolic Assembly, as I have observed "firsthand" the struggle on "what" "used to be done", "what is being done," and what many "wanted to do" in their churches!

And as we read the comment of "Lighthouse" I can see clearly that this plan is what many Churches wanted to do in their churches,IN THE AA, BUT WERE NEVER "ALLOWED, NOR EVER WILL BE ALLOWED!!!"

OH , BUT WE DO "THRIVE" ON "MACHISMO, PATRONISMO, AND NACIONALISMO.....

"SI MI PATROCITO!!!!!"

but because of "insecurities, envy, strife, and "selfishness". And "right out cruelty", "CONTROL AND MUNIPULATION AND "MACHISMO"
and the "famous" "hate games" of the AA of "shooting their wounded!!"

It was "strictly forbidded" in the name of the "MAN LEGALISTIC doctrine".,, NOT GOD'S DOCTRINE, BUT THE GBM doctrine, "applies only to MEMBERS OF THE AA..., NOT TO THE GBM NOR THEIR FAMILIES...

while other things as "fraud in elections," "stealing" from the brethren the "legal inheritence of AA church members.,
(and that is not sinful),according to Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco, and Aguilar, and Ma."NEVER ENDING, BUILDING CHURCH COLLECTION AND THE "FAMOUS"
"GOLD" SILVER AND BRONZE"
MEDAL....THAT WILL BE "A SIN TO WEAR AROUND ONE'S NECK."
Will this offerings get to the "Missionaries."
On the "brochure" As as Pastors recived on the "Grand Banquet, to be held on Saturday night of the Convention".

Abel and Artie state "there are many many pastors in the "Mission field" that are "extremely poor" and live in much need,"

So then I again said,, " what about the DOUBLE SALARIES, THE GBM "RECEIVE FROM THE GB SALARY AND FROM THEIR CHURCH SALARY."

WHY, IF THEY KNOW THIS ON THE POOR PASTORS., WHY DOESN"T THE GBM, GET "SMALLER SALARIES," AND DESIGNATE ONE OF THOSE "MEGA SALARIES TO THOSE "POOR PASTORS."

"NO TIENEN VERGUENZA, NI TEMOR A DIOS." (THIS GBM).....

The question is "Will a New Church Emerge?

And the answer is "clear". It has "emerged"..

It had to "emerge" because this New generation of the 3rd., 4th., and 5th., Apostolic Assembly generation was "not" and "is not" going to "tolerate" any more Injustices, from the so called "Honorables"..

Which of you brothers or sisters of these "new" generations is going to sit here for the next 10 years of so and tolerate....
"Corporate Fraud?.

We , from my generation "tolerated", alot of things, because we "thought" that was what "needed" to be done at the time....

"BUT Your NOW "FRAME" of mind has "changed".

You know the AA's PAST, its present and can "work out its Future, if there is one???

But the GBM will not "allow you to do that. THE GBM DOES "YOUR" THINKING" AND THEN "PUT US IN A "GUILT AND DENIAL MIND."

If the GBM has "evolved" or emerged in fancy Million dollar homes, and fancy cars and trips, and "dESIGNER" CLOTHES, PAID FROM THE "TITHES".

THEN THE AA MEMBERSHIP "HAS A RIGHT TO "EVOLVE TOO., AND NOT BE "BASHED AT LA "JAUHALL, AND ADAN LOPEZ"....

In general convention" from where the "brethren" and families had travel and saved for years to go to the "general convention", to "listen to ISSUES ON Women's dress, hair, and "plucking " eye brows!!!!

Give us a "break"....for years this has gone on....."bashing, and bashing" and the "power of the Podium."

And listening to songs,"WITH NO MESSAGE, NOT EDIFING", out of "tuned" for "hours by Sanchez and la Distinguida, on
"QUEMAME, QUEMAME, QUEMAME...."

THE ADOSITY!!!
THIS IS "THE PRESIDENTE OF THE AA."
WHO THINKS, HE IS GOD, AND "THEY THE PLAINTIFF HAVE TO "CRAWL" AND "BEG HIM, THE HONORABLE FOR FORGIVENESS."

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE HAD TO PUT UP WITH WITH THIS GBM...and do not forget "Election Fraud and CORPORATE FRAUD"


AND STILL THE PASTORS, "BOW DOWN" AND TAKE THE "GOLD, SILVER, AND BRONZE."

TO MISSIONS????
NOT REALLY ABEL..AND ARTIE.

"NOT REALLY"!!!
MAY THE LORD FORGIVE YOU...



But all of you know, from the Media, from internet information and from your studies that this "CORPORATE FRAUD" that is being done "right now" by the GBM., in forming a new Corporation and "transferring monies" from the "Mother Corporation, the AA"., is not and will not BE "tolerated", by "highly educated, informed younger generation...YOU!!!!!!!

This "individuals" from the GBM, can no longer "play the old school rules of the GBM..
"Hear nothing, "Say Nothing and "do nothing!!!!!!" "OR ELSE!!!"

This GBM on "what" THEY ARE DOING, VERY DISCREETLY, WITH NO "ACCOUNT" TO ANY ONE., ON "REFINANCING CHURHCES, THAT BELONG TO THE AA AND "SELLING" AND "SWAPPING CHURCHES" AND THEN "TRANSFERRING" THE MONIES TO "NEW CORPORATION IN TEXAS, WITH THREE "BOARD MEMBERS. sANCHEZ, vALVERDE AND pACHEDO,

THIS THEY ARE doing, "with Corporate FRaud", is "JUST" not going to work with these "new generation of Apostolics!!!!!


IT IS SAID, TO UNDERSTAND OUR ROOTS, OR BETTER YET, OUR CHURCHES, ONE MUST UNDERSTAND OUR HISTORY..."las raices that make the Aposotlic Assembly what it is.

IF WE DENY THESE "TRUTHS", then we are still in the "dark ages".
ARE WE????

The problem with the GBM and its present board, is that "they lack" wisdom and knowledge from God., and have "no clue"

"nor want to go there" on the importance of "CHRISTIAN YOUTH, MEMBERS" input and also the great need of true knowledgeable and "Christ" centered "membership" input" and
of AA's membership of "Emerging Educated Men and Women's Leadership."

In this newly "Emerged Apostolic Church organization".

This most definately is "going to work" and be part of this "organization's great future."

Iam sure this "New Organization is going to "engage in" ,"a cohort of emerging ministers, both men and women, dedicated to theological "REFLECTION", mutual support and social justice!!!!.

This will prevail, and continue in the Name of Jesus.

If the GBM continues to give so much "emphases" on Doctrinal Issues", for AA Members only,
then the GBM will have to "acknowledge their election Faud", terrible example, their "Corporate Fraud", and "tolerating" familes of the GBM "moral issues", and "refinancing churches, selling churches and "swapping churches" and TRANSFERRING MONIES FROM THE "MOTHER CORPORATION, AA, TO THE "NEW CORPORATION IN TEXAS.


"ALL THIS IS DONE WITH" "NO" ACCOUNTABILITY" ON BEHAVE OF THE HONORABLES.....TO "NO ONE"....

MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US, AND DEFEND US!!!!

THE "NEWLY FORMED ,"NEW ORGANIZATION" WILL TRULY BE BLESSED...IN JESUS NAME..

Thought for the day said...

Dear Brother Elias:
Praise the Lord;
Its very late, but you went \through so much trouble,
I will "try" to answer you.

the "issue" is this my dear Brother.

"un unigido de Dios "no hace Fraude en Elecciones" por que el Spiritu Santo no lo va a dejar hacer "fraude".

Y "siSI" hubo "una grande Revolucion En el Reino de Dios...."

"Una grand Revolucion", que Jehova, Hecho a Satanas y a sus Angeles, a los abismos.!!

Yo se que para usted Hermano es muy "DEFICIL OIR Y SABER oir estas cosas, con los que "dicen ser Unigos de Dios"

PERO ACUERDESE USTED HERMANO..QUE SI AUN EN EL CIELO HUBO, UNA GRANDE REVOLUCION..

QUE HASTA EL DIA DE AHOY TODOS "SUFRIMOS" POR ELLOS,

CON MAS RASON, AQUI EN ESTE "MUNDO" QUE SATANAS, REINA, HAY MUCHO "ODIO, CELOS, PIETOS, Y "FRADE" AUN POR LOS QUE "DICEN SER UNIDOS."


La Mesa Directiva., pero estos "individos," no se han conportados como hombre temeoros de Dios.

Han heco "fraude en las elecciones" contra sus hermanos.

Los han "linchado, fuera de la AA, si tener ningun "juicio" en frente del Pueblo Ministerial.

Han y estan "refinanciando Iglesias de la Asamablea y "TRASLADANDO" LOS FONDOS, DINERO A LA NUEVA CORPORACION,

QUE SOLO SANCHEZ, VALVERDE Y PACHECO SON MIEMBROS DE ESA "NUEVA CORPORACION EN TEXAS.

ESA CORPORACION NO" INCLUYE MIEMBROS" SOLO ELLOS "TRES>"

PACHECO HA LLMANDO A PASTORES, PARA "VENDER SUS IGLESIAS Y TRANSLADARLOS A "OTRAS", COMO QUE EL PACHECO ES "ABSOLUTO"

Y QUE NO "TIENE QUE DAR CUENTA" A NADIE.

NI A USTED, NI A MI , NI A NADIE A NADIE!!!! ESO ES SU META.....
"ABSOLUTO"""TODA LA MESA DIRECTIVA ES...

LA GBM, MESA DIRECTIVA, "CREER" EQUIVOCADA MENTE, QUE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, ES "DUENO" DE LA ASAMBLEA.

Y NO ES...Y NUNCA SERA...LA ASAMBLEA ES UNA CORPORACION, CON CUERPO MINISTERIAL, MIEMBROS ETC.,

PERO LA MESA DIRECTIVA, TRABAJA PARA LA "CORPORACION DE LA ASAMBLEA.
NOSOTROS LOS PASTORES, Y MIENBROS SOMOS "LOS DUENOS" SE LA ASAMBLEA.

PERO "LAMESA SE A DUENADO, PORQUE NADIE ES UN GIDEON, MOISES, O JOSE.
.,

LA MESA DIRECTIVA, NO LE DA "CUENTA A NADIE",
ELLOS HACEN Y DESACEN>"

Y USTED MI HERMANO ELIAS...QUE ESTA HACIENDO USTED PARA DEFENDER LA ASAMBLEA, QUE ES LA IGLESIA DE DIOS DE LOS EJERCITOS????

LA PALABRA DE DIOS DICE,
"NO SEAS "DEMACIADO JUSTO" QUE TU MISMO TE DESTRULLAS....."

DIOS LE BENDIGA...
MUCHO...

Y QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS...


ACUERDESE QUE LA PALABRA DE DIOS DICE:
"POR SUS FRUTOS LOS CONOCERIES"!!
"UN UNGIDO TIENE "RESPECTO"

A DIOS, Y CON LA "COSAS DE DIOS, Y SU "IGLESIA.


QUE BUENOS FRUTOS ESTA DANDO LA MESA DIRECTIVA....

CON "DOUBLE" SALARIES, DE $10,00,00 FOR MES DE LA DIRECTIVA, Y DE $4,000.00 DE SUS IGLESIAS!!!
Y SUS "VIAGES, A MIDLAND, TEXAS, QUE HAN SIDO TANTOS......NOMAS PARA "HACER SUFRIR A LOS HERMANOS DE MIDLAND..

DIOS HA "VISTO" LAS LAGRIMAS" DE LOS HERMANOS DE MIDLAND, SAN BERNARDINO, AUSTIN, HOUSTON..

Y DIOS, "SE VENGARA"!!!!!......."DURAMENTE DON ESTOS "QUE HACIERON" ESTAS COSAS, TAN "CRUELES"....COMO UNOS "INCOMVERSOS", "CONTUMASES"
LLENOS DE " ALTIVISMO, Y PODERISMO, Y CONTROLISMO....

SIN NINGUN "AMOR A SUS HERMANOS EN CRISTO."

QUE DIOS TENGA "MISERICORDIA DE ELLOS."

PORQUE LA PALABRA DE DIOS DICE,

!!!HORENDA COSA ES CALLER EN MANOS DEL DIOS VIVO."

TAMBIEN DICE,

SI A UNO DE MIS "PEQUNITOS" HISTE ESTO!!!! A MI LO HISISTE!!!

LA MESA DIRECTIVA TIENEN QUE "ARREPENTIRSE" O PRONTO VAN A SE QUITADOS,POR EL SENOR....

DIOS LE BENGIA HERMANOS.

Y "SIGA A CRISTO" Y NO A LOS HOMBRES. ELLOS DE "TIERRA"...

Anonymous said...

Again with the chapter after chapter of the same old same.

Is there anything else you thing about brother ?

How about some inspiring and encouraging scripture on how to have victory in your spiritual life regardless of what happens to the man made org that we call The Assembly ?

How about leaving the past behind and looking to the future.

You all seem to love The Assembly more than the work of Christ and the great comission.

You sound like a bitter boyfriend that got dumped by his girlfriend or like the guy that thinks his girl is cheating but doesnt have the courage to leave her.

WAH WAH WAH !!!!!!!!

Remembering said...

Thought for the day: Don't let bloggers discourage you or try to stop you from speaking the truth. I guess we have a few of the brown nosers for the GB still floating around to see if they can scare you. Don't mind them we know for sure you got them all running for cover. The clock is ticking and time is running out for the GB to continue in their corruption.

Anonymous said...

GB Brown Nosers ?

I know your not talking about me playa !

I think what the GB did in the 2006 election was horrible and the fact that Maffey,Pachueco and Sanchez are part of that administration is a clear sign to me that God's will was not done but mans.

However I think it is sad that an old timer and many young people on here talk about the past and what has been done.

I guaranty you that other than chismeando....im sorry blogging about the past not many have actually done a darn thing to institute change.

What have you done thought for the day ?

Talk about the past ?

What are you doing as a Pastor in The AA ?

And if you are a pastor then why do you spend so much time on here ?

Dont you have sermons to write, people to counsel or administrative work ?

All I am saying is stop whining about it because you know that you have done nothing !!!

Unknown said...

I had a good conversation with a good friend of mine and he stayed behind since he had too many roots in the assembly.. He told me that in November pastors are going to be forced to sign documents where Sanchez and the board will further out gain more power over the pastor. So I am going to have a conversation with a few lawyers friends of mine and will be ready to assist any pastors who need help with any lingo that maybe put on the spot when they are forced to sign documents after they hear those preaching’s about restoration and further development done by Sanchez and Valverde. They will use the word and eventually will try to manipulate those pastors into singing more papers.. There has being meetings where pastors have being forced to sign documents by there bishops. So I may get a group of lawyers walking around and explaining to pastors what they are trying to make theme sign. That way any plans by Sanchez will be brought to justice or to light. You can have your security in convention but you cannot stop pastors from knowing there right as human beings.. Not as slaves for the mesa directiva

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Unknown said...

LA REVOLUCION VIVE
PRONTO SE ACABARA EL REYNADO DEL RELIGIOSO

If they have a group of 25 security guards At Convention, I would love to see theme putting a hand in one of my Lawyer friends.. I know there are rules and bylaws that we will obey, so I have not decided what type of clothing they are going to wear.. So the time of ignorance for pastors will soon be over. So the time of the holy mesa directiva arriving at a church to remove a pastor will soon be over.
So look for me or my lawyers walking around making a REVOLUTION to help the pastors in need of help. The Revolution lives On, In your heart and in your mind..

Anonymous said...

Remembering,

And for you bro or sis, Other than remembering the past and living in it what have you done to ensure change in The Assembly.

What can you do to stop fraudulent elections ? What can you do to stop men from being greedy ?

What can you do to stop nepotism and cronyism ?

Men will always fail you !

If you have been hurt get over it already !

If you dont like the way the GB hands churches and positions over to their friends and family what are you going to do about it ?

Blog ? Chat ? Chismear ? Type ?

The world and the state of religion is not going to improve.

God did not structure the church the way the assembly has, so why would we think that this form of ecclesiastical government would not fail eventually ?

We need to return to the New Testament Church model in structure, governance and practice.

Apostolics your Assembly has failed you !

Your false Idol has failed you !

Now you can refocus on Christ and The Great Comission.

Unless you want to continue worshipping your golden calf.

sola dei gloria said...

The reason why ‘Thought for the Day” has such a huge following is because he gives a “historical” interpretation of the Apostolic Assembly rather than a “biblical” one. For many Apostolics, the past is more important than the future.

Anonymous said...

Amen to that ! Sola dei Gloria

Remembering said...

Attacking others is very easy to do and maybe what they say or do may not make a difference to you or anyone else. To those that beleive everything the GB throws at them need to see and open their eyes to what WE have created and that is to have made all General Board members of the AA our "God's" for placing them on a high pedestal. Woe to those that come against them especially with "truth." Someone said all that is happening amongst our leaders is not new. This has been going on for centuries. I agree but never had it been brought out in the open as it has today. This is why I feel that "thought for the day" on the information he or she is giving us being from the past or present it is something we all can learn from for history not to be repeated again! Thank God for the "whistleblower" who was also willing to pay the price by losing everything because he spoke truth. Though he had been warned many times to retract by the president or else have his ministry destoyed as if the calling had been given by men he didn't retract and this is what has brought us here today to this blog. The fraud of 2006 has brought us all together in essence by allowing us to express our thoughts and views by using our rights that this country knows as "freedom of speech." Something that we had never imagine doing for fear of literally being stoned to death by the church we respect and love. I believe this will be a lesson for all to learn and especially those who will lead the church of tomorrow. As Paul Harvey so eloquent states it and "this is the rest of the story."

cali_pete said...

Anybody know?

Is this true that the MD is requiring pastors to turn in the last bank statement of the year to the general offices. I've heard some rumors on this. Can anybody verify this.

fuegoenlasangreII said...

Pachueco Report Did Anyone buy Pachueco’s Luxury home Auctioned off on August 18, 2008.16892 Ridge Cliff Dr.Riverside, CA 92503Loan Amount : $662,.272.00 [ 1 st Loan ]Loan Amount: $165,568.00 [ 2 nd Loan ]


http://www.fntoc.com/nodcenter/files/RIV_TS_Report_08-12-2008.pdftype in page 76

fuegoenlasangreII said...

http://riverside.asrclkrec.com/acr/OSVitalChekmsg.aspClick on Accept Click on AgreeUnder Document Type Select: NOTICE DEFAULTUnder Grantor/Grantee Select: Pacheco Rebecca (no commas)


16892 Ridge Cliff Dr: Riverside, CA 92503Document: 2008-0169380 dated: 4/4/2008

Pachuecos next Foreclosure: Waiting for the info Document: 2008-0363856 dated: 7/2/2008

fuegoenlasangreII said...

Pachuecos Daughter http://riverside.asrclkrec.com/acr/OSVitalChekmsg.asp
Click on Accept
Click on Agree
Under Document Type Select: NOTICE DEFAULTUnder Grantor/Grantee Select: Huizar Yvette
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fuegoenlasangreII said...

Pachueco Report:

Did Anyone buy Pachueco’s Luxury home

Auctioned off on August 18, 2008.16892 Ridge Cliff Dr.Riverside, CA 92503
1st : $662,.272.00
2nd : $165,568.00

Type in page 76 in front of 372

http://www.fntoc.com/nodcenter/files/RIV_TS_Report_08-12-2008.pdf

fuegoenlasangreII said...

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Right Side of Page
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Fill out to the best of your knowledge and send it in

Attach La Opinion/aposolicassembly.info etc……

Mailing Address:
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Attn: Public Inquiry Unit
P.O. Box 944255
Sacramento, CA 94244-2550

fuegoenlasangreII said...

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tonedeaf said...

Okay, I just read this letter on "Apostolic Letters" two pages wasted on why women shouldn't be allowed in the ministry. With all due respect to the Author "Pastor Jimenez" It is thoughts such as your that keep the AA in the dark ages. I just happen to work for a non-profit Christian organization. We get alot of mail from colleges, universities, other non-profits, I think you get the idea. They focus on things such as four Christian college students biking from coast to coast to benefit Rwanda. They raised over $40,000 to benefit Rwandan farmers. So the farmers could purchase bicycles (which in Rwanda are expensive and unafforable for many). Okay,and we are still stuck on women, and the other "rules". There is no way we could make any kind of impact on our outside world. While I can appreciate the vigor of Pastor Jimenez's letter. It's that kind of thinking that has us stuck in a quagmire. I was reading another bloggers question. Where he/she asked if the "new" organization was going to allow pants/wedding rings/cutting of hair, etc. No questions about christian social responsibility. We WASTE our time stuck on the same old "disco rayado". But, really what is my point since some people are arguing over $10 plants? Even our most illustrious "Apostolic" The Ambassador to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, Gaddi Vasquez doesn't recognize us. His biography doesn't even mention that he is/was a minister with the Apostolic Assembly. Or that he was Youth President. I Remember fondly the sermon on Jordache Jeans and how they were sinful, because they were a name brand. I guess his views on that subject may have changed? Ya think? It's so sad, frustrating. We can't get past the nonsense, and be really effective as the bible commands us to do. Stuck in being religous, not being good christians. Sorry this is long, probably doesn't make sense. People are like brick walls sometimes, can't see the big picture, cause they're stuck on the small one.

SolidRock said...

To Lighthouse....

This little light of mine, i'm gonna let it shine!

Hey Lighthouse, you have any answers yet???????

Does anyone know what happened to that alleged pedophile pastor from Chandler Az, word is that he ran off with his secretary for a few days then came running back. Probably got dumped.

Bad Pastor! Bad District treasurer to Tafoya!

SolidRock said...

To Tonedeaf...

You're probably referring to my questions.

I am asking these questions so that i can be informed of how they are going to operate their "new fellowship". Will it be "new", or Apostolic Assembly II?

Don't need to ask questions on christian social responsibility because being responsible comes from within the heart, not an organization.

I agree the pants, wedding bands, and cutting of the hair have nothing to do with salvation but could be a matter of obedience.

I am just trying to be thoroughly informed.

Gaddi hasn't changed. He has always been on the edge, even when he was president of the Youth....although he was against jordache, he wasn't against wine labels....lol

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Unknown said...

I read an e-mail from bishop lugo telling all pastor to tell their minister they must be in the holy meeting sat. morning. Guess its true, they will probably want some sort of signature. I have seen all the wrong the gb has done but I'm still staying here, I strongly believe that their time is up and something good will come out of this whole mess,

Quintus said...

Greetings Bloggers,

This has been perhaps one of the most active discussions taking place on the world wide web. It's been a great adventure so far to attempt to keep up with each of your posts.

Some of you may already be aware that I am a practicing corporate attorney, and have also worked as a deputy district attorney. I care very much for the Apostolic church, especially many who are being bombarded with the current predicament in the AA. Normally, I would not offer to do so, however the situation is grim among our brethren, and so I would be glad to give any unbias, legal insight to which any here may have inquiry of concerning this time of great challenge to the body of Christ.

God Bless You,

James Q. Thompson (JQP)

SLJ said...

Quintus:

Thank you for your posts

Is there anyway that we as members of the AA can put a stop to this?

Someone posted a link to the Office of The Attorney General. If we do file a Complaint Form will that help?

Because if it will I'm ready to do so.


Thank You:

solis_lj@yahoo.com

Quintus said...

TRUTH FOR ONCE ASKED:

"Is there anyway that we as members of the AA can put a stop to this?

Someone posted a link to the Office of The Attorney General. If we do file a Complaint Form will that help?"

Friend, the judicial process for each state differs greatly. Depending on the amount of case traffic in the office of the AG for the state of California, the complaint could take considerable time before gaining attention and being initially addressed, not to mention the timely judicial process for addressing a formal complaint against a charity in a satisfactory manner to the plaintiff(s).

While it is not discouraged to proceed in filing a formal complaint with the California AG, a considerable amount of patience is key should an individual decide to go through with such a decision. The pivotal key factor is the evidence; the merits of judicial process (court) for any formal allegation(s) is/are contigent upon the result of initial investigation by the court.

It would have been a wise and decisive course of action for the majority of voting members in good standing with the AA to have temporarily suspended the funds of the local congregation to the national treasury of the AA; this action would have inevitably displaced good standing voting members into a period of suspension or expel from "good-standing" positions, thus rendering a lack of quorum to conduct business proceedings, and therefore bringing a question to the court as to the legitimacy of any business proceedings after a quorum of good-standing voting members was not met, as required by law for non-profit organizations. This in turn would have very well gained the attention of the IRS for audit and investigation to the compliance of corporate law.

I hope this has aided in answering your questions.

God Bless You.

JQP

SLJ said...

Quintus:
Thank you for your response>

Thought for the day said...
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Thought for the day said...

SOLEDAD DEI GLORIA:

You still don't get it?
And you never will...

The manner in which the GBM is conducting themselves, is not "Biblical."
Its "carnal" and "munipuliative and controlling." AND THAT IS "AGAINST" THE WORD OF GOD!!!

Look what happened to those two that "tried to deceive" the Early Church Christians, by "lying about the "sale of their property".

You just don't get it!!!

"To understand our Roots, or better yet, our present and the whys?????, then we must "understand The Assembly's History."
"LAS RAICES, CUAL SON?"

YOU ARE VERY ANGRY, AND "BITTER TOWARD ME..."BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW THEM."

I cannot help it that I am telling the "truth and nothing about your "IVORY TOWER"!!!!!

AND YOU ARE THE "TYPE" THAT IS IN "DENIAL" THAT YOU DO NOT "KNOW"
"LAS RAICES, NI CUALES SON DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA.

AND IF ANYONE "TRIES TO TELL YOU", YOU "RAGE"!!!!!
CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THEM, NOR "LIVED THEM".

YOU ARE THE TYPE THE ASSEMBLY IS "FULL OF"..
AS "LONG" AS THE GBM IS IN "CONTROL" THEY WILL "IDOLIZED" THEM...
BUT WHEN THE GBM, MOVES "OUT" THEY WILL TOTALLY BE "IGNORED" AND "ABONDONED".

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.OF THESE BROTHERS, EX-GBM.....
"BROTHERS, ELIAS DURARTE, D. JAUHALL, ISAAC COTA,BALDEMAR RODRIGUEZ, DANIEL SALOMON, GILBERT DIAZ,LUCIANO MONTES, HIDING UNDER THE "RADAR" AND OF COURSE ANOTHER "HIDING UNDER THE "RADAR, JUAN FORTINO,
BISHOP JUAN HUIZAR, WAS SMART AND IS NOW AN ACTIVE AND WELL BLESSED MINISTER, OF THE "IGLESIA DE MEXICO, WORKING IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA. AND ALSO BROTHER ELIAS ESCAMILLA...?
GOOD MEN AND "WORKED VERY HARD FOR THE WORK OF THE LORD IN THEIR "OWN RIGHT"..

THESE BROTHERS WHERE ARE THEY?

"ABONDONED AND FORGOTTEN", AS FAR AS THE GBM CAN HAVE THEM....

THAT'S THE WAY THE "MONEY GOES," "POP GOES THE WHISTLE."

"FORGOTTEN, AND LEFT ALONE".

BECAUSE THE GBM IS TOO "THREATEN BY THEM", TO "RECEIVE "COUNSEL OR "GUIDANCE" FROM THEM.

THIS GBM KNOWS IT ALL.
SURE HOW TO DO "CORPORATE FRAUD, "REFINANCE CHURCHES, WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO ANY ONE.."
SELLING CHURCHES AND "SWAPPING CHURCHES FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER"

AND THE MONIES WILL BE "DEPOSITED IN THE "NEW CORPORATION FORMED BY SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHEO, ONLY (3) THREE MEMBERS....
THIS IS "CORPORATE" FRAUD.....


How can I be "Biblical" to such "Carnals".
"Corporate Fraud", "Refinancing Churches, with no accountabilty to the Ministerial Body.
"Selling and Swapping Church, from one "area to another".

How can this be "Biblical", expect that the Lord "hates liars".

And "election fraud" makes the GBM "liars". AND ITS AGAINST THE BIBLE, SO THERE I CAN GO BIBLICAL WITH THAT!!!

But it had been going on "WITH ELECTION FRAUD" forever....desde el principio de las Raices, de la Asamblea.

But Bishop Abel Torres, blew the Whistle, God bless him.,

And NOW YOU WANNA GO "BIBLICAL".
WITH THE 'NEVER ENDING' FAMOUS BUILDING FUNDS."
"EXPLOITING OUR ASSEMBLY AND ALL THE MINISTERIAL BODY AND MEMBERS.

"THIS IS THE "FLOR AZUL" MONTH, TO COLLECT JUST "BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS', AND THE BRETHREN GIVE , AND GIVE AND GIVE AND GIVE, OUT OF
"BIG TIME GUILT".

DOES IT EVER GET TO THE "MISSIONARIES". IAM SURE "SOME DOES", ENOUGH FOR THEM TO "SURVIVE", BUT THEN "THE MISSIONARIES "GET ANOTHER BIG TIME GALA BANQUET EVERY "FOUR YEARS", TO KEEP THEM HAPPY..

AND THE REST OF THE MONIES,
DOES GEORGINA MARRON, SANTA OR FRANCISCA CARE????

"SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SAY NO EVIL.

ALL IS "WELL IN THE WESTERN FRONT"!!!!!!


"MISAPPROPRIATED" TO THE "GBM"
DOUBLE SALARIES.....

"BIBLICAL", IT SURE IS!!!
"LIARS AND DECITFUL PERSONS WILL GO TO THE PITS OF HELL"
IF THE GBM DOES NOT REPENT.....

THERE IT IS ,,,"SOLEDAD"
I SURE "WENT BIBLICAL"

GO "BIBLICAL" WITH "LIARS AND CHEATERS"?

OH, YES I'LL GO "BIBLICAL"

"EL QUE HACE LA INJURIA, RECIVIRA LA INJURIA."

you are not the only one with This "denial frame of mind", and WANNA "MAKE EVERYTHING "SPIRITUAL".

THIS IS BIG TIME "GREED, ENVY, LYING, MACHISMO PATRONISMO Y NACIONALISMO!!!!

"AIN'T" "NOTHING SPIRITUAL, BIBLICAL nor CHRIST CENTERED ABOUT THIS "BRUTALITY"....


"THE ASSEMBLY MEMBERS, ARE "SICK AND TIRED" OF "SUGAR COATED' DENIAL LIES".

TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW ALL THIS....
AND MUCH MORE.
"BUT YOU DON'T"

...
THAT'S WHY YOU AND "OTHERS" ARE "FURIOUS"..

SO WHAT DO YOU DO "FILABUSTER", AND "TRY TO CONDEMN, THOSE THAT "TRY TO TELL IT AS IT IS."

"THE PAST" TO UNDERSTAND THE PRESENT'
AND "RESOLVE THE FUTURE IN "JESUS NAME..."
IFFFFFF THERE IS ANY AA FUTURE?


ITS PLAIN "SINFUL CARNAL AND diabolic!!!!!!!
BUT YOU JUST DON'T GET IT............

"sleep well"!!!!!!!

Thought for the day said...

Dear Rome:
Praise the Lord:

You are perfectly right!!!
I have not done "anything."

Its aabout timeeeeee I do!!!!!

I WILL TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE ON THIS GBM FROM THE OTHERS...

Thank you for the "Encouragement" and "reminder"..
"I must do something."

Tell it as it is!!!!!.

My sermons and my prayers I do daily. Thank you.

I will say one thing to you..

"forget the past, you say?"

WHAT PAST...YOU DO NOT KNOW THE PAST OF THE AA."HOW CAN YOU "FORGET IT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW IT?!!!!

HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO HAVE YOU "FORGET IT, IF "YOU", DO NOT KNOW THE AA'S PAST?

YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS GBM, IS FAR WORSE, THAN THE OTHER GBM THAT I PERSONALLY KNEW....

"THE OTHER GBM, EXCEPT FOR BROTHER NAVA, WERE "FINANCIALLY POOR", BUT THEY WERE "HAPPY".


LOOK AT BISHOP CASTORENA, RETIRED FROM THE CHURCH IN SAN FERNANDO THAT VICTOR PRADO ASSUMED....

TRUE, BISHOP CASTORENA WORKED IN LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO, AS PRESIDENTE DE LA IGLESIA.

BUT, HE CAME TO THE USA VIA INVITAION OF HIS LONG TIME FRIEND, BISHOP MANUEL VIZCARRA.
DOES ANY ONE OF THE GBM EVER VISIT BISHOP CASTORENA??

\YET, BISHOP CASTORENA GAVE ABOUT 20 OLD YEARS,OF HIS LIFE HERE IN CALIFORNIA AND "BOUGHT" AND REMODEDLED THAT "CHURCH IN SAN FERNANDO, AND LEFT IT IN THE NAME OF THE AA.

BUT THE GBM WHERE ARE THEY???
THEY ARE TOO BUSY, DOING "CORPORATE FRAUD"

"IAM SORRY THAT I UPSET YOU.. IF SO PLEASE BY-PASS MY COMMENTS.


MAYBE OTHERS CAN LEARN FROM THE "PAST", TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE GBM... AND MAYBE "SOMEONE WILL RESOLVE IT IN JESUS NAME."

GOD BLESS YOU...

I WILL PRAY FOR YOU, DAILY.

Thought for the day said...

To Quintus:::::

Thank you for the great information you gave us..
Your suggestions are "brilliant".

But let me tell you dear friend,

NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER....(AND THE GBM KNOW THIS VERY VERY VERY WELL),

WOULD THE "MAJORITY" OF VOTERS OF THE APOSTLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED;

WOULD HAVE EVER "UNITED" TO GO AGAINST "NOT SENDING MONIES" TO THE GBM OFFICES.

To the "voters", which only includes the "Pastors".NO MEMBERS, CAN VOTE, NOR WOMEN, NOR THE YOUTH..

It is impossible not to send "thithes, of Thithes"

"THE PASTORS WE WOULD ALL BE LYNCHED.....IMMDIATELY!

Eventhough it is well known that when Daniel Sanchez, the so called Honorable Presiding Bishop, was Pastor of the church in Tucson, Arizona, he "NEVER' SENT HIS 'TITHES' TO THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS...
"NEVER". NOR FROM THE CHURCH IN SOLANA BEACH,
NOR FROM THE CHURCH IN ANAHEIM.

NOW FROM THE CHURCH IN WHITTIER, IAM SURE HE SEND "JUST SOME"

BECAUSE WHO "AUDITS" THE GBM CHURCH'S BANK STATEMENTS, OR OFFERING, OR TITHES?

WHO DOES , NO ONE.


One of the most "puzzling" questions to me is :
Why didn't the Plaintiff Attorneys do a request for "an audit" or a report to the IRS???? TO FROM THE GBM FIANCIAL STATEMENTS.
THE PERSON TO BE CONTACTED IS
LEOPARDO MAFFEY, GENERAL TRESURER., AT RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CALIFORNIA.

COULD IT BE , TO "DRAG" TIME AND TO "STALL," AT "ATTORNEY STYLE", to get more money from the Plaintiffs????


This would have been the "first" in my "agendA", as a Defense Attorney for the Plaintiffs.

I will never know why this was not done or why it has not been "so ordered."

God bless you. THANK YOU AGAIN...

Thought for the day said...

To Quintus:::::

Thank you for the great information you gave us..
Your suggestions are "brilliant".

But let me tell you dear friend,

NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER....(AND THE GBM KNOW THIS VERY VERY VERY WELL),

WOULD THE "MAJORITY" OF VOTERS OF THE APOSTLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED;

WOULD HAVE EVER "UNITED" TO GO AGAINST "NOT SENDING MONIES" TO THE GBM OFFICES.

To the "voters", which only includes the "Pastors".NO MEMBERS, CAN VOTE, NOR WOMEN, NOR THE YOUTH..

It is impossible not to send "thithes, of Thithes"

"THE PASTORS WE WOULD ALL BE LYNCHED.....IMMDIATELY!

Eventhough it is well known that when Daniel Sanchez, the so called Honorable Presiding Bishop, was Pastor of the church in Tucson, Arizona, he "NEVER' SENT HIS 'TITHES' TO THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS...
"NEVER". NOR FROM THE CHURCH IN SOLANA BEACH,
NOR FROM THE CHURCH IN ANAHEIM.

NOW FROM THE CHURCH IN WHITTIER, IAM SURE HE SEND "JUST SOME"

BECAUSE WHO "AUDITS" THE GBM CHURCH'S BANK STATEMENTS, OR OFFERING, OR TITHES?

WHO DOES , NO ONE.


One of the most "puzzling" questions to me is :
Why didn't the Plaintiff Attorneys do a request for "an audit" or a report to the IRS???? TO FROM THE GBM FIANCIAL STATEMENTS.
THE PERSON TO BE CONTACTED IS
LEOPARDO MAFFEY, GENERAL TRESURER., AT RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CALIFORNIA.

COULD IT BE , TO "DRAG" TIME AND TO "STALL," AT "ATTORNEY STYLE", to get more money from the Plaintiffs????


This would have been the "first" in my "agendA", as a Defense Attorney for the Plaintiffs.

I will never know why this was not done or why it has not been "so ordered."

God bless you. THANK YOU AGAIN...

Thought for the day said...

Dear Truth for Once:

Praise the Lord:
We are all "trying" to put a "stop to this",
But it appears that the more comments made, the faster the GBM continues to "expediate its evilness."

There have been other meetings, but the Pastors, we feel that the GBM will soon be gone...Maybe to where "Artie Espinoza" Sanchez's brother in law in Texas, is taking care of "El gallinero". The new corporation in Texas, Sanchez, VAlverde and Pacheco's.

God bless you..

Thought for the day said...

Dear Truth for Once:

Praise the Lord:
We are all "trying" to put a "stop to this",
But it appears that the more comments made, the faster the GBM continues to "expediate its evilness."

There have been other meetings, but the Pastors, we feel that the GBM will soon be gone...Maybe to where "Artie Espinoza" Sanchez's brother in law in Texas, is taking care of "El gallinero". The new corporation in Texas, Sanchez, VAlverde and Pacheco's.

God bless you..

Thought for the day said...

Dear Cowboys:
Praise the Lord:

Two of the GBM members have been sent, as Ambassadors of Sanchez, to several cities in different states for the "requirements" 'intimidation to each Pastor.

The one to be held this Saturday will be the same.

"sworn to secrecy!!!!!

A LA MAFIA STYLE!!

ANY PASTORS WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS LAST MEETINGS THIS MONTH???
THANK YOU...

"MAKE THE GBM TRANSPARENT.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE "SCARE TOPICS OF THE NEW ORGANIZATION OF BISHOP BALDEMAR, AND BISHOP SALOMON, AND BISHOP TORRES.

It sound very attractive to us Pastors, the "autonomous church" in full Apostolic Doctrine, and full fellowship with the rest of the Churches.

The Apostolic Assembly is requiring "signatures are being "required" for what????

Does any Pastor want to "elavorate"?

Yes, Cowboys, something good is going to come out of this...
THE PRESENT GBM WILL BE REMOVED IN THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARET...

God bless you.

Thought for the day said...

Dear Cowboys:
Praise the Lord:

Two of the GBM members have been sent, as Ambassadors of Sanchez, to several cities in different states for the "requirements" 'intimidation to each Pastor.

The one to be held this Saturday will be the same.

"sworn to secrecy!!!!!

A LA MAFIA STYLE!!

ANY PASTORS WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS LAST MEETINGS THIS MONTH???
THANK YOU...

"MAKE THE GBM TRANSPARENT.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE "SCARE TOPICS OF THE NEW ORGANIZATION OF BISHOP BALDEMAR, AND BISHOP SALOMON, AND BISHOP TORRES.

It sound very attractive to us Pastors, the "autonomous church" in full Apostolic Doctrine, and full fellowship with the rest of the Churches.

The Apostolic Assembly is requiring "signatures are being "required" for what????

Does any Pastor want to "elavorate"?

Yes, Cowboys, something good is going to come out of this...
THE PRESENT GBM WILL BE REMOVED IN THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARET...

God bless you.

Quintus said...

Thought for the day asked:

"Why didn't the Plaintiff Attorneys do a request for 'an audit' or a report to the IRS????

COULD IT BE , TO 'DRAG' TIME AND TO 'STALL, AT "ATTORNEY STYLE', to get more money from the Plaintiffs????"

Friend, unfortunately the court hearings were solely based on the legitimacy of the election process at the 2006 General Convention of the AA. At no point did the plaintiffs question the financial integrity of the AA. As a result, the attorneys representing the plaintiffs would have been overruled in their motion to request an audit due to irrelevancy to the formal allegations filed by the plaintiffs.

Below is a link that will give everyone some insight to the State of California auditing procedures.

State of California Audit


While I am attempting to relay objective responses to your questions, by no means do I personally believe that the attorneys representing the plaintiffs were out to make some 'free bucks.' Their work was considerable after reading the court transcript, and I trust that each court officer did everything possible to maximize their case. However, I do respect your opinion, and understand the basis of your questions.

I hope this has aided in answering your questions.

God Bless You,
JQP

Unknown said...

Hello Quintus,

Thank you for your the following suggestion:

"It would have been a wise and decisive course of action for the majority of voting members in good standing with the AA to have temporarily suspended the funds of the local congregation to the national treasury of the AA..."

Are you aware that the AA does not give a voting right to their members according to how their corporation was set-up?

The only legitimate members are the general board. The AA constitution gives some voting rights to the District bishops but it is very limited.

The pastor's don't have a "real" voting right according to how the corporation was filed with the IRS.

If you were to look at the original application under the section whether there will be any voting members the answer is "NO".

My question to you is this, if it is true that the filing for the corporation was set-up without any voting members; how can your theory you mention work?

Honestly, trying to understand your position.

Thought for the day said...

Dear Quintos,
JQP,

Okay, so the Plaintiff's case "was based solely on the legitimacy of the "Election"

Fine, I can understood that...
The "due process of Law".

But now you stated that you "love the AA and the brethren.

And it my understanding that anyone can "request for an audit" for a non profit corporation in the State of California.
And also to the Attorney General who we understand has a religious Catholic background.

And a report can be filed with the IRS.

So you being a Corporate Attorney, why don't you take over these matters with The State Attorney, the IRS and with 'AN AUDIT TO ALL THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF THE AA AND ITS GBM AND THEIR LOCAL CHURCHES?

WHY NOT?

Maybe that's why you "love the Apostolic Church so much and its Members",that you are "destined by the Lord to help His church and its members?

That is another issue, to discuss. There are members of Apostolic Assembly that are in Judicial Positions, as attornies, paralegals and Judges, and maybe some are "bloggers".

But typically of those in "these positions, do not come "forward" to defend their church.

Like for example, a person is dying, and a physician is in the house and the physician fully accrediated M.D. says, "Oh I cannot "touch" that patient, because he is
"not my patient" and I will jeoportize """""MY JOB""""""

So the patient, (person ) died and who cares...The DOCTOR SAVED HIS JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS YOU.

Thought for the day said...

Dear Quintos,
JQP,

Okay, so the Plaintiff's case "was based solely on the legitimacy of the "Election"

Fine, I can understood that...
The "due process of Law".

But now you stated that you "love the AA and the brethren.

And it my understanding that anyone can "request for an audit" for a non profit corporation in the State of California.
And also to the Attorney General who we understand has a religious Catholic background.

And a report can be filed with the IRS.

So you being a Corporate Attorney, why don't you take over these matters with The State Attorney, the IRS and with 'AN AUDIT TO ALL THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF THE AA AND ITS GBM AND THEIR LOCAL CHURCHES?

WHY NOT?

Maybe that's why you "love the Apostolic Church so much and its Members",that you are "destined by the Lord to help His church and its members?

That is another issue, to discuss. There are members of Apostolic Assembly that are in Judicial Positions, as attornies, paralegals and Judges, and maybe some are "bloggers".

But typically of those in "these positions, do not come "forward" to defend their church.

Like for example, a person is dying, and a physician is in the house and the physician fully accrediated M.D. says, "Oh I cannot "touch" that patient, because he is
"not my patient" and I will jeoportize """""MY JOB""""""

So the patient, (person ) died and who cares...The DOCTOR SAVED HIS JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS YOU.

Quintus said...

Attorney General asked:

"If it is true that the filing for the corporation was set-up without any voting members; how can your theory you mention work?"

AG, I am not aware of how the AA was actually formed when filing for non-profit status in the state of CA. However, there are clear provisions as to the process of gaining AND maintaing such status.

Below are two links which should provide some clear explanation as to California non-profits and the rights of their members.
Non-Profit Setup

Member Rights


In this case, those given voting rights at the annual convention and district conventions are in fact defined as members of a corporation. Since in fact there are voting members besides the general board of directors, that's how the theory I stated could prove interesting for the entire Apostolic Assembly.

I hope this has helped in answering your question.

God Bless you,
JQP

Unknown said...

An observation on Heir Sanchez letter to the AA Pastors.

In the letter he states that there were "anomalies" in the books of Montebello, hence the need for an audit.

The "books" can only reveal "anomalies" only AFTER they have been audited. How is it they discovered "anomalies" any time PRIOR to the audit?

Can a treasurer or accountant enlighten me on this issue?

sola dei gloria said...

Thought for the Day

You make many assumptions.

First, because I don’t agree with you think I am for the General Board.

Sure it’s important to know the past, but we already know it. You keep recycling it.

The gospel message is what advances us. It advances, spiritually, mentally and intellectually. This is the message that must have precedence.

You’re more concerned with spreading the “gossip message” than you are the “gospel message”.

If anything at all the enemy has been a success. He has made many Apostolics get off course. This whole entire incident has been a distraction. We have taken the focus off Christ and put it on elections, lawsuits, Pastor’s and a new organization.

I don’t think your going to make much of a “Kingdom” impact with your history lessons.

Don’t get me wrong Thought for the Day, I think your posts are important, I just don’t think they are the answer to the current crisis.

It’s a good thing the thief on the cross did not belong to the Assembly, he may have asked for “requirements” rather than “forgiveness”.

Alembic E said...

Whats going to happen to the 2cd church in Houston?

Thought for the day said...

Dear Brother Quintus,

Your quote:"Member Rights':

'In this case, those given "voting rights" at the annual convention and District Convention are in fact defined "as members of a Corporation.
Since in fact, there are voting members besides the GBM of directors, thats how the theory I stated could prove interesting for the entire Apostolic Assembly.


What "voting rights", my dear brother? There was "fraud" of elections in Long Beach, and there has always been"fraud" since the
"establishing of "The famous (dis)
qualifing committee was instroducted during the Administration of Brother Efrain Valverde, uncle to Sam Valverde in the 1960's.

The AA Pastors, believe with all their heart and souls and with all their "mind" that "they have a vote".

Bishop Abel Torres, "told them "NO" you do not have a vote"
BUT ONLY A "HAND FULL" SUPPORTED HIM, ALL THE OTHERS INCLUDING ME,
"RAN" FOR DEAR LIFE..


There were several in the GBM ,"so called elections" in Long Beach, that were said, by Sanchez and Valverde, that had been "elected" and Bishop Torres told them there "had only been 2 (two) votes, casted by two individuals, probably the one named and the cousin, or the brother in law OF THE ONE NAMED.

I have spoken to several Pastor, friends of mine, and the told me.
But, brother "elections were held", whether with "two votes", or less, but "we did have an election"..

So how can you take them out of that "mentality"..Its "cultish"....
controlling and munipulative, and in the recent letter that Sanchez send to us in September, he stated, he had visit many districts, of the AA and he had met with the District's Board, and
that "all the churches are "florishing and thriving."
That in other words, "ALL IS WELL IN THE WESTERN FRONT."

He also tells us as "A LA HITLER",

THAT ALL THE WORK THE GBM IS DOING IS IN "EXCELLENCE", AND HE DESCRIBES THE "WORD" "EXCELLENCE" OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

HE BOASTS "THAT IN THIS YEAR 22 CHURCHES HAVE BEEN REFINANCED!!!!!!!"

THIS IS WHY I HAVE BEEN GIVING OUT THE "ALERT" ON THE CHURCHES BEING REFINANCED, AND SURELY THE MONIES" , ARE GOING TO THE NEW FORMED "CORPORATION OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS, OR THEIR MEGA SALARIES!!!

THE GBM RECEIVE MONTHLY, EVERY FOUR WEEKS, A HUGE SALARY FROM THE GBM SALARIES, THEY THEMSELVES , APPOINTED THAT SALARY.
AND OF COURSE, THE MEGA SALARIES FROM THE CHURCHES THEY "CLAIM THEY PASTOR",

BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE NEVER THERE EXCEPT ON SUNDAYS!

SANCHEZ DOES NOT SAY WHY THESE CHURCHES WERE "REFINANCED"!!!

NOR WHERE DID THE MONIES FROM THE "REFINANCING CHURCHES GO TO".

OR RATHER I SHOULD SAY, WHERE WAS THE MONIES OF THE "REFINANCING OF THE CHURCHES MISAPPROPRIATED TO."

THE TRUTH IS THAT SANCHEZ, IS A STATE OF MIND, AS IN DENIAL OF ANY WRONG. IN FORMING A NEW CORPORATION WITHOUT "ANY MEMBERS".
JUST THREE, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO!!

NO "VOTING" PASTOR WILL "EVER" TAKE A STAND AGAINST THE gbm!

SOME DID , THE PLAINTIFFS AND NOW THEY ARE "OUTCASTS BY THE GBM, AND "SHUNNED" BY THE PASTORS.

BECAUSE THEY WILL BE "LYNCHED" TOO.

ARE YOU THAT ATTORNEY, YOU CLAIM TO BE, OR ARE YOU JUST "BAITING" US?
Where are your offices?
WHAT DO YOU THINK BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT ARE "BLOGGERS"?

GOD BLESS YOU..

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Dear Brother Quintus,

Your quote:"Member Rights':

'In this case, those given "voting rights" at the annual convention and District Convention are in fact defined "as members of a Corporation.
Since in fact, there are voting members besides the GBM of directors, thats how the theory I stated could prove interesting for the entire Apostolic Assembly.


What "voting rights", my dear brother? There was "fraud" of elections in Long Beach, and there has always been"fraud" since the
"establishing of "The famous (dis)
qualifing committee was instroducted during the Administration of Brother Efrain Valverde, uncle to Sam Valverde in the 1960's.

The AA Pastors, believe with all their heart and souls and with all their "mind" that "they have a vote".

Bishop Abel Torres, "told them "NO" you do not have a vote"
BUT ONLY A "HAND FULL" SUPPORTED HIM, ALL THE OTHERS INCLUDING ME,
"RAN" FOR DEAR LIFE..


There were several in the GBM ,"so called elections" in Long Beach, that were said, by Sanchez and Valverde, that had been "elected" and Bishop Torres told them there "had only been 2 (two) votes, casted by two individuals, probably the one named and the cousin, or the brother in law OF THE ONE NAMED.

I have spoken to several Pastor, friends of mine, and the told me.
But, brother "elections were held", whether with "two votes", or less, but "we did have an election"..

So how can you take them out of that "mentality"..Its "cultish"....
controlling and munipulative, and in the recent letter that Sanchez send to us in September, he stated, he had visit many districts, of the AA and he had met with the District's Board, and
that "all the churches are "florishing and thriving."
That in other words, "ALL IS WELL IN THE WESTERN FRONT."

He also tells us as "A LA HITLER",

THAT ALL THE WORK THE GBM IS DOING IS IN "EXCELLENCE", AND HE DESCRIBES THE "WORD" "EXCELLENCE" OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

HE BOASTS "THAT IN THIS YEAR 22 CHURCHES HAVE BEEN REFINANCED!!!!!!!"

THIS IS WHY I HAVE BEEN GIVING OUT THE "ALERT" ON THE CHURCHES BEING REFINANCED, AND SURELY THE MONIES" , ARE GOING TO THE NEW FORMED "CORPORATION OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS, OR THEIR MEGA SALARIES!!!

THE GBM RECEIVE MONTHLY, EVERY FOUR WEEKS, A HUGE SALARY FROM THE GBM SALARIES, THEY THEMSELVES , APPOINTED THAT SALARY.
AND OF COURSE, THE MEGA SALARIES FROM THE CHURCHES THEY "CLAIM THEY PASTOR",

BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE NEVER THERE EXCEPT ON SUNDAYS!

SANCHEZ DOES NOT SAY WHY THESE CHURCHES WERE "REFINANCED"!!!

NOR WHERE DID THE MONIES FROM THE "REFINANCING CHURCHES GO TO".

OR RATHER I SHOULD SAY, WHERE WAS THE MONIES OF THE "REFINANCING OF THE CHURCHES MISAPPROPRIATED TO."

THE TRUTH IS THAT SANCHEZ, IS A STATE OF MIND, AS IN DENIAL OF ANY WRONG. IN FORMING A NEW CORPORATION WITHOUT "ANY MEMBERS".
JUST THREE, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO!!

NO "VOTING" PASTOR WILL "EVER" TAKE A STAND AGAINST THE gbm!

SOME DID , THE PLAINTIFFS AND NOW THEY ARE "OUTCASTS BY THE GBM, AND "SHUNNED" BY THE PASTORS.

BECAUSE THEY WILL BE "LYNCHED" TOO.

ARE YOU THAT ATTORNEY, YOU CLAIM TO BE, OR ARE YOU JUST "BAITING" US?
Where are your offices?
WHAT DO YOU THINK BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT ARE "BLOGGERS"?

GOD BLESS YOU..

Thought for the day said...

Dear Mecha,
Praise the Lord"

Sanchez said , "that there are "anomalies" in the books of the Montebello Church?

WHAT? WHAT ABOUT THE "ANOMALIES" IN THE GBM FINANCIAL STATEMENTS?
WHAT ABOUT THE GBM CHURCHES?>

HOW DARE HE SAY THAT!!!!
"THE BLIND LEAD THE BLIND".

I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU, THAT SANCHEZ, VALVARDE AND PACHECO HAVE AN "EIGHTH GRADE MENTALITY"!!!!

CON ESO QUIEREN INTIMIDAR A LOS PASTORES Y A LOS DEMAS MIEMBROS...
EL NIERVO, DE ESTOS COVARDES???

COMO NOS DICE LA PALABRA DE DIOS EN HECHOS 20:29..

LOBOS RAPACES:
MOVIDOS POR LA AMBICION DE EDIFICAR SU PROPIO REINO O POR AMOR AL DINERO,
AL PODER Y LA POPULARIDAD (TES.1:6-7; 2 TIM. 1:15; 4:3-4 JN. 9).

Los Obispos, ancianos y pastores de la Asamblea, siempre deben permanecer sensibles y en estado de "ALERTA" por las cosas que la Mesa Directiva estan haciendo.

Sin dejar nunca ni de dia ni de noche de advertir al los miembros, acerca del peligro que nos ESTA OCCURIENDO, en ser "burlados" por la Mesa Directiva,

que no son duenos de la Asamblea sino "deben de ser sirventes". Como digo Cristo, "Yo he venido a servir."

Jesus les advirtio a sus discipulos "catorce veces" que esperaran la vendida de los falsos profetas y hombres enganosos.
(Mt. 7:15; 16:6-11; 24:4-24; Marcos. 4:24; 8:15; Lucas 12:l; 17:23).

Se deben poner "fuera de communinon" a los falsos enganadores y "FALSOS, predicadores.
(ts.5:21; !I juan 4:1.(MESA DIRECTIVA)

PONERLOS a prueba POR LA FALTA DE INTREGRIDAD:

Estos que apartan "GRANDES CANTIDADES DE DINERO PARA ELLOS, QUE NO ADMINISTRAN LAS FIANANZAS CON INTEGRIDAD, NI RESPONSABILIDAD, NI "DAN" "REPORTE",
"ABOLUTOS".

Estos impostores obtienen un lugar de influencia en la Iglesia, La Asamblea de dos maneras:


1,Algunos comienzan su ministerio con sinceridad, verdad, pureza y fe genuina en Cristo.

Luego, por su orgullo y sus deseos pecaminosos, van engallando a sus consagracion sin tener NADA DE AMOR ni temor a Cristo Jesus.

Se aparten del reino de Dios (1 Col.6:9-10; Galatas 5:18-21 y Efe. 5:5-6) y se convierten en instumentos de Satanas (2Co. 11:15).
(2) Satanas los ha plantado en la Asamblea desde el prinicipio que estos Lobos Rapases vieneron a la Asamblea., (Mateo 13:24-28; 36-43)

VALIENDOSE DE LA SINCERIDAD DE LOS PASTORES Y DE LOS HERMANOS.

BURLANDOSE, ESTA MESA DIRECTIVA DE LOS ESFUERSOS Y TRABAJOS DE LOS HERMANOS QUE DAN SU DINERO Y SUS ESFUERSOS A LA OBRA DE DIOS.

PERO ESTOS "ASALARIDOS" GANADORES DE DINERO QUE NO ES DE ELLOS, QUE ROBAN AL RFBANO...

ESTOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA DE LA ASAMBLEA..Y USTEDES TODOS ESTAN DORMIDOS.

CUANDO ESTAN, HACIENDO TODAVIA "FRAUDE" EN ELECCIONES,

Y EN FINANCIAS, Y EN HACER "OTRA CORPORACION" QUE SOLO TIENE (3) MIEMBROS:
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE Y PACHECO.

Y QUE ESTAN "REFIANCIANDO" TEMPLOS, Y VENDIENDOLOS
Y "ENTRE CAMBIANDO" "TEMPLOS" DE UNA AREA A OTRA AREA.,

A IZQUERDIA, Y DERECHA, SIN QUE NADIE LES DIGA NADA....POR MIEDO DE SER "LINCHADOS."

Y NADIE LES "RECLAMA" A ESTOS.
QUE DEBEMOS DE DECIRLES EN SUS CARAS---

"EL ASALARIADO"
HAN ASUMIDO EL CARGO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA COMO "UN NEGOCIO" Y DICEN EN "BURLA"

"CON QUE ME DEN,""Y ME DEN" "Y ME DEN, Y MAS Y MAS Y MAS DINERO Y ENRIQUECERSE!!

VIVEN COMO "RICOS" PERO USTEDES COMO VIVEN?

Y CUANTOS "TRABAJOS TIENEN QUE TENER PARA PODER SALIR A LA SEMANA DE SUS "COMPROMISOS"?

Y LA MESA DIRECTIVA ,AUN ESPERAN

"CON MANOS ABIERTAS"

LOS DIEZMOS DE DIEZMOS DE USTEDES.,

Y DE LA "FLOR AZUL", Y DEL DINERO QUE ESPERAN EN LA CONVENTION... DE $10,000.00, $5,000.00
Y DE $2,500.00

DIOS NO NOS PIDE ESTOS.!

PERO LA MESA DIRECTIVA , SI LO PIDEN,

SIN TAN VERGUENZA, PARA SUS SALARIOS DE $10.000.00 POR MES

Y A LA VEZ LA mesa directiva tiene "otro salario" de la iglesia que "disque" pastoreran, solo por los DOMINGOS.

PARA IR A "RECOJER EL DINERO."

"ESTOS" "SON ASALARIADOS" TODOS LOS QUE AMAN EL BENEFICIO MAS QUE EL OFICIO!!!!
.
A ESTOS NO LES IMPORTA DE "LAS OVEJAS",PORQUE ELLOS NO SABEN EL "VALOR" QUE TIENEN "LAS OVEJAS" EN LOS OJOS DE DIOS.

Y QUE HACEN ESAS "OVEJAS"? HUYEN, CORREN, CUANDO VIENEN "LOS LOBOS".

POR ESTA RAZON HEMOS PERDIDO LA MUCHA PARTE DE LA 3,4, 5 GENERACION APOSOTOLICA.

PERO A ESTOS "ASALARIADOS" NO LES IMPORTA POR ESTAS ALMAS,

AL FIN Y AL CAVO, VIENEN NUEVOS "IMINGRANTES" QUE DAN MUCHO DINERO....

Y COMO SON "NUEVOS" NO SABEN LA "HISTORIA DE LA ASAMBLEA,"

NI DE QUE "RANCHO" VIENEN ESTOS, ESTOS "ASALARIDOS"

HAN APRENDIO MUY BIEN, COMO HACER "FRAUDE" Y COMO "SACARLE MAS DINERO POR "LA FLOR AZUL" Y GRANDE BANQUETES DE "MEDALLA DE ORO", DE PLATA Y DE BRONCE.!!!!
QUE NOS ESPERA EN LA CONVENCION.

TODOS LOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, BUSCAN SU PROPIA "SEGURIDAD" MAS QUE SU DEBER, DE LA OBRA DE DIOS.,


Y SON AHORA "FACIL PRESA" DE LAS TENTACIONES DE SANTANAS, DE ROBO, Y DE "REFINANDIAR" Y ENTRE CAMBIAR IGLESIAS, Y HACER "OTRA CORPORACION."

SON ABSOLUTOS Y NO LE DAN "CUENTA A NADIE!!!!!"


Y NADIE PUEDE HACER NADA, "PORQUE LA MESA DIRECTIVA YA "SABENUESTRA DIVILIAD.....QUE OBEDECEMOS "AL PATRONISMO, Y AL MACHISMO, Y AL NACIONALISMO.., CUAN ELLOS REPRSENTAN...

NO PUEDEN HACER NADA, PORQUE NO "HAY UNIDAD ENTRE EL CUERPO MINISTERIAL!!!!

NI NUNCA HABRA!!!!

POR ESO HERMANO O HERMANA MECHA:

DIGO ESTO PARA ACLARAR QUE NO TIENE NINGUNA CARA "SANCHEZ DE DECIR ESTO SOBRE LA IGLESIA DE MONTEBELLO...

EL "DESCARO" DE ESTE "INDIVIDO"
...
NO TIENE, Y ME PROCUPA MUCHO QUE NO SABE LO QUE HACE. PORQUE NECESITA AREPENTIRSE ANTES QUE SEA MUY TARDE."

DECIRSE EN LA CARTA QUE NOS ENVIO EN SEPTIEMBRE, SOBRE SU GRANDE "EXCELLENCIA"

ASI COMO HABLO "HITLER" HABLA ESTE SANCHEZ, ASI COMO HABLO "CASTRO" HABLAN ESTOS INDIVIDOS, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, MA, Y PACHECO, Y AGUILAR.


DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA, Y CONTESTE NUESTRAS ORACIONES QUE ESTAN EN EL TRONO DE NUESTRO GRAN DIOS....
"QUE ESTOS INDIVIDOS SALGAN!!!

A SANCHEZ, VALVARDE Y PACHECO Y AGUILAR Y MA SE LES DEBE DE HACER UNA EXAMEN DE SU
"MENTALIDAD INFANTIL"

"SOBRE EL YO"OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Y LOS DEMAS "VALEN NADA", SEGUN ELLOS.
LA ASAMBLEA TIENE MIEMBROS QUE SON ABOGADOS, JUECES, Y PARALEGALES, Y OTROS QUE CONOCEN BIEN LAS LEYES.
TAMBIEN PERSONAS EN "BIENES Y RACIES"...

PERO A NADIE LE INPORTA. SABEN MUY BIEN QUE LA MESA DIRECTIVA SE ESTA APROVECHANDO, DE LA BONDAD DE LOS PASTORES...
Y DE ESO SE APROVECHAN.


PERO DIREMOS "QUE HAY UN GRAN DIOS EN LOS CIELOS QUE TOMARA ESTOS EN SUS MANOS",

PORQUE LA PALABRA DE DIOS DICE, PARA "ESTA MESA DIRECTIVA"....

"HORENDA COSA ES CALLER EN LAS MANOS DEL DIOS VIVO...!!!!!!"

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AlembicE:
Praise the Lord;

What's going to happen to the 2nd. Church in Houston?

MAY I ANSWER YOU;

THE "HONORABLES" WILL SELL IT, AND "TRANSFER" THE FUNDS TO THE "NEW CORPORATION" THEY HAVE IN TEXAS.

WHAT ELSE???
THIS IS WHY THEY WANT THESE CHURCHES EMPTY...

GOD BLESS YOU.

BUT EVERYONE IS "ASLEEP" AND DOES NOT "CARE" AS LONG AS THEIR "LINDO CAFETAL" "COFFEE PLANTATION" IS FINE, WHO CARES ABOUT THE OTHER AA CHURCHES....

the gbm is already "negociating" the Montebello church, that Pastor zuniga had, and the same with the "Midland church" and now Houston...
"MORE MONEY FOR THEIR "DOUBLE SALARIES." AND THE REST TO "TRANSPER TO THEIR "PRIVATELY OWNED CORPORATION"!!!!

WHO CARE????? JUST YOU BROTHER. ....

THE BIG PAY CHECKS THEY HAVE EVERY FOUR WEEKS COME OFTEN.. EVERY (4) WEEKS....

IT MUST BE A "NIGHT MARE" FOR THE GBM...TRESURER MA TO HAVE TO "COME UP WITH THAT MONEY FOR ALL EIGHT GBM, EVERY FOUR WEEKS....

WHAT A '\"NIGHT MARE"

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Dear Remembering:
Praise the Lord:

I have read your past comments, and you also know alot of history of the AA.
Thank you for understanding, that the reason I write as I do is because of the "selfrighteness" that this GBM declares to themselves and others.

My comments are only a "reminder" that men are men. and we have to be very careful that we do God's will.

To remind these "individuals of the GBM" is hopefully to try to "neutralize" them...
But they are hopeless.

But we need to know where these GBM individuals are coming from.

God bless you and keep up the GREAT WORK, that you are doing for the Lord.

Remembering said...

PRAISE REPORT!

The injustices that were done to Pastor Abel Torres by the General Board will NEVER compare to the many blessings God is pouring over them. The pastor and the church are enjoying all God is giving them. God will take care of the rest. They will be celebrating a great service with other churches who will be visiting on Oct 24-26 with Brother Juan Campos as their speaker. The church goes on!

Anonymous said...

These ladies are truly anointed. A friend emailed this to me and I wanted to share.

Anointed By Christ!

Apparently these ladies are from Dr. Rodriguez' church. God bless them!

SLJ said...

With Halloween around the corner, what would be scarier then your own Sanchez, Malverde, and Pacheco masks.
Go to the AA site copy and paste their pictures and make your mask, then go door to door asking for love offerings.

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SolidRock said...

To Lighthouse....

Thank you for sharing that video of those sisters.

In your previous blog you stated that you were "readily available" to answer questions about the summit and the new fellowship started up by the plaintiffs.

I have posted several questions to you and i am wondering if you have any answers yet?

God bless

Thanks for the memories said...

solaadeigloria
are you trying to be
funny or are you
out of it.
these blogs to
expose the Mesa Directiva.
if you are confused,
you seem to be,
then shut up and move
out of the blogs.
your comment on
October 16,08
@11:22 is completely
a waste.

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