So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?
Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.
Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.
You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.
I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".
Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.
You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.
Back to the Revolutionaries...
If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.
I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.
Apostolic Voice
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For our revolutionaries....
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Sure it has become boring?
Because we are all "agast" and perplexed and astonished at the "refinancing of the Lord's Churches of the Aposotlic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus.
And no body my dear sister or brother cares.
Just pray your own prayer to the Lord of Host to defend His Church's properties.
God bless you.
Do reseaarch on Your own church property and post what you find.
Thank you. Good night.
I was a pastor of the AA at one time. The property we had wasn't as attractive to the leaders as they would of liked finacially speaking.
Now I am out pastoring out of the AA and never thought it could be so great without man's claws over you.
The problem I have with everybody fighting about properties is that as a pastor of the AA the by-laws state that the properties have to be under the title of the AA.
If you work for a company that has policies and procedures that you don't like you just leave that company and find another.
No one has forced anyone of these pastors to pastor in the AA. If you don't want to pay your 10% of 10% and put your property on the AA name get out and find an organization that you'll be happy with.
No I am not defending the practices of the AA, but if you want to be a pastor with the AA, please read the policies and procedures before you make a decision that you'll regret and cry later.
That's right. Don't place any more churches under the name of the AA. Some of those Pastors are getting away with it and with the knowledge of the gb. BUT OF COURSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR FRIENDS, BOARD MEMBERS, FAMILY, ETC.
Looks like the revolution (emotion) is over.
You can start packing for convention again.
When they heard this, they were furious and plotted to kill them. Then one in the council stood up, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in respect by all the people, and commanded them to put the apostles outside for a little while. And he said to them: “Men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody. A number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was slain, and all who obeyed him were scattered and came to nothing. After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away many people after him. He also perished, and all who obeyed him were dispersed. And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God.”
Acts 5
What's your point Sola la loca?
cbg
Get yourself into a bible believing church and quit playing games.
¡Amen! ¡to that Sola!
Sola la loca,
You're so spiritual I wanna be just like you and your peeps when I become religious! ALL TALK AND MEANS NOTHING! Dumb ..ss!
CBG
Who are you? And what is your purpose on this blog. What is it your searching looking for. Somebody in the Assmbly really messed you up.
Find Christ! Before you get worse.
Sola la loca,
It's religious people like you that try, TRY to come on so religious that gets to me. I have been reading all your post and your peeps and you talk a big spiritual game, but YOU HAVE NOTHING, IT MEANS NOTHING, and I wouldn't take anything you say about God as valuable.
I know so many apostolics that are just like you, talk a mouthful of NOTHING! The only difference between the GB and you is that they show their true colors!
CBG
You are very confused (and angry). I am nothing like the GB and the way you describe me. You have a lot of anger. And your anger has clouded your judgment.
On this blog the term “spiritual” is used as “myth”. On this blog, nothing is spiritual only behavioral. Stop following men. You will be disappointed. (Sounds like you are already) Even if you don’t lie me, Christ is still your hope.
You cannot change the AA.
So be happy that your eyes have been opened up to how the true inner workings of this corrupt organization are.
Be happy that you have been alerted so that you may jump off of this sinking ship called The AA.
Why do so many have such a hard time quitting this exclusive club ?
Is it that you feel the AA is the only true church ?
Is it that you feel that you cannot fellowship with all your friends in the AA if you are branded a backslider or rebel ?
How sad it is that you all care so much about an Organization that is just an exclusive and elite club of pharisee's that have an air of superiority and arrogance over them.
The same Organization that abandons it's own and turns it's back on you if you do not follow their un biblical and man made edicts and mandates to the letter of the law.
What do you call it when a person elevates Man and and Organization above all else including God ?
Idolatry that's it !
The AA is in most part worshipping the GB.
CBG
If you truly believe that this forum is to better inform the Church, why not be a source of info instead of a source of bitter feeling and inappropriate language? If we are better than whom we criticize let us act on it.
quin322,
I'm glad you responded thanks, and you also prove my point. This forum is to better inform the Church, NOT have SOla la loca come out with her biblical blabber that means nothing. We already have the GB that does that we don't need another religious dumb ..ss to do the same.
I grew up in the church, AND NOBODY HURT ME personally, but i HAVE SEEN so many Sola la locas that frankly you get tired of people like her that talk spiritually down to people. If I was to meet her in person her life would probably have no affect on anybody!
"If we are better than whom we criticize let us act on it." YES, YESS, and YESSSS! enough of the spiritual tal Sola la loca it hasn't DONE A THING!
CBG
You keep responding to my comments. Obviously they have some affect on you.
You say you grew up in the church, but if you are like most Apostolics, you only assimilated into the ‘culture of the church” and were not born into the body of Christ. This explains the way you feel and talk.
sola dei gloria said, "CBG-You keep responding to my comments. Obviously they have some affect on you."
GET OVER YOURSELF!!! See that's my point exactly YOU'RE SO FULL OF YOUR RELIGIOUS SPIRIT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE BEYOND YOURSELF!
NOT everything has to be spiritual. STOP defining words and comments. Speak like a normal, down to earth human being, and maybe someone more intelligent than your peeps will conside your posts.
CBG
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Wake up Apostolico!!
Dear You wish you knew
and for the information on all
Younger generation bloggers:
Praise the Lord:
At the beginning of the Apostolic Assemby of the Faith in Christ Jesus Incorporated.
It was decided by that "old timers founders" that the properties of the Churches should be in the name of THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED a Corporation, as a non-profit Corporation and be at the same time be
tax excempt.
Also to protect the Congregations from any "Pastors" OF FAMILIES" taking the property into his, OR THEIR OWN HANDS, and profitting from it being that the congregations
were AND ARE the "little bees making the honey!!!!!!!!"
The workers...I ALSO knew many pastors that would "roll up their sleeves" and also make dough for the "tamales" and go themselves and sell them in groceries stores,
parks,factories etc.
Fund raising to first "buy the lots and then build the churches.
Much of the work CONSTRUCTION BHURCH BUILDIN WAS done by members,
after their own 10 hour or more day work,AND ON weekend.
On cold days, and on extremely Hot days. In rain and heat, they would endlessly work to build these churches.
So because many did not know like you Pastor "You wish u knew"
the Pastors of those Old founders, did not really know how to form or even go about "forming" their own Corporation to be a non-profit tax exempt.
Or to be recognized by their given State licenses to preform Marriages that would be recognized by that given State, or to be recognized as an Ordained Minister, these ministers would "answer God's call to be ministers, fully ordained by the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in
Christ Jesus Incorporated.
But now you and many know how to 'INCORPORATE, NON PROFIT AND BE FULLY ORDAINED AND ALSO RECOGNIZED BY YOUR GIVEN STATE TO PREFORMED "STATE RECOGNIZED" MARRIAGES TO BE FILED WITH THE COUNTY CLERK, TO BE A VALID MARRIAGE FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN.
I specifically remember an "Old timer Bishop stating that "no church should belong to "one said family or to "one said Pastor" so those individuals would not "take it into their own hands and "dispose of that Church property" that was really paid for with "tithes, offering and work projects as fund raisers, BY THE CHURCH MEMBERS.
THIS "OLD TIMER BISHOP" ADDED THAT IF THE CHURCH PROPERTY AND OTHER ASSETS WERE IN THE NAME OF THE NON PROFIT CORPORATION OF THE AA., THEN THIS CHURCH AND ITS PROPERTY WOULD BE THERE AND HERE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO USE AND HAVE A PLACE OF WORSHIP TO THE LORD WHERE IT BELONGED TO THE PASTOR AND TO THE CONGREGATION AND NOT TO ONE 'SOLE PERSON OR FAMILY,'
BUT TO BELONG TO "FUTURE GENERATIONS OF THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED.....
B U T...NOW THESE "VOLTURES".....
GBM????????
Most of these Pastors, have either been part of that "Older generation" now gone to be with the Lord.
Most OF THE EXISTING PASTORS WE BELONG TO AND ARE descendents of those "Old timers Pastors or "Old timers" Apostolic Assembly families..
And WE AS Pastors, since WE NEVER "thought" NO harm would come to us, and since we are "in all actuality", serving God and members of the AA.
Never would
imagine in OUR "wildest" NIGHT MARE, THAT THERE WOULD BE 'LOBOS RAPASES, LIKE THESE GBM THAT WOULD
DO 'FRAUD' BY "REFINANCING " THE CHURCHES THAT DO NOT BELONG TO THEM, NOR TO the GBM EFFORTS.......
YOU ARE SO RIGHT...RIGHT ON...
Pastor "You wish u knew:
Its the more "attractive money diggers GBM, ON THE MORE EXPENSE CITIES OR STATES THAT THESE Churches, in a more expensive locale that thESE 'VOLTURES' ARE SEEKING OUT TO 'REFINANCE!!!!!!.
BUT IO WAS 'SHOCKED TO HEAR' SOME OF THESE CHURCHES ARE IN PLACES WHERE THE CHURCHES PROPERTIES ARE NOT ' AFFLUENT', BUT STILL TO THE GBM 'MONEY IS MONEY....!!!!!!!
Plus do not forget that the GBM have their FINANCE CONTACT, PRABABLY 'PACHECO'S OR AGUILAR OR VALVERDE'S. That get a "kick back"
on points for "doing the refinancing transactions."
I get very "SAD" because Henry Palma is an EXPERT IN REAL ESTATE...AND SO IS SALVADOR MENDOZA AND SAUL AVILA FROM TEXAS, AND WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
TO GIVE US MORE 'CONCRETE' INFO ON THE "REFINACING PROCEDURES.".
SINCE WE WERE BIBLE TAUGHT THAT THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY HAS THE DOCTRINE OF THE APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS HIMSELF.
THE 'OLD TIMER' PASTORS AND TODAYS HONEST AND GOD FEARING PASTORS, BELIEVE THAT THE GBM ARE "ANNOINTED GOD FEARING MEN OF GOD.' HA HA HA:
THAT THE GBM IS "ONLY DOING" JUSTICE, FOR HAVING BEEN "FALSELY SWED FOR "ELECTION FRAUD".
For you and many younger Pastors that have left, the AA, and are doing God's will and obeying the Doctrine of the Apostles and Prophets and of Jesus Christ Himself.
I respect all of you tremendously....May the Lord continue to bless you.
We will continue to "Pray" for the Lord of Hosts to defend the Apostolic Assembly, as the Church that was founded to "bring Souls into the fold of the Lord Jesus Christ.
God will prevail...and God will expose these "VOLTURES' THE GBM...
IN JESUS NAME.
WE ARE THE CHURCH, WE ARE THE CHURCH PROPERTIES OWNERS WE ARE THE WORKERES. GOD WILL HONOUR THAT!!!!!!!!!
GO........ TO THE CONVENTION AND LET THE GBM KNOW THAT THEY ARE "REALLY HAS BEENS," AND VERY SOON..
WE MUST LOVE AND RESPECT GOD AND CHURCH AND LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER. AND EXPOSE GOD'S ENEMIES.,GOD'S EXPLOITERS AND CHURCH PROPERTY EXPLOITORS....RUBUKE THEM LORD JESUS, IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME.
Stop looking for a " Pat," on your shoulder and a "FEATHER ON YOUR HAT" TO 'HONOUR THE GBM.
EXPOSE THEM FOR "FRAUD" IN ELECTIONS AND "FRAUD" IN "REFINANCING AND SELLING OUR CHURCH PROPERTIES."
GOD BLESSING BE WITH YOU.
THANKS ALSO TO "CAMINANDO VOY".
SOLA: I DO NOT SEE YOU LEAVING THE AA. TO A BIBLE TACHING CHURCH, AS YOU SAY::::::
YOU ARE JUST A 'JOHNNY COME LATELY FROM MARTIN DEL CAMPO'S CAMP.
THAT IS WHY YOU 'POST COMMENTS' AS YOU DO.
THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY WAS FOUNDED AS A PLACE OF WORSHIP TO THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS.
AND IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE ANY SAID GBM NOW OR EVER.
IF THE GBM IS "REFINANCING OUR CHURCH PROPERTIES" and DEPOSITING THE MONIES IN THE NEW CORPORATION FORMED BY SANCHEZ, PACHECO AND VALVERDE ,
NAMED APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS, AND TO PAY FOR THE PROPERTY THE TEXAS BOARD MEMBERS, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO BOUGHT IN DALLAS, TEXAS , AND WE 'JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND BE IN COMPLETE 'DENIAL' THAT IS 'DANDY' AND FINE AND FULL OF JOY IN THE WESTERN FRONT".
THEN WE ALL NEED TO
"WAKE UP AND DEMAND FOR US TO BE "PART OF THE REVOLUTIONARIES FOR JUSTICE"..
BUT, "OUR WEAKNESS" IS WE ARE, NOT "UNITED" AND WE ARE BETRAYING EACH OTHER AND WE ARE TRUTHLESS AND NOT LOVING EACH OTHER.
AND WE ARE TOLD BY PEOPLE TO "leave".
no one has a "right to tell any of us to LEAVE.....
THE ASSEMBLY IS GOD'S FOUNDED CHURCH WHERE WE WORHIP.
THE BIBLE STATES: "NO DEJAIES VUESTRAS CONGREGACIONES', COMO MUCHOS TIENEN POR COSTOMBRES"
IF IT HAS BEEN "EXPLOITED" AND BECOME "MAN MADE "LEGALIZED" IT can be "changed in Jesus name."
"WE STAY ON" BECAUSE DEAR SOLA......
IT COST US P L E N T Y.........
BUT NOT YOU NOR "MARTIN DEL CAMPO ALSO A "JOHNNY COME LATELY" FROM MEXICO..
He is a "BROWN NOSER" AND "BETRAYER TO LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO "INFORMER AND SPY TO :
"SANCHEZ, VALVAERDE AND PACHECO.
MAY THE LORD OF HOSTS HAVE MERCY ON US AND THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED.
PLEASE PRAY...GOD ANSWERS PRAYERS.
THANK YOU JESUS...
Thank you for continuing to prove my point!
Are you human, or are you always this spiritual? Do you walk on water? Maybe you're related to Abel Aguilar!
Here's a Scripture for you, "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Corinthians 3:6.
I'll be waiting for your response, cause knowing you, you'll have this deep, profound, spiritual comment to make LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO!!!
cbg
Thank you for proving my point.
If the Christain does not have the goaL of a spiritual life, then what’s the use? Stop struggling with the flesh. Accept Christ and move forward.
CBG
One more thing.
If you are un-converted, how do you use scripture to prove a point.
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:14
Sola la loca,
LOL LOL LOL, You just can't help yourself can't you! I think you were deprived in the church, and nobody let you talk as a teenager. So now you're out to show the world how much you know!
Do you walk on water? I'm just curious that's all.
Sola la loca,
Do I discern a human emotion? Do you have human feeling? I don't know with you being so spiritual and all! Hey, doesn't the Bible says that, "Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue." Proverbs 17:27
Yet you keep on talking, and talking, and talking, and........
ALL TALK BUT NO CHANGE!
Sorry Proberbs 17:28! ;-}
CBG
Where does all this scripture come from.
You kept telling everyone on this blog you weren’t a Christian. All of a sudden you are making a "leap of faith” and borrowing capital from Christianity.
Why? Is that wrong? My point is this, see if you can catch it! Even though I'm not a Christian I can sound like one when I borrow capital from Christianity (why can't you just say quote Scripture)!
You sounding all spiritual because YOU ALWAYS borrow capital from Christianity DOES NOT MAKE YOU WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE.
Come down from your spiritual high horse and talk to people like a normal human being (that might b to much to ask)!
CBG
Paul tells Timothy in his second letter (2:23-25), "Avoid foolish and undisciplined questions, knowing that they produce quarrels, and a servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but must be gentle toward all, skillful in teaching, patient, one who courteously instructs those who oppose themselves, if perhaps God may grant them conversion unto a genuine knowledge of truth." The man who attacks the truth of God's word is opposing himself -- like a child who slaps his father's face while sitting on his lap. If it were not for the father's gracious support, no one could insult Him! To oppose the outlook of God's revelation is to work against everything that you are as a creature of God. Men know the truth about God -- not a god, but the living and true God with all His divine attributes but attempt to suppress it. Paul says that God has revealed it to them (all of them!), and not left it up to natural theology or philosophic argumentation; they know the truth about God inherently and confront it everywhere they look around their environment: natural, social, psychological. The Almighty God is able to speak without stuttering, without ambiguity, without confusion, and Paul declares that He has spoken. God (even outside the written word) has made his word plain to all creatures made in His image. And because of their sin (which to recognize would entail too much emotional trauma and changing of one's ways of life and thinking) they push down that revelation, putting a pseudo-god in the Creator's place (e.g. self-reliance, finances, intellectual prowess, etc.). Yet without that revelation from God there would be no connection between the particulars of experience and the principles of logic, no uniformity to be discerned in nature, no harmony between the one and the many (unity and diversity), etc., etc. So when men who work from humanistic assumptions come to refute the gospel, they oppose themselves and are prevented from finding the truth. Our reply must be from a different foundation, from the foundation graciously planted under us by God in His saving mercy: His Word. Although our task may not be reciting memory verses (!), it is to represent the teaching of scripture in the most clear and forcible way, showing its internal strength in contrast to the foolishness of humanism. We never go over to our opponent's foundation except to do an internal critique of it; our weapons are not forged by the enemies of God but by the Spirit of God. These alone can meet the onslaughts against our faith without wavering. "The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; casting down reasonings, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to obedience to Christ" (2 Cor. 10:4-5).
Blessings! Please read the below letter prayerfully especially you Obama voters.
A Hymn To Hitler
By Lori Kalner
In Germany, when Hitler came to power, it was a time of terrible financial depression. Money was worth nothing. In Germany people lost homes and jobs, just like in the American Depression in the 1930s, which we have read about in Thoene's Shiloh books.
In those days, in my homeland, Adolph Hitler was elected to power by promising "Change." He blamed the "Zionists" around the world for all our problems. He told everyone it was greedy Zionist bankers who had caused every problem we had. He promised when he was leader, the greedy Zionist bankers would be punished. The Zionists, he promised, would be wiped off the face of the earth.
So Hitler was elected to power by only 1/3 the popular vote. A coalition of other political parties in parliament made him supreme leader. Then, when he was leader, he disgraced and expelled everyone in parliament who did not go along with him. Yes. Change came to my homeland as the new leader promised it would.
The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler. This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth Movement. It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Hymns in praise of Hitler and his programs were being sung in the schoolrooms and in the playyard. Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school.
My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school. The political hymns of children proclaimed Change was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust.
I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear. He knew that the best propaganda of the Nazis was song on the lips of little children.
That evening before he said grace at the dinner table, he placed his hands upon the heads of my brothers and me and prayed the Living Word upon us from Jeremiah 1:4-5…
“Now the Word of the Lord came to me, saying,
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations."
Soon the children's songs praising the Fuhrer were heard everywhere on the streets and over the radio. "With our Fuhrer to lead us, we can do it! We can change the world!"
Soon after that Papa, a pastor, was turned away from visiting elderly parishioners in hospitals. The people he had come to bring comfort of God's Word, were "no longer there."
Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care? It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as "mercy killing" became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized.
People whispered, "Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering…And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden." And so murder was called mercy.
The government took over private business. Industry and health care were "nationalized." (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. (Perhaps you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht in the book Munich Signature)
The world and God's Word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the
people economic Change? Not change. It was, rather, Lucifer's very ancient delusion leading to destruction.
What began with the propaganda of children singing a catchy tune ended in the deaths of millions of children. The reality of what came upon us is so horrible that you in this present generation cannot imagine it. Our suffering is too great to ever tell in a book or show in a black and white newsreel.
When I spoke to Bodie about some of these things, she wept and said she could not bear to write them. Perhaps one day she will, but I asked her, "who could bear to read our suffering?"
Yet with my last breaths I warn every Christian and Jew now in the name of the Lord.
Unless your course of the church in America is spiritually changed now, returning to the Lord, there are new horrors yet to come.
I trembled last night when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah.
Yet I have heard what this man Obama says about abortion and the "mercy killing" of tiny babies who are not wanted. There are so few of us left to warn you.
I have heard that there are 69 million Catholics in America and 70 million Evangelical Christians. Where are your voices? Where is your outrage? Where is yourpassion and your vote? Do you vote based on an abortionist's empty promises and economics? Or do you vote according to the Bible?
Thus says the Lord about every living child still in the womb… "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you…" I have experienced the signs of the politics of death in my youth. I see them again now. Christians! Unless you stand up now, you will lose your freedom of religion.
In America priests and preachers have already lost their freedom to speak openly from their pulpits of moral danger in political candidates. They cannot legally instruct you of which candidate holds fast to the precepts of scripture! American law forbids this freedom of speech to conservative pastors or they will lose their "tax exempt" status.
And yet I have heard the words of Obama's pastor damning America! I have heard the words of Obama damning and mocking all of you in small towns because you "Cling to your religion…"
But I am a woman whose name is unknown. My life is recorded as a work of fiction. I have no fear of reprisal when I speak truth to you from the pages of a book. (Though the Zion Covenant books are mocked and condemned by the Left in America.)
I am an old woman and will soon go to be with my Lord. I have no fear for myself, but for all of you and for your children, I tremble. I tremble at the hymns to a political leaders which your children will sing at school. (Though even now a hymn or a prayer to God and our Lord Jesus is against the law in public school!)
Your vote must put a stop to what will come upon America if Barrack Obama is elected. I pray you will personally heed this warning for the sake of your children and your grandchildren. Do not be deceived.
The Lord in Jeremiah 1:7-8 commands every believer to speak up! "Do not say, 'I am only a youth,' for to all whom I send you, you shall go, and whatever I command you, you shall speak. Do not be afraid of them for I am with you, declares the Lord!"
I am in prayer for you, and for the Church! Spoken to you in the authority of Jesus the Christ, the Name above all names!
Lori Kalner
Thank you CBG.
Another fine “Apostolic mind”.
What a Dumb –ss!!!
WOW!!!! What happened to the spiritual, intellectual Christian who would not use derrogatory language to speak to others?
I guess you're no different than me hu! You might be a Christian but you're just like all the others - ALL TALK AND NO REAL SUBSTANCE.
So STOP caping on apostolics, cause you're no different!
Thought for the day
Thank you for all of your historical perspectives on the Apostolic Assembly. But these young people don’t need a history lesson on the past, they need a vision for the future.
sola la loca said, "Thought for the day - Thank you for all of your historical perspectives on the Apostolic Assembly. But these young people don’t need a history lesson on the past, they need a vision for the future."
And I guess YOU HAVE the vision hu! There you go again showing your true colors and talking down to apostolic young people.
I'm sure glad you're NOT apostolic, cause I couldn't stomach another hypocrite who is full of herself like the GB!
Hey guys... Looks like here in the Los Angeles area not that many people know what is going on or know about the blog! You guys need to do some viral marketing.
That will really get it going.
Oh I know, all other areas as well.. yes I know will take alot of $$$$ spread the word? chain/text mail? oh well.
? Why hasn't the blogmaster had any new posts/updates?
Also... The new texas orginization, 3 positions right? What about the rest? Ismael martin del campo? is there room for him @ the new texas organization?
Also, This all sucks! So many souls lost! All because some fat guys in suits did not want to get up to clean the house. Dang!!!!!!
See what I mean, he takes the bait all the time! Hahahaha
SOOOO????
Meanwhile back at the ranch (Rancho Cucamonga they're awaiting those $10 plants so they can turn around and sell them for $1 to make themselves some money! Keep sending them. Ha-ha
SO . . . the revolution is over!
The leaders carrying out this revolution had no vision, no plan and thus failed!
All can return home and seek God for once instead of seek revenge!
Amen Seeker!
Seeker
In case you don't know there are at least 20 churches in the new organization that was recently formed that I know about and great things are happening. Lots others are preparing to make their exit from the AA that's being run into the ground by the money hungry regime.
So if you're happy there then stuff your money in your pockets and head for the Gaylord Convention so you can hand it over when they start with the Mega Offerings maybe you can get a gold medal. Don't forget to set aside a few bucks so you can hit the dollar menus at McDonalds while your gb gods go to their fancy restaurants.
Caminando voy
Let’s say the new organization gets 100o new churches, what’s the guarantee that the new organization won’t end up like the old one.
Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
Matthew 9:17
hmm, you are assuming I am part of the AA still. The Gaylord is nice though!
Isn't sad that pastors and leaders would run instead of confronting the matter? O'well!
Sola and Seeker
And what are you all doing to try to bring about change?
Well, are you seeking for truth? if you are not a seeker you will not know what i am about.
Caminando voy
I’m glad you asked.
First thing I did was go to school and become more doctrinally trained.
I can’t say much more now, but I am working on a lot of things for the future.
They did confront the situation and that is why they were ousted or haven't you heard. And that's probably why you and everyone else is too scared to do anything.
Sola
How could they stay and fight, THEY WERE OUSTED! So you already know what's going to happen to the org. Well thanks a lot for your well wishes. I didn't know you were a prophet also.
I have not left the Assembly.
CBG needs me.
Caminando voy
Don’t let the emotions take over.
I’m on your side.
It’s going to take time.
Keep it going Seeker!
The reason i left was not due to the 2006 elections even though i disagree with it: Big Time!
My reason for leaving was over doctrinal reason and man made rules which are imposed on the poeple. This is the reason why i left and brought this issue to my church leaders. I left to seek truth! not another organization.
Okay so is there any news to what happened at Brother Abel Aguilar church. I heard something but I need to make sure it is valid. Can anyone confirm that Bro. John Arcovio was at brother Aguilar's church and that Brother Arcovio said that by Jan 15 the organization board members would fall. Then Brother Aguilar jumped up and say that it was true what John Arcovio was saying can you all let me know.
In case you didn't notice Sola la loca and seeker got something going on.
I'm sure the new organization will need somebody so doctrinally trained like Sola la loca. She and seeker kow sooooo much what could anyone do without them, PLEEEAAASSSSEEE! GET OVER YOURSELVES.
I hope people find out who you are so they can steer clear from you. Oh and seeker - WHAT A DUMB ..SS!
THE revolution is over? Far From it
Changes are taking place, ideas and events an more future events to Extend the kingdom of God
many things are going to happen and remember the new association is working to make a change.The only change that is taking place in the assamblea is a better coverage of future frauds..better lawyers and bigger pockets for the old regime of mafia bosses known as the the mesa directiva. . Our first activity was with pastor Zuniga had about 200 people and that was just for a first activity. So now its not over
over is the mentality of Worshipping the feet of the valverde sanchez and eddie. Over is looking foward to conventions where 500000 dollars would be spend to show the power of Men
and not the power of God. Everyone trying to please the ways of mesas directivas, searching for positions that will satisfy the calling of your family members, where your the blessing would be to be set aside to get a credential of the holy assamblea. The revolutionaries are tired of seeking after men and now we are Seeking after God. TO grow and bring People to Christ.. To be a Deciples of Christ and not of a system of Control.. Because after all of these have being said..
What Good is it to have the title of Bishop and THe kingdom of God does not know your name...
What Good is it to make over 75000 and you cannot reflect the Kingdom of GOd.. What Good is it own houses and churches But the kingdom of God does not Recognize you.. Instead of the Kingdom we have an association of the assemblea with a past Glory, that will always talk about the days of old.
cbg, go home and cry to your two dads! hahahaha!
Ed
Let me ask you a question.
Why do I need an organization to seek God?
Seeker, I will if you tell everybody who's you daddy! ME!!!!!!!!!!!
Who's your daddy seeker. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
well, gotta go everyone. and cbg forgive me, i was just messing around! anyways God Bless!
ANY ONE GOING TO COMMENT/ANSWER MY QUESTION?
hahahaha! este cbg . . . My pops past away, and i don't think he would have internet access.
Seeker, that makes two of us, but I think my daddy can see everything from heaven!
Oh wait a minute, am I doctrinally correct in saying that Sola la loca? I wan to make sure I'm as spiritually correct as you are! LOL LOL LOL LOL
Quit playing games CBG.
Are you with the body of Christ or not?
TAKE IT EASY SOLA...! Temper, temper. Show your Christian side now. :-}
cbg
Can you answer the question?
I think we all want to know.
WE? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? The only thing I want to know is when are you coming down from your spiritual high horse so anybody can reach you.
Cause like you said, "I have not left the Assembly. CBG needs me." I NEED YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH!
paz de cristo
im sure, there is some.
i love my savior and lord Jesucristo over all, with all my heart and wrongfullness
i love the BODY of christ, His church
ive seen many thoughts here,for many days, and i wasnt let by the "feeling" that i consider my ligth and fortress to answer any of those,
'cause i didnt want to make any one feel bad, acussed , wrong, or corrected, or even sound like a fool myself,( rigth now i feel a little of that)
not using any scripture to offend anyone, but myself, in this need of love that im, to love everyone with everything that is goin on rigth now.
oh and believe me, im not a newcomer
and being 4th generation in christ
not ignoring the PERFECT DOCTRINE we have, but yes the human factor in ALL of us.
i can only say one thing( still feeling foolish)
im hurting so bad
witnessing ALL this, but definetly corroborating at same time my faith in the ONE i havent lose the sigth
we r brothers for the blood of jesuscristo i love you all in christ
elias
elias
Let me ask you a question?
Does being 4th generation Apostolic make you more of a Christian?
CBG
I'm glad you finally came to your senses.
Sola la loca,
Are you voting for Barak Obama?
cgb
Paul infallibly declares in Colossians 2:3-8 that "All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hid in Christ." Note he says all wisdom and knowledge is deposited in the person of Christ - whether it be about the War of 1812, water's chemical composition, the literature of Shakespeare, or the laws of logic! Every academic pursuit and every thought must be related to Jesus Christ, for Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). To avoid Christ in your thought at any point, then, is to be misled, untruthful, and spiritually dead.
paz
no brother not at all
i guess, and i may be wrong,
just give you more certeza of the faith itself, no the men in charge of the church
we all man, are sinners
Sola la loca said, "Every academic pursuit and every thought must be related to Jesus Christ, for Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). To avoid Christ in your thought at any point, then, is to be misled, untruthful, and spiritually dead."
All I wan to know is this, When you called me a Dumb ass earlier in your posts, was Christ in your thoughts?
I never called you that.
Read my post again.
You called yourself that.
Thanks CBG you just summed it up.
aIGHT! GUESS NO ONE WILL COMMENT/ANSWER. Oh well.
Oh and no! Being 2nd or 3rd generation any church don't make you much better that 1st generation! That is a fact cuzz salvation is a one on one thing because of the blood of the lamb and not who your parents were!!!
Sola la loca,
DO my eyes deceive me! This is your post dated October 8, 2008 11:18 AM
"sola dei gloria said...
Thank you CBG.
Another fine “Apostolic mind”.
What a Dumb –ss!!!"
CBG
Read it real close.
"YOU" put the "A" there. I did not.
You finally realized what you are.
That's for clearing it up for us.
Unfortunately most (including leaders) valued who your parents were over your personal testimony.
Soooo? Is there a spot for ismael del campo over in Texas?
CBG
You finally did what Paul told you to do.
"Examine yourself"
WOW!!! Sola la loca,
You got caught and you won't own up to it. I didn't add anything, look at your own post yourself "October 8, 2008 2:43 PM" you said it own up to it.
How do you expect ANYBODY to listen to you, or take stock in what you say if you won't ADMIT your own errors. TRULY YOU ARE LIKE THE GB, DOES AND SAYS THINGS AND THEN DENIES IT. YOU GOT CAUGHT. Will you ever admit your own deficiencies? I THINK NOT! What a hypocrite! YOU ARE NOW OFFICIALLY DISCREDITED!!
I believe that cbg and sola are going to end up getting married.
sola
Let’s say the new organization gets 100o new churches, what’s the guarantee that the new organization won’t end up like the old one.
If the pastor don't put the churches in the organization's name I don't think it is going to end up like the old one.
idea,
The day that happens I'll kill myself! NO! Better yet I'll join the GB of the AA and then you kill me!
Hello? Is this thing on? said...
Oh and no! Being 2nd or 3rd generation any church don't make you much better that 1st generation! That is a fact cuzz salvation is a one on one thing because of the blood of the lamb and not who your parents were!!!
you are rigth dear bro, i never said it would be a better breed, but in fact being more time expossed at the doctrine for let's say a couple generations
( i could be wrong ) make us realize how unfaitfull and unperfect we r;
we r all equal,
but up to each one of us to learn from things done before from our ancestors
and to know that man is far from perfction. but i guess, i may sound against or to favor to any thougths,
prefiero a Cristo y el amor de el para con todos nosotros
does that make sense?
The day that happens I'll kill myself! NO! Better yet I'll join the GB of the AA and then you kill me!
lol
Being that neither of you won't leave the AA because you need each other so much I just thought that you two were already starting to fall in love.
Sola Dei Gloria,
You cannot reason with a box of rocks my brother.
Some are just happy to be opressed and miserable.
Any attempt to enlighten will fall on deaf ears.
It is clear that CBG only desires to argue and not much else.
CBG must be an acronym for.
C = Cabezon
B = Burro
G = Guey
Rome,
Dumb ..ss Sola la loca is a girl!
And rome is an acronym for:
R = Roma
es
O = Orgulloso
es
M = Menso
y es
E = Escremento
CBG/Idea
Rome is right, I am a brother.
I think CBG was starting to fall in love with me.
Rome, I had my first debate with a box of rocks today.
Seeker & Sola de Gloria
It's not over, til it's over!
I was also told that they don't have 1/2 of the rooms sold for the convention yet.
Elias
Mira que te MANDO que te esfuerzes!
Josue 1
Hello is this on?
Contact Henry or somone that went to the Denver Summit.
Henry
Has Barrientos been sentenced yet?
Dear Bloggers:
Praise the Lord....
Tonight after service I decided to "review the update on the AA, "election fraud, and an update from "research' done on our Churches being "refinanced and some " exchanged " for others and some being "sold"..
And what did I find...Nothing but Sola, Martin Del Campo's buddy
"filabustering" like always.
We are "seeing the AA disinigrate, and Sola, must be a Florer, if he calls himself a "he' continues to be the "Martin Del Campo's spokesman of the "hour".
It does not "matter" if we are lst, and 5th generation of the AA, what matters is "learn its history, so you can see the same old tactics of the now GBM!!!!!
This GBM learned very well...
From the "old Patron".
"Leave" if you are going to be "filabustering", you simply do not "care" if the brethren are left with the "heavy" debt of "refinancing"., and the churches being sold,
for the monies to be for the new Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus of Texas!!!!!!
May the Lord have mercy on us.
God bless all of you. ARE YOU THT 'SCARED' AND 'ANGRY' THAT YOU JUST "FILABUSTER"??????
sorry sola. I thought you were a girl.
To CBG aka the "dumb-ASS"
"A wild ass used to the wilderness, that snuffeth up the wind at her pleasure; in her occasion who can turn her away? all they that seek her will not weary themselves; in her month they shall find her."(Jer.2:24)
This "wild-ass" is you my friend...
But you need to be like the ASS that Jesus rode on into Jerusalem...
That ass had never been rode on, but when the call on his life came he submitted to the MASTER!
You keep kicking against the pricks
(ACTS 9:5) stop it!
Because the end result is (Jer.22:19)
We are all asses, but the difference is we (the CHURCH) have submitted to the MASTER (Jesus)...Our end will be endless GLORY!
God has a message, and He will deliver it ONLY on the back of submission.
You cannot discredit Bro.Sola, he has only spoken "scripture" meaning "Truth". Like it or not...
This is WORD.
Please take this the right way.
This is for your own good. I fear you have fallen into a reprobate condition. That would be a tragedy.
I can understand why the pastors of the AA are so afraid of the MD. If they say what they really feel they are going to end up without a church. But that's only the pastors. What about the ministers or everybody else. Maybe you are afraid of the AA calling you a rebel. For years they have used that word to get people to shut up and look the other way. It looks now like if some people are even trying to defend the MD to to feel obedient. I understand the people that are trying to defend the AA. I my self used to be at one point blinded by the mesa directiva. I used to defend them like crazy. Even when I wanted to go to Bible college I went to CBAN just to feel more apostolic even though CLC was closer to home. I left CBAN because it was a total joke and did go to CLC. It was not until that time that I finally opened my eyes. Even like that I still tried to stay with the AA, but God was calling me to pastor a church. And well, if you've been in the AA long enough you know that it's easier to just leave the aa than to start a church. I left the assembly and I did get called a rebel.
I started the church. We have a non profit corp. with 501 c 3 status. We own our own building. I am a full time pastor. We have helped start a church in Mexico. We are still growing while the AA in the area still keeps calling me a rebel. Part of me feel happy that this is happening at the AA because now at least people can see that maybe all the brethren that have left the assembly were probably right about their decision.
I write this because I know that there are a great deal of brethren in the AA that are in the position that I was in. If God placed that call in your life do you want to obey God or do you want to obey those insecure pastors in your city that won't let you because they think that you are going to take their ovejas away from them because they know that they are not feeding them.
Dear Elder (thought for the day)
I can assure you, that Bro.Sola is not Martin Del Campo.
First, Del Campo could never write as good as Bro Sola...
I know for a fact that Sola is not for the GBM....
We all have our dis-agreements but we need to find the "UNITING FACTOR" and move from there.
I thank you for the "history", but its true we now need the "vision" for the future.
Bro Sola can be VERY useful to us in the end...
I urge you to befriend him...
Just look at the gbm, they are but 8 or 9? But they are united!
The pastorial body is not united, thus a spirit of fear is upon them. The Bible says "Fear hath torment"(1John4:18)
Thus they've sold out their calling that is from God.
They've lost credibility and their man-hood. They now have nothing.
Face it, the AA has been raped.
Shall we just pray for her healing?
No! The AA is not the church, we are...The AA has been a whore since her inception!
You Elder, you know this.
Muy Apreciable Pastores y miembros del Cuerpo Ministerial de la Asamblea Apostolica de la fe en Cristo Jesus Incorporada.
Salud:
Hay varios muy serios "reportes" de varios Pastores, QUE se cejan, y que nadie les escucha, ni a nadie le inporta.
Que la "Mesa Directiva" de la Asamblea Apostolica de la fe en Cristo Jesus Incorporada, se ha dado 'EL ATRIVIMIENTO' DE "REFINANCIAR" VARIAS Y MUCHAS DE LAS IGLESIAS DE LA MISMA ASAMBLEA, Y QUE ESOS DINEROS SE ESTAN "DEPOSITANDO" POR DANIEL SANCHEZ, VALVERDE Y PACHECO EN LA NUEVA CORPORACION QUE HAN "FORMADO" ESOS TRES:
EN LA "ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS DE TEXAS!!!!
HA OIDO USTED DE ESTAS COSAS TAN HORIBLE Y TAN SERIAS????
LA MESA DIRECTIVA, SE NIEGA DE ESTO.
PERO SI ES VERDAD.
TAMBIEN ESTE DINERO SE HA "UTILIZADO PARA PAGAR" LOS ABOGADOS,
Y "TAMBIEN PARA PAGARSE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, POR TAN SEMEJANTE SALARIOS QUE RECIBEN CADA "CUATRO SEMANAS"
CADA MES......
ESTO MIS HERMANOS ES UN "PECADO" QUE ESTOS INDIVIDOS ESTAN HACIENDO. DE "REFINANCIAR" LOS TEMPLOS!!!!!!!!
UN PECADO, MUY GRAAVE EN LA PRESENCIA DE NUESTRO DIOS.
PORQUE ESTAS "IGLESIAS NO NO NO SON DE "LA MESA DIRECTIVA"
ELLOS SON NUESTRO EMPLEADOS.....ELLLOS TRABAJAN, POR NOSOTROS, ELLOS NO SON DUENOS......,
NI LES HA COSTADO NINGUN CENTAVO, NI FURERZAS , CUAL NINGUNA....
ESTA "MESA DIRECTIVA,"
NO TIENE "LIMITES"
NI TIENE "BARERRAS"
NO TIENE DISCIPLINA,
NI "RESPETO NI TEMOR A NUESTRO GRAN DIOS..."
PORQUE NO HAY ENTRE NOSOTROS UN "LIDER" QUE SE OPONGA A ESTOS "WITRES" "VOLTURES"
QUE NO TIENE "REINDA".
PORQUE MUCHOS DE LOS PASTORES Y OBISPOS SE "HAN VENDIDO" POR UN PLATO DE LENTEJAS......
YA BASTA!!!DE QUE "PACHECO" LES LLAME A PASTORES,POR ORDEN DE SU "PRIMO" SAM VALVERDE, Y DE DANIEL SANCHEZ..
"HACIENDOLES UNA
PROPOSICION"
"QUE NO PUEDEN LOS PASTORES REUCIAR".
PACHEO IS MAKING AN OFFER TO THE PASTORS "THAT THEY "CANNNOT REFUSE".
SOUNDS FAMILIAR????!!!!!
TO 'REFINANCE" THE CHURCHES OR SELL THEM..
Y SI LOS PASTORES, QUE PACHECO CONTACTA, SE "PROPONEN" HA NO "REFINARCIAR" "LOS LINCHEN" COMO A LOS OBISPO BALDEMAR, SALOMON Y TORRES.
"LA MESA DIRECTIVA" SON UNOS "LOBOS", "RAPASES>"
Y NO HAY NADIE QUE LOS "CONTROLEN"
ELLOS SON "ABSOLUTOS"...
PERO EN VERDAD, A NADIE LE IMPORTA!!!
TODOS ESTAMOS "DES--UNIDOS," NO NOS TENEMOS "RESPECTO", "NI AMOR", "NI CONFIANSA"
"UNA COSA TENGO CONTRA TI QUE HAS DEJADO TU PRIMER AMOR......"
SE HA PERDIDO---- LA "RAZON" PORQUE ESTAMOS AQUI EN LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS INCORPORADA, PAREA QUE ??????.....
PARA GLORIFICAR EL NOMBRE DEL SENOR.?
PARA TRAER ALMAS PARA EL REINO DE DIOS, Y PARA PREPARAR A LA IGLESIA PARA "EL RAPTO"?.
O PARA "TERMINAR" CON LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS INCORPORADA, SEGUN ESTOS DE LA "MESA DIRECTIVA" DIGAN CUANDO YA TENGAN EL DINERO QUE NECECITAN PARA LA "OTRA" CORPORACION....
LA "MESA DIRECTIVA" NOS ESTA DICIENDO QUE NOS FIGEMOS EN EL OBISPO BALDEMAR, SALOMON, Y TORRES, CONFUNDIENDOS, PARA QUE ESTEMOS 'DESCUIDADOS DE "LA MESA DIRECTIVA" QUE EN REALIDAD ELLOS SON "EL P R O B L E M A!!!!!!!!"
DE DESTRUILLER LA ASAMBLEA CON SUS IDEAS' DE "COMPLETO "FRAUDE EN DINEROS.....
ES TODO LO QUE SE "TRATA" "DINERO" .
"DINERO AQUI,,,,"DINERO EN LAS CONVENCIONES, Y EL NUNCA SATISFACCION DE "DINERO" NUNCA LES DAMOS VASTA......!!!!
"DIOS LES HA ENTREGADO A UNA MENTE DEPREVADA"......!!!!
NO "TIENE" A DIOS EN SU NOTICIA,
LA UNICA "NOTICIA QUE TIENEN ES EL "DINERO, CONTROL, MUNIPILACION, Y "DESTRULLIER LA ASAMBLEA"
HACIENDO "OTRA" CORPORACION EN TEXAS, DONDE ESTOS "DINEROS" SE ESTAN DEPOSITANDO!!!!!!
USTED DEBE DE PROPONER ESTAS "PONIENCIAS" EN LA CONVENCION QUE SE APROXIMA EN NOVIEMBRE 2008....
1- QUE NINGUN MIEMBRO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA PUEDE SER MIEMBRO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, Y QUE NO PUEDE SER PASTOR DE NINGUNA IGLESIA A LA MISMA VEZ......
2- QUE NINGUN MIEMBRO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA PUEDE TENER A NINGUN FAMILIAR EN LA MESA DIRECTIVA...
VALVERDE/PACHECO, PRIMOS..
SANCHEZ/ESPINOZA CUNADOS....
3- QUE NINGUN MIEMBRO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA PUEDE CORRER MAS DE (4)
CUATRO ANOS EN LA MESA DIRECTIVA.
4- QUE LAS ELECIONES DEBEN DE SER ABIERTAS...Y QUE NINGUN MIEMBRO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA O OBISPO PUEDE ESTAR EN LA COMISSION "DESCLALIFICADORA."
LA QUE FUE ESTABELIDA POR EFRAIN VALVERDE, QUE TAMBIEN COMO SU SOBRINO SAMUEL VALVERDE "CAUSO" LOS MISMOS PROBLEMAS...
5--QUE NINGUNA IGLESIA,
NI CASA PASTORAL,
NI OFINCINAS GENERALES ,
NI "OTRAS" PROPIEDADES DE LA ASAMBLEA.
NI TERRENOS
NO SE PUEDAN SER "REFINACIADAS" SIN LA "APROVACION DE Toooooooodoooooooo el CUERPO MINISTERIAL...DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS INCORPORADA.....
6- QUE SE DEBE DE "CONTRCTAR" "UNA AGENCIAS"INPARCIAL PARA "QUE ESTE" A CARGO DE LAS ELECCIONES...
DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, DORCAS, VARONES, MENSAJEROS DE PAZ ETC.,
SI TU "PASTOR, OBISPO, ANCIANO, O MIEMBROS EN GENERAL,
NO "PUEDES' HABLAR DE ESTO,
NI TE PUEDES DEFENDER, NI AUN TU "IGLESIA"
ENTONCES, NO ESTAS "LIBRE".
NI TIENES "VOZ NI VOTO", EN ESTE PAIZ DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS, EN QUE "HAY LIBERTAD" DE DISCURSOS...
ESTAS "ATREVIDOS" POR UN "BONCHE" DE "LOBOS RAPASES, CONTUMASES, QUE NO TIENEN RESPETO A LA OBRA DE DIOS,
NI AMOR A SU PROJIMO, COMO A TI MISMO...
PORQUE ESTOS INDIVIDOS , LOS "DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA," QUE NACIERON Y VIVIERON TODO SUS VIDAS DE NINEZ Y JUVENTUD, EN TANTA
POBRESA,
SE LES HA HIDO A LA "CABESA' EL PUESTO.....".Y lOS CHEQUES" DE "DOBLE SALARIOS".........QUE NI LO TRABAJAN...
SIENDO RECIPIENTE DE "DOBLE" SALARIOS,
GRANDES SALARIOS, MUY GRANDES, DE
LOS FONDOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, Y DE LAS IGLESIAS QUE "DISQUE"
PASTORERAN...
EN LO "PASADO" DE OTROS TIEMPO, EN LA ASAMBLEA, DE LAS "PASADAS MESA DIRECTIVAS,
ERA NECESARIO QUE LOS MIEMBROS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA FUERON PASTORES A LA MISMA VEZ., PORQUE LOS "SALDOS" ERAN MUY BAJOS..
PERO AHORA ESTOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA RECIBIN HASTA $10,000.00
POR MES..
Y MUCHOS DE USTEDES PASTORES, MANDAN DIEZMOS DE DIEZMOS, Y AUN DE MUY "PEQUENAS CONGREGACIONES," QUE AUN APENAS EMPIEZAN!!!!
ESTOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA SABEN MUY BIEN QUE SU "TIEMPO" ES MUY CORTO,
PORQUE "FUERAN VAN A SALIR" MUY PRONTO.....EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO DE LOS EJERCITOS....
POR ESA RAZON SE ESTAN "APRESURANDO" "RAPIDO".... EN "REFINANCIAR" TEMPLOS A LO BRUTO......"RAPIDO"
Y QUIEREN "IGLESIAS" COMO LA DE MIDLAND, TEXAS Y OTRAS AQUI EN CALIFORNIA,
PARA SACARLES "EL DINERO" PRONTO PARA ELLOS.....
PARA SU NUEVA CORPORACION Y PARA SUS BOLSOS.....!!!!
YO SE QUE USTEDES, Y TODOS ESTAMOS ORANDO, QUE DIOS "HUMILLE" A ESTOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA YAAAAAAAAYAAAA!
Y DIOS NOS ESTA ESCUCHANDO....
PERO ENTRE TANTO???? QUE DICE, Y QUE ESTA HACIENDO USTED???????..
SOLO PARA QUE LE DEN UN "RECONICIMIENTO" DE HABLARLE, O DE "SALUDARLE" CUANDO LUEGO LLEGA LA "LINCHADA Y A FUERA."
PIENSE EN LO QUE SE "SUFRIO PAREA PODER "LOGRAR,"
DE LAS IGLESIAS, QUE TANTO COSTARON, DE LAGRIMAS, SACRIFICIOS, EN EL FRIO Y EN EL GRAN CALOR..
HERMANOS QUE HICIERON EL GRAN ESFUERZO EN "COMPRAR TERRRENOS" PARA CONSTRUIR ESTOS "TEMPLOS",
POR LARGOS ANOS, DE NUESTRO HERMANOS QUE MUCHOS "YA SE FUERON CON EL SENOR"
PARA QUE ESTOS "BARBAOS" SIN "CONCIENCIA"
CON LA ESCUSA DE QUE NECESITAN EN DINERO PARA LOS "AABOGADOS", PERO EN REALIDAD ESTOS DINEROS SON PARA ELLOS Y SUS
HIJOS...
ES UN ROBO!!!!!!....Y USTED QUE ESTAN HACIENDO DE ELLO??????...
DICE USTED "PERO ES QUE ESTOS NOS LLEVARON A LA CORTE!!!"
PERO TAMBIEN QUE NO CREE USTED QUE "LA MESA DIRECTIVA" ESTA HACIENDO MUY MAL "ROBO" DE REFINCIAR LAS IGLESIAS, SIN CONCIENCIA, NI TEMOR A NUESTRO GRAN DIOS.
"HORENDA COSA ES CARER EN MANOS DEL DIOS VIVO"
"PALABRA DE DIOS."
SANCHEZ, PACHECO, VALVERDE, AGUILAR, MA...
Y MUCHOS PASTORES SIENDO "ESPIA" DE SU HERMANO, PARA HACEERLE "UN FAVOR A LOS ASALRIADOS>>>>>>>
"TRALLENDOES "CHISMES" DE SU HERMANO VECINO PASTORES, COMO LO HACE JUAN HERNANDEZ, DE OCEAN SIDE, Y TAMBIEN MISAEL ZARAAGOSA, Y TAMBIEN
LUCIANO MONTEZ...
Y SE FIGAN"????,
"QUE VALVERDE" SE ESCONDE....Y MANDA A SUS "MANDADEROS"
"PACHECO, AGUJILAR Y MA, QUE HAGAN SUS ORDENES....
OREN POR TODOS NOSOTROS, PASTORES, OBISPOS, MIEMBROS Y TODOS MISMOS QUE DIOS "NOS" DE VALOR Y FE...
EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO.....
"PAERA ENFRETARNOS A ESTOS "NUESTROS ENEMIGOS"
. "QUE ESTAN DESTRUILLENDO NUESTRA IGLESIA...."
EN FRENTE DE NUESTRAS "CARAS" Y NO HACEMOS NADA.....POR LA MESA DIRECTIVA SON "NUESTROS PATRONCITOS."
QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS Y NUESTROS HERMANOS, JOVENES, Y NINOS.....
"FIEL SIERVO SIGUE, SIGUE ADELANTE, DE TRUINFO EN TRUINFO POR TU SENOR...
SIGUE ADELANTE Y NO DESMAYES QUE ALLA TE ESPERA TU SALVADOR".
ESTOS HIMNOS CANTARON NUESTRO ANTECESORES, EN LA CALLES, EN LOS SERVICIOS DE BARRIO, EN LOS MONTES, PORQUE AMABAN LA OBRA DE DIOS.
USTED LA AMA???DEFIENDALA....
ES "SU" IGLESIA,NO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA.
Y ESTA IGLESIA----- COSTO LA SANGRE DE CRISTO EN EL CALVARIO!!!!!
DIOS LE BENDIGA Y SEA UN JOSUE...UN MOISES, Y UN SAN PABLO....
OREN POR TODOS NOSOTROS...AMEN...
To thought for the day:
Que Dios tenga misericordia de ti por todas las cosas que escribes. Dios te va traer a cuentas por todas tus palabras y expresiones por la difamacion. No quisiera estar en tus zapatos.
To thought for day:
If you think you're so brave and so right why don't you come out public and make your accusations. That's what Moses, Joshua or the Paul would do and not hide behind a blog. Instead of suggesting pastors make these proposals at the convention why don't you submitt these proposals yourself. Unless you're a coward.
We're suppose to fight for what we think is right and not be afraid of loosing a ministry, if in fact God gave you one, no man can take it away. Instead of being here all day slandering people why don't you read the Bible and give more time to sermons to feed the sheep God put you in charge of.
Dear “Thought for the Day” PTL
First, like you I have been in the AA all my life and have seen many come and go.
I also would like to say that as a History Buff myself, I can appreciate the History and the knowledge of the AA that you have, but everything you have stated on this blog is common knowledge.
I also would like to say that I agree with you in that the GB is doing what its done in the past, but as the pastor you claim to be, you would know that this nothing new.
The fact is that every Election from the “PAST” till today has always been determined by the “Mesa Qualificadora” and not the votes. It has been this way from the Election of the GB, District Level, Sector Level and Local Church. The fact is that every Bishop, Elder and Pastor has done it this way, and to suggest that it has not, is totally incorrect and untrue.
My brother, I in one occasion had an opportunity to become a District leader, but the pastor that I was under at the time did not care for me, and being on the “Mesa Qualificadora” they denied me. Having more experience than everybody present that day they chose to go with somebody else.
Was this right? No, did I like It? No, but did I let it effect me? No
Why? Because I knew how the system worked.
As far as the removal of pastors or ministers goes, again the system has always been the same and the plaintiffs knew this going in, they participated in the very same system they claim to want to change, and if you are a pastor from the “old days” as you claim, then you to have participated in the very same system. To suggest that Bishop Rodriguez, Solomon, Torres did not participate is fooling yourself and totally untrue because the system has been the same as in the past.
My brother, with all your knowledge of the past, and with all the History you claim to know, I’m sure you know that I tell the truth.
My brother in regards to your response to my post, I would like to ask the following questions:
1) Why would say that I “baited” you? Do you feel that my words are incorrect?
2) You claim to be a pastor, do you feel your words on this blog are words that edify and build-up or do they bring down and cause division
I find it funny that you used the words of my post to speak about the GB, but you failed to apply them to yourself. Does not the bible say “before you can take out the sty in your brother’s eye, you need to take out the beam in your own eye?”
I would also like you to clarify the following statement that you made in your response to my post.
You said “SOME "OLD TIMERS" LIKE BROTHER ANTONIO, THAT KNOWS ALOT AND EVEN MORE THAN ME, GOD BLESS HIM...TELL ME I ONLY HAVE 80 % RIGHT.”
Does this mean that you are only partially telling the truth, what about the other 20% is that part a lie?
3) You say in your response ‘they are taking away our churches” If you are a pastor as you claim, you would know that it clearly says in the “constitution” that each church building belongs to the organization and not the people.
Let me ask you this, If you owned a home, and you rented it out to somebody for 5, 10 or even 20 years and one day as the owner decide to sell the home, would you consider that stealing from your renter?
4) You say in your post “I don’t leave because I don’t have any place to go” that also is not true; there now exist the new assembly.
You exhort all the pastors with your words to leave the AA, but you do not.
Why is that? Could it be that you know as I do, that HISTORY shows that most churches that leave eventually close their doors because of splits or because the people eventually return to the AA. Or is it because your words are empty and have no credibility to them.
You asked me if I was one of the GB, I’m sure it would be nice to get that salary but sad to say NO I am not.
Although I do not believe you are credible and I do not believe you are a pastor as you claim.
My brother, YOUR OWN WORDS BETRAY you, maybe you are one the GB or a family member, and you write all that you do to confuse everybody and make them lose their FOCUS the Election of 06
My brother, you can accuse me of baiting you, but I think you know I say the truth. You can choose to respond if you wish, but please speak the truth PASTOR.
God Bless!
Redeemedintheblood
Estas diciendo que porque la asamblea siempre ha sido corrupta está bien que siga siendo corrupta. Yo entiendo que las iglesias están al nombre de la asamblea y por eso ellos tienen el poder para refinanciarlas, venderlas, o simplemente quitárselas a la congregación y dejarlos en la calle por cualquier razón. Para mÃ, la pregunta es, ¿está bien que hagan eso?
Entiendo el ejemplo que pones referente a una persona que esta rentando una casa. Es cierto, cuando el dueño te dice que te vayas lo tienes que hacer porque es tu la casa le pertenece al dueño. Yo en realidad no estoy mirando eso, sino que lo que estoy mirando es que estas iglesias fueron construidas por las congregaciones conforme a la dirección de sus pastores. La pregunta no es si lo pueden hacer, porque sabemos que si lo pueden hacer. Más bien la pregunta es, ¿está bien que lo hagan? ¿Está bien que estas iglesias construyan los templos para que después la GB se los quite? Si tú en realidad eres un hombre de Dios deberÃas de estar de acuerdo conmigo que no está bien. Pero yo sé, entiendo tu lógica, como siempre lo han hecho está bien que lo sigan haciendo. Lo que siempre se ha hecho, no importa que sea pecado, está bien que se siga haciendo.
Yo no estoy con la asamblea apostólica. Yo me Salà hace años atrás. Cuando pedà que me dejaran pastorear yo iba con la mentalidad de comprar un templo y ponerlo en el nombre de la asamblea. Gracias a Dios que la asamblea no me permitió seguir mi llamado, porque por eso tuve que dejar la AA. Yo no tenÃa un pariente que me echara la mano en la GB. Y no, no estoy amargado, sino que estoy gozoso de que Dios me libro de los problemas que muchos pastores tienen en este dÃa con la AA. Tú dices que los pastores, o cierran las puertas, o regresan a la AA. En mi caso, ni pienso cerrar las puertas, ni tampoco pienso regresar a la AA. Créeme después que puedes vivir en libertad de la AA ya no quieres regresar.
Hermanos, no le tengan miedo a la AA. Si se puede servir a Dios sin ellos. Tú tienes que decidir si le quieres servir a Dios o a la GB. O que, ¿le tienes más temor a la GB que a Dios? ¿O confÃas más en la GB que en Dios?
redeemedintheblood
Sooooooooooo if something has been done wrong in the past, it should just continue in that manner??? If I have sinned all my life I shouldn't worry because - that's what I have always done? Quit trying to validate a wrong.
factsonly
You wouldn't fit into Thought for the day's shoes! Ever. I applaud for doing whatever he/she can to bring out over and over the wrongs and injustices being done by your friends on the gb. I know people who didn't understand before are beginning to wake up and listen. Their eyes are being opened.
chismes, false accusations, harping on about the past and bad mouthing people advance the Kingdom of God how ?
Is not Kingdom work the most important thing ?
Nothing else matters. PERIOD !!!!!
YES, IT'S DOES MATTER and ITS IMPORTANT because it is the church that we love. And IT'S IMPORTANT because it's the church we have known all our lives, where our parents worked their fingers to the bone. IT MATTERS BECAUSE it's the church where we were raised, where we want to raise our kids and grandkids. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE the funds given willingly and raised by God's people are misappropriated and spent with abandon by the gb. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IT MATTERS because we love our doctrine and I am angry and disgusted and sad that a few HOMBRES are destroying it!
Caminando Voy,
I appreciate your passion for standing up for what is right.
My point is that when it all comes down to it what is truly important.
The assembly is nothing more than a man made organization.
It is not The Church my brother WE are The Church !
The apostolic assembly system was set up for dictatorship and control.
What amazes me is that it took this long for the problems to surface and for many to find out about all of this mess.
Apostolics are trained and conditioned to blindly follow and obey.
If you question " the man of god " you are a rebel and a salido.
Those tactics my friend are like those of a cult.
Why would anyone want to raise their kids in that environment and bring them up to be more of the same legalistic elitists that many apostolics become ?
The Assembly is dying and it is better to jump off of this sinking ship and move to an organization that is new and it's structure has safeguards against cronyism, nepotism and control.
Better yet Independent is an even better way to go.
paz de cristo
estimados hermanos
Redeemedintheblood said truly things
this isnt NEW
and as long as the HUMAN factor is related to the church we r going to see it over and over, and over again
but W E are the BODY of CRHIST
we r not into a DEMOCRACY
+++ this is not a DEMOCRACY ++
WE R NOT los hijos de CORE
we have a KING : JESUSCHRIST
we hAVE A LAW
and for those Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
just THE ONE we serve 'll get justice IS NOT TO US we may find ourselves into a rebelion against authority
NOT US
remember david and saul
1Sa 24:5 And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the LORD's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointedof the LORD.
So David stayed his servants with these words,and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way.
THERE IS NOT A REVOLUTION IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD
amados en el senor y Dios nuestro
estas cosas no son nuevas
a traves de las generaciones
los que estan enfrente son los mas faciles de ver cuando se equivocan
Dios pone reyes y gobernantes pero cuando se equivoca un lider de nuestra iglesia, queremos REVOLUCION
siempre que este el factor humano habra fallas y malas decisiones,
pero miremonos a nosotros mismos
todos somos pecadores,
somos el cuerpo de cristo
no una DEMOCRACIA que se pone de acuerdo para hacer lo que quiera
+++esto no es una democracia+++
es un reino y nuestro rey es el SENOR JESUCRISTO
y los que han sido hallado faltos en la balanza nuestro rey los llamara a cuentas
no nosotros
recordemos a david y saul
cuanta injusticia
sin embargo el declaro delante de sus seguidores que no dudaban en acabar a saul
libreme jehova de levantar mi mano contra su ungido
SU UNGIDO ese hombre sanguinario asesino de sacerdotes y desechado de la gracia del senor
+++NO HAY REVOLUCION EN EL REINO DE LOS CIELOS+++
i may sound AGANINST or to favor
but GOD knows
that i follow CRIST to the end
Dios les bendiga y perdon si ofendo no es mi intencion mi intencion solo es exaltar al senor de la fe que me esfuerzo por vivir,
soportemos con valor
bienaventurados los que tienen hambre y sed de justicia pues ellos seran saciados
elias p.
Barrientos has appealed his conviction.
He'll soon be fighting off jail house justice in the pinta. Homies don't like sexual predators. Seems la jail mafia has more standards than some apostolic ministers like Barrientos.
Most are good but the bad ones give the rest a bad rep.
Caminando Voy,
Once again, I would not like to be in thought for day's shoes. He is all talk and no action. Words mean nothing if there's no action.
With all the time he spends in this blog, I wonder if he has time to fulfill his pastoral duties, probably not.
You are so impressed with him because your heart is wrong and you love chisme and he is a big chismoso.
I do agree with Enrique on this, why don't we focus on working for the kingdom of God intead.
idea,
Te saliste de la AA o te sacaron?
A lo mejor te sacaron por pecado o por no ser responsable con tus deberes.
Si de verdad puedes vivir sin la Asamblea y eres libre porque estas aqui en este blog hablando de la Asamblea?
Se me hace que si estas amargado y necesitas dejar el rencor para que Dios te perdone.
and for those Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
just THE ONE we serve 'll get justice IS NOT TO US we may find ourselves into a rebelion against authority" once again it sounds like the system of manupulation by the assamblea.. David did not want to kill the king but eventually saul was removed now in the system of the assembly bylaws were created to keep a system running.. but it was more of a system of control. The apostols worked under love and there fruit of there labor was proven that they were men of God..So dont touch the anointed is not as the same as being a true pastor that follows the word of God that was stablished in timothy where the bishop or pastor had to be in standard with i believe it was 21 points to follow to qualify as a Bishop.. not
21 points of
1. how to get rid of pastors you dont like.
2. double salaries
3. adultery being covered if it envolves your family members
4. freezing accounts and removing people at will.
5. childmolesters being put as pastors.
so the moment that you break those laws in the bible you should remove your self so you can be restored.. not just leave you alone and let God in heaven judge you when youget to heaven. Because a reality comes down that when a church discoveres that there pastor has fallen people loose their faith.. its a reality so touch not the anointed of God but when you are found guilty please remove your self to be restored.
but now the modern pastors
dont want to be hold acountable to the word of God..
now they are known by there fruits..SANCHES WORDS "SI TIRAN AL PISO Y TRAGAN TIERRA ALO MEJOR LOS PERDONO"
Valverde= lets refinance churches and create a new organization where we will control things.
Eddi pacheco fruits of labor ilegal business practices.
so please use the word of God at its right context to see if they should be pastors. the answered is NO they dont qualify because they are not known as men of integrity.
Ed:
Some of your point don't make sense.
Who are the pastors been removed at will? If you are referring to the Plaintiffs it was decided by at least 40 Bishops and District boards, I don't think it's at will. The Plaintiffs should have never sued the church. How can you sue your own church. That's antibiblical.
The double salaries I do agree something needs to change. But it didn't start with this current board. Baldemar Rodriguez received double salary for 24 years and Abel Torres and D. Salomon for many many years as bishops and boardmembers. Why didn't they ever say something.
All the other things you mention of course are wrong and churches need to get rid of that but it's thing that happen in every denomination and a lot of local churches.
To all:
Maybe CHISME FOR THE DAY finally started praying and studying. He hasn't posted his chisme of the day. Good thing!
paz de cristo
dear brother ed....
my intentions are far from discuss or figth, but just to clarify my point of view, according of what I THINK is written in the LAW
our word of GOD
if i say i think... I MAY BE WRONG..
but when the bible said
and for those Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
GOD was the ONE that found guilty
that king.
not the people of GOD
HE is weighing every balance in HERE
im sorry i dont wanna use the word of god for this is just a chat,
but i gonna say this for myself
paul said a los corinthians
Asà que, el que piensa estar firme,........................
(esta en la orillita)
(agase pa enmedio).............
................ mire que no caiga.
thats me every time i see someone else's
dont take me wrong im a sinner
in need of our God
bienaventurados los que tienen hambre y sed de justicia pues ellos seran saciados
god bless
to Ed:
Who are you to critize "modern" pastors? There's a lot of young pastors that the Lord is using to do great things! You say D. Sanchez, V. Valverde are not men of integity, but who are you to condemn our leaders. If they are not men of integrity why is God blessing them and their churches? Why do they have the overwhelming majority of the pastors?
Infact why did Baldemar R. approve them to be in the GB if they are not men of integrity?
Don't be a Saul of Tarsus persecuting the church, lest you find yourself kicking against the goads.
Factsonly1: I can assure you that "thought for the day" knows more than what you could ever imagine. You have the right to think anyway you want but when it all comes down you will remember this comment I posted on the blog. This person might need to remain in hiding like "Anne Frank" did when the Nazis were destroying the Jews but history has to be known to us and the generations to come so that they will not commit the same mistakes again!
"Thought for the day" my respects to you Pastor!
Remembering:
There's a difference between learning history and learning chismes. Chisme for the day himself said he is only 80% accurate. I think it's only 50%.
A pastor in the hiding who doesn't speak his conscience publicly but rather hides behind a blog is not someone to respect. Goes to show what kind of people you respect.
We need men like John the Baptist who spoke against Herod publicly with out fear, that's the men I respect.
Remembering:
You call learning history what you read in a blog? LOL
If you want to learn history read a book of Apostolic Assembly or at least learn it from a credible source who doesn't hide their identity. Any one can write anonamously and say it's history but I have never heard of a historian with a hidden identity.
factsonly1
No hermano, no me sacaron, me SalÃ. Tampoco estoy amargado. Si estuviera amargado yo creo que la iglesia que pastoreo nunca hubiera crecido. Cuando estas amargado se nota y la gente no te quiere seguir. En cuanto a mis deberes, cuando yo le dije al pastor que yo tenÃa el sentir de pastorear, el me dijo que querÃa verme por los siguientes dos años para ver como cumplÃa con mis deberes. Como él vio que cumplà con mis deberes mejor le echo la culpa al obispo y dijo que él no me iba a dejar. Estuve en la AA lo suficiente para mirar como la AA protegÃa a pastores que si habÃan cometido pecado. Hay que ser realistas, nosotros sabemos que muchas personas que han dejado la asamblea no a sido por rebeldes, ni porque han cometido pecado, sino que simplemente querÃan hacer la voluntad de Dios para sus vidas.
Yo sabÃa que al comentar en contra de la GB me iban a atacar a mÃ. Eso es lo que la AA siempre ha hecho. Levantan falsos en contra de todos los hermanos que se retiran de ella porque no quieren que los miembros los vayan a seguir. Es más fácil atacar a la persona que atacar el problema. En ingles a esto se le llama ad hominem. El único argumento que tenemos para proteger a la GB en este momento es que son los ungidos de Dios y por eso ellos pueden hacer lo que les dé la gana y el resto de los pastores (que también son ungidos por Dios) se tienen que quedar callados.
En vez de atacarme a mÃ, porque la verdad es que ni me conoces. Porque no contestas mis preguntas, ¿Está bien que la GB le quite los templo a las congragaciones por cualquier razón? ¿Está bien que la MD siga en corrupción, porque siempre ha sido corrupta?
Por favor hermano si vas a contestar, ataca al problema y no a los hermanos.
Dios te bendiga
Paz de Cristo blogistas del Señor!
Praise the Lord, Christ Bloggers!
It has been a long time since I have been able to post a message on this blog. But I have been dilligently following the words of our Chirst Bloggers. Some of them speak truths. Some speak half truths. Some speak no truths. But it is all so that the name of the Lord be glorified, amen.
thought for the day, brother, I look forward to reading your messages and I do believe you speak truth, in front of God Almighty. May God bless you richly and abundantly.
Now to business... A lo que truje..
I recieved a letter.
It was from the General Board of the Apostolic Assembly.
I wonder, has anyone else received it? It was sent to the ministers, yet addressed to Pastors and Elders.
I have the letter, as it was mailed to me. I do not have the knowledge to put it opn the apostolic info site. But I wait steadfast for its appearance... I know I am not the only one to have received it.
To my friends, the honarable General Board. (and mind you, we are very good friends) The people deserve better explanations. The people are not confused. They want answers. We want repentance, not justification from you, my friends.
I have some invsetigations underway. Slowly, yes, but surely. May God use me to teach his sheep. But I dare to encourage the jovenes to get to work. You are faster than me. You know more things. It may just be a mouse click away, if you do not know.
Ask questions young people. Ask. If you do not receive an answer, then get it for yourselves.
with regards....
Idea:
No quieres que te ataquen pero tu si entras en este blog atacando.
Para responderte no esta bien remover a pastores por cualquier cosa. Pero los plaintiffs que fueron removidos fue por violar la palabra de Dios. 1 Cor. 6:1....
Tambien por causar dano y poner en peligro a la Asamblea, y finalmente por causar division.
Tu pastoreas y piensas que en tu iglesia no tienes problemas. A quien le das cuenta tu? Quien es tu autoridad? Oh eres pasotor independiente donde no hay a quien darle cuentas. Cual es tu proposito de atacar al iglesia Apostolica y a Mesa directiva si ya no estas con nosotros. Acaso eso no demuestra que todavia tienes algo en el corazon y quieres causar dano a los que tu piensas que te hicieron dano.
Paz de Cristo blogistas del Señor!
Praise the Lord, Christ Bloggers!
It has been a long time since I have been able to post a message on this blog. But I have been dilligently following the words of our Chirst Bloggers. Some of them speak truths. Some speak half truths. Some speak no truths. But it is all so that the name of the Lord be glorified, amen.
thought for the day, brother, I look forward to reading your messages and I do believe you speak truth, in front of God Almighty. May God bless you richly and abundantly.
Now to business... A lo que truje..
I recieved a letter.
It was from the General Board of the Apostolic Assembly.
I wonder, has anyone else received it? It was sent to the ministers, yet addressed to Pastors and Elders.
I have the letter, as it was mailed to me. I do not have the knowledge to put it opn the apostolic info site. But I wait steadfast for its appearance... I know I am not the only one to have received it.
To my friends, the honarable General Board. (and mind you, we are very good friends) The people deserve better explanations. The people are not confused. They want answers. We want repentance, not justification from you, my friends.
I have some invsetigations underway. Slowly, yes, but surely. May God use me to teach his sheep. But I dare to encourage the jovenes to get to work. You are faster than me. You know more things. It may just be a mouse click away, if you do not know.
Ask questions young people. Ask. If you do not receive an answer, then get it for yourselves.
with regards....
Du ta doo
Well hello there kids, my name is factsonly1
I have come to give you candy
Do you want to come take a ride on my ferris wheel?
So factsonly1, you call learning history by reading a book from the Apostolic Assembly? Excuse me as I die with laughter peeing in my pachueco depends.
Factsonly1 is a noncredible source who hides their identity. Not a very good job at it though, we all know factsonly1 is the GB.
Waiting anxiously for an angered reply from factsonly1 OG!
factsonly1
Yo estaba bajo la impresión que el problema que estábamos tratando en este sitio era el de la asamblea. Por eso es que hablo acerca de eso.
¿Porque me preguntas que si soy independiente? ¿Quieres ahora quitar el enfoque del problema de la AA, y empezar a atacar a los independientes?
¿Tú me estás diciendo entonces que la GB nunca ha violado la palabra de Dios? ¿La GB nunca le ha hecho daño ni puesto en peligro a la asamblea?
Quizás yo esté equivocado en esto, pero yo creo que la asamblea ahorita está en un gran peligro por causa de las decisiones de la GB.
No te enojes conmigo hermano. Paz de Cristo
paz de cristo
estimados hermanos
en una casa hay VASOS DE HONRA y de DESHONRA
this isnt NEW
and as long as the HUMAN factor is related to the church we r going to see it over and over, and over again
but W E are the BODY of CRHIST
we r not into a DEMOCRACY
+++ this is not a DEMOCRACY ++
WE R NOT los hijos de CORE
we have a KING : JESUSCHRIST
we hAVE A LAW
and for those Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
just THE ONE we serve 'll get justice IS NOT TO US we may find ourselves into a rebelion against authority
NOT US
remember david and saul
1Sa 24:5 And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the LORD's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointedof the LORD.
So David stayed his servants with these words,and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way.
++THERE IS NOT A REVOLUTION IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD++
just................. REBELIONS
amados en el senor y Dios nuestro
estas cosas no son nuevas
a traves de las generaciones
los que estan enfrente son los mas faciles de ver cuando se equivocan
Dios pone reyes y gobernantes pero cuando se equivoca un lider de nuestra iglesia, queremos REVOLUCION
siempre que este el factor humano habra fallas y malas decisiones,
pero miremonos a nosotros mismos
todos somos pecadores,
somos el cuerpo de cristo
no una DEMOCRACIA que se pone de acuerdo para hacer lo que quiera
+++esto no es una democracia+++
es un reino y nuestro rey es el SENOR JESUCRISTO
y los que han sido hallado faltos en la balanza nuestro rey los llamara a cuentas
no nosotros
recordemos a david y saul
cuanta injusticia
sin embargo el declaro delante de sus seguidores que no dudaban en acabar a saul
libreme jehova de levantar mi mano contra su ungido
SU UNGIDO ese hombre sanguinario asesino de sacerdotes y desechado de la gracia del senor
+++NO HAY REVOLUCION EN EL REINO DE LOS CIELOS+++
i may sound AGANINST or to favor
but GOD knows
that i follow CRIST to the end
Dios les bendiga y perdon si ofendo no es mi intencion mi intencion solo es exaltar al senor de la fe que me esfuerzo por vivir,
soportemos con valor
bienaventurados los que tienen hambre y sed de justicia pues ellos seran saciados
Don_Fernando said...
I recieved a letter.
It was from the General Board of the Apostolic Assembly.
I wonder, has anyone else received it? It was sent to the ministers, yet addressed to Pastors and Elders.
I have the letter, as it was mailed to me. I do not have the knowledge to put it opn the apostolic info site.
Brother,
Send an e-mail to 'letters@apostolicassembly.info'.
I will provide you with some options.
Is the letter in English or Spanish?
GBY
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Apostolicinfo.com,
Paz de Cristo.
Thank you for your quick reply and your concern over this matter.
I have sent you the letter, with my limited computer knowledge I needed assistance from one of the local jovenes.
Please write back if you are unable to download it; I can have him come back.
Dios le Bendiga.
Dear Camindo Voy:
Praise the Lord:
THANK YOU...IAM PRAYING FOR YOU AND THE MIDLAND CHURCH CONGREGATION....AND YOUR PASTOR...
It is true, every word I say.
I have said, that some blogger by the name of BROTHER Antonio, has told me in the "blogs" that Iam only 80% right according to him. on what I say in the blogs.
I tried to explain to the best of my ability, that the 20% that Brother Antonio wrote that I do not know is prabably what he knows himself better than me.BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WHAT I SAY IS NOT TRUE...
ITS SOOOO TRUE ITS """""GOING"""""""" ...... ON RIGHT NOW!!!!!!"FRUAD AND "REFINANCING" OF THE AA CHURCHES, THAT DO NOT EVER WILL OR EVER EVERRRRRRRRR BELONG TO THE GBM!!!!!
That is what happens when individuals de not have a "formal education" You give them a Position of a "board Member and ig CORRUPTES THEM.' IF THEY HAD AN ELECTION THE GBM WOULD KNOW AND UNDERSTAND TO BE A "BOARD" MEMBER DOES NOT GIVE THEM "EXCLUSIVE" RIGHT TO "REFIANCE, AND DO FRAUD" FOR ANY CORPORATION..
TO BE IN A "BOARD" DOES NOT MAKE THEM ALL POWERFUL"
IT IS ONLY A POSTION OF SERVING THE CORPORATION,
BUT NOT TO "CONTROL" AND TO ELIMINATE THE MEMBERS FROM HAVING A "VOTE OR VOICE."
BUT LACK OF EDUCATION AND LACK OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE FROM GOD IS LITERALLY DESTROYING THE GBM,
BECAUSE NOW THE GBM IS "KNOWN" BY EVERYONE THAT THEY ARE "ONLY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES>"
I appreciate Brother Antonio's comments, and I have read some of his past blogs, and in some part he too does not elavorate on some issues, probably because it is not "easy" to write in this small space.
Thank you "Caminando Voy" for speaking out in favor of the "Brothers and Sisters" of the Aposotlic Assembly that have "gone to be with the Lord."
THE 'OLD TIMER' FOUNDING BROTHERS AND SISTER, THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE 'LEAVING A LEGACY" OF LOYALITY TO THEIR CHILDREN...
BUT THEN THESE GBM, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, AGUILAR, MA GOTTA AHOLD OF "M O N E Y"!!!!!
"EASY...........MONEY........"
THAT DOES NOT "BELONG TO THEM".....
We know that OUR ANCESTORS THAT WORKED SO HARD TO LEAVE US THIS "LEGACY" OR SO THEY "THOUGHT" ..... they are now in Paradise with Jesus, as JESUS told the man next to Him on the Cross. "TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE!!!!!
But us here that still "remain", must RESPECT AND REMEMBER, THOSE BROTHER AND SISTERS EFFORTS....
SOME have Blast me by "saying Iam bitter and dwelling in the Past."
AND THEN THEY START "QUOTING SCRIPTURE OF DAVID AND SAUL OF "OLD" AND THEY START TO COMPARE THE GBM WITH "ANOINTED MEN" OF GOD..
"ANOINTED MEN OF GOD WOULD NOT BE PUTTING US THROUGH THIS MESS AND"FRAUD"...
THEY DO NOT 'WANT ME TO REFER TO THE PAST OF THE AA' TO BRING TO 'COMPARISON' OF WHAT THESE GBM LEARNED FROM THE 'OLD PATRON'...
AND YET THEIR COMMENTS ARE OF "TIMES GONE BY OF CENTURIES AGO OF THE "OLD AND nEW TESTAMENT."
I CAN AND DO APPRECIATE THIS...
BUT YOU SEE FACTSONLY AND SOLA, THAT "SCRIPTURE" ALSO REFERS TO "THE PAST".
SO WE CANNOT GET AWAY FROM IT!!!!!
THE PAST "TEACHES" US TO CORRECT THE WRONGS COMMITTED IN THE PAST...
TO LEARN AND SEE WHERE THOSE EVIL DOERS OF THE PAST LANDED......
AND FROM THE "PRESENT TO SEE WHERE THESE GBM WILL ALSO "LAND"
LEAVING THEIR FAMILIES VERY VERY RICH ON OUR CHURCHES HARD YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF HARD EARNED LABOR AND MONIES...
I TOLD, SOME BLOGGERS....... IAM "DISGUSTED' TO SEE SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, PRADO, AGUILAR, AND MARTIN DEL CAMPO AND MA ASSULT THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY WITH SUCH SELF MADE RULES AND SO MUCH ABUSE AND "FRAUD"{.....THE ODASITY, THE NERVE, THE GULL!!!!!
TO TAKE IT INTO THEIR "OWN THOUGHTS AND THEIR OWN HANDS TO "STOMP ALL OVER THE AA AND ITS MEMBERS, BY "REFINANCING AND SELLING AND "SWAPPING CHURCHES AND CHURCH PROPERTIES."
AND THE WORSE AND THIS IS THE "CLINCHER" TO GET "RICH" ON OUR CHURCHES MONIES.....
PARA DECIRLES OTRA VERDAD A TODOS USTEDES PASTORES Y MIEMBROS.
NO SE COMO ESTOS MIEMBROS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA TIENEN LA "CARA' DE PRESENTARSE EN LAS "REUNION" ministerials Y EN LA CONVENCION.?????
POR TODO LO QUE HAN HECHO Y TODO LO QUE ESTAN HACIENDO...
TODO EL TIEMPO EN EL 2009,QUE VIENE TENDRAN QUE "ASISTIR A CONVENCIONES "DISTRITALES" Y CON QUE "CARA" LE VAN A VER A NOSOTROS LOS PASTORES....
PERO ESO LES DIGO QUE NO 'TIENEN VERGUENZA'.. Y SABE USTED PORQUE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, NO TIENEN VERGUENZA, POR SE TRATA DE 'DINERO, SE TRATE DE "DINERO" ,
SE TRATA DE DINERO, "SE TRATA DE DINERO>'
Y POR DINERO DICE UN DICHO,"BAILA EN CHANGO Y TAMBIEN EL CHANGERO"!!!!
DIGO QUE LA GBM NO TIENE 'VERGUENZ, Y TEMOR DE DIOS, NI PENA DE PRESENTARSE EN ACTIVIDADES DE LA AA...
DESPUES DE HABER "REFINANCIDO" TANTAS IGLESIAS Y TANTAS "OFRENDAS Y ROBOS....
PONER Y QUITAR PASTORES, Y NI A AUN HACERLES "JUICIO" EN REUNIONES MINISTERIALES.."
A LOS QUE 'LINCHARON' POR QUE LA GBM NO 'QUISO' Y ELLA MANDA, QUE HUBIERA "OTRA" ELECCION.
CONDUCIDA POR UNA AGENCIA NUETRAL, Y NO CON LA FAMOSA..."DESCLALIFICADOR'
PORQUE EN REALIDAD "DESCLALIFICA."
ESTO SERA MUY INTERESANTE DE VERSE...EN LA CONVENCION QUE SE APROXIMA...DE VERLE A LA MESA DIRECTIVA, CORRER ANTES QUE SE TERMINEN LOS SERVICIOS EN LA CONVENCION. LA GBM CORREN , PARA SUS CUARTOS EN LA CONVENCIONES, PORQUE LOS "ESTA MATANDO", SUS CORRUPTAS DELITOS......"
ES MUY MUY MUY MUY CLAROOOO PASTORES Y MINISTROS...
QUE ESTOS DE LA GBM HACEN "DE REFINANCIAR" LOS TEMPLOS Y HACE ESTO SIN "NADA DE RESPECTO" HACIA
USTEDES Y CON TODOS NOSOTROS...
PORQUE NO "TIENEN UN LIDER"
NI AUN UNO........QUE RESPECTEN!!!!!NINGUN "LIDER" NI UN REPRESENTANE QUE 'HABLE' QUE LA MESA DIRECTIVA LE TENGA "MIEDO O RESPECTO".
PORQUE NI AUN A DIOS LO RESPETAN...
PORQUE ESTAN "REFINANCIANDO" LOS TEMPLOS, Y LAS PROPIEDADES, QUITANDO PASTORES QUE HAN DEDICADO TODOS SUS DIAS Y TODOS SUS ESFUERSOA, AUN MUCHO DE USTDES TIENEN QUE TRABAJAR , "A LA DERECHA" Y A "LA IZUERDA" Y SIN NINGUNA "VERGUENZA"...
ESTO INDICA QUE NO ESTAN "AREPENTIDOS, NI TIENEN UNA RELACION DIRECTAMENTE CON NUESTRO GRAN DIOS.
PORQUE SI TUBIERAN "UNA EXPERIENCIA CON EL DIOS DE ABRAM, DE ISAAC Y DE JACOB...
NUNCA PERO NUNCA HICIERAN ESTO CON USTEDES.....NI CON LOS MIEMBROS DE LA ASAMBLEA. DE "REFIANCIAR O VERDER LOS TEMPLOS"...Y OTRAS PROPIEDADES DE LA ASAMBLEA.
"ESTO SE LLAMA "ROBO"...y ABUSO".
ME DICEN EN LOS ESCRITOS EN ESTE 'BLOG' QUE ESTOS SON 'HOMBRES UNGIDOS DE DIOS.IMAGINESE SANCHEZ, VALVERDE Y PACHECO SIN ESCUPULO NINGUNO QUE SE "DICEN UNIGIDOS"
SIN EN VERDAD FUERAN "UNIGIDOS ANDUVIERAN "SALVANDO ALMA PARA EL REINO DE DIOS"
Y NO 'REFINANCIANDO" IGLESIAS DE DONDE "SACAN" SUS DINEROS, DE SALARIOS, VIAGES, Y DE "VERDER"OTRAS IGLESIAS!!!!!
..TAMBIEN SAUL EN LA BIBLIA ERA UNGIDO, PERO DIOS LO "DEJO SOLO"
SI DIOS ESTUBIERA CON "ESTOS DISQUE SE NOMBRAN "UNIDOS" NUNCA PERO NUNCA HICIERAN ESTO CON LA IGLESIA DE "REFINANCIAR" LAS IGLESIAS, Y PONER LOS DINEROS QUE SOLO SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO SON LOS TRES QUE "ENCABESAN" ESA CORPORACION QUE SE LLAMA.
ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS DE TEXAS.
fOR THOSE THAT THEIR COMMENTS, SAY AGAINST ME THAT IAM 'ANGRY',
I SAY IAM DISGUSTED. WOULDN'T YOU BE IF YOU HAVE SEEN,YEARS BACK CITIES UPON CITIES IN THE USA THAT DID NOT HAVE "ONE" APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY CHURCH, AND NOW THERE ARE SOOO MANY...AND THESE "GALLOS" ARE SELLING THEM AND "REFINANCING THEM FOR THEIR "OWN......GAIN...AND THEIR FAMILIES...
I ask those people that write to me AND SAY IAM, 'angry, bitter and 'living in the past.'
well so are you living in the past when you give me "scripture" that refers to the "past". The past word of God leads us to "all truth", and the "truth shall set you free."
know the past to learn about the present, and to know the outcome of the GBM.
Saying this to FACTONLY,(GBM) that the Word of God is eternal.
Even after we are all gone, the Word of God will live on "through Eternity>'
Now, I ask...Do you work for the "Kingdom of God" AS YOU SAY? We most certainly are "working for the Kingdom Of God!!!!!!
WHAT DO YOU THINK WE ARE DOING......??????
WE ARE "FIGHTING FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD, FOR THE CHURCH AND FOR THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY THAT DOOOOOOOEESSSSS NOT ONCE AND FOR ALL ......it does not BELONG TO THE "HONRABLE MESA DIRECTIVA"...."HONORABLE, QUE HONRA TIENEN???CUANDO SE ESTAN APROPIANDO DE LO QUE NO ES DE ELLOS...LAS IGLESIAS, NO SON DE ELLOS...
FACTSONLY....ITS NOT THE GBM...NEVER WILLL...BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW DIFFERENT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THE GBM IS "REFIANCING" THE CHURCHES AND SELLING, AND SWAPPING THEM FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN...
NOW...... IS WHEN THE IRS SHOULD BE "ALERTED"...on the GBM doings !!!for the Apostolic Assembly is a non profit corporation......much money is being made out of this so callled"non profit...
non-profit? for whom? for the GBM? wow...
Making $10,000.00 per month plus the church salaries. With the way the Countryh's economy is??????
THIS IS TRULY A SIN.....
ES UN PECADO MORTAL Y MORAL QUE LA HONORABLE MESA DIRECETIVA, ESTEN RECIBIENDO $10,000.00 POR MES ADEMAS DE EL SALARIO DE SUS IGLESIAS...
ESPECIALMENTE COMO ESTA AHORITA LA "ECONOMIA CRITICA" EN LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS.
ESTE PAIZ ESTA EN "GUERRA", MUCHOS DE NUESTROS HERMANOS ESTAN PIERDIENDO SUS CASAS, Y SUS TRABAJOS. LA GASOLINA ESTA TAMBIEN EN CRISES.....
LAS FAMILIAS DE NUESTROS HERMANOS ESTAN SUFRIENDO POR FALTA DE 'RECUERSOS FINANCIEROS>'
Y LA "HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA, PONIENDO LAS IGLESIAS DE LA ASAMBLEA EN UN PELIGRO DE PERDERSE, CUANDO YA ESTAN "PAGADAS" DE TIEMPO ATRAS..
Y ESTOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, ESTAN RECIBIENDO "DOUBLES SALARIOS"
DE EL SALDO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, Y EL SALDO QUE LE SACAN A LAS "IGLESIAS" QUE "DISQUE" QUE ELLOS SON PASTORES?????
ESTO ES UN ROBO, Y UN PECADO.....
NO TIENEN NINGUNA CONSCIENCIA11111.
Y "REFINANCIANDO" LOS TEMPLOS PARA FORMAR SUS "OTRA CORPORACION", PARA CUANDO LA ASAMBLEA "QUEBRE"..
ESTO ES CUANDO EL DEPARTAMENTO DE TAXAS (IRS) DEBE DE SER NOTIFICADO DE ESTOS INDIVIDOS......!!!!!
YA........BAAAAAASSSSSSSSSTTTTTTA!
SIGA ORANDO HERMANO SIGA CONFIANDO.SIGA ALABANDO EL NOMBRE DE EL SENOR. Y NO PIERDA LA FE.
DIOS NOS ESTA DEFENDIENDO!!!!!
GLORIA A SU SANTO NOMBRE......
AMEN....
El Reino de los cielos se hace FUERTE, y los Valientes lo ARREBANTAN..
If I get such insults and "attacks" on these blogs, can you imagine, how angry the ones that ARE 'REFINANCING OUR CHURCHES', AND I SAY 'OUR CHURCHES' BECAUSE THIS AA CORPORATION BELONGS TO THE MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND TO THE LORD FIRST AND FOREMOST. FIRST.
"NOT TO THE "HONORABALE MESA DIRECTIVA......"
IT MIGHT NOT "BELONG TO THE GBM BUT THEY SURE AS SURE AS CAN BE ARE "DRAINING THE MONIES OUTTTTT\
OF THE ASSEMBLY:
DIRAN USTEDES...SI ES VERDAD, LAS IGLESIAS SON DE LA ASAMBLEA Y SON PARA TENER LUGARES DONDE CONCURIRNOS Y PAERA "ALABAR" EL NOMBRE GLORIOSO DE EL SENOR..
NO SON DE LA "HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA"..SON PARA LA OBRA DE DIOS Y PARA LOS PASTORES Y PARA LOS MIEMBROS...
SI ENTONCES NO SON DE LA "hONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA.,
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, MA, PRADO, AGUILAR Y ESPINOSA?
ENTONCES PORQUE LA "HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA TIENE EL "NIERVO" DE \"REFINANCIAR Y VENDER Y RECIVIR TODO EL DINERO...QUE SOLO ELLOS SABEN POR QUE TANTA "CANTIDAD RECIVEN ELLOS POR "REFININAR CADA IGLESIA.
POR ESO MI MUY APRECIALBES HERMANOS ESTAN LA "HONORABLE MESA DIRECTIVA, TAN "ALTIVOS" Y SOBERVIOS, Y INFLMADOS DE VANA GLORIA, Y LOS DISTINGUIDOS, QUE SE DICEN....
PORQUE TIENEN "MUCHO DINERO"...
LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY.
BROTHER REDEEMEDINTHE BLOOOD.
YOUR WORDS ARE WISE...YOU HAVE EVERY 'RIGHT' AS "OTHERS" HAVE AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT LOVES THE LORD AND RESPECT AND REMEMBERS THE WORKS AND EFFORTS OF THE SAINTS GONE BEYOND.
SOME ONE EXPRESSED THAT "THE ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED, IS OF THIS EARTH, AND THAT WE SHOULD NOT CARE FOR THINGS OF THE WORLD.
TRUE......VERY TRUE.....AND AGAIN I SAY TRUE......
BUT, IF THAT IS TRUE, AND IT IS.
WHY OH WHY OH WHY OH WHY???????
SHOULD THESE "MUNIPULATORS, AND CONTROLLERS AND "TAKING ADVANTAGE" OF YOU AND YOURS AND ALL THE PASTORS AND MEMBERS OF THE AA AND THESE GBM MEMBERS GET AWAY BY "REFINANCING" AND SELLING THE CHURCHES, OR "SWAPPING" THESE CHURCHES....
IF THESE CHURCHES DOOOOOO NOOOOOTTTT
BELONG TO THE GBM!!!!!
THEY WHY CAN THEY DO AS THEY ARE DOING?????? "REFINANCING"
"SELLING". SWAPPING PROPERTIES FOR MORE PROFIT FROM A BETTER AREA..
THE CHURCHES PROPERTIES ETC., BELONG TO THE AA "CORPORATION" AND NON_PROFIT CORPORATION FOR THE HONOUR AND GLORY OF GOD WHILE WE ARE HERE ON EARTH,
AND FOR THE NEXT GENERATION, UNTIL THE LORD COMES FOR HIS CHURCH...
SURE, IAM A COWARD...AREN'T YOU AND YOURS? FOR THOSE THAT SAID, "IAM A COWARD"
I THINK IT WAS "FACTSONLY...
WELL DEFINATELY YOU MUST BE ONE OF THE GBM OR THEIR FAMILIES..
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE,THAT THIS GBM IS GETTING THEMSELVES "RICH" ON "D O U B L E"
SALARIES, GBM COMMITTIES AND THEIR ' "LOCAL CHURCHES", AND MAKING "MONIES FOR THEIR HEIRS,
YOU????FACTSONLY?????
WHAT I PROPOSED ON LAS "PONIENCIAS" DE LA CONVENCION..
NI YO NI NADIE MAS VA A "PROPONER ESO"..
"PORQUE LE TIENEN MIEDO A "HITLER Y AL GESTAPO"....
SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, PACHECO, AGUILAR Y MA....
PERO SABES QUE? "FACTSONLY"
DIOS LOS VA A REMOVER...Y MUY PRONTO JUNTO CONTIGO...
EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUS DE NAZARET..
"TODO LO QUE PIDIERAS EN MI NOMBRE EN ORACION, CREEIDO RECIVIERIES."
PALABRA DE DIOS...AMEN.
QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE NOSOTROS Y NOS BENDIGA. HAGA RESPLANDECER SU ROSTRO SOBRE NOSOTROS.
PUEBLO SUYO SOMOS.......Y OBEJAS DE SU PRADO....
ENTRAR POR SUS PUERTAS CON RECONOCIMIENTO..
"RECONOCER" QUE JEHOVA EL ES DIOS.....
EL NOS HIZO Y NO NOSOTROS A NOSOTROS MISMOS...
DIOS TE PERDONE A TI, FACTSONLY Y A "ENRIQUE" "SURE" THAT WE ARE "TRAINED" BUT I WOULD RATHER "SAY" WE WERE "TAUGHT" BY OUR PARENTS TO "FIGHT" FOR OUR CHURCH...
"NO SEAS DEMACIADO JUSTO.....QUE TU MISMO TE DESTRULLAS."
"DEFIENDASE HERMANO"..."DEFIENDA "SU" IGLESIA. "DEFIENDA" "SU" FAMILIA..."DEFIENDA LAS ALMAS QUE HAN DE SER SALVAS, COMO USTED Y SU FAMILIA.
ES MAS PECADO, NO DEFENDER A LA ASAMBLEA Y A LA IGLESIA.
ES MUCHO MAS "PECADO" DANDOLES MAS 'dinero, dinero, dinero, y mas y mas dinero, que nunca se les llena el 'barril'
QUIEREN DE $10,000.00 Y AUN MAS DE CADA IGLESIA EN LA CONVENCION..
ORE Y CREA MAS Y MAS EN EL PODER DE DIOS. USTED SABE MUY BIEN QUE DIOS RESPONDE SUS ORACIONES...
RECUERTE LO QUE DIOS HA HECHO EN SU VIDA, EN SU FAMILIA Y EN LA IGLESIA QUE USTED PASTOREA......Y HABLE...NO TENGA MIEDO..
Y A LA MESA DIRECTIVA. DIOS LES PERDONE PARA QUE SEAN SALVOS EN EL DIA DEL JUICIO.
LO QUE YO DIGO, ES VERDAD...
LA MESA DIRECTIVA ESTA "REFINACIANDO LAS IGLESIAS Y PROPIEDADES DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS INCORPORADA...
Y ESTO ES "UN ROBO......"
PORQUE ESTAS IGLESIAS Y PROPIEDADES, NO SON DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA...
SON DE LA ASAMBLEA Y DE LOS MIEMBROS DE LA ASAMBLEA.
LA IGLESIA DE CRISTO JESUS..
DIOS LES AMA MUCHO HERMANOS..
POR ESTOS ESTA "SALIENDO A LUZ",
PORQUE YA BASSSTTTTTAAAA!!!!!
GRACIAS, "CAMINANDO VOY AND "IDEA" IT WAS ALSO GOD INSPIRED.
"REDEEMEDINTHE BLOOD THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU...QUE NO LE TENGAN MIEDO..A LOS "ROBONES, QUE SE ROBONAN EL DINERO DE LAS IGLESIAS,
DE LA FLOR AZUL...PORQUE ESAS "POBRES' MESA DIRECTIVA DE DORCAS, QUE ESTAN ALLI DESDE EL "TIEMPO DE LA REVOLUCION MEXICANA" ELLAS NO TIENEN "VOZ NI VOTO" TODOS LOS DINEROS DE LAS "DORCAS" SE LOS DAN A LA "HONORABLE" SIN PREGUNTAS DE "NADA" NI PORQUE? NI PARA DONDE VA ESTE DINERO?
NO MAS LES DA UNA "SONRISA" SOSPECHO, A GEORGINA MARRON, Y A SANTA LEON Y A FRANCISCA Y TODO ESTAN BIEN, "MIS HONORAABLES"
ESE DINERO QUE ENVIARON NUESTRAS HERMANAS "DORCAS", PARA "DISQUE" LOS MISIONEROS"..
PERO NUNCA LLEGA ALLA CON "LOS MISIONEROS" LLEGARA UNOS CUANTOS DOLARITOS..PERO NO NUNCA TODO.
Y SI AGUILAR LE ENVIO A SU HIJO DE PARTE DE MISIONES, EL HIJO ESTA EN LA AREA DE "NUEVA YORK" LE ENVIO UN "MILLON" DE DOLARES...
Y A LOS MISIONEROS???????
Y A LAS OBRAS PEQUENAS, QUE EN LUGAR DE LA "HONARABLE ENVIARLES AYUDA A LAS OBRAS NUEVAS,
"LAS OBRAS "NUEVAS, LES TIENEN QUE MANDAR A "LOS VIVIDORES" DE NUNCA VASTA DE DINERO......
LAS OBRAS CHICAS, LES TIENEN QUE "MANDAR"
D"DIEZMOS, DE DIEZMOS, A LA "HONORABLE".
EL DINERO DE LAS HERMANAS "DORCAS" SE "DETIENE CON "lOS HONORABLES" QUE ESTAN "REFINANCIADO" Y VENDIENDO Y "CAMBIANDO LOCALES DE IGLESIAS A SU MUCHO ANTOGOS...."
"TODO ESTO DIGO, SOLAMENTE PARA QUE USTEDES VEAN, QUE TODO ESTO SE "SABE MUY BIEN" PERO SE DEJA DEBAGO DE LA "MESA" POR MIEDO A LA "HONARABLE"
Y SOLO DIGO ESTO, PORQUE SI ES VERDAD QUE YA ES TIEMPO QUE ESTO CAMBIE...YA BASTA....
QUE EN LUGAR DE SALVAR ALMAS, Y EN LUGAR DE GUARDAR EL DINERO DE LAS DORCAS, EN DISTRICTOS, Y EN PROGRAMAS DE SUS IGLESIAS, SE LES TIENEN QUE "MANDAR A LA "HONARABLE" O POBRE DE NOSOTROS, Y "POBRE" DEL OBISPO QUE SU "DISTRICTO" "NO COOPERE"
AFUERA........EN LA OTRA ELECCION...
AFUERA, Y AUN ES POSIBLE QUE LE QUITEN EL PASTORADO..
DIOS LES BENGIGA.
ORAR LOS UNOS POR LOS OTROS....YO TAMBIEN ORO MUCHO POR USTEDES...GRACIAS...
ESFUERZATE Y SE VALIENTE QUE YO JEHOVA SERE CONTIGO DO QUIERA QUE VALLAS....
PALABRA DE DIOS......
Factsonly1: Have the GB ever told you about the lawsuits they have filed against other pastors? Of course not!! They tell you what you ears want to hear. Has Sanchez ever told you when he kicked out Pastor Abel Torres as bishop that he didn't allow him to have any witnesses, tape recorder much less allow any minutes to be taken while he met with Sanchez,Pacheco and Aguilar. Now since you are the one with the factsonly1. You tell me what is there to hide if they are telling us the truth. Just ask the treasure and the bishop of that district if they were allowed to enter that room with the plantiff on December 2007. If you need those phone numbers I will be more than glad to get them for you.
If the legacy you are leaving your children is The Assembly then that is a sad sad statement.
I want to leave my children a True Legacy I want to instill in their lives the love for The Word of God and a strong prayer life and a real relationship with Christ.
I could care less that I am a third generation Apostolic.
Christ saved me !
The assembly has done nothing but treat me poorly and try to teach me legalistic man made rules.
The Assembly tried to make me a blind and obedient follower of their elite club.
Keep your private club if you want but understand that there is life and truth outside of the assembly.
paz de cristo
one siple question
why is so rare that people in this blog, sign with titles and no with names,
is that to promote anonnimity and voice?
just asking
god bless
The reason why I use am alias instead of my real name is because I don't want to jeopardize my position on the General Board.
sola brother,
sorry but you made me laugh,
didnt laugh about you dear brother,
but just what u said,
++and you answer is right ++
i have it
i received when i was baptized
and HE wont let me down
YES Everyone. That was only a joke!
is it to pretend
sometimes?
i think i need to be heard
paz de cristo
estimados hermanos
en una casa hay VASOS DE HONRA y de DESHONRA
this isnt NEW
and as long as the HUMAN factor is related to the church we r going to see it over and over, and over again
but W E are the BODY of CRHIST
we r not into a DEMOCRACY
+++ this is not a DEMOCRACY ++
WE R NOT los hijos de CORE
we have a KING : JESUSCHRIST
we hAVE A LAW
and for those Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
just THE ONE we serve 'll get justice IS NOT TO US we may find ourselves into a rebelion against authority
NOT US
remember david and saul
1Sa 24:5 And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the LORD's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointedof the LORD.
So David stayed his servants with these words,and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way.
++THERE IS NOT A REVOLUTION IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD++
just................. REBELIONS
amados en el senor y Dios nuestro
estas cosas no son nuevas
a traves de las generaciones
los que estan enfrente son los mas faciles de ver cuando se equivocan
Dios pone reyes y gobernantes pero cuando se equivoca un lider de nuestra iglesia, queremos REVOLUCION
siempre que este el factor humano habra fallas y malas decisiones,
pero miremonos a nosotros mismos
todos somos pecadores,
somos el cuerpo de cristo
no una DEMOCRACIA que se pone de acuerdo para hacer lo que quiera
+++esto no es una democracia+++
es un reino y nuestro rey es el SENOR JESUCRISTO
y los que han sido hallado faltos en la balanza nuestro rey los llamara a cuentas
no nosotros
recordemos a david y saul
cuanta injusticia
sin embargo el declaro delante de sus seguidores que no dudaban en acabar a saul
libreme jehova de levantar mi mano contra su ungido
SU UNGIDO ese hombre sanguinario asesino de sacerdotes y desechado de la gracia del senor
+++NO HAY REVOLUCION EN EL REINO DE LOS CIELOS+++
i may sound AGANINST or to favor
but GOD knows
that i follow CRIST to the end
Dios les bendiga y perdon si ofendo no es mi intencion mi intencion solo es exaltar al senor de la fe que me esfuerzo por vivir,
soportemos con valor
bienaventurados los que tienen hambre y sed de justicia pues ellos seran saciados
Factsonly1: Just remembered something else if you speak to the Pres. ask him what he told Pastor Abel Torres when he met with him back in May 2008. In case he forgot let me fill you in. Pastor Torres asked him what they could do to come to some agreement between both parties? He (pres.) answered and said "each one of you (plantiff's) will have to grovel eat dirt and come before the board and ask for forgiveness." Yes, you read it right!! Grovel,eat dirt and ask your highness for forgiveness. WOW!!!! The pres. said this.. I am sure glad he is not God or else we would all be doomed!!
Thought "Chisme" of the Day:
All that rambling of yours, please!
Can you just name the churches or temples (you say many)that are been refinanced?
Can you name the churches that are been swapped?
Do you know if it's in the constitution that the GB can refinace temples and what are the requirements to have the authority to do that.
How many temples of the AA did Baldemar Rodriguez refinance?
How is it that the GB benefits personally if they refinace a temple?
Stick to the facts and not just slander!
I'm sure you're aware that the devil is a slanderer and an accuser of the saints. He deceives the whole world with his craftiness.
Give us real factsonly not ramblings
Does anyone know the name of the new Assembly ?
Also one of my favorite preachers Juan Campos is starting a work in Corona California.
Does anyone know if he is joining the New Assembly under Baldemar, Abel Torres etc....
Remembering:
I don't see our Beloved Bishop Daniel Sanchez except during conventions and maybe a funeral or big activity?
Now why would I ask him such a dumb question?
If our President said that why doesn't Abel Torres publicly say that what the Pres. told him.
Are you Abel Torres?
Are you his Spokesperson?
Did you actually hear the Pres. say that?
Speak the truth and shame the Devil now!
Chisme and slander of the Day:
All that steam, all those words but no action. You tell other pastors to submitt proposals that you are afraid to submitt how pathetic! You want them to take the fall for you or what?
You confess that you're a coward and afraid. Don't be afraid, God has not given us a spirit of fear. You know the Bible says that cowards will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Please respond to my questions and don't write a whole book, just keep to the factsonly.
Sola
That was good, I had a good laugh!
Don Fernando:
Are you a pastor? Is that what you do on Saturday night, watch Don Fernando? All thos semi naked ladies that come out on that show!
Rome:
Great now will have three churches in Corona fighting for the same members.
Only time will reveal who really has a calling to start churches and actually win souls.
paz de cristo
all spiritual man knows this...
every word that comes out of our mouth, or thought from our minds
got to be brought out from a SPIRITUAL CONCEPTION
either
the HOLY ONE that we minister
or the accuser
Mat 12:36 Mas yo os digo que de toda palabra ociosa que hablen los hombres, de ella darán cuenta en el dÃa del juicio.
factsonly1
Why do you keep attacking people? Is it because you have no way to defend the actions of the GB? You keep calling people names, but you don't let us know why the members of the AA should still trust the GB.
Quote
"Let me ask you this, If you owned a home, and you rented it out to somebody for 5, 10 or even 20 years and one day as the owner decide to sell the home, would you consider that stealing from your renter?"
What kind of crap is this?
First a renter had no investment in the home.
He didn't pay the insurance the taxes, the maintence.
Hemanos have built the churches with their sweat, tears and even blood, while the GB sat on their asses.
I know hermanos and hermanas that have worked everyday for as long as the church was going up. the sisters cooking to making sure the workers ate, even doing some of the work.
Yes the buildings belong to the DGB,but that sure don't give them them the right to do what they are doing.
Its nothing but stealing, its an alright rip off. Of the hermanos that have sacifaced such much only to lose it. to call the hermanos renters is an insult and slap in the face Maybe you need your head checked out.
Any beef with THAT!!!!!!
Solis_lj@yahoo.com
Don Fernando,
Thank you. Here's the link:
September 9th Letter from GB (English)
Spanish Version coming soon
Interesting letter from the gb...
Has anyone else read it?
Thanx Don Fernando for putting it up.
Repentance over justification, indeed Don Fernando.
What all the AA pastors need to understand is this:
THERE IS NO NEED TO FORM A NEW CORPORATION.
IF YOU HAVE A CORPORATION IN CALIFORNIA, IT WILL WORK IN TEXAS.
you do NOT have to form corporations in every state you do business in.
Don't let the GB fool you.
If they expect you to beleive those lies, then they think you are DUMB. Don't porve them right, Pastors.
There is NEVER a need to for a new corporation "to improve real estate operations"
Listen to me Pastors:
ANY INCORPORATION CAN BE AMMENDED there is no need to form a new corporation.
I am calling these men out on their LIES. GOD forgive Bro Sanchez and Bro. Pacheco. But as you say in your letter, forgiveness must first be sought before it is given.
Another lie in that letter to the ministerial body: The nature Bro Zuniga's resignation.
Tell me GB, did you not know that meeting was being recorded when you wrote letter?
BISHOP LOPEZ was PLEADING with pastor Zuniga, trying to convinve him to stay, trying to convinve him to believe your lies... Unsuccesfully, of course.
In fact, Bishop Lopez didn;t even mention an audit... you'd think he would, wouldn't you... that is, if such audit EXISTED... How do you SLEEP at night?
If anyone should be afraid of audits... IT'S YOU.
They are trying to make the plaintiffs look bad why do they not mention about Juan Campos leaving they just want people to believe their lies and cons they offer you all they are trying to make it seem as though they are more intellegent than the Pastors. If the really had no hate or resentment towards this Pastors. They would not have removed them. The only reason why trust was voilated is because POOR COULD NOT BE A REALL CEO SANCHEZ says this is because he thought that everyone was going to keep quite will him and valverde try to manipulate the people to thinking that another person had actually one. He is so full of himself. He thinks you all are so ignorant that you all are going to fall for his lies and deceptions. LOL
Elias, the reason we write anonymous, is the same
reason you do too.
Do not let Sola estoy,
confuse you. As soon as
people make comments that
"hit the MD on the truth,
Sola starts to write on Plagerisum
that I have read in other
"selfmade writing"and copies
of "others", comes from Martin
Del Campo, "girl Friday,
or boy Friday"?
Which is it sola?
Stop philosophying and
distracting.
Your evil spirit and "low-self
esteem...and partiality to the
M.D. comes right through.
You said you are the one
that will come through to
help the AA, after this is
over. God save us.
You get so defensive, and
"Biblical" immediately when
the MD is revealed. You
come out of your"cave fast."
You sure are loyal to MDCampo.
Why?
We know you are not related to
him, you sound more like you
are in something else with MDCampo.
Well lo and behold Sanchez a real Elijah stood forth and was willing to go up against a Jezebellian spirit. I am sure you are upset that your flunky Abel Agreed with ARCOVIO. Why do you not send us a letter about that.
Being here and there
You are wasting your time.
Why do I threaten you?
Let me help you.
Because you are afraid.
I like the way that the letter was started. If you stay with us, you are a mature christian, but if you leave you are immature.
What I understood about the letter was that the reason why the hermanos were booted was because the GB was doing what they had always done, which is fraud, and this brothers told on them.
I remember about nine years ago that I talked to a member of the GB and told him that the reason why I would not put our building in the name of the AA was because of what happened to Jesse Espinoza. He told me that they had made a mistake, and that they would never do that again. And well, they did it again. Now they are trying to convince the pastors not to worry because it wont happen to them. I know it wont happen to them as long as they shut up and let the GB do as they please.
Sola,
you do not threaten me
or any one else.
Read some of your past
comments.
Whenever someone is
telling us about
the M.D. and what
the M.D. is doings.
You write out of the
subject and always
try to change the
scene so we do not
find out what is
going on so we can
know and pray to the
Lord to help us
from the things done
to the AA.
If you do not know
anything about what
the M.D. is doing.Then
find out. If you do
not care then you
are not for the
fellowship of the
church and the
continuation of
the AA.
You are afraid I will uncover the inconsistencies in your beliefs. That why the Pharisees killed Jesus. That’s why the Jews stoned Stephan. That’s why the Jews beat Paul. That’s what sound biblical preaching does. It “stops the mouth”. That’s why you don’t complain about anybody else, everyone else preaches to your “satisfaction”.
Your carnal condition is very easy to detect because the Word of God brings discomfort to your soul.
You are not the first on this blog to experience this level of spiritual decline and you won’t be the last.
I started a blog to hopefully get some answers to some specific questions.
http://theapostolicquestions.blogspot.com/
The purpose of this blog is to ask questions, which at time may be more powerful than answers.
If you have a question, please post it.
I plan to update the blog weekly with questions and comments from bloggers. With some really great commentary hidden in all these comments, I plan to post thoughtful and at time critical commentary on the current state of affairs within the AA.
There are some really great post in the comments section of these blogs, but they are not given proper review because they are one of 3000 post. Some of these post should be discussed in more detail. That is the intention of my new blog:
http://theapostolicquestions.blogspot.com/
If you have a favorite post, and want to discuss more, email to me and I will post.
Poor sola,
You are struggling to
be so right.
But good for this
post. But you
have it address to the
wrong address.
sent it Daniel Sanchez,
Rancho Cucamonga and
the rest of the M.D.
including your pal
MartDelCampo.
It sound so just them.
Good luck.
Being here and there
That was a good reply to sola. That's why they are killing everyone that gets in their way.
I believe that if sola preaches to the GB, they are going to feel very uncomfortable.
Please go preach to them sola.
LOL...
Why Is It When "WE" are Quiet... You Question Us...
But THE GB HAS BEEN QUIET this WHOLE TIME... and you do not DARE to Question Them...
-SKOTTY
Idea:
Why are you hear bashing the AA and the GB? I thought you said you were free and glad to be out of the AA?
The fact is you're bitter and resented and can't overcome the fact that you couldn't make it in the AA. You didn't make the standard to be a AA pastor, that's why you had to leave the AA. And now you are here attacking and bashing.
Let go, be healed, don't be bitter, let the resentment go.
Be happy as independent, work for God. Don't be a hater!
Skotty:
Wher have you been?
roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.
We don’t have to question the DGB, since they seem to be in power still. Do they need to say much when they are in control?
On another note:
Who is the new director of the new organization?
What is the new organization called?
Factsonly
I don’t want you to get the feeling that I hate the hermanos from the AA. I love them. I was with them for sixteen years. Most of them are very sincere people.
For once I have to agree with you. I didn’t make the standards to be an AA pastor. None of my family members were pastors or members of the GB. If my dad would’ve been a member of the GB I would have probably gotten a million dollars to start a work. The only thing that I could have probably done was marry one of their daughters to meet the standards of an AA pastor, but I didn’t. So, yes, I did not meet the standards.
Pastors, I am only kidding, but you brothers know that that does happen a lot. Maybe not the million dollar thing, but for what I read it looks like if it did happen at least once.
How can you call me a hater? Do you read everything that you write? If you go back and read your comments you are going to find out that there are a great deal of hateful words in them.
Well, can you please let us know why the hermanos of the AA should still trust the GB. And please, do not say, because if they don’t you are going to call them every name in the book.
I understand, I wouldn’t be able to come up with something either. So, the only thing that I would be able to do is call everybody names to get them of the subject. Hopefully they will feel bad and not keep writing.
No te enojes hermano.
Why is it when I use words like “spiritual” ‘biblical” and “sound” on this blog some folks get aggravated.
A spiritual life does not exist without the Word of God. Look at what Jesus said, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life”. (John 6:63)
His Word makes Spirit. Without the word there is no spirit. You are just emotional.
Look at what Jesus told the Pharisees, “making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.” (Mark 7:13)
“Tradition makes the word of God of no effect”. If tradition makes the Word of God of no effect, then tradition murders the spiritual life.
Look at what Paul told the Thessalonians,
“For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe”. ) 1 Thessalonians 2:13).
The Word of God effectively works in those believe that it is the Word of God. Tradition removes that power.
You can understand why so many Apostolics (and Christians everywhere) never grow spiritually. A person must hold a high view of scripture in order for it to work. The Apostolic Assembly does not have a high view of scripture. The Apostolic Assembly has only taught people to live by their “senses’ rather than advance their ‘beliefs”.
The “New” organization must hold to the doctrine of “Scriptural Authority”. If the New organization fails to meet the demand of “Scriptural Authority”, it will end up like the old one.
As Christians, this is our number one priority. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly. (Colossians 3:16)
The Lord said,
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. (Isa 55:11)
Martin Luther fought against this over four hundred years ago. Without His Word the Apostolic Assembly is only the Catholic Church with the Holy Ghost.
If you disagree with me, take it up with Jesus. He wrote it.
Hey fagsonly1,
If you get a hold of one of the conferences given by Sal Mendoza, in that recording Abel Torres PUBLICLY AND ON TAPE discloses what Sanchez told him needed to be done in order for the plaintiffs to get forgiveness
This is what Torres discloses, "Danile Sanches me dijo que la unica manera que quizas podian perdonar a los plaintifs era si ellos se arrastraban ante ellos (la mesa directiva), tragaban tierra, y se humillaban, entonces quizas los perdonaban!"
Read it an weep GB peep IT'S ON TAPE. If you want it just contact El Betel church in Denver and they will provide you with a copy. Dumb ..ss!
Gregory Ruff vs. Apostolic Assembly & Vince Alvarez
STATUS CONFERENCE HEARING SET FOR 10/31/08 AT 08:30 IN DEPARTMENT R11
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Seeker,
The new organization has no name to date, that is still being decided.
And as far as director, it is run a little different than the AA.
It has no president, or GB, as each church is independently governed. The churches are ASSOCIATED with each other, but not controlled by a central authority.
It has five directors that oversee national activities, doctrine, etc. But the directors don't have the same power that the GB have.
A letter was posted this morning on Apostolic Letters.
Idea:
The more you express yourself the more you reveal your resentment and bitterness.
From the abundance of the heart speaks the mouth.
There is hundreds of pastors in the AA that started or pastor churches that are not related to the GB. But they gave good testimony and God confirmed that they had a calling to pastor or start a church. When you have a calling to start a church no man can stop you, you can be in any organization and God will make happen.
By the way you haven't said what organization you belong to or where you pastor. Are you afraid to say or do you have something to hide? It's easy to criticize others but why don't we look at you? I'm sure we can find a lot of things to talk about.
Why should the people you pastor trust you? Answer that!
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Armando Barriento will find out his fate on Dec. 11 alongside a new lawyer.
google search-Armando Barrientos in Calexico.
NEWSFLASH!!!!
OCTOBER 17-18 flor azul service. For the youth on friday the speaker will be Phil Saenz, at the same time Mr Ismael Martin Del Campo will be giving a seminar for pastor and ministers with their wives.
Saturday there will be the famous meetings at 10:00am and a rep of the gb will be there.
Flor Azul service at 3:00 pm guest speaker will be non other than Bishop Samuel Valverde.
thought you folks might like to know. PLEASE BRING MONEY. LOL
sorry 1st time blogger.
All this will take place at:
Apostolic Church of Indio
46-601 Vargas Rd.
Indio,CA.
what happened to thought for the day ?
It is funny how Mr Thought for the day only has one thought.
And he keeps posting and reposting that same one thought.
And boy does he stretch out his one thought and types a whole book every time. LOL
Como un disco rayado ! Ja Ja
After reading the response to Sanchez letter in apostoliassembly.info I called my cousin in Arizona and when he read it he had a fit. I guess this new organization does have Tafoya in their board of directors. My cousin told me that no self respected pastor in Arizona is going to join this new organization because Tafoya is in it.
To all pastor reading this blog!!! If you join this new organization with this man Tafoya in it, you WILL get the same politics as the AA. Tafoya used to be Valverdes go-boy and kicked out many pastors himself in Arizona. There IS NO WAY this new organization will have ANY INTEGRITY with Tafoya in it. Especially with all the allegations os misconduct still hangin in Arizona.
My cousins advise is that if you know ANYBODY in Arizona to call them and more than likely they will tell you what kind of a man he is. There is even allegation of misuse of funds in the district and his local church. My cousin even told me his boys were doing drugs while in church go figure!
New organization,
Your lack of judgement in this case with Tafoya will come back to bite you! I wouldn't join if I was you pastors!
Dear Enrique;
Praise the Lord...
My dear brother in the Lord.
You are so "right".. Iam like
many people "Through out History", that were also "disco rallados".
The problem is that you and others that "want" us to Ignore the "real crises of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Incorporated.
Is that the Assembly has "inherited", dysfuntual individuals like the GBM who had "lousy" and "improvised"
adolesence and even in their youth.,
And now that they "found" out the secret, the "real honest to goodness "secret", that the Entire ministerial Body of the Assembly is "running" acared of the GBM, well then there is no "limite" how far these "gallos" de pelella will
take all of us!!!!!
You know my dear Brother Enrigue, I have seen in my "life time" about 65 years of different GBM , and even I will include I knew personally the GBM from La Iglesia de Mexico, but in all my years I have never "seen" any 'LOUSERS,LOSERS,AND NOW, "MONEY GRABBERS, OTHER "PEOPLE'S HARD EARNED MONEY",
type of "bandits", highway unscruplous good for nothing "highway robbers", emblessers as this GBM.
Please believe me...Even though the other GBM were "tough" and "rough" and big time "legaslists", that would send, directly to Hell any one "married couple" to wear even a "simple wedding band".
AND OTHER 'SELF MADE' RULES AND MUNIPULATIONS, THAT EVEN THIS GBM IMPOSE OF ITS MEMBERS.
'VELO' NO JEWLERY, UNLESS IT A MAN'S MAVADO WITH 4 (FOUR) INSET DIAMONDS, THAT THE GBM WEARS.
I repeat and repeat and repeat the same "Old" same "oLD", AND YOU ARE STILL "HONORING THE HONORABLES, THAT ARE WITH NO "RIGHT" REFINANCING THE ASSEMBLIES PAID CHURCHES, WITH SO MUCH SACRIFICE.
YOU KNOW THE STORY ON THOSE "STURGGLES",
BUT SINCE THE GBM KNOW THAT EVERY SINGLE ASSEMBLY MEMBER THAT "STAYS" IN THE APOSTOLIC ASSEEMBLY IS "UNDER THE GBM "CONTROL AND MUNIPULATION', THEN THEY ARE HAVING A "RAMPAGE" ON A "FREE FOR ALL OF THE ASSEMBLY'S CORPORATION PROPERTIES.
THERE "DEFINATELY" WAS NO NEED WHAT SO EVER TO "SET UP ANOTHER" APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS....
NO NEED WHAT SO EVER.................
OH BUT MY DEAR BROTHER ENRIQUE THERE ARE TWO REAL REASONS WHY?????
BECAUSE THIS WAY THE (THREE GBM BOARD MEMBERS OF THAT NEW CORPORATION IN TEXAS, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE AND PACHECO, CAN DO MORE "FRAUD"......
THEY CAN "TRANSFER MONIES" FROM THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPORATED IN CALIFORNIA TO THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS, CORPORATION... AND "LEAVE THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS INCORPATED IN CALIFORNIA "EMPTHY"
DID YOU GET IT MY DEAR BROTHER ENRIQUE?
OR DO YOU WANT ME TO "REPEAT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN", LIKE A "BROKEN RECORD", THAT I AM!!!!
DO YOU THINK MY DEAR BROTHER ENRIQUE, THAT THIS INDIVIDUALS, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, THE MACHINE, BEHIND THIS; AND THE GENERAL SECRETARY EDWARD PACHECO, WOULD BE SO "STUPID" AS TO MAKE ANOTHER CORPORATION IN TEXAS, JUST TO HAVE THE "BANK ACCOUNT FOR THAT NEW CORPORATION ---- EMPTY???????
YOU KNOW ITS TRUE...BUT YOU AGAIN BAITED ME!!!!
WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT "FACTSONLY 1, IS EITHER "VALVERDE, PACHECO, OR THE "OTHER" "MANDADERO" "AGUILAR"..
MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US...
GOD BLESS YOU.
To all Bloggers:
Sorry about all the deleted comments..
I have explained that posting is not "easy" for me and so many
of the same writing are posted, that I "really" have to delete the "same ones that were sent>"
Explained? thanks.
On a lighter note
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To Get to the other side.
Why did Pacheco cross the road?
To go after the chicken to squeeze another egg out of it!
A certain commentator once wrote, that the church is just an extension of the Israelites in the desert. It has taken much sweat, tears,time work and countless lives to build up what we have now, the church. It is incredible that in a few short years, men have brought this orginization down. I guess it is true, that its easier to tear down than to build up.
Factsonly
You know what, I agree with you. There are hundreds of pastors in the AA that started or pastor churches that are not related to the GB. Also, it is true that if you have a call from God no man can stop you. That is exactly the reason why no man was able to stop me. I did have a calling from God.
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ad ho•mi•nem - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ad hom-uh-nuh m nem, ahd-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
Is this the reason why you want to know what organization I am in, or where I pastor. You would rather attack me than defend the GB’s wrong doings.
Why do you get so offended when I mention the GB? Are you really one of them?
By the way, I don’t know why my congregation trusts me so much, but they do. I must be doing something right.
A todos los Obispos, Ancianos, Pastors y Cuerpo Ministerial:
Salud:
Paz de Cristo Hermanos!
Espero que ustedes me puedan compreder por tener este "encargo" de mis Raizes Apostolicas de "tratar" de comunicarme con ustedes en lo mas "breve posible" porque esto puede tomar un mes o mas para completamente declarse y exlicarse.
Yo a Ustedes, los respecto (algunos.) y les amo mucho en el Senor. Pues me he credo con muchos de Ustedes.
Hay llegado la Asamblea Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus Incorporada, a una "situacion" muy muy muy "critica" y muy muy "carnal".
Aunque mencionan a Dios, pero es mentira, no tienen a Dios en su noticia.
Yo se que muchos de Ustedes bien saben que esto a "surgido" por muchismas "edades".
Y con varias Mesa Directivas de la
Asamblea.
Porque desafortunamente ya se acabaron aquellos varones, que deriguian la Asamblea, aunque tambien con "faltas", por ser humanos. Y como dice el Senor en la Biblia, "Nadie es santo sino Mi Padre que esta en los Cielos". Que era El mismo hablando, humanamente.
Hermanos, las "elecciones" que tomaron acabo en Long Beach, no fue una "cosa" que nunca se habia hecho. Ustedes bien saben que mucho se "hablaba entre nosotros" sobre los que salian ano tras ano los mismos y mismos..
Aun las "Dorcas" y los "Varones" y los Mensajeros de Paz" se veia esto muy claro.
Pero por "respecto" o por "miedo", o por no "recibir" "bola negra", todos callaban. Y al que hablase nadie lo defendia, sino que se "revelaban" contra aquel que "tubiera la valentia de HABLAR'.
Cuando en Long Beach, surgio un varon de Dios, El Obispo Abel Torres, un joven, que fue hijo de un incansable Pastor Pionero, Valentin Torres, que logro trabajar junto con su esposa y familia en lugares "lobregos" y en muchisma escaces, como muchos de nostros tambien sufrimos.
Ahora que este Joven Obispo Abel Torres, por primera vez precencio, las elecciones usando "La Famosa Calificadora, y tambien lo recentemente, traido de La Iglesia de Mexico, por Martin Del Campo, que Martin Del Campo, ha dado information ael Hermano Sanchez, sobre como trabaja La Iglesia de Mexico.,
y el Hermano Martin Del Campo, aun tiene muchos familiares en Mexico que el recibe informacion de sus familiares de estos de Los encuentro, y Cellulas, etc.,
Bueno sigo a lo que les estoy escribiendo sobre lo que ya ustedes saben muy bien de esto de aqui en Long Beach.
Cuando el hermano Torres vio lo que estan haciendo, y al mismo tiempo ustedes todos en ayuno y en oracion, sin comer, y sin dormir, y el fraude que se estaba haciendo...el Obispo Torres, digo, esto es un "pecado".. Y en verdad si es de "robar el voto a otros.
Los mismos discipulos "tubieron votos despues de Judas, y fue electo Mathias. Asi es que es pecado esto que hizo el hermano Sanchez, y el hermano Valverde, es contra la palabra de Dios, o no es? ,
pregunto esto porque el Hermano Sanchez, "cree" mucho en la santidad, "Y EN LO JUSTO!!!!"
El Obispo Torres no se puedo "quedar callado" y luego sugrio lo que Ustedes ya todos saben.........
Si la palabra de Dios dice que no "lleves a tu hermano a Corte, entre los del mundo. I Cor. 6:11
Ustedes saben la Biblia mucho mejor que nadie...
Pero ahora miren Hermanos.
Tan mal hizo el Hermano Sanchez,y Valverde, la maquina de todo esto y los que mandan a Edwardo Pacheco, yHermanos Abel Aguilar y Maffey..
Pero esto no se ha areglado,
Va de peor en peor.
Se figa Ustdes en la carte enviada en agusto 15, 2008. Sobre "De el Gran Banquete," y del dinero que planea recojer, y recibir, sobre un "REVALISMO"
COMPETENCIA, SOBRE "IGLESIA y IGLESIA!!!!!!!!SOBRE PASTOR Y PASTOR, Y SOBRE CONGREGACION A CONGREGACION?????
Hasta donde nos van a llevar esta Mesa Directiva????
No tienen fin para EL DINERO!!!!!
SE LEVANTAN, SONADO $$$$$$$ Y MAS $$$$$$$.
TIENE DOBLE "SALARIOS" DE EL SALDO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, Y DE SUS IGLESIAS QUE SON COMO $10,000.00 DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA,
POR MES Y $4,000.00 POR IGLESIAS.
YA BASTA DE QUE ESTEN 'SACANDO' TANTO "DINERO DINERO, Y MAS DINERO DEL PUEBLO DE DIOS!!!!
USTEDES CREEN QUE ES CRISTIANA MENTE DE HACER UN "META" DESPOTA, QUE "DIQUE" PARA "MISIONES".
PREGUNTELE A LOS MISIONEROS QUE TANTO RECIBEN POR MES?
SI LA MESA DIRECTIVA QUIERE SER TAN "BONDADOSA" QUE "SUELTE" UNOS DE SUS VASTOS, SALARIOS Y LO DE A "MISIONES"!!!!
LA MESA DIRECTIVA, CARTA FIRMADA POR EL HERMANO SANCHEZ, Y EL HEERMANO PACHECO, TIENEN PLANIFICADO, COMO USTEDES BIEN SABEN LO SIGUIENTE:
$10,000.00 POR IGLESIA, Y SE LE DARA UN "MEDAL" TAL VEZ QUE COMPRARON DE EL DOLAR STORE.
O SI DA $5,000.00 POR IGLESIA, Y SE LE DARA UN "MEDAL" DE PLATA,
O SI DA $2,500.00 SE LE DARA A ESA IGLESIA UNA "MEDALLA" DE BRONZE, TAMBIEN DEL LA TIENA DEL DOLLAR...
TAL VEZ LOS "MISIONEROS: RECIBIRAN $1,000.00, Y LO DEMAS SE LA MANDARA EL HERMANO AGUILAR A SU HIJO QUE TIENE EN 'LONG ISLAND' , AREA DE NUEVA YORK.
Y COMO ESCUCHO USTED EN LA 'ULTIMA' CONVENTION EN TEXAS, QUE UN "EVANGELISTA QUE ESTABA EN MISSISSIPPI, TUBO QUE IR A PEDIR "DINERO DE OTRA IGLESIA, CREO QUE BAUTISTA PARA PODER COMER ESE DIA!!!!
AHORA USTEDES BIEN SABEN LO SIGUENTE...
QUE NO HABIA "RAZON'
NI CUAL QUIERA DE ESTABLECER OTRA CORPORACION DE OTRA EN TEXAS,
LLAMADA "APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF TEXAS..
NO HAY NECECIDAD DE QUE SE ESTABESCAN "OTRAS"CORPORACIONES...
LA ASAMBLEA ES RECONOCIDA POR EDADES, POR TODO EL PAIZ,
Y CON CREDENTIALES, OFICIALES, PARA QUE PUEDANOS UNIR EN "MATRIMONIO" LEGAL MENTE Y RECONOCIDO POR CUAL- QUIER ESTADO DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS.
PERO LA "NECESIDAD" QUE SI TIENEN ESTOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA" ES DE "TRANSFIR FONDOS" DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA INCORPORADA DE CALIFORNIA PARA LA NUEVA CORPORACION DE TEXAS, QUE FIGURAN COMO MIEMBROS DE ESA "MESA DIRECTIVA" SOLO LOS HERMANOS SANCHEZ, VALVERDE Y PACHECO.Y NO MAS....
Y ESTA CORPORACION DICE QUE NO INCLUYEN MIEMBROS...SOLO LOS TRES, SANCHEZ, VALVERDE Y PACHECO....
ELLOS NOS DICEN QUE SI ACASO LOS QUE 'DEMANDARON' A LA ASAMBLEA POR "FRAUDE EN LAS ELECCIONES', HUBIERAN GANADO EL CASO, ENTONCES LA ASAMBLEA TENIA DONDE PONER LOS FONDOS PARA "OTRA" CORPORACION DE TEXAS....Y NO PERDER LAS PROPIEDADES DE LA ASAMBLEA!!!!
SE FIGAN HERMANOS QUE SI HAY DIFERENCIA EN ESTAS DOS CORPORACIONES?
LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA INCORPORADA EN CALIFORNIA, Y LA DE TEXAS, SON
'DOS' DIFERENTE IDENTIDADAS...
TWO DIFFERENT INDENTIES!!!!!
YO NADA MAS LES ESCRIBO POR LA EXPERIENCIA DE TANTOS ANOS QUE HE TENIDO EN LA ASAMBLEA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS INCORPORADA.
Y TAMBIEN PORQUE SE MUY MUY BIEN 'LA MENTALIDAD' DE LOS QUE YA SE FUERON CON EL SENOR...ESOS HOMBRES, HUMANOS, SI, PERO AMABAN LA OBRA DE DIOS,
Y MUCHOS DE ELLOS SE FUERON A LA ETERNIDAD, LLENO DE EDAD, Y BIEN GASTADOS HUMANA MENTE HABLANDO, DE LO LOBREGO, Y SUFRIMIENTOS ESCASES, Y MUCHOS DESPRECIOS Y SUFRIMIENTOS Y ESFUEROSOS PARA "COMPRAR TERRENOS PARA EDIFICAR TEMPLOS.
PARA QUE ESTOS INDIVIDOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA, ESTEN "REFINANCIANDO A LO "BRUTO" Y EN "RAPIDEZ", PORQUE "PRONTO" SE LES LLEGA EL DIA...
PERO ENTRE TANTO, VAN A DEJAR LA ASAMBLEA, COMENSANDO DE "NUEVO" A PAGAR SUS TEMPLOS!!!!!!
HAY MUCHOS PASTORES, Y PUEDO DICIR OBISPOS, QUE SIEMPRE SE "HAN VENDIDO" POR SOLO, UNA ELECCION DE SER OBISPOS, Y TAMBIEN DE TOMAR IGLESIAS YA TOTALMENTE CONSTRUIDAS,
COMO HERMANOS, MISAEL ZARAGOSA,
ANDY PROVENCIO, ELIAS DUARTE, ABEL JIMENEZ, SAMUEL VALVERDE,VICTOR PRADO, Y MUCHOS MAS QUE SON "INTIMOS" DE LA HONARABLE MESA DIRECTIVA...
ME IMAGINO QUE HAY MUCHOS MAS EN OTROS ESTADOS, FUERA DE CALIFORNIA, PERO ESTARIA AQUI TODA LA NOCHE.
NO VENDA SU IGLESIA, NO TRACIONE A DIOS. ESTOS INDIVIDOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA SE LES HA IDO EL $$$$$ A LA CABESA, Y LE HAN DADO UN TESTIMONIO HORRIBLE A LOS JOVENES.
Y A TODO EL MUNDO ENTERO..
DICE EL LA CARTA EL HERMANO SANCHEZ, "O SI DE LAS ALMAS" Y COMO ALCANZAR LAS ALMAS PARA DIOS."
SABEMOS TAMBIEN QUE TODOS DE LA DIRECTIVAS, DORCAS,
VARONES, Y MENSAJEROS DE PAZ, LOS HERMANOS CREEN QUE SON "ELECTOS" ,
EN ESTO TAMBIEN HIZO EL hERMANO SANCHEZ, VALVERDE . FRAUDE!!!!
IMAGINESE LAS HERMANAS MARRON Y LEON POR EDADES EN LA DIRECTIVA DE LAS "DORCAS" PORQUE LA MESA DIRECTIVA 'MANIPULEA" LOS FONDOS DE LA FLOR AZUL...QUE TANTO TRABAJAN LAS DORCAS, Y ESTAS DOS HEERMANAS DE LA DIRECTIVA "NO DICE, NO VEN, NO OLLEN NADAAAAAAA."
HUBIERA MENOS PROBLEMAS SI ESTAS PONIENCIAS SE APLICARAN, EN LA CONVENCION.
PERO ESTO ES UN SUENO, NUNCA PERO NUNCA HUBIERA UN "JOSUE, O UN JOSE' QUE IMPLEMENTARA ESTOS..
Y ADEMAS LA MESA DIRECTIVA NUNCA DEJARIA QUE "NADA DE ESTO PASARA"
Y LA VERDAD ES QUE HAY "UNIDAD EN NOSOTROS, NI RESPECTO, NI CONFIANZA, NI LEALTAD.
"SOLO RESPECTAMOS POR MIEDO A LOS "HONORABLES"!!!!! PORQUE SINO NOS 'SACAN'.....
ESTO SERIA DE UNA MEJORA CRISTIANA EN LA ASAMBLEA...LO SIGUENTE"
1. LOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA NO PUEDEN SER MIEMBROS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA Y SER PASTORES AL MISMO TIEMPO.
2. NINGUN MIEMBRO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA NO PUEDO TENER MIEMBROS DE SU FAMILIA EN LA MESA DIRECTIVA.
A LA MISMA VEZ.
3. NINGUN MIEMBRO DE LA MEZA DIRECTIVA NO PUEDE FUNCIONAR NO MAS DE 4 ANOS....(CUATRO) NOMAS 4.
4. NINGUN MIEMBRO DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA NO PUEDE FUNCIONAR EN LAS ELECCIONES.
LOS OBISPOS, O EX OBISPOS SOLO PUEDEN SER NOMBRADOS PARA LA PRESIDENCIA..
TAMBIEN PARA LOS OTROS PUESTOS.
5. UNA AGENCIA INPARCIAL SE DEBE DE "CONTRATARSE' PARA QUE HAGA LAS CUENTAS Y LAS ELECCIONES.
6. TODOS LOS DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA DEBEN DE HABER SUPEERVISADO IGLESIAS EN LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA.
NO MENOS DE UN PEIODO. (4 ANOS)
SE DEBE DE "CAMBIAR" LA CONSTITUTION" PARA QUE ESTO ESTE EN ORDEN.
Y NUNCA ACEPTAR, EL MENTADO CID,
QUE EL HERMANO MARTIN DEL CAMPO TRAGO DE LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO..
LA IGLESIA DE MEXICO TAMBIEN CORRE LAS ELECCIONES DE LA MISMA FORMA...PERO NUNCA HAN TENIDO UN ,
MOISES, NI UN GIDEON, NI UN JOSUE, NI UN JOSE, NI UN DAVID, NI UN SAN PABLO, NI UN JOB.
PERO LA ASAMBLEA SI LO TUBO, EL OBISPO ABEL TORRES, Y EL HERMANO SANCHEZ, LO "HECHO" PERO NOSOTROS LO "ABANDONAMOS..."
DEBERIAMOS DEMANDADO 'OTRA ELECCION!
PERO ES MUCHO "TRABAJO" Y COMO QUIERA SERIA LO MISMO....
PORQUE???PORQUE EL HERMANO SANCHEZ, "NO TOLERA DICE EL," (JA JA,)
LA INGUSTIA, NI QUE NADIE LLEVE A LA ASAMBLEA A LA CORTE....
EL HA LLEVADO A "MUCHOS PASTORES".
PERO SI ES "TAN SANTO" Y "TAN JUSTO,"
PORQUE NO LE 'REGRESA LA CASA A LOS HIJOS DE LOS HERMANOS NARCISO, Y CARMEN ROMERO DE ANAHEIM.
EL HERMANO SANCHEZ, POR "FRUADE' LES QUITO LA CASA, A ESOS ANCIANITOS, QUE YA SE FERON CON EL SENOR. USTEDES PUEDEN IR A LA OFICINA DE "COUNTY CLERK" EN EL CONDADO DE ORANGE, Y TENIENDO LA DIRECCION DE LA CASA EN 906 nORTH
CITRON STREET, ANAHEIM, AQUI EN CALIFORNIA, SE LE DARA LOS DATOS DE ESTO QUE LE ESTOY DICIENDO SOBRE EL "ROBO" DE QUITARLES A LOS HIJOS DE LOS HERMANOS ROMERO, SU HERENCIA, LA CASA DONDE VIVE EL HERMANO SANCHEZ EN ANAHEIM .
EL HERMANO DANIEL SANCHEZ, ES TAN JUSTO, Y NO LE GUSTA HACERLE MAL A NADIE, ASI DICE EL, PORQUE HISO ESA MALDAD.
Y SI ES TAN JUSTO CON EL MINISTERIO. PORQUE NO DICIPLINA A SU HERMANO ELISEO SANCHEZ, QUE PASTOREA EN RICHMOND, VIRGINA, QUE FUE ELISEO LLEVADO, ARESTADO Y A LA CORTE POR HACER COSAS IMMORALES, A SU ESPOSA, CUANDO ELISEO SANCHEZ, ERA PASTOR EN HOUSTON, TEXAS.
SI EL HERMANO BENJAMIN QUIROZ, FUE TAN JUSTO Y DIGO QUE "ECHARON" A LOS HERMANOS QUE FUERON A LA CORTE , PORQUE EL HERMANO SANCHEZ, SE REUSO DE 'TENER' UNA NUEVA ELECCION.
PORQUE EL HERMANO QUIROZ, NO LE RECORDO A EL HERMANO DANIEL SANCHEZ,
DE EL HERMANO ELISEO SANCHEZ, QUE ESTA DE PASTOR DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA EN RICHMOND, VA.,
Y TAMBIEN EL OTRO EX. OBISPO TAN SANTO Y JUSTO EL HERMANO VICENTE ALVAREZ, ESE MANDA A TODOS AL INFIERNO SIN MISERICORIDA, PORQUE AHORA SU HIJO VICENTE ALVAREZ, JR., ESTA LLMADO A LA CORTE POR FRADE SOBRE LAS ASEGURANZA DE FUNERALES, DE LA FUNDACION DEL NOMBRE DEL HERMANO NAVA?
ESTE EX., OBISPO ALVAREZ, QUE TODA SU VIDA ESTUBO AQUI EN EL DISTRICO INTERIOR, Y AL FIN LO MANDARON PARA IDAHO...ALLA MANDO TANTA GENTE TAMBIEN A LA CONDENACION...
ESTOS FUERON TAN INJUSTOS, Y A LA VEZ TAN 'JUSTOS'. QUE NO TUBIERON CONSIDERACION QUE LA MESA DIRECTIVA NO QUISIERON DE TOMAR EL RIESGO, DE OTRA NUEVA ELECTION...
PORQUE AL "NO SALIR ELECTOS" IBAN A PERDER TANTO DINERO QUE RECIBEN POR MES, Y MAS DE "OFRENDAS" Y HONOR, Y "REGALOS" Y VIAGES DE AVION.ETC.,
USTEDES TODO ESTO SABEN Y MUY BIEN.
LOS SALDOS, Y EL DINERO, MUCHO MUCHO DINERO... $$$$$ "HACE VALIAR AL CHANGO, Y TAMBIEN AL CHANGERO"
(DICE UN DICHO)
HASTA CUANDO PASTORES, Y MIEMBROS DE ESTE CUERPO MINISTERIAL...
HASTA CUANDO VA A "BURLARSE" ESTOS CONTUMAS DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS....
Y DE DIOS Y DE LA OBRA DE DIOS?
CADA DIA ME PREGUNTAN, ?Y USTED PORQUE NO SE VA, PORQUE SIGE AQUI, COMO UN 'DISCO QUEBRADO'?
ESO LE PREGUNTO AL SENOR TODOS LOS DIAS EN ORACION...
Y DIGO...QUE SE VALLAN ESTOS QUE ESTAN DEFRUDANDO LA OBRA DE DIOS QUE COSTO LA SANGRE DE CRISTO EN EL CALVARIO..
PODEMOS VER CLARAMENTE QUE EL SENOR VIENE PRONTO..
LA MESA DIRECTIVA NO TIENE "CONCIENCIA, ESTAN COMO "ATONITOS...
CONFUNDIDOS."
ESTE PAIZ DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS DE AMERICA, Y TODO EL MUNDO ESTA PASANDO POR UNA CRISES, MUY DEFICIL, Y CON MUCHO DUDA.
Y ESTOS 'PERSONAJES' DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA...JUGANDO JUEGOS..
"UNA MEDALLA DE ORO PARA CADA IGLESIA SI DAN $10,000.00
Y EL PASTOR QUE SU IGLESIA DE $10,000.00 NO TIENE QUE PAGAR POR LA COMIDA PARA DOS PERSONAS.
"UNA MEDALLA DE PLATA PARA CADA IGLESIA SI DAN $5,000.00
"UNA MEDALLA DE BRONZE, PARA CADA IGLESIA SI DAN $2,500.00
IMAGINENSE!!!!!!!
NO SE RECUERDA DE HITLER?
COMO DICE LA PALABRA DE DIOS.
"NO TIENEN A DIOS EN SU NOTICIA."
"Y DIOS LES HA ENTREGADO A UNA MENTE DEPRAVADA"
ESTAN TOTALMENTE LLEGOS DE ALTIVISMO, Y DE EGOCENTRIC, Y CONFUNDIDOS..
PERO PASTORES POR ESTA RAZON LES ESCRIBO....EN ESPANOL..
PORQUE ME PONGO A PENSAR...
"PORQUE LE URGENCIA? DE LA MESA DIRECTIVA DE "REFINANCIAR" LAS IGLESIAS, Y DE VENDER, Y DE ENTRE-CAMBIAR?????
"PORQUE CONTINUANAN SIN TAL VERGUENZA, DE $$$$$$$?
DINERO, DINERO, DINERO......
PORQUE TANTO DINERO? PORQUE NECESITAN COMO "LLENAR" LA CUENTA BANQUERA DE LA NUEVA CORPORACION DE LA "OTRA ASAMBLEA DE TEXAS?
LA QUE ES DE SANCHEZ, VALVERDE, Y PACHECO.
CON "REFINACIAR LAS IGLESIAS", VENDER LAS IGLESIAS, DE MIDLAND, MONTEBELLO, HOUSTON,Y DE LOS PASTORES QUE "EHCARON FUERA" Y ENTRE-CAMBIAR IGLESIA, PARA TENER "IGLESIAS" EN LOCALES QUE "VALGAN MAS LA PROPIEDADES"?
LO VE, LO ENTIENDE? SI? O nO?
PERO SI TIENE "MIEDO".
PORQUE SI SE "OPONE" LOS
"DESCUMULCAN"
ENTONCES QUE VAMOS HACER????
ORAR A DIOS QUE LOS SAQUE......
SI ESTO ES MUY POSIBLE...
PERO ENTRE TANTO....PACHECO QUE ESTA "ACOSTUMBRADO" A ROBARLE A LOS HERMANOS....TIENE MUCHOS HERMANOS MUY OFENDIDOS, PORQUE LES ENGANO SOBRE LA VENTA DE CARROS..TAMBIEN "FRADE",
Y EL HERMANO SAMUEL VALVERDE APRENDIO TODO ESTO DE "FRADES Y ENGANOS Y DE "HACERCE RICO" CON EL DINERO DE LOS SANTOS....LO APRENDIO DE SU SUEGRO..HERMANO..DAVID CONTRERAS, Y TAMBIEN DE SU TIO EFRAIN VALVERDE.
QUE DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA DE LA ASAMBLEA , SUS MIEMBROS Y DE NOSOTROS.
HAGA RESPLADECER SU ROSTRO SOBRE NOSOTROS..Y NOS BENDIGA..
DIOS LE BENDIGA.
SI QUIEREMOS DAR A MISIONES, DESELO EN PARTICULAR A EL MISIONERO....
NO A LA MESA DIRECTIVA, PORQUE SE VAN A IR A SUS BOLSOS, Y DE HERENCIA A SUS HIJOS......
Y USTED Y SUS HIJOS?
DIOS LOS BENDECIRA.
Dear cbq:
Praise the Lord:
Its quite late, I had a very busy day and a long letter in Spanish, a "must letter" to the Bishops and Pastors.
On all the monies the GBM want at the "Gran Banquet" fund raiser' for "Missions"
What????? I wish it was so..
Just pray for the Apostolic Assembly. The new formed corporation of the Apostoliic Assembly of the faith in Christ Jesus of Texas., was not needed.
The Asambley has 'been regoznied as a non profit corporation with fully crediential ministers to preform marriages in full legality with any state in the Union.
This corporation was formed by Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco only to "transfer" funds from the AA.
Any way read it Spanish..
But my dear brother or sister...
Ive got to go to bed, but let me ask you one thing?
Would you rather have Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Aguilar, Ma , Prado, Del Campo and Espinoza than "TAfoya"?
God bless you...
Please pray for me. Thank you....
I will pray for you and yours too.
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