Thanks to a few iReporters this describes where we are in the Valverde debacle....
Tu Papa wrote:In case you missed it, I shall I summarize what has happened:
1.) Edward Pacheco was ousted by his cousin Sam Valverde within the last month or so. (I believe it happened after Edward got mad at Sam and confronted him about altering pastor Arellano’s resolution and ALTERED THE AMOUNT OF THE RESOLUTION FROM $600K TO ALMOST $10,000,000 using this forged document for The Fountain Church refinance loan (assisted by Andrew Rodriguez). That was a nice commission you and Ocho got!
2.) Sam Valverde decides he will quiet Eddie and removes him based on a lame excuse. BTW, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out Eddie was doing something “shady”. They are both cut from the same cloth…cousins!
3.) Eddie sends out a “Tell All” letter on some dirt about his cousin, Sam. (This letter had to have been authorized by Eddie’s attorney, otherwise it would be slander).
In the letter Eddie accuses Sam Valverde of the following:
a.) 1st San Bernardino church was raped of $1,000.000 cash to steer to Sam Valverde’s church. (I guess the SB church members are not worthy of their own building because The Fountain Church needs to build a mega building)
b.) San Jose Church had a resolution that was drawn up for Corona church altered (forged) to get more loans for Sam Valverde’s church. ($9,770,000 lien on San Jose).
c.) Solano Beach church was raped of their future by allowing Sam Valverde to put another lien on their property. (ALTERED RESOLUTION TO INCREASE TO Millions).
d.) Unauthorized email access was done of a board member's email account, General Secretary Daniel Solomon. It was done at least once by Sam Valverde’s wife, Rachel Contreras Valverde and consequentially many times through the years by Sam Pacheco Valverde.
FOUR CRIMINAL THINGS DONE BY Sam Valverde & company:
1.) Changed and forged name of resolutions designated for another church to The Fountain Church.
2.) Forged and changed amount of agreed resolution from $600k to almost $10,000,000 on at least 2 different churches. That's financial rape!
3.) Illegally took $1,000,000 cash from the San Bernardino church and hermano's for The Fountain Church
4.) Both Sam and Rachel illegally hacked bishop Solomon's email account. Federal & State crime!
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 3932 Newer› Newest»No one stopped Daniel Sanchez and or Samuel Valverde Malverde because they are all in on it, alright?
All the AA board is equally at fault and they are all responsible for all the stealing from the churches and members of the Apostolic Assembly, alright?
They were all in on it to get rid of Baldemar Rodriguez to quiet him and to get him out of the way so they could do their dirty deeds without interference. Their hard heads should have been alerted when over 250 pastors left the assembly, right? But the hard headed fools laughed and must have thought what a relief like many cult members also have said "good riddance" but those men who left the Assembly made their stand and voiced their concerns with their voice and with their actions and it turns out they were wise and it appears that most of the holy spirit may have left the assembly with those men because after they left the devil's workers of iniquity started stealing and robbing millions from the churches. They went on a rampage of lies, deceit, fraud, and theft.
1. They lied and cheated to get 2 votes Eddie (Samuels cousin)on the board.
2. They lied and cheated on loan documents.
3. They (stole)removed church property without authorization (about $13,000,000.00 That's 13 million plus dollars worth)
4. All the above narcissistic cult leaders believe that the president and the board members can steal money, mortgages, and property from the Apostolic churches without authorization which is stealing, alright?
The sad thing is that the pastors, elders and bishops did not have courage to stand up and teach and preach against all this evil because they are too cowardly and pathetic to take action and because they are too afraid of their church cult leaders on the board, alright?
5. They lied and cheated to kick Baldemar Rodriguez out, get rid of him and quite him.
Lying, cheating and fraud is an acceptable way of life for the cult leaders that make it to president and or board of the Assembly, alright?
Romans 2:21
Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Cont'd from above...
Now they are only working on doing damage control, alright?
Haaa!! Scam Valverde's own members are in denial. What a douche bag!
Has Scam Madoff been removed as pastor from FOT? They should put Abel Jimenez Sr Pastor there to add insult to injury. Those rats at FOT will flee LOL
I remain amazed at the level of vitriol and hate against Valverde and other Board members. If all of you would just reorient that same passion and vigor into winning souls, we'd have hundreds giving their life to God. Alas, that won't happen because most of you are backsliding sinners who love to hate anything that is remotely related to the AA. GET A LIFE!
What happened to you? Were you abused as children? Were you raised by wolves? Why so much hate and vitriol? It's amusing to see all of you so blinded by hate that you actually believe the IRS, DA and the press will give a damn? HAHAHAHAHAHA Didn't you try this during the Baldemar lawsuit? Funny, I don't remember seeing that Jorge Ramos 1-hr special: "Escandalo en la Asamble Apostolica" Did anyone DVR it?
The fact remains that Valverde migh have violated the AA constitution, but he broke no laws. He stole no money. It all went to his church WHICH IS OWNED BY THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY, not him personally. If that were not the case, I'd be the first one to cry for his immediate ouster. You're all losers with axes to grind. It's just sad that you're all relegated to a measly blog. You have no say. You have no voice. You have no authority. NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK. GET. A. LIFE.
@factonly,
Have you ever seen a nasty accident on the freeway, and even though it's an ugly sight, you still can't stop yourself from taking a peek? Yup, that's why I check out this blog. You're the ugly accident.
@factsonly,
I've never met the man. But it seems like you and him have crossed paths. what happened? Did he reject your diacono application? did he sit you down from the praise team because you weren't paying your diezmos? or was it more serious? Do tell.
No Dumass! We were raised Apostolic! We are the product of the corrupt AA doctrine! Fortunately, we blog and point this stuff out. You know, like Richard Maffey, who was convicted by the DA for child molesting. And Pastor Barrientos, who was convicted by another DA for Child Molesting. Go to Megans Law. You'll see their pictures posted there.
He took from the smaller churches to Enlarge his own palace.Yes nothing wrong with that.
@unknown,
Do you realize that this blog is mocked by all? Do you really think ANYONE will listen to a hate-filled, ex-AA member who is blogging in his underwear from his basement? Do you have anything constructive to add?
By now, we know that you hate the AA and everything and anything related to it. What else? That all you have to offer?
@jm,
I wouldn't call million-dollar properties "small churches," and he didn't "take" anything from them. There's simply a lien on those properties, which are owned by the corporation anyways. How is Hermana Lupita hurt by that?
Hermana Lupita though she was giving & sacrificing for her local church.Her trust was violated.Isn't that the way tele vangelist operate?
@nathaniel,
Why do you assume that just because I'm not condemning Valverde that I must be him or a family member? Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, Valverde has done more good than bad and that he's had an honorable ministerial career?
And I never said I saw nothing wrong with what Vaverde did. I'm just not a vulture that thinks he should serve prison time and be condemned to hell for his actions. Do you share that sentiment as the majority in this blog do? He's no longer in the board. He's lost salary and the prestige and honor befitting his previous position as a result. What would you want to happen to him? Throw him in jail? Again, he didn't follow protocol, in violation of the AA constitution, but I've seen no proof that he broke any laws. Most in this blog are throwing around slanderous accusations with absolutely no proof. They glorify Baldemar for having the "guts" to go against the AA, yet they dismiss and ignore the fact that he held the grip of power in the AA for far too long and has his own skeletons in the closet, lest anyone think that he broke no rules, cut no corners and didn't abuse his power during his 20+ year reign. This blog is full of hypocrites.
@ Dueprocess and all concerned-Due process is an idiot fool that does not know the truth and he is a liar and follower of the cult sinister leader Samuel Valverde Malverde. The truth is that what we write here on this blog feels like a tumor with thorns deep inside his rectum and colon.
The fact is that Samuel Valverde Malverde's actions are illegal but Samuel Valverde Malverde will not be prosecuted until someone files a complaint and or complaints and or lawsuits against him and his gang to bring these issues into a court of law, alright?
There are state and federal laws against being a fraud so called non profit preacher who has obtained luxury homes and vehicles at the expense of the non profit org.
There are state and federal laws against obtaining signatures for a mortgage loan when such signatures were obtained by the use of intimidation and duress which will make the signatures null and void.
There are state and federal laws against changing the names on loan docs without authorization.
There are state and federal laws against removing funds from the Apostolic church in San Bernardino without the authorizations required by law.
All that is needed is for someone willing to file complaints and or a lawsuit.
Because Samuel Malverde Valverde had some early victories in court does not mean he will be victorious this time.
Regarding the initial lawsuits Samuel Malverde Valverde was not kicked out of the Presidency.
But now he was kicked out because it is clear that he did wrong.
And know with all the evidence against him he could be convicted of felonies, alright?
The only thing needed is for someone to take him and the Apostolic Assembly to court.
Remember, the Apostolic Assembly has lost in court before with Willie Mendoza and I am certain that there are others the Apostolic Assembly has lost against.
It is also the reason that Samuel Valverde Malverde and his gang has not tried to take me to court for all the comments I post here and for all the comments all the bloggers post here because then eventually it would come out in the news and they want to keep it hush hush so that Samuel Valverde Malverde, the GB, and the Apostolic Assembly does have to go to court, alright?
Again Dueprocess is a lying backsliding from the truth cult fool and he is only trying to discourage all bloggers to help quiet as much as possible. He apparently is on Samuel Malverde Valverde's team, alright?
p.s. It isn't hate Dueprocess cult backslider fool, alright?
It's the saints speaking against the workers of the lying devil like you, ok?
True love of God speaks the truth and exposes the lies and works of the devil, alright?
@jm,
That's how corporations operate. Many companies sell, buy, lease, refinance and move around assets. An employee from, say, Apple, has no say in what the Board decides to do with its equity and assets. He's simply an employee. He still gets paid regardless of what happens. In the same manner, Hermana Lupita can sell all the tamales she wants, but at the end of the day, the trust deed of her church is not under her pastors', her's or her congregations's name, it's under the Apostolic Assemlby. Regardless of what happens to her local church (say it gets refinanced), that won't stop her from going to hear the word of God and fellowshipping with her congregants. Stop victimizing AA members. We don't attend our churches because of the buildings. IF that were the case, we'd all be flocking to the local mega-church. Yet, most of the AA churches are small to medium sized. But you alrady knew all of this, right?
@ Dueprocess and all concerned-I am a witness that the horrible accident on the freeway is what is left of Samuel Malverde Valverde, the GB and the Apsotolic Assembly who I am sure also reads this blog too fool, ok?
In this case the laws of the church state the appropriate authorization is required for the removal of funds from any local church. Fool, unauthorized removal of funds is stealing, alright?
And the church is not in another world like the narcissists fools like, Samuel Malverde Valverde his gang, the GB, and the Apostolic Assembly, and some cult members believe.
Stealing from a church is illegal and because a person is an officer of the church does not make it legal, alright?
No one stopped Daniel Sanchez and or Samuel Valverde Malverde because they are all in on it, alright?
All the AA board is equally at fault and they are all responsible for all the stealing from the churches and members of the Apostolic Assembly, alright?
They were all in on it to get rid of Baldemar Rodriguez to quiet him and to get him out of the way so they could do their dirty deeds without interference. Their hard heads should have been alerted when over 250 pastors left the assembly, right? But the hard headed fools laughed and must have thought what a relief like many cult members also have said "good riddance" but those men who left the Assembly made their stand and voiced their concerns with their voice and with their actions and it turns out they were wise and it appears that most of the holy spirit may have left the assembly with those men because after they left the devil's workers of iniquity started stealing and robbing millions from the churches. They went on a rampage of lies, deceit, fraud, and theft.
1. They lied and cheated to get 2 votes Eddie (Samuels cousin)on the board.
2. They lied and cheated on loan documents.
3. They (stole)removed church property without authorization (about $13,000,000.00 That's 13 million plus dollars worth)
4. All the above narcissistic cult leaders believe that the president and the board members can steal money, mortgages, and property from the Apostolic churches without authorization which is stealing, alright?
The sad thing is that the pastors, elders and bishops did not have courage to stand up and teach and preach against all this evil because they are too cowardly and pathetic to take action and because they are too afraid of their church cult leaders on the board, alright?
5. They lied and cheated to kick Baldemar Rodriguez out, get rid of him and quite him.
Lying, cheating and fraud is an acceptable way of life for the cult leaders that make it to president and or board of the Assembly, alright?
Romans 2:21
Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
@San Antone,
No funds were removed. Not one penny was removed from San Jose or Solana Beach. Their properties were used as collateral, meaning that a lien is now on their properties.
@ Dueprocess
The unauthorized removal of fund occurred at the Apostolic church of San Bernardino.
In the case of the San Jose and or Solana Apostolic church the loan documents were without authorization doctored illegally which is real estate fraud
The great thing about America is that there is a freedom to speak what's on your mind and becomes slander or defamation of character if the person writing were to be making it up. However in this case, something that was in secret got caught by the means of someone holding a form of blackmail on that person, however as wrong as it was to use blackmail the fact still remains that something was exposed that is contrary to what the person expounds to stand for. Being ethical, being above reproach, being without blame, a life protrayed from the scripture 'whatsoever is pure whatsover is clean it comes from the Lord' and in this case What Valverde did can be compared to what God states in His Word Ezekiel 34: 1-10. Now he is in God's courtroom, however we must not forget that according to His Word God states the will give them over to people to bring justice, would that be a courtroom? Don't put me in the same category as some that spew bad things from their mouths because bottom line is that all sin is forgiven by God however, in the level of ministry, according to His Word, ministry comes under a totally different form of discipline or judgement and what Valverde has secretly done by the abuse of his position as used it to defame God's church and that is one thing that God will not stand for. So you can defend him all you want but he is clearly in the discipline court of God which will make the ultimate decision. Don't be surprised if God indeed does give him over to those he 'does not know' which could be the courtroom of an earthly kingdom. By the way, I also agree that people should state what is in their minds but at the end there is no control of how people go about writing it, I also clearly understand that vulgarity and profanity lowers the purpose of this blog, it makes everyone look bad. We should do all we can to effectively and professinally state whats on our mind in order to be taken serously, becuase what has been committed is very serious.
The unauthorized removal of funds from the Apostolic church of San Bernardino was in excess of one million dollars $$$$$$$$$
Real estate laws are real estate laws and do not exempt any church organization
The unauthorized removal of funds from the Apostolic church of San Bernardino was stealing $$$$$$$$
Theft/stealing is a crime everywhere in the USA and does not exempt corporate officers and or ex corporate officers of a church. The Corporate officers of a church are held more accountable than any other corporate officer
@are you ready,
Finally a sane post. However, allow me to ask you a question. You say that an accusation is only slander or defamation if it is not true. Are you saying that all of the slanderous accusations spewed on this blog are all true? Wow, if that's the case, shouldn't Valverde be behind bars right now?
And are you also saying that God is against refinancing properties? Again, Valverde's property is under the AA's name, not his own or his church. He "defamed" God's church by cutting a corner and not following protocol? Ok, if that's your view, I guess you're entitled to it.
I honestly think that most in this blog are so bloodthirsty that they are elevating Valverde's actions to levels of criminality and malfeasance that are not merited.
Have any of you seen how other religions organizations are being run to the ground? How many child abusers and homosexuals are within their ranks? And yet here we are salivating over a couple of real estate transactions that did not personally benefit Valverde. At the end of the day, there are a couple of churches that now have a lien against their properties. Yes, he abused his power and it was correct to remove him. No, this doesn't mean that the AA is doomed forever. Calm down everyone.
The reason Samuel Malverde Valverde has not been arrested yet is because legal complaints and lawsuits have not be filed and or processed by a court.
And the Apostolic Assembly officers are working hard to keep it hush hush so that it is not known to the legal systems
cont...
And in hopes that the statutes of limitations expire
@ Dueprocess and all concerned- what's happening to Samuel Malverde Valverde ,the GB and the Apostolic Assembly is recent and time will tell what the long term effects will be. Up until today there have been more that 250 pastors left the Assembly time will tell how many more will leave and how the Apostolic Assembly's finances will be affected.
I believe the truth is coming out so that those Christians who are sincere and are alert will do what they need to get ready for Christ's return and the turmoil that will happen upon this worlds governments and church governments that are going to fall.
p.s. Dueprocess- you are the one that has issues with this blog so it is you who will be gone before I, alright?
@ Dueprocess- If you do not believe my words why are you communicating with me fool?
@ Dueprocess-p.s. Wake up fool cuz you know I am much more credible that you, right?
And you should know that if you are paying tithes and giving offering to the Apostolic Assembly, you are supporting the President, and GB's sinister acts, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU&list=LLqk6mrpyoZxT4q-oexeiHHg
And if you are paying tithes and offering at Fountain of Truth/Fountain of Deceit you are supporting the sinister cult leader Samuel Malverde Valverde, alright?
@ San Antone I thought paying tithes was the Lord's money?
This blog is always ruined by San Antonio.
Once all this scandal and current chisme dies down all you will see on this blog is endless posts and reposts from this lunatic.
About some craig lewis and tithing and about how hew was abandoned and hurt by The Assembly.
Thanks for ruining what was once a fine blog !
And Thank you so much administrators for not doing a damn thing about it ! Great work !
THIS BLOG SPOT HAS JUMPED THE SHARK !
AGAIN !
Kings and kingdoms shall all pass away before Christ establishes his kingdom here on earth and in the hearts of those who are sincere, amen?
@ Slayer- tithes were for the Levite Jewish priests and were never 10 percent of anybodies wages. The 10 percent to the Jewish Levites was because they were not given any land in Israel and so instead of having land to grow crops they were given 10 percent of the crops and other things the Jewish land owners owned. The required ten percent in some churches today is a false doctrine. You and I should give out of love for the work of God and not because someone coerces you or I to give, alright? If you give, give because you love the work of God in your area, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU&list=LLqk6mrpyoZxT4q-oexeiHHg
Due Process,
Thank you for your response. If you read the posts even though its written and 'presented' differently it concludes that some wrong as been committed, someone caught in secret otherwise it would have continued.
I know Sam Valverde and I've seen his ascent to the president post and believe me when I say that being president was something that he coveted and would get there no matter what he had to do and for him to give up this easily there has to be more than what has been published. In fact, so much more that it is highly questionable that he will even keep his church. The reason for this point is that you must remember what started all this; Edward Pacheco being removed from his church for the same issue and that is 'money', now I ask you, how could a different decision be made in his case? You see, once action is taken then a precedence is set there is no going back.
Now when you compare as to what happened to B. Rodriguez, D. Solomon, A. Torres and the rest, in that case all they were appealing for was that a committee of some sort be assigned to look into the alleged irregularities to the election results in 2006. Sources very close to this state that Daniel Solomon received the most votes but why was Daniel Sanchez placed there, same goes for Edward Pacheco? if it wasn't for some underhanded backroom deal and the same is true for most of the GB positions yet because they dare ask, then their positions and credentials were taken away. Now fast forward to 2013, seven years later the Assembly is faced with yet another scandalous case. So my friend,(hopefully I can call you my friend) I ask you, do you really think that there are only four claims against Sam Valverde that caused him to resign? I will take my guess and say there is more to this story. One major point that is being missed is the allegation of hacking into someone's email, this alone if proved can be considered a felony. So I ask you another question, what do you think will happen when the attorneys find out that client privileged information was being read by Sam Valverde and potentially shared with the opposing attorneys and I will not stop there, this could not have happened without Daniel Sanchez's knowledge and I highly suspect that he also read emails that he was not privy to.
Want to know why the Assembly attorneys were so well prepared for court? hopefully you guessed it, because it was highly possible that they knew in advance the points of the attorneys for B. Rodriguez, D Solomon and the rest which could be considered a gross negligence of the attorneys for the assembly which is also a gross violation of the law. So you see, it is much more than money, it is much more than blackmail, it is much more than secrecy, it is much more than mishandling of millions of dollars it could now be a violation of man's laws. So, yes, there has to be more and when the dust settles then we will all see the truth that Sam Valverde had no choice but to resign because he was going to be removed and secondly I predict that the he will also be removed from his pastorship. If the General Board does anything differently, then the next exodus from the Assembly will be huge in comparison to the 250 plus pastor that have already left. Did you read that correctly? over 250 pastors.
Attention those in authority, after you address Sam Valverde then it is only right that the investigation continues which must go back to 2006 under the reign and tyrannical leadership of Daniel Sanchez.
@ Slayer and all concerned-
p.s. After the Iglesia was born you never read the Apostles requiring tithes they only asked for love offerings, alright?
@ Slayer and all concerned-
and they did not require dues, registration fees or any other fees, alright?
@ Slayer- tithes were for the Levite Jewish priests and were never 10 percent of anybodies wages. The 10 percent to the Jewish Levites was because they were not given any land in Israel and so instead of having land to grow crops they were given 10 percent of the crops and other things the Jewish land owners owned. The required ten percent in some churches today is a false doctrine. You and I should give out of love for the work of God and not because someone coerces you or I to give, alright? If you give, give because you love the work of God in your area, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU&list=LLqk6mrpyoZxT4q-oexeiHHg
Cult leaders in the health and wealth and word of faith movements push tithes hard like the Apostolic Assembly, alright?
In the Apostolic Assembly there are many cult leaders that preach like the word of faith movement and health and wealth movements
Dear Blog Master -
Is it possible to start deleting comments? Doesn't make sense that what we read now is copy and paste. Devalues this sitem as it is we are trying to garner interest and San Antone 'devalues the value' What say you?
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
This blog is always ruined by San Antonio.
Once all this scandal and current chisme dies down all you will see on this blog is endless posts and reposts from this lunatic.
About some craig lewis and tithing and about how hew was abandoned and hurt by The Assembly.
Thanks for ruining what was once a fine blog !
And Thank you so much administrators for not doing a damn thing about it ! Great work !
THIS BLOG HAS JUMPED THE SHARK !!!
First off let me start by saying this may be a place where people show their hate and dislike for those who they feel have betrayed them or offended them and so what? People are allowed to speak their mind regardless of anything. Most have been held back that if its not "proper" or they weren't told they can't do it. Such examples are actually reading the bible in-depth and knowing the scripture for its true meaning and not just taking what has been taught year after year. So people don't do it because its not told to do so. Now if it were to be monkey see monkey do then everyone and anyone who has an apostolic background would be thieves out to do what is best for them and only them. It has been shown that our leaders have done so. But we choose to live our own life that we can be according to the plan of God and not mans. We are not perfect so excuse anyone on this blog for sharing their feelings. That is that.
Now lets talk about those who say Sam Valverde did not do anything wrong. I think its time that you all look at the facts. He didn't break any laws as of yet until proven about the email hack during a federal trial. But what he has done in fact is misplace millions of dollars in a non-profit organization. This is not a business like apple or anything, so they can't just do what they want and everyone underneath them just follow. A non-profit is actually about what you do to grow and improve the community as a whole. So therefore by taking moneys and moving them to one place for ones personal ministries because of position breaks a conflict of interest of the Apostolic Assembly. Therefore it is not a law he broke, it is a IRS code be broke which can jeopardize the entire AA as a whole. Sam messed up and is held more accountable because of his position. So be it. No one has the right to throw the first stone. But in this case what is Cesar's will surely be taken back be Cesar as far as a penalty of the IRS. So lets all do this instead, lets stop bashing each other and pointing fingers. Lets be there to help all the members right now who are going to be in need of a Pastor, a church, or anything they feel they lack. Have open arms because regardless of background and differences, WE all are children of God according to scripture. Now we must prepare to strengthen one another during these times. Because the scriptures say that the harvest is ready but the laborers are few. If we are not there for one another, we will have even less laborers as is. So stop judging one another, and put off the he said she said mentality and go back to everyone's focus here which I believe is serving Christ. Sorry if I offend anyone, but may God bless everyone and anyone who is being affected by all these actions and give them peace and comfort in their lives.
God Bless,
BobTheSlob
@are you ready,
Are you implying that there is something inherenly evil about wanting to become the president of your organization? You speak of Valverde's desire to do so as though it were a sin or a crime. Any CEO/President and/or elected leader has a healthty ego and the drive and desire to reach the upper echelons of their respective organizations. Is that a bad thing? You seem to think so. Don't tell me that Baldemar didn't want to be president during his 20+ years in power. If that is your claim, then I can't take you seriously.
Also, your arguments are full of assumptions that always seem to ascribe the worst of intentions against Valverde. Has it occurred to you that he voluntarily resigned for the good of the church so that our Assembly wouldn't be embroiled in other lawsuits?
As to the email hacking, you are basing your allegations on a claim from a disgruntled former pastor (Pacheco), right? Other than that one paragraph in his letter to Fortino, do you have any proof? Or are you simply regurgitating unfounded accusations? If so, shame on you.
For your information, if it was a corporation email address, once Salomon left the Assembly, he had no right to it. The corporation can do what it wants with it, just like your employer has access to your work emails. So, even if the reading of his email turned out to be a true claim, there would be no violation. But, again, you will never give Valverde or others the benefit of the doubt.
Finally, you keep on saying that 250 pastors left the AA. You conveniently leave out the number of pastors that have returned back to the AA. I guess the grass wasn't greener on the other side.
The main issue that I have with you and with others on this blog is that you WANT to believe every accusation made against Valverde. You're using your biases against him to further cloud your judgment. You would make a terrible jury member if you're so easily eating up and accepting as "fact" each and every accusation made against Valverde. If you were an uninterested third party, maybe you'd see things differently. As it stands right now, you are not. You're out for blood.
@ (false) counselor- You are welcome! And thank you for showing your lack of emotional control. Maybe some day soon you will become a real counselor and learn how to use assertive communication instead of showing so much of your out of control aggression, ok? Great work on your repetitious requests, yeah right? :)
Question: Is Rev. Sam Valverde remaining as pastor at Fountain of Truth?
@ all bloggers concerned-
Samuel Malverde Valverde broke more than just some IRS code as some of his cult followers want you to believe, alright?
He lied, cheated, stole and committed fraud that's besides all the work of iniquity he has done in the Apostolic Assembly.
He has broken almost all the commandments of the word of God while professing to be a teacher and preacher of the word of God.
So do not be deceived by his cult followers or the false teacher Samuel Malverde Valverde himself, alright?
p.s. Samuel Malverde Valverde has been dishonest and continues to be dishonest and that alone is worthy of involuntary termination from working in the Apostolic Assembly at any level, right?
He has no contract to work for the Apostolic Assembly. He is a right to work employee that can be terminated for any reason.
@Are you ready for the truth?
You speak as one who might be privy to some inside information. If your prediction is correct, I would be surprised, to say the least, that the General Board had the courage to remove one of the most popular men in the Apostolic Assembly.
I think they will not remove him but will decide to let him keep his church. The General Board will say that because he admitted his fault and "resigned" (although we all know he forcefully resigned) he will be allowed to keep his church. His admission and resignation will allow the GB to spin this as a way of redemption.
Due Process - Then you must be a member from his church.
Just some points:
1. Using his authority as a tyrant
2. Pushing pastors out only desiring an appeal
3. Potential harm against assembly for violating IRS rules
4. Mismanagement and personally handlings MILLIONS of dollars and at this point it still has not been answered officially where this money really meant.
5. Tampering into an email, however you are correct, it is the ownership of the company but if the allegation were to be proven then it will be confirmed that attorney client priviledge was used for court purposes by the opposing attorney which would be a serious offense 'if proven' against the attorneys in question
6. Keeping this a secret but now trying excuse himself now that he was caught,
and fnally, knowing how much he coveted that position, like i stated before and will report, once the 'dust settles' we will all find out that there was more to the original four points that caused him to resign and sadly he is trying to pass hmself as a vicitm.
As to your point about pastors returning, you better check your records and facts. Do you know that in Houston area alone there are over 20 pastors that have left. Are you ignoring the fact there there are over 200 pastors registered in the fellowhip of AWA alone? no my friend, you are mistaken and if they did return then it was their right. Everyone has a right to do what they want. But to return to a hierarchy which by the way is not biblical is a verysad choice, the pastor is the highest office in the church, that my friend is scripture.
But I ask, don't be like those when presented an opposing view you resort to name calling or 'out for blood' and idiotice comments like those, don't be a cat cornered look at the facts and don't be clouded,
p.s cont'd
The good news is that I have not charged any Apostolic members any tithes, dues, or fees, right? I have most likely saved some of you from feeling like you owe anybody any tithes, ok?
On the other hand Samuel Malverde Valverde pushes you all hard to pay tithes, dues, fees, etc.. and he has cheated many of you out of millions of dollars, right?
Time for real solutions.
How about a 50% across the board pay cut for our part-time GB officials? How about using Webex for video conferencing rather than spending so much money on airfare and hotels for monthly meetings.
Use the $480,000 savings from salaries plus the money saved from travel overhead, to pay down the mortgage on this building, until we can get these liens removed and get the CD back to it's rightful owners.
How about a fine be levied against the income of the perpetrator obtaining all the proceeds from the sales of his books, CD, and preaching material, and all of that money returned to the church in San Bernardino.
How about requiring that the perpetrator be required to go before these respective congregations and try to explain how the eraser fell onto the resolution, and while he was fetching it, he accidently rubbed the church name off.
How about a constitutional amendment that requires all officials with signing authority, to have their books and records audited by an outside CPA firm, while in office.
Bloggers, What's the big deal?
@Due process
Do you believe he (Sam Valverde) should be removed from pastorship?
If he is removed, will you then admit that there were more serious violations committed than what any of us on this blog know?
@ Business_as_usual- I commend you on your proposed possible solutions. I only wish the majority of the AA leaders and members were as wise as you, alright? The possible solutions proposed by you are truly achievable if there were only men as wise as you in the Apostolic Assembly.
I like you thinking above so much that I am going to re-post it and share. If you like Business_as_usual's post I request that you re-post and share :)
p.s. Samuel Malverde Valverde has been dishonest and continues to be dishonest and that alone is worthy of involuntary termination from working in the Apostolic Assembly at any level, right?
He has no contract to work for the Apostolic Assembly. He is a right to work employee that can be terminated for any reason.
Business_as_usual said...
Time for real solutions.
How about a 50% across the board pay cut for our part-time GB officials? How about using Webex for video conferencing rather than spending so much money on airfare and hotels for monthly meetings.
Use the $480,000 savings from salaries plus the money saved from travel overhead, to pay down the mortgage on this building, until we can get these liens removed and get the CD back to it's rightful owners.
How about a fine be levied against the income of the perpetrator obtaining all the proceeds from the sales of his books, CD, and preaching material, and all of that money returned to the church in San Bernardino.
How about requiring that the perpetrator be required to go before these respective congregations and try to explain how the eraser fell onto the resolution, and while he was fetching it, he accidently rubbed the church name off.
How about a constitutional amendment that requires all officials with signing authority, to have their books and records audited by an outside CPA firm, while in office.
@ Business_as_usual- I commend you on your proposed possible solutions. I only wish the majority of the AA leaders and members were as wise as you, alright? The possible solutions proposed by you are truly achievable if there were only men as wise as you in the Apostolic Assembly.
I like you thinking above so much that I am going to re-post it and share. If you like Business_as_usual's post I request that you re-post and share :)
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone... At least the Pharisees had enough conviction to not stone the adulterous woman...
You guys are throwing stones like you all are Jesus-style squeaky clean!
lol
Bunch of Cowards! If you had to use your real identity or at least your email tag like I'm using, Sis Cantu would be the only one with enough ____ to post on this blog.
@ auditor, it doesn't matter who's offense is 'more serious', the fact that you admit that your careless ranting on this blog IS an offense, is enough admission on your part, on behalf of every blogger, & that what you are doing is an offense before the Lord and thus, you need to repent and pray for your brother in Christ, that God would have mercy and allow him true repentance.
Let's use the Apostolic Church of Alice, Texas.
Let's say pastor Roman Almeida got a resolution from Pastor Frank Balboa's church and then changed the lien to reflect Fountain of Truth church for a total of $9,700,000.00. Do you think that Sam Valverde would say "No problem since you put it into an Assembly building and we own it". It is not a big deal that you changed the original resolution from $60k to $10,000,000.00...Not a problem pastor Roman Almeida.
Do you think the members of FTC would be ok that they have a $9,700,000.00 lien on their property? Do you think Sam Valverde would be ok with that?
Absolutely not! They would be extracting his church for sale and redistributing the monies right back to FTC.
That is absolutely what FTC should be required to do!
Sam Valverde should be required to sell the building for $10,000,000.00 and go back to renting a high school!
It's not a big deal to you @Due process because you are an obvious Valverde follower!
Justice will be served!
God's justice and judgment has already began over the ex-bishop presidente!
God will get that last word, AA238 & Due Process...Yes He alone will get the last word!
Your judgment has just begun!
I repent from mine!
auditor,
I don't believe he should. If he's not removed, will you publicly apologize for slandering a man of God?
If you answer both of my questions, I will also answer your questions!
Praise God! I sincerely respect your spirit of godliness auditor...
Thank you AA238! Now we are getting somewhere!
If Samuel Malverde Valverde, FOT/Fountain of Deceit cult followers and the GB were sincere Christians they would restore and pay back all they have taken from other churches.
including:
the one million plus from the church of San Bernardino
and the Apostolic Assembly would help refinance the FOT/Fountain of Deceit so that the churches of San Jose and Solano Beach mortgages are restored, right?
As for you SAN ANTONE,
you should change your name to san antonto.
Better yet, your current name can be moved around to read san ant one, or even better, san one ant, AKA, la santa hormiga!
La Santa Hormiga! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Everyone is gonna bahhahahaha at your new nickname!
"Right? Right? duh huh Right? alright?"
Sorry about that fellow bloggers, this guy just has me FED UP! I just had to cut into him.
No problem AA238, I sincerely respect your spirit of godliness...
@ready for the truth Did you not try to Pastor in the AA? Only to fail and have your license removed? Are you still disgruntle about this and now wanting to attack the AA along with san antone?
I do not condone what Sam may have done, but as mentioned by Due_process, we should consider all facts before jumping to assumptions.
Factsonly1 we can definitely tell that you are a result of leadership gone bad. But you should turn to Christ and not look at man. Do not blame man for the state that your life is in.
@unknown-123
Let's not talk about @ReadyforTheTruth. He's not the one that was able to scam $14,000,000.00 from three AA churches. That label goes to the ex-presidente Valverde!
Let's get back to the "business" at hand.
@ Unknown_123 - I don't blame man for the state my life is in, but I blame you for the state he AA is in! Dumbass.
@ AA238- Is that all? Is that the very best you can do? You are going to have to do much better than that, ok?
You can pass on judgment unto any man but you do not want to judge your cult leader Samuel Malverde Valverde, right?
Ba ha ha ha! Lol!
@ AA238-p.s Your butter knife is very dull. I don't pay Samuel Malverde Valverde any tithes, ok? But you on the other hand do pay him your tithes, dues, and other fees, right?
So go ahead keep paying your lord Malverde Valverde your tithes, ok?
@ AA238- so you know who is the real tonto that pays the tithes, right? It's AA238
It's a done deal! Valverde is going to be removed from his church in Fontana!!!
The Truth - Are your sources reliable?
@truth, if thats true i hope they send Lugo,Saenz and Guerra they will do the job right.
The auditor is coming! The locksmith is coming! Fontana police! Humbty Dumpty sat on the wall...
Mira Santa Hormiga, Ya callate la boca Right? No estes comentando mensadas, ok? Right? dudhuh alright? Right? Right? Right? Ya? Ok?
Te expresas mensamente... La santa hormiga hahaha lol!!!
WHO IS THE REAL TONTO?
REALLY?
LET ME GUESS,
LA SANTA HORMIGA! - SAN ONE ANT
@ the truth:
Can you safely and unequivocally state that your sources are trusted? Are they privy to this because of an insider at the AA 8 GB general offices or is it coming from an expectant outcome that will be NO surprise to so many people within and outside of the AA?
A continuacion, debido al hecho de que no se les ha informado a la congregacion de FDV:
A pesar de que las violaciones relacionadas con resoluciones no son poco comunes y muchas veces son hechas debido a la negligencia, la Comisión consideró esta infracción seria por el monto de nuestro préstamo y por el hecho de que yo, como presidente, fue el que la violo. Estos asuntos de violaciones no están exentos de complejidades, pero están todas dentro de los parámetros de las resoluciones y las irregularidades constitucionales, nada más. Dado que este asunto es un negocio que ahora pertenece a Fuente de Verdad, yo voy a informar a los miembros de FDV (en una reunión general oficial) sobre la complejidad de dichas resoluciones.
Perspectiva BÃblica
La renuncia de un presidente puede ser precaria y afectar el impulso, la dirección y el espÃritu de la organización. Yo animo a todos a que permanezcan bajo la cobertura de Efesios 4:3
“SolÃcitos en guardar la unidad del EspÃritu en el vÃnculo de la paz.”
Algunos pueden estar totalmente de acuerdo con la decisión de la Mesa Directiva, mientras que otros pueden sentirse inclinados a defender incondicionalmente al Presidente. Aunque todos tienen el derecho de tener su propia opinión, insto a todos a que hagan todo lo posible por mantener la unidad del EspÃritu. Insto a los pastores a que sigan trabajando con la Estrategia de Jesús, a que continúen enviando sus evaluaciones mensuales y que continúen diezmando y ofrendando con un corazón generoso. La Asamblea ha pasado por muchas experiencias y Dios nos ha ayudado a través de cada una de ellas. Él nos va ayudar a atravesar esta, si continuamos haciendo todo lo posible por permanecer unidos.
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Seems like he's going to drag this on for awhile, in order for them to receive and garner a great consensus of sympathy.
@auditor...I am simply trying to point out that he may be disgrunted and that we should not point fingers without knowing the facts. I know that "are you ready for the truth" is not ready for his truth.
@Factsonly1 LOL...you crack me up...to bad you had a troubled past. :-) praying that God restore you.
A bigger mistake is Abel's promotion to Vice.
How can anybody follow a man that beleves gold dust was going to fall from heaven in his church!
@auditor Also if you are willing to disclose other's faults...you have to be ready for yours to be brought out.
He who is without sin cast the first stone...you ready for truth?
@______Said
The new vice-president is Victor Prado.
Get your info right! LOL
@Unknown_123
I have no problem admitting I am the number one sinner!
I am simply bringing out valid points which you can't stand because it is ALL true!
@ Unknown_123 LOL...you crack me up...to bad you had a troubled past in the gay scene of the AA. :-) praying that God restore you.
I think Mr Leybas must be quite busy as he should be starting a new thread around now.
He should know that after 2 days we have to wade past 300 posts of our most popular blogger Saint Anthony.
Oh! and you guys that write paragraphs with 50 sentences must know we skip right over them due to our short attention spans.
@auditor I have no problem, but you were telling me not to point out "are you ready for the truths" loss of his credentials in the AA.
Factsonly1: NEVER in the gay scene...but I guess we now know your struggle. Its sad that you have strayed. Another one bites the dust :-)
@ Unknown_123, I was NEVER in the AA to begin with to have strayed. You on the other hand ARE in denial about many things, including the gay scene...and believe me everybody knows your struggle. That's why you defend your beloved leaders so hard, because they are the sugar daddies that keep providing for your, shall we say, assenine needs!
I think you bit something else. Dumbass!
Dear Apostolic Assembly General Board and members in general,
I want to continue my thoughts on the distinction between Sin vs. Iniquity. I believe it has been clearly established that the sin of iniquity is committed man to man (humans toward each other).
I need to distinguish this because, we the Apostolic Assembly have a crisis on our hand regarding "Iniquity". Our recent "Ex-Former Bishop President has created a website where he is clearly unrepentant of his actions. He has become impotent of recognizing his wrong. I don't know if he will continue to give us further information via his website.
What I do want to establish is….that there is a difference between sin and "Iniquity". The ex-bishop president is a prolific teacher, however I am not certain he understands this subject matter very well.
I am not a disgruntled pastor and I do wish mercy upon him by the Lord. However, these issues involving the "Ex-former Bishop President must not be taken lightly. Not by anyone, including the "ex-former Bishop President" himself, the new General Board, the District Bishops, the Elders, the Pastors, the congregation and especially the Fountain of Truth congregation. You, FTC have at your disposal the greatest tool (aside from the General Board). I understand the spin is already in full force at your local church, please be prudent and beware. I pray you make wise decisions.
SIN and INIQUITY
What is the difference between sin and iniquity?
The words, sin and iniquity, are found together in some form in about 70 verses in the Bible. Many times they are used parallel to one another, as in Psalm 38:18 –
"For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin."
Although we can be certain that they are synonyms and have the same basic meaning, there must also be something that distinguishes them. Let us consider these two words.
SIN- is the most general term for actions which are wrong. One word picture looks at sin as missing the mark. If we think of this in the terms of an archer shooting for a bull's eye in a target, this may give us a good idea of the meaning of sin. He may overshoot the target.
We do that when we go beyond God's allowed actions and commit what are commonly called sins of "commission". That is, we do something we are not supposed to do. However, the arrow may also fall short of the mark. This would be a picture of sins of "omission". This refers to the things we should have done but fail to do.
(Joshua 1:7). Therefore, anything that comes short of the perfect glory of God (the center of the target) is sin
(Romans 3:23). Sin covers all wrong doing of any sort.
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INIQUITY- With iniquity, there is a difference. First of all, whereas sin deals with the action or lack of action that is wrong, iniquity deals more with the character or nature of the act. The word, iniquity, comes from in-equity and it refers to that which is unequal, unfair, or unjust.
That explains why David in Psalm 32:5 refers to "the iniquity of my sin." His sinful actions had the character of iniquity; of being unequal. (Sin of inequity toward Uriah)
According to the dictionary," iniquity in its more narrow meaning "consists of violating the law of right between MAN and MAN." The Oxford English Dictionary says that it is used especially of "wrongful or injurious actions towards another, infliction of wrong, injury." To practice iniquity is to be unjust and unequal in our dealings with others. We see this side of iniquity often in scripture.
The workers of iniquity are those who eat up God's people like bread (Psalm 14:4),
and lay snares for the saints (Psalm 141:9)
The money Judas received for betraying Jesus is called "the reward of iniquity" (Acts 1:18).
In summary, iniquity refers to that which is un-equal in our dealings with others. In earlier English, it was especially used to refer to our unequal dealings with other men.
ORGANIZATIONAL REFORM
UNA REFORMA DE ORGANIZACION
1. a pastor and a local board to run the local church.
2. the pastor can join the AA as a group / organization (like upci) or cancel membership.
Currently churches / pastors have no walkaway power……at least not those who have been around for any length of time (paid off churches the local church has paid over many years),……….. thus we have seen the blatant dictatorship of the x president and we continue to have a hostile environment where it easy to blackball pastors, to use intimidation tactics, to remove pastors, and the use of questionable if not reproachable behavior by leaders. It is a sad day when church leaders are more worried about not violating laws of the land than His laws. It’s ok, the good book says:
to those that do not understand the actions of the x president- Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. That is what we are seeing before our eyes.
It is sad to see this old outdated organizational structure that many do not want to see changed for their benefit/abuse, and the current constitutional amendment process only allows a few select items that a few men have determined acceptable to be brought before the electorate/pastors. that is why no 'propuestas' like organizational reform have seen the light of day. it won't happen as long as the general board members can help it. it will happen over their dead bodies. it seems like right now is the time to take a good hard look at changing the assemblies culture that is mired in scandal, nepotism, cronyism, fraud, and frankly shame.
Why won’t the organization move forward like it should?
for good reason, to maintain the status quo, to don't rock the boat, and to keep paying your tithes so headquarters continues receive their cut to misappropriate /mismanage, pay overpaid board members and bishops salaries (not really sure what they do anyway), and at the very least be poor stewards, with little to no accountability, oversight, independent audits, or a functioning grievance process.
ORGANIZATIONAL REFORM
UNA REFORMA DE ORGANIZACION
BRO. GERMAIN WHAT IS VERY REVEALING ABOUT MY PASTOR VALVERDE AND A MEASURE OF HIS TRUE CHARACTER IS THAT HIS OWN RELATIVES WHOM EVEN ONCE WORKED WITH HIM IN THE MINISTRY DON'T EVEN TALK TO HIM ANYMORE ! LIKE : RANGEL, MENA AND NOW EVEN PACHECO ! THESE ELATIVES KNEW VALVERDE EVEN MORE SO THAN MOST OF us ! -sincerely a prophet from fontana church who sits in the fourth row and somewhere on the right hand side
HNO. GERMAIN LO MAS REVELADOR QUE PUEDE JUSTAMENTE MEDIR EL VERDADERO CARACTER DE MI PASTOR VALVERDE ES EL HECHO QUE AUN SUS FAMILIARES MAS CERCANOS QUE TAMBIEN TRABAJARON CON EL EN LAS OFICINAS GENERALES Y EN EL MINISTERIO HOY EN DIA YA NO LE HABLAN ! TAL COMO : RANGEL, MENA Y AHORA PACHECO ! ME PREGUNTO PORQUE SERA ? -sinceramente y departe del profeta de fontana que se sienta en la seccion 4 de fontana al lado derecho
We just all need to be in prayer. Prayer for ourselves, our families and our leaders. All of this shows that we are living in the end times. May God grant us all mercy and Bro. Sam Valverde mercy as well.
Business as usual,
You are correct sir I see a post of a half a page or more and just skip forward to a post that is direct and to the point.
I see the name san antone and skip forward to a more relevant and serious blogger.
I really am enjoying my new way of reading this blog.
I suggest you all do the same and do not address the lunatic that has escaped from the asylum.
And do not bother addressing me you crazy man I will not engage you !
That's exactly what i've been doing Counselor ! Ignore the babosadas !
I skip and do the same. Ok? :)
I affirm San Antone's right to post here.
But unfortunately, I skip over his because it's repeats.
Dear San Antone, please use the blog wisely. It doesn't matter which side of the aisle you sit on, just blog normal without too much cut and paste.
I promise to start reading! You can do it! I believe in you and please don't take this personal...
Gracias por tu comprensión
1st gold dust & diamonds fall from heaven or was it the concerts on Saturday night that left them behind!
Bishop Aguilar - General Sectetary
CT church rents to secular artist on the weekends, according to Bishop Aguilar the "building" is not the church, we the people ARE the church! Therefore the sanctuary can be rented to anyone for anything! .
http://video.univision.mobi/entry/view/id/1060271#entry/view/id/1060271
Go to 6:30 into the video
The disgrace of having Bishop Fransisco Mesa's dedication plaque in the background while the artist goes into a rant!
These are the leaders on the GB, imagine what kind of concerts they'll be having at FOT!!!
@Unknown,
I also sit at church observing what you say. You just mentioned a few of his relatives. That's the tip of the iceberg!
I have seen him IGNORE his own family members and act like he doesn't know them.
He is a great actor.
Do you know that in the greek hypokrisis applies to any sort of public performance (including the art of rhetoric), hypokrites was a technical term for a stage actor.
Honestly, that is what I see, a stage actor.
I have no other way of communicating with everyone at once so I will say it here...
We have been told that Sam will not be removed from FTC and Fortino is going to stay put in Florida.
Thank you for your prayers!
Sam Madoff Valverde gets to keep his church. Sam Madoff Valverde remains in a position of influence. Why even bother to remove him as President of the AA?
Promote Bishop Gold Dust? Mockery!
The aa's leadership is lost. I pray for the membership.
@Factsonly1 You do not have to have been a part of AA to have strayed. If you were never saved, then yes, you could not have strayed from the truth. Then I pray that one day you give your life to Christ and change your ways.
Also, If you were NEVER in the AA how do you know about the gay scene? Unless you have been involved in the scene, or maybe you are still in the closet. For not being a part of the AA you claim to know about it.
Maybe you were hurt by someone on the board when you made a pass at them and you felt rejected and bitter when they did not reciprocate. POOR Factsonly1 :-( I don't blame the AA for your state either, I blame your parents. I still pray that God heal your mind and restore you. I know you need it!
@ Unknown_123 - I see you like coming back for some more abuse, makes sense. So let's do this then.
You asked, "...If you were NEVER in the AA how do you know about the gay scene? Unless you have been involved in the scene, or maybe you are still in the closet. For not being a part of the AA you claim to know about it." Yes I do know about it. How you ask? By visiting your AA churches and seeing all the effeminate people either singing, or playing, or teaching, and your pastors just look the other way.
First you say, "If you were never saved, then yes, you could not have strayed from the truth. Then I pray that one day you give your life to Christ and change your ways." And then you say, "Maybe you were hurt by someone on the board when you made a pass at them and you felt rejected and bitter when they did not reciprocate. POOR Factsonly1 :-( I don't blame the AA for your state either, I blame your parents." Really! How do you pray for someone's salvation and then with the same heart make cutting and mocking remarks to the same person you said you were praying for. WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!! Typical AA apostolic.
Instead of telling me, "I still pray that God heal your mind and restore you. I know you need it!" why don't you pray for God to heal your mind, because by the looks of thing, you being a Christian needs it more. Because if anybody, YOU should demonstrate the gifts of the spirit to the unsaved. AND YOU MY FRIEND ARE A POOR EXAMPLE TO ME OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN!
P.S. Dumbass!
Why do all of you AA bashers assume that the grass is greener on the other side. You love to bash Valverde and other Board members as power and money hungry. What to do? Go follow TD Jakes? Olsteen? Or some self-appointed prophet and/or apostle? Because if that's the case, we've got alot of those around.
Yes, we have our issues, but I'd much rather stay here than go elsewhere and deal with more corrosive issues.
Because it's a corporation like Apple not a church.Check out comment on April 2,2013 at 1109am.
Hello: I can't say that I know all the details of this new issue with Samuel Valverde and his cousin and the GB all I know is the stress my pastor is being put through. Receiving threatening letters about being removed if a certain offering or report was not received. Sadly enough the whole assembly needs a makeover. Even down to the district boards. It always amuses me when I hear a member of the district board being related to or friends with someone higher up. It is no longer a pleasure to say I belong to the Apostolic Assembly. What saddens me about this whole ordeal is that these men and women (from the GB all the way down the bishops and elders of each district) get behind the pulpit and talk about integrity and humility and love but once they are done preaching they couldn't be bothered with "the little people". So for me it is not just this incident it is the arrogance of those "leading". Why don't we "the little people" demand that an audit be done on the Assembly books. How is it that some churches are struggling to make ends meet while other churches have multimillion dollar buildings and benefits. Another thing and please educate me if you feel I am speaking ignorantly, don't just insult me. This whole idea that the employee should be paying for worker's comp instead of the employer. I know that I don't pay for worker's comp at my job, my employer does. Not once have our leaders including our bishop and elder asked if we were ok financially. Not once have they stopped to consider that maybe that offering was not sent because we HAD NO MONEY or just enough to pay our expenses. Or that report was not sent because there was an emergency to tend to like a death in the pastoral family or illness. So tell me why should we remain in an organization which has done NOTHING for us except give us grief and stress all so their coffers may benefit. While my pastors uses his hard-earned money to cover our local church expenses.
@myi'rsonjesus
thank you for your insight. My parents are Pastors in the Apostolic Assembly as well and all I hear is how much stress and threats they receive from the Assembly. They work hard to pay what needs to be paid but at the end of the day when you have a few members its hard to meet all the needs of the national headquarters. All of this is just so confusing. May God help us all.
I can also say that I do not wish any harm or wrong to Pastor Sam Valverde. I pray that blessings continually abound in his house, his children and his local church. But I do ask for accountability. If a Bishop had done this with one of his churches in the district what would have happened to him?
@Factsonly1 LOL
"By visiting your AA churches and seeing all the effeminate people either singing, or playing, or teaching, and your pastors just look the other way. " how many churches have you visited? I am interested to see your statistics?
"Really! How do you pray for someone's salvation and then with the same heart make cutting and mocking remarks to the same person you said you were praying for."
Simply because we must pray for all; even the lost. I did not make the remarks from my heart, they were from my lips only...in my heart I do care for your salvation. You cannot help that you are the product of your environment, but God can change that.
Love you in Christ and Praying for you.
Due Process, hahaha. How can you even compare. Bishop Valverde to Jakes, Osteen, White or any other non-denominational preacher. For one those Pastor's are known world wide. While the Assembly President especially Valverde was only known in the assembly.
If you were to compare him to a person of equal stature such as maybe that of the UPC. Then I would gauge you with a good response.
@ Unknown_123, hahahahaha...you said, "I did not make the remarks from my heart, they were from my lips only...in my heart I do care for your salvation." Hahahaha what a hypocrite!
Doesn't the Bible say that "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Listen Mr. Unknown_123 I would recommend that you stop saying anything or you are going to continue to put you foot in your mouth. Thank God that there are other apostolics outside the AA that I can seek the help I need. As for you fellow, you look like you are cut from the same weed all the AA leaders (GB & bishops) are cut from. NO THANKS!
Dumbass!
@John Matthews,
I'm talking about the levels of scandals surrounding these other "named" preachers. The AA is minor league compared to the millions upon millions of dollars that these other religious leaders rake in every year. Did you know that about a dozen of these high profile preachers (Creflo Dollar, Paula White, Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn.. you get the picture) have at one point or another been under congressional investigations for their finances?
We're so small-thinking, that we're making a scandal out of a small infraction. Again, the grass ain't always greener at the other side.
Paz de Cristo- You should know that I like and appreciate the few wisemen's comments here. I'm ain't naming names. I enjoy reading your blogs. Be bold! Be courageous! Too many bloggers here are like fools, alright? I read all bloggers comments to help me determine which of you are wise and which of you are like fools, ok? I don't read all blogs completely cuz some of you take way too many words to make your point & you bore me. You critique my posts and re-posts but you long repetitious posts are worse than mine omg, ok?
Can you believe the blogger who stated he counted all my posts? He must be ocd, right? At least I work to be clear and concise in each post. I encourage all of you to be more clear, concise and to the point.
And the fools get you some treatment so you won't need to vent and rant so much, alright?
So I will give you that. They may have had financial problems. However, Valverde has commited so much more than just financial problems.
This is only the first of many that have been highlighted for all to see.
Valverde has covered up a lot of stuff. Any man of God may try to cover up his trail we have seen David do it. It was exposed not as publicly as in Valverde case. Valverde used a lot of people. Then throw them away in the trash. Case in point, "Sanchez" and "Pacheco."
Do you know that when Bishop Aguilar's sister had passed away. He came up to "Bishop Baldemar" and Sam told him. Bishop Baldemar welcome to my house. This was way after he had stole the 1 million from Bishop Rodriguez. What kind of man does this.
Cont'd from John Matthews...
Samuel Malverde Valverde at the funeral mentioned above said..."this is my house"...
telling Baldemar in a rude hateful way.
Samuel Malverde Valverde believed that the Apostolic Assembly belonged to him that he could do whatever he wanted unfairly to any in the Apostolic Assembly, alright?
Samuel Malverde Valverde acted as if Samuel Malverde Valverde was the Lord of the Apostolic Assembly, alright?
@Factsonly1 LOL!! You really crack me up. "Thank God that there are other apostolics outside the AA that you can seek the help I need." I am just glad that you realize that you need help! Please do your best to seek it, and more so from GOD.
Cont'd from John Matthews...
Praise God! Praise be to God almighty that God has removed the imposter Samuel Malverde Valverde from taking the place our Lord and Savior, amen?
Christ rules!
Now maybe the Apostolic Assembly is a little better without the fool of ex-president and imposter Samuel Malverde Valverde
Aren't you glad that the tyrant dictator and cult leader Samuel Malverde Valverde has been humbled and kicked out from being president of the Assembly?
Me gusta como aun Valverde y su esposa entran y salen de este foro y se burlan de la Asamblea y de sus propia grey.
Who in their righteous mind needs a narcissistic tyrant dictator and cult leader fool like Samuel Malverde Valverde, right?
The Apostolic Assembly does not need narcissistic fools like Samuel Malverde Valverde and the world does not need narcissistic cult leader fools like Samuel Malverde Valverde either, alright?
@ all bloggers-
This notice is not for you truly wise bloggers, ok?
You fools who think you are wise and who comment about the same thing over and over I request that you put all you clear concise thoughts on a document and post your comments and re-post your documents as needed instead of going on long winded posts that are unclear and are not concise, ok?
@Due process
It is very sad that you defend Valverde by comparing him to legitimate WORLDWIDE ministries like Osteen, Jakes, Long, Dollar, Whites, Hinn & Myers? They didn't take from small churches buildings or bank accounts!
Valverde extorted $14,000,000.00 dollars from poor little churches that would be happy to have $1,000k...This is a poor organization with many small churches.
They are all in bad neighborhoods and they wouldn't get $5,000k from the Assembly if they begged on their knees.
So compare this to what Valverde did by abusing his position, power by financially raping the Apostolic Churches.
Here is the address of the San Bernardino church who had $1,000,000.00 dollars in their account stolen by Valverde! Without the pastor's permission!
1242 W. 6th St. San Bernardino, CA 92411
Anyone can Google the address and access the map and picture of the poor little church, Valverde financially raped!
Look at the poor church building! Do you think this poor Apostolic church needed the money or do you think Sam Valverde "coveted" that money to accumulate $14,000,000.00
You will give account Sam Valverde! Yes you will!
Beware Apostolic's!
There are too many narcissistic Apostolic cult leader fools like Samuel Malverde Valverde, alright?
Samuel Malverde Valverde was only one of the worst, ok?
Narcissistic Apostolic cult leader fools deceive you to treat them like if they are Lord and they use manipulation and coercion. They too often use put downs, flattery, slander and lies as needed to control your life, your families life your children's life and your money life (finances via tithes, dues, and other fees).
valverde should not be able to continue the pastorship at fontana church because he has an evil spirit.
Denying the truth when pacheco approached him, pride, greed, 2-face, and who knows what else. Would you really want to be under his pastorship, not me. Several years back I was for a time, and within that time I could see right through him. He showed himself to be a dedicated servant of God but things he said from the pulpit were not right like those so called members who were not tithing regularly he labeled them as "spiritual bastards". I would be afraid now more than ever of his actions. He needs to pay for his actions along with his 'beloved' wife.
I am a former member of the aa, born and raised by two God fearing christians both 'generational'in the aa. My father was an ordained minister and pastored a small church for several years til my mother his faithful companion in life and in his ministry passed on to be with the Lord. Not wanting to cause any 'talk' he resigned his pastorship. I thank God that I was raised the best they knew how (spiritually) and I accepted the Lord as my Savior at an early age. Now as an adult married with family I have chosen along with them to abandon the aa and their doctrine because I was sick of not learning the WHOLE truth. Mind you we did not leave the christian faith, but now we are learning the Word of God as it is written by a TRUE man of God in a wonderful christian church(Calvary Chapel) a church that the aa has 'hated' since its inception.
I have seen and a lot of 'stuff' happen in the 48 years I spent in the aa, but this 'takes the whole cake'. Most of the aa pastors I have known are in it for the money, power, prestige, etc. and not what they were put there for.
The last aa pastor we had approached my family and I because we were not 'abiding' by the aa rules(legalism) and told us to correct our wrong because he was afraid that a 'dignitary' could suddenly show up to a church activity and see our wrong and get him in trouble. In his words, "I don't want to lose my job". Now do you call that spiritual dedication, to the work of the Lord? HOGWASH! May God have mercy on him for those words. and to this day he still is a pastor. I am sure many others are like that.
@ HermanoGermain- Do not be deceived by ministries that seem to be legit and are not such as Osteen, Jakes, Long, Dollar, Whites, Hinn & Myers, alright? Those ministries are only better at serving mammon than Samuel Valverde Malverde, ok?
@hermano,
Greetings Baldemar! This is you, right? You're willfully blind if you believe that the millionare ministries that you have noted haven't cut corners and done shady deals. I don't see Valverde driving around a $350K Bentley or owning his own plane like they do. Why don't you go picket outside these "worlwide ministry" offices to demand accountability? Oh, and what part of BEING UNDER CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION did you NOT understand???? Most of these ministers have at one point or another been under federal investigation. Again, we're peanuts compared to them.
You keep on calling the two churches that Valverde used as collateral "small churches" in bad neighborhoods. Are you out of your mind?!?!?!?!
Have you physically seen the churches? Solana Beach sits on prime real estate, overlooking Del Mar and minutes from the ocean. The property is worth MILLIONS of dollars and has a healthy congregation. If you consider them a poor small church, then I've got a bridge to sell you buddy!
As to San Bernardino, the moment that you (Baldemar) CHOSE to sue the AA, you were kicked out. Your congregation CHOSE to leave with you, and in doing so, you willingly and voluntarily gave up everything that belonged to the AA. Stop whining and crying you little fool! You lost in a court of law!
@WatchOut,
Bendiciones Obispo Salomon! Como esta?
@ all bloggers-
This notice is not for you truly wise bloggers, ok?
You fools who think you are wise and who go on long winded fricken comments about the same repeatedly, I request that you put all you clear concise thoughts on a document and post and re-post your as needed instead of you going on on with your unclear and non-concise on and on's, ok?
Pretend like you went to bible college and you studied homiletics (preaching tech) and that you are teaching and or preaching a concise message as concise as you possibly can, ok?
It will help you develop your teaching and or preaching skills! :)
@JohnMatthews
You're telling me that these so-called ministers "only" have financial problems? Half of them are divorced! One of them was accused of sexually abusing teenage boys and settled out of court! And yet here you are endorsing and glorifying them.
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?
We should all be down on our knees thanking God that this is only a small non-criminal infraction. Or would you rather that our leader turn out to be a pedophile? a homosexual drug addict? a divorced philanderer?
San Antone, You have some good points. However, this is where I have to disagree with you on the bigger ministries. Like the ones you just spoke of. They serve others with their ministries. I have seen Jakes and others go down and build clean wells for people to drink from. Places where the AA dignitaries would not even dream of going. I never once saw they AA help anyone but themselves. Not this other ministries. They actually dedicated time to their communities and even other countries. That says a whole lot more than anyones words including my own.
Wow did you just not do the very thing you tell us not do on this blog.....Due Process.
So what is the difference between what you just said right now on this blog and everyone did see it. What is the difference between what you just did and what others are doing on this website.
@ Unknown_123 LOL!! I'm glad I crack you up. Yes I do realize that I need help. Which is not what I can say about you. You are like Valverde, cut from the same weed, you need more help than me and in your self righteous mind you think you are ok. I think these words apply to you and your AA leaders, “Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." Matthew 12:33-34.
Dumbass!
@JohnnyMatthews
You don't like that I'm calling our your lies?
@Factsonly1 LOL!!! hahaha! That is a good one...take a closer look at the scripture and then come back.
The word applies to everyone! Looks like you also speak nothing but evil things as well!
I like your signature/nickname that you put on every one of your comments...I couldnt have picked a better one for you.
:-)
Due Process. I perfectly happy with you doing whatever you think it is that you doing. You are only trying to turn it on me because you act all high and mighty valverde lover. When in reality you do the same stuff as we do. So you are not any better. lol. I am perfectly happy sitting here calling you out. While you are probably red in the face because like your fearless leader you got figuratively slapped in the face. lol Enjoy your day due process.
@ one of the blogger fools above- Regardless of whether any Apostolic and or former Apostolic president, GB member and or member has a legal right under the constitution of the Apostolic Assembly to hold any office after they have been kicked out or left the Apostolic Assembly for whatever non sin of death that person should be treated with dignity, respect and some hospitality if the Apostolic Assembly is a part of the true Iglesia of Christ that follows the word of God with sincerity, ok?
Only if the Apostolic Assembly is more of a cult that does not follow the holy scriptures will it be hostile and provide no hospitality to former members, former presidents, and or former GB memers, ok?
UPDATE!! Alright, some of you asked me if my sources were reliable? All I can say is they have access to the GB information on a daily basis, even though they don't work at the AA offices.
The latest word is this! When Fortino notified the Valverdes (Sam & Raquel) that they were being removed, she threw a royal fit and Sam threatened Fortino that if he removed him from the Fontana church, Velaverde would reveal all the illegalities and immoralities of the other board members, including some from Fortino.
Fortino then met with the GB and all of them adviced him to just leave Valverde alone where he is at.
Now this will tell all the AA people what kind of man the new president is (Fortino).
Will he still remove Valverde and risk more scandals and possible removal himself?
Or will Fortino keep quiet, cover all other improprieties like the status cuo is, and maintain his position? Remains to be seen.
@ Dueprocess- I agree with John Matthews assessment of you. You are out of your mind on left field, alright?
@ Unknown_123, LOL yea but JUDGEMENT begins FIRST in the house of the Lord!!! And your judgement will come first my friend. And maybe when I see you being judged, like right now, I might surrender my life to Christ!
LOL Dumbass!
Fortino-Do the right thing! Do righteousness! Kick out Samuel Malverde Valverde from continuing to pastor The Fountain of Truth/Fountain of Deceit even if you suffer and need to resign afterwards, ok?
If you feel that the person next in line to be president may not be just enough I encourage you to have and hold an emergency election to elect the next president asap.
But do right! Get the narcissistic cult leader fool by the name of Samuel Malverde Valverde out of The Fountain of Truth/Fountain of Deceit church cult building, alright?
Fortino- Let all the sins and improprieties come out!
It's a good way to come clean! Clean house completely!
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
So on to relevant information. I think Fortino does not have a choice. Pacheco is not going to let this go. I would not be surprised if Pacheco takes all this info. to the the authorities. If I was Fortino I would kick Sam out before Pacheco takes it to the cops.
Fortino-let's get oll the chamucos out! Que salgan!
Let's get all the devil's lie out and all the wicked works out, alright?
Vamonos!
Word is that Fortino WILL let Pacheco come back. To what extent still remains to be seen.
@the truth, your update makes me laugh so so hard! I can believe the chiones valverdes would do something like that! Why can't fortino stand up to them like a man of God and send off like two dogs with their tails between their legs and put everything in God's hands. But NO, TOO MUCH DIRTY LAUNDRY IN THE aa! With that kind of leadership, God have mercy on that dis-organization. My distance from my past has just gotten greater, and all I can do is laugh.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
@Factonly1 The key word is "Might"...got to love your signature still
No better name for you!
@thetruth,
Were you also able to speak with Tupac and Michael Jackson? It's hilarious how an unfounded chisme from one of you, always from "sources close to the AA Board" are then repeated as "truth" and "fact." Again, I'll repeat it until someone disproves me, all of you WANT Valverde to be guilty of all the litany of charges that are thrown his way. You disgust and amuse me at the same time. Off to your conpiracy theories now!
Due Process! That is hilarious - you calling me bishop! Wow, sorry but you are way off base. Keep trying though. That would be like me assuming you're Obama! Haha
The founders of this institution did not forsee this level of contempt, as they evangelized house to house, on the road, in the park. Slept in the homes of the brethren and had little or no income while the Assembly was growing. They did not seek the praises of men.
My grandparents received the Word at a migrant farm worker camp over 80 years ago. The Apostolic preacher came there stood on a box, and preached to all the workers. Many were saved. There was not a pastor in that community, no building, no congregation, no checking account, maybe not even a bank, Just God! They would take the best man they could find, and establish him there. He would work it until he eventually moved on or died.
Because these people outgrew the houses, they acquired essential property. These assets would then be traded up until this present day. The appreciation was not really planned or expected, just a function of need.
Often the people that contributed to the acquisition and preservation of such properties moved on or died. Some leaving no family behind to benefit.
However, in the 70's and 80's with the proliferation of Television, combined with upward mobility of the brothers, and increased knowledge, humility begin to take a back seat.
Pastors who understood business, began to see the functional relationship of well designed programs, praise teams, and comfortable clean sanctuaries to church growth. Implicitly, they would begin to draw converts away from the neighboring churches increasing and improving their local talent pool.
Their ego's began thriving off the praise and compliments they received. They began to hunger for more, they absorbed the teachings of the prosperity evangelist, and assumed ownership of the related fringe benefits coming from growing contributions and growing treasuries. They modified their personal lifestyles to reflect their perceived success.
This present condition we find ourselves in brings to mind the words of Nathan the prophet as he interrogates David about his sin with Batsheba, as the Holy Ghost had given him discernment.
"What do you make of a man who steals the only yew of man who only has one, while he yet possesses so many of his own?"
The biblical principle in effect here is the prideful thinking that idle collateral(Yew of others) should be placed into good use (with FTC's yews,) because I deserve it!
THEN THE FALL
Once pride sets in the obvious is then masked. The failure to consider real estate market conditions and economic downturns exposed the flaw in this leaders thought process. This is no little matter. Nor a minor oversight. It clearly exposes not just sin, but the inferior business acumen of this man. Lest we forget of the perils of HP, Circuit City, GM and others.
The apostle Peter(SV) took his eyes off Jesus ever so briefly and soon began to sink. After that he saw that he was walking on water(largest facility in AA,) then the Lord seeing his eyes move away from Him (administrative error), he then allowed him to "Lean on his own understanding" (Erase, Erase, smudge, erase) Now this poorly timed business decision, is revealed for us all to see.
There is good reason, why (FTC) needs this collateral at this time, the leadership team of (FTC) grossly underestimated the cost of this project, underestimated the pressure of market forces on property values, under estimated economic pressures on FTC income. Considering by his own admission that many of his members where in Real Estate themselves, he should have anticipated the effects on his personal economy.
This mess only proves that God's Word is true. And the cycle of pride before the fall rears it's ugly head so that another generation can witness failure. We should never praise fallible men or their accomplishments above the power of the one that permits prosperity.
God never desired Solomon's temple that was Solomon's desire.
Solomon's desires became insatiable, hence a 1000 attempts to satisfy his lusts. All in vein, as he compromised his values to attain yet more. Soon he would divide what God had freely given to Israel, and his tribe would be dispersed until this day.
Our country is slipping in values, our leadership is exposing its weak underbelly, our schools train our kids in choice, 52% of this once God fearing nation is now athiest. The world at its core is ripe for true deceitful leadership.
@Mundo
So you are now truly lost, Despite knowing the truth you have blindly followed an organization that wrongly teaches the trinity. It seems to me that you rely on others to teach the word, but the bible says to study, which I know for a fact you don't. AA may have all its faults but its doctrine is sound.
Business as usual,
Great post !
Words that make one think about the current state of The Church.
@Business
What baloney! You romanticize the good ol' days as if these were perfect men. Yes, they were 'humble' because they were poor migrants. But lots of them were also machistas whose wives were submissive servants who weren't allow to study, learn English or get a job. Do you really want us to back to that?
Also, weren't some of you making fun of Valverde for selling oranges door to door? I guess "his" type of "humble" didn't pass muster with you.
Sammy Bamma is not the first Rat the AA has had, nor will he be the last.
Fortino should kick Sammy and Rachele out. If dirt comes out on other GB members so what.
Name one Bishop that doesn't have dirt on him.
They didn't receive the Bishops position by being holy.
Probaby more than half the Pastors have dirt on them also.
So Fortino just kick them out.
Sammy was a big Rat took lots and lots of cheese to catch him.
Rachel loves that cheese too!
I ment to say I SAN ANTONE am an idiot, Alright.
One more point. The vast majority of economists, analysts, politicians, etc, didn't see the economic downturn coming. What about all the hermanos that lost their homes to foreclosure? Are they sinners too? Your desire to blame Valverde for the economic downturn is downright stunning and sad. You are also willfully taking scripture out of context to fit your agenda. Come off your high horse. You also gonna blame Valverde for global warming and war with Iran? HAHAHAHA
Pastors, you that labor and work hard with no recognition, May God continue to open doors and prosper your congregation.
I want to apologize to all the saints that have worked so hard to help build and continue to carry the true message of the Gospel.
!!God is your reward!!!
To those that allow, consent and suck dry innocent people... you will pay... for what you reap is what you sow.
Hacking emails ... no wonder you won the lawsuit..since you had illegally without permission taken what does not belong or pertain to you. Even worse include your wife and kids to do evil to gain a building?
All of the people that have been crushed and damaged with no remorse.
All for Money...Fame...and Greed.
What's in it for you?
God will not be mocked Samuel Valverde.
I pray Bishop Joe Aguilar from Merced finds the truth and allows God to work in him and pursues Justice.
Javier....Knock it off already!!!
Dear ex bishop Sam Valverde,
Paz de Cristo!
Can you explain why you took $1,000,000.00 million dollars from a small little church with facilities that need upgrade so bad.
You took it without the Pastor's permission. Isn't that stealing?
The Dictionary defines Larceny as follows: Using a trick, such as lying, to get possession of property is larceny. Larceny by trick is descriptive of the method used to obtain possession.
QUESTIONS:
1.) Did you and your staff lie to Edward Pacheco that brother Arellano's couldn't be used as collateral?
2.) Did you tell Arellano that Corona church didn't qualify (playing both sides of the fence) for a loan?
3.) Who authorized you to use the San Jose church, if the pastor said no?
4.) Since the pastor of San Jose did not authorize any document, who "forged" the documents to reflect San Jose was on board?
5.) Did you "over-ride" the local pastor's authority and "strong arm" him into doing it?
6.)How did you take possession of the 1 million dollars if it was in the name of the Assembly, IE District bishop and the local pastor? Did you work something out between the treasure Maffey and bishop Lugo?
7.) Pastor Jimenez was not aware the money was gone until it was done. Why would you take the money from such a poor church with a small congregation in need?
This shows me a lack of character on your part and exposes you for who you really are!
A tyrant!
Is it possible that Bishop Baldemar knew that you would try to get a hold of this money. So he wisely made the amounts that he was turning over to the Assembly a public document for all to see.
Could that have been the snare that "gotcha". Is it possible that ex-bishop president actually set you up?
You probably would use that as an excuse because you will spin this one your way forever!
You should sell the building and pay back every cent of the $14,000,000.00 million so the liens are off of the poor churches properties
Then go back to renting an elementary school auditorium!
Some of you on this blog are trying to downplay what Valverde did as just a small deal.
My problem with what Valverde did is that it was done lying? That's crazy!
If this was done with any other church organization, Sam Valverde would be embarrassingly handcuffed and led away to prison.
...Given the financial nightmare and realities in which my Pastor Samuel Valverde leaves the Assembly on the "HOOK" it appears that the Assembly will have to file for Bankruptcy in the future given the amount of the millions of dollars in question...This will allow the Assembly to reorganize its financial obligations as a Corporation...
Due Process the problem with trying to sell the buildings ( Corona and Fontana ) is that due to the collapse of the real estate market commercial buildings as well went way down in price the real present value of the Fontana Church would be around 4-5 million and thats pushing it given the state of the economy and unleased commercial buildings in the area...
Let's bring back the days of .. "Let your yea be YEA, and your nay be NAY." And we all pray that the Lord moves upon brother Joe Aguilar for him to righteously execute and or propose for them (GB 8) to make the call to painfully vote and decide for removing SV from being the FTC pastor. All for their good and very obvious reasons that we ALL know that he could be brought to trial for ALL that he personally allowed to be done back during the DS years of presidency; some strongly suspect that he was the driving force and whispering voice behind DS' ears to remove bishops D. Salomon and B. Rodriguez from the AA. You see as most here have already pointed this out, those men stood in his way or were seen by him as his 2 biggest potential threats for him to become the next "Obispo Presidente."
Members keep your money in your pocket this Sunday or give to to sick or widows in your local church, I heard Jeff Aguilar threw out a widow sick woman along with her kics from where she was living in a trailor that is on the CT Houston church, And she had no job. Talk about compassion...it's just so pathetic that member still keep giving money to this organization and to the devils that led them.
Praise the Lord! I just wanted to say that this is only a scratch on the surface of what's been really going on throughout the Apostolic assembly. there are other pastors out there who take advantage of their congregation that need to be also investigated. I've seen churches where the brethren are barely making ends meet and are constantly told that if they don't give their tithes and offerings, they will be exempted from any pastoral counseling, or services when needed. They also employ family members and friends on the church salary when there isn't enough members to provide such a salary! I'm a life member of the assembly meaning that I was born and presented in the assembly, and have seen how much this once beautiful organization has fallen and continues to fall. We need to put a stop completely to all corruption in this organization and restructure everything to get this assembly back on it's feet, if the Lord permits it. Otherwise, let us all pray and fast that God has mercy on us all. God bless you all.
What can be said of a church organization if the leadership cannot correct issues for fear of someone exposing them about something. If this is the reason why the General Board either refuses or is forced not to make changes then they should step down. The assembly needs a complete overhaul otherwise the demise of an organization is sure to be the case.
Dear All,
It saddens me to read @mundo’s “testimony” about leaving the AA and going to Calvary Chapel (in CA). For those who do not know, Calvary Chapel is a TRINITARIAN church! How many members have not ran to these non-denominational churches and have forsaken their Pentecostal Oneness doctrine. Calvary, Cornerstone, The Rock, Saddleback, Abundant, etc… all Trinitarian churches (in CA). Yet, we see our beloved brethren flocking to these churches, unknowingly.
I agree with many of you that there has been A LOT of wrong doing in the AA (I have been here my whole life), but tell me which church (outside the AA) can actually stand clean and pure. Every church has it problem(s)… from serious ones as theft and sexual abuse to common issues as nepotism and narcissism. It’s the natural course of the church, because it’s operated by MAN. No church is perfect, but there is a true doctrine… our Pentecostal Oneness doctrine.
It is extremely difficult to find an adequate church outside the AA; trust me I’ve tried, for my own well-being. I live in California; now I can’t imagine how much more difficult it is to find one in a less populated area. Why not truly allow GOD to pass judgment on HIS OWN TIME and by HIS OWN WILL, and keep following our Oneness Doctrine?
Most of the comments I read here do MORE HARM to the swarm of needy souls, which read this blog, THAN GOOD and fail to affect some sort of change or reform against a body of corporate executives (GB). The money misappropriated was not ours to begin with, it is GOD’S! Let GOD handle the sin and the sinners and let us stop souring the spirits of our brothers and continue with His kingdom work.
This blog is a PLAGUE that infects the CANCER OF DOUBT into those of weak spirit. The rule of thumb should be that, although there is some truth in what is spoken here, it should be all be considered lies and slander, since there is no way to justify any allegations posted here. I heard, or he said, or I’m supposedly Bishop So and So does not cut it. READERS BEWARE! THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL REVEAL MORE TO YOU, THROUGH STEADFAST PRAYER, THAN ANY BLOGGER WILL.
May God Guide us ALL.
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