Wednesday, July 15, 2009

ABSOLUT APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY

Attention: Apostolic General Board ( I know you read this)

If you are disgusted at this blog, don’t be surprised. This is the type of Christian you have produced. You may have begun in the spirit, but you ended up in the flesh. I don’t care how many times you invoke the name of Jesus for your cause, your efforts are futile.

I hope you are proud at what you have created, a bunch of emotional misfits that could not exegete their way out of a paper bag. The only thing you have going for you are the remaining immigrants that could not think for themselves. This also will end. The influx of immigrants that you used to support your monetary gain has decreased. All you are is an organization without life, doctrine and truth.

You should have been more careful. You should have focused more on Christ, than your Assembly. Don’t try using Jesus for your cause now. We have seen that scheme and are aware of its motives.

You have become like Judas and become only aware of the “places” that Christ went but were unfamiliar with His “person”. You may have used the term “ Apostolic” but you were distant from its genuine message.

Don’t be surprised General Board.

You are reaping what you have sown.

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2010 said...

What's the matter? You think all Christians are just going to accept offensive comments? You make my day better and give me hope to live. haha! I've seen too many good people get hurt. I'm tired of it.

CBG..........or whatever your are controlling him.........maybe I am your hell.

cbg said...

KJ52, thank you for proving my point. As soon as ANYBODY attack you, maybe even with the truth, your mouth betrays you. My excuse for talking the way I do is I'M NOT A CHRISTIAN. But you??? Listen idiot, don't claim to be a christian if you're life, and words don't show it. You're nothing more than a pinchi hipocrita, cagado que se cree cristiano. Read the words of "Sola" whatever. At least he doesn't lose it like the rest of you pendejos. hahahahahahahah. Bunch of DUMB ASSES!!!!

2010 said...

hahaha of course your not! I wouldn't talk to one like this if they were. Wait you said you were going to hell and that you weren't a believer. Ok, take it up with him. My job is done! Sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs bite! haha!

Thanks again.
God Bless

2010 said...

what's the matter? can't sleep? you want me to read you a bed time story to you? hahaha! like your words hurt me.

fuego said...

KJ52: I tried to tell you in a past post.

"The devil will use any way he can and anyone who lets him to try and dissuade you from walking with God. Keep your eyes on the Master. You are here for a reason and God's purpose will fulfill itself in you, seeing as how it is He who has begun a good work in you. Stay in Father's will and don't be surprised or bothered by the attacks of those who do their father's will. They have been pre-ordained to their lot in life and their place in eternity."

I know you're one of Father's younger children with only three months of experience in this walk. Don't let the devil bait you into fighting on his level. Take your example from the way our Master handled him at the temptation out in the wilderness. He didn't use his opinion. He always came back with: "It is written." Also, know that if you have entered into Covenant with the Almighty, He's got your back. "If God be for us, who can be against us?" We have been given the power to tread on snakes and scorpions, but just like the way you had to train to become the soldier you were in the military, you must learn the discipline of spiritual warfare.

My brother, we have been given power in the spiritual dimension. We have no need to use the flesh. Live in the Spirit my young brother, and pay no mind to the flesh or that lying and accusing spirit that would try to make you believe you are not what God says you are.

It is written: "Submit yourself therefore unto God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you." You know why? Because when you learn to make war in the spiritual realm, all you need is to speak the word of faith. That is what the Master was talking about when He said, "You shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost has come upon you." That is the power He spoke of when He said, "Behold, I give you power over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall in any way hurt you."

Never argue with the devil. Learn to command him using the word. Every demon out there knows his place. That is part of what our Savior died and rose again to purchase for us. We are children of the King of all creation and it is our right, our duty, and our inheritance to grow up into His image.

Be blessed!

cbg said...

Hey KJ, yeah there is people who try to get on your nerve, but remember that is what the demon wants. You can do better and resist anyone where they will leave you alone.

I had a student's parent complain today about playing selected Christmas tunes that involved Christ for our Winter Concert. They were furious and left some distracting voice messages at my office. The dad showed up, shook his hand, and I introduced myself respectfully and believe me he calmed down his tone instantly. I spoke highly of his son, because he IS one of my best musicians I have in my band and he understood my situation. We finally came to an agreement upon our upcoming concert.

What would of happened if I told him to never to leave me a voicemail with foul language? If I yelled at him back and enjoyed it? It's not my job, but also my testimony. I found out this man was the Chairman of Midland Memorial Hospital, one of our hospitals in our area. What a horrible result without a fixed situation! Who am I to judge someone I don't know?

These people will do nothing but TRY to make life hard on you. God has these people to test you believe me I see them here in my town everywhere! But remember one thing, you have been given power over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall in any way hurt you.

Be nice! It will kill them!

cbg said...

Hey Fuego? What's your thoughts on spiritual warfare in the schools today?

Hit me up!

Thanks
GB

Fed up in San Diego said...

Can all you please stop with all the simpleton bickering and fighting?

Do you all understand that the reason for this blog is to talk about the injustices that are happening within our organization.
What ever happened to "Skotty will show you" or whatever his name was?

I want to bring forth a matter that I find very disturbing.

A Pastor and previous Anciano of the Southern CA District sent out a letter to the pastors of the San Diego Area in which he stated the reason he and his congregation (the second church of National City) are no longer in the AA as of this month.

He also included a copy of the letters he sent to the district bishop, none other that Dan Sanchez brother, John Sanchez. He also included the reply he got from them.

In his letter, he asked for 2months off (he had already set up a preaching schedule for his church with local ministers) due to health reasons.

The response from the District board was to remove him from his Church, told him to go somewhere else and pay tithes to the other church he would congregate at. Once he felt better and got a note from his doctor stating that he could return to his pastorate would they consider returning back his church.

Where is the sympathy? According to this pastor, the district board was covering themselves from any potential law suits in case he died. Is that crazy or what??

So this serves as a warning to all pastors. IF YOU ARE NOT WELL, DON'T LET YOUR BISHOP KNOW OR ELSE THEY MIGHT JUST TAKE YOUR CHURCH AWAY!

What happened to "let's pray brother for your healing and restoration. How can we help you?"

Does anyone else have a problem with this?

Unknown said...

2 months off? Thats not being sick. Thats an extended vacation. Paid by Los Hermanos. ALl that pastor had to do was to let the Assistant Pastor take a leading role.

Thats what Assistant Pastors are for.

If that is the truth, then you have a weak pastor.

. said...

To the blogger who said my name sounded like an std, that was really funny!
Well its actually very simple, its Apostolic backwards.
I did that because thats the condition of the Assembly. "Backwards"
Acts 2:38, is a remarkable scripture!
Sadly though, you wouldn't be able to defend your position even if your life depended on it.

. said...

usmc

look u pooper scooper! get off my blog! all you say is hog wash!
get back to the bunckers and stop wasting my tax dollars on useless internet blogs! you work for me punk!

san diego

the revolutionaries 4 nothing were a bunch of "hot shots"
hot today shot tomorrow!
they blew all the hot air they could but in the end were found lacking.
here is your options
leave the aa and find a place where they preach the word of God, or stay in the AA and gripe about everything till your bitter and in hell.
just know that the aa is sinking quicker than the Titanic!

1-love

. said...

san diego one more thing......

you should leave that church of yours because if thats the reason your pastor is leaving he's just as lame as the gb!

any real man of God would of left years ago!

mark my words! he'll start talking about the aa being an animal kingdom knowing he use to be all for it.

fuego said...

Shalom Sergio:

It's funny you should ask. I have a Junior in High School who is in band and looking forward to studying law at Texas Tech.

Today's young people live in a very unstable environment altogether. They are not shielded from the things that past generations were due to the easily accessible information at their disposal via any number of communications devices.

However, I see the way in which young people respond today to truth. I suppose it has always been so that the younger people are, the more idealistic they tend to be; but I think we need to be especially careful that we do not present young people with a hope that cannot be solidly anchored in truth.

God is preparing a generation of young people that is powerful and I believe that many of those young people will come not only from school but from broken homes, jails, reform schools and prisons. Sister Karen Wheaton is doing a tremendous job with just such a group of young people who have been rescued by God's grace at her group home down in Alabama.

I see a tremendous field of opportunity for harvest in today's chaotic world and especially in the Public School environment. After all, when God gets ready to move in a place, who is there that can stop him? I think the best thing we can do is pray that Father let loose the next dose of latter rain on these young ones and teach them by word and example that walking with God is the only way to spend this life.

There is a witness in my spirit that comes from searching the word that tells me we are on the verge of a new spiritual explosion such as the one that started the Azusa St Revival that came as a result of rediscovery of the importance and pertinence of the oneness precepts; the Apostolic Faith.

The difference is that this one will carry us into a new dimension of unity of faith and knowledge that will prepare us for what is coming. The signs are all present and the birth pangs are intensifying. We are at a time in the history of God's people when oil for our lamps will be the deciding factor as to whether we ascend to the next level of understanding or remain behind even as those who refused to believe did when God revealed the truth of the Apostolic Faith at the turn of the 20th century.

And just so there is no misunderstanding on the part of those who think the Apostolic Faith refers to an organization, it doesn't. We speak of the One Faith authored and finished by God alone.

cbg said...

Texas Tech baby! That's right, Red Raider fans!

I agree! It's tough being a kid in school than ever before. We need to have knowledge of the word with a solid foundation. These kids know so much than we did when we were. I do see great potential in the youth of today. People in the world are searching for satisfaction in their lives. A huge explosion will come from the heavens and I pray that we are filled with his spirit. Thank for your input!

cbg said...

To KJ52, Midland Apostolic.
Hey you know somewhat of the language below right? I had to learn when I was in college.

المتأنق ، هل رأيت أي عناكب الجمل عندما كنت فيها في العراق؟ لقد اثنين في منزلي ، وكنت أرغب في التخلي عنهم. ابن عمي جلبت لهم عندما كنت في الجيش. هناك صعبة جدا!

بارك الله فيكم!
God Bless!

2010 said...

haha! I'm learning it right now!

Yeah they freak me out. I tend to stay away from those. They are deadly! I saw many of them about a year ago.

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Unknown said...

FYI If anyone is in the OC tomorrow, Rev. Richard Ricardo Avalos Maffey has court at the Harbor Justice Center. 8:30am

The_End_is_Near said...

Just heard through the grapevine that Hoyer gave the axe to the Selma Church.
Going to close it down.
Beware and lock your doors if you hear that Hoyer is paying you a visit.
You might jsut get the AXE 2

Apostolicowboy said...

Who in the world is hoyer? And where is selma? Who is the pastor there?


let me guess..money problems?


the aa is taking steps backwards...

Sanchez must be loosing his mind...

Apostolicowboy said...

So what's the verdict on this maffey character?

The_End_is_Near said...

Bishop Augie Hoyer from the Central North District in Calif.
Selma is a city south of Fresno Calif.
Yep you got it MONEY problems.

Money problems probably cause the Pastor. Bro. Bob don't do anything and is has lost members left and right.

Apostolicowboy said...

Observe "don't know and all you who care...--- How the aa is responding to a pastor in a small town of selma in need of help.

Sounds like the aa is going to shut down all these little churches and sell thier properties. Properties that were bought with hard labour and sweat from the struggling migrating brethren. Shut it down. Who cares about the hermanos feelings. Make everyone go to hoyer's church.
Instead of the aa stepping in and offering the selma church resources and money so they can reach the lost. They see it as a ATM and when the well runs dry they bury it. Instead of investing in it and digging deeper for fresh water.

!!!!YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS EXPLOSION IN FRESNO...WHILE THE AA IS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN CHURCHES... GOD IS MOVING... IT IS NOT ABOUT MONEY BUT THE OUTPOURING OF THE HOLY GHOST AND TRANSFORMATION OF LIVES!!!!! These families are getting together and making things happen. God will PROVIDE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Odk__d7Q5o

fuego said...

To all those who love the Lord and call themselves Apostolics.

There is no easy way to say this, and my heart means you no offense. But unless we realize what is happening, those of you who have been liberated from captivity to a denomination will only go forth to repeat the same mistake.

The crumbling of denominational walls is in acceleration mode. Do not think that this is something man has wrought. How can the body of Christ reach the unity of the faith if it is trapped behind walls that men create to promote their own agenda instead of God's? It won't be long before we start to see the cracks appear in other denominations as well. In some, it will be money and greed. In others, it will be apostasy to such a degree that they welcome abomination in their midst.

Don't be surprised by the breakup of something God did not create! He has never created an organization or a religion. This faith is an individual thing and our position in the Body of Christ does not depend upon belonging to any man-made organization. We are part of each other when we become members of his body through the new birth in water and Spirit.

God is calling out a new generation because a greater move is on the way. We need to get away from that organizational mentality that says, "unless you belong to our organization, you are not Christ's." Some of those who came out, or were thrown out, have already started another organization similar to the one they came out of. Even though they were warned about it, some of the leaders of it, who are now in JEFE positions, went right ahead and jumped right back into the frying pan because they saw this as an opportunity to build something from the ruins of the organization they came out of.

They refuse to even try to understand what God is doing because the lure of the hierarchical structure is greater than their love for God and his people. God has not called us to take dominion over one another in hierarchical manner.

Should we not congregate then? Yes we must, but we must not fetter ourselves with men's restraints. God has already provided a way for us to function as his body in his word. It is time to "stare into the torch that burns in a dark place" and see the real structure Father has given to the Body of Christ.

Let us then quit depending on men and start depending on the Spirit of Truth who lives within us to guide us into all truth. We can either place our trust in him and be blessed, or place our trust in man and be cursed even as Jer. 17:5says. We have the more sure word of prophecy ever before us. Let us no longer neglect it.

Peace and Blessings to Body of Called Out Ones who will be part of this coming move of God.

fuego said...

Justice?

To answer you in the same way you have responded would make me a carnalon like you. You think more of yourself than you should and that makes you arrogant. You think you can assail anyone because you hide behind a psuedonym.

But you live in the flesh and for the flesh because you speak in the flesh, therefore, if you are an example of what the AWA is about, I close my case.

Keep on playing church and thinking you can use your mouth to curse anyone who disagrees with you. You know that worldly saying "what goes around comes around?" Let me let you in on a little secret: It comes from the Bible passage that says, "whatsoever you sow that you shall also reap."

You are sowing curses with your mouth and they will hunt you down in every aspect of your life, because God is not mocked. You may think you're exempt from these things, but you're not. You are one of two kinds of people in your position: 1) You are simply religious and not a child of God at all. That makes you a tare 2)You are a child of disobedience. That makes you eligible for the wrath of God.

I would rather that you be the latter because the former has no hope at all. If you are a child of disobedience, I can at least pray that Father's discipline bring you wisdom. If you are a tare, it is highly unlikely that you will ever find the narrow door.

In any case, Father's will is not that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance, so I pray that Father give you the opportunity to do so. Now, the rest is in his hands. If you persist in going the way you are, you will remember me sooner than later, but it may be in a place you never wanted to go to.

Repent or perish!

lito said...

hola mis hermanitos??!!!

lito said...

la unica iglesia apostolica es "iglesia apostolica catolica romana".
la unica iglesia que CRISTO fundo sobre la roca anguar JESUCRISTO mismo. Toda la HONRRA y GLORIA POR LOS SIGLOS DE LOS SIGLOS POR SIEMPRE, AMEN. GLORIA AL PADRE, GLORIA A EL HIJO Y AL ESPIRITU SANTO, AMEN.

lito said...

LA UNICA IGLESIA, NO CORPORACION RELIGIOSA, QUE DIOS MISMO LA SOSTIENE CON SU GRACIA, Y DIVINA PROVIDENCIA. LA UNICA IGLESIA QUE ATRAVES DE LOS SIGLOS A SUFRIDO GRANDES DIVICIONES, PERO, DIOS CON SU PODER LA HA SOSTENIDO ALRREDEDOR DEL MUNDO.

UN FILIGRES COMENTABA EN SU CONFECION QUE SE SENTIA DEFRAUDADO DE SU IGLESIA Y CREDO CATOLICO, POR TANTOS COMENTARIOS MALOS QUE SE ESCUCHABAN......... YO LE CONTESTE, JESUCRISTO "FUNDO" SU IGLESIA EN LO MAS PECAMINOSO Y FRAGIL DEL MUNDO, EN EL SER HUMANO. CRISTO MISMO SABIA QUE LOS HUMANOS LE HIBAMOS A FALLAR TODOS LOS DIAS, PERO EL TODAVIA NO SE ARREPIENTE DE LA HUMANIDAD DE LA CUAL EL CREO. UNA HUMANIDAD SUCIA Y LLENA DE MALICIA Y PECADO.

AMIGOS, JESUCRISTO LES AMA MUCHO MAS DE LO QUE OS IMAGINAIS.
ESTE DOMINGO ASISTAN A MISA.

lito said...

DESAFORTUNADAMENTE, A MUCHOS DE USDS.QUE SE CREARON SUPUESTAMENTE APOSTOLICOS, LES INFUNDIERON QUE SE DEVE ODIAR Y ABORRECER A LOS CATOLICOS, PUES LES ENCENARON QUE LOS CATOLICOS SON DEL DIABLO.

MUCHOS DE USTDS.POR LO MENOS EN CALIFORNIA SON 2A, O 3A, O 4A
GENERACION DE HISPANOS EN U.S.A. LO CUAL ENCENA QUE IGNORAN SUS PRINCIPIOS CULTURALES DE LOS CUALES SON LO QUE SON HASTA EL MOMENTO.

HAY UN TRANSFONDO CULTURAL E HISTORIAL DEL CUAL SE TIENE QUE CONOCER.

lito said...

DESAFORTUNADAMENTE, A MUCHOS DE USDS.QUE SE CREARON SUPUESTAMENTE APOSTOLICOS, LES INFUNDIERON QUE SE DEVE ODIAR Y ABORRECER A LOS CATOLICOS, PUES LES ENCENARON QUE LOS CATOLICOS SON DEL DIABLO.

MUCHOS DE USTDS.POR LO MENOS EN CALIFORNIA SON 2A, O 3A, O 4A
GENERACION DE HISPANOS EN U.S.A. LO CUAL ENCENA QUE IGNORAN SUS PRINCIPIOS CULTURALES DE LOS CUALES SON LO QUE SON HASTA EL MOMENTO.

HAY UN TRANSFONDO CULTURAL E HISTORIAL DEL CUAL SE TIENE QUE CONOCER.

lito said...

SATANAS TIENE LA TAREA Y FACULTAD DE DIVIDIR LA HUMANIDAD EN ESTE MUNDO. A JESUCRISTO LE INTERESA QUE SU PUEBLO SEA "UNO" . EL MISMO LO DIJO, "PADRE QUE SEAN UNO" HABLANDO EN SU PUEBLO ESPIRITUAL, EN LA UNIDAD DE FE. UN SOLO PUEBLO.

GLORIA AL PADRE, GLORIA AL HIJO Y AL ESPIRITU SANTO. AMEN

lito said...

NO SE QUIEN SEA EL DUENO DE ESTE BLOG O QUIEN LO MONITOREA PERO,,, AQUI SE LEEN COMENTARIOS MUY PELELES, Y FALTOS DE CORDURA CRISTIANA. ESPERO QUE SI ALGUNO RETA-CONTEST MIS COMENTARIOS LO HAGA CON SABIDURIA Y CORDURA.
GLORIA AL PADRE, GLORIA AL HIJO Y AL ESPIRITU SANTO. AMEN.

fuego said...

Lito, ¿conoces tú el origen verdadero de tu propia organización? Me imagino que si. ¿Sabes tú que el pacto que Dios ha hecho desde los tiempos antiguos no es con una institución greca romana fundada por un adorador del dios del sol quien sustituyera la Pascua del Señor por una fiesta llamada Easter que se celebraba en honor a la diosa Astarté; conocida también como Artemisa en Grecia y Semiramis en la Babilonia? ¿Sabes tú que por eso celebran ustedes y todos los engañados el tal Easter con huevos de color y conejos; porque esos son los símbolos de fertilidad con los cuales se celebraba la fiesta de esta misma diosa conocida en Éfeso como Diana de los efesios?

El tiempo de engañar a los santos se pasó ya y no es que odiemos a los pobres engañados que están atrapados en tú organización, la cual se hace pasar por lo que nunca jamás será. Pero conscientes estamos de la inquisición y las muchas muertes que tu organización ha causado y perpetrado en nombre de Dios.

Y aunque crujas los dientes contra nosotros, el pacto hecho por Dios es con las casas de Israel y Judá. (Jer. 31:31) (Heb. 8:8) Así que tu organización creada por Constantino con su liturgia de hombre y mandamientos torcidos está fuera del pacto y no tiene parte ni suerte con Dios. Pueden arrodillarse cuantas veces quieran a la estatua de "la reina del cielo" (concepto que adoptaron de la Babilonia) pero nosotros tenemos pacto con el Eterno por la sangre del Cordero y un solo mediador entre Dios y nosotros, Yahshúa HaMashiaj el hombre. Sé que pensaron destruir las raíces hebreas de la fe verdadera cuando usurparon el liderazgo del movimiento mesiánico en 325 AD en su Concilio de Nicea, pero el Todopoderoso preservó la verdad en la Escritura que ustedes trataron de manipular a su favor.

Así que sigue tu camino lobo rapaz, que aquí no tienes parte ni suerte a no sea que con los disolutos e inconstantes. Si estos te siguen, mejorará la viña. En cuanto a lo que toca a los santos que en verdad lo son, el Señor te reprenda por tratar de atraparlos con tu sutileza. ¿Que tiene que ver la luz con las tinieblas? ¿O quieres que te saque más de tus trapitos al sol?

lito said...

LA SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA CATOLICA ROMANA NO ES UNA ORGANIZASION, ES LA "UNICA" IGLESIA SANTA QUE CRISTO FUNDO SOBRE LA ROCA ANGULAR QUE ES JESUCRISTO MISMO.

DE QUE LA SANTA IGLESIA A TRAVES DE LOS SIGLOS A SIDO ATROPELLADA POR POR SITUASIONES EMBARAZOSAS ESO NO SE PUEDE NEGAR JAMAS, PERO LA IGLESIA SIGUE SU RUMBO AL BLANCO QUE ES CRISTO. PARA PODER LLEGAR A ESE BLANCO SE NECESITA COMETER MUCHOS YERROS Y QUE GRAVES, NO LO CREEIS????. RECORDEMOS QUE CRISTO FUNDO SU IGLESIA EN EL SER MAS PODRIDO DEL MUNDO, LOS HUMANOS, COMO USTED Y YO.

lito said...

AMIGO "FUEGO", NO QUIERAS DARME INFINITO HISTORIAL Y TEOLOGIA, NO TE EMOCIONES, NI MUCHO MENOS PIERDAS LOS ESTRIBOS, PUES DE ESO NO SE TRATA.

LA MISMA HISTORIA DE LA HUMANIDAD ESTA VIVA EN LOS SUCESOS DE LA IGLESIA DE CRISTO. TODOS LOS SUCESOS EN LA HISTORIA TUVIERON EL BENEPLACITO DE NUESTRO DIOS TODO PODEROSO, EL CUAL APROBO LOS TALES.
CONOCEMOS MUY BIEN LA HISTORIA EN LA CUAL ESTAMOS TODOS PISANDO. PERO DIOS QUE ES TAN GRANDE E INFINITO EN MISERICORDIA, TODOS LOS DIAS NOS DA LA OPORTUNIDAD DE ACERCARNOS A EL. NO LO CREES??? POR LO MENOS EN ESO ESTAMOS DE ACUERDO,,, NO??
SI TE PREOCUPAS EN SACAR TRAPOS, COMO VOS HABEIS DICHO,,, PUES NUNCA ACAVARAS, Y QUIZAS TE VAS A AMRGARGR LA VIDA. RECUERDA QUE DIOS ES AMOR.

GLORIA AL PADRE, GLORIA AL HIJO, Y AL ESPIRITU SANTO. AMEN.

fuego said...

Lito,

Cuentaselo a quien te lo crea. La documentacion de la creacion de tu organizacion esta disponible en linea para quienes deseen buscar.

Y en cuanto al hombre, no has leido que "el hombre fue hecho a la imagen y semejanza de Dios?" Castigado ha sido por su error y redimido por la sangre del Cordero. Errais cuando niegas la justicia que esa sangre imputa al hombre. O que acaso no sabes que " al que no conocio pecado, lo hizo El pecado a fin de que nosotros fueramos hechos las justicia de Dios en El?" Que poco sabes de la gracia de Dios. Eso es porque la manera en que a ustedes los guardan cautivos es hacerles siempre sentirse lo mas vil del mundo. Pero no has entendido que "justificados pues por la fe tenemos paz para con Dios por medio de Nuestro Senor Yahshua HaMashiaj." Tu iglesia no la fundo El Maestro. Es solo una religion como las muchas que hay en el mundo. Careces de conocimiento en cuanto a lo que significa, "Un Senor, Una Fe y Un bautizmo." Vuestro creador fue quien propago la blasfemia de la trinidad y nego lo que dice la Escritura en Deut 6:4, "Shema Yisrael, YHVH Eloheinu, YHVH Ejad." "Oye Israel, YHVH Nuestro Dios, YHVH Uno Es."

No trates de excusar las obras de tu religion como "errores." Fue un error el cambio de los mandamientos de Dios por vuestras propias doctrinas? O fue un error el perseguir a los judios en todas las tierras donde han tenido dominio ustedes? Fue un error el que sacaran el cuerpo de John Wycliffe de su sepultura para quemar sus huesos por el odio que le tenian por haber traducido la Biblia al ingles? Y que de los pobres que torturaron Torquemada y sus achichicles bajo la autoridad del Vaticano? Errores? No, mas bien fueron hechos de una religion sangrienta que quizo apagar todo conocimiento de aquello que le descubriria su verdadera identidad. Cuando me compruebes la manera en que ustedes tienen pacto con Dios, entonces quizas considerare que hay algo de verdad en lo que dices. Mientras tanto, tu religion no tiene nada en diferente a la religion Musulmana, Hindu, o Mormona. Todas son ideologias de hombre.

lito said...

SOLAMENTE UN DETALLE TEOLOGICO;

MAS BIEN, JESUS NUESTRO SENOR PASO POR LA MUERTE: SU CUERPO HUMANO FUE TRANSFORMADO EN UN CUERPO GLORIFICADO. JESUS, COMO SER HUMANO, FUE LIBERADO DE LOS "LIMITES" DEL "ESPACIO" Y DEL "TIEMPO".

fuego said...

Teologico?

Dime pues, Si el Hijo fue engendrado por la tercera persona de la trinidad, porque llama Padre a la primera persona?

lito said...

QUERIDO FUEGO PARECE SER QUE VOS SOYS HEBREO. DISPENSADME SI VOS ESTAIS OFENDIDOS.NO ES MI INTENCION.

EL ECHO DE QUE HAYAS SIDO REDIMIDO POR LA GRACIA NO QUIERE DECIR QUE YA HABEIS SIDO SALVO. LA SALVASION NO ES GARANTIZADA QUERIDO AMIGO, USTED TIENE QUE EJERCERLA TODOS LOS DIAS. PARECE SER QUE USTD. YA TIENE SU SALVACION GARANTIZADA. ENTRE MAS GRACIA RECIVAIS, MUCHO MAS AGRADECIDO DEVERIAS DE ESTAR, CON JESUCRISTO,PUES NO ERES MEJOR QUE TU PROJIMO. NO TE JACTES POR SER UNITARIO (DOCTINA UNICIDAD). EL GRAN MISTERIO DE LA GRACIA EN QUE DIOS SE MANIFESTO AL MUNDO COMO PADRE , HIJO, Y ESPIRITU SANTO.

lito said...

QUERIDO FUEGO, SE VE QUE ESTAS LLENO Y DOTADO DE INFORMACION EN TEOLOGIA LIBERAL COMO EL PHD Y DOCTORADOS, Y QUIZA DOCTRINAS MASONICAS. TE GUSTA ALEGAR MUCHO Y AFERRARTE CON LA ILUMINASION DEL ESPIRITU SANTO.

PARECE SER QUE TU ERES UNO DE LOS ERUDITOS DE TU SECTA.

EL PADRE, EL HIJO, Y ESPIRITU SANTO SON EL MISMO "DIOS"
GLORIA AL PADRE, GLORIA AL HIJO Y AL ESPIRITU SANTO. AMEN.

lito said...

FUEGO, JESUS DIJO "YO Y EL PADRE UNA MISMA COSA SOMOS". EL "ES" EL DIOS TODO PODEROSO, SUPREMO REY DEL HUNIVERSO, POR LOS SIGLOS DE LOS SIGLOS, AMEN.

fuego said...

Lito,

Y si estas cosas sabes, porque sigues promoviendo una religion donde no es acepto lo que me acabas de decir? No crees tu que Dios nos llama a salir de entre la mentira?

lito said...

AMIGO FUEGO, TIENEIS UN GRAN PROBLEMA VOS, ADJUNTO CON SUS SECTAS PROTESTANTES.

EN CUANTO ME INDENTIFIQUE COMO APOSTOLICO CATOLICO ROMANO, ME EMPESASTE A ATACAR. ESA ES LA ESTRATEGIA DE VOS.

CREEIS QUE VOS SOYS LOS "UNICOS" SALVOS, PUES NO LO ES ASI. DISE LA ESCRITURA "HASTA QUE LLEGUEIS AL PLENO CONOCIMIENTO DE LA VERDAD".
CONSTANTEMENTE DIOS EN SU PLAN DE GRACIA ANADE A SUS HIJOS.
DESAFORTUNADAMENTE POR LOS SUCESOS HISTORICOS EN LA HUMANIDAD, A MI IGLESIA LE LLAMAN LA RAMERA, COSA QUE SE MENSIONA POR FALTA DE ENTENDIMIENTO. PERO EN FIN, RECUERDA QUE EN EL ASUNTO RELIGIOSO, POLITICO, ECONOMICO, SIEMPRE HABRA "SPECIAL INTEREST".

lito said...

FUEGO, YO NO CONOSCO TU BACKGROUND SI FUISTE CATOLICO O NO.

CUANDO FUE LA ULTIMA VEZ QUE ASISTISTE A MISA???

fuego said...

Dices que me gusta alegar mucho y aferrame con la iluminacion del Espiritu Santo. Lo cierto es que estoy puesto para contender eficazmente por la fe que fue una vez entregada a los santos. Esto me lo requiere la Escritura. (Jud.1:3)

En cuanto a doctrinas masonicas, no me hacen falta. Mi doctrina viene de la palabra del Altisimo y mi guiaza viene del Espiritu de Verdad desde que crei lo que me fue dicho, "El os guiara a toda verdad."
No me siento mejor que mi projimo, pero no ignoro las filosofias y huecas sutilezas con las cuales la religion que promueves cautivo desde un principio a los inconstantes.

Yo se lo que significa "no tenemos lucha contra carne ni sangre sino contra principados y potestades." No podemos aliarnos con la mentira y adorar enEspiritu y en Verdad.

Por lo cual escrito esta: "Escojed hoy a quien sirvais."

fuego said...

Mira Lito,

Si supieras el verdadero plan de Dios para su pueblo, y si conocieras en verdad las raices de la fe unica, pararias de inmediato de promover una religion. Dios no ha creado religiones. Dios opera por medio de pactos y solo el que esta en pacto con Dios tiene relacion con El. Si eres sincero, busca la verdad. No la hallaras en ninguna secta ni denominacion. Te recomiendo que vayas directamente al Creador del cielo y la tierra y le preguntes si lo que te digo es verdad. El no necesita de padrinos porque es el Dios vivo y real. Si estas dispuesto a creer en El como dice la Escritura, hallaras que no hace falta la religion. Es una relacion personal la que Dios busca con el ser humano. Como desearia que tu corazon fuera sincero y que lo hicieras. Sabrias que mi celo es por mi Dios y por su pueblo, y no por una secta o religion. Cuando desees, podemos tratar con la palabra sin mezclar ideologias religiosas formuladas por el hombre. Sobre todo sabe que si tu corazon es sincero para con el Eterno, mi voluntad es la de El. "Que ninguno se pierda, sino que todos procedamos al arrepentimiento."

lito said...

FUEGO, TE HAS PUESTO A PENSAR COMO DIOS TIENE PLANEADO SALVAR A LA HUMANIDAD? DIRAS PUES DIOS YA MURIO EN LA CRUZ DEL CALVARIO??? YA NO HAY MAS SACRIFICIO POR HACER POR LA TAL.

TE HAS PUESTO A PENSAR CUANTOS MENSAJES DE INTERPRETACION TEOLOGICA EN CUANTO A LA SALVACION DE LA HUMANIDAD HAY EN EL MUNDO??? COMO MIRA DIOS ESAS INTERPRETACIONES TEOLOGICAS??? SUPUETAMENTE TODOS SALVAN. HAS ANALIZADO TAL PREGUNTAS???

lito said...

BUENAS NOCHES, YA SE TERMINO MI TIEMPO Y MI CAFE, ES HORA DE DORMIR.
HASTA PRONTO. CHIAO....

fuego said...

Lito,
Las sigo analizando a la luz de la Escritura cada dia. Pero se que hay una sola fe porque me lo dice la palabra de Dios y en El no mudanza ni sombra de variacion. Me he tomado el tiempo, porque este es mi gozo, de aprender a trazar bien la palabra de verdad a fin de mostrarme aprobado al que me llamo a esta caminata con El. No que lo haya hecho yo de mi mismo, sino que la gracia de Dios, obrando en mi, me ha preparado para desempenar mi parte dentro del cuerpo de Cristo, el cual es compuesto por todos aquellos quienes obedecen a la fe de la cual Dios es el Autor y Consumador.

fuego said...

Hasta luego!

what is going to happen next said...

I was listening to a commentary about Jim Jones recently and I was thinking as I heard it that there is great similarity with the tragedy he caused and the atrocities Sanchez and his group have committed. The commentary stated the Jim Jones's mentality was that if he didn't win, no one else was going to win! Isn't that ironic! Wow!

fuego said...

To What is going to happen next:

I commend you on making an important observation. Jim Jones was the head of a hierarchical organization where the people depended upon their "leaders" to "show" them the way. Now, if you'll just compare his organizational structure to every denominational structure out there, you'll find there is no difference. Even when the congregations are autonomous, the internal structure of those congregations is still based on a clergy/laity ideal. That means that the people are basically dependent upon the "clergy" to define their faith for them. But God has called us to a personal relationship with himself and anytime we put someone between ourselves and him, we defeat the very purpose of the New Covenant or New Testament as the KJV calls it.

The problem with a "democratic" style religious organization is that it must have politics involved. Sooner or later, a group of slick politicians will gain control of it and they will do whatever they have to to stay in control. We need to face facts. There is no way to build a "world style" religious corporation without removing the very essence of what we are supposed to be from our endeavor. It really is time to consider more carefully the form that God has given to his Body of Called Out Ones in his word.

The ability to see the differences between what he established and a man-made religious organization will help us to keep from making the same mistake again. God bless those who have been liberated from that prison. May they look to him only for relief from their feelings of betrayal. Let us trust him and draw closer to him while this passes over. (Psa 57)

Apostolicowboy said...

Observe "don't know and all you who care...--- How the aa is responding to a pastor in a small town of selma in need of help.

Sounds like the aa is going to shut down all these little churches and sell thier properties. Properties that were bought with hard labour and sweat from the struggling migrating brethren. Shut it down. Who cares about the hermanos feelings. Make everyone go to hoyer's church.
Instead of the aa stepping in and offering the selma church resources and money so they can reach the lost. They see it as a ATM and when the well runs dry they bury it. Instead of investing in it and digging deeper for fresh water.

!!!!YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS EXPLOSION IN FRESNO...WHILE THE AA IS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN CHURCHES... GOD IS MOVING... IT IS NOT ABOUT MONEY BUT THE OUTPOURING OF THE HOLY GHOST AND TRANSFORMATION OF LIVES!!!!! These families are getting together and making things happen. God will PROVIDE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Odk__d7Q5o

Apostolicowboy said...

Observe "don't know and all you who care...--- How the aa is responding to a pastor in a small town of selma in need of help.

Sounds like the aa is going to shut down all these little churches and sell thier properties. Properties that were bought with hard labour and sweat from the struggling migrating brethren. Shut it down. Who cares about the hermanos feelings. Make everyone go to hoyer's church.
Instead of the aa stepping in and offering the selma church resources and money so they can reach the lost. They see it as a ATM and when the well runs dry they bury it. Instead of investing in it and digging deeper for fresh water.

!!!!YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS EXPLOSION IN FRESNO...WHILE THE AA IS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN CHURCHES... GOD IS MOVING... IT IS NOT ABOUT MONEY BUT THE OUTPOURING OF THE HOLY GHOST AND TRANSFORMATION OF LIVES!!!!! These families are getting together and making things happen. God will PROVIDE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Odk__d7Q5o

lito said...

hola soldadito de plomo "usmc"

"RELAX" amigo, "RELAXXXXXXX"

lito said...

recuarda amigo unos de los mandamientos de "DIOS", amaras a tu projimo como a ti "MISMO". cuando habla la palabra "MISMO" habla de uno mismo. en otras palabras te habla a ti mismo. recuerda que todos pecaron, "TODOS" pecaron y estan destituidos de la precensia de DIOS.

Parece ser que tu quieres "venganza", pero ese deceo se te ha echo "personal" y te estas amargando la vida en algo que si tu no tienes que ver nada.

mi consejo es que mejor te pongas a rezar por el y por su familia.

lito said...

en el nombre del padre del hijo y del espiritu santo, AMEN.

fuego said...

Lito,Lito,Lito:

Ponte a estudiar para que aprendas a trazar bien la palabra de verdad.

Acaso no habeis leido, "Justificados pues por la fe tenemos paz para con Dios por medio de Nuestro Senor Yahshua el Mesias?"

A quienes son dirigidos los mandamientos que acabas de pronunciar? Sera a los que estan destituidos de la presencia de Dios? Acaso el segundo madamiento real acercara al pecador a Dios con amar a su projimo? Donde dejamos pues el primer mandamiento? "Amaras a tu Dios."

Usas tu tiempo para tratar de enderezar a un inconstante que solo piensa en el odio y ni tu mismo conoces el orden propio de los preceptos de Dios.

Lito, primero saca la viga de tu propio ojo, luego veras para ayudar a otros. Dime, puedes decir con toda seguridad que si hoy mismo te murieras estarias en el paraiso? Me puedes decir con toda seguridad que sabes a donde vas al morir? O esperas poder ganar bastantes puntos para poder entrar al cielo?

Ay Lito, tu intencion es quizas buena, pero careces de entendimiento porque te aferras a tu religion.

lito said...

hola amiguito fuego, como esta?

lito said...

amigo fuego, no porque cite algo del antiguo testamento, no quiere decir que esta fuera del contexto celestial y que nos habla DIOS por medio de su palabra, no lo cree???

fuego said...

Lito,

Al contrario, "Toda Escritura es inspirada por Dios y buena para instruir, corregir, e instituir..."

Eso dicho, Los preceptos de Dios tienen un orden y no puedes decirle a un pecador que no conoce a Dios que ame a su projimo para que se salve. Para esto, hace falta primero el arrepentimiento.

lito said...

amigo fuego , yo estoy tratando de ser un buen seguidor de CRISTO. devemos de amar a nuestros enemigos.
si mi PADRE CELESTIAL me llamase a la heternidad esta noche, el que seguramente va a decidir cual va a ser mi destino heterno sera mi CREADOR. por lo tanto ahora trato de ser un buen seguidor de CRISTO, apesar de mis flaquezas. Como lo vez????
Amigo fuego, si tu fueras DIOS, como me juzgarias?????

lito said...

pues, amigo fuego, no crees que hay que persuadir al soldado USMC , para que se convierta a JESUCRISTO?????

Pero desafortunadamente, este blog
es un asco en palabrotas, chismes, y que chismes, tonteras.

el pobre soldado aqui puede ser evangelizado y convertido para ser un buen soldado de JESUCRISTO, no lo crees???

fuego said...

Lito,

Si yo fuera Dios, te juzgaria necesitado y con temor de creer. Por lo tanto, te daria oportunidades de que oigas la verdad para que tu corazon que me busca hallara el verdadero reposo en mi sin dudas.

lito said...

gloria al padre , gloria al hijo, y al espiritu santo. amen

lito said...

fuego, quieres decir que crees en el purgatorio?????

fuego said...

Si, lo se. Pero el problema es que no se puede conversar en verdad con alguien que vive y piensa en la carne.

fuego said...

Yo creer en el purgatorio? No!

lito said...

amigo fuego muchas de los filigreses que asisten a iglesias protestantes estan confundidos en su FE.
la razon, por falta de liturgia. El apostol SAN PABLO lo trato en una de sus epistolas, "TODO DESENTEMENTE Y EN ORDEN", hablando pues en el deglosamiento de la liturgia y otros temas de doctrina. TU que crees?

fuego said...

Claro esta que el orden que debe haber es conforme al orden prescrito por la fe y la fe tiene sus preceptos ya determinados.

lito said...

amigo fuego, te dejo pues tengo que repararme, pues salgo para latinoamerica a un congreso ecumenico y regreso el primero de noviembre, DIOS los BENDIGA.
en el nombre del PADRE del HIJO y del ESPIRITU SANTO. AMEN lito+++

fuego said...

A Dios Lito. Cuidate y hablaremos despues si asi lo dispone el Senor.

cbg said...

Oye lito yo soy catolico, pero despues de leer tus conversaciones tontas con fuego, se me hace que mejor le creo a el. El tiene mas sentido que tu.

Tu hablas mucho, pero no dices nada. Fuego yo creo que tu si sabes lo que dices. Dime mas por favor, tus palabras calman mi alma.

fuego said...

CBG: Gracias por considerar mis palabras.

Te dire primeramente que nada de lo concerniente a Dios, que en verdad lo es, tiene que ver con religiones de hombres. La palabra religion significa "volver a ligar." Siendo que el hombre se desligo de su Dios al principio en el huerto, hay gran diferencia entre los metodos que el hombre usa para tratar de religarse a Dios y la manera en que Dios ha prescrito para religar al hombre a si mismo.

Hay dos Testamentos o Pactos mayores en la Biblia. Uno es el Antiguo y otro es el Nuevo. Ambos nos suplen de informacion, pero solo el Nuevo nos corresponde a los creyentes de hoy.

Be Wise: Know your history! said...

To all bloggers:

Fuego you and What will happen next., You both take diligently time to write and do great Biblical research., Thank you.....its great.

All is good what Fuego works so diligently and What will happen next.

But we need to know the history of the AA and especially of the derivitated organizations that have evolved from the AA and La Iglesia de Mexico!

This all started with Cain and Abel and with Jacob and Esau and with Isaac and Ismael and with all the rest of the 7 sons Abraham with the woman he married after Sarai died.

So what promotes this behavior?
Satan, flesh, and Narsissistic Personality Disorders!!!

With the AA and La Iglesia it started with Nava and Rivas.

They were pals, comrades and Rivas gave Nava, false credentials that had no value in Mx., nor in the USA!

But during the 30's having some form of ID. in writing gave alot of power, control and munipulation.

La Iglesia de Mx., had already dealt with Samuel Joaquin who left the Iglesia Apostolica de Mexico and "formed" his own organization.,
'LA LUZ DEL MUNDO"., One of the fastest growing Latino organizations in the USA and Latin America.

La luz del mundo is a monarchy. That is EXACTLY what Nava and Rivas wanted for themselves!!!

But there were several educated men like Navarro, Martinez, C. Leyba, Hermosillo and Bernardo Hernandez, the first Secretary., who pressured Nava to 'ALLOW' elections., stating that the USA required a President of any NON profit Organization to be an American Citizien.

Well that "severed and broke the chains." That had been done all in the NAME OF GOD AND "OBTAINING THE CITIZENSHIP TO HEAVEN" WITH THE ONLY CHURCHES THAT WERE THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCHES., THE BRIDE OF THE LORD:
La Asamblea Apostolica de la Fe en Cristo Jesus Incorporada and La Iglesia Apostolica de Mexico!

E. Valverde introduced La desclalificadora, that was the noose that lynched him. years later when Efrain "attempted to subject Nava and put Nava in his Place.

But both Nava and Rivas, "had allowed elections., Nava refusing to be citizen of the USA , which was "just a piece of pie" in those years. Because Nava had alot of properites in Mx., and there was no "dual citizenship" in those years.,
So Nava chose "his properties"., so what.... he could "still control".
E, Valverde sure 'FOUND OUT' AND ALL THE VALVERDES AND PACHECOS LEFT WITH E. VALVERDE WITH A "BIG DIVISION.


It was so difficult for any one else to be president in both organiztions, because it required a special permit from Nava and Rivas to even 'MOVE A CHAIR'!!!

And the Pastors, Bishops "BETTER" DANCE TO THE BEAT OF THEIR DRUM OF OUT...LIKE E. VALVERDE.

(to be continued next blog).

fuego said...

To: Be wise,know your history,

Thank you for some very pertinent history. This fills in a lot of blanks concerning the trajectory of the AA in the U.S. and Mexico.

I knew E. Valverde well and was aware of his being "excommunicated" from the AA because he spoke of it in his messages and in our conversations.

This, however, puts it more into perspective. I know several of the descendants of Antonio Nava as well, but not as well as I do the Valverdes.

fuego said...

All in all, however, the history of these organizations does much to support what I believe. That there is no organization formed with man-made principles that will be able to function without corruption sooner or later showing up in it. Something to think about!

Be Wise: Know your history! said...

So then what?

Well so all this was a "learned behavior" from Nava and Rivas.

Sanchez, etc., all appears to have
Narcissistic Personality Disorders:

This disorder, according to the book of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Discorders: DSM, from the AMERICAN PSYCHIATIC ASSOCIATION

STATES:

The disorder is much more common in males than in females.

Prevalence. Estimates of the prevalence of Antisocial Personality Disorder for American Men.

The disorder is more common in LOWER-CLASS POPULATIONS, partly because it is associated with IMPAIRED EARNING CAPACITY AND PARTLY BECAUSE FATHERS OF THOSE WITH THE DISORDER FREQUENTLY HAVE THE DISORDER THEMSELVES, AND CONSEQUENTLY THEIR CHILDREN GROW UP IN IMPOVERISHED HOMES.

By definition the disorder of Narcissistic Personality begins for males in early childhood.


It is as follows.

A. Grandiose sense of SELF IMPORTANCE OR UNIQUENESS.,
example (e. g.) exaggerations of achievements and talents., focus on the special nature of one's problems.

B. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, and control and munipulation of others.

C. Exhibitionism: The person requires CONSTANT ATTENTION AND ADMIRATION!

D. Cool indifference or marked feelings of rage, inferiority, shame, humiliation, or emptiness in response to criticism, INDIFFERENCE OF OTHERS OR DEFEAT!!!

l.) Entitlement: expectation of special favors , surprised and anger that people will not do what he wants.

2) interpersonal exploitativeness: taking advantage of others to INDULGE OWN DESIRE OR FOR SELF -AGGRANDIZEMENT;
DISREGARD FOR THE PERSONAL INTEGRITY AND "RIGHTS OF OTHERS".

3)Lack of empathy, inability to recogtnize how others feel.

Almost invariably there is markedly impaired capacity to sustain lasting, close, warm and responsible relationships with family and friends and their marriage partners, relationship is also impaired.

Impairment:

The disorder is often extremely incapacitating, resulting in failure to become an independent, "SELF SUPPORTING ADULT" and in many years of instituttionalization.

For individuals who have these features of the Narcissistic
Personality disorder it is very difficult for them to become "self sufficient" and therefore usually interferes with "educational achievement" and prohibits them to get good careers.

If they do presue an education later on in their adult life they do it at the "expense of other persons."


Their behavior
Includes habitual lying, cheating,and fails to accept social norms.





Sounds familiar? Does this go on and on with your surrounding Board or Directors. Is it an never ending "job" for all of your congregations to sustain and give and give to these never ending money and power lovers.


Yes the Pastors, and Bishops are still very scared.

You join the other derivites of the AA and its still power and glory.

Need counseling and therapy before they die or explode!



We can hear the clock ticking.


If there was prayer they would not 'ALLOW NOR PERMIT" the adulation and the gifts and the forever increase of more and more money.

Its a severe Mental Disorder that also borders:

Borderline personality disorder:

Impulsivity, or unpredictability that are potentially self damaging.

Making shifts of attitude, idealization, devaluation, manuipulation, CONSISTENTLY USING OTHERS FOR ONE'S OWN ENDS.

Using the Dorcas to always raise monies for the Flor Azul, refinancing and selling of smaller church properties.


Bishops and Pastors and more and more demands of honors, glory, and special days to honor them, never ending building funds.

Self Narcissistic

God have mercy!

Preach all you want to do but get to the "real distorts of their disordered personalities.

For goodness sakes wake up.
In Jesus Name!

fuego said...

So you have shrunk the heads of the AA, Huh? :)

I'll leave you to your task of deciding which came first; the chicken or the egg. I think you'll find that in the end, only one thing will count. Are you washed in the blood and are you walking with God?

I would like to share a piece of advice with you before leaving: If you waste your time trying to figure out why people do what they do, you'll not have time to "work out your own salvation."

Whatever they do will not hurt or help your relationship with God, and that, is what really counts.

Peace

Flashback said...

Be wise,
Not all the Valverdes nor the Pachechos left. That is why we have so many problems in the AA today.

fuego said...

It is as Lord Acton, the English moralist and historian said:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

"Great" of course, is defined in this case by the world's standards.

That is just the way of the world. Compromise, intrigue, and politics are absolutely necessary for "success" in the world paradigm. They are the means by which the ends are reached. Form a "church" according to the principles of the world and these things will always play a major role no matter who is "in charge."

There is a universe of difference between the world paradigm and the paradigm formed by the precepts of the One Faith, but as long as people keep trying to make a steak out of a bone, they will only succeed in wasting their time fighting for something non-existent in an arena where only the biggest, fiercest, hungriest, and meanest dogs are going to possess that bone. And you expect to find genuine faith, love and fellowship within that arena?

Let's face it: The Bible clearly shows us that the Body of Christ works together for the good of one another and for the carrying out of the purpose to which God has called it.

What organized religion has done for these many centuries, beginning in Rome, is to foment competition from the greatest of its members to its smallest, and competition creates division. "A kingdom divided cannot stand."

So don't be surprised by what you see happening in the denominational world. Just know that this is a sign of worse things to come. The paradigm that gave birth to denominationalism is crumbling and those who have placed their hope in it are angry, confused, and feeling betrayed. They have a choice: strike back and fight for an illusion, or get real with God and get ready to move forward.

To those of you who do, you will look back and find that this is one of the best things that could have happened to you. Maybe not right away, but you will.

lito said...

hola amigos, les habla lito desde colombia, un saludo a mis hermanos alejados de la SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA.

lito said...

amigos, comensamos un dia de congreso espectacular donde muchos protestantes asistieron al catecismo para continuar sus sacramentos.

muchas de estas personas comentan de que estan cansadas de ir a las iglesia protestantes, pues les piden dinero (ofrendas y mas ofrendas) y sus liturgias no tienen sentido, pues son cultos o servicios emocionales donde juejan con el "holygost" y nada mas.

los congresos ecumenicos estan funcionando con grande exito en el trabajo apostolico para la iglesia de jesucristo. VIVA CRISTO REY

Be Wise: Know your history! said...

Fuego:

Sure you and everyone of us is concerned on our Salvation, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

In response to the Jews and Gentiles gathered in the Day of Pentecost, according to Acts 2.
The Apostle Peter was asked by those witnessing the Power of the Holy Spirit.


And since you reminded me on working toward "my salvation".

I respond to you.
THAT TRULY I HAVE "OBEYED" YOU AND HAVE READ THE FOLLOWING:


Hechos 2:37-
Entonces oido esto, fueron compungidos de corazon, y dijeron a Pedro y a los"otros" apostoles:
Varones hermanos, ?que haremos?

38- Y Pedro les dice: Arrepentios, y bauticese cada uno de vosotros en el nombre de Jesucristo "para "perdon de los pecados; y recibireis el don del Espiritu Santo.--

Hechos 8:14-- Y los apostoles que estaban en Jerusalem, habiendo oido que Samaria habia recibido la palabra de Dios, les enviaron a Pedro y a Juan:

15-Los cuales venidos, oraron por ellos, para que recibiesen el Espiritu Santo;

16- Porque aun no habia descendido sobre ninguno de ellos , mas solamente eran bautizados EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUS.

17-ENTONCES LE IMPUSIERON LAS MANOS,y recibieron el Espiritu Santo.

18-Y como vio Simon que por la imposicion de las manos de los Apostoles se daba el Espiritu Santo, les "OFRECIO DINERO,"

19-Diciendo: Dadme tambien a mi esta potestad, que a cualquiera que pusiere las manos encima, reciba e Espiritu Santo.

20 Entonces Pedro le dijo:

Tu "DINERO PEREZCA CONTIGO, QUE PIENSAS EN EL DON DE DIOS SE 'GANA POR DINERO".

21- No tienes tu parte ni suerte en este negocio:
Porque tu corazon no es recto delante de Dios.

22-Arrepientete pues de esta tu maldad, y ruega a Dios, si quizas te sera perdonado el 'PENSAMIENTO DE TU CORAZON.

23- PORQUE EN HIEL DE AMARGURA Y EN PRISION DE MALDAD VEO QUE ESTAS.


( TO BE CONTINUED )....NEXT BLOG

Be Wise: Know your history! said...

To Fuego:

I truly appreciate your knowledge of the word of God and your concern over the AA and its derivatives!
Thank you very much.

Because I personally know that it takes God's anointing to write as you do.

But my dear sister in the Lord:

It is true that we have to be concerned on "our salvation and the salvation of others"

And I have done as the Bible states as far as how the Apostles baptized, after Peter was "'FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT".

But now going to the issue that prevails us the Division of the AA and the new AWA>

How can we that have "studied" intensively on "Psychological Personality Disorders in the Clergy" Not alert others to do their "own research".

It is up to us to make the members of the AA and AWA and others as the UPC and all the Jesus Name organizations that are in these blogs, to make them aware of these individuals.

That is definately a Dysfuntual and Personality Disorder condition that 'MUST BE RECOGNIZED"
and "ADDRESSED".

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

In order to have these individuals receive help from a Christian Clinical Therapist.
(They must themselves recognize their condition, and search help from God and Professional Counselors,
Not like the likes of
Obispo Juan Sanchez, brother of D. Sanchez.

That "self made" counselor did not even graduate from High School.!

There are numerous Christian Agencies that work through prayer and counseling to Clergy that are suffering immensely from these Disorders.

We as members of such churches, must recognize and alarm the members of such a condition that has not only surfaced, but "exploded" right in our faces of an acute PERSONALITY DISORDER, that has been "accepted" as part of the "anointed men of God".

We must for the sake of those Clergy, whom some call "GREAT MEN", but in reality are "SELF MADE" TRYANTS who exploit other Pastors, Bishops and members to the extreme of their monies, for the "self gratification" of their deviate needs to spend and live in
conditions that 'NEVER WOULD HAVE THOSE MEN ACQUIRED',

Because of not being educated nor prepared to obtain such employments as CEO in any structured profession which gives them the MEGA SALARIES THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM THE hierarchy they have formed.

(All in the name of religion and God and issuing out certificates of salvation.

This is why they Lord has spitted them out of HIS MOUTH!

This is just the beginning.
It will explode very soon.

Its happening all over again.
More and more and more monies.

It is certainly a Psychotic disorder and extremely 'EGO CENTRIC."

If it recognized by the AA member and the clergy. These inviduals will lose their power to control and munipulate.

Someone mentioned two days ago of the Jim Jones cult. It started small and he fooled and murdered masses of people.

God forbid, that the mentality of the remaining clergy and members reaches these extremes.!

The Neurosis and neurotic process and unconscious perception will become more evident and it will result in more horrific personality disturbances.

These individuals must pray to God or the same thing will happen to them as Simon,whose only religion was 'MONEY, MONEY AND MORE MONEY!

The church of the Lord and His Kingdom will prevail.

In Jesus Name.

With these sick individuals calling themselves clergy who are continuing to refinance, sell and dispose of the hard earned church properties.

May the Lord have mercy on Us!

Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all His righteousness and everything else shall be added unto you.

Pray and ask God for Mercy on the churches the Bride of the Lord.

Be Wise: Know your history! said...

Lito :::::
Eres tu miembro de la Iglesia Apostolica Catolica Romana,cuyo Papa esta en Roma?

No hay otra organizacion en el mundo que saque "mas y mas dinero a los feligreses como esa Religion!

Para bautizmos de ninos,para catecismo, para funerales, para bodas, para sacar del purgatorio, para vinos para mas misas que tambien cuestan muchisimo dinero!

Que estas pensando?

La Iglesia catolica prohibe el casamiento de los sacerdotes, porque no quiere problemas con Propiedad de bienes y derechos, de en caso de los herederos de los curas?

Todas las cadenas de rosarios, de velas, de idolos y imagenes de palo y fiero que tienen para sacar mas dinero a los pobres.

Donde estas tu metido en tu cabesa?

Lee la Biblia, arrepientete y se bautizado como manda la Santa Palabra de Dios en Hechos 2:38 y Hechos 8.

Sed salvo de esta perversa generacion.

Que Dios te bendiga y te ilumine de leer la Biblia.

Cristo es solo el que Salva, y no ninguna Iglesia ni tampoco ninguna hombre!

Cristo solo salva.

cbg said...

Lito ya callate por favor. Mientras mas hablas mas metes la pata en la boca. Saca la cabeza de tu cola y salte de la ramera iglesia catolica mientras puedas. No sea que estes agusto alli con lo que en realidad hacen los sacerdotes.

Hmmmm, cuantos anos tienes lito? 16, 18, 20 hmmmmm. Porque estas tan agusto con tanta jotolidad. Dumb ass!

Flashback said...

Anybody have a count of how many churhes Sanchez and his Locksmith Gang have shutdown so far. The book of acts should read now, "They didn't cease in changing locks on churches, throwing Pastors out, violating the constitution, lying, slandering, refinancing churches without the consent or knowledge of the members, praying and fasting to select people to positions all over the organization, collecting flor azul monies, and shutting down churches in all the districts in the AA." Acts 28:32 (Sanchez and band of Crooks version)

fuego said...

The henhouse (really a foxhouse in disguise) created by a fox architect, requires that only foxes be in charge of it. Now, after the hens are plump, the foxes remove their disguise and begin the systematic harvest of the profit from their endeavor. The chickens can cluck and raise all kinds of scandal, but the foxes are collecting what was theirs all along. Foxes are clever politicians. The chickens are just food to them.

Here's where we decide whether to respond in a worldly manner or to start believing the truth. Don't worry about what you have lost, be glad for what you have gained! Let the foxes be foxes. They too have their time appointed for judgment.

Let us remember to "remain free in the liberty with which Christ has made us free; and return not to the yoke of bondage."

Stay away from religious organizations and learn to think as those who have been called to a personal relationship with God. Get with your Bible and fellowship with your God on a one to one basis. He will bring you into fellowship with others like you but not to form more man-made organizations.

gunter said...

It would be cool to put a clock counter just like the national debt clock but insteand of going down it should go up so that way we can keep track of all those churches that are being shutdown.

Talk about conspiracy. Wow.

lito said...

hemanitos de la fe les habla lito, desde Peru.un abrazo a todos ustedes.

queridos amigos algunos de usds. necesitan rezar a DIOS para que les de un corazon mas puro, pues la palabra nos dice que " DE LA ABUNDANCIA DEL CORAZON HABLA LA BOCA"

se necesita confesar los pecados para tener una firme conciensia de nuestra FE. recordemos LO que dijo San Pablo, "" confesaos vuestros pecados (ofensas) los unos a los otros""

muchos de usds. desafortunadamente no tienen prinsipios eticos cristianos y ni siquiera los conocen, solamente se toman el blog para defender sus propios egos de estudios huecos que ninguna autoridad ecclesiastica los apoya. se imaginan que estan bien en su unisidad y el mentado holygost, pero de esas emociones psicologicas nunca saldran.

si se pretendiera tener conocimiento teologico como lo pretenden, ya tubieran un espacio en las universidades como yale teological chapter, como oxford teology chapter en Inglaterra.

sus fundamentos ciegos fueron fundados por personas analfabetas como NAVA, RIVAS, LLORENTE, Y otros que provaron de la miel norteamericana por los anos 1920'S y decidieron formar movimientos de lo cual ni ellos comprendian lo que estaban formando o queriendo formar. el equivalente es gente revelde ante DIOS y contumaz, y que son ciegos pues de muchos liderez que tienen no sale ninguno,
pues todos son unas CALABAZAS que hablan y caminan.

lito said...

hemanitos de la fe les habla lito, desde Peru.un abrazo a todos ustedes.

queridos amigos algunos de usds. necesitan rezar a DIOS para que les de un corazon mas puro, pues la palabra nos dice que " DE LA ABUNDANCIA DEL CORAZON HABLA LA BOCA"

se necesita confesar los pecados para tener una firme conciensia de nuestra FE. recordemos LO que dijo San Pablo, "" confesaos vuestros pecados (ofensas) los unos a los otros""

muchos de usds. desafortunadamente no tienen prinsipios eticos cristianos y ni siquiera los conocen, solamente se toman el blog para defender sus propios egos de estudios huecos que ninguna autoridad ecclesiastica los apoya. se imaginan que estan bien en su unisidad y el mentado holygost, pero de esas emociones psicologicas nunca saldran.

si se pretendiera tener conocimiento teologico como lo pretenden, ya tubieran un espacio en las universidades como yale teological chapter, como oxford teology chapter en Inglaterra.

sus fundamentos ciegos fueron fundados por personas analfabetas como NAVA, RIVAS, LLORENTE, Y otros que provaron de la miel norteamericana por los anos 1920'S y decidieron formar movimientos de lo cual ni ellos comprendian lo que estaban formando o queriendo formar. el equivalente es gente revelde ante DIOS y contumaz, y que son ciegos pues de muchos liderez que tienen no sale ninguno,
pues todos son unas CALABAZAS que hablan y caminan.

fuego said...

Lito o sea Lobo,

Porque vienes asalatando a los que ni invitacion te han hecho a que te presentes? Acaso crees que porque estas reunido con tu companeros disolutos puedes echar en cima los pencos?

Asi quieria verte en tu estado natural; como el hijo de la bestia que eres. Estos son tus verdaderos colores. A poco crees que porque tu madre ramera tiene cabida en las universidades que mencionas, tiene cabida en la familia de Dios?

Ve a preguntarle a tu padre Constantino, que fue quien te engendro, como le ha ido todos estos siglos en el infierno por ser autor de la Operacion de Error que es tu organizacion. Pensaron usurpar la fe, pero el Autor y Consumador de esta fe los puso para trampa de los inconstantes y disolutos. Asi que no vengas por aqui con abrazos para luego tratar de oprimir a los hermanos con tus huecas sutilezas y vanas filosofias. El Senor te reprenda!

lito said...

amigo fuego, parece ser que usted pertenece al templo de fontana, ca. "fuente de vida" donde el pastor Valberde predica casi y similarmente como usted escribe sus respuestas en este blog con apodo "fuego".

Vos parece estar emocionados e iracundos llenos de ravia. Pues haci es como el pastor de la tal expresa sus exposiciones.
solamente les digo la verdad, o no la es????
como habre dicho antes, la historia ya paso y el futuro prosige su rumbo, pero la IGLESIA SANTA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA espera la venida de JESUCRISTO para darle la REVERENCIA que se merece.

En el nombre del padre del hijo y del espiritu santo, AMEN

fuego said...

En primer lugar Lobo, Yo no soy amigo de ningun demonio. Ahora ya desenmascarado, te quieres pasar de listo ensalzando a tu guarida de demonios que vos llamais iglesia. Que cosa reina entre ustedes sino la intriga, la politica, el homosexualismo, y la mentira? De donde aprendieron las denominaciones Protestantes las mentiras que predican como doctrina de Dios sino de ustedes quienes torcieron las Escrituras a su convenencia.

Te arde por saber quien soy y echas de manotadas en lo oscuro. Dejame decirte esto: Yo no soy Protestante. Yo no tengo cosa alguna que protestar. Los que protestaron durante la Reforma fueron aquellos quienes buscaban hacer de la puerca un cordero. Jamas entendieron que estaban atrapados entre la cizana hasta que tuvieron que salir de entre ustedes. Aun asi, se han pasado siglos mientras llegaba la generacion que habria de desechar todo rastro de la inquidad que tu padre el diablo sembro entre el trigo.
Yo soy miembro de esa generacion. A mi no me hallaras mezclado entre organizaciones religiosas porque yo se a quien he creido y estoy en pacto con el dueno de la mies. A mi no me son extranas las palabras, "os doy poder sobre todo el poder del enemigo." Tu esperanza morira contigo porque es una esperanza fundada en la mentira. El titulo de tu iglesia proyecta una cosa, pero como tumba blanqueada, esta llena de huesos de muerto y de suciedad. No vengas parandote el cuello de ser trigo cuando tu fruto es de la cizana.

Yo no me debo a ninguna religion. Que te urge tanto saber de donde procedo es evidente. Pero solo te dire que el tiempo de ustedes esta a la puerta. Se acerca el momento de pagar por toda la sangre que han derramado en la tierra. En tus palabras has pronunciado blasfemia contra el Espiritu Santo de Dios a quien pretendes honrar dicendo , "el mentado holygost." Como bestia bruta te has atrapado tu mismo hablando blafemia contra cosas que no comprendes. Tu mente carnal no puede comprender lo que no es de la carne porque es insuficiente para entender las cosas espirituales. Bola de hipocritas! Despues de que vieron que el hablar en lenguas atraia a la gente, empezaron ustedes mismos su movimiento disque "carismatico" el cual es nada mas para que no se les valla la gente.

No te preocupes, no estoy airado ni rabioso, sino que mis palabras te dan donde duele porque son verdad. Anda, junta la demas cizana para que descienda ya el fuego que ha de quemarlos a ti y a todos los que son como tu. Dios no hace acepcion de personas. Crees que tus santos de barro y tus cruces de madera te salvaran, pero yo vengo a decirte que tu recompensa viene ya cercas. Y ahora, retirate de entre nosotros. Este no es asunto de palabras sino de poder. Baruch Hashem YHVH

Flashback said...

Looks like little lito found out who Fuego is. I thought the same thing. That is funny and entertaining. Seems that Fuego forgot everything he said before about love and the Holy Spirit. LOL Now Lito, he is a basket case for sure. He is so blind he couldn't hit the wall of a barn with a baseball if he was standing inside the barn. Mi Lito, tu lo has dicho. En "el" nombre. Cual es "el" nombre, no "los" nombres, del padre, el hijo y del espiritu santo? Ademas, sabías que si blasfemas contra el espiritu santo, ni el Papa de Roma te podra quitar los golpes que Dios te va ha dar. Mas vale que pongas cuchillo a tu gargantita. No le hagas caso a Fuego. El se escapó del manicomio de Fontana. Chao

Flashback said...

Fuegito,
Tu tambien tienes idolos. Tu eres tu propio idolo. Te gusta escucharte hablar. Narcista de primera clase. Lol

cbg said...

Ay lito, sacate la cabeza de la cola y porfavor abre tus ojos ciegos. La iglesia ROMANA CATOLICA esta bien representada en la bilbia. Solo lee apocalipsis 17 y alli la encuentras. Ahora tu comentari soble el "mentado holyghost" hijole, ni yo que soy iracundo me expreso asi del espiritu de Dios. cuidate por ahi viene el fuego. Y no estoy hablando del blog. Dumb Ass!

fuego said...

Flashback:

I rejoice at your words. I am in good company. This is the way the Pharisees reacted to my Master as well.

Joh 8:48 Respondieron entonces los Judíos, y dijéronle: ¿No decimos bien nosotros, que tú eres Samaritano, y tienes demonio?

Wasn't Narcissus the subject of a Greek fable? That tells me your psychobabble comes from precepts formed by Greek fables. "Where your treasure is, there is your heart also." You and Lito are definitely cut from the same cloth.

As for my understanding of love and the Holy Spirit, tell me how much love was the Master exhibiting when he took a cord to the moneychangers in the temple? How much love was Peter showing when he pronounced a death sentence on Annanias and Sapphira? How much love was Paul giving to Elimas when he struck him blind for obstructing the true Gospel? And how much love does he show when he says. "If anyone preaches a Gospel different than the one you have heard from me, let him be accursed (anathema)."

Mira Flashback, (oh, isn't that a term used for a condition produced by the use of psychodelic drugs?)estas atrapado en un nivel que paso hace cien anos porque prefieres tu psychobbable al estudio de la Escritura.

Dices que yo sali del manicomio de Fontana porque deseas maldecir a los que ahi se congregan. Yo no los conozco, ni se quienes sean. Yo vivo muy lejos de ahi.
Pero si te digo que hace muchos anos que escape de ese manicomio de la relgion organizada por el hombre. Por lo cual yo no tengo porque pelear dinero y propiedades como tu. Eso significa que tu aun estas en el manicomio y solo los locos permanecen en un manicomio. En tu condicion espiritual, eres buena compania para Lito.

Anonymous said...

WOW Fuego !

Again my brother you hit another home run !

I like the way you defend yourself and admire your zeal.

Keep on contending for the faith mi hermano.

Flashback said...

Tranquilo Fuego,
Parece que tan prendieron una mecha en el trasero! Se te nota lo amargadito que estás. Con razón ya te trae el famoso lito. Ya no hayas que hacer con él y empiezas a maldecir a medio mundo. Necesitas un toque del Espiritu Santo. Como causas risa. No sabes ni que crees. Chao

lito said...

hola mis hermanitos, les habla LITO, espero no ser una pesadilla para ustedes.

Parece ser que le dimos en la cabeza de a un celoso iracundo mentado "fuego"que de tanta ira que tiene esta perdiendo la cabeza.

tu enfoque o tu blanco NO tiene fundamento, tienes doctrina y filosofia que no tiene fundamentos, no es reconocida en absoluto. Hablas por tus propios intereses personales, hablas como si tienes mucho que perder, como "poder" , "dinero" , " status" entre los tuyos", como que quieres puestos de poder y reconocimiento, que se yo.
parece ser que estas desesperado, pobre perro ravioso, tu mismo te has tragado el veneno de tus supuetamente fundadores, y la ravia se te metio hasta los huesos. Desafortunadamente cuando el perro tiene ravia, aunque este bonito o gracioso, se tiene que dormir, pues contagea a los demas. Asi lo eres mi querido projimo. Se humilde y aprende desde abajo, desde los peldanos de abajo, para que seas grande y tus subditos "filigreses" te tengan respeto. pues a lo que veo en tus comentarios del blog te respaldan solo unos tres gatos, que se relamben con tu "fuego". Como lo dices tu "que la sangre de JESUCRITO" me cubra de ti perro ravioso enganador de los deviles. Y que EL DIOS todo poderoso te reprenda, y la PROVIDENCIA me cubra de tus ataques personales.

Quien te crees que eres, yo creo que ni tu mismo sabe quien eres y supuetamente TU CREES que sabes a donde vas.
Te escribo de esta manera, pues asi vos me retachais los comentarios de vos.
De cualesquier manera, DIOS que te BENDIGA, y muy en especial a tu congregasion, pues de seguro TU,TU eres DUENO Y SENOR de los tales.
POBRE LOCO.

lito said...

FUEGO, SI DICES QUE TU DOCTRINA SALVA,? Y SI TU MOVIMIENTO DE "SALVASION" SURGIO EN LOS ANOS 1920'S???, ENTONCES LA HUMANIDAD ANTERIOR COMO SERA SALVA?? NO HABIA SALVASION ANTES DE TU DENOMINACION??
USDS. VAN A SER RESPONSABLES DE TODA LA HUMANIDAD ANTERIOR DE 1920,S. PORQUE A LO QUE SE VE ESTAN CONDENADOS.

EXPLICAME EN TU SINTESIS TEOLOGICO LA METODOLIGIA DE SALVASION PARA EL MUNDO ANTES DE TUS FUNDADORES APOSTOLICOS. PORQUE A LO QUE VEO SI NO SE ACEPTA TU TEOLOGIA "TODOS" ESTAMOS PERDIDOS.

"PORFAVOR ILUMINAME"

unhe2 said...

lito, lito lobo, lobito que quemon te llevaste, me recuardas a un tal Saulo de Tarzo, ojala terminases igual que el, pero para eso necesitas que te tumben de tu bestia. God Bless you Fuego.

Flashback said...

Parece que aquí el quemadito fue el fuegito! Fuegito está un tanto apagadito! Fuegito ya se confundió todito. Lito siempre ha estado confundidito, pero Dios lo bendiga y lo despierte. No hay que condenarlo. Hay que orar por él.

lito said...

senores no se crean del supuestamente 'FUEGO'. EL TIPO ES SOLO UNA LLAMARADA DE PETATE. COMO SE DISE EN MEXICO, POR LOS RUMBOS DEL SUR. YO CREO QUE EL SR.FUEGO NO SABE COMO ARDER ANTE EL PETATE Y NI LO CONOCE.

fuego said...

Flashback: me das impresion de que eres un loco sacando la lengua por la cerca del manicomio y haciendo "la la la" porque otro loco como tu te cayo en gracia. Tu eres de los de Lito. Anda te manda llamar la ramera; la ama del manicomio.

Lito Loco: No tuviste mas que descubrirte para que te vieran mis hermanos que en verdad lo son. Asi te quieria ver echando espuma por la mucha ira que te causa que te digan la verdad.

Tus maldiciones rebotan contra mi escudo porque El que me llamo, tambien me santifico, y me lleno de Su Espiritu para hacer guerra contra los demonios como el que te trae bien poseido a ti.

Pero basta ya de palabras. En que basas tu salvacion? La sangre que pretendes invocar la rechazas con tu doctrina erronea de la trinidad que invento tu padre Constantino y sus achichincles. Crees tu que te escaparas de la ira venidera? No sabes tu que escrito esta, "Primeramente Dios Veraz y todo hombre mentiroso?" Desde luego que no. Ahora, pretendes tu maldecir lo que Dios ha bendecido? Si oiste bien! Porque todo aquel que invoca el nombre que es sobre todo nombre para su salvacion es heredero y coheredero con el que derramo su sangre para salvarnos. Tus maldiciones se disipan en el aire porque Dios es nuestro amparo y fortaleza. Apoco no habeis leido, "Porque todos los que estan EN Cristo de Cristo estais revestidos." "Ciertamente la simiente de Abraham sois y herederos de las promesas." Tu y tus disolutos no califican para esto porque no saben ni lo que quiere decir ya que no se encuentra en vuestro catechismo. Sabes tu cual es la promesa que me llena de gozo al momento? La que dice a los hijos del Altisimo, "Bendicire al que te bendijere y maldicire al que te maldijere." Asi que siguete echando maldicion en cima.

No lo creeras pero lo veras. No sabes tu incircunciso de corazon que escrito esta, "el que os toca, toca la nina de mi ojo." Y eso lo dice nuestro Padre a sus hijos que en verdad lo son. Tu y los disolutos que te acompanan son nada mas que wannabes. Siguele echando al morral! Tus dardos no tienen potestad contra mi escudo. Pero si quieres, te doy a probar mas de mi espada.

En primer lugar, quien te dijo a ti que eras sacerdote? Seria el enawallon mayor que los controla a todos ustedes? Porque no fue el Altisimo. El nos dice a nosotros, "Vosotros sois linage escojido, real sacerdocio, gente santa, pueblo adquirido por Dios para que anuncieis la virtudes de aquel que os ha llamado de las tinieblas a su luz admirable." Los que somo hijos de Dios no andamos promoviendo ninguna religion. Ensalzamos al que nos redimio con proclamar su palabra.

fuego said...

Enrique: Shalom mi hermano. El Altisimo te bendiga grandemente!

lito said...

FUEGO, CONTESTAME PUES, CUAL FUE EL PLAN DE SALVACION PARA LA HUMANIDAD ANDES DE VUESTRO MOVIMIENTO????

NO ME VENGAS CON TEMAS ESCATOLOGICOS QUE NI LOS ANGELES DEL CIELO SABEN CUANDO SERAN. YO QUIERO QUE ME CONTESTES. PUES RECUERDA, TUS ANCESTROS FUEROS CATOLICOS DE MEXICO??
O NO???? Y MUCHO MAS ANTES, DE EUROPA.
NO ME DIGAS QUE "TU" ERES UNICO ELEGIDO DIVINO
QUE FUE ILUMINADO EXCLUSIVAMENTE CON EL PLAN DE SALVASION???
EXPLICAME E ILUMINAME PORQUE SI NO TE DEFRAUDAS A TI MISMO Y DESAFORTUNADAMETE A LOS QUE TE SIGUEN.
AL MENOS QUE ESTES LLENO DE LOCURA. RECUERDA QUE "DIOS NO ES UN DIOS ENVIDIOSO" EL QUIERE QUE "TODOS LLEGUEMOS AL ARREPENTIMIENTO" NO......??????

lito said...

BUENAS NOCHES A TODOS.

fuego said...

Lito:

Pues te lo dire, pero dudo que lo entiendas. Esto no tiene nada que ver con mis antepasados y si fueron o no Catolicos. Tu no has entendido que Dios no necesita de compadres ni padrinos. O apoco no sabes lo que significa:

Gal 3:20 Y el mediador no es de uno, pero Dios es uno.

Eso significa que cada creyente lavado en la sangre es constituido sacerdote ante Dios. Entonces, para que hacen falta los sacerdotes humanos que pretenden oficiar ante Dios por los demas si cada uno de los hijos de Dios tiene la libertad de acercarse al trono con confianza como esta escrito. (Heb. 4:16)

Por la ceguedad que te impone tu amor por la iniquidad (si solo conocieras el significado de esa palabra)no alcanzas a ver que no fue una secta la que surgio a vueltas del siglo pasado. Tu vez todo mediante la perspectiva de tu religion e ignoras que los hijos de esta fe existimos mucho antes de que Dios diera permiso de que se formara tu religion como la Operacion de Error para quienes no reciben el amor de la verdad. "A fin de que sean condenados todos los que no amaron la verdad, sino que consintieron a la iniquidad."
(2Tes 2:10-12)

La verdadera doctrina Apostolica tiene sus raices profundamente ancladas entre la tierra buena de los Apostoles y Profetas, siendo el Mesias nuestra Principal Piedra Angular. No empezamos el 325 AD. Tenemos nuestros principios mucho mas antes.

Pero para contestarte tu pregunta del plan de salvacion, te dire que vayas a Hechos 2:38,39. Cuando hayas leido las instrucciones del que hablo por medio la boca del Apostol, recuerdate esto y dime tu a mi luego donde esta TU esperanza de salvacion y con que la documentas. Dice la Escritura asi, "Porque la promesa es para vosotros, y para vuestros hijos, para todos los que estan lejos; PARA CUANTOS EL SENOR NUESTRO DIOS LLAMARE." Ahora haste la pregunta, "si la promesa esta atada a la obediencia del versiculo previo (2:38)como se recibira si este no se obedece?"

Aunque realmente no mereces saberlo porque eres un blasfemo, la verdad es que "en ningun otro hay salvacion, porque no hay otro nombre debajo del cielo dado a los hombres en el cual podemos ser salvos." (Hch 4:12)

El problema es que ignorais la palabra de Dios, porque esta dice:

Pro 18:10 Torre fuerte es el nombre del SEÑOR; a él correrá el justo, y será levantado.

Tu, a quien corres?

fuego said...

unhe2:
Bendiciones! Shalom to your home.

Flashback said...

Lito,
Porque no lees la Biblia? El plan de salvación no empezó con una religión. Empezó en la mente de Dios mi amigo. Mira lo que dice Efesios 1:4 "...nos escogió en él antes de la fundación del mundo..." Allí empezó el plan de salvación, en la mente de Dios.

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Flashback said...

Lito,
No le hagas mucho caso a Fuegito apagado. No todos los cristianos del nombre son jueces como él.
Dios te bendiga

factsonly1 said...

Apostolics are the modern day Puritans from the 1700's. Just full of themselves and thinking they are perfect by judging everyone else around them.

I wonder if the AA and AWA are actually considered a part of the body of Christ. Because they don't resemble Christ one bit.

uncionusa said...

Esto es lo que hacen los lideres en el emundo..
Control - Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igZr-I77Fpc

fuego said...

Unbelievable: Or should I say Unbelievably self-righteous,

It is written: "Judge not lest you be judged, because you will be judged with the same measure of judgment you mete out."

You have just taken it upon yourself to question whether a whole group of people are even in the Body of Christ because they do not meet YOUR expectations. So you must think YOU are God? In your muddled and unindoctrinated mind, you have painted a picture of Christ that very curiously resembles YOU. Now you decide Apostolics don't belong because they do not meet YOUR standards. But listen to what the Word of God says:

Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

You are not the lawgiver, and you have not judged according to his law. Therefore, you are merely acting the fool who has said in his or her heart, "there is no God." Because you are your own God, you think you have the right to judge. Silly rabbit...it is clear that you have never read:

Rev 14:7 "...Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

You are most likely one of those ecumenics who marches in support of the Gay movement because you think that's what love is.

Now, pay attention if your little attention span can handle it. The AA and the AWA are man-made organizations that are just that. Do not confuse the organizations with the people who are in those organizations. God has a people within those organizations who will awaken out of that mentality to the freedom that is theirs in Christ. His remnant is coming out of all organizations. God is shaking the very foundations and the only thing that will be left is that which is unshakable. That is what is meant by, "heaven and earth shall pass away, but the Word of God will stand forever."

Now go and check yourself out in that mirror and quit running around making little giddy judgmental comments that clearly denote how confused you are. You are lost child, and you don't even know it.

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Flashback said...

That Fuegito apagado can really be hateful. He is fire with hatred, but extinguished on love and compassion for others. Most of his remarks demonstrate his hatred for anyone that doesn't agree with him. He wants to use a whip like Jesus. Does that mean he thinks he is Jesus #2? His offense remark "if your little attention span can handle it," really says a lot about him. How does he ever expect to persuade anyone about salvation? What a character!

Flashback said...

Enrique,
If I were you, I would look for somebody else to agree with instead of Fuegito apagado.

fuego said...

Flashback: You need to flashback to reality.

You are in that catergory of people who calls evil good and good evil.

Your problem is that you believe in an erroneous concept of love and compassion. You think loving people is coddling them in their iniquity.

Oh, and by the way, we weren't called to be salespeople for the Gospel; so persuasion is not even a part of the calling. You speak thus because you know not the word of truth.

Joh 6:65 "And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

I need not "persuade" anybody. All I have to do is be faithful to His word in my witness.

You've been so busy trying to find something to accuse me of, that you have failed to notice that I call no one to follow me. I point to the truth be cause it was He who said, "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life; NO MAN comes to the Father but by me."

It isn't me you're hating on. It is the truth you can't stomach that you hate. So you call me names and look for something to try and discredit me, but I am not exalting me. I exalt the word of the Father of all who love his word more than their lives. Your war is with flesh and blood. Mine is with powers and principalities.

You side with those who live in the flesh and attack those who speak truth. I pray the Almighty judge between you and me because His judgment is true and righteous. May He deal with each one of us accordingly.

Remember this, and are you able to understand it?

Luk 12:58 For if anyone has a cause at law against you, and you are going with him before the ruler, make an attempt, on the way, to come to an agreement with him, for if you do not, he may take you before the judge and the judge will give you up to the police, and they will put you in prison.

If you have even an inkling as to how this works in the spiritual realm, know that a judgment rendered there is a judgment executed here. I beg you to be extremely careful how you respond.

I have invoked the judgment of God upon this cause between us. If you have any fear of God, you will consider whether you are right or wrong in your accusations against me. If your pride leads you to laugh this off, it is my sincere prayer that you survive the judgment that will be rendered and find the fear of God that leads to wisdom.

factsonly1 said...

Fuego,
Thanks for re-affirming my point with your response. My point bleeds right through your pious words and your prophetic arrogance. Which is precisely what has the Assembly in this mess.

fuego said...

Unbelievable Apostate:

You may think you're sophisticated in your reasoning, but your disdain for the word of God says all I need to know about who you are.

unhe2 said...

Fuego I truely enjoy the gift that the Almighty has giving you, its awsome, and it hurts some time but the truth is the truth y aunque el hombre viejo no le guste, pero ni modo. God Bless.

Anonymous said...

Fuego,

Sigue adelante mi hermano.

Youll find that in this blog if you use alot of scripture you will be attacked as a religous zealot who has no love.

If you appeal to peoples intellect and utilize psychological or historical references, you'll be called an arrogant jerk who thinks he's smarter than everyone.

If you speak about love and forgiveness and unity, you will be labeled soft.

And finally God forbid should you show yourself to be human and post any comment that is harsh or makes someone uncomfortable, you are labeled as carnal.

They will say " see I knew you just human cause you got upset "

Well Duh ! We are all human and sinners before a Holy and Righteous God.

Keep on standing for what you believe Fuego !

You will never make everyone happy and you will never make someone understand the mysteries of God lest The Lord himself bring the revelation.

Flashback said...

Fuegito, There is no doubt that you had problems when you were a child. Thus, the nature of your hatred and hunger to be praised. I will pray for you that the Lord will set you free from all that bondage so you won't make use of God's Word to justify your evil reasoning. The Lord said that he desired mercy before he would accept sacrifice. Don't apply the Word in your personal context. Apply it with the Word's context. Don't try to justify your senseless rage by misusing God's Word.

fuego said...

Flashback:

So be it!

Luk 12:59 I say to you, You will not come out of it till you have made payment to the very last farthing.

That you may know that this is not a matter of useless words or psychological debate.

Father, I tried. Please deal with this according to your will. Amen

fuego said...

Enrique:

We live in a world that is breathing its last breaths my Brother. The system that is will soon pass away. There is no shortage of skepticism and disbelief of the Word because we live in those dangerous times Paul spoke of.

Many have fallen away from the truth and gnash their teeth against what they hear because it pricks their conscience, which they have seared with religiosity.

But Father has a remnant who will not settle for anything less than the truth, and the truth is that righteousness is of the Lord. It is a free gift in Messiah's blood and not something we can earn. To those whom Father has given "ears to hear" this is good news. We are called to be a royal priesthood constituted by the blood of the Lamb. Every single one of us is constituted a priest and our High Priest lives within us. We have been given an instruction manual called the Bible that is Father's word for our edification; so that we never have to depend on any man for access to the throne of God. It is written:

"He who knew no sin was made sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

My Brother, we were sinners before we were washed in the Blood and born again of the Spirit. But we are in Christ and we have been clothed with Him. That means that God no longer sees us but Christ who clothes us. That's why the Scripture says, "Your life is hidden in Christ. When Christ is revealed, you shall also be revealed with Him in glory." Father's kingdom is extremely near. It is almost time for His sons to shine as brightly as the sun in it. (Mat. 13:43) Keep increasing your supply of oil so that your lamp is full when the time comes to trim the wick. (Mat. 25) Stay focused on that torch that burns in a dark place until the day dawns and the star of the morning arises in your heart. (2Pet. 1:19)

Please know that nothing ever happens by coincidence. You have a purpose. Ask our Father whether I speak the truth and He will confirm it to you. Your inheritance awaits you. Seek His face in His word, and He will guide you to it.

Thank you for your kind words of advice and encouragement. I receive them with all due respect and consideration.

And what God has blessed, who can possibly curse? If God be for us, who can be against us? Peace and blessings to your home, and to all those who love the word of God in truth.

lito said...

fuego, ya no le voy a llamar fuego.
para mi usd. es el pastor de fontana, fuente de verdad.

pastor VALBERDE.
SR. LA SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA ENSENA Y PRACTICA LA FE DEL UNICO DIOS JESUCRISTO. NUESTRA SANTA IGLESIA CREE EN UN SOLO DIOS, EN EL CATESISMO LO MUESTRA. LEA EL CATESISMO PARA QUE SE DE CUENTA.

HABLANDO CLARO USTED ESTA LOCO Y TIENE UNA OBCESION CON SU PERSONA.
ESTA EMOCIONALMENTE ENFERMO.

USTED TOMA LA PALABRA DE DIOS A SU ANTOJO Y SITA TEXTOS BIBLICOS A DIESTRA Y SINIESTRA, TOMA VERSICULOS DE QUI Y DE POR ALLA. SOLO LEE Y CITA LO QUE SU MENTE LE PUEDE ILUMINAR. NO SE HACE RESPONSABLE DE LO REALMENTE EL CONTEXTO QUIERE DECIR. TODA LA BIBLIA TIENE UN TRANFONDO HISTORICO, CULTURAL.

A LO QUE VEO USTED ME QUIERE DAR A ENTENDER QUE SU DOCTRINA ES LA ORIGINAL DE LOS DICIPULOS DE JESUS. Y QUE EN LOS ANOS 1920'S RESURGIO CON EL MOVIMIENTO DE USTED ?????

LA DOCTRINA DE LA FE CATOLICA ESTA BASADA EN JESUCRISTO, PUES EL MURIO POR NUESTRO PECADOS, EL NOS SALVA CONSTANTEMENTE DE NUESTROS PECADOS. COMO DIJO SAN PABLO, "NOS GLORIAMOS EN LA CRUZ DE CRISTO".

LA SANTA IGLESIA TIENE 7 SACRAMENTOS.

BAUTIZMO, CONFIRMACION, PENITENCIA, EUCARISTIA,
MATRIMONIO, UNCION DE ENFERMOS, EL ORDEN.

COMO DIJO S.PABLO " TODO BAJO LA MISMA REGLA" HAGASE TODO DECENTEMENTE Y EN ORDEN".

fuego said...

Unhe2:

Es la sinceridad de corazon la que nos impulsa a humillarnos ante Dios y a reconocer que nada tenemos de que gloriarnos ante El. Es el sabio quien se humilla ante la palabra del Altisimo y la considera aunque le duela hacerlo. Es el lema del justo, "Primeramente Dios veraz" y es justo porque cree a Dios al igual que como lo hizo Abraham. Es mi oracion que tu camino sea prosperado y que la luz del Evangelio Eterno brille fuertemente en ti para que la vean las ovejas perdidas y les puedas decir,"Lampara es a mis pies tu palabra y lumbrera a mi camino." Ellos sabran entender. Son ovejas de nuestro Padre.

Brother,

It is only by the grace of God that we understand that we must humble ourselves to the Word of God and that we have nothing to glory in before Him. It is the wise man or woman who considers the precepts of God even when it hurts to do so.

The motto of the just is "Let God be true." And the justification of the just comes from believing God in the same manner that Abraham's did.

It is my earnest prayer that the light of the Everlasting Gospel shine brightly in your heart, so that you may be a beacon for the lost sheep who will see it and come to you. When they do, tell them, "Your Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my pathway." They have ears to hear. They will understand. They are Father's sheep.

Shalom,

fuego said...

Lito Lobo Loco:

No haras valer tu mentira! Yo ni conozco al pastor Valverde. Es mas, yo no soy mentiroso para decirte como ya te dije, que yo vivo muy lejos de Fontana.

Pero para que quede en claro. Yo no ignoro que tu "iglesia" fue formada el 325 AD en el Concilio Ecumenico de Nicea. Tampoco ignoro que de ahi en adelante torcieron las escrituras a como les dio la gana y se tornaron ustedes mismos en una abominacion ante Dios. No escribio Pablo acerca de ustedes cuando profetizo:

1Ti 4:1 EMPERO el Espíritu dice manifiestamente, que en los venideros tiempos alguno apostatarán de la fe escuchando á espíritus de error y á doctrinas de demonios;
1Ti 4:2 Que con hipocresía hablarán mentira, teniendo cauterizada la conciencia.
1Ti 4:3 Que prohibirán casarse, y mandarán abstenerse de las viandas que Dios crió para que con hacimiento de gracias participasen de ellas los fieles, y los que han conocido la verdad.

No son pues ustedes quienes instituyeron el celibato, cosa que ahora les produce fruto de homesexualismo? Y quien mando abstenerse de comer carne en los viernes? Estas son doctrinas de demonios conforme a la Escritura.

Realmente no tengo tiempo para estarte educando a ti sobre tu propia religion. O sera que sabes y te haces el ciego para enganar?

trophyman said...
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trophyman said...

El problema con FUEGO es que no tiene nada de llama solamente le sale puro humo! Habla semejante a otro individuo por nombre de OBAMA! No se oye nada de lo que dice porque se lo lleva el viento como al humo!

The problem with FUEGO is that there is no flame to that fire all there is is SMOKE! He speaks very similar to another known individual by the name of OBAMA! You cannot hear what he says because the winds carries it of, just a bunch of smoke!

trophyman said...

For those of you that didn't understand my prior posting, basically what I was saying was that FUEGO is just trying to blow smoke up your @$$!

lito said...

hola amigos, les habla lito. buenos dias a todos. Que DIOS les siga bendiciendo.

me voy a BRASIL, despues me comunico con ustedes. saludos.

en el nombre del padre del hijo y del espiritu santo. AMEN +++

p.s. cuidensen de hombres que supuestamente predican el evangelio y que se supuestamente conocen la BIBLIA el derecho y alrevez, pero lo hacen para sacar el beneficio del DINERO. Las sagradas escrituras hablan hacerca de ellos, y los menciona como lobos rapaces, amadores de si mismos, que no se tientan el corazon para hacer mal a la gente (filigreses)pero despues tendran su pago. DIOS no es burla. AMEN +++

Unknown said...

Another minister bites the perverted minor dust.

So who is going to call into the Santa Clara Police department and report another Apostolic Assembly minister having too much fun with the 15-year old girls from Union City Church?

Word is that Rick Ramirez, dismissed pastor from the an old ELA District church, was allegedly asked to leave Union City after it was discovered that he was exchanging suggestive text messages with a minor from the local christian school. Word is that he is back in Los Angeles, but watch your daughters. Wasnt the youth girl at Maywood he slept with also pretty young? Dont you think this guy would have learned his lesson?

Keep this scumbag out of your churches and schools. Why wasnt he dealt with the first time around? Wasnt he a teacher at FLC and now at UC? Why was he allowed to make his living in church-sponsored schools?

By the way, it is not too late to report this scumbag. Interacting with a minor via text messaging with the intent to engage in a prohibited sexual act is horrible and this guy needs to put behind bars just like Richard Maffey.

SLJ said...

mesh;
If you have not learned yet, they don't give a rat's a$$ about the general membership.
The only thing they are interested in how much money will come in, and how to please the DGB. Brown nosing the DGB until they throw them a bone to nibble on.
Many here have written why the Bishops or Pastors don't voice they opinions about what is happening.
The reason is that most all of them aren't in for the right reason. The only reason is to satisfied their ego's and power hunger and dream of being a board member one day and feel like the KING.
And there is the MONEY thing too, most of them are greedy and can't have enough.
Some are just lazy and don't want to work and live off the church salary and don't do anything.
where else can you not do your job and when someone complains, your told that your speaking out against a MAN OF GOD.

fuego said...

To All:

I was doing some research and came across this following information. Isn't it strange how the ideology of religiosity never changes? I mean compare the way of thinking and acting of the leaders of Catholicism and the leaders of today's organizations. What is the difference? Here's documentation on Pope Leo X from Wikipedia.

"Leo's lively interest in art and literature, to say nothing of his natural liberality, his alleged nepotism, his political ambitions and necessities, and his immoderate personal luxury, exhausted within two years the hard savings of Julius II, and precipitated a financial crisis from which he never emerged and which was a direct cause of most of what, from a papal point of view, were calamities of his pontificate.

He sold cardinals' hats. He sold membership in the "Knights of Peter". He borrowed large sums from bankers, curials, princes and Jews. The Venetian ambassador Gradenigo estimated the paying number of offices on Leo's death at 2,150, with a capital value of nearly 3,000,000 ducats and a yearly income of 328,000 ducats.

The ordinary income of the pope for the year 1517 had been reckoned at about 580,000 ducats, of which 420,000 came from the States of the Church, 100,000 from annates, and 60,000 from the composition tax instituted by Sixtus IV. These sums, together with the considerable amounts accruing from indulgences, jubilees, and special fees, vanished as quickly as they were received. Then the pope resorted to pawning palace furniture, table plate, jewels, even statues of the apostles. Several banking firms and many individual creditors were ruined by the death of Leo."

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Religious organizations are traps. Escape from them into the kingdom. The Word of God is life!

Flashback said...

trophyman,
You pegged fuegito apagado perfectly. Congratulations!

Unknown said...

Felipe E. AgredanoHa ha ha! What a night and what a drag it was! Soo un-femenil dorc=us!
Thanks Tony & James for being incredible host(es) and Mayra yes you did surprize me OMG! To those of you who missed a wonderful night from getting dorca-fied to actual party. Thanks to all the federacion!

Must confess, unlike Josh, I could actually feel my toes on Monday thanks to my wedges! But this Abispa's thighs & leg were sore all week'end long from the Bendi! LOL!!!
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A shout out to all the accompanying family couples & friends: James, Ben, Bea, Joel, Geraldine, Manny-hag next time I am bringing my own straight: sis-hag and bro-hag!

Luv ya all!

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trophyman said...

Fuego o Humo!

Your stuff seems like nothing but cut and paste garbage! You remind me so much of Valverde's TBN sermons. They don't do anything for anybody! LOL!! Why don't you try coming out with something original! You're choking us with all that smoke!!!!

trophyman said...

Thank you Flashback!

Fuego just seems like his marbles are misplaced a little bit!

factsonly1 said...

I read that Maffey had court last week. Anybody know what the outcome was?

Flashback said...

Fuego seems to have run out of ridiculous things to say!

fuego said...

Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

fuego said...

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. (Pro 1:27-32)

fuego said...

These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. (Jud 1:16)

fuego said...

And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
(Rev 16:10,11)

Anonymous said...

Preach it fuego !

Flashback said...

There he goes. Being hateful again. Very funny guy!
Lol

fuego said...

Pro 17:11 An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.

fuego said...

Pro 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

fuego said...

Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

fuego said...

Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

fuego said...

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

fuego said...

Jas 3:14-16 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

trophyman said...

HUMO!!!!!

Puro HUMO!!!!!!!

trophyman said...

HEY!!!

SMOKE STACK!!!!!!

trophyman said...

HUELE A PURO HUMO!!!!!

trophyman said...

FUEGO!

Pasate un toque de lo que te estas fumando!!!LOL!

trophyman said...

Fuego your fire and brimstone message is leaving nothing but a trail of smoke!!!!! Funny how the only one that understands you is Enriqueto.

fuego said...

Trophyman: More like devil's trophy

"Funny how the only one that understands you is Enriqueto."

Let me try and break this down for you. I'll use this sword to cut through the fog that fills your head.This is what God says about you.

1Co 2:14 For the natural man (YOU) is not able to take in the things of the Spirit of God: for they seem foolish to him, and he is not able to have knowledge of them, because such knowledge comes only through the Spirit.

Now, puff on that!

fuego said...

the natural man: ψυχικος [Strong's G5591], the animal man, one who lives in a natural state, and under the influence of his animal passions.

Eres un hombre animal y el diablo te trae como titere a su gusto. Eres de el y solo te pregunto:

Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?

lito said...

hola mis hermanitos le shabla lito desde brasil, que DIOS nuestro senor siempre les bendiga. amen.

lito said...

Que bueno que este sr. FUEGO esta leyendo un poco tocante a la SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA.
por lo menos se dara cuenta de como DIOS a tratado con su misericordia atraves de los tiempos, y que poco a poco la humanidad por medio de hombres llenos de faltas, han podido alcansar la salvacion de sus almas.
Parece ser que al tipo le esta facinando el leer la historia en la cual el mismo esta pisando.
PS. SIGUE LEYENDO.

lito said...

CON TODO RESPETO. PERO QUE MARTIRIO SERA VIVIR EN EL HOGAR DEL "FUEGO". ESPERO QUE NO TENGA FAMILIA, PORQUE SI LOS TIENE, ESTAN BIEN AMARGADITOS.

DE SEGURO LOS TIENE ORANDO, PARA QUE SEAN UNOS SANTOS.

cbg said...

Oye lito vete con tus doctrinas paganas a otro lado. TODOS reconocen que estas pero bien errado en tus creencias. Tu iglesia catolica esta mas muerta que el diablo mismo. hahahahahaha que risa oirte creyendo en tanta estupides

Asta yo que estoy mas perdido que nada se que si quiero salvacion, la ultima iglesia que iria seria la catolica. Como eres iracundo, ciego, y mendigo perdido lito. DUMB ASS!!!

fuego said...

Para Lito y sus compas:

Maquina el impío contra el justo, Y cruje sobre él sus dientes. El Señor se reirá de él; Porque ve que viene su día. Los impíos desenvainaron espada, y entesaron su arco, Para derribar al pobre y al menesteroso, Para matar á los de recto proceder. La espada de ellos entrará en su mismo corazón, Y su arco será quebrado.
(Psa 37:12-15)

fuego said...

CBG:

Aunque tu creas estar mas perdido que nada, yo quiero decirte que solo te hace falta que levantes la vista hacia al que murio por ti. Ninguno de los hijos de Dios se salva por lo bueno que es o por sus propias buenas obras. Solo la sangre del Cordero puede limpiarnos.

Mi amigo, el llamado sigue de pie y el Dios Eterno te ama mucho mas que lo que ahora comprendes. No me necesitas a mi ni a nadie para acercarte a El. Ahi mismo donde estas, preguntale si lo que testifico es verdad. El te contestara por si mismo.

Nuestro Dios proveyo de su sangre para justificarte y hacerte santo para El. No dejes que tu vida se pase bajo la impresion que todo esta perdido para ti.

Yo te digo entre lagrimas que El que me salvo a mi te esta llamando para hacerte bien. No dejes que se pase otro momento sin que dobles tu rodilla ante El y le pidas el perdon que tanto desea El darte. El Rey de Reyes te bendiga!

trophyman said...

CBG te humeo todo el FUEGO!! Salte de alli porque te vas a hogar sin oxigeno. Fuego te esta contando todo lo que le enseno L blondina de Kenneth Copeland en TBN! LOL!!!
CBG si eres jotito los mensajes de TBN no te van ayudar! Necesitas algo mas fuerte que lo que el Fuegito te esta dando papa!!!

trophyman said...

Fuego!

This is what god says about you!
"He who blows his nose to hard draweth blood" You fool!

Hueles a puro humo!!!!

trophyman said...

cbg

A mi se hace que Fuego quiere algo contigo!!! Dile que te platique de sodoma y gomorra!!! LOL!! Y luego se fuman una marijuana. Menso!

trophyman said...

OK! Goodnight! It's getting kinda smokey in here!!LOL!

lito said...

Recuerden que el fruto del Espiritu,(NO EL HOLY GOST; NOT THE EMOTIONS), es amor , gozo, paz, benignidad,bondad, mansedumbre , y templanza.

EL sr. ENDEMONIADO "FUEGO" no sabe lo que quiere decir la escritura "fruto". nada de lo que escribe "fuego" en este blog habla del fruto del espiritu de DIOS. El tipo esta endemoniado pues maldice a las demas personas que no estan de acuerdo con sus temas derivantes. Se toma el tiempo citando citas como loquito y habla y habla como un retardado mental furioso porque solo suena como simbalo hueco. el senor lo reprenda al enganador. Cree que tiene poder para persuadir con citas biblicas, porque dice que el espiritu lo ilumina. no sabe que cada cita tiene un tranfondo hitorico cultural, etimologico y no todo se deve tomar literalmente.


Segun el se cree que tiene poder, pero el solo se lo imagina que lo tiene, pues esta hueco y sin poder. todas su palabras estan huecas pues no reflejan el espiritu de DIOS. Es un sepulcro blanqueado por fuera pero por dentro esta podrido de fecales y gusanos, que equivalen a sus vanas sutilezas y egos personales.

Este tipo solo promuebe la division entre el cuerpo de DIOS, pues a nadie edifica. Tengan cuidado de este DEMONIO enganador, tiene puros discursos de amargura y desilucion. Este tipo es un lobo rapaz que se filtro entre el la grey y supuestamente trae fuego.

lito said...

EN EL NOMBRE DEL PADRE DEL HIJO Y DEL ESPIRITU SANTO.AMEN
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cbg said...

Hey trophyman IT'S TIME to stop the charade. Come out of the close and tell everybody you are my bitch (puta). Come on man, tell them you and me have a thing going on. Tell them how much lito, lito, camotito, turns you on. Last time me and you were together (in the bliblical sense) you told me all this you fag. Fu@%#@ dumb ass!

Y lito, YA CALLATE CON TUS ESTUPIDESES feligres. Tanta tonteria solo me esta haciendo aborrecer la iglesia catolica.

Fuego, gracias por tus palabras y ora por mi porfavor. Estos otros estupidos que se hacen creer cristianos NI TIENEN idea de como hablarles a los hermanos, MENOS a los pecadores perdidos como yo. Mira y espera las respuestas pendejas que siempre escriben cuando les hablo la verdad. Gracias!

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Anonymous said...

Lito,

El que suena como una persona amarga y arrogante sos vos.

Dejate de tratar de convertirnos a el catolisismo,una religion que por comensar ni capta lo mas principal que es la unicidad de Dios.

Dejate de promover tu movimiento ecumenico. Que El Señor no bino a traer unidad de religiones y pas.

El bino a traer una espada para separar los suyos el trigo de la mala yerba.


Fuego,

Dont let anyone discourage you. Some oppose you just for kicks and to get a reaction out of you.

And others if God himself has not given them the revelation ! Who are we to think we could reason with such an individual ?

factsonly1 said...

Thanks Enrique but I can handle this on my own. You are still my beloved brother whose thoughts and prayers I cherish. But my approval and favor can only come from the Almighty God.

If God be for us, who can be against us? (Romans 8:28)

No weapon formed against me will prosper (Isaiah 54:17)

fuego said...

Enrique:

Be of good cheer my Brother. The universe would have to implode upon itself for the Word of our God to fail since it is that very Word that upholds it. These fools (in the Biblical sense) could no more discourage me than they could make me president of this country.

They bring knives to a gunfight. They are those who come unarmed to do battle in a war of wits. What ridiculous statement can they possibly make that does not show their animalistic nature?

Trophyman (devil's trophy) is a foulmouthed mouthpiece for his father who tries to confuse people with innuendos and filthy communication from his perverted heart. He's just being true to his bloodline, because his father has been a liar and a murderer from the beginning. What he doesn't know is that all the fun he's having being an anti-christ on this blog is just getting him ready for the day of reckoning.

Lito (Religious Recruiter) is just zealous for his beloved Catholic Church. He will never understand that he's promoting a dead thing. He's most offended when he hears the truth directly from the Word. He has blasphemed and shown his true colors and that didn't surprise me one bit. But he's no threat to the real believers. They have a personal relationship with God. What do they need Lito for?

And finally, I don't know who has access to my name, but someone does, and that someone has posted the previous post to you Enrique. Those are not my words. I did not write them or send them. Now, just because I didn't write that post, it doesn't mean I don't appreciate the intent of the message it brings; except for one thing: I can't handle this alone anymore than anyone else can. It is the grace of God that keeps me going. I agree with the two verses used, though. "If God be for us. who can be against us?" "No weapon formed against you shall prosper."

So I would like to thank the brother or sister who took the time to post that for me and say, "blessings on you, I know your heart is in the right place."

fuego said...

Pobrecito Flashback is having a flashback and that's all that came to mind. Otro que viene to the battle of wits unarmed.

Psa 18:34 He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

I know whom I have believed!

fuego said...

You haven't even taken the time to read the Bible, what would you know about Muslims?

fuego said...

Psa 12:3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
Psa 12:4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

Check yourself out in that mirror, Flashback. You think you will prevail because you can speak without restraint or truth. God says you are cut off. Now, whose report will you believe? You better call Lito and Trophyman, cause they got your back. De los tres no se hace uno!

lito said...

si el fruto del ESPIRITU SANTO, es amor, vos no lo tratas de comunicar.
ignorais las escrituras. Sois como dijo SAN PEDRO, " la puerca lavada y restaurada se regresa al los fecales y vomitos" pues hasi lo sois con vuestras acciones, y palabras, segun lo que comunicais en vuestro blog.

Como podeis hablar y citar tanta escritura si no amais a vuestro projimo??? no seais fariceos. parece ser que usted "fuego" es un fariceo estafador del GB. EL senor te reprenda y quedes ciego Y loco por tanta maldad torcida que haces al los deviles hispanos que buscan a DIOS. Sigue altercando con DIOS todo poderoso, y veras que quedaras como una estatua de sal en el olvido, como la esposa de LOT. Si no te humillas ante DIOS y le pides perdon por tu maldad quedaras trastornado y solo como el tipo de EFRAIN VALBERDE, cuando quizo, segun el , formar una iglesia mucho " MAS SANTA" o no te acuerdads???? parece ser que era tu pariente. Dime en que quedo??
Cuidado con el EGO, eso no es FRUTO del ESPIRITU DE DIOS, erudito sin titulo.
Pero las bestias brutas ya tropesando en la piedra, jamas de los jamases buelben a tropesar en la misma. aprende los pininos del fruto de espiritu de JESUCRISTO.

trophyman said...

Fuego:
Your smoke is beginning to take the smell of un pedo nervioso! LOL!! Now let's make one thing clear, it isn't Trophyman it's trophyman big difference!

By the way your TBN messages aren't having much of an effect on el cbgito!

I knew I could rattle you two! I get a kick out bringing out the unchristian out peope like you fuegito, you guys are a total joke!!LOL!!

trophyman said...

Fuego, cbg has a crush on you! He dreams of you baptizing him and then the two of you living happily thereafter! You two will have to move to Maine where they approve of your lifestyle. Bola de jotos de los dos si se hace UNO!LOL!!

fuego said...

Devil's trophy:

You are truly naive in your self conceived notion of what a Christian is. Any body who doesn't agree with you. Yet out of your mouth pours out filth and garbage. You are of this world and you will pass away with it.

You're really not rattling anything but your own cage that your father has imprisoned you in. Shouldn't you be gorging on the porno sites you love to visit? That's why everything in your conversations turn to sex and perversion, because that's where you live. "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."

Psa 11:5 The LORD tests righteous people, but he hates wicked people and the ones who love violence.

To you, this is all about your pride in being a mocker, and you think everyone reasons as you do. Look around and see how in the light, everyone can see that you are just a puppet of the one who calls you his trophy.

Psa 1:6 The LORD knows the way of righteous people, but the way of wicked people will end.

The very hate that drives you now is the same hate that will destroy you. Do you think the devil has you in that cage for nothing? You will remember my words!

factsonly1 said...

In addition, there's a reason why my name is fuego. So don't play with fire or you'll get burnt.

I'm sorry if I hurt you trophy man, but my fuego doesn't compare to what you have coming to you.

cbg said...

WOW!!! somebody must really know you trophyman, cause they're even using my blog name to call you up on it! hahahahahah.

Is there something you're not telling us? Are you related to Victorieta Prado jr. Hmmmm.

The real CBG!!!

fuego said...

To those who matter:

This will be my final post. I did not post the one before this. It is clear that someone had to resort to deceitful tricks. The integrity of this blog has been compromised.

factsonly1 said...

...so have a happy Friday everyone. I must go now, I must return to the boys room, I must not have wiped my butt right. Hate it when that happens.

trophyman said...

Fuego!

Don't go I promise I won't be a bitch anymore ok. I'll just quietly sit on cbg and let him have his way with me, if that makes you happy. I know it makes me very happy ;-0

lito said...

hermanos apartados de la SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA.

JESUCRISTO LES AMA Y LES SIGUE BENDICIENDO. "BUSCAD A DIOS MIENTRAS PUEDE SER AYADO". JESUS DIJO " YO SOY EL CAMINO Y LA VERDAD, Y LA VIDA, NADIE BIENE AL PADRE SI NO ES POR MI".
DIOS TODABIA SIGUE CON SUS BRAZOS ABIERTOS PARA PERDONAR PECADOS. NO IMPORTA COMO VENGAS, QUE TAN SUCIA ESTE TU CONCIENSIA, TU VIDA COTIDIANA, QUE SE YO, JESUCRISTO TE SIGUE ESPERANDO CON MUCHA PACIENSIA.
LA IGLESIA ES EL FACTOR POR EL CUAL LA HUMANIDAD ES "EDUCADA" PARA LA SALVACION DE SU ALMA. JESUCRISTO POR MEDIO DE SU SACRIFICIO EN LA CRUZ DEL CALVARIO NOS SIGUE REDIMIENDO DE NUESTROS PECADOS COTIDIANOS. COMO DIJO SAN PABLO, " NOS GLORIAMOS EN LA CRUZ".SIN EL SACRIFICIO DE JESUSUCRISTO, ESTUVIERAMOS PERDIDOS.
EN EL NOMBRE DEL PADRE DEL HIJO Y DEL ESPIRITU SANTO, AMEN.+++

Flashback said...

Estimado lito,
Cual es el nombre del padre, hijo y Espiritu Santo? Dime por favor. Para ayudarte un poco, compara Salmo 23:1 y Juan 10:11. Considera tambien 1 Juan 5:20. Mira tambien Isaias 9:6 y Hechos 2:38. Que sea todo esto revelado a ti en el nombre de Jesucristo. Esa es mi oración.

lito said...

El nombre del padre del hijo y del espiritu santo es JESUCRISTO.

Esa referencia todos la reconocen.

lito said...

nunca se le dan adoracion de culto a los titulos, solamente a DIOS. hay un solo DIOS verdadero. El con su gracia nos ofrece la salvacion.

lito said...

La SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA, TIENE LA GRAN RESPONSAVILIDAD DE TRANSMITIR EL PLAN DE SALVACION A LA HUMANIDAD.
CONSTANTEMENTE SE ESTA TRATANDO DE FORJAR LO QUE JESUS LES ENCOMENDO A SU IGLESIA, "ID Y HACED DICIPULOS".
PERO, LA ENCOMIENDA SE HACE CON AMOR.
ATRAVES DE LOS TIEMPOS, LA IGLESIA A COMPRENDIDO LOS MISTERIOS DE GRACIA DE JESUCRISTO. LA ESCRITURA DICE " HASTA QUE TODOS LLEGUEMOS AL ARREPENTIMIENTO". AMIGO NUESTRO DIOS ES PACIENTE Y NO VINO A CONDENAR, SINO A GANAR SU CREACION QUE LE COSTO LA MUERTE Y MUERTE DE CRUZ. AMEN

lito said...

JESUCRISTO NO QUIERE QUE NADIE SE PIERDA "SINO QUE, TODOS LLEGUEMOS AL ARREPENTIMIENTO"

lito said...

LA SANTA IGLESIA CATOLICA ROMANA APOSTOLICA ES LA UNICA QUE PUEDE SALVARTE!!! REZA A LA SANTA MADRE VIRGEN MARIA PARA QUE TE SALVE. ELLA ES CORREDENTORA CON JESUCRISTO Y PUEDE TAMBIEN PROVEER SALVACION. YA BASTA DE OIR A TANTAS RELIGIONES BASTARDAS, LA IGLESIA CATOLICA ES LA UNICA MADRE RELIGIOSA PURA. OBEDESCAN Y ARREPIENTANCE Y REGRESENE A LA UNICA MADRE RELIGIOSA UNIVERSAL, CON SU PADRE Y ESPOSO EL PAPA!

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