AV
- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
*Not 2006 Election related
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You're funny, Bro! :)
I appreciate your sense of humor, your wit, and your sarcasm. It helps numb the pain that we are all feeling at this time.
But truly, if you want a revolution, just listen again to Kirk's lyrics to your theme song:
"Sick and tired of the church talkin' religion, but yet they talk about each other. Make a decision!"
All the Rebels have been doing so far is talking ABOUT the church (the body of Christ) instead of attempting to engage in a meaningful conversation WITH the church, i.e. the local pastors and leadership.
The change will only take place if we converse, civilly and with the love of Christ, with our local leadership (Pastors, ministers, etc.).
I know this doesn't reek of sarcasm, but historically, that is how all revolutions begin.
Skotty, you could make a real difference if you were willing to depose yourself of your sarcasm and present yourself as a legitimate player. But for now, all your doing is making people laugh.
Is that your goal?
They did this!
They divided the church of God!
They were unethical!
They committed this act of wrong to the church!
SKOTTY!!!
so 2008 convention has been confirmed???
Hey i called Head Quarters to ask about THE CONSTITUTION...
they seemed nice until i said i was SKOTTY lol
when they transfered me to a guy that could help. it sounded like he had me on speaker phone.. lol
i brought up chapter 14 the removal and trials part. and i mentioned that my questions had to do with BR ... The guy that i was talking to told me to go to my pastor for questions....
i told him thank you then hung up the phone.
lol
Well Honestly Have to Look AT my Schedule . BUT i am pretty sure i will be able to Attend at least 1 day LOl
Ok lets talk...
If you think I'm playing ask Pastor Baldemar Rodrigues about Miguel Gallegos
The guy with the Radio program?
Mr Gallegos,
I remember you. I spoke with you on here and i was actually present when you called my pastor on the telephone. it was around 6 ish right?
This guy is legit, guys.
THats me!!!!!
and i quote snoopyd on this
"But truly, if you want a revolution, just listen again to Kirk's lyrics to your theme song:
"Sick and tired of the church talkin' religion, but yet they talk about each other. Make a decision!"
All the Rebels have been doing so far is talking ABOUT the church (the body of Christ) instead of attempting to engage in a meaningful conversation WITH the church, i.e. the local pastors and leadership."
how do you know if we have or have not talked about this with our congregation and other churches...
ppl are talking about us vandalizing and breaking windows, just in case u didnt notice on our protest it was a peaceful protest, there was no yelling or screaming our heads off and definately no insults or bashing on the gb members when they passd by....
all we wanted to do was prove a point "that we weren't there to fight"
what would we have won if we wouldve vandalized and broke the gb's members buildings and the hq?? Nothing!! Exactly!!
and stop talking about skotty, since ur so good with the bible, doesnt it say "do not judge lest the be judged!!"
with the same measure u are measuring skotty God will measure you!
Thank you for all your help.
My pastor really appreciates it.
I hope the interview next week is a success.
Bro Gallegos, I know u used to be in the AA and later in the UPC, but now where do you go?
i stand 4 one,
I've been praying for Pastor Baldemar and his church since the night before he was excommunicated from the AA when a special prayer request for Pastor Baldemar was made at our midweek service.
Paul admonished us to pray always with all supplication for all saints and for him that he may preach the gospel boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel.
I am convinced that Pastor Baldemar Rodriguez wants nothing more than to preach the gospel.
I encourage you to support your pastor not only in prayer, but in tithes and offerings that he may live off the gospel.
God Bless You.
P.S. I love you.
HAHA nice SNOOP...
bUT how can we talk to local LEADERSHIP WHEN THEY ARE AFRAID OF THE "Godly Boys"
The gb mUSST STEP DOWN, or more Pastors need to stand up and speak out...
now i was lucky that i had my camera that day... but every1 who is scared need to take their cameras!
you now know what is happenng...
THE "Godly Boys" ARE TERRIFIED OF THE CAMERA... PERSONAlly i find this amuzing..
People, we must keep putting the word out on these unethical mafia style so-called leaders! Thats how we will make a change! We must get as many youth as possible!
Bro Gallegos,
Anytime you are in town, you are MOST welcome.
http://divinestrengthchurch.com
wow
26,000+ VIEWS for all 3 vids!
WE ARE REACHING THEM!
LOL
thanks skotty...
i will be there (2008 convention) with my camera as well...lol
that way u can record the gb and i can record the church members that scream out "backsliders!!" lol
i got yo back!! lol
as for carlos:
i know how u felt, i was there! i sat back and watched everything happened and it seemed like it was a dream...i didnt think it could be reality, i was waiting for someone to pinch me and wake me up and then i realized it wasnt a dream, it was actually happening! :(
but i rest assured that we are not defeated and God never leaves the righteous forsaken!
I'm Gonna start working on another vid... n e suggestions for songs??
i was thinking dirty deeds done dirt cheap...
but idk... lol
too many ppl were freaked out Bout the lux aeterna song... which is wierd... but w.e
n e suggestions?
Carlos I'm from the Rock Church in Sacramento.
If you click on my name you can go to my blog "Conservative Insight", or just go to apostolicnation.blogspot.com
You'll see a picture of me and family-I have nothing to hide!
well fearless bloggers.
i am gone for the night...
never DID get a response from apoww...
i heard hooked on phonics is for sale bro...
modern preacher never wrote back either...
tsk tsk tsk
good night!
GOD BLESS!
it kinda sux my days are on here are numbered!
i go back to work on tuesday... :(
well off i go.
i stand for one and his name is JesusChrist...
so if anyone wants to join me and get your worship on...
like i mentioned before...
services are at 2pm
@ valley college
701 S. Mt vernon ave
san bernardino, ca
92401
I gtta go cuz this Girl GOtz 2 Work Tmrrw...
Blessings...
i_stand_4_one
p.s snoopyd, skotty, m. gallegos, and carlos, it was nice chatting with you guys...
HAHAHA
I DIDNT GET A RESPONSE EITHER!
I stand 4 1 (Sister J),
It is obvious that Pastor Baldemar already had a discussion with his local church and that the church has united with their pastor. Since he has been excommunicated from the church, much of what is said on this blog is of no consequence to Pastor Rodriguez or his congregation. I love Pastor Baldemar and will always pray for him and his church.
Skotty,
Is your Pastor afraid of the GB or is he patiently waiting for the day when he and his fellow laborers in the AA can make a difference? Perhaps your pastors love for the AA is greater than his disdain (if he has any) for the GB.
Bro. Gallegos,
I'm sorry, i didn't mean to imply anything. i was asking out of curiosity. just trying to get to know you.
Thank you very much for what you are doing for my pastor and my church.
He is really excited about next week's interview! :)
I love that man so much, and ANYONE who makes him smile is friend of mine!
well god bless you brother.
KIT.
my email is
lerato910@gmail.com
I am part of BR's church and anything i can do to help, just say the word.
skotty whats the video about? maybe i could help with a song
i have a few in mind...
Cant say on here... lol
Gallegos...
is there n e way we can make that interview a video interview??
skotty send me a message on u know what(ms) about what its about...
i would love to help... :) lol
Carlos,thanks bro! just keep being faithful and remember you are the church! And you did nothing wrong! I'll send you an e-mail so we can chat some more.
skotty,
hey i a full service recording studio if it will help. I got pro tools, logic and a bunch of stuff.
let me know.
Where is Pastor Rodriguez having his services located now?
Where is skotty
Skotty its going to be on the air, I'm just going to let him say what ever he wants for about 4-5min.
I also got Bro. Saul Avila for this Saturday, I'm sure I can get it recorded...
baldemars church services are sundays at 2pm
@ valley college
701 S. Mt vernon ave
san bernardino, ca
92401
servantofjc,
here's the link with the info:
http://divinestrengthchurch.com
also feel free to email me:
lerato910@gmail.com
good night bloggers,
this time 4 real.
gbu all.
sWEET. thats what ppl need.
Men THAT were ex-communicated to Speak out on What the "Godly Boys" DID to them.
M.Gallegos
It would be nice if all of the bloggers on this site felt they had nothing to lose. However, none of us are excluded from Maslow's hierarchy of needs, of which a sense of belonging is an integral part.
Many of us remain anonymous because we don't want to lose the fellowship we enjoy with our brothers and sisters, and we don't want to knowingly offend those whom we love.
For example, stand for one knows me personally, and has always shown me love and affection. However, she didn't know who I was, so she expressed her opinion to me freely. That's okay. I prefer she honestly disagree with me than she pretend to agree with me and hide her disdain for my opinion. I still love her.
There is no greater loss than fellowship with the ones we love.
So, keep yourself candid, and we will stay anonymous. God Bless You, Brother.
In Jesus' Name.
ok guys, i know i said i was going mimis already, but i saw a comment about me and it was so funny...
I JUST HAVE TO RESPOND!
Just to clarify:
I did NOT get a $8 haircut at the asian place...
i got a FIVE dollar haircut at the MEXICAN place!
i'm still true to my roots!
that was so hilarious!!!!
yet so lame!!!
L O L ! ! ! !
ok, ok.
ahora si!
GU NAI!
(thats how my mom says good night in her mexican sinaloa accent)
Ok SO good night.
peace out.
R4J
revolutionaries4justice@hotmail.com
Dont Be Afraid To Speak out!
hey guys i hate deleting but those last two were mine, i made a lil mistake...lol
snoopyd God bless you always and wherever you go...just know that u and ur family are still in my prayers...
Blessings...
i_stand_4_one
To snoopyd:
Believe me bro, one of the most difficult things for me was to walk away from the AA. My father was first UPC, and my mother AA, so I had both in me growing up.
But when I got seriously crazy about God and Church it was in the AA. I loved it! I loved the people! I loved everything about it! But as I was getting in the ministry I found my self involved in things like this that happened, I questioned it and people changed with me. I had a decision to make, so I walked away. Since then I have seen many people back slidden and hurt, some are never coming back to God, because of these types of leadership. I've lost many friends but where God closed one door he opened another. Many rumors were said about me and even my wife, and we never said a word. People thought I was even back slidden, I have tape of me being slanderd from pulpits and never have I responded. But not everyone is like me, some people may get bitter and die in the spirit, some are going to back slide and never come back because they looked up to Apostolic leadership and were let down. I believe the gb could have done things different, but things happened the way they did and now some people will never trust the're leaders ever again.
Therefore I'm going to do my best to help those in need of fellowship! Thats why I'm here for the people.
Apoww08,
To your response from yesterday:
"The pastor can be ceased from the pastorate and should surrender the local church under his care, if the supervising bishop and the Bishop President should determine."
Yeah they can be ceased if Bishop president should determine, BUT the way things look they did it for vengeance. They didn't like the fact that the 4 pastors sued them, so they figured lets just take them out of the assembly. That it'll hurt them the most since its pretty much their life!
THAT IS CALLED UNLAWFUL TERMINATION!!!!!!!!
Good morning people! Its a beautiful day here in Sacramento Ca. Its alittle after 7am, I was just thinking about everything thats taken place, and I must say "Its a sad situation" no matter how you see it! I think we all wish this would of never happen, Its like a bad dream, and you just cant wake up. Reality is no joke, here on the World Wide Web you have the Apostolic Assembly with an internal war! Both sides passionate about what where they stand. Videos of church folk being ex-out of a culture they been a part of for generations. Gods prophets have not spoken because of fear, indeed its a sad situation. Ahab has been seduced by Jezabel, and Elijah is ready to give up! But there is 7000prophets that have not worshiped Baal!
Get ready!
Get ready!
Get ready!
GET READY FOR REVIVAL!
i stand 4 one
Snoopyd claims the following: I stand 4 1 (Sister J).
Are you one of the J sisters?
If so, I want to say it saddens me to see the way people from the AA bash and slander you on here. I am praying for your family and your church!
i know the j sisters, and they got WAY too much to do to be on here.
In the midst of all this unrest going on, this 4th of July weekend, sit back, relax and be thankful that we live in America and can still enjoy our civil liberties, freedom of religion, speech and press. Now that's a powerful thing! Thank you Jesus!
Aman to that!
Appow08
I see many fallacies in your argument. First, yes we are saying there is a conspiracy. That’s what most of these blogs are about.
Going back to Acts. Let’s say Justus had been chosen instead of Matthias. Do you think that Peter and the apostles would have whipped out their CID and disqualified him. Look at their prayer, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen..”. Their vote confirmed whom the Lord had chosen. According to the scriptures, Justus and Matthias were qualified before the vote. They simply voted for the better candidate. The CID qualifies (or disqualifies you) after the vote.
The Apostolic voting system does not measure up to the biblical voting system. Part of the problem you (and the GB) are having is you are trying to bring secular ideas into an already established and proven system.
You are right, the CID on its own is not a scam. But it can be used in a scam. Which is what a lot of people believe based on the actual facts. The CID can used to eliminate candidates that are unqualified. It can also be used to disqualify candidates that are not liked.
Even if you are right about the QC. The Apostolic voting system moves in a direction opposite to scripture (my biggest gripe).
Either, let our vote be the vote or start appointing officials. Don’t try to masquerade dictatorship as a democracy.
Dear Carlitos,
I'll re-post my blog regarding the constitution, since you've failed to respond to it.
Ch 19, Art 64, Sec V of the Apostolic Assembly Constitution states:
V. Whenever a pastor acts against the doctrinal principles, economic system, or organizational system of the Apostolic Assembly (ie. you sue the Assembly), or otherwise cause harm to the Church, he shall be judged by the respective supervising bishop. The pastor can be ceased from the pastorate and should surrender the local church under his care, if the supervising bishop and the Bishop President should determine.
Bro. Baldemar was obvioulsy against the "organizational system of the Apostolic Assembly." His lawsuit is evidence of that.
Nowhere here does it state that a "trial" needs to take place. The
decision-making power is clearly left to the supervising bishop and the Bishop President. The "trials" section of the Constitution does not apply here.
In fact, if you read the text carefully (and I know that's a struggle with you, but take your time...hee hee), it says that a pastor "shall be judged by the respective supervising bishop."
Where in the text do you see the requirement of a "trial?" The Constitution is clear that the supervising and presiding Bishop have the authority to "judge" without a trial.
$5 haircut for a baller like you? Aren't you 4 steps from being CEO of Bank of America?
hey ever since I outed Hank the Tank...I haven't seen him...maybe he's out doing damage control.
don't worry Hank, i have everything that I need already.
apoww
i'm kinda tired of repeating myself to the hooked on phonics crowd. thank god for copy and paste.
this is what the constitution says
IV.No pastor can assume responsibility over a church if he disagrees with the doctrinal principles and the economic and organizational system of the Apostolic Assembly. If during the practice of his ministry, a pastor shall reach a different opinion regarding specific doctrinal points or the organizational system, he shall present his objections to the district bishop, who will consider them and determine a course of action, after consulting with the Bishop President. We believe that Christian ethics justifies us in requiring that every minister who disagrees with the doctrinal principles or organizational system of our Church, resign from his duties, and abstain from causing damage,dishonor, and division within the church. Whoever acts in this manner, shall be called by the constituted authorities of the Apostolic Assembly to consider his reasons and make a determination to apply justice to the case.
good point, modern preacher, however i must point a few things.
1) The constitution never commands the removal of said pastors. read it well. it is very abstract. a legal document such as this should be very precise and "cookie cutter"
2) Whenever something is added to a constitution that is contradictory to itself, it must be added as an amendment or at least reference the contradiction as an exception. For example, when it orders a pastor to be tried, it should say the exceptions is disagreement with doctrine, etc.
Most people will agree. It contradicts itself with the previous statement that entitles the pastor to a trial and witnesses. IT DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT THE EXCEPTION IS WHENEVER A PASTOR IS IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE DOCTRINE OR ORGANIZATION SYSTEM. Swiss cheese, indeed.
3)That being said, can't ALL potential "uh-oh's" of a Pastor be considered disagreements with the doctrine and organization, etc? If a pastor is accused of stealing money, then mustn't he be instantly removed as well? That is very well a sign of disagreement or dis accord with the constitution. The articles i referenced before protect a pastor against such action and they do not specify exceptions, so they must STAND.
5) Doesn't the constitution also prohibit use of jewelry? Bro Sam Valverde openly disagrees with this clause and allows his members to use wedding bands. this is hear from friends that attend FOT. Why wasn't the same procedure done with him. Do i smell selective law enforcement?
4) what about willie mendoza? he had NOTHING to do with the allegations yet he was removed in the same manner baldemar, torres, and avila were. NO TRIAL. NO WITNESSES.
5) I'm looking through my version of the ORIGINAL constitution and i do not find that specific clause... can someone clarify? when was this added? what changes does the 2004 version feature? were they done before or after the election?
so basically, MR Apowww, i'll break it down for further...
article 36 doesn't make exceptions! It doesn't say the pastor is entittled to a trial unless he is against the doctrine. Plus the latter is contradictory to the first article. Plus its not in the original constitution...
Got that?
if you have any questions about my job status and financial well being, email me. lerato910@gmail.com
We can make an appt at my office and i'll show first hand my financial/ job status, and maybe i can help you improve yours! we start by limiting your haircut, manicure, pedicure, and eyebrow waxings. Ay QUE FRESA!!
sola,
do you also see flying saucers from your bedroom windom? are you one of those weirdos that think that 9/11 was an "inside" job? You conspiracy theorists amuse me. Ya'll should start a club or something.
How were Justus and Matthias
"qualified before the vote?" Did they flip a coin? Did they interview the candidates? Did they have them each give a speech? The Bible is silent on that issue, and you know it, so spare me your rhetoric.
Going with your argument, if the disciple's vote confirmed whom the Lord had chosen, why is it so hard for you to accept that the pastor's final vote for the new board members was "confirmation" that the Lord also chose them?
Again, you're making assumptions. You assume that QC members are all evildoers ready to conspire and use the CID to their advantage. You assume that they are all void of prayer and will "get their way" at any cost. Are you that myopic and paranoid?
You said: "Either, let our vote be the vote or start appointing officials."
Listen carefully, because I'm tired of repeating myself. The QC used the CID to narrow down the choices for a particular position. You're making it seem that the QC themselves hand-picked the eventual winner. WRONG.
The pastors had, have always had, and will continue to have the last word, with their vote. How can this be a dictatorial system if the pastors do, indeed, vote for the eventual winner? Remember, the person with the most votes wins, and there's nothing that the QC can do about it!
Tell that to Baldemar, Solomon, Avila & Torres.
Hey Carlos just got a e-mail from Pastor Baldemar, Its going to be good!
Apoww08
You say these things as if you were actually there. If you weren’t there, it’s hearsay. Your argument is based on what “should have happened”. The evidence speaks to the contrary.
Carlos,
Article 36, section 1 clearly states:
"We also find that the Word of God authorizes the Church to bring to trial those members who are disobedient and or commit errors..."
The article then goes on to give the process by which a trial is to take place.
Article 36 does NOT apply to Bro. Baldemar's case, because he was not "disobedient" or did not "commit errors."
He was simply not in agreement with the organizational structure of the Assembly, as seen by his lawsuit. Article 64, the one I've pointed out, lays out the process when a pastor is not in agreement with the org. structure of the Assembly.
This section is distinct and different from Article 36, because a pastor here has not committed a sin or has been disobedient; he just doesn't agree with our structure.
In that case, Article 64 clearly states what is to happen with said pastor. Article 64 was enforced in Bro. Baldemar's removal as pastor, because he was not in agreement with our structure, as evidenced by his lawsuit.
Oh, and I could care less what you do for a living and the money you make. I'm just messing with you because you're the one that brought it up. Typical 22-yr old boasting about his "fancy" job.. ha ha
sola,
What "evidence?" You're starting to annoy me with your stubborness. What part of "a judge evaluated ALL evidence and found no fraud" don't YOU understand?
Apoww08
Even the GB admits they use the CID. Remember. Legal, yes. Ethical, no.
You are practicing self-deception when you ignore the evidence. Let me know if you want more.
I think you’re just playing around now.
Well it's been a long time since writing, as being a new daddy has taken more energy than I once thought it would. However, due to recent events I found it hard to continue to keep quiet.
Last night my wife and I watched these videos with tears in our eyes for the obvious pain Bro Baldemar is going through, as well as the Political and Spiritual degradation of the gb.
I will be honest enough to admit I have not read many of the posts, as there is almost 1500 of them, so if my post is redundant, please forgive me.
I guess I am ultimately confused. There is no reason at all, for this situation to have gone as far as it has. the "logical" thing to have done in the beginning, would have been a re-vote facilitated by a arbitrator. Then once the vote had finally been cleared, the arbitrator could help facilitate a forum on a Constitutional reformation. Sure, with a logical solution as this, someone, probably the gb, would have to face a little ridicule. But would it have been the best for the people? The people are really what matter right? No?
I am reminded of the story in Solomon. Where the 2 women (The gb and the Plantiffs) go before the King (the Court System), after one of the women rolls over on her child and smothers him (The vote). They decide to go to the king to have him rectify the situation. The King then declares to cut the baby in 2 to offer each mother a half of the child (The maliciousness of this request can be likened to the gb severing its ties with great men of God, such as Bro. Baldemar).
In our modern day story we find a very critical change. The rightful mother of the child stands and protests the Kings decision and calls for a change.
I was overjoyed while watching these videos to see a majority of women at ths protest, as well as at the Wednesday night service, making their voices known. It's as if the women of the AA have finally come realize how horribly they have been treated by the AA and have stood up to their persecutors. The majority of the voices heard in the Wednesday night service were that of women.
Women of the AA, I commend you! It is high time your voice I heard as opposed to stifled.
R4J... keep up the good work. However, remember...
During Revolutions, people die. People are wounded. People are scarred. In the next few years you will pay for the Revolution, but only you can make the decision of whether these people died in vain, or died for a cause.
Gird yourselves up with education (REAL ONES), and prepare for the fight for the future. Pray like never before. Fast like never before.
Dont forget the words of one of our nations fore fathers....
"Give me liberty or give me death!" ~Patrick Henry
sola,
Of course the GB admits they use the CID! Why wouldn't they use it? The pastors DID approve its use, lest you forget!
You have nothing more to add to the conversation, do you?
I've shot down every single one of your arguments. You didn't properly exegesis the passage in Acts, and you used it for your purposes without using context.
Even the disciples themselves narrowed down the choices before they voted for the eventual candidate to join their cause, yet you somehow find it appalling that our organization has a system in place to do the same thing.
Apoww,
Straight from the horses mouth:
Article 36
section III
Trials involving pastors, ministers in charge of a new work, evangelists, assistant pastors and ordained ministers, shall take place in meetings presided by the respective district bishop and at least two elders, and include all necessary witnesses.
tell me, WHERE does is it specify disobedience or errors?
IT DOESN'T. What we have here is a legal UMBRELLA. Check the facts, buddy.
Geez, no wonder you have a crappy job at 30. its ok though, SOMEONE has to flip burgers, right?
Apoww08
The only thing you shot was yourself in the foot. It's exegete. You did eisegesis (the process of interpretation of an existing text in such a way as to introduce one's own ideas). Another another apostolic scripture twister. The constitution is your "doctrine" and the assembly is your 'god".
Thanks apoww08.
See you at convention.
God bless the Apsotolic Assembly
your Friend
Sola,
apoww said he "shot down" all your arguments, but really all i read were one sided bulls droppings.
It reminds me of a quote in Napoleon Dynamite:
"your MOM goes to college"
lol
I stand for one:
Thank you.
We can do more than pray, but whatever we do, we can do it prayerfully.
Eventually, justice will prevail, as it always does. The more we DO, the sooner it will prevail.
Either way, the devil loses.
Yes Carlos. I know. What do we do?
M.Gallegos
I'm feeling you on your comments about the events that lead to your departure. It's good to know that you did not throw the baby out with the bathwater and leave the faith altogether, as you said others have.
It would be nice if you could encourage the brethren on your radio show to keep the faith.
The parable of the sower addresses those who fall away because of the enemy, temptation, the cares of this life and the love of money. They fall away because they have no root.
Encourage the brethren to take root in Christ, regardless of which side they're on.
M.Gallegos
Some of us here in So Cal don't have reception to your radio program.
Are you going to be kind enough to share the transcript of that show with us here on the blog?
Sola,
I misspelled a word, but you obviously knew what I meant. So, is that all you've got? that I misspelled a word?
You're shallow and simplistic in your thinking. You can't intelligently articulate an argument and you deliberately take scripture out of context to serve your purpose.
I won't be at convention, but let me know if your new wardrobe was a hit...
Carlos,
Put down the Cheetos and respond to my constitution post. Or did I stump you?
APOWW,
looks like YOUR the one distracted with cheetos! i already responded to your constitution "argument" 20 min ago! i will copy and paste.
Its ok though, i understand you have "special needs."
did mom the you the little short bus was an SUV to make you feel better?
Apoww,
Straight from the horses mouth:
Article 36
section III
Trials involving pastors, ministers in charge of a new work, evangelists, assistant pastors and ordained ministers, shall take place in meetings presided by the respective district bishop and at least two elders, and include all necessary witnesses.
tell me, WHERE does is it specify disobedience or errors?
IT DOESN'T. What we have here is a legal UMBRELLA. Check the facts, buddy.
Geez, no wonder you have a crappy job at 30. its ok though, SOMEONE has to flip burgers, right?
You Never reSPONDED to my post
ap=oww!
lol
ill post it agin though...
Skotty Will Show You said...
apoww...
you never responded to mine..
did i stump you or what???
Skotty Will Show You said...
apoww08 said...
"godis,
LOL. Nice try. First of all, "we" cant impeach the president, congress does that.
Second of all, a president can ONLY be impeached for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Not for merely disagreeing with him on a policy issue, like you imply."
-----------------------------------
Ok So Congress Consists Of Representatives....
Lets See How The U.S. Democracy Works Shall We??
1st We Have A Direct Democracy, Every Vote Counts. For MAYORS, Senators, And Representatives...
Now WE Directly Vote In OUR Congress, (they represent US...)
Are you WIth ME so FAR??
nOW my FRIEND... after we Vote For Them To Represent us... WE have NOW left Direct Democracy And Entered
REPRESENTATIVE Democracy...
OK so Our Representatives Make Up Congress... and You Stated to
GODISJUST
"LOL. Nice try. First of all, "we" cant impeach the president, congress does that."
So I Would Like To KNOW... According To You... Nor Some GOOGLED aNSWER...
Who Do The Congress Represnt...
i thought THEY represent US(the people who voted them to represent) ...
Meaning If THEY IMpeach The President... Dont THEY represnt US?
SO WE iMPEAC THE pres.. RIGHT??
and as for the president
you stated...
"Second of all, a president can ONLY be impeached for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Not for merely disagreeing with him on a policy issue, like you imply."
I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE WHERE U LIVE... I MEAN IF "fraud" Is not Considered A HIGH CRIME... geez!
July 2, 2008 9:25 PM
Skotty Will Show You said...
Would You Like A Lesson In Anything Else...?
July 2, 2008 9:28 PM
Skotty Will Show You said...
"Godly Boys"
New Slogan!
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS And Their DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
July 2, 2008 9:35 PM
July 3, 2008 12:34 AM
Carlos,
I missed it. Here's my response.
Did you happen to read Article 36, section I??? It prefices section III, and it's in the same article.
Read up and get back to me.
Apoww08
Jesus said, “making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.” (Mark 7:13)
When you argue you use underlying presuppositions. You don’t read the bible to learn what to believe. You read the bible to support what you already believe. You can thank your Assembly for that.
ApOWW i'm Waiting...
Apoww,
it reads as follows:
I. The Church recognizes our Lord Jesus Christ as the Just and Supreme Judge of all men, and knows that we will all appear before His Judgment Throne, at which time the true thoughts and acts of men will be revealed.
We also find that the Word of God authorizes the Church to bring to trial those members who are disobedient or commit errors. These trials have two objectives:
again, confirming my idea.
we have a legal umbrella. everything can be considered an error or act of disobedience.
section III merely indicates what course of action to take towards the umbrella of things a pastor can do.
AND IT WASN'T DONE, for ANY of the lynched pastors, INCLUDING willie mendoza. WHY?
again, i reiterate my point, WHY WASN'T THE CONSTITUTION FOLLOWED. Why didn't the GB follow the correct procedures in removing these pastors?
why the SELECTIVE enforcement of the constitution?
Did the CID help them here too?
does your low IQ still not allow you to see the corruption?
And apoww, why are you anonymous?
Why are you SCARED of the very organization your DEFENDING?
HAHA
give him time to
google his answer... LOL
Hola senores Felicidades que ya repararon la pagina o el Blog,Pense que ya abian quebrado como muchas companias del mundo entero.
Bueno paso a lo sigiente;Que error deberdad el haberle echo a Baldemar rodriguez lo que le Isieron Dejarlo sin Edificio.Me admira el video bien por todos los valientes que lo defendieron y estan con el.como tambien la gente de mendoza.torres.Avila.Y Los demas.
No se la quiebren tanto a los que faltan,porque los saquen de su h aaa.
juntense y caundo yegen simplemente no se salgan.
Recuerden que alla en los estados unidos mientras no aya golpes nadie puede Ir al Bote.asiesque esperense a que agan lo que ban a haser y no los dejen la mayoria gana de todas formas..
Bien por Baldemar Se mostro fuerte con decision,y Muy educado segun el video.
Pero que verguenza para su ex adorada asamblea que dirigio por tantos anos.que ridicules para su lideres haserle esto a un ex lider de su Iglesia.ni en la politica de estados unidos lo he visto.Muchomenos en mexico aqui nos han transiado los presidentes y sigen vivitos y coliando.
Fue un error Garrafal departe de sanches y su clica en haberle echo esto a rodriguez y a los demas la neta por algo que rodriguez conose como la palma de su mano.Un reclamo Uta esto no tiene nombre Sanchez.Valverde.Y Toda la bola de sus lideres.creo que ellos estan mas propensos a acompanar a Judas que ni yo o cualquier otro que no asita a ninguna Igleisa..
Bueno ahi los dejo sigo aca por guerrero un calor de la patadsa aque esta asiendo con lluvias.pero mas caliente esta en su denominacion.Saludos Sanchez..Valverde.Aguilar.Prado.Y aTodos los que conosco y conosere chansa que en el cielo o en el Infierno..que viva Mexico....Att.El Pestayo..
Escriban en espanol chavos.No sean Garras..
apoww08 said...
What part of "a judge evaluated ALL evidence and found no fraud" don't YOU understand?
Read the transcripts. The judge never said he found no fraud. He said there was nothing in the constitution to prevent fraud from occurring. They could use CID or write something down on a napkin, at Taco Bell or one of their fancy steakhouses, and use it!
No, the judge didn’t rule on fraud, he ruled on the constitution having little to no structure to support any claim.
And to Josh - CONGRATULATIONS! Children are Great!
skotty,
I don't waste my time with uninformed bloggers like yourself, but if you insist, here's my response.
In California, we have 53 representatives voted in by the "people."
If the representative for the area I live in is a die-hard liberal, he obviously WON'T be representing me, because my beliefs, morals and political philosophy differ from his own beliefs, right?
So, let's say this representative votes to impeach our current U.S. President. I'm against it, but he votes to impeach anyway.
My question to you is this. Does a representative in congress vote according to political lines, or does he take a poll and ask what the people he represents want??
Answer: he votes with his party, even if his constituents don't agree with him. That's always been the case.
Let's take Bill Clinton's impeachment. The polls at the time were AGAINST him being impeached, yet the Republican-controlled House voted to impeach him anyway. Why would they do that if the "people" were against it?
Apoww08,
i copied and pasted my response again just in case, knowing your intelligence level ;)
Apoww,
it reads as follows:
I. The Church recognizes our Lord Jesus Christ as the Just and Supreme Judge of all men, and knows that we will all appear before His Judgment Throne, at which time the true thoughts and acts of men will be revealed.
We also find that the Word of God authorizes the Church to bring to trial those members who are disobedient or commit errors. These trials have two objectives:
again, confirming my idea.
we have a legal umbrella. everything can be considered an error or act of disobedience.
section III merely indicates what course of action to take towards the umbrella of things a pastor can do.
AND IT WASN'T DONE, for ANY of the lynched pastors, INCLUDING willie mendoza. WHY?
again, i reiterate my point, WHY WASN'T THE CONSTITUTION FOLLOWED. Why didn't the GB follow the correct procedures in removing these pastors?
why the SELECTIVE enforcement of the constitution?
Did the CID help them here too?
does your low IQ still not allow you to see the corruption?
And apoww, why are you anonymous?
Why are you SCARED of the very organization your DEFENDING?
Carlos,
So, then, you're saying that your pastor committed an error or was disobedient?
dang, and you're still under his leadership?
I disagree with you. Having a difference of opinion as to the organizational structure of the Assembly that you belong to doesn't fall under the purview of Article 36, since that's not being disobedient or committing an error. It's simply that, a difference of opinion.
So You're
For DEMOCRACY...
bUT against Representative Democracy...
You Bcuz Yesterday You were Talking As though you were for Communism ... But W.e.
Not at all, I stand behind my pastor 100%. However i must point the inconsistencies in the enforcement of the constitution.
as far as your answer, basically what you are saying is "yeah, you are right but i still hold my ground"
how petty.
Thats what you say when you run out of things to say but you still want to hold on to your pride... tsk tsk tsk...
is that what they teach you at burger college? or did you have to go AA bible college for that?
Ok.. PEOPLE...
I THINK we should "Enlighten" poor Apoww and All Others That Are For THE "Godly Boys"
Should We Post all the bad things They Have DONE as A WHOLE?
OR Individually?
Bad Thing As A Whole:
#1 ... watch Video #1
#2... wATCH ... and REwatch... Keep Watching... video #2
... ant the award for the most childish, uneducated, one sided arguments goes to...
(drum roll)
APOWW08!!!
ahahahahahha!
seriously apoww,
dont try to come up in here with your GED, food handlers certificate, and application to bible college. You can't roll with the BIG DOGS!
Good Thing They DID...
INVESTIGATE The '06 Election Scandal...
Bad Thing...
They, The "Godly Boys" Investigated It Themselves... WITH THEIR OWN PEOPLE...!!!
KLU!!!
O M G ! ! ! ! ! !
i am DYING!!!!!
ROTFL!!!
Apoww... was pastor BR. . REMOVED??
YES!!
SO CHAPTER 14 SHOULD HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE "Godly Boys"!
apoww08
Do you think you won now?
Your audience thinks otherwise.
klu,
you may have to repost that in 5 min!
he can't read that fast.
poor guy.
his mom sent him to rehab cuz he was HOOKED ON PHONICS!
y de que le sirvio?
apoww,
just in case you didn't read klu's comment, ahi te va!
Blogger klu9128 said...
... ant the award for the most childish, uneducated, one sided arguments goes to...
(drum roll)
APOWW08!!!
ahahahahahha!
seriously apoww,
dont try to come up in here with your GED, food handlers certificate, and application to bible college. You can't roll with the BIG DOGS!
L O L !!!!!
ROFL
LMBO
WOW
IN YO FACE
dAAAAAAANNNNGGG!
Hola senores Felicidades que ya repararon la pagina o el Blog,Pense que ya abian quebrado como muchas companias del mundo entero.
Bueno paso a lo sigiente;Que error deberdad el haberle echo a Baldemar rodriguez lo que le Isieron Dejarlo sin Edificio.Me admira el video bien por todos los valientes que lo defendieron y estan con el.como tambien la gente de mendoza.torres.Avila.Y Los demas.
No se la quiebren tanto a los que faltan,porque los saquen de su h aaa.
juntense y caundo yegen simplemente no se salgan.
Recuerden que alla en los estados unidos mientras no aya golpes nadie puede Ir al Bote.asiesque esperense a que agan lo que ban a haser y no los dejen la mayoria gana de todas formas..
Bien por Baldemar Se mostro fuerte con decision,y Muy educado segun el video.
Pero que verguenza para su ex adorada asamblea que dirigio por tantos anos.que ridicules para su lideres haserle esto a un ex lider de su Iglesia.ni en la politica de estados unidos lo he visto.Muchomenos en mexico aqui nos han transiado los presidentes y sigen vivitos y coliando.
Fue un error Garrafal departe de sanches y su clica en haberle echo esto a rodriguez y a los demas la neta por algo que rodriguez conose como la palma de su mano.Un reclamo Uta esto no tiene nombre Sanchez.Valverde.Y Toda la bola de sus lideres.creo que ellos estan mas propensos a acompanar a Judas que ni yo o cualquier otro que no asita a ninguna Igleisa..
Bueno ahi los dejo sigo aca por guerrero un calor de la patadsa aque esta asiendo con lluvias.pero mas caliente esta en su denominacion.Saludos Sanchez..Valverde.Aguilar.Prado.Y aTodos los que conosco y conosere chansa que en el cielo o en el Infierno..que viva Mexico....Att.El Pestayo..
Escriban en espanol chavos.No sean Garras..
Hola senores Felicidades que ya repararon la pagina o el Blog,Pense que ya abian quebrado como muchas companias del mundo entero.
Bueno paso a lo sigiente;Que error deberdad el haberle echo a Baldemar rodriguez lo que le Isieron Dejarlo sin Edificio.Me admira el video bien por todos los valientes que lo defendieron y estan con el.como tambien la gente de mendoza.torres.Avila.Y Los demas.
No se la quiebren tanto a los que faltan,porque los saquen de su h aaa.
juntense y caundo yegen simplemente no se salgan.
Recuerden que alla en los estados unidos mientras no aya golpes nadie puede Ir al Bote.asiesque esperense a que agan lo que ban a haser y no los dejen la mayoria gana de todas formas..
Bien por Baldemar Se mostro fuerte con decision,y Muy educado segun el video.
Pero que verguenza para su ex adorada asamblea que dirigio por tantos anos.que ridicules para su lideres haserle esto a un ex lider de su Iglesia.ni en la politica de estados unidos lo he visto.Muchomenos en mexico aqui nos han transiado los presidentes y sigen vivitos y coliando.
Fue un error Garrafal departe de sanches y su clica en haberle echo esto a rodriguez y a los demas la neta por algo que rodriguez conose como la palma de su mano.Un reclamo Uta esto no tiene nombre Sanchez.Valverde.Y Toda la bola de sus lideres.creo que ellos estan mas propensos a acompanar a Judas que ni yo o cualquier otro que no asita a ninguna Igleisa..
Bueno ahi los dejo sigo aca por guerrero un calor de la patadsa aque esta asiendo con lluvias.pero mas caliente esta en su denominacion.Saludos Sanchez..Valverde.Aguilar.Prado.Y aTodos los que conosco y conosere chansa que en el cielo o en el Infierno..que viva Mexico....Att.El Pestayo..
Escriban en espanol chavos.No sean Garras..
v-day,
The judge did not say that "there was nothing in the constitution to prevent fraud from occurring." You're full of it.
It all boils down to this, as written by the judge in his ruling:
"Thus the primary issue in contention is: Did members of the Qualifying Committee violate the constitution by using the CID to select candidates? That is the main issue"
Then the judge ruled:
"The court finds that there is no Consitutional prohibition against members of the Qualifying Committee using the CID or any other document or guideline in considering the capabilities, qualities and rights of a nominee"
apoww08,
and AGAIN!
apoww,
just in case you didn't read klu's comment, ahi te va!
Blogger klu9128 said...
... ant the award for the most childish, uneducated, one sided arguments goes to...
(drum roll)
APOWW08!!!
ahahahahahha!
seriously apoww,
dont try to come up in here with your GED, food handlers certificate, and application to bible college. You can't roll with the BIG DOGS!
L O L !!!!!
Skotty Will Show You said...
Apoww... was pastor BR. . REMOVED??
YES!!
SO CHAPTER 14 SHOULD HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE "Godly Boys"!
July 3, 2008 11:04 AM
sola,
I'd say my audience is rather biased, wouldn't you agree?
And I'm still waiting for you to tell me how the disciples narrowed down the nominees to the final 2.
If the disciples narrowed down the choices, why shouldn't we be allowed to do the same?
apoww08
They narrowed their choices with the vote not a CID.
Come on man!
This is getting old.
So Now UR sAYING the
"Gody Boys"
ARE diysciples?!?!?!
Carlos,
I said no such thing. I don't agree with you. You're wrong in your interpretation of the constitution, and I've put you in a quandary.
Either your pastor was disobedient and in sin (and was therefore eligible for a trial, pursuant to Article 36)
OR
He had a difference of opinion with the organizational structure of the Assembly (asa evidenced by his lawsuit), triggering Article
64, and he was therefore removed, because, really, who would want to be a part of an organization you don't even agree with?
Which one is it, Carlos?
This IS about votes people...
and the INTEGRITY OF THE AA
This Whole Thing Is... WHY Accept A Man With 2 VOTES??
While MANY OTHERS who were WELL qualified According to Both The CID AND Constitution, Get Passed Up?
Hola A Tdos Ya regreso la pagina del blog.
Despidieron a uno de los hombres mas pacientes que a tenido su iglesia que gachos.que atropeyo.
Saludos a Baldemar Rodriguez.Guillermo Mendoza.Saul Avila./Abel torres Son Verdaderos Lideres senores.
echenle muchas gans.tienen toda la razon.y les recomiendo que organisen mejor una Iglesia Muy independiente sin tantos requicitos.que el tanto por ciento pa aya y luego el otro pa ca.etc quitence de esas cargas malversadas y crescan en sus nuevas metas att.El Pestayo Que VIVA mEXICO y gUERRERO..
klu,
You've yet to substantively respond to one of my posts, yet here you are calling me uneducated.
i love it when people just pile on and throw invective, yet aren't smart enough to respond with an educated post.
you're probably one of those people that loves to take a peek when you drive by an accident in the freeway, right? You weren't there for the actual accident, yet you love to come in at the end to see what happened.
sola,
Wrong answer. The Bible doesn't say that. It says that they cast lots AFTER they narrowed the choices down.
Nowhere does it say that they "voted" to narrow down the choices to the final two.
In other words, the disciples had their own version of the CID.
BTW apoww... quit using words that you see in movies...
what you just go around all day saying... HMmm im in such a quandary right now...
hahaha
WICH U ARE MR/MRS/MS!
YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A quandary... RIGHT???
ARE YOU STARTING to doubt the "Godly Boys"?
are you starting to Dout The Integrity Of The AA??
YOU find yourself IN A DILEMMA of your own... don't YOU?
Which* LOl knew u'd see it!
Apoww08
Read the scripture with clear a mind . Not an Apostolic one. They proposed two (qualified). Why would they propose two if they weren’t qualified. They were qualified before the prayer and the vote. The CID qualifies (or disqualifies) after the vote. Against the biblical system.
Skotty Will Show You said...
This IS about votes people...
and the INTEGRITY OF THE AA
This Whole Thing Is... WHY Accept A Man With 2 VOTES??
While MANY OTHERS who were WELL qualified According to Both The CID AND Constitution, Get Passed Up?
July 3, 2008 11:21 AM
skotty,
You don't realize how childish you sound when you use CAPS off and on in your posts, do you?
It's like you want to make a point, but you're not sure if we'll catch it, so you CAPITALIZE the word just to make sure.. c'mon man, this ain't 4th grade.
Use it once in a while to make a point, but not in EVERY SINGLE BLOG!
Skotty,
I got a good song for u
This is from the True Enemy
I'm rollin' thunder, pourin' rain
I'm comin' on like a hurricane
White lightnin's flashin' across the sky
You're only young, but you're gonna die!
Won't take no prisoners
Won't spare no lives
Nobody's puttin' up a fight
I got my Bell I'm gonna take you to Hell
I'm gonna get you
Yeah get YOU!
Y'all might be playing, but the devil ain't playin' around. Let's not forget who the true enemy is, Brothers.
APOWW,
Neither.
Now i will ask you a question.
Did they break article 36 out of spite or revenge?
apoww08 said...
You're full of it.
Full of the truth maybe. Read your own post:
there is no Consitutional prohibition against members of the Qualifying Committee using the CID or any other document
That's exactly what I said!!!
u didnt answer me ... but W.E.
hahahah
Why Do YOU BRING up the FOURTH grade???
Seriously....what happened to "henry" errr... Hank the Da Tank?
I guess he couldn't deal with some public scrutiny himself.
Oh well...Mr Tank...I am almost done with my report...and when I am done, I'll be mailing first class to your Pastor and all the GB members individually.
Then If they feel that there false things said about there personal life's they'll be suing you for slander.
and to my knowledge...they are 1-0 with lawsuits right now...so next time you think you are just going to dump on people in the name of "Freedom of speech" think again.
Now that your entire church knows who you are and your Southern District...Can I steal the name "Justice" or "Justice is served"?
Maybe there shouldn't be a general board. This just allows for the ones that are voted in to have heads as big as a blimp.
Churches need to go back to the WORD and accomplish the things God has instructed us to do on earth!What ever happened to soul winning, pasion for the lost, doing whatever it takes!? There should just be pastors in individual churches. Its sad but we may see strong churches become their own out of the AA. God Bless.
"theword"
True..no one is requiring you stay in the org...you may leave at any time you feel neccessary..just do it quietly...respectfully...and with a little class..
A general board is good to have.
A PAID general board that serves themselves is detrimental to the organization it is supposed to serve.
Even worse when the vote themselves into office!
FREEDOM OF SPEECH ON THE INTERNET...
In a rare 9-0 decision, the Supreme Court extended the full protection of the First Amendment to the Internet in Reno v. ACLU, a decision which struck down portions of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, a law intended to outlaw so-called "indecent" online communication (that is, nonobscene material protected by the First Amendment.) The court's decision identified the Internet as a "free speech zone," and extended the same Constitutional protections given to books, magazines, films, and spoken expression to materials published on the Internet.
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So Go Ahead And Do your
Dirty Deeds... Done Dirt Cheap...
For your "Godly Boys"
The Miller test is the United States Supreme Court's test for determining whether speech or expression can be labeled obscene, in which case it is not protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and can be prohibited.
The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California.[1] It has three parts:
Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[2] specifically defined by applicable state law,
Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. (This is also known as the (S)LAPS test- [Serious] Literary, Artistic, Political, Scientific).
The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied.
Quote Gallegos
"They did this!
They divided the church of God!
They were unethical!
They committed this act of wrong to the church!"
snoopyd:
nope im not one of the j sisters, they have too much to do to be on here here fearlessly blogging...
i guess it failed u this time...
so since you dont know me, i believe everything you said in the previous blog postings were lies, because since you dont know me how can you love me...
i just have a question?
and you can keep guessing who i am...
i think you were one of the few people that were really close to me at one point, is it true?
and another one are u a guy or a girl??
sola,
I've done as you've asked, and I've read the scripture with a clear mind and have come with the same conclusions.
The only mistake you made is that you say that "The CID qualifies (or disqualifies) after the vote."
That's wrong. After the nominees are narrowed down by the QC, the pastors then get to vote again for their choice as their leaders, and whomever gets the majority vote wins.
What's your beef with that? Isn't the pastor's voice heard?
Apoww08,
Ok so your saying that the one with the most votes wins!?
I personally Find It Hillarious, How The AA and The "Godly Boys" Have Asked Their "Current" Members To Stay Off This Blog, Yet there are still some on here DEFENDING the "Godly Boys"
DOIN their Dirty Work... eh?
dirty deeds done dirty cheap
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP
DIRTY DEEDS and THEY'RE DONE DRIT CHEAP!
Apoww
OK
That's wrong. After the nominees are narrowed down by the QC, the pastors then get to vote again for their choice as their leaders, and whomever gets the majority vote wins.
What's your beef with that? Isn't the pastor's voice heard?
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So now ur saying the AA IS a Democracy???
apoww08
You just answered your own question. 'They get to vote again". They vote again after the GB has elimated the one they wanted. What if I want to vote for someone who has been eliminated.
In addition, the disciples prayed for the one the Lord had chosen.
I sure hope he isn't the one the CID eliminated.
So, if I follow what you are saying, 400 or 600 pastors voting for one person are out of the will of God? and the self serving disqualifying board's candidate receiving 2 votes is victorious because the DB are Godly so their 'super-duper delegate' votes are the only ones that really count?
WOW, that could really cause some trouble!
cantwejustgetalong,
I Believe That SINCE you are putting together a report... why dont you give a report to the "Godly Boys" About ALL the AA members That Are Taking Part Of THIS blog.. such as yourself???
you are GOING AGAINST their Will!
I would Watch Out If I were YOu...
those "Godly BOys" DONT play around with ppl that go against them...
But then again ur Prob Working for them....
ONCE AGAIN...
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS And Their DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
Anyone that actually thinks their votes counted.
The DGB staged the entire show. There isn't anyone that can stop them. They knew it, the judge validated it. Now there is still isn't anyone that can stop them.
There's no need to argue over the votes, THEY DON'T COUNT!!!!
The only way to restore order is to have the entire ministerial body meet and have an open election. And let the positions be UNPAID. Then GOD will decide by lot.
hahah unpaid... lol
then the entire
"Godly Boys" entourage Would Prob... MOST lIKELY leave HAHAHAHAHAHA
But great point
R4J will try to work on that...
We Need An Open Discussion NOW!
Convention '08 is too far away...
Think About It "Godly Boys"
Wouldnt it be alot EASIER to HAVE and openly Recorded Meeting With All Ministers Now??
Or YOU could... WAit for Convention '08... Which will prob Recieve NATIONAL media Coverage...
UP TO yOU "Godly Boys"
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS And Their DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
You Know Our E-MAIL...
REVOLUTIONARIES4JUSTICE@HOTMAIL.COM
Daniel Sanchez has a disease called: dementia. He forgot that he is a man and not God. It's time to impeach the Board Of Directors. Our churches were dedicated to our Lord Jesus Christ and not to the Board Of Directors. May God have mercy on Daniel Sanchez and his henchmen.
Nothing is hidden from God, he has ears and eyes. He knows all that is going on. Keep praying we do have the Victory.
Godknows&youknow2 said...
. . .It's time to impeach the Board Of Directors . . .
Sorry, That's one of those gaping holes in the constitution. There is no provision for impeachment.
The most important quality on the spiritual path is courage," said Gandhi.
The world seems threatening and dangerous to cowards. They seek the false security of a life with no major challenges and arm themselves to the teeth in order to defend what they think they possess. Cowards end up making the bars of their own prison.
The warrior of the light projects his thoughts beyond the horizon. He knows that if he does not do anything for the world, no one else will.
So he fights the Good Fight and he helps others, even though he does not quite understand why.
Taken from: Warrior Of The Light
Paulo Coelho - Page 118
M.Callegos
did u get kicked out of the AA???!?
2 apoww08...
if you are who you make yourself 2 be, then read the court transcript very slow and take in the ruling. judge hayashima said the following with regards 2 the cid: the court finds that the cid was not incorporated into the constitution by way of an amendment. thus the primary issue in contention is: did the members of the qualifying committee violate the constitution by using the cid to select candidates? That is the main issue.
the cid is the main issue and he never went back 2 address it. the cid never went through the legal process per article 75 of the aa's constitution, therefore, the cid is still the main issue!
i'll wait 4 your reply
Scottywillshowyou,
Your video is nothing but trash.
Full of lies and deceit.
It’s there for all to see and reasonable people that watch it are disgusted.
You feel so proud of your video and it makes you feel important and like a hero, but it’s pathetic. In that video so can see your carnality and rebellion.
1. You and all the people that made a fuss, rebelled against all authority established by God. Against the Elder who was there and was elected by majority of the pastors in the Sector, against the Bishop who was there and elected by the District pastors, Against the Bishop President who was there and was elected by the majority of the pastors in the assembly. You rebelled against them and disrespected them. Following someone who also rebelled.
2. Your video is full of lies: You say you were kicked out but the video shows you and everyone who left walked out on their own. (if you would have put away the camera you could stay there but chose not to).
3. You say you were kicked out of a service when this was a meeting for members only.
4. You’re astonished that they asked non baptized people to leave, how dumb to expect souls to be in a meeting where the pastor is going to be removed.
5. In your video Baldemar Rodriguez said he was removed for asking a question, that’s a lie, he was removed for suing the assembly and rebelling against authority.
6. In your video someone said that most of the people that stayed was because they were offered positions or monetary compensation. This is a lie from hell.
7. In your video one of the Rodriguez girls said all the people that stayed, “none of them pay their tithes” this is another lie from hell.
8. Another man insulted the pastors calling them cowards, no where in the Bible does any Christian or godly person insult their authority even if authority was wrong (which I’m not saying they were wrong in this case). On the contrary the Bible teaches that if you resist authority you resist God.
9. How disgusting when a former Dorca’s District Pres. disrespects a minister of God by calling him a traitor and you tell her to repeat it.
10. In the video you harass decent people coming in the meeting to hear what was to be said.
You proud because you say you showed the truth but it shows lies and rebellion
Scottywillshowyou,
Your video is nothing but trash.
Full of lies and deceit.
It’s there for all to see and reasonable people that watch it are disgusted.
You feel so proud of your video and it makes you feel important and like a hero, but it’s pathetic. In that video so can see your carnality and rebellion.
1. You and all the people that made a fuss, rebelled against all authority established by God. Against the Elder who was there and was elected by majority of the pastors in the Sector, against the Bishop who was there and elected by the District pastors, Against the Bishop President who was there and was elected by the majority of the pastors in the assembly. You rebelled against them and disrespected them. Following someone who also rebelled.
2. Your video is full of lies: You say you were kicked out but the video shows you and everyone who left walked out on their own. (if you would have put away the camera you could stay there but chose not to).
3. You say you were kicked out of a service when this was a meeting for members only.
4. You’re astonished that they asked non baptized people to leave, how dumb to expect souls to be in a meeting where the pastor is going to be removed.
5. In your video Baldemar Rodriguez said he was removed for asking a question, that’s a lie, he was removed for suing the assembly and rebelling against authority.
6. In your video someone said that most of the people that stayed was because they were offered positions or monetary compensation. This is a lie from hell.
7. In your video one of the Rodriguez girls said all the people that stayed, “none of them pay their tithes” this is another lie from hell.
8. Another man insulted the pastors calling them cowards, no where in the Bible does any Christian or godly person insult their authority even if authority was wrong (which I’m not saying they were wrong in this case). On the contrary the Bible teaches that if you resist authority you resist God.
9. How disgusting when a former Dorca’s District Pres. disrespects a minister of God by calling him a traitor and you tell her to repeat it.
10. In the video you harass decent people coming in the meeting to hear what was to be said.
You proud because you say you showed the truth but it shows lies and rebellion
What is the big hush hush meeting taking place on July 22
2 the blogmaster... this section needs maintenance. start a new section because these hits are 2 many
i LOVE how you Posted It Twice...
Btw were you there???
It was WRONG FOR THEM TO KICK OUT THE BAPTIZED MEMBER!
YOU KNOW THAT AND I KNOW THAT!
The Door To THE bUILDING WAS NOT SHUT until AFTER THEY HERDED US out LIKE ANIMALS!
Where In The Bible Does it say to "treat others like animals?"
Where In the Bible Does it say
"The gb Is Allowed To Kick OUt Members of the church..."
Im sorry Maybe I offend you when i say Kicked out...
HOW about
EX-COMMUNICATING???
IS THAT BETTER?
anyone out there?
to apoww08
Thanks for bringin balance to this blog. Please keep doing a good job.
My Video is trash.. isnt it...
Trash Because it shows the truth
Trash Because it shows the True Spirit of the gb
Trash Because it Shows RAW EMOTIONS
Trash Because it Affects Every1
Trash Because YOU DONT LIKE IT
Trash Because YOU CANT DENY WHAT HAPPENED!
Trash Because YOU WISH IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Trash Because YOU WISH YOU NEVER SEEN IT.
Trash Because They Were Not Supposed to Rise Agaisnt
Trash Because They Stood up For WHAT is RIGHT!
Trash Becasue YOU CHOOSE NOT to ACCEPT IT...
-SKOTTY
Skotty I seen your video and I thought the anti-christ reached Cali
Skotty I seen your video and I thought the anti-christ reached Cali
from jUST a Voice?
My Video is trash.. isnt it...
Trash Because it shows the truth
Trash Because it shows the True Spirit of the gb
Trash Because it Shows RAW EMOTIONS
Trash Because it Affects Every1
Trash Because YOU DONT LIKE IT
Trash Because YOU CANT DENY WHAT HAPPENED!
Trash Because YOU WISH IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Trash Because YOU WISH YOU NEVER SEEN IT.
Trash Because They Were Not Supposed to Rise Agaisnt
Trash Because They Stood up For WHAT is RIGHT!
Trash Becasue YOU CHOOSE NOT to ACCEPT IT...
-SKOTTY
July 3, 2008 2:03 PM
It is A reality PEOPLE!
No from the video, it looked like I was seeing something from a 3rd world country, asking everyone to leave and none of the men standing behind the pulpit seems like they did not care, my heart was broken to see everyone in the park after bro baldermar said that he was not for what the gb is doing.
ok cooL loL
NEXT time specify.. HAHA
JK
but yeah people keep saying these videos are not right...
but they dont realize the only reason they feel that they are not right is because of the emotions captured...
it really was hard to swallow after what I saw...
Any idea what the July 22 gb meeting is about?
Can't Give Away N e Of My Sources
but
Apparently
It IS an EMERGENCY meeting,
Where They Will Kick Out The Remaining Pastors In A Group...
but this is just speculation...
Skotty, has it been said that all the pastors of the AA could sign a letter and demand some one out of office?
The Constitution is
TOOO Hole-y...
I would like to comment on what factsonly wrote.
The reason why people have a hard time believeing/accepting what they viewed on the video is that it is hard to accept that the gb is capable of doing what it is being accussed of doing. Many people think that what is being shown/written is somehow being exaggerated by a group of people.
Let me make one thing clear. I do not know skottywillshowyou, nor do I know anyone from Bro. Baldemar's congregation.
When I viewed the video from Bro. Baldemar's church, I for one never doubted any of it. When the gb came to remove Bro. Mendoza we endured the same thing. The congregation did not provoke the gb. We did not walk out. We sat there and listen while Sam Valverde spoke. He did not say much. He stated that he was given a job to do, and that he was going to do that job. He also said that there were others he had to do. Simple as that, it was over. Bro. Mendoza had been pastoring the 1st church of Houston for 26 years. He held many positions within the district. We were not given a reason as to why he was removed. Sam tried to say that because of his age, yet at the same time he said that Bro. Mendoza could be an evangelist. Bro. Mendoza could go and preach at various churches throughout the assembly. That makes no sense. Is the guy too old or not? No, he isn't.
For the gb to take pastors away from their churches because they dared to question the election is silly. The only message sent out with these tactics is DO NOT QUESTION THE GB OR ELSE. In my opinion the gb handled the whole situation wrong from the beginning. If they had done their job as leaders it would not have gotten this far. Instead the gb chose to cover their wrong doing. Personally, it is not hard to believe that some gb is capable of doing wrong. We are all human. The wrong was in the continually deceiving and retaliation tactics.
For someone to say that this video footage didn't happen or in some way was staged tells me that you do not know first hand what the gb is capable of. From time to time I read your comments, it is clear to me that many of you have no clue as to what is going on. It is one thing to have an opinion of something, it is another thing to live it.
We can sit here and talk to trash to each other, but that doesn't change a thing. I believe this is a good avenue to inform each other. Do the research. Find out for yourself. Let's not cut each other down any longer.
justice,
You're right that the CID is the main issue, but you're wrong when you say that the judge didn't address it further.
Read carefully:
"The court finds that there is no Consitutional prohibition against members of the Qualifying Committee using the CID or any other document or guideline in considering the capabilities, qualities and rights of a nominee"
What part of the court's ruling don't you understand?
STRONG ... IF YOU WERE THERE AND YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE AA...
WHY DO YOU GO AGAINST THE "Godly Boys"
AND CONTINUE TO WRITE ON THIS BLOG?
its a simple question... needing only a simple answer...
Carlos,
Man, take off your blinders. Nobody broke article 36, because that was not at issue at all, unless you contend that your pastor was in sin and disobedient.
I contend otherwise.
pethach!
preach it brother PREACH IT!!!!
I LIVED IT ... YOU LIVED IT...
You cannot DeNY what their Actions
were...
My Video is trash.. isnt it...
Trash Because it shows the truth
Trash Because it shows the True Spirit of the gb
Trash Because it Shows RAW EMOTIONS
Trash Because it Affects Every1
Trash Because YOU DONT LIKE IT
Trash Because YOU CANT DENY WHAT HAPPENED!
Trash Because YOU WISH IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Trash Because YOU WISH YOU NEVER SEEN IT.
Trash Because They Were Not Supposed to Rise Agaisnt
Trash Because They Stood up For WHAT is RIGHT!
Trash Becasue YOU CHOOSE NOT to ACCEPT IT...
I'll Finish On some thoughts of the gb...
They did this!
They divided the church of God!
They were unethical!
They committed this act of wrong to the church!
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
DIRTY DEEDS And Their DONE DIRT CHEAP!!
-SKOTTY
July 3, 2008 2:03 PM
July 3, 2008 2:11 PM
What About Chapter 14... WASNT IT IGNORED ENTIRELY???
Here’s the latest big lie from the AA leadership:
Quote: Apostolicassembly.org website:
(For Press Release Dated June 27, 2008)
“Regarding the election lawsuit, the Judge issued a final ruling on April 3, 2008, specifically stating:”
“It is extremely unfortunate that there is misinformation being spread about the court decision. It is true that the plaintiffs may appeal this ruling if they wish. AAFCJ has not been informed of an appeal at this time.”
Quote ‘STIPULATION TO DISMISS’ found on Apostolicassembly.info:
(Document dated May 30, 2008)
“WHEREFORE, the Parties hereby stipulate that this matter is dismissed in its entirety with prejudice solely for the purpose of facilitating an appeal following the adverse resolution of a critical issue. Assuming Plaintiffs timely file their notice of appeal, Defendants will not challenge any aspect of jurisdiction on appeal, and specifically will not argue that (l) the Order was not final or otherwise appealable; and/or (2) that Plaintiffs do not have the right to appeal the Order at this time. The Parties will bear their own costs incurred to date.
IT IS SO STIPULATED.”
Pethach I was there as well when Valverde took the pulpit and everyone went in an up roar, then after the service everyone started looting the church that was really sad
Hhahaha Nice FIND...
so with their Press Release...
Why Dont They Explain Why They KICKED these Pastors OUT????
what do they have to hide??? right?
Its Not LOOTING if you are taking what is yours...
Looting your right but when it is not yours that is when it is wrong, the funny thing is the next morning there was a hugh garage sale in the church parking lot and everything was sold and the hermanos took the cash to bro mendoza's new location approximately $10K was made at the garage sale
Lol
well thats $10K that the "Godly Boys" And Their Entourage Wont Get Their Hands ON... lol
atleast the money went to a greater cause..
Correction: The so called up roar you are talking about was in support of Bro Mendoza refusing the so called retirement. The items taken were the items which belong to the individual members which they have receipts to back it up. Did you forget this so called looting happened under the watchful eyes of the GB?
This just in! Sources notified me:
The police are going to begin to investigate this blog due to the fact of numerous death threats against the videographer. Apparently other bloggers got together on this.
These threats are considered "Terroist Threats"!
Such as this one:
"
snoopyd said...
Skotty,
I got a good song for u
This is from the True Enemy
I'm rollin' thunder, pourin' rain
I'm comin' on like a hurricane
White lightnin's flashin' across the sky
You're only young, but you're gonna die!
Won't take no prisoners
Won't spare no lives
Nobody's puttin' up a fight
I got my Bell I'm gonna take you to Hell
I'm gonna get you
Yeah get YOU!
Y'all might be playing, but the devil ain't playin' around. Let's not forget who the true enemy is, Brothers.
July 3, 2008 11:34 AM"
You can't say you weren't warned and no one can hide behind names or IP addresses changers!
Good Luck fellow bloggers!
apoww08 said...
justice,
You're right that the CID is the main issue, but you're wrong when you say that the judge didn't address it further.
What part of the court's ruling don't you understand?
I think apoww08 (A Poor Old Withered Woman 08) can't get off of the court's ruling. Mainly because SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT!!!
The CID didn't have anything to do with this election. If it did, you would not be able to justify two vote Eddie's qualifications.
"If you cannot recognize that in your own video it is clrearly seen that YOU WERE NOT PUSHED OR SHOVED OUT!!!!!!!!!! Then it confirms my point exactly we are dealing with a whole bunch of inmature people with nothing better to do."
As SOON AS The man Speaking asked for no cameras, you see an usher come in to frame... what YOU dont SEE but Others Witnessed...was it was not jsut that usher around me...
There Were 3-5 Ushers Trying to Reach Me To Pull ME out... but i was towards the center of the Bench, And The Henchmen Arent THAT slim... so They waited as soon as BR walks out the ushers crowd the center of the aisle, you can see them walking back and forth, they go to the front to take out anybody that wants to stay... didnt you see the bro. that came up to sis Rodriguez... He WAS SHOCKED that she told him that she had a right to be there...
They HERDED US OUT LIKE SHEEP...
But its ok... believe what you want to... cuz the camera didnt show that... and it didnt see the people being mocked by those who stayed... and it didnt see PEOPLE CALLING THE YOUTH BACKSLIDERS...
but its ok Brother
Keep Defending the "Godly Boys"
Maybe You Will Not Have TO go through what the people in that church went through..
just know you are in my prayers... because honestly i wish the ACTIONS OF THE "Godly Boys" and their ENTOURAGE Against NOBODY!
good bye?
to apoww08...
"The court finds that there is no Consitutional prohibition against members of the Qualifying Committee using the CID or any other document or guideline in considering the capabilities, qualities and rights of a nominee"
the court said that the qualifying committe could have used "snow white and the 7 dwarfs" for that matter and that would have been ok but in this case the cid is still not constitutional nor would snow white and the 7 dwarfs because it did not go through the legal process. the pastors at the 05 convention were blinded by their presentation of the cid and voted on it without paying attention to the process. sanchez rammed it up the pastor's face and they did not even realize what they had voted on.
well here is a twist i know that there is law suit against his grandson to recover some of the money and I also know that he is on probation. so the gb may slaughter him if he does not cough it up
"If you cannot recognize that in your own video it is clrearly seen that YOU WERE NOT PUSHED OR SHOVED OUT!!!!!!!!!! Then it confirms my point exactly we are dealing with a whole bunch of inmature people with nothing better to do."
As SOON AS The man Speaking asked for no cameras, you see an usher come in to frame... what YOU dont SEE but Others Witnessed...was it was not jsut that usher around me...
There Were 3-5 Ushers Trying to Reach Me To Pull ME out... but i was towards the center of the Bench, And The Henchmen Arent THAT slim... so They waited as soon as BR walks out the ushers crowd the center of the aisle, you can see them walking back and forth, they go to the front to take out anybody that wants to stay... didnt you see the bro. that came up to sis Rodriguez... He WAS SHOCKED that she told him that she had a right to be there...
They HERDED US OUT LIKE SHEEP...
But its ok... believe what you want to... cuz the camera didnt show that... and it didnt see the people being mocked by those who stayed... and it didnt see PEOPLE CALLING THE YOUTH BACKSLIDERS...
but its ok Brother
Keep Defending the "Godly Boys"
Maybe You Will Not Have TO go through what the people in that church went through..
just know you are in my prayers... because honestly i wish the ACTIONS OF THE "Godly Boys" and their ENTOURAGE Against NOBODY
apostolic insider that is correct the up roar was in support of bro mendoza, and when the gb left they did not see the looting or the garage sale as valverde said I came to do one thing he did it and left the building. I just do not understand as to why he turned down a sweet deal the bro is 85 years old let me ask you the financial retirement plan offered to bro mendoza why did he not take it, he was offered $100K up front and a for life $2.5K a monthly income
Our Pastors ARE taking a stand
BR said it BEST
when he told The "Godly Boys"
"I am NOT your Gold Coin!"
Ok people I'm back! I will try to get the interview recorded (unlike the gb) and I will get it to you asap!
In response to the question if I was Kicked out/ex-out or what ever the answer is NO...I left by my own free will,however things were said and some people did think I was ex-communicated, but hey two tears in a bucket!
Skotty, the video does show when Bro. Salazar told that sister and you, that you could'nt be there...She told him Bro. Salazar dont be such a trader you were a part of us.
He could'nt even look you guys in the eyes! Hes a coward!
They did this!
They divided the church!
They hurt the people of God!
They did this wrong!
They lied to 400+ pastors!
They made fools of themselves!
You want healing, then you must step down! Otherwise we will not stop!
God did not give us a spirit of fear! But he gave us a spirit of power!
"Terrorist Threats Right"?
A.S.Soldier said...
Careful Skotty, there's plenty of faithful members left. Don't let me find you.
July 1, 2008 11:30 PM
A.S.Soldier said...
Better hope we dont find you skotty. Sum1 that knows who's been holding the camera's gonna talk.
July 1, 2008 11:31 PM
HAHAH YEAHHHH bOIIII!!!!
GO GALLEGOS!
How 'bout dem apples?
to texasranger...
"apostolic insider that is correct the up roar was in support of bro mendoza, and when the gb left they did not see the looting or the garage sale as valverde said I came to do one thing he did it and left the building. I just do not understand as to why he turned down a sweet deal the bro is 85 years old let me ask you the financial retirement plan offered to bro mendoza why did he not take it, he was offered $100K up front and a for life $2.5K a monthly income"
what you are not writing is that that offered was only good if he turned over the property rights to the florence day care which is under a.b.c. and not the aa. kudos to pastor mendoza for that smart move in spite of his age.
these guys care more about properties than for people
They did this!
They divided the church!
They hurt the people of God!
They did this wrong!
They lied to 400+ pastors!
They made fools of themselves!
You want healing, then you must step down! Otherwise we will not stop!
God did not give us a spirit of fear! But he gave us a spirit of power!
Step down now!
Step down now!
We wont stop!
We cannot be stoped!
This is about you lie!
This is about the mockery you made of 400+ pastors!
Pastors and ministers dont be intimidated by this mafia style leadership! You've come too far, your churches will follow you!
Its about whats right!
If God be for us, then he is not with them!
They did the wrong!
They lied!
Scottywillshowyou,
Your video is nothing but trash.
Full of lies and deceit.
It’s there for all to see and reasonable people that watch it are disgusted.
You feel so proud of your video and it makes you feel important and like a hero, but it’s pathetic. In that video so can see your carnality and rebellion.
1. You and all the people that made a fuss, rebelled against all authority established by God. Against the Elder who was there and was elected by majority of the pastors in the Sector, against the Bishop who was there and elected by the District pastors, Against the Bishop President who was there and was elected by the majority of the pastors in the assembly. You rebelled against them and disrespected them. Following someone who also rebelled.
2. Your video is full of lies: You say you were kicked out but the video shows you and everyone who left walked out on their own. (if you would have put away the camera you could stay there but chose not to).
3. You say you were kicked out of a service when this was a meeting for members only.
4. You’re astonished that they asked non baptized people to leave, how dumb to expect souls to be in a meeting where the pastor is going to be removed.
5. In your video Baldemar Rodriguez said he was removed for asking a question, that’s a lie, he was removed for suing the assembly and rebelling against authority.
6. In your video someone said that most of the people that stayed was because they were offered positions or monetary compensation. This is a lie from hell.
7. In your video one of the Rodriguez girls said all the people that stayed, “none of them pay their tithes” this is another lie from hell.
8. Another man insulted the pastors calling them cowards, no where in the Bible does any Christian or godly person insult their authority even if authority was wrong (which I’m not saying they were wrong in this case). On the contrary the Bible teaches that if you resist authority you resist God.
9. How disgusting when a former Dorca’s District Pres. disrespects a minister of God by calling him a traitor and you tell her to repeat it.
10. In the video you harass decent people coming in the meeting to hear what was to be said.
You proud because you say you showed the truth but it shows lies and rebellion.
Ahab has been seduced by jezabel!
Elijah stay strong, the LORD has Prophets who have not worshiped Baal!!!!!!
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