AV
- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
*Not 2006 Election related
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Pachueco is looking for a yacht. Do you think he'll allow his members to join him?
Maybe he'll allow his doctors and lawyers to go - for a fee.
After all, it is hard work scamming that much money!
Pachueco forces his members to contribute each month - besides tithes and offerings - they must complete a 'personal' fundraiser that generates no less than $100 EACH!
Modernpreacher,
yea what you said reminds me of what you are doing with the AA and the GB.
tagging on to coat tails indeed.
i think "puppet" was the term used for you earlier. My, how appropriate.
Carlos,
You're probably vacationing in your couch at home, that's my point. For someone that's talking a big game regarding your income and vacation time, you're probably home eating a bag of Cheetos and wasting away your "vacation" in these blogs. How sad.
So which Bank of America do you work for?
Oh, and by the way,
it's "inquiring" minds, not whatever it is you wrote.
Oye jovenes, quentame mas del "contingency plan" que tienen. Es posible bajo la reglas que tiene la asamblea? y dime el lugar y fecha de su convencion?
Modern Preacher,
I'll think of your church as the elite then, or the "untouchables," but as for the rest of the congregations in the AA, what are they?--Just cattle?--because it sounds like they're not considered your "fellow brethren, huh?"
El Secreto
The Bishop committed adultery.
Why is he still Bishop?
No morals...
what bishop?
apow
Well, actually the Lord couldn't have given a better week for vacationing. Our new church is in need of a lot of help, and that is what i am doing.
I never said i worked for BofA so either that was a lucky guess or you know me. Which isn't a problem. I am not keeping my identity a secret. anyone that asks who i am, i will tell them.
to answer your question i work in corona.
now i was polite enough to answer your question and now you answer mine.
Why does that matter? who are you?
DIVINE STRENGTH WORSHIP CENTER ROCKS!!
THEY HAD AN AMAZING SERVICE YESTERDAY, OVER 200 PPL SHOWED UP AND SHOWED THEIR SUPPORT.
THE CHOIR ALSO SANG AND THEIR YOUTH CONSISTS OF 24+ PPL...THE LORD IS USING THEM IN A GREAT WAY AND THEY HAVE MADE A GREAT IMPACT IN MY LIFE AND AS WELL AS ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS THERE.
HOW MANY OF YOU ARE READY FOR THE REVIVAL THATS GOING TO HAPPEN?
I KNOW I AM
BLESSINGS!!
I_STAND_4_ONE
Wait! I am waiting for the description of the contingency plan! Do share...
yeah we are all waiting for the contingency plan.
apow,
your cowardly silence says it all.
god bless you.
CONTIGENCY PLAN!
CONTIGENCY PLAN!
CONTIGENCY PALN!
RA! RA! RA!
Ask the present Bishops wife. She knows.
miralos, el obispo sanchez y su mesa directiva les cortaron la novia en dos pedasos.
viva la plan se mascareno. es una plan de seguridad. es una plan que sanchez y su mesa no pueden meter sus manos en las propiadades ni tampoco su fondos.
a mascareno, sanchez y compania no tiene control. es mas seguro pas vivir en libertad.
To all the AA Constitution Scholars in here.
Can one of you please explain what article, ammendment, paragraph was violated to deem rightful justification to take out the plaintiffs from PASTORSHIP?
Please don't give me any tuarine on that they placed a lawsuit.
I want justifiable constitutional violation to be removed from pastorship.
Preaching false doctrine, stop paying 10% of 10%, not agreeing w/ organizational structure, not fullfilling pastoral requirements at the local level are justified. But asking for an investigation by impartial seasoned men is not justified.
Please respond wisely and informative.
i ask AGAIN!
WHICH bishop?!!
no es que me guste el chisme. No Mas me gusta estar BIEN informado.
i ask AGAIN!
WHICH bishop?!!
no es que me guste el chisme. No Mas me gusta estar BIEN informado.
Sad news , Pastor Salomons, church has had the locks changed.
ONCE AGAIN!!!
BlogMASTER/Moderator...
is there any way to
DISABLE!!! DELETION OF COMMENTS??
COWARDS KEEP DELETING WHAT THEY SAY...
WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF??
El Bishop de la mesa directiva -
amigo de Pacheco.
malverde?
ese sanchez esta portando como los pastores en afganistan. y esta manejando nuestra iglesia como si era un grupo de talibanes.
quentame la fecha de su convencion?
The new ministry in the AA
LOCKSMITH
I guess they're going to invent a quota for that ministry also
launika,
i feel your pain. right now it is the time unite. we are praying for you.
Just lime religion to do everything in the name of God.
9/11 in the name of ALLAH
Spanish Inquisition in the name of God
Salem witch trials in the name of God
Jim Jones in the name of God
polygamists in the name of God
What the GB has done in name of God
stop using God's name in vain please
I meant just like religion.....sorry
Thanks, its really sad, this hits close to my heart I was born and raised under Salomon and to see this happen is crazy. We've lost our focus, its about saving lost souls, but seems like we need to save ourselves first!
Que paso con el amor ya amistad? Its about "power" money is the root of all evil
whoo! ZAPATA, AMEN!
let me just scam some people in the name of Jesus. hahaha!
LaUnica said...
The only way the locks were changed would be if Pastor Salomon changed them.
The AA doesn't own their building!!
DGB can't touch them!!!
klu
It's very interesting to know how familiar you are about the insights of the AA.
Tell me who are you? How are you associated with the GB? Or are you prophetic.
So now Arlington, Riverside, 1 & 2 Pomona, Chino. Wow for you to come out and say this you must be very sure about this.
Of course you are certain klu never lies right?
Before you come out and assure things on this blog please confirm.
You are only adding more to the chaos that is already unfolding in the AA! Or are you no longer part of the AA?
You contradict yourself alot.
Oh and now Bro Galarza out of Riverside? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Need I say more.
klu
It's very interesting to know how familiar you are about the insights of the AA.
Tell me who are you? How are you associated with the GB? Or are you prophetic.
So now Arlington, Riverside, 1 & 2 Pomona, Chino. Wow for you to come out and say this you must be very sure about this.
Of course you are certain klu never lies right?
Before you come out and assure things on this blog please confirm.
You are only adding more to the chaos that is already unfolding in the AA! Or are you no longer part of the AA?
You contradict yourself alot.
Oh and now Bro Galarza out of Riverside? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Need I say more.
klu
It's very interesting to know how familiar you are about the insights of the AA.
Tell me who are you? How are you associated with the GB? Or are you prophetic.
So now Arlington, Riverside, 1 & 2 Pomona, Chino. Wow for you to come out and say this you must be very sure about this.
Of course you are certain klu never lies right?
Before you come out and assure things on this blog please confirm.
You are only adding more to the chaos that is already unfolding in the AA! Or are you no longer part of the AA?
You contradict yourself alot.
Oh and now Bro Galarza out of Riverside? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Need I say more.
pues, si la mesa directiva les gusta cerrar la iglesia de pomona, bajo efrain ramirez, sera un super idea. no mas tiene como unos 20 miembros incliendo ninos y animales
Pobrecitos los animalitos. . . a donde se iran a ir? :-)
Zapata,
Excellent point Emiliano!!!
Here’s a link to the 2004 Constitution http://www.apostolicassembly.org/images/download/Constitution04.pdf
Give it you r best shot! First one to find a valid CONSTITUTIONAL reason for the removal of the plaintiffs wins a prize!
Will it be you?!?!?!
Come on Modern, head RUSH, and any others amongst you. I challenge you to show your stuff!
http://www.apostolicassembly.org
/images/download/Constitution04.pdf
Sorry V-day, your link was cut off
ke sonsos. la asamblea les quito hermano baldemar por los "By Laws", no por la constitcion.
And what by-law fits?
By In-Laws?
Hey where's modern at? He's an idiot!
"the other people are not his brothers just cause they're under the same umbrella?" He must have gone to La Puente along with the other foolios!!! You don't get to choose your brothers; God does that without your input!; whether under the same organization or out. The body is universal! Small IN THE BOX MENTALITY!!!
Carlos,
When I said that you came off as arrogant and a bragger.
I WAS speaking for myself and how I percieved your comments.
Why do you feel the need to tell me to speak for myself and not others ?
WHO ELSE WOULD I SPEAK FOR ?
Your not too bright are you ?
Henry Patino es un buen hombre de Dios. Ke no?
Rome
BackOff...
strong believer in god,
why don't u call someone from galarza's church? They are already praying and fasting about the situation.
btw, did the mega churches comment hit too close to home?
ROME.
you didn't specify, sweetie. we're not mind readers. you stated that i came off that way and u didn't specify to WHO.
and yes i am VERY bright. :)
SKOTTY,
YES DAD !
LOL
2 All The Ignorant Ppl
Baldemar & His Faithful Members Are Not Breaking Any Part Of The Constitution By Continuing To Have Their Services, The AA Cant Do Anything Anymore Because He's Out Of The Assembly, God Didnt Preach With A License And FYI They Have No Constitution Because They Were Booted Out, They Are Independent Now.
So For Those Of You Who Said That, You Need To DO More Research And Get Your Facts Straight.
Blessings!
i_stand_4_one
p.s Skotty U rOcK!!
Carlos,
Why are you calling me sweetie ?
Is carlos another name for carla ?
Cause if it's not then dude youve got other issues going on.
Im out ! Dont direct your posts at me no more brother and I will leave you alone as well.
Dont need no broke back brother hollering at me.
LOL
When the General Board gets to Heaven, The Gates of Heaven will be Pad-Locked.
But there just might be another set of gates wide open for them, The Gates of Hell!
Hey! No Flor Azulers Allowed!!!
so sorry rome,
but you write like a girl.
come on, you know its not the first time!
well fearless bloggers, i have a mission to embark on! God bless you.
dang it, i never got to hear the contigency plan or see the tap dance. DANG IT!
Wouldnt it be funny if the Flor Azulers all tried to get married in AA churches, now that the courts have allowed same sex marriages.
I can foresee another set of lawsuits against the AA.
dANG henry... lol
So Pastor Solomon's out too, huh?
This contingency plan is interesting. . . it would be great for the younger pastor's to teach the elders how it works, so that they too can be protected.
It's time for Pastors to work together to protect themselves against the likes of the gb and ambitious bishops that go too far.
Los de MeCha tiene su plan de santa barbara, el plan a conquistar la ustados unidos.
La mesa dirctiva general apostolica tiene su plan de satanas, el plan a robbar la gente.
Y el plan de Guadalupe de Hidalgo? --en este caso un plan de protejer a los pastores . . .
This all very very sad. Brother and Sister we need to pray for everyone who is involved in this whole mess. This is what the devil wants to divide us. Please just leave it in Gods hands...
This all very very sad. Brother and Sister we need to pray for everyone who is involved in this whole mess. This is what the devil wants to divide us. Please just leave it in Gods hands...
I just saw the video of the travesty that fell upon Brother Baldemar Rodriguez—I was disgusted. Whether or not you like him, agree or disagree with his views or policies—one thing I believe we can all agree on is that what the Dishonorable General Board did was plainly WRONG. You don’t take out a Pastor in that fashion—it’s just not done. If they were true men of God, they would have told him that they wanted him out and would have given him at least a reasonable amount of time to make arrangements and go out with dignity.
Funny, THEY did the wrong, but the people who called them out are being punished. And now they are violating the civil rights of pastors by taking them out, they are violating OUR civil right by taking away the buildings that WE paid for- not them--
I was very surprised to see Daniel Sanchez there. There must have not been any flights out of the country on that day. He finally grew a pair and showed his face—however, not big enough because he still had his vieja Lugo do the dirty work for him.
I was angry to see Ben Guerra there. Ben, I know you’re an ‘Elder’, but at some point in your life you’re going to have to decide to stand up and say no when asked to do something that is wrong. Same for Saenz and the rest of Sanchez’s harem. I cannot believe these ministers went along with that disgraceful and shameful act. They should have taken a stance and said no. Ben, Saenz and the rest of you, remember that today it is them, tomorrow it will be you. Sanchez has no loyalty to anyone. My questions to the rest of those ‘ministers’ there- if your authorities asked you to steal money- would you? I guess you would have to because you need to be obedient to your authority. I sincerely question your christian character.
Speaking of christian character—Lugo looked as if he was possessed by satan in that video. He looked demonic and so did Sanchez. Frankly, he had a lot of nerve deciding to pray for the demonic forces there- the demonic forces were on the plat form. The GB members are Satan’s whores.
People- WE need to take a stance and decide if we want to belong to this corrupt organization and keep lining their pockets. Upon being asked if he thought that what they were doing was pleasing to God, Daniel Sanchez said “No.” Upon being told that if a certain pastor was taken out a lot of people would go with him or be lost, Pachueco said, “We don’t care about the people, take him OUT.” That is the bottom line folks—they don’t care about the people, the people whose hard earned money pays for the temples, the tithe of tithes, the projections for this and for that, the offerings for missions, line their pockets. It’s disgusting.
An investigation took place and it was discovered that Sanchez, Valverde and Pachueco are the OWNERS of the churches in Texas- not the assembly. People- these guys are looking out for themselves for their future when they are taken out of office.
BOYCOTT every money making scheme of theirs. Don’t give to ‘Mano a Mano’ because believe me the only MANOS that money goes to is there own. Don’t give to Flor Azul- they pocket most of it and send out a miniscule amount- this has been confirmed by several ex-missionaries.
Samuel Valverde thinks that because he hasn’t shown his face in these lynchings that people will ‘forget’ that he’s on the GB. The ones they need to take out are Valverde, Pacheco and Aguilar and anyone else on that board who has never been a Bishop and was placed there. Daniel Sanchez needs to be locked out of his church for being so corrupt. I would be ashamed to belong to their churches—any of the DGB- these are not men of God- Men of God do not act with vengence as they have. They seek to humiliate people and are doing this for their own gratification of their inflated egos.
Daniel Sanchez, you are a disgrace to this Assembly- you are the worst president an organization has ever had. Be ware- Valverde and Pacheco will turn against you. That is a fact.
Kudos to Brother Baldemar's congregation for standing with him.
God will repay these viejas dearly for what they are doing. Satan's whores. I would be ASHAMED to be a part of their churches and families.
happy
Sounds like you're saying what everyone else on this blog can't or won't.
Whether I disagree or agree, that fact doesn't matter.
Fact of the matter is, you deserve a standing ovation for putting yourself out there.
Happy
Couldn't have said it better my self. I believe someone posted all these evil men's phone no.'s and email addresses. I say lets bombard them with calls, emails and letters at home, at church and at headquarters.
Wow happy you made your point loud and clear good for you!!! Churches need to start taking a stand and love Christ as he loves the church. Politics is history start loving the people because that is what Christ has called us to do love one another
God bless you:)
Wow happy good one! you hit right on the button God Bless you!
Yes!--Many props to Pastor Baldemar's congregation who stayed by his side. I do worry about elderly pastors such as himself who are being ex-communicated. What was he able to come away with? A retirement for his rest? I doubt it, although I don't know.
The AA is an organization that is systematically immoral because it is one in which pastors and congregations can work and invest multiple lifetimes into a mission/ ministry in a certain local, only for it to be snatched away from them in a heartbeat and shifted to another man who had no longterm investment in the original work.--Sometimes, this shift is smooth and there is some kind of mutual understanding such as when a pastor retires in good standing and participates in the choosing of the new shepherd; but in this case it is absolutely raw, traumatic and shameful.
Do you think Lugo, Sanchez, Saenz or any of those other men really knew the nicks and cranny's of that church as the members and Pastor Baldemar did? Pastor Baldemar and his congregation who labored at that altar and within that church to reach their community for years?
I know they must be going through a period of mourning and I just want to say to all of my brethren who are experiencing pain and separation due to this "hit list" agenda and mentality; just know that you have people who love and support you and are praying for your healing and safety. God Bless.
We need to act Now! I believe it was Martin Luther King who said "An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere"...
Its not about who sued, its about the 2006 so-called elections!
Its about those people, who were done wrong!!!!
Not one man of God said anything when that elderly lady got up and walked out!!!!Not one man of God even tried to stop the chaos!!!Not one...You can say what ever you want, however Pictures (in this case videos) are worth more than words!!!Lets draw the lines now Whos side are you on? Will you stay and support the bord? Or will you fight this wrong committed to the church?
Lets start by uniting together, lets communicate....We need to contact the Pastor who were excommunicated and let them know its just beginning!
Rally up the youth,inform them of whats going on. Tell them to pick sides! Ask your pastor how he feels? If he is against what the gb, tell him you support a brake away! We can form a new fellowship...I already address the issue of what happen with Pastor Baldemar on the radio on saturday on my program (105.5 FM) out of Sacramento,lets make it happen people!!!
Revolutionaries4justice
You know you can count with me!
Another one to add to the list of you know if your Apostolic if.
You know your Apostolic if you have ever been kicked out of your church.
Yesterday, at valverde church they had extra security (more ushers) and at the door they had a sign that said no video or cameras allowed. valverde order all these instructions because he was afraid of getting protesters. Also, he explain to the church that whatever they here or see at the internet for them not to believe. That four pastors were removed from the assembly because they sue the assembly, but they lost the demand. And that the judge gave them the victory and that the judge said nothing wrong had been committed, but those pastors were not satisfied.
My conclusion is, since valverde has lied all the way for him is no problem lying anymore, not even to his congregation.
The good thing is that he is already paranoid and just wondering what could be next.
Happy, JustDisappointed & M. Gallegos
Great supportive letters! This is what's been needed all along - brothers and sisters who truly want to do something to try and stop this injustice. It is time to unite.
It shouldn't be just a few here and there.
EACH AND EVERYONE OF THE 600 PASTORS WHOSE VOTES WERE FULLY AND TOTALLY DISREGARDED AT THE 2006 ELECTIONS BY THE GB SHOULD BE TAKING A STAND FOR JUSTICE.
HAVE PRIDE PASTORS - LOOK AT WHAT WAS DONE TO YOU BY THESE MEN WHO HAVE SHOWN MANY TIMES OVER THAT THEY HAVE NO FEAR OF GOD!
modernpreacher,
lerato910@gmail.com
i am VERY interested in your contingency plan.
Jerry Montoya= Liar, coward, decieving
ohhh btw he is the man who was working for the AA behind salomon's back
Well you know the saying!
Rats of feather stick together
klu
It's very interesting to know how familiar you are about the insights of the AA.
Tell me who are you? How are you associated with the GB? Or are you prophetic.
So now Arlington, Riverside, 1 & 2 Pomona, Chino. Wow for you to come out and say this you must be very sure about this.
Of course you are certain klu never lies right?
Before you come out and assure things on this blog please confirm.
You are only adding more to the chaos that is already unfolding in the AA! Or are you no longer part of the AA?
You contradict yourself alot.
Oh and now Bro Galarza out of Riverside? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Need I say more.
Someone should tell Rick Warren that Valverde has been plagarizing his sermons and selling them as his own.
klu
It's very interesting to know how familiar you are about the insights of the AA.
Tell me who are you? How are you associated with the GB? Or are you prophetic.
So now Arlington, Riverside, 1 & 2 Pomona, Chino. Wow for you to come out and say this you must be very sure about this.
Of course you are certain klu never lies right?
Before you come out and assure things on this blog please confirm.
You are only adding more to the chaos that is already unfolding in the AA! Or are you no longer part of the AA?
You contradict yourself alot.
Oh and now Bro Galarza out of Riverside? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Need I say more.
hEY tHAT BISHOp That GOT DIVORCED AND REMARRIED SOME1 ELSE'S WIFE
Was THAT Stan?
Stong Believer in God and Justice.
I just noticed you guys said the exact same thing! So what, do you guys tag team? lol
Strong believer, i've already addressed this with you. Talk to someone in Riverside Church. They'll tell. I got it straight from the horse's mouth.
and about the mega churches, just watch. i cannot reveal my sources for fear of losing them and for fear of retaliation against them. As much as i'd like to reveal my sources and evidence i must remain loyal. But just wait. Let no man deceive you. Remember the instructions the bible gives in uncovering the validity of a prophet. In jeremiah, it states that a prophet must be 100% right, or it is not of God.
all i have to say is compare what the AA has to say about the outcome of the trial to what the ACTUAL SAN BERNARDINO COURT TRANSCRIPTS say. You can read them at apostolicassembly.info
Que nadie os egañe
and one more thing... i'd like to know WHERE I contradicted myself.
???
we seriously need to do something about these comment deleters. the vast majority of them are AA members who aren't brave enough to stick by what they said.
geez.
Henry, while you're at it tell Larry Lea, Mark Hanby, Jeff Arnold and even George Pantages!
loL Last One Was ME... haha
my bad
but i think its ok...
cuz i'm the MINORITY... LOL
dang it skotty...
u got me all riled up.
Well, at least Valverde plagarises good speakers. Not like he's plagarising Sanchez preaching about his 1,000 trips to Israel.
Or worst yet, he's not plagarising Efrain Ramirez.
LOL
Edward Pacheco's been plagarising those commercials that come on after midnight "Make Millions in Real Estate" or "Make Millions In Used and New Cars".....
The Following IS FOR
HAPPY, KLU, GIJ, HENRY, RAMBO.
THUMBS UP!!!
LIKE WAY UP THERE!
Henry,
Can u lay off Elder Ramirez? This is your third dishonorable mention of him and its getting quite old. and its really not funny either.
a sad night for the El Bethel church family...not only was our pastor excommunicated on June 25, but our building was seized today June 30...keep us in prayer...the division will be painful, and the enemy is working over time to destroy our pastor's health. Church marriages and families are being attacked...Keep your head to the sky
time to act. please clarify. Where is bethel church? Who is your pastor?
Denver...Pastor Salomon
Time to act,
I am confused. I thought the building didn't belong to AA anymore. I had heard the Bro Solomon had transferred it to an independent entity.
Please clarify.
attention all. Most SoCal church members still don't know what had happen to us. I contact fox 11 news and they are fully aware of what is going on. hopefully soon fox will shine some light on this. I want fox to show how GB became to be known as the "MAFIA APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY"
Carlos:
Efrain Ramirez was used as a Thug in Excommnicating Baldemar.
A Henchman of the general board.
Acts of Intimidation of the hermanos will not stand.
attention all. Most SoCal church members still don't know what had happen to us. I contact fox 11 news and they are fully aware of what is going on. hopefully soon fox will shine some light on this. I want fox to show how GB became to be known as the "MAFIA APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY"
Jesus.
Kudos, my friend. I HAD heard that our San Diego brothers and sisters had not heard about it.
Please contact me and i can arrange a statement to fox from some of the members of San Bernardino. WE HAVE ALOT TO SAY.
we also thought that...but today AA and lawyers showed up and seized the building...we're out and hey we are a big church family!! the AA obviouly has title
Henry,
excuse me but WERE YOU THERE?
i didn't think so. SPEAK FROM FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN. stop talking out of your posterior.
I PERSONALLY know Elder Ramirez and his family and he does not deserve to be ridiculed. He has made MANY a sacrifice for the Lord. I can PERSONALLY witness to it.
Seriously, you talk about him way too much. Why? there was four other elders there. Why Elder Ramirez? HE HAS DONE NOTHING TO YOU. Don't cry cause he probably put you on prueba and now you are idignant.
Time to act,
You are not alone. i was until june 25 a member of the 1st apostolic church of San bernardino. I was in your exact same situation. Don't worry, GOD WILL GIVE YOU VICTORY. And you have 200 godly people praying for you here in San Bernardino California who have also been in your situation. now we have found strength in the lord and in our unity. KEEP GOING!
God Bless You.
Carlos:
The video doesnt lie. Ok, if you like, I'll name the rest of the GB henchmen that I know.
Benji Guerra
Phil Saenz
Martin DelCampo
FelipeLugo
and over 10 more that were sent to excommunicate Baldemar and sieze control of the church and its assets. As well as to INTIMIDATE the local congregation.
HENRY,
You have NO right to say those were Elder Ramirez's intentions. YOU ARE NOT GOD.
If you knew Pastor Ramirez even a little, you would know his kind humble nature.
Ask God for WISDOM, brother. You SURELY need it.
Carlos:
His participation in an immoral act has stained his reputation.
He may have not performed the lynching, but he helped prepare the rope.
Henry,
How exactly did he help prepare the rope?
since you were there and all.
Get a life and get jesus.
El ZApatista,
your name says it all. we know where your loyalties lie. What a great story! did you make it up yourself along with the other fantastic stories? don't get mad cause you guys got played and "you know who" isn't pastor.
SO...
Paintball Guns = Spray Paint?
The Wierd Part is...
You State "What a blatant disregard for the House of the Lord!!!!!"
And Ur Not TALKING about THE gb...
Wow Buddy
U'VE just Witnessed Baptized Members Of The AA KICKED OUT OF THIER OWN CHURCH, and You IGNORE LUGO'S FACE!
yet The PEOPLE are Wrong For Following The Doctrine? AND NOT THE gb?
YOU MY FRIEND ARE BLIND,BIASED, AND IGNORANT!
GO SKOTTY!!!!
BURN DUDE... CARLOS GOT U THERE!!!
Thats Right... HE WAS PASSED UP. hahaha
Trade In The Local FOR A Guy That was RETIRED... lol
IN YO FACE!
p.s. The Last DELETE WAS ME.
i spelled somethin wrong...
didnt want to look like i was supporting the gb HAHAHA (cuz u all mispell stuff like CRAZY!)
3 REASONS why zapatista hAS nOT RESPONDED...
1. In Shock
2. Typing His Life Story/NOVEL
3. jUST got OWNED!
WHICH ONE IS IT?
I THINK 1 & 3 ARE SIMILAR... BUT W.E.
Give it ur Best SHot Shoe pERSON...
How funny.
you say you didn't stay for zapata with his smelly patas but your name is "el zapatista"?
does anyone ELSE find that strange?
HAHAHA.... so WE created the Division?
So the "Godly Boys" had ABSOLUTLY notihing to do with it... THATS right. Those People Walked OUt WHILE LUGO SUGGESTED THAT THE PEOPLE PRAY FOR THE "EVIL/BAD/SATANIC SPIRITS PRESENT..." and the P*USHERS Crowded the Aisle Behind The PPL (Hearding them to the door Like Sheep Dog DO!) for what reason? i mean since you suggested that the people were going to walk out regardless...
lol
BTW. if you didnt get Money, POWER/Position, OR this Zapata charaACTer... DID U STAY TO FOLLOW the "Godly Boys"?
did u stay for lugo. he looked Fabulous that night didnt he...
This is very sad that many of you who were in strollers when Baldemar was President and during the 23 years he was on the GB, as President to Vice President and President to Vice President, etc... many of you did not know another President in that time. He is your hero.
You are all in denial that fraud was also used in the Calificadora for him to stay in those positions for 23 years.
But now that the ant hill has been flattened and you are scattered and looking for your hero, you are trying to build up that same ant hill again. Once and for all, the man pastored only two churches in Texas with congregations of 20-30 members. That is the resume he brought to California. Many witnesses in Texas will verify this.
Let me remind you of a sad story that some of you might know—although it doesn’t matter because it didn’t happen to you, so why would you care.
One upon a time there was a pastor in the Indio Church in the 196’s. His name was Jose Ortega. He had been an evangelist for many years prior to this, enduring hardship in very difficult terrain in Mexico.
He wanted to come to the US and was given the church in Indio, CA. After he had been pastoring there about 10 years, Baldemar needed to bring Luciano Montes from Milwakee WI to California, and Baldemar was searching for a church where a Pastor could easily be removed.
Bro. Ortega was a man who taught reconciliation in the church was asked by the mother of a young girl to perform the girls wedding. Because the girl was pregnant and both the bride and groom were not baptized, Bro. Ortega married them in their home.
Baldemar used this incident (of marrying this young pregnant girl who was not baptized nor was the groom) to remove Bro. Ortega from his church.
Baldemar told the Pastor that he had committed a terrible sin in marrying the couple and he had to be removed as a Pastor for such a sin as this. Then BR put Luciano Montes as pastor of that Indio church.
BR even order the little vegetable garden that Pastor Ortega had in the back of his home yanked out. That alone broke my heart.
Pastor Ortega continued to minister in whatever way God sent him, but that incident almost killed him. He told me that he would never go against Baldemar, but that someday, the Lord would hold him accountable for his actions.
Baldemar did similar things like this to many other pastors during his 23 year reign.
'With the same rod that you measure, you shall be measured'...
'Todo lo que el hombre sembrare, eso también segará'...
If you all feel sorry for BR now, also keep in mind those simple and honest Pastors he mistreated. But you don't seem to want to see that, I guess because it didn't happen to you. So continue to be in denial, but he is no different than the GB we have now.
BTW ... if YOU think that i am picking on/HATING ON/BITTER/UNPLEASANT/UNHAPPY/DONT LIKE/CANT STAND/AGAINST/w.e. else you thing i am TO Lugo...
You're Prob Right.
;)
So NOW you want to Bring IN the NAME of LUCIANO MONTES...
HOW DARE YOU!!!
I Doubt The People From The Indio Church Will Stand For This ...
My Friend You Have Opened Up PANDORA'S BOX...
Well Good Luck...
apostolic analyst...
if that is true, and it was against god's will then why did God bless Indio church so richly under pastor montes's pastorship?
Things go terribly wrong under God's permissive will, but they prosper under God's Perfect will.
Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't Indio's temple, to date, the LARGEST in the IDCN?
Apostolic Analyst Said The Following... I copied And Pasted IT So He Could Not delete it LiKE most Of The Cowards ON HERE....
This is very sad that many of you who were in strollers when Baldemar was President and during the 23 years he was on the GB, as President to Vice President and President to Vice President, etc... many of you did not know another President in that time. He is your hero.
You are all in denial that fraud was also used in the Calificadora for him to stay in those positions for 23 years.
But now that the ant hill has been flattened and you are scattered and looking for your hero, you are trying to build up that same ant hill again. Once and for all, the man pastored only two churches in Texas with congregations of 20-30 members. That is the resume he brought to California. Many witnesses in Texas will verify this.
Let me remind you of a sad story that some of you might know—although it doesn’t matter because it didn’t happen to you, so why would you care.
One upon a time there was a pastor in the Indio Church in the 196’s. His name was Jose Ortega. He had been an evangelist for many years prior to this, enduring hardship in very difficult terrain in Mexico.
He wanted to come to the US and was given the church in Indio, CA. After he had been pastoring there about 10 years, Baldemar needed to bring Luciano Montes from Milwakee WI to California, and Baldemar was searching for a church where a Pastor could easily be removed.
Bro. Ortega was a man who taught reconciliation in the church was asked by the mother of a young girl to perform the girls wedding. Because the girl was pregnant and both the bride and groom were not baptized, Bro. Ortega married them in their home.
Baldemar used this incident (of marrying this young pregnant girl who was not baptized nor was the groom) to remove Bro. Ortega from his church.
Baldemar told the Pastor that he had committed a terrible sin in marrying the couple and he had to be removed as a Pastor for such a sin as this. Then BR put Luciano Montes as pastor of that Indio church.
BR even order the little vegetable garden that Pastor Ortega had in the back of his home yanked out. That alone broke my heart.
Pastor Ortega continued to minister in whatever way God sent him, but that incident almost killed him. He told me that he would never go against Baldemar, but that someday, the Lord would hold him accountable for his actions.
Baldemar did similar things like this to many other pastors during his 23 year reign.
'With the same rod that you measure, you shall be measured'...
'Todo lo que el hombre sembrare, eso también segará'...
If you all feel sorry for BR now, also keep in mind those simple and honest Pastors he mistreated. But you don't seem to want to see that, I guess because it didn't happen to you. So continue to be in denial, but he is no different than the GB we have now.
July 1, 2008 12:30 AM
Your Move apostoLIC ANALyst
typical aa member.
deletes all their comments.
how rude.
Dude... Honestly Lic
UR lucky Nobody Is Awake AT 1A.M.
cuz PHEWW... boy
u gotta get ur facts straight.
bUT do NOT worry
trust me
SOME1 WILL EDUCATE YOU IN THE MORNING...
I KNOW! noone is awake right now! usually at 1 AM is when it gets good!
where is GodIsJust?
You See
I COULD educate you
But Unlike You
I Would Rather Wait AND Check to make 100% sure , that what ever I post on here IS THE TRUTH...
Like The Fact That Lugo Looked Totally AWESOME in The Picture INFRONT of the Church...
See Thats 100% True dood!
ok then...
EL ZAPATISTA...
YOU SIR... ARE A COWARD... Stand bhind what you post. . .
QUIT DELETING YOUR POSTS...
Aposolic News MODERATOR/ BLOGMASTER
YOU HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO MY PREVIOUS POSTS...
I REALLY LOVE THIS BLOG, ITS VERY INFORMATIVE, AND SUCH
BUT
IS THERE ANY WAY TO DISABLE THE DELETION OF COMMENTS/POSTS??
SOME ppl ARE ABUSING THE DELETE COMMENT BUTTON LIKE CRAZY ...
Analyst... Where did u go?
I would Really LOVE to read MORE of your STORIES... they are very entertaining...
Just in case anyone forgot,this is about the 2006 so-called elections.
The gb was not elected it was appointed...A total desregard for 400+ pastor who prayed and fasted before voting!
Its about an unethical MAFIA-STYLE leadership in the AA!
The gb was determined to remove/excommunicate those who rightfully objected,with no regard for the CHURCH!
They did this!
They divided the CHURCH!
Not one minister even tried to stop the chaos!
Not one minister tried to reason things out!
Not one said a word when that elderly lady with her velo got up and walked out,Not one said a word.
Not one walked out and said brothers and sisters lets try to work things out.
NOT ONE!
Apostolic Analyst,
Regarding Pastor Baldemar and his past experience with Jose Ortega--Truthfully, I really don't know if that occurred or not, but I guess I could fathom that happening.
Old School pastors were very hard core and strict as compared to now. Even though in some areas, it's like a sin for women to still wear open toed sandals and men to wear knee length shorts (if any of you go to a church that's still like that, sorry). . . also, unfortunately, AA is not just known for having awesome preachers, musicians and singers etc., but we're also known for corruption and big time political problems. I hope Pastor Baldemar did not treat this Brother Jose Ortega in such a cold manner, but if he did, that does not make it OK for the GB to have treated him in like manner.
This generation expects more from our leaders. We expect them to be different. It does none of us any good to continue to perpetuate curses.
The GB could have taken this same situation and chosen to be different and deal with it in a Godly manner. . . know what I mean?
I agree with JD. these problems are perpetuated and handed down from one generation to another.
For example: did you guys here what Aguilar did at end time restoration, when he called a pastor out of the congregation who had left the AA cause of heavy handedness from the Bishop there? Have some freinds in Arizona that said he was tired of the mistreatment and tat the GB would not give him the time of day to appeal for help. They let that tyrant of a Bishop mop the floor with whomever he wanted, until he turned on them! Anway, Aguilar calls him up and washes his feet saying that we need to break the generational curses that have been passed down to us(I'm assuming he's talking bout abuses of power and things of that nature). I said to myself, WOW! thats a man with some guts! But now he has initiated a whole new round of generational curses by participating in the same CRAP he just denounced a few months earlier! These men will say whatever sounds great when the cameras are rolling and they have the mike! But I really question how much they believe in what they're saying! VERY, VERY DISAPOINTED!!!!!!!!!!DIGUSTED!!!!
That's Just the Way It Is,
That my friend is a classic "double talker" in action. Apparently, these "double talkers" are prolific in the AA. I know a few myself; or I should say I've personally seen them in action. They are men who become momentarily inspired and say things to please and tickle the ears of those around them at that brief moment in time. Pretty sweet deal, huh? What can I say, it's politically expedient and very emotionally provoking at the time; but it serves it's purpose to get some favor to build rapport and future relationships. I can't say that Pastor Aguilar is one of those types because I just don't know, but it sure sounds like it. . . if the shoe fits. .
If there are any AA Constitution Scholars in here.
Can someone please explain what article, ammendment, paragraph was violated to deem rightful justification to take out Dr. Baldemar Rodriguez from PASTORSHIP?
Don't give the excuse that he placed a lawsuit.
I want justifiable constitutional violation to be removed from pastorship.
Preaching false doctrine, stop paying 10% of 10%, not agreeing w/ organizational structure, not fullfilling pastoral requirements at the local level, adultery, fraud, and stealing are justified. But asking for an investigation about the 2006 elections is not justified.
Please respond wisely and informative.
Thanks,
R4J
PTL EVERYONE! I guess i am the first one up this morning! its not that early though. :)
Well R4J, i spent some time reading the 2004 AA constitution and Article 36 speaks about trials and removals.
This is what it reads:
III. Trials involving pastors, ministers in charge of a new work, evangelists, assistant pastors and ordained ministers, shall take place in meetings presided by the respective district bishop and at least two elders, and include all necessary witnesses.
So the main point here is that a trial must occur. Did that happen here? No. Pastor Baldemar was summoned to a location in Rancho Cucamonga, where instead of going through the motions of a trial, he was served with a removal letter and a bribe. $3,000 monthly, i believe was the exact figure. I can be wrong in the figure. Either way, MEN OF GOD AREN'T FOR SALE.
It also reads as follows:
X. The accused parties shall have the right to present witnesses they consider necessary for their defense, and be counseled by a minister of the Apostolic Assembly, selected by the accused party, who may also be present at the trial.
Pastor Baldemar was ordered to come alone. Abel Torres and Willie Mendoza were also ordered to come alone. Saul Avila went as far as bringing his Co-Pastor and was told that he must wait outside. DARE TO CHALLENGE ME ON THESE FACTS. THEY ARE TRUE.
Basically, Pastor was entitled to a trial. He wasn’t allowed one. He walked in to receive his verdict, and only that. Also Pastor is entitled to bring witnesses. He and others were denied.
My question is, what can members of the AA do? The constitution illustrates what procedures to take when trying a member of the GB, but how can we get them to the trial? They have obviously broken two articles of the constitution, so where’s there trial? WHEN WILL YOU SPEAK UP?!
It’s time for someone to police the police. You as members have rights. I have given you the tools, now use them.
Use them before it’s too late and you watch the church you grew up in get sold to the highest bidder (mega church).
These people (gb) could careless what the constitution says. We need to pull the people out of the AA! I don't believe its gonna change, come next elections, its gonna be the same thing...
Well bro Gallegos,
YOU ARE THE MAJORITY.
If everyone speaks out and brings these men to trial for breaking these articles of the constitution, they will have no choice but to comply. YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT!
Everyone should take a lesson from history and the French Revolution. In a nut shell, the PEOPLE overthrew the Government that ruled over them. They rid themselves of the corrupt monarchy and placed THEMSELVES in charge, the French Republic. Now I am not saying that you should go to such drastic violent measures as the French revolutionaries, but I am also not saying to sit down and twiddle your thumbs.
THE CONSTITUTION has been violated by those who are supposed to be protecting it and upholding it.
I ask again, WHAT WILL YOU DO?
What have you to fear, majority?
They can't excommunicate ALL of you, can they?
I'm willing to stick my neck out, I've mentioned before I have a radio program. I've openly spoken out and said the gb was and is out of God's will.
Lets team up!
Does anyone know the address to the new Fontana project?
Amazing Grace,
It does not yet have an address. It is in North fontanc a few feet north of citrus and summit.
here is the parcel number
APN 0239-141-09 and 10
Does anyone know about any information regarding the church of Bishop Julian Aguirre? And Bro. Galarza?
Are these Men really on the list to be lynched?
Also, what happened to Pastor Solomon in CO? I thought they had the church rights? Can anyone verify or give some insight in these matters.
Lets us pray for all of them, we are living in the end times...
M. Gallegos
Where is your radio show?
Parcel No: 0239-141-09-0000
Address: CITRUS AVE FONTANA, CA 92335
Owner(s): APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF FAITH/CHRIS
Recording Date: 09/23/2003
Sale Price: $800,000.00
Assessed Value: $424,483.00
Acreage: 4.60
Mail Address: 10807 LAUREL ST RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CA 91730
Parcel No: 0239-141-10-0000
Address: CITRUS AVE FONTANA, CA 92335
Owner(s): APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF FAITH/CHRIS
Recording Date: 09/23/2003
Sale Price: $800,000.00
Assessed Value: $424,483.00
Acreage: 4.60
Mail Address: 10807 LAUREL ST RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CA 91730-3866
Wow !
I guess Carlos turned out to be Carla.
Dude or chick or whatever it is that you consider yourself.
Now it makes sense why you were responding all emotional and hurt like a girl.
Cause you are one or you were born wishing you were one.
You must also be from the same area the GB5's are from.
What happened to Modern? He was going to share the plan and then poof? Then I wake up to see that all his points have been deleted?
I take it his Pastor found out that he was blogging and about to give up the secret plans and, well maybe that happened. I believe I figured out which church he goes to, but I wanted to give him a chance to tell us...
As for Baldemar's tactics when he was Pres... Man there are some doozies.
Keep those comments going, this is fascinating!
What I want to know is, what is the "Master" Plan that these GB members have in mind...
Why rig the elections, buy property in Texas under their names (Dnt know for sure only what I read on the blogs) and make plans to move the headquarters to Texas...
What is really going on? What are they trying to do...
Also TO ANTONIO:
Can you please shed some more light on these GB members and how they act outside of public eye...
Why do Sanchez and Aguilar not like each other??? Questions, Questions, Questions...
By the way, Pastor Torres is a great man of God...
IF ITS NOT ETERNAL, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT...
Setec: I posted up info yesterday. I guess you missed it. I delete because people copy and paste. And when that happens things can get taken out of context real fast.
Anyone know what County/City/Township in Texas the DGB members are supposed to have bought land in?
feedupwithdeciept.....
The locks were changed explain by the AA explain to me why we had to get together at the REC center and not at the church? Might you have the key to unlock the door?
Carlos:
From my comments last night, I will bite my tongue from them ever again, because you are freeking awesome.
That research you did was great and there is good case law to back it up.
If you have anyone connected to Westlaw, look up:
47 Cal.App.3d 547, 121 Cal.Rptr.214
Have an awesome day. I'm off to SD to hunt Modern down to get the hard copy of his plan! lol
Just kidding Modern. See you at HQ in CV.
LOL, I meant to type It was changed by the AA.
Skotty...
I saw the video on youtube about what happened to Bro. Baldemar church. It sadens me to see so called "men of God" to act in such a manner. Reminds me of the Mafia. Thats some dirty work.
so what happened to the church in Denver?
what happened to all those bloggers who were ranting and raving about how "God is awesome!" and how "we have the victory"??
The truth is that the more and more people keep looking for microphones and cameras and make signs, the only one that truely gets the glory is the devil.
I say that hostly and respectfully. There is no glory publicly dragging peoples names and reputation through the mud.
If the "revolutionaries" with to focus on bringing down God's people with silly protests and showing how immature we are.
One of my best friends is a co-pastor in a UPC church told me that he is praying for the AA, not for justice to be served but rather that the love of God prevail.
Seriously, what do you think that all your "revolutionary" tactics are going to accomplish? Other that make you look more immature.
Mr Scotty, I pray that you have a change in your heart. I think I recall you mentioning that you don't even attend SB church? correct? I realize that you wont tell people your real name, but what church do you attend?
Launica,
I am sad to hear that it happened. I thought Pastor had saved the day and didn't have the building in the AA's name.
Unfortunately, it would appear, there is no end to the horrible acts the DGB will commit.
=(
fedupwithdeceipt...
Every one thought the church was safe. And that services would continue as always, and they will. Just not in that building. But thats ok, they don't need a building with four walls to preach the Gospel. They just need to unite and pray. We are "ALL" family in christ. And we must move on, and show the world what God has done for us. I alwasy say never trust in Men. I follow Jesus not man, because they will fail you, But my God remains faithful, and he will not leave me alone.
Stood_By_Too_Long:
In other words, the members/people just need be quiet and take it.
Wow. Sure glad the Founding Fathers of the USA or people like Martin Luther King didn't heed that advice. '
We might be under and United Kingdom Flag.
Or the Civil Rights Laws would have never been introduced and passed.
Thank God for a woman of Valor like Rosa Parks who rufused to go to the back of the bus.
Fedupwithdeceipt,
So what happened? Did they showp up early in the morning? Did they come during the service?
Was their an attempt to remove Bishop Solomon? How is Bishop Solomon doing?
I pray for strength and wisdom for Him.
fedupwithdeceipt, its not a horrible acts, its actually a safety net that the AA as used and relied on COUNTLESS times before.
This policy of having church buildings in the name of the AA has probably keep the AA in tact many times.
This evident in the UPC church. Their buildings are in the names of the church people, so whenever there is a fallout, the church goes with the people/pastor. (that is why there have been so many splits in the UPC) Whenever a church doesn't like what the UPC does, they pick up and leave. Case Closed.
But in the AA, the churches belong to the AA, and therefore that has (for lack of a better term) "keep congregations/pastors in check".
Our beloved Baldemar in his 23-24 years of service as our Chief Officer, had the benefit of this policy many times when pastors would "become disobedient".
Unfortunately, Baldemar, is now on the other end of this policy. Along with the thousands of hard earned $$ that they have been raising.
My feeling is that he should have really weighed ALL the options before sueing. He knew very well what happens to pastors when they sue.
(sorry for the miss spelling, i'm at work)
Does anyone know if the GB will attempt to remove Pastor Torres and take away his church a second time?
I once belonged to Salomon's church, but once I married I had to follow my husband. All of my family goes there and my childhood friends. That once was my home where I was born and raised. Hearing the news made my heart sink, I didn't think about the beautiful marble floors, the newly done youth room, the huge beautiful kitchen thats all materialistic stuff..... I thought of all the non-member. the visitors, and of all the services held and good memories,people's baptisims. But most of all I remembered my great friend Abraham who passed away and was burried on a Saturday and Sunday morning his dad was out there in the heat putting up trees and gravel for the work of God. He could have decided to stay home, but NO, he went on and helped out to finish the project he had starts. Only to have it ripped away. Thats what I thought of. All the work and dedication that many people put into have a haven for people to come to christ only to have it ripped away. Its Sad, thats the only word that keeps coming in my mind. But I have to remain positive and pray for my family and all the members. Imagine coming one day to your church and the doors are locked? Its like being evicted from your home, where you going to go now?
The Apostolic Assembly may of had good intentions when it began 70 or so years ago. But things have changed. The AA has been very successful at taking advantage of gullible immigrants. Our leaders are not educated. Have no theological and business training and lack adequate leadership skills. Outside of the Assembly, we are not a major contender. Our doctrine is considered weak in the evangelical community. We don’t have any seminaries or universities (you really can’t include CBAN). The life of the believer is preserved by the Word not by tradition, politics and pseudo holiness. If you look at the history of other organizations (The Puritans, Quakers, etc.) they too cease to exist. Frankly, I don’t see the Apostolic Assembly surviving in 30-40 years.
Wise up Apostolicos.
I'm not a member of Solomon's church in Denver but having heard what happened yesterday really pisses me off. Anyone standing by what the AA is doing needs to do some soul searching to find the truth. A wrong is a wrong and removing pastors because they wanted to make right what the AA messed up in 2006 is not justification but is REVENGE plain and simple. It's disgusting to think they can "flex their muscles" where ever they want and basically showing all existing pastors, "NEVER GO AGAINST US OR ELSE"
dang rome!
whats with the insecureties brother? Como q te GUSTO bro!
Hey its all good though rome... Noone mistook ME for a girl! as for you, pues, pray about it bro! I think one of SB's new pastor's sons can sympathize with you on the lil "problem" you have. ahi se ponen de acuerdo bro! DIOS LOS HACE Y USEDES SOLOS SE JUNTAN!!!
LOL
I'm not a member of Solomon's church in Denver but having heard what happened yesterday really pisses me off. Anyone standing by what the AA is doing needs to do some soul searching to find the truth. A wrong is a wrong and removing pastors because they wanted to make right what the AA messed up in 2006 is not justification but is REVENGE plain and simple. A way of sending a message to other pastors and this is what will happen to you if you go against us.
Standing_There_ACCEPTING_gb (You know who you are)
All i can really say is THANK GOD PROTESTANT Reformation NEVER HAPPENED huh?
Geez ... Do You ReallY expect People To Just Sit down, shut up, And lET tHIS cONTINUE??
ok WEll Since The Protestant Reformation Never Happened... I suggest YOU GO OUT AND BUY SOME INDULGENCES BRO...
LaUnica,
I know this is quite sensitive for you..but I must remind the bloggers that just because the pastor is removed, that doesn't mean that the people can't attend.
There will be a new pastor installed.
So this leads to me to a great question that i'd like to ask all the bloggers....
Pretend that your pastor has been removed from office (for something other than an immmoral sin)
Do you go with him and start something new? Meaning a new church fund, having to buy new musical eq., sound system.
Or do you stay with the building...the building that you sweat over, cared for, cleaned, swept, rolled tamales for (haha, i had to get that in). And hope that the AA installs a fresh pastor with a great vision, and great leadership qualities?
what do you do?
now that is a question for all the bloggers....
DAAAAANNNNG carlos... hahaha
rome... n e thoughts? hahaha
Henry,
thanx bro. appreciate it.
Sola dei Gloria....
wow, those are some very valid points you bring up. I would hate to see the apostolic doctrine fade away though. But then again that doctrine is made up by men, the constitution also....and so many other rules, and regulations. I am so fed up with that. Can we just go back to basics about telling others about Jesus! He is coming soon, and the church needs to be ready we cannot waste our time and focus on what is going on. We just need to rely on God. This reminds of conquest of Canaan, God fought the battle for them, they just needed to be sanctified. And thats what we need be sanctified and let Jesus win the battle.
UR QUESTION Makes No Sense DUMMY!!
GEEEZ LETS PRETEND!
gUESS what!!!
We Are Playing Pretend Now Ppl!
you leave with your pastor..
he is the one who has guided you, corrected you, instructed you.
The building is a building is a building is a buidling. YOu can build, construct, purchase another.
What does the Aa provide, seriously, I'm not here to pounce ont hem, but as an oganization, as of themselves, what does it do for the everyday life of the member? Does it provide, does it educate, does it uplift you in any sense or way?
NO, that is dont bythe local churches, pastors, miniters, and bretheren.
The AA is based on the pyramid scheme concept. Seriously, again, not a critique but an unbiased observation. As much money as the people have invested in it, what has it given in return?
Name a tangible program, or servcie it provides that you woudl not be able to have or keep if you leave with the local pastor and congregation?
Exalt Christ.
Equip the church.
Evangelize the world.
Should read.
Exalt Us.
Fill our pockets.
Get more people to fill our pockets.
Carlos,
You are the one going around calling people sweetie.
What normal Man speaks that way ?
Whatever criticism you get is your own fault.
So not only are you arrogant and a bragger but your a little light in the loafers. LOL.
"Exalt Christ.
Equip the church.
Evangelize the world"
If this is the current administrations slogan, and I would say mission statement, then hold them to it.
HOw have their actions exalted christ, how has it equipped the church, and has it evangelized the world?
These a are serious, legitimate questions that should be asked of them. They are not attacks, they are true inquiries.
Asking for accountability is not a sin, lets forget about Lang Beach, that is history and it will not be reversed. Now that you are leading the "church" what have you done?
A couple of thing before I hit the road.
1. Does anyone know how much money(liquid assets) that Solomon's church had in its bank accounts?
Torres?
Willie Mendoza?
Estimates are good enough.
Now that the Asamblea has FIRM CONTROL of the those churches, it also has ACCESS to all their accounts and can TRANSFER the money to the Asamblea General Account to fund the completion of FOT and Corona. Pastored by Valverde and Pacheco, whom both sit on the General Board, Supported the Excommunications, and are Cousins.
See a pattern?
2. Does anyone have any CD's or Video footage of Valverde where he is plagarizing Rick Warren, TD Jakes messages with out giving them credit or better yet, had copied them, packaged them and resold them?
Stood by too long.
Thanks for your respons, before I answer your question I want to let all the bloggers know that I respect people's opinions and comments I may not agree but I respect the thoughts of others.
About your question, its a bit complicated to answer to be honest. Its easier to ask then to answer at times. I know a new Pastor will be installed, but was it necessary to change the locks? Come on seriously , yeah you kicked out the pastor but he also has his flock and if they cannot come in, what do they do? they follow thier Pastor.If they wanted to be civilzed about it, they could have a held an open meeting with the church members,
and the Pastor. Again, what is there to hide. Be honest, thats all the hermanos want is honesty and if the GB sends letters and tells people to contact so, and so if they want more information than gee! what a waste of paper! Get your First Class plane ticket to Denver, Hold and open forum and speak the truth!
After the congregation see's how the situation was handled, and how the doors where locked and changed are they going to be with SMILES and head back into the church under a new pastor? I think NOT. This only gives more reason to follow the Pastor. Who wants to be under conditions like that? Yeah they worked hard for that church, but they can do it again and start from scratch.
Where there is a way there is a will.
About a new pastor, with great qualities and a great vision, that sounds like to me as if you're saying the current pastor doesn't have that and he does. Just because some one speaks up like he does, he gets kicked off, well what kind of example is that for the congretation. Hermano if you ask a question you are no longer a member??? well gee some stay for fear, and others leave from courage. Its going to be hard but you know what you worked for something you beleived in, and you appreciate it more. Where as other stay do nothing but warm up a bench and don't appreciate what they have. So if starting from scrath means making tamales, and doing bake sales! then count me in. This is so crazy I m not even part of the assembly but my family is so if they ask me to buy tamales then I am in, Its all for la obra de Dios. Right???
CHAIRMAN_MAO,
I personally would base my decision on my current standing with my pastor. If I am in agreement with him and I see him as a spiritual father and I have him in high respect, there is nothing really keeping me back. Then yes, I go with him.
But if I am already a disgrunted member, and I already question his every move, and there is a nice buildng that I helped build and keep up, then I stay.
"they could have a held an open meeting with the church members,
and the Pastor"
I think thats what they tried to do in SB, but Scotty showed up with a camera and the "revolutioners"
Stood.
Of course that goes without needing to stay.
But I answered the question under the assumption that someone would be torn between staying and going.
If you don't like or get along.. or much worse trust the guy, then of course by all means stay, or move to another church.
But i think that goes for any church, whether it's getting the boot or not.
so what, is there something that will be said that should't be said or heard? They use camera's at times for courts and litigations why not for the church? They sure do seem to want to be all legal with thier lawyers and paper work, on the church properties, so why not be legal and legit and have some one record the open meeting????
I doubt anyone will ever accuse this Administration of being market savvy, or have a PhD in public relations.... lol
its, funny, sad, and true all at once.
I know most are right wing religous zealouts, but I still don't thinkt he Bush administraion is the right role-model.
This Administration wther justified or not (thats not the basis of this post) has executed its will in the most terrible, questionable of ways.
Be open, honest, sincere, and above all else, justified and transparent.
The lord may work in mysterious ways, that doesn't mean YOU have to! LOL
Apostolicos
You are missing the point. Staying or going. Going or staying. This is an organization. The gospel advances you not the Apostolic Assembly. This is the rut many of you are in. You can’t live without your Assembly. I understand many of you were born into it. Change your mentality.
Good point of centention is the camera issue.
The issue was not the camera, why make it an issue, why ask him to leave?
If i was them, and was justified, I would want the video there, heck I would take my own! I wuld want to document what I said, what was said, so noone could counterdict or change the story to the public.
These people are horrible at public management, they leave themselves open to scrutiny.
But who cares of public relations, when you have the almighty one, and he has given you all authority to condemn anyone who differs in opinion.. LOL
Stood_by
You get the prize for the IDIOT COMMENT OF THE DAY:
Pretend??? No one has to pretend anything. They know what happened, they saw what happened at their churches.
Get the facts straight so you don't have to pretend.
Long Beach 2006 - Election Fraud - 600 Pastors Votes are Ignored. Pastors who were aware of what occurred demand an explanation. None is given.
GB ignores all requests for a solution and proceeds with RETALIATION by snatching away churches, titles, pastorships, funds.
You obviously know nothing about loyalty. Members love their pastors, they are the ones who tend them. They are the ones they call in the middle of the night and all hours of the day to come and pray for their needs.
OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE WITH THEM.
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