AV
- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
*Not 2006 Election related
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Stood_by_2_long,
Typical apostolic mentality, "Actually,
the Dr was quite shaddy in his day too. So lets just agree that he got ousted by by the very infrastructure that he supported, implemented, and executed time and time again."
So because Baldemar was shady in his day that makes the UNETHICAL, IMMORAL, antics of the GB OK! YOU ARE CUT FROM THE SAME TREE!!!
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CBG is right.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Can anyone confirm whether they have removed Pastor Julian A from Modesto?
Please pray for these men and their families.
The diffrence maker is when someone who has committed a wrongful sin and has REPENTED, asked for forgiveness,changed their ways versus someone who continues playing with fire. With that said, the GB had over 1 year to correct its fraudelent actions.
Instead, they grew even more evil.
Don't you hate it when people say "I'm impartial" then they go ahead and throw a stone or two themselves?!
IF you really are impartial you just say - "I'm praying for everyone".
Strongbeliever
I don't know about you because you really do seem to be straddling the fence. I think when the time is right you're gonna jump to the side that best suits you.
Eventhough you keep saying that the GB did wrong you keep defending their actions and finding no fault with them. How is that? You really don't seem to have convictions, maybe you're hoping they look your way and throw you a bone (a tithe paying church perhaps).
As for your comment:
IF YOU ALSO NOTICE THOSE WHO WERE SPEAKING OUT WERE ALL "YOUTH"
AND NOT VARONES OR DORCAS ALL YOUTH WHO WERE SPEAKING LOUDLY IN CHURCH THEIR PROTEST WHILE THE PASTOR WAS TRYING TO CONDUCT A PRAYER IN THE HOUSE OF GOD!
Okay so you should know that everyone acts according to their age. A two year old throws a tantrum, older and mature adults (some)take care of situations in a more sedate way, and youth express their emotions in a rebellious manner. Sure they are christians but they are still youth. So they are behaving just as they should - as youth who are disappointed with the actions of our leaders who are supposed to be an example to them.
I have been asked by sources to post this for all those that wish to support Dr. Baldmar Rodriguez:
June 29, 2008 - Sunday
Divine Strength Worship Center
Bilingual Service @ 2pm
Liberal Arts Building
701 South Mount Vernon Ave.
San Bernardino, CA 92410
Has anyone wondered with all that is happening within the assembly, what the general convention is going to look like.
CBG - “So because Baldemar was shady in his day that makes the UNETHICAL, IMMORAL, antics of the GB OK! YOU ARE CUT FROM THE SAME TREE!!!”
CBG, of course this does not make it right, but you have to agree, that he is a on the opposite site of the “sowing and reaping” principle, correct? We both know that he pulled pastors from their church for not paying their “tithe of tithe”. I know of them first hand (but in an effort to not open more wounds, I will not mention their names) that had the benefit of Baldy’s 911 to have them physically removed ;) So please, lets not offer him sainthood just yet.
Rambo – forgive me, my brother, Yes I am indeed praying for all parties. I don’t want any one to assume that I am pro/con, I am indeed impartial, as I see the error of both ways. I do want this pressing issue to drive us to change the future. We must remember that the current 8 GB members were not the ones who wrote the constitution but they are the ones that are exercising it bylaws on it.
If we really want change, trust me, throwing our dirty laundry out for all the world to see is not going to solve anything. I mean…c’mon the UPC church in the past 9 months has gone through their biggest split ever and your not going to find blogs or videos or their members using profanity so all the world can see their ignorance.
If we really want to CHANGE things…we (and by we I mean the Pastors of our AA) need to vote in a completely new 8 gb members. Yeah that’s right … a brand new board. And their 1st order of action is to pull the old “constitution” out and put together a task force to study it and to prove it, adjust it, amend it, shake it, etc, etc.
(I will not suggest any names, for I don’t want to be found guilty of preference or family ties).
Furthermore….
Someone mentioned in the video that “we don’t need the AA to worship god”… you are 100% correct! Go, and start a new church order, a new church organization, and new “fill in the blank here”. I will pray that God bless it, (as long as you stay Apostolic).
But remember this…when you birth something out of “protest” …eventually “protest” will return to you. What does that mean? That means that these same 4 men of God will appoint themselves as: President, Vice, Treasurer, Sec. Then in 20 yrs, you are going to have a new group of leaders under them making the same jokes and raising the same EYE Brows that they themselves raised in this day. Why do I know this?? – because history is funny that it has the tend to repeat itself.
"There were no cameras allowed for Kobe Bryant's trial, Peterson trial, Guantanamo detainees etc..."
OJ's trial was broascast on national tv.
Congressional Hearings are televised.
Even Guantanamo Detainees have a right to a trial, in a recent Supreme Court decision.And have rights.
Though tv broadcasts have been prohibited in some trials, they are all open to the public. Court records such as indictments, recorded testimony are public.
Furthermore, reporters are allowed to report.
Stood_by_2_long,
Your quote, "of course this does not make it right, but you have to agree, that he is a on the opposite site of the “sowing and reaping” principle, correct?" Listen my friend, TODAY, RIGHT NOW THIS IS NOT EVEN THE POINT!!! The point is whatever anybody else did in the past - IT IS GONE YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT! Rather than using the past as an excuse for the present dealing, STAND AGAINST THE LIES TODAY!
Whatever baldemar did in the past God will judge - I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PAST I CARE ABOUT NOW. What is happening NOW affects me!
As far as, "But remember this…when you birth something out of “protest” …eventually “protest” will return to you." Where do you think your apostolic freedoms came from? The PROTESTANT movement of centuries back! NOT ALL PROTEST will eventually return to you - Some protests are needed to make reformation. Instead of waiting for history to repeat itself, why don't YOU make history by standing for truth! Something your so called spiritual leaders lack!
Consider this, I'M NOT THE ONLY UNCONVERTED SINNER THAT IS WATCHING THE AA. So far you and your AA have very little to be desired! I even think Jesus Christ would be kicked out by your leaders!
Strongbelieveringod
I for a fact know that the Rodriguez family was not raised in SB. They were raised in Indio. It was not till they were in their late teen years that they became members of SB. Their music career began in Indio and Dr. Baldemar then furthered their career from then on. I know this because I am from Indio.
As far as your comments, God bless you.
CGB - "Whatever baldemar did in the past God will judge"
Then why not take that same position that you have for baldy and give it to the current GB, and let god judge.
______________________________
- I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PAST I CARE ABOUT NOW. What is happening NOW affects me!"
of course, your mad i can feel your words penetrating through my computer screen. But what happened to "letting the lord fight our battles"?
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I'm sorry but all this talk about "revolution" and "we're not going to stand for this" is quite funny to me. Because the only people that can really make a change is YOUR PASTORS VOTE.
And I say again...at the next election, vote them all off, if that is what you want; and start fresh anew.
Then take all this emotion and frustration that you have and aim it at the real enemy...THE DEVIL. Aim it at homosexuality, immoral living, addictions, gangs, GAS PRICES! Haha (lets keep it light)
Instead of spending energy on empty talks of "revolution" lets spend it on studying for your bible study (and of course i know with those words i'm going to get a ton of responses of people who give bible studies all the time :)
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CGB – I do think that the gb was ethically wrong in their moves, but that’s where I think that the pastors should take a stand and vote them off. Lets get rid of the C.I.D. (who know what that stands for anyway).
Who is CGB?
Strongbeliever,
I'm sorry but i just don't believe you were there that night. Varones and Dorcas DID in fact speak out. Remember the brother that asked what the problem was with the film? he was A Varon. How about bro zamorano. Like I said, I don't think you were really there. And if you were. Prove it:
WHO ARE YOU?
stood_by_2_long if u wanted footage then maybe u should have had a camera and took some!!!
Yea the DR. removed many pastors but if u look @ y, u would understand! but then again u might have been blinded by someone or something.
If u want 2 start a list start it and then show it 2 us and give the reasons y he did what he did!
LET'S ALL HAVE A BLESSED DAY & MEDITATE ON THIS...
Luke 17:3-5
So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him." The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!"
AND JUST A FEW THOUGHTS OF THE DAY...
None of us is qualified to do anything on our own. Our qualifications come from God.
True success comes from God and all He does through you.
The task ahead of you is never as great as the power behind you.
LET'S MEDITATE ON THESE LYRICS BY HEZEKIAH WALKER...
When the song is over
When the music stops
Do you know Jesus
Does He live in your heart
When your life is troubled
Jesus still wants to be a part
Do you know Jesus
Does He live in your heart
Do you believe that He was born
Do you believe that he died
Do you believe your sins can be forgiven by the blood from His side
Do you believe His love can reach you right where you are
Do you know Jesus
Does he live in your heart, oh
Do you know Jesus
Does he live in your heart
YOU KNOW CHURCH HAS BECOME SO COMMERCIAL UNTIL WE HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM ITS TRUE PURPOSE. IT HAS BECOME SUCH BIG BUSINESS UNTIL WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO OPERATE AND FUNCTION AS LONG AS THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE.PEOPLE ARE NOW MORE CONCERNED ABOUT RECORDING AND LIVING THE LIFE OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS RATHER THAN KNOWING JESUS. FOR THE TRUE PURPOSE OF THE CHURCH IS SOUL BUSINESS NOT BIG BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I RATHER HAVE NOTHING AND KNOW JESUS THAN TO HAVE EVERYTHING AND NOT KNOW HIM. YOU NEED TO CONFESS HIM TODAY!
Confess Him with your mouth
Believe Him in your heart
You can know Jesus
You can know Jesus in your heart
It's so good to know Jesus
Do you know Jesus
Does he live in your heart, oh
Do you know Jesus
He can live in your heart, oh
Do you know Jesus
He can live in your heart, oh
Do you know Jesus
He can live in your heart, oh
Do you know Jesus
He can live in your heart
Stood_by_2_long
Your comment:
"And I say again...at the next election, vote them all off, if that is what you want; and start fresh anew."
You still don't get it?!!!! This is exactly what this is all about. The ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL DISREGARD BY THE GB OF THE PASTORAL VOTE IN 2006 AT LONG BEACH!!!
ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL DISREGARD BY THE GB OF THE PASTORAL VOTE!!!
ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL DISREGARD BY THE GB OF THE PASTORAL VOTE!!!
ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL DISREGARD BY THE GB OF THE PASTORAL VOTE!!!
Get it everyone?! So just how does anyone propose that they can be voted out when there's 8 of them and they may just vote each other in again. I mean surely the Pastors are not going to go waste their time again or even make an effort to put in their little old vote that DOESN'T COUNT. My suggestion is that the Pastors just go to Disneyland or any other place while the men in power sit around and play musical chairs and re-elect themselves.
Because remember! and let's not get side-tracked here - all this happened because of the
ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL DISREGARD BY THE GB OF THE PASTORAL VOTE!!!
ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL DISREGARD BY THE GB OF THE PASTORAL VOTE!!!
ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL DISREGARD BY THE GB OF THE PASTORAL VOTE!!!
orangetree
You state the following: "I also, don't understand why they don't show the footage when they broke a window and spraypainted with red the offices. You know if your going to judge others come with CLEANS hands. Like the bible states if someone is with out sin to throw your rock down."
You state clearly: "You know if your going to judge others come with CLEANS hands."
Lets pratice what we preach please, I understand you may be upset and frustrated but really..re-read your comment and listen to yourself.
You automatically judge and then you say things like that. Again, I understand your hurt but you do not make yourself sound credible when your making an emotional speech and then throw a stone. It's rather contradictory. You almost had me but at the end, it all evaporated into thin air.
Other than that I will pray for you that God help you through your pain and I hope you are praying for those youth as well!
I wish more people would got to the FACTS and not to people. Anybody that read the ACTUAL San Bernardino Superior court transcript can tell The Judge even said it himself, HE MADE THE RULING WITH PREJUDICE. The JUDGE HIMSELF said it. He did not have enough evidence on both sides and there fore had to rule with Prejudice and encourages the plaintiffs to appeal 3 TIMES. Also I have seen pictures of the vandalism made to AA and there was no red spray paint. it was indeed vandalized and no matter how it was done, it was utterly wrong. But what happened was bad enough. There is no need to over dramatize by making up lies saying that windows were broken, etc.
People keep saying (lies) that not everything was shown in the video of the removal service at SB. SPEAK UP. WHO ARE YOU? I was there! and that video is a clear depiction of the events that will stay engraved in my mind forever. SO STOP LYING. GOD FORGIVE YOU. and if you would like to say otherwise then IDENTIFY yourself. Give yourself some credibility.
PAZ DE CRSIT!
MI NOMBRE ES EVELYN,Y PERTENESCO A LA IGLESIA APOSTOLICA DE BELLFLOWER Y ESTOY AQUI PARA DAR M I APOYO A TODOS ESOS PASTORES QUE SE LAS A QUITADO SUSPUESTOS DE PASTOR INJUSTAMENTE .....NO ES JUSTO LO ESTOS SEÑORES ESTAN HACIENDO .
SEÑORES DEJEN DE USAR EL; NOMBRE DE DIOS PARA HACER Y DESAHECER COMO LES DA LA GANA CON LOS SIERVOS DE DIOS Y AUN CON EL PUEBLO DE DIOS.
SEÑOR SANCHEZ USTED Y TODOA SU MESA DIRECRTIVA ESTAN HACIENDO KE LA ASAMBLEA ,LA IGLESIA APOSTOLICA ,NUESTRA DOCTRINA SEA MUY MAL ANTE TODAS LAS PERSONAS DENTRO Y FUERA DE LA IGLESIA.
DEJEN DE ADUEÑARSE DE NUESTROS TEMPLOS TERRENALES QUE ABASE DE AYUNOS ,ORACIONES Y AYUDADA FINACIERA DEL PUEBLO "DIEZMO Y OFRENDAS" PARA QUE ME ENTIENDAN MEJOR.......NOSOTROS LAS CMPRAMOS PARA VENIR A
ADORAR EL NOMBRE DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO Y PARA QUE ALMAS NUEVAS VENGAN AQUI A ESCUCHAR PALABRA DE DIOS.....ASI NO QUEREMOS MAS QUE USTEDES ABUSEN MAS DE NUESTRO PASTORES NI DE NOSOTROS EL PUEBLO DE DIOS......QUEREMOS QUE LAS ELECCIONES ,VOTOS SEAN LIBRES TANTO EN LA ASAMBLEAS NACIONALES ,DISTRICTALES Y AUN EN NUESTRAS IGLESIAS LOCALES....NO IMPORTA CUANTAS VECES USTEDES MENCIONEN EL NOMBRE DE DIOS PARA JUSTIFICAR LO QUE ESTAN HACIENDO.....LA PALABRA DE DIOS DICE "QUE POR SUS FRUTOS LOS CONOCEREMOS " EL FRUTO DE USTEDES SE VE SUS OJOS ESTAN PUESTO MAS EN LO FINANCIERO EN TODO EL TESORO TERRENAL QUE EN LO CELESTIAL.
ESTAMOS CON USTEDES PASTORES:
BALDEMAR RODRIGUEZ,
DANIEL SOLOMON
GUILLERMO MENDOZA
EFRAIN ANDRADE
ABEL TORRES
SAUL AVILA
AHORA FUERON USTEDES MAÑANA PUDIERA SER MI PASTOR, Y ESO NO LO VAMOS A PERMITIR.............
PIDO DISCULPA SI CON MI COMENTARIO OFENDO A MAS DE ALGUIEN NO ES MI INTECION OFENDER A NADIE ,SIMPLEMENTO ESTOY COMENTANDO MI DESACUERDO CON ESTOS SEÑORES DE LA ASAMBLEA
Mr Rambo...
I believe that the way it works, is that the 1st 3 positions are democratically based; meaning that there are no if's, ands, or buts about it. They are in as Pres, Vice, and i don't know the 3rd.
Then those 3 create the C.I.D. who is the qualifying board. I believe that this is where it got messy.
This is the issue that needs to addressed. I'm not too sure how the UPC does their elections..but i've never seen blogs or "enraged revolutionaries" after their elections. So maybe they got it right??
But yes, Mr Rambo, our pastors can speak, but it must come with the first 3 offices....wipe them out...start fresh...
There is where you'll find your "justice", not in vandalism, videos, bringing up dirt, profanity, etc, etc.
President Daniel G. Sánchez danielsanchez61@aol.com 714/563-9827
Vice-President Samuel Valverde aavp238@aol.com 909/980-2739
General Secretary Edward Pacheco gensec49@aol.com 909/280-9757
General Treasurer Leobardo A. Maffey, Jr. maffeygentreas@aol.com 714/651-0446
Secretary of Foreign Missions Aurelio Arthur Espinosa arthure238@aol.com 650/322-8767
Secretary of National Missions Abel F. Aguilar abelfaguilar@aol.com 714/543-1128
Secretary of Christian Education Ismael MartÃn del Campo ismaelmdc@aol.com 562/634-6548
Secretary of Social Assistance VÃctor O. Prado gecpstr@aol.com 505/833-0572
Can anyone confirm whether they have removed Pastor Julian A from Modesto?
I did get a call about this but if someone is from that area or the the church can you please confirm?
Please pray for these men and their families.
Stood_by_2_Long
Okay so I think we’re finally getting to where we can actually get off of square one. You say that after the first positions were voted on “this is where things got messy”. So why didn’t the GB at that time then dismiss the Pastors and tell them they were now going to fill in the rest of the positions themselves. That would have been more courteous than letting them think that they were still actually having a voice/vote in the matter. NO they continued with the farce. There were nominees who were getting 400 votes as opposed to TWO! That is the issue, that is the whole issue. If they in fact were exercising the questionable “CID” along with the “full of holes” constitution then they should have at that time made a statement and said so and not made total fools of the unsuspecting innocent Pastors.
Okay so it already happened approximately 18 months ago. All the gb had to do during all this time in the name of Christianity, in the name of good leadership, was to at lease apologize and in some way remedy the situation. Some sort of compromise would have been better than total disregard. They have refused to come to any agreement. It did not have to come to all this, all this chaos is their undoing. If you have been keeping up with everything pertaining to the issue at hand you must have read the many letters sent by the Plaintiffs where it was always asked of them in a courteous manner for some type of resolution. They were so, so wrong to have TOTALLY DISREGARDED THE PASTORAL VOTES AND NOT MAKING ANY AMENDS.
Maybe a lot of you are not aware but about a year-and-a-half ago our loving Pastor Leonardo Sepulveda was in the hospital. At that time Asst. Pastor Jose Ramos was assuming his role and doing a wonderful job. At this time the AA sent Ismael Martin Del Campo into our church and thats when everything went downhill! We were treated like unwanted step-children who were only being treated well because our parent (our sick pastor) was still alive. Once our Pastor passed away, thats when our Asst. Pastor was made by the AA false promises and was made to basically jump through hoops. Our Asst. Pastor did it because he wanted to be obedient and he wanted to keep the peace. One thing our Pastor Leonardo Sepulveda always told us is that when he died we were going to suffer. Boy did we. There is sooo much history behind CASA DE DIOS that a lot of you may know. Maybe about 10 to 15 years ago the church had tax problems. The AA NEVER stepped up to help the church. A couple of brothers, who no longer attend CASA DE DIOS on Florence in Los Angeles, were the ones who bailed out the church. Only when the Pastor Sepulveda passed away did the AA come running like vultures to a dead animal and fully took over. This church was PAID IN FULL and the AA had no part in it. This church had not only paid for the lot it sat on, but it also aquired the empty lots on the right and left of it, which were PAID IN FULL> Some of you may have heard that our now Pastor Jose Ramos was "disobedient" but that is far from the truth. The AA is scared and thats why is acting aggresive. We lost our church quietly and we know what you guys are going through. You want to start looking somewhere start by asking about Casa De Dios. The church was paid by members who have either passed away or are no longer there. Few who stayed behind also did pay for it, but thats only a handful. God has shown that our Pastor Ramos was not disobedient because his congregation has grown!!!! The Lord has blessed us sooooo much and has taken care of us. Don't be scared. We have gone through what you have and we are stronger than ever. Let the AA continue their path of destruction. All will be revealed at the end and they will pay for their sins. I feel for you guys but be strong!!!!! Keep recording and taking pictures because this is only the beginning. It started a long time ago but now it is becomming public. God Bless You All!!!
"APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY GENERAL CONFEENCE BOYCOTT". What would happen if there was a concentrated effort to boycott the Gen. Conf. in Dallas? What are your thoughts, especially any Pastors, Elders or Bishops...
or, what would happen if Pastors abstained themselves from sending in the infamous "diezmos de diezmos" which is totally unscriptural because the "tithe" belongs in the local house anyways. I'm only thinking what kind of "embargo" would best fit to send a message to the lil' puppies in the GB (acronym for Grossly Boring) LOL!
don't even think about it our pastors are to sacare to loose their salary knowin the Gb they pastors would be removed right away if they didn't send that money to the national
Anybody out thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Was Scam BadGreen's church protested today? It's too quiet! Did I miss something? Holler...
If all the Pastors that are borderline AA, would get together and not send their "diezmos de diezmos", the GB would have to go around the country turning out all the wildfires and this would totally tire them out because those fat boys can't run!
Think about it!
The General Board does not deny disregarding the vote/will of the Pastor & God. They just say the court found in their favor.
The judge didn't say no fraud was commited, he just said the constitution doesn't require the disqualifying board to consider the will of the pastors.
If we as members turn in our tithes as contributions and not as tithes, the pastor is not obligated to send tithes of thithes on contirbutions. He can not be removed because he is not disobeying the constitution. I am already practicing this action, NO CONTABAN CON MI ASTUCIA.
Pancho Villa...
That's a good start but on a larger scale, if Pastors send diddly, then it would hit them where they will really hurt, because then they wouldn't have the finances to expedite their fat salaries. As Shaq screamed after the Lakers last championship: "Can you dig it?"
Flan Sanchez
Scam Masverde
Eduardo Vaschueco
Cobarde Masfeo
Alpuro Espinacas
Yfalle Sarten Del Mambo
Azquiel Alquilar
Viktor Fraudo
...on the lighter side of things
Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKN-9gNSs0Q
Your in Trouble now sister;
Turn in your veil:
orangetree,
I'm sorry in any of your post you don't make sense at all. You speak or let's say write on a very low level. But one word of advice is do not challenge God's word. By saying that it means one thing to you and you turn around and cast judgement. May God bless you and have mercy on you for none of us "have clean hands" for we are human and always fall short of the glory God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKN-9gNSs0Q
Bella how beautiful! From the mouths of babes. The innocence yet wisdom of youth. God bless you.
orangetree,
i have 3 things for you.
1) have you even seen the AA headquarters? I have. There are NO broken windows. Get your facts straight. Lies and fake rumors don' get you anywhere.
2) Jesus DID in fact start a new movement. Its called CHRISTIANITY. you know, what you are allegedly following? AGAIN, educate yourself.
3) "THROW YOUR ROCK DOWN?" What bible version are you READING? doesn't the bible warn against manipulating his word? So you're either manipulating it or your just not smart enough to retain what your read. which one is it? Eres o te o haces?
I hope God doesn't punish u with a fuzzy chin and an unquechable hunger for mayonaise.
COOKIE!!!!!!!!
Who ever is responsible in placing this pic of the blacks being lynched, would you please remove it. I beleive that we all know what lynching means and your point has been made, but this is placed by a heartless person.
elteclas,
As we can see from our pastor's most of them do not agree or support the actions of the current board;however they are afraid to move a finger against them (GB). So, they will not stop sending tithes of thithes because of fear. All we have to do is either not turn in any tithes and eventually kill the local church, our blessings, and the HQ's. But the only one we want not to receive any of our blessings is the HQ's, that includes GB and all the Valverde and Pacheco gang at HQ's.
Just deliver offerings or contributions and HQ's will not receive anymore VERDES from us.
And you will see how every single of them will receive a message from God that working at the HQ's or being a Board Member is no longer their calling.
Atentamente,
Pancho
When we give a contribution to any organization, we are allowed to place restirctions on its use. If everyone were to designate the purpose for their contribution, and the 'mordida' is identified (Ie 'No portion of this conrtibution is to be forwarded to Tithes of Tithes), the local recipient is OBLIGATED to comply with your wishes.
Hey Peeps... Whats UP?
YEAH! Skotty's Back!!!
Paz De Cristo everyone!
I have a few comments to make about this whole situation.
My log-in name is General Board Member. You can assume what you wish.
I have worked very closely with many board members including all the president's that go back as far as Nava, Cantu, Valverde, Salazar, Vizcarra, Baldemar, Sanchez. (I also dealt with Mexico's leaders, i.e., Rivas, Gaxiola, and Perez.)
I was a regular at the first AA general offices on Olympic Blvd., in Los Angeles. That was before the general offices were moved to Beverly Blvd., in LA and then to its current location in Rancho Cucamonga.
I have had the privilege of working with all the board members of the general board previous to 2006 and also with the current general board. I also know many of the younger board members and bishops very well. Most of who have shared with me some very intimate things about themselves, their fears, dreams, theology and AA doctrinal disagreements.
My desire in blogging here, is not to "spill the beans" on them because I would only be adding to the disaccord that is going on between both sides.
I am friends with almost every single member of the board and know them on a first name basis. I know those who have been removed, just as well.
I have been at most of their homes and/or met privately with each of them on many occasions.
I simply say all this to establish what I am about to say.
I recognize that neither side has been correct in dealing with this whole 2006 elections situation.
MY CONCERN IS FOR YOU THE PEOPLE. YOU ARE ALLOWING THIS SITUATION TO DIVIDE YOU. Unfortunately, you are being forced to take sides.
When I saw the video part #2 of "The walk-out", I noticed one thing above everything else. Yes, I saw Baldemar being excommunicated (that is what happened if you don’t know). I hear some of you say that he wasn’t kicked out of his church, but everyone on the board knows that this is actually worse. Baldemar and everyone else that is being removed is permanently banned from associating in fellowship with anyone from the Assembly.
As an example, former President of the Assembly, Benjamin Cantu was removed from the Assembly as was former President Efrain Valverde. Cantu was excommunicated and know one was allowed to fellowship with him. For many years Cantu worked and his congregation grew and eventually one of the “good” bishops asked him to rejoin the Assembly. By this time, Nava had lost control of the Assembly and Cantu began to attend General Conventions again. He was never allowed to hold a position above pastor again.
With former president, Efrain Valverde, it was all about lawsuits, the sheriff and padlocks on his church building in Salinas, California. It was ugly! Much like is happening today!
The difference? The average apostolic (laity) did not understand how severe the situation was. Many will never know, except of a few of us that were there.
Now look at how families are divided within the AA organization. If you leave the AA you are called an outsider and visitation with your own family is frowned on.
What I saw in the video was people like Jacob & Diane Rodriguez having no choice but to leave in a show of support for the injustice to their pastor.
Jacob, Diane and their daughter's will now have a division within their family. Many of their family remain loyal AA members.
Jacob's brother is a minister within the organization. His mom, dad and family has served for many years in the AA. Diane has been a district ladies leader. Jacob's cousin is the General Board member Leobardo Maffey. How will this affect Jacob when they have a family reunion? Think about it. You are being divided.
I could say things about both sides that would BLOW YOUR MIND.
Like how many of them:
• Slip out with curse words,
• That many of them don't agree with the AA doctrine that they preach.
• That many ridicule the small pastor laboring in his local church.
• That many feel that most small church pastors should be closing up and should be swallowed up by the larger AA churches in their areas.
• The desire to sell the smaller church properties to be used for the larger churches.
• That they go to the movies
• That their wives wear pants, make-up & shorts on vacation
• The type of movies they watch at home
• That their is a lot of jealousy amongst them because of position, status and size of church.
My purpose is not to name, names.
The purpose is to tell YOU, each of you who have never been in the position that I have been in; to remember to LOOK UP TO THE LORD. You will absolutely be let down to know the kind of stuff these men do and say in the privacy of their home.
We hold many of these men on pedestals. Yes we should honor even imperfect men but don’t worship the ground they walk on.
Don't ask me to reveal names because that is not my purpose.
YOU, THE AVERAGE MEMBER OF THE A.A. NEED TO study your Word. Begin to know God for yourself. Understand the doctrine of Jesus Christ for yourself.
Martin Luther's theology challenged the authority of the papacy by holding that the BIBLE is the only infallible source of religious authority and that all baptized Christians under Jesus are a universal priesthood.
Luther's confrontation with the Holy Roman Emperor in 1521 resulted in his being declared an outlaw of the state as he had been excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.
It was then that "Main stream" Christianity (Protestant) began.
So let's look at the positive side of this whole fiasco.
Let God be God and everyone else a liar.
You are probably wondering which side I am on?
I am not on either side. But I watch as one side harm to each other and it is YOU, the laity of the AA who suffers the most.
In the past the fighting, bickering, power struggles were kept behind doors. But now in this day and age of the internet the boards ugly laundering is open for everyone to see.
Some of you (including the videographer) have tried to spin these video’s. Bottom line is that you can’t fool all the people all the time.
THE VIDEO DOESN'T LIE!
Remember the Rodney King video. The L.A. police department said that not everything was caught on the video and they tried to spin it as not bad. The fact of the matter is that the police have been doing this for a long time. But this time they were caught.
Nava, Cantu, Salazar, Vizcarra didn't ever get caught (except by God who will judge them) Baldemar, Sanchez and company have been exposed by YOU to their methods of handling vendetta’s within the AA organization.
My question is how will you respond?
Can we sue our pastor if he does send the tithes of tithes.LoL
I would give a contribution back to the church.
We have to do something to cut any funding to this GB.
Praise The Lord!
That is what we are here on Earth to do…To give HIM Praise!
I am coming here in peace to show how I feel about the whole situation. I do not come here to cause more chaos because others have done enough of that.
I come here to say that we must all be careful of what we say and do because if are really here to represent a God of Justice, we
Must remember his way. His ruling. The bible says:
"Do not pervert justice; …judge your neighbor fairly. Do not go about spreading slander among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD.“ Leviticus 19:14-16
I am young but I can still feel the tension and hatred that all of this has caused. It causes a lot of pain because I personally know Brother Baldemar. He is an amazing man of God and has been there for my family when in need. I see the love that many of the writers, on this page, have for Bro. Baldemar. I thank you very much. There are others who have love but are going about it the wrong way. If we really have God; If we really stand for a God of Justice, we must remember that everything is in his hands: He is our ultimate Judge. All we can do is pray to show our love because if we are being malicious towards our enemies and towards our brothers and sisters, than we have no reason to say we believe in God. God is love.
I have shed my tears for all of this chaos. I have been in the middle of it my whole life. As a Pastor’s daughter, there is always hatred and malicious thoughts towards those in authority. I do not commend the doings of those on our General Board. All I ask is that we be careful of what we say.
God is still watching above and by us causing hatred towards the GB does not make us any better.
The bible says that if we cause another to sin, we are just as awful as the sinner himself.
When we get to that Judgment day, we do not want God to ask us about how much hatred and sadness we caused. Lets make sure that when we get to that judgment day, we can stand honorably in front of God and he can say “[Your Name], I know you. Enter into my Kingdom.” The Lord wants us to stand for him but for us to take this matter into our own hands is not how things should be. Lets pray for the General Board. Believe it or Not, God created them as well.
P.S. If you continue to speak of those in authority, make sure you know exactly what you are talking about. Pastor Victor Prado is, as well, a very strong man of God. Do not maliciously speak without knowledge. Be careful…Speak with humility and Respect for the words that leave your mouth should represent a TRUE CHILD OF GOD.
This is not the last you hear of me. If you have any comments, feel free to write.
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
Respectfully,
Pastor’s Daughter :]
I have family on both side of this situation, including 2 family members on the "list". All I can say is that it is horrible how these men of God are being taken away from their churches. My father has been a Pastor & Bishop for the entire 29 years of my life. He has dedicated his life to the work of the Lord. To see him going thru this kills me. But I trust that God has a greater plan. Not just for him, but for each Pastor that has been removed.
As for the gb, God bless them. Because one day they will be held accountable for what they are doing.
It has always been in God's hands...
He decides what we go through,
We decide how we get through it...
Lets us all pray...
IN THE NAME OF JESUS
It has always been in God's hands...
He decides what we go through,
We decide how we get through it...
Lets us all pray...
IN THE NAME OF JESUS
Daretomove,
I believe you ave been sucked in. Don't feel you are holy enough to rebuke. A true prayer warrior doesn't need to announce it or blog about it. Practice what you preach, leave it to God. If you really feel these people are speaking hatred then tell God, and if he feels its wrong He will judge. Acting self righteous doesn't impact anyone. Take your own advice, PRAY ABOUT IT.
There is no difference. When we pray, it is in his name. Is it not?
As for the bitterness and hatred,
feel free!
I was merely trying to keep some
sanity between all this chaos.
As well as you have your opinion,
I have mine. I know that God is my
support and armor.
Antonio,
I read your post with interest.
Given what you know, without taking sides or exposing 'dirt', can you enlighten the blogs with the 'Southern District' connection?
As I understand it, Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Espinoza and Mesa(Aguilar) all come from the old SD. And, they were here under Efrain. Can some of what is going on be attributed to 'retribution'?
Stong Believer In God...
You Stated "But if you were going to do a video why not tape everything that happened from the beggining? There was alot of misconduct in the HOUSE OF GOD!!!!!!!!!"
What Exactly Are You Talking About?
The Camera Turned On When The Service Began...
Oh And Yeah ... OF COURSE YOU KNOW ME!
i Stated That Fact In The Videos...
daretomove,
what you say sounds nicebu the swift responses and tone imply otherwise. I can't help but feel that maybe YOU feel anger and bitterness. When you announce that allegedly God is yur armor, you imply that he isn't an armor for others. That is the prception you create.
Humble yourself sister.
We are ALL dust before God. Not one is righteous and I'm afraid that includes you.
GBU
I AM ASKING EVERY1 TO BOYCOTT THE FOLLOWING BLOG!!!!
http://blogapostolico.blogspot.com/
Fair and Balanced Rush???
Nice Try Dude.
Rush DOES NOT know how To Be fair AND Balanced!
He Is Censoring His Blog By Deleting All Comments That He Does Not Like...
I Ask Again Ignore The blog that Rush Started... Well You Can Do That
oR
You Can Be Like Me AND jUST ignore the IGNORANT rUSH!
Skotty,
There WAS something that happened before the service. I really wish that was caught on camera. Before the service started the choir was singing with praise and joy even as the bishops and GB looked at them with dirty looks. They even started the service early to shut them up. So i say to you stong believer in god, spea ou of knowledge. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt
Bro/Sister
I was not writing to show I am perfect. That is not at all what i was implying. All I was saying is that we must keep sanity and respect.
I mentioned that i have shed tears
for this whole situation. I have had my moments of anger but instead
of lashing out and criticizing, i saw it better to calm down. I do not take your response in any form
of anger. I just want people to understand.
Its not easy seeing people I love being hurt. (bro. baldemar & others) But i know that it would be better to try and add love to everything. Im sorry if i came off angry or "self righteous".
daretomove777,
what does it mean when you put quotes around self righteous? Again, little things like that imply sarcasm and you totally end up looking inconsisent and little confused. Analyze yourself sister.before you as others to act with love, make sure you are doing the same. Sarcasm is godly. Remove the plank from your own eye.... i'm sure u know the rest.... RIGHT?
Ohhhhh Snap... Klu Ur Right!!!
DUDE I WISH I GOT that on film! UGH!
Bella2133:
AWESOME!!!!!
God Bless You :)
BTW i meant to say sarcasm is NOT godly. excuse the typo
daretomove
i hope you mean it when u say that. God bless you isn't a way to taunt or to try to show people that you are more mature than they are. If you say God bless you, let it truly be a desire from your heart. God is not mocked. LET IT BE PROPHECY SISTER.
Just a reminder.
and i truly hope God DOES bless you.
Thank you for your question V-day!
I probably have a responsibility to share much with you and the rest of the bloggers in this place.
I will probably be more down the middle about everyone. I will call it like it is because I know both sides personally.
As far as the San Diego (Southern California District) connection?
Of course there is a lot of history with all the current board members either by them or their families in Southern District.
Sanchez pastored his first church when he took over from pastor Rojas in Solana Beach, CA.
Valverde was in Gilroy when his dad pastored, but then the family moved to San Diego with his dad Mike, who became a barber.
Pacheco joined the army and wasn't extremely active as a youth but observed a lot of the politics as he grew up. A lot of Pacheco's family is still from San Diego and some are still across the border.
Maffey was born in Tijuana and has some relatives in the San Diego area. Once in the US he spent most of his time in Orange County.
Espinoza married Sanchez sister, Ruth Sanchez Espinoza. His father and family attended National City church. He rose to prominence as the person who spent hours in the AA print shop.
Aguilar is married to former southern district bishop Mesa's daughter. Mostly raised in his uncle's church in San Bernardino where Baldemar was pastoring.
Martin Del Campo, was a youth leader in Mexico with the Iglesia Apostolica. He didn't become president so he left a little upset and joined the AA in the U.S.
Prado, was mostly a East LA kind of guy and attended Compton church. Claims to have been good friends with the comedian Paul Rodriguez. I do remember seeing them hanging out. He then climbed the latter within the youth department and pastored an L.A. church.
Did I miss someone?
To answer your question...is there a SD connection?
Sorry...THERE IS NOT, in my opinion.
Solomon and Aguilar are cousins. They haven't seen eye to eye for about 10 years(don't make me explain what happened, please...)
Aguilar and Valverde didn't see eye to eye in the past(that's putting it mildly). Now they are best of friends.
Maffey has always been Sanchez's man.
Sanchez and Aguilar were not best of friends(don't make me explain)
I have probably said enough.
APWC / Abel Torres
What is it like to be removed like you have done to other pastors. You know those two independent pastors you did not allow to start churches under the AA. Now when you start your new organization, that is if you and your congregation are not full of bitterness, make sure you set it up like the UPC or AA alliance.
I bet the white folk in the UPC think that hispanics are to too dumb to govern themselves. God job Balde and company. APWC I can not believe you and your people think you are revolutionaries. What does it feel like to be removed? By the way, I know some of your family members who have happened to see your blog name on Abel Torres' computer.
If you were to rate yourself, how bitter have you become? To me this is funny that you all think that you have accomplished anything other than making Christians look like a bunch of spectacles. Here is my prediction, Abel(yourself), Baldemar and whoever else is passing ill will to the less mature saints, you guys will fail because your spirits are full of bitterness. You guys should have left quietly and started churches without the drama. Now, the assembly and whatever church's you all start will continue to be small churches. This is my prediction, but APWC inform me if you do better. Hopefully you will do better than a moderate salary.
Now, before you start trying to use I can discern your spirit through the holyghost, maybe the GB discerned rebelliousness in your spirit. Good job leading a possible church division and defaming the AA to the world and making christians look pathetic.
All of the pastors and consentors should have hit road long ago. By the way, when did you go from being a fifth grade teacher to being an Electrical Engineer?
Onguard
My dear onguard,
Do you know what bolean algebra is? DO you know what differential equations are? Do you know anything about digital and analog circuits? Do you know anything about AND Gate, NOR Gates, NAND Gates, XO Gates, and so on. Do you know what BSEET stands for? Do you happen to know anything about auxiliary power units, electronic testing equipment such as oscillators, harmonic testers, and digital metters? Probably not!! Do you know what Dross is after a circuit board is soldered by a machine? Have ever heard of old CRT's, tubes, capacitance, resistance, inductance, etc., etc? Probably not my friend!
Anyway, I will not stoop down to your level of ignorance. However do know ONE thing, you ae talking to a real Pastor, with a real congregation, that ministers not only to sinners, but to widows, abused women, and foster children! Your disrispect is indicative of the present situation in our leadersdhip.
Also, I live nowhere close to Texas, and I don't even know Pastor Torres myself. So when you say, "I know some of your family members who have happened to see your blog name on Abel Torres' computer." This only proves to me the lack of credibility, and integrity your blogs and information have, NONE!
My dear friend, you manifest the same disrispect and comptent you accuse other of having towards the GB. YOU ARE JUST THE SAME!! So please waste your time someplace else with your assumptions of bitterness and hatred. I pastor because I have a calling NOT because I NEED A SALARY! May God have mercy on your soul.
APWC
Hey numb-nuts, its spelled DISRESPECT, not DISRISPECT. May God have mercy on your spelling and grammar skills.
Skotty---I want to thank you for the live footage you caught. It has been distressing, but very moving. I know of many pastors as well as evangelists and laypersons who have watched it sadly and wept.
I wept because I witnessed a historic event occur that I thought was precedent setting, but from reading this blog, I find that it seems more in line with AA tradition and custom.
Whatever Pastor Baldemar's tenure included, I didn't think that he deserved to be excommunicated. He is an Honorary Bishop President and that should mean something. When Ex-president Jimmy Carter met and visited with rogue Islamic nations and hamas in the middle east, you didn't see the U.S. stripping him of his title, benefits and protection; why? --Because the position he served is being honored although he acted dishonorably (and I'm not making a parallel comparison bet. Pastor Baldemar and Idiot Jimmy Carter).
I just think that we are always hearing from the pulpit that "we are a chosen generation . . ." and a "separate people," but yet our AA system does not act in a way that displays holiness and honors men of God.
Furthermore,as easily as the church was taken away from Pastor Baldemar and others by the current GB, those men are sitting ducks that can be easily taken out in the future by other GB members seeking retribution.
It's a vicious cycle. It's time to come into the 21st century and stop functioning under a catholic church model where the Vatican controls localities; but it's time to become an afiliation or something of the sort where pastors and their congregations keep the title and deed of their properties and plan for their own future . . . what a novel concept. . .
Onguard
So did APWC, the real electrical engineer, SHOCK you into silence. Can you feel the CURRENT? Are you still trying to look up all those words and terms? What a total fool that has nothing better to do than to sit around trying to foolishly guess who’s who. Now everyone knows who you are - a total fool, you proved it. Why don’t you try to find another OUTLET to vent your frustrations?
Sorry APWC that’s the extent of my electrical knowledge. That and of course that outrageous bill that arrives every month.
The Ladies have put very minimal effort in their comments/posts. I wonder if there are any ladies out there that would be honest enough and show your true feelings/thoughts since most are great at feeling with their hearts. Just curious...
Has anyone noticed that there are more "bashers" on here than usual?
That the people that feel they are "just" are not replying much to those from the AA?
Maybe they are moving on and the AA can't handle it?
I wonder what would happen if someone copied all this and mailed it to the general offices?
That is, of course, unless all the AA bashers delete more of their comments.
The Modern Preacher and the Ancient Text said...
Just some observations...
1. Baldemar asked more than a question.
Yes, he did. He challenged the GB to come clean with the election scam/fraud
2. What a sad little church that was... you'd think a leader of this great organization would build something better than that..
You obviously have no clue. San Bernardino sold a much larger facility to a community college. In return, they not only received compensation, they are allowed to use the college facilities for their services. The church you saw on the video, has belonged to them since the days of Pastor Aguilar. They own five acres of land there. The reason they sold the other building, is to build on this land. The process has already begun. A great leader doesn’t rush to action, he plans diligently.
3. Why does a Pastor put his congregation through this mess? His actions have a DIRECT EFFECT on the congregation. Maybe thinking EVERYTHING through was important..
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. If the Pastor refuses to stand for the truth, (as many Pastors have just sat back and watched in fear) they teach their member to live in fear! Fear is faith in the enemy!!!!!!!!
4. I felt bad for the Elders... some appeared very reluctant to be there. But then again, observation #3 kind of addresses that. .
The Elders lack true leadership skills. One wants to be called ‘Prophet’ another speaks out against the election fraud, but then cowers under the board. Remember the BALLs are in SANCHEZ court. These ‘Elders’ obviously don’t have any or they would have resigned their positions rather than touch the man of God. David cut the hem of Sauls garment, Theses guys tried to cut what they are missing!
5. The childesh youTube videos are just that... childesh. At 14 you should be trying to find yourself rather than slam a Bishop online. But that's the next generation for you... knowing more about HTML than ACTS..
How many time did you watch them?
6. Man... Tafoya went out with his tail between his legs. .
True, Sanchez has his too
7. Avila went out with his head held up high. He'll do all right for himself minus the AA..
Agree! Hopefully he won't abandon the cause. The AA is worth saving!
8. I think this whole mess really was the result of the placement of one individual..
Agree! The ultimate scammer – Edward Pachueco! Don’t ever buy a car, house, or even a single word from Napoleon!
Don't you think that they are on this blog-site? Look at the AA Official website! They sent out a so called "Press Release" last week, defending their decisions and position on this matter because they are very concerned and scared about the possibilities of what could become w/o realizing that they have validated everything that's going on! Think about it!
modern preacher and his empty words
You almost sound like your a Pastor from the AA or even one that was at the removal service? If so, then you have a substantial argument.
However, if you were not there and you only viewed the video for 30 seconds, then maybe thats why you fail to understand?
Do this blog a favor, watch the videos and then come back with a substantial argument.
The truth is that there was a conspiracy to defraud the pastors of their vote. The GB pulled the wool over the eyes of the pastors using the infamous CID, and they succeeded. Sure the pastors approved the CID, however, we did not know that this diabolical document was going to be used in such an under handed manner as to rob our votes.
As the result of their dastardly actions, they are now suffering the repercussions. Pastors and lay people alike are angry and see the GB with disdain. How can anybody respect such leaders? How can they be introduced with the proper protocols of “Honorable Board?” There was nothing honorable about stealing our votes.
The only way they can remedy and clean up this mess is to ask for forgiveness and hold another election. This “Road Map” will bring healing to the Assembly and make “Healthy Pastors.” This is the “Strategy of Jesus” that will bring about Godly repentance and true restoration to our organization.
What do you think?
Onguard it is more like asleep at the wheel guard. No one at Pastor Torres church is the least bit bitter I was visiting there a couple months ago. They seem to be in good cheer.
(CBS/AP) Rush Limbaugh and prosecutors in the long-running prescription fraud case against him have reached a deal calling for the only charge against the conservative commentator to be dropped without a guilty plea if he continues treatment, his attorney said Friday.
Limbaugh turned himself in to authorities on a warrant filed Friday charging him with fraud to conceal information to obtain prescriptions, said Teri Barbera, a spokeswoman for the Palm Beach County Jail. He and his attorney Roy Black left about an hour later, after Limbaugh was photographed and fingerprinted and he posted $3,000 bail, Barbera said.
Prosecutors' three-year investigation of Limbaugh began after he publicly acknowledged being addicted to pain medication and entered a rehabilitation program. They accused Limbaugh of "doctor shopping," or illegally deceiving multiple doctors to receive overlapping prescriptions, after learning that he received about 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors in six months, at a pharmacy near his Palm Beach mansion.
Limbaugh, who pleaded not guilty Friday, has steadfastly denied doctor shopping. Black said the charge will be dismissed in 18 months if Limbaugh complies with court guidelines.
"Mr. Limbaugh and I have maintained from the start that there was no doctor shopping, and we continue to hold this position," Black said in an e-mailed statement.
Limbaugh spokesman Tony Knight said the commentator signed the agreement Thursday, and that it called for him to enter the not guilty plea. "It's not in the system moving toward trial. It was all a formality. It's a concluded deal," Knight said.
Limbaugh has a huge audience -- 14 to 20 million people listen to his show every week, reports CBS News correspondent Bob Orr.
Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney's office, said prosecutors had not yet received the signed agreement.
"I am not disputing the facts, the conditions that Black represented, but until his client signed the agreement, we don't have a full agreement," Edmondson said. "I am sure it's just a timeline issue."
He refused to comment further.
As a primary condition of the dismissal, Limbaugh must continue to seek treatment from the doctor he has seen for the past 2½ years, Black said. Among other provisions, he also has agreed to pay the state $30,000 to defray its investigative costs, Black said.
The warrant alleges that sometime between February and August 2003, Limbaugh withheld information from a medical practitioner from whom he sought to obtain a controlled substance or a prescription for a controlled substance.
Prosecutors began investigating Limbaugh in 2003 after the National Enquirer reported his housekeeper's allegations that he had abused OxyContin and other painkillers. He soon took a five-week leave from his radio show to enter a rehabilitation program and acknowledged he had become addicted to pain medication. He blamed it on severe back pain.
Before his own problems became public, Limbaugh had decried drug use and abuse and mocked President Clinton for saying he had not inhaled when he tried marijuana. He often made the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.
"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Limbaugh said on his short-lived television show on Oct. 5, 1995.
Prosecutors seized Limbaugh's medical records after learning about the painkillers he had received at the Palm Beach pharmacy. The investigation was held up as the prosecutors and Black battled in court over whether the records were properly seized.
Limbaugh reported five years ago that he had lost most of his hearing because of an autoimmune inner-ear disease. He had surgery to have an electronic device placed in his skull to restore his hearing. But research shows that abusing opiate-based painkillers also can cause profound hearing loss.
In 2003, Limbaugh said he started taking painkillers "some years ago" after a doctor prescribed them following a spinal surgery. His back pain stemming from the surgery persisted, so Limbaugh said he started taking pills and became hooked.
"Over the past several years I have tried to break my dependence on pain pills and, in fact, twice checked myself into medical facilities in an attempt to do so," Limbaugh said at the time. "I have recently agreed with my physician about the next steps
The Modern Preacher and His Empty Words.
Watch And Be Informed...
"The childesh youTube videos are just that... childesh. At 14 you should be trying to find yourself rather than slam a Bishop online. But that's the next generation for you... knowing more about HTML than ACTS."
what r u talking about?!?!?!
What Videos Do YOU think People Are Watching???
bUT dON'T worry
I WILL SHOW YOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KWc9I5D5YI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4nnD3x2UKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsnffmcByZw
14 y/o Girl eH???
The Modern Preacher and the Ancient Text said...
Why is EVERYTHING coming out of the Board written off as diabolic and "of the devil"? Some immature people have called the Cell/Small Group effort as "Devil Strategy" or other such things
FYI, the CELL/Small group effort is NOT a "devil strategy". I have said such thing refering to the GB ONLY, not the AA.
Furthermore, our church had already been in full force with the "Jesus Strategy" cell grops BOTH youth and general groups since the start of this year. Our church is pretty modern, realistic in the modern world. We believe in the cell group being very effective by being a therapeutical environment, a real-deal situations for not only church members but reaching out to the lost, in need,etc. I'm sure there are MANY churches who have already implemented this strategy. I hope that clears everything as far as I am concerned.
YES, the Midland church is doing just fine, moving right alongside with the LORD.
hey scotty,
after you guys start your new church organization. And after Baldy appoints himself and Pres/CEO.
I'm going to take my camera to the removal of the first pastor that doesn't pay his tithe of tithe and post it on online. then we'll see how you like buddy.
Empty Threats Are A Sign Of Someone Who Is Lost...
May God Bless You In All That You Endeavor
Stood By 2 Long
For those of you that didn't know the "New GB" "Sanchez and his gang" were in North Texas looking at some possible areas to build the new headquaters and they bought an area of 2.8 acress in the area of Frisco, Texas about 20 miles North of Dallas. Well i guess is up to all of you to fund the new construction of the "Future AA Texas Headquaters"
For those of you that didn't know the "New GB" "Sanchez and his gang" were in North Texas looking at some possible areas to build the new headquaters and they bought an area of 2.8 acress in the area of Frisco, Texas about 20 miles North of Dallas. Well i guess is up to all of you to fund the new construction of the "Future AA Texas Headquaters"
Scotty,
of course that was an empty threat...I don't think that God would approve of such an action. To take something that is as sensitive as that (no doubt difficult process) and to post it online for the world to see.
I agree with Mr Modern Preacher,
why not using your video editing talents for the Gospils sake rather than to defuse it?
The Apostolic Church is being portrayed by some in the blogsphere as a corrupt organization that is run by thugs, thieves, liars, cheaters and even murderers. These bloggers are filled with hate, resentment, pain and frustration. SEE THE REST OF THIS ARTICLE www.blogapostolico.blogspot.com
FAIR AND BALANCED
Without_Ceasing
You know . . . many people say ‘God is in control’. And yes – He is sovereign – but God does not control our will. He has given us FREE WILL. He allows us to make mistakes. Even to commit FRAUD and disregard votes and remove God fearing Pastors and pilfer money and buildings and more!
God will be in control of your life IF you allow Him and place yourself in HIS WILL. Then GB are doing things on their own. As they said in the old days – God got out of the car as soon as you hit 61 MPH!
RUSH: FAIR AND BALANCED
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To Modern Preacher,
In your reference you the young lady, you said, "At 14 you should be trying to find yourself rather than slam a Bishop online. But that's the next generation for you... knowing more about HTML than ACTS.."
What is wrong with what she said? She was conveying her feelings very candidly and openly. Everything rises and falls on leadership and how can she 'find herself' when those in leadership positions are behaving themselves childishly?
She does represent the generation of today who have been let down by our leaders. How can "she find herself" when there is no one worthy of modeling after? We have Saul's instead of David's who are willing to pursue one another and are what seems like retribution instead of resolving things peaceably and justly.
These "men of God" are so entrenched with lawsuits and confiscations of church property that what does that teach her? How can she trust the men of of God in her life when she sees how they behave under conflict and pressure by outing one another. . .???? You should leave her alone!
One has to lead by example, and the dissenting pastors went to the GB first to try and resolve the grievance. When they did not come to a mutual understanding or resolution they went to court . . . what is wrong with that?????--I believe that's even Biblical!
We do not live in a tyrannical society. There are methods of appeal allotted to us (Thank God) for unjust cases such as what happened with the votes in 2006.
Bottom line, this situation went to court, GB's side was withheld---fine. Move on and forgive or learn to live amicably with one another; but to go to the next step and start a "hit list" against foundational ministries such as Pastor Baldemar's, Pastor Solomon's etc. . . .and excommunicate them?????
How can this young 14 year old girl not be confused, upset and completely let down?
stood by 2 long
You stated: "hey scotty,
after you guys start your new church organization. And after Baldy appoints himself and Pres/CEO. I'm going to take my camera to the removal of the first pastor that doesn't pay his tithe of tithe and post it on online. then we'll see how you like buddy."
You sound pretty bitter and if you are willing to hold a grudge, that's just sad. I can see why you are this way but think about your future and don't dwell on those that left the AA. Aren't you happy where you're at?
My last question is...what makes you think Skotty was apart of the AA or will even be apart of the new organization (which by the way you're claiming a new organization for those that left)?
PREACH MODERN PREACHER!
RUSH: FAIR AND BALANCED
www.blogapostolico.blogspot.com
Modern Preacher,
You kill your credibility by being biased. everyone sees through your one sided arguments. Don't say there are mistakes on both sides if you don't mean. Don't try to sound neutral and mature, because it is evident that your not. If you were, then you wouldn't be blogging on here. SIMPLE AS THAT.
fyi, learn your history about SB building project before you bash it. Get the info straight from the source, not from someone you know that knows someone that knows someone.
Modern preacher.
its fine your taking that position. just don't expect people to take you seriously when you say you are neutral but then bash Bro Rodriguez and advocate the aa & gb. its inconsistent and contradictory. be transparent.
To Modern Preacher,
I agree with your comments and perspective, but cut the girl some slack, we don't live on an island unto ourselves. She is responding to the mess that she is observing all around her in the organization. We do have certain expectations of our organization as we should.
Our organization should foster ministries and help people like this young lady reach her potential in Christ. Isn't that why we assemble together to be edified and to build our relationship with Christ together, precept upon precept? Paul himself said, "imitate me as I imitate Christ (I Corinthians 11). These men of God have a responsibility to lead by example and to show the fruits of the Spirit in their lives, not fruits of vengeance. The Bible, says, "vengeance is of the Lords."
I wouldn't be so presumptuous to say, "At my church, none of our 14 year olds are concerned about Dr. Rodriguez."--Are you kidding me??? If they have been raised in the AA and have access to a computer and are in the least bit conscious of the severity of actions in the AA right now, how can they not be impacted? If they are not impacted now, they will be to some extent when they are older and are more aware of their surroundings.
Anyhow, I agree counsel is desperately needed to our young people in this hour, but healing won't come with suppression of feelings. This little girl was not disrespectful she was only conveying her response to this ugly mess.
You stated, "Men/Leaders are STILL FLESH. They are going to make mistakes and make choices that are not popular. If we continue to set our STANDARD on the STANDARDS of MEN, then we are destined for failure because men/women fail. Our STANDARD needs to be on GOD and SCRIPTURE."
My goodness, with all due respect you don't seem to have very high expectations of the men of God in your life. I do. I expect more from Holy Ghost filled, baptized in Jesus' Name men of God who have seasoned ministries and a responsible to their flocks.
In my opinion the current GB's actions do not befit holiness. I am not going to try and rationalize their actions because their actions are not simply "mistakes" they are clear, calculated, pre-mediated actions! A lot of homework went into the confiscation of the church properties of "Honorary Bishop President" Baldemar and others.
Despite this mess, it's good to know that there are people out there who are going to support their young people with the "right perspective." I hope you are one of them.
modern preacher
1) pastor baldemar has been there since the early 90's. A few years later, they acquired the propert on ezperanza st that was double the size of 6th st. they retained both properties until last year when the valley college proposed a genrous offer to the congregation which the unanimously agreed to. Thats when the project began. Indio generously donated their plans for their new temple and the fund raisng began.
as far as congregation, i have not been at the church long enough to know first hand. I am humble enough to recognize that. But i can tell you that our membership before the removal was at 260 members which is a definite growth since 1999 when its membership was just under 90.
Carlos,
I must correct you in something. The congregation in 1999 was actually a little less than 90. I believe it had the reputation for having no youth and was referred to as the "viejitos Church" Since then they have about 50-60 youth and 260 members total.
So is there growth? The NUMBERS donot lie.
You are not being transparent by preaching a neutrality that you do not possess. I'm sure you would LIKE to be neutral but your just not. Your words betray you. and about pastor baldemars church, i have already addressed it. try to read all of my responses before you continue your baldemar bashing.
Does anybody know how Dr. Baldemar's church service went yesterday?
Does anyone know how Bishop Sam's service went also? I heard there was going to be a protest at his church yesterday!
This just in!
Bro Galarza from 1st riverside church in the IDCN is getting lynched.
anyone here from Riverside? please Update/Clarify.
where's skotty when you need him?
modern preacher,
you are so ignorant. you hear what you want to hear. they've started building since LAST year. Get your eyes checked or learn to read. I specifically said that in the post. Don't twist peoples words. and if the cong was around 80 as klu pointed in 1999 and grew to 260 in 2007 thats a 325% growth in 9 years. and thats SOULS not recycled Christians.
modern preacher
THIS is what i said, read carefully. Sound words out if you need to:
pastor baldemar has been there since the early 90's. A few years later, they acquired the propert on ezperanza st that was double the size of 6th st. they retained both properties until last year when the valley college proposed a genrous offer to the congregation which the unanimously agreed to. Thats when the project began. Indio generously donated their plans for their new temple and the fund raisng began.
i CLEARLY say that the building started when we sold our church on ezperanza st last year. (which was twice the size of 6th st).
that is not 15 years, buddy. But no worries. If i was one sided like you i would hear what i wanted to hear too.
Yes Modern Preacher, your words have betrayed you, as have your thoughts. Next you'll here someone tell you that Obi-Wan was wise to hide your sister from me and that you need to know the power of the darkside.
As for the 14 year old rant - that was FREAKIN incredible for a FREAKIN 14 year old. Yea, I definitely think she speaks for her FREAKIN generation. What a FREAKIN future! Lugo you'd better FREAKIN watch out!
Hey how can I join the REVOLUTIONARIES OF JUSTICE? Is there a secret password? Do I get a decoder ring? Do we have an underground meeting place so as to not reveal our true identities? This is awesome! I always want to dress up as a superhero and disguise my voice on videos!
anyone from 1st riverside church:
Revolutionaries4justice are to help! you are not alone!
email Revolutionaries4justice@hotmail.com
modernpreacher,
just fine. and you?
All that you have accomplished with your rants, modern preacher, is to solidify in all our minds where your loyalties rest.
AMEN mb. He jsut so blinded in his own desires to be good christian and to be nuetral, he doesn't realize how one sided he actually is. poor guy. God bless him.
btw a tap dance sound rather entertaining right about now. Do you know "Bicycle Built For Two"?
Here's an added tidbit for your conversation. Eight of those years BR was President of the AA. He could have very easily placed his local church at the top of the pile and channeled $$ & resources to complete his project. I guess if his name was 'Pachueco' or 'Valverde' or even 'Aguilar' he might have done that.
modernPreacher,
Well for right now, I am on vacation! You see i work for a company on Forbes 100 best companies to work for and as a result i get 5 paid vacations weeks a year. chew on that while you are working away working for a couple of bucks above minimum wage.
But to answer your question, I am a Branch Manager for a national Bank.
To Modern Preacher,
Regarding your response to the scripture "imitate me as I imitate Christ (I Corinthians 11)." I get what you're saying.. . I'm right there with you, but remember more is caught than taught. . . anyhow moving on . . . (I guess I'm in a blogging mood).
I still think you're presumptuous, but I get where you're coming from. You are enjoying the blessings and benefits from a growing local ministry. I hope it lasts a long time, especially due to all of the young converts in your church.
Ok, maybe your church overall is ignorant and just not into the AA history--Maybe church members will generally not ever be curious about AA history and roots such as the Azuza Street beginnings that birthed a phenomenal spiritual explosion that represented God's touch and new movement to the U.S.--Fine, but, as a member of the AA you are not untouchable, nor is your wonderful pastor.
If he handed over the title of his church and any other property your church may work hard on acquiring, it can easily be taken away if your pastor is not in "right standing" with the AA now or in the future.
I just wouldn't want you to be terribly disappointed if the worst were to occur in your neck of the woods and someone knocked on the doorstep of your local ministry asking for the keys.
It seems like you are in denial when you say, "We're not the typical AA church." Let me enlighten you ( I hate to sound like the cynic), the "typical AA church" is one in which the people nor pastor do NOT own the ministry or the work.
Don't get me wrong God is blessing the works of your pastor and your congregations' hands, but don't think that you all have a say in the future of the work, especially when it's time for your pastor to retire or move on. . .
Word to the wise tell your pastor to incorporate if he hasn't done so already. Maybe then your local ministry will continue to be the driving force in your community as it sounds like you are.. . God Bless.
"When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn." ----Let's hope your district NEVER experiences the tenure of a wicked, depraved, money starved bishop as we had in Arizona w/ Tafoya and others have experienced in other states.
Modernpreacher,
I am sure you can tap dance to it. Your used to be a puppet aren't you? You got the AA programming your every move.
itsnotovertillitsover is so right. He could have channeled those funds during those 8 years, but what good is a building that seats 1000 when you had a congregation of 60. Or was it 80? No wait 260. Now thats looking at the future!
CARLOS! I know who you are! how are you bro? how are things at the new church?
Klu,
Yea i'm sure you know who i am. I dont't hide it like other people. all you had to is ask. but the 1st service was yesterday and we had 200 people attend and pledge membership. Its all really exciting.
so I have a question for all the Revolutionaries....assuming that there are no more removals....
what is your next move?
I mean,I assume your primary ministry (err...thing that you do) is to exploit decisions that you are not in agreement with the AA.
like are you all going to stay in the AA, and every time the GB make a decision are you going to show up with those silly signs and a video camera?
I'd hope that ye'll have other objectives to do (like winning souls?) rather than just protest.
yeah yeah, i know i'm going to get a mouth full from all of you, but this is funny to me.
modern preacher,
i guess i didn't have to rack up hours for my 5 weeks. i get them whether i work or not. yea its pretty nice. its called EXEMPT SALARY status. but you know all about that.
I'm still waiting for that tap dance, btw. yea at 22 i'm not doing so bad... how old are you again modern preacher?
To Modern Preacher,
Cool. If the "hear no evil, see no evil" strategy works for you. Good. Que Dios te bendiga. . . .
Sorry modernpreacher,
i call it as i see. And about the fighting, YOU started it by implying i don't have a job. Little did you know that i DO have a job, and probably a better, higher paying job than you. So don't act all holy and mature all of a sudden. Again, your words betray you.
thats kind of sad, starting grad school at 27. usually your supposed to be in your early twenties. even if he got two undergrads, he's till two years behind.
so tell me modernpreacher, How many times HAVE you been on academic probation.
Carlos, do u still go to UCR?
Klu,
Brother, I say this with all respect. I'm glad you know me, it is no secret. But who are you?
I wish everyone here was less candid about their identity and get out with it. WHO ARE ALL YOU?
This is FREAKIN awesome banter! Age, vacations, job status... oh I love it! Please give us more!
The Modern Preacher and the Ancient Text said...
. . . And really IT DOES NOT AFFECT ME in any way.
True, it does not affect you in any way today, however, when the for years end and the process is repeated, President Samuel Valverde and Vice President Eddie ‘two-vote’ Pacheco can decide your location is no longer required.
I.e. You live in an area near Fontana. Your church building is sold – you don’t care – all of the members of your congregation are advised they must not attend the mega-church. There they are told to sell all they have and turn it over to the church – Pastor wants a yacht. At the next ‘Santa Cena’ they are given some Koolaid for wine and you say HUH?? What happened. I thought I was not being ‘directly impacted’!!!
There are none so blind as he who will not see
This is FREAKIN awesome banter! Age, vacations, job status... oh I love it! Please give us more!
make way for the mega churches! Fontana and Indio for sure. Throw in Corona which will turn into a mega church when they close the surrounding churches (arlington, riverside, 1 and 2 pomona, chino, o...) who am i missing? who else will be a mega church?
One in Santa Ana (Near the railway so there's a reason to Yell!)
One in Los Angeles (Taco Bell)
One at Rose Hills where Sanchez is trying to place everyone near him
Artie gets Texas!
Corona's gonna have lots of 'Cell groups' They'll meet in the Pacheco homes. It'll give two vote an excuse to buy more and make the church pay for them!
whatever moderpreacher.
save it for the naive. you know very well what you were doing. so cut the "whoa is me. i'm such an innocent victim. why doens't anybody like me?" baloney. YOU SAID:
"Carlos... ok. Work is crazy sometimes. It keeps you from being active on blogs like this, but this is the most I've done in a while. What do you do to pay the bills?"
by me currently bloggin on here you imply (deny it all u want) that i do it because i must not have a job. You go as far as saying that that is the reason why you yourself haven't blogging lately. Let me fill you in on something. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE BUDDY. go back and look at the blogs.
like i said. we're not stupid here. Don't say something with bad intentions and expect people not to see it.
food for though.
Read it again 'Modern'
Just citing an example. You say you are not affected, but by the time you are - it will be too late. All because you sat and did nothing.
Jesus didn't sit around. He threw out the Pachecos - I mean the money changers.
Carlos
I'm Skotty ;)
itsnotover.
LOL! I LOVE that last sentence!
He sure did throw out the PACHUECOS 2k years and he will do the same in our time.
modernpreacher,
looks like you got SHUT UP. I guess its true when they say truth is a double edged sword.
Carlos,
I will call you and tell you who i am. I don't wish to publicize my identity but I am a supporter of your pastor and your new church.
thanks modernpreacher,
but i'm afraid i did not need your permission to go back to my vacation and my "fat job." :)
God gave it to me. Not you. :)
so does this mean i don't get a tap dance? :(
whats up skotty?!
hahahahaha.
whens the next video coming?
a contigency plan, eh?
i can tell everyone what that is.
Basically you form your own non profit corp under a different tax id. You move all the church's assets under that new entity. It is best to do it right at purchase of a property that way there is not title issues. liquid funds are easier to transfer than grant deeds.
So by doing that, The AA can't touch your building pastor or money.
heres the big BUT...
all of this is against the constitution. i wonder what the honarable GB would think about that...
what church do you got to again modern preacher?
Carlos,
how easy is it to do all of that?
easier than you think. just ask FTC's very own Sam Valverde. i gotta hand it to the guy... he's smart. Did it right at the right time. Has all of his money under "fountain of truth, inc" and os is the title.
do a little research.
the figures do not lie.
Man I got to thank you gentleman, this was a slow Monday at my "skinny" job and you have provided us with much entertainment
All I can say to that last comment... and the plot thickens ...
CARLOS,
You sir are coming off as a jerk !
Why would you brag about having a good paying job and that it is probably better paying than modern preacher's ?
A true Christian and mature Gentleman never brags about that.
GOD detests pride and arrogance so humble yourself because all of that can be taken from you overnight.
And no matter how great of a job you have you are still only a cog in the machine unless you own and run your own business.
So dont brag it is not becoming of a christian.
REALLY?
Allow me to play your bluff.
enlighten us.
what other way can you stop the AA in seizing something that is theirs?
If every church in the AA did exactly what the constitution says as far as money, titles etc, then the AA would very much be able to seize them. it belongs to them. they are on title.
so educate us.
FROM RELIABLE SOURCES IN TEXAS: HNO. ROMAN ARREOLA IS HOME AND WAS IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY, LOOKS REAL GOOD AND HE STATES HE FEELS GOOD. THANK GOD FOR HIS MIRACLES AND FOR BRO. ARREOLA!!
ROME,
if you at your 5th grade reading level had read all of the blog you would know i was responding to implications that i did not have a job.
Don't get all crazy. its called testifying about what God's given me. i give HIM the glory. so don't throw the first stone rome. its not polite.
Carlos,
Say what you will but bragging is bragging and it is distasteful.
And school yard put downs do not work with me.
I was just making an observation on your comments.
But I guess your too arrogant to see how bad it comes off to brag that you have a better job,car,home,career,education than someone else.
You sir lack maturity and it shows BIGTIME !
Rome,
at least i was was bold enough to actually say it and not imply it. and it really doesn't matter if you think that i was bragging. cause i wasn't. period.
you have the perception of that and its maybe cause you have a prejudice on the whole situation so you attack the debater not his point in the debate. and THAT's because you know he's right in all of it and that's best you can do. if thats not playground antics, i don't know WHAT is.
I agree with someone elses earlier post.
What really matters when all is said and done is reaching souls.
The AA is after all just an organization created and run by flawed Men.
So there is so much work to do for The End Time Harvest of Souls so let's get to work.
If the ousted Pastors and Bishops begin a new Organization will it be free of any politics and nepotism ?
Maybe at it's inception but give it time and it will all creep back in again.
It is human nature.
Just work for God at your local church and let's move on.
Let the cholos have their AA.
btw rome, i MUST say. Your style of debate seems rather familiar to me...
i wonder why.
ok Carlos,
I just made an observation.
Take it however you wish sir.
That is just the way you came off.
rome,
shame shame shame.
don't generalize. thats the way i came off in YOUR OPINION. don't speak for others dear. its not nice.
Modern Preacher,
You said,"My church actually has a contingency plan with this whole thing in the works. One that really ensures our building is untouched."
Wow! No wonder you could "care less" about other churches being confiscated because your church already has a plan in place, huh? I guess this is the new AA hybrid that only savvy pastors are implementing.
And, yes it is called apathy when you could "care less" about what happens to your fellow brethren.
I would love to feel as emotionally disconnected as you. . . beam me up to this fairly land you live in. . . maybe I can live in the land of "pretend" too.. . .
I just find it funny that Carlos is boasting about how much money he makes, yet here he is blogging on his vacation. Not enough money to take an ACTUAL vacation, eh? Unless you're blogging from a yatch somewhere in the Mediterranean, which is pretty much impossible with a bank employee's salary...
ROME,
I for one don't see it your way. ModernPreacher asked for it. he assumed that Carlos doesn't work and thats why he is on here. And modernpreacher is the one that was showing off his education level (which I don't find impressive considering his age).
So really if you're going to say that carlos was bragging, then acknowledge that they bere both bragging.
apoww,
you're right. i am not vacationing somewhere exotic, you have to be an AA bishop to afford that. btw, how do you THINK a bank employee makes? lol
i meant to say how MUCH btw lol. excuse the typo
Ese Mascareno es muy super inteligente a tener un "contingency plan". Es mejor estara listo para situaciones asi a que tenenos con la honrable mesa directiva general.
Los ministros de Mascareno no tiene a preocupar por la politica. Les pueden en focar en las almas y el vision que tiene su pastor.
modernpreacher! you're back!
you left me hanging on that contigency plan question.
enquiring minds need to know.
i'd like pick at your genius, if you don't mind.
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