AV
- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
*Not 2006 Election related
3,402 comments:
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you said:
"do you believe
you are not going to be next
because your church is big? do you
not know that sam valverde is
rivals with your pastor? that
being said, wouldn't your pastor
be on the list to be next?
Actually, I don't put anything past anyone. I've seen enough in my short lifetime to know that anything is possible. That is why I believe in the Goals of R4J. However, the GB has no reason, legitimate or illegitimate, to fire pastor Montes. The Apostolic Church of Indio has always fulfilled their obligation to the AA.
The very fact that Sam is "Rivals," as you say, with Pastor Montes is, 1.) exaggerated, and 2.) the very reason why Sam wouldn't do that. It would be WAY TOO OBVIOUS. Men who love power keep their friends close, and their enemies closer.
Apostolicanalyst
I’ll handle this one.
tijuana guerrero
Luke 1:77
To give knowledge of salvation to His people By the remission of their sins,
Romans 11:33
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
Romans 11:33
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
1 Corinthians 1:5
that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge,
2 Corinthians 2:14
Now thanks be to God who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and through us diffuses the fragrance of His knowledge in every place.
And last but not least
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
snoopyd said...
Active Neutrality:
Are you willing to go beyond contacting the plaintiffs and help contact pastors with no computers or e-mail?
In anyway possible
How much time and energy do you have?
I have a flexible job but lots of involvement in other ministries
I hope you are the type of person the R4J are looking for to help accomplish our goals:
1. EXPOSE THE 2006 VOTING SCANDAL
2. OPEN THE EYES OF ALL WHO IGNORE WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND THEM
3. SHOW THE AA MINISTRY THAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES NEED TO BE AMENDED
4. GIVE PASTORS A VOICE
5. DEMAND THAT THE GB STEP DOWN
Can you agree with these goals? I think getting the GB to step down is a very lofty, and virtually impossible goal, but we haven't really sat down with anybody to discuss these goals. However, I do think that within the next couple of years we can empower more pastors to make sure the GB does the right thing at the next election.
I concur.
Jew or gentile:
you said:
"think about it snoopy. you bashed a pastor and
ask others to reveal themselves. why not reveal
yourself? you come with boldness and leave with
satire."
I don't recall bashing a pastor. Are you referring to the fact that I told jstrad quite honestly that I didn't think he was a pastor? I wouldn't exactly call that bashing.
I don't recall asking others to reveal themselves publicly on this blog. I would love to meet with some of the R4J so that we could do some real work that would promote our mutual goals.
I don't really understand your last comment. I haven't gone anywhere. You say I leave with satire. What exactly did I parody? Please repost it by all means.
You ask me to reveal myself. I don't see how that would do any good. I think what is more important is what I do. So far, I haven't done a darned thing but blog. At this point, I want to do something concrete that will help to accomplish our goals.
So far I have had one person take me seriously. I'm hoping something positive will pan out.
What about these ministers, assistant pastors and so on who are secretly waiting for the man of God to somehow lose his grip. In hopes they will have a shot at a free ride from the Hermanos. What happen to the days of Pastors who started churches from the ground up??? The central and eastern parts of the country are starving for churches, but no one is signing up. WHY? Because it costs to much, and there is no promise of a big house, nice car, and large salary. We place the blame on the GB and in many ways we are right, but we must consider those who help this corruption continue. It’s easy for the GB to remove any Pastor (YES even DR. Rodriguez) when some spineless so called minister is willing to take that church. I must ask the question to the bloggers as well as those pastors who maybe reading. Why should anyone be willing to follow a man of God who is not willing to lose it all for the sake of Righteousness? How can a man of help lead me into all truths if they are not willing to stand for it. I’ll finish with this quote” As the Shepard is so are the sheep.” Come on pastors stand up and be counted!
Active_Neutrality said...
5. DEMAND THAT THE GB STEP DOWN
. . . I think getting the GB to step down is a very lofty, and virtually impossible goal . . .
As two-vote said earlier - Just supply the proper documentation to the proper authority. Although not impossible, it would be very difficult for the anyone to stay on the GB while behind bars for fraud.
Jew or gentile:
Is their any evidence that would support your claim? Bishop Valverde and Bishop Montes being rivals?
-Snoopyd- educated - yes - stubborn - maybe
- why dont we just meet?
Eastcoaster said...
. . . What happen to the days of Pastors who started churches from the ground up??? The central and eastern parts of the country are starving for churches, but no one is signing up. WHY? Because it costs to much, and there is no promise of a big house, nice car, and large salary.
I guess you must not be 'JasonABEL'. Daddy made sure his new work wasn't struggling
eastcoaster
Praise God. You are an answer to my prayers.
We need to get the east coast well-informed. Would you be willing to help us disseminate information electronically and through snail mail?
Jay, Jew or Gentile:
3:30 PM today in indio. Name the place. I don't have a lot of time, but I can meet briefly.
Eastcoaster said...
What about these ministers, assistant pastors and so on who are secretly waiting for the man of God to somehow lose his grip. In hopes they will have a shot at a free ride from the Hermanos..........It’s easy for the GB to remove any Pastor (YES even DR. Rodriguez) when some spineless so called minister is willing to take that church.
I am an Ordained Minister, and I have felt the call and had it prophesied to me since my early teens. I would love to go out to the East coast and start from scritch. Problem is, I dont have a big name nore family heritage to jump up the list.
felt the call to Pastor that is. *Scratch
eastcoaster
i couldn't have said it better.
that deserves a blog standing
ovation.
snoopy
i am not from the desert, although
i wouldn't mind meeting you all. i
apologize if you took my remarks
harshly as anyone knows me, i come
out rude, even in person. i'm a
traditional middle ager. you still
don't understand about
the "split". the general board
doesn't want people, they want
power. it's not about anything but
generating from themselves and
their own families. they want to
be the next joel olsteen, john
hagee, and t.d. jakes. they
already have a plan of action for
people. they want just one church
with 1,000+ members. the faster
they get rid of the rest of the
people, the easier to start their
new project.
of course this is just a theory,
you may be right and i may be
wrong.
jay
have you seen the appeal? Montes
is in it. All he has to do is say
one thing wrong (according the
general board which would probably
be the truth) and he will easily
be taken out of the assembly.
Jew or gentile:
So where do you want to meet?
Jay,
What about you?
jew or gentile:
You said -
"have you seen the appeal? Montes
is in it. All he has to do is say
one thing wrong (according the
general board which would probably
be the truth) and he will easily
be taken out of the assembly."
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So what is your opinion on Bishop Montes and his position regarding the Lawsuit? On his behalf - can we state he knew the outcome and/or end-result, thus, not wanting nor willing to participate in the lawsuit? Choosing not to put his congregation thru this current heartache?
jay
i don't know his position. i am
merely giving opinion. as i stated
to snoopyd, it was a mere theory.
do yo know more that you can share
with us to help better our
understanding of Montes position?
the way i see it, all pastors are
putting heartache on their
congregation for allowing the
general board to coerse in this
situation. although you may not
agree, i believe by the pastors
not speaking up, they are putting
their congregation through the
heartache already. again, mere
thoughts, no facts. take it or
leave it. jay are you from the
desert?
snoopyd
i can not meet as it does not fit
my schedule nor my agenda. i live
in monterey.
jew or gentile:
"jay are you from the
desert?"
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I'm from the place of Sea Shells.... My opinion really does not matter - but i really know quite a bit.
Tijauna Guererro:
You make a good point. I do support staying with the Apostolic Assembly, through the next election. Then give the current members of the general board a taste of their own medicine.
Strip them of their pastorships, strip them of their ministerial licenses, of all rights and priviledges of AA membership.
Remove them from their churches, cut off their income, fire them, do not offer any continued benefits.
Completely cut them off and then lets see how they like it. It would provide them a great opportunity to put their Prosperity Doctrine to practice. It would provide them a great opportunity to put those La Puente Bible School Diplomas to use.
Lets see if Valverde and Pacheco can put their Prosperity Doctrine to work in the real world.
Apostolico hasta la muerte!!
jay
i agree with you, as my opinion
does not matter as well. the only
opinion that matters are those
that are involved directly. i am
only heresay and opinion. i hope
you didn't take offense to my
opinions because it sounded
as if you did. i do not wish to
offend my brother.
Henry said...
Tijauna Guererro:
. . . give the current members of the general board a taste of their own medicine.
Henry, you are too kind. Unfortunately, they will have set themselves up finacially within their own 501(c)(3)s and won't even look back.
The trick would be to hire an investigator to track all of the assets and fraudulent dealings. Then the new and improved AA/CA would need to sue the pants off of them. Then we can really see if your friend Sanchez has the "&@!!$" he's so fond of
talking about
Henry
Your comments are extreme, do not let your emotions take control over your thinking, you need to think rationally .
Really WWJD? Revival at all cost, we need God to be real more then ever. We need to rid ourselves of this instituted thinking and return back to the very foundation of this movement - revival - the heart of reconciliation.
jay said...
Henry
Your comments are extreme. . .
Really WWJD?
Jesus would cast out the money changers!
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
twovote
now i can say your have and always
will be a man of your word. you
have shown your position from the
beginning and has not swayed. you
speak boldly and do not adhere to
the popularties of others. i
commend you for your position and
the confidence you have portrayed.
TwoVote:
I do agree - that they should step down from their positions on the GB.
On another note - you don't understand my point. What i am stating is that Only the move of God can repair the AA. the lack of the spirit is the reason for this occurring. We have substituted the word of God for philosophy and the spirit of God for built up emotions. We have no fear of God rather we all claim to be his friend!
Jay,
With all due respect, you need to get your head out of your ass. What I proposed mirrors to the letter what the current general board has done to the Excommunicated 4.
Furthermore, it has court approval.
If the men of God are doing this, then we need to follow their example.
Emotion is good when channeled.
WWJD?
Jesus did go into the Temple and gave the boot to the Money Changers who prostituted God's House for the love of money. Thats what Jesus did.
Do you think Jesus was being emotional or rational?
Henry said:
With all due respect, you need to get your head out of your ass. What I proposed mirrors to the letter what the current general board has done to the Excommunicated 4.
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jay: yes, what the GB did was wrong! But there is a Remnant that has been preserved that will not go done to their level, its not about getting even, its about making this right.
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Henry said:
If the men of God are doing this, then we need to follow their example.
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jay: Men elected to represent God are doing, do you really think, that just because a Catholic Priest Committed the act of Molestation – the whole Catholic Church should do the same? - If an eye for an eye is your solution - you dont understand the concept of Grace and Mercy.
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Henry said:
Emotion is good when channeled.
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Jay: I agree.
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Henry said:
WWJD?
Jesus did go into the Temple and gave the boot to the Money Changers who prostituted God's House for the love of money. Thats what Jesus did.
Do you think Jesus was being emotional or rational?
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Jay: Jesus understood the current state of Humanity - thus he died on a cross - Neither thinking emotionally nor rationally - he did something we could never understand - calvary.
Henry
TwoVote
jew or gentile
Gentlemen - don't worry, i don't take offense to your comments.
Why don't we all meet - make it happen SnoopyDogg
Greetings to all in general, Praise the Lord:
With this I greet you in the love of our Lord to communicate to you the following:
On June 24, 2008, leaders of the interior district came and removed the locks of the historic temple of the Apostolic Assembly in San Bernardino, CA. I told them that they should have called me and I would have given them the keys; they said that they had been sent by the general leaders.
On another day I received a call to a meeting with the district board and a general commission.
A week before I asked the district official about the matter of such meeting. I was told he did not know. At such meeting I was read a letter saying that the general board had agreed to remove me as pastor and minister of the Apostolic Assembly. They offered me three months of benefits and 3 thousand dollars as compensation, if I signed a paper to the fact. I called my attorney but after not answering, I decided not to sign, therefore the benefits and check ceased immediately.
The following day the same check was sent to me saying it was an offering for me, but I did not accept it.
Now it is being said that I divided the church. I say that they divided it with their actions.
They closed down the temple and the following day at the meeting I was removed from the ministry, and that same night I was called “Ex-pastor”. I felt ridiculed, rejected and the people too. Now I say, I was not given a trial, I was not told beforehand, and have no records and here I present my letter of excommunication from the Apostolic Assembly; Church we love much
my wife, I, and my children. Thousands of brethren are praying for us, therefore, thank you,
esteemed pastors and members for your love and respect, we love you in Christ Jesus.
The following is an inventory that we have left for the Apostolic Assembly:
1. A savings account: $187,712.31 (6-3-08) at Wells Fargo Bank. At this same bank is deposited tithes, donations, missionary works, departments and love offerings. This money is a loan pro-construction, that was made with Lane Foundation, by brother Arturo Lopez, who has the original paperwork.
2. A CD of $860,493.93 with the date March 31, 2008 with the bank Federal of Broadway
of Los Angeles, California. This account was made tripartite with the local church,
IDCN District, and the General Offices. Both files have been signed and notarized, with copies to each party. Sunday School $1,711.53, temple $165,000.00 (value) and 4.8 acres of vacant land pro-construction 13th and Mt. Vernon, the commercial value this day, and the Access Value
is $274,317.00.
I attest,
Brother Baldemar Rodriguez
Quote AA info
Jay,
I was not trying to offend. (except for Lugito's picture)
an eye for an eye is your solution - you dont understand the concept of Grace and Mercy.
That would leave everyone BLIND! NO!!! We can show mercy and still leave the AA DEVILS without the assets of the AA/CA. We can certainly allow these former MEN of God to attend God's church. I for one do not wish for anything bad to happen to them. I just don't want them to be where they are or doing what they are doing.
As the U.S. Marines say 'God may have mercy on Osama bin Laden. It's our job to arrange the meeting.' By placing them in the hands of the devil, God can save their souls
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
God can and will forgive these wayward men. Once they have taken their lusts for power and placed them at HIS feet in repentance.
Jay:
Grace and Mercy is for God for those who seek them from God.
We are talking about Justice.
The AA GB have raped the AA Membership. They are un-repentant.
Therefore, Justice must be served.
tHenry,
God is the Avenger of His People. We must have revival - the only solution is revival. It is the Spirit of God that drives out Darkness.....
NUEVA INCORPORACION DE SANCHEZ, VALVERDE Y PACHECO.
Amados Pastores de la Asamblea Apostólica de la Fe en Cristo Jesús.
Paz de Cristo! Julio 23, 2008.
La presente es para informarles y brindarles pruebas de que la Autoridad que nuestra Constitución le otorga a los Pastores, una vez más ha sido ignorada, y no ha sido respetada…En ésta ocasión, no faltaba más, y ya no es de sorprenderse, por el Presidente Daniel G. Sánchez; Vicepresidente Samuel Valverde; y por el Secretario General Edward Pacheco.
Es necesario que ustedes sepan, que el Abogado Matthew L. Motes, llevó a cabo la Incorporación en la Oficina de la SecretarÃa del Estado de Texas, de una Corporación no lucrativa, bajo el Rubro de: ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS DE TEXAS, INC.
El número de Directores de la Mesa Directiva inicial de esta Corporación son tres (3), y los nombres y dirección de las personas que van a servir como los Directores en el inicio son:
Daniel Sánchez; Samuel Valverde; y Edward Pacheco; 10807 Laurel Avenue, Rancho Cucamonga, California, 94130.
La fecha de la incorporación fue: Octubre 11, 2007, alrededor de un mes antes de nuestra Convención General en Dallas, Texas. Nos preguntamos si el resto de la Mesa Directiva General fue informada, de lo que sà estamos seguros, es que no hubo ninguna Reunión Conjunta en donde los Obispos fueran informados, y lógico y por supuesto, los Pastores tampoco fueron informados de dicha acción.
Lo antes dicho, y la razón que sea por la cual llevaron a cabo esta ilegal Incorporación, de lo cual se quedaron muy calladitos en Convención, genera las siguientes violaciones a nuestra Constitución:
a – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Primero, ArtÃculo 1. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, el único Rubro aprobado; y el único Rubro que la Mesa Directiva General puede representar es: ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS.
b – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Primero, ArtÃculo 1. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, el Estado y las Leyes que han sido aprobadas son, de California.
c – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Primero, ArtÃculo 2, inciso II. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, la Mesa Directiva General debe tener a todas las iglesias existentes bajo un mismo rubro. Y el Presidente, Vicepresidente y Secretario, han puesto las iglesias de Texas, bajo otro rubro.
d – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Primero, ArtÃculo 2, inciso III. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, quedó aprobado que las iglesias que se vallan estableciendo, sean organizadas conforme al sistema delineado en nuestra Constitución. Pero ahora están sujetas conforme a otro sistema no delineado en nuestra Constitución, es decir, el sistema del Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General.
e – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Segundo, ArtÃculo 3, inciso I. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General:
1 – Sólo se puede gobernar y dirigir “esta corporación”, es decir, la del único rubro aprobado en California, ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS.
2 – En Convención General Electoral se debe elegir una Mesa Directiva General, y el Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General, se eligieron solos.
3 – La Mesa Directiva General debe estar formada por ocho oficiales, y ellos son solo tres.
4 – Por lo cual se ha violado el CapÃtulo Segundo, ArtÃculos 4, y 5, en su totalidad, en relación a Método de Elecciones.
f – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Segundo, ArtÃculo 3, inciso II. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, ninguna persona podrá ocupar más de un puesto en la Mesa Directiva General. De acuerdo al primer párrafo, página cuatro, del certificado de la corporación de Texas, ésta corporación está asociada a la de California, por lo tanto, desde el 11 de Octubre del 2007, el Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General, están ocupando dos puestos de Mesa Directiva General cada uno.
g – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Segundo, ArtÃculo 3, inciso IV, número 1). Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, solo se puede ser Pastor y miembro de la Mesa Directiva. Ahora, el Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General, son Pastores y miembros de dos Mesas Directivas.
h – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Segundo, ArtÃculo 20, inciso I. Ya que el Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General, han velado porque los acuerdos, planes y proyectos aprobados por las Convenciones Generales, reuniones de la Mesa Directiva General, Reuniones Conjuntas y Reuniones Episcopales no se cumplan.
i – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Tercero, ArtÃculo 24, inciso I. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, los acuerdos de las Convenciones Generales…deberán ser observados y obedecidos por todos los ministros y pueblo cristiano en general, y solo podrán ser rectificados, renovados y ratificados por una Convención General. La Constitución nunca ha sido rectificada, dándole toda autoridad al Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General para que hagan incorporaciones en los estados que quieran y para los fines que ellos decidan a su libre albedrÃo.
j – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Séptimo, ArtÃculo 29, inciso II. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General. Es una obligación primaria del Obispo Presidente y los obispos supervisores, cumplir con lo que establece la presente Constitución y con los acuerdos que se tomen en las Convenciones Generales y reuniones de la Mesa Directiva General. La incorporación que el Presidente hizo en Texas, no cumple lo que establece la Constitución, como ya se ha estado probando.
k – El propósito del Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General, de registrar una corporación no lucrativa en Texas, es con el fin de absolutamente poder disponer de todos los Templos con sus propiedades que se encuentran en el estado de Texas, es decir, quitar a la hora que quieran, vender a la hora que quieran, hacer con el dinero absolutamente lo que ellos quieran.
1 – Violándose el CapÃtulo Octavo, ArtÃculo 30, inciso IX. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, la Mesa Directiva General, en relación a Templos y Propiedades: No podrá disponer de ninguna de ellas sin tener el previo consentimiento del pastor y de la mayorÃa de los miembros en plena comunión, de la congregación a que pertenezca la propiedad en cuestión.
l – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Octavo, ArtÃculo 30, inciso X. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General. El consentimiento para que la Mesa Directiva General de la Asamblea Apostólica, verifique cualquiera de las operaciones antes mencionadas, se hará constar en acta firmada por el pastor y la mayorÃa de los miembros de la congregación respectiva. Es decir, el consentimiento no lo da el Certificado de la Corporación de Texas, con el cual, el Presidente, Vicepresidente, y Secretario General, ahora piensan respaldar todo lo que decidan hacer con las propiedades de Texas.
m – Se ha violado el CapÃtulo Octavo, ArtÃculo 30, inciso XIV. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General. Los miembros de la Mesa Directiva General de la corporación, “Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus”, no deberán dar su firma para garantizar o ejecutar ningún documento fuera de su oficialidad. El documento de la corporación de Texas está fuera de la oficialidad de ellos tres.
n – Se ha violado todo el CapÃtulo Vigésimo Segundo, ArtÃculo 75, incisos I, II, III, IV, y V. Ya que por acuerdo de Convención General, para poder llegar a hacer cosas que no están contempladas en nuestra Constitución, finalmente, se debe presentar una propuesta-iniciativa a los Pastores, en Convención General, para su estudio y aprobación, ya que finalmente, toda rectificación, renovación, ratificación o eliminación, se lleva a cabo por medio del voto Pastoral (¡Sà cómo no!).
Amados Pastores, estamos hablando de CUARENTA Y TRES VIOLACIONES a nuestra Constitución, que han cometido, el Obispo Presidente Sánchez, el Vicepresidente Valverde, y el Secretario General Pacheco, por el hecho de haber registrado esa Corporación en Texas, con la intención de hacer lo que ellos quieran con las propiedades, que es lo mismo que decir, hacer lo que ellos quieran con los Pastores.
Esta Corporación no tiene miembros, o sea, los Obispos, Pastores, y miembros no cuentan. Una vez más, se trata de absoluto poder concentrado en dos, el Presidente, y el Vicepresidente.
Y la Mesa Directiva de California, es la única que designará los futuros oficiales de la Corporación de Texas, y ¿A quienes creen ustedes que designarán?, es lógico que a ellos mismos, especialmente, si los Pastores no hacen nada.
¿Se podrá creer lo que acaba de explicar el Presidente Sánchez en Long Beach, Ca., sobre los Plaintiffs y las Elecciones del 2006, en donde todas las acciones fueron justificadas y explicadas de tal manera de quedar ante todos los presentes como vÃctimas inocentes? ¿Será ésta la Estrategia de Jesús?
Me pregunto si no rayará esto en pecado de muerte, que después de manipular a su antojo las Elecciones del 2006, “Y DE ESCOGER A LA MESA DIRECTIVA QUE ESTA CON EL”, por si fuera poco, después de mentirle a los Pastores, de ignorar absolutamente el Voto de los Pastores, de no tener temor de Dios ni integridad, de escoger familiares e incondicionales.
De dañar carreras ministeriales, de ignorar los Planes que Dios tenÃa con los que El genuinamente escogió a través del Voto de sus Pastores, y de que gracias a que neciamente se han obstinado en sostener tanta mentira sobre las Elecciones, muchos corazones de sus familias se han enfermado.
Ahora, añadiendo más pecado delante de Dios se han atrevido a quitqr Templos que no les ha costado ni un peni, se han atrevido a desconocer Pastorados y Ministerios, y de destituir de la membresÃa de la Iglesia a quienes han procedido con rectitud no queriendo solapar tanta corrupción que cometieron y que se está demostrando ¡QUE SIGUEN COMETIENDO! (me refiero a esta Constitucionalmente ilegal Incorporación). Por lo cual, haciendo una suma de todo, han estado haciendo sistemáticamente un daño destructivo e irreparable a nuestra Asamblea ¡QUE LA MAYORIA NO QUIEREN DETENER!
Por lo cual también, yo creo que hay razones suficientes para que toda la Mesa Directiva General fuera pasada por un Juicio para ser destituidos de acuerdo al ArtÃculo 39 de nuestra Constitución, por razón de que estos funcionarios transgresores se resisten a hacer rectificaciones, y está visto que se seguirán resistiendo, pero, ¿qué creen? .Pues no se puede porque ellos son los únicos que pueden formar la Comisión de Honor y Justicia, por cómo está nuestra super imperfecta Constitución.
PASTORES, POR EL AMOR DE DIOS, ¡REACCIONEN!, POR LA SANGRE DERRAMADA EN EL CALVARIO TAMBIEN POR ESTA ASAMBLEA QUE ESTA SIENDO CORROMPIDA Y DESTRUIDA POR 2, MAS 6, QUE TIENEN TODO EL HUMANO PODER YA QUE SE HAN SALIDO DE TODA AUTORIDAD ESPIRITUAL.
Hello, I am new to posting my comments, however I have keep myself in the loop of what you are trying to accomplish.
I will share with you the following to validate some of my opinions.
1. I am an Ordained Minster of the Gospel for a few years.
2. I have a AA degree from CLC (Stockton, CA)
3. I am 5 generations deep within the AA
4. I do apologize in advance for any miss quotes and my lack of scripture support for my views. It not that I do not have the time to input them, but I don't have the time to input them. Also, no matter your view, it appears that everyone uses scripture to their likings.
Now that I see that cooler heads are prevailing and the hostility levels dropping, that is good.
I have read your Actions items and forgive me if I miss-quote any...but I do think that there is only one that I see that will not happen. And that is the one in which you are requesting that the GB step down. That will not happen, I'm afraid.
Also, if I may help provide a tip for you efforts, I do not believe the constant usage of dumb*** or a** or the use of "Devil's" in describing our GB is going to get them to listen to you, or take your efforts seriously.
I realize that I may stand alone in that viewpoint, but if I were to put myself in their shoes for a minute and ask myself this "do I take a group of Christian's serious who are comparing me and my co-workers to devils seriously?"
Unfortunately the answer is no.
So if your intentions are to have a valid and real impact, I suggest to you that change the way you address them (because they still are men of God). And then maybe you will have their attention.
To Ju.4all,
Now, there you go, write it, say it
LOUD & clear, make it plain my son.
I'd like to suggest to you and all of the people for justice that are still in the AA, mainly ministers, pastors, well-respected pioneering families- get hold of all pastors in your regions, and question and probe them to see where they stand, and see if they are ready to unite to fight this great EVIL of AA DGB!
Back in the days, 1980 - 2002, they printed out pastoral & ministerial directories w/ address & phone #'s.
Try to get a hold of them, I'm sure more than 70% of them of still here
or else just start passing it up & down the pipeline until you all get in touch w/all the current pastoral body of the AA. I'm sure, if you do it with a proper, class, respectful approach y'all will have their nods
Don't lose your cool, but be strong bold and pound this relentlessly to
show em boys that pastors & members
have HAD ENOUGH!!! YOU MUST RESIGN!
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO SEE THAT B4 THE APPELLATE HEARING IS SET, THEY HAVE HEARD IT LOUD ENOUGH THEY RUN!
English Only
The Plaintiffs have ALWAYS addressed the GB with utmost respect and it hasn't ever gotten them anywhere.
Of course that doesn't excuse anyone from talking in that manner of or to anyone else. Although the example (as told by various persons) has been set by our very own President. Those very words you mention have been uttered by Himself, the Pres. Like I said that still does not excuse anyone because we will all one day have to answer to Him individually. Do you know that when asked by one of the Plaintiffs what it would take for them to be able to keep their churches and work a solution they were told that "they would literally have to crawl before the board and beg for forgiveness"? This is the honest truth. These are the men who have our Assembly in their clutches.
ju.4all
Sabemos bien que no todos los pastores o ministros tienen acceso
a la informacion que tenemos por falta de computadoras. Agradecemos que ha tomado el tiempo para escudrinar cuales puntos de la constitucion han sido violados. Una sugerencia. Porque no toma las direcciones de los pastores que estan en el directorio y envie cartas con esta informacion y asi mas pastores podran estar informados. Una sugerencia nada mas.
English Only Please said...
. . . "Devil's" in describing our GB . . .
Sir,
"A.A. D.E.V.I.L.S" merely represents the first initials of each of the names of the General Board members.
Although we can't read anything into it, I do find it a strange 'coincidence' that the label given to them by man, reflect their actions.
I don't think anyone here believes the DGB will consider anything written here and have a change of hear as a result.
I do believe, that together we can brainstorm and develop a plan to relieve these men of their positions so they can humble themselves and reconnect with God.
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
see, its suggestive comments like this:
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"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
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that you will lose credibility.
You know, i am on your side, but I am trying to be objective. Having that as your sign off, makes casuals like myself assume that there is hostility.
Now, your actions:
1st, sorry, you will not get them to step down. I don't want to start a long debate over this, but we can all agree that this will not happen.
2nd, I do believe that next "real" significant move on this matter will be at the next election (2010). If the mood is true with mnay pastors getting ready to uprise, there will be change at the next elections.
3rd, It is quite obvious as to many of your opinions of the current GB, but have any of you given thought to who (if you had a vote) you would vote for?
You know, one tool that you can use in your favor is to start promoting those pastors/bishops that you feel would "change" things.
I certainly have my opinion, though I am too shy to share at this time. But I do have a few good men in mind that I would have no issue with serving under.
2vote,
your thoughts?
english only please
I posted this last night, hopefully this helps you understand that some people aren't hostile, they're just plain hurt.
This is what I posted:
Hello blogistas, my name is Sandy.
I wanted to share this with everyone. I copied it from the Revolutionaries4Justice myspace. It touched my heart and I hope it touches your heart as well.
IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU…I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN
If it wasn't for you locking up my church
I wouldn't be free the way I am today
If it wasn't for you trying to shut my Pastor's mouth
I wouldn't be praising God with a loud voice I have today
If it wasn't for you taking me out of where I shouldn't be
I wouldn't be where I am today, in the very presence of God
If it wasn't for you turning your back on me
I wouldn't be standing in front of the gates of heaven today
If it wasn't for you telling me I'm a demon
I wouldn't know how to get on my knees and pray for someone like you
If it wasn't for you not being there when you said you would
I wouldn't know the true sincerity of God when he promised never to leave
If it wasn't for you kicking me out
I wouldn't know what it was like to witness to the world in a time I never thought I could
If it wasn't for family like you to dismiss my emotions
I wouldn't know how to love my neighbor today
If it wasn't for people like you
I wouldn't have known that blood isn't always thicker than water
If it wasn't for you to talk behind my back
I wouldn't know how famous you've made me
If it wasn't for you to completely ignore it all
I wouldn't know how much God hurts when we don't call
If it wasn't for you praying the demons out of me
I wouldn't know that prayer is not just for a sinner
If it wasn't for you leaving my pastor without health insurance
I wouldn't know what it would feel like to want to give a couple everything I had
If it wasn't for you taking money from people
I wouldn't know what it would feel like to work so hard for something just to end up a failure
If it wasn't for you to create those failures
I wouldn't know what it would feel like to be victorious in those failures
If it wasn't for you to give me an example of true corrupt leadership
I wouldn't have been able to see the honest leadership in my own Pastor and others
So while you still sing my Pastor's songs, worship in places my Pastor and others preached,
I hope you understand that I am nothing but grateful to you for showing me what it was all about…
Because…if it wasn't for you being YOU
I wouldn't have known what it truly would have been like to be ME!!
Side note: Though some won't understand this poem, others will relate entirely.
Some may bash this poem, but that's just because they haven't and probably won't ever go through this! I pray no one ever does! God be with you all!
Poem by: Jennifer Croce
I don't know this lady, Jennifer, personally but if she reads this blog I just want to tell you my prayers are with you. It is good to see a positive derive from a negative.
Peace Be Still
English Only Please said...
see, its suggestive comments like this:
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"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
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that you will lose credibility.
Credibility, with the DGB? As mentioned before, they could be standing on a Bible looking at Jesus and they wouldn't tell the truth. My credibility is not an issue. I'm not running for anything. I couldn't get elected as a Dog Catcher.
I believe I've expressed myself fairly well.
In fact, jew or gentile? said...
twovote
now i can say your have and always will be a man of your word. you have shown your position from the beginning and has not swayed. you speak boldly and do not adhere to the popularties of others. i commend you for your position and the confidence you have portrayed.
I do admit, I may have gone a slight bit too far on occasion, but I don't delete my comments.
that being said, on #1, I agree they will not willingly step down. If incarcerated, they will have no choice.
#2 You overlooked the appeal. Bear in mind, the Judge did not validate, the CID. He invalidated the GB statement claiming the Plaintiffs had not exhausted their in house options before proceeding with the court case. The judge evaluated the piece of paper we know as our constitution and determined if the GB decided they would like to allow only people whose combined first initials will spell out AA DEVILS, there was nothing there to stop them.
#3 Yes. There are many good God fearing Pastors willing and available to restore unity within our body. Some even have REAL Masters or PhDs in Divinity, business, education and other areas.
Ju.4all:
Yo tambien sugiero lo que sugero tijuana guerrero. La mayoria de pastores no tienen correo electronico ni computadoras.
Si nos esforzamos con metodos mas antiguos, tendremos mas exito.
Gracias por esta informacion, y Que Dios lo Bendiga.
SnoopyD - whats up brother -
CBG
My my what language; however, continue to use it so that you can discredit this blog even more.
Rambo
Besides blogging, When do you plan on organizing a real protest? or are you full of hot air? The bloggers are nothing more than complainer with no back bone. Besides blogging anonymously what do you psuedo revolutionaries plan on doing? Let me guess NOTHING.
This blog has done nothing to influence change as a matter of fact the only change has been for the worst. Again you guys have only made the situation worse for the plantiffs or should I say ex communicated pastors.
Here some advice, follow the plantiffs as they enter uncharted territory. let me guess, then you would have nothing else to talk about. Rambo are you APWC's assistant pastor? The reason why I ask is because you have the same cowardly characteristics. Revolutionarie? What a joke just APWC pretending that he care when he probably just bitter because his Bishop rebuked him.
APWC here some advice when the GB comes after you "CORRE PASTOR CORRE" LOL
Onguard
one question...
what happened to weazer and
debbie? two vote
eddie's son in law and daughter?
why did he leave two vote eddie's
church and start his own? isn't
weazer a real estate agent?
okay maybe that was more than one
question.
Hello to all my online buddies. Be good and have super fantastic days. Bye bye.
Thanks to Daniel Sanchez we have lost our best churches in Houston, Midland, Denver, Austin, San Bernardino,Hilton Head, San Antonio, more coming!!!!
jew or gentile? said...
one question...
what happened to weazer and debbie?
The Huizars are probably in hiding. Between the 'Straw' buying he did with two-vote eddie and getting the brothers to refi & invest, they made lots of $$, but with every winner, there is a loser. The brothers that lost their homes would probably like to know where he is too.
TO ALL BLOGGERS
Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of the AA Constitution in ENGLISH???(website?)
II ApostolicAssembly.org Under about us
Onguard
Okay, so you haven’t had enough?
Let me prove to you just what a total idiot you are and of course this also confirms you are more than likely a little stool pigeon for the GB. As someone said earlier that the GB has their people poring over this blog trying to guess Who’s Who. At least most of us come on here to make comments, we don’t sit around all day analyzing and attempt in your feeble little way to try to figure out bloggers identities. You are now officially the “Blog Analyst”. Now that is pitiful, my dear!
Oh, and thank you very much for putting me on such a high pedestal as to think I am a pastor’s assistant! That was a good one, dear. My family and I had such a good laugh with that one. You know, this blog is rather entertaining. In your case, its stupidly entertaining, but entertaining nevertheless. Some people post smart things but you of course never have.
As for your comment about the electrical engineer I only wish I did know him maybe he would give me a break on my electric bill. Thanks buddy, “you light up my life”. Toodaloo
Jose,
Gracias!!!!!!!!!!
Jose, Gracias!!
Jay,
Sorry I didn't respond to you last night. I am going to bed much earlier now than I have in the last two to three weeks.
I'm resting up for phase two of R4J's plan of action.
I was raised in the land of sea shells as well, on the other side of the tracks.
I'm logging off now because I have some business to attend to, but next week when we are both online, could you prepare to meet me spontaneously?
God Bless You
Rambo:
Way to go Dude!
You know . . . Onguard appears to have the same arrogant attitude that the GB protrays . . . do you think he's related? Hmmmm.
Related?! I bet its Sanchez himself.
snoopyd
r4j is planning a phase II? why
hasn't r4j said anything if that's
true?
SnoopyD
thats a 10-4, just let me know when........ did godisjust receive an invite?
check out this blog!
apostolicrestoration.blogspot.com
heard there up to something?
Rambo:
Thank you for proving me to be an idiot and I am glad that I am able to provide, as you say it "Stupid Entertainment"
Funny how you talk about stupid entertainment because I thought that when it came to the video of skotty. Did those revolutionaries really think that they were in a public meeting. Now that is stupid entertainment. I guess I am not the only idiot on this blog. Are you a revolutionary? So what is your next tactical move? I find this to be stupid entertainment. You want to know what else stupid entertain are the bloggers who think the GB cares about anonymous bloggers. Why do I say that, because not only did the Plantiffs lose the lawsuit they have been ex-communicated. This blog means nothing.
While you take it as a compliment of me thinking you are APWC, do not make that mistake. First of all that was written with sarcasm and second of all I really do not have a whole lot of respect for APWC. In my opinion he is a psuedo pastor.
One question when someone opposes the bloggers why do they accuse them of being a GB or having a close association with them? Why can't I be just member of the organization who wants the Plantiffs and their followers to move so that the church could move on.
Onguard
Hi to all my online buddies. I'm back. Did any of you miss me? I have to be brief cuz I need to take my Mojito for his walk.
Hi Onguard! :>) See you sunday. Ciao boys and girls. Bye bye.
Has anyone visited the AAFCJ website? They have posted a flyer with the agenda for the Gen. Conference and the topics are very interestingly focused on the current state of the AAFCJ... ummm!
How interesting!
These are the topics:
General Theme: “Jehova, El Senor es Mi Fortaleza”
All day Sunday Session: "A time of Repentance, Renewal and Rejoicing" with Communion Service to follow.
Last day (Wed) Ministers & Wives Session: "In the Last Times, Perilous Times Shall Come"
("State of the Apostolic Assembly" Address)
Intersting that they are now focused on the current affairs of the AAFCJ.
It sounds and seems to me that they are very "nervous" to say the least!
I don't think they had a "PLAN B" in mind on how/what to do once they executed their plans.
The whole convention is a "contingency meeting", imagine that!
I doubt it they break even this time around! They are running around very skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd.
Standing on the sidelines, watching as drama unfolds...
Ay, ay , ay Onguard
What a total idiot. OF COURSE A CHURCH IS A PUBLIC PLACE! When you go to church, do you not see people come and go freely? No one is ever at the door telling you that you’re not welcome are they? CHURCH IS A PUBLIC PLACE, GET IT? Okay so you don’t believe me, go ask your pastor, and make a fool of yourself. I mean just how old are you because I’m beginning to really worry about you. Does your mom know your on the computer?
So okay, if you say this blog means nothing to you, THEN GET OFF IT! Get out of here and go to your PRIVATE church.
Lastly, in answer to your question: THE PLAINTIFFS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS WHO CONTINUE TO RAPIDLY GROW IN NUMBERS DAILY ARE NOT GOING AWAY! So sit back and replay SKOTTY’S VIDEO.
I really do need to quit calling you an idiot SO QUIT MAKING ME!
Just a suggestion to ALL the Plaintiffs, displeased former Bishops & Pastoral Body:
I wonder if it would be possible to plan a separate meeting simultaneously in Dallas for ALL who are displeased with the AAFCJ's behaviors and actions?
On this site we could "brainstorm" some type of plan and have a meeting place and open it to "whosoever will" and members-at-large.
This needs to be done on a large scale so that it will start gaining momentum, support, and publicity so that the local media will be drawn to this news event there locally in Dallas.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to meet? Course of Action, Pros/Cons, it's effectiveness, so on and so forth!
Standing on the sidelines, watching and waiting as drama unfolds...
V. Although the General Board of Directors of the Apostolic Assembly keeps records of church buildings and properties and has authority to buy, sell, lease, mortgage, and lend properties belonging to this corporation, it may not dispose of them without previous consent of the Pastor and a majority of the members in good standing of the congregation whose property is in question.
AA constitution
ANY COMMENTS?
El Plan de Dallas 2008! Viva La Causa! Viva Baldemar! Viva Los Bloggistas! Viva El Skotty! Viva la Iglesia!
Cristo Vive!
Continued from previous post:
This could also serve as an opportunity to start generating funds so that the Plaintiffs can generate funds in order to move forward with the "appeal process".
Anyone willing to step up as a Facilitator?
Watching from the sidelines as drama unfolds...
Some Names to start pondering about perhaps a "new church order":
1. Apostolic Faith Assembly
2. Acts of The Apostles Fellowship
3. United Apostolic Church Int'l
4. Int'l Fellowship of Apostolic Faith
5. New Church of "The Apostolic Order"
6. "BOCA" (Body of Christ Assembly)
Crazy and radical, but so what!
Standing from the sidelines, watching and waiting as drama unfolds...
Que viva la convencion alternativa en Dallas!!
No mas comienzen a promover entre los miembros, ministros y pastores que NO estan con la AA DGB & com., ya veran que entonces comenzaran a rascarse el coco-loco y diran, aye tranquilo bobi, tranquilo chuchitas
Bueno, si de velda es una gran idea
o si no miren amigos- ya no envien sus diezmos, quotas y ofrendas pa Rancho Cucuchangos! No tenga miedo, como dice el cantico del Hno. Ruben
Mascareño. HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS!
aye cuando el perro es chiquito, le dice perrito, pero cuando es grande
le dice perron. Cuando el cabro es chico, le dice cabrito, mas caundo es grande le dicen _____ay lo digo?
Rambo, Rambo, Rambo
The church is not public property. It is private property open to the public; however, they have the right to remove anyone from their premises. If you do not believe, review Skotties tape and notice how the members were removed from the building. the building and all of its assetts belong to the assembly not the local church.
So you say that the Revolutionaries are growing in numbers, what have you guys done to overthrow the current GB. I am such an idiot because I know the answer. Nothing. The Plantiffs gave their best shot, but they are excommunicated and there is nothing the revolutionaries can do. Have you figured that one out? I am glad that an idiot like myself can teach you something.
Everytime I think about you and your revolutionaries I laugh because if your pastors try any silly stuff, they will be in the unemployment line and the welfare offices. As far as all your pimple face, high school revolutionaries, you groups have not made a difference. Why not organize a protest at National conference, I would like to see the revolutionaries arrested and in jail. You jovenes do not have the guts or the courage to do anything. Keep posting anonymously and see if the plantiffs can be restored to membership and if this works maybe they will be ministers again.
Maybe I should stop blogging but I enjoy mocking wanna be revolutionaries.
Onguard
Oyes puerco!
Estoy muy en desacuerdo contigo!
Como te atrevez a traer tus chicharrones diciendo "Convencion Alternativa"?
No es alternativa mi puerquito, sino que es "exclusiva y de primera clase!" Aqui no andes con chicharrones "Hechos en Chechoslovakia - eh?"
Orale... al Senor! Any-guey! Que viva la revolucion! Viva el Chorizo "gordo y grazoso!" Ay!
Wachando de los lados, mientras el drama sale de la cama...
ongaurd (sam jr.)
why do you feel the need to express yourself in such a manner? you have poor judgement, are poorly educated, and lack brain cells. your ignorance is rather entertaining and your scrutiny is lackadaisical (look that up in the dictionary because it is clear you will not know the meaning). i believe it is clear that r4j has succeeded in many ways. why are there no more lynchings? the general board has been stopped in their tracks so that they will save whatever power they believe they have left to be vital. i would go on but you wouldn't understand. you wouldn't understand because clearly the only thing between your ears is a big head. the only mockery you are making is of your father.
If you are serious about trying to create another meeting place during Convention 2008; you can also book a meeting room or even a exhibit hall at the Gaylord. If you have enough supports you can start a fund to where you can raise enough money for at least one night. As what I can see there is plenty of room to run two conventions at the Gaylord-Texan.
http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylord-texan/meetings/grapevine-dallas-meeting-space/grapevine-dallas-exhibit-space/
Excuse me Onguard & Rambo!
You are both incorrect!
The church building is "private property" in and by itself! The moment that it is utilized for church services, then it automatically becomes "a public place of worship".
It also becomes a public meeting place when it is used for public meetings, voting polls, weddings, funerals, etc.
To Onguard,
You need to educate yourself before you go on record! You used the word "ex-communicate". FYI, this is a catholic term used within catholic circles identifying someone who is an infidel, no longer priviledged to partake of holy communion.
The four plaintiffs were not ex-communicated, they were "illegally" removed and ceased from their Pastoral duties, ignoring the "High Calling of God" upon their lives!
Though it may seem to you that the "battle is over", remember that he who laughs last, laughs the loudest!
Any-guey! Support your local super-marquet and buy CHORIZO! Vivan los gordos! Viva el CHORIZO! Viva el 16 de Septiembre!
Aqui nomas wachando de los lados, mientras unos "sacan su drama de su cama".
If you are serious about trying to create another meeting place during Convention 2008; you can also book a meeting room or even an exhibit hall at the Gaylord. If you have enough supports you can start a raising enough funds to where you can reserve at least one night for a rally to show support for those who have out spoken and invite them as speakers. As what I can see there is plenty of room to run two conventions at the Gaylord-Texan.
http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylord-texan/meetings/grapevine-dallas-meeting-space/grapevine-dallas-exhibit-space/
On-Guard,
Ya banate no? ...y ponte safeguard en los so _ _ cos y cortate los chomorros - si?
Any-guey... whasamara con u?
R4j is not holding another convention in texas! They are planing a convocation in Cali or Arizona.They are calling on all pastors and ministers and everyone else to boycott gaylord!
more news to come!
aa
how can you verify this information? did skotty give out information of r4j?
elteclas
Thanks and gracias. My comment to the idiot was: OF COURSE A CHURCH IS A PUBLIC PLACE! When you go to church, do you not see people come and go freely?
I suppose you're right about the privately owned, I can't go into that since I'm not an expert in such matters.
ONGUARD! You continue on blogging your idiotic stuff!!! We need the laughs.
vamonos organizando chavos y chavas!
tenemos una montana por delante pero como dijo Josue: Dame esta montana!
creo que si juntamos los tizones podemos "quemar" al que canta: "Quemame!"
vamos hechando lena al fuego, vamos! ya me imagino como estara el chavo del GB8!
Ese "sanchito" es del valle imperial, al otro lado del rio esta mexicali, bc. Alli se crio en el centro junto con su jefito, jefita y sus otros carnalitos. El Yony es el nuevo "gallo del sur".
Ese camarada de veras que tiene ambicion. Por casi 20 anos trato de diferentes maneras de subir porque queria ser el mero-mero del Sur. Puso pastorcillos dentro de su congregacion en diferentes iglesias, pero ni asi pudo el "gallo"
Los dos son iguales de politicos chuecos y hasta eso que son rivales pero Sanchito lo ayudo a llegar a ser "gallo" del sur. Si no, no llega ni a pollo!
Estos si que estan atrazados que no se pueden ver! Como ven? y tengo mucho mas que decir...
Tratando de aprender ingles pero tengo barreras! ayudenme por favor!
Rambo
"If you are serious about trying to create another meeting place during Convention 2008; you can also book a meeting room or even an exhibit hall at the Gaylord. If you have enough supports you can start a raising enough funds to where you can reserve at least one night for a rally to show support for those who have out spoken and invite them as speakers. As what I can see there is plenty of room to run two conventions at the Gaylord-Texan."
Here we go Rambo, now is your chance to demonstrate your revolutionary skills. LOL. Do you really think you are a Rambo? I personally think you are a coward like APWC. Hey I am an idiot and you are a coward.
Elteclas
Quote
"You need to educate yourself before you go on record! You used the word "ex-communicate". FYI, this is a catholic term used within catholic circles identifying someone who is an infidel, no longer priviledged to partake of holy communion." End Quote
Good point I picked up the term from other bloggers. I will just say their ministerial licenses were ceased along with their churches (For the Exception of Solomon). they lost their lawsuit. Yes they are entitled to partake in Holy Communion, but they will have to do it in another organization. I have an idea maybe you can join them.
Quote
"The four plaintiffs were not ex-communicated, they were "illegally" removed and ceased from their Pastoral duties, ignoring the "High Calling of God" upon their lives!" End Quote
Thank you for your perspective. Beside you, has any high court or arbritration determine their termination illegal? If not then being removed from their pastoral duties was legal. As far as the "High calling of God" I am sure that it will be demonstrated in their uncharted territory. Remember if what they did was of God, they will prosper anywhere they go. So Corre Plantiffs and Revolutionaries Corre
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"Though it may seem to you that the "battle is over", remember that he who laughs last, laughs the loudest!" End Quote
I do not think anyone wants to laugh at anyone; however, if people are unhappy find another church organization. If the masses of the assembly are happy, the best way to hurt the assembly is to lose thousands of people. My gut feeling tells me that there are only handful of people that are disgruntled and all they want to do is to turn as many people against the GB as possible. However, everytime you lose a battle the more you all become discredited.
BOYCOTT GAYLORD!
calmado porkie! que no se te suba el shocolate, como dicen en juarez!
Para inglesconbarreras y elteclas:
Bueno en mi pais de Colombia, se dice
bueno si no hay leña hay q ponerle el Chile chico pa q cubra lo q falte no?
Y ademas hay que en serio ponerles a
chile a los de la AA DGB pa q ya no canten esa mentada cancion "Quemame!"
Y pa q de veldad se quemen con pepper
To Onguard,
Boy, get a grip, you are so OFFguard that it makes all of us wonder if you are a "funny one" or a "fruit-cake"@!
The following people are officially LAME.
"elteclas" and "Inglesconbareras" is the same person!
"what the" and "no manches" is the same person!
You sirs are LAME,and have no part with our movement.
We are fighting against "IMPOSTURES" and such you are. Its one thing to have a "code name" its another to change it according to whom you speak with!
Get off this blog,you lost all credibility!
GOOD BUY!
InglesConBarreras
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FYI,we find the term "EX-COMMUNICATED" perfectly fine!
you sir lost all credibility.
I said good day!
jew or gen,i dont know the dates but i do know their planing a "HUGE" meeting and they've mentioned Arizona and California.
And they are boycotting/not going to convention and asking people not to go.cant say much more.
ps.You're Lame, your are right!
i clicked on elteclas and it goes to the same profile as ingles con barreras. and also no manches and what the! lol had me rolling!
Believe me, the GB is laughing at every one of your empty threats and silly posts. I've heard them myself from down the hall. It's actually pretty entertaining for them.
Face it, the GB's presence helps validate your faith and helps give you a false sense of "godliness". Which is why you dare not follow through with your empty threats.
You're all pathetic. Go volunteer somewhere and become useful Christians for once.
By the way i'm a gay-apostolic who works in RANCHO i know what i'm talking about.
Buenos dias mi pueblo! aqui les mando saludos desde mi canton.
Espero todos esten bien y que se hayan banado esta manana!
Yo aqui hechandole ganas - pues! cuidense mi gente!
Hi Chava! How are you handsome? Long time no chat. Call me on my
new i-phone. We should do lunch and shopping next week. Bye bye.
An excerpt from a letter written 12/22/07 by Abel Torres to Pres. Sanchez:
"One of the options available to the General Board to bring an end to this situation is retaliation. All of those men of God who are complaining could be disposed of and destroyed and their families along with them. Another option would be to resort to the use of duress and intimidation. As a result, some may end up distancing themselves from the lawsuit, but more than likely the lawsuit will continue its course and we may see no end to the damage that will befall all of us. Most of the alternatives will cause great hurt and damage, but the best option is to find a way to come together and work towards a solution that is plausible for all: One that God would approve and would subsequently prove to be of great benefit for the Church. "
Onguard,
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (cough, cough) LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!
Dumb ..ss!
Hey Chava
I wonder if APWC is a gay pastor and his two disciples are Rambo and CBG.
All bloggers,
Have you noticed that whenever onguard blogs, he always talks about APWC! Why is that? Because he is one of the GB peeps who is traying to get him to respond so they can figure out who he is! Talk about insecure dumb ..ss..s! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.
Onguard, I LOVE YOU MAN! NOT!!!! What a dumb ..ss!!!
aa
how is that true if Skotty is the head of r4j? there must be another group forming something else!
Chava
That they laugh at God's children is not surprising at all. They laughed at 600+ pastors at the 2006 Elections!
And while you're talking bad about them, there's also the reports about how they also say cuss words, nothing surprises us anymore. They seem to be quite capable of being the lowliest board ever! Thanks on the report on how much more evil they are.
Hey chava,
Do you know Sam, he is gay also and hangs around with Timmo and his peeps at FTC. Also who is the president of the flor azules? I heard he(she?) is also related to the GB board. Can you tell when you're next convention is?
Also if you work at the AA offices like you claim, are you comfortable working with all those spiritual macho men in Rancho? Are they good to you? Just curious!
Robert D. Feighner atty at law ,new appeals atty for the plaintiffs pray for him ask the Lord to give him the key to defeat this GB.
chava (julio l.)
the general board has time to sit and read the blog? now that is entertaining in itself. nothing new. while they have people like you, lugo, and others that have their noses right up there. why should they have to do any work? you're their guinea pig anyway.
This is getting out of hand. Both sides need to cut all the personal attacks and meaningless conversation. A remark toward sexual orientation and even individual churches is so ridiculous. This is not about plaintiffs and GB members this is about the Kingdom of Satan and the Kingdom of God. FACTS! RESOLUTIONS, IDEAS are what we are looking. I know enough dirt about AA people to last me a lifetime. Spare ME! The foul language is WRONG, and OUT OF LINE.
Here is something to consider. I ran into a friend who is a former member of the AA. This person is backslidden and has been for sometime. I would have never thought the first thing they would say to me would have to do with this Election Mess. After talking to them they seemed to have more insight then I did. What was more shocking then there knowledge of this issue was that they had spent time reading this blog with other backslidden people. WOW! Here we are acting like crazy nuts and calling ourselves the saints of GOD. Remember we are open books seen and read of men. What does your spiritual blog look like? You better be sure people are reading it.
Please let’s get back to our purpose, reaching the LOST.
Just a thought! Getting kicked out of the Assembly may have been the best thing that happened to many of these men. Uncharted territory I call that isolation. God chooses isolation to bring revelation.
Paz de Cristo Blogistas para Cristo!
Espero que esten bien!
Praise the Lord Christ Bloggers!
I hope you are well.
It's been a long time since I have logged in to this blog, but I see the young people have been busy, to say the least.
Now one thing in particular that I have read on this blog has left me puzzled and bit disturbed. It is apparent that some of leaders, my friends, have formed a new corporation. I don't understand this at all! Our original Articles of incorparation allow us to ammend them, as well as the constitution. So if the constitution and our original articles of incorporation can be ammended, why make new ones?
Young people, these are questions you must ask your pastors and bishops. You are the church of tommorrow.
We have built you a church, you must maintain it. This is your inheritance, do not sell it for a plate of food like Esau did.
But I must remind you of something. You must keep your integrity. The revolutianries of my day have taught you that. These things are fought with peace, Christian love, and prayer. I'm not saying to not do anything either. I'm telling you to ACT. But ACT with love.
As our beloved Dorcas president said on the video, "Iremos con Paz."
We will go with peace.
Also, My friend Daniel Sanchez, I feel uttermost pity for you, old friend. Instead of heeding my advice like you used to, you are focused on finding out my identity. You will soon know.
Dios les Bendiga
eastcoaster
your words ring true. reading this blog from the beginning you can see that the mission of "bashers" is to stir up hatred and malice remarks. we are only human and at times let the keyboard control our emotion. what i find interesting is that the ones that try to stir up anger are those that claim to be with the AA. why is that? why is it they are so mad when they have what they want? if you read the blog from the beginning, you would notice that it is those with the AA, that begin all the arguments. I am not justifying my actions or others, I am just pointing out a fact. forgive me if i used my knife instead of my sword to discuss with "bashers".
Don't try and blame it on the keyboard. "Out of the abundance of the heart a man speaks". Luke 6:45
sola
even you "bash" with scripture? you must not have read my last comment asking for forgiveness. however, since you seem to be a scripture only blogger..let me leave you with a bit of scripture as well.
Deuteronomy 1:17 "Do not show partiality in judging; hear both small and great alike. Do not be afraid of any man, for judgment belongs to God. Bring me any case too hard for you, and I will hear it."
Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Jew or Gentile
There is no such thing as scripture bashing. It's called admonishing. Don't try and bring secular terms into the the church. Romans 15:14. Please get your priorities in order.
Scripture Only (sola scriptura).
What else is there??
jew or gen,
your almost there!
go back and read skotty's post!
MORE NEWS TO COME!
To all those who responded to my post. There you go again acting pathetic. No, I do not work for the offices, but I do frequent there very often to run administrative errands.
The GB including their children do actually laugh at you and the pastors who question the elections. Saying these pastors just want position but can't even read email, that they can barely spell English, and some don't even wear deodorant and they want to be elected.
I've heard all the jokes. Some are actually funny, but very disrespectful. You're all a joke to them. And guess what? You're confirming exactly what they feel about you.
Just keep threatening to do something, that'll really create change. Good thinking guys. All threat and no promise.
And the only reason i talk about APWC is because i know what hes all about! NOTHING!
Eastcoaster....
I herby stand and applaud your comments.
As I too have had a few people who have backslid and seem to be well informed on this matter.
"Here is something to consider. I ran into a friend who is a former member of the AA. This person is backslidden and has been for sometime. I would have never thought the first thing they would say to me would have to do with this Election Mess. After talking to them they seemed to have more insight then I did. What was more shocking then there knowledge of this issue was that they had spent time reading this blog with other backslidden people. WOW! Here we are acting like crazy nuts and calling ourselves the saints of GOD. Remember we are open books seen and read of men. What does your spiritual blog look like? You better be sure people are reading it."
Is it me or is this guy chava a bit odd? who said anything about apwc?
sola
you sound almost as a fanatic. so what you're saying is that scripture is the only was we can speak? we are secular just by being born and committing even te smallest sin everyday. secular terms are everday words and thoughts we use in the church. so my "secular term" is definitely the first. for instance: legal documents according to you are secular correct? why is it you feel the need to argue? it is unbecoming of a christian that claims to have all the scripture. if you were admonishing you would not just have stated the scripture, instead you would have stated your position gently and explained the scripture instead of using it as a defense mechanisim. why would you be defensive with scripture?
looks like chava was answering for ongard, someone has two names!
AND if you put on deo,and can write basic english you qualify to be a board member! never mind,a prayer life or knowledge of the bible just put on some "secret" and wala your qualified! dont get me wrong, i do believe one should be prepared for a position like that, but la puente bible school is nothing to brag about either and frankly the gb only has that type of education!
Jew or gentile
I can sense a real resistance to the Word of God ( Mark 7:13). Any committed Christian would have a positive reaction to the truth. This attitude affirms what I believe about a lot of people on this blog. They have a form of “Godliness” but they deny the power thereof. (1 Thessalonians 2:13). A truly effective revolution will require God’s revelation. If I am a fanatic, it is only because I am committed to the authority of scripture. If God’s word is not the source of our thoughts and actions, we are just making sounds.
apoww88
Where have you been??
I hope you been reading your bible and turned off CNN.
Aman to that Sola!
Cuete, check his out:
"Onguard said, Hey Chava
I wonder if APWC is a gay pastor and his two disciples are Rambo and CBG.
July 25, 2008 8:23 AM"
Then I said, "All bloggers,
Have you noticed that whenever ONGUARD blogs, he always talks about APWC! Why is that?
July 25, 2008 8:32 AM"
Then "chava said...And the only reason i talk about APWC is because i know what hes all about! NOTHING!"
Could it be that ONGUARD forgot he was blogging unde CHAVA when he responded! The question was posed to ONGUARD but CHAVA responded. Hmmmmmmm! That make sense!
ONGUARD = CHAVA = gay = GB lover!
TYPO: Amen to that Sola
Hi Cuete,
It seems as though my two posts have been followed by someone else posting something completely irrelevant by using my name (Chava).
The only two posts I've made, besides this one are:
July 25, 2008 12:40 AM
July 25, 2008 2:58 PM
Hijacking my name is indeed a very clever way to again prove my point of how pathetic some of you can be.
I see clearly why the GB and their kids laugh at all of you; because you are all dumb enough to keep paying for their salaries as you sit there and mope in your childish cry "NOT FAIR!"
Yep, you're all definitely dumb, just as the Bible says. Dumb as sheep.
whatever!you're gay and your caught!
LOST CREDIBILITY!
Ha ha ha ha ha.....LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL - You got caught chava/onguard!
You said, "I see clearly why the GB and their kids laugh at all of you; because you are all dumb enough to keep paying for their salaries as you sit there and mope in your childish cry "NOT FAIR!"
Yep, you're all definitely dumb, just as the Bible says. Dumb as sheep." HA HA HA HAAAAAA HA HA
What a dumb ..ss thing to say!
Keep on blogging chava/onguard I need more laughs. By the way when you write you sound like....how can I say it.....DUMB ..SS!!!
July 25, 2008 4:50 PM
Question, if we're all dumb what does that make you, fighting with dumb people?
Get a LIFE!
All you losers need to get a life. Move on. Nobody cares about your little revolution. Yuo are a bunch of whining little babies.
The gb laughs at you. We know you is being dumb at still going to our convention.
Blah, blah, blah. Keep wasting your time and energy. The bishops need a good laugh.
Julio L has tracked all your addresses and crossed referenced them with your churches. Your pastors will be notified. All of you pathentic bloggers will be put on probation and not allowed to got to convention.
Losers!
Sam you got caught too!
and if we need to get a life, what do you need? Take your own advice and get a LIFE!
For those of you who dont know,Sam was caught awhile back using two names also!
Hes probably this "chava" guy, too.
funny how he came to defend.
sola
you are right, you are just making sounds.
sam
you are too late and too little. Julio L. is not capable of doing such..I already got you all on this one..I'm more than one step ahead of you..you have been logged and it proves just another point. the general board has children working for them. using a tracker to slap people on the wrists. that is truly hilarious. the tracker does not identify anyone so you threaten no one, it identifies your region..and your friends, sir, are pointed exactly to Rancho Cucamonga. how sad!
To all,
If you look back at past bloggs you will also find that Sam was ALSO discovered to be gay! What a coincidence hu. Is this a trend with the GB kids. No wonder the flor azules continue to flourish (get it-florear)!
ONGUARD = CHAVA = SAM = GAY:-> = GB (Timmo) Lover!!!!
sam
if the general board laughs at us, why are they still reading this blog? they have nothing better to do? again, just sad.
CBG,
I speak on behalf of all R4J when i say this:
Your comments are unappropriate and we don't want you on our side if you speak that way.
We would like to operate with integrity.
Thank you and God Bless You.
I was just pondering on the statement made by someone about not putting on deodorant and not spelling english right. And I couldn't help but think about bro Baldemar R. his english wasn't perfect by far, but he did far more good in the AA than Daniel has so far!
Rockstar_Energy_Drink,
You're absolutely right. The GB mock these pastors simply because they can't read email nor can they use the internet. But it's these very men who although don't know email, have done more good than the GB put together.
The GB (and I know from firsthand experience) make themselves to be superior to everyone else. If you're not part of the club, then you're non-important.
ALERT!ALERT! THE GB HAS PEOPLE ON HERE PLAYING MUTIPLE ROLES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO BEING ON THE SIDE OF THE CHURCH! THEY ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GB! DO NOT ENGAGED THEM! I REPEAT DO NOT ENGAGED THEM, THERE MERELY A DISTRACTION FROM THE MISSION!
SOME ARE PRETENDING TO BE THE CHURCH BUT ARE NOT! THEY ARE FOR THE GB! REMEMBER WE ARE THE CHURCH! NOT THE GB!
Carlos said..."CBG, I speak on behalf of all R4J when i say this:
Your comments are unappropriate and we don't want you on our side if you speak that way."
With due respect to you Carlos, I'm NOT speaking on your behalf, nor have I made any declaration to be on your side! I SPEAK FOR MYSELF - WHAT I THINK!
Further more the beauty of this blog and this country is that I can speak my mind without fear of retribution by anyone (like the GB). If my words offend you, then suck it up and continue blogging my friend its called freedom of expresion.
By the way, my words are NOTHING compared to the bitterness and hardness of hearts people display who call themselves Christians. When I see the Christian fruit of which the Bible talks about in Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law" displayed in the people (Christians) that support and are against, maybe, just maybe I'll repent and change my ways!
In the mean time my friend I will continue to be the thorn in everyones flesh, blogging, manifesting and displaying what most of you harbor and hide in your hearts (including the GB)!
I love this country!
Chava, I've was wondering if you had to draw the line, where would you stand? With the gb or with the church?
Would you stand with men who mock these men for not knowing e-mail and not putting on deodorant?
Or would you stand with men who want to do GOD's will?
I don't think the Apostle Peter would have known anything about e-mail, or what does that say about the pastors in under-ground China? And the African pastors who are having rivival?
Please do respond, for I would love to know your thoughts.
Maybe we can get to some type of understanding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
Just for fun....my wife and I were watching this movie...and I wish I could take credit for it but she said, and I quote, "I wonder if the General Board does this after every meeting." I've been laughing about this since yesterday. hahahahahaha
m.gallegos,
I have drawn the line since the very beginning of this fiasco.
I do not agree at all with what the GB are doing. I do not see humility in any of their actions nor do I feel that what they're doing is God-centered.
However, I do not side with the meaningless points made on this blog. Why? It is nothing but verbal vomit and has contributed in no way in rectifying the problems the AA is facing.
It is sad to see that only a handful of men actually had the audacity to call for an investigation. Out of 100,000 members in the AA, only 4 or 5 men actually put their neck on the line and stood up for justice. And most of you diminish the value of what they sacrificed by logging on here and behave like idiots.
When compared to what these 4 or 5 men have done, it makes your silly posts seem pathetic and laughable.
So, you are against the actions of the board, what will you do to help the men who put their necks on the line? Or will you leave it in God's hands?
m.gallegos,
There is absolutely nothing I can do since I am not part of the AA. I get contracted in by the AA when they solicit my services. And that is all I will say about that.
What I do notice is the oppression caused by the GB to it's churches. What I don't get is why all of you continue funding these men so they can drive Escalades and Mercedes', and their kids wear Armani while your moms are stuck in the church kitchen making tamales until 4 in the morning. That isn't church, it's called "slave shops". If you speak up, you're whipped, abandoned or kicked out.
I don't get it. And the best you all can do is act like idiots on this blog? You're an embarrassment to the 4 or 5 men who are actually doing something.
Your wrong, there is much you can do.
At the risk of saying too much, there is more to this blog then meets the eye. There is a very "nice" number of Pastors and ministers who are "networking". If they fail, then they fail, but if they accomplish what they propose, well lets just say it will be a good day!
m.gallegos,
I guess the real answer is, there's not much I would want to do for the AA. I do not consider the AA an actual church. It is an AMWAY business where the men at the top become more powerful and more wealthier.
The AA leadership has taught that the more YOU give, the more Jesus you have. This to me is not church. It's a business.
True! The AA as an organization is not the church, but there is church in the AA. And that I believe is worth fighting for.
Amen to that, M.Gallegos!
Paz de Cristo Hnos. ya tengo tiempo dando lectura a todos los escritos de este blog, y a fin me anime en enlistarme y comentar, yo soy un exmiembro de la AA mas no del cuerpo de Cristo, fuimos de los primeros lynchados, pero el Senor nos a sacado adelante y nos a regresado el gozo despues de el trago amargo que experimentamos con nuestros hermanitos leaderes, Si hay Vida afuera de la AA. Me gusta la idea de una protesta en la convencion, y por eso es que me anime a escrbir, quisera ayudar en lo que pueda ayudar.
Merely a suggestion:
Felipe & Alma Lugo
18360 Manila St.
Bloomington, CA 92316
(909) 877-0415 Hm
(951) 218-3614 cell
Maybe he's a little lonely.
We should give him a call.
And you know noone's ever home now a days. What better number than his cell?
;)
Amen to that M.Gallegos
Para unhe2 11:08 a.m.
Paz de Cristo,
Hno. supongo que es un pastor por la razon que menciona que fue linchado.
En relacion a una protesta en la convencion se me hace muy buena idea. Creame que el "Trio Macabro" de Sanchez-Valverde-Pacheco ya estan paranoicos. Ya instalaron camaras hasta fuera de las oficinas generales, pero yo creo que son para mejor atender a los pastores y asi la mesa directiva puede ver cuando llegue un pastor y salir corriendo a recibirlo.
Porque ellos entienden que los pastores y sus congregaciones los mantienen a ellos y sus familias.
Mejor le cuento una de Vaqueros.
Una buena razon mas para pedir otra ofrenda o mas diezmos.
Regresando al tema, el mas miedo que les da es que haiga cualquier tipo de demostracion en contra de ellos.
Pero creo que lo mas efectivo seria empezar desde sus iglesias locales y llevarlo hasta la convencion general en Dallas.
Y una de tres se mueren de rabia, de colera, o de viejos, pero un dia estaran afuera de nuestra organizacion y
USTED PODRA REGRESAR !!!
Henry, I know you have posted some contact information of yours before; can you please post your phone number I would like to talk to you.
Dios les Bendiga,
Doroteo
A pancho villa
Disculpe hno. no me exprese bien, soy nada mas un miembro de una de las iglsias que an pasado por las injusticias de los lideres de la AA. solo Dios sabe el futuro de nuestra congregacion, esta semana el Senor nos bendijo con 3 bautismos y una boda, tambien nos estan visitando munchas almas le agradesemos de ante mano sus oraciones.
TO ALL BLOGGERS:
One more time please understand this whole mess didn't come about because of a lack of scripture! All scripture quotes are appreciated, but I don't see the need for them. What I do see is a need for some intellectual minds to come up with ideas that can help clean up this mess. Many of you are quoting scipture with a very heavy heart, your anger and bitternes is felt all the way through your blog. This mess came about because of an adminstration that is totally incompetent when it comes to leadership skills. And that's a fact jack! I honestly believe this so called leaders can be removed under pressure. When I am talking about pressure I don't mean violence or dirty tactics. I believe a convention at the Gaylord of the people that have been removed would be a good start!
LA DIST. W/Insights to Rancho Cucamonga
Trophyman
I totally agree with you, If there was any way possible that you can get Bro. BR, Avila or Torres to join you in this thought, this could bring many brethren to attend, I live in Texas and have a fair sound system that we can use or tell me how I can help.
Well Trophyman, as mentioned before, there are now several concerns:
1) CID - This worthless piece of paper which was used to disqualify candidates is not a legal document. It's a constitution that is designed forhonest men. When abused, there are no safegaurds and disingenuous men can exploit its weaknesses.
2) Especially with CID, there is no possible way Two-vote Eddie could be qualified for anything given his highly questionable past and his current questionable dealing & associations.
3) Several established Pastors were ex-communicated for raising a challenge due to valid concerns
4) There is a new corporation. This Apostolic Assembly Of the Faith in Christ Jesus of Texas was founded October 11, 2007. To this date, July 27, 2008, they have failed to inform the Pastors of its existence or purpose.
5) This newly formed corporation will have NO MEMBERS. NO ONE has the right to vote here. The DIRECTORS are Sanchez, Valverde & Pacheco.
5) Several General Board members have already utilized their positions to benefit themselves and their families.
a) Sanchez -> Art Espinosa, Johnny Sanchez, Son-in-law.
b) Valverde -> Eddie Pacheco, Sam Valverde Jr., His church (tape ministry)
c) Aguilar -> Jason Aguilar's $2,000,000.00 church building in New York, Jaime (aguilar) performances
d) Much more than I am aware of, or values under $100,000.00 not worthy of mentioning as this post would be too long
6) This statement is without evidence, just a hunch - Sam & Eddie have already formed non-profit corporations for their local churches. This will allow them to divert funds from the AA to pay off their construction projects. These properties will be transferred out of the AA/ca name and into a different non-profit corporation (AA/Tx? FTC/SAM? ST/EDDIE?). Look for this to happen soon. Once the Pastors wake up and remove these men, it will be too late for the finances.
7) The majority of Pastors have only heard the AA side of the story. Most do not have internet access and some can barely read their own language.
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
p.s. I believe Sam already has his 501(c)(3) - for 'construction fundraising'
Pancho Villa, email me at:
hankster44@gmail.com
Reading the blogs of Baldemar Rodriguez a few days ago, he mentioned that his wife and families feelings were so hurt by all of this and that he appreciated prayers on his behalf.
I would address the fact that many Pastors stood in his shoes while he was President; fearing for the loss of their positions and the repercussions to their families, and he excommunicated them-some, with less reason than what he was fired for.
He must have been devastated by the fact that the 3 men he made during the time that he was President & VP, and gave positions to; (Luciano Montes, Pastor in Indio, Sam Valverde, FOT, and Ed Pacheco, Corona, all from the Interior District where BR is from) and who now have big churches in the same district, were not there to support him or back him up.
They are in these positions today because Baldemar saw to it that they got these positions during his reign of 23 years as Pres & VP. Yet none of them were there for him.
My take on this is that all these men have something to hide, something to look over their shoulder about.
If they managed over all these years to get away with it, logic would tell them that with all they have taken from the Assembly, they (Sanchez, Baldemar) would retire and call it good.
But these two old boars are willing to take out the AA in order to feed their own egos.
So I've been busy over the past few days, so I haven't been up to par on news.
Other than the usual nonsense of name calling and dirt throwing contests...are there any new developments with the Revolutionaries? Or just the usual discussions about the CID?
Someone enlighten me, what does CID stand for, again?
Paz de Cristo!!!!
So we had an Awsome Youth summit here in the Midland Church this past Friday and Saturday the devil together with the General board tried to stop us but NO ONE WAS ABLE To STOP US because we have the Lord of lords and King of kings on our side so BAM. I know God is a good God yes He is.........
Paz de Cristo!!!!
So we had an Awsome Youth summit here in the Midland Church this past Friday and Saturday the devil together with the General board tried to stop us but NO ONE WAS ABLE To STOP US because we have the Lord of lords and King of kings on our side so BAM. I know God is a good God yes He is.........
Paz de Cristo!!!!
So we had an Awsome Youth summit here in the Midland Church this past Friday and Saturday the devil together with the General board tried to stop us but NO ONE WAS ABLE To STOP US because we have the Lord of lords and King of kings on our side so BAM. I know God is a good God yes He is.........
so curious....
"he devil together with the General board tried to stop us but NO ONE WAS ABLE To STOP US"
Please explain to the group how exactly the "Devil" and The "GB" tried to stop your youth summit?
Folks, need I remind us all that the enemy is the Devil not the church.
apostolicanalyst,
can you please elaborate on the mentioned three that BR put into Position?
CID, talk about a "document" full of vagueness and gray area. It leads to a spirit of confusion. Unlike the Commandments and the Commandment Jesus gave us. The Bible speaks clearly so there is no confusion. The AA speaks something and does another.
CID: Confusing Idiotic Document
Well, thank you Henry for you interpretation, but seriously what is it?
Someone posted a link to it. Its basically a means whereby the general board can summarily dismiss or unqualify or discriminate against candidates for the general board.
It was authored mostly by a person with a Master's Degree in psychology from a Mexican University.
Thats the funny part of this saga. We have a legal document in a religious organization written by a person with no formal religeous training nor any legal training.
That would be like a lawyer starting to practice medicine.
That would be like a jardinero becomeing a pastor over night.
Only in Rancho Cucamonga do we make spiritual dons out of conmen and x-orange salesmen.
REQUEST:
CAN WE TAKE UP AN OFRENDA TO PAY FOR A JARDINERO AND HANDYMAN TO CLEAN UP AND REPAIR BISHOP MARTIN DEL CAMPOS CHURCH? ITS A TOTAL BLIGHT.
YOU KNOW THINGS ARE BAD WHEN AN OWNER OF A CRACKHOUSE CALLS UP THE CITY TO REPORT THE CHURCH FOR BRINGING DOWN THE PROPERTY VALUES.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO REMIND DEL CAMPO THAT HE IS PASTORING A CHURCH IN SOUTH GATE, CALIFORNIA, USA NOT CAHUILA, TIJUANA, MEXICO.
geeze Henry, tell us how you really feel.
lol
Can someone please take a picture of martin del campo's church and post it for us?
MB: While on a Top Secret Mission on behalf of the cause, I just happend to take one. Where can I send it?
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Subject: [AAO] Our message has been...
I'm sitting here at 1:20 am and I'm wondering where things went wrong within several aspects of Pentecostalism. I remember growing up and hearing the stories from my grandparents of great manifestations of God in power.
They had all night prayer meetings and the brethren were glued together in unity. I can recall stories of people who were possessed with unclean spirits coming into the church and the men of God requesting that all children be taken to another part of the church and ordering for the doors to be closed and everyone in prayer until people were delivered and set free.
As I was growing up and went through various troubles in my teen years and young adult life, I ended up giving my life to Christ at 19 years of age and remember clinging on to many of the teachings I had heard from many of those men of God. No one questioned much about how things were done or standards, rules, regulations, conduct, or apparel because the focus was entirely on God's presence.
I caught the tail end, so to speak of some great movements of God and in my sincerity I wanted to be used of God but felt so inadequate, thinking such use was for those in higher positions. But when the time came, God began to work through our life and we became a conduit of God's operative power.
Slowly I started seeing something that was not very visible in the beginning. As our youth group began to grow, and as we started experiencing an outpouring of God in the youth group and in the Sunday School Class we taught, there were some questions that began to stir up. Slowly I started feeling the squeeze of a new structure that began to take place.
Here in Southern California, there are many churches as there are throughout the country. And leaders began to reduce or hinder the manifestation of God in power and this slowed down the spiritual growth of many.
Of course many of us had godly zeal and we desired to see the manifestation of God in power. District youth camps were phenomenal were there were many experiences that left us speechless. And after working intensely with our local youth, our retreats became greater in the demonstration of God's power that District camps could not compare to.
But mindsets began to change as the worry of money and quantity of people became the new quotas, and no longer the quality of God's presence.
Traditional pentecostal churches began to struggle to keep their membership afloat as many began to walk away from their churches. Not many wanted to leave, but felt that nothing more was offered as the churches began to go opposite of forward. The true purpose was purported and vision was skewed. Things were not as they appeared to be.
Slowly God's demonstration began to be replaced by methods, tactics and techniques due largely in part from wearing people out with so many conferences and seminars and very similar events that really had nothing to do with individual growth, but did offer somewhat of an experience with Christ if the level of worship was reached at all during such events.
But there was once a time where uneducated, but sincere, God-believing men just moved in the direction of God's presence and were very obedient to cause God to respond and move amongst His people.
Somewhere I think intellect, which is justified by saying that God would not have us to be ignorant, and that the blessing of God are tied to "things" led people to pursue something more than just Spirit, but to pursue things that might make the Spirit seem greater.
Traditional churches started losing their footing as mainstream churches really took methods up a notch and better facilities that dealt with needs of certain aspects of the family unit. The trade-off, however, was that lack of demonstrative worship and one is encouraged to simply listen and cling on to the moral teachings in hopes that this will suffice in bringing conviction or purpose. But what has occurred is the acceptance of all things, which is a branch of existentialism, and of course Nietzsche was one of the candidates to push this philosophy into the plates of humanity.
So while many churches started presenting a misunderstanding of love and acceptance in order to fit into the present day culture, they have in a way shot themselves in the foot because as representatives of God, we must say God also accepts everyone just as they are, and while He does, one cannot be a part of God in Christ unless they have the Spirit of God which leads them to all truth.
Truth is key and is outlined in John chapter 3 stating that those that do the truth come to the light, not those that do good.
In the process of this change people felt that they could feel a bit more liberated in attending a non-traditional church and express their individualism, which is only a play on present day culture. Current times tell us to just be ourselves so that we can be happy, but it doesn't tell one what to do to be saved.
In this change there has been a loss of the manifestation of God in speaking with other tongues and the gifts of the Spirit such as interpretation of those tongues spoken in general assemblies or congregations.
So those that have left traditional churches feel free to live and dress according to their preference, and it is preference and there's nothing wrong with that. Traditional churches are trying to incorporate more methods that will allow them to model some of the techniques of mainstream community churches which are uber cool.
So not many, on either side of the spectrum is growing spiritually. Many are settling and satisfied while having the audacity to be impressed with substitution, methodological systems that have removed God from His rightful place over the church as the head of all things.
Churches therefore have wanted to make things comfortable for people in starting a million and one ministries to get one job done. From children's ministries to picnic ministries, it appears that everything is a ministry of some sort. All to get what done?
What of the gifts of the Spirit which Paul encourages we should be zealous of them. He tells the church in Corinth: "Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church."
We should be zealous of these things. It's not an issue of acceptance, or consideration, the gifts are for us to pursue with zeal.
So those who have left traditional churches because traditional churches lack teaching and an upgraded system, people move onto a more modern church where much of the messages are heavily diluted or very elementary. So neither side grows, unless one takes it upon themselves to study and allow God to lead them, and if they're in a church which believes opposite of what God has led one to believe, then they are considered a heretic, or a rebel, but rarely one who has acquired revelatory information.
The point in all of this is that there are too many churches that have not allowed God to move in their churches due to substituting the power of God with methods that have birthed children who are spiritually anemic.
Church is not about coming in order to feel good, church is a place where we come to feel the conviction of God to live right and obey the vision of God over our lives and get to working for the expansion of the Kingdom of God as there is a world wide move of God with or without people. God is God and His creation doesn't make Him greater, and if He were without it, it would make Him no less.
People aren't supposed to feel good when they're shackin' up with someone else's spouse, or have become irresponsible in their relationship to God; talking about people and their dissatisfaction with church and world issues. People aren't supposed to feel good when they come to church, robbin' God of what belongs to Him in worship, praise, and the tithe.
So while the spirit of philosophy and science, relativism and humanism, became aggressive, the church became passive. And a lie came up in the church that was about not doing things that people do not understand, such as people speaking in tongues, people falling out under the power of God, starting up prayer lines, and now so many churches have become infected with the spirit of this generation.
So infected until preachers refuse to preach the Word of God anymore. They just hand out canned sermons, and a bunch of little sermonettes and click-your-heal messages. They won't call sin, sin, they won't call the devil the devil, they won't cast nothing out, they won't pray for nothing and the church has become so unconvinced of it's own message, we don't plead the blood, or call on Jesus, we won't believe in angels, the virgin birth or the raising of the dead, much less the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
So we have the rise of the therapeutic gospel and the church backed up. No one has sin, they just have a problem. We backed up off of sin. There is on casting out of demons anymore, we just offer up some counseling and pill, we backed up off of deliverance. No one needs to repent anymore, everyone just needs to be understood. This is acceptance of all things.
Jesus said, "My house shall be called the house of prayer". Aren't you tired of backing up. You should get a hold of as many people as you can and say it's time to get fired up! We need to talk about holiness, we need to talk about heaven and hell, not just offering up easy answers to hard problems, but salvation to lost souls.
My God, when will the conviction and the fear of God be restored to the Bride? When will people get tired enough to finally rise up in power and authority to get things done in the Name of Christ for the power of God to manifest through us! When? I highly suggest many of us turn from all the contemporary crap that has been served up in the stead of God's presence and get back to stirring up the gifts within us as Paul told Timothy.
I would to God that all were prophets. This world is in dire need of God and the redeeming power of Christ. I'm looking to get home soon, very soon. I'm looking for Christ to return and get things done.
I don't care about organizations, law suits, or the sheer stupidity of men. Let those that are holy be holy still. Let those that are righteous be righteous still. And those that aren't, let them continue in their ways as the scripture states in Revelations 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. "
Even so come Lord Jesus!
David R.
David R. - very well said.
I shared that message last week. I'm glad to see im not the only one that feels that way.
David R.
I don't have the time to read your entire blog; but I like the your thoughts; and I too share them with you.
dioesamor:
can you walk and chew gum at the same time?
LOL you crack me up. You tell us about being bitter, and rebuke us, but in a bitter tone...lol
The Irony!! lol
Now get back to your Expositor. Written by a La Puente Bible School Grad...lol
Irony, our Oness leaders were trained by Trinitarians. lol
CBG,
According to you, anybody who disagrees with you is a dumb A...
But you are worse than that. At least Balaam Dumb Ass had sense to fear God and saved his master, you don't even have that sense or the sense to seek your own salvation.
You criticize the AA and the GB but you don't realize that you are the biggest hypocrite in this blog, for you accuse people of lacking integrity, something you don't have, along with other things, things you don't have. As a matter of fact you live in sin and keep rejecting Jesus. Take the beam out of your eye before you try to take out the speck out of other people's eyes.
You're a hearer of the Word and you even quote it, but one thing you're not is a doer of the Word.
Not even with the low standards of the Revolutionaries of injustice, do they accept you. It's embarrassing that you got REJECTED by them. What a looser.
In previous post you claim that I probably didn't understand a Proverb but let me give you a easy scripture that you haven't understood to accept or do.
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38
factsonly
Now that's the way to win souls, by calling them "losers".
That makes you worse than him because supposedly you have "repented", he hasn't.
So, factsonly, did you get your "soul-winning" skills at the "Jesus Strategy" conferences?
oh god.
the ppl with multiple personality disorders are back.
right now hes factsonly1, 10 minutes from now, WHO KNOWS who he will be?!
so factsonly1, how's the weather in Rancho Cucamonga?
Don Fernando,
I haven't heard frm you anymore...
are you still around?
I'm sure that the most of you have read B. Rodriquez's letter ( http://www.apostolicassembly.info/BALDEMAR%20RODRIGUEZ%20Letter%20English.doc) stating the assets left for the AA. This funds are now in control of the AA which put them just in the right place for raiding them for the purpose of building someone else's Mega church.
I wonder who would do such a thing? ( three guesses)
How can you sit in a church built with someone else's funds that cost them hard work, tears, and sweat. God Have Mercy!
If you have or have not read Sister Rita Salomon : (http://www.apostolicassembly.info/july2008.doc) The General Board tryed to Humble Pastor Salomon,. They would like to see the outst Pastors crawl on their knees, but have yet to find one that will.
This in my opinion was never about the Elections in general, it goes deeper.
Three men sat and came up with an evil plan to take control of the AA for their own personal gain, and when the Men Of God questioned the elections it threw a monkey wrench into the evil plans.
So this is where we stand today in the verge of the AA being distroyed and its funds and churches going to the newly formed AA of Texas, where only THREE so called anionted men of God want to sit on the throne and rule with no opposition.
All the proof is on this web page(http://www.apostolicassembly.info/Others.html) Read the letters and see the proof for yourselves.
The Revolution has started! Arm yourselves with the truth: http://apostolicrestoration.blogspot.com/
to factsonly
Everything you said about me is true! I am what you say I am. Now I want to know what your excuse is? Because you're NO different than me. Your heart is just as hard, dark, and selfrighteous - The only difference is I admit mine, but you CLAIM your are not. And I would even bet that eventhough some won't say it, but you're as big as a hypocrite as I.
And save your Scripture quotin cause it doesn't fit with what you say. You might friend have the same heart I do, repent yourself! Dumb ..ss!!!!!
What is the only Foreign Automaker endorsed by the Bible?
Answer:
Neh. 2:1
To cbg,
Finally you said something right,
you fianally admit everything I say about you is true.
Looser.
To Carlos,
Don't flatter yourself,
Rancho is not worried about you.
And just as your wrong about who I am, your wrong about everything else.
I'm not even close to Rancho.
To Jose,
I guess you won't have any weapons because you definitely don't have the truth.
It's a sin to slander people. Why would you suggest that any one is going to steal those funds to build a mega church.
What facts do you have to make those assumptions?
Or is this the regular practice of Rev. of Injustice. To make up lies.
May God have mercy on you.
interesting...
yet you know SO much about what they are worried about right?
makes sense. :)
Factsonly1,
So what is your take on the new texas corp?
The perception out there is that it is a way to embezzle funds or to take over assets?
I'd like to hear the "close minded GB worshipers" point of view.
Who better to ask than you?
:-)
factsonly
Your comment "It's a sin to slander people. Why would you suggest that any one is going to steal those funds to build a mega church."
Ummm, let me see "steal those funds". Pacheco? It's not slander when its the truth.
To Carlos,
Your perception is way off, why do you assume that anybody who disagrees with you guys, has to be from Rancho.
I'm not a GB worshipper at all, I only worship God, Not man. I don't follow man at all cost, like say people that followed BR.
As far as the new corporation I have no idea about that, or facts so I'm not going to assume, unlike you.
But when the facts come out and all your assumptions are proven wrong are you going to admit to your slander? Or are you going to just jump on another issue and continue your slander?
Slander, huh?
you seem to be using that word alot!
Oh, was that this week's new vocabulary word? Good to see an AA member seeking education outside ob CBAN! So how much closer till you get your GED?
After reading just a few of the comments archived on this site, I am so very glad I left the Apostolic Church a long time ago. It was only a matter of time before egos prevailed and the Lord Jesus Christ would be left out of the game. He is no where to be found in the hearts of Apostolic Leaders. As a former member who has suffered significantly from the lingering effects of abuse at the hands of men who would not know service it it reach out and slapped them. Thank God I am free, free indeed.
After reading just a few of the comments archived on this site, I am so very glad I left the Apostolic Church a long time ago. It was only a matter of time before egos prevailed and the Lord Jesus Christ would be left out of the game. He is no where to be found in the hearts of Apostolic Leaders. As a former member who has suffered significantly from the lingering effects of abuse at the hands of men who would not know service it it reach out and slapped them. Thank God I am free, free indeed.
After reading just a few of the comments archived on this site, I am so very glad I left the Apostolic Church a long time ago. It was only a matter of time before egos prevailed and the Lord Jesus Christ would be left out of the game. He is no where to be found in the hearts of Apostolic Leaders. As a former member who has suffered significantly from the lingering effects of abuse at the hands of men who would not know service it it reach out and slapped them. Thank God I am free, free indeed.
After reading just a few of the comments archived on this site, I am so very glad I left the Apostolic Church a long time ago. It was only a matter of time before egos prevailed and the Lord Jesus Christ would be left out of the game. He is no where to be found in the hearts of Apostolic Leaders. As a former member who has suffered significantly from the lingering effects of abuse at the hands of men who would not know service it it reach out and slapped them. Thank God I am free, free indeed.
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