AV
- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
*Not 2006 Election related
3,402 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 2601 – 2800 of 3402 Newer› Newest»Skotty,
As I was doing a little more research, I learned that the AAFCJ is actually a Non-profit organization, so they actually have to pay even less taxes than a not-for-profit.
God Bless You.
Email From the real GB5
"Thanks for the email Bro. Scott, no we haven't heard of your blog but as far as someone posing as one of us this wouldn't be a first, but no worries it's all good. As God continues to broaden our platform in ministry (of which we consider a high honor and privilege), the enemy seeks to destroy, as so the word puts it "he seeks those who he desires to bring down" 1 Peter 5:8 The encouraging passage is in vs. 9-10, our present afflictions are only here to make us the stronger and the wiser by faith, it's only through the fire where we come out as Gold. No it's never comforting to hear rumors or slanderous comments being spread about our beloved Pastors, Elders or even ourselves but be encouraged Bro. Scott as we are...the truth will always prevail.
Bendiciones!
-GB5"
God is Just:
Okay, I'm back and I have a little more time to elaborate.
You said:
"You say you're not being neutral"
Actually, I said the church of Indio is not neutral. But I'm not neutral either. I don't see how anybody can be neutral on this issue. If one is AA and they haven't seceded, then they're Pro- AA. If one has left their local AA church, or has seceded with their formerly AA Church, then they are Anti-AA. Where is neutral? I don't see it anywhere.
You said:
"You mention you support the assembly and don't agree with the actions of the plantiffs."
Actually, I said we support the AA, but that does not mean we agree with the actions of the GB.
I don't agree with the actions of the GB. I also don't know the whole story. However, I can say that I am doing my research and I have found that there was no legal precedent for what the plaintiffs had done. The 14th amendment of the constitution has been interpreted as a red light for the State or Fed to meddle with the affairs of any religious organization, PERIOD. Even though the plaintiffs had been advised of this, they went on with the proceedings.
I am discovering more and more how complex this whole thing is.
R4J are doing the right thing in attempting to inform the church.
Jesus had nothing to hide. When he spoke of the Pharisees, he said once, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity" (Matt. 23:27-28).
I am not passing judgment on any of our GB members. I'm just saying that if we are clean on the inside, then we have nothing to hide. We should be able to speak freely and openly with all the laity.
God Bless You.
Skotty:
Thanks for the e-mail from the real GB5. It's nice to see some integrity on this blog, you S, T, F!
God Bless You.
P.S. Let me know if you don't like being called a S, T, F. God is Just thinks it's counterproductive.
Snoopyd
Thank you for your response! I assumed you are a minister or assistant pastor because of your knowledge of the position of Pastor. I could be wrong.
I am going to pick your mind a bit further in regards to Pastor. Only because I know you will not be offended.
You state the following: "The first thing I'd do is ask pastor what he plans to do. I am about 99%sure of what he'd do, and it wouldn't be to go independent."
How can you be so sure that Pastor would not go independent? Independent doesn't mean he would leave the doctrine, it would only mean he didn't belong to the AA. Do you see something wrong with not being from the AA itself?
R4J is dumb said...
hey give some to phantom, she could use some more. (that little fatty)
You are UGLY and Phantom may be a little fatty (no ofense Phantom) but if she is, at least she can lose the weight!
Ok wow guys IM not fat lol Im 5"2 and I weigh 110 lbs. Thats funny tho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wHATS THE SAYING...
OH YEAH ... SORRY R4J IS DUMB BUT CURRENTLY THERE IS NO CURE FOR UGLY.. hahah
ok so WHos down to Crash Convention 2008????
lol thas funny!!!!!!!!!
Youre cool if you lived here we should def hang out! BUt you don't
Hells Yea!!!
Im in!!!!
Ok So I have Been reading these blog for a while and all i can truly conclude with is r4j really is dumb,
the only ones that really shed some bit of light on any of this is factsonly1 and r4jisdumb
they see right through your little cell group skotty.
-Jmorales
btw i am not afraid to show my face unlike this rebellious leader.
what happened with FAToya? I mean Tafoya?
Skotty IS DUMB said, "btw i am not afraid to show my face unlike this rebellious leader. -Jmorales
July 15, 2008 11:26 PM"
Btw Dude, you should be afraid to show your face (if that is trully your picture). You look like a stick bug (if you know what that is)! Also for a grown ..ss man couldn't you come p with a more original name than "Skotty IS DUMB."
MY GOD no wander the AA is in such a mess, being back by so many MORONS!
Skotty IS DUMB, is just another dumb ..ss to be added to the likes of FACTSONLY1,R4JISDUMB,GB5ONLINE,CLAYAIKEN,AND BSFANCLUB. WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMB ..SSES!!!
God is Just:
I am not going to speculate about my pastor's private life over a public blog, so I'm not going to go any further into what I think he would do if the GB were to axe him.
On the other hand, as other bloggers have noted, Pastor Montes was added as a defendant in the lawsuit, so I don't see how the GB would want to axe him to begin with.
You asked, "Do you see something wrong with not being from the AA itself?"
Response: Not at all. There's nothing inherently evil about not being AA. But it's like asking me, "Do you see something wrong with not being a part of your family?" There's nothing wrong with me not belonging to my family, but I'm not going to abandon my family just because they have flaws and human weaknesses. On the contrary, I do my best to help my family resolve their differences. But that's just me.
Some folks seem to think it's wrong to try to fix a broken home.
Some folks seem to think it's wrong to complain about their brothers' shortcomings.
Some folks seem to like to pretend like they have the perfect family.
Other folks seem to think that it's best to divorce oneself from a lifelong relationship because staying in it would be too painful.
Do you think there's something wrong with staying in the AA and trying to come up with a solution?
Do you actually think outsiders will be successful in trying to fix the problem?
CBG said...
Skotty IS DUMB said, "btw i am not afraid to show my face unlike this rebellious leader. -Jmorales
Btw Dude, you should be afraid to show your face (if that is trully your picture). You look like a stick bug (if you know what that is)!
I'm laughing my R4J is dumb off!!!
Skotty:
If R4J is going to maintain its credibility, then "crashing" convention 2008 is not the best idea you've come up with.
On the other hand, we can "crash" the convention through our pastors' voices by:
a. Getting in our Pastors' ears and bug them about speaking up for amending the constitution
b. Helping our pastors come up with a motion to amend the constitution.
c. Helping our pastors write an amendment to the constitution.
d. After convention, respectfully ask our pastors, "What did you actually do to help bring a resolution to our problem so that it NEVER happens again?"
Remember, one of our goals is to GIVE PASTORS BACK THEIR VOICE. If we try to speak up for them at convention, then we are enabling them to keep silent.
God Bless You
i have some stuff on skotty!
email me if you want it...
AAJMORALES@gmail.com
Skotty IS DUMB said, "i have some stuff on skotty! email me if you want it...AAJMORALES@gmail.com"
WOW dude! I personally don't know skotty, but telling people to email you so you can trash the guy - boy I hope your slate is clean, and you are without sin, because if anybody knows you you just gave them the RIGHT to also do the same to you! What goes around - COMES AROUND!
Stick man you are a DUMB ..SS!!
May I ask THAT r4j supporters not Email jmorales
Family doesnt do this to each other j.
QUIT SENDING PICTURES and My address to people!
Once again R4J supporterS DON'T EMAIL JMORALES
-SKOTTY
Snoopyd
You stated “I am not going to speculate about my pastor's private life over a public blog, so I'm not going to go any further into what I think he would do if the GB were to axe him.”
My answer: He is my pastor too and I never asked a question regarding pastor’s personal life so I don’t know what you’re trying to say. You don’t sound as credible as before.
You stated “On the other hand, as other bloggers have noted, Pastor Montes was added as a defendant in the lawsuit, so I don't see how the GB would want to axe him to begin with.”
My answer: Other bloggers have noted that those that were involved whatsoever in this lawsuit would be axed, and those that are even just friends with the plantiffs are currently going to be axed as well. I’m not trying to be mean, I’m just saying you are starting to sound a little naïve.
You stated “You asked, "Do you see something wrong with not being from the AA itself?"
Response: Not at all. There's nothing inherently evil about not being AA. But it's like asking me, "Do you see something wrong with not being a part of your family?" There's nothing wrong with me not belonging to my family, but I'm not going to abandon my family just because they have flaws and human weaknesses. On the contrary, I do my best to help my family resolve their differences. But that's just me.”
My answer: Your question gives you stability. However, what about those involved in these lynchings? Didn’t they want to be apart of the “family” but were forced out? What makes you believe that they did not want to be apart of the family when they were ex-communicated?
I believe you’re looking at this situation a bit differently then I am. Again, maybe because my friends were involved so I have a different view. Forgive me if my passion becomes me, let me reiterate, this is my personal observation.
How can you say these people abandoned their family when it was the exact opposite?
Referring to you last posts now:
“Some folks seem to think it's wrong to try to fix a broken home.”
My answer: Some folks don’t understand a house can’t be fixed if it was broken by the other and the other wants nothing to do with them. Then all you can do is move on and pray. Sometimes, things are only meant for a season, there is a time for everything (Eccle)
“Some folks seem to think it's wrong to complain about their brothers' shortcomings.”
My answer: The plantiffs complained about their brother’s shortcomings and ended up excommunicated.
“Some folks seem to like to pretend like they have the perfect family.”
My answer: Some folks think they have the perfect family and we end up with situations like this with the AA.
“Other folks seem to think that it's best to divorce oneself from a lifelong relationship because staying in it would be too painful.”
My answer: Some folks again don’t understand that the GB divorced themselves from the lifelong relationship because staying in it was going to be too painful in the long run.
“Do you think there's something wrong with staying in the AA and trying to come up with a solution?”
My answer: You sound pretty passionate yourself with this question. My question is..when the plantiffs did try to stay in the AA and try to come up with a solution... It ended up in ex-communication. (i.e. read the "missing letters")
“Do you actually think outsiders will be successful in trying to fix the problem?”
My answer: According to your posts, the outsiders have already been 60% successful in trying to fix the problem and are currently continuing to help pastors gain a voice. They’re called R4J! We forget that Skotty is an outsider, as he has stated he is not from the AA. We also forget that the first R4J's come from BR's congregation.
I pray this finds you with peace and grace
God Bless
I have some stuff, warm milk and cookies, for skotty is dumb and
r4j is dumb.
Lots of warm milk and cookies are waiting for you at my wonderland home.
Skotty is dumb
How unfortunate that you feel the need to join in the bashing. If you haven't already noticed, most of the people on here try to keep decent conversations. Try it sometime.
email me
aajmorales@gmail.com
not moralez*
NO skotty needs to be exposed for what he is...
for those who have recieved the pictures of him spread it around!
or if you want his address and pictures of him
email me
aajmorales@gmail.com
We should overthrow everyone in Rancho Crookamunga!!
Skotty is dumb - MoraleS:
I find you very interesting. So much, that i begin to question your integrity. I personally, care less, if Scotty is an outsider, or if you expose this Gentlemen for who HE truly is, a sinner, person in trouble with the law and/or whatever flaw he as a person may Possess. Because the reality of the matter is that we are all on the same boat, Sinners in need of a Savior.
The facts of the matter are, that the GB exposed themselves for who they truly are. The Lawsuit exposed the AA, allowing the Layman the opportunity to really see what top Management is really about.
So don't accuse Scotty of wrong doing nor shed light on who he is. Because it was not Scotty that did the GB in. It was the GB that did the GB in and they did it very well.
Skotty I'm down bro to crash the Convention!!!!!!!
Vote for Skotty!
We are living in the Last days Read Below! OMG.........
Lakers' Jordan Farmar to go on peace mission to Middle East
Lakers guard, who is Jewish, will travel to Israel in August to run basketball camps for Israeli and Palestinian children, with the goal of giving them a lasting foundation of friendship and goodwill.
By Chris Hine, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
9:15 PM PDT, July 15, 2008
Like other NBA players, Jordan Farmar will head overseas this summer, only with a different mission -- to facilitate peace in the Middle East.
The Lakers' guard, who is Jewish, will travel to Israel to run basketball camps for Israeli and Palestinian children in association with the Peres Peace Center. The goal of the camps, which take place Aug. 4 to 11, is to bring Israeli and Palestinian children together through basketball and create a foundation for peaceful relations between them in years to come.
Jordan Farmar is the anti -christ!!
wow this is ridiculous i have had 25 emails already for info on skotty
i should start charging haha
if you recieved the pictures i sent spread thems aruond!
if you want the pics and his address
email me
AAJMORALES@GMAIL.COM
*skotty said...
"Family doesnt do this to each other j."
I dont care anymore scott!
God is just,
The downside of blogging is that it's easy to misconstrue what someone writes because we think they're directing comments at someone when they're actually being directed at someone else. When I said,
“Some folks seem to think it's wrong to try to fix a broken home.”
“Some folks seem to think it's wrong to complain about their brothers' shortcomings.”
“Some folks seem to like to pretend like they have the perfect family.”
“Other folks seem to think that it's best to divorce oneself from a lifelong relationship because staying in it would be too painful.”
I was directing myself to the opponents of R4J.
After reading and re-reading R4J's 5 goals, it looks to me that R4J would like to see the AA fix itself. Otherwise it wouldn't be a revolution. It would be a secession.
There's more I'd like to answer you about, but I gotta run. I'll get back to you tonight.
Really quick though, in order for the constitution to be amended, which it turns out is the biggest issue here, it requires people who have a vote, i.e. our pastors, the insiders.
God Bless You.
whazzzt UP!!
where are my cookies??
hey Scotty, why are you so worried about? Are you afraid of something?
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To The Following People:
Ruben Bernal
Norman Ortiz
se_tec_astronomy@sbcglobal.net -no Name Provided
Javier Guerra- i wont post your email because your a NAVY.MIL person.
G Munos
Alexander Rico
Rome Morrissey
Steven Rodriguez
I'm Sorry To Say...
But I Have Had A CHANGE OF HEART...
I Hope you all understand that is why i haven't sent Anything to Any Of YOU....
-Thank You For Your Understanding...
Jmorales
Juan Delgado emailed me...
"J,
I've been trying to find this guy, noone at San Bernardino seemst knows him or want to give any info.
So what info do you have on this guy?"
Sorry Juan but i had a change of heart...
JMORALES
Hello all, new the mess here. Just wanted to let the monkey with the camera that I will soon be displaying your pictures and all your dirty work on this site. It will be on you tube also... IT WILL BE EPIC!!!!
skotty is dumb
Wow, that's all I can say! What a list! Isn't Ruben Bernal Bro. Valverde's brother in law.. Who is in his 50's?
spyonyou
If you are supposedly a CHP officer, why would you have to say your a spy and not post your real name?
Why so much hate towards Skotty?
I can understand you're all upset, yet what I don't understand is what makes you so livid? If you feel that you are in the right and correct, why do you feel the need to find Skotty? What does that say about your christian ehtics?
Wow! I sent two e-mails one fake and one real and my name didn't make the list....
MIGUEL GALLEGOS....
Oh not all the names are real!!!!
Just us!
godisjust:
You assume too much. You know what they say when you ass-u-me?
But am I "really" a CHP? lol Wow, people like you are so, well you know... let's just say i laughed at you.
Well what I am working on will really shock Scotty himself. I know him and he knows me too. I will reveal myself to him in due time. It will be upto him though if I do it here or in person. I will be monitoring somethings... Then I will decide.
OOOOPS, some corrections on my first post:
Hello all, new TO the mess here. Just wanted to let the monkey with the camera KNOW that I will soon be displaying HIS pictures and all HIS dirty work on this site. It will be on you tube also... IT WILL BE EPIC!!!!
godisjust, King of assumptions: the brother-in-law's last name IS NOT Bernal you sonso! It's Contreras.
Has anyone seen the Abel Torres documentaries on youtube.com? I believe there's 4 of them. I don't know the links just do a Abel Torres search.
Skotty is dumb,
You really pulled a fast one on those simpletons! I can't believe they fell for it. Well I hope they at least gave fake names...
Spy On you...
ummm ... how bout in person...
i think it would be funny
and how bout you visit me in uniform that would put the icing on the cake!
lol
Dude u WIsh.!
SKOTTY
Spy ON you...
ok im hooked! you have to let me know what dirty work!
lol
btw...the countdown of your 15mins of fame has started...
SKOTTY
let me guess...
do i have to email you and give you my real name to get that info??
YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES!
They came by way of darkness (under the sheets) as it were, ah they live and walk in the dark, but also they want every soul in the AA to do as GB
does to walk in the DARK>>!!!.......
Oooh broo-hu-la ha ha in suspense!
Just like a horror telenovela chachos
They came by way of darkness (under the sheets) as it were, ah they live and walk in the dark, but also they want every soul in the AA to do as GB
does to walk in the DARK>>!!!.......
Oooh broo-hu-la ha ha in suspense!
Just like a horror telenovela chachos
Hey Skotty, I was wondering where you were. I am not going to make any empty threats. I am however, preparing something just for you. I'm just verifying the data I've recieved so far. Don't want to be like those that assume too much!!! We'll see if after I expose you, you'll be laughing. I hope you have a good sense of humor cause I will be laughing. By the way, Sis. R. says hello...
Duuuuhhhhr, this will be EPIC!!!
SIS R?
is she helping you with this?
As to fame, you must think that you and I are alike. After I post a couple of links about you, I will disappear. People just have to know what kind of person you are that's all I care about.
I am praying for BR, I do believe he is a man of God.
The issue is just YOU. Your a farce & the only one enjoying their 15 min of fame is you.
Godisjust, why don't YOU post your real name since you expect other to do so? Your an ignoramus.
July 16, 2008 10:06 PM
I would Prefer in Person...
but w/e...
Yes Skotty, I'm sure you do...
YO. BENJI Gonzales...
skotty is dumb is related to me.
He said that He Is not going to give up any information about me...
but if you want...
spyonme is promising some stuff...
so w/e....
BTW... SOM...who is the sis R that you are refering too?
YOU KNOW I DO... I JUST TOLD YOU!
i hope its worth the wait like my Videos WERE...
otherwise your gonna Get alot of PEOPLE MAD... like Skotty is dumb DiD...
sKOTTY
BTW... why don't you want to do this in person?
are you scared for some reason?
So.. is it just me...
or are you REFUSING to answer any of my questions?
spyonyou
You're not credible and not worth it. I don't know you and don't want to know you either.
Wow, I'm glad Indio doesn't have ministers like the San Bernardino AA does.
Praise God for ministers or people like Snoopyd in our church. They are educated and speak with courteous even when they disagree.
Skottywillshowyou
Maybe because you gave his real name?
I see this 3 ring circus still hasen't changed in a few weeks. It's the same garbage over and over again. This blog has become a place of entertainment and a place to kill time. nothing more nothing less!!!
Hey Ruben Bernal ...
Whats up DOOD?
whats going on man???
Skotty,
I had been trying to figure out what your new picture was. I finally figured it out.
Swiss Cheese!
What a crack up!
God Bless You.
Let me ask you a question scotty, what is your purpose in all this?
I have noticed a spirit of multiple personality disorder on here.
Anyone else notice it?
YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE.
Please don't assume that we are all as dumb as you are. Its just utterly disrespectful. If noone agrees with you, it's for a reason. You accomplish nothing by making more anonymous profiles.
Get a LIFE and get JESUS.
And when did this blog become about skotty? is it because you are trying to distract the people from the TRUE issue at hand? is it because it is not to your benefit to discuss the MANIPULATION OF POWER? The ABUSE OF AUTHORITY? Or how how about the ILLEGAL ACTS OF RETALIATION? Have you ever heard of the "WHISTLEBLOWER ACT?" How about the TRUE INTENTIONS of the "Jesus Strategy"? Can you say MEGA CHURCHES? Trim the fat? Retain your revenue, liquidate excess assets, and streamline your liabilities? hmmm. GOOD ONE GB!
But what i really think is, you all are attacking the videos to create ruckus and distract people from the REAL issue at hand: The corruption, the deception, and evil intentions of these so called men of God.
Video, or no video, you cannot deny FACTS. These men decided THEIR opinion of someone's CAPACITY, SUITABILITY, and RIGHTS (CID) is more valid than GOD's opinion. 400 pastors voted and we're supposed to accept that they were ALL WRONG??? God only speaks to the GB??? is THAT why they are closing down all the churches and building MEGA churches?
it reminds me of when Hussein was ruling Iraq. Every 4 years, an election was held in Iraq. the only candidate: Saddam Hussein. Noone ran against him for fear of death. Noone voted against him for fear of death. So why bother have an election?
Has anyone here asked their pastor that? If the CID (which is a ludicrous excuse for a legal document) is to be followed as it has been, WHY BOTHER HAVE AN ELECTION?
Members of the Apostolic Assembly: WILL YOU ALLOW THE GB TO PUT YOUR VOICE ON MUTE?!
For crying out loud, even POPE BENEDICT was elected democratically!
You are WRONG general board.
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
And EVERYONE sees it.
eN4CER...ARENT YOU AA?
I THOUGHT AA WAS FORBIDDEN TO USE BLOGS...
maybe i wasnt well informed but thats the word right now...
so tell me Ruben Bernal...
why are you defying your BELOVED "Godly Boys"?
But what i really think is, you all are attacking the videos to create ruckus and distract people from the REAL issue at hand: The corruption, the deception, and evil intentions of these so called men of God.
Video, or no video, you cannot deny FACTS. These men decided THEIR opinion of someone's CAPACITY, SUITABILITY, and RIGHTS (CID) is more valid than GOD's opinion. 400 pastors voted and we're supposed to accept that they were ALL WRONG??? God only speaks to the GB??? is THAT why they are closing down all the churches and building MEGA churches?
PREACH IT BROTHER
....
PREACH IT!
DANG dude...
U GOT CAUGHT!
JUST LIKE THE "Godly Boys"!
OHHHHHH SNAAAAPPP!
It says alot when you have to LIE to argue with us.
WE HAVE NOT LIED.
I wonder what God thinks of you right now.
Ask him for forgiveness and get off this blog and take care of your kids strong believer. REPENT. and get off this blog and don't come back until that lying demon that you are possessed with has been defeated.
CORRE, IGLESIA, CORRE!!
LOL its kinda sad when you are waiting for dirt on yourself huh?
Especailly when i know its not true...
i just want to see what people come up with..
I'M STILL WAITING DUDE!
To all decent and reasonable bloggers:
Analysis and profiles of Revolutionaries 4 Injustice
Scotty:
He THINKS he’s a great hero and that he has a great following of people. But all his followers are a bunch of foul mouth supposedly Christians . His infamous video is full of lies and defamation. Just hear his demonic voice and the demonic mask he was using in his postings. I’m glad he listened to me and took it out. Even his followers consider him a SICK TWISTED FREAK.
CBG: This guy is a self professed Christ rejecter. He says he fights for justice but the biggest injustice in the world is to reject the Lord who died for you at the cross. I hope he repents to be saved. He thinks he’s a great debater and that no one can beat him, but the only thing no one can beat him at is at being profane (may be phantom). He always ends his postings against opponents with profanity.
Phantom: Understandably she has no intelligent things to post (she’s only 19) so in all her postings she blurts out insults. She says she has nothing to be ashamed of but rather she has no shame. She professes to be Christian but her actions deny her words. With that same mouth that she insults, she goes to church on Sunday to supposedly praise God. She chose the right name for herself “phantom”. Her usual vocabulary, Hells yea, DumbA, retard, idiot, stupid, snake, donkey, two headed chick. From the abundance of the heart speaks the mouth, (she learned to talk like this from her brother who says he hosts Christian radio station but talks like a heathen), she believes in astrology which is a pagan practice condemned by God (look at her profile).
Snoopy: He’s right about one thing, Scotty is a sick twisted freak. He says he’s 100% behind his pastor, although his pastor authored the pre CID. He asked if their goal was to divide the AA. But says he’s for the assembly. I think this guy is very confused.
Pestayo: This guy is a Roman Catholic admirer of R4Inustice who criticizes the AA but belongs to the most corrupt church in the world. He says he was deported to Mexico and all he does is spread gossip and lies even about the plaintiffs.
Henry: This guy manifest hatred of the worst kind against Pastor Pacheco, How can you hate another Christian and call yourself a Christian, Jesus even said to love your enemies, If E. Pacheco would have done something wrong why would Baldemar Rodriguez approve him to be in the General Board, why would he send him as a missionary to Chile, why would he establish him as a pastor in Corona. If in fact E. Pacheco is guilty of all accusations (which I don’t think) then what does that says about BR who closed his eyes to it.
Decent readers and bloggers: This is part of the R4Injustice who think they have power and can bring down the AA and the General Board. What a joke. They take themselves too serious. Who would want to be part of this group. Decent bloggers don’t be part of this rebellion. My purpose of being here is to expose their lies and fallacies. Pray for them so they can repent and focus on the mandate Christ has given, instead of
doing what Isaiah the prophet said :
“they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.”
Why Quote A Prophet When you can Quote Christ Himself...
"I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me"
-John 14:30
Skotty
STRONG BELIEVER IN GOD:
OH MY GOD! YOU ARE SUCH A
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!
You contradicted yourself BIG TIME RIGHT THERE!!!!
Let me start from the beginning!
1) On 6/28 @ 3:37 PM you mention Sis Diane Rodriguez... HOW DO YOU KNOW HER IF YOU LIVE UP NORTH???!!!
2) on 07/01 @ 10:54 AM you said you used to go to Elder Ramirez's church, 1st Pomona. I WAS RAISED IN THAT CHURCH! and i know of ANYBODY that moved to union city. NOBODY!!! and MY PARENTS were married the re and they ALSO DON"T KNOW OF ANYONE MOVING UP THERE!!! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
3) on 07/02 @ 1:43 PM you said you were there on 6/25 during the lynching of BR. LIES FROM HELL! Who was there that night that used to go to Pomona Church and knows Sis Diane Rodriguez and her fam, and who congregates in Union City???!!!! YOU GOT CAUGHT, LIAR!
4) YOU KNOW ME! i know because of the comment you made on 07/03 at 1:43 PM. You implied that you knew i wasn't raised in SB church nor my family.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT LIAR!
The bible that all liars are going to HELL.
and trust me. I think i know EXACTLY who you are, and you are making it more obvious every day with your lies.
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR!!!
Interesting, "Mr. Merendon." I have yet to ask my parents about you (who have been going to 1st Pomona even before the pastor) but I'll will HUMOR you.
Who is this infamous father of yours that you claim was excommunicated from the A.A. by BR? (Your comment on 7/3 that was MYSTERIOUSLY deleted VERY RECENTLY. Thinking things over huh? tsk, tsk, tsk.)
Why are you deleting some of your old comments? (since you have nothing to hide and all.)
How do you know me? (I know you do because I had NEVER mentioned that i work at BofA and yet you asked me what branch i worked at. All i said is that i work for a bank, never specified which one. That comment is mysteriously gone as well. Plus the comment about where i was raised.)
Strong Believer PLEASE be transparent.
Also, Mr Merendon, What were you doing at BR's lynching on 6/25? Since you CLAIM you were there? (The devil is a LIAR)
How come NOONE from San Bernardino knows of you or your presence that night?
LIES! LIES! LIES!
Here are the links to Bro Torres videos on YouTube:
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 1
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 2
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 3
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 4
I love the intro song!!
'Although the devil doesn't like it, the church continues'
This is not about Skotty. We are not interested in what Skotty is, did, does or does not do. We are just interested in exposing the wrongs committed by this disHGB!
THAT'S RIGHT! It's not about WHO filmed the video it is about the VIDEO ITSELF SHOWING THE AWFUL DEEDS OF THE gb!
Thanks Skotty for putting yourself on the line of fire and catching all this grief from fools who don't know any better and think like the gb. Good for you for showing the rest of us what the so-called "men of God" are doing.
GO SKOTTY!
So im doing some searching online... and apparently...
correct me if i am wrong but...
Pacheco let this chick Bernice Molina
TAKE THE FALL ...
Can n e body VERIFY this?
Skotty
Scotty, you and your rebellion is getting old and i'm getting tired.
being that the 4 plaintiffs have been removed, (and no more will be removed, as you claimed that 20 more would be).
are we done here?
or are you going to go to every major AA service with your mask, camera, and signs?
dude, get a life already.
name one thing that you have accomplished? and don't give me that "opened the pastors eyes stuff" i don't think that they needed you for that.
just remember you have:
no power
no authority
no following
no support
no tangible victories
no nothing
your 15 minutes of fame are is now down to 5 minutes.
factsonly1 said...
"To all decent and reasonable bloggers:
Analysis and profiles of Revolutionaries 4 Injustice
Scotty:
He THINKS he’s a great hero and that he has a great following of people. But all his followers are a bunch of foul mouth supposedly Christians . His infamous video is full of lies and defamation. Just hear his demonic voice and the demonic mask he was using in his postings. I’m glad he listened to me and took it out. Even his followers consider him a SICK TWISTED FREAK."
As Much As I am aginst it...
I FEEL that i must respond...
TO put u in your place...
ahhhh......
First off...
"He THINKS he’s a great hero and that he has a great following of people"
I Do not Believe I have ever Referred to myself as a hero...There you Go STRETCHING THE truth as we all have witnessed before....As For A Following...
it is not MY following ... R4J is A Group... And I also Do not Believe That I aM Their "Self Appointed Leader" As The "Godly Boys" ARE. Oh 1 more thing I dont THINK R4J IS GREAT IN NUMBERS...
I KNOW IT IS
"But all his followers are a bunch of foul mouth supposedly Christians ."
And The Followers Of The "Godly Boys" Such as Yourself? Because you have been VERY APOSTOLIC/CHRISTIan like... right?
You are just upset Because PEOPLE keep BASHING YOU... AND MOSTLY ONLY YOU! get over it dude! Live And Let Die!
" His infamous video is full of lies and defamation."
What VIDEO. are you watching?
I have 3 VIDEOS Which ShOW The TRUE Spirit of the "Godly Boys"!
ok so
video 1... How Nice That The Members Of The gb Went Outside to try to calm down the PROTESTORS? right??? NO... THEY COULDNT EVEN GO OUTSIDE TO TRY TO TALK TO THEIR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST!!! INSTEAD THEY SENT OUT THEIR SPIES FROM FOT!!! Not 1 gb MEMBER was Spotted Outside The HOTEL... WHICH WAS NEAR their HQ...
WHY HAVE A MEETING OF THAT IMPORTANCE IN A HOTEL? WHY SPEND THE AA'S MONEY ON SUCH MEANINGLESS EXPENSES?? Ok... so my videos Defame people? Dude The "Godly Boys" Defamed themselves by not Speaking up... and Lugo ... OMG dont even get me started with him and his "VICTORY" Stance! BUT i defamed them? why? because i got their TRUE Spirit on film? Because i showed you that they didnt even try to stop What was going on around them? because NONE OF THEM ACKNOLEGED ME UNTIL I SAID "Praise the Lord"?
"Just hear his demonic voice and the demonic mask he was using in his postings."
Its Only Demonic Because You Choose To Hear EVIL...You Have Nothing To fear though... i mean i believe it is best said
“Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me” (Psalm 23:4).
Is God Not With You? If God Is With You What Is There To Fear? Once Again You Exaggerate WAY TOO MUCH...Did The Voice Not Set The Tone For The Videos? NOW THEY KNOW ... RIGHT? NOW THEY KNOW THAT I MEAN BUSINESS!
"...the demonic mask he was using in his postings. I’m glad he listened to me and took it out."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
wow.. you really got me laughing there... see ^^^ ... WOW yeah i listened to you? right... because everyone on this blog has listened to you? or am i the FIRST?
hahaha well i chaged it because i thought a piece of swiss cheese would be ALOT FUNNIER... lol but guess you didnt get the memo...
"Even his followers consider him a SICK TWISTED FREAK."
Once Again! YOu stretch the TRUTH! LOL
oK SO you have never heard of GLEN BECK??
haha bUT w.e.
BTW R4J HAS USED YOUR PHILIOSOPHY FROM THE FIRST TIME YOU EMERGED... U DONT REMEMBER?? OK WELL YOU STATED
" factsonly1 said...
Factsonly is here,
If you post lies, you will be challenged. I have to go to sleep have a good night.
July 10, 2008 10:54 PM
AND OF COURSE FROM DAY 1 YOU HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED!
SKOTTY
"ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!"
"being that the 4 plaintiffs have been removed, (and no more will be removed, as you claimed that 20 more would be)."
I NEVER CLAIMED that... it was on this blog...
but as for things that i have accoplished...
Instead of 20 being removed only 4 were after the "Godly Boy" Train Ran out of STEAM!
SKOTTY
You guys are still at it ?
Wow !
I definitely think The GB were wrong and I am almost sure that what they did was for self gain.
However there are more pressing issues such as reaching your community for Christ and serving at the local level.
And the way the R4J speak with words of anger and hate are not a good representation of what children of God should speak like.
If you want people to join your cause use more tact and wisom when you type.
Interesting, "Mr. Merendon." I have yet to ask my parents about you (who have been going to 1st Pomona even before the pastor) but I'll will HUMOR you.
Who is this infamous father of yours that you claim was excommunicated from the A.A. by BR? (Your comment on 7/3 that was MYSTERIOUSLY deleted VERY RECENTLY. Thinking things over huh? tsk, tsk, tsk.)
Why are you deleting some of your old comments? (since you have nothing to hide and all.)
How do you know me? (I know you do because I had NEVER mentioned that i work at BofA and yet you asked me what branch i worked at. All i said is that i work for a bank, never specified which one. That comment is mysteriously gone as well. Plus the comment about where i was raised.)
Strong Believer PLEASE be transparent.
Also, Mr Merendon, What were you doing at BR's lynching on 6/25? Since you CLAIM you were there? (The devil is a LIAR)
How come NOONE from San Bernardino knows of you or your presence that night?
LIES! LIES! LIES!
Enrique...
I Dont KNow where you heard the words of ANGER AND HATE from R4J...
I DO HEar words OF ANGER AND HATE from People That Are Against R4J AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE... These People Against R4J Refuse to Move Past The Videos, They Dont want to Focus on What The gb did or even what is doing..
thank you
Skotty
MB,
Well said. This is not about skotty but about the corruption and deception we have amongst our "godly leaders."
http://apostolicrestoration.blogspsot.com
Swiss Cheese!
"r4j id", if you think Skotty has accomplished nothing, why are you wasting so much time trying to discredit him????? And if the others on the list don't get axed, we can all thank Skotty for stopping these injustices.
A Palma Family Secret. This is information the Palma's don't want you to know. Has anyone ever asked Henry who he's related to? He has family in Tijuana, Arizona, Mexicali. What about the skeleton's in his family?
--READ--
Palma began his life of crime as a car thief eventually working as a gunman for Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo under the umbrella of the Guadalajara Cartel. Palma rose the ranks, and along with Eduardo "El Lobito" Retamoza and Gallardo, were leaders of the cartel. Following the loss of a large cocaine shipment, which was blamed on Retamoza and Palma, El Lobito was killed and Palma was spared. Following Retamoza's death, Palma contacted and created an alliance with Joquin "El Chapo" Guzman of the rival Sinaloa Cartel.[2]
Guero Palma splintered from the group which was handed down to Gallardo's nephews in Tijuana, who later formed the Tijuana Cartel (Arellano Felix Organization).[3] Palma, along with a Venezuelan trafficker named Rafael Enrique Clavel, one time boyfriend of his daughter Minerva Palma, began operating their own cartel. In 1978 Palma was arrested in Arizona on drug trafficking and sentenced to 8 years in a U.S. prison. Upon his release, Palma discovered his wife, Guadalupe Leija Serrano, had run off with Clavel and taken their two kids. Clavel forced Guadalupe to withdraw 7 million from a bank account and later decapitated her, shipping her head back to Palma. The two children, Jesus & Nataly were taken to Venezuela and dropped off of a bridge. Clavel soon after went to work for Gallardo in the Tijuana Cartel. In retaliation, Palma executed Gallardo's lawyer and Clavel's three children.[4][5]
Palma returned to trafficking within the Sinaloa Cartel, sharing leadership with Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.
In 1995 Palma was arrested after a 12 seat Lear jet he was flying on to attend a wedding party crashed. Palma was traveling from Ciudad Obregón, Sonora to Guadalajara, Jalisco for a wedding ceremony when the plane was diverted and unable to locate a new landing strip in time. Palma survived the crash and was later arrested by Mexican military officers, originally evading capture by traveling in full uniform as a Federal Judicial Police officer complete with identification and armed caravan of FJP personnel.[6]
[edit] Corruption
Palma has managed to penetrate the depths of the Mexican Federal Judicial Police (FJP), evading detection by posing as one in complete uniform with identification and traveling in a heavily armed caravan of FJP officers. It was later discovered he was able to evade capture by staying at the home of the local police commander.[6]
In addition to the corruption present within the police force, it has been documented to have spread to the judicial system. Due to bribery of judges the Sinaloa Cartel have evaded prosecution repeatedly. In 2004, 18 men were arrested in possession of 28 machine guns, 2 hand guns, 223 cartridges, 10k bullets, 12 grenade launchers, 18 hand grenades, smoke grenades and bullet proof vests. The men were set free by Judge Jose Luis Gomez Martinez who stated there was no evidence they were part of any criminal organization.[7]
Archivaldo Ivan Guzman Salazar, son of Joaquín Guzmán, was set free following accusations of money laundering, and murdering a Canadian tourist. Olga Patricia Gastelum Escobar was arrested for transporting money belonging to the Sinaloa Cartel, she was arrested with 7 million in cash and 500 thousand in jewelry. In April 2005 the judge dropped the charges and Olga free without notifying the prosecutors office for 24 hours, against article 102 of the Criminal Procedural Code.[7]
[edit] Los Negros (Beltrán Group)
Edgar "La Barbie" Valdez Villarreal, lieutenant to Palma, in reaction to the growing threat of Los Zetas, enforcers for the Gulf Cartel, formed Los Negros to counter the growing Zeta influence. Los Negros have been involved in warring with Los Zetas in the Nuevo Laredo region.[8] The Nuevo Laredo region is crucial to drug traffickers due to the amount of commerce which passes through the region into the United States, 40% of Mexican exports totaling 9,000 trucks daily. Authorities believe Valdez has been able to recruit dissatisfied members of Los Zetas into Los Negros.[9]
I have been reading this blog
here and there, all I seem to find
is that the injustice of the
people bashing, is just about as
worse as the general board bashing
the pastors.
the general board has accomplished
one thing, they have brainwashed
their followers with the videos.
it is obvious that the general
board is focusing on the videos
and using it as a tool to get
their people to believe that what
they did was right. don't be weak
minded, we all have a mind of our
own. the general board should take
advice from this guy skotty and
make a truthful documentary of
their own. i believe they haven't
because well frankly, they do not
have the ability nor capacity.
why focus on the paint, when the
picture is in full view?
as many others have said, thank
you skotty for your work and
stopping the general board in
their tracks. you have made
difference.
Sam... That "INFO" IS RELEVENT... HOW EXACTLY?
Let's all pause for a moment and praise God because he pulled Palma out of the miry clay! Thank you, Sam, for that testimony! Now back to the issue at hand, the dgb . . .
AA.ORG OFFLINE AGAIN!
LOL
probably another HOTLINE add on... lOL
OR PRESS release!
Re: AA.org offline
It must be true that some pastores have stopped sending in the GREEN...
Hey Sam,
And did you tell everybody that you're gay. That the rumor in FTC is that you have a boyfriend! Why don't you release that information? We've had this conversation before remember!
Dumb ..ss!
i praise the messiah with you mb!
that is a wonderful testimony and
proves that in the end, the
messiah will prevail.
I was reading SAM’s biography at Fountain of Truth and was wondering why it doesn’t say anything about selling fruits & vegetables. Or giving up a ‘Medical’ career to become a pastor. (I think he’s proven there’s more $$ in AA administration than being a Dr.)
Pastor Sam Valverde has been the Senior Pastor of Fountain of Truth for over 22 years. Together with his wife Rachel (A fine example of a 'before' picture) and their sons Samuel Jr. (Now married to Celeste - No, he didn't HAVE to get married to her. If that were the case he would have been married years before) and Timothy (Take a number girls/boys?) and their daughter Rachel Anne (poster child for Birth control), they have overseen the growth of FTC (Fleece The Church) from 84 members in 1984 to a membership total of 1,200 as of January 2008. During this time, he has developed and launched over 25 programs that reach out to the needs of families (proselytizing from every church imaginable). These ministries range from helping the elderly, teaching children, developing marriage relationships and also reaching out the community.
Over the years, Pastor Valverde has served in many areas of Christian ministry including Founder and Principal of the San Ysidro Apostolic Church Academy, Teacher at Texas Bible Seminary, and writer for the Apostolic Expositor (that no one uses), the official Sunday School study guide for the Apostolic Assembly. He also has a BA (Bad Attitude) in Theology from Latin American Theological Seminary in La Puente, CA (For $50 more he could have had his Masters). In 1990, (without ever serving as an elected Bishop) he was elected to serve on the Board of Directors of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Inc. as the Secretary of Christian Education. Eight years later, (still without fulfilling the requirements) he was elected as the General Secretary. He is currently the Vice President of the Apostolic Assembly and is the chairman of several commissions which include the revision of the constitution (No wonder it's full of holes), the restoration process (which only exists for his children), and most recently a roadmap for the future (Railroading the organization to destruction). He has also traveled abroad over 40 times (First Class at the AA's expense) and preached, given seminars and workshops in over 12 countries including Italy, El Salvador, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Belize and many more. He has also written (plagiarized) doctrinal bible studies which include: Trees of Righteousness and My Dove is But One and many more bible study lessons. He currently resides in Alta Loma, California.
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
so getting back to the root of this blog...does anyone know anything about the other 3 plaintiff's?
just curious as to how they are doing.
easy there fedupwithdeceipt,
I'd like to see a full page ad on your accomplishments, so I can run them through the mud.
I'd be very careful if I were you.
so what if people from other churches have joined with his, don't get jealous because 1/2 your church left yours.
also, and to be saying those thing about the kids, you should be ashamed about yourself. they did nothing to deserve your horrible comments.
Yes again, you show everyone why your dumb treehouse club has no validity.
will you guys stop at nothing??
honesly, i'd be afraid to see eye-2-eye with you, because the second that'd turn my back on you, you'd run my name through the dirt.
r4jisdumb - i agree with you about
the kids. as i said i have been
following this blog for awhile.
where were you when your people
bashed the kids of former leaders?
i believe they are known as
anointed by christ(some call them
the rodriguez sisters). which was
even more slanderous then what we
read about the valverdes. you
didn't tell your fellow brethren
to hold their tongue then. so you
too tell your friends to
becareful. it's a sad sad world we
live in today.
To: fedupwiethdeceipt
Do you know how long was Malvalverde was in Texas B. Seminary??
I was told that he wasn't t/long because he did not (HE HIT THE ROAD) like the administration???
( WILLIE MENDOZA)
jew or gentile,
I DO NOT SUPPORT R4J.
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE EVIL THINGS THAT THEY CONSTANTLY SAY, IE: that d.e.v.i.l. acronym.
I do not support anyone who uses vulgarity in reference to God Anointed.
I do believe that the wrong doings by the GB will not go unpunished by God, not man.
R4J is dumb said...
easy there fedupwithdeceipt,
so what if people from other churches have joined with his, don't get jealous because 1/2 your church left yours.
Just pointing out that it's not truly church growth. It's proselytizing.
also, and to be saying those thing about the kids, you should be ashamed about yourself. they did nothing to deserve your horrible comments.
A 'player' is a 'player' is a 'player'. Either you're one of them or you don't know them very well
you'd run my name through the dirt.
Don't think that'd be necessary, you've done quite well for yourself.
LL said...
Do you know how long was Malvalverde was in Texas B. Seminary??
I don't know.
Skotty,
Okay, normally, I just ignore any messages to and from factsonly(sometimes), but this time, your post was so long I had to read it.
YOU SHREDDED HIM DUDE!
WITH NOTHING BUT THE FACTS and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!
God Bless You!
Ha ha ha ha LOL LOL LOL LOL – This is getting better!
Factsonly1 said, “To all decent and reasonable bloggers (I guess that excludes you and you peeps): Analysis and profiles of Revolutionaries 4 Injustice"
"Scotty: He THINKS he’s a great hero and that he has a great following of people. But all his followers are a bunch of foul mouth supposedly Christians. His infamous video is full of lies and defamation…”
If this is true why do you try so hard to defame HIM? The one that is full of lies and defamation, AND BLIND IS YOU!
Now to my favorite one,
“CBG: This guy is a self professed Christ rejecter. He says he fights for justice but the biggest injustice in the world is to reject the Lord who died for you at the cross. I hope he repents to be saved.”
Provably NOT thanks to you. Oh and I won’t elavorate because you’re just to stupid and ignorant to understand!
"He thinks he’s a great debater and that no one can beat him…” I NEVER said that, however, thanks for the props and recognizing it, because idiots like you could never hold up a verse of Scripture by the way YOU talk and think! Here are a few words I suggest you look up, learn their meaning, and think about; INTEGRITY, VIRTUE, MORAL SOUNDNESS, HONESTY, RIGHTEOUSNESS, CHARACTER.
See, though YOU claim to be a Christian the people you follow and defend LACK all of the above. Something you CHOSE to ignore! The only problem is that Scripture has a lot to say about those character traits (just read the book of Daniel – It is said that he had an EXCELLENT SPIRIT)!
“…but the only thing no one can beat him at is at being profane (may be phantom). He always ends his postings against opponents with profanity.” Since when is the words dumb ass profane? It might not be politically correct, or appropriate in true Christian circles, but with you (if the shoe fits – why not wear it) dumb ..ss!
“Phantom: Understandably she has no intelligent things to post (she’s only 19) so in all her postings she blurts out insults…”
Yet your followers lower themselves, if not worse when they talk to her. At least she got the guts to tell us who she is. What about you?
“…Her usual vocabulary, Hells yea, DumbA, retard, idiot, stupid, snake, donkey, two headed chick. From the abundance of the heart speaks the mouth…”
Didn’t your beloved president himself said “We’re going to kick some ass!” This is from the man of God who heads the AA!!!
“Snoopy: He’s right about one thing, Scotty is a sick twisted freak. He says he’s 100% behind his pastor, although his pastor authored the pre CID. He asked if their goal was to divide the AA. But says he’s for the assembly. I think this guy is very confused.”
You can add him to your group! He is just as confused as you dude!
“Pestayo: This guy is a Roman Catholic admirer of R4Inustice who criticizes the AA but belongs to the most corrupt church in the world. He says he was deported to Mexico and all he does is spread gossip and lies even about the plaintiffs.”
If anybody (like yourself) takes this guy seriously, then OMG!!!! You truly are a DUMB ASS!!!!!!!!
“Henry: This guy manifest hatred of the worst kind against Pastor Pacheco..."
Man ANYBODY, WHO IS ANYBODY IN THE AA KNOWS HOW CRUCKED, DISHONEST PACHECO IS! GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND AND OPEN YOUR EYES! Go the State of AZ, Maricopa county criminal records and I guarantee you will find something on Pacheco there. I believe the indictments came either in 1981 or 1982!
"...How can you hate another Christian and call yourself a Christian, Jesus even said to love your enemies…”
Aren’t you the one that said the plaintiff deserved to be taken out? What about the people in their congregations? Where is your compassion and love factsonly1!
You close by saying, “Decent readers and bloggers: This is part of the R4Injustice who think they have power and can bring down the AA and the General Board. What a joke. They take themselves too serious. Who would want to be part of this group.”
The question is “Who would want to be a part of the AA?” Blind fools like you!
“Decent bloggers don’t be part of this rebellion. My purpose of being here is to expose their lies and fallacies.”
The only purpose you have accomplished is to prove the mentality of the GB of the AA. YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE PEOPLE BEING PRODUCED BY THIS ORGANIZATION! In other words, You are an example of what apostolic have expect in the future!
Now as far as rejecting Christ – What an ignorant foolish thing to say! I don’t reject Christ, I reject the hypocrites like you who proclaim to have Christ, yet turn a blind eye to the lack of INTEGRITY, VIRTUE, MORAL SOUNDNESS, HONESTY, RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND CHARACTER, your leader manifest. Some day I WILL SURRENDER to Christ, but surely NOT in a place or church where people like you congregate! Maybe you can ask your Pastor to teach you how to approach, talk to, and witness to the unsaved. Because hypocrites like you have VERY LITTLE to offer the lost like me!
Finally, I close with these word to factsonly1 – DUMB ASS!!!
AA.ORG is still down...
OUCH! CBG GREAT POST! lol
TO FACTSONLY1:
BTW R4J HAS USED YOUR PHILOSOPHY FROM THE FIRST TIME YOU EMERGED... U DONT REMEMBER?? OK WELL YOU STATED
" factsonly1 said...
Factsonly is here,
If you post lies, you will be challenged. I have to go to sleep have a good night.
July 10, 2008 10:54 PM
AND OF COURSE SINCE DAY 1 YOU HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED! ... NON-STOP!
SKOTTY
"ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!"
HAHAHAHA THATS SOO TRUE DUDE!!!
What Ever Happened TO spyonyou???
Lol i waited all day for him to come over!
you know this blog has turned into nothing short of a "true hollywood story of the AA" narrated by a people who either have no shame, or no identity (funny how that works).
people who have no life and live to bring down others.
I am herby leaving this blog once and for all, and i suggest that all others who care about what matters most is to get pluged into your local church.
so long everyone,
Gabriel M.
HAHAHA ...
later GABRIEL MUNOS!
BTW, my sources in Arizona veryfied this;
Ruben Bernal Sr is pastor of Cashion, Az husband to Lydia Bernal Lydia is Sam Valverde's sister.
Ruben Bernal Jr. is their son. A minister in the church. Both are AA GB yes men all the way. I am told both Bernal's will do anything brother-in-law/tio will say.
So any info reqquested from the Bernal's BEWARE it will go straight to Valverde!
iTS kinda Funny That He said
"narrated by a people who either have no shame, or no identity (funny how that works)."
When He Himself Emailed Skotty Is Dumb asking for the dirt and pictures of ME... lol
funny how hE CHOSE to identify himself after leaving... LOL
-skotty
Ruben Bernal Is The EN4CER LOL
To: all THE TEJANOS
Can anyone veryfy my ? about Malvalverde??? ( 80's)
I'm sorry to inform you, but the Latin American Bible Institute where Bishop Valverde claims to have earned a BA Degree, does not offer a BA Degree.
After confirming with an academic adminstrator from LABI, it has not offered a BA Degree since 1985.
BA Degrees were offered from 1977 to 1985.
In 1985, Bishop Valverde was still in Southern District. After 1985, LABI offered only a "Diploma".
It would appear that our beloved and respected man of God is a liar.
Skotty,
No dice. I did NOT post as "R4J is dumb". He has used my name to throw you off.
Gabriel Munoz
PDC!
I come to everyone to ask that we stop bashing on the family members of the General Board or the Plantiffs
Im not related to either but I think if we love God we will not try to bring someone down through our words.
Remember we as Christians are here to build up and not tear down. And if they have done something wrong to you remember that we must overcome evil with God Romans 12
God Bless
PDC I have this scripture memorized for occasions like this. Have you ever read Ezekial 25:17?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DumE3vs82bk&feature=related
sAm
Lossing
Truth
Awesome
Lots of
Ojo
Malverde
Andale!!!!!!!!!!!
Enrique said
And the way the R4J speak with words of anger and hate are not a good representation of what children of God should speak like.
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Honestly I really don't think its hate or anger in this case, because in order to hate someone you really need to care about them and thats not the case here!!!!!!!
Its just that when and idiot or moron makes himself/HERSELF apparent then its easy to call out!!!!!!
I LOVE SWISS CHEESE!!!!!!!!
r4jisdumb said
I am herby leaving this blog once and for all, and i suggest that all others who care about what matters most is to get pluged into your local church.
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AW CAN'T TAKE THE BURN!!!!!!!!!!
Royal said...
PDC!
. . . stop bashing on the family members of the General Board . . .
Remember we as Christians are here to build up and not tear down.
Amen Sister!
Let's continue to build up big Sam's little kingdom. And little Sammy's little business.
Let's build up those mega-churches by enticing people to leave their humble churches.
Let's build our tape ministry by preaching other people's messages.
Let's build up by removing pastors that have toiled and allowed God to grow their local church through baptisms.
Let's build our mega-buildings by taking hard earned money from other churches
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
Trees of Self Righteousness.
I'm getting some buttons made with Lugo's famous picture(Giving the church the Bird) on them.
Anyone want's one, send me an email.
Hows this?
Excommunicate
Lugo Pic
This!!
How about 'Smile for the Birdie'
To all rev. 4 injustice,
Thanks to all you who responded I know it's irresistible to engage me. And by doing so you validated all my points about you.
I'm fulfilling my goal here. I know you guys (and teenage girl)are beyond reach of seen your follies. But all decent people in this blog will be able to see who you really are, by your expressions, hatred, and profane language. They will be able to determine the spirit that is you. And for sure it's not the spirit of God.
Any new person who is a real Christian and reads your posts will make a good conclusion about.
Once again thanks for validating my analysis.
To all decent and reasonable bloggers:
Analysis and profile of Revolutionaries 4 Injustice
Scotty:
He THINKS he’s a great hero and that he has a great following of people. But all his followers are a bunch of foul mouth supposedly Christians . His infamous video is full of lies and defamation. Just hear his demonic voice and the demonic mask he was using in his postings. I’m glad he listened to me and took it out. Even his followers consider him a SICK TWISTED FREAK.
CBG: This guy is a self professed Christ rejecter. He says he fights for justice but the biggest injustice in the world is to reject the Lord who died for you at the cross. I hope he repents to be saved. He thinks he’s a great debater and that no one can beat him, but the only thing no one can beat him at is at being profane (may be phantom). He always ends his postings against opponents with profanity.
Phantom: Understandably she has no intelligent things to post (she’s only 19) so in all her postings she blurts out insults. She says she has nothing to be ashamed of but rather she has no shame. She professes to be Christian but her actions deny her words. With that same mouth that she insults, she goes to church on Sunday to supposedly praise God. She chose the right name for herself “phantom”. Her usual vocabulary, Hells yea, DumbA, retard, idiot, stupid, snake, donkey, two headed chick. From the abundance of the heart speaks the mouth, (she learned to talk like this from her brother who says he hosts Christian radio station but talks like a heathen), she believes in astrology which is a pagan practice condemned by God (look at her profile).
Snoopy: He’s right about one thing, Scotty is a sick twisted freak. He says he’s 100% behind his pastor, although his pastor authored the pre CID. He asked if their goal was to divide the AA. But says he’s for the assembly. I think this guy is very confused.
Pestayo: This guy is a Roman Catholic admirer of R4Inustice who criticizes the AA but belongs to the most corrupt church in the world. He says he was deported to Mexico and all he does is spread gossip and lies even about the plaintiffs.
Henry: This guy manifest hatred of the worst kind against Pastor Pacheco, How can you hate another Christian and call yourself a Christian, Jesus even said to love your enemies, If E. Pacheco would have done something wrong why would Baldemar Rodriguez approve him to be in the General Board, why would he send him as a missionary to Chile, why would he establish him as a pastor in Corona. If in fact E. Pacheco is guilty of all accusations (which I don’t think) then what does that says about BR who closed his eyes to it.
Decent readers and bloggers: This is part of the R4Injustice who think they have power and can bring down the AA and the General Board. What a joke. They take themselves too serious. Who would want to be part of this group. Decent bloggers don’t be part of this rebellion. My purpose of being here is to expose their lies and fallacies. Pray for them so they can repent and focus on the mandate Christ has given, instead of
doing what Isaiah the prophet said :
“they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.”
Itsnotovertilitsover said...
Here are the links to Bro Torres videos on YouTube:
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 1
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 2
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 3
Abel Torres Documentary - Part 4
I love the intro song!!
'Although the devil doesn't like it, the church continues'
July 17, 2008 8:11 AM
I would like to extend a word of accomplishment to the Honorable Bro. Valentine Torres. He made a great impact on the people in this part of Texas. I would like to add a kind gesture and word about him. "I was entering the mall to shop, when I saw and crossed paths with Bro.Valentine. He looked like a young boy, an ice cream cone in one hand and the other in his pocket,walking as though he had the entire world in front of him. As he licked his ice cream cone, he asked how everything was going and invited me to church to service as he said their were going to be baptisms that sunday coming up. I said thanks for the invitation and fellowship,he then said God Bless you and see you Sunday."
He really enjoyed ice cream that day!!
God Bless Bro. Valentine Torres
Ha ha ha ha LOL LOL LOL LOL – This is getting better!
Factsonly1 said, “To all decent and reasonable bloggers (I guess that excludes you and you peeps): Analysis and profiles of Revolutionaries 4 Injustice"
"Scotty: He THINKS he’s a great hero and that he has a great following of people. But all his followers are a bunch of foul mouth supposedly Christians. His infamous video is full of lies and defamation…”
If this is true why do you try so hard to defame HIM? The one that is full of lies and defamation, AND BLIND IS YOU!
Now to my favorite one,
“CBG: This guy is a self professed Christ rejecter. He says he fights for justice but the biggest injustice in the world is to reject the Lord who died for you at the cross. I hope he repents to be saved.”
Provably NOT thanks to you. Oh and I won’t elavorate because you’re just to stupid and ignorant to understand!
"He thinks he’s a great debater and that no one can beat him…” I NEVER said that, however, thanks for the props and recognizing it, because idiots like you could never hold up a verse of Scripture by the way YOU talk and think! Here are a few words I suggest you look up, learn their meaning, and think about; INTEGRITY, VIRTUE, MORAL SOUNDNESS, HONESTY, RIGHTEOUSNESS, CHARACTER.
See, though YOU claim to be a Christian the people you follow and defend LACK all of the above. Something you CHOSE to ignore! The only problem is that Scripture has a lot to say about those character traits (just read the book of Daniel – It is said that he had an EXCELLENT SPIRIT)!
“…but the only thing no one can beat him at is at being profane (may be phantom). He always ends his postings against opponents with profanity.” Since when is the words dumb ass profane? It might not be politically correct, or appropriate in true Christian circles, but with you (if the shoe fits – why not wear it) dumb ..ss!
“Phantom: Understandably she has no intelligent things to post (she’s only 19) so in all her postings she blurts out insults…”
Yet your followers lower themselves, if not worse when they talk to her. At least she got the guts to tell us who she is. What about you?
“…Her usual vocabulary, Hells yea, DumbA, retard, idiot, stupid, snake, donkey, two headed chick. From the abundance of the heart speaks the mouth…”
Didn’t your beloved president himself said “We’re going to kick some ass!” This is from the man of God who heads the AA!!!
“Snoopy: He’s right about one thing, Scotty is a sick twisted freak. He says he’s 100% behind his pastor, although his pastor authored the pre CID. He asked if their goal was to divide the AA. But says he’s for the assembly. I think this guy is very confused.”
You can add him to your group! He is just as confused as you dude!
“Pestayo: This guy is a Roman Catholic admirer of R4Inustice who criticizes the AA but belongs to the most corrupt church in the world. He says he was deported to Mexico and all he does is spread gossip and lies even about the plaintiffs.”
If anybody (like yourself) takes this guy seriously, then OMG!!!! You truly are a DUMB ASS!!!!!!!!
“Henry: This guy manifest hatred of the worst kind against Pastor Pacheco..."
Man ANYBODY, WHO IS ANYBODY IN THE AA KNOWS HOW CRUCKED, DISHONEST PACHECO IS! GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND AND OPEN YOUR EYES! Go the State of AZ, Maricopa county criminal records and I guarantee you will find something on Pacheco there. I believe the indictments came either in 1981 or 1982!
"...How can you hate another Christian and call yourself a Christian, Jesus even said to love your enemies…”
Aren’t you the one that said the plaintiff deserved to be taken out? What about the people in their congregations? Where is your compassion and love factsonly1!
You close by saying, “Decent readers and bloggers: This is part of the R4Injustice who think they have power and can bring down the AA and the General Board. What a joke. They take themselves too serious. Who would want to be part of this group.”
The question is “Who would want to be a part of the AA?” Blind fools like you!
“Decent bloggers don’t be part of this rebellion. My purpose of being here is to expose their lies and fallacies.”
The only purpose you have accomplished is to prove the mentality of the GB of the AA. YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE PEOPLE BEING PRODUCED BY THIS ORGANIZATION! In other words, You are an example of what apostolic have expect in the future!
Now as far as rejecting Christ – What an ignorant foolish thing to say! I don’t reject Christ, I reject the hypocrites like you who proclaim to have Christ, yet turn a blind eye to the lack of INTEGRITY, VIRTUE, MORAL SOUNDNESS, HONESTY, RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND CHARACTER, your leader manifest. Some day I WILL SURRENDER to Christ, but surely NOT in a place or church where people like you congregate! Maybe you can ask your Pastor to teach you how to approach, talk to, and witness to the unsaved. Because hypocrites like you have VERY LITTLE to offer the lost like me!
Finally, I close with these word to factsonly1 – DUMB ASS!!!
Alright,
I've been trying to keep up with all the coments on this blog, and to be honest i'm dissapionted in all parties.
It's unfortunate of the recent events that have happened witht the AA, however, given their long history of power hungry behavior It was to be Expected.
I up until last year was an ordained minister in the AA. We chose to step out, not because we were kick out or because we could not be obedient, but because the AA in our opinion Impotant to perform the tasks that need to be performed in order to minister to a lost and dying world.
The AA and it's leadership has lost it's first love. The AA is now a modern day pharasie's club. No wonder that church after church is leaving to form indipendant churches. Now we see good Bro's like B.R. who find themselves on the out(even though he was criticle of Godly men who are independant). Now he find himself the object of his own critique. Always remember that the word says that you will be measures by the rod you use to measure others.
It is evedent that God is calling Men and Women to step out of their comfort zone and It is a very sad fact that many of you are fighting to get back in the comfort zone. Understand that the steps of righteous men are ordered by God and He delights in their Footsteps.
God has called many of his children to enter into a new work, yet they are afraid to step out and do something great. Instead here you are on the outside trying to fight your way in! As a man of God I advise you who fear the Lord to Go in Peace and Allow God to channel all of this energy you have been using to bash each other to further Christ Kingdom. Their are many new organizations rising such as Apostolic Global Alliance, which are not dictatorships, but fellowships of independant churches who would like to further not their own cause, but that of the cause that we have surey been call for.
God Bless
Pesta-Yo!
Orale Compas! Donde te escondes?Por alli se oye el rumor que eres un impostor de primera clase!
Quitate la mascara y ya deja de disfrazarte Guey! Todavia falta mucho tiempo para el 'Dia del Dizfraz"!
Eres un impostor, si o no guey? Ya dejate de la falsedad y sal de to closet!
Ya se te vencio la "9", asi es que vale mas que empiezes a caminar desde ahorita para que llegues a Arizona antes del invierno.
Mucho cuidado con el desierto porque ahorita esta el calor, color hormiga.
Los Catolicos son buena gente solamenete cuando estan dormidos! Calmado, calmado guey! Nomas estoy bromiando.
Hasta la proxima, como dice la Chimoltrufia: "Como digo una cosa, digo la otra ...banate por favor y dejate de contaminar el ambiente!
Viva el "Chorizo"! Vivan las chivas! Viva el PAN-adero! Pontelas para que te las sacatelas!
Rod King
the apostolic global alliance also fellowships men who are in false doctrine example Abraham Teklemarian who believes in the doctrine of divine flesh.
We can not fellowship with people who have false doctrine, that is a danger to the church. I do think that we need to get it together and amend the wrong but going out and joining organizations that accepts Jezabelle who calls herself the prophet s is not the answer either.
I don't know Who This Abraham T Is. The Apostiloc Global Alliance is a group of Independant Jesus name Churches that come together in support and purpose to further the Kingdom. My experience withthe bretheran is that they have a sincere heart that wants to further. One again you condem all around you. no wonder you find yourself glued to this site!
Goodnight everyone......
phantom said...
the apostolic global alliance also fellowships men who are in false doctrine example Abraham Teklemarian who believes in the doctrine of divine flesh.
Do you actually know what Teklemarian believes? One God. His name is Jesus. Baptism in Jesus name. Holy Ghost baptism - speaking in tongues.
The nutshell difference is he believes Mary was a surrogate and God placed the baby in Mary's womb.
It's an interesting thought and they have lots of scripture to back it up.
I can't say I agree with them,but it is a possibility.
Your mistaken the AGA is a loose fellowship of Churches that Believe in The Oneness doctrine. Many have come from other oneness denominations such as the AA, UPCI, PAW, and some independant. The only criteria for being in the fellow ship is that you agree with fundimental Apostolic Beliefs.
Once again Judgment on Breteren.
I guess the only way you will make the rapture will to Be true Blue AA.
I feel sorry for you.
Putting things in perspective...
As someone was quoted saying: I know two things only and the 1st is that there is a GOD, and the 2nd is that I'm not He!
We are the Church! God needs us but he can raise anyone to do the works of "the last days!"
Heaven is a place of no more..
tears and fears, hate and fate, sorrow and tommorrow, sickness and weariness, etc.
Everything that needed to be said, has been said! Everything that needed to be done, is done!
Lastly, God knows the end from the beginning and He sees everything as a BIG NOW! WOW!
As I stated before: Most of you here in this blog need to chill in order to heal!
Rod king
If you want to leave the AA thats fine but don't come here and try to recruit people for your little organization we have our problems but we are gonna fix it.
Vday
THanks for your comment
Yes he believes in one God and baptism of the holy ghost you are right about that bu the divine flesh doctrine is very questinable. Thanks for the response! I respect your opinion!!!!!
Phantom
I'll say this then I'll stop because I am not interested it getting caught up in all the drama.
Here are the fact's that All reading this blog(those with sense anyways)can be witnesses of.
Fact: I have made no attemp to recruit anyone into as you say my little Group.
Fact: you are speaking to a man of God, and as such should be more respectful.
My final comment is that My piont was that God and Only God moves people, and as you said fixes people, but somehow you have made up your mind to Help God. If I have offended you please forgive me, however it is disingenuous of you to classify breteren you know nothing about as Jezebels, or eroniuos. i can tell you palinly that everyone I have met from the AGA has the same doctrine as you. But as i said in my first blog, many on this site want to fight their way back in instead of allowing God to do their fighting.
Phantom. I sincerly mean it when i say "God bless you my brother"!
Phantom
I'll say this then I'll stop because I am not interested it getting caught up in all the drama.
Here are the fact's that All reading this blog(those with sense anyways)can be witnesses of.
Fact: I have made no attemp to recruit anyone into as you say my little Group.
Fact: you are speaking to a man of God, and as such should be more respectful.
My final comment is that My piont was that God and Only God moves people, and as you said fixes people, but somehow you have made up your mind to Help God. If I have offended you please forgive me, however it is disingenuous of you to classify breteren you know nothing about as Jezebels, or eroniuos. i can tell you palinly that everyone I have met from the AGA has the same doctrine as you. But as i said in my first blog, many on this site want to fight their way back in instead of allowing God to do their fighting.
Phantom. I sincerly mean it when i say "God bless you my brother"!
(an excerpt of rodney king)
it is impecably dissapointing that
a "man of God" would join a
blogspot, knowing and willingly
step into a line of fire of which
he believes he has the armor set
for. his subconcious overtakes his
person and supports his malicious
decision to support an
organization he followed so
faithfully. the knife he stabs
with begins to stab back. then is
when it becomes unfortunate that
he shoots his own
foot and falls with failure.
unbeknownst to him, he created his
own torture. he stepped on the
line for a greater cause, when all
he wanted to do was speak his own
mind and in the end. he's crushed.
so he leaves his mark. a mark of
uncertainty and a mark of
embarrasment. this page will be
stained with the blood of his
foolishness and he will look back.
when his daughter joins a group,
unbeknownst to him that will
become a greater failure than he's
ever experienced before.
Gosh dang it!
Will somebody please tell the Danny Sanchez and Co. to stop singing esa "QUEMAME" song? That's the CULPRIT!
Ever since they started singing that song back in 2002/03, my God- the So Cal fires started up, and most recently he was reported being in NorCal, acho again the fires are burning up all over. I guess the fire of the H.G. is having a very difficult time getting to him. So, it has only burned hairs off the scalps of him and Sam. I'm not a Condemnocrat or anything like that, just here reporting the news! Laugh
Friends, first the natural then the spiritual. So what we see here is a
microcosm of the larger picture of what Father God is doing, tearing down man's systems, so that He can establish a true priestly kingdom. The writer in Hebrews states that everything that can be shaken will be shaken, in other words God is tearing down not just the AA, UPCI, governments, national leaders but more important man's trust in man!!
Hope we all can finally let go of systems, carnality and the security of bondage to enter into His rest!!
There remains a rest for the people of God, let's all walk in and find the path that has already been laid
for them that believe in tHis REST.
Selah
Ok so...
people... LISTEN UP
PEOPLE we need to LOOK at the REAL PICTURE right now... when they excommunicated our beloved pastors, they not only humilliated them by taking their church from them, but from that day on our pastors had no salary - no insurance-NOT EVEN GIVEN A SEVERANCE PACKAGE!!
but this was not only done to the pastors but thier spouses & their children! how can we say that this does not affect us when we are of the same family of christ! how can somone have such an AWFUL HEART to TREAT OUR PASTORS LIKE THIS?!?!?!
We should all stand up for all these pastors and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
****PASTORS TALK TO YOUR CONGREGATIONS & YOU WILL FIND THAT THEY LOVE YOU & THEY WILL STAND BEHIND YOU WHEN YOU TELL THE "Godly Boys" Crew ....BYE BYE!!!****
Every1 we need to just talk and get communication going with our congregations!
SKOTTY
"ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG"!!
Buenas Noches Blogistas!
Vengo en Paz! I COME IN PEACE!
I must make the statement clear for I am ill prepared for a battle but well prepared for an animated conversation, armed with nothing more than a cup of milk and some prunes. (at my age, things just don't settle like they used to)
I have taken some time away from my novelas (fuego en la sangre has gotten quite enthralling) to read this blog, and I must point out, young ladies and gentlemen... It took me three days. Partly for the lengthy responses, partly for the commercial breaks not being long enough. As a result, I am having DVR installed next week.
But, Oh what an issue has plagued this young generation!
What exactly happened during these elections?
Should they have sued?
Should they have retaliated?
Who is skotty?
Should he have made those videos?
WHO CAN YOU TRUST?
I shall share some insights. Pull up a chair, gather round... i have enough prunes for us all...
My first piece of advice for both parties: Believe nothing you hear, and only half of what you see. These are desperate times. People will pull you into dark corners and tell you fantastic stories. Believe none of it. Believe what God has told you.
Second: Empower yourselves with knowledge. Find things out. Dig things up from twenty year old graves if you must. But DISCOVER truth. (hint: The county recorder's office is an excellent place to start and get FREE PUBLIC information).
Third: Ask Questions. Your pastors should be a wealth of information if they are an honest pastors. Be open and direct. Question and challenge, with all the respect that is due to him, of course. If he quotes the constitution, ask what article. Be specific.
Fourth: Use good judgment. Some of our blogistas here are nothing more than flies on a hot day. There tends to be more hot air in here than a mexican restroom on bean night. Use the holy spirit to guide you, children.
Fifth: Be christ like. Even when mindless people insult you and ridicule you, stay true to your cause. It is NOT the video itself, but what the video shows. the camera does not lie, it merely accentuates a bit more weight than one would would like to see on oneself.
God Bless You All.
P.S.
Mr. President, hold on to your diapers old friend (and believe me we are good old friends). These jovenes are onto something.
Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
Ok so...
people... LISTEN UP
PEOPLE we need to LOOK at the REAL PICTURE right now... when they excommunicated our beloved pastors, they not only humilliated them by taking their church from them, but from that day on our pastors had no salary - no insurance-NOT EVEN GIVEN A SEVERANCE PACKAGE!!
but this was not only done to the pastors but thier spouses & their children! how can we say that this does not affect us when we are of the same family of christ! how can somone have such an AWFUL HEART to TREAT OUR PASTORS LIKE THIS?!?!?!
We should all stand up for all these pastors and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
****PASTORS TALK TO YOUR CONGREGATIONS & YOU WILL FIND THAT THEY LOVE YOU & THEY WILL STAND BEHIND YOU WHEN YOU TELL THE "Godly Boys" Crew ....BYE BYE!!!****
Every1 we need to just talk and get communication going with our congregations!
SKOTTY
"ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG"!!
Don Fernando,
I like your comments you have posted, but one in particular hit the spot. Who can we trust, I know are true trust is in our Lord, but your good friend Daniel Sanchez was set in a position of trust from the One Above and the pastors.
He (Daniel Sanchez) have broken that trust and he himself can no longer trust anybody. And the only one he is putting his trust on (sam) will betray him for a dime.
When I met Bro. Daniel Sanchez I thought he was a man of character and that includes admitting personal mistakes but he seems to be sticking to his guns.
TRUST IS WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN THESE BOARD MEMBERS.
By the way, congratulations Abel Aguilar on your new purcahse a 2008 Sequoia, is nice being a board member. That is why they are willing to take all the heat.
GB salary + Ofrendas + American Express = 2008 Sequoia
Pancho Villla,
Very true...
Who can you trust? One man's Interpretation of the document (the cid) or the very document itself. These men whom i call friends did indeed lose your trust. and just like they lost your trust, young person, they too will suffer a disappointment. One far beyond what they have done or intend to do. (believe me, there is PLENTY they intend to do.)
Kudos, indeed on the new car Abel. However Mr VP outshines you in his mercedes.
To Don Fernando....
Thank you and 1000x Thank you!
DonFernando
Thanks "Old School" and I say this with the utmost respect due to a gentlemen. Thanks for the words of wisdom and encouragement to our youth. If everyone will note it is our youth who historically bring about change by their outspokeness and perserverance through "youth protests". They do this to bring awareness to situations that may otherwise go unnoticed. They are truly concerned about the issue at hand because it is they who are the church of tomorrow. God bless you brother for giving them encouragement and schooling them to do it in a Christlike manner. GOD BLESS OUR YOUTH!
“change by their outspokeness and perserverance through "youth protests".
WHAT!!!
This is not the Vietnam War.
Change occurs through Christ.
My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you
Galatians 4:19
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:18
This is why we are in this mess. No commitment to scripture.
Some use scripture to support their already established view. Scripture should drive our views.
The goal of Christianity is to learn to think God’s thoughts after Him. Anything less of this is error.
Apostolic CULTure is humorous through history.
Back in the day they used to preach against the "Radio"
Then in the mid 1930's, they preached against going to the "theatre/movies".
In the 1940's they preached against the "Telephone"...those chismosos...
Then in the 1950's. they preached against TV.
Then came the "internet". They preached against it as well.
Then a couple of years ago, AA preachers preached against "Myspace".
Now, AA preachers are preaching against "Blogging" and "youtube".
Seems to me that the Apostolic Preachers have something against the Free Flow of Information....
Apostolic CULTure.
I love it...
This months recommended reading.
"Total Truth: Liberating Christianity from Its Cultural Captivity"
Nancy Pearcy
Publisher: Crossway Books
Apostolic Preachers, via the GB have Declared the following SIN:
Women wearing pantalones.
TV
Going to the Movies
Myspace
Blogging
Tithing less than 10%
The following have been declared sin and doing those activities are punishable by Death and Hell.
So sayeth los GB
Christian Greetings,
This blog seems to be in active discussion and some interesting statements have been posted by a good number of individuals on both sides of the spectrum.
I just finished reading an inspiring letter written by the Rev. Abel Torres, along with viewing 4 video youtube posts which were uploaded to visually express the content of his letter. It is truly a day of sadness and heartbrokenness as a result of the considerable measures that have been carried out in the recent months, not to mention the pastoral and ministerial ceasing of outstanding leaders in the Apostolic Assembly. My heart goes out to each one of them, their loved ones, and equally as much to the local congregations which were once under their ordained leadership.
I will do my best to continue participating in this discussion, and perhaps bring some legal insight to any inquiries and/or concerns posted here.
James Q. Thompson, J.D.
We don't need legal insight.
We need spiritual insight.
sola dei gloria
don't rob us of a blessing because
your spirituality has taken the
best of you
we need all the help we can get
thank you mr. thompson for your
concern and i do not believe you
were out of line
your insights would be greatly
appreciated
Legal Insite. The court has already said it doens't want to get involved.
However, Mr Legal Insite, have you seen the video?
During the sequence in the church, where Skotty started rolling the video, Skotty was approached by a minister who grabbed Skotty by the arm and forcibly attempted to remove Skotty from the church.
A Tort Battery? or a Criminal Battery? or Both?
Discuss...
sAm
Lossing
Truth
Awesome
Lots of
Ojo
Malverde
Andale!!!!!!!!!
Legal insight is what got us into this mess.
If both the plantiffs and the defendants had apporached this matter spiritually, we would have had a differet outcome.
sola dei gloria
you obviously have not looked into
this matter as closely as others.
have you read the letters from art
tafoya? this will show you that by
him alone there were attempts to
correct this situation spiritually
from the beginning. the defendants
were the ones that did not want to
handle the situation in a Godly
manner. please read up before you
start making accusations.
i have been in touch with this
blog and sola dei gloria, it seems
you have changed your position
recently. what encouraged the
change?
Jew or Gentile
I have not changed my position. I still a strong advocate of sound biblical exegesis. I know that the plantiffs tried to handle the matter spiritually, but that appraoahed was abandoned.
"..Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh"? Gal 3:3
I beg to differ. What got us into this mess was GREED and LUST. For money, power.
The law is there to protect us.
Its SIN that got us here.
Oh Brother!
A spirtual life is your best defense.
Apostolicos.
You’re missing the point. What’s done is done. Most bloggers here seem to want corrective action. What is the corrective action. Don’t let your spiritual life become corrupt with power, authority culture and pride. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. This is the greatest revolution.
sola dei gloria
if you know that the plantiffs
tried to handle the situation
spiritually, then why did you say
if both the plantiffs and the
defendants had apporached this
matter spiritually, there would
have been a different outcome. you
contradict yourself. please help
me understand what you are truly
trying to say. did you mean if the
defendants would have handled this
spiritually then the outcome would
have been different?
Let me clear this up. If I have to lean to one side, it will be toward the plaintiffs. I believe what the GB did was horrible. I was with the plaintiffs (in heart) up until the lawsuit. I am having a hard time finding lawsuit in the New Testament. If the plaintiffs would not have sued, I believe that would still be Pastors. (AA). There was a better way (spiritually). The plaintiffs became exactly like the men they were suing. Carnal.
Think about it. In 2010 where will Sanchez be. Was it worth it? I’m not saying to ignore it. But there was a better way.
Skoooottttyyyy? R u ready?
to sola dei gloria...
this is from apostolicassembly.info as to pastor avila's response to an apostolic minister. he states:
"Now we finally arrive to the heart of your challenge to us. As a student of the Word that you are, please note the following: The question that many are asking themselves is: Can a brother be taken to court in light of I Corinthians 6? The answer is two-fold. 1.) Yes it is possible to take a brother to court if he is behaving as a gentile or pagan. In verse 9 it states that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If it is for a worthy cause of a whole, be it a society, entity, congregation or family, they can be taken to court because the magistrate has been placed by God. An example is when a brother/sister has violated a minor or committed fraud then you need to proceed otherwise you become part of it by your silence. In our case, the Texas Penal Code has language on its books that dictate for clergy to report to law enforcement when he/she becomes aware of a minor that has been violated. In essence it states this: The Texas Penal Code #11166, demands that in the capacity of spiritual counselors, we must report every case of abuse or negligence that we come in contact as we are counseling. In this vein involving the penal code in matters of this nature, should we involve the court? 2.) It is not possible to take a brother to court if it be for wrath, envy, selfishness or personal motives. For this we have wise persons that can help us resolve said cases to which the Apostle Paul calls them small things in verse 2. When these measures are taken as in the first case, even the unbelievers are admonished in this measure of justice in that through it we give good testimony that the LORD’s church does not cover or hide aforementioned cases. In the second case we are giving a bad testimony in that we do not reflect the character of Christ which is to love and forgive.
This chapter as well as the previous one mentions various things that need to be pointed out. We are not demanding the brethren as you reference but the behavior of the brethren as evidence by chapter 5:5 in which the one is “to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that the spirit may be saved”. Here the Apostle Paul has performed a dichotomy on this brother. Furthermore on that note, we the petitioners/consenters are not demanding the brethren per se but the individual’s behavior within an organizational context. Please bear in mind that the system of governance of our fellowship is one that was foreign to the first century church, therefore the argument or rebuttal to the efforts are muted. The first century church did not have the “chain-of-command” (layperson, deacon, ordained minister, pastor, auxiliary elder, bishop supervisor and board member) that we operate in. This style of governance was “copied and pasted” by us from Ignatius of Antioch (the father of the episcopate system). The Church does not need the episcopate system as we have come to know it; it is the organization that needs it.
Questions that we would do well in pondering…
1. Do you remember when God used a pagan system (Babylonian Empire) to judge His people (Judah) when there was unrighteousness done in which the Prophet Habakkuk complains to God about? Incidentally, the term “unrighteous” is a legal term.
2. Has our fellowship, the Apostolic Assembly, not been plaintiffs in cases that have involved organizational matters such as Pastors Félix Rubén Martínez- Houston, Salvador Rodarte- Dallas, Salvador Villegas- Austin and Antonio Lugo- San Antonio? All these cases are from our state of Texas of which there is public record of their outcome in their respective counties? All these men became defendants and won their respective cases with the exception of Pastor Antonio Lugo who ran out of money to defend himself.
3. Is not the Apostolic Assembly a California non-profit corporation governed by laws of that state? If we are, then we need to comply with all its requirements as stated by the legislature of the state. Therefore, when there are anomalies, we need to help rectify them through the means that are available us.
any comments sola dei gloria?
Justice will prevail.
Nice Job.
You have given many reasons why we should go to court.
Can you give me any reasons why we shouldn't
People swaer the church has ever been 100% Spiritual.
Is there a book in the bible that there was a church that behaved?
Shoot, people been messing up since Adam.
I know, I know, be you transformed. Shoot, why don't that GB Transform themselves?
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read his post again especially point 2
point 2 is: "2.) It is not possible to take a brother to court if it be for wrath, envy, selfishness or personal motives. For this we have wise persons that can help us resolve said cases to which the Apostle Paul calls them small things in verse 2. When these measures are taken as in the first case, even the unbelievers are admonished in this measure of justice in that through it we give good testimony that the LORD’s church does not cover or hide aforementioned cases. In the second case we are giving a bad testimony in that we do not reflect the character of Christ which is to love and forgive. "
DonFernando,
As I began reading your first post, I said to myself: " Self, now here is someone I will enjoy listening to." That was until I finished reading your last comment. DISSAPOINTING AGAIN! It just shows that you are the same as all of these extremists - on both sides!
Is there no one out there that has something good to say other than the bashing of both ends?
I agree, there is a lot to be upset about. But is there anyone with a true voice of reason? I think not. I also decided a long time ago that anything said on this blog can't even be taken at face value. SAD!
Skotty, I did enjoy pulling your leg though! I LIED!!!!! I have nothing on you other than a few pics and personal info which I will share with no one. I DON'T REALLY CARE! So now you can rest easy...lol
I do have one thing to say, people can split the AA and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact it could be good to go independant! But no one can split the Church of God!!!
Say what you will about me, I will keep you ALL in prayer. Let God's will be done.
justice will prevail
I have read point 2 angain. Once again, nice job.
But remember if your in court, something went wrong.
Justice will preavail
Can you give us any reasons why we shouldn't go to court?
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my take is simply this, if we are truly the body of christ then we do not need an organization (aa) and the aspect of courts are non existant
in christ "there is neither jew nor greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in christ jesus." gal 3;28
Amen!
Now were moving in a spiritual direction.
Well...
I was BORN READY!
the word says, yes and amen as well!
wow... it took you 2 DAYS to tell me something i already knew...
LAME....
thought you were going to visit me dude!
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mlk said many years ago that 11:00 am was america's most segregated hour because we all assembled by the color of our skin
now let us go to the aa not only is it brown but also has the classes of the haves and have nots (free-rich and bond-poor) and lastly the men being a better class than the women.
the aa is not the body of christ but an organization
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what is your take on gal. 3;28
Skotty, I did enjoy pulling your leg though! I LIED!!!!! I have nothing on you other than a few pics and personal info which I will share with no one. I DON'T REALLY CARE! So now you can rest easy...lol
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yeah but kinda weird how u have pics of me... why would u even want them? looks like ur lucky im over 18 huh? otherwise we'd have problems... personal info?
Mr. Law ENFORCEMENT/ SECURITY...
thought you said that i would be suprised when i found out who you were... so why dont you let me know?
what are you afraid of what do YOU have to hide?
"SPYONYOU Said...
" I know him and he knows me too. I will reveal myself to him in due time."
Isnt it due time?
Justice will prevail.
I agree with you.
The problem is a lot of Apostolics have more allegiance to the “organization" that they do to the Savior. For some, Jesus is the stepping stone, not the cornerstone.
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