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- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
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«Oldest ‹Older 2201 – 2400 of 3402 Newer› Newest»Its funny how La Puente Bible Schoolers along with their peers from Instituto Biblico College of Ministry Studies in Whittier, love to summarily dismiss the Old Testament(Torah) Teachings.
They literally are tearing out half the bible and tossing it away.
Except for the portions of Scripture regarding Tithes.
Especially the passages that equate not tithing to "robbing" God.
Taking the whole scripture out of its context then preaching that if you don't tithe, God will send you to hell, therefore dismissing the death and resurrection of Christ.
Under AA Doctrine, All sins can be foregiven. Lust, fornication, lying, cheating, being a molester, murder, etc...EXCEPT the one Sin that CANNOT be foregiven and is not Covered by the blood, giving a Full 10%, Audited by the Church Treasurer.
Too HELL with the Deadbeats, So Sayeth Valverde.
Henry
Are you convinced that the Apostolic Assembly does not have the truth?
Truth in what aspect?
In Oneness, Yes.
In Water Baptism, Yes.
In the Holy Ghost, Yes.
I guess thats about it. The rest of the AA Doctrine has become bastardized.
Not to mention the Culture.
Not to mention our leaders have become Money Changers.
Not to mention our "Worship" has been prostituted in the name of $$$$ with these "live recordings" or the sale of cd's, dvd's.
I haven't posted in quite sometime. I have been reading most of the posting and both sides have very good points.
Dr. Rodriquez was kicked out by the boys (S.V. & E.P) that he put in. I remember hearing years ago that S.V. was setting himself up for the Presidency. Both Salomon and Fortino are/were a threat to him. Mmmmmmmmmmmm No wonder they are no long on the board.
If you remember after E.P. came back from the mission field he became Secretary of Foreign Missions. If I am correct he only ran one term and left the department in the RED. The pastors or the CALIFICADOR decided one term was enough.
I truly believe that the GB doesn’t lose any sleep over kicking people out. I do believe that they lose sleep over being exposed.
PS. Art T. you will no longer be trusted. You are IN but marked for life. You can say I’m sorry all you wanted but you are DONE.
theinsider,
so whats going on with art t.!?
AA is not true Christianity, they do not preach the true GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ. Unfortunate to say but they do not know what TRUE GRACE IS!!!
They are the Pharisees of today, enforcing rules and regulation, which are not needed for Salvation. The AA is a Religion, in which they teach to reach GOD or to earn Salvation they need to WORK at it.
Why do you all stay in this so-called “Beloved AA”, there is life beyond the AA. True Salvation is found in God, in Jesus Christ alone!
There is nothing wrong with Religion.
Whats wrong with the AA is that it has lost the intent of the church and the intent of Christ.
Whats wrong with rules and regulations? Nothing. It the INENT and SPIRIT of the law.
Even Jesus established a Higher Law.
Even Jesus submitted to a religious ritual of submitting himself to be baptised,thus setting an example for us.
Its ok to tithe and demand tithes when you know and practice the intent and spirit of the law of tithing.
Peace
Seeker,
Are you saying that Christ can NOT be found in the AA.
That is absurd !
The AA has many problems and are mired in legalism and nepotism.
But the foundational doctrines of the oneness of GOD and baptism in Jesus name are Solid.
That goes for sola dei gloria as well since she seems by her posts to be a trinitarian and bitter against the Assembly.
“There is nothing wrong with Religion?” Wow, that there is something wrong with your theology! That is exactly what is being taught in the AA.
Religion is put in place so you can work or earn your way to GOD. Jesus followed the law? Yes! He came to fulfill it, but the law can never be fulfilled through anyone else, the LAW was created to show our weakness, it was put in place so you and I can be shown we cannot fulfill it and we need a Savior. This is the reason as to why Jesus came and died in our place.
Grace is what God has given us to be in right standing with Him, not by what we have worked at but by His Grace alone! The AA teaches rules and regulations to follow by and if it is not followed accordingly you are not a true believer. Face it we are all sinners, no matter if you have been baptized in Jesus name, all are sinners, Bishops, Elders, Pastors, Ministers, laypersons, we are all sinners!
rome and seal are the same people! cause what rome has now was something "seal" had written...
INTERESTING...
hahahaha,
Yes I am ROME and Seal
No big deal fool !
You aint busting no one out genious !
That is my handle on anothe blogspot forum and I forgot to switch out.
No biggie.
Here is the reason if you must know.
Seal : I used to be in the Navy
Rome : Sports fan ? Jim Rome
The other forum is for current and former military.
The fact that we are all sinners, means we need to be Saved from our dome!
Religion or Works will not save you and I, Jesus will!
There is a whole lot to say about religion, Jesus opposed it in His day!
Paul spoke up against, and cursed them as well!
Gal. 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you, as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
Gal. 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse”
Did Jesus fulfill the law? Yes He did! The difference between Jesus and the Pharisees is this:
Jesus obeyed God because He Loved God
Pharisees obeyed God because they thought it would earn them salvation.
There is a difference, a HUGE DIFFERENCE!
Henry,
There's more to truth than just Oneness, Baptism and the Holy Ghost. That's the problem with the AA. The think they can hold the truth in custody.
The AA preaches packaged theology (Acts 2:38). There are 26 other chapters to that book. Get Baptized. Go shout. Hand over tithes. I agree with some. It is a pyramid scam. The AA preaches to the emotions, not the intellect.
Sola scriptura
Sola fide
Sola gratia
Solus Christus
Soli Deo gloria
Good Job Seeker!
Looks like weve got some Trinos up in here.
LOL
Rome
You wouldn't understand Oneness if Jesus Himself was explaining it to you. The trinitarians divide God in persons. The Apostolics divide God in time.
and the GB divides the booty in 8ths
There is only ONE GOD.
Not three persons of a TRIUNE pyramid that together make one GOD !
There is ONLY ONE GOD NOT THREE !
There are NOT three persons in the God Head.
And using Latin terms does not make you more intellectual.
You will never convince me of your trinity or your tri une god so dont even bother with your explanations.
Continue to follow your man made doctrine of three then one no wait three then one.
Keep going in circles like all trinos do.
And by the way although Apostolic I dont agree with legalism and nepotism it is a cancer that must be removed in order for the Church to be healthy.
And salvation is NOT attained by works but by grace and obedience to the plan of salvation.
And thru God's Divine Grace I have been allowed the privelige to understand the plan of salvation and the truth about the God Head.
The God head is a mystery only to those who do not have the revelation.
Also the scripture speaks about the holders of the truth being few.
So dont even start with the trinos and their mega churches and how they must have the truth since they are so financially blessed.
Ive heard it all.
Nice try Rome.
I am a “Oneness” proponent. I just believe the Apostolic doctrine of the Oneness of God is weak. This is why most Apostolics can stand up to Trinitarians. The Oneness Doctrine of God must be understood for the view point of Creation. This doctrine is evident not inferred.
Sola,
Sorry for calling you a Trino then LOL
Me perdonas por ofenderte de tal manera ?
I do agree that many Apos follow the AA leadership way too much and practically live their lives and hang by their every word.
It's almost like idol worship.
And most Apos do not know what they believe in and why they just know that;s what they were taught and that;s how they grew up.
Rome
We have a lot of work ahead of us.
Would you agree?
I find it funny that the assembly so vehemently declares to have the truth. Yet, only 2 or 3 churches are actually growing (barely).
This truth was apparently revealed about 100 years ago, according to apostolics.
Yet, as soon as the truth "revelation" was poured out, there has been nothing but divisions since then.
Hmmmm... makes you wonder, is it really truth? Truth should not divide, it should unite.
al_gueso_colorado
I'm with you all the way!
Any organization that claims to have the truth should be suspect. The “truth” is not something you have. It’s something you follow.
Factsonly1
You said, “You haven't said anything concrete for me to cede the point.”
Response: The point you fail to recognize is that the city of Laodicea was not named for its government, it was named for the wife of the governer of that city. AND THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT. Another FACT: the church was not called Laodicea; God said to write to the angel of the “Church in Laodicea.”
FACT: The seven churches were in seven real cities. FACT: the churches were not named at all, much less for any of their characteristics, they were simply called “the church in… (whatever city it was in).”
You said: “… because they ruled and not God, was one of the reasons that lead them to go astray.”
Response: I’ll cede you half a point on that one, and that is that they obviously did not allow God to rule, but it wasn’t the only reason. Your choice of words implies that the only reason God judged them was because man ruled. Man rules all over the earth. Sometimes he rules justly and fairly, and other times he’s just downright evil.
You said: “Governing the church is not just administrating money. A local treasurer can do that.”
Response: Have you ever sat through a church meeting? That’s all they talk about. How much money are we gonna raise? How are we going to spend it? How much will it cost to fix this problem? How much money will this activity yield?
You said: “The job of the Apostles was to pray, preach the word, disciple, lead the church, resolve the problems that arose in the church, send out missionaries, supervise the church....”
Response: FACT: According to Jesus, the job of the apostles was to go and preach the gospel to every creature. FACT: According to Peter, the job of the apostle was to pray and preach. FACT: it is the job of the local pastor to resolve problems that arise in the church, send out missionaries, and supervise the church. FACT: Governing is the job of a MAN (or WOMAN).
You asked: “Is that all government does? decide how to spend money? I don't think so. They are supposed to make laws, execute laws, interpret laws, protect our country...”
Response: FACT: Virtually Every law that is made and executed either costs money or yields money. Try reading a ballot one of these days. FACT: Protecting a country costs a fortune. FACT: the church is not a country; It is the body of Christ. FACT: Jesus did not organize. He preached, healed, etc. FACT: Nowhere in the book of Acts do you read about sectors, districts, and federations; any mention of interaction between churches has to do with one local church helping another.
You said: “On one point I agree with you that if Paul was here he would have spoken out against the indescretions of our leaders, but one thing for sure he would have NEVER sued the church leaders in a worldly court. As a matter of fact he taught againsts that.”
Response: It’s nice to see we agree on something. How do you think our present leaders would have responded to Paul, not knowing that he would go down in the history books as one of the most instrumental ministers in the dissemination of the Gospel?
God Bless You
I agree Sola
Alot of work ahead.
More compassion
More Love
More Peace
More understanding of scripture
More understanding of God's nature
I include myself as one who needs alot of growth and with the help of The Lord I will be drawn to empty myself of me and allow him to fill me with more of him.
The Assembly is an organization and nothing more than that,
I love the Oneness Doctrine and grew up in The AA.
But for too long have seen so much spiritual abuse at the hands of those that should be used by God the most.
What ruins it is always Man and his nature to be greedy and lustful etc...
Rome,
Yes indeed, what ruins something meant for good is the depravity of man.
What I don't understand is after understanding the depraved state of man, our leaders walk with a pious and pompous aura that quite frankly makes me want to vomit! And they randomly or selectively (depending on how they feel that day) whip out their power and make their disciples bow to their authority to validate their awesomeness.
It really does make me wonder; do our leaders understand where we all stand in relationship to the cross? They sure don't live like it.
Was someone looking for a letter that was published in the aa info website?
ll
Skotty gave us a website for many of those letters yesterday. Very informative and interesting. The tone of voice the GB had was rather crude when Bro. Tafoya made a decent letter. To me they sounded pretty defensive.
The website for the missing letters is as follows:
http://www.esnips.com/web/missingletters
The religious right of the Gospel era (Matthew-John) did their religious rituals not for obedience or honor towards God, but to be seen of men.
Jesus did follow the Law not to be seen of men but to obey God. But after He obeyed God, He established a higher standard of living.
He states at the sermon at the mount when talking about adultery...."you have heard the old say thou shall not commit adultery (this was the Law) but i say if a man looketh unto a woman to lust in his heart, he has commit the sin of adultery." (Higher Standard of Living)
The religious are just comfortable with doing the expected, in order to appease their sinful, depraved hearts but never for honor towards God. In other words, what must I do to obtain salvation and when I do it, that will suffice.
Sorry my friends, God wants our hearts, relationship and intimacy w/out rules and regulations and must dos in order to get to Him.
Anything that man establishes as must dos to get to God is religion.
Whether it is through outward appearence or any other method of must dos or must haves or must attend that my friends is religion.
These people honor me with their lips, but their HEARTS are far from me.
The pharisees were great religious people, fasted 2 times a week, prayed daily and tithed even from their garden, but they did it to be seen of men and not of God.
Be free from the spirit of religion and you'll understand what it is to serve God and not man.
Are the pastors out of t/meetings?
They will be out at 5pm today
Do you know if Bro. Solomon was there?
Do you know if Bro. Solomon was there?
Oneinafew, hi thanks for the comment/thought!
We agree to a point....
Also you are right about the women issue, I am a firm believer of women in ministry....
For example Sola dei gloria, is well prepared, she should have a MAJOR role in leadership.....
I am a firm believer that Anyone can lay hands, but not everyone should.....
My wife lays hands in our church, when it is appropriate....
sola dei gloria:
"I beg to differ with you". Truth is not something we are supposed to follow! Scripture says that the Spirit will lead us to ALL Truth and righteousness, True, but it doesn't stop there! Truth is where alot of apostolics and pentecostals have been "stuck" with bragging rights have stopped there and that's why everything and everyone is static! God is not static! where is then the glory to glory, etc?
So, since truth is where we have been stuck, the Spirit wants to bring us not into "new revelation" but "spiritual ilumination!"
Just food for thought!
Also I'm 100% a believer in Apostolic Doctrine, notice I didn't say AA Doctrine....
The people of the AA are awesome, but the AA as an organization needs work!
Awesome thought Elteclas!
Pestayo:
Porque estas tan callado - Gallo? A la mejor estas en el "happy hour".
anyguey, nomas pensando en ti y tus feligreces. Recuerda que necesitas ir a misa manana en la madrugada, y por favor, me hechas muchas ave marias - eh?
Ay te wacho cucaracho porque aqui nomas como el Tomas!
Cuidate... y te banas Profe!!!!!
elteclas
Thank you for your comments.
The bible says, “that in Christ are deposited all treasures of wisdom and knowledge”. All truth is God’s truth. Truth is infinite and therefore is a pursuit. You can never reach its end unless you know all that Christ knows. So to make a statement that “We have the truth”, is a serous theological error.
By the way, I am a male.
Sola Dei Gloria,
Sorry 'bout that bro!
That's what happens when we assume...but I still think you're well prepared.
Thank you M. Gallegos.
I am also a "Gallegos".
I have been theologically trained.
Sola dei gloria, I would like to talk more...here's my e-mail
miguelgallego80@sbcglobal.net
Hola a todos.Bueno veo que ya hasta se estan reuniendo los disque pastores y personas inbolucradas en este pedazo. Algunos pues .
Pero pos digo, sean realistas hombre agaren el toro por los cuernos y Organisense con otro grupaso, aunquesea musical, Entre todos los sacados y salidos y los que estan por salir..
Es Mas, Me comprometo a que si alguno de ustedes me da el telefono de .Sanchez.Malverde.Prado.Aguilar.Y losdemas de su directiva?les llamo.y les informo de lo que me respondan.sale.bueno pos ahi estamos mi teclas.
ESTABA CUBRIENDO UN ASESINATO AQUI EN GUERERO DE POLICIAS POR ESO N O TENIA ACCESO A LA iNTERNET
Ya lo sabes que Viva Mexico esta bien chidongo poraqui en guerrero.Att El Pestayo
Seeker:
Do you believe the following statement?:
"The law of the Lord is Perferct, Converting the Soul".
Zapata:
I agree with you 100%. But the law Jesus gave us sets a higher standard to achieve.
Oh, did I say standard? Would that be a rule and regulation set forth by God?
Pestayo:
Si la MD hace caso omiso a Los "Apostolocos de Casa", crees tu que van a hacer caso a un disque "catolico nominal" como tu? Necesitas comer mas "chorizo" y quizas te pongan atencion Pelayo, digo Pestayo.
Oyes, tu que sabes de los infamosos encuentros? Segun tengo entendido, parece que los catolicos carismaticos fueron los que le "hecharon ganas" a estas reuniones, y ahora los apostolocos quieren duplicar el efecto de estas reuniones.
Asi siempre ha sido el pleito, porque la MD siempre ha sido tan "flaky" (superficial), al grado que si ven a alguien o algo tener exito, inmediatamente quieren que tambien a ellos les trabaje y les de exito.
Son una bola de "cortar y pegar" (cut & paste) en todo lo que hacen. No tienen lo suficiente de cocono para penzar por ellos mismos, especialmente ese mentado Obispo Salverde. Todos sus mensajes son copias de Bill Hybels WillowCreek.
Pestayo, sabes tu cuales son los "clavos mexicanos?" Pues los que no tienen cabeza. Me dicen por alli que a un paisano le abrieron los cezos para operarlo y le encontraron los cezos nuevecitos" porque nunca los habia usado el compa!
Que Risa! Y que viva el "chorizo Moreliano"!
Y que dicen los de la Mesa Directivia que estan aqui visitando el Blog de hoy? Quieren chorizo? Aqui les va... abran la boca - pura nada! Coman un montonon del aire polutado de "Playas Largas" (LB).
If Abel Torres blew the whistle on the election fraud in 2006, and now has a restraining order for any member of the GB to get near him, why is he attending the Jesus Convention in Long Beach this week?
Would he then be the one in violation by going to where they are? Wouldn't he be in jeapordy of being fired as a Pastor in person?
What about Dan Salomon? How did he get back in the good graces of the GB?
Baldemar saw no mercy from the Board as these two have. He must be more of a threat to Sanchez and the GB than Torres and Salomon, or is Sanchez getting scared of all the reactions on the Baldemar issue.
So, Pancho Villa, get us the goods on what all is happening in Long Beach.
Praise the Lord! everyone as what Im seeing now is that, the revolution has started and I wanted to tell all you brothers and sisters that pray alot, cuz God is coming very soon and thats why all of this is happening and Im really sad for what happen to Bro. Baldemar Im very sorry brother I appreciate you and why to him his a pioneer!! come on!!! thats bad and to Bro. Lugo... Geeez bro you need prayer man!! on this videos you could tell he has bad spirits!! his look!! every one dont fight thats what the Devil wants but he wont make it cuz God is powerful and his so big!!!! Bro. Pray and fast!! God Bless you all!! go ahead and comment my comment!
Praise the Lord! everyone as what Im seeing now is that, the revolution has started and I wanted to tell all you brothers and sisters that pray alot, cuz God is coming very soon and thats why all of this is happening and Im really sad for what happen to Bro. Baldemar Im very sorry brother I appreciate you and why to him his a pioneer!! come on!!! thats bad and to Bro. Lugo... Geeez bro you need prayer man!! on this videos you could tell he has bad spirits!! his look!! every one dont fight thats what the Devil wants but he wont make it cuz God is powerful and his so big!!!! Bro. Pray and fast!! God Bless you all!! go ahead and comment my comment!
Praise the Lord! everyone as what Im seeing now is that, the revolution has started and I wanted to tell all you brothers and sisters that pray alot, cuz God is coming very soon and thats why all of this is happening and Im really sad for what happen to Bro. Baldemar Im very sorry brother I appreciate you and why to him his a pioneer!! come on!!! thats bad and to Bro. Lugo... Geeez bro you need prayer man!! on this videos you could tell he has bad spirits!! his look!! every one dont fight thats what the Devil wants but he wont make it cuz God is powerful and his so big!!!! Bro. Pray and fast!! God Bless you all!! go ahead and comment my comment!
Praise the Lord! everyone according to what Im seeing now is that, the revolution has started and I wanted to tell all you brothers and sisters that pray alot, cuz God is coming very soon and thats why all of this is happening and Im really sad for what happen to Bro. Baldemar Im very sorry brother I appreciate you and why to him his a pioneer!! come on!!! thats bad and to Bro. Lugo... Geeez bro you need prayer man!! on this videos you could tell he has bad spirits!! his look!! every one dont fight thats what the Devil wants but he wont make it cuz God is powerful and his so big!!!! Bro. Pray and fast!! God Bless you all!! go ahead and comment my comment!
Praise the Lord! everyone as what Im seeing now is that, the revolution has started and I wanted to tell all you brothers and sisters that pray alot, cuz God is coming very soon and thats why all of this is happening and Im really sad for what happen to Bro. Baldemar Im very sorry brother I appreciate you and why to him his a pioneer!! come on!!! thats bad and to Bro. Lugo... Geeez bro you need prayer man!! on this videos you could tell he has bad spirits!! his look!! every one dont fight thats what the Devil wants but he wont make it cuz God is powerful and his so big!!!! Bro. Pray and fast!! God Bless you all!! go ahead and comment my comment!
Henry Said:
“Seeker, Do you believe the following statement?: The law of the Lord is Perferct, Converting the Soul”
Why wouldn’t I, It is Bible! Psalm 19:7.
Paul explains as to how it converts souls. The law was put in place so that our sin maybe exposed. Why is it exposed, because there is no one that is righteous no not one of us. So by exposing our sin we see a need of a Savior.
Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law NO FLESH WILL BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT, FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
So how are we Justified?
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified FREELY BY HIS GRACE THROUGH THE REDEMPTION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS.
To Gallegos:
Let the scriptures expose your fallacies,
You said:
TO SAY THE EARLY CHURCH HAD OLD TESTAMENTS! A STUDY OF THE SCRIPTURES WILL INFORM YOU THE SERIOUSNESS THE JEWISH PRIEST PLACED ON THE TORAH! THE TORAH WAS WRITTEN ON BIG SCROLLS THAT TOOK ALONG PROCESS TO BE COMPLETED...COMMON PEOPLE DIDNOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE TORAH YOU COULD NOT JUST GO AND BUY ONE, THE WAY THEY HEARD THE READING OF THE WORD WAS BY GOING TO THE TEMPLE AND HEARING THE RABBI'S TEACH...
If common people were not able to get scriptures what was the Eunuch reading on his way back from Jerusalem?
Acts 8:27-28 says he was reading the book of the prophet Isaiah.
Even a gentile proselyte had access to the scriptures.
See how easy it is to prove your fallacies.
By the way the Old Testament is not just the Torah, that’s just the five books of the Bible.
The Old Testament was the Law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms.
To Gallegos:
You said,
This doctrine is so easy to refute, its totally non-biblical...
You said this is not Biblical but now that you been exposed for that lie and proven that it is Biblical and you find it in the book Acts, no you say we can’t go back to the methods of the first church. That we can “only follow the Holy Ghost” WHAT A BLUNDER. If you would truly follow the Holy Ghost it would lead you to the scriptures not your own thinking.
The strategy of Jesus was to go out, to seek the lost sheep, he went to homes.
The Peter and other Apostles clearly used this practice to gather daily in homes.
Acts 5:42
Every day in the Temple and in people’s homes they continued teaching the people and telling the Good News—that Jesus is the Christ.
As a matter of fact God sent them to homes, didn’t he send Peter to Cornelius home.
Acts 10:22
They said, “A holy angel spoke to Cornelius, an army officer and a good man; he worships God. All the Jewish people respect him. The angel told Cornelius to ask you to come to his house so that he can hear what you have to say.
Paul who came afterward also used this method for evangelism, he went to peoples homes to preach and even baptized in homes .
Acts 16:32
“You say the key to is gather daily”, if you gather daily in the church building then when are you going to go seek the lost. You need to get out of the building and go look for souls. You expect all the souls to come the church? No, go to them, didn’t God leave heaven to come to us. Are you better than God.
I understand the church gathers in church buildings for service to worship and magnify God, but if you want souls go to them.
The “Strategy of Jesus” is for evangelism and discipleship.
Should we do it the Way Jesus did it, the way the Apostles and the first church did it, the way Paul did it or the Gallegos way?
I think all reasonable people in this blog know the answer to that.
To Gallegos:
You said,
“THE EARLY CHURCH DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD WAS DOING”
The early church and the Apostles had more insight and understanding of what God was doing in one finger nail than you have in your whole body. Talk about TRINO doctrine, they think they know more that the Apostles that's why they don’t baptize like them. Are you sure you’re not a Trino, you surely don’t like the Apostles doctrine.
Facts, if you read all my post, you will see I already addressed what you are talking about...We are going in circles...Also your still not responding to the points made...And the eunuch was far from being common....So are you saying that Conelius's was a cell group?
Also, I never said I dont believe in Evangelism....
Yes, go out to the by-ways and high-ways....Pass out tracts, nock on doors...I believe we are suppose to do that...
What I dont believe, is that Jesus had a "Cell/HOME/FRIENDSHIP GROUPS STRATEGY"....
I'm sorry, but I dont believe Jesus sat down to "STRATEGIZE".
I dont believe he said to the Apostles "OK, here's the plan on how to start my church"....
I dont have any problem with giving a bible study in someones home either, my problem is this "STRATEGY OF JESUS" thing...
Simply because the author was associated with Cezar Castellanos, I dont believe GOD gave them this REVELATION....Its a money maker for them.....
Again if you read all my post having to do with this subject you will see I already addressed everything you have brought up,
There is a big difference between a church that was/is in some ones house and a strategy of cell/home/friendship groups that Korean Pastor David yonggi and Colombian Pastor Castellanos came up with....
Also I dont wish to go in circles, please when you quote me, quote word for word because you seem to take parts and miss quote.....
Furthermore, your post and my post are on this blog for the world to see, to avoid going in circles lets have someone one here compare our post and give us their feedback?
AZ ApostL said...
M. Gallegos: Very informative! But what about Pastor David Yonggi Cho? The introduction mentions Dr. Cho. I have a copy of the Strategy of Jesus friendship groups book. It never mentions Cezar Castellanos.
M.Gallegos said...
Twovote, Brother you said it best!
"Pyramid Scheme" thats exactly what it is...
Az Apostle, I know that in the 1980s Pastor David Yonggi out of Korea was associated with Cezar Castellanos, however he does not fully follow the "Encounters" deal the way Castellanos does...Castellanos says Pastor Yonggi's formula does not work!
Pastor Yonggi's formula does however have a four step time line for new converts...Both are non-biblical...It was in Nicaragua that the fallout took place, mainly because of the blood sacrifices, which according to Castellanos was not his original intent! He however has done nothing to stop these things because they are a big reason for the growth among non-American hispanics!
factsonly1 said...
To m gallegos:
All that research you did, and you didn't research what the AA says about “ECUENTROS”. How pathetic.
In 2005 AA passed unanimously a document banning "Encuentros" any pastor in the assembly having encuentros can be excommunicated.
The Strategy of Jesus was initiated in 2006.
As far as the "Strategy of Jesus" not being biblical is easy to prove wrong, it's obvious you don't read the Bible much.
The first church gathered in houses, they didn't own a buildings. For big crowds they gathered in courts of the temple (which they didn’t own), not inside the temple.
Acts 2:46
They gathered in home to teach and preach Acts 5:42
Jesus visited homes to preach and teach and did healings in homes. Mt.9
Where do you think Jesus had the Last supper with disciples, yes a house.
Where do you think the Holy Ghost came down for the first time, yes a house.
Yes it's Biblical, just because other people have misused it doesn't mean it's not Biblical.
Do better research next time.
factsonly1 said...
To m gallegos:
All that research you did, and you didn't research what the AA says about “ECUENTROS”. How pathetic.
In 2005 AA passed unanimously a document banning "Encuentros" any pastor in the assembly having encuentros can be excommunicated.
The Strategy of Jesus was initiated in 2006.
As far as the "Strategy of Jesus" not being biblical is easy to prove wrong, it's obvious you don't read the Bible much.
The first church gathered in houses, they didn't own a buildings. For big crowds they gathered in courts of the temple (which they didn’t own), not inside the temple.
Acts 2:46
They gathered in home to teach and preach Acts 5:42
Jesus visited homes to preach and teach and did healings in homes. Mt.9
Where do you think Jesus had the Last supper with disciples, yes a house.
Where do you think the Holy Ghost came down for the first time, yes a house.
Yes it's Biblical, just because other people have misused it doesn't mean it's not Biblical.
Do better research next time.
factsonly1 said...
to m. gallegos,
I figured that's the way you would respond since you obviously can't answer in a intelligent manner. Whose the Moron? Name one church at the present time in the AA that uses encuentros.
Ontario tried using it and was warned not to do Encuentros, Baeza tried using Encuentos and was warned to do it again.
Do better research. is that the way all you revolutionaries debate. How moronic.
M.Gallegos said...
Also what is your gb doing following trinitarian "strategies"
I thought they were apostolics? They are suppose to be led of the spirit!This mafia style gb doesn't even know how to pray! Much less understand scriptures! Next they'll say the trinity is biblical! And Morons like you will follow!
factsonly1 said...
To M. Gallegos:
As far as churches meeting a central place of course they began to have buildings that doesn't mean they didn't use houses to evangelize.
Rom. 16:5 the church was in a house.
Col. 4:15 talks about a church in a house.
The last days of Paul he spent teaching and preaching in a house.
Do you think the church is going to evangelize the world waiting in a church building for souls to come or you think that the church has to go out and look for souls in home. whose the moron now.
July 10, 2008 10:30 PM
M.Gallegos said...
I already addessed the churches that were mentioned in the bible, that were in the house of so and so...Thats not the issue! MORON!
The issue is this "strategy" is not biblical! On the Day of Pentecost 3000 were added! By the preached word of GOD!
Be lead of the spirit and follow God not a trinitarian!
This "strategy" is a brake off from the G12! Any level of acceptance of this false doctrine, is a step away from true Apostolic Doctrine! Notice I didn't say AA Doctrine!
By the way your a MORON!
July 10, 2008 10:38 PM
factsonly1 said...
to Gallegos:
Just because trinitarian use something it doesn't mean it's not Biblical. Just because Trinos sing in the service does that mean we cant sing. What a Moron.
factsonly1 said...
To Gallegos:
In the day of Pentecost 3000 were added, and where do you think they gathered to receive doctrine since they didn't have buildings. And they were forbidden to use the temple. HOUSES!
The Strategy Jesus used was reach everyone, he sent the 12 to go from house to house Mt.10
We are copying Jesus and his strategy to evangelize not Trinos.
Give up you don't have the truth on your side.
factsonly1 said...
To Gallegos:
You express yourself like a real Christian!
But first you accuse the GB of using cultic practices, now that you been expose and found a liar, that only thing you can say is "they should have been excomminicated".
M.Gallegos said...
SHOW ME WHERE I LIED!
DONT TRY TO GET OFF THE SUBJECT!
YOU MORON!
Its people like you following after the gb, defending the undefendable....
I just showed you your leaders follow trinitarians not Jesus!
I guess thats why they didn't care about 400+ pastors who prayed and voted....
No they followed after the CID!
THEY FOLLOWED AFTER THE LIE THEY TOLD!
THEY FOLLOWED AFTER THE DIVISION THEY CAUSED!
THEY FOLLOWED AFTER THEIR OWN GREED!
You and your leaders make me sick!
MORON!
M.Gallegos said...
You want BIBLE!
THE BOOK OF ROMANS!
IS IT ADDRESSED TO A CHURCH THAT IS IN SOMEONES HOUSE OR IS IT ADDRESSED TO THE CHURCH THAT IS IN ROME?
THE ANSWER IS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK! READ IT...........
factsonly1 said...
To Gallegos,
I didn't know Rome was a church building. be specific, say the chapter and verse.
And I already said they could have had building but that doesn't mean they didn't also use houses. That's how the church began and continued.
M.Gallegos said...
THATS WHY I SAID READ IT!
ALSO SO WHY NOT 70, JESUS SENT OUT 70...
WHY NOT 120...THE DAY OF PENTECOST THERE WERE 120....
WHY NOT IN 2..... IN THE BOOK OF ACTS THEY WENT OUT IN 2...PETER AND JOHN.....
YOU GUYS GET 12 FROM THE BRAKE OFF OF THE G12..............
factsonly1 said...
Galllegos,
The "Strategy of Jesus" that the AA is using doesn't make an emphasis on 12 or even mentions
12. It just uses home groups like in the Bible. Wrong again gallegos.
M.Gallegos said...
ALSO MOSES COULD NOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION THAT ABRAHAM LEAD WITH, AND ABRAHAM COULD NOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION AS NOAH...
AND WE CANNOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION AS THE EARLY CHURCH, THAT IS WHY IN THE CHURCH "HE GAVE SOME TO BE APOSTLES AND SOME PROPHETS ,PASTOR,EVANGELIST,TEACHERS FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS"...........
M.Gallegos said...
ALSO MOSES COULD NOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION THAT ABRAHAM LEAD WITH, AND ABRAHAM COULD NOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION AS NOAH...
AND WE CANNOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION AS THE EARLY CHURCH, THAT IS WHY IN THE CHURCH "HE GAVE SOME TO BE APOSTLES AND SOME PROPHETS ,PASTOR,EVANGELIST,TEACHERS FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS"...........
M.Gallegos said...
SO IN THE BIBLE DAYS THEY HAD HOME GROUPS FOR BIBLE STUDIES?
THE EARLY CHURCH DIDN'T EVEN HAVE BIBLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All they had was THEIR PERSONAL TESTAMONIES, AND WERE FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M.Gallegos said...
And the strategy does focus on groups of 12.
You need to do research buddy!
AND FURTHERMORE, THE AA IS TAKING A TRINITARIAN "STRATEGY" RATHER THEN FOLLOWING THE HOLY GHOST!
M.Gallegos said...
MY NEXT POINT FOR ALL MY READERS IS, THE EARLY CHURCH HAD MAJOR GROWTH, BECAUSE THEY WERE A DAILY CHURCH!
NOT BECAUSE THEY HAD HOME GROUPS!
AND A SIMPLE STUDY OF THE BOOK OF ACTS SHOW! THAT EARLY ON THINGS CHANGED AS THE CHURCH GREW!!!!!!!!!!!!
factsonly1 said...
To Gallegos
We can’t use the same strategy that the first church used?
That’s the biggest BLUNDER you’ve made!
The first church was a model church that “turned the world upside down” it reached multitudes. That’s why we need to go back to that model.
Why do you think we’re called Apostolic?
We are edified upon the foundation of Apostles and prophets Eph. 2:20
Jesus told disciples to teach the church everything he had commanded and the Apostles did.
Just like you’re wrong on this issue you’re wrong on everything you’ve been standing for. You have not the truth you have no foundation.
M.Gallegos said...
fACTS I SAID DIRRECTION!
NOW IN THE BOOK OF ACTS THE FIRST TIME THE HOLY GHOST FELL THE PEOPLE WAITED FOR IT,RIGHT? DO YOU NOW HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE HOLY GHOST?
M.Gallegos said...
fACTS I SAID DIRRECTION!
SO THE EARLY CHURCH ALSO BELIEVED THAT SALVATION WAS FOR THE JEWS ONLY,
AND WHEN THE HOLY GHOST FIRST FELL YOU HAD TO WAIT FOR IT, DO YOU MR FACTSONLY1 BELIEVE THIS FORMULA TO BE CORRECT?
factsonly1 said...
Gallegos:
Now you say the early church didn't have Bibles, what a Blunder? They used the Old testament.
Why do you think paul said "all scripture is inspired by God, profitable to teach, rebuking, correcting..
What scripture? according to gallegos they didn't use Bible!
Paul told Timothy "study to show yourself approved"
Study what Gallegos.
Strategy=direction and you say we can't go same directions as apostles, now you're teaching heresy.
M.Gallegos said...
SO SHOULD WE WAIT FOR THE HOLY GHOST LIKE IN ACTS CH.2 YES OR NO?
factsonly1 said...
The Holy Ghost is here Mr.
And I feel the Holy Ghost now!
We don't need to wait it's here, ask for it.
What does that have to do with my points?
I got you now!
M.Gallegos said...
THE POINT IS THINGS CHANGED!
IN ACTS 2 THEY WAITED FOR THE HOLY GHOST, THEN WHEN IT FELL IN SAMARIA THEY ALSO HAD TO WAIT FOR PETER, BUT IN ACTS 10 THE HOLY GHOST FELL WHILE PETER YET SPAKE!
THE EARLY CHURCH DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD WAS DOING, UNTILL ACTS 15 THEY HAD THEIR FIRST "CONVENTION" TO DISCUSS WHAT GOD WAS DOING BECAUSE OF THE GENTILE CONVERTS! UP UNTILL THEN THEY THOUGHT GOD WAS RESTORING THE KINGDOM TO ISRAEL! BUT IN ACTS 15 THEY REALIZED GOD WAS CALLING A PEOPLE FOR HIS NAME SAKE "THE CHURCH"...SEE MY POINT? THINGS CHANGED! THE CHURCH MOVES FORWARD...........
M.Gallegos said...
WHAT HAPPEN FACTS?
LETS KEEP GOING!
THE EARLY CHURCH ALSO WANTED THE GENTILES TO FOLLOW THE LAW OF MOSES! SHOULD WE ALSO FOLLOW THE LAW OF MOSES?
YOU KNOW ONLY A MORON WOULD BELIEVE THE CHURCH SHOULD GO BACK WARDS!
THE CHURCH IS A MOVEMENT, AND IT MOVES FORWARDS..........AND ONE DAY UP-WARDS............
July 11, 2008 12:34
M.Gallegos said...
YES! I AGREE, LAME!
TO SAY THE EARLY CHURCH HAD OLD TESTAMENTS! A STUDY OF THE SCRIPTURES WILL INFORM YOU THE SERIOUSNESS THE JEWISH PRIEST PLACED ON THE TORAH! THE TORAH WAS WRITTEN ON BIG SCROLLS THAT TOOK ALONG PROCESS TO BE COMPLETED...COMMON PEOPLE DIDNOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE TORAH YOU COULD NOT JUST GO AND BUY ONE, THE WAY THEY HEARD THE READING OF THE WORD WAS BY GOING TO THE TEMPLE AND HEARING THE RABBI'S TEACH...
I CANT EVEN PICTURE PETER AND JOHN GOING TO A HOME GROUP HOLDING A BIG SCROLL.....WHAT THEY DID HAVE WAS THE HOLY GHOST!
PAUL HAD ACCESS BECAUSE HE WAS A PHARISEE, IN FACT IT IS SAID HE WAS NEXT IN LINE TO BE THE HIGH PRIEST.....HE WAS EDUCATED BY THE BEST OF HIS DAY....PETER COULD BEARLY READ OR WRITE....
Ok, if anyone cares to compare my comments with "FACTSONLY1" I'd like your feedback--AFTER this I dont care to go in circles...
NOTE: I pasted the comments so there would be no miss quoting....
Hola a todos,Mi estimado y adorador del chorizo Teclas, sientate un Rato y piensa que tu mesa directiva jamas les ara caso porque tu gente sige pensando que vaciando toda la biblia y sonando que se hacian milagros, se soluciona la situacion pos esta camaron mi muy hijo de tu pu..ramadre
Que los no se que pedro dse nosotros los catolicos como te digo no me quiebro tanto la cabeza chuparosa.
Solo voy de ves al ano,mi querido adorador del chorizo,
no soy religioso ya te lo dije simpley sencillamente me confiezo le digo al padre hoy me acoaste con la mujer de un compa que ni siquiera conosco y ya me dice reza tantas aves marias y por dos dias no tomes agua y listo..
De los cerebros de nosotros los mexicanos hijo de tu rechi..grande madre no te metas con eso de los cerebros que te dan una calienta,sabes tu quien fue tomas edison?.o cuactemoc blanco,sabes tu porquien comen todos tus lideres y tu,pos nomas por los de piel canela dijo talia.
ha y con lo que medices de las copias, pos ahita ya sabes no tienen capacidad de ser creativos todos tus paisanos,Digo porque malverde y todos los que ocupan algun puesto a nivel general han de ser estadounidenses o no asi como tu.
bueno ya se que a ustedes jamas les aran caso los de su .md.pero facilitame el telefono de ellos y te dejo saber que paso.ya lo sabes a ustedes jamas les aran caso porque todavia suenan con moises.y a sabe que tantos ams nombres mencionan aqui.
BUeno si no contesto hoy es porque voy a salir a tapachula chiapas, pero cuandpo regrese o encuentre computadora les escribo saludos a todos.
Att El Pestayo..QUE VIVA MEXICO..
Quiubas a todos ya levantense.dejenme saber algo de lo que pasa con ustedes, Chamacones del senor de las tierra o tinieblas.
Bueno ahi estamos en contacto Att El Pestayo..
QUE VIVIA MEXICO.
Gallegos, you're a freekin' idiot.
Looking at all the time stamps of your posts, it seems that you have no life other than this stupid revolution.
Geeze, get a life, already!
1. You have no power..
2. You have no authority..
3. You have no influence..
4. You have no followers..
5. You have no game plan..
6. You have no leadership..
7. You have no sense of the big picture..
8. You have no LIFE
9. You have no ethics
What you DO have is:
1. An internet connection
2. Elementary Bible Knowledge
3. A Rock for a Brain
4. A following that consists of a bunch of rebellious little kids that have never had a true encounter with the Lord.
5. A foul mouth
6. A chip on your shoulder cause your pastor got jacked
7. A serious attitude problem, which probably stems from YOU NOT GETTING VOTED IN AS SOMETHING in you past.
8. DUDE, YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME ARE COMING TO A CLOSE REAL SOON, SO ENJOY THE ATTENTION FOR A COUPLE OF MORE MINUTES, CAUSE YOUR A NOBODY!!!
what did the Jr's not vote you in as their president?
what did you wife get blocked when she tried to run for re-election as dorcas president?
what did you dad or grandpa get pulled as a minister or pastor cause he had a rebellious spirit just like you?
All I can say about Scotty is....dude, your the real Devil
Henry,
For the first time, somebody actually made me laugh out loud!
"Question:
What do you call a Cell Group Lead By Obispo Presidente Sanchez?
Answer:
A Sleeper Cell..Zzzzzzzz..."
That's freakin' hilarious!
God Bless You!
M. Gallegos:
I read some of your debate with only1opinion, I mean factsonly1, and have come to the same conclusion that GodisJust did.
I am convinced that facts only 1 has been planted by one of two entities. Either the GB planted him to distract us from the real objective of R4J, (that is: how can we create an effective, planned protest at the 2008 convention?), or:
Satan is using him to distract us from the real objective of R4J.
I have noticed that all only1opinion does is take two or three words out of context, twist them around, use scripture in the same way Satan did when he tried to tempt Jesus, and distract us from our real mission.
Our real mission is to either put an end to the shenanigans of the GB that have been going on for the last 30 years, or create something new and fresh that is based on love for the lost and integrity among ALL members of the church.
Could you imagine the 12 having secret meetings about who they were going to appoint for such and such an office?
Jesus didn't even make it a secret when he said, "Have I not chosen you 12, and one of you is a devil."
My advice to you and ALL R4J:
IGNORE factsonly1's ATTEMPTS AT DISTRACTING US FROM OUR TRUE MISSION.
FACTS ONLY 1 IS TRYING TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF OUR CONVERSATION.
LET'S FOCUS PEOPLE!
HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THIS MORE THAN JUST A CAPPING SESSION?
WHAT IS OUR PLAN?
WHAT IS OUR TIMELINE?
WHERE AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO MEET FACE TO FACE AS A GROUP?
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GO PUBLIC AND FACE THE AA (Not to be confused with the GB which we know would be a fruitless meeting) WITH OUR RALLY CRY?
God Bless You All.
P.S. Let's make this our new canned response to factsonly1:
GET THEE BEHIND ME, factsonly1!
Skotty:
As much as I have my reservations about you, thank you for the valuable information you provide. I have been trying to get a solid handle on all of this, and it is very difficult for me since I am not an insider like so many bloggers seem to be (where the heck to these guys get all this information?).
I appreciate the solid information. It helps me see things much more clearly.
Hey, what's with the creepy looking masquerade masque? It freaks me out dude!
God Bless You
To All R4J:
Thank you M. Gallegos and all those who joined the conversation about the Estrategia de Jesus. Your comments have exposed it for what it really is: an attempt to compete with the Mexican AA, and an attempt to eradicate small churches in the name of Mega churches.
It's also rooted in some really scary crap!
Thank you and God Bless You.
This is to all you so called Men of God, I think that all of you who are bashing your leaders and using vocabulary like eddie has, could learn a few things from your belief in woman keeping silent in the church, you all could learn a few things. I am so suprised of the fruit that is being displayed here.Jesus said "YOU who is without sin" The last I heard from the good book is that" for all has sinned." God has placed leaders to handle the mis deeds of those in Leadership, Let them do there jobs and pray for restoration, unity and peace. I as a woman cannot respect the comments that you men have made it embarasses me, it sounds like the taste of revenge and power has found a sweet savor in your mouths, what happened to edification,comfort,exhorting and Love? I hope none of you have an oppurtunity to lay your hands on me!
Snoopyd
Again, I apologize for not responding sooner. I'm not as savvy as others on this blog.
Going onto our conversation regarding the spiritual gifts...
That was a very interesting sermon you mention. I agree with the founder in his words. Our youth are well prepared yet some (not all) need to tap into the spiritual realm a bit further. What I believe it comes down to is actual "faith". In order to exercise your gifts it is vital to believe!
I do not believe that today's church is less gifted I believe that it has yet to reveal itself in that manner. With things like the current situation happening, our youth are easily distracted at the same time trying to find themselves in the world.
I agree with your last statement: "I'm down with some gifts such as healing, and prophecy, as long as they're not over "exhibited," but interpretation of tongues for me is one of those that I'm not so sure about."
However, I believe that interpretation of tongues is a very delicate gift. It can be taken out of context or someone can manipulate themselves into believe they have the gift when they might not.
I hope your days are being blessed and it is good to see your posts on here!
Lets all meet. Time, place and date?
Like the french "Undergroud fighting the Nazis(AAGB).
r4j is dumb
Seriously dude, wow out of all the idiots that are for the this gb you are the king idiot! Do us a favor PLease don't post again but instead go play with traffic!!!!
While you are at satans right hand R4J will stand and fight for what is right!!! When you fall I will laugh and then maybe pray for you or not!! And please go study your spelling "freekin'n" WOW the only dumb one here is YOU!!!! The only reason why SCOTTY and M GALLEGOS and others on this blog are getting some much hate is because the devils demons are trying to bring the REAL MEN OF GOD down yet they stand strong and doubtless!!!!
SCOTTY< M GALLEGOS AND OTHERS KEEP GOING!!!!!!!!!!!
I would like to remind everyone that our battle is with Satan and not one another. Did the GB do wrong? Yes, 100 times YES!
When we start falling into the enemies trap of using foul language or bad attitudes this does not edify and at the same erodes the little ground that has been reached via this blog.
I would encourage everyone to keep their eye on the goal.
May God continue to bless each of you that are in the struggle!
phantom
"When you fall I will laugh and then maybe pray for you or not!!"
UMM....
I think that that the battle is already over....PLAINTIFF's LOST
You all are fighting a no-win situation; so just go home and accept it.
Or don't go home, go to Henry's house and you all can sit in his basement planning all your dumb little prostests that lead to NOTHING
Seriously, you all remind me of dumb raider fans, who are still crying over the tuck rule.
Your childesh, woodchuck-boy scout group will do nothing but cause yourselves pain and frustrations because if God was truly behind the revolution, you would have won the lawsuit, right?
But you didn't and your mad/upset over it. I get it, I mean if I stood for something and it too fell apart, i'd be butt-hurt.
but geeze, save yourself some money/time/energy, and just GET OVER IT.
and another thing, i'll post whatever i want.
Hola muchachos,ya ven se estan dando cuenta que todos estan como son asi que ni para que pelear.son Idiotas.estupidos,sigan creyendo en sus Lideres.
Agan lo que yo catolico a mi manera primo,y si no le gusta al padre de mi pueblo o Iglesia pos ni modo,detodas formas acepta mi limosna ,eso cuando la doy.que les digo esta muy canon.senores la situacion aqui en guerrero o esres narco o Burocrata o te mueres de hambre..Bueno .
Esta es la situacion de ustedes ya descubrieron su nivel Brabo por todos.sus pensamientos filosoficos y teologicos no balen para nada ninguno se pone de acuerdo.
El unico que los puede sacar de este atoyadero es<
Baldemar rodriguez..Mendoza.Torrez.Rodarte.
Avila.Villegas.Solomon.Rodriguez, Tiene carizam.Mendoza.Caracter y Convencimiento.Torrez es BUena honda.Rodarte Educacion prepartacio experiencia.Avila Polifacetico.
Viyegas muchas ganas de ser algien en la vida y tiene jente que lo sigue.Solomon pos tiene contactos y Sabe de su polaca..
Ahi los dejo senores.Que Viva Mexico.Att Su cuate el pestayo,
Well from what we hear Sanchez and Pacheco’s demeanor changed as soon as Torres walked in if they are so secure that they have won why did they become nervous? You do not have to believe me ask any of the other leaders that where at Jesus Strategies find out for yourself.
To Apostolicanalyst / July 11 10:27 p.m.
Well, as we all knew or expected that pastors only listen to the explanation that was given on Friday by the GB as to why they dismiss the four pastors.
As for what I know they also explain that Bishop Solomon had wrote a letter in trying to reconccile but they feel that Baldemar problably convince not to give in; that is not true.
On my information Valverde encourage Solomon to write a letter to him so he could present to the board and return him the building. But, when valverde and his wife went to Denver for the the "heeling procss" and he (valverde) made no commitment to Bishop Solomon or wanted to include the other three on the deal. So, the notion that Bishop Solomon what trying to cut a deal for himself is not true and he wrote the letter because valverde encourage him to do it.
What valverde offered was a three month probation, were Pastor Solomon would not be the pastor at his local church and after the three month only God really know what they (GB) were going to do with him. Well, we also know they were going to give nothing to him, ni las gracias.
As for Brother Torres he arrived close to noon and join the brothers and sisters on "Estrategia de Jesus" and you could see a few surprise faces. On the afternoon meeting they made sure to emphasize that the following day only bishops and pastors were allowed to the meeting.
As for the meeting on the Estrategia de Jesus many pastor gaved positive comments about it, well they also did about Raodmap. Next administration will be something new and more positive comments.
On my last note, Martin del Campo has a personal driver. Well in reality is his brother (otro familiar) I wonder how he is going to get paid?
Bueno no me despido sino hasta pronto companeros. Que siga la lucha.
Atentamente,
Panchito
Do any of you practice the laying on of hands on the sick? My church doesn't allow us to lay our hands on the sick even though it is biblically referenced.
Our church practices it, but only the Ordained Ministers are allowed to do it. From my experience this is what the entire Apostolic Assembly practices.
I have been in UPC services and Apostolic Assembly services. I have witnessed both anyone can lay hands on people and Ordained Ministers only. I prefer the AA style just because it seemed like anyone and everyone was laying hands on one another at the UPC service.
Maybe, I should not have been focusing on this, but I was very uncomfortable when people that were just doing crazy things before the service are now laying hands on people. I guess I just don't understand that.
Layng hands. Of course its bible. Jesus comissioned the 70 to do so. Paul cautioned Timothy not to lay hands suddenly or hastily. This implies that it was practiced. As an Ordained Minister, I practice it. I don't believe any and everyone should do it, but I also don't think it should be limited to Ordained Ministers.
Layng hands. Of course its bible. Jesus comissioned the 70 to do so. Paul cautioned Timothy not to lay hands suddenly or hastily. This implies that it was practiced. As an Ordained Minister, I practice it. I don't believe any and everyone should do it, but I also don't think it should be limited to Ordained Ministers.
The thuggish and retaliatory actions of the AA DGB only validates and shows that it's all about money, power, greed and that it follows mafiasos protocol. The other reasons is for the AA pastoral body to be afraid, quiet & in "silencio hombre"
I call this fear DS control,
or in other words the status quo, aka A.P.C = Apostolic Pastoral Complacency. no lie
R4Jisdumb
Um first this battle is never over common sense!!!!!!!!!!!
seckond maybe we will go to henry's house and it kills you that you won't be invited loner!!!!!
Does anyone know if Baldemar is out of the hospital yet? We heard it was complications due to his diabetes.
Apparently the stress of the last month and being fired from the AA has taken its toll on him.
Did you notice the picture of Sanchez in the video. He is also a diabetic.
These men should be in peace considering their state of health.
Let's pray that they come to their senses soon.
To Pancho Villa....
Thanks for your response. It was informative, keep it up.
and by the way I did not misspell second the k just jumped in lol don't for a split second think Im dumb like you!!!!!!
-Hey Everyone!
it's been a while since i've been on. Can someone fill me in on the chisme?
Oh! and btw! OMG!
Lies from hell!!!
Pastor Baldemar is NOT in the hospital!! He hasn't been in the recently either...
It's been a while and I've been a little out of the loop but SOME things never change... (i.e. some ignorant people speaking out of their posterior)
God is Just:
I think one of the reasons we don't see a whole lot of faith is because we have become so empowered. Most people today don't realize that, just a few centuries ago, in regard to the healing of life-threatening illnesses, the medical profession was viewed as mostly a quackery. People who went off to med school were considered nut jobs. Now we have become dependent upon our doctors to heal us, and we go to Jesus when all else has failed.
In regard to possible demon possession, we now have psychologists who label us bi-polar and schizophrenic.
For people who are discouraged, we have happy pills, and more and more clergy are recommending that adults take the happy pills. Whatever happened to the joy of the LORD?
It is true that science has increased, but we cannot allow the Church, especially new converts, to think that Jesus has somehow diminished.
People wonder why our local church has so many revivals every year. I wonder why we don't have more. It's not that the church is dead, but the Faith of many, believers and unbelievers, is dying. Some have a form of Godliness, but they deny the power thereof. That's why they turn to "Encuentros" and sensational experiences. If the Church (members) would cut loose their faith just a little more, they'd see God move in supernatural ways.
Just last month a couple shared with me how they hadn't paid their tithes. All of a sudden, things started breaking all over the house. Not little things either. The husband reminded the wife that God said, "I will rebuke the devourer for thy sake," if they would pay their tithes. The next paycheck, the couple paid their tithes, plus half of what they were behind. The next day, they receive a refund check for overpayment they had made on a hospital bill. It was the ram that was making it's way up the other side of the mountain that got caught in a thicket. When God says he will provide, He will provide.
Let's go back to praying and fasting for our local church, our Pastor, and our local church leaders that our church may experience Him in His fullness. Let's also pray that the Lord will give our pastor direction to take a firm stance on one side or the other of this issue with the GB and his good friend Baldemar.
God Bless You.
Pastor Valverde has served in many areas of Christian ministry including Founder and Principal of the San Ysidro Apostolic Church Academy, Teacher at Texas Bible Seminary, and writer for the Apostolic Expositor, the official Sunday School study guide for the Apostolic Assembly. He also has a BA in Theology from Latin American Theological Seminary in La Puente, CA In 1990
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OK.. so i got in here late... but... i read this...
1. You have no power..
2. You have no authority..
3. You have no influence..
4. You have no followers..
5. You have no game plan..
6. You have no leadership..
7. You have no sense of the big picture..
8. You have no LIFE
9. You have no ethics
Was That Aimed At The "Godly Boys"?
Just wonderin...
R4j is dumb...
SO.. Do You Want a COOKIE for ur name or sumthin?
SO ... you came in here on the attack...
sorry but ur not gonna get a rise out of me...
Btw way to act like a Christian...
BUt W.E. Your Words Reflect Not Only You... but Your Parents and your Ethics.
Congrats... On what? idk Make sumthing up...
Does your church allow you to baptize new converts?
I've been reading some of your comments and I'm curious about your revolution. How is this revolution going to change your local church?
To all revolutionaries of INJUSTICE,
You are defeated.
Have you had any real victories?
You Revolutionaries of Injustice have no authority or power to do absolutely anything.
You Scotty please change that mask, it makes you seem demonic, your voice in the video already sounds demonic.
To all revolutionaries of Injustice,
This Sunday when you go to church, I hope you repent.
Ask the Lord to cleanse that foul mouth and mind of yours, that you use to insult people. Otherwise how can you worship God with that same mouth.
Hola a Todos.especialmente a mi gran creyente en Dios.
Fijate que es una pagina para expresar tus puntos de vista y no de tratar de coregir,a cuaklquier arbol torcido.Digo a los de tu directiva.
Respetos a los pastores que ven este blog, pero por respeto no dicen lo que realmente sienten.
Es Todo por el dia de hoy Siganse echando Tierra MUchachos yo los Obserbo.
Estan cada dia peor chamacones.
QUE VIVA MEXICO.
ATT EL PESTAYO.,No el pesudo
The mask sounds demonic? You watch too much TV.
Satan, the demons have enticing voices. Thats how they are capable to Convince people to sin.
I dont think they look like Hellboy either. Their effect is horribly ugly though.
You hermanos getting on Skotty for the demonic voice need to stop watching TV.
All of you should focus on winning new souls to Christ. Focusing on an organization is just what the devil wants everyone to do. Just an fyi. Every organization has it's problems.
factsonly1
Hey dude I saw you the other day!!!! I went to the circus and to my surprise I saw you there in a leash holding one banana!lol So thats what the 1 stands for. I also saw your trainer give you a Maxim mag and you took it with delight. SO thats where you get your facts.
Oh and I'm not sure if theyll let monkeys in at church but if they do I recall you using moron in one of your post so please you too repent!
I was struck by the words of these men, who united against the oppression they felt in their day.
1776
We hold these truths (facts and the word) to be self-evident, that ALL MEN (pastors, ministers, members) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable RIGHTS, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness—That whenever any form of Government (fill in the blank___) becomes destructive of these ends, it is THE RIGHT of the PEOPLE, to ALTER or to ABOLISH IT, (fill in the blank___) and to institute new GOVERNMENT, laying it’s foundation (which to us is Jesus) on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness, Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Government long established should not be changed for light and transient causes (whenever the king or powers feel it is in their interest) and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, that to right themselves by abolishing the form to which they are accustomed (it’s not form or fashion our salvation is sent by God suits me just fine).
But when a long train of ABUSES and USURPATIONS, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute DESPOTISM <-look it up), it is their right, it is their duty, to THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT, and to provide
NEW GUARDS for their future security---Such had been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is not the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of Government. The history of the present King_______< fill in the blank, is a history of repeated INJURIES AND USURPATIONS , all having the direct object the establishment of an ABSOLUTE TYRANNY, over these states. To provide this, let the facts be submitted to a CANDID WORLD (let the church understand, my people perish for lack of understanding)
peace
on
earth
Good job guys, Uneducated Mexicans pretending to be radicals. Keep going please, this site gives me a good laugh at work.
Para todos mi paisas, yo propongo un nuevo nombre para la clica de la MD. El nuevo nombre es "Chupa-Iglesias" como en chupa-cabras! Ya que les gusta sacar la vida de los Pastores y congregaciones, jactandose de lo que hacen, dejando los edificios casi vacios, por no decir vacios!
Que tal? Les gusta, si o no! Dejenmelo saber para reportarlo al IRS.
Y para el Pesta-yo! Como te va paisa en tus vacaciones? Te fuiste a misa? Espero que a lo menos el cura te perdono algo, y si no le hubieras dado una "mordida" debajo de la mesa.
Any-guey, cuando regreses a Califas, te tengo un chorizote tamano Tejas! Banate antes de salir por favor!
Viva el Chorizo... y cuidado con los chupa-Iglesias!
Me despido como los valientes - Ayyyyyy!
To my Idiot-Apo:
I hope this one gives you a "long-laugh"! I'm only on this site for the laughs and roller-coaster ride!
Some of you in here need to chill and heal! This is just a site to vent, nothing more, nothing less!
Peace-out! ...cause I can already see the stones coming!
Any insiders out there?
Somebody needs to tell the Web-slave at Rancho Cucharota to update the website and post something more interesting cause it is boringggggggggggggggg!
Looking back at my previous post, I think I just hit a "gold-mine"!
I wonder how many currnet Pastors within the AA are being honest and "giving Caesar, what is due to Caesar"... You want to start something of "Titanic Proportions" and long-term repercussions, well guess what? Thomas Edison just switched the light on!
"WOW"! Chorizo!
To Henry, I like your idea were we can meet; maybe the aposticanalyst can join. I sure do not know how this can happen or what benefit this would bring, but is worth a try. Present some ideas and let see were this can lead us. I live near El Monte y me dicen El Cucuy.
Viva La Revolucion ! ! !
P.D. Pestayo, si quieres unirte y darle en la mazeta a los pelones; bienvenido. Se me olvido no tienes GREEN CARD, te consigo un coyote!
I guess I'm on a roll!
While I was viewing the AA website, I thought it interesting under the tab PASTORS, this is what I saw:
Pastors are those ministers who have the calling to shepherd God’s flock. Any minister who assumes the responsibility of pastoring a congregation, large or small, for a definite or indefinite period of time, shall be responsible before God and his superiors for the souls of the believers under his care.They will instruct their members in accordance with the Word of the Lord regarding their faith and obligations towards God and the Church
(Hebrews 13:17).
Did you see that? ...definite or indefinite period of time...
I also read ...responsible before God and his superiors! Who are the superiors? If they are the superiors, who is their superior? Ummmmmm!
Hola muchachones , no calzones que luego luego se quieren quitar del lado.
Bueno mi teclas quey-tu lo seras y el chorizo pos sige sentao, esperando que me bane, que delante de ti si bas a saber como es el chorizo.echale ganas a tu preferencia religiosa, y lo de mas ahi te dejo.
A Pancho viya pos solo consigeme coyote, dame la informacion y el prousimo mes ahi nos vemos,
Obio me uno a la revolucion que se tienen encontra de sus directivos,solo consigeme el telefono de ellos, ya que he llamado a los telefonos que aparecen en el directorio de este blog en Informacion y nadie contesta..,
AY NOS VEMOS PELAOS..QUE VIVA MEXICO.
ATT EL PESTAYO
Pesta-Yo!
Por favor llama al nayn-juan-for, tu-faiy-aiyht, seven-tree-sikz-juan. Alli sera contestada tu llamada por una maquina y dejas tu mensaje rapido - guey!
Si te vas por juaritos, no necesitas coyote! Solamente es de pasar por el "tunel estrecho" pero necesitas perder unas cuantas libras "gordo" porque estas muy grueso!
Tambien hechale muchas ganas porque por alli me dicen que hay muchos alacranes.
Si logras pasar, te espera un "chorizo de armadillo de primera clase", a la entrada de Pasitos.
Como dicen los del DF: "El que traga mas saliva come mas pinole"
Orale! Chorizo! Vivan los gordos! Que vivan los de La Revolucion del siglo pasado! Vivan los feos del DF! Que Vivan los gordos!
Tu pesadilla por vida - El Teclas!
Does anyone have any updates on the situation in Denver with Bro. D. Salomon? Last we heard he didn't take the offer of probation from the Dictators. Basically we heard they wanted him to "sit in the corner" at church and take his punishment for three months THEN they would consider what to do with him. I think the Dictators are all about humiliation to anyone who dares stand up to them.
pancho villa said...
"I sure do not know how this can happen or what benefit this would bring"
my point exactly, your idiot group of
R4J - Rebellious Jokers have:
no authority,
no power,
no influence,
no one who is stupid enough to stand with you.
Think about it for a minute, don't you think that if no pastors have tried to make contact with you or call you or encourage you to "keep up the good work" by now, does that tell you something?
that your dumb little boy scout club has lost its sail, lost its steam, AND LOST ITS CASE IN COURT, you have no victories to boast about. Just losses...
Hey you guys all Clipper Fans too?
haha
About D. Salomon. Heard that Malverde went and took his wife along to see how much of a man he is.
Can you believe it goes and does Sanchez's dirty work and takes his along his wife to watch.
He must be feeling pretty manly right now.
Rambo...
"I think the Dictators are all about humiliation to anyone who dares stand up to them"
Or they could be about restoration?
Hey, on another thought, whatever happened to all the other 20 pastors that you guys "claimed" were going to get axed too?
Great going guys....
Not only are you a bunch dumb kids, you are off on all your information too.
Well, i guess the laugh is on you now because now you have nothing but just a bunch of dust.
Unless your dumb enough to spend your Mall Job Money to travel to every major service to stand in front with signs and cameras.
R4Jisdumb
said to m gallegos
What you DO have is:
1. An internet connection
2. Elementary Bible Knowledge
3. A Rock for a Brain
4. A following that consists of a bunch of rebellious little kids that have never had a true encounter with the Lord.
5. A foul mouth
6. A chip on your shoulder cause your pastor got jacked
7. A serious attitude problem, which probably stems from YOU NOT GETTING VOTED IN AS SOMETHING in you past.
8. DUDE, YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME ARE COMING TO A CLOSE REAL SOON, SO ENJOY THE ATTENTION FOR A COUPLE OF MORE MINUTES, CAUSE YOUR A NOBODY!!!
Its funny how you said this about M gallegos yet you take the time to write to someone who has a rock for a brain! What does that say about you? let me put it in easy words! The ONLY ONE THAT HAS A ROCK FOR A BRAIN IS YOU!!!!!!!!
R4JISDUMB SAID...
"Think about it for a minute, don't you think that if no pastors have tried to make contact with you or call you or encourage you to "keep up the good work" by now, does that tell you something?"
Yeah... um We Try To Keep That INfo in the Circle... We ARE NOT going to post any info about pastors who have talked to us/encouraged us/backed us up...(which MANY have My Friend...FYI.)
We Wont Post that info Simply Because Of People like you ...
THE people that are just on here to SPREAD THE CHEESE...
sO THANKS ... BUT your comments are not needed...
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU KNOW NOTHING OF R4J...
-SKOTTY
btw...
i thought that the AA ORg Didnt wANT THEIR MEMBERS affiliated with ANY BLOGSPOTS... AS THEY PUT IT...
SOME1 LET ME KNOW IF IM WRONG... BUT
DOESNT THERE SEEM TO BE ALOT OF AA MEMBERS ON HERE DEFENDING THE
"Godly Boys"?
so im thinkin bout it like this...
Dictator Says Not to do something..
Followers Still DO it...
Followers disobey Dictators.. NVM/
Followers Disobey OLIGARCHY..
Followers Defend Actions OF The Oligarchy...
am i missing n e thing here... or does the AA HAVE NO CONTROL OF THEIR MEMBERS ANY MORE?
-SKOTTY
It appears that the witch hunt for the plaintiffs has wound down with the head of Baldemar.
Maybe all that Sanchez wanted was to get Baldemar out of the way.
It is understood that some of the board members and pastors did not want to go along with him but did not dare go against him.
They are terrified of him and say that no one can reason with him. He has sole and full authority and the rest of the board are his puppets.
Now the serial lynchings have stopped, getting rid of Baldemar and possibly Salomon seem to have calmed Sanchez down.
The other 25 pastors that are on the side of the plaintiffs seem to have gotten a reprieve. They must be breathing a little easier now.
Maybe now Sanchez can turn his attention to finishing the remodel of the house he took away from the Romeros that left their son homeless.
R4j is dumb...
SO.. Do You Want a COOKIE for ur name or sumthin?
SO ... you came in here on the attack...
sorry but ur not gonna get a rise out of me...
Btw way to act like a Christian...
BUt W.E. Your Words Reflect Not Only You... but Your Parents and your Ethics.
Congrats... On what? idk Make sumthing up...
To all,
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing" Edmond Burke.
CBG
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." Edmund Burke
how interesting the youtube videos where..and i would like to say for all the ppl that "supposely" got kick out of church, you didnt get kick out, its your choice to leave. you got it all on camera "remember" lol! and honestly how dare ppl( i mean "christians") talk back to men of GOD..
ooh yeah and remember...i'm a u.s citizen and i have a right to speak up. lol lol
Rambo,
Pastor Salomon's church is doing great!! we had our first service yesterday at our new building!! and let me tell you the church was PACKED!!!! this church is A LOT smaller than our former church, so we had to bring extra chairs... We had a GREAT time... Pastor salomon had a lot of support!!! and thanks for everyones prayers!!!
That is really great to hear! Go Bro. Salomon and his faithful loyal congregation!
As I have noted before of course the members are going to follow their Pastors because they are the ones who have been with them through thick and thin, they are the ones whom they have called upon day and night for their spiritual and personal needs.
Faithful and loyal members know who to appreciate. Your Pastor needs you now as you have needed him in the past. It is time to stand by him for the glory of God's work.
God bless all of you.
yeah i'm glad most of our members were faithful!!! and yes your right, members are going to follow their pastors... because they have been there for us... and now they need more of us than anything else! But yes thanks for all the prayers =)
lilkid said...
"how interesting the youtube videos where..and i would like to say for all the ppl that "supposely" got kick out of church, you didnt get kick out, its your choice to leave. you got it all on camera "remember" lol! and honestly how dare ppl( i mean "christians") talk back to men of GOD..
ooh yeah and remember...i'm a u.s citizen and i have a right to speak up. lol lol"
#1... your name says it all...
#2... if some1 changed the lock on your house... would you consider that kicking you out of your own home?
#3...read up on the 2006 elections...
#4... Return after you read the part about the votes not really counting...
#5... post something like "Hey he only got 2 votes?"
#6...Read up on Edward Pacheco...
#7... Wonder "WOW! How is he a Man Of GOD?!"
#8... read up on court case...in depth...
#9... Read up on cid and constitution...
#10... watch videos again... and then come back...
-Skotty
Haha, is it true that the GB asked Bro. Solomon to show-up to the meetings & he was a NO SHOW?
hey scotty?
being that you secret society organization (AKA 4 Rebellious Jokes) is all but dead...
1. Scotty
2. Rambo
3. Carlos
4. Henry
I think that you guys should work as civil rights activists', sorta like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpen.
Any time that there is an "issue" go and stick you fat overweight heads in front of the cameras.
Because again...
you have no power
you have no influence
you have no following
you have no support
FYI - i'm only on this blog because i think that its funny to see you act like your capable of actually doing something...
Your slogan should read
"We are getting ready, to get ready, to get ready, to do something. We don't know you, but we are def getting ready"
FYI - i pulled my last comment because I miss-spelled some words. :)
btw...
i thought that the AA ORg Didnt wANT THEIR MEMBERS affiliated with ANY BLOGSPOTS... AS THEY PUT IT...
SOME1 LET ME KNOW IF IM WRONG... BUT
DOESNT THERE SEEM TO BE ALOT OF AA MEMBERS ON HERE DEFENDING THE
"Godly Boys"?
so im thinkin bout it like this...
Dictator Says Not to do something..
Followers Still DO it...
Followers disobey Dictators.. NVM/
Followers Disobey OLIGARCHY..
Followers Defend Actions OF The Oligarchy...
am i missing n e thing here... or does the AA HAVE NO CONTROL OF THEIR MEMBERS ANY MORE?
-SKOTTY
ll,
that i'm not sure about but no whether they asked him to show up or not he didn't go..
R4J IS DUMB ( I WANT A COOKIE) SAID...
"Your slogan should read
We are getting ready, to get ready, to get ready, to do something. We don't know you, but we are def getting ready"
You have NO IDEA how happy your statement Makes Me Feel...
cuz that is the EXACT message we wish to DISPLAY outside our CIRCLE...
so if you believe that then I NOW KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE "Godly Boys" Are THINKING THE SAME THING!
THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME HAPPY AND HELPING R4J.
;)
-SKOTTY
Bro. Abel Torres went! The GB thought they were hallucinating.
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