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- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
*Not 2006 Election related
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I can understand your point of view. Sources tell me, it was your Pastor Adam Lopez, along with a couple of other pastors, that voted to oust the Pastors on the "oust" list. So the words from your mouth do not decieve you because your position is clear. I do not believe your naive, I believe you are just plain ignorant.
You seem to be quick to anger. This is your first day on and you're already arguing. You tell a member of Dr. Baldemar's church to leave, hmm just like someone for the GB that's in the AA. Try to get rid of someone quick so they don't have to deal with them.
Why did you come on in the first place when you mention you know you're going to get negative feedback? It's almost as if you're looking for a fight.
Your ignorance reveals your conceit. Just another young man that thinks he can preach to the world without seeking the counsel of God first. Being a young minister, don't you think you're going out on a limb for the GB? Then again, you know you will get a chance at a position on the GB in the future, because as everyone knows... you only need two votes and that's a fact!
To all those of you who think this is a game, its not!
If you think this is going to stop,
its not!
If you think we're here to fight, you're RIGHT!
My name is MIGUEL GALLEGOS, and I am against this gb 100%...
THEY DIVIDED THE CHURCH!
THEY WERE UNETHICAL!
THEY LIED TO 400+ PASTORS!
THEY HURT THE CHURCH!
YOU CAN BE A COWARD!
YOU CAN KISS UP TO THEM!
THIS GB IS THE ENEMY!
THEY ARE NOT THE CHURCH!
WE ARE THE CHURCH!
YOU SIDE WITH THEM, YOU TOO WILL BE THE ENEMY!!!!
TOO MANY ARE WANTING TO BE CIVIL, THAT MEANS WAIT TILL CONVENTION 2010! I SAY NO! WE FIGHT NOW!
THERE IS NO ROOM HERE FOR APPEASERS! WE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH YOU!
YOU WANT PEACE! STEP DOWN!
WE'RE FIGHTING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!
WE'RE FIGHTING FOR THE CHURCH!
from the aa press release
"This is written with a saddened and burdened heart. On Tuesday night, the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus (“AAFCJ”) world headquarters building was vandalized. It is unknown who did this but it is being investigated by the police."
from an inside source at the hq... there was no such thing as vandalism done as they spun it. poor gb their building got "vandalized"
who ever did this act used paint balls on the building and wrote some graffiti on the archway that leads to the hq. it goes to show you what the diploma from la puente means in terms of proper word usage
hey gb members, vandalize means to maliciously destroy no such thing occured
your press release also fails to address the court's ruling on the cid, it is unconstitutional
GodIsJust,
I am sorry if I seem "quick to anger" but I am going to leave this blog once and for all. As these notes just seem to fire us up.
and from the very finger tips of MIGUEL GALLEGOS,
"If you think we're here to fight, you're RIGHT!"
YOU SIDE WITH THEM, YOU TOO WILL BE THE ENEMY!!!!
this is not a webgroup that I care to associate with.
I pray for unity, strength, and humility to all.
This is the Voice from the North, signing out.
"Angels fly because they the take themselves lightly"
(only a northern sports fan would get that comment)
TO THOSE OF YOU WHO, SAY PRAY ABOUT IT!
IF SOMEONE COMES TO YOUR HOME, AND KICKS YOUR WIFE AND KIDS OUT ARE YOU GOING TO PRAY ABOUT IT?
IF SO, GET OFF THIS BLOG! THIS BLOG IS NOT FOR YOU! COWARDS!
AND DONT COME BACK UNLESS YOU COME CORRECT!
AND DONT COME BACK WITH ANOTHER CODE NAME!
Well, Well, Well,!! Let's see if there is going to be any drama at the "Jesus Strategy"- 07-10-08!
Hmmmm,,,...........................
There is no court in this country for men like those on team "Godly Boys"
Strong Believer in God,
Why does the fact that i know the constitution/cid offend you? Why is it "injecting fuel?" I merely speak PURE TRUTH, straight from the Horse's mouth.
Why don't you study these documents? Why don't you educate yourself? PROVE ME WRONG, or at least try to.
VoiceFromTheNorth:
What you are saying is that the Old Testament is no longer valid and we should disregard it.
You are saying that God's law is imperfect. Wow.
WOW voice from the North didn't even last a day?
So did Setec ever make a point?
Pancho Villa, Henry, Carlos, M. Gallegos, or anyone who knows:
Could you please enlighten me on this "Estrategia de Jesus?"
Sorry, I'm not an insider, but I would like to know what exactly the GB is planning
Thank You, and God Bless You.
God is Just:
I'm glad you're not quite gone yet. Hopefully you've stuck around long enough to get this blog.
This is quite a bit off the subject that others have been blogging about, but it is something that you mentioned a couple of days ago. It' about exercising the gifts.
I remember a sermon by Richard Maffey a while back about a visit he paid to a founder who was on his sick bed. The founder told the National Youth GB that the difference between the Apostolic Ministers of old and those of today is that the new ministers are great preparation, but they have no power! The founder told the NYGB that people used to pray for everything in those days, from cars to dogs, and God would answer their prayers.
Do you think that today's church is less gifted or powerful than the church of old? In what way?
I'm down with some gifts such as healing, and prophecy, as long as they're not over "exhibited," but interpretation of tongues for me is one of those that I'm not so sure about.
Snoopyd, you still there?
Skotty and Co:
Where is convention going to be this year?
Where is the protest going to take place?
What day?
What time?
Who is going to be in charge?
Who is going to speak?
How long is it going to last?
What is going to be the slogan/message?
If we are going to protest effectively, that is, bring about change, we cannot expect to do so with short term, good-for-the-camera thinking and planning. Remember, convention is only four months away. This peaceful protest must be done in a way that is going to attract the masses so that they can listen to our message and see that we're not just a bunch of carnal crazies. To coin a phrase, which mouse is willing to put the bell around the cat's neck?
God Bless You
snoopyd,I can answer your fisrt question but its kinda long though..
M. Gallegos:
If you've got the info, I've got time.
k, just give me afew min...
I'm going to the corner store. Need some essentials. I'll read your post when I get back.
God Bless You.
The Strategy of Jesus friendship groups...
Simply put, its home bible studies, you pick people of leadership to head a "friendship group" or "cell group" to meet once a week in a home...Because people are more willing to go to someones home then there church...Once there you give bible studies and fellowship afterwards...They say it was Jesus's strategy because the bible says they went from house to house, and God added to the church daily...Sounds very simple right?
However the question is where did this strategy come from?
There is a man by the name of Cezar Castellanos, He's out of Colombia...He began his church with 6 members and in 6months his church grew to 6,000! Using this method...He says that while walking on a beach God told him this was the way his end-time church would grow! Bringing people to your home and winning them over with love...What he calls this "doctrine" is G12, 12 being the number of biblical governmental perfection, the idea is Jesus took 12 deciples and pourd himself into them, they in turn had their 12 and those 12 their 12 and so on...The problem one of many, is the bible does not say the 12 deciples had their own 12...So that refutes this already, furthermore the letters in the New Testament are addressed to the church that is in Rome,Thessolanica ,Cor....There was some that said to the church that is in the house of so and so ...But its a fact that there was a central place of worship, meaning a building etc...
What Cezar Castellanos teaches is a guild line for new converts, within a month or two they must go to a "Pre-Encounter" now there are many forms of these things...Then there is a "Encounter" next a "Post-Encounter" and last another "Encounter"...Some people make these to be merely preaching confernces, in some parts of the world the're really crazy...What takes place in some of these is for example....I had issues with my father and hes gone now but I have not forgave him for somethings...They will pick out someone from the group and say, for the next three days this will be your father, you guys must talk and work it out...So you talk about it and make up and come back and your healed...But true healing comes by the power of the holy ghost not the mind!!!!!!!!!
This is really big in Latin America and Spain...Cezar Castellanos is a charismatic trinitarian...Even though he says God gave him this revalation its a lie...It started in the early 1900s in Spain by a Spanish priest named Jose Maria Escriba de Balaguer...
be right back!!!!!!!!!
This Castellanos guy must have gone to an Amway convention before he went to the beach.
It's the same network marketing strategy that all Multi-level Marketers use.
So is the GB planning on putting out this fire via the Jesus strategy? Or is the Jesus Strategy just a distraction from the fiasco?
Jose Maria Escriba de Balaguer was a Catholic priest who started a secret society called the "Opus Dei" in order to be a member you had to go though four stages...Thats where this idea of "Encounters" comes from...They teach that even if you were baptized filled with the Holy Ghost but had never been to an "Encounter" you're not saved...
In Latin America they are really deep into it, they do blood sacrifices and all kinds of crazy things...Here in USA its not that bad...They'll do preaching confrences but its the method that is the same...The Assemblies of God,(trinitarians) have ex-communicated all ministers who practice this doctrine...Because its a false doctrine...No matter what level you practice its still false doctrine and no Apostolic should be envolved...So the strategy of Jesus friendship groups came from G12 which came from the Opus Dei....If more Pastors would turn off their tv, they would get an anointing and start praying people through!!!!!!
You wouldn't need a strategy because God will give the increase...
No the Jesus strategy is the "cell group plan" bring souls to your home win them over then bring them to church and get them involved...
sorry didn't read the question right, its just that churches that practice this doctrine do grow really fast!!!!!!!!
So to them its a form of evangelism...They think that just practicing part of it is not bad...Problem is you move away from the Holy Ghost and into the psychological...Its kind of like being hypnotized...And lets face it hispanics love this kind of stuff, non-American hispanics that is...This has snucked into the church I did alot of research because I know of alot of Apostolic churches who practice this doctrine...Infact there was a minister who I was showing him documentation that his pastor was apart of this doctrine needless to say he did not believe me took the doc's "to research them" and never brought them back! So I cant pull this pastors covers because I dont have the facts on him anymore, but the guy minister said he's going to bring them back so we'll see.
I have alot of info on this, you can also go to www.bolainez.org
these are trinitarians who refute this doctrine...It will blow your mind!!!!!!!
Anyway to answer your question, its either or....
Another thought.
They are strategizing rather then relying on God, ie their faith is in human methods rather then the power of the HOLY GHOST!!!!
This doctrine is so easy to refute, its totally non-biblical...
When ministers preach about "Having a true encounter with God" thats a sign...
Because they are not preaching the Holy Ghost they're preaching mystical stuff, just study what they're saying you'll see.
The Holy Ghost is a true encounter with God! And the more you pray in the spirit and read the word you will become more like him (GOD).
You dont need these "Encounters" that they preach...Some I'm sure are just preaching what sounds good or what they heard someone else preached, but this is real heavy stuff and many are preaching it...Its the new thing! And new converts will convert through the foolishness of preaching (thats by the word of God, for it is written "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God")not by human methods ie strategies...
You can also look up Cezar Castellanos, his church is now at 600,000.
That says alot!
There is a big difference between church growth and a church that is swollen, now thats not healthy!
These aren't the same guys that have a barf bucket for the bad spirits, are they?
Let's look at this from the GB perspective. Here's the Gb12:
1) We could triple the size of our congregations
2) Tithes of tithes would be record amounts
3) The AA could afford their own Lear jet
4) The congregations could buy lots of buildings so the value of the corporation would soar
5) The GB would leave a legacy they could pass down to the next generation. When their children take over as board members they will inherit a well oiled machine
6) Since things become psychological, no one will expect anything spiritual
7) The mega buildings in place, like Fontana's Funtime or Truth, would be able to sell franchises
8) By pouring yourself into only 12 people, you'll have more time for Cancun!
9) It's always great to be at the top of the food chain - especially in a Pyramid scheme - can you say Pacheco?
10) Once we get this thing going, it will be easier to sell Mona Vie! Tunguska blast!
11) Our tape/cd ministry would be busy selling all of the preachings we 'borrow' from other preachers
12) By the time everyone figures all of this out, we will have changed the title on all of our buildings so we can take them with us when we leave.
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
And btw, Great info Gallegos!
soo teetime,
any news!? since you apparently know so much.... or are u scared to admit you have to eat your own words!?
Can we hear from our brothers and sisters from Bro. Salomon's church? We are praying for you. God will see us through all this. God Bless.
M. Gallegos: Very informative! But what about Pastor David Yonggi Cho? The introduction mentions Dr. Cho. I have a copy of the Strategy of Jesus friendship groups book. It never mentions Cezar Castellanos.
RAMBO,
PASTOR SALOMON'S CHURCH IS DOING GREAT! THANKS FOR YOUR PRAYERS!
Someone quiet someone feared will be attending the 1st Strategies of Jesus Conference today on this very year. They have tried to shut him up as well as throw him out while stripping him of everything that by the grace of God he has gained. Rest assured just as our Lord Jesus Christ rose again from the dead so shall these men who stand for justice whom Satan thought he could slain will come up again because of the upright spirit they have maintained. The blood that was shed for those who walk in his likeness with no blemish or shame will prevail as “more than conquerors” through Jesus Name.
Sure, little ones. Be patient.
M. Gallegos
Many Apostolics don’t know how to preach. Yes they preach mystical not revelational. In the Apostolic Assembly we teach people how to live by their senses instead of the word of God. Ministers use the bible to launch a sermon, but they land in error. Why? Lack of biblical training. In the Assembly, we preach for experience not for maturity.
Bro. Abel Aguilar, once again for the sake of old friendships and God's grace I come to you to ask you WHY?
Why have you forsaken your brother? WHY?
You know Brother, in all this there is one thing that truly hurts me in a very personal way. Brother, Abel Torres did not ask to be involved in this mess. Why oh why did you all involve him? He did not have aspirations for high positions on the board. All he did was work hard in the district and assisted in matters with the board as asked in recent years. He was just fine doing God's work until Bro. Sanchez came knocking and asking him to be a part of the election process. Why, Brother, did you all mix him up in this mess knowing he was not a so-called (gb terminology)"yes man"? Why didn't you all just leave him alone? And WHY are you all now trying to crucify him for speaking out and standing up for the wrongdoings that all of you committed? Why Brother? His mother's heart is breaking, Bro. Abel Aguilar, she is 79 years old, she's worked so hard for God's church all her life. Are you just going to continue on this course? Are you, Brother? WHY????
As usual I don't expect an anwer from you. Your actions will speak louder than words.
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M. Gallegos:
Thank you for the info. It gives a whole new meaning to Christian Cell Groups.
How anyone can say that the baptism of the HOly Ghost is not a true encounter with God is beyond me.
Even Paul talked about having a central location for worship when he encouraged the brethren to forsake not the assembling of the saints.
NOw I understand why some bloggers have been having discussions about mega churches.
Funny thing. A former member of my church once said we need to document everything we are doing so that we could do it repetitively so that we could experience greater growth (as if a congregation of 900 wasn't large enough)!
When I told him that our church has always grown regardless of what we've done, he gave me a puzzled look and remained silent as if God needs a formula for a church to grow.
Hank
You have a pretty good sense of humor. Keep it up. LOL
Rick Warren documents a great way for continued church growth - Let God do it!
Can you make a child grow with a plan? NO. You can feed, clothe and nurture, but nothing you do will make him/her grow. That's God's role and His alone.
All we need to do is keep the church healthy. God grants the increase.
At present, there is a huge headache in the AA as the 'head' of the organization is seriously ill. The illness is like Lupus - they errantly attempt to destroy the healthy parts of the body.
He's here! The quiet and the most feared by has arrived.
Apostolic_insider said...
He's here! The quiet and the most feared by has arrived.
I hope they let him in!!
I doubt they allow God to move anywhere near there.
Silently he comes to be in your midst
He is not alone for the Lord is beside him
He comes as a silent protester.
He is praying that the Lord touches you,
That he softens your hearts and allow God to reign
Once again for the good of our Church.
They who have done so much wrong
And caused so much pain to us all.
Please Lord, guide him and be with him as he tries
One more time to bring peace through your grace.
TEETIME,
"I am related to poeple deeply inside..."
IF THATS SO HOW COME THEY HAVENT TOLD YOU WHATS GOING ON!?
oh and apostolic_insider and two vote,
what are you guys talking about!? i'm confused!!!! lol whose going in to where!?
to, Strong Believer in God,
Your quote, "...Difference of opinions does not give anyone the RIGHT to OFFEND men of GOD. Wether they are wrong or right! We are all humans and not perfect , and we all make mistakes in one point of our lives. But that is only for GOD to judge us and not MEN!"
Here is a thought for you, Strong Believer in God. Why not apply your reasoning to the GB!!! Why don't you admit their wrong and say, "...Difference of opinions does not give anyone the RIGHT to OFFEND men of GOD (Torres, Avila, Rodriguez, Salomon). Wether they are wrong or right! We are all humans and not perfect, and we all make mistakes in one point of our lives. But that is only for GOD to judge us and not MEN!"
As I see it, you are as bias as everyone else! Oh and one last suggestion. Why don't you ask your Bishop/Pastor and your church to pray for thse men to STOP their nonsense of closing churches and removing pastors like it's nothing. More lives than just the pastors are being destroyed.
Why not pray for the casualties of the local congregations. I know for a fact if the GB was doing that to your pastor and church you wouldn't be so biased.
haha, if you must know one of the plantiffs had the guts to crash their party. You should have seen the GB's expression. Quess who it was "Pastor Abel Torres from Midland, Tx.
Pues ke, post the cheese bro....
HAHAHA...
OH REALLY!?
OK I GET IT... NOW I UNDERSTAND =) LOL... ARE U IN THAT CONFERENCE THING TOO!?
Hahaha, sorry I can't say still rolling with laughter!
apostolic_insider,
fill us in!!!!!!
Where is teetime? Join us for a good laugh.
Apostolic Insider
So what happened? Why did Pastor Torres decide to go to the conference?
As far as I know, Pastor Torres is still part of the Apostolic Assembly...They are not independent yet...
Snickers, your quess is good as mine.
Ok, well somebody has to know something...He had to go for a reason.
Man, Pastor Torres has some guts to show up like that...May God Bless him and give him more...
Pastor Torres must still be trying to give it one last shot to intervene...Hes not afraid to show up because He knows he has done no wrong...
Is it a CLOSED meeting for pastors only?
Hmmm, maybe need to head to LBC and crash the party....
Get the video cam Skotty!!
And where's Freeking Bella? No Youtube updates?
Wasn't it already stated somewhere that the DGB was trying to remove the God fearing Pastors aka Plaintiffs before this conference?
They didn't want anyone there to be able to answer an questions about the 2006 (S)election process.
Good luck DGB! the one who showed up is ABEL!!!
WE need to start getting a "Mole" from the inside so that we can get all the good details...
I think the YOUTUBE videos took the first major step in making things public...You guys keep the ball rolling...We need a CNN 4 Apostolicos!!!
Go! Henry Go!
Shake Bro Abel's hand for me!
Hey V-Day
We know that it was Pator Abel Torres who showed up but what we want to know is for what reason???
Is this a last attemtpting at trying to salvage the Assembly???
What happened at the meeting??? Anyone know???
You know what?
Hey People figure this one out in Scenarios. Pastor Torres would not fly all the way from TX just to speak his mind. Like Snickers said there is a reason for him being there. He either had to have been invited by the GB or request to be present (in this case his invitation be granted). Let's face it. He's a God fearing, he's not going to just show up and cause a disorder!!! You all with me so far???
He, it looks like Eddie Pacheco just joined!!!
Why is he going by the name of Juan?
Snickers said...
We know that it was Pastor Abel Torres who showed up but what we want to know is for what reason???
Is this a last attemtpting at trying to salvage the Assembly???
I can't honestly say, but he is a man of integrity. His presence - not to deify him - will certainly throw a wrench in the plans of the DGB.
I'm sure they have a contingency plan in place awaiting his arrival since he is still an AA Pastor. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to exercise a termination of his pastorship while he was there on 'their turf'.
Whatever the case, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall there!
Hopefully the Pastors present have not already been brainwashed into thinking the DGB are operating in good faith. I believe that was the plan of this activity.
You know what though, really and honestly...The Apostolic Assembly is full of DRAMA...
I mean look at this blog, the letters, our conferences, our preachers, bishops and all these things...
Its nothing but drama...All the while people are being lost in a dying world...
We preach Evangelism, we talk evangelism, we give conferences on evangelism but the sad truth is that we are not growiing...
Very little grow exists outside the "Big" churches...
I mean come one lets be real, have you guys ever experienced were the say...Bro. So and So has so many members at his church, say 400 then when you go to their church its like...Where the other 300???
Has that ever happened? I mean did 300 people decided to go on vacation at the same time?
Our numbers are inflated, are heads are big and are egos need some checking...
We talk and yell about being from the Assembly, but really what is the Assembly good at? I tell you what they are good at making conferences and even then its a failure...
We have very few preachers who can really preach a message that edifies, restores or brings a sinner to the feet of Jesus...Mostly its yelling about nothing, doing a little Praise break and then we all go eat at Dennys...
GOD DEMANDS MORE FROM US! He demands more than just religion...I dont care what side you are from...what we need to do is repent and go back to serving God with faithfulness, trusting in His word and what HE has done on the Cross...
Preach the message to the lost! Give a bible study, pray hard, live life with a fervent spirt and always remember to fear the Lord and to keep his commandments for this is the end of all man!!! Eccl. 12:13
UPDATE!
Word has it that Pastor Torres when he got there went up to the front and requested to speak with President Sanchez, He asked President Sanchez if it was okay for him to be here...
Something is in the works, does anyone else have any updates please let us know...
Anyone have an idea how man pastors showed up in Long Beach?
They have been trying to dismiss him for about two to three weeks already but they could not because of the Restraining Order...
By the way the violated the Restraining order when the sent a letter to dismiss him therefore it was not legal...
That means that Pastor Torres is still part of the Assembly and os is his church...Someone with inside news please let us know why he went...
Come Again...
Please spill the beans we know that you are "closely" related to Pastor Torres...
I told you, He is a man of order!!!
Strong Believer in God said...
FOR YOUR INFO
AT LEAST NOT BY THE LIKES OF YOU
IN OTHER WORDS YOU ALL NEED TO GET A LIFE AND MOVE ON!!!!
Did any1 ask u? why r u here? Is this your life?
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
,i estimado pancho villa estamos iguans ranas, tu en espanolo y yo en ingles y lo demas.
Referente a malverde pues es su bronca,pero deque la estan calsoniando la estan calsoniando tanto tu como toda la bola de igrnorantes.
queriendo solucionar las cosas de tu amada Iglesia es en vano ya cambiense a otro mobimiento,
catolicos mormones ateos. o elque se pero tu iglesia ya valio burger.
att.El Pestayo.
Que viva Mexico.Cab.marones
Juan
I'm not spilling any beans until they're good and ready! Then we shall all eat. Some will enjoy them and some may choke on them.
P.S. So why are you poking peoples butts? You mad?
come again said...
Juan
I'm not spilling any beans until they're good and ready! Then we shall all eat. Some will enjoy them and some may choke on them.
P.S. So why are you poking peoples butts? You mad?
July 10, 2008 3:02 PM
Hmmmm,yum,yum!! It smells good come again!! What do you think?
I was trying to let everybody know last night about the party being crashed by Br.Torres but had to keep it on a low key so everyone would be surprised at the "Jesus Stategy".
Para Pestayo:
Si en verdad te consideras Catolico Apostolico Romano, te deberia dar verguenza criticar nuestra Iglesia. Puesto que la iglesia Catolica es la mas corrupta del mundo y todavÃa sigues alli. Nos llamas ignorantes y enganados pero los catolicos han sido enganados por siglos, los ninos violados por sacerdotes por siglos, las monjas violadas, los sacerdotes la mayoria son homosexuales y depravados, y los Papas se pudren en dinero y nunca ayudan a los pobres, son billonarios.
Mejor arrepientete y lee la Biblia para que en verdad conozcas a Cristo y deja de estar contando chismes (mentiras) aqui de hombres que ni conoces y deja de sembrar discordia entre los hermanos y causar divisiones que esas practicas Dios las aborrece.
To Scotty:
You asked how E. Pacheco ended up in the GB according to Const. and CID?
That's very easy to answer, the same way he ended up in the Board as Secretary of Foreign Missions when you hero Baldemar Rodriguez was in Charge. He sent him to Chile after the accusations all expenses paid as missionary and allowed him to be in the GB for eight years when he came back. If in fact (which I don't know)he should have been taken out it's your hero's fault. If in fact E. Pacheco is as evil as you say he is and BR closed his eyes to it, no wonder your hero is is getting what he sowed.
How's that for your hero?
To all basher of the CID,
Let me remind you, Baldemar R., D. Salomon, and company allowed and voted to approve this doc.
It was passed through the Bishops, the GB and all the pastors, and your heros never spoke against it in 2005.
I agree this doc. needs to be changed but the above mentioned should start by confessing they blew it. It reminds me of J. Kerry "who voted for the war before he voted against it" or something like that.
Right on Onguard, I truly would like to hear how B. Rodriguez would answer those questions.
factsonly1 said...
To all basher of the CID,
Let me remind you, Baldemar R., D. Salomon, and company allowed and voted to approve this doc.
These are facts assumed not in evidence.
1) Did you ask them if they voted?
2) Were you there to witness their vote?
3) If they voted, did they vote against? abstain?
Not saying they didn't, but please if you're going to call youself 'factsonly1', at least make sure you can validate your facts.
Give us a break little sammy
The fact is none of these pastors stood up to oppose the CID in the 2005 convention, that's guaranteed.
The vote is just done with a raise of hands, but anyone who opposes is given the opportunity to debate.
Do you not think that if they would have oppossed it, they would have already mentioned it and made a big deal about it.
I was there.
HoLA a todos.para factolinous o come te llames,
Ya lo dije como dos veses Con nosotros los catolicos,cometemos pecado y nos confesamos y ya a la que sige,que el padre x o el cura x se metio o violo a las monjas estamos de acuerdo,simplemente sele castiga al padre que lo cometio.
se pone a otro y listo jamas te he dicho que no tenemos esa clase de jente,
la tenemos y tambien monjas violadas embarasadas y no lo ocultamos ni mencionamos partes biblicas para defenderlos.
solo seles pone por otro lado y la fiesta continua.
y si soy catolico,es eleccion mia como tu de tu denominacion ya echa quezo.con hombres que onestamente no tienen escrupulos como tu.pancho villa .henry y valverde.zanchez..prado.aguilar.y toda tu mesa directiva.
no te niego lo he mencionado varias veses de los herores de los curas de la iglesia catolica..
y si menciono de los nombres de tu denominacion es porque los he conocido precisamente en este blog si no quieres que sepamos los catolicos desus problemas no escriban nada de nombre y haslo por senales de humo.
pero sabes que pueda que los conosca mas que tu.
no en persona pero si por los escritos de todos ustedes y me doy cuenta que son unos desconsiderados con toda su organisacion, y sus miembros.que es lo mas Importante que alcabo uno que,pero las criaturas uno como quiera pero los ninos a ellos quien los va a mantener..
otra cosa.de leer la biblia y echar el caballo como lo asen todos aqui mejor leo a condorito.o kalima. no mejor a memin pinguin.para no aplicar la biblia a mi maneracon todos los metodos teocratiocos .que padre se escucho no se que quiere decir.pero la aprendi de uno de ustedes en ingles que tambien dice que en el griego dice sepa la chiflada que...
BUeno espero aya contestado algunas de tus Inquietudes..Recapacita.Piensa.Medita.Estan al borde del precipicio.Cambiense de Organisacion.Ateos.O Catolicos y punto.
A QUE VIVA MEXICO...Att El Pestayo.
Pestayo:
No mas se confiesan y todo esta arreglado? Eso crees tu pero Dios los va traer a cuentas.
Los sacerdotes que abusan a los ninos los quitan y sigue la fiesta, pero para los sacerdotes porque los ponen en otra parroquia donde siguen abusando ninos.
Si tanto te preocupas de los ninos porque no te preocupas de los ninos que son violados por tus sacerdotes que se paran a hacer la misa cada semana. O porque no le mandas mejor escritos al Papa para que les de algo de tantos billones que tiene.
Con quien se confiesan con los catolicos? Con los mismos sacerdotes depravados que segun los absuelven de pecado.
Que mentira mas grande del mundo, que ignorancia seguir perteneciendo a esa iglesia.
Bien dice en Apocalipsis:
"Madre de las rameras"
y
"salid de ella pueblo mio"
Salte de alli Pestayo arrepientete y bautizate en el Nombre de Jesucristo para el perdon de tus pecados, sino la Biblia dice que te vas a condenar.
factsonly1 said...
The fact is none of these pastors stood up to oppose the CID in the 2005 convention, that's guaranteed.
I was there.
You were THERE?!?!?
So this is all your fault!
Two vote:
How simplistic and ignorant you are.
Oh yea is ALL my fault but of course it's not BR, Salomon and co. fault, right?
Just because I said I was there doesn't mean I voted. Any minister, deacon, or even some AA employees can be present. That doesn't mean they voted.
factsonly1
Ignorant is a strong word my friend.
Do you mean to tell me you SAW BR & DS raise their hands to vote? What was your vantage point?
You are truly amazing. To think that three years later you can remember who was present and who voted in favor of CID. Specifically Baldemar Rodriguez & Daniel Salomon. My simplistic mind is having a difficult time comprehending your magnificence. Can you provide us with a list of the rest of the people in attendance? Can I call you Rainman?
Were you the guy in the picture yawning?
I salute your superior mind. I would stand and salute if you could improve your grammar.
Mi querido Pestayo Alcoholico... que diga - Catolico! Cuantas te hechastes hombre? Creo que ya necesitas dejar tu "Corona" paisa! Ya deja la "tetera" y dejate "caer la grena" (perdon por la falta de los herogloficos).
Si todos los Catolicos fueran como tu, pobre de los pobres porque asi estabanos como cuando piscabanos rabanos, unos piscabanos y otros dejabanos! Ha-ha-ha! Que risa y que viva la Revolucion!
Viva Pancho Millas! Viva Emiliano Zapatos! Viva Charcos Salinas de Gortari! Viva la Revolucion Mexsicana! Vivan todos los Paisanos Bananos!
Cuidate Way!
Two Vote
First of all, ignorant means: A person untaught or uninformed.
I'm sorry if that offends you, but if you don't like the phrase, don't make uninformed comments.
Second, Daniel Salomon sat in the platform with all the GB at the time. And I don't remember either standing up to the microphone that is set up to oppose or say any comments.
If Baldemar R. or Salomon would have opposed it, with their influence at the time there would have been a big debate. But they didn't question it.
Also this doc. was approved by the GB and Salomon was in the GB.
Two Vote:
The guy in the picture was from 2006 and the CID was passed 2005.
How funny, yea I was the guy yawning.
Mi estimado ceodomiro o como te llames.ya te lo dije,no niego que los padres curas o el papa esten millonarios y ayan abusado de chavitos monjas y chavas.como en tu Iglesia tambien.
pero pos que lastima por ti y por mi nadamas ellos las disfrutan.es otro tema.
dejalos a ellos me dejas caer toda la biblia pero pos que ganas, ya te analise y de bautisarme en tu denominacion y como dices, pos pa que chiflados.si me ago como ustedes, siempre ignorando las cosas y diciendo o pensando que dios solucionara todo, no papa ahorita es mejor aser uno las cosas con su propia mano, aprende de tus lideres ya ves ellos asi lo han hecho.
y de mandarle al santo padre escritos de los curas que han echo eso, pos ya ves no son tan tontos como para dejarte a ti que escribas campeon.
se normal paisa.piensa las cosas salte de esa religion que tienes estan perdidos todos hombre mas que yo..
Al querido Teclas no nosoy Boracho como tu dices, que lo eras,todo te lo escribo en mi juicio de naturalito estoy en contra de los cuetes.cocainos matihuanos y drogadictos.pero me encanta el dinero del producto.
se disfruta sin mucho sacrificio.solo ariesge.pero pos asi es la vida,
Otra cosa eras rabanero o habanero? seas o ayas sido lo que sea ami no me Importa solo me Importa que salgas de esa denominacion que ya esta frita muchacho.
Recuerda los gallos para la nueva Organisacion..
Baldemar..
Mendoza.
Torrez.
Avila>
Rodarte.
Villegas.
Solomon.
Piensenlo son exelentes Gallos.A Rodrigues me reuerdo que lo conosi en Fuler.El colegio.Yo bendia paletas en la salida..
QUE VIVA MEXICO.ATT.EL PESTAYO
Question 4 all of You Everything the its practice in the AA starting with the oder in the church services like, praise team, ofrenda, acciones de gracias, etc. Where did this system come from?
To: de El y para El!
This practice came from, I believe Article XXXVI from the "Infamous AA Constitution". (LOL)
Pestayo bautizate en el Nombre de Jesucristo para el perdon de tus pecados, como dice la Biblia no lo que digo yo, o la Asamblea Apostolica. Puedes nacer de nuevo para que puedas entrar al Reino de Dios. No dejes que tu alma se pierda en el infierno. Sal de esa religion muerta, conoce a Cristo. Cristo te ama no seas enganado.
Te lo digo de corazon.
factonly1,
who cares if pastors salomon and baldemar didn't oppose to the CID!!! what the gb did was still wrong... cause for pres. and vice-pres. they were taken into consideration for having the most votes!!! yet the other positions were qualified using the CID!! why didn't they use the CID on the pres. and vice-pres.!?
Does anybody know why Apostolic Assembly was named what it is? Answer: Because "assembly needed!"
Just a joke you diehards!
I like what someone said earlier:
The reason why angels fly is because they take themselves lightly!
Shout OUT!
Johnny Cocrane IS LIVIN!!
P.S. A BOMB SHALL DROP sooooooon! (Figuratively speaking... i am no arms dealer... i dont know how to make bombs)
factsonly1,
one more thing...
everyone has there choice to be whatever religion they want. you say his religion esta muerta.. and trying to convince him to be a christian. would you like for him to say the same thing about our religion!? don't judge others religion....
hahaha:
Of course they used the CID on themselves, they and other members of the QB felt they were qualfied.
By the way what exactly do you mean by use the CID on a candidate?
factsonly1,
sanchez and valverde DID NOT use the CID on themselves!!! they only used the votes and were automatically in!!! yet salomon and the other brother had the most votes yet they didn't consider that..... either use ONE or the other or BOTH for ALL EIGHT POSITIONS!!!!!!!!! Not the CID on one brother and on the other brother for having the most votes!!!
"YA DEJEN EL CID" - Si? Por favor!
TO ALL:
Someone in the meeting is wired and we will have video available in the near future!!!!!! We have infiltrated!!! It was not hard at all.
LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga
You obviously don't know who the CID works, which I think needs to be revised.
The CID doesn't call out to not consider the votes.
You still haven't answered how is the CID applied to a candidate?
Skotty Will Show You said...
Shout OUT!
Johnny Cocrane IS LIVIN!!
P.S. A BOMB SHALL DROP sooooooon! (Figuratively speaking... i am no arms dealer... i dont know how to make bombs)
July 10, 2008 7:50 PM
Hello Skotty Will Show You .
Another Revelation at hand!!Be ready people.......
so...
Any1 want those Missing Letters??
Twovote, Brother you said it best!
"Pyramid Scheme" thats exactly what it is...
Az Apostle, I know that in the 1980s Pastor David Yonggi out of Korea was associated with Cezar Castellanos, however he does not fully follow the "Encounters" deal the way Castellanos does...Castellanos says Pastor Yonggi's formula does not work!
Pastor Yonggi's formula does however have a four step time line for new converts...Both are non-biblical...It was in Nicaragua that the fallout took place, mainly because of the blood sacrifices, which according to Castellanos was not his original intent! He however has done nothing to stop these things because they are a big reason for the growth among non-American hispanics!
If You Would LIKE the Missing Letters From Tafoya To D. Sanchez& The gb...
Email REVOLUTIONARIES4JUSTICE@HOTMAIL.COM
BE SURE TO PUT "GIVE ME THOSE LETTERS!"
IN THE SUBJECT...
These Letters Are all In PDF Format, that is How I will Send them in one Big Pdf file.
Also...Last year when convention was over there were Pastors who fell for this "Strategy of Jesus", and forgot about the whole 2006 "elections" deal. One went as far as saying "We're going back to doing things the biblical way, like in the days of the apostles", and the people in his church got all pumped up! He went on to say "we're going from house to house"...So I guess he wasn't biblical before! Yet he's an apostolic...
M. Gallegos & Skotty
Hey were either of you guys at the Jesus Strategy meeting place today? Did you see Bro. Abel Torres make his entrance? Skotty I hope you got some footage. Did you, did you? Come on.
Not me!
. . .drumroll . . .
Has anyone seen Abel Torres???
Oh where, oh where could he be?
WITH THE GB!!!
GET YOUR POPCORN READY!!!
http://docs.google.com/gb?export=download&id=F.2f6d7308-cc3d-4484-b3c1-f8ead16b3d86
Download The Missing Letters Between Tafoya And The gb
M.Gallegos
Hey I figured you would be there. Do you wish you had been? I sure wish I could have been there.
SKOTTY!!!!!
Did you see Abel Torres?
My bad...
Download The Pdf HERE.
http://www.esnips.com/web/MissingLETTERS
I think if I would of been there they would of called the police
on me...
Silence is golden! I'll take that as affirmative.
To m gallegos:
All that research you did, and you didn't research what the AA says about “ECUENTROS”. How pathetic.
In 2005 AA passed unanimously a document banning "Encuentros" any pastor in the assembly having encuentros can be excommunicated.
The Strategy of Jesus was initiated in 2006.
As far as the "Strategy of Jesus" not being biblical is easy to prove wrong, it's obvious you don't read the Bible much.
The first church gathered in houses, they didn't own a buildings. For big crowds they gathered in courts of the temple (which they didn’t own), not inside the temple.
Acts 2:46
They gathered in home to teach and preach Acts 5:42
Jesus visited homes to preach and teach and did healings in homes. Mt.9
Where do you think Jesus had the Last supper with disciples, yes a house.
Where do you think the Holy Ghost came down for the first time, yes a house.
Yes it's Biblical, just because other people have misused it doesn't mean it's not Biblical.
Do better research next time.
where is everyone at? looks like every time I get on here some people just end up "MIA"...
Yeah ... when WE go MIA... the Otherside Attacks... FUnny Huh?
to m. gallegos,
I figured that's the way you would respond since you obviously can't answer in a intelligent manner. Whose the Moron? Name one church at the present time in the AA that uses encuentros.
Ontario tried using it and was warned not to do Encuentros, Baeza tried using Encuentos and was warned to do it again.
Do better research. is that the way all you revolutionaries debate. How moronic.
Also what is your gb doing following trinitarian "strategies"
I thought they were apostolics? They are suppose to be led of the spirit!This mafia style gb doesn't even know how to pray! Much less understand scriptures! Next they'll say the trinity is biblical! And Morons like you will follow!
Bout Time Some1 Told Him... AGAIN... lol
N e WAY u guys like those letters?
i love the responses from the gb..
lol
So N e One KNOW if Sam Will be holding service this sunday?
cuz i kinda thought it was cool with the No Dress Code thing he has goin in...
and i would like him to see this ELEPHANT again... lol
factonly1
If you are correct about ex-communicating the pastors that were involved in doing encounters. Why is Bro. Abel Jimenez the new pastor for San Bernardino church?
Sources tell me he does the encounters, as well as a pastor in Ridgecrest, who derived from his church. This was brought to the attention of Bishop F. Lugo and nothing was done about it.
factsonly1, you're not credible. Good day!
To M. Gallegos:
As far as churches meeting a central place of course they began to have buildings that doesn't mean they didn't use houses to evangelize.
Rom. 16:5 the church was in a house.
Col. 4:15 talks about a church in a house.
The last days of Paul he spent teaching and preaching in a house.
Do you think the church is going to evangelize the world waiting in a church building for souls to come or you think that the church has to go out and look for souls in home. whose the moron now.
Factsonly1....
you should change ur name to
factsonly(ithink)
or better yet
OPINIONonly....?
godisjust:
Abel Jimenez came out of retirement, you must mean David Jimenez. He was reprimanded last year when the District found out he was doing "Ecuentros". The pastor from Ridgecrest was almost taken out. He promised no to do ecuentros again.
Call the General Office and ask what the position is for encuentros or as an AA pastor.
M.Gallegos said...
Also what is your gb doing following trinitarian "strategies"
I thought they were apostolics? They are suppose to be led of the spirit!This mafia style gb doesn't even know how to pray! Much less understand scriptures! Next they'll say the trinity is biblical! And Morons like you will follow!
July 10, 2008 10:22 PM
M.Gallegos,I agree with you about the mafia style GB. That is clearly evident. I am not here to argue, just explain myself. The AA is not the target, its the people inside the GB that are. So with that said, MANY people could get offended and hurt by remarks as "And Morons like you will follow!
Again, no flame intended. The AA has been in a depression level for awhile now and it does not help when it is being cut down more by remarks and that includes BOTH of you. I say this with peace.
I already addessed the churches that were mentioned in the bible, that were in the house of so and so...Thats not the issue! MORON!
The issue is this "strategy" is not biblical! On the Day of Pentecost 3000 were added! By the preached word of GOD!
Be lead of the spirit and follow God not a trinitarian!
This "strategy" is a brake off from the G12! Any level of acceptance of this false doctrine, is a step away from true Apostolic Doctrine! Notice I didn't say AA Doctrine!
By the way your a MORON!
to Gallegos:
Just because trinitarian use something it doesn't mean it's not Biblical. Just because Trinos sing in the service does that mean we cant sing. What a Moron.
Whats so wrong with encuentros that the AA has given the infamous "warning" to pastors?
The pastors should be reprimanded for sponsoring car scams, realty ponzi schemes, making sexual predators ministers, having convicted felons as financial advisors, so on and so forth.
To Gallegos:
In the day of Pentecost 3000 were added, and where do you think they gathered to receive doctrine since they didn't have buildings. And they were forbidden to use the temple. HOUSES!
The Strategy Jesus used was reach everyone, he sent the 12 to go from house to house Mt.10
We are copying Jesus and his strategy to evangelize not Trinos.
Give up you don't have the truth on your side.
the archangel
Very nice post and I agree this is not about the people in the AA. This is about the GB and those that are willing to do their dirty work.
snoopyd
I did read your post earlier and I will get back to you soon. I enjoy a good talk, I just haven't had to time to respond, at my age I can't keep up!
To Gallegos:
You express yourself like a real Christian!
But first you accuse the GB of using cultic practices, now that you been expose and found a liar, that only thing you can say is "they should have been excomminicated".
Peace to All. Goodnight
Factsonly is here,
If you post lies, you will be challenged. I have to go to sleep have a good night.
m.gallegos
Please stop arguing with factsonly1He's not worth it. Don't you understand? You're doing what he wants you to do. You're losing your credibility because the way you're talking to him.
factsonly1
As I said before, you're just not credible, which means you're not worth it. Hold your head up also before it goes under.
Each of you, hold on to what is left of your worth. You don't have to prove yourselves to anyone if you know you're right.
Thats why, if you notice, majority of the time I stop talking to people that try to make me prove to them I'm right. If I believe I'm right, then why should I have to prove it? Everything will prove itself in the end.
Came back to respond:
So far I have proved my points with the Bible (not trinos)
and you have not even mentioned one text to prove you point. That's the practice of Trinos. Are you a Trino.
You want BIBLE!
THE BOOK OF ROMANS!
IS IT ADDRESSED TO A CHURCH THAT IS IN SOMEONES HOUSE OR IS IT ADDRESSED TO THE CHURCH THAT IS IN ROME?
THE ANSWER IS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK! READ IT...........
Phantom:
Another real Christian.
The truth hurst, right!
You speak like a real phantom.
When you don't have the truth resort to insults, practice of revolutionaries.
To Gallegos,
I didn't know Rome was a church building. be specific, say the chapter and verse.
And I already said they could have had building but that doesn't mean they didn't also use houses. That's how the church began and continued.
Facts
Thanks Im glad you realize Im a real Christian:) Can't say the same thing about you!!
And Go back to your post Cause you are pretty good at calling other people morons!
Reporting from Denver
Salomon's church or shall we say BFF circles are doing great...but for the rest of us there is a whole lot of confusion and heartache as we are devastated, divided and abandoned by the turmoil, lies and pride filled hearts in all areas of the past and present AA leadership.
THATS WHY I SAID READ IT!
ALSO SO WHY NOT 70, JESUS SENT OUT 70...
WHY NOT 120...THE DAY OF PENTECOST THERE WERE 120....
WHY NOT IN 2..... IN THE BOOK OF ACTS THEY WENT OUT IN 2...PETER AND JOHN.....
YOU GUYS GET 12 FROM THE BRAKE OFF OF THE G12..............
Galllegos,
The "Strategy of Jesus" that the AA is using doesn't make an emphasis on 12 or even mentions
12. It just uses home groups like in the Bible. Wrong again gallegos.
ALSO MOSES COULD NOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION THAT ABRAHAM LEAD WITH, AND ABRAHAM COULD NOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION AS NOAH...
AND WE CANNOT LEAD WITH THE SAME DIRRECTION AS THE EARLY CHURCH, THAT IS WHY IN THE CHURCH "HE GAVE SOME TO BE APOSTLES AND SOME PROPHETS ,PASTOR,EVANGELIST,TEACHERS FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS"...........
Facts
Of course Jesus wouldn't say that you idiot He is so perfect and Im not but I know whats true!!!
SO IN THE BIBLE DAYS THEY HAD HOME GROUPS FOR BIBLE STUDIES?
THE EARLY CHURCH DIDN'T EVEN HAVE BIBLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All they had was THEIR PERSONAL TESTAMONIES, AND WERE FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the strategy does focus on groups of 12.
You need to do research buddy!
AND FURTHERMORE, THE AA IS TAKING A TRINITARIAN "STRATEGY" RATHER THEN FOLLOWING THE HOLY GHOST!
Facts
OMG you're mentally retarded huh thats why you didn't know Christ woudld never insult someone like that. Aw hun my bad didn't know I was talking to someone challenged!
It seems like Martin del Campo has succeeded in rousing up the Apostolic Assembly to meet in Long Beach this week.
He is pushing Sanchez to stay ahead of the Iglesia de Mexico by getting all the Pastors and churches in the AA involved in this Jesus movement (cell groups).
This is about competition between the Iglesia de Mexico and the AA as to who gets the most cell groups and therefore more Amway members.
They force the people to build and build cell groups and ignore wives, children, families.
My sources tell me that the Pastors are angry because the GB is putting pressure on them to work harder and harder.
The GB isn't working in contructing or building up the churches in the districts. They are busy destroying them.
Seems like the bucket they are trying to fill with the cell groups has holes in the bottom called the CID & GB.
Sanchez and his GB will never catch up with the Iglesia de Mexico. They are working overtime here in the US to create more churches.
They call it soul winning, I call it putting people to work to make money for the GB.
MY NEXT POINT FOR ALL MY READERS IS, THE EARLY CHURCH HAD MAJOR GROWTH, BECAUSE THEY WERE A DAILY CHURCH!
NOT BECAUSE THEY HAD HOME GROUPS!
AND A SIMPLE STUDY OF THE BOOK OF ACTS SHOW! THAT EARLY ON THINGS CHANGED AS THE CHURCH GREW!!!!!!!!!!!!
To Gallegos
We can’t use the same strategy that the first church used?
That’s the biggest BLUNDER you’ve made!
The first church was a model church that “turned the world upside down” it reached multitudes. That’s why we need to go back to that model.
Why do you think we’re called Apostolic?
We are edified upon the foundation of Apostles and prophets Eph. 2:20
Jesus told disciples to teach the church everything he had commanded and the Apostles did.
Just like you’re wrong on this issue you’re wrong on everything you’ve been standing for. You have not the truth you have no foundation.
to factsonly1,
What is it that you're defending now? I lost your point after all the garbage being spewed!
WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
6 You destroy those who speak lies;
the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
How did it happen that Daniel Salomon only got a 3 month probation? Is this true?
As far as I am concerned, Salomon never ousted any Pastors the way Baldemar did, nor did he look the other way when Bishops abused Pastors in the way that Baldemar did during his reign.
Among those ousted under Baldemars reign were Bro. Jose Ortega, he also allowed Bishop David Contreras to oust Ruben Avila from Vista, CA, the father of Saul Avila who was just ousted in Austin TX.
Although Salomon did not help any Pastors or church members who asked for and needed his help, he could not because Sanchez was in his way. He was bold but not stupid.
If it is true that Salomon is staying with the AA, we hope he becomes the President in 2009.
Phantom:
A real revolutionary, that only knows insults nothing intelligent. Of course Jesus teaches the contrary.
All you revolutionaries are been exposed to all, for whay you really are.
Keep it coming!
Facts
Look facts or more like False!!!
Show me from all the things you said what has been intelligent!
All you revolutionaries are been exposed to all, for who you really are.
Keep it coming!
fACTS I SAID DIRRECTION!
NOW IN THE BOOK OF ACTS THE FIRST TIME THE HOLY GHOST FELL THE PEOPLE WAITED FOR IT,RIGHT? DO YOU NOW HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE HOLY GHOST?
Facts
Your guilty heart wished you were as awesome as all of us!!!!!!!!!
fACTS I SAID DIRRECTION!
SO THE EARLY CHURCH ALSO BELIEVED THAT SALVATION WAS FOR THE JEWS ONLY,
AND WHEN THE HOLY GHOST FIRST FELL YOU HAD TO WAIT FOR IT, DO YOU MR FACTSONLY1 BELIEVE THIS FORMULA TO BE CORRECT?
Gallegos:
Now you say the early church didn't have Bibles, what a Blunder? They used the Old testament.
Why do you think paul said "all scripture is inspired by God, profitable to teach, rebuking, correcting..
What scripture? according to gallegos they didn't use Bible!
Paul told Timothy "study to show yourself approved"
Study what Gallegos.
Strategy=direction and you say we can't go same directions as apostles, now you're teaching heresy.
SO SHOULD WE WAIT FOR THE HOLY GHOST LIKE IN ACTS CH.2 YES OR NO?
Phantom:
Oh yea I wish I was awesome insulting revolutionary, going after the way of the devil.
In your dreams!
The Holy Ghost is here Mr.
And I feel the Holy Ghost now!
We don't need to wait it's here, ask for it.
What does that have to do with my points?
I got you now!
Facts
definitely never in my dreams and the only one that is devil like is you and your gb!!!!!!!!
factsonly1 said...
Yes your are real christian! Christ like! Like Jesus would insult another Christian with words like Stupid, and Idiot.
You're still here? I see you still haven't learned to use words properly. I guess I expect too much. At LEAST don't try to make a Christian out of Jesus!! He's the one we're trying to be like!
Unless you're writing about Chuey down the street, saying Jesus would insult another Christian is saying He was one too.
Then you have the audacity to call others simplistic and ignorant
and by the way I looked up ignorant:
1 a: destitute of knowledge or education [an ignorant society]; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified [parents ignorant of modern mathematics] b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence c: knowing Only 1 Fact, but due to dyslexia claims to be FACTSONLY1
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
Well everybody, it was nice giving you a truth smacking!
No more inteligent point coming so,
have a good night!
Facts
You are so childish!!!!!!
"I got you now" lol
Any word on what happend in Long Beach today?
THE POINT IS THINGS CHANGED!
IN ACTS 2 THEY WAITED FOR THE HOLY GHOST, THEN WHEN IT FELL IN SAMARIA THEY ALSO HAD TO WAIT FOR PETER, BUT IN ACTS 10 THE HOLY GHOST FELL WHILE PETER YET SPAKE!
THE EARLY CHURCH DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD WAS DOING, UNTILL ACTS 15 THEY HAD THEIR FIRST "CONVENTION" TO DISCUSS WHAT GOD WAS DOING BECAUSE OF THE GENTILE CONVERTS! UP UNTILL THEN THEY THOUGHT GOD WAS RESTORING THE KINGDOM TO ISRAEL! BUT IN ACTS 15 THEY REALIZED GOD WAS CALLING A PEOPLE FOR HIS NAME SAKE "THE CHURCH"...SEE MY POINT? THINGS CHANGED! THE CHURCH MOVES FORWARD...........
factsonly1 said...
All you revolutionaries are been exposed to all, for whay you really are.
Keep it coming!
July 10, 2008 11:46 PM
Congrats BRO... You Officially Bring NOTHING..NOT A THING...ABSOLUTELY ZILCH! TO THE TABLE...
Thanks for playing but you ARE THE WEAKEST LINK...
You sir/Maddam, Have no Goals, or Objectives in your Posts.
you come on here. ATTACKING PEOPLE... FOR WHAT?
for the "Godly Boys"?
Once Again....
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP
DIRTY DEEDS...AND THEY'RE DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!!!
btw i will not call you any names... because you've already been called out for what you are... yet you still post... so i will leave you with this...
"[Words] must flow out from the heart.
And, when the soul is touched with passion's flame,
We look around and ask - Who burns the same?"
From FAUST
WHAT HAPPEN FACTS?
LETS KEEP GOING!
THE EARLY CHURCH ALSO WANTED THE GENTILES TO FOLLOW THE LAW OF MOSES! SHOULD WE ALSO FOLLOW THE LAW OF MOSES?
YOU KNOW ONLY A MORON WOULD BELIEVE THE CHURCH SHOULD GO BACK WARDS!
THE CHURCH IS A MOVEMENT, AND IT MOVES FORWARDS..........AND ONE DAY UP-WARDS............
Lame...
He Bailed...
lol
im hittin the bed...
YES! I AGREE, LAME!
TO SAY THE EARLY CHURCH HAD OLD TESTAMENTS! A STUDY OF THE SCRIPTURES WILL INFORM YOU THE SERIOUSNESS THE JEWISH PRIEST PLACED ON THE TORAH! THE TORAH WAS WRITTEN ON BIG SCROLLS THAT TOOK ALONG PROCESS TO BE COMPLETED...COMMON PEOPLE DIDNOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE TORAH YOU COULD NOT JUST GO AND BUY ONE, THE WAY THEY HEARD THE READING OF THE WORD WAS BY GOING TO THE TEMPLE AND HEARING THE RABBI'S TEACH...
I CANT EVEN PICTURE PETER AND JOHN GOING TO A HOME GROUP HOLDING A BIG SCROLL.....WHAT THEY DID HAVE WAS THE HOLY GHOST!
PAUL HAD ACCESS BECAUSE HE WAS A PHARISEE, IN FACT IT IS SAID HE WAS NEXT IN LINE TO BE THE HIGH PRIEST.....HE WAS EDUCATED BY THE BEST OF HIS DAY....PETER COULD BEARLY READ OR WRITE....
AGAIN IF YOUR STRATEGY IS RIGHT, WHERE DO YOU BEGIN? ACTS 1? ACTS 2? ACTS 10? 15?
JESUS ALSO FASTED FOR 40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS AFTER HIS BAPTISM, SHOULD WE THEN TEACH ALL CONVERTS THAT AFTER THEY GET BAPTIZE TO FAST THAT LONG? I MEAN IF WE ARE FOLLOWING JESUS RIGHT?
WHAT IS SAD IS THAT THIS "STRATEGY" CAME FROM THE TRINITY...CANT DEL CAMPO COME UP WITH SOMETHING?
THE BIBLE SAYS THEY WENT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE AND GOD ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY! THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THIS PORTION OF SCRIPTURE IS "DAILY" THEY WERE A DAILY CHURCH! THAT IS WHEN YOU WILL HAVE TRUE CHURCH GROWTH! WHEN PEOPLE WITNESS,PREACH,TESTIFY,STEP OUT BY FAITH AND DO WHAT THE CHURCH IS CALLED TO DO....
AGAIN BECAUSE THEY WENT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE DOES THAT MEAN THEIR STRATEGY WAS CELL GROUPS?
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE BIRTH OF THE CHURCH? THE FIRST FEW CHAPTERS OF THE BOOK OF ACTS WAS A NEW BORN CHURCH...WE'RE NOT A NEW BORN CHURCH ANYMORE!
SO THEY WENT TO CORNELIUS'S HOUSE IN ACTS 10,DOES THAT MEAN IT WAS A CELL GROUP?
NO IT WAS A DAILY CHURCH, STEPPING IN EVERY DOOR THAT GOD OPENED!
ANOTHER DANGER WITH CELL/HOME GROUPS IS MANY TIMES YOU ARE VULNERABLE TO A GROUP LEADER WHO TEACHES FALSE DOCTRINE????
OR SIMPLY DIVIDES THE CHURCH!
AND TAKES A GROUP! BECAUSE ITS A PYRAMID....GROUPS THAT COME OUT FROM UNDER YOU, CAN HAVE LOYALTY TO YOU.......
IN CHINA WELL THEY REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED BY THE GOV. TO HAVE A CENTRAL PLACE OF WORSHIP, BUT WE ARE NOT IN CHINA...............
M.Gallegos, Skotty, Factsonly, etc.
All of you blogging late last nite were so intent in going at each other back and forth that you ran right over those calling for help. Come on let's at least give some support here.
time to act
We feel your pain and are praying for you. Trust in God that tomorrow will be a better day and the sun will shine once more. God Bless.
apostolianalyst said:
How did it happen that Daniel Salomon only got a 3 month probation? Is this true?
Yes it is true pastor salomon got a 3 month probation! BUT more than HALF the church walked out because they did not agree! Pastor salomon is too repectful, he didn't do any of that he stood there till the end! Theres much more, but i cant say! All at its time!
god bless!!!
timetoact said:
Reporting from Denver
Salomon's church or shall we say BFF circles are doing great...but for the rest of us there is a whole lot of confusion and heartache as we are devastated, divided and abandoned by the turmoil, lies and pride filled hearts in all areas of the past and present AA leadership.
what do u mean "or shall we say BFF circles"? Our church has a name... El Bethel....
To hahaha,
Are you guys having your church meeting today? Or did you guys have it last night?
Any updates/buzz news about the fact that Dan Sanchez' plan to address all the LB conference attendees about the mess that they have created in their retaliating by dismissing our heroic pastors from their mis-fellowship??!?
God's Kingdom = No assembly required.
Any updates/buzz news about the fact that Dan Sanchez' plan to address all the LB conference attendees about the mess that they have created in their retaliating by dismissing our heroic pastors from their mis-fellowship??!?
God's Kingdom = No assembly required.
cbg,
we had it last night!!!! why!?
Question:
What do you call a Cell Group Lead By Obispo Presidente Sanchez?
Answer:
A Sleeper Cell..Zzzzzzzz...
lol I crack myself up..!!
and what do you call it when Sancheese says the strategy is original?
A cell-u-liar
m.gallegos....I understand you made a comment to facts that the early church wanted the gentiles to follow the law of moses. Well didn't the law prohibit women from wearing mens clothing and cutting of the hair? So is that to say that Apostolics are wrong in their doctrine because the look at the past? I believe that to a certain extent, the law still does apply to today. Look at the Messianic Jews. I believe they are right and we are wrong! We've made this a man's way and not a God's way. Apostolics say women can't preach, teach, or lead men, yet how easily we forget the women of the Old Testament who did just this. Our Apostolic doctrine has put women down and made sure that they are below man. Now I just think that that's a man's way and not God's way. Just a thought.
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