AV
- Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
- Saul Avila - LYNCHED
- Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
- Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
- Arthur Tafoya
- Daniel Jauhall
- Isaac Cota
- Ishmael Arellano
- Julian Aguirre
- Richard Galaviz
- Samuel Arellano
- Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
- Martin Vasquez
- Herman Garza
- Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
- Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*
*Not 2006 Election related
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you said, "In the book of Revelations out of the seven churches mentioned of Asia Minor the one in worst spiritual condition is Laodicea. It is a sinful lukewarm church, rich in money but poor spiritually. This church received the strongest rebuke of Jesus. Rev. 3:14
Well guess what Laodicea means: It means people rule or in other words DEMOCRACY."
You can either face up to your choice of syntax which implies that the church of Laodicea received the strongest rebuke of Jesus because they were democratic and cede the point, or you can be like all the other people who hate being proved wrong and say, "I didn't say those exact words."
Secondly, since you like to reference only concordances, the phrase "serve the tables" in book of Acts has nothing to do with serving food. It meant that the deacons would evenly distribute the economic assitance among the widows of the church.
If you read this in all of its context, you will understand that the Twelve had decided NOT to govern the church, but to dedicate themselves to studying and preaching the Gospel of Salvation. They left the governance of the tithes and offerings (which is basically what governments are elected to do: spend tax money properly) to other SPIRIT FILLED people, so that Twelve could focus on preaching salvation.
Yes, Paul was chosen directly by God, but not to Govern any church. As a student of the Bible, you know very well, Paul was not even a pastor. He was a missionary and an evangelist. He had no political ties. He did not bother himself with the politics of the church. He merely advised those who desired the office of bishop to maintain a squeaky clean reputation.
If Paul were alive today, he would have spoken out against any indiscretions by the church politicians many years ago, just as he withstood Peter to his face, and either they would have listened to him and changed their ways, or they would have excommunicated him.
God Bless You.
PtL loved ones:
I am saddened to learn of everything that is going on with our leaders. But as I read this blog I became even more saddened to read all of the disrespect towards the GB. I know you find yourselves justifying your rudeness by commenting on what the GB is doing but let me remind you of I Samuel 24.
David was in a far worse position that these ousted pastors are. David's life was in danger and even though he had the opportunity he did not dare lift up a finger against the man who had been annointed by God. It didn't matter that God had already rejected King Saul. Let us not make the mistake of thinking that two wrongs make a right.
Let us come together as a church and pray for them if we think they are wrong and allow God to do as HE choses to do instead of trying to tell Him what to do or how to do it.
GbY and may the Lord help us all
Ok everyone lets keep the scriptures out of this because we all can find scriptures to justify our actions, believe me I have many...
facts only 1:
You said,
"3. There is no coincidence in the Bible, when it mentions the church of Laodicea (people rule) as the worst in Revelations there’s a purpose.
First of all, your assertion that it was the worst church in the Revelations is merely your opinion, not a fact.
"The people ruled not God."
More speculation. There is no proof that Laodicea was a democracy. Just because the city next to Ontario is called Chino doesn't mean that it is populated by Chinese.
"I know someone who was fired by the church in another denomination because he was preaching against fornication but since that church was democratic the church voted him out."
Personal anecdotes are not considered facts by any respectable researchers. Everybody knows a story about a single person which they use to try to prove their point.
"Do you see why the governing body of the church cannot be democratic?"
Well that's funny, I thought you supported the GB. They were voted in democratically. Make up your freakin' mind!
Look, Brother, the only fact here is, you're only interested in trying to prove people wrong, not in having progressive, meaningful conversation.
Before you continue to try to make people feel stupid by telling them to get their facts straight, get your head on straight, or you'll keep on contradicting yourself.
God Bless You.
God was not wrong nor his word!
This happened because of carnality!
This happened because man to matters into his own hands!
And because too many cowards who do not want to speak out because of fear allowed this to happen!
man took matters in to his own hands
thats what I meant to say!
cantwealljustgetalong:
Can't you just get a shorter blogging name?
But seriously, careful what you say to me. I'm a little homophobic. Just kidding.
Generation Y, AKA "Generation Next" is the generation that DOESN'T know what it's like NOT to have cordless phones, personal computers, video games, cable TV etc. They have a hard time remembering what it was like not to have a cell phone. You're probably more of a young Gen-X-er.
myi'sronJesus
Otro anonymous rebuke.
Please join me in remembering a great icon of the entertainment community. The Pillsbury Doughboy died yesterday of a yeast infection and trauma complications from repeated pokes in the belly. He was 71. Doughboy was buried in a lightly greased coffin. Dozens of celebrities turned out to pay their respects, including Mrs. Butterworth, Hungry Jack, the California Raisins, Betty Crocker, the Hostess Twinkies, and Captain Crunch.
The grave site was piled high with flours. Aunt Jemima delivered the eulogy and lovingly described Doughboyas a man who never knew how much he was kneaded. Doughboy rosequickly in show business, but his later life was filled with turnovers. He was not considered a very smart cookie, wasting much of his dough on half-bakedschemes.
Despite being a little flaky at times he still was a crusty oldman and was considered a positive roll model for millions. Doughboy is survived by his wife Play Dough, two children, JohnDough and Jane Dough, plus they had one in the oven. He is also survived by his elderly father, Pop Tart. The funeral was held at 350 for about 20 minutes. If this made you smile for even a brief second, please rise to the occasion and take time to pass it on to share that smile with someone elsewho may be having a crumby day and kneads it.
Now that is funny!
When David was called to step up and kill Goliath, he did. David was bold.
Faith without works is dead.
Prayer also requires action, ke he no?
Ok I didn't want to, but here it is...
Ahab the king of Irael, husband of Jezebel was he in God's will?
Nathan the prophet who rebuked King David, was he out of God's will for rebuking the king of Irael?
Paul! Was Paul out of God's will for with standing Peter the chief Apostle?
And dont say withstood is not rebuking, read it! They went at it!
I'm typing too fast,please forgive me I meant ISRAEL....
Because I know some of you are just waiting for any little thing to say your stupid!!!
But lack understanding in everything else!
As you can see, we all can find scriptures to justify our actions...
Here's a thought (The GOOD, THE BAD, and THE UGLY):
Salomon, Daniel
Torres, Abel
Avila, Saul
Rodriguez, Baldemar
Abel Aguilar
Artie Espinosa
Daniel Sanchez
Eddie Pacheco
Victor Prado
Ismael Martin del Campo
Leobardo Maffey
Sam Valverde
Just like Eddie to be right in the middle of the AA DEVILS!!
M Gallegos -
Hey can you write and respond to yourself again? It's sheer genius!
It looks like you had a great conversation with yourself in the last 3 posts you made. Here is an idea... Think. Write. Read, Re-Read, Re-write, Re-read.. think some more then post.
Also, go ahead and wait until people respond to your posts rather than posting a comment in response to your own post. Example: "As you can see, we all can find scriptures to justify our actions..."
SeTec Astronomy said...
M Gallegos -
Hey can you write and respond to yourself again? It's sheer genius!
He's showing how to act like the GB.
1) Decide who you want with you
2) Let all the tithe paying Pastors and members think they matter
3) Disregard their votes and follow your own convicts
4) If questioned, investigate yourself and find everything to be okay!
5) Take God completely out of the equation and remove anyone that believes in Jesus.
6) Plan a strategy to remove Jesus - Call it the 'Jesus Strategy'
7) Use meeting to help trembling Pastors believe g.o.d. instead of God
"AA DEVILS Rule because we let them"
Why is it that everyone feels the GB and God's anointed can not be questioned?
Is that the kind of God we serve? No questions asked just do as I tell you? Obviously God gives us "Free Will" so he knows there are going to be times that we ask him questions when we don't understand. Yet, God is still there and will never leave us or let us go.
You would think the GB would take this example of God. Instead, they live in the Old Testament and forgot that God tore the veil and God's grace reigns.
factsonly1 mentions that Pacheco served under Dr.Baldemar while he committed his fraud. I would have to say that Dr. Baldemar demonstrated forgiveness and grace from God instead of kicking Pacheco out of the AA.
Interesting...
I see the board is back to its rut, and cyclical arugments.
For those of us who come here to either get updated on what has happend of late, we have not heard much the last few days.
I also don't see much of any action plan, or path forward being proposed or acted upon by anyone.
Is this all you guys plan on doing, vent on a blog?
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lol now thats too funny!!! Too bad its true.
What ever happend to "freeking" sister? she's awesome with her videos.
Sanchez talks about a time to heal, but had he ever thought about negotiating a peace with the plaintiffs?
Or are the DEVILS stubborn? Is being stubborn a sin?
To M. Gallegos: You said you broadcast on a radio program? Can you give me some info on how to tune in? Thanks Bro.
www.apostolicassembly.org is down. Does anyone know how long it's been down? Could this be a sign? I know, I know wishful thinking.
By the way, I was sorry to here about the PB Dough Boy!! Meals will no longer be the same. Ha Ha Thanks for the laugh!
LOL
Somebody gave the Gb a taste of their own medicine. They Pad Locked the website. lol
Maybe the webmaster got Excommunnicated too.
Setec Astronomy
1. Hater
2. (Setec Astronomy) WHAT THE HELL!!!!!ASTRONOMY ok BUDDY.
3. YOU WISH THE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOURSELF WERE THAT GOOD.
Phantom
1. Hater? Thats it? That's all you bring to the table. I have been commenting on M.Gallegos many many pages ago. How about coming up with something more original than an overused insult/comment like "hater".
2. I will comment on this with all caps. You seem to communicate well that way. LOOK UP WHAT "SETEC ASTRONOMY" MEANS. ITS AN ANAGRAM!!!! Did I put enough exclamation points at the end? If not here are a couple extra ones!!!!! Still not enough? We'll just a few more !!!! There that should be enough.
3. Conversations with myself? Only for dramatic effects and to entertain phantoms that have no originality. If you want more soliloquies let me know and I can provide more examples.
Setec Astronomy
aw is a little someone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HATER lol
Actually I was laying the sarcasm on really thick, sorry you couldn't capture it - I love the exclamation points though, nice touch...
setec Astronomy
Wow really glad you are exclamation mark happy! :)Now you, are someone thats really deep. One more thing hun, practice more on your sarcasm you aren't really good at it! Aw tear:(
Hank the Tank, so are you staying in the AA or what?
Internal Conflicts
On Friday November 24, 2006 in Long Beach, California General Board Elections were held. Since then, a group of Bishops and pastors, within the Apostolic Assembly, have stated that the Qualifying Board committed numerous violations; therefore, the results of said election are thought to be invalid.
A request sent by a bishop in the form of a letter petitioning the present Honorable General Board of the Apostolic Assembly to establish a Commission of Honor and Justice (Article 39 of the Constitution of the Apostolic Assembly) to investigate these allegations was refused. The bishop who wrote the request was advised since there was no wrongdoing; there was no need for an investigation. Immediately thereafter, the Honorable General Board called a Joint Episcopal Meeting to announce that everything was under control.
Due to the allegations of election irregularities, a lawsuit was filed by a group of Bishops and pastors, within the Apostolic Assembly, with the Superior Court of the State of California. The Superior Court determined that the Apostolic Assembly was within their rights to make these decisions. The Apostolic Assembly has been accused of mismanagement of funds, keeping the leadership positions within "the family" and handing contracts to family and friends without proper bids. As a result of this conflict, at least one church in Denver, pastored by a defendant in the afore mentioned trial, was seized by the Apostolic Assembly on July 30th, 2008 with the accompaniment of police
To Snoopy:
You said,
You can either face up to your choice of syntax which implies that the church of Laodicea received the strongest rebuke of Jesus because they were democratic and cede the point, or you can be like all the other people who hate being proved wrong and say, "I didn't say those exact words."
Response: Cede the point? You haven't said anything concrete for me to cede the point. And yes because they ruled and not God, was one of the reasons that lead them to go astray.
You said:
They left the governance of the tithes and offerings (which is basically what governments are elected to do: spend tax money properly) to other SPIRIT FILLED people, so that Twelve could focus on preaching salvation.
Response: Governing the church is not just administrating money. A local treasurer can do that. The job of the Apostles was to pray, preach the word, disciple, lead the church, resolve the problems that arose in the church, send out missionaries, supervise the church....
Is that all government does? decide how to spend money? I don't think so. They are supposed to make laws, execute laws, interpret laws, protect our country...
On one point I agree with you that if Paul was here he would have spoken out against the indescretions of our leaders, but one thing for sure he would have NEVER sued the church leaders in a worldly court. As a matter of fact he taught againsts that.
SeTec, you missed it!
I was miking a point, and you my friend fell for it...
And on some post, I was merely correcting my grammar.
The fact that you Mr SeTec, continue to nit-pick my writing but you really make no point says alot about you.
Paul would have been ex-communicated from the AA.
And by the way Mr SeTec I was respondind to other post as well, you cant just read one post and attact moron!!!!!!
M.Gallegos - Phantom
Ouch... stop it.
You both should team up with this Revolutionaries of Justice. They can use a Wonder-Twins hero team like you 2. Since M.Gallegos has stooped to calling me a moron it fits. And by the way M.Gallegos, those lines that show up under your misspellings are a help. Just slow down, read and right click when a word is underlined. This blog is not going anywhere.
Hello...
Look little boy, if you would have read some more, you would have notice what I was doing...
I dont understand why it is you like to attact my every word, but thats find just do it right! Stop bringing up moronic issues so we can talk about real stuff!
You may think this whole thing went no-where, however you must not have any type of real info...
Because your gb was moved! Not to the point I would have liked, nevertheless they were moved!
And believe you me its not going to stop!!!!!!
Skotty!!!!!!!!! where you been bro???????????
SeTec and if this blog is not going anywhere, then get off of it!
To Snoopy:
Response to your next comments.
Yes Laodicea is the church in worst shape. While other churches mentioned, some are not even reprimanded. Others are commended on some things but reprimanded for other things. Laodicea though is commended on nothing only reprimanded. It's not my opinion the evidence is there.
In the Bible many times names of people and cities give some revelation of them to help us understand. There is so many examples of this but if you don't want to accept it fine.
This is not just a personal anecdote, If you research the polity of churches there's to types: Congregationalist and Episcopal (not referring to denominational names). Congregationalist is where the congregation governs (democracy)and Episcopal is where bishops govern (people called of God to govern). Most Baptist are Congregationalist and the laity make the decisions including firing and hiring the pastors.
The structure of AA is Episcopal and bishops are elected by pastors not laity.
Is all the bashing of the general board progressive talk?
I'm sorry you felt offended by my previous postings.
God bless you.
M.Gallegos
I'll leave when you do. And congrats, you did much better with that little spell check advice I gave you.
Yeah I have read your posts and points... they are as fruitless as half the other comments here. And yes, you can include most of my posts in the useless category. The difference is I did it on purpose.
Some of the stuff you posted is just pure comedy.
Doing Some Research
AND
Attending
Sam's Church... LOL
Went UnderCover...
So Mr SeTec, do you not care about what has taken place in the church?
ANSWER THE QUESTION MORON!!!!!
Mr SeTec, do you believe the gb has acted ethical?
Jose:
Where did you get that from? Or did you write it?
Looks like a article of sorts.
Mr.SeTec, do believe what the gb did was right?
Mr.SeTec! Do you believe king Ahab was in the will of God?
Mr.SeTec! Do you believe the gb is in God's will?
SeTec! Was it right that the elderly lady walked out and not one minister said a thing?
SeTec you want to act like a MORON, then you will be treated like a MORON!!!!!
Dont bother responding, my only response to you is you're a MORON!!!!
Henry, Jose's source was Wikipedia
M.Gallegos
Relax man. Your veins cant take that much pressure let alone your keyboard. Enough with the Michael Savage radio impression, it doesn't work for you.
So you ask me questions then tell me not to bother answering them? Make up your mind Gallego Nation.
hONESTLY
Check this out!
FROM GOOGLE SEARCH:
EDWARD PACHECO FRAUD
THATS ALL I SEARCHED...
THIS IS WHAT I FOUND.
RESPONSE TO A. MIKE
Response to Pacheco’s Associates
"I have read the dim-witted posts of anonymous writers on this site as well as on other blogs. I have held my peace despite the many people who choose to attempt to defame the character of certain men of God. I figured that most of the disrespectful posts were from unintelligent youth that have no fear of God. Most of the bloggers write without thinking of the repercussions their hateful words may have. They spare no one in the attempt to slander the men they think are responsible for the election issues. These blogs are more than just unhappy, discontent, dissatisfied members of the AA. They are from bloggers that have allowed the seeds of bitterness to grow and take roots in their hearts. They parade their pharisaical ideologies in an attempt to poison the body of Christ."
QUESTIONS:
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Jesus Christ, Inc, Associate with Ms. Bernice Molina Salcido in the Car Scam Program?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc, make presentations in Apostolic Assembly Churches for the Car Scam?
Did not Edward Pacheco while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc, solicit money for cars that were never delivered?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc refuse to repay his victims?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ Inc., solicit CASH ONLY Payments for the Car Scam?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc all of a sudden relocate to foreign soil to avoid prosecution by Arizona and Federal Authorities?
“Pacheco’s Associate” post is a prime example of how hateful the chaff amongst the wheat can be. They cause division amongst the children of God. They are nothing more than wolves in sheep’s clothing attempting to destroy what the Lord Himself has built.
The document posted about Rogelio Alvarez is true…. FACT
Pastor Edward Pacheco is affiliated with Rogelio Alvarez…. FACT
Who is Rogelio Garduno Alvarez? Rogelio is actually a Minister at Corona church where Edward Pacheco serves as the Pastor. He was baptized on 12/31/1999. He was set aside to the ministry on 07/03. Later, he was ordained as a minister on 07/05. I know this because I have access to the ministerial licensing files. This information is not difficult to verify if you wish to do so.
This information in the “Pacheco’s Associate” post is not new to me nor to many others. In fact, I have come to know Bro. Roger (As I have many of the ministers in the district). I have heard his TESTIMONY directly from his mouth while the tears rolled down the contours of his face. While in the world he made many bad decisions that propelled him into the prosperity of an industrious brokerage. However, as proven by the court documents, he did not always follow the letter of the law. In fact, this experience is what lead him to the feet of Christ. He came to Christ in a state of complete brokenness and humility. Having lost everything, Christ was his only way out.
The fact that the author of this original post has attempted to defame the character of Pastor Pacheco by dragging his “associate” through the mud is detestable. Did not Christ make it a point to sit and eat with the Publicans and the sinners? Are you ignorant to the fact that the AA is littered with people who were once the worst this world could offer and are now teachers and preachers? Many came to Christ desolate and destitute and received the mercy of God. Who are you to point out the faults that the blood of Christ has already covered? Do you not have any moral values at all? And you have the audacity to question the integrity of others…Please! In due time you will reap what you have sowed for His word will always come to pass. Let God be true and all men liars!!!
I urge all others in the love of Christ to think before you post something as vile and despicable as the author of “Pacheco’s Associate” did. God Bless, A Mike
Allow me to Retort…..
Slander as defined in Tort Law, is a lie that is spoken with the intent to defame an individual’s character done in such a manner as to hurt that individual reputation that results in financial damages. However, what we have here are written words, that, if untrue, and written in wanton disregard for the truth, would qualify for Libel.
In slander and libel, the Truth is always a valid defense. Therefore, your attempt to qualify my written statements as slander is as uneducated as it gets.
What have I said that is NOT TRUE? I made statements that are well known and public information. The documentation I provided is open to the Public in accordance with the law so that the General Public can be protected.
My statements regarding Mr. Edward Pacheco are true. I am fully convinced that Mr. Edward Pacheco uses his position as a Licensed Minister/Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly in the Faith of Jesus Christ Inc, solely for his own personal gain.
i.e. the purchase of numerous luxury homes in the last 2 years.
I point out Mr. Edward Pacheco’s Associations with Convicted Felons, Bernice Molina Salcido(Convicted in Maricopa County Superior Court, Arizona for FRAUD in the Car Scam) and Roger Alvarez, aka Rogelio Garduno Alvarez(Convicted for FRAUD in the United States District Court, Central District, California, and whose Real Estate Brokers License was REVOKED by the Commissioner of the California Department of Real Estate) to show that our Bishop Secretary has a pattern of behavior that is not commensurate with a man who is allegedly a Full Time Minister in our organization, let alone a man “elected” to lead our national organization.
In both the Car Scam and Real Estate Investment Project, Mr. Edward Pacheco has used his position as a Pastor and now National Board Member to gain an audience to promote his ventures with his associates, Bernice Molina Salcido and Rogelio Garduno Alvarez, both convicted felons. He uses his Influence for his own personal gain. Mind you, both were convicted of Fraud. He has teamed up with both of them to gain access to more Money.
Mr. Edward Pacheco, in my opinion, is a man of questionable character. Character is a highly determining factor when one is selected to a position of trust, such as a licensed minister of the church or to a governmental agency. Garduno Alvarez had that trust as granted by the Commissioner of the Department of Real Estate. He broke that trust and violated his FIDUCIARY Duty to his clients and to the general welfare of the public, by committing FRAUD.
Mr. Edward Pacheco, in my opinion, has a problem with Greed. He lusted for money in the Car Scam. By his action alone in the scam, he made presentations, which FACT has proven to be False Representations and Claims to Defraud Hermanos and Souls of Money as an ACCOMPLICE in the Crime of Larceny by Trick. Then there is his partnership in the Criminal Venture of the Car Scam. As the criminal law states, where two or more are gathered and act in agreement, we have CONSPIRACY.
Did Mr. Edward Pacheco terminate his involvement before people reported the matter to the authorities? No. He did not cease his involvement until AFTER they were found out.
What happened to the money? Where did it go?
Now here we are in 2007, and Mr Edward Pacheco is at it again. Teaming up with Convicted Felon, Roger Garduno Alvarez, in a Real Estate Investment Venture.
Mr. Roger Alvarez cannot act in any transaction that would involve a real estate license. No, his REVOKED Real Estate Broker License is not a Valid License. If Mr. Alvarez is acting in a capacity that would require a real estate license, then according to California Real Estate Law and the California Business and Professional Code of Law, then Mr. Alvarez is acting in Willful and Wanton Violation of the Law. If there is an Intent to permanently deprive any people of money by this venture, then he will again, if he hasn’t already been in another case of Fraud.
Pooling people together to invest in Fixer Uppers, in the current market, with the supposed goal to build a retirement fund, appears to be “fishy”. Additionally, conspiring with people to have homeowners take money out of their homes for the intent to invest in a speculative investment, could very well be a violation of Securities and Exchange Commission Code.
I stand by my comments. If you view them as divisive, then I recommend you advise your “Pastor” , Mr. Edward Pacheco to immediately RESIGN. His character is unbecoming a Licensed Minister of the Apostolic Assembly the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc.
When Mr. Edward Pacheco became an “Elected” Member of the National Board, he became a public figure whose character, decisions, and actions will and have come under greater public scrutiny.
Had Mr. Edward Pacheco acted with honesty, honor, and truth, then he would not be in the position he is and would definitely not be receiving the amount a of criticism he has.
And Scotty, you didn't even touch on the Straw buying
ps. Scotty do you like the picture I lifted off of your video?
Yeah baby!!!Skotty's back!!!!
Quote, To John 3:16
"As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly." Proverbs 26:11(NIV).
Quote, To John 3:16
"As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly." Proverbs 26:11(NIV).
Hey!! That's Nacho Cheese!!!
Is this the real Nacho? one of the only wise God fearing Elders in Lugo's district?
Nacho had the smarts to stay away from the curse of removing the Man of God from San Bernardino church!
Ye serpents of the fowl whom ye thou curseth with thou great and evil deeds done unto the honarable general board whom god hath appointed this day to guard the storehouse. Thou shalt surely fall and sucketh thine own vomit and the vomit excreteded by the honarable geaneral board.
John 3:16 you said it 'god' generals of deceipt
but the only ones 'suckething' up are blind people like you
Matthew 7:15-18 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Everyone,
I come to let you all know that I will not be as active as I had before on this blog. After much prayer and a dream, it is clear to me that there is a demon amongst the GB and those helping them. I fear for those that are innocent and pray for my family as well as others still remaining in the AA. I will not go into detail, nor will I answer to hateful comments. The God the people serve and the God the GB serve are not the same! I am not speaking out of emotion yet only out of prayer and a dream. May God have mercy on those that do not fear him as they once did before!
john 3:16
I agree with you on one point only..
you mention that the GB is appointed! I couldn't agree more!
1 more point to agree with:
They are guarding the 'storehouse'
They don't care about the saints
Godisjust
'After much prayer and a dream, it is clear to me that there is a demon amongst the GB and those helping them.'
Perhaps you can share the dream with a reputable Man of God (in or out of the AA). The revelation of your dream may motivate many to pray more dilligently and help bring an end to this fiasco.
Yesterday, on the first day of the "Estrategia de Jesus", Bro. Daniel Sanchez was supposed to challenge all the pastors to join "La Estrategia", well he put everyone to sleep.
Next Valverde took the pulpit and challenge the pastors by opening his talk, "There is an elephant in the middle of the room and no one wants to talk about it" then he continue by saying, "Tonight I will talk about that elephant".
Then he started talking about how young people wear their hair over their eyes and that they no longer listen or obey.
Next he pointed out that the lawsuits are no major worries to them (GB) that at each meeting the most they spent on the subject is about an hour, YEAH RIGHT! I am sure he also says he does not care if protesters go to the Long Beach activity.
That is Sam for you always down playing the issues and acting very calm. He might act calm but his appearance sure shows he is worried to death. He is only 51 or 52 and looks like 60.
Thank you Pancho for your insight, keep your inside comments coming.
Hola A Todos,Si soy catolico o me considero creyente al menos,no asisto a ninguna Iglesia,pero creci en la catolica y me considero catolico.
Para el teclas tengo caracter si por eso si te trato de usted me gusta que me trates de usted me tiras te tiro al estilo guerrero pues.
Para el que escribe la Historia completa de todo lo que han estado pasando,Tiene toda la razon y a ti mi estimado teclas es de aqui donde saco la informacion.
Ya lo sabes no sabia de Todos los viejitos que menciona este cuatro de julio y lla los vi en esta misam pagina.el fundador de su Iglesia.y tiene Razon.
ellos actuaron con prudencia y me imagino que sus dias fueron largos sin preocupaciuon. pero con carga y responsabilidad.
De Avila bueno eso es lo que tambien escribieron en este m ismo blog.
y de villegas y su esposa pos tambien aqui lo conoci que se habia clavado con un cuate de la misma Iglesia y por esa falta de ella destituyeron a Villegas de su cargo Ridiculo e Incomprensible.
Al Cuatro de Julio echele Ganas usted si esta enterado y teine Respaldo y respeto asia los Involucrados.
Una ves mas mi solicitud Hombre.formen una nueva organisacion si requisitos simplemente como forma de crecimiento...
Los Gallos ya s elos dije ..
BALDEMAR.
MENDOZA.
TORREZ.
AVILA.
VILLEGAS.
RODARTE.
SOLOMON.
QUE VIVA MEXICO.
ATT EL PESTAYO
M.Gallegos
Really? I am? Let me go down to your level on this one.. It takes one to know one... No wait, I got an even better one... I know you are but what am I... Does that one make better sense to you?
Calling me a moron, man that was a good one. I guess when things get tough for you, you resort to calling someone names... pathetic.
Talking about "Terrorist Threats" made to the membership by the GB.
Did you hear the lineup for speakers at the General Convention?
Sanchez
Maffey
Del Campo
Pacheco
Duarte
Zzzzzzzzzz.........
Remind me to take my ipod of FLC Choir to keep me awake.
SeTec,thats it?????????
Wow I really thought you could do better then that!
para el Factsonlyi sera el factor uno o no se que pedro.
Bueno seas quien seas los videos no mienten, la actitud del hombre gordo desconosco su nombre fue prepotente.
Bademar me imagino es el que se defendio simplemente saliendo a enferentatrse con la congregacion camisa blanca.
Fue tranquilo.paciente y enfrento la situacion simplemente diciendo no estoy de acuerdo.
Fijate vien en el video no miente y que tu iglesia esta destruida ya lo esta.
Cambiate con los buenos No te cieres de mente,abre los ojos ve la realidad de las cosas.
con hechos y videos.como losque estan en el blog....
Bueno yo sigo en Guerrero Aqui en la Republica Mexicana.una ves mas
Que viva Mexico..Att El Pestayo..
Come on M.Gallegos, now your using the exact things I called you out on. Talk about not being original.... What you finally figured out how stupid you sounded repeating moron over and over?
SeTec, ok lets talk. I dont know what your deal is? But it seems like its you against me, so tell me why?
Pancho said...
"That is Sam for you always down playing the issues and acting very calm. He might act calm but his appearance sure shows he is worried to death."
so what do you expect to him say and act, silly?
"As a result of this conflict, at least one church in Denver, pastored by a defendant in the afore mentioned trial, was seized by the Apostolic Assembly on July 30th, 2008 with the accompaniment of police"
very nicely written, I especially like this part about the how the AA went into the future and SEIZED the property.
"july 30th" haha
SeTec, really I apologize for my past words towards you...
I would like to carry a "blog-versation" lets try it again.
Are you against my position, if so why?
Facts only1,
excuse the tardiness in my response, i am no longer on vacation and back at work, and i have nowhere near as much time as you do to be on this blog. Well, I must say I am a bit puzzled about your response. You spoke as if you were a member of our church but when i answered you acted as if you had no clue of what i was talking about... hmmmm.
i must say again... interesting choice of name... :|
well for the sake of blogging, i will humor you.
If you don't go to our church, then how do you know that the people who stayed don't tithe? I mean didn't you confidently call that a statement a "lie from hell?"
Also, how do you know that those who stayed DIDN'T stay for monetary compensation etc.?
How did you know that Sis Diane was talking to a minister? That minister is relatively new and as far as i know hasn't been invited to lead many district services or camps. He isn't too well known to people outside of BR's church...
I'm just trying to understand where your conviction comes from. You sound so convinced and confident. Please explain.
Mi estimado Pancho villa creo que es la realidad.cuando algien no actua bien asi estan las cosas.
te recuerdas de Un Hombre Llamado David que callo su relacion con la mujer de un soldado y envegecio asi valverde.sanches y la clica.
Que Dios nos agarre confesados a todos.
Para no perder mejor Aganse catolicos Todos aqui de perdis nos confesamos y ya listo pal otro..
Att El Pestayo..
QUE VIVA MEXICO..
Carlos,
i kind of know what you are getting with "the interesting choice of name."
isn't "only1" the name of a rap/reggeaton group that goes to san bernardino church?
i think i saw them at an event at Ontario church.
mgallegos,
PTL bro!
hey i have been out of the loop these past few days... How did the interview go? anything new or further?
Email me at lerato910@gmail.com
EVERYONE ELSE:
does anyone have updates on Tafoya and Galarza?
thanx
To az apostl,
Have you heard any news regarding Tafoya's audit by the AA?
setec
Alright love what is it? Are you alone? Have you been rejected hun? What is it? Tell us is something hurting? You know JESUS LOVES YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Praise the Lord to all. I would like to say that only the Lord knows why the votes turned out the way they did. We should not be raising against the Men of God where you think they are right or not. They are still the Men of God and we have to be careful of what we say. Also we don't pay our pastors that much and they don't work for you and I but for The Lord Jesus Christ. Some of you are posting very unchristian comments. I think some of the bloggers need to start fasting and praying for wisdom instead. Has anybody thought that the Lord is cleaning house?
May the Lord be with you all
Praise the Lord to all. I would like to say that only the Lord knows why the votes turned out the way they did. We should not be raising against the Men of God where you think they are right or not. They are still the Men of God and we have to be careful of what we say. Also we don't pay our pastors that much and they don't work for you and I but for The Lord Jesus Christ. Some of you are posting very unchristian comments. I think some of the bloggers need to start fasting and praying for wisdom instead. Has anybody thought that the Lord is cleaning house?
May the Lord be with you all
factsonly1:
Just change your name to "only1opinion" Bro. All you do is outsmart yourself, and when people call you on it, you just ignore it and try to create a distraction with your nitpicking.
You said,"Do you see why the governing body of the church cannot be democratic?"
I say again, You support the GB. All but two were voted in democratically. Make up your mind! DO YOU SUPPORT THE GB MEMBERS WHO WERE ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY?
I can't wait to see you manipulate my words and yours to get yourself out of this one.
Even a fool is wise in his own eyes.
sara...
wow
so the Lord Is Cleaning House
Through The Gb???
OK!!
CUZ THAT MAKES total SENSE!!!!
Might I suggest YoU DONT post On Here N e MORE???
cuz idk if you have realized but a majority of us are R4J
R U R4J SARA???
RU??
Scotty
You are too cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wheres setec?
haha So get this...
Im Sitting Here Wondering...
"Why Do People Still Try To Defend The Godly Boys?"
And Then It Hits Me...
People Are Looking At The Court Case The Wrong Way!
Ok So The Judge Find Them "Not Guilty, With pREDJUDICE!"
But The Only Thing People See Is The Not Guilty Part...
They Dont See The TWO-VOTE part...
Which DID happen!
They Did Select A person With 2 Votes!
AS opposed to some1 with More,
I mean C'mon Out OF what... 400 Pastors Two-VOTES is all it took to win?
please people...
Stop Defending Them, They CHOSE some1 with a Felony, And They CHOSE SOME1 WITH 2-VOTES!
Undisputed... 2 VOTES IS ALL HE GOT!
UNDISPUTED... UNDENIED...UNDERSTOOD!
2 VOTES IS ALL EDWARD PACHECO GOT!
ITS THE TRUTH... ITS A FACT...
Sara r u pregnant with a son named Isaac?
You sure are full of laughter
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
Sara, please dont take this the wrong way but you are 100% wrong...
God will never clean house like that, He will never hurt his bride!
If there is anything God loves its his church!
These actions were done by greed.
Those who were ex-communicated were men of God also. A house divided amongst her self will not stand! Jesus said those words, is God then contradicting him self?
No! Let me ask you this Was Nathan the prophet out of God's will when he rebuked David the King of Israel? David was the leader of that nation-ie the authority.....
sUP peeps... Gonna Keep Defendin the "Godly Boys" Now???
Unlike Our FrIENDS...
SETEC (i LIKE THE MOon), Factsonly1 (Whats The 1 for?),Cantwejustgetalong (NO WE CANT!)
You Three Need To Move On... Or Open Your Eyes... Quit Trying To Defend The "Godly Boys" i think they have lawyers for that they dont need a Trio Like You Around...
Seriously.
sHOUT OUTS...
M.Gallegos - Ur My Homie!
Henry- Your My Boy!
Godisjust- I got UR back!
Carlos- Keep On Bringin The Facts!
Klu- uR lIKE bUTTER... ON a ROLL!
Phantom- Cool Name
Istand4one- Speak IT! Preach IT!
TwoVote- Love The Pic... its undeniable!
To CBG: How you doing tonight? I know they are still investigating. I herd it's not looking good. I'm sure you all will here about it when the findings go public. I know there was a rumor that he was ousted last week but that was false. I'll keep you posted.
Will some1 please explain to me ... in detail please... how Pacheco got on TEam "Godly Boys"?
I mean according the the Constitution, and Of Course THe INFAMOUS CID...
how is he on Team "Godly Boys"?
To: cantwejustgetalong / 6:59 p.m.
I do not expect him to act silly;although, he did acted that way on Monday night while preaching. His preaching was with double meaning and in sense provoking the pastors.
But, if he would at least act in a Christ like way we would not be in this mess. But a Valverde is always a Valverde and he can not denied he has the blood of his late uncle Efrain Valverde.
Factsonly
how about You Give Me The COLD HARD facts on how He is on TEAM "Godly Boys"?
ACCORDING TO BOTH THE CID AND CONSTITUION...
how about you
CANTWEJUSTGETALONG???
Would you like to Explain to me How Pacheco is on tEAM "Godly Boys"? According to both the CID and Constitution??
wHAT aBOUT YOU?
Setec Astronomy?
Would you like to Explain to me How Pacheco is on THE "Godly Boys" Crew...? According to both the CID and Constitution??
i mean since the three of you LOVE to Defend the "Godly Boys" And ThIER Entourage...
I would find it Suitable iF the Three OF YOU came up with Three Different Answers... cuz i would really like to know what the three of you thihk...
im gonna call you guys the
P-Protectors
O-OF
T-The
H-Heroes
E-Excluding
A-ALL
D-DEFENDING
S-SAINTS
LOL if it makes sense... hahaha
Pestayo / 7:55 p.m.
Estoy de acuerdo, aunque este caso no es otra mujer pero esta situacion si le a afectado y se le ve un su cabellera y cuero.
Y con la cuestion de volverme catolico o sea universal que para el caso es lo mismo. No se trata de cambiar de organizacion, se trata de cambiar a la organizacion. Pero muchas gracias, aunque a la verdad creo que le estas haciendo al monje y eres apostolico. Pero haya tu, si Valverde le esta haciendo al cristiano y como se la creen.
kinda "dEAD" tONGIHT eh?
pROb CUZ the "Godly Boys"
Have to ACTUALLY do Some work?
LOL
Az apostl
Just out of curiosity, Do you know how many pastors Tafoya ousted in your district? And what are their names?
Skotty Will Show You said...
Will some1 please explain to me ... in detail please... how Pacheco got on TEam "Godly Boys"?
Pacheco got on for the same reason companies hire only the best hackers. They need the skills they posess.
The GB needed the skills of two-vote. They're going after the $$ & Properties and Chuc has Roger in his back pocket.
In order to pull off a major scam, they needed a scam artist. If God could do it, why couldn't g.o.d. do it too?! (I Kings 22:20-22)
1Kings 22:20-22 The LORD asked, 'Who will deceive Ahab so that he will go and be killed at Ramoth?' Some of the angels said one thing, and others said something else, until a spirit stepped forward, approached the LORD, and said, 'I will deceive him.' 'How?' the LORD asked. The spirit replied, 'I will go and make all of Ahab's prophets tell lies.' The LORD said, 'Go and deceive him. You will succeed.' "
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
thas right...
you know i've been doing some research...
and every1 keeps looking for edwards records in cal... cant find them... but i did find something
in maricopa county in AZ though...
with Bernice Molina...
lol
so i would suggest every1 start looking into maricopa county...
To CBG: I know he ousted a few but I cant recall the names. Are you or were you at one time from AZ???
az apostl
I have friends and some relatives in Phoenix and Tucson.
Hey two vote eddie, how does your wife feel about the General Secretary's 'Administrative Assistant'? What does she assist you with?
Pancho Villa.
Are you in those meetings? My sources tell me that the meetings go on from 8 in the morning to 5 in the afternoon, and this is going to go on from the 8th to the llth.
The ministerial meetings are held at the Hyatt but ministers are staying at both the Westin and at the Hyatt.
Sanchez looks beaten, I don’t know how he is going to hold out for the November Convention in Texas.
Valverde should know what a division is because he has it in his DNA. His uncle Efrain Valverde made one of the biggest divisions in the Apostolic Assembly history. From then on the name Valverde was a stigma, a disgrace.
But believe it or not, the name of Valverde was restored when Contreras and BR conspired to put Sam Valverde on the Board without ever having been a Bishop.
Now, Sam Valverde is BR’s enemy, no loyalty to the one who made him.
The Pastors appear to be bored and intimidated. The elephant in the middle of the room is not an elephant at all; it is a combination of Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Aguilar, Martin del Campo, Maffey, Espinoza and Prado.
Those are the elephants, and they will be removed in the Name of Jesus. Pastors, you have to be bold and join together in one accord.
Sanchez must be gloating that he no longer has the ominous dark cloud over his head called Baldemar and Salomon. He is now the sole head, not threatened anymore.
To those attending these meetings, give us some feedback. Are there any Pastors willing to stand up to the hangman’s noose? Henchmen be careful, your time is coming.
Ok, here we go!
This is what happened in the 2006 "elections" God elected, but the gb said to God, you were voted out of school! Your vote does not count! Besides this is our AA, they then appointed who they wanted...And thus kept it in the family...
They are planing on ex-communicating God too! Its just been so long since they've talked to him, or spent time with him that they dont know how to contact him!!!!
Wow! She can be my AA any day.
Orale
henry, you're off the hook
I seriously wonder what they were thinking when they rolled out the CID. It does not resemble the structure and cohesiveness that should be becoming of a legal document. (I have yet to see a legal document quote the Greek and give opinionated definitions of words such as "capacity") It is a merely a product of someone thinking they are educated because they went to bible college. Seriously.
And worse, the Pastors that allowed it. OUT OF IGNORANCE!!! Did they know the power they were putting in corrupt men's hands? NO. Did the GB know that Pastors would blindly follow it, impressed with the Greek and five dollar words, they sure hoped so. CHUECOS, CHUECOS, CHUECOS. Relying on the ignorance of these men... SHAME SHAME SHAME... it reminds me of "the time has come the walrus said."
I know some denominations that require at least a bachelors to become a pastor. Merely a suggestion.
Now, the CID is document that relies heavily on the "honor system." Besides votes, the qualifying commission must also take into mind capacity, suitability, and rights.
Oh, what a PARADOX! A blatant disregard to the constitution and most of all, to GOD'S WILL.
Now the CID can be useful if used by the hands of honest men. For example: Two candidates, one with 300 votes, one with 305. The first is more capable, equipped with an undergrad or two, has a congregation that experiences a 20% growth annually, and is a man of clean testimony. the 2nd is the total opposite. The CID is useful in this situation.
But, when you take margins like 400 to 2, we have an issue. That's 400 holy men of God, guided by fasting and prayer being ignored. When someone wins by that margin, one cannot question the will of God. WHO IS MAN TO DO THAT?!
WHO IS SANCHEZ? WHO IS VALVERDE? WHO ARE THEY TO DISREGARD 400 MEN OBVIOUSLY GUIDED BY THE HOLY GHOST? You know how i KNOW they were guided by God? Because they all voted the same.
I will end on this note. Historically at every election, there has been fasting. Since the 1930's to 2006 there has been fasting on the day of election. This 2006 election however, it was different. I'll be more specific... why don't you ask Sanchez what topping he had on his pizza? WHY DON'T YOU ALL ASK YOUR PASTORS THAT? WHY WAS THERE NO FASTING??!!
to quote M.Gallegos:
They did this!
They divided the church!
They hurt the people of God!
They did this wrong!
They lied to 400+ pastors!
They made fools of themselves!
You want healing, then you must step down! Otherwise we will not stop!
God did not give us a spirit of fear! But he gave us a spirit of power!
"exalt chirst, EQUIP THE CHURCH (fontana), evangelize the world," indeed.
notice the emphasis... :)
I dont Understand...
IS apostolicAnalyst...
R4J NOW?
Carlos, I'm sure you know this, but I'll say it anyway...
The CID was voted on, however it was not explained correctly...Thus the Pastor of the AA, put their trust in the leadershi(gb) and were made fools of...But God cannot be made a fool, so what was done in darkness came out to light!
might i also add that the CID CONTRADICTS the constitution...
CAPACIDAD, IDONIEDAD, Y DERECHOS, huh?
READ THIS:
RELATIONS WITH OTHER ECCLESIASTIC ORGANIZATIONS
TENTH CHAPTER
ARTICLE 32
I. We believe in the universality of the Church and that it should be united by the bonds of love and faithfulness to the doctrinal principles set forth in the Word of God.
II. We also believe that the unity of faith is a goal which we can achieve solely through the conservation of the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of peace (Ephesians 4:3). Therefore, we respect and esteem all Christian organizations of similar belief within and without our country, with which we can associate in Christian fellowship working towards common ideals. However, we wish to keep our own independence and will not accept any pact or compromise that will deprive us of our right to preach the gospel to every creature
ALSO, take a look at this
TEMPLES AND PROPERTIES
EIGHTH CHAPTER
ARTICLE 30
I. The General Secretariat of the Apostolic Assembly shall keep records of all church buildings, properties and possessions throughout the United States of America, which have been consecrated for the service of the work of God.
II. The deed of trust of all properties purchased or donated for the service of the Apostolic Assembly must bear the title: “APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.”
YIKES GB!!!!
So that means that any board member of another religious entity is INELLIGBLE to serve on the GENERAL BOARD. CID, indeed.
Also, not only are you not allowed to be the president of your own religious corp, but NEVER are you allowed to have the titles of your property read ANYTHING but AAFCJ...
WHOOPS!!!
not even the CID can you help you there.
Where Are the P.O.T.H.E.A.D.S.?
P-Protectors
O-OF
T-The
H-Heroes
E-Excluding
A-ALL
D-DEFENDING
S-SAINTS
I neED a better acronym for the Trio...
n e suggestions?
MGallegos,
Exactly. They counted on the Pastors' ignorance and played them like a fiddle with their "greek." They put it to vote and the pastors dug their own grave, not knowing they had done so.
MALDITO el hombre que confia en el hombre.
And that is just what they did. They put the AA's future OUT of the hands of God and into the hands of the uncircumcised Egyptians (cough, cough PACHUECO)
And for those who did not understand my reference to "the time has come the walrus said"
take 6th grade English again. its a little harder than Bible college, i know, but you will need it one day.
THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER
The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.
The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"
The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead--
There were no birds to fly.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it would be grand!"
"If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year.
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.
"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."
The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.
But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.
Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.
"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.
"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed."
"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said.
"Do you admire the view?
"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
I've had to ask you twice!"
"It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"The butter's spread too thick!"
"I weep for you," the Walrus said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one
So word is that Valverde is preaching in Union City this month for their spanish confrence. I guess afew people are going to walk out when he takes the pulpit...I say the whole thing should just be boycotted!
There should be a protest in Long Beach too!
tell me when and where bro gallegos!!!
i got a group of 20 young people, ganas no nos faltan!!!
shoot... you saw the video! Even the Dorcas will get invovlved...
I got Sis Diane on Speed Dial, ok!
lol
SKOTTY!!!
LONG BEACH....
you in?
PURO BALDEMAR!!!
Long Beach!
Start sendind e-mails to everyone!!!!!!
YOU WANT PEACE!STEP DOWN NOW!!!!
THEY LIED!
THEY DIVIDED THE CHURCH!
THEY HURT THE CHURCH!
AND SO-ON!
To CBG: Sorry Bro, It got kind of late on me last night. So you got Familia in Az. Cool. You been blogging on here a long time? I just barley started ever since this whole AA thing began. It really hasen't hit Az yet. Im sure will get more Info on Bro. Tafoya and the audit after this week. I finally got to see Skotty's video the other night. I guess it just made me more interested in whats going on. Just out of curiosity what do you think would happen if some of the ousted bishops started a reconsiliation with the gb and try to get reinstated? I think it would make things alot more interesting on this Blog! Peace out Bro. IHS
AZ ApostL
Have you read up on AA.info?
From the AA.org website:
Words of Hope Daily Devotional
Wednesday - Jul 9, 2008
Read: Zechariah 7:11-14
Here We Go Again!
Mark Fackler
They made their hearts adamant. (v. 12)
Zechariah's prophecy began with God's anger. The people were lazy about building a temple. By now that temple is built and people have been worshiping for a generation. But God is angry again. Why? The inner temple of peoples' hearts is still a pile of busted bricks and broken sticks. Souls have shriveled. Hearts are stone-hard. There's no love.
Temple buildings are important to God. Temple hearts are God's real goal. Archways and woodwork may dazzle the eye. Love and justice make God's heart leap for joy. Here the prophet says, "You're still not getting it." God is disgusted to the point of turning away from his peoples' self-serving prayers.
What happens when God's people get hearts of stone? They stop listening to him, so he stops listening to them (v. 13). [They become General Board Members] And then comes judgment (v. 14). Zechariah describes it as a "pleasant land" made "desolate." You don't want to live there.
Zechariah 7 is a road map to avoid desolation. Keep God at the center, worship with grateful hearts, treat people fairly, especially widows and orphans—people without a secure future. Work at this, the prophet urges. God's Spirit is your helper. Trust, pray, and love.
Desolation—don't go there. Isolation—avoid that place too. The cure to a hard heart is to listen.
Prayer: Lord, I'll follow your road map today. I'll grow a God-ward heart.
Mark Fackler Author of devotional '. . . my writing attempts to forge a response to Enlightenment liberalism, a response that takes its cue ultimately from the nature of the triune God. '
Too bad the GB doesn't read their own website devotional - even if it is written by a trinitarian!
You just can't make this stuff up!
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
To Itnotovertillitsover: Hey Bro. Yea, I have read most of the letters to and from the AA. Very interesting stuff. Its a sad thing to the see church go through somthing like this. I'v been an apostolic all my life. I dont know any other doctrine and I dont want to know any other doctrine. All I can do is pray for the men of God on both sides of this issue.
WHAT IS THE A. C. NAVA CHARITABLE FOUNDATION?
. . . Upon availability, members of the Apostolic Assembly church will be eligible to petition the Antonio Castaneda Nava charitable foundation for the following assistance:
. . .
Assistance for counseling services for members experiencing trauma of any kind
??? Does this include the trauma of watching the XMEN (ex-men of God now serving on the GB) remove men of God from their positions as Pastor?
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
M.Gallegos / Carlos...
No, No, No... Please don't bring your silly antics (cameras, picket signs) up here to NorCal. Keep them all down in SoCal where they belong.
Esp to UC.
Besides you have to pay to get in. So what are you going to contribute to his Love Offering and then walk out on his preaching?? Now that's what I call smart.
in case anyone cares, up here in Nor Cal, this whole thing hasn't affected us. We are just as focused on our churches as ever.
also in case if any "first time" bloogers care the majority of all the name calling and people with obvious hate issues are all from Southern California.
This organization amazes me. They claim to have the truth so they won’t fellowship with anyone outside of their beliefs. Yet, most (if not all) of their material comes from outside sources. They even endorse Fuller Seminary, which in my opinion does not hold to biblical inerrancy. Getting back to the CID. Someone commented about the use of Greek in the CID. Biblical Greek seems to be the in thing right now. If your books, articles or documents can cite Greek, they seem to carry more authority. I asked one of my professors in seminary. “Is the Holy Spirit limited in English?”. He did not have much of a response. The first thing the Spirit of God did on the day of Pentecost was to remove the barrier of language. Acts Chapter 2.
The AA wants to stand out from everyone else, yet they emulate everyone else. I’m to the belief that the AA has lost their focus (if they even had it ay all) and is spiritual decline.
VoicefromtheNorth
Now isn't yours the most ignorant comment of all.
"...it hasn't affected us..."
Heaven forbid something happen to your church. You know, like your church was snatched away from you. Wouldn't you want anyone's support? So you don't care what the GB is guilty of as long as they don't bother you. I'd hate to have you as a friend, I'm sure you wouldn't stand up for me or anyone in our hour of need.
VoicefromtheNorth
And we too "are focused on our churches as ever". We are focused on trying to keep them from the CLUTCHES OF THE GB!!!! They don't even care if the members leave, they just want the properties to sell. As in our case our members built our buildings from the ground up. The GB never lifted a finger to help!!!
I hate to say it Ugly City member, some of us are here in the North.
Just because you are bunch of cowards doesn't mean we all are.
It hasn't affected Nor cal, because you kiss the ground the GB walks on. Adam made the comment one time "I'm not a Mexican". No, he's a brown nosed follower of the AA DEVILS!!
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them" - Esp in UNION CITY!!
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
Factsonly1
You said, “You haven't said anything concrete for me to cede the point.”
Response: The point you fail to recognize is that the city of Laodicea was not named for its government, it was named for the wife of the governer of that city. AND THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT. Another FACT: the church was not called Laodicea; God said to write to the angel of the “Church in Laodicea.”
FACT: The seven churches were in seven real cities. FACT: the churches were not named at all, much less for any of their characteristics, they were simply called “the church in… (whatever city it was in).”
You said: “… because they ruled and not God, was one of the reasons that lead them to go astray.”
Response: I’ll cede you half a point on that one, and that is that they obviously did not allow God to rule, but it wasn’t the only reason. Your choice of words implies that the only reason God judged them was because man ruled. Man rules all over the earth. Sometimes he rules justly and fairly, and other times he’s just downright evil.
You said: “Governing the church is not just administrating money. A local treasurer can do that.”
Response: Have you ever sat through a church meeting? That’s all they talk about. How much money are we gonna raise? How are we going to spend it? How much will it cost to fix this problem? How much money will this activity yield?
You said: “The job of the Apostles was to pray, preach the word, disciple, lead the church, resolve the problems that arose in the church, send out missionaries, supervise the church....”
Response: FACT: According to Jesus, the job of the apostles was to go and preach the gospel to every creature. FACT: According to Peter, the job of the apostle was to pray and preach. FACT: it is the job of the local pastor to resolve problems that arise in the church, send out missionaries, and supervise the church. FACT: Governing is the job of a MAN (or WOMAN).
You asked: “Is that all government does? decide how to spend money? I don't think so. They are supposed to make laws, execute laws, interpret laws, protect our country...”
Response: FACT: Virtually Every law that is made and executed either costs money or yields money. Try reading a ballot one of these days. FACT: Protecting a country costs a fortune. FACT: the church is not a country; It is the body of Christ. FACT: Jesus did not organize. He preached, healed, etc. FACT: Nowhere in the book of Acts do you read about sectors, districts, and federations; any mention of interaction between churches has to do with one local church helping another.
You said: “On one point I agree with you that if Paul was here he would have spoken out against the indescretions of our leaders, but one thing for sure he would have NEVER sued the church leaders in a worldly court. As a matter of fact he taught againsts that.”
Response: It’s nice to see we agree on something. How do you think our present leaders would have responded to Paul, not knowing that he would go down in the history books as one of the most instrumental ministers in the dissemination of the Gospel?
God Bless you.
Factsonly1
You said, “You haven't said anything concrete for me to cede the point.”
Response: The point you fail to recognize is that the city of Laodicea was not named for its government, it was named for the wife of the governer of that city. AND THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT. Another FACT: the church was not called Laodicea; God said to write to the angel of the “Church in Laodicea.”
FACT: The seven churches were in seven real cities. FACT: the churches were not named at all, much less for any of their characteristics, they were simply called “the church in… (whatever city it was in).”
You said: “… because they ruled and not God, was one of the reasons that lead them to go astray.”
Response: I’ll cede you half a point on that one, and that is that they obviously did not allow God to rule, but it wasn’t the only reason. Your choice of words implies that the only reason God judged them was because man ruled. Man rules all over the earth. Sometimes he rules justly and fairly, and other times he’s just downright evil.
You said: “Governing the church is not just administrating money. A local treasurer can do that.”
Response: Have you ever sat through a church meeting? That’s all they talk about. How much money are we gonna raise? How are we going to spend it? How much will it cost to fix this problem? How much money will this activity yield?
You said: “The job of the Apostles was to pray, preach the word, disciple, lead the church, resolve the problems that arose in the church, send out missionaries, supervise the church....”
Response: FACT: According to Jesus, the job of the apostles was to go and preach the gospel to every creature. FACT: According to Peter, the job of the apostle was to pray and preach. FACT: it is the job of the local pastor to resolve problems that arise in the church, send out missionaries, and supervise the church. FACT: Governing is the job of a MAN (or WOMAN).
You asked: “Is that all government does? decide how to spend money? I don't think so. They are supposed to make laws, execute laws, interpret laws, protect our country...”
Response: FACT: Virtually Every law that is made and executed either costs money or yields money. Try reading a ballot one of these days. FACT: Protecting a country costs a fortune. FACT: the church is not a country; It is the body of Christ. FACT: Jesus did not organize. He preached, healed, etc. FACT: Nowhere in the book of Acts do you read about sectors, districts, and federations; any mention of interaction between churches has to do with one local church helping another.
You said: “On one point I agree with you that if Paul was here he would have spoken out against the indescretions of our leaders, but one thing for sure he would have NEVER sued the church leaders in a worldly court. As a matter of fact he taught againsts that.”
Response: It’s nice to see we agree on something. How do you think our present leaders would have responded to Paul, not knowing that he would go down in the history books as one of the most instrumental ministers in the dissemination of the Gospel?
God Bless you.
Factsonly1
You said, “You haven't said anything concrete for me to cede the point.”
Response: The point you fail to recognize is that the city of Laodicea was not named for its government, it was named for the wife of the governer of that city. AND THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT. Another FACT: the church was not called Laodicea; God said to write to the angel of the “Church in Laodicea.”
FACT: The seven churches were in seven real cities. FACT: the churches were not named at all, much less for any of their characteristics, they were simply called “the church in… (whatever city it was in).”
You said: “… because they ruled and not God, was one of the reasons that lead them to go astray.”
Response: I’ll cede you half a point on that one, and that is that they obviously did not allow God to rule, but it wasn’t the only reason. Your choice of words implies that the only reason God judged them was because man ruled. Man rules all over the earth. Sometimes he rules justly and fairly, and other times he’s just downright evil.
You said: “Governing the church is not just administrating money. A local treasurer can do that.”
Response: Have you ever sat through a church meeting? That’s all they talk about. How much money are we gonna raise? How are we going to spend it? How much will it cost to fix this problem? How much money will this activity yield?
You said: “The job of the Apostles was to pray, preach the word, disciple, lead the church, resolve the problems that arose in the church, send out missionaries, supervise the church....”
Response: FACT: According to Jesus, the job of the apostles was to go and preach the gospel to every creature. FACT: According to Peter, the job of the apostle was to pray and preach. FACT: it is the job of the local pastor to resolve problems that arise in the church, send out missionaries, and supervise the church. FACT: Governing is the job of a MAN (or WOMAN).
You asked: “Is that all government does? decide how to spend money? I don't think so. They are supposed to make laws, execute laws, interpret laws, protect our country...”
Response: FACT: Virtually Every law that is made and executed either costs money or yields money. Try reading a ballot one of these days. FACT: Protecting a country costs a fortune. FACT: the church is not a country; It is the body of Christ. FACT: Jesus did not organize. He preached, healed, etc. FACT: Nowhere in the book of Acts do you read about sectors, districts, and federations; any mention of interaction between churches has to do with one local church helping another.
You said: “On one point I agree with you that if Paul was here he would have spoken out against the indescretions of our leaders, but one thing for sure he would have NEVER sued the church leaders in a worldly court. As a matter of fact he taught againsts that.”
Response: It’s nice to see we agree on something. How do you think our present leaders would have responded to Paul, not knowing that he would go down in the history books as one of the most instrumental ministers in the dissemination of the Gospel?
God Bless You
VoicefromtheNorth
You have to PAY TO LISTEN TO A PREACHING?! So now they have to make sure they get plenty of money to preach not just go by faith and be thankful for a love offering. What a Carnival!!!
Some of you have been wondering just what is going to happen to some of these leaders that stood up against the assembly GB. Well, I have some news for you:
1. Daniel Solomon - will be recieving a 3 month suspension then it will be business as usual.
2. Art Tafoya - samd as the above mentioned, plead for forgiveness and will recieve a full pardon provided he make a public apology for all he has said and done.
There will be more doing the same... pleading for forgiveness and we will just continue to see that those who at once stood against the GB will again submit.
Will relate more as I recieve it...
teetime
You are speaking too soon. Eat your words.
For a refresher on how all of this happened re-read the Pastoral Summary
NorTh dude.
You Need To Open Your Eyes...
Step 1 watch vid 1
Step 2 Watch Vid 2
Step 3 RE-WATCH vid 2
Step 4 Watch Vid 2 again And Pay attention!
Step 5 Question The "Godly Boys"
Step 6 Imagine Yourself in Sb.
Step 7 Pray.
Step 8 Realize What Is GOING on DOES affect THe nORTH.
Step 9 Post a Random Comment Directed at Skotty. (You will Prob SKip Steps 1-8 but. w.e.)
Step 10 Turn Off Computer. (You will NOT like Any Responses TO Your comments...)
Step 11 (Use Only IF steps 9&10 were AVOIDED!) Post A kind Blog About Your Revelation while using steps 1-8...
GBY...
btw... did you guys know that Sams Church Is PRetty Bomb... i mean not every church in the AA has NO dRESS CODe... and Not eVERY CHUCH can host Sunday Service At the Orange SHow...
yeah i went this past sunday... UNDERCOVER.. i even shook THE uSHErs' HANDS... lol
Skotty iS gOIN deep UNDERCOVER PPL!
thats it...
the ten step approach.
i agree with rambo!!!
TEETIME YOUR SPEAKING TOO SOON!!
YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING!!!
you listen too much to what people say!!! its all lies!!!
its so funny how people are not informed right... teetime, don;t speak if you don't know the truth! =)
For the blashemers of the guardians of the storehouse shall thus therefore bow at the feet of the hanarble general board and plead at the feet of the great and mighty men appointed this day to watch therefore of the tithes of good dealing unto the salvation of many and reap the upbundance of harvest planted by the men who spoked evil and divisions unto the congregation of the lord. This prophesy has been fulfilled and the hanarbale general board delivered by the almighty as victorious.
SD619 said...
you listen too much to what people say!!! its all lies!!!
Are you talking about the lies of the General Board?
Any1 with at least half of a brain will agree with you on that one!!!
It’s not rocket science.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
The picture does not lie. Look and see what the Bishop is telling the children of God as he's excommunicating their pastor.
Phantom-
I am right here.
Skotty-
When did you read a comment of mine defending the GB's actions? I simply have commented on some of your antics and comments that are entertaining, or should I say FREAKIN entertaining. Also, I commented on the fact that everyone was so quick to defend Baldemar, yet he had many an opportunity to change things... you know what never mind because the blog comments will end up going through the same circles they have already gone...
M.Gallegos
I dont agree or disagree with all your comments but you took a good ribbing from me and came out on top... peace.
Someone needs to FREAKING get back to posting her Commentaries on FREAKING Youtube.
Its nice to have the views of an Educated Joven.
Unlike those interviews from last convention.
Interview Question:
"What did you think of Convention?"
Answer:
"Umm, like it was like awesome."
Interveiw Question:
"What do you like about the semons?:
Answer:
"Umm, they are awesome"
And that was a response from a MOP Leader!!!!
QUIUBOLE A TODOS Dijeran mis paisanos del norte de la republica mexicana.
A MI BUen Pancho Villa.no Mi estimado aorita ni nunca he deseado ser fanatico de alguna religion prefiero ser de algun equipo de futbo. como las chivas del guadalajara ahi si se gana y se siente loque uno esta biendo;si pierden pues lo sientes y te da coraje y ya.
Pero ser de tu denominacion o de otra de cristianos esta camaron.
poreso te digo es mejor ser catolico aqui cometes pecado adulterio.Robas te las truenas Bailas Tomas.Tienes de dos o tres mujeres nomas dile al padrecito y te pone a resar las aves amrias y ya.
le siges el sigiente capitulo y la sigiente semana.y con ustedes que tienen abogado para con los hombres miranomas como andan todos.
todo por culpa de malverde.ganchoz.osease sanchez.y toda su clica.
aqua no.nos agararon a un cura por abusar de las monjas pos mienmtras no se meta con mi nobia y que le siga ecahndo..
Ha Que viva Mexico..Att El Pestayo.
Ya estoy consiguiendo Coyote por ahi les caigo en este ems de julio o Agosto depeende cuanto me tarde en cruzar..saludos A todos...
Voten por Baldemar.Mendoza.Rodarte.Villegas.Torrez>Avila
y todos los demas ahi los veo Saludos..
Whatever happened to Bella our poster child? I wonder if the big (Lugo)bad guys (gb) descended upon her, her family and church.
Seriously, 5 Minutes of a Bella Message definatly has more depth than an a decade of Sanchez/Pacheco/Del Campo sermons...
To Itsnotovertillitsover: Thanks for the refresher. So it was the snowball effect. So now we are just waiting to see what happens at the end of this week? I don't want to throw anymore logs on the fire but I kind of herd somthing similar to what teetime metioned. At least for Tafoya.
To Scotty and the SB people: Your video showed alot of emotion from your people. I could sense the anger and disapointment. I'm praying for your congregation and your pastor. He's a good man. Could of done without the demon voice though.
Voicefromthenorth, I am from up north! We didn't say we were going to boycott your confrence, we said it should be! Do everyone a favor get off this blog! Just because some pastors kiss up to the gb, you feel safe, but many up here felt the pain of our brethern!
Do we have the Green Light from Up North to have the Protest?
===================================
To Anyone at the LB Conference:
Are they allowing cameras and videos?
GREEN!
AZ ApostL said...
I kind of herd somthing similar to what teetime metioned. At least for Tafoya.
Did you have a chance to read Tafoya's letters before the coward removed them?
itsnotovertilitsover,
where can we read that letter!?
or what did it say!?
Go ahead. Mock me now... You WILL see.
I know much. I haven't been wrong yet.
twovote,
yeah im talking about the gb...
its so dumb how they can lavarles el coco a muchos! LOL...
teetime,
where do you get all that stuff from!?
Demon Voice?
Do demons really sound like that? I always thought demons and the devil would use sweeter voices to convince us to sin.
If demons sounded like that, or looked like Darth Vader, or Sidmund the Sea Monster, I bet people would flee the devil in fear.
Speaking of Demons, hows "Brother" Lugo and his Menchmen Mob? Have they pulled another Fidel Castro and Locked Up/Shut Down any other churches lately?
californian said...
where can we read that letter!?
or what did it say!?
Art seemed to have some fight in him back then. I wish I would have saved the letters from aa.info. I never thought anyone would remove them.
As I recall, Art wanted a 'committee of honor and justice' to review the elections. This would be the only official way of conducting an investigation. The GB responded by saying they already completed an 'extensive investigation'. Art asked for a copy of the results and never received them.
There was more to the story.
Does anyone out there still have a copy of the letters?
Henry said...
Demon Voice?
Henry, have you been buying tapes/CDs from FOT?
sd619, I am related to poeple deeply inside...
To: Itsnotovertillitsover: That I did read. As Matter of fact I printed me out a copy of that document. That was a big thing in Az. It died down until recently when pastors started getting ousted and his name was on the list. Maybe in other places demons talk all nice and sweet but not the one's I've experienced!
yEAH mY VIDEO'S COULD HAVE DONE WITHOUT LUGO'S VOICE! HUH?
iT SCARED ME TOO!
teetime
Not deep enough buddy because your info is outdated by probably about 24 hours. You'll catch up I guess.
twovote:
why would i buy FOT? TD Jakes and Rick Warren are all over youtube.com lol
Tee Time...
STick To gOLF.
To: itnotovertillitsover, Californian: It also included a list of the "men of integrity". All the pastors who were on the plantiffs list. It just stated thier accomplishments as pastors and bishops. I will look for the doc and scan you a copy if you want???
Yeah, your teetime is off Tiger!
Gallegos,
dude, I sense a strong displeasure in your words and you too Scotty. You guys need to just calm down and chill out.
I have watched your videos Scotty, and I am going to to take the 5th on that, for the sake of you not cussing me out.
seriously guys, all your hostility, calling these pastors devils really shows your maturity levels. c'mon guys your make us ALL look bad.
I do realize that you all are going to start bashing me now, as the customary thing here.
Voice from the North said...
. . . seriously guys, all your hostility, calling these pastors devils . . .
North, We can't help it if the name fits.
THEY DID IT!
THEY CREATED THE GENERAL BOARD.
Just look at the names of your friends.
It is interesting how the DEVILS come out in the names of the General Board of the Apostolic Assembly
Abel Aguilar
Artie Espinosa
Daniel Sanchez
Eddie Pacheco
Victor Prado
Ismael Martin del Campo
Leobardo Maffey
Sam Valverde
"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam
twovote,
In all the posts that I have had the chance to view; I'd like for you to noticed that those that share you view are the only ones that are using vulgarity and have become hostile.
All the others (though they agree with the ethical wrong that was done) they are not using vulgarity.
You know we can either be civilized in this matter or we can act like subborn little kids..which do you choose?
And please don't response with "the GB this or the GB that" I am talking to YOU. Because you make yourself look foolish.
remember only God is the Judge. and he will have his due. trust me, he will.
I seriously wonder what they were thinking when they rolled out the CID. It does not resemble the structure and cohesiveness that should be becoming of a legal document. (I have yet to see a legal document quote the Greek and give opinionated definitions of words such as "capacity") It is a merely a product of someone thinking they are educated because they went to bible college. Seriously.
And worse, the Pastors that allowed it. OUT OF IGNORANCE!!! Did they know the power they were putting in corrupt men's hands? NO. Did the GB know that Pastors would blindly follow it, impressed with the Greek and five dollar words, they sure hoped so. CHUECOS, CHUECOS, CHUECOS. Relying on the ignorance of these men... SHAME SHAME SHAME... it reminds me of "the Walrus and the Carpenter" (google it, its a poem you should have read in 6th grade :))
I know some denominations that require at least a bachelors to become a pastor. Merely a suggestion.
Now, the CID is document that relies heavily on the "honor system." Besides votes, the qualifying commission must also take into mind capacity, suitability, and rights.
Oh, what a PARADOX! A blatant disregard to the constitution and most of all, to GOD'S WILL.
Now the CID can be useful if used by the hands of honest men. For example: Two candidates, one with 300 votes, one with 305. The first is more capable, equipped with an undergrad or two, has a congregation that experiences a 20% growth annually, and is a man of clean testimony. the 2nd is the total opposite. The CID is useful in this situation.
But, when you take margins like 400 to 2, we have an issue. That's 400 holy men of God, guided by fasting and prayer being ignored. When someone wins by that margin, one cannot question the will of God. WHO IS MAN TO DO THAT?!
WHO IS SANCHEZ? WHO IS VALVERDE? WHO ARE THEY TO DISREGARD 400 MEN OBVIOUSLY GUIDED BY THE HOLY GHOST? You know how i KNOW they were guided by God? Because they all voted the same.
I will end on this note. Historically at every election, there has been fasting. Since the 1930's to 2006 there has been fasting on the day of election. This 2006 election however, it was different. I'll be more specific... why don't you ask Sanchez what topping he had on his pizza? WHY DON'T YOU ALL ASK YOUR PASTORS THAT? WHY WAS THERE NO FASTING??!!
to quote M.Gallegos:
They did this!
They divided the church!
They hurt the people of God!
They did this wrong!
They lied to 400+ pastors!
They made fools of themselves!
You want healing, then you must step down! Otherwise we will not stop!
God did not give us a spirit of fear! But he gave us a spirit of power!
Voice from the North said...
twovote,
. . . using vulgarity and have become hostile.
Whoa there little lassie, I haven't seen vulgarity with twovote. I've seen some creative thinking and it makes me want to dig deeper.
"in case anyone cares, up here in Nor Cal, this whole thing hasn't affected us. We are just as focused on our churches as ever."
Maybe you should take on my name. If you were focusing on your churches, you wouldn't be here!
AND, while we're here, shouldn't we say GOD'S church
Good Job Carlos!
Voice That No1 Hears...
"I have watched your videos Scotty, and I am going to to take the 5th on that, for the sake of you not cussing me out."
yEAH bECAUSE i curse every1 that Defends the "Godly BOys" Right???...
hypocrite,
I apologize for rolling him into all the others who have been using vulgarity in regards to the pastors.
And I am on here searching for people who want help think of creative ways to change our future.
I am minister, and I know that I am not called to pastor, but I figure that if God had wanted me in another organization or church group, I would have been converted in one of those. But since this version of the gospel was the one that convicted me; then this version of the gospel is where I am staying.
Again, I am searching for people like me (mid 20's) who want to help mold the future. And I stress, in a civilized manner.
Voice from the North.
You must be willing to commit to sound biblical exegesis.
When did Israel ever deal in a "civilized" manner?
I guess Deborah dealt with that King in a "civiilized" manner.
Moses should have been more "civilized" when dealing with that Egyptian Soldier.
Perhaps, when Jesus entered the Temple to deal with the money changers, he should have acted more
"Civilized".
When God condemns Satan/Lucifer/Anti-Christ to Hell for eternity, will that be interpreted at being "civilized"?
Israel should have never went to war with anyone, they should have been more "civilized".
Can we negotiate a "civilized" peace accord with Satan?
Voice from the North said...
remember only God is the Judge. and he will have his due. trust me, he will.
With your comments, it seems like you're judging me.
Again, I am searching for people like me (mid 20's) who want to help mold the future. And I stress, in a civilized manner.
On this list, you'll find two people: those that follow the AA like a lamb to slaughter and those that follow the lamb. If you are young in your faith, you might be better served staying away.
Remember we serve God, not man
Civilized
Reminds me of this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ziPxqMD8OJA
To Skottywillshowyou,
While I do not agree with you putting your video tape on the blog, but if you are going video tape you should have asked Baldemar some tough questions since Corruption has always been in the AA.
I would like to pose the following questions to Baldemar:
1) When Eddie Pacheco committed his so called car scams, like APWC has posted in the past, did you send him to the mission field at the height of the pressure surrounding his actions?
2) If everything is true about Eddie Pacheco, Why did you allow Pacheco to continue to be an AA minister? Did you ever appoint him to any positions?
3) Have you ever removed any pastors in the same manner that the GB removed you? Did you enter the local church and tell the members that their pastor has been removed?
4) If you did, were the people hurt and not wanting their pastor to be removed? If the answer is yes, how did you respond or feel about it? Did you have the attitude that you were the supreme authority of the AA? or did you retract your removal and allow the local church to make the decision?
It would be nice if Baldemar would be a guest on this blog so people of the other side could ask him some questions.
Might as well go back and ask Roosevelt why he didn't launch a prevemptive attack against the Japanese on Dec. 5, 1941
ongaurd
side note: ongaurd = someone that is defensive, which relays in your post.
You have the right to your questions, as does anyone else on this blog.
Being apart of the AA still, I can not say I am against you, however nor will I say I am with.
The thoughts that come to my mind is if Dr. Baldemar did do these things, maybe he was giving Eddie Pacheco a second chance and was showing the love of God while in his ministry. Think about it, Eddie and Sam, Dr. Baldemar gave a chance, and they turned around and bit the hands that fed them.
Hmm, this reminds me of the story of Jesus and Judas.
I believe Dr. Baldemar should have put his foot down on them back then. However, that is letting my flesh take over isn't it?
I would really like to hear from the people that Dr. Baldemar supposedly ousted. Why aren't they speaking up if it really affected them that much and was done in the manner people like you say it was? And where is the evidence of all this? Did he oust pastors that were speaking up for what they thought was morally right?
To Apostolicanalyst / July 8 11:34 p.m.
Excuse my late response. No, I am not inside the meetings;however, the informatioin is true.
As for Sanchez will hold to the November convention, because in 2009 there will be no convention and he can rest.
I think their plan is that this coming convention not many will attend, since the program starts on Friday (day after thanksgiving) and ends on Wednesday. Many pastors will not attend and that would be a good reason not to make a convention on 2009. This action helps Valverde for any ponencias or propuestas to be limited to the convention in 2010.
On the convention of 2010 all he has to do is make the election day early on the week and have any business done after the election. All he needs then is for him and his primo to vote for him for president and his in.
He can do this because he and whoever he chooses for the calificadora will be on his side.
Another area he has covered in preparing for the future. He has sent quite a few of his ministers to the East coast to take over churches. All these pastors are for him and have been disciple by him.
Well, many things to point out on the Estrategia de Valverde.
Atentamente,
Doroteo Arango
Echenle muchachos esto se pone mejor cada dia.esta buenisima tu fuente mi estimado doroteo no le entendi muccho en su idioma pero esta buena..
Esto me gusta que arda todo el Despapaye muchachos.Que Viva Mexico.Att El Pestayo..
Pestayo, por lo menos no estas tan paisa y entiendes. Pero al grano, para mi Valverde tiene planeadas todas las avenidas para el llegar a donde todos los pelones llegan;a la presidencia. Te hablo de esta manera porque tu eres de Mex-si-co (con acento gringo)
Es una persona con astucia y con grandes planes. Pero cuando te pagan y no te cuesta el dinero te puedes tomar todo el tiempo del mundo para planear todo tipo cosas. Incluyendo como ser presidente aunque no me querian.
Buenos ejemplos de esto son, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, El PRI en Mexico y muchos ejemplos que no son necesarios de mencionar. Creo que soy claro.
Pestayo, en nuestra organizacion hay un departamento que se llama Asistenci Social, escribeles a la mejor te pagan un curso de "Ingles Sin Barreras" pa' que te pongas al tiro, por lo menos en el idioma Inglish, porque en espanol ya veo que tambien te falla.
Hasta pronto y gracias por tu porras.
Que Viva La Revolucion ! ! !
Henry...
there is a common link between all those "examples" that you post.
They are all in the Old Testament.
Paul said that our warfare is no longer carnal, but now spiritual.
That means instead of calling pastors devils, pray for them. Besides, I really don't think that all those nonsense is going to equate to much.
I think that only real change that will happen is at the next elections; until then, just useless threats and frustrations.
If my memory serves me correctly (and I know that someone will correct me) but I think that first couple of positions are majority. Right? So if the pastor truely believe that they were not considered, then its pretty hard to win anything with 0 votes.
Carlos - it appears that you have left with your pastor Baldemar, may I suggest just leaving.
We'll pray for you and you are welcome to any of our services (assuming that your objective of your attendance is to worship and not picket).
excuse my naiveness, but again, up here this doesn't effect us much; as we don't have any GB members pastoring up here.
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