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«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 1271 Newer› Newest»Sam,
You truly are a menso.
Do you think only a Pastor can boot a minister ?
Have you ever heard of a Bishop ?
Is that word in your vocabulary ? Do you know what a Bishop does or what the position entails ?
And I asked if anyone heard of this ? I didnt say I knew him or that it was true or not true.
But you always have a way of showing your idiocy.
Log out and back in with one of your other user names and argue with yourself.LOL
Any word on the lawsuit?
Sam,
Come out, come out, from where ever you're at? LOL LOL LOL LOL Dumb ..ss!
Sam is wrestling with Timo.
He is pretending to be into MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts )
Just to get close to Timo
one word for you tards, LEAVE ME ALONE!!
Sam,
Can you ask Timo if you can come out and play? I need someone I can play house with. And the word at FTC is that you've been playing house with him for a while!
I might be menso, at least I admit it. you tards keep up with your nosense gabberish. you tards is a bunch of secular humanisticos
Sammy,
I'll be watching you at the Serrato's house!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL, Dumb .ss!
i bet you is watching me, and checking me out you queerlord. you like my fashion. you is homoqueer cbg
Sam, for the record "LEAVE ME ALONE" is three words, not one. You related to the GB that can't count? Its what started this whole mess. RECOUNT, RECOUNT, RECOUNT!
to henry said...
Any word on the lawsuit?
April 24, 2008 3:56 PM
I have heard that the plaintiffs have decided to have their case heard in the court of appeals. They took their chance with one judge determining the decision and it didn't turn out good for them. They are now thinking that their chances are improved this time around given that there should be three judges determining their cause.
To all the bloggers... let's stick to the issue at hand which is: ""2006 General Election Irregularities" and ignore "sam"!
I was talking with a pastor the other day; we were discussing the 2006 election (fixed) election. He said that it is up to the young pastors and minister to send "ponencias" and change things with our vote. I asked him how can we change things with our vote if our votes don't even count? That might works in the secular world, maybe amongst the democrats and the republicans. However, it is sad that in an organization whose ethical standards are thought to be above those of the secular and political world are in reality LOWER than and less than theirs.
There has been too much damage done to the pastors to have any kind of respect for their leaders in HIGH PLACES in the AA.
Having said that, I am not discouraged, nor am I despondent, for when you look at things in hindsight, you can see with a clear understanding, that under the present ruling circumstances, this was destined to happen sooner or later.
As I was listing to the news on the radio today, it reported that the Baptist church is losing members faster than they are baptizing them. They also reported that the churches that are growing and even thriving are the ones that are not part of any mainstream denomination.
Maybe the Lord didn't intend for His Body to be so "FAT" of an organization with all of its fat bishops and fat elders and fat pastors who are compelled to make decisions based their political ambitions and monetary greed. Just a thought!
I for one, am taking a serious look at going independent.
Nothing will change as long as the CID is in place, and our DGB are not in a hurry to fix it, as long as they have their family coming up.
So they just want to keep on appointing family or who ever they want on the board.
All they need us for us to bleed us out of our hard earned money, which they love to spend on yearly family trips to NYC and box seats at sports complexes.
From what I understand they can well do anything they please, and it won't be soon before it stops.
Maybe after Malverde becomes KING and his reign comes to and end. I think I read somewhere in here that he wonders why don't the hermanos tremble in fear when a board member shows up like the old times.
Well Sammy let me tell you that they are trembling. Only thing is now they tremble cause when you show up you want the MONEY. Cause respect is something that you will never have again.
And to think that I have always felt unworthy to even step up to the platform let alone stand behind the pulpit out of respect.
And for this so call MEN OF GOD. GOD'S ANIONTED to stand behind the pulpit with their dirty hands and not even blink an eye because of all the dirty deeds they have done.I know Baptist and Assembly of God Pastors with 100 times more morals then then this den of theves that we have, and they don't even have the truth. What a disgrace and slap in the face to us the members!
To cbg:
Response to April 23, 11:08 pm.
No, Baldemar did nothing to me or my family. (Thank GOD!)
Why don't you want to see that Baldermar committed THE SAME KIND of election fraud that he is suing the Board about?
How is this equitable?
If you read my blog carefully, you will see that I was referring to OTHERS who were scammed. I do not make this a personal issue.
But do you not see where Baldemar let Pacheco get away with the car scam by sending him to Chile?
As Presiding Bishop, he should have held Pacheco accountable.
I am hurting for all those who got scammed by Pacheco, for Henry Palma's family.
I also hurt for those who were kicked out of their churches, who were mistreated by Baldemar and his cronies, and are still being victimized by Sanchez and a corrupt Board.
I have had to pray with and counsel pastors who were mistreated by Baldemar and by Sanchez.
If Sanchez is guilty, which he is, SO IS Baldemar. I see NO difference in their guilt. They should both step down.
If you do not see culpability with Baldemar as well as Sanchez, you are not addressing the WHOLE issue or your conscience, my friend, is seared.
I don't know why so many of you just don't what to believe that The Apostolic Assembly does not have the truth.
Now whosoever supposes that he can know the truth while he is still living iniquitously, is in error.
- St. Augustine
To Sola dei Gloria ("For the Glory of God Alone"?)
There is no problem within our wonderful Assembly regarding our beliefs. I don't think anyone in our beloved organization is leaving or contemplating leaving because of our beliefs. I assure you that in the majority we are all steadfast in our beliefs.
The issue at hand is about an abuse of power of a few. This does not mean our whole assembly is corrupt. We love and believe in our Apostolic Assembly and I believe with God's help and your prayers we will pull out of this and move forward for "the Glory of God Alone".
has anyone down in texas know what happened to bishop rodriguez??? was he removed???
To "Come Again"
The problem is the men that are in power are teaching you those beliefs. If they are our leaders and they cannot sort out their own problems, where does that leave us. Remember, history (church history, not Apostolic history) has taught us that "organizations" do not survive. Those that do survive, adhere to sound biblical exegesis.
To sola dei gloria,
I don't know about others, but I my beliefs come from the Word of God. I don't simply believe something just because someone says it. That's why it is important to read the Bible. I am tired of people who follow men and take their word as gospel. (I am not saying at all that we should question our own pastors or ministers. I place my pastor in high esteem and respect him greatly!) We alone are responsible for our salvation. Those people rely too much on other people rather than God. That is how the GB has been able to gain so much power, because people have given it to them.
People are fallible. We must place our emphasis on God!
man.apostolic said...
has anyone down in texas know what happened to bishop rodriguez??? was he removed???
April 27, 2008 10:05 PM
from where did you get the information that the GB was going to remove Bishop Rodriguez and for what reason? He is not involved in the lawsuit.
This is the point I am trying to make. The Apostolic Assembly has 18 Doctrinal in their statement of faith. Not one of those doctrinal identifies an authority of the scriptures. When you don’t have an authority for (The Bible in this case) for what you believe, then what you believe is just opinion or preference. I know a lot of Apostolics are hurt. But we must return to sound biblical authority that dictates the way we believe, live and even worship God. If our GB is corrupt, then what they have been teaching is also corrupt. Faithfulness must first come to the inspired scriptures, then everything else (including Holiness) will necessarily follow.
Sola de gloria is from el cuerpo de cristo or from luz del mundo. both is cults from hell.
To:sola dei gloria,
You just made the comment that "none" of the 18 doctrinal points adopted by the assembly indentify an authority based on the scriptures and being so we base what we believe on our own preferences and our own opinions. My question is this: Is this comment your own belief and own opinion or can you indentify your comment as an authority in the scriptures? Can you (based on the scriptures) say that none of the 18 doctrinal points are a bibical authority?
Who is going to believe you Sam. You make decisions from the seat of your pants. Just more Apostolic mentality at work. You’re not thinking. You think like the Old Testament pagans who made spiritual decisions using only their senses. Do the Assembly a favor and stop embarrassing them.
To Apostolic Youth:
Whoever makes a declarative statement has the burden of proof. A declarative statement is either true or false. Why are these 18 statements true??
sola de gloria. your thought process is more secular humanistic than biblical. see, i've studied all you have wrotten. you use secular humanistic psuedo psychology sprinkled with some biblical references to justify what you say and like we are supposed to take it for fact without question.
sorry, but your baseless logic with secular humanistic background doesn't pass the test.
you don't like the apostolic church because we have standards and your live doen't live up to our standards.
Sam
You are just afraid to think. The Apostolic church has made you an intellectual weakling. You don’t even use the term secular humanist in its proper context. You are just another high profile legalist that thinks the bible is just a book to motivate you. Your standards are just what you say they are “Your Standards” not God’s standards. The Pharisee’s thought they had high standards. They sure were wrong.
To:sola dei gloria,
You're right in saying "Whoever makes a declarative statement has the burden of proof. A declarative statement is either true or false." That is why I asked if you can explain to me based on scriptural authority why the 18 doctrinal points are not based on biblical authority since you made the declarative statement that none of them are. I just plainly asked if that is your own opinion or is it based on biblical authority. I'm not trying to get away from the question you just posed to me about why are the points true but would like to know why you say they're not since you made that declarative statement.
To Apostolic Youth
I never said the 18 doctrinal points were false, I just asked what was their authority. Answer the question!
sola de gloria, your one of those people who like to discard the old testament. you talk about the pharasees. sure, they had issues but the law was and still is the law.
you're one of those semi intellectual yuppies who got past community college and think you are the apostolic Frued what think you know it all. you want to have a church thats all about feel good, blame someone else and just says its all about love like you are some kind of messiah.
the fact is, you are bitter and a hater of apostolic doctrine. you already said you hated the doctrine of the pharasees. the pharasees had the right doctrine, they just lost the spirit of how the law was written and they rejected jesus. see, if the pharasees accepted jesus, its the end of the discussion.
secular humanism will not be allowed in heaven. trust me.
To sola dei gloria:
You commented they're not based on scriptural authority and I asked if that was your opinion or is it based on scriptural authority. It's ok if you dont want to answer I just wanted to know why you tought that way, if it was out of your own preferences or out of biblical authority and if it was out of biblical authority can you share how is that? You made the comment first
To Apostolic Youth:
I just want to know if what you are teaching me is heavenly or earthly. Allot of Christians don’t believe the bible is the Inspired Word of God (God Breathed). Many of our preachers don’t even believe this. They launch from scripture but they land in error. I’m sure you have heard a number of these sermons.
Response to Pacheco’s Associates
I have read the dim-witted posts of anonymous writers on this site as well as on other blogs. I have held my peace despite the many people who choose to attempt to defame the character of certain men of God. I figured that most of the disrespectful posts were from unintelligent youth that have no fear of God. Most of the bloggers write without thinking of the repercussions their hateful words may have. They spare no one in the attempt to slander the men they think are responsible for the election issues. These blogs are more than just unhappy, discontent, dissatisfied members of the AA. They are from bloggers that have allowed the seeds of bitterness to grow and take roots in their hearts. They parade their pharisaical ideologies in an attempt to poison the body of Christ.
QUESTIONS:
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Jesus Christ, Inc, Associate with Ms. Bernice Molina Salcido in the Car Scam Program?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc, make presentations in Apostolic Assembly Churches for the Car Scam?
Did not Edward Pacheco while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc, solicit money for cars that were never delivered?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc refuse to repay his victims?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ Inc., solicit CASH ONLY Payments for the Car Scam?
Did not Mr. Edward Pacheco, while a Licensed Minister and Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc all of a sudden relocate to foreign soil to avoid prosecution by Arizona and Federal Authorities?
“Pacheco’s Associate” post is a prime example of how hateful the chaff amongst the wheat can be. They cause division amongst the children of God. They are nothing more than wolves in sheep’s clothing attempting to destroy what the Lord Himself has built.
The document posted about Rogelio Alvarez is true…. FACT
Pastor Edward Pacheco is affiliated with Rogelio Alvarez…. FACT
Who is Rogelio Garduno Alvarez? Rogelio is actually a Minister at Corona church where Edward Pacheco serves as the Pastor. He was baptized on 12/31/1999. He was set aside to the ministry on 07/03. Later, he was ordained as a minister on 07/05. I know this because I have access to the ministerial licensing files. This information is not difficult to verify if you wish to do so.
This information in the “Pacheco’s Associate” post is not new to me nor to many others. In fact, I have come to know Bro. Roger (As I have many of the ministers in the district). I have heard his TESTIMONY directly from his mouth while the tears rolled down the contours of his face. While in the world he made many bad decisions that propelled him into the prosperity of an industrious brokerage. However, as proven by the court documents, he did not always follow the letter of the law. In fact, this experience is what lead him to the feet of Christ. He came to Christ in a state of complete brokenness and humility. Having lost everything, Christ was his only way out.
The fact that the author of this original post has attempted to defame the character of Pastor Pacheco by dragging his “associate” through the mud is detestable. Did not Christ make it a point to sit and eat with the Publicans and the sinners? Are you ignorant to the fact that the AA is littered with people who were once the worst this world could offer and are now teachers and preachers? Many came to Christ desolate and destitute and received the mercy of God. Who are you to point out the faults that the blood of Christ has already covered? Do you not have any moral values at all? And you have the audacity to question the integrity of others…Please! In due time you will reap what you have sowed for His word will always come to pass. Let God be true and all men liars!!!
I urge all others in the love of Christ to think before you post something as vile and despicable as the author of “Pacheco’s Associate” did. God Bless, A Mike
Allow me to Retort…..
Slander as defined in Tort Law, is a lie that is spoken with the intent to defame an individual’s character done in such a manner as to hurt that individual reputation that results in financial damages. However, what we have here are written words, that, if untrue, and written in wanton disregard for the truth, would qualify for Libel.
In slander and libel, the Truth is always a valid defense. Therefore, your attempt to qualify my written statements as slander is as uneducated as it gets.
What have I said that is NOT TRUE? I made statements that are well known and public information. The documentation I provided is open to the Public in accordance with the law so that the General Public can be protected.
My statements regarding Mr. Edward Pacheco are true. I am fully convinced that Mr. Edward Pacheco uses his position as a Licensed Minister/Pastor of the Apostolic Assembly in the Faith of Jesus Christ Inc, solely for his own personal gain.
i.e. the purchase of numerous luxury homes in the last 2 years.
I point out Mr. Edward Pacheco’s Associations with Convicted Felons, Bernice Molina Salcido(Convicted in Maricopa County Superior Court, Arizona for FRAUD in the Car Scam) and Roger Alvarez, aka Rogelio Garduno Alvarez(Convicted for FRAUD in the United States District Court, Central District, California, and whose Real Estate Brokers License was REVOKED by the Commissioner of the California Department of Real Estate) to show that our Bishop Secretary has a pattern of behavior that is not commensurate with a man who is allegedly a Full Time Minister in our organization, let alone a man “elected” to lead our national organization.
In both the Car Scam and Real Estate Investment Project, Mr. Edward Pacheco has used his position as a Pastor and now National Board Member to gain an audience to promote his ventures with his associates, Bernice Molina Salcido and Rogelio Garduno Alvarez, both convicted felons. He uses his Influence for his own personal gain. Mind you, both were convicted of Fraud. He has teamed up with both of them to gain access to more Money.
Mr. Edward Pacheco, in my opinion, is a man of questionable character. Character is a highly determining factor when one is selected to a position of trust, such as a licensed minister of the church or to a governmental agency. Garduno Alvarez had that trust as granted by the Commissioner of the Department of Real Estate. He broke that trust and violated his FIDUCIARY Duty to his clients and to the general welfare of the public, by committing FRAUD.
Mr. Edward Pacheco, in my opinion, has a problem with Greed. He lusted for money in the Car Scam. By his action alone in the scam, he made presentations, which FACT has proven to be False Representations and Claims to Defraud Hermanos and Souls of Money as an ACCOMPLICE in the Crime of Larceny by Trick. Then there is his partnership in the Criminal Venture of the Car Scam. As the criminal law states, where two or more are gathered and act in agreement, we have CONSPIRACY.
Did Mr. Edward Pacheco terminate his involvement before people reported the matter to the authorities? No. He did not cease his involvement until AFTER they were found out.
What happened to the money? Where did it go?
Now here we are in 2007, and Mr Edward Pacheco is at it again. Teaming up with Convicted Felon, Roger Garduno Alvarez, in a Real Estate Investment Venture.
Mr. Roger Alvarez cannot act in any transaction that would involve a real estate license. No, his REVOKED Real Estate Broker License is not a Valid License. If Mr. Alvarez is acting in a capacity that would require a real estate license, then according to California Real Estate Law and the California Business and Professional Code of Law, then Mr. Alvarez is acting in Willful and Wanton Violation of the Law. If there is an Intent to permanently deprive any people of money by this venture, then he will again, if he hasn’t already been in another case of Fraud.
Pooling people together to invest in Fixer Uppers, in the current market, with the supposed goal to build a retirement fund, appears to be “fishy”. Additionally, conspiring with people to have homeowners take money out of their homes for the intent to invest in a speculative investment, could very well be a violation of Securities and Exchange Commission Code.
I stand by my comments. If you view them as divisive, then I recommend you advise your “Pastor” , Mr. Edward Pacheco to immediately RESIGN. His character is unbecoming a Licensed Minister of the Apostolic Assembly the Faith of Jesus Christ, Inc.
When Mr. Edward Pacheco became an “Elected” Member of the National Board, he became a public figure whose character, decisions, and actions will and have come under greater public scrutiny.
Had Mr. Edward Pacheco acted with honesty, honor, and truth, then he would not be in the position he is and would definitely not be receiving the amount a of criticism he has.
Oh Oh
Aw shucks! Maybe we should all start deleting our slanderous and libelous posts and getting new identities. See you in prison, Sammy!
Or better yet, let's pray and get it out of our system.
I came across that this morning. I thought you guys would like to read it if you haven't already. :)
Whoever wrote that is a genious.
He he he.....
tell me about it! I was amaze of how this person did not use any curse words and still gave a powerful message.! Unlike people here aka Sam (who i believe is using like 3 different logins)
I have always said that cursing should not be tolerated or allowed with members of the AA.
With the sole exception to being able to curse out the devil, aka satan, lucifer.
But, my proposed amendment to the AA Constitution would never see the light of day since I am not the holder of a "CID Approved Card".
And since I have issue with the Secretary of the beloved Asamblea, I severely doubt he would approve a measure to allow the membership to vote on it. Again, it would never get past "Committe of 3".
Being able to curse the Devil is a right every apostolic should have.
But thats just my OPINION.
why do you have so much grudge against the Sec? of the AA Henry?
if u dont want to tell me i can give u my email.
from where did you get the information that the GB was going to remove Bishop Rodriguez and for what reason? He is not involved in the lawsuit.
I mention it because apostolic analyst on april 20th mentioned that they would replace rodriguez with espinoza down in texas as bishop. i was just wondering cause i heard a conspiracy theory.
I don't have a "grudge". I have an "issue".
can we just all get alonggkhus
To all bloggers,
Can I ask, "Am I the only one who is not baptized in this blog? Are there any others?"
UNITED
who's your Bishop
Everyone is hard on Valverde for installing his cousin as Bishop Sec
But what about Dan Sanshez he installed his brother in law Espinosa as Bishop for foreign countries.
Also one of his brothers is a Bishop for one of the Districts in California where in the same District two other brothers are pastors.
Now if they deserve it and they are Men of God good,but I dought it specially if they learned from the big brother(Dan).
Does anybody down in Texas know if Bishop Mario Rodriguez has been removed yet?
I hear that he is a good bud' of Sanchez, but in this case, the brother-in-law (Espinoza) is more important.
I also heard a conspiracy theory and that Bishop Rodriguez is in the way of Espinoza taking over that big church.
Speaking to someone here in California, they said that Bishop Mario Rodriguez has not been attending church regularly, claiming ill health.
Could they be setting up the excuse for his being ousted?
I personally like Bishop Rodriguez. He has been a hard working Pastor and fought a good fight.
His downfall was trusting Sanchez.
So who will come to do the dirty work of removing Bishop Rodriguez?
Will it be the same honorable verdugos that were sent to Willie and Torres?
How big is Bishop'S Rodrigues Church? How big is Espinosa's
church and where is it located at?
Well I was and raise in FTC church since the slover times. Now im under bishop Iglesias i think. State of Arizona it use to be Bishop Tafoya!
CHECK THIS IS OUT!!!
sam has left a new comment on the post "D-Day! 2006 General Election Irregularities":
I don't have a "Grudge". I have an "Issue".
That issue also goes towards the "standards" the gb has towards its policies.
There is a huge double standard to those policies they enforce on the ministers, pastors and leaders of the AA.
But when it comes to applying those same standards to their own, they don't.
For example, I went to Mr. Pacheco's church a couple of sundays ago before the La Opinion article broke. There's a young man there who has been serving the Lord for years. For as long as I have known him, he has been a leader, given bible studies, maintained an excellent testimony. By all means, he should be a "Licensed Minister" by now.
But no. He isn't. He's a Deacon. But let Convicted Felon, Roger Garduno, whose background in finance, real estate whisper sweet nothings into Mr. Pacheco's ear and he becomes a "Licensed Minister" as if he was the 2nd coming of Apostle Paul. Then, give him an audience with pastors in an "investment scheme". Would you let a convicted molester teach sunday school?
I understand the man has repented. He even greeted me. Roger comes accross as a nice guy. But there's pleanty of other ministries he can do without the AA sanctioning him.
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Posted by sam to Apostolic News at April 28, 2008 4:48 PM
SEEMS TO ME THAT SAM IS USING HENRY LOG IN ASWELL
U GOT CAUGHT IN THE ACT DUDE! GET A LIFE!
If u can see i was talking to HENRY and I asked HENRY why does he have such a grudge against the Sec of the AA and I get a response by SAM (i think u forgot to log off)
UNITED
Are you a minister or pastor?
none. just a regular church guy but i am byptized. why do u ask?
well it was a good comment there yesturday at 1;36p.m.
sound with a lot of respect maybe better than how some pastors would sound.
where did you get all that info?
And if true that just confirms that it doesn't matter who makes Bishop President they are all the same.
and that also goes for District levels.
There has been a lot of pastors removed for laim reasons, they are not related to no big cheese SO they just removed them.
But in the other hand you got pastors that has no bussines being pastors, but they will not be removed because they are related to some AA big cheese.
Thanh you UNITED for that good info.
Sam also lives a double life at church! If only you guys could see him outside of church - my GOD!
Hey justice 2 do u think u can give me ur email so i can email some things or if u dnt feel safe to do so i can give u mine because i am not affraid to show who i am or affraid of what i stand for.
CBG SAM aka HENRy can be alot of things i can really care less of what he does. I use to go to FTC but i wasnt their for gossip or anything i was their to have a relationship with GOD.
Who Would Jesus Sue
Bro. Ávila questioned the use of the term: "Titans of the Organization."
- One definition of the word Titan is: a person of exceptional importance and reputation.
- In the "Men of Integrity" document, it lists the names of several of those that are also listed on the "Demand Letter" (Parks, 5/23/07) The former General Board members alone total 96 years of General Board experience. And the addition of other Bishops and Elders clearly displays that these brothers are of "exceptional importance and reputation." This is precisely why their words and actions carry such weight throughout the Church Body, and the resulting consequences of their words and actions (both seen and unforeseen) are of great significance.
Bro. Ávila stated that there have been times when the "Assembly" has been involved in legal cases, prior to this situation. Also, I completely agree with him that there are times when the actions of an individual are so grievous, that a responsible organization must use the legal system to deal with these actions. I still contend that the current wide ranging challenge to the whole current General Board has to be unlike any other previous legal action involving the Assembly. For this situation, like none other, has been injected into the very "Blood Stream" of the organization, affecting the whole Body.
Bro. Ávila stated, "We are not filing a lawsuit against “the church” but against the behavior of a few individuals that in our opinion operated unjustly." True, the Organization is not the "Church", but the Organization is part of the "Church". When the "Complaint", lists the Defendants, it doesn't start out listing the "few" individuals, but the "APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS, A California Non-Profit Religious Corporation," then every member of the General Board, and others. How can you sue the "head" of the Organization, and not the "body" of that same Organization, at the same time?
Bro. Ávila states that this is not an "Us" verses "Them" issue. It's hard to not think that "Us" verses "Them" is the correct perception, because lawyers don't often enter a situation where there is no battle, or at least a threat of one. There are only opposing lawyers, when there are opposing sides.
Bro. Ávila acknowledges "that there will be some collateral damage done." (Defense Trust Fund, dated 07/26/07) It's hard to imagine that anyone can become "fully aware" of the implications that could result from this lawsuit. We'll never really know the full impact to this "Apostolic Body of Christ". The young person who carries bitterness in his heart and decides that he doesn't want to join the ministry, the person who just walks away from church, the unsaved husband, "looking for a reason" to not go to "that church" with his saved wife and children. Obviously, it's not the intent of any of those involved for this type of thing to happen, and we all continually pray that the impact is minimal. But the truth of the matter is - you can choose the words you say, but you can't always choose the consequences of those words.
The Consequences of Words
In my previous WWJS document, I was concerned about the affect the comments, by some of the Petitioners/Consenters, have had on the young people, in terms of them having continued trust in their leadership and the organization as a whole. Bro. Ávila said that "It is for this new generation’s stead that we are pursuing a course of action that will sift our fellowship, the Apostolic Assembly."
I agree that the fellowship is being "sifted"... But to what end? Is respect for the General Board being sifted out? Is respect for certain Bishops being sifted out? Is common decency and kindness being sifted out?
The comments from various elders, Bishops and former board members have seemed to promote a feeling that it's "OPEN SEASON" against the General Board members.
- Examples:
1) Bishop Tafoya stating that the "General Board has lost its credibility and respect" (letter dated 3/16/07)
2) Pastor Ephraim Andrade stating that the current General Board is continuing on "illegitimately." (Double Standard - dated 10/04/07, section 3(d))
3) Bro. Saul Ávila, calling the elections a "travesty" (Election Legal Defense Trust Fund letter, dated 07/26/07)
4) The cyber-character assassination attempts on Bro. Pacheco, via the internet.
Based on these comments and others, it could be considered, by some people in our churches, that it is acceptable and legitimate to speak negatively against the leadership of the Assembly. ("If the Bishop can say these things about national leadership, why can't I?")
Words are powerful ... and once spoken - you can't take them back, anymore than you can "un-ring" a bell.
The True "Cost" of the Lawsuit
Money spent on billable legal hours, by the lawyers on both sides, may turnout to be the smallest portion of the overall "cost" of the lawsuit, compared to the potential emotional and spiritual toll. This firestorm of controversy will end, as all fires do, but the question is: what will the church "landscape" look like? Yes, the fire will be extinguished, but how much emotional acreage will be charred and scarred? And how long will it be before anything healthy grows in those charred areas again?
It's true that the brothers, that are bringing this action against the General Board, have a sincere belief that the elections in 2006 were conducted incorrectly and warranted further examination. The most important issue, for many in the "Assembly", is: Has the true "cost" been sufficiently counted prior to the unleashing of this legal action against the leaders of the organization?
In the letter from Attorney Gary E. Parks, he states that this "confrontation will most assuredly be costly in terms of time and effort and one that could be injurious to the well being of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus." He threatens that if a new election is held that "no litigation will be commenced." Mr. Park further states, that he desires that litigation can be avoided, "so that the unpleasantness and potential divisiveness of litigation can be avoided." (Park letter, dated 5/23/07)
The supporters listed in this letter realize that continuing down this legal path could
1) be costly
2) be injurious to the well being of the Assembly
3) be unpleasant and,
4) be potentially divisive.
It makes many people wonder if all of this action and activity is really worth it, especially when one begins to fully "count the cost."
The Filing
The answer is "Yes", from Petitioners and Consenters of the original Demand letter, to the question: "Do the alleged actions during the 2006 election rise to a level worthy enough to warrant proceeding with legal action, if certain demands are not met?" So, as we type, all of the letters, e-mails, phone calls, meetings, attorney letters, praying and fasting have come down to Case #706256, being Filed on 11/08/07, in the Superior Court of the State of California in the County of San Bernardino, Rancho Cucamonga District.
Now - time and a judge/jury/or settlement will reveal what the outcome will be.
Potential Outcomes
The whole matter may come down to one basic and fundamental issue, was the Constitution violated during the election process or not. Obviously, there are ministers that were clearly not satisfied by how the election was conducted and the results. And if there are things that need to be changed in the Constitution, for the betterment of the Assembly, changes should be made to avoid this from happening again in the future.
There is likely to be one of the three following outcomes:
1) The Complaint is upheld and the Plaintiffs receive a favorable ruling and new elections could result.
2) The Complaint is not upheld and the Defendants receive a favorable ruling and the current General Board continues to the completion of their various terms.
3) There is a settlement between the two parties and the issue is removed from the legal system and a "third-way" is agreed upon.
If outcomes #2, or #3, result - this leads to a most important question, which is: What will the Petitioners/Consenters do if a new election is not held? The claim, in the "Complaint," is that the Plaintiffs are suffering "great and irreparable injury" and that "no amount of money damages can ever compensate the Plaintiffs for the injuries they have and are continuing to suffer."
At what point will the Petitioners/Consenters stop in their pursuit for a new election? Bro. Ávila wrote that the Petitioners/Consenters will "pursue this to its finality - justice." Will these brothers take the word of the court (or a settlement) as the final word? One would hope so. Not only to close this case, but to aid in the speedy healing of the Apostolic body as a whole.
Al Gore took the 2000 Presidential election results to the Supreme Court. After the Court ruled in favor of George W. Bush, Mr. Gore stated that it would be best for the nation that he drops all further legal actions. Will this happen in this case, if the Complaint is not upheld and the 2006 election set aside? In his Dec. 13, 2000 concession speech, Al Gore said "I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new President elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together." And said, of then President-Elect George W. Bush, "May God bless his stewardship of this Country." I'm sure it is the hope of many, who love this great moment, that if there is a decision to end legal action, that the Petitioners and Consenters will also pray God's blessing upon the stewardship of the General Board of the Assembly, as we all move forward.
I pray that soon we beat our swords into plow-shares, and return 100% of our efforts back into the fields that are "white already to harvest" and work together in unity as we advance the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
Until further court action is brought forth, we wait in prayer - without ceasing.. believing that all things will work together for the good.
There are noble men on both sides of this situation, whose Heavenly crowns will be heavy-laden due to their mighty work - in service to the King of Kings, and for that reason - all sides should continue in honor and respect for each other, as well should the whole Assembly. When this issue is all said and done, we should all join in the prayer that Christ had for us, when He said in John 17:21 - "..That they all may be one .."
After all, aren't we a "Oneness" organization?
An Apostolic Minister
When there is cancer in the body do you not go after that infected portion and surgically remove it in order to save the rest that is healthy ?
And there is not one Man on this earth that is above scrutiny and above reproach.
We are all Men and if we behave in a manner not becoming of a Christian then we deserve to be called on it.
How much more does that apply if you have accepted a position of leadership ?
1Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
on bishop rodriguez.......
I heard that conspiracy theory the ex-bishop herman garza and a lady called rose rocha are behind this. they seem to have a grudge
UNITED
I would like to give you my e-mail but I don't want any one to know who I am.
Maybe when I'm ready to go independent, I wont care anymore but at this time they will probably remove me from the church of God the one I pastor.
I love the works of God, but I can't be under liders that are fighting within them,and then you hear them in pastors meetings or District services how great we're doing(AA).
like some one said if you don't do what they say you are a rebelious person.
Thats everyones(leaders,pastors bishpos and GB)favorite word to get away with anything or to go over anyone...Thank God I try to be open minded at the church I pastor and we have seen great blessings,not just economy wise
because to me thats secondary,the real blessings is when souls are coming to the lord thats when you know God is behind the ministry.
I am in the same District Bisop Dan Sanchez is and believe me you think Fidel Castro is bad.
well ill give you mine.
bogusr@hotmail.com
email me their so we can talk more. Im not a pastor or a minister but i am a son of a pastor
“Politics” and church elections
by: Keith Drury
How does God get His will in denominational elections?
It is popular among some to decry “church politics” and to condemn any sort of discussion of “candidates” for denominational offices or discussion of who is :running” or “leading” in elections. It is an easy shot—it all looks so secular. But this is a free ride for people who don’t have a vote anyway, and it makes them appear so spiritual and superior. My own denomination is in the process of selecting a new General Superintendent and I’ve been reading lots of stuff on it and I note there are generally three different views that I’ll outline in a minute.
First, a word about theology and politics. Most American denominations have “votes” to decide things. Some of this is rooted in our own history of democracy where we believe that the “majority rules” and “everyone makes a better choice than anybody.” But some of it is theological too. Most of us believe that the Holy Spirit actually works through the church to guide us into a decision. If the church were a family-owned business we’d just let the owner who put up the money to start the business decide what to do and if people didn’t like it they could take their business elsewhere. But the church is not a business but a body. We believe (most of us, at least) that when seeking God’s will there is “safety in numbers” and people should vote on things. We believe the Holy Spirit actually reveals His will through these votes—assuming the people are in tune with His will. The assumption is that lots of people voting on relocation of a church or hiring a new pastor gives us a safer decision than letting the church boss (lay or minister) decide it for everyone. (This assumption can be challenged, and Catholics do it best, but for our purposes here let’s assume the Holy Spirit does work through the voting of a group.)
So I’ve noted that there are three general positions when it comes to God’s involvement in denominational elections.
1. God picks leaders ahead of time—our job is to find the one God has already chosen.
This point of view assumes that God in His sovereignty has already chosen my denomination’s next General Superintendent and our job is to discover God’s choice and elect that person as GS. With this point of view the General Board of Administration (the elective body) would pray individually and corporately seeking guidance from God and then they’d cast their votes. If they had all heard the Lord’s voice clearly the vote should be unanimous, but some might not get a name or they might even hear different names. This position offers lots to the church and is deep in our denominational history (especially the Pilgrim Holiness side that was influenced by Quaker “consensus” methods of elections. If you take this position you probably prefer prayer to interviews, and straight up balloting to any sort of nomination “process” that smacks of politics. Most of my students prefer this position for it is very similar to many of their view on marriage—that God has pre-selected the one person they should marry and their job is to find that person and marry them. For years this was the dominant position in our denomination and they shunned any “nominating ballots” or “interviews” or forcing a person to decide ahead of time if they’d serve if elected. In those days everybody prayerfully took a plain piece of paper and put one name on their ballot—and they [eventually] got an election. The system appeared more spiritual than it was—there was plenty of “prayerful discussion” on breaks and in the rest rooms between the balloting. And the system favored incumbents and those with the highest visibility in the denomination. That is, the most famous people’s names always seemed to emerge no matter what their strengths or weaknesses. But this point of view has the longest history in my denomination and still is often called for at the general level by pastors (though they do so less when their own church is electing local board members). If you’re a GBA member and have this position you are seeking from God the name of the person He has already selected and you fear being ‘out of God’s will” or will have “taken God’s second best” if that person won’t take it or someone else is elected instead.
2. God guides us on the kind of leader we need—we get to pick which one.
This position is held by most of the people who actually get to vote on such things. It argues that God has not picked any one particular person to be our next GS but leads a denomination through prayer to know the kind of leader we need. In their view God lets us pick which actual individual we want to elect. (It would be parallel to a few students I have who do not believe there is “one and only one” person God has chosen for them to marry—they think God has given guidance on the kind of person but the student is free to chose the individual meeting these general requirements. If you have this position (and have a vote) you have been praying to get guidance from God the kind of person the church needs at this point. Then you’ll judge the several potential “candidates” compared to that list of qualities. Most of the folk I know who serve on boards and in conferences in my denomination have this point of view. Thus they can be easily divided. Some come to the voting absolutely convinced that “God wants a conservative leader who will block any more liberalizing in our denomination” while others are equally convinced “God wants an open-minded leader who will loosen up the remnants of legalism in our denomination to we can reach the lost.” But having already chosen to select our leaders by Holy-Spirit led voting this view end up being might-makes-right. That is, when the majority votes for one person it is assumed that God has led the process and the “losers” submit to the “will of the body.” If you’re a GBA member and have this position you are seeking from God guidance on the kind of leader we need next and then you’ll examine the candidates to see which one is closest.
3. God has delegated the choice completely to us—He will anoint whomever we appoint.
Not many leaders will publicly admit they believe this third position but a number do privately and some elections (local through denominational) actually operate under this third point of view. This position says that the church is a human organization with human leadership and human methods of selecting leaders and it is our job to select our leaders. They argue it is up to us to decide what sort of leader we need and elect her or him and God will anoint and use whomever we appoint. This position puts God after the process not before it. It argues that God has used all kinds of leaders in the past—some good and some bad—and He will do so in the future. If you’re a GBA member and have this position you are going into the election of a new GS about like you’d go about the election of a President, the appointment of a Supreme Court Justice or the hiring of a new company president. You are especially interested in the resume, the references, the positions and the “track record” of the “candidates” whom you will “interview” to determine who would be best for the job. It looks like a completely secular process but you will “surround the decision with prayer” though prayer will not be the means to the actual choice but supportive. You believe God has delegated this to you and the other voters and as the duly elected representative you should use your own sanctified good sense.
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Perhaps there are other positions but these serve the purpose of recognizing that when we speak of church elections our point of view may differ.
So the questions are:
-Which position do you lean toward?
-What abuses of other positions have you seen in the past?
-How else could we pick leaders? Cast lots? Apostolic selection? Pray through like Quakers?
-Is the first position to most spiritual and the last the least?
-So, what do you think?
To man.apostolic:
I should have known that the ex-Bishop from North Texas, Herman Garza, was behind this conspiracy to remove Bishop Mario Rodriguez.
Herman Garza is one of the Plaintiffs and he loves to be in the midst of turbulence and discord. He is among the most legalist men in the Assembly.
He is known to be pals with Baldemar, and according to my sources out in Texas, both hail from the Rio Grande Valley.
When Herman got into trouble in the Rio Grande Valley because he left his ex-girl friend Ruth to marry his present wife, Baldemar bailed him out and sent him to CHILE to replace Pacheco, who had just gotten to the statue of limitation for his car scam crimes here.
When Herman came back to the US, Baldemar approved him to be Bishop of North Texas through the famous calificadora.
During the time Herman was Bishop, he wanted to remove a very elderly and sick Pastor who finally went with the Lord, because Herman wanted that big thriving church near Dallas. But before he died, the elderly Pastor put his own co-pastor who helped him build the church. Needless to say, then-Bishop Garza had a fit.
Mario Rodriguez is both a Pastor of a large church and also Bishop.
Artie Espinoza wants the big church in Texas and Herman Garza wants to be Bishop again. What a great way to give two men what they want by just getting rid of one.
Espinoza does not have church at the moment. He is Secretary of Missions. He is the former Pastor of the church in Palo Alto, he gave it up and moved to Texas.
It reminds me of the conspiracy that Sanchez did with Valverde as part of the election fraud in Long Beach in 2006. “I’ll let you put your cousin Pacheco on the General Board if I can put my brother-in-law Artie on the GB.”
Favoritism and nepotism continue to thrive on the GB. Herman doesn’t realize that as one of the Plaintiffs, he cannot be Bishop while there is a lawsuit.
But what if-just because Artie wants that big church near Dallas, Sanchez overlooks that fact of Herman being a Plaintiff?
The plot gets bigger, more complex and definitely self-serving.
Does anyone out there know more about this conspiracy theory?
UNITED
MY E-MAIL IS
first.son88@yahoo.com
For I determined not to know anything
among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the WISDOM OF MEN, but in the POWER OF GOD.1 Cor. 2:2-5 Let no man deceive you by any means. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by WORD or EPISLTE. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and establish you in every good word and work. 11 Thes. 2:15-17
to apostolicanalyst.....
do u know who this rose rocha is and how she is involved?? i just heard that she is garza's right hand lady. at least this is what my friend down in tx says...
To man.apostolic:
I don't know who Rose Rocha is. But I do know that Herman has a long tail that can be stepped on, if you get my drift.
Herman has a history of right-hand-ladies. After he dumped Ruth those many years ago, he was sent to Chile to cover it up, but he had to come back before his five years were up, can you guess why?
Is this Rose Rocha enough of a player in this conspiracy as to affect decisions that come from the Board?
So I am still asking, what has happened in the Bishop Mario Rodriguez deal.
Senores y queridos lectores de esta pagina me es de grato plaser poder escribir un poco y aser algunas cuantas preguntas es la primera ves que la veo me ha interessado su partido politico y tal ves conosca un poco de su historia.el senor nava.ortega.estc etc.bueno mi primer pregunta.porque tanto rencor odio asia esta pobre gente que ustedes senores de la mesa directiva han sacado de su organisacion siendo que la mayoria de ellos an entregado sus vidas enteras a su organisacion?.ha sera por eso que ustedes simplemente lo vean como partido polotico u organisacion? quien sabe..conforme a los nombres que mire al principio, me imagino que todos ellos.han ocupado puestos importantes en su organisacion.pero senores que ridicules estan asiendo ante la gente.que supuestamente ustedes quieren conquistar conque con su vida ejemplar testimonio y segun lo que dice el periodico la opinion de los angeles esta seria la cituacion.interna con ustedes desfalcos trnsas en otras palabras en propiedades.eleciones.atropellos entre todos que varvaridad.deveras..bueno contestenme algunas de estas dos preguntas y luego les segire escribiendo...de lo de rodriguez...de dallas.tx..willie mendoza de houston explicare un poco...bueno de rodriguez creo que es por incapacidad ya que estaba enfermo.y rocha pues no es de peligro ...de lo de wilie mendoza ahi si que estubo bien gacho.ya que si valverde ubiese sido inteligente.despues de que moreno le dio la palabra a mendoza y se retracto de lo que con miedos, fuerza sicologica y promesas que jamas cumplirian lo penso vien y fue inteligente . no valverde.porque valverde ubiese dicho cuando tomo el lugar.CORECTO MENDOZA SEGIRA POR UN PERIODO DE X TIEMPO Y QUE SIGA LA FIESTA.pero bueno como no ay creatividad y solo ay y se mira conveniencia propia.pues se armo el safarancho.y se podria Segir escribiendo mas de Tantos senores.que algunos estan fuera de la organisacion o que les proibieron inclusibe que algien hablara con ellos que poca.si jesus los jusgara como ustedes lo hasen imaginense.bueno como creo o no se si publicaran mis preguntas le enviare este escrito a cuatro amigos .unos de univision..telemundo clear chanell y liberman..saludos espero respuesta y reflecciones...sin mas su amigo el pestayo...
Pestayo,
Si quieres mas informacion sobre injusticias de los directores de esta organizacion comunicate con este pastor. Aqui esta un e-mail a donde the puedes comunicar cone el new4lam@msn.com
El tiene, por escrito echos y cartas donde puedes ver que tan injustos son estos hombres. Especialmente Sanchez y Valverde. Escribele!!!!
Pestayo,
Si, envia tu escrito a tus amigos de univision y telemundo.
Quizas manden a Jorge Ramos que saque a estas ratas que tenemos de libres.
Los que estan haciendo comentario acerca de Mario Rodriguez ni siquier tiene idea de la razon por la que se dice sera removido. Si es
removido o no eso Dios lo sabe, si cometio horrores Dios se lo va a demandar. De la justicia de Dios nadie nos escapamos.
La Iglecia que tiene a su cargo Mario Rodrigues es una Iglesia que ha tenido que estar firme ya que se han cometido muchas anomalias,
malversaciones de todo tipo. Han pasado cosas que si la ley de los hombres supiera ya el templo lo hubieran cerrado, y la asamblea tuviera encima otra demanda. Oremos por ese pueblo para que vea lo que vea siga firme sirviendole a Dios y no haga caso de los errores de los pastores
Pestayo:
Según hablas, eres de Texas. Primero, comienzas la conversación como se fueses un recién llegado a la Asamblea Apostólica pero luego mencionas nombres de hombres antiguos y entonces sales con nombres de los que ahora están en estos escritos… Mario Rodríguez, Willie Mendoza, y aun de Rosa Rocha. Si sabes de ellos, ¿que sabes de Herman Garza?
Lo que me han dicho a mi, es que Sánchez quiere poner a su cuñado, Arturo Espinoza de pastor en una iglesia prosperada allí en el área de Dallas, TX.
Ahora, que casualidad que se enferma Mario Rodríguez, ¿Y que, pondrán a Espinoza de Pastor en la iglesia de Rodríguez, y a Garza, por chismoso, le darán el Obispado?
Pero no pueden darle el Obispado al chismoso porque Garza es uno de los que demando a la Asamblea.
Respuesta de el pestayo.Mira mi estimado respondiendo tu pregunta.no soy ni de texas ni de ninguna parte alrededor,simplemente soy una persona que acabo de descubrir su pagina pero leyendo mi estimado se conoce la historia de cualquier partido politico.y ustedes en su informacion tienen la historia,de todo y existen telefonos para comunicarnos.. o llamar es mi trabajo en la actualidad.ahora que dices se envie el escrito a jorge ramos de univision para que se remueva a la lacra que tienen como directores te soy honesto el no puede aser nada ni telemundo ni nadie.solo es para que la gente se entere de como estan ustedes que creo estamos mejor los que no practicamos ninguna religion o pertenecemos a ningun partido politico como ustedes.de lo de mario rodriguez no creas que lo conosco simplemente he escuchado de el y es lo que yo sabia que estaba enfermo.pero si tu le echas y lo acusas de ratero.etc y etc ese es tu problema .en mi punto de vista porque no se ponen a indagar primero sobre cada persona y despues lo jusgan,creo que ese es el problema de todos los miembros de su partido politico, estan llenos de odio y rencor con ustedes mismos.de wilie mendoza.la neta que la regaron de lo mas gacho no defiendo a nadie solo que los alerto a que se pongan trucha su disue lideres.estan tan cerados de mente que asen decisiones solo por su propio criterio y como dijo uno de los que aqui escriben.cuidando sus puestos y protegiendo a sus familiares..todos tenemos cola que mnos pisesn pero porfavor sean mas inteligentes.senores.de jorge ramos y la gente de telemundo clear chanel.y demas jente a estas alturas lla saben de esta pagina.solo esperamos que ellos mismos se den cuenta de todo lo que pasa en una organisacion como este partido politico como el P>R>D de Mexico no se entienden ni ellos mismos creando un conflicto IN terno y atropellos en donde los miembros mimsmos mejor se estan retirando, y como el presidente bush.con la popularidad por los suelos..de herman garza ahi te soy honesto no lo conosco,a rocah tampoco..pero te investigo para la proxima si esque a algien le interesa..por mi no ay problema...saludos y a valverde y toda la comitiva creo tambien haber leido un poco de la familia si les interesa puedo sacar biografia de cada uno de ellos y si no la tengo la consigo ya que no se pueden negar son personas publicas y creo que tengo acceso a sus vidasbueno los puntos comas mayusculas y todo lo de gramatica ponganlos donde a ustedes mas les gusten ok gracias y nos estamos comunicando senores.mi coreo electronico se los doy despues que alcabo a quien le puede importar los escritos de un mexicano.con orgullo de puro guerrero senores..credencial de periodista tambien despues se las doy ahora si me despido nos escribimos despues.
CAN YOU GUYS TYPE IN INGLES POR FAVOR ?
AND PLEASE DONT TYPE UP A WHOLE PARAGRAPH.
SUM IT UP IN A FEW SMALL BITS
RE: ISHMAEL ARELLANO
Since we're on the subject about Baldemar and Co dealing corruptly. Baldemar also allowed IShmael Arellano to stay on the board after it was discovered that Arellano had another child with another woman that he never ever ever owned up to.
He abandoned the poor little girl. Baldy was ok with this. Looks like Baldy had more than just Eddie to cover up for, he had Ishmael Arellano also.
Where does our Assembly find these MEN!?? Please tell me!!????
I know we're not perfect, but by golly, if you abandoned your child and while she was being raised by a single mother you were enjoying steaks and margaritas out in chile being a "missions director", that's an outright SIN!
Why BALDY, why do you choose these men to be on your board????
Regarding Arellano:
Thats nothing compared to having the Apostolic Assembly give "Ministerial Licenses" to sexual predators like:
Adam Dominguez
Raymund Jesse Alcantar
Who were prosecuted for sexual crimes against children. You can reference the California Attorney General's Website at:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/Search.aspx?lang=ENGLISH
And those are just two that I know of. I can only imagine how many more there are out there.
This is one reason the Apostolic Assembly has lost credability.
Then you add the fact that Bishops Edward Pacheco and Sam Valverde have allowed Roger Garduno, A CONVICTED FELON, to become a LICENSED MINISTER.
SANTO!! Its no wonder why we have no credability as an organization, because we have no substantive standards.
Only in the Apostolic Assembly Church you will find a man convicted of a felony in federal court become a minister without any trouble whereas a sister caught wearing pants being put on eternal probation and never being able to teach sunday school.
Henry,
RE: ISHMAEL ARELLANO
You hit it right on the money. Arellano abandoned his first born, but if the girls at the church cut their hair or wore makeup he degrades them and make them feel like sluts and be restricted them from singing in the choir. He scolded one of our girls once who was making her way back to church because she had lipstick, she never again came back.
God does forgive, but you must also show that same grace to others. ARellano most definitely does not.
The assembly is a man's organization, where grace is only for men. Pero la mujer? Watch out!
Mi estimado enrique y el otro no sean pochos lean tambien en espanol que es mucho mas bonito que el ingles y aqui puedo saber si eres inteligente o n o.de arellano dejalo en paz hombre.si cometio lo que cometio pos es muy su royo,si tu hablas miras piensas o codiciias es pecado que mas da.erespeor que ellos.y como dijo ricardo argona.jesus es bervo no sustantivo acomodalo como quieras.saludos a Todos.y porfa ya sea que escriban en espanol o ingles les entendere.pero yo siempre escribire en espanol ya que la mayoria que entran a esta pagina son hispanos.y total hasta la proxima conteste algien hombre sobre el tema de los directivos y sus atropellos a nivel nacional ahora si me despido adios..
pestayo:
Lo que quieres tu es que te reconozcan pero tu español esta atroz. No usas ni punto ni coma en su propio contexto, y como dice Enrique, tampoco usas párrafo.
¿Como vamos a apreciar lo que estas escribiendo si no tienes guía gramática? Si no sabes escribir en español o estas fingiendo que no sabes gramática, entonces escribe ingles, y si no sabes gramática en ingles, al fin no sabes nada.
Pero a mi, no me engañas. Estas muy informado acerca de la iglesia. Creo que eres Apostólico de hueso colorado.
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¿Al fin del cuento, donde se fue ‘Van’? Extrañamos sus comentarios. Era el único que escribía con certeza.
Check this story out in the LA Times.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ponzi3-2008may03,0,3602052.story
The facts sound similar to those of certain activites Mr. Edward Pacheco have done in the past and possibly recently. But thats just my OPINION. What do you think?
I read with great interest the article in the L.A. Times concerning the scam against christians by the investor and a pastor.
Their only problem was that they did not have a B.R. to ship them off to Chile to await statue of limitations as he did for Pacheco.
RESPUESTA DE EL PESTAYO.COMO TU LO DICES CREO QUE NO SE ESCRIBIR EN ESPANOL MUCHO MENOS EN INGLES,INFORMADO DE TU HISTORIA Y DE TU DENOMINACIO SI LO ESTOY COMPANERO,Y DEJAME DECIRTE QUE TAL VEZ CONOSACA MAS QUE TU,LAS INFORMACIONES QUE TE DOY Y POCOS RELATOS HASTA AHORITA SON POCOS,PERO APOSTOLICO DE HUESO COLORADO TAMPOCO NI ME GUSTARIA SERLO A COMO ESTAN USTEDES, ESTA CANON MI ESTIMADO, SOLO APORTO UN POCO DE LO QUE TANTA GENTE ESTA INCONFORME CON SUS LIDERES ASI QUE NO TEME ASUSTES MI ESTIMADO SABELOTODO Y NO SABES NI MAIZ COMPA PERO BUENO OJALA QUE LO POCO QUE HE ESTADO LEYENDO DE SU ORGANISACION LES SIRVA UN POCO YA QUE MUCHISIMA DE SU GENTE DESCONOSE TANTAS ANOMALIAS EN SU ORGANISACION,TE PODRIA MENCIONAR MUCHISIMOS ASECINATOS COMETIDOS POR SUS LIDERES,A GENTE QUE COMO LO MENCIONE AL PRINCIPIO ENTREGARON TOCHO MOROCHO DE SUS VIDAS FAMILIAS A ESTA ORGANISACION EN EXTINCIO,LO QUE DICEN DE ARELLANO PUES ES BRONCA DE EL SI TUVO OTRA MUJER Y OTRO NIN O TU SABES QUE LOS CLERIGOS TIENEN MUCHISIMAS OPORTUNIDADES DE ELLO ASI QUE QUE LES SORPRENDE ES HUMANO COMO TU Y COMO YO Y OTROS TANTOS.Y NO ME PREGUNTES SI CONOSCO HA ARELLANO, QUE TU Y EL OTRO CUATE LO HAN DESCRITO COMO QUE SI FUERA MAS QUE UN DELINCUENTE YA TE LO MENCIONE TODOS SOMOS HUMANOS Y TEENMOS DEUDAS,PROBLEMAS,DISGUSTOS.DIFERENCIAS,TENTACIONES,PENSAMIENTOS MALOS Y BUENOS Y QUE PENSAMIENTO MAS BUENO PENSAR EN MUJER PORQUE SI FUERA CON UN HOMBRE IMAGINATE ESTO SI ESTARIA ECHADO A PERDER.Y ESCRIBO ASI PORQUE SE ME DA LA GANA OK COMENTARIOS Y RECLAMOS A EL PESTAYO EN ESTA MISMA PAGINA HASTA LA PROXIMIA.AQUI ESTAMOS AL PIE DEL CANON.EN LA PROXIMA ME DEDICARE A LA TRAYECTORIA DE WILLIE MENDOZA.BENJAMIN QUIROZ.JUAN MORENO.JESSE HERNADEZ BUENO NO SE LO PIERDAN.QUE COMO ME ENTERO DE TODO YA SE LOS DIJE PREGUNTEN.INDAGEN.LLAMEN INFORMENSE.ETC ETC...ADIOS ASTA PRONTO ATT.EL PESTAYO DE GUERRERO MEXICO CON ORGU7LLO MEXICANO HASTA LAS CACHAS...NOMAS NO LE DIGAN A LA MIGRA, QUE ME DEPORTAN
Pestayo,
Otra vez escribiste un libro.
No es posible que podras utilisar menos palabras para poder decir lo mismo ?
Y tu manera de escribir es horible no ay ningun párrafo.
Y si estas en este pais deves intentar aprender el idioma al igual practicarlo.
Analyst:
There are similarities, its not a case that matches fact for fact. Basically, we have a case where some outside individual, recruited an accomplice with a certain amount of trust in his sphere of infulence, to gain access to defraud members of his church.
The good thing is that those defrauded took action immediately.
did anyone find out about bishop rodriguez??? Does he still have his church??? Did garza calm down???? or did is he fight to the end?? lol
Anyone hear that Eddie Pachuecos Musicians left his congregation to join an Independent Church ?
Smart musicians to get out wwhile they can from the sinking ship.
Who can blame them ! Imagine Pachueco as your pastor geeez !
You know what they say about short Men and that Napoleon complex.
Always trying to be hard and prove their tough to compensate for their short height.
Well Pachueco get on your stack of milk crates that are behind the pulpit and scream your head off.
Nobody cares what you have to say you have just become irrelivent.
And have lost all credibility.
I can play a mean harmonica, but I don't think Mr. Pacheco would let me play.
DE EL PESTAYO PA ENRIQUE.Y DEMAS LETORES.AHORA SI TE LA PONGO EN CHINO , GRACIAS POR LEER MIS ATROCIDADES GRAMATICALES, ME PARECE QUE TE INTERESAN Y SI HABLO0 DE LO MISMO, ES PORQUE DOY RESPUESTA A SUS INTEROGANTES Y DESCONOCIMIENTOS, SI YA SABES QUE TU INGLESIA ESTA EN DETERIORO DE QUE MAS QUIERES QUE SE HABLE COCHO.AY DESPUES LES COMENTO DE PACHECO.RODRIGUEZ Y DEMAS, PREGUNTAME? LOS GUACHO GUACHOS..ATT EL PESTAYO CUIDENSE DE LA MIGRA TODOS...
This is America
Learn the language.........
SPANISH : )
Could it be possible that a cause of the AA's problems are because they speak Spanish in an English country? Do they allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country knowing that they are breaking the law? We are in the United States of America!
DE EL PESTAYO PARA LOS GRINGOS MEXICANOS.ESTE ES UN PAIS DE LIBRE EXPRECION Y ESCRIBO EN MI LENGUA QUE ES EL ESPANOL,AL OTRO IMAGINATE DICE QUE ES UN PAIS INGLES QUE TANTO NO SABRA DE SU DISQUE PAIS.QUE BRUTO.BUENO LES DOY OTRA PAGINA DONDE TAMBIEN ME PUEDEN LEER ES..radioalaire.com..Mi Nombre EL MOJADO DE ALGUNA PARTE VEANLA Y QUE VIVA MEXICO.
PASO A LO SIGIENTE.HABLARE UN POCO DE BALDEMAR RODRIGUEZ.VALVERDE ...SEGUN LA HISTORIA DE SU DENOMINACION, EL FUE OBISPO PRESIDENTE DURANTE DOS PERIODOS.CLARO TUBO SUS ALTAS Y VAJAS,ASECINO LITRALMENTE A MUCHOS DIRIGENTES ECLECIASTICOS, PASTORES PUES DE USTEDES MISMOS.PERO ES UN EXELENTE TEOLOGO.Y CREO Y EN MI PUNTO DE VISTA EL MAS PREPARADO Y CON UN CARISMA EXTRAORDINARIO. ORIGINARIO DEL ESTADO DE LA ESTRELLA SOLITARIA OSEA TEXAS DE EL VALLE. SI MAL NO RECUERDO EL ESCRITO..CALIFICACION A BALDEMAR RODRIGUEZ (SUPER EXELENTE>.COMO PERSONA ....DE SAM VALVERDE MEJOR CONOCIDO EN EL VAJO MUNDO DE LA LACRA Y LOS TEPOROCHOS. COMO EL VERDUGO ASECINO...SEGUN TENGO ENTENDIDO FUE MAESTRO DE UNA ESCUELA QUE WILLE MENDOZA ABRIO EN TEXAS. DESIENDE DE UNA FAMILIA MAS OMENOS ACOMODADA,PERO HAN TENIDO ALGUNAS DIFERIENCIAS RELIGIOSAS.ES PREPARADO ACADEMICAMENTE Y DE BUEN CARACTER POR LAS BUENAS.MUY PELIGROSO POR DEFENDER SUS INTERESES PERSONALES.ADEMAS BIENE SIENDO SOBRINO DE LOS PACHUCOS DIGO DE LOS PACHECO..SALUDOS HASTA LA PROXIMA.AHI LOS VEO Y QUE VIVA MEXICO HIJOS DE MARIA MORALES.YA LO SABEN CONTESTARE A SUS PREGUNTAS Y GRACAIS POR EL MAIL DEL PASTOR ADOLORIDO QUE SABE TODO. PERO QUE TIENE MIEDO HABLAR.DISQUE PORQUE TIENENE MIEDO PERDER TODO. SI YA LO PERDIERON TODO CREATURAS DE VENEDICTO DIESISEIS..ADIOS Y QUE VIVA MEXICO..
In reference to Dr (lol) lets just say bishop Rodriguez. He has had failing health which is very misfortunate for him or anyone else.
There is much more to this than you have mentioned with Herman and Artie.
The word of the day is that Rodriguez has accusations of having touched a young lady of his congregation. Now, is it true? Is it only a rumor with no basis to it? Only someone from his church would have to say.... Will someone clarify?
Desde quando fêz isto torna-se um blog espanhol ?
Porque faz este homem insista na escrita no espanhol ?
Eu escreverei também em minha língua nativa !
????
If u only knew,
My point exactly !!!!
Thats how it feels when mr pelayo insists on writing in spanish on this blog.
That's portuguese by the way.
When you write,Enrique,do you mean Henry? ATT El Pestayo.Saludos que viva Mexico.
lol thats funny! Enrique has a fit cause Pestayaso writes in spanish but has a Spanish code name. lol
DE EL PESTAYO PARA LOS PORTUGESES Y EL QUE SE QUEDO EN INCOGNITA.ESTUDIEN MUCHACHOS VAYAN A LA ESCUELA;Y DE EL TAL MARIO RODRIGUEZ ES UNA ENFERMEDAD, NO ES LO QUE SACAN DE LA CHAVA, HOMBRE YA DUERMAN TRANQUILOS Y PONGANSE A DAR SUS OFRENDAS PARA LOS VIAJES DE SANCHEZ,VALVERDE,Y TODA LA COMITIVA NO ESCRIBO LOS NOMBRES PORQUE ENTONSES SERIA CARTA MAGNA;Y VOUS QUIQUE.ENRIQUE,HENRY O VOUS QUE SOIS BRASILEIRO ECHAME ALGUNAS EN PORTUGES QUE TAMBIEN LE MASTICO UN POCO.Y SI NO LE PREGUNTO A UNA AMIGA QUE TENGO DE BRASIL EN MAIMI..SALUDOS Y QUE VIVA MEXICO.POR CIERTO FELIZ CINCO DE MAYO TARDE PERO SIN SUENO..ATT EL PESTAYO;Y NO PELAYO.EN LA SIGIENTE LES DIRE DE HERMAN GARZA Y OTROS PERSONAJES DE LA ACTUALIDAD YA ESTOY PREGUNTANDO DE GARZA AVER DE CUAL LADO MASTICA LA IGUANA.SALUDOS MUCHACHOS. ADMIRADORES DE EL PESTAYO, ANALISADOR ECLESIASTICO Y DE COMUNICACIONES EN USA.EN OTROS PAISES NO, PORQUE NO PUEDO REGRESAR.COMO DIJO AQUEL CUATE MINUT MAN, QUE ESTOY QUEBRANDO LA LEY DE SU PAIS.POS MEJOR ME QUEDO AQUI.DESPUES NO REGRESO Y PIERDO MIS DOLLARITOS.ADIOS MUCHACHOS.
UNA VES MAS QUIQUE, GRACIAS POR LEERME,Y POR SER UN APOYO A TU CARERA INSPIRATE,Y SIGE ADELANTE, UNA VES MAS. QUE VIVA MEXICO. ATT EL PESTAYO.
Pestayo
Que me puedes decir del pastor Miguel Hernandez?
Pestayo
Que me puedes decir del pastor Frank Hernandez?
Pestayo
Que me puedes decir del pastor Miguel Aguilar?
Pestayo
Que me puedes decir del pastor Rangel?
what a messed up GB we have crooks and power hungry.
APWC WHERE IS THIS PASTOR FRANK HERNANDEZ FROM. BY ANY CHANCE COLORADO?
Has anyone seen the new non-profit corporation formed in Texas by Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco? They formed it in October, 2007 and they never presented it to the Pastors for approval. The new corporation is named "Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus of Texas, Inc." I think these fellows have something up their sleeves and are using funds from the Assembly to do what they want to do. Something is not right. For a long time I have been reading the blogs and trying to stay neutral but this really scares me.
This was done right before our convention and nothing was ever mentioned in the Pastors' meetings. Does anyone know why they are doing this?
Pastors:
(..and by "Pastors", I mean "Men of God with the calling from God to love and take care of His people - not "Pulpit Pastors" like Sam Mascareño)
If you don't stand for Jesus, the good doctrine, and the people of God (de los cuales ustedes daran cuentas a Dios)... WHEN WILL YOU STAND??????????!!!!!
En cierta manera, YOU that are not willing to stand firm for God and His people, dissapoint all of us too, just like the TRANSEROS from our mesa directiva and not to mention the Southern District Board.
Acuerdense de esto pastores...."El Amor, hecha fuera el temor."
No temas Pastor, El Todopoderoso esta contigo.
Technical Foul!! Why are you calling out Pastor Mascareno like that? Pultip Pastor?
I don't get that one. Rev. Mascareno is one of the good guys.
Not like Mr. Pacheco anc Company.
lamismadeayer,
La regaste compadre. Don't talk about Mascareno like that, he's one of the few left that actually know what it means to be a pastor.
There are plenty others that we can complain about, como:
Sanchez the pridefull
Valverde el power hungry
Arellano the dead beat dad
Pacheco the money hungry
Y muchos mas, pero why Mascareno? He's a good good man.
here is the website for the church that split off from Pachuecos
www.hfcconnect.org
Trivia:
What do Mr Pacheco and www.hfcconnect.org have in common?
Answer:
They both don't WORK!
lamismadeayer,
My question is the same.
why did you hit pastor Sam Mascareño like that?
My understanding is that he is one of the good ones over at the
Southern district,infact I understand he's in the District's BOARD..
I don't think he's in for the money,because of what I understand he has a really good job..
He's one of the few Pastors that has a career behind him..
Like I said I'm from L.A ca.and I know of Pastor Mascareño because of his wife's family from some years back they were from L.A CA.
Also I got friends in
Southern California Distric.
so lamismadeayer I hope you got some facts on those words.
Astounded (Asombrado):
Si se ha dicho y se sabe que la AA ha tenido planes de poner otras oficinas satélites en Dallas y en Atlanta, Georgia. También se sabe que para tener una organización de no lucrativa en el estado de Texas, se tiene que hacer una corporación que diga de ‘Texas.’ Sabemos que este es el estado que se dice, The Lone Star State.
Al mover a Artie Espinoza de California a Texas, nos hace pensar que cuando ya no sea parte de la mesa directiva, Artie Espinoza necesita una iglesia para pastorear y a Sánchez le gusta la iglesia de Mario Rodríguez para su cuñado, Artie. Al estar Arturo Espinoza en Texas, es también para ser parte de establecer las oficinas generales en Texas.
Se ha dicho que compraron mucho terreno para edificar estas oficinas. UD pastores que ya saben lo que esta pasando, ¿Qué opinan de esto?
Con razón Baldemar esta que revienta. Imagínense las oficinas generales en Texas y él en California, ¿Quién hubiese pensado esto?
De El Pestayo,a sus seguidores.Me refiero a Jesse Hernandez, Recien Jubilado por Valverde y comitiva, Juvilado de que?,para dejarlo sin salrio despues de tantos anos en su denominacion,? Incapacitado no esta.Otra victima de las asechansas de Sanchez,Valverde,Y Comitiva.Hombre Ejemplar Jesse Hernadez De Texas. Pero bueno, la vida es Un Carnaval Como dijo la gran filosofa Celia Cruz .
Abel Aguilar.Tengo entendido que fue directivo por algunos periodos de la Juvenil de su Iglesia,No muy buena administracio Por cierto, Segun testigos que vivieron esa administracion. Pedante,Medio Racista Con Los mexicanos que no tienen papeles como les comentaba, Osease Yo. Hombres los cuales ustedes tienen en su Directiva Que cosas,como dijo el senor de chicago,Pastor de Osama Barack,el pueblo tiene lo que se Merece.
De las nuevas Oficinas en texas, al parecer es toda una realidad Las mudan a la ciudad de Dallas,Pero ellos no son tan Ignorantes,Ya que las ponen a nombre ,de dos personas,Osease que cuando Les quieran quitar terrenos Nadie podra ya que estan a nombre de ellos, Me refiero a que muchos de los pastores han trabajado Tan inocentes, que todas las propiedades las han puesto a Nombre de la Organisacion, y cuando disque los sacan, para dejarlos morir de hambre, pos se quedan como el chinito.nomas milando.BUeno ya que segun los codigos de su Organisacion. Todo debe de estar a nombre de la Organisacion,y es precisamente a lo que me Refiero La Lealtad de Muchisimos Pastores;Que Paso con Roberto Ramirez?.Richard Almaraz.Lorenzo Salazar Etc Etc.Les comento en la proxima? Saludos y QUE VIVA MEXICO. Att El Pestayo.Coman frutas y verduras, es saludable. No Rayen las paredes,ni se coman las Unas.
Pestayo
Donde obtubo usted esa informacion, de que las oficinas en Texas ban ha estar ha nombre de siertas personas?Por que si es hasi me apena mucho, pero a como estan las cosas creo que lla hay otros planes departe de los directivos y no es justo.
lla que puede ser como una inbersion personal.
se me hase dificil creer algo hasi, lla que sabemos que todas las propiedades tienen que estar a nombre de la AA'.
Almanos de que nuestro estimado Obispo Presidente Daniel Sanchez, este planeando su retiro.
Sabemos que lla no sera elegido en la GB lla que cumplira sus dos periodos.
Bueno almenos que en esta proxima Convencion General cambien las reglas y saquen un documento nuevo que diga que puede trabajar por tres periodos en el mismo puesto,hasi si fuera lagal que quedara, Y eso grasias al docunento que aprobamos los Pastores sobre la mesa calificadora, es logico que el quedaria, lla que lo unico que tiene que haser es descalificar a caulquier otro que qede.
Pero que casualidad que Espinosa desidio trasladarse a texas...
Tambien hay que acordarnos que el Hno del Obispo Pres Daniel Sanchez es Obispo en el Distrito sur de California(JUAN Sanchez),quiere desir que en las proximas elecciones lla esta calificado para un puesto de la GB.
Y como estan las cosas no dudo que lo metan en la GB.
Tambien tengo entendido que el otro Hno de los Sanchez es Anciano en un sector del Distito sur de Califirnai,osea que en las proximas elecciones el quedara en la mesa Directiva Distrital.
Digo todo esto por que desafortunadamente se mira la politica entre nuestra AA',
Hay Pastores que El Señor Jesicristo a respaldado tremendamente pero por que no son 'YES' persons no los dejan subir.
Esperamos en Dios que todo esto se aregle,por el bien de nuestra Iglesia y de lo mas primordial que son las almas que no han entregado sus vidas a CRISTO.
It appears that the independent work that was started by members who left Eddie Pachuecos church is being spear headed and pastord by Pachuecos own son in law John Huizar.
Can you say OUCH !!!!!!!
Sounds like La Puente Bible School Alumns at work. lol
But you got to give those La Puente Bible Schoolers credit, they have done a fine job pillaging not only church members, but convincing them that their salvation is soley tied to how much they give in ofrendas and tithes.
Respuesta de el pestayo a Justicia2.La informacion es tan confidencial Que esta a la luz publica, Pregunte simplemente a su secretaria en california si no estoy equibocado sale.
de que les Interesen las almas HOnestamente lo dudo,Por la forma de tratar las cosas.
mi recomendacion es Preparence para haser preguntas en sus reuniones y exijan respuestas claras,de buena Forma, y no se intimiden que les digan ellos, Estan sobre pasando la autoridad de su Iglesia. ellos la violan a cada Instante.BUeno me despido Ya viene lo de. Almaraz,ZalasarRamirez,y de muchos Mas.
A de Pachueco pos como lo digo,desde el principio, a ellos no les conviene tener gente que les pregunte y queiran Saber,eso es lo tipico de toda denomnacion si algien preguntar es hijo de el chereque,huy que miedo.No pregunten informense,indagen de este de aquel.etc.etc..nos vemos la proxima Att El Pestayo.Que Viva Mexico.Como extrano Guerrero.
Que onda pestañas pelayo o como sea que te llamas ?
Si extrañas a guerrero tanto por que saliste de ayi mi chavo ?
O sea por chambear estas aqui o por misionero o que ?
Otra cosa pistachio,
Nadie te tiene aqui por la fuerza
Si tanto VIVE MEXICO por que estar aqui en este disque pais racista ?
Que VIVAN Los Estados Unidos que nos ha brindado una vida mejor.
Si Mexico fuera tan chido no estubieramos aqui mi ñerin.
La mera neta
Mi estimado Romano o como te llames, Digo que viva mexico,no que vivo en mexico.y no estoy aya por lo mismo que tu, aqui gano mis dolaritos esta mucho mejor, y aqui se vende mas cara y si tus paisanos la compran al precio que uno quiera pos aquen le dan pan que llore;
Cambio de tema mi chavo.
Fijate que afurza nadie estamos,y si, Esxtrano guerrero,pero como te lo digo aqui se gana en dolares y se gastan los dolares mi chavo.gueno ay te conteste.haber que mas me dices american citicen.ojala no seas relog.De pais Racista, no dije el pais dije de Avel aguilar y otros cuantos de tu mesa directiva. y eso que son hijos de padres mexicanos, solo porque son pochos. no nos quieren a los mexicanos.jamas mencione a los Estados unidos. Se un Nino Normal MI chavo. no inventes palabras que no estan, por ello estan tan confundidos en sus rollos hombre.saludos a todos y una ves mas que viva mexico...y que viva el espanol.Nota puntos y comas acomodenlos donde mas les plasca que ya me voy a dormir aqui en mi chante ya es muy noche ay los guacho cucarachos.
Al Payaso de Viva México:
Que triste que alojas tanto a México, ‘Que Viva México’ ¿que viva que? Es triste y que relajo para pobre ‘viva México’ que no te dio una educación ni de un niño de primaria que escribe mucho mejor que tu. Pero no nos tragamos el anzuelo que nos estas tirando. Sabemos muy bien quien eres. Afanas mas en tu dé frase que si escribieras normal.
Es mejor que te calles y no hables de los que ya murieron porque no sea que vengan por ti y te lleven a la muerte.
DEL PESTAYO PARA EL ANALISADOR DE NADA;
"UNA VES MAS QUE VIVA MEXICO",ANALISADOR DISQUE APOSTOLICO,TIENES RAZON NO TUVE NINES,NI EDUCACION EN MI MEXICO QUERIDO, Y ESTOY AQUI POR LO QUE YA TE MENCIONE, LOS DOLLARITOS ESTAN MAS VERDES Y VALEN MAS. CUANDO EL EURO VALGA MAS QUE EL DOLLAR ME VOY PARA ALEMANIA Y DE MOJARRA.
Y SI TE QUIERO HASER SABER DE RAMIREZ,ALMARAZ.LORENZO, Y SABES TAL VES DE ABEL TORREZ.GALARZA.QUIROZ.CENISEROS,Y ESTE OTRO DE LA FLORIDA FORTINO.ABEL CANTU ETC,ETC.ES PARA QUE CONOSCAS LA HISTORIA DE TU DISQUE IGLESIA APACHURADA DIGO USTEDES APACHUCHARDOS.
DE QUE ME CONOSES,POS ME DA MUCHO GUSTO, SIQUIERES TE MANDO UNA FOTO. ESO ME INDICA QUE ME SUENAS TODAS LAS NOCHES ANALISADOR NO SE DONDE.
OYE Y TE MANDO SALUDOS Y QUE VIVA MEXICO CONDENADOTE.BESOS Y ABRAZOS.
SALUDOS A TODOS LOS POCHOS QUE VIVEN DEL MEXICANO,MIEMBROS DE TU ORGANISACION,HA ME LLAMO TREMEBUNDO DEL ROSADO,ORIGINARIO DE GUERRERO.QUE VIVA MEXICO. NOS ESCRIBIMOS EN LA SIGIENTE, QUE HOY SALGO PARA NEW YORK A VICITAR A LA SENORA DE LA LIBERTAD, TE ENVIO OTRA FOTO DESDE AYA SALES.ARROCITO.
Y RECUERDEN MUCHACHOS YA VIENE LA CARTA MAGNA,OSEASE LA HISTORIA DE SUS LIDERES, PORQUE SE APRESURO SU DESPIDO DE ESTE MUNDO, QUIEREN SABER PORQUE?.NO SE PIERDAN LA HISTORIA,EN EL PROXIMO CAPITULO.AHI LOS GUACHO.
Con todo respecto
With all due respect
Puedes escribir en INGLES?
Can you write in English!?
O lo menos hace tambien el translacion?
Or at least also include an english translation?
Por su puesto, por ke estan muy inteligente
After all, supposedly you are all intellgent
Haga lo por nosotros ke no estamos como ustedes
Do it for those of us who are not like you.
Lo pido con todo respecto
I ask you with all due respecto.
NO NINTENDO
De el pestayo,Para ti. Simple y sencillamente no quiero escribir en Ingles,pos porque no se,contodo y tu respeto.quique, Enrique,Henry,o Lo que sea;ya es fin de seman y ay que descansar aqui en new york.
Pestayo!
Yo no nintendo tampoco poke tu hace eso! Lo que si nintendo es que tu nombre esta medio chisqiadito!Se me hace como que las letras no estan en su lugar en vez de pestayo se me hace que es yapesto! Porque hasta calinfierno haz dado olor! A mi se me hace que eres de los cholos de Sanchez! Eso es lo que nintendo yo en mi humilde opinion!
LA DIST.
A través de todas las cosas tristes que están pasando en la Asamblea Apostólica por falta de liderazgo lleno del Espíritu Santo, hagamos una pausa con este aviso:
El viernes que viene, Mayo 16, se oficiara el servicio fúnebre para quien en vida fue nuestro estimado hermano, Rev. Refugio Valverde.
El servicio se dará acabo a las 6 de la tarde en la iglesia Apostólica de Nacional City.
El Hno. Refugio Valverde deja a su esposa, Rebecca Vadez de Valverde, y tres hijas.
Puedo decir sinceramente que en vida el Hno. Refugio fue un hermano muy sincero, cariñoso y amable. Un hombre que sirvió a Dios desde su niñez hasta el último día de su vida.
Les estamos extendiendo nuestras muy sinceras condolencias a la Hna. Becky y a sus hijas y que Dios llene ese vació que ha quedado en sus vidas.
Que Dios le siga bendiciendo y que puedan seguir el ejemplo de su padre de servir al Señor.
Hola A Todos,Regrese de la ciudad de New York, feliz descansado de esta ciudad del sol. no Respondi nada porque pos andaba de distraccion, Con una novia que tengo aya.
Paso a lo sigiente.
El tropy man,que es lo que les digo, luego luego, mandan a la gente al Infierno. como si ustedes fueran Dios.Recuerda Tropy Man Dios es Amor. No lo Predican en tu Iglesia?
Que soy de los cholos de sanchez.? No papa,Ya lo dije y te lo repito, soy un simple indagador que entre a tu pagina.
Del Pastro que paso a Mejor vida. Pues que lastima deveras.Ojala y tu directiva le de los Honores, como se lo merese todo un Militante de tu denominacion.
Mi mas sentido pesame a la familia.
Injusticias de sus Directivos.
1-El ex Obispo del area del Paso tx. Sacarlo nadamas por reclamar Inconformidad en unas elecciones?.
2-Salvador villegas. Ex Obispo de el area de Osten y puntos Interemdios.
destituirlo simple y sencillamente porque la esposa se le fue con Otro. Malo que el se ubiese Ido con el. ahi si caigo en la razon,pero quitarle todo. Iglesia.puesto y todo. Eso si es mas pescado que el que pudo habercometido la senora Misma.al ultimo ella lo disfruto y alomejor ella sige con el mariachi.quien sabe.
Bueno solo les menciono estas porque no quiero que se Duerma,deporsi que no se escribir y luego los yeno de Historias verdaderas Imaginense.
Una ves Mas que Viva Mexico.Puntos comas y mayusculas, Ponganlas donde Mas les gusten.Att El pestayo.Si no se aprenden mi nombre. Escribanlo Mil veses El Pestayo.El Pestayo.El Pestayo Ok.Saludos al tartamudo del analisador. y el torpe Man.
Su Amigo el Pestayo.Del estado del sol.
Where did our beloved Honorable Bishop President Daniel Sanchez get his theological education from?
I understand lamismadeayer's post about Pastor Mascareno. Not that I totally agree. But, I understand. Pastor Mascareno allows his congreation to wear wedding rings. Which I find totally ok. However, if you are a "by the rule book" Apostolic, you may find that VERY offensive. Since the use of jewelry is prohibited within the AA. I also understand that his wife is wearing a very expensive "Tiffany" wedding set which she flashes around. Not, very practical for an up and coming Pastor. Especially when wearing these wedding rings come with the warning of "don't wear them to outside activities"
I mean, if your going to allow them, then allow them. I also understand he does have his Bishop's blessing in this matter.
I personally care very much about Pastor Mascareno. But, I also know when you make "out of the box" choices you are subject to criticism.
Just because people are our friends does not make them 100% right all the time.
Knocking Pastor Mascareno because his wife wears a wedding ring?
Because its a Tiffany Ring?
Wow. Bring out the tar and feathers. Off with his head already. How dare his wife wear a ring. What a blasphemer she is. What a terrible pastor he is. What shame he's brought to the Assembly.
Not like she spend $60,000.00 on his own "Bishops Day Party" like former "Southern District Bishop Juanito from Oceanside" spent to honor himself.
What about Obispo Martin Del Campo and his big congregation of 35.
http://apostolicassembly.org/min_women.aspx
Not to be mean, but the leadership of the "DORACAS" look like the ladies who are members of that Mormon Compound in Texas that got raided a couple of weeks ago.
But hey, they don't wear rings.
tonedeaf
Are you shure Pastor Mascareño allows the wedding ring in hi's church and that he has his Bishop's
blessing? becuese there it goes again doublestandard..
Van, I wasn't knocking Pastor Mascareno. I said I understood someone elses point.
Once, again. The wedding ring is not the point. The AA has rules and regulations. If you are a Pastor then shouldn't you abide by them. I know that every congregation is unique. We are human with unique abilities and callings. But, this is a backbone standard. Some women get thrown out of church for lip gloss. My whole point was if you live out side the proverbial box you open yourself up to criticism.
People have been ousted from the Assembly for less.
My point of it being a "Tiffany" ring, is not the cost. Pastor Mascareno has a fabulous job and can well afford whatever he wants to buy for his wife. But, for something to be prohibited in the
AA. You would think it would be better to be discreet about certain things instead of publicizing the size of the stone and cost encumbered.
And, yes I am sure that Pastor Mascareno allows his congregants to wear wedding rings and has his Bishops approval.
Personally, I don't have any problem with wedding rings and kudos to Pastor Mascareno for permitting something long over due.
I feel ya. The AA is a mess when it comes to its own rules and regulations, aka doctrine.
They send you to hell for wearing a wedding ring, but promote you to Obispo even though your a type 2 obese diabetic glutton with a tamale habit and have a "friday girl", allegedly.
Notice how AA Rules always rule against women.
Women cant wear rings
But Men can sport Rolex
Women can't wear pants
But men can have lowriders
Women can't preach
But Women can do Cocina
Women can't wear open toe shoes
But Men can set the rules
Women can't serve on the National
Board
But men can set the Quota for Flor Azul
Women can't style or dye their hair
But our Obispo Presidente can use "Just For Men"
The AA is such a mess! It's bad enough that most AA standards do not align Biblically, but what's worse is one church sends you to hell for breaking a standard and the church down the street says, "well it depends."
A married girl (pastor's daughter - I won't say names) goes to bed with her gym trainer and gives him a time of his life. Soon after, she repents, marries again and starts spitting out gospel CD's as if nothing ever happened. God is good ain't he?
On the other hand, another girl with no prestige or pedigree screws up, shamed in front of the church, all the ladies surround her and rebuke the evil spirits out of her, and is booted out of the church. She can't attend another church because it's too shameful to show her "CARTA" or "LETTER of RECOMMENDATION" that says "ADULTERY - keep an eye on her."
The AA IS A BIG MESS with no consistency. Favoritism is rampant, and if you're not related to anyone important or if you can't make LEGS GROW, then you're pretty much screwed. You may as well kiss your calling goodbye.
Colorado,
That is what sickens me about The Assembly.
All the double standards and favoritism.
Isnt it funny how Pastors family members always seem to be called to Ministry !
And the poor guy who truly is called but doesnt have the right last name is a benchwarmer for life.
let them have their little regimes its all they have in life its truly sad.
but what is more sad is that we allow it and we permit these power hungry men to exist by our saying and doing nothing when we know its wrong.
We are guilty of commiting sins of omission.
al_gueso_colorado:
Very well spoken.
Not Apostolic, but more Righteous and Honorable than the whole Apostolic Assembly Board put together.
Irena Sendler 1910 to 2008
We should learn from her example.
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Fate may have led Irena Sendler to the moment almost 70 years ago when she began to risk her life for the children of strangers. But for this humble Polish Catholic social worker, who was barely 30 when one of history's most nightmarish chapters unfolded before her, the pivotal influence was something her parents had drummed into her.
"I was taught that if you see a person drowning," she said, "you must jump into the water to save them, whether you can swim or not."
Irena SendlerWhen the Nazis occupying Poland began rounding up Jews in 1940 and sending them to the Warsaw ghetto, Sendler plunged in.
With daring and ingenuity, she saved the lives of more than 2,500 Jews, most of them children, a feat that went largely unrecognized until the last years of her life.
Sendler, 98, who died of pneumonia Monday in Warsaw, has been called the female Oskar Schindler, but she saved twice as many lives as the German industrialist, who sheltered 1,200 of his Jewish workers. Unlike Schindler, whose story received international attention in the 1993 movie "Schindler's List," Sendler and her heroic actions were almost lost to history until four Kansas schoolgirls wrote a play about her nine years ago.
The lesson Sendler taught them was that "one person can make a difference," Megan Felt, one of the authors of the play, said Monday.
"Irena wasn't even 5 feet tall, but she walked into the Warsaw ghetto daily and faced certain death if she was caught. Her strength and courage showed us we can stand up for what we believe in, as well," said Felt, who is now 23 and helps raise funds for aging Holocaust rescuers.
Sendler was born Feb. 15, 1910, in Otwock, a small town southeast of Warsaw. She was an only child of parents who devoted much of their energies to helping workers.
She was especially influenced by her father, a doctor who defied anti-Semites by treating sick Jews during outbreaks of typhoid fever. He died of the disease when Sendler was 9.
She studied at Warsaw University and was a social worker in Warsaw when the German occupation of Poland began in 1939. In 1940, after the Nazis herded Jews into the ghetto and built a wall separating it from the rest of the city, disease, especially typhoid, ran rampant. Social workers were not allowed inside the ghetto, but Sendler, imagining "the horror of life behind the walls," obtained fake identification and passed herself off as a nurse, allowed to bring in food, clothes and medicine.
By 1942, when the deadly intentions of the Nazis had become clear, Sendler joined a Polish underground organization, Zegota. She recruited 10 close friends -- a group that would eventually grow to 25, all but one of them women -- and began rescuing Jewish children.
She and her friends smuggled the children out in boxes, suitcases, sacks and coffins, sedating babies to quiet their cries. Some were spirited away through a network of basements and secret passages. Operations were timed to the second. One of Sendler's children told of waiting by a gate in darkness as a German soldier patrolled nearby. When the soldier passed, the boy counted to 30, then made a mad dash to the middle of the street, where a manhole cover opened and he was taken down into the sewers and eventually to safety.
Decades later, Sendler was still haunted by the parents' pleas, particularly of those who ultimately could not bear to be apart from their children.
"The one question every parent asked me was 'Can you guarantee they will live?' We had to admit honestly that we could not, as we did not even know if we would succeed in leaving the ghetto that day. The only guarantee," she said, "was that the children would most likely die if they stayed."
Most of the children who left with Sendler's group were taken into Roman Catholic convents, orphanages and homes and given non-Jewish aliases. Sendler recorded their true names on thin rolls of paper in the hope that she could reunite them with their families later. She preserved the precious scraps in jars and buried them in a friend's garden.
In 1943, she was captured by the Nazis and tortured but refused to tell her captors who her co-conspirators were or where the bottles were buried. She also resisted in other ways. According to Felt, when Sendler worked in the prison laundry, she and her co-workers made holes in the German soldiers' underwear. When the officers discovered what they had done, they lined up all the women and shot every other one. It was just one of many close calls for Sendler.
During one particularly brutal torture session, her captors broke her feet and legs, and she passed out. When she awoke, a Gestapo officer told her he had accepted a bribe from her comrades in the resistance to help her escape. The officer added her name to a list of executed prisoners. Sendler went into hiding but continued her rescue efforts.
Felt said that Sendler had begun her rescue operation before she joined the organized resistance and helped a number of adults escape, including the man she later married. "We think she saved about 500 people before she joined Zegota," Felt said, which would mean that Sendler ultimately helped rescue about 3,000 Polish Jews.
When the war ended, Sendler unearthed the jars and began trying to return the children to their families. For the vast majority, there was no family left. Many of the children were adopted by Polish families; others were sent to Israel.
In 1965, she was recognized by Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust authority, as a Righteous Gentile, an honor given to non-Jews who risked their lives to save Jews during the Nazi reign. In her own country, however, she was unsung, in part because Polish anti-Semitism remained strong after the war and many rescuers were persecuted.
Her status began to change in 2000, when Felt and her classmates learned that the woman who had inspired them was still alive. Through the sponsorship of a local Jewish organization, they traveled to Warsaw in 2001 to meet Sendler, who helped the students improve and expand the play. Called "Life in a Jar," it has been performed more than 250 times in the United States, Canada and Poland and generated media attention that cast a spotlight on the wizened, round-faced nonagenarian.
After each performance, Felt and the other cast members passed a jar for Sendler, raising enough money to move her into a Catholic nursing home with round-the-clock care. They and the teacher who assigned them the play project, Norman Conard, started the Life in a Jar Foundation, which has raised more than $70,000 to help pay for medical and other needs of Holocaust rescuers.
Last year, Sendler was honored by the Polish Senate and nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, which brought dozens of reporters to her door. She told one of them she was wearying of the attention.
"Every child saved with my help is the justification of my existence on this Earth," she said, "and not a title to glory."
Sendler, who was the last living member of her group of rescuers, is survived by a daughter and a granddaughter.
Geez could that article be any longer ?
Synopsis please.
Hey gueso colorado,
you got that right! And what about Ishmael Arellano. He had a baby with a previous woman and he abondened the girl and tried to keep it a secret. Then the board found out and Baldy gave him a few more terms on the board for being such a great daddy.
Pero... if you go to Ishmael's church be careful! watch out if you wear open toed shoes, he'll treat you like a slut and scold you - dye your hair and you're now a harlot. H
double standards EVERYWHERE in the assembly. que esta pasando???
There are not double standards. God is good and able to forgive all sins. It does not matter the sin, God is able and just to foregive by the power and annointing of his blood. Amen
For all you Hispanic in West Virginia, get out and VOTE!
Su Voto es Su Voz!
Hillary Clinton will fight for you! Hillary is committed to an Immigration Reform Bill that will allow your families to become legal residents.
VOTE Hillary Clinton for President!
Hola a Todos;Sabes de histiria mi estimado henry.quique.Enruque,Buen ejemplo de esta senora, y exelente mensaje para todos ustedes.Lastima que a algunos les paresca una historia muy larga, pero si no tienes un exelente fundamento, como el que dises en tu escrito pos definitivamente no tiene contenido felicidades.
De los que se estan quebrando la cabeza. de arellano de aquel. de el otro,que usa anillo etc etc.pos dejenlos.
Empiezo,Con sus patriarcas,que como todo en la historia, tiene sus altas y bajas.se recuerdan de Un Hombre llamado David. En el Libro mas antiguo del mundo?.
Al parecer fue el unico con el corazon que mas agrado al credor y lla ven lo que le paso.
Lo Mismo algunos lideres de su Iglesia.HIsieron mucho pero sin pena y sin gloria.
Arellano,exelente persona bien preparado,era de caracter fuerte y muy celoso de su religion,y ahi esta.
Almaraz.muy entregado a sus puestos en su periodo de lider,lamentablemente,no todos estiraban parejo y pues se nos adelanto.
Roberto Ramirez.otro hombre con exelentes calificaciones, y muy entregado a su trabajo que desempeno en la directiva.para mi en su tiempo, y segun su biografia ubiese sido un exelente presidente dee su nucleo.
Sanches segun tengo entendido lo eligieron por que cooperaba mucho con Balde.Vizcarra.y tdos los lideres en la epoca en que el era pastor y ahora una triste historia para el,y su comitiva. pasa al libro negro de la historia de su Iglesia.junto con valverde y demas clerigos de esta administracion.Bueno aqui le paro senores hasta la pricima.y que viva mexico.att El pestayo...Saludos a Todos.
Hillary Clinton IS for partial birth abortion!!!!
John McCain and George Bush support the murder of innocent people of Iraq. This war, which is based on a LIE, has cost the lives of over 4,000 Americans and over 1,000,000 Iraqis.
Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
There were none. Saddam lied about having them to keep Iran at bay.
The United States, behind Richard Nixon and George HW Bush put Saddam in power. Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld backed Saddam and Al Queda when they were fighting Iran and the USSR.
As President, Hillary Clinton will end the war and bring home our troops.
We need jobs not war.
Your choices are there. John McCain, who will continue the war for 100 years, make sure gas goes to $10.00 per gallon, Barak Hussien Obama with his racist pastor and inexperience or Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is the most experienced for the job.
Vote Today! Su Voto es su Voz!
Hillary,
Uh, what about the "mass destruction" of all the innocent people who died in the twin towers and those who were so unfortunate to be in the downed planes and those at the Pentagon? Remember 911? Its what brought the war on.
I'd bet if your mom, dad or any relative or loved one had died there you might be going after Saddam yourself. Or should the we just wait until the next "mass destruction"?
Have we gotten to the point where we have discussed all the issues pertaining to The Assembly and Voting Irregularities ?
So now were on politics ?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
No Thanks
Does anyone know the latest about the legal stuff that is occurring in our beloved assembly? What was the results of the appeal? Are they removing more people?
Wally
does the assembly do any type of background check or do they keep personal information on ordained ministers? also, check on sex offender's database were these people ordained minister's and if they were does anybody know who ordained them??
The war in Iraq and 9/11 are two different things.
Saddam, who was a friend of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Donald Rumsfeld and George HW Bush did not plan the terror attacks on 9/11.
Sadly, the 9/11 terror attacks were planned by CIA backed Osama Bin Laden, who is head of the Mujahadin, whom the CIA, under Ronald Reagan supported during the USSR invasion of Afganistan. You remember Ronald Reagan call them Freedom Fighters.
The truth is that Suadi Arabia had more to do with 9/11 since its the major financial backer of the Mujahadin and Bin Laden.
We make Saudi Arabia a world power because of our dependence on oil.
Its time for change. We need to clean out Washington DC of the war mongering Republicans who are responsible for the biggest government deficit in the history of the world.
Su Voto es Su Voz. Support Hillary Clinton for President. Call your Congressman and Senator, tell them you want them to cast their Super Delegate Vote for Hillary Clinton.
Hillary
You're full of it, go campaign somewhere else.
We have our own problems due to rigged elections and the abuse of power.
Hillary Clinton for President is proudly endorsed by several members of your organization.
Hillary Clinton backs a common sense Immigration Reform Bill that will create a path to legalization so that Hispanic families can be united, work, and have a path to citizenship.
Hillary Clinton will make sure the Faith Based Initiative will continue to offer grants to church organizations like yours to offer your community access community faith based programs like midnight basketball, tutors for challenged youth, pregnancy testing, testing for HIV, English as a Second Language, etc...
Su Voto es Su Voz!
Voto Hillary for President!
Call your Democratic Congressman and Senator and tell them to cast their Super Delegate Vote for Hillary Clinton.
The Hispanic Community should remember that President Bill Clinton had the most Hispanic Appointments to federal government jobs in the history of the country.
Hillary Clinton will make sure the Hispanics are a minority that are represented in Washington DC.
Hillary Clinton will make sure Hispanic Seniors have access to health care.
Hillary Clinton will make sure Congress passed Immigration Reform in the 100 days in office.
Su Voto es Su Voz!
Hillary Clinton 4 President 2008!
Hillary Clinton will surely lead us to the path of destruction if elected.
She will turn her back on Isreal if elected, and God forbid if she is elected. We are in for our time of hell here on earth.
Obama is no better.
The lesser of evils is McCain but not by much.
hola a todos ,El mejor candidato a la precidencia de U.S.A.ES Mcain.Pesele a quien le pese.hoy no escribo mucho.ahi los dejo.y que viva mexico.
I have a feeling "Hilary" is posting propaganda in order to distract everyone from talking about what really is going on at Rancho CACA-monga. Maybe "Hilary" is a board member's kid or something.
I guess I am not surprised a board member's kid is posting as Hilary. There's not much difference between Hilary and the GB - they're both power hungry and they're both liars.
Hillary,
You need to understand who you are talking to these men and women are by ethncity Hispanics but even more then that they are Christians residents of Heaven and would not trade that for a Canidate who believes in homsexual marriage and wants to uphold roe vs wade so more innocent baby's can be murdered. Hillary could be pro hispanic all she wants but as long as she denies the wprd of God she doesn't get my vote. Anyways the other liberal Obama already won you guys in the primaries give it up.
Hillary clinton is the next Jezebel! If you are a Christian, which I'm NOT, you have to be out of your mind to vote 4 her. Just look at her voting record!
1) She is FOR partial birth abortion!
2) She is FOR same sex marriages!
3) She is FOR the right of teenager to chose whether they can receive birth control OR have an abortion WITHOUT aparents concent!
Should a Christian vote FOR such a person. If you do Hillary, what kind of a Christian are you. EVEN I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. Dumb ..ss!
Su Voto Es Su Voz!
Voto Hillary Clinton 4 President!
Abortion is the legal right for every woman in the USA. Women have the Right to Choose. Its between her and her maker.
As a Christian, Hillary Clinton believes that every man and woman should decide who they marry. The government shouldnt decide for you.
Hillary Clinton also believes that teenages should be allowed to take care to prevent the spread of HIV.
If you don't agree with these, then you are not for freedom of choice. If you don't agree with Hillary Clintons platform, then you are against the Freedoms that the Constitution Guarantee.
Hillary Clinton is running for the President of the United States. Governments should not decide what you do to your body nor should they dictate who you marry. This is not Cuba, the USSR or Iran where women do not have CHOICE or where men and women are dictated who they marry.
To have those stringent beliefs, is against Freedom.
Hillary Clinton 4 President HOY!
Please call your Democratic Congressman and Senator and tell them to cast their Super Delegate Vote for Hillary Clinton.
Su Vote Es Su Voz!
here's the thing hillary...the rule against same sex relations and/or marriages was not made by the government, but by God. Its in the Bible..read it. birth control doesnt prevent the spread of HIV...abstinence does. A woman should not get to choose. Who is she to say this baby will not get to live. Nobody has that right! stop wasting your time on here...hillary is not going to win. I would rather her be the democratic nominee because she stands less of a chance against mccain.
To The Above Post at 2:57pm
Iran, Cuba, Lybia, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, Communist China, share your beliefs.
Truly, you belong to the oppressive party of John McCain.
An Interesting conversation!!
'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely.'
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'
'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer,even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'
The student remains silent.
'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er..yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son.Is there evil in this world?'
'Yes, sir.'
'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
'Yes'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness?Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
'So who created them?'
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes,professor, I do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable,demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'
'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold;otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.'
'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see,sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.'
'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'
'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'
'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes,sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling,as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist,but a preacher?'
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'
The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.
'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.'
'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact,faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course,there is. We see it everyday It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir,or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.
Hola A Todos.El mejor candidato a la presidencia de los estados Unidos.Es definitivamente Jon Macain.
Osama Binladen.Perdon Barac Obama seria tener un pais lleno de Flojos y pidiendo estampillas.si deporsi con un gobierno que apoya al pequeno empresario y al grande.estamos como estamos y la gasolina por los cielos Imaginense con Osama.
Cda Candidato tiene sus propuestas.Hilary Apoya muchas cosas que las Denominaciones eclesiasticas no aprueban pero las practican?.O Diganme ustedes.El desear,Mentir,MIrar,Hablar,No son Pecado?
Lo dejo a su consideracion..
Por esto y muchas cosas que viva mcain...Si Jon Mcain..
Att El Pestayo
my point is "hillary" that you came to the wrong blog to campaign! most of us here are apostolics, we have morals. like cbg said "If you are a Christian,... you have to be out of your mind to vote 4 her."
Information on John McCain.
Cheated on his wife in an extra-marrital affair. ADULTERY
LIED about the weapons of mass destruction. LIAR
Sent brave soldiers to their death in an Immoral War. IMMORAL
Is a son of a Navy Admiral and benefitted from that connection.
NEPOTISM
Supports Arizona's Banishment of Dr. Martin Luther King Day.
Racist
Supports harassment of Hispanics by the Arizona Sheriff.
Biggoted.
Supports the Immoral Iraq War for another 100 years.
Delusional.
Is your organization better off than it was 4 years ago?
Su Voto Es Su Voz!
Hillary Clinton 4 President!
Hillary Clinton 4 President HOY!
Please call your Democratic Congressman and Senator and tell them to cast their Super Delegate Vote for Hillary Clinton.
Su Vote Es Su Voz!
Hillary
Mccain apologized to a group of african americans for his opposition to MLK day and he said he was wrong. As for nepotism he spent years being tortured by the N Vietmenese he could have gotten out but refused special treatment. As for Cheating the news paper that told the story didn't have proof. As for the war Hillary voted for the war too. Get it straight were Christians first.
Una ves mas. Aqui es el futuro de un pais.y este presidente es Jon Macain.escuchen lo que les digo senores.no importa de que re;ligion seas.ve un futuro mejor.Vota Por Jon mcain.Que Viva Mexico.
Hillary,
What about Hillari's involvement in "White water?"
Folks,
This is the latest on Sam Malverde. Everyone at FTC is awe struck at the announcement that Mr. sacrifice (S. Valverde) is not going to receive a salary from their church because he wants that money to go towards the new building. If they only knew he is doing that because according to an inside source Malverde makes $80,000 a year NOT counting all the perks, travel, vacations, and offerings he gets on the side. The man makes over $100,000 but he is sacrifing for the cause. The people at FTC are blind to this man's actions, attitude, and character outside their own little world of FTC. Enron, I mean the AA will soon come stumbling down!
so like we should change the name of the blog for who will with the elections shouldnt we?????
Has anyone seen the new non-profit corporation formed in Texas by Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco? They formed it in October, 2007 and they never presented it to the Pastors for approval. The new corporation is named "Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus of Texas, Inc." I think these fellows have something up their sleeves and are using funds from the Assembly to do what they want to do. Something is not right. For a long time I have been reading the blogs and trying to stay neutral but this really scares me.
This was done right before our convention and nothing was ever mentioned in the Pastors' meetings. Does anyone know why they are doing this?
Alguien sabe algo de la nueva corporación que formaron Sanchez, Valverde and Pacheco? la nueva corporacion se llama "Asamblea Apostolica de la fe en Cristo Jesus de Texas" Se formo en octubre del 2007 un poco antes de la convencion pasada en Dallas,TX.
Hola mi estimado lector de esta Pagina.
Les recomiendo Pongan atencion a todos sus escritos,
Hilary clinton no sera una buena presidenta.menos Osama.
El Unico candidato capacitado es .Jon Macain..
De als nuevas Oficinas de Sanchez Y Palomilla.Pregunten en el edificio dela ciaudad de Dallas.Houston y Ellos Tienen La Informacion..
Ya es Fin de semana y me voy a pasear a centro america.mas esactos Honduras a Un Carnaval. El de la ceiba Pues.
Saludos A Todos.No se alarmen por lo de el Carnaval.reportare desde El Lugar de los hechos.
Att El Pestayo..Que Viva Mexico
How many salaries does Malverde get?
Pastor Salary?
Bishop Salary?
Special Offerings?
Has anyone wondered why they are moving the HQ offices to Texas and why they allegedly formed a new corporation?
I recently heard that it's becasue they lost a lawsuit and the prevailing party got the HQ office building as payment for whatever damages the court awarded.
I don't know how true this is, but if anyone has access to San Bernardino County Recorders office they can check it out.
That would answer the question as to why Artie is in Texas (new coporation representative, in Texas?)not becasue Houston is an Airlines hub and it's easier to get flights out of the country.
The reason, my guess, is that the Apostolic HQ is moving to Texas for the favorable tax exemptions.
Is there any other reason? Look who's in Texas.
Benny Hinn Ministries
TD Jakes
TBN has a base there
Branch Dividians were based out of Waco.
Now the Apostolic Assembly.
Everyone knows how money motivates the AA. So, avoiding paying taxes is the logical reason.
So my friends, the AA Leadership is filled with Draft Dodgers and Tax Evaders.
With the exception of Misael Zaragosa.
The AA is a non-profit corporation in California, as such, it pays no taxes. How much less taxes would they pay in Texas?
As John Maxwell would say,
"Just a thought".
As I said, I don't know if there's any truth to that story,
but from what we have seen lately, anything is possible.
what kind of taxes are you talking about withs Misael?
Personal or church?
Persona
It’s kind of ignorant the assembly teaches everybody to focus on the outer appearance there worried about peoples clothes and not there hearts. That’s why you have ministers with rotting hearts but at least they don't wear shorts. I mean come on you think Jesus was beat down kicked stabbed in the side hung on a cross, and got back up again to enforce a dress code. No wonder every thing is the way it is you enforced a tradition over mercy, sanctification over love, the assembly doesn’t have fleshly leaders the assembly breeds fleshly leaders. They talk about not wearing jewelry in order to be modest but the cars their leadership drives are way less then modest. I mean come on some of those engagement watches are way more expensive then any ring. They enforce laws over mercy and love. You think God is proud of you. You think because you jump higher or scream louder God hears you. Worship is not your music its how you live. You think God blesses the man who sings loudest or the one who shows love to his neighbor. Wake up the fruits of the spirit are more then speaking in tongues, but of course we were taught to look on the outside, but the truth is we reap what we sow. We focused on how things look and what we can see with our eyes and developed people who are more worried about there uniform then there relationship. The sad thing is the doctrine true but those who hold it are like cups clean on the outside but dirty on the inside.
Van
In your posting of May 16 at 3:10 pm, you exclude Misael Zaragosa from among the misfit AA leadership.
Are you talking about the Misael who was the National President of the Varones while pastoring the church of National City?
What kind of pull did he have with the General Board so that they would continue to allow him, while pastoring, to be Varones President for around 16 years when there were so many well qualified men of the AA who could have done this job.?
He had the opportunity to go Bible College paid by the government, when he got out of the military, but he chose not to.
He has no training for ministry and forever brings speakers from the General Board and other ministers to preach at his church for those famous high priced offerings.
He needs outside forces to revive his church because he is unable to bring revival as their Shepard.
He got the National City church by coming alongside the aging pastor Frank Morales and offered to help in the church with no salary because he had a hefty secular salary.
He had Frank Morales name him Pastor while Frank kept the salary. Misael was not a member of the National City church, he came from Otay.
There were a lot of men from the National City Church who were well prepared to take the Pastorship and had helped Pastor Morales for many years and had helped build the church.
Zaragoza conned his way in and stepped in front of so many deserving men who could not afford to help at the church without income.
So he shrewdly took an established church and all the work someone else had done, for himself. An opportunist?
Are you talking about the same Misael Zaragosa who wrote to the judge and told him that the election of 2006 was on the up and up?
During the election Sanchez had Misael out there entertaining the Pastors while the elections were being doctored up inthe back room.
Is this the Misael you are talking about? He is setting the stage to get on the General Board. An opportunist?
Is this the same Misael Zaragoza who told us that he was so sorry that he had neglected for many many years his son Eddie?
This dad had no time for his son because he was so busy with the Varones, traveling all over the US and Europe and Latin America in grand style.
Now, Eddie is one of those Apostolic kids who have left the church.
I hope you were just baiting us bloggers with your comment. If not, I hope this clears up for many people about yet one more of our illustrious leaders.
Analyst:
Misael is one of the good guys. You sound bitter of him. You must be one of those mic adjusting deacons who wanna be named pastor. As for his son Eddie, we are talking about a 45 year old man, not a teenager. He made his own decisions.
Frank Morales was a deadbeat oldman who was out of touch with his congregation. His ministers were none better. Pastor Z has done a good job under the circumstances. Plus, he's a man of honor. He served our country in Vietnem when the likes of Sanchez, Baldemar, Valverde, Pacheco,and the like were busy dodging the draft.
ha ha!
"mic adjusting deacons"
Apostolicanalyst,
You can't have it both ways. You first lambast current board members for their lack of secular education. Now you're going after Pastor Zaragoza for not going to bible college after he served in Vietnam as a Navy Seal for several tours of duty.
Um, the reason he didn't go to bible college right after 'Nam is because he wasn't saved yet!!! He instead got a college degree and began a long and distinguished career as an engineer for General Dynamics.
You ever heard of the Tomahawk Missile? Well, Pastor Z. had a hand in its creation.
It is also my understanding that Pastor Zaragoza gave up his position as the Varoner president when he became pastor of N.C. in 1999. You're purposely misleading people when you say that he pastored AND was Varones president for 16 years. How could that be if he's only been a pastor for less than 8 years?
Please name me one name from National City who was better qualified to become pastor of N.C. before Pastor Zaragoza took over?
Analyst:
Is there any good you can find in any of the general board? Either current or former?
I know they all have their flaws. But you and another blogger have now taken shots at Misael Z and Sam Mascareno.
These two have, whether you like it or now, two of the larger churches in the AA.
Are they perfect men? By no means no. Are they accomplished? Yes. Have they peaked? No.
I like Misael Z because he acknowledges he's not the hell fire pastor like a Abel Aguilar. But he makes up for it by being a sound teacher and excellent administrator.
I for one, would follow his lead. Because he leads by example. A trait one finds in military leadership. Again, when others like Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Aguilar were busy DODGING THE DRAFT, Pastor Z was ready to SERVE and did SERVE and continues to SERVE.
There is no way in God's Good Earth you can blame him because his son is no longer an "Apostolic". He's probably still serving the Lord, but in another denomination. I know him and the Z family and can't imagine Eddie dissing God. Only through Taliban eyes is he not serving the Lord. But in God's eyes, he's saved.
I don't recall reading anywhere in the Bible where God took back the salvation He gave us so freely on that cross.
Pastor Z is a Good Man of God. Shoot, even Edward Pacheco has done some good. Lord knows he needs to do more good to make up for all the bad he has done.
Pastor Z -
450 member church
Vietnam Veteran
Combat Vet
College Grad
General Dynamics
Help Develope the Tomohawk Missle System
Good Father
Good Family
Eward Pacheco -
Draft Dodger
Alleged Crook
150 member church
La Puente Bible School Alumn
Worked Pt at a Lonchera
to Van.
Pastor Morales a "deadbet"? You are really out of touch on that one.
If you are reffering to his preaching skills, then just comeout and say, he couldn't preach. But never a deadbeat.
Out of touch with the congregation?
No way, he would go visit the members as much as he could. He would send mimnisters to conferences to learn from others.
Held regular ministerial meeting.
Had an open door policy, that anyone could call on him at anytime day or night (and when they did) and he would be there for them.
He never took a vacation, his only travels were church related. Did missionary work in South America
(paid out of his own pocket)
He never missused church finds,
was very cautious on how it was spent. Never spent church money on himself, always gave instead.
Even on Pastor day he didn't want the church to spend too much, but the members did it out of Love for him. Not a $50.00 banquet but at the churches "Comedor".
In 2002 at the age of 91 he traveled to Dubai A.E. at his own expense, for a ministerial conference and crusade.
He was the first Apostolic to attend Saddlebacks Purpose Driven Conferences, he attended John Maxwell seminars, up until two years ago, traveled to Because of The Times in Aleaxandria LA.
All to make himself a better pastor and be able to help his members better.
He was more in touch with his people then your present day popular ministers that travel every weekend to preach at some conference.
He worked hard to build up N.C. started the church in 1962 and never stopped trying to make it better. At 70+ years of age when most ministers want to retire, he started constructing the prsent N.C. church, and was at the site every single day until it was finished.
Five years later he built the 20 unit Senior Center, again he was there every day. I could go on and on.
A deadbeat no way.
Yes, you are correct in the fact that there was no one else in N.C. that could take over.
Misael doing the best under the circumstances? What circumstance?
He was at the right place at the right time. He took over a congregation of 350, the best church building in Southern California District, a Senior center with positive cash flow.
Made a deal with E.Escamilla for Escamillas congregation to join N.C. and N.C. took over Escamillas old building which was sold for a good profit. Now E.E. gets a monthly income from N.C.
The N.C. membership was tought by Bro. Frank to give and work, his old saying was, there are three things to do in church
"Trabajar,Trabajar y Trabar".
If there was any difficult times for M.Z. he created them himself. Over 50% of the original congregation left to other churches when he took over.
The majority of the present membership is transferees from other churches and yes some new souls.
I give him credit for improving the church, but heck, when you start with what he was given it's not that difficult to make some improvents.
So van, get you facts straigh before you make a comment of a person.
I like M.Z. he is a great guy, but I still question some of the things he say's. I heard he was a welder in the Navy, not a Navy seal. I do give him credit for serving where others did everything in their powers to get out of serving in the armed forces.
As far as his son, Eddie attends N.C.
So please drop Bro. Frank Morales name from this blogg, this is about the G.B. and other issues not about men that gave their lives and all they had to the church.
Old Timer:
Yes, back in his prime, Frank Morales was a good worker. But he hang on too long. Too long to be of any effect. He was hanging on for that salary.
He ruled with an iron hand and had no mercy.
Dubia? Well thats great. He traveled some 7,000 miles to go to a "conference" with more ministers.
Great.
Meanwhile, I guess old Frank couldn't find it in him to minister to his own community in National City.
Here's a guy who condemned his youth for going to Skating Parties.
Put them on probation.
If half the congregation left when Pastor Z took over, then that just goes to show you all the deadbeats left. Good for National City.
What did Jesus say about a vine needing a purging?
A welder? He happend to be on a boat, like a Patrol Boat running missions on the Delta. But even if he was a welder, it was in a combat zone.
What was Frank Morales doing during the Vietenam War? Or was it WW2? Going to "Conventions". Ministering in those far off Lobbies? Chasing Levi Skirts while Men like Pastor Z put their lives on the line defending Freedom.
Oh ye generation of Convention goers!!
Ministering in Far Off Lobbies!
By the way, the best buildings in Southern District are Escondido and San Marcos.
National City, though a good church and big, is disfunctional. They should sell it to the National Guard, which for those of you in Las Cruces, New Mexico, is next to the NC church.
Does that Senior Center make any money? Then why do they rent the rooms like regular apartments?
I mean its a good thing to rent the rooms but its not run like a Senior Center, where you are governed by Social Security and Medicare.
Lord have mercy. There would have to be government accountability and we all know they like dodging government responsability in Rancho Cucamonga.....
So what's new at Ranch CUCKOO-monga?
The GB and GB kids are parading around bragging that the plaintiffs lost and were pretty much full of it from the very beginning.
I guess justice never got it's way. Gosh darn it!
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