Revolutionaries for Justice

So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?

Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.

Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.

You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.

I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".

Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.

You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.

Back to the Revolutionaries...

If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.

I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.

Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire


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For our revolutionaries....

ITS A PUBLIC LYNCHING! - Posting Stopped

PLEASE POST IN THE MOST RECENT BLOG ABOVE.

AV

• Abel Torres - LYNCHED I
  
• Saul Avila - LYNCHED
• Baldemar Rodriguez - LYNCHED
  
• Daniel Solomon - LYNCHED
  
• Arthur Tafoya
• Daniel Jauhall
• Isaac Cota
• Ishmael Arellano
• Julian Aguirre
• Richard Galaviz
• Samuel Arellano
• Guillermo Mendoza - LYNCHED
• Martin Vasquez
• Herman Garza
• Efrain Andrade - LYNCHED
• Isaac Hernandez - LYNCHED*

*Not 2006 Election related

D-Day! 2006 General Election Irregularities

D-Day has arrived hermanos. In an effort to continue discussions I am bumping the Elections comments thread to this section. Please feel free to post your comments here. We will suspend comments in the previous sections.

As you were...

Apostolic Voice
Blogmaster

ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL!

I think I figured it out.

I was looking at the pictures from the 2006 Elections (thank for the link to AA.info) and I came across this picture of this guy nodding off.

IT'S HIS FAULT!! He should have been diligently seeking direction through prayer. Even the waiter in the white suit was praying.

Who is this guy? He should be stripped of his license, disbarred, censored, flogged, and publicly humiliated. Had he been praying steadfast as the bible dictates, perhaps we all would have been relieved the current situation. Talk about a butterfly effect!

I was impressed with the whole election production. It seemed well organized. For some reason in my mind I had the impression that there was a bunch of men in white socks and black shoes using yellow stickies to write in an illegible script the name of who's back they wanted to scratch. It was actually, at least it looked like a very well thought out, organized event. The video monitors, the voting keypads, the district signage...even the waiter in the white suit stopped serving coffee and water and joined the Apostolico's in attendance in prayer.

While I was rifling through the pictures, these following thoughts came to my mind:

(1)The men in this picture are the very men who voted in the CID in the previous year. Not one objected. Not one questioned the document. Not one questioned the intent behind the document. NOT ONE! Even those that are on the plaintiff side did not object!

So that begs the question, Do we have the blind leading the blind? Well it appears to me that this is obviously so, for not one clergy member objected either did one person outside of the clergy. Including yours truly (for the record, I wasn't even aware there was a CID prior to this lawsuit).

Does this mean that it was not even discussed among the clergy? You would think that a couple of hermano's would sit and discuss the political topics in the Assembly after church one night over coffee and pandulce. It's looks like they're discussing it now and much more. (From my interaction with several brethren, the clergy can't even figure out who they can trust. Again this due to political posturing...haven't we had enough of that? But that is another topic).

(2)Did these clergy member's know that their individual vote counted only as 1/4 of the of the electoral process. Let's see, that means with respect our beloved organization each minister(person) is considered a fraction of a vote. It would take four ministers (persons) to make one whole vote. I will have to go back to my American history class but if I remember correctly even the slave's had more voting rights per person, 3/5 of a vote. And that 3/5 was weighed against a white mans 1/1 vote. That means it would take two black votes to neutralize one white man's vote. The Apostolic clergies individual vote is weighed against several committees that held the 3/4 of the vote. I'm not a statistician but it seems to me that the clergies vote doesn't even matter. AND THE WOMEN HAVE ZERO!!

OUR ORGANIZATION IS GOING BACKWARDS!!

And sisters don't sit there with smug look on your face, everyone of you have accepted the fact that you don't count save making a few tamales for the building fund. Why do the women have to be in an auxillary role (functioning in a subsidiary (secondary importance) capacity)?

Maybe that hermano caught nodding off, was indeed a mathmatician in disguise, knew of this and realized he was wasting his time sitting there while he could have been at Disneyland.

Apostolic Voice

Blogmaster

Pillars Gone - David F. Hernandez, Cesaria (Lita) Alvarez (Video Link added 3/5/08)

We've lost two great pillars: Brother David F. Hernandez(70) and Sister Cesaria Lita Alvarez(93).

Brother Hernandez embodied the work of the Apostolic Assembly.

David Hernandez...founded Family Life Center Apostolic Church in 1972... focused his ministry on reaching men who struggled with substance abuse and problems with crime and violence. He established the church in 1972 hoping to create a safe, community environment and to win people to God...

Memorial services will be held at 7 p.m. on Monday at Quiet Cannon banquet hall in Montebello and at 10 a.m. on Tuesday at Family Life Center Apostolic Church in Whittier.
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_8330334


Sister Alvarez' has given 73 years of service and ministry to our Lord and Savior under the Apostolic Assembly. Born in 1915, the Lord called her home early this morning at 2:45am (2/25/2008). According to those close to the family, she passed near the time of her daily prayer: 3am.

Sister Alvarez was instrumental to the Apostolic Assembly in founding both the Dorcas (Women's Auxillary) and Flor Azul (Foreign Missionary Fund). Millions of dollars have been raised by both of these groups for the purpose of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ locally and internationally. Sister Alvarez was also a song writer, poet and author.

http://itpstream.com/litaalvarez/

Our deepest condolences to the Hernandez and Alvarez families. Our prayers are with you!

An Open Letter to Bishop President Daniel Sanchez

1/9/2008

Honorable Bishop President Daniel Sanchez,

I greet you in the name of our loving Savior Jesus Christ. I pray God's blessing and wisdom upon you and your family.

The purpose of my letter is to address the matter of the removal of Former Bishop Abel Torres.
As you are aware the movements of the General Board are posted on this site daily. Prior to your visit to Texas, the agenda of your travels was published on this site. The outcome of your meeting with Brother Torres was immediately published on this site. The outcome of your visit with the Pastors of their respective district was again immediately published on this site.

Although many disagree with the purpose of this website, it has become a gathering place for those who LOVE this heritage of the Apostolic Assembly. The amount of visitors to this site is astonishing. Those who take time to post are passionate about their feelings. Some are well articulated and some are crass and rude. But nonetheless they are passionate! No one, not one, wants to leave this beloved organization. That, My Dear Bishop President, is LOVE.

Many view this lawsuit as addressing a plague affecting this organization. Many view this lawsuit as the affliction itself. Which ever side the constituents of this Assembly are on, we seem to agree on one thing: Brother Abel Torres was wrongfully removed.

Bishop President Sanchez, respectfully I submit to you a personal story.

I once held a secret clearance for a government agency for a line of work I was in. Prior to my employment with this agency I underwent a very stringent and lengthy background test which included psychological tests, physical test, criminal checks, 30 year background checks, social affiliations, credit checks, drug tests and mental aptitude tests. This process took several months. By the grace of God, and God fearing parents who instructed me on the value of my testimony, I gained clearance and proceeded to work diligently for a number of years in this environment.

Several opportunities arose which required a move to the private sector. Upon leaving the government agency, my superior officer told me, "We are losing a valuable asset, if you are not happy with your new duties do not hesitate to come back. We will only have to review from the time of this termination to the time of your reinstatement request. You are already cleared and on record from this date backward". This meant if I chose to return, I would not have to undergo all the previous test again. I would only be accountable for the time I left this agency and the time I requested to return. My clearance up unto that point was granted.

Respectfully I bring these items to you attention.
1. Brother Torres was voted in by an overwhelming margin as Bishop of his respective district. The local pastors were and are aware of his involvement this lawsuit but still held fast in their hearts and spirit they wanted him to lead their district. This was because of his integrity, character and record.

2. Brother Abel Torres, under the existing CID, was approved to charge the office of District Bishop. The opportunity arose to disqualify Brother Torres from the District election for reasons of insubordination or rebellion but the election committee felt he was qualified nonetheless. Brother Torres gracefully accepted this position and communicated his desire to continue God's work through the office of Bishop and bring resolve to the aforementioned matter.

3. During Brother Torres' short administration as Bishop, he worked with humility, integrity and the fear of God. He did not use his position to bring reproach to the General Board or the Apostolic Assembly. He did not use his position as leverage on behalf of the plaintiff's of the lawsuit. Rather he worked to bring the parties together as a peacemaker.

4. On December 28, Brother Torres was removed from the Office of Bishop. Brother Torres gracefully accepted the General Board's removal of his title. He did not use this action to bring reproach to the General Board or the Apostolic Assembly.

My beloved Bishop President, I submit to you 1 Corinthians 13: 4-7.

4.Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5.It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6.Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7.It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Although comments on this website fall short of reflecting of this scripture, I would suggest that Brother Torres does not. His actions are that of love - (13. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love).

I addressed the disclosure or awareness of the movements of the General Board and actions during the dates leading and up to the removal of Brother Torres from Bishop to also bring to light that we are also aware that Brother Torres did no wrong doing whatsoever during his term as Bishop. I would suggest to you that had their been impropriety on Brother Torres' behalf, it would have been well documented on this website and should be held responsible for those

actions if true.

Since Brother Torres was accepted as Bishop during the district election, and there was no impropriety on his part during his administration and reason for removal, we are asking that Brother Torres be re-instated as Bishop of his respective district.

He was granted clearance by the local pastors of his district, he was granted clearance by the election committee and General Board. And he did nothing during his administration to remove said clearance up until the time he was stripped of his position and until present.

The local pastors and leaders again called upon his reinstatement the same day by their actions in re voting and calling upon him to be their Bishop. This should be taken as a vote of confidence on his behalf.

My beloved Bishop President. there are many matters in our Assembly that need to be addressed and corrected. We know that they cannot be changed over night. However, we do not need to keep adding to that list.

I know it is a great burden that is on the shoulders of you and your administration, I pray that God grants you the strength and wisdom to keep the flame burning.

I ask that you please reinstate Bishop Abel Torres as Bishop. It is the right thing to do.

With Respect and Love,

Apostolic Voice

apostolicvoice@gmail.com

2007 General Convention Editorial

Hermanos,

Would you so kind in welcoming Brother Josh Bayne to the podium as he provides an analysis of the 2007 General Convention at the Gaylord Resort in Fort Worth Texas. Brother Bayne was asked by us to provide some insight as to what he witnessed at the convention. In my discussion with him, I realized that he may be the most unbiased person to provide this type of on the scene reporting.
I really hate to have to say, please be respectful as he is a guest blogger on this site, but I feel I must. Let's show him what warm hearts we in the AAFCJ have. I always find in interesting how we are percieved outside looking in.

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I must admit, I was a little keener to the unusual atmosphere of this years General Convention of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Jesus Christ. I had already done some reading and research concerning the Election Scandal of the General Convention of the previous year. During my research I found myself with a pretty objective attitude due to my lack of relationship with the Apostolic Assembly or its General Board. But as I walked through the doors of the Gaylord Texan, in Grapevine Texas, I was immediately confronted with an amazing sense of tension.

There were 2 types of people I met in Grapevine. The first was the person who was there for information and justice. This person really didn’t seem too interested in the convention itself, but rather in the business meetings and the way the assembly of believers would react to the accusations towards the General Board.

The second type of person was the vacationer. Although they were greatly blessed by the messages by people like Bro. Romo, and Bro. Aguilar, they were more there for a time away at a great resort. As a matter of fact, a good friend of mine who pastors in California said they only went to one service, as they really wanted to spend time with their family in such a “beautiful resort”.

There were plenty of rumors flying around the convention from the start. Rumors about Bishop Sanchez having a nervous breakdown. Rumors about a host of pastors who would be announcing their departure from the Apostolic Assembly and starting a new organization, or going independent. Rumors that the lawyers for the plaintiffs in the case brought against the Assembly and its General Board were present and accounted for. Although some of these rumors turned out to be true, the fact that rumors of this size had been started in the first place struck me as unusual.

I feel like everything I had witnessed so far I did so with a large amount of objectivity. I had refrained from casting stones at people. I had been very respectful of the call of God on the men’s lives who were leading this organization. But then something happened, I witnessed the offering portions of the convention, both of the Youth and General services. There wasn’t a single service I attended in which a large amount of time and effort was taken receiving the offering. Each time an offering was taken it was done so in a way that the person giving the offering was glorified for the amount they gave not the sacrifice in which was made by their giving. It truly was a sad situation. I know I may catch some heat for making this next statement, but here goes…

When will people learn that the way they treat their finances has just as much to do with them going to heaven as does being baptized in the name of Jesus? When will people learn that Jesus cares just as much about your check book as he does your witnessing abilities? The Bible has commanded us to be good stewards with the blessings, both monetary and non-monetary, he has given us. This commandment also is for the elders of the church. As a matter of fact, the offerings aren’t for the Pastors, preachers, and teachers. The tithe is, but not the offering. The offering is to carry on the work of the Lord, while the tithe is there to support the ministry and their families. I am completely confounded as to why so many Oneness Apostolic’s (UPC, PAW, IAFCJ, ALJC, AAFJC, etc.) can’t get this through their heads.

Consider this a prophetic word: When the Apostolic Church of the 21st Century turns from their money loving ways there will be an amazing Revival in the church, as well as an Abundant Harvest of new souls.

This is ultimately what I walked away with: Yes, there is probably some truth to the accusations of the plaintiffs, and yes there is probably some truth to the accusations by the defendants. But what is most true about the entire scandal is, this has everything to do with money and nothing to do with the souls of believers and the lost. Many members of the Apostolic Assembly have lost sight of what is really important.

Let me tell you what is NOT important (Here comes the heat again). Being Apostolic is not important. Walking around with your nose tilted in the air because you have taken on the title of Apostolic is so far from important it almost laughable. Jesus didn’t call you to be Apostolic.
Now for what IS important: Being a Christian. Being a Soul Winner. Being sure of your salvation. Being a Prayer Warrior. Being Sold out. Being ready for the rapture. Guess what hermanos y hermanas; None of this has anything to do with being Apostolic.

I dare you to call a Baptist church in your local town and ask them what they think of Apostolic’s. Once they get beyond the doctrinal differences they will start talking about “self-righteous attitudes”. They will tell you “they seem to be caught in the 19th Century”. “They seem to use coercion in getting new believers to come to Christ”. “Heavy Handed”, “Legalistic”, “They have Dictators as Pastors”, “They look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.”. I have personally heard these comments from denominational pastors, preachers, and members (Even the last one).

Apostolics, its time to let go of “our” title, and put on the title that Christ gave us; “Beloved”.
As for the General Board and this years General Convention and Youth Conference, it was alright. Nothing to special. Lots of talk and no action. Lots of hype, but no follow through. How long will it be that a man or woman of God will finally say enough is enough and do something? The Apostolic church of yesterday is dying, the Apostolic church of Today is ill, and the Apostolic church of tomorrow won’t know what hit them.

Bro. Josh Bayne is a licensed minister and Professional Audio Engineer. He and his wife (Rebecca Brito-Bayne) have a 4 month old son named J. Michael. Josh and Rebecca are founders of MyMinistryFinder.com which links Apostolic and other denominational ministers to churches in need of their help. Consider it a monster.com for churches.

Signed, Sealed, Delivered

The time has arrived! I agree with the person that said why boycott this convention as it may turn out to be one of the most interesting in our lifetime. Take pictures, video and audio files of interesting items you may encounter.

However, my gut feeling tells me that this legal action is of no benefit to the Apostolic Assembly as a whole.

1. This action could drag on until 2010 when the next election is to take place thus nullifying this filing.

2. If the plaintiffs win, it really hasn't changed the way the AA does business. There still is no oversight to the General Board, the same group of men that have been running the show for the past twenty years are trying to position themselves for the next twenty years, save Bro. Torres.
Which group of good 'ol boys do we want in office?, which really doesn't matter due the fact that I would venture to suggest that every election has been rigged since the inception of the Apostolic Assembly.

3. If the existing General Board wins, it is a legal mandate that they can continue business as usual. This without a doubt will lead organizational split because of (a.) those on the plaintiffs side will be excommunicated, maybe not formally but ministerially and socially and (b.) pride.

It is a very interesting situation we are experiencing. We need an oversight committee with truly independent, unbiased representatives that have no social, financial ties or political ladders to climb. All people with any previous position should not be on this committee. The General Board is responsible to this committee. It could be respected leaders from other business', educational and religious institutions and not AA members. Some may ask why do we need this? And I would be quick to remind you of the situation we are in. We need this more than ever! I don't care who is on the General Board, they need to be accountable for their actions to some one. And they are not choosing to be accountable to the constituency. That goes for the people on both sides of the lawsuit.

Thanks to those keeping track of the dates of the dates for the lawsuit. Keep us updated.

One more note, I thought it was interesting the plaintiffs noted in their lawsuit that they do not know if they have been financially impacted. It was left as a question mark. By the way, are the plaintiffs going to release who, if any one, has contributed to the their legal "defense" fund (by the way they are not on the defense which why I think their term is humorous, it should be something like: 2006 General Elections Fairness Legal Fund or Apostolic Assembly Legal Fund to Ensure Fair Elections) and how those funds have used.

I am also going to stop the comments under the AAFCJ Election Discussion Update Post. The election discussion can continue under this post.


Felicidades,

Apostolic Voice
Blogmaster

p.s.

I updated the Shout Out city list, we are up to 326 cities.

New Rules ****Update 11/8/2007****

Over the past couple of days we've been working on a solution that would allow greater adminstrative control in controlling comments on this blog. We feel quite a bit of the comments are childish and belong on someone else's blog. The purpose of us being here is to discuss the current state of the AAFCJ and its continued growth. With that being said, in 48 hours (11/10/2008) we are going to require those that wish to voice their opinion and add pertinant discussion in this matter become registered users to this blog. We feel this will do a couple of things.

1. Allow us to control the frivolous comments in this site by removing those users that continue to waste bandwidth by commenting on their affection for the opposite sex and have no relevance to this discussion.

2. Create an identity (although that identity can still remain anonymous if you so desire) which will hold that identity responsible for its comments. For example, Mike A, will be forever Mike A because he has registered his identity and no one will be able to attribute a comment to him unless it really is him as with other registered users. To register please create an email account using GMail at www.gmail.com or your prefered mail provider.

We are doing this because your voice really matters and we want it to ensure its influence is not diminished.

Please not that we have been contacted by leaders on both sides of this issue and both sides have positively reacted to the voicing of your opinions. (Don't ask who they are because we won't disclose that information.)

The rules below still apply.

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Please post your comments in the appropriate sections.

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Bankrupt

The subtitle might as well read "The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of the Apostolic Assembly"

Who knew that a blog such as this would expose supposed wrong doing by so many men and women, young and old on both sides or on no side of the current AA situation.

In our age of instantaneous information available to all, accountability will be demanded. The old, smelly, stale carpet in our house has been removed and replaced with transparent glass thereby removing the opportunity for hidden agendas, intentions and actions to swept under the rug. On this new surface we will be able to see all the fingerprints, smears, smudges, mud and dirt. That is a good thing because they kinds of items can be easily cleaned, addressed as soon as they appear.

It almost hurts to read all the things hurled out about brothers I've held in high regard. It seems that as soon as a name comes it is like they are the object of a pie throwing contest in a county fair, including the dead including the recently deceased.

At the most very basic level the fault of the AA has that we have been taught not to question authority in any manner. The AA body has been taught to almost deify the man behind the pulpit or sitting in the big chair on the platform. We've been taught to roll out the red carpet, kiss their ring finger and believe that this person holds absolute authority. The ignorance of our forefathers treated leaders as though they where the high priests. As far as I know there is only one high priest.

As the newer generation moves into their own, we must realize they've been taught through higher learning institutions how to think critically: Question authority.

"Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action". http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/definingCT.shtml

Unfortunately, our under-educated pastors and ministers are still of the mentality that we must believe and act according to what the man behind the pulpits dictates. Why? Because if he is behind the pulpit it must be the truth. There really is no logic in this type of thinking, even though this is the mentality that rules the ignorant masses. Fortunately hermanos, we are no longer part of that ignorant mass.

And our leaders played us because of our ignorance, we've been lied to, cheated, talked about mis-treated (anyone recognize this song). We've had dogma shoved down our throats with no biblical validity but "if you don't do what the pastor says, you are disobedient and rebellious".

Pastors/ministers/bishops/leaders, do me favor and stop preaching about the way I look on the outside. You are filled with sin, filth and deceit on the inside. Don't worry about sisters wearing pants, they are not going to hell because of it. There is absolutely no biblical validity to this! God does not love a pant wearer any less then a non-pant wearer. Don't preach to me about wearing jewelry, there to is no biblical validity to this either. I can use the same argument about watches and broaches, it is just stupid! The veil...let's not even go there.

We are saved by God's Grace not by what you think I should look like. It's funny how you think you can make God love someone more because of the way YOU want them to look.

In reality what you are doing is exactly what you've been doing - living a double standard and causing those in your congregations to live with double standards.

I teach my children to behave the same way when they are with me and when they are not with me. I teach them not to hide from me, I teach them that, I, as there father am not perfect and will make mistakes. And when I do make mistakes I will need their help and support. I teach them that they will make mistakes and they do not need to hide those mistakes from me because I will be there for them and not for the purpose of knocking them down. I teach my children that you are going to make mistakes, be selfish in your decision making and guidance (I do this because of your past history of looking out for your best interest and not mine) and not accurately apply God's word. I teach them it is their responsibility to take what you spoken and verify its validity with God's word - ...study to show thyself approved.

When you get behind the pulpit this coming Sunday, please remember, I am probably more educated than you, I probably make more money than you. I've spent countless hours studying God's word, studying for my degrees and analyzing financial and legal documents for real world business decisions. In my career I am compensated by helping other individuals and corporations make short and long term business projections. The bottom line is, I can see a grift coming from a mile away. (If you notice sometimes I wear my boots on Sunday.)

Spare me the dogma, God saved us by his grace, fortunately not your ignorance. It is because of your past decisions we have come to an intellectual and moral bankruptcy in our beloved organization.

We must reorganize and refocus our efforts in teaching God's grace, not Apostolic Assembly dogma.

Dios les pague

ApostolicVoice
Blogmaster

AAFCJ Election Discussion Update

The comment section for the original Election Irregularities blog has reached an overwhelming amount of of opinions (1,015+). As we approach the coming General Convention in November, it is important that this medium for the discussions regarding the Elections and Lawsuit continue, therefore tonight at 12am we will be stopping the comments from the original blog and will ask that you continue the discussion under this current blog.


Those comments will not be deleted but saved for all to review and add their opinion in this updated section. (They can be viewed here: http://apostolicnews.blogspot.com/2007/09/apostolic-assembly-2006-election.html)


We would also like to add that you may feel free to send in pictures, videos and comments of your local, district and national services. They will be posted here. You can email them to apostolicvoice@gmail.com

Your voice is being heard. Now, keep your eyes and ears open.

Dios Les Bendiga,
Apostolic Voice
Blogmaster

ps.
I don't know about you all but I am in serious prayer for the Arizona Diamondbacks. Is it wrong to fast tomorrow for their victory over the Colorado Rockies?

SHOUT OUT!*****UPDATE 11/18/07*****

**UPDATE 11/18/07**

The Blogmaster would like to send a SHOUT OUT! to all those representing the following cities(visitors to this site), in order of most active:

West Hollywood
Montclair
Midland
Tempe
Laguna Hills
Los Angeles
Chicago
Dallas
Loma Linda
Maywood
Santa Fe Springs
Glendale
San Lorenzo
West Covina
Fresno
Austin
New York
Mcallen
Spokane
San Diego
Chino
Odessa
Rowland Heights
Monterey Park
Selah
Houston
Pompano Beach
Ontario
Irving
National City
Carrollton
La Jolla
Harlingen
Montebello
Victorville
Alameda
Pomona
Pittsburgh
Sunnyvale
San Leandro
Modesto
March Afb
East Meadow
Corona
Albuquerque
Huntington Park
Hurst
Bluffton
Humble
(not set)
Empire
San Jose
Abilene
Phoenix
Tualatin
Santa Maria
Alviso
Belmont
Silver Spring
East Irvine
Tolleson
Norcross
Pasadena
Carmichael
Seattle
Laurel
Wildomar
Farmersville
Portland
Gilbert
Dyess Afb
Las Vegas
La Habra
Stafford
Grand Terrace
Tijuana
Cerritos
La Puente
Addison
Duluth
Garden Grove
San Juan
Richardson
Oakland
Rancho Cucamonga
San Marcos
Ogden
Sanger
Oxnard
Lemon Grove
Placentia
Tracy
Upland
Santo Domingo
Hesperia
Hughson
Lakewood
Walnut
Thousand Oaks
Phelan
Alhambra
Miami
Riverside
Tucson
North Miami Beach
Denver
San Ramon
Whittier
Cathedral City
Milpitas
Indio
Torrance
Fontana
Perris
La Mirada
Norman
Sun City
Jamestown
Tucker
Glendale
La Palma
Beverly Hills
Haltom City
Indian Wells
Santa Clara
Dublin
Alamo
Yuma
El Paso
Bell Gardens
Takoma Park
Boston
Encinitas
Bloomington
Santa Ana
Buena Park
Scottdale
San Francisco
Ceres
Herndon
Pico Rivera
Sacramento
Windsor
Artesia
Kaysville
Gardendale
Bellevue
Rialto
Englewood
Manteca
Fullerton
La Paz
Hacienda Heights
Downey
Bellflower
South El Monte
Opa Locka
Vista
Kerman
San Jacinto
Brea
Mountain View
Anaheim
South Orange
Foothill Ranch
Diamond Bar
Orange
Rancho Santa Fe
High Point
Kingston
River Forest
Pleasant Garden
New Braunfels
Valley Village
Pensacola
Pharr
Bakersfield
Los Alamitos
Panorama City
Columbia
Hilton Head Island
Milwaukee
Villa Park
Hayward
Merced
Santa Barbara
Inglewood
Newbury Park
Weslaco
Davenport
South Pasadena
Union City
Fremont
San Bernardino
Menifee
Catonsville
Oklahoma City
Colton
Lake Elsinore
Hialeah
Covina
Temecula
Baldwin Park
El Centro
Moreno Valley
Elmwood Park
North Hollywood
Mesa
Paradise Valley
Meridian
Bloomington
Canyon Country
Nogales
Carson
Palm Desert
San Antonio
El Mirage
Tahoka
Davenport
Culver City
Lathrop
St Louis
Boise
Beaumont
Nashville
Tampa
Lubbock
Vestal
Eugene
Sioux Falls
Atlanta
Honolulu
Devon
Marina
Midway City
Morrisville
Salida
Rancho Mirage
Nipomo
Roswell
Oak Park
Bensenville
Palatka
Tacoma
Mount Laurel
Racine
Monterrey
Newark
Long Beach
Irvine
Ripon
Lynwood
Wood Dale
Studio City
Cypress
Brisbane
Compton
San Luis Rey
Mission
Loomis
Gardena
Lilburn
Ashburn
Guadalajara
Barcelona
Poway
Fishers
Linden
San Marcos
Hawthorne
Westlake
Norwalk
Mentone
Commerce
Lafayette
Tustin
La Mesa
Ensenada
Hill Afb
Mcclellan
Bell
Irvington
Baltimore
Norco
Riverbank
Astoria
Redford
Arvada
Springfield
Temple City
Canyon
Hawthorne
Hillside
Rex
Yakima
Bedford
Bronx
Lawndale
Rosemead
Woods Cross
Monrovia
Eden Prairie
Laredo
Orlando
City of Industry
Bremerton
Millington
Ottawa
North Richland Hills
Stockbridge
Mira Loma
Garland
Del Mar
Grand Prairie
Pleasanton
Vancouver
Tok
Sunol
Costa Mesa
Kirtland Afb
Marina Del Rey
El Monte
Coppell
Corrales
Shreveport
Harwood Heights

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