Thursday, July 31, 2008

Revolutionaries for Justice




So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?

Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.

Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.

You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.

I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".

Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.

You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.

Back to the Revolutionaries...

If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.

I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.

Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire


ps.
For our revolutionaries....

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Little Eddie said...

2008 General Convention
- Missions Banquet Registration:

Don't forget to register to get your very own gold medal with a small love offering of $10.000.00

If you can't cut that, go for the silver for only a $5,000.00 love offering.

If you still can't cut it we have the bronze for a token $2,500.00 love.....well if u can only give $2,500.00 it's not considered love.

And for all of those who can't cut that, We'll Have Adam Lopez cut everyone down to feel like crap to get all the change, and yes even the bean dip will have to go.


Plucka Plucka Plucka

Factsonly1 said...

alembic

You should need to live by more faith. I recommend you attend the celebration in Texas during Thanksgiving weekend.

When you are there, I also recommend that you sow a seed of faith to the missions department. God will bless you if you sow your seed in sacrifice and in obedience to Gods word.

Your poverty was probably caused because you didn't tithe your 10%. Thats why God caused you to lose most of your 90%. But you can fully repent by giving cheefully at the celebration.

I should like to add, that you be prepared to recieve a fresh annointing and a newer revival. Your whole household be will blessed.

A special annoucement will be made and very importaant people from the upper achelons of society will be there to celebrate with us. God is opening doors that have never been the opened before.

Anonymous said...

"Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit." Ecc 7:8

Little Eddie said...

Alembic never said he didn't tithe or that his 90% was taken away.
He said that other people came to his aid, instead of the church.

Just like when that little boy from Lake Elsinore AA church that got lost and died in the woods.

Two vote was there and gave a whopping $100.00 donation. WOW! He probably spent more for that on lunch and put it on the company credit card.

Thats what he was talking about

Factsonly1 said...

How would you know how much the gb gave? Thats right, you don't. I happen to know the treasurer and he said the gb gave over $5,000 for the little kid's family.

$100.00? Thats another attempt to slander the general board. Your sorry attempt to slander won't work because we have the facts. The facts show the board gave more.

This is a sorry attempt to slander the general board and to distort the truth. Also you are attempting to change the subject from the wages of not tithing a full 10%.

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Anonymous said...

Patrick said something that caught my attention...

He mentions this "Gary the Snail told me factsonly1 is a gopher of the GB that goes to twovote eddie's church"

I have read all the info at apostolicassembly.info and I noticed a letter from a Jorge Zamora, I don't know what church he is from but it sounds like him.

In this letter Jorge Zamora speaks in the same mannerism as this factsonly1....could it be?

Words from his letter...
" Others speak of cowardice yet they boldly forget to include their names in order to take credit for their thoughts and opinions. This is always entertaining."

"It is sad to see our “brothers” attempt to defame the character to these great men our church is blessed with. Instead of praying for God’s guidance we hurl stones."

"Saying you respect the board members, and in the same letter defaming them is considered what? Is there a double standard?"

The words and character presented by factsonly1 is the same as that of this portrayed as Jorge Zamora.

His letters can be found at apostolicassembly.info under "other letters" titled "who should judge?"

Go For It said...

People in high places? Give me a break. Church and state are not suppose to mix. Besides the way this country is, I sure would not like to be "high". Please everyone don't let this "factsonly1" take your time. Let it go. He is not worth it. He is destracting from everything else.

Thought for the day said...

Dear Bloggers:
Praise the Lord:

After much prayer and seeking God's will in my life and my
family. I have decided to stop
'blogging" for only and because of
"ONE" reason ONLY!!!

I honestly believe that Brother Antonio and myself have given you young bloggers, and new comers to the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus enough "History" to be able to "SEE" and 'GET IT AND GET IT GOOD', WHEN THE GBM "TRIES TO "PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES"..

"THEY ARE TOO TRANSPARENT NOW!!!

FACTONLY 1 IS "SO STRESSED"OUT HE CANNOT "THINK STRAIGHT" HE CALLS THE "TRUTH" "SLANDER"!!!!
HE IS SIMPLY "HOPELESS"....

We gave you the History of the AA since Brother LLorente, how much he suffered, and what he "tired to do was over shadowed" by "distorted truth' that finally caused him to have a Heart Attack, dying very prematurely in his life.

Then the continuation of Brother Nava for 35 years without "allowing" elections for so many years.

And all the Presidents of the AA that followed, were extremely "overshadowed" continually "DAY AND NIGHT"
Brother Nava lived to be 106 years old.

So now we have the very same"tug and war" and most of this by the GBM is because of the same "control, machismo, ego, munipulation and patronismo....

And the main "culprit is MONEY1111
THE ALMIGHTY FIGHT FOR "MONEY"...

So what else can I say and tell.

Ive said it all. up to now.

Now just continue to pray for the
"New Fellowship"
Of the New Apostolic Regional Summit"

Which I will be attending, Lord willing. And we will continue to "fellowship" with them and even here in "Rialto."!!!!!

I honestly believe these Bishops forming this Apostolic Summit
have "learned" the truth about "humility" and they "have been given a "great "NEW" opportunity" by the Lord to really work for the "KINGDOM OF GOD"!

AS THE BIBLE STATES. "SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND ALL HIS RIGHTESNESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU."

WHAT A GREAT "OPPORTUNITY GIVEN BY THE LORD" TO "START "ANEW AND RENEWED AND RECONCILED"!!!!!


1.


"SAME GOD, SAME DOCTRINE, SAME FAITH, SAME BATISTISUM"

MAY THE LORD RICHLY BLESS THEM....

I WILL TELL YOU THE "TRUTH" YOU WILL BE "WASTING YOUR TIME AND SPINNING YOU "YEARS," WONDERFUL YEARS....WAITING FOR THE GBM TO "CHANGE".

READ ROMANS CHAPTER 1...
"DIOS LOS HA ENTREGADO A UNA MENTE DEPREVADA...."

MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY...

Before I close I must say.
I thank God for the priviledged of seeing Pastor Sal Mendoza back in full action. He and Pastor Saul Avila are "great organizers"

So happy they selected "Texas" for this "regional Summit" because Texas, has the "Hub" of the Air ports and also the center of the States where the majority of our "Hispanic Brothers" live.

Being able to reach, NY. Illnois, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Georgia, Mississippi , Florida, Colorado, Wis., Michigan, Ohio, Lousiana, and of course California.

I honestly say to Pastor Juan Fortino. who pastors in Florida, originally from Argentina,

he must "leave the Assembly" because "this GBM" will not cease until Pastor Fortino is "out".

Pastor Fortino, is too much of a "threat" for Valverde and Pacheco, and Aguilar....
Same with Pastor Luciano Montes, Pastor Galarza, and Pastor Elias Duarte.

To Camindo Voy, Remembering, Little Eddie, and Solid Rock and of course Brother Josh Bayne, please do not "waste your precious years", trying to "change these GBM.

God already has them in their "DOWNFALL!!!!!

Brother Patrick. Truth for Once, Cali Pete, Cbg., seven +, Caminando Voy, Remembering, Little Eddie, well said on 10-30,and Lehan,Henry Palma, keep fighting for your Grandmother hertiage, and "Scotty" don't hide.

Be brave and Bold as Joseph and Joshua and Gideon were... In JESUS NAME!!!!!

You have it well said.....

Don't let go.. God will see you "THROUGH"...IN THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARET."

MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU AND PRAY FOR ME AND BROTHER ANTONIO...

WE WILL SEE YOU IN "SAN ANTONIO" AND IN "RIALTO."

LORD WILLING.......

"NO TEMAS NI DESMAYES, PORQUE YOU JEHOVA SERE CONTIGO DONDE QUIERA QUE VALLAS."

PALABRA DE DIOS.!!!!!!

THAT IS ALL WE NEED OUR WONDERFUL LORD AND SAVIOR.

GOD BLESS YOU...

THANK GOD FOR YOUR "BOLDNES AND COURAGE..."
"LET GO AND LET GOD' IN JESUS NAME!!!!!!!!

I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH GOD THAT STRENGTHEN ME!!!!!

idea said...

Thought for the day

Just wanted to thank you for all the info that you have given us. Lord willing I will be seeing you at the Apostolic Regional Summit in San Antonio.

WatchOut! said...

Thought for the day

Sure will miss your great wealth of information, your wit and your humor. God bless. I too God willing will be in San Antonio where God's people will be uniting for His glory.

May God richly bless you.

SolidRock said...

Dear Thought for the day...
Thank you for your wealth of knowledge on the AA and for your words of encouragement. Let me say that it has been you who has been "Solid"
May God continue to bless you.

Anonymous said...

Thought for the day

-Your words rang true and will continue to resound in the minds and hearts of every reader that comes across this blog.

Although I don't remember much, I won't forget my donut...I mean you.

-You stood firm and founded, the GB should take a few notes from your blogging and actually learn something. Then again, if they take notes from you they will use them as their own sermon, so scratch that idea.

-It is great that you are taking a stand and moving forward. God knows others cant or wont.

-You have not let a rock cry out in your place.

Is a rock like a donut? If it is...I'm hungry!

-Although I will not be seeing you, as I have decided to remain on the inside and fight the cancer out of the AA, I will remember your words.

-For those that may disagree with me on staying, I wish to be the thorn piercing the side of the AA.(The thorn in the side is biblical, in case the anyone argues) How long it will last, I do not know.

-My rash comedy with points will remain. I'm not funny just happen to be in the AA and have access to this blog.

-God pour out his blessings upon you and your family..thought for the day. Your presence was felt, your words captured our minds, and the GB's depends are full right about now. Red faced babies crying that even on a blog, they don't receive praise but from only1 person, the famous(FicticiousActsOnly1brownnoser)

Unknown said...

To: Thought for the day

Thank you for those very kind words. I hope you will check-in from time to time. Even if you aren't blogging every day, please check in once in a while.

If you are completely gone of this blog, then I will say thank you and God bless you!

You said it real good on this blog, giving some great history.

Let's continue to the fight!!

Factsonly1 said...

Its only a matter of time before all your identities are revealed.

For your information, the mop decided to get involved by offering a special love offering as a reward to the person who can prove the identities of the bloggers.

The higher ups on the gb approved it and will add to the offering.

Your time is ticking away. We have some talented members of the messengers of peace. They are putting their talents to work for the Lord.

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SLJ said...

Sounds like something the DGB would do waste money for a stupid cause, instead of helping out the ones in need like widows etc.
Sounds like them to get someone else to do their dirty work, and break the law by hacking.

But I doubt it:

Yes there is lots of talent in the MOPs. We would have lots more talent if some of them had not been blackballed and driven away because of jealousy by family members of the what u call higher ups.

Anonymous said...

factsonly1

MORE DONUTS!

factsonly1 you said "For your information, the mop decided to get involved by offering a special love offering as a reward to the person who can prove the identities of the bloggers.

The higher ups on the gb approved it and will add to the offering.

Your time is ticking away. We have some talented members of the messengers of peace. They are putting their talents to work for the Lord."

So what you're saying is that the AA, MOP, & GB approved a HACKING CRIME!?!

They can't stop at car scams, home scams and voter fraud, they have to move onto hacking crimes and get everyone involved!

HAHA DONUTS DONUTS!!

Just like they got those bishops involved in the lynching! Won't do the dirty work on their own!

So factsonly1.. you are openly admitting that the AAFCJ, Inc. is currenlty committing a crime on this blog!

DONUT TIME DONUT TIME

Now, the blogmaster and the AAFCJ can be sued! This is substantial evidence that the AAFCJ is committing a crime! Thank you for the insight! Job well done!

SolidRock said...

Hey factsonly1...

Have you reached puberty yet?

Grow up already!

lehan said...

Facts Facts you seriously are one deluded individual. You backed off the Government and went to the MOP every name you mention makes them look even more immature. You think you are helping your cause be trying to place doctorial acts upon the people. You remind me of Hitler enough time has passed maybe you are related to him. You honestly expect me to believe people are wasting their precious time trying to figure out who we are you should be a comedian. Then again you sound like Sanchez saying the best of the best look where his best of the best have gotten him. They have managed to make him look ignorant, incapable of leading an organization, and they have made him the man responsible for completely obliterating the reputation of one organization.

What shall he do next lol.

Freedom of speech brother strictly binds us to being able to speak our opinion as long as it does not present a clear and present danger to any one individual.

Alembic E said...

FACTONLY 1 IS "SO STRESSED"OUT HE CANNOT "THINK STRAIGHT" HE CALLS THE "TRUTH" "SLANDER"!!!!

The way you talk is crazy.

You talk as if you get your info

from TBN. I give you no credit on

comments.

Factsonly1 said...

For more of your information, there are ways of finding out your identities without breaking no laws.

There is a special group of members of the messengers of peace who are gathered in prayer.

Their purpose is to get revelation by means of prayer. Yes, God will be revealing your identities by special means of prayer by a specially formed group, annointed and appointed for a special purpose.

When we have been given the revelation, you will be running for the hills into a hiding place where you will not be able to hide.

If were you, I would voluntarily reveal your identities before our special team of mop prayer warriors reveal you. Only then may you have a chance to be foregiven of your slander sins.

SLJ said...

LOL..... oh boy I needed a good laugh today!
Thanks facts

WatchOut! said...

Hey Factso, so what are you, the gb and the MOPsies gonna do once you do discover our identities?! Y'all gonna MASS SUE us? Surely not Bubba because REMEMBER the gb frowns on lawsuits! They don't frown on ELECTION FRAUD, or CAR SCAMS, or REAL ESTATE SCAMS, but they frown on ANONYMOUS BLOGGING! Now aint that a hoot?!

P.S. I hear lots of rooms are becoming available for Gaylord Convention.

Anonymous said...

factonly1

So you need a loving offering for that?

- I need a donut!

I think you really need to get your stories straight!

Are you paying the MOP for prayer or for hacking?

Pathetic!

Tell a truth or tell a lie, but stick to your story either way!

Donuts are goooooood!

Wait a minute...how much do you charge per hour for prayer?

I can come up with a revelation for you for a nice price!

I have an idea, the AAFCJ should start an AAFCJ ebay program!

BID ON A PRAYER, BID ON A REVELATION! HIGHEST BIDDER WINS!!

SLJ said...

Hey don't give the DGB ideas!

Too Late!

Dial a Prayer.....only with your love offering

WatchOut! said...

Hey factso, what if we just volunteer and say who we are? Will we be able to cash in on the reward money?! Gosh imagine that, there's a price on our heads! Next thing you know the Bounty Hunters will be after us!

Thanks for providing us with such great laughs, factso. You are good for something after all.

trophyman said...

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Just found this info out! While many of you will be enjoying your $90 a night rooms at Gaylord, guess where the MD will be accommodated? Yes the entire floor of Executive suites has been taken up by the HONORABLES! Want to know what they are paying for those rooms? Yes $500 a night AN ENTIRE FLOOR PEOPLE!!! You better bring enough offering money! You don't want to disappoint Adam Lopez. As for trying to get close to the MD boys give it up these floor you will need a security code to get on it! What a joke the AA is! Like I said bring yo money!!!

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lehan said...

OK Fagsonly1, you've convinced me here is my identity. I am your boyfriend! You didn't want me to tell but I was convicted and afraid by your threats. I DON'T WANNA GO TO JAIL. I promise next time we vote at the florazules activity inTexas, I'l vote you in as president. All you need is two votes! Mine and yours.

Yours forever TIMMO!

LL said...

Thought for the Day
(u r leaving )

My God Shower you with his Blessings!


Factwsonly1
you said..

For your information, the mop decided to get involved by offering a special love offering as a reward to the person who can prove the identities of the bloggers.

Well, I said it once & I'll say it again If they find my Identify ....Are they going to send my pastor or will they send Joe the Plumber over to my crib? So be it. (in my area we have over 30 churches)

The gb are good at one thing only and that is Mismanaging Funds" (pros) God will bring them to judgement one day and ask "What did you do with MY money?

Factsonly1 said...

ALERT!

Thank God for the messengers of peace. Only a couple of days that our mop prayer warrior teams have been at it, they have delivered profiles into the identity of bloggers.

Its shocking because some of you are ministers and decons. Its no wonder you go with your phony identities.

Whats worse, is that some of you, don't even tithe. But you do like to proclaim your self rightiouness online.

Some of you even have new cars and houses. But you don't tithe or don't tithe a full 10%.

We'll be visiting your pastors soon. Thank God for the annointed messengers of peace.

Its the young people that rule the church. Its the young people, annointed and appointed for this special time in our apostolic history.

Its the young people that will restore order to the church and bring down the blessings of God. Its the young people, the messengers of peace that will rebuild the wreckage of what the old, middle aged people who lost their annointing and forgot their joy in Christ.

Factsonly1 said...

God Bless the messengers of peace. Here's a sample of our leadership. We have been working with brother Montenegro and a very important member in Washington DC to open doors that have never been opened before in the history of the church, dating back to biblical times. We have a very special announcement that will be made in the celebration this month in Texas. Brother Montenegro has helped us reach the higher echelons in Washington DC to bless the church.




Praise the Lord,

As a friend and brother in Christ I ask you to pray for our upcoming Presidential Elections on Tuesday. I have been praying and asking God to Guide our church to discern and vote according to our biblical principles. Don't be deceived by rhetoric. Look at the facts and the record.

Because Barack Obama is pro-abortion, pro-partial birth abortion; Because Barack Obama is in favor of Same Sex Marriage (although he has recently lied and tried to cover that up, his voting record shows he has voted in its favor and supports it); Because the Liberal Movement in this country wants to eradicate anything that has to do with God in our society and Barack Obama has been rated the most Liberal Senator in the United States Senate with far left socialistic views; Because he is in favor of higher taxes and bigger government; I will NOT vote for Barack Obama. He accommodates his rhetoric to what sounds good.

I am voting for John McCain because his values and moral views are closer to those that I hold as a conservative Christian. I base my views and values on the principles given to us by the Bible: The Word of God. I know John McCain is not perfect. But I know that he is not a man with such a liberal record.

I Can't support or vote for someone who has views that OPPOSE the Word of God: the Bible.

I felt led to share these words with you as my friends. Let us continue to pray.

~Steve B. Montenegro

P.S. I have copied and pasted part of an article that is written by Huntley Brown a Christian Man. Please take some time and at least read this portion...

Why I cant Vote for Obama... by: Huntley Brown

We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.



NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.

There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100% rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.



Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue



The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:



A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)

B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.

C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.

D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.

E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.



God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.



Think about this: You can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.



He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against [God]. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though [God] destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy. I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's Positions.



You can read the article in its entirety at the following link:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp


~Steve Montenegro

trophyman said...

I will give $1000.00 to anyone that records this idiot Montenegro preaching this Sunday if the preaching involves him telling the congregation who to vote for! IDIOTA!!! SANCHESO es lo que es! UN Sancheso! fagsonly I am going to send you some KY Jelly someone is really doing you wrong!

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SolidRock said...

To Steve

Politicians and general board members are from the same mold. Liars, cheaters, they steal from the people who help them get elected.

State the facts Steve. John McCain cheated on his first wife with several women, then started dating his second wife during this time and applied for a marriage license to marry Cindy 10 months before divorcing his first wife.

Nice example to you?

What a chump McCain is.

cali_pete said...

A log-cabin republican vice-president cheney just endorsed McCain. Cheney's daughter is a lesbian, and he supports her very much as well as her partner. Also if you read some history on Martin Luther King, while he was parading that he had a dream, he was also committing adultery at the same time.
If you want to vote for somebody that more in line with the Word of God, vote for Chuck Baldwin, of the constitution party. Check him out on his web page.

trophyman said...

This Steve Montenegro fellow reminds me very much of Gaddi Vasquez. Very loud and proud with a mike in front of a crowd, but when it came down to it no one at work knew he was a christian much less the preacher he professed to be! That my friend is why the AA is so screwed up!! BUNCH OF SANCHESOS!!!

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trophyman said...

Steve, don't emphasize to much on Sodom and Gomorrah, you'll scare the hell out of Fagsonly! LOL!!!

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trophyman said...

A TODOS LOS SANCHESOS:

25 Executive suites for the MD WOW!!! @ $500.00 a pop that's $12,500.00 per night for 5 nights that comes out to $37,500.00. That is one huge offering that A. LO is going to have to rake for the Mesoneros I mean the Misioneros! LOL!!!

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SLJ said...

$12,500.00 per night at 5 nights that comes up to $62,500.00 not $37,500.00.
Either way it shows how they love to spend the Lord's money which hard working people have earned with sweat.
Thats not counting the food and probably massages they will get.
of course also the in room movies that they will order.
Hopefully it won't be porn.

trophyman said...

To the Truth for Once

Thanks for the correction!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

Factsonly1 said...

Praise the Lord,

As a friend and brother in Christ I ask you to pray for our upcoming Presidential Elections on Tuesday. I have been praying and asking God to Guide our church to discern and vote according to our biblical principles. Don't be deceived by rhetoric. Look at the facts and the record.



Because Barack Obama is pro-abortion, pro-partial birth abortion; Because Barack Obama is in favor of Same Sex Marriage (although he has recently lied and tried to cover that up, his voting record shows he has voted in its favor and supports it); Because the Liberal Movement in this country wants to eradicate anything that has to do with God in our society and Barack Obama has been rated the most Liberal Senator in the United States Senate with far left socialistic views; Because he is in favor of higher taxes and bigger government; I will NOT vote for Barack Obama. He accommodates his rhetoric to what sounds good.

I am voting for John McCain because his values and moral views are closer to those that I hold as a conservative Christian. I base my views and values on the principles given to us by the Bible: The Word of God. I know John McCain is not perfect. But I know that he is not a man with such a liberal record.



I Can't support or vote for someone who has views that OPPOSE the Word of God: the Bible.



I felt led to share these words with you as my friends. Let us continue to pray.





~Steve B. Montenegro






P.S. I have copied and pasted part of an article that is written by Huntley Brown a Christian Man. Please take some time and at least read this portion...



Why I cant Vote for Obama... by: Huntley Brown



We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.



NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)



To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.



There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100% rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.



Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue



The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:



A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)

B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.

C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.

D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.

E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.



God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.



Think about this: You can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.



He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against [God]. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though [God] destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy. I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's Positions.



You can read the article in its entirety at the following link:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp


Reverend
Steve Montenegro

Republican
Candidate
Arizona
Legislature

WatchOut! said...

"La India Maria" went to Washington and now all of a sudden factso is all about politics. Isn't this all about the "secular humanism" business you were so against ohhh say a couple of thousand blog posts back?

Is this like in Mexico when the PRI or PARM promise to pave your street or something? What did they promise you, factso? And what are you gonna do if your favorite doesn't win? The nation is watching and TWO VOTES are NOT gonna make a President. I mean, ONLY in the AA can one do that and get away with it.

Factsonly1 said...

Steve Montenegro is a Republican candidate for the office of State Representative for Legislative District 12. He is a Magna Cum Laude graduate of Arizona State University with a B.S. in Political Science. He also holds an Associate of Arts in Theology from Logos Christian University. Presently, Steve works in the Glendale office of U.S. Congressman Trent Franks, where he represents the office in immigration matters and where he handles constituent casework for residents in the district.

Steve also serves as an Assistant Pastor/Youth Pastor at the Surprise Apostolic Assembly. As part of his work within his church, he has filled a number of roles including Music Director and Music Teacher.

Steve has made working with young people a real priority in his life. He spent five years as President of Arizona Messengers of Peace, providing counseling and guidance to youth in need.

He also worked as a Teacher at the Arizona Charter Academy and Superior School, where he focused on excelling students and at-risk high school students. He understands the importance of allowing parents to be involved in their children’s education: The importance of helping parents decide what kind of education they want for their children.

Steve understands and treasures the gift of freedom, and he shares this message in his daily life.

Factsonly1 said...

Steve on the Issues:

SECURE BORDERS:

Whether your primary concern is national security, eliminating wasteful spending, improving education, relieving overcrowding in our jails and hospitals, or fighting crime, the most important thing that we can do is to secure our borders. The cost of illegal immigration to our state is nearly $2 Billion every year and you, the taxpayer, are paying the bill. We must eliminate sanctuary city policies that encourage illegal aliens to come to Arizona, and we must ensure that only those in the country legally are receiving government benefits. By securing the border we are protecting America not only from illegal immigration, but from peril. Securing the border is also a matter of national security. We live in an era where men led by evil ideologies who seek to destroy our way of life. Terrorism is a threat that besieges us, and we must secure the border to ensure terrorists don’t exploit this deficiency. Securing our borders will also help stop the flow of weapons and drugs, as well as child and human trafficking.

LOWER TAXES & SMALLER GOVERNMENT:

In the last 50 years the tax burden on families with children has increased dramatically while taxes on other households have remained fairly constant. History has shown that when nations have taxed their people beyond 30% of their income that government revenue is ultimately reduced and the nation itself experiences significant decline or ultimate economic disaster.

Our State’s budget has grown more than 62% over the last five years It is an incredible sum that is much greater than needed to account for inflation and increases in our population. The wasteful Governor Napolitano and big-spending legislators have forgotten how to say “No!” to the lobbyists and special interests that come to the State with their hands out. Now we face a budget Deficit of nearly $1 Billion and their solution is to raid the Rainy Day Fund and borrow hundreds of millions of dollars, increasing the debt burden for years to come. As always, they will refuse to cut out the waste or postpone programs that are luxury items. Enough is enough. I will stand up to the governor and big spending legislators. We need to refocus on those programs that serve vital interests and get government back to doing those things that only government can and should do. Instead of borrowing, we must cut spending, get rid of wasteful and luxurious programs and balance our budget.

A QUALITY EDUCATION SYSTEM:

The greatest indicator of someone’s future success is the quality of education they have received. As such, we have an obligation to give our children the very best education that we can. Unfortunately, our public school system is failing to do its job and it is failing our children. Whether because of a lack of competition or because of waste in a system that spends less than 60% of every dollar in the classroom, our schools are not getting the job done. It is not the fault of teachers, but rather politicians and their bureaucratic allies who put unions and administrators ahead of students. Unless we fix this broken system, we will not be able to compete in the world and improve our standard of living and quality of life. We need to better educate our students and give merit pay and other incentives to our better teachers.

IMPROVED TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE:

The West Valley continues to grow and much of the growth is happening in our own District 12. The need for improvements in our transportation and infrastructure is imperative for the healthy growth of the state. I will fight to ensure that the West Valley receives its share of transportation and infrastructure dollars. We pay our fair share of the taxes and we deserve equal treatment when it comes to providing for our citizens.

CRIME:

Crime is a problem that affects all of us. We need to recognize that strong families and neighborhoods really do make a difference and we need to rise up and reclaim our streets and our neighborhoods from the criminals who threaten us.

I believe strongly in the “Three Strikes And You’re Out” laws that provide for life imprisonment for individuals convicted of a violent crime a third time. Those convicted for a second offense of criminal rape or child sexual abuse should face life imprisonment, for the sake of society and for the sake of the offender. Studies have consistently shown that those convicted a second time of a sexual crime have more than a 95% chance of continued recidivism.

SECOND AMENDMENT

Our founding fathers left us a clearly defined right in the core of the bill of rights. They ingrained in the Constitution the American citizen’s right to own and bear arms. I strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS:

I am a strong supporter of property rights. I was proud to support the 2006 effort to protect private property rights from abuse of eminent domain laws.

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION:

Whether it is the quality of our air and water, our utility generation, or issues that relate to growth, dust, and pollution, we must find a reasonable balance that protects our environment and our state. Whenever possible, we must design and allow free-market solutions to fix these problems, reserving the heavy hand of government regulation for only the most desperate of situations.

FAMILY AND TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE:

Throughout my life I have learned and understood the importance of the institution of the family. In my experience with young people and my service to many families around the nation I have come to see how a strong family benefits the rest of society. I believe marriage should be protected and defined as between one man and one woman. The decisions we make as a State should be done with the best interests of families and children in mind.

SANCTITY OF LIFE:

I believe and hold a deep conviction that the right to life is an inalienable right endowed to us by our Creator. As a legislator I will be an advocate for the innocent, the elderly and the infirm

Factsonly1 said...

Campaign News:
Friday, September 12th, 2008
Victory in the Primary!

The final results are in for the Primary Election and I am excited to tell you that we have won the primary! We will be joining our current State Representative Jerry Weiers as the Republican nominees in the General Election in November.

I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. This is a victory for all of us and a narrow one at that. We won by approximately 500 votes, and when you compare that to the several thousand doors that we knocked on and the thousands of phone calls that our volunteers made, each of you can know for certain that your contribution made a very real difference. A lot of people said that we had no chance of winning, but together, we have proved them wrong.That said, there is no time to rest. We need to focus on the general election in November and we have already started that hard work. It does us no good to win a primary and lose a general, so I still need your help. The Democrats have targeted our district and they are promising to throw an awful lot of money at this race. As always, they will be able to pay people to make calls and knock on doors and we will be relying on a volunteer force. So any time that you can contribute between now and election day will make a huge difference. Thank you in advance for your help in getting the word out and all you will do. Remember, "Where there is unity, there is always victory!"

~Steve Montenegro
www.MontenegroAZ.com

WatchOut! said...

The AA gb is INFIRM.

WatchOut! said...

LET'S KEEP THE NATION'S POLITICS OUT OF HERE.

We can't even handle our AA internal politics, much less tackle the nation's political problems.

WatchOut! said...

Hey Factso:

Did you tell your "important" friends in Washington about the AA'S "TWO VOTE STRATEGY" for the elections?

Anonymous said...

My donut speaks!

My donut talked to me the other day..

My donut said factsonly1 is about as smart as him...nothing but mush..

My donut also said that this guy factsonly1 is praising, apparently went to far with his last girlfriend...

My donut now understands why that guy is voting for McCain..

My donut is scared because he isn't sure if factsonly1 is going to reveal his identity any time soon. If factsonly1 does reveal his identity, he fears for his life that he will be eaten!

The donut has spoken!

Factsonly1 said...

4023 Comments later, and its me and Rev. Steve Montenegro that are the only people adding anything of substance to this blog.

Brother Steve will soon be in the Arizona State Legeslators. The doors of the higher echelon and high society are being open so we can eradicate secular humanism.

In the Arizona Legeslature, Brother Steve Montenegro will restore pray to Arizona Schools, in the workplace and in governments.

Soon, you will see government mandate standard that secular humanist have removed.

We who are loyal to the santa doctina of the church, will be blessed for our hard work. We will be celebrated not only in Texas, but also Washington DC and now in Arizona.

Brother Steve Montenegro will make sure the Arizona Tax Board launches and inmediate audit of the finanacial dealings of former pastor Art Tafoya.

Under the leadership of the young messengers of peace, the church will restore what the older generations have destroyed.

Church, the restoration of our santa doctrina is coming. Revival is here. The great house cleaning is almost complete. You can depend on the heart and soul of the church, the messengers of peace.

LL said...

Factsonly1
Open doors in DC?
you are slow someone already HAS been in DC preaching ...(da )

Deacons & what? I'am not a deacons .
We don't give our tithes?
Some of us agreed not to give because the gb MISMANAGES FUNDS anyways. Drive a new car? (hahaha) no I don't
WOW! that was fast! Maybe you can get them to start praying for eduardo pacheco to stop running his scams!

The Obama info... it's old I received that through the wire already.

YOU AND THE PASTORS, BISHOPS AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO READ THE BLOG SHOULD MEMORIZE Mr. King's words

Martin Luther King's words, DON'T JUDGE SOMEONE BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN BUT BY THE CONTENT OF C H A R A C T E R.

Does the pacheco,valverde and the rest of the gb CHARACTER?

WatchOut! said...

Factso, you said

"the church will restore what the older generations have destroyed."

You are so right about this. Daniel Sanchez is the OLDER GENERATION.

Tiger said...

Remembering said... PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE LIES YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ! SATAN IS USING PEOPLE TO TRY TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
News Report: From the Big D (Dallas, Texas)

Pastor Arturo Alvarez who pastors the 2nd church of Ft.Worth Texas
turns in his resignation as Pastor of the AA. He called the Bishop Mario Rodriguez to inform him that
he didn't want to be a part of the AA and said "Bishop don't expect my tithes, quotas or anything from our church." The Bishop tries to persuade him and tells him to think it over and would like to meet in his church.
Well, guess what the bishop and his board go there and wait in a room that they were going to meet and waited for a long time for the Pastor and he never showed up. The bishop by then is very upset because he had been stood up. How ironic this sounds just like what Pastor Abel Torres did to the GB. Well, anyway he calls the Pastor to ask what had happened and the pastor replied "you never said the meeting was with me" I thought you just needed to hold a district meeting. The joke was on the
bishop!
October 22, 2008 2:04 PM

To Remembering... I ask that you check your sources completely giving you the benefit of doubt. On the other hand, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. La sangre de Cristo te reprenda satanas! This is a time of great tribulation and the bible warns us that in the later days there will be rumors, lies, etc, etc... We are all "Christians" here and no need to preach to the choir. If this it the type of ill minded lies that everyone posts here, it then gives me and everyone here room to think twice before believing the rest of the "chismes". If you need better information, call me: 817-538-8208. And dont hide behind your anonymity to spit out evil spirits of destruction.

Our Pastor never made the call you claim. The meeting was held with a total different purpose. SATAN TOOK THE TRUTH AND TWISTED THE INFORMATION TO HIS ADVANTAGE. Our pastor will never resign, he was Apostolic before many of you were even born and will die an Apostolic even if he were to be kicked out of the assembly. Our church and our pastor pay their tithes better than any other church in our district, maybe even the state if not further. We are a blessed church, God has placed his grace upon us. We have nothing to fight, nothing to hide, and no one to fear. "Apostolic" is not an organization, it is a way of life for us. Please find better use for your time. Dont expect any follow up. Email me direclty if you need to make contact and I repeat, dont hide behind your anonymity. I have better things to do...

Dios tenga misericordia de nuestra amada Asamblea Apostolica.
Que Dios les bendiga,
Tiger Alvarez
tiger@laredproductions.com
Check us out on Youtube: www.youtube.com/ualared

Remembering said...

To el Tiguere del Norte Alvarez:
You might want to check around with one of your district officials and ask them where they got that information. I personally had a hard time believing it since the church is not in the Assembly's name anyway (smart pastor) according to some of your church members. I suggest you do your homework before you start blaming the devil who had nothing to do with all this information.

God bless!

bro.texmex said...

to remembering,(news from big D )
hey, your info is very false about bro A. Alvarez your informer is a big fat lier.that church did not part from the AA.so before you post false statement check it out first, then you you can post the info.

elias said...

Thought for the day ...
God bless you, a lot of History of our roots, you got,
besides all the extra information,
i found all your comments very informative and accurate;

being 4th generation apostolico,
and YES institutional,
we need our leaders, even thought they r faulty
is not up to us to judge them
and is not up to the AA to judge the leaders leaving the organization
we all can leave in peace, not to live to hurt each other
but being brothers under the same God but different corralitos
may GOD bless us all,
lets work for the kingdom we belong,
all in peace putting behind our great problems and differences
for the love of our great God
is my prayer

God bless the apostolic summit of the new organization;

and the convention in Dallas of the AA god bless us all

OUR GOD MAKE"S US ALL BROTHERS

Remembering said...

The more comments that factsonly1 makes on the blog the more I am convinced that "Factsonly1 Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

Remembering said...

To Bro. Tex-Mex: How true is it that Uylesses ran the sound system at Gaylord last year? Is that a lie? The system was really lousy. I think California could have done a better job. Regarding what is being said maybe you all are afraid it might jeopardize the opportunity for you all to run it again.
How true is it that the pastor is also planning to be in San Antonio?

Factsonly1 said...

I'm glad to see that Elias has some common sense and agrees with me.

You are no body to judge. God gave us our leaders. We have to get behind them over 100% and shut up.

The problem is that you bloggers are secularized by democracy. God has established a kingdom runned by kings he has appointed and annointed for us.

You need to become kingdom minded instead of the earthly minded demcocracy. Votes don't count in kingdoms, only the annointing of the kings.

WatchOut! said...

VOTES DIDN'T COUNT at the 2006 Elections in Long Beach? Except for two of them, of course.

Acts2:38 said...
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enough said...

Wow now your calling them Kings!

What tomorrow it will be gods?

Tx hammer said...

You do a great job at mixing the truth with your lies... "Living in the past" (Remembering) How about we move past that and live in the present? Its awkward coming from you, but you are correct to say the sound was lame in last years convention. I will add to say it was horrible... The accoustics (or lack there of) in the EXPOSITION CENTER did not assist in the least. Of course you ignorance shines on the subject. We will again provide A/V for the convention, or do you really think your ignorant opinion or comment on a blog filled with feces where the bottom feeders dwell will actually have any bearing on real decision regarding the 2008 convention... you are pathetic!!

As for our pastor going to San Antonio... What going on there? Fiesta in the street... Mariachis in the mercado...or do you expect him to show up at the summit convention next to Salvador Rodarte or other sinners of that caliber? Is it me, or did any one else notice the response time of only 2 hours between Tigers post and the response from Remembering California? It reminds me of Brad Paisley's song "Online". Get a real life looser. Ni porque era Domingo... it took us TWO weeks to even hear about the post through other bottom feeders like you who feed off of this kind of thing.

Last but no least, nothing against CA because like every other state it has its cons and pros... but with comments like yours it makes one wonder why TX is being flooded by Californians looking for greener pastures. Actions speak volumes... Heck even the AA is looking to move to TX I hear. Soon no one will remember you, ("remembering" how funny) this filth pool, or your comments. You are so predictable & childish. Did I mention COWARDLY? Bet you'd shut your pie hole if you had to put out your personal information on here before you blogged. Bring on the back paddling, twisted half truths, false accusations, attempts at defamation, foolish comments, and everything else that will only help prove my point... lets here it.

La pura neta!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Everyone, if you have not already done so...

Don't Forget to VOTE tomorrow... regardless of your political persuasion.. even if you are from the LOONEY, scary religous right kind.. lol..

remember.. the DGB has endorsed McSame, that and the Cheney endoresement... shoudl tell yout o run to the hills!! lol

just teasing my looney bretheren ont he right.. regardless... VOTE!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

"Brother Steve Montenegro will make sure the Arizona Tax Board launches and inmediate audit of the finanacial dealings of former pastor Art Tafoya.
"

Haha,, two wars, millions unisured, a failing economy, and this is what this joker is worried about? LOL...

Read the rest of that post... its as evil and mean-spirited as the GOP convention was... lol

Remember, when you run out of ideas.. just run on hate, fear, and lies.. (2008 GOP handbook lol)

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Wait a minute.. that kind of sounds like the DGB 2006-2008 handbook too..

fear, hate, lies, and outcasting..

and the last straw...

GOP = The elephant

DGB annd most Bishops = As fat as elephants.. LOL

Just teasing... having a little fun since I've been away in England, Germany, Africa, and SE Asia the past few weeks...

lehan said...

Texan Hammer. I am sorry to say but that is what all the higher ups have said and heard of the AA. So if you want to get mad. Call them up because like everything else in this world it all trickles down hill.

Tx hammer said...

Lehan... I dont understand what you are trying to say or where you are coming from. BTW, no one is mad here. There is a big difference between being mad and making a point with energy when needed.

Matter of fact, I give props to "Living in the past" for the tigere del norte comment... I find if humorous! LOL, hilarious actually!! I will have to tease Tiger on that one...

To further address all the BS that moves through these "underground" sewage tunnels, I will add that we are neither for or against either side here. We are not blind nor do we apply the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil theory... We see the injustice, like we see the scrambling to make a new organization and thus they have allowed fallen pastors, unbiblical doctrine, and worldly ideas to infiltrate the summit...

I have seen first hand how ministers have divided churches including ours more than once, everytime claiming to be going in a NEW direction... Where does it end? It has never failed to date. Inquire for yourselves... Jaime Sanchez, J.L. Ramirez, Mariano Martinez, and a few others where are they now? Where are their children? What happend to the people they took? What of the Apostolic doctrine, discipline, and holyness? There was no accountability, and it all fell apart. I dont mean any harm or hard feelings to the folks or family of the people I mention, but its the point I am trying to make.

We just patiently awaiting in God that the storm settles. Meanwhile, we are self sufficient through the Lords grace, and moving forward doing Gods will in the "Apostolic" fashion trying to always stay in the TRUTH while applying it to our daily lives.

God Bless you all, and may the will of God be done.

accion said...

Tx hammer


"they have allowed fallen pastors, unbiblical doctrine, and worldly ideas to infiltrate the summit... "


Can you be more specific?

Remembering said...

Tx Hammer: Now cowboy, don't you get so defensive on me! If everything that's coming out of your backyard is not true then don't worry about it. I sense some animosity through your comments and also that you lack some type of education too!!
Happy Trails to you!!

Tx hammer said...

I knew you'd try and rise to the ocassion, but I expected more out of that little brain of yours. LOL!!

hno.dice said...

TO REMEMBERING:to your surprise,Tiger rejected to do the sound bro. he bid on it way high so he wouldn't get it.the sound wasn't lousy,that shows you don't know much about doing sound bro,that exhibit hall is not made for music the main service there were no complaints. oh by the way they called back to do the sound BRO.

Remembering said...

Lehan: Have you gone to vote for our next president? I am still undecided to who my choice will be just like I am undecided if I will attend Gaylord or San Antonio. I hear they have some great deals on flights from here to Texas.

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

It is now November 4th...

Please do your civic duty, and go cast your vote.

Then later this same month of November, do your other civic duty and cast the DGB bums out... lol

Tx hammer said...

To Accion and everyone who reads this blog... I wish to retract something I wrote yesterday.

"they have allowed fallen pastors, unbiblical doctrine, and worldly ideas to infiltrate the summit... "

My comment was partially based on "hear say", thus I must retract. The only part I am certain of, is the fallen pastors. This is much bigger than the Assembly, la "Iglesia" of Mexico has also had fall out due to totally different issues more in the line of doctrine. (encuentros, just to name one issue) No details because it can get extensive... That group is supposed to be part of the summit soon or at least have very strong ties. In the list of 35 pastors of the mexican group there are 2 who where accused of fornication before they were removed of their duties and kicked out of the "iglesia".

Salvador Rodarte, is the issue in the Summit. He was accused of that very same issue. I mention accountability in my post. One rotten apple spoils the batch...

Now I have a few questions I wish someone with insight can answer for me.

1) Can someone explain "Women in ministry"

2) Can someone bring light to the rumors of the acceptance of the wedding ring, and the loosening of similar "minor", "God cares about whats inside" issues in the Summit.

Maybe you can reel me in...

sola dei gloria said...

With 66 great books in the bible. Why are we “hung up” on wedding rings?

I was waiting for this.

The bible says, “I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.” (Romans 14:14).Objects, places (i.e. Disneyland) are not unclean. People are “unclean”.

If the wedding band is unclean to you, don’t wear it.

The same applies to holidays.
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. (Romans 14:5-7)

Yes Apostolicos, that even includes Halloween.

It is no wonder we have so many legalists in church.

Unknown said...

To Tx and you bloggers
There is no such a thing as a “Women Ministry” in the Bible. There have been women used to minister when and where the Lord saw fit. But as far as there being a recognized, accepted, and acknowledged “Women Ministry” there already is one. And as far as the wedding ring, the rejection of the use of the veil, and many other rebellious acts of men, it all stems from the so-called “men of God” bending under the pressure of the democratic society and cultural changes they cannot stand against because of their weak spiritual spines. KEEP IT REAL…

Voice from the Bay said...

man...you guys are still on this??

When are you all going to just drop it? I mean c'mon, get a life already.

sola dei gloria said...

Here's another one.

Therefore if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

Colossians 2:20-22 (New King James Version)

Someone please tell me you still believe doctrine is important!

Anonymous said...

When it all is said and done, rings,veils,cutting of hair, pants and make up etc....

Are NOT heaven and hell issues.

So why are so many Apostolics hung up on this ?

Because NAVA and Llorente taught this ?

A few mens interpretation of a passage of scripture or in some case a mis interpretation now supercedes all else ?

Tradition is all that it is and a misunderstanding of a portion of scripture is now gospel truth and if you do not follow it your going to hell.

Here is a true revolutionary thaught.

How about YOU develop a deep and true relationship with God and his Word.

How about you seek thru the scriptures yourself and ask God for guidance.

I am Oneness Pentecostal and hold true to the Apostolic teachings but have found thruought my life that most super legalistic people cannot even defend our own doctrine properly.

They parrot what they have been taught but do not seek an answer for themselves.

Do you all seriously think that the Bible talks against women wearing pants and that they must never cut their hair or wear wedding bands ?

Unknown said...

To Sola
Because people cannot live without doctrine (regulations). That's why the Apostles created new standards based on the teachings of "prophets" and even their own as they were enlightened by the Holy Spirit. 'Without a vision (knowledge-or the how to's) the people perish".

sola dei gloria said...

Why are some of you “hung up” on the wedding ring and many other issues? Because you did not die with Christ.

All you did is get “wet” when you were baptized.

sola dei gloria said...

Thank you santoabel.

Now we know which ones.

Tx hammer said...

And I was accused of animosity...

So what you are saying is "lets leave it every persons discretion"? If you open that door, Where do you put an end to it?

Lets not get "hung up" on piece of scripture taken out of context.

What of 1st Peter 3:3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes.

Or:

1 Timothy 2:9 I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,

I think its the bible leaves nothing to chance. It's very clear.

sola dei gloria said...

Tx hammer

Your scriptures are excellent.

Scripture must drive the conviction (holiness)

Man’s regulation should not (legalism)

sola dei gloria said...

Your word I have hidden in my heart,
That I might not sin against You.

Psalm 119:11

Tx hammer said...

I would still like to know how the new organization is proceeding on the 2 questions I ask.

Like I mention earlier, I only want to be in the truth. There is a fork in the road ahead, and I'd like to know whats past the hill on either road.

sola dei gloria said...

That's easy!

Jesus said,“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 14:6

Anything outside of this and you're just following men.

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texans for jesus said...

TX HAMMER:

You sure do have a BIG mouth for that BIG body of yours! I know who you are. And boy, you sure do know the latest gossip! Let God deal with the short-comings of man. You are not the judge, thank God Almighty!
Also, Let's pray you don't bring your devilish spirit to convention as you once again run the sound.

Yeah, I said it big boy.
Now shut your pie hole (as you like to say to others- how rude!)and get offline.

Tx hammer said...

Wrong!! but close. Try again. I can speak my mind though. Is'nt that what this place is about?

Try again. You have 2 more shots before you will told to go offline...

Tx hammer said...

Now I think I am asking legitimate questions. Can someone give a straight answer?

cali_pete said...

You decide
Bendijo entonces Esdras a Jehova, Dios Grande. Y todo el pueblo respondio, Amen, Amen! alzando sus manos; y humillaronse, y adoraron a Jehova inclinados a tierra. Y Jesua, y Bani;, y Serebias, Jamin, Accub, Sabethai, Odias, Massias, Celita, Aarias, Jozabed, Hanan, Pelaia, Levitas, hacian entender al pueblo la ley: y el pueblo estaba en su lugar. Y leian en el libro de la ley de Dios claramente, y ponian el sentido, de modo que entendiesen la lectura.

Unfortunetly if it was left up to us individually to to bring forth our convictions, we would be a body with out a head. I don't see anything wrong with men or women dressing according to their gender.
Unfortunetly we are living in a world of liberalism especially since the 60's and the womens lib movement, where I'll do and go as I want is the norm.

Preach and teach holiness and you'll be chased out of town in a hurry.

sola dei gloria said...

Conviction is a mental faculty. It is not something tangible.

What the gospel is suppose to do is move beliefs that are childish and compulsive into conviction.

Remember, we are condemned for the wrong beliefs not the wrong behavior.

This is where the Apostolic Assembly fails. They preach a "behavior" (legalism) rather than a belief.

With the right beliefs, the right behavior necessarily follows.

Unknown said...

TX Hammer:

Let me first say I am not an ambassador for the Reformed Apostolic Organization. Rather just a participant in its conferences, and a supporter of what they have done. So the answers I give will be what I gleaned from the Summit in Denver.

1) Women in Ministry - Heres the basic idea. God never intended for only men to minister to the body. Rather the male dominated society of Biblical times, as well as the times of King James discriminated against women in the teachings it offered. In the KJV many scriptures were "altered" from its original context to fit male domination. There are also countless scriptures referring to women ministering to the body (Forgive me, but I do not have my Bible with me now, so references will need to be sought after).

2)Rings, Veils, and other Apostolic Preferences - The line that echoes in my head when speaking of these topics came from Pastor Abel Torres "We will not legislate holiness". Many of our Apostolic/Pentecostal preferences are all based around one scripture and then often taken out of context. Such as the one you alluded to earlier. The history of the wedding ring as we all know is Catholic. But so many other things we believe in and use are also pagan. Such as Brides Maids and Groomsmen, which were there to confuse bad spirits in hopes these demons would latch on to the other person and not the couple to be married by pagans in the 4th and 5th century. But thats not the point. Every scripture dealing with "costly array" was offered in a manner to keep the Jews from reverting back to idolatry. Each time the Jews found themselves with wealth they turned it to idolatry and turned from God. This was the warning. Plus there is the example of "expenseive." What is expensive to you? $100, $500, $1,000,000? How about the $1000 suits our ministers wear? The $2000 watches they put on? The $50 hair sticks our ladies wear? The countless amount of money our ladies spend on clothes is probably astounding. But whose to say what is expensive. This leads to God's divine love in allowing us to chose. We get to chose what is too much for us. With his guidance of course.

Overall, here is what I am getting at. Each and every one of us will be held accountable for what we believe. I would prefer we stick to what we were commended to do by Paul. "Preach Jesus and him crucified". And only that. Let God speak to you on an individual basis . If your heart is true then the life you lead will be holy. If it isn't true the life you lead will be a lie. Thats why so many Apostolic/Pentecostals find themselves deep in sin. We think since we do all our rituals (veil, no makeup, no cutting of the hair, no shorts, no tv, no movies, speak in tongues, dance and shout, preach with a growl, take huge offerings, give huge amounts, etc etc etc) we are saved. But God is specific about salvation, and if these things are done without a sincere heart, they are for not.

Churches within the Reformed Apostolic Organization will be left to answer all these questions on their own. Just as it is expected for you to answer them on your own, and me on my own. Not just taking the word of an insufficient man to heart. "Study to show THYSELF approved..."

Tx hammer said...

Rome: is that you J Romo? If it is, I just wanted to say "Hi". Have not seen you in a while.

I guess somebody from Rodartes church is hurt... "Texans for Jesus"

Hey no hard feelings but no one is "above the law", not even me. There is due process for repent sinners. I believe in Gods grace and only he can judge at the end of the day... you are right.

I hate to ask for the 3rd time, but I have my own convictions. My questions are specificaly for the new organization. Is there an answer to that yet? Or maybe it hasnt been defined... I shall wait and see.

Tx hammer said...

Thank you Josh.

LL said...

TxHammer,

The aa contradicts itself about the women unable to stand behind the pulpit.

Have you heard Vonnie give a conference?
The woman is PREACHING!
Or could it be because she's related to Adam L.?
So drop it, the aa can't make up t/mind.

Ring? Woman will bring it to another level. They w/start w/a $100.00 ring t/they will see the sis next to them & will want a $1,000 one.............(vanity)

Who will lose? THE MEN.
They(pobresitos) w/probably will not even know they are PAYING for the ring.

Little Eddie said...

Its all about her being related to the Great Adam L

Tx hammer said...

Well, I think my questions have been answered. This has been a learning experience for me, (not all bad) but I would rather stay away.

Folks on either side of the line, I wish everyone well.

GB5, I apologize for the rude comment. I originally thought it was too funny to let go... I shouldnt have put it out though. Chill on the name calling though... you came out shooting with both guns! The comment will be deleted. :-)

Hasta la vista & God Bless!!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

I'll be the first to admit, I left the AA because of the legalistic mind-set.

We don't feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, or visit the lonely, but we'll call a general prayer meeting if some poor girl cut her hair, or heaven forbid wore pants to school.. lol


at the ned of the day, if a ring offends you, dont wear it, if a woman offends you, walk out, but don't outcast those who don't see it as you do. we're suppose to be here trying to go out and reach the lost. the AA has been lost and too busy at the front door of the church worried about the the uniform (what you are wearing, how you look, etc) that it never mobilized itself to walk out the door and reach our neighborhoods and simply forgot about the world waiting outside its walls.

who builds up the kingdom more, a young lady wearing jeans with her arms consoling a lost soul, and bringing the gospel to that person, or a cold/lukewarm woman with a long skirt a veil to her waist who never speaks to people in need?

I use these two extremes to make the point, its who you reach, not what you are wearing.

Unknown said...

Chairman Mao:

That is my exact sentiment. The Apostolic church is known for its legalistic , self righteous, heavy handedness. Not its anointing. Not its super natural favor, not for miracles, not reaching the lost, not feeding sheep, not mending brokenness, not feeding the poor.

This is the root of the problem. We look inward, not outward.

Little Eddie said...

Hey it can't be that BAD:
Just because one guy scammed thousands of dollars from poor hermanos from a car scam.
Another took a home from an elderly couple and left him on the street.
Another one lets his daughter go wild and cheat on her husband, then its all ok and she can song on the choir and record anionted music.
Another one sells all his material from other preachers and passes it out as his own.
32 or 37 Game tickets for the Cowboys game on Nov. the 27 are delivered to the most honorable board headquarters.

ETC ETC ETC

Mind you this are God's ANIONTED. They only have are best interest at heart.
We don't need all the money, it would corrupt us. Thats why I send it all in.

The great President prays for guidence from up above he says to what we have intrusted to him.

I mean what better person to hold your money then the ANIONTED ONE Edward Pacheco

WatchOut! said...

Josh Bayne

You shouldn't say "The Apostolic church is known for its legalistic , self righteous, heavy handedness. Not its anointing. Not its super natural favor, not for miracles, not reaching the lost, not feeding sheep, not mending brokenness, not feeding the poor."

Maybe some Apostolics you know but to generalize is absurd, brother. I know that our church rises to the occasion EACH AND EVERY time there is a need within our church, families, friends and yes the community. I'm sure there are a plenty of churches that do the same. Just because our people in high places keep a tight lid on the cookie jars (Flor Azul jar, Nava Fdn. jar, Social Assistance jar) doesn't mean ALL Apostolics are tight-fisted when there are needs. Lots of churches visit the prisons, have services in the parks, etc.

And if not, I can vouch for the Midland, Texas churches doing all of the above.

Unknown said...

Caminando:

You are right. There are many churches that each and every day do what the Lord truly called us to do. However, they are in the minority.

And please dont get me wrong, its not just Apostolics in name, but Pentecostals as well (I wrap us up into one box to be honest). The UPCI, PAW, ALJC, Iglesia, all of us. And also let me say, I am many times guilty of looking inward and not outward.

I commend those of us who are doing he Lords work, and not worrying about what it may look like. However, once again, these ministries are in the minority.

Anonymous said...

Caminando Voy,

I agree with josh Bayne

I wish all the Assembly was the way you say it is.

That would be awesome !

But unfortunately that is not the case.

Most Apos care more about who is popular and what you are wearing or if you are adhering to the NAVA/LLORENTE man made doctrines more than charity and showing Christs love.

And you cant tell me im wrong because I have lived it and I am a third Generation Apo.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think we have a million and one activities and it is always the same already saved apos.

Where are the souls ?

When do we reach out to the community ?

When when when ??????

Unknown said...

Rome:

Ill be honest with you. One Friday we had a Trunk or Treat to offer a wholesome alternative to our children going out and trick or treating. We had so much candy. It was amazing. But was it publicized to our neighborhood? Did we even change the marque on the sign in front to advertise our event to our community? Nope!!! I was sickened by it to be honest. All I could think about was all those lost people who might have came and got to know someone. Someone who coulda made a difference int heir life!!! But we were so inward we couldnt see an obvious need in front of us.

My honest prayer is we quit looking at eachother... cuz to be honest I am tired of you! (no offense, take it how its meant) And we start looking at those around us. Our co-workers, lost relatives, friends, school mates. Anyone needing the love of Christ, and thats everyone. People are leaping off a cliff and we are up on the mountain praying with eachother and not for the lost.

cali_pete said...

rome

up to the 60's and 70's it was all about souls. Fasting, prayer vigils and alter calls was emphasized. Now its money, money, money, bigger salaries, and well you get the drift.

Anonymous said...

A big AMEN to that my brother !

Just give it time and someone will post on here something like this.

" if you dont like the aa then just leave "

Anonymous said...

Cali Pete.

I believe that 100%

I was little in the late 70's and early 80's

But one thing I remember is that God would move powerfully in every service and it was not unusual to see signs and wonders.

And my parents and aunts and uncles were all about soul winning.

We have become too selfish and uncaring about souls.

And we are also too comfortable to pay the price of consecration in order to see a move of God.

We dont want to leave our lukewarm, good enough half in half out state.

cali_pete said...

Rome

Since legalism is slowly falling apart in our churches, know we have more greed and worldliness in our churches. But then again most of this new generation probably wouldn't know what worldliness is.

quin322 said...

1 Corintios 11:6
Porque si la mujer no se cubre, que se corte también el cabello; y si le es vergonzoso a la mujer cortarse el cabello o raparse, que se cubra.

1 Timoteo 2:9
Asimismo que las mujeres se atavíen de ropa decorosa, con pudor y modestia; no con peinado ostentoso, ni oro, ni perlas, ni vestidos costosos,

1 Pedro 3:3
Vuestro atavío no sea el externo de peinados ostentosos, de adornos de oro o de vestidos lujosos,

quin322 said...

What has happened to the AA does not give us the right to question doctrine, only the intentions and conduct of people.

quin322 said...

1 Timoteo 2:12
Porque no permito a la mujer enseñar, ni ejercer dominio sobre el hombre, sino estar en silencio.

Little Eddie said...

EDWARD PACHECO FOR PRESIDENT IN 2010

quin322 said...

Hebreos 12:10
Y aquéllos, ciertamente por pocos días nos disciplinaban como a ellos les parecía, pero éste para lo que nos es provechoso, para que participemos de su santidad.

Anonymous said...

can you speak in the ingles por favor

quin322 said...

Lo peor de esta situacion es que para muchos les va dar una escusa para que hagan lo que quieran. Pero hay que acordarnos que hicimos un voto con Dios no con el Hombre. Cuando estemos delante de El, que escusa nos va a valer?

cali_pete said...

Its amazing how here on this earth we keep so many laws that we don't like because if we break them we'll dance to their music. We are so complying on keeping all these legal laws written by men, but wouldn't you believe, we can't keep Gods commandments because for some reason they are legalistic.

WatchOut! said...

quin322

Could you quote some bible verses geared toward men's sanctity and what God wants from them. You already posted all the ones for women. Just asking for a little fairness here.

WatchOut! said...

I sure miss Thought for the day's comments.

LL said...

Little Eddie

G O D is G R E A T!


The aa has become

Dineroritis
Vanaritis
Cororitis
Popularitis

quin322 said...

Romanos 1:18
Porque la ira de Dios se revela desde el cielo contra toda impiedad e injusticia de los hombres que detienen con injusticia la verdad;

Romanos 2:1
Por lo cual eres inexcusable, oh hombre, quienquiera que seas tú que juzgas; pues en lo que juzgas a otro, te condenas a ti mismo; porque tú que juzgas haces lo mismo.

1 Corintios 11:11
Pero en el Señor, ni el varón es sin la mujer, ni la mujer sin el varón;

Gálatas 3:28
Ya no hay judío ni griego; no hay esclavo ni libre; no hay varón ni mujer; porque todos vosotros sois uno en Cristo Jesús.

What-Ever!! said...

As Progressive Revelation begins to be given to God's people, it is evident that change will come. As change comes, we as human beings tend to become uncomfortable and fight change. We fight change maybe because it will break us from our conformism, patterns, paradigms, cultures and sub-cultures.

As change happens especially in the religious circles, we'll spiritualize it by blaming satan, the flesh or "worldliness." But change has always come throughout the generations and the church is still here.

Years ago there were variables that for that generation were absolutes. Things that were called sin now even that generation shakes their head at those beliefs.
Several examples that were sin; wearing deodorant, hairspay, hair gel, fragranced lotions, shaving legs, armpits, plucking eyebrows, open toe shoes, not wearing nylons, colored shirts oter than white, red dresses and many others that now we laugh at. Because now we see unatural colored hair, flip-flops and other things that were sin in one generation but now is acceptable. Why, beause we had made absolute of variables, but now we understand what is and what isn't absolutes.

Why don't we united in what we agree and is absolute instead of dividing over what we don't agree and are variables.

God Bless You and let The Kingdom Rise!

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

what a revolutionary thought...

how bout simply being there as a beacon of assitance for the community?

Serving for the sake of serving... with no strings, and not asking fo naything in return?

Instead we give a homeless a cookie, and expect him to sit in our pew and hound the ministros on him.. LOL, and then wonder why they "reject" the church.. lol

why can't we just serve, to simply serve and be there for our community...

and asking for nothing, absolutely NOTHING in return...

that in itself.. would revolutionivze the mindset of our congregations, and in time, our chruches would be bursting at the seams...

instead.. our congregations are stangant and dead, only worried of themselves.. and our pastors lunging at the wallets of the visitors, asking for funds, rather than simply trying to serve..

what a shame on us collectivley.

enough with the vigils, fastings and alter calls... you are missing the point entirely...

in them, you are having these inorder to have other people commit to you (or the church), rather than commiting ourselves (the church) to being comitted to serve our communit...

why is that so hard to understand?

quin322 said...

The level of ignorance is amazing. So let us give them food, clothing, shelter, and money. Forget the soul, that’s not our job.

Luke 24:46-48
46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48And ye are witnesses of these things.

SLJ said...

A beacon?

I think the dgb left out the E and thought it was bacon

quin322 said...

The great commission was given to the church, and it is the one thing we don’t do. We have gotten involved in all the community stuff to be like all the other denominations. In doing so, we have lost our soul, and our purpose. The main reason that all this has happened in the AA is because we took our easy off the prize and put them in everything and anything but God.

sola dei gloria said...

In the Apostolic Assembly, Jesus is the “stepping” stone not the “cornerstone”.

quin322 said...

It's time we change this!

sola dei gloria said...

The intellectual man (or woman. OK LL) has no where to go in the Assembly. They only get so far when they realize that our organization is ‘sense’ based. Many have advanced degrees, but when Sunday comes around, we check in our brains to meet the sub-standard academic level of most AA members. It is no wonder many Apostolics choose politics, it is an avenue for critical thinking.

SLJ said...

And if they do have advanced degrees they are blackballed because of jealously. Like someone said on this blog about an educated hermana that was not given the chance to say any thing at a women's conference because what would Rachel Say after that?
"Naranjas!!!!"

Unknown said...

What do Steve Montenegro, Gaddi Vasquez and Barak Obama have in common?

They all started their careers as "Community Organizers".

What-Ever!! said...

As Progressive Revelation begins to be given to God's people, it is evident that change will come. As change comes, we as human beings tend to become uncomfortable and fight change. We fight change maybe because it will break us from our conformism, patterns, paradigms, cultures and sub-cultures.

As change happens especially in the religious circles, we'll spiritualize it by blaming satan, the flesh or "worldliness." But change has always come throughout the generations and the church is still here.

Years ago there were variables that for that generation were absolutes. Things that were called sin now even that generation shakes their head at those beliefs.
Several examples that were sin; wearing deodorant, hairspay, hair gel, fragranced lotions, shaving legs, armpits, plucking eyebrows, open toe shoes, not wearing nylons, colored shirts oter than white, red dresses and many others that now we laugh at. Because now we see unatural colored hair, flip-flops and other things that were sin in one generation but now is acceptable. Why, beause we had made absolute of variables, but now we understand what is and what isn't absolutes.

Why don't we united in what we agree and is absolute instead of dividing over what we don't agree and are variables.

God Bless You and let The Kingdom Rise!

rodgarciajr said...

November 3, 2008

Christian Center of National City/Apostolic Assembly
ATTN: Pastor Misael Zaragoza
From: Rod Garcia Jr.
RE: Voluntary Relinquishment of Apostolic Assembly Ministerial License
125 Palm Ave
National City, CA, 91950

Greetings in the Name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ:

Pastor Zaragoza,

After long, thoughtful, and prayerful consideration I respectfully submit this letter to you as a personal decision to relinquish my ministerial license (#15562/Year: 2008) as a minister of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus. I want to express my appreciation for your support and encouragement of the Evangelistic calling that God has placed upon my life. I would also like to thank Christian Center Staff and fellowship for the warm and welcoming spirit they have always exhibited towards this servant.

As you are fully aware the legacy of “Apostolic roots” in my family can be traced back three generations—specifically, to the early 1930’s. My grandfather, namely Benigno Estrada (whom you knew well), was a pioneer of the Apostolic Assembly and of La Iglesia Apostolica de Mexico. Obviously, I take great pride in being Apostolic but at the same time I am humbled to have inherited such a unique faith. As I reflect upon my ministry and involvement as a member of the Apostolic Assembly I am providing the following brief summary for the record—the Lord gracefully allowed us to serve in the following capacities within the Messengers of Peace/National Youth Department:

• National Bible Quiz Championship Team/Messengers of Peace, Phoenix, Arizona (1974)
• Local Youth President/San Ysidro, CA (1976)
• Sector 1 Youth President/So CA (1976-1977)
• District Youth President/So CA (1977-1980)
• National Bible Quiz Coordinator/Appointed by Gaddi Vasquez (1980-1982)
• National Youth Secretary (1982-1984)
• National Youth President/two terms (1984-1986; 1986-1988).

Additionally, at the present time I continue to minister to youth and the body of Christ as called upon. I submit the content of this paragraph as a brief synopsis of this servant’s ministerial background and participation.

Pastor Zaragoza, it is with deep concern that I voluntarily surrender my ministerial license. For the past several months I have prayerfully pondered every possible thought leading up to this decision. In short, I must confess that I am strongly opposed to the manner in which Bishop Baldemar Rodriguez, Bishop Daniel Solomon, Bishop Abel Torres, and Pastor Saul Avila were dealt with and relieved of their duties as clerics of the Apostolic Assembly—this is the primary reason I am relinquishing my Apostolic Assembly ministerial license. I could provide you with numerous arguments in support of my decision, but I prefer not to belabor the point.

Pastor Zaragoza, I want to personally thank you for your time and consideration regarding this matter. Also, I want to mention that I am always available at your convenience in serving the body of Christ.

God Bless,


Rod Garcia JR


Attachment: Ministerial License

LocoValdez said...

To Brother Rod,

I have always admired your devotion and zeal for God, I even have a few black/white photo's of you preaching in the Merced area back in the early 80's. Our prayers will be with you and yours..
God Bless

rodgarciajr said...

Brother John,

Thank you for your prayers and words of encouragement as we continue to do the Lord's work. Yours in His service, Rod Garcia JR

InglesConBarreras said...

rodgarciajr:
what is your purpose of posting your resignation from AA?

InglesConBarreras said...
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InglesConBarreras said...

I would have respected you more about your decision to leave the AA, had you not made it public and letting the chips fall where they may.

Writing your personal letter to Zaragoza is to be commended and
I admire you for leaving with class, but I just wonder why you made it public info?

My thoughts...

wrappedupinJesus said...

You guys all need to be positive and stop all your negative bashing. Sure alot of us are upset with LB 2006. I'm waiting for the Apostolc Summit brethern to come to CA. I will change membership, but till then I will serve the Lord where I'm at. We all know what took place, it's old already. If you want out of the AA do it. Make sure you dont lose your soul in the process.

Anyone that has done wrong will have to answer to the Lord. We all have made mistakes. God Bless my brethern in the AA. God Bless my brethern in the new Apostolic leadership.

You folks who are doggin Bro. Tafoya dont know the full story. It's not even worth informing you. He should be commended, as was said of him at the Apostolic Summit'

I look at this blog about every 2 months, if that much just to see if you folks turn from negative talk, lighten up, praise Jesus more you'll feel better.

I bet you can find something better to do. Jesus be the Lord of All.

I praise and worship you Jesus. Thank You because you never let us down, thank You for showing me its only You we can trust, man fails. My Jesus He never fails.....!

lehan said...

wrappedupinJesus said, "You folks who are doggin Bro. Tafoya dont know the full story. It's not even worth informing you. He should be commended, as was said of him at the Apostolic Summit."

You must be another ignorant dumb ..ss if you dn't know the history of this man in Arizona! And who ever said "He should be commended, as was said of him at the Apostolic Summit." is also a dumb .ss.

Just talk to ANYBODY in Arizona as I have, and they will tell you how much of a rat, thief, and hipocrite this man is, including ALL his family.

DUMB ..SS WAKE UP!

quin322 said...

Cdg, you seem to be very angry, does God still rein in your heart? I’m not trying to be sarcastic, but what other men do; they will pay for before God. We are not judges or juries to condemn or call anyone washed by the blood of Christ names. It saddens me that if your attitude is going to be the one of the new cooperation, its demise will be faster that the AA’s. If the love and Pease of God reins in us let our action proclaim it.

Factsonly1 said...

A new prophet is coming out of Arizona that will lead the apostolic church to newer and higher levels. The lord has opened new doors for his church to go through and his prophet, Rev. Steve Montenegro will take the church to higher levels.

Brother Steve Montenegro, who was duly elected to the messengers of peace, has been blessed being elected to the Arizona legislature.

The messengers of peace will return the apostolic church to its standards.

God bless brother Steve Montenegro. God will celebrate us this months. God will lift us up in front of the congregation of the faithful, the loyal, the unstained, the apostolic church.

quin322 said...

1 Samuel 26:11
The LORD forbid that I should stretch forth mine hand against the LORD's anointed: but, I pray thee, take thou now the spear that is at his bolster, and the cruse of water, and let us go.

quin322 said...

What prophet? Don’t we have the Bible? Isn’t that enough? I can understand that we need a leader, which would have the heart of Christ, but a prophet?

lehan said...

Regarding the Charles Dickens letter written by president Sanchez I know who Jesus is and I know who Apostole Paul and I know the plaintiffs but who the heck is Charles Dickens and what does he have to do anything with the house of God?

lehan said...

Facts only everyone knows about Steve he has told many of us. It is a great thin for him to have accomplished something so great.
Please Please do me a favor and stop doing what the AA does try to make everyone else accomplishment their own.

Steve is a good guy and you need to stop smearing his name. And making him look so foolish.

I know that God has Great things for Steve not only here on this first entrance into Government but many more that are still yet to come.

So please do not act as though this info has not been released. Steve did exactly what the word of God said. He worked hard and did his best and God did the rest.

As for you facts. Please do not tarnish steve because of your ignorance.

apostolicassembly.info said...

New letters posted:

Rod Garcia Jr.

AA_Charles_Dickens_Letter

Thoughts on Charles Dickens Letter

SLJ said...

Charles Dickens was a writer. Very good one. All his work is fiction. Like one of his great books. "A Christmas Carol."
Whats it got to do with the church?
Its means that Sanchez still believes in the tooth fairy.

wrappedupinJesus:
Very well written; I don't know anything about Tafoya, but we just have to leave the AA behind and go on.

Instead of quoting Dickens he should have quoted the Bible. That our leaders should watch over the flock, not tell them to get the flock out;

quin322 said...

It’s so shameful how they are prostituting the church, selling to the highest bidder. Using it to bring in money toe the pockets of men, and those have no fear of God.

quin322 said...

Truly speaking, the tithes aren’t even biblical. You will never see it in the New Testament. What is mentioned is the way the early church gave, and gave freely. With gratitude in the heart for what God had done for them. Paul says it clearly:

2 Corinthians 9:7
every man according as he purposed in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver.

twovote said...

The "AA Charles Dickens Letter" shows a list of brown nosers that are contibuting to the 'con' job of the AA DGB.

It looks like they've all learned from Victor Prado how to 'seed' an offering. He used to give a check to start the offering but forget to sign it. Sometimes he gave cash and asked for his money back after the offering was collected.

The givers include:

Sam Valverde
Abel Aguilar
Daniel Sanchez

Eddie Pacheco
Victor Prado
Ismael Martin del Campo
Leo Maffey

The only DGB member not listed is Art Espinosa. Maybe everyone is making their church give - Art doesn't have a church to suck money from.

Other interesting names are:

Art 'I was just given my church' Diaz
Frank 'Don't hurt my son' Romo
Misael 'I'm in so deep I forgot what fresh air smells like' Zaragosa
Andy 'More loans please' Provencio
John Mark 'I want to move up' Almaraz
Ron 'My wife's the Presidenta' Fernandez
Richard 'Stay out of my way' Maffey
Steve 'It's all relative' Roman

Grand total $190,500.00 not even enough to pay for Sam's driveway. When you remove the DGB 'seed money' ($45,000.00) that leaves $145,500.00.

Little Eddie said...

"Surrender to God your last two fish, and five barley loaves"
"Give your last drop of oil"
"Will you operate in the worst of earthly times"
"Give so we can have our INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL BANQUET"
(but of course)we will only celebrate it with a "BEST OF TIMES ATTITUDE" (how thoughtful)"We will celebrate with joy, faith, an anticipation"(sounds like a ketchup commerical)
"Thank you for your sacrificial commitment durning these difficult times"
(because we sure won't be making any, living it up on the top floor, going to the cowboy's game, dining it up, having a blast and yall is paying for it suckers)

Little Eddie said...

You forgot!
CELESTINO ( I took off with the votes and hid them) GUZMAN

accion said...

1 Aguilar
2 Arias
3 Pacheco
4 Romo
5 Sanchez
6 Valverde
7 Zaragoza
8 Provencio
9 Andrade
10 Gonzales
11 Maffey
12 Martin De Campo
13 Prado
14 Rodrig_uez
15 Aguilar
16 Alcantara
17 Almaraz
18 Arias
19 Balboa
20 Barbosa
21 Diaz
22 Diaz
23 Duarte
24 Fernandez
25 Gallardo
26 Garcia
27 Hernandez
28 Jasso
29 Landa
30 Lira
31 Marquez
32 Mendoza
33 Negron
34 Pargas
35 Pineda
36 Ramirez
37 Razo
38 Rodriguez
39 Sepulveda
40 Vasquez
41 Velasquez
42 VigH
43 Padilla
44 Flores
45 Guzman
46 Jimenez
47 Juarez
48 Maffev
49 Munoz
50 Pere~ra
51 Roman
52 Romero
53 Torres
Convention Missions Banquet
Pledge Reporl as of 10.29.08
Abel Christian Tabernacle
Abner Alj:>ha Omega Ministries
Edward Strongtower
Frank Phoenix ARostolic Church #1
Daniel Whittier Apostolic Church #3·
Samuel Fountain of Truth
Misael National City
Andy San Jose Apostolic Church #1
Benjamin Fort Worth Apostolic Church #1
Jaime South Bend, Indiana
Leobardo Santa Ana Apostolic Church #2
Ismael South Gate Apostolic Church
Victor San Fernando Apostolic Church
John North Coast Fellowship
David Earlimart Apostolic Church
Donaciano Madison, Wisconsin
John Mark Arlington AQostolic Church
Miguel Elkhart AQostolic Church
Frank Life Tabernacle Apostolic Church
Geor~e Apostolic Worship Epicenter
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Arthur Whittier Apostolic Church #2
Elias Bakersfield Apostolic Church #1
Ron Whitittier Apostolic Faith Center
Josue Phoenix Apostolic Church #4
Gilbert EI Buen Pastor
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Benjamin Northeast Dallas Apostolic Church
Mario Santa Ana Apostolic Church #7
Abraham San Antonio Apostolic Church #7
Joaquin West Dallas
Joe Apostolic Tabernacle Church
Juan Adrian Apostolic Church
Pedro Oak Cliff Apostolic Church #1
Rafael Mount of Zion Temple
David Lansing_Apostolic Church
Rogelio Seattle Apostolic Church #1
Mario Grand Prairie Apostolic Church #1
Isidro Otay Apostolic Church
Jose Skokie Apostolic Church
Oscar Naperville Apostolic Church
Tommy Ogden Apostolic Church
Dan Dalton Apostolic Church
Roberto Joliet AQostolic Church
Celestino WaUkegan Apostolic Church
Daniel Orangeville Apostolic Church
Armando Huntington Beach Apostolic
Richard San Clemente Apostolic Church
Victor Santa Ana Apostolic Church #6
Mauro EI Milagro de Dios
Steve Costa Mesa Apostolic Church
Fernando Ebenezer Rockdale Apostolic Church
Juan Racine Apostolic Church
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List of hardcore pastors

Little Eddie said...

Hardcore????????

OR


Brown nosers??????

Factsonly1 said...

Rev Steve Montenegro has accomplished more than any other apostolic in the lifetime of the apostolic church. He is the future of leadership to our beloved church. Our prophet will arise and take God's church to new levels of socioeconomic statusus.

Its the new generation of messengers of peace that are bringing restoration to the church. Through all the betrayal, hatred and hipicracy of the unfaithful, who have left the church and continue to slander us, we faithful have remained steadfast through the trials and tribulations.

Theres a new generation coming forth to lead. Anthony Romo, Steve Montenegro, Victor Prado Jr, Jason Aguilar, Jess Aguilar, Jeff Aguirre, Abel Duarte, Efrain Roman, Leo Maffey Jr, Tim Valverde, Rosablo Rodriguez. These men will lead the church to newer and higher levels.

Come and celebrate with us at the convention. We will celebrate those who are heros of the apostolic church.

Come and celebrate those who give sacrificially unto the lord. God has his own economy. Give faithfully your 10% and you will avoid recession and become celebrated.

Its a new time in the apostolic church. Remain faithful!

*Skotty will show you*THAT FOT HATES;) said...

Test

twovote said...

Thanks Little Eddie I missed that one.

Accion, I thnk this is what you were trying to accomplish:

Convention Missions Banquet
Pledge Report as of 10.29.08

$10,000 Aguilar Abel Christian Tabernacle
$10,000 Arias Abner Alpha Omega Ministries
$10,000 Pacheco Edward Strongtower
$10,000 Romo Frank Phoenix A #1
$10,000 Sanchez Daniel Whittier A #3·
$10,000 Valverde Samuel Fountain of Truth
$10,000 Zaragoza Misael National City
$10,000 Provencio Andy San Jose A #1
$5,000 Andrade Benjamin Fort Worth A #1
$5,000 Gonzales Jaime South Bend, Indiana
$5,000 Maffey Leobardo Santa Ana A #2
$5,000 Martin De Campo Ismael South Gate A
$5,000 Prado Victor San Fernando A
$5,000 Rodriguez John North Coast Fellowship
$2,500 Aguilar David Earlimart A
$2,500 Alcantara Donaciano Madison, Wisconsin
$2,500 Almaraz John Mark Arlington A
$2,500 Arias Miguel Elkhart A
$2,500 Balboa Frank Life Tabernacle A
$2,500 Barbosa George A Worship Epicenter
$2,500 Diaz Benjamin Delano A
$2,500 Diaz Arthur Whittier A #2
$2,500 Duarte Elias Bakersfield A #1
$2,500 Fernandez Ron Whitittier A Faith Center
$2,500 Gallardo Josue Phoenix A #4
$2,500 Garcia Gilbert EI Buen Pastor
$2,500 Hernandez Jose Muskegon A
$2,500 Jasso Benjamin Northeast Dallas A
$2,500 Landa Mario Santa Ana A #7
$2,500 Lira Abraham San Antonio A #7
$2,500 Marquez Joaquin West Dallas
$2,500 Mendoza Joe A Tabernacle
$2,500 Negron Juan Adrian A
$2,500 Pargas Pedro Oak Cliff A #1
$2,500 Pineda Rafael Mount of Zion Temple
$2,500 Ramirez David Lansing A
$2,500 Razo Rogelio Seattle A #1
$2,500 Rodriguez Mario Grand Prairie A #1
$2,500 Sepulveda Isidro Otay A
$2,500 Vasquez Jose Skokie A
$2,500 Velasquez Oscar Naperville A
$2,500 Vigil Tommy Ogden A
$1,500 Padilla Dan Dalton A
$1,000 Flores Roberto Joliet AQostolic
$1,000 Guzman Celestino WaUkegan A
$1,000 Jimenez Daniel Orangeville A
$1,000 Juarez Armando Huntington Beach A
$1,000 Maffev Richard San Clemente A
$1,000 Munoz Victor Santa Ana A #6
$1,000 Pereyra Mauro EI Milagro de Dios
$1,000 Roman Steve Costa Mesa A
$1,000 Romero Fernando Ebenezer Rockdale A
$1,000 Torres Juan Racine A

Factsonly1 said...

My church and pastor are in the top 10 of the church. Actually, we are the top church that gave, sacrificially and with joy. You have to understand, the lord loves and cheerful giver. We are taught to give cheerfully. The lord dispises and hate those that give bitterly, like most of you bloggers.

You have to understand, we are not only going to celebrate the year, we are going to be celebrated by the lord.

Thanks for posting the giving results. I am happy to see that my pastor and church are in the higher echelons of the church. We give humbly and cheerfully unto the lord.

Don't forget we have a very special announcement. God is moving in the church and we will have very important people from high places with us in Texas. Dont miss out.

*Skotty will show you*THAT FOT HATES;) said...

To all bloggers!!

First of all I need to apologize to everyone for my poor taste of language. I guess the truth is I struggle with moral issues in my life.

About a year ago, I was attending FOT and my homosexual lifestyle was revealed. Some ministers embraced me but firmly said that my lifestyle was an abomination. At the time, I got angry and bitterness consumed my heart. I left the church and continuously spoke venemous lies about everyone including Timo. The truth is the brothers were right about my lifestyle being a disgrace.

I have said that often times I speak with my cousin from Arizonia, but the person I speak is my ex-homosexual partner.

I ask that every blogger lift me up in prayer that I may have a deliverane from my sin and a healing from the result of my sin.

Due to my elicit behavior, I have been diagnose with HIV and I need a healing. Second, my rectal muscles have been weeken that I constantly soil myself. If all bloggers are serious about prayer, please pray for me as I engage in my dual battle of hating my immoral behavior as a homosexual, but enjoying the sexual intercourse of it.


Help me

Little Eddie said...

VICTOR PRADO JR.?????????

lol lol lol

twovote said...

factsonly1 said...

Its the new generation of
Flor Azul?

Theres a new generation coming forth to lead. Anthony Romo, Steve Montenegro, Victor Prado Jr, Jason Aguilar, Jess Aguilar, Jeff Aguirre, Abel Duarte, Efrain Roman, Leo Maffey Jr, Tim Valverde, Rosablo Rodriguez. These men will lead the church to newer and higher levels.
Like Viagra?

Don't forget we have a very special announcement.
You're coming out of the closet? HELLO, Eveyone already knows!

*Skotty will show you*THAT FOT HATES;) said...

Little Eddie:

I am not Victor Prado Jr. and I do not appreciate you making fun of me. Right now I am having a difficult time acknowledging and repenting of my sin. I really need the Apostolic community to support me as I try to be delivered from my lifestyle.

Something strikes wierd about your blogger name. Are you homosexual? the reason I am asking is in the homosexual community many time we assign little to a persons name when their sexual organ is diminished in size. Little Eddie is Victor Prado Jr. Homosexual? and how do you know this? Is VP2 delivered maybe he can help me and lead me out my current situation.

Little Eddie I ask that you refrain from sarcasm as I seek help from my Apostolic Brothers.

quin322 said...

cdg, My preyera are with u, and i will lift your name in our mission. I didnt mean to ofend you in any way. Anyone washed at one time with the blood of the Lamb is my brother. God bless you and heal you.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

These are your promises, take hold of them, in the name of Jesus.

Little Eddie said...

cbg:
In no way was I mocking you. I was responding to another post which mentioned VP jr as a future leader.
My post fell in back of yours. I hadn't even read your when I posted mine.
My prayers are for you bro.

accion said...

Thank you twovote.

Anonymous said...

come on,

You guys arent taken in by that load of bologna are you ?

CBG is not gay he is just someone who is bored and likes to rile people up.

My goodness how easily you all are taken in.

Why in the world would anyone post their personal business up in here ?

The answer is they wouldnt it is all for his own amusement.

Unknown said...

Hi there CBG! I want to hug you right now and lend you my shoulder to cry on.

I'm on my knees and praying for you.

lehan said...

wow my bypolar tendencies are manifesting! I didn't even know when I wrote the last posts. Maybe it wasn't me! CBG you are a dumb ..ss!

lehan said...

CBG ha ha ha ha ha ha you just made my blogging life so much more fun and easier. Now these other dumb .ssess won't know which CBG is writting. Actually if they really pay attention they will know if its me or the fake cbg. Especially when I talk to factsonly1 cause he knows the real name I go by.

Anyway, to the fake cbg (dumb ..ss) go ahead you just made my blogging alot easier and much more fun! Dumb ..ss!

Unknown said...

Someone please help me by copy and pasting this onto to a Word document and posting on the AA info website. I have no way of doing this.


To: President Sanchez
Another response to AA Charles Dickens letter:
November 7, 2008

I was there when you took over brother Rosa’s church in Solana Beach. I had the opportunity to visit you many times when you went to Tucson. I saw you when you were devastated surrounding certain circustances you faced there. I saw when you returned to Anaheim and your ascension from a mere pastor, to a bishop up to the president of the Apostolic Assembly and I am amazed that you chose to use this piece of English literature to open your October 28th, 2008 letter signed by you and your board.

Why would you use this novel to address the pastorate of the Apostolic Assembly? Have you read these novels? Where you attempting to show your knowledge of English literature?

These novels were a total of 3 books that were released over a long period of time. Each week a new chapter was released during the French revolutionary period.

In the Tale of Two Cities, the major plot lines revolve around the injustice of the rich French Aristocracy towards the peasants, in the period leading up to and including the French Revolution. This novel was written during the time of the French revolution. It mirrors many events which are mixed with reality and fiction.

The title, “A Tale of Two Cities” is crucial for interpretation of the novel, suggesting that the opposing cities of Paris and London constitute the true protagonists of the novel.

What you must understand is not the contrast between the two cities but the similarities of the two opposing cities.

Please note the dichotomy described in the first chapter between England "the dangerous" and France "the truly lethal". The details are associated with disorder in both cities and in particular French disorder. In other words the tale of two cities is describing the worst of two evils, France being the worst.

This novel speaks about the injustice being perpetrated by those in power over the common people. This is ironic considering what has been occurring in the Apostolic Assembly since the 2006 elections. What a great time to bring up this novel.

As an example, you will find in Book 1, Chapter 1:

"Under the guidance of her Christian pastors, she entertained herself besides, with such humane achievements as sentencing a youth to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers, and his body burned alive, because he had not kneeled down in the rain to do honour to a dirty procession of monks which passed within his view, at a distance of some fifty or sixty yards".

This novel is full of examples of injustices committed by those in power.
It is a story of great sacrifices being made for the sake of principle (perhaps the sacrifices of our ousted former leaders who were paraded out of the AA onto the street, mirrors this novel). The theme seems to say sow the same seed of rapacious license and oppression over again, and it will surely yield the same fruit according to its kind.
If you read the novel you will note that the major plot lines revolve around the injustice of the rich French Aristocracy towards the peasants, during the period leading up to and including the French Revolution.
In one critical incident early in the book it tells the story of a Marquis running over a peasant child with his carriage, killing the boy. The cruel Aristocrat expresses no regret, saying instead, “It is extraordinary to me that you people cannot take care of yourselves and your children. One or the other of you is for ever in the way. How do I know what injury you have done my horses?” (Book II, Chapter 7). The Aristocrat is upset because there is potential injury to his horse even though he doesn't see any, all the while the young lad whom he killed lays lifeless.

This single incident of callousness and injustice fuels the revolutionary spirit in one of the main characters in the book, who goes on to fight for justice.

In another chapter we hear of an innocent man trading places with a prisoner who is sentenced to death. The innocent man sneaks into the prison and changes clothes with the sentenced man. The following day this innocent man is taken to be executed (perhaps there were some innocent men who are no longer a part of the Assembly because they took the place of many of the pastor’s who remain sentenced in the Apostolic Assembly).

In chapter one page 1 of this novel it says:

“we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct (to hell) the other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period”.

How ironic that you would use the title to this novel “The Tale of Two Cities”.

Many years ago when you originally took over as president it became very apparent to me you plagarized from a great Christian author the mission statement for the Apostolic Assembly of Equip, Evangelize, and Exalt. This original mission statement from a great Christian author included one more important word. I would like to tell the entire AA that failed to put one other word the this famous Christian author had as his mission statement, that word is Edify. I notice that you have no interest in edifying the body of Christ.

Yours truly,

A current AA Pastor

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Anonymous said...

Sanchez is too ghetto and uneducated to come up with this on his own.

Someone probably fed him that quote and probably knew it would make him look like a fool.

Hmmmmm valverde ?

Or he is attempting to come off as well read and intellectual ?

Sorry buddy as they say in Spanish.

No te va !

It just takes a few minutes of hearing you speak or attempt to preach to realize you lack education, you lack class and you lack humility.

All that pride and nothing to be proud about.

So you achieved the presidency of the AA. Big Deal

Your attempt at preaching puts people to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzz

And you cant sing worth a lick, always singing those old as dirt songs.

Dude your old retire already.

You probably forget where you are sometimes.

I feel somehow that you are just Valverdes puppet. He really holds the strings doesnt he ?

And your too old and senile to see it.

But answer me this if you were not connected with the AA, what job or career would you hold in the real world out there.

Would you have a desk and a nice leather chair ?

Of course not you would be a cook at Pacos Tacos or you would be a custodian or gardener.


Someone said it well in a previous post.

Nobody like the assembly takes them from mowing lawns to the pulpit faster.

twovote said...

Enrique,

You need to apologize!!!

To all of the cooks at Pacos Tacos

. . . and the custodians

. . . and the gardeners.

They don't deserve to be equated to Sanchez

Unknown said...

Now Charles Dickens is used in the world of theology? Now thats just great.

Sounds like the La Puente Bible Schoolers are trying to sound their Edjumacated.

LOL When will these fools stop? Whats next? They'll probably start quoting Alfred E. Newman. lol

"Literature for Dummies" is on sale at Borders for $5.99

trophyman said...

This is awesome because $70,000.00 is already needed for Executive suites at the GAY-lord party! Not to mention meals, airline tckets, car rentals, tickets to the Dallas Cowboys, private security bodyguards, hopefully they would consider a shag carpet for la pelona de Valverde! LOL!!

How about it JOTITO! (FAGSONLY)



$10,000 Aguilar Abel Christian Tabernacle
$10,000 Arias Abner Alpha Omega Ministries
$10,000 Pacheco Edward Strongtower
$10,000 Romo Frank Phoenix A #1
$10,000 Sanchez Daniel Whittier A #3·
$10,000 Valverde Samuel Fountain of Truth
$10,000 Zaragoza Misael National City
$10,000 Provencio Andy San Jose A #1
$5,000 Andrade Benjamin Fort Worth A #1
$5,000 Gonzales Jaime South Bend, Indiana
$5,000 Maffey Leobardo Santa Ana A #2
$5,000 Martin De Campo Ismael South Gate A
$5,000 Prado Victor San Fernando A
$5,000 Rodriguez John North Coast Fellowship
$2,500 Aguilar David Earlimart A
$2,500 Alcantara Donaciano Madison, Wisconsin
$2,500 Almaraz John Mark Arlington A
$2,500 Arias Miguel Elkhart A
$2,500 Balboa Frank Life Tabernacle A
$2,500 Barbosa George A Worship Epicenter
$2,500 Diaz Benjamin Delano A
$2,500 Diaz Arthur Whittier A #2
$2,500 Duarte Elias Bakersfield A #1
$2,500 Fernandez Ron Whitittier A Faith Center
$2,500 Gallardo Josue Phoenix A #4
$2,500 Garcia Gilbert EI Buen Pastor
$2,500 Hernandez Jose Muskegon A
$2,500 Jasso Benjamin Northeast Dallas A
$2,500 Landa Mario Santa Ana A #7
$2,500 Lira Abraham San Antonio A #7
$2,500 Marquez Joaquin West Dallas
$2,500 Mendoza Joe A Tabernacle
$2,500 Negron Juan Adrian A
$2,500 Pargas Pedro Oak Cliff A #1
$2,500 Pineda Rafael Mount of Zion Temple
$2,500 Ramirez David Lansing A
$2,500 Razo Rogelio Seattle A #1
$2,500 Rodriguez Mario Grand Prairie A #1
$2,500 Sepulveda Isidro Otay A
$2,500 Vasquez Jose Skokie A
$2,500 Velasquez Oscar Naperville A
$2,500 Vigil Tommy Ogden A
$1,500 Padilla Dan Dalton A
$1,000 Flores Roberto Joliet AQostolic
$1,000 Guzman Celestino WaUkegan A
$1,000 Jimenez Daniel Orangeville A
$1,000 Juarez Armando Huntington Beach A
$1,000 Maffev Richard San Clemente A
$1,000 Munoz Victor Santa Ana A #6
$1,000 Pereyra Mauro EI Milagro de Dios
$1,000 Roman Steve Costa Mesa A
$1,000 Romero Fernando Ebenezer Rockdale A
$1,000 Torres Juan Racine A

November 7, 2008 10:43 AM
factsonly1 said...

trophyman said...

OBAMA/SANCHEZ SIMILARITIES
Both have dictator mentality
Obama chose R. Emanuel, Sanchez chose Napo, Obama will raise taxes, Sanchez is asking for $10,000.00 from every church, Obama is half black, Sanchez is half christian, Obama has Nanci Pelosi, Sanchez has Aguilar the screamer, Can anyone help expand a little more? LOL!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

Unknown said...

CORRECTED VERSION

Someone please help me by copying and pasting this onto to a Word document and posting on the apostolicAssembly.info website. I have no way of doing this.


To: President Sanchez
Another response to AA Charles Dickens letter:
November 7, 2008

I was there when you took over brother Rosa’s church in Solana Beach. I had the opportunity to visit you many times when you went to Tucson. I saw you when you were devastated surrounding certain circustances you faced there. I saw when you returned to Anaheim and your ascension from a mere pastor, to a bishop up to the president of the Apostolic Assembly and I am amazed that you chose to use this piece of English literature to open your October 28th, 2008 letter signed by you and your board.

Why would you use this novel to address the pastorate of the Apostolic Assembly? Have you read these novels? Were you attempting to show your knowledge of English literature?

You misunderstand this novel and the meaning of it's title "The tale of two cities"

These novels were a total of 3 books that were released over a long period of time. Each week a new chapter was released during the French revolutionary period.

In the Tale of Two Cities, the major plot lines revolve around the injustice of the rich French Aristocracy towards the peasants, in the period leading up to and including the French Revolution. This novel was written during the time of the French revolution. It mirrors many events which are mixed with reality and fiction.

The title, “A Tale of Two Cities” is crucial for interpretation of the novel, suggesting that the opposing cities of Paris and London constitute the true protagonists of the novel.

What you must understand is not the contrast between the two cities but the similarities of the two opposing cities.

Please note the dichotomy described in the first chapter between England "the dangerous" and France "the truly lethal". The details are associated with disorder in both cities and in particular French disorder. In other words the tale of two cities is describing the worst of two evils, France being the worst.

This novel speaks about the injustice being perpetrated by those in power over the common people. This is ironic considering what has been occurring in the Apostolic Assembly since the 2006 elections. What a great time to bring up this novel.

As an example, you will find in Book 1, Chapter 1:

"Under the guidance of her Christian pastors, she entertained herself besides, with such humane achievements as sentencing a youth to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers, and his body burned alive, because he had not kneeled down in the rain to do honour to a dirty procession of monks which passed within his view, at a distance of some fifty or sixty yards".

This novel is full of examples of injustices committed by those in power.
It is a story of great sacrifices being made for the sake of principle (perhaps the sacrifices of our ousted former leaders who were paraded out of the AA onto the street, mirrors this novel). The theme seems to say sow the same seed of rapacious license and oppression over again, and it will surely yield the same fruit according to its kind.
If you read the novel you will note that the major plot lines revolve around the injustice of the rich French Aristocracy towards the peasants, during the period leading up to and including the French Revolution.
In one critical incident early in the book it tells the story of a Marquis running over a peasant child with his carriage, killing the boy. The cruel Aristocrat expresses no regret, saying instead, “It is extraordinary to me that you people cannot take care of yourselves and your children. One or the other of you is for ever in the way. How do I know what injury you have done my horses?” (Book II, Chapter 7). The Aristocrat is upset because there is potential injury to his horse even though he doesn't see any, all the while the young lad whom he killed lays lifeless.

This single incident of callousness and injustice fuels the revolutionary spirit in one of the main characters in the book, who goes on to fight for justice.

In another chapter we hear of an innocent man trading places with a prisoner who is sentenced to death. The innocent man sneaks into the prison and changes clothes with the sentenced man. The following day this innocent man is taken to be executed (perhaps there were some innocent men who are no longer a part of the Assembly because they took the place of many of the pastor’s who remain sentenced in the Apostolic Assembly).

In chapter one page 1 of this novel it says:

“we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct (to hell) the other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period”.

How ironic that you would use the title to this novel “The Tale of Two Cities”.

Many years ago when you originally took over as president it became very apparent to me you plagarized from a great Christian author the mission statement for the Apostolic Assembly of Equip, Evangelize, and Exalt. This original mission statement from a great Christian author included one more important word. I would like to tell the entire AA that you failed to put one other word that this famous Christian author had as his mission statement, that word is Edify. I notice that you used Exalt, Equip, Evangelize but you didn't use Edify. The reason why is that you have no interest in edifying the body of Christ.

Yours truly,

A current AA Pastor

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Trophy...


Expand on Obama's "dictator" mentality... I'm assuming you are a licensed psychiatrist of some sort...

or another part-time La Puenta graduate.. and actually believe its a legitimate degree??? lol

But seriously... please expand on the point...

Which policy... or what action has he taken that would make him appear to have a dictator like mentality.. and please reference a dictator in history that showed that similarity...

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

whoa... this new generation ALL have pastor's as their dads.. many on district and national boards...

i would have never believed it..


i'm sure NEPOTISM has nothing to do with it.. lol...

Next generation? I think I counted 1 college degree amongst the entire bunch.. LOL

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Let's just set he record straight..

Montengegro ran as a republican in a +90% republican registered district... HANDPICKED by the US rep.... lol...

He is the ultimate definition of a goon... jerry mandering.. coat tail riding politician...

LOL..

This guy is the next prophet? lol..

He's the latin rush limbaugh more like... hahaha

*Skotty will show you*THAT FOT HATES;) said...

Enrique:

Rome I am not feeding you a bunch of Bolonga. I am homosexual and I need deliverance. The reason I am spilling out my sins anonymously is due to the embarrassment of my elicit behaviour. If I reveal my my name then I have embarrassed my family, but I need to make my confession. How can you not understand that Dumbass. I was on the verge of marrying another man, but I feel there was a divine intervention by the citizens of California voting against same sex marriage. I am in a vicious cycle knowing I should stop with my reprobate behaviour; however, my love of inappropiate affection gets the best of me.

Rome if you think I am trying to rile you up, please contact me at (480) 797-0754 and I will give you more details about my life.

Besides hiv, I have diagnosed with mental disorders and come across two opposite personalities.

*Skotty will show you*THAT FOT HATES;) said...

Enrique:

Go fuck yourself, Dumbass!!!!

*Skotty will show you*THAT FOT HATES;) said...

Trophyman:

You cliterus!!!!

lehan said...

Hey cbg,

The rumor in Arizona is that one of Tafoya's relatives got you to highjack someones blog name to come in here and use fowl language.

Are you that desperate that you have to use profane language. The old cbg, tough he called everybody a dumb ass never was as profane as you. You got caught my man. I just hope that from that same fowl mouth don't also came praises to God on Sunday. Especially at you uncles church in Glendale Arizona!

trophyman said...

CHAIRMAN

I am no Psychiatrist I am just someone from the LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga. Surely you are not as stupid as you come across are you? Surely you see the absolute authority style of Sanchez, that my friend is dictatorship! Pastors tremble under his rule, afraid to call him on his crap why? Cause they are afraid to lose everything that they have worked for. NAH! You are not that stupid are you? You see CHAIR, Sanchez rules and what he needs to do is LEAD, until he learns to be a leader he will continue to rule why? Because he is comfortable with ruling every dictator is until they are removed. History shows us one thing about dictators and that is their removal is not always swift. CHAIR your stupidity really amazes me! Tell me CHAIR are you a Pastor with the AA? The reason I ask is because wit that stupidity of yours you easily qualify to be one in the AA.

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

omg said...

cbg your just wack. you have issues.

Go to James Dobson web for your gay issues.

Rumor has it'''''is that your favorite line or is that just a rumor.

Go to the church of your choice, Jesus will be there for you. I garantee.

trophyman said...

CHAIRMAN

I must apologize I did come across pretty strong. It's obvious how much hatred many of us have for what Sanchez has done to the AA. I honestly do hope that you accept my apology.

As far as Barack Hussein Obama his wealth redistribution plan sickens me. Saddam Hussein instituted a similar plan in Iraq, guess who ended up with everything. That is until someone from Texas told him enough is enough. CHAIR I have worked real hard for everything I have and I am not willing to share it with anyone or give back some of what I have to someone that doesn't want to work. So screw Obama and his plan.

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

trophyman said...

cbg

I am so glad to know that you are infected with HIV! Hopefully with a disease like this you want be around much longer. As a professional I have come across many people like you and honestly you people get what you ask for! As the infection worsens you will not want orgasms anymore, your vomitting will not allow you to indulge in ecstasy!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

quin322 said...

how the heck is this anyway right? old cbg you are no child of God, but twice a child of satan.

lehan said...

quin32 and you're nothing more and nothing less than apostolic dumb ..ss!! nough said!

trophyman said...

Para El Pastor Julio Roman:

Usted cree que estos hombres come Hernandez y Zaragosa les importa de una obrita tan pequena como la que usted pastorea? Especialmente si no estaban cumpliendo con sus responsibilidades. Estos hombres lo que les importa es ver el dinero, no hay dinero no hay apoyo en la AA. Ahora si usted cree que Sanchez le va atender, esta muy equivocado, a Sanchez y sus hachachincles lo unico que les impressiona es el DINERO$$$$! Creelo!

A TODOS LOS PASTORES:
Fijense bien lo que esta pasando en la AA. Los suspuestamente lideres les importa poco de una obrita! Les importa poco! No le dieron nada de importancia a Julio Roman. Que se pierda esta congregcionsita alcabo esta chiquita! Sanchez es nada mas que un sinverguenza! Liders mis patas!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

WatchOut! said...

I greatly commend Bro. Rod Garcia for standing up for what is right. Someone criticized because he did this publicly. How else are the people going to be heard? How else will change be effected if no one speaks up? Everyone knows what they did to Bishops Baldemar, Salomon, Torres, Bro. Avila and perhaps they are afraid, scared to lose what they have worked so hard for, sad to perhaps leave their brothers and sisters in Christ whom they love, afraid to break away from the church they have known forever. Yet slowly and steadily the brave are beginning their exodus from the AA, Bro. Zuniga, Bro. Juan Campos, young Bro. Carlos Alvarez, Bro. Julio Roman, Bro. Rod Garcia and the many others who are gaining strength from these brave brothers who would stand up alongside their brothers who were unjustifiably ousted from the AA. These brothers who were ousted did NO WRONG, they were not new to the assembly, they were not brothers who were rebellious, they did not compromise their beliefs or their ministerial oath. These brothers were experienced Bishops and leaders who took up issue with the Fraud of the 2006 Elections in Long Beach, this was their “wrongdoing“ according to the general board.

It was the general board who WAS IN THE WRONG. They are the ones who committed a wrong. They are the ones who should be ousted from the Assembly. They are the ones who should ask for God’s forgiveness for deceiving our Pastors and robbing them of their vote.

God bless all pastors, ministers and members who are willing to stand up next to these brave men who faced the general board and risked everything to do their best to try to bring about change for the better of the AA. Their sacrifice should not be in vain, we should stand up, one by one, and join them standing shoulder to shoulder and give them our support. Let your voice be heard for justice, God‘s justice. God bless.

The_End_is_Near said...

I had a good Laugh today at church.
The Pastor preached his sermon based on Sanchez's Charles Dickens letter.
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"
Everything from David calling Goliath every name except Giant to the border brothers having a hard time getting back in the USA.
I feel like making copies of the letter and hand them out to the hermanos, and tell them here, this is where the Pastor researches his great sermons.

Did anybody else have the honor of hearing that great same sermon from your Pastor?

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

Trophy,

Apolgy not needed... we should all be able to express ourselves freely and openly, and it seems you care enough about the issue, to at least express an opinion. SO I commend you for it.

Good (but not applicable) example of Saddam, its been documented he was a secularist dictator, and did lean towards communism in a way. His most influential mentor was Stalin. But again, Stalin was more of an authoritarian, than he was a true communist when you compare him to say Lenin. In fact, he ruled with an iron fist, and controlled the USSR in a way many think Lenin would have not approved.

But, to compare Obama to Saddam, you're comparing a bb gun to a stealth bomber.. lol. Yes they are both left of center, but your comparison is extreme.

In regards to the "right" for an american to have access to health care, a better comparison would be that of England's NHS, ALL of the Scandinavian countries, Japan, Germany, even Canada.

You woudl be hard-pressed to say any of these coutries are Communist, as they are all democracracies. Do they have socialist programs, yes, are they communist, no?

I understand your hesiatation to paying taxes, and no1 has claimed you have not worked hard. We all have. Many of us have overcome the immigration and undeducation hurdles of our partents, language, social and cultural barriers imposed on us by our heritage. But we have rpessed on and overcome them. That said, never, never let them indoctrinate you that "you are an island". All of me, and what I have.

Schools were socialised (via public education) and our democracy has become more open and stronger, social security is a socialist program, and many elderly were kept out of poverty and destitution, the post office is a socialist endevour, and rain sleet or hail, it arrives. The GI bill was socialism on a grand scale, giving gov't funds to our returning vets, and it cause the great boom and expansion of our middle class, which took electoral power away from the wealthy to the new middle class.

And yet none of these opportunities was the end of our democracy and way of life. In fact each improved it.

Allowing every American the "right" to access health care will not be the end of our country, in fact no pun intended will only make us stronger.

A democracy, a great country, is not or to be judged) soley by its military might, or the wealth of its richest citizen, but by the quality of life of its weakest, frailest, most vulnerable of its citizenry, and how that democracy cares for them.

In our pursuit of capitalism, let us not become cannibals.

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