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should not bare the cost of theses men!!!!!!!!!!!!
For you legal beagles, what does CA statue state about officials of an organization being sued? Can they use the organization's funds or do they have to put out of their own pocket?
it says in aa.info that these men will file the lawsuit against Sanchez, Valverde, Espinoza, Guzman and Gaxiola. Is that correct
only if we were in Texas where Sanchez wants to move the GB.. To bad headquarters isnt in texas.. I dont recall ENRON covering thier CEO Kenneth Lays attorney fees. Its time that the people of the AA do not use our money and tithes to defend thier legal actions
ILLEGAL ACTIONS
talking about illegal actions, we heard that guzman had been instructed to take the ballots that were cast at the general convention all the way to Waukegan, Illinois
wwwwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttt?
yo gOt 2 b kIddINg. fROM long beach 2 where?
what or where is waukeegan
Money!!!!!!!!
Why do u think they have been stalling?
They are cleaning up the safe!
The QB is on the run!
I hear Gaxiola is running up to the hills!
Gaxiola. Are we talking about Abel Aguilars uncle?
how is abel and gaxiola related?
A magnitude 7.2 earthquake hit San Bernardino County early Tuesday, sending shudders across the region, authorities said.
The GB had to call an emergency meeting.
The quake was strong enough to wake people as far away as Dallas, Albuquerque, Santa Ana, Corona, Anaheim, Alta Loma, the north Los Angeles.
Felipe Lugo, a dispatch supervisor with the San Bernardino County Fire Department, said there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries.
We will know for sure in a couple of days.
To 9:21 PM,
HUH?
Does anybody know if the board address each other with these overblown references to "honorable?"
If these guys walk arounf talking like this mo wonder...never mind.
Also, do you think Pachueco used no intrest, no money down, no doc, adjustable rate loans to get his property? Can we find this out?
The blogmaster should start a post on Mr. Pachueco real esatate dealings. You don't think that the members of the AA should be informed about the investment dealings of one of the most powerful men in the AA?
Do you thnk he'll have a problem with that? Isn't that what all public leaders are expected to do?
Sanchez next convention sermon will be:
"Praising in the Prison"
There will be a satellite feed from San Bernardino Correctional to the convention auditorium. This one will knock your socks off - can't wait!
To 9:21 LOL
They can bash all they want all the way behind bars... hilarious
Call me stupid, but I don't get the whole "earthquake post". Can someone explain, por-fas?
I wonder if the conventions being held in Texas has some other ulterior motive. Maybe they are trying to establish a new corporation – in Texas.
Maybe they are just trying to limp along long enough to get there with their ‘hand picked’ Bishops. Then they can take a new vote or establish new bylaws or other sweeping changes.
The earthquake happened when the letter was delivered to the Pastors
OR Maybe they were served?
From: Reliable Neutral Source
I have been watching this whole thing unfold and I really thought the Baldemar’s side would loose BIG TIME and didn’t have a chance, UNTIL NOW THAT I SEE THEIR LAW FIRMS LEGAL STRATEGY.
WOW!!!! THESE GUYS ARE NO JOKE!!
PEOPLE, THIS IS SENDING CHILLS UP AND DOWN MY SPINE!!!
They are suing the “Qualifying Committee”. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
There are laws in the state of California that regulate and limit the legal liability of non-profit board of director of a religious organization in a lawsuit. In other words, you usually can’t sue a board of director personally...I say usually because everyone knows that you couldn’t get people to serve on a non-profit. 90% of non-profit directors in the state of California are not monetarily compensated except for their expenses (traveling to a meeting, gas, plane, etc...) but no real salary. .
It sounds pretty standard...Board of Directors are immune from liability, right? NO....
1. Not if they are compensated with a salary
AND/OR
2. Not if they committed a fraudulent act.
What does this mean? Those that are being sued could end up paying out of their own pockets.
NO KIDDING SEE STATUTE REGARDING OFFICERS OF A NON-PROFIT
4.5.3 Corporations Code Section 5047.5.
Section 5047.5 is found in Part 1 of the Nonprofit Corporations Law which presents defined terms and other provisions which typically apply to corporations in all three nonprofit categories (i.e., public benefit, mutual benefit, and religious). Because of its location, Section 5047.5 should apply to all categories of nonprofit corporations, yet by its terms the Section is restricted to Internal Revenue Code Sections 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(6) organizations, and then only to those that are organized for religious, charitable, literary, educational, scientific, social and other forms of public service purposes. The section purports to protect "uncompensated" directors of covered entities from personal liability for monetary damages on account of negligent acts or omissions occurring within the scope of the person's duties as an uncompensated director or officer and in the exercise of his or her policy-making judgment so long as the act or omission was in good faith and in a manner the director or officer believes to be in the best interests of the corporation.
Specifically excluded from the liability protection benefits of section 5047.5 are:
* Actions alleging that the director or officer is guilty of self-dealing as defined in Corporations Code Section 5233.
* Actions maintained by the Attorney General against the director or officer.
* Liabilities arising from intentional, wanton or reckless acts, gross negligence, fraud, oppression or malice on the part of those serving as a director.
FYI: AA General Board
In order to make this worth the time of the Plaintiff’s counsel (attorney’s) the plaintiff needs to sue for millions of dollars ($100,000,000.00).
If the AA loses, they go bankrupt and they will have to give the church properties to Baldemar and Co. a new AA is started.
I just hope that Baldemar and Co. instead choose to do the right thing and implement a new election. I am certain the 600 pastor’s will immediately vote out the current general board.
If the plaintiff’s don’t make a large mult-million dollar demand the AA won’t take them serious.
By the way every church the AA owns will be on the blocks... think about Union City, Indio church, Phoenix,etc....
What kind of mess have you got the Assembly into Mr. Sanchez?
No wonder that 9:21 call this an earthquake
Wow, this is pretty intense. No wonder the GB and their kids try to brush this off as just a joke, they even laugh at those filing the lawsuit. The truth is, their scared out of their pants and they try to hide it by being condescending and arrogant about this whole ordeal.
Do you foresee prison time?
My prediction - no prison time.
Can you imagine this BG under cross-examination, with all the facts we have discuss in this blog plus the ones we don't know yet?
Can you imagine all the hermanos jam-packed at the courthouse to get in on the chisme? They'll be more apos at the courthouse than there will be at the next convention.
Si se puede! Si se puede! Si se puede!
Abel, Leo, Victor run you are casualties in all of this.
So how can we call our next courthouse?
To the consentors:
I would just like to make some observations:
1. (Positive) Very nice move in sending a letter to the pastor's and making it available to the public through posting on the internet.
2. (Positive) The Spanish letter was well written Saul Avila. It was written with humility and passion for the cause.
3. (Negative) The English letter was completely different and I felt that you were a little condescending when you said they (GB) could donate to your legal fund. Should have kept that part out. If you had stuck to the Spanish version you wouldn't have had the same problem.
4. (Positive) the English version had more details of the electoral matter.
5. (Negative) the English letter starts by saying that you are going to explain(chronoligize) why we are at this point of filing a lawsuit. Then you go on to explain the matter but the events are not in chronological order. The first correspondence to the AA was really from Daniel Jauhall. You could have done a better job on the English letter by translating the Spanish one and sticking to the Spanish version in English.
Otherwise, I think you guys currently have the upper hand. You guys are making a come-back!
The question of do you forsee prison time?
Not a criminal matter yet.
The district attorney, attorney general, state franchise board, irs will initially sit this out.
They don't like to get involved in starting the process with religious organizations.
BUT THEY WILL BE WATCHING THIS. The longer it goes on...the chances of getting the government involved increases.
In the process of depositions, we will all discover A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE GENERAL BOARD'S SPENDING HABITS.
We will know if it is true that Laker tickets were purchased with AA money.
On and on...little things can potentially be the "thing" that sinks the ship...then the government becomes involved because they have written testimony.
Just to finish off this conversation from yesterday:
"Geeese Louise, someone has an axe to grind with Zaragosa. I bet you got that juicy insider information, since you are from SD. I bet you're the only "educated" person in SD too.
I'll give you Anaya, he's a good man, unless you have some more insider information to the contrary.
John Sanchez, he's a good bottom tier candiate. If this was the NFL Draft, he'd go in the 5th Round.
Anaya started with almost nothing and has grown his church, nutured his congregation and got bigger and better facilities.
Oh, seems like Zaragosa has done the same thing.
I know, I know, you have the inside scoop on all the chisme on Zaragosa."
For one, I don't claim to be the only educated person in SD but being in the area allows me and other SD Pastors to know things that you wouldn't know since you are on the outside looking in.
You read WAY into my comments. I was not spreading a chisme about Zaragoza. I said he would not win ebcause he has not even served as an Elder yet. You would know this by simply being in the District. In addition, he has not served as a District Board member yet. The way I interpret the constitution, he cannot be Bishop without first having been an elder or District board member. That's why I said he would not win. This was not a gossip fueled comment, just stating what I believe the constitution to say. I may be wrong. Maybe he can caveat the system by having been the National Men's Leader, but per the constitution as I interpret it, he hasn't met the requirements.
To October 17, 2007 6:30 AM
Prerequisites didn't stop Sam from becoming a GB member.
With CID, if they wanted Zaragosa to be Bishop, or even a GB member, he would be.
"Prerequisites didn't stop Sam from becoming a GB member.
With CID, if they wanted Zaragosa to be Bishop, or even a GB member, he would be."
OK... my bad on the interpretation. Sometimes interpreting the Constitution is like interpreting code. I just wanted to clarify my point and refute that I was trying to blast Zaragoza with my comment as to why I felt he would not be elected Bishop.
This suit is like none ever seen in the history of the Assembly.
This is worse than the Efrain Valverde fiasco in the 70's.
WHY?
Non-profits have certain fidiciary responsiblities that board directors should abide by in "Good Faith".
In other words they are given a lot of latitude in many things, such as tax non-exempt status, etc...
In this case a lot of things about the spending habits of Sanchez, Valverde and the entire board will come out. This may include past GB members.
THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO FIND OUT THE DIRTY LAUNDRY OF THE AA.
AA members get ready to be shocked about their spending habits.
Also be ready for the AA to go bankrupt if they lose this one.
That has always been the danger of having one corporation owning all the church properties.
99.9% of the church organizations in the U.S. including the UPC are organized with their own local board and elders. They set forth their own incorporation to avoid a dominoes effect which could happen to the AA if the lose this lawsuit.
The AA has been setting itself up for this type of problem to occur for many years, because of the way our forefathers set up this organization.
The very thing that has permitted the GB to maintain a strict control over it's properties may be the very thing that causes it's demise.
It's dominoes effect. If the AA loses this case...they are asked by the courts...how will you pay for the $100,000,000.00 They may say our liability insurance company. WRONG!!
I can guarantee you that the AA does not carry more than $5,000,000 liability policy and even so...liability policy would not pay for acts which the courts determine to be irregular.
These type of actions by the GB would not be covered under the insurance policy.
So the insurance company would not pay this claim and the AA would have to start selling their Headquarters and church properties or deed them over to the Plaintiff's.
THE AA HOUSE IS CRUMBLING!!
"CORRE IGLESIA, CORRE!"
"RUN CHURCH, RUN!"
Is it true that AA lost the lawsuit against Salvador Villegas ($500,000) because our smart president lie under cross examination about the prostitution case?
2 Questions:
What is the case with Salvador Villegas and the prostitute?
and
So if Vladimir & Co win this case and recover monetary damages- who keeps the money? His group or does it go back to the assembly, because after all, WE were all cheated out.
Personally- NO ONE, NOT A ONE OF US should contribute to either side as far as money goes. If Baldemar & the boys want to sue- more power to them- they should- but at their own expense. Because if they win- will they share proceeds with the people who donated?
As far as the AA- it should come out of their pocket-- if I'm not mistaken- I don't think they can use the insurance to pay this one up- but I could be wrong.
TO 7:49
Can you please elaborate on the prostitution case....
Ayyyyy gente: if you're going to post a story here- don't be afraid to state names and facts- don't leave anything out because that just leads to the rest of us guessing and too many entries responding for you to elaborate on your story- or else don't post it. IT'S ANONYMOUS!
Please elaborate on the prostitution case.
And double check your entries before posting them- some of the grammar used and the mispelling makes it difficult to understand some of the entries.
Take your time- there's no rush.
Who is Salvador Villegas? What prostitution case? Which President? President Sanchez?
Please follow-up.
Question:
"What is the case with Salvador Villegas and the prostitute?
and
So if Vladimir & Co win this case and recover monetary damages- who keeps the money? His group or does it go back to the assembly, because after all, WE were all cheated out."
Answer:
The AA sued Salvador Villegas. This case brought up to the forefront the issue in the deposition of President Sanchez as to the relationship of Eliseo Sanchez (blood brother of D. Sanchez). Eliseo Sanchez from what we understand from the folks in the Rio Grande Valley a prostitution charge was tagged on him.
It is not Valdimir and Co., according to aa.info, it was Salomon who called the attorney in Houston. In reading this post on aa.info, this group of men are not after money but totally NEW ELECTIONS!
to 7:47 a.m.:
if these type of actions are not covered by the insurance policies- WHY would the GB, if they lost, sign the deeds of the properties over to the Plaintiffs? The Plaintiffs are AA members. The properties ARE not in the GB's personal names-
If they signed the deeds over- wouldn't that just be starting the cylce over again?
Who is Salvador Villegas? A pastor? A random person?
So Eliseo had a prost charge tagged on him? As a prostitute or as a 'john'?
any idea where we can locate the public records on this case?
Salvador Villegas used to be a pastor and bishop in Texas.
Daniel Sanchez lied under oath.
And Bishop Villegas won the case. This case happen last year. Is all public record.
reply to 8:57 AM
Who is Salvador Villegas? A pastor? A random person? He was a bishop in the central texas area and a pastor in austin. When the AA sued him he left us.
So Eliseo had a prost charge tagged on him? As a prostitute or as a 'john'? as a pimp
any idea where we can locate the public records on this case? the people in the rio grande valley area have newspaper clippings of this
any idea where we can locate the public records on this case?
Austin Texas
FYI: To the consentors,October 17 at 4:56 AM in regards to the letter that was sent to the Pastors. The well written letter in English, was composed by Postor Saul Avila was excellent. I heard that the Spanish version was written by Bishop Abel Torres.
Although both letters WERE well written, they were two VERY different letters.
So Eliseo had a prost charge tagged on him? As a prostitute or as a 'john'? as a pimp
He used to sell his own wife as a prostitute in Texas and Nevada to college students.
There is so much trash that has been covered up over the years. All in the name of "protecting the work of the lord". RIGHT
The trash is being uncovered and it smells really bad.
Regarding the latest letter on AA.info:
Who is the attorney for the plaintiffs (Baldemar, et al). I've never seen an attorney to advise their client to send out letters to other non interested parties(non interest in the fact they are not directly impacted by this lawsuit, they are neither plaintiffs or defendants) advising their position and their basis for a lawsuit. And a poorly communicated one at that, it appears that the spanish and english version do not line up in translation.
That is the last thing a good attorney would advise. Now is when they should be going into bunker mode.
It tells me that:
1. They realize they don't have legal merit backing them up and need public opinion. (attorneys don't really care about public opinion when the law is on their side)
or
2. They don't what the heck they are doing! Why one week prior to filing a lawsuit they would out a letter full of wholes and contradicory statements and could also be used against them.
You don't hear the the AA stating any position and believe me, if their where letters being sent out we would have them.
The AA doesn't have to say anything if the law is on their side, if not they would be vying for public opinion also but they are not, not yet at least. This will all have to be settled before they send out any communication regarding this matter.
I know this stuff, I've seen LA Law a couple times!
ooops! (Pastor)
You don't hear the the AA stating any position and believe me, if their where letters being sent out we would have them.
wake up! where have you been? try reading aa.info on the 'from the aa side june 13'
regarding aa.info..
yeah it it under letters to pastors both in englsih and spanish
"I know this stuff, I've seen LA Law a couple times!"
the tv show or reality? Have you heard of la county law going after the 'catolicos' and how the 'catolicos' owned up to their mess?
r u in another planet or what?
You guys need a reality check, legal opinion does not require public opinion.
What is the purpose of them sending out these letters but to sway public opinion.
Take the mud out of your eyes! You may not like the current GB, but you cannot blindly think because you don't like them they are just going to go away because of a threat of a lawsuit and a website.
I've said this many times now. There is no legal merit for which the lawsuit is based. Does that mean they can file a lawsuit? Yes, they can. I file a lawsuit because you looked at me funny but it will not have any merit. It is an exercise in futility.
But don't get me wrong, I do enjoy these discussions.
I have another question for all the conspiracy theorist out there.
Why is Pastor Tafoya preaching at a convention of another oneness organization? Is he trying to create in roads to pull the pastors from the AA that are disenfranchised with the AA? Does he realize his time is marked with the AA and in order him to achieve the title he requires he may have to move on another organization? If he can pull a many other disenfranchised churches in, he will look like a hero to both those churches and the other organization guarantee himself a position with the other organization.
wake up! where have you been? try reading aa.info on the 'from the aa side june 13'
This letter was made available to this web site via its producer, Tafoya. They are not sending out letters to its constituency en mass.
PREDICTION: Daniel Sanchez will move on to be president of the P.A.W. His new name will be.....
Daniel Sanchizzle....ma-snizzle
"You read WAY into my comments. I was not spreading a chisme about Zaragoza. I said he would not win ebcause he has not even served as an Elder yet. You would know this by simply being in the District. In addition, he has not served as a District Board member yet. The way I interpret the constitution, he cannot be Bishop without first having been an elder or District board member. That's why I said he would not win. This was not a gossip fueled comment, just stating what I believe the constitution to say. I may be wrong. Maybe he can caveat the system by having been the National Men's Leader, but per the constitution as I interpret it, he hasn't met the requirements"
Then please explain how Malverde, and Pachuco were elected on to the National Board?
Neither of them have ever been an Elder let alone District Bishop.
Sam is a SHAM. Pachuco is an SCAM.
hey perry mason...
as one who has heard from a reliable source, the gb recently sent out a letter to this group of men. if the group of men do not have a case, then do not even bother to send a letter out, right?
RE: PACHECO PROPERTIES
HE'S PURCHASED SEVERAL PROPERTIES. BEING NON-OWNER OCCUPIED, HE WOULD HAVE TO PUT DOWN 20% OF THE PURCHASE PRICE. WITH THE EXCEPTION FOR THE ONE HE LIVES IN.
I WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO PURCHASE SEVERAL HOUSES WITH ZERO DOWN. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT BANKS WOULD REQUIRE 20%.
IN ADDITION TO THE TAXES, THIS CAN BE PRICEY.
I THINK I JUST MAY GET A MINISTERIAL LICENSE AND COLLECT SOME TAX-FREE INCOME, START MY OWN CHURCH.
GOING TO COLLEGE, SERVING MY COUNTRY, GRAD SCHOOL, ESTABLISHING A CAREER DOESN'T PAY AS MUCH AS TEACHING THE CHURCH MEMBERS. WHERE IS THAT LA PUENTE THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL?
Bro Valverde has not served as Elder or Bishop of any sector or District- But Pachueco was the last elder of this sector in this forsaken district of IDC-
How DID they get on the board before either was Elder or Bishop? something we may want to ask Baldemar- it was during his tenure. Again- when Baldemar was in office he was part of the corruption, now that he's not, he's pointing fingers.
No matter who gets on the GB- it's all the same thing- they too will become corrupted- it's part of the game.
Anyone out there know of any lawsuits against or by the AA on any person of the AA during the Rodriguez Dynasty? Err, the Baldemar Rodriguez administrations- didn't he serve for a ton of years as president?
Does Saul Avila have a son?
To what group of men was the letter sent out to? The pastoral body? The Episcopal body?
Or the petitioners/plaintiffs, in which case this would not be for the purposes of garnering public opinion.
Who was it sent out to?
It was not sent out to Bishop Tafoya or else it would be on the AA.info website. It was not sent to him because he not a plaintif or petitioner.
To 10:09 entry:
Pachueco has served as Elder of his sector @ IDC. His term has ended this past summer when Brother Saenz became the new Elder.
So at one point, Pachueco was a Trustee for the Nava Foundation, on the GB, a Pastor, and an Elder. How many position can one man hold? Besides, isn't illegal for him to be a Trustee on the Nava Foundation and on the GB?
What about Artie Espinoza? Is he qualified?
Abel Aguilar was never a district bishop either.
How about some Tukunga Blast Drink! lol Next thing Jason Abel Agauilar will be promoting Noni, 2x2, Primerica and AmWay.
Well The GB sent out a letter to all the pastors' so it is stating about what is going on why not show both sides of the story. If you are going to critic that is fine but why not metion both the of the letters sent out by both sides. Only a question?
The Constitution really needs to be ractified as to positions. ONce you become a member of the GB- you should not be able to hold the position or elder at the same time. They're position hogs- they think NO ONE else can do the job.
meant to say sent out a letter to the pastor's about what is going.
Also take out the first the in "the of the letters". thanks
OOPS, I meant . . .Elder OR Bishop at the same time
What is the thing about Jason Aguilar and energy drink? Please elaborate.
The GB sent a letter out to the pastorate about their intention to continue the Roadmap seminars and to censor what Bishop Tafoya had been rumoring.
to perry mason
"Or the petitioners/plaintiffs, in which case this would not be for the purposes of garnering public opinion."
the thread was not public opinion but the gb writitng to these men. why is the gb writing to them so late in the game
Titanic = AA/GB
Lawsuit = Iceberge
Letters = Flares
You know the rest of the story.
The GB has a duty to communicate with its episcopal and pastoral body in order to conduct business.
The plaintiffs much less Pastor Tafoya has no business sending out letters to the episcopal and pastoral bodies but to sway public opinion.
By doing so they are cutting their own throat. They will get slaughtered by doing so. They should be taking the "no comment" approach.
Do they want to hire me?
If the CID was misfired, we will rehire!
If its prensented by Sam, it must be a scam.
If the Fund is Chueco, It was drained by Pacheco.
Maybe Tafoya's intention in sending out letters to the pastors was to stay aligned with the Biblical principle of "taking matters to the church first."
Although he wasn't necessarily trying to sway public opinion, I'm sure it was a welcomed expectation. I think he was merely trying to stay in line with Biblical standards and at the same time anticipating this issue to reach the court system.
"Sam the scam"
and
"If the fund is chueco, it must be Pacheco"
Hilarious!!!
We are sooOOoo going to hell.
Maybe Tafoya's intention in sending out letters to the pastors was to stay aligned with the Biblical principle of "taking matters to the church first."
Although he wasn't necessarily trying to sway public opinion, I'm sure it was a welcomed expectation. I think he was merely trying to stay in line with Biblical standards and at the same time anticipating this issue to reach the court system.
Absolutly not! The GB asked him to appear to discuss this matter, he did, did not like what he heard and proceeded to fuel this fire. And to top it off, his name isn't even on the lawsuit. Why? Because he knows they don't stand a chance! How is that for politics.
This has been discussed ad nauseum on the older comments.
Don't play the scripture card with this one. There are to many scriptures discussing divisiveness that can be applied.
To 11:36
If the GB thinks the same way you are. This will end in court.
My goodness you all need to check your spelling before hitting the publish bar.
Horrible spelling in here.
You all need hooked on phonics.
To 11:43 AM:
We will end up in court but not because of the GB but Because of the other brothers and their attorneys that don't have a clue about legal proceedings. It is actually going to be embarrasing for the plaintiffs.
Plese tal me whare da spal sheck buttan es.
Why is Tafoya not one of the litigants? Did he come up for any positions?
To 11:36 AM,
Geesh! Don't get your calzones all bunched up. I'm not using the "scripture card".
It was just an observation, I did not in anyway make my observation dogmatic - so calmado loco.
But in response to your statement about Tafoya "not liking what he heard". First of all the board did not let him present his detailed facts/report which was the center of the whole meeting. Second of all, yes, I'm sure he was not happy with what he heard. What do you expect? Him to send the GB a dozen roses because his case fell on deaf ears? That has got to be the dumbest comment made today. Of course he didn't like what he heard, why? Because what he heard is the cause of the assembly's crippled condition.
Now, if you would like to remain stifled, then embrace and fall for anything that is told to you.
Ef ju don like the espelling, cho me gwher I can buy the hhook ponics.
The only embarrassing thing here is the AA/GB. They run our organization like a bunch of rancho chuntaros.
But thats what we get when we elect a bunch of college drop outs to run the organization. Oh, we don't get to vote. Thats right.
The La Puente Bible Schoolers tell us they have been divinely selected by God, ordained by God.
More and more they sound like that crackpot Bin Laden.
I guess this is Jihad against the Machine boys...
Gees 11:51- and you talk about getting his/her calzones in a bunch! Relax dude! Try taking out the Fleet Enema for comfort- relax!
Well I thank for agreeing not to pull the scripture card on that argument. Maybe there is some sense left in that noggin of yours.
Being that you agree with me on this matter, the rest of your argument is also stands without merit.
To 11:56 AM,
I was mildly reciprocating your attitude.
My friends, this all rests on the 600+ pastors that stood by and said yes with their vote to allow the CID to be part of the constitution.
600lb Gorilla in the corner,
Right, that's why it's so dangerous to have uneducated, some undocumented, high school drop-outs as pastors of your ORG. I'm not saying these types are useless, I'm saying your pastoral body needs to have a balance, because when you don't, your ORG will only sway one way. In this case, it swayed toward the CID, which has caused the AA to look like the leaning tower of Pisa.
Is Integrity One of Your Core Values?
to the 600 lb gorilla in the corner:
"My friends, this all rests on the 600+ pastors that stood by and said yes with their vote to allow the CID to be part of the constitution."
The cid is not part of the constitution. Read the aa.info document on this and will find out its proper place. it has been explained by the gb that the cid is comprised of c i d and that the votes are just one of the prongs for elections. votes=25% capacidad=25% idoneidad=25% derecho=25%. breakdown: votes=25% and the cid=75%. the pastors never voted for this. last but not least, the cid is a document like the other documents the aa has for policy but not for governing (i.e. divorce, restoration, nueva obra/mision/iglesia, etc.) este es mi orto hablar, hnos. y que dios les bendiga ricamente!
orto is a bad word in spanish
to the 600 lb. gorilla in the corner:
It has been well said before here in this forum that the culprit of this election dilemma is the C.I.D. document and its promoters. The pastors did vote for the approval of this but little did they know that it was going to be interpreted as it has been explained here with the 75% weight.
The promoters/authors of the C.I.D. have now become the interpreters themselves. From a view of organization, do policy makers interpret their own policy? Does it require for a separate branch to do it?
Hmmmm.. so according to the CID, votes only have 25% of the total weight in determining a candidate for position. 25% is a very small number. Goes to show how insignificant pastors are in the eyes of the GB. That would explain why pastors then turn around and make themselves to be the greatest thing in their churches - because of their lack of validation from the GB, they force it from their members.
Wish we had more mentally and emotionally sound leaders.
to 12:29 PM:
"Goes to show how insignificant pastors are in the eyes of the GB. That would explain why pastors then turn around and make themselves to be the greatest thing in their churches - because of their lack of validation from the GB, they force it from their members."
We have an oxymoron here. The gb tells the pastors that their vote counts only 25% yet through the other side of the mouth this same bunch tells the pastors, "that the most important person in the A.A. is the pastor" (President Sanchez)! Go figure that one out.
to anonymous at 12:35PM...
"Go figure that one out!"
No way Jose, if I do that; I'd go crazy!
capacidad idoneidad derecho
Can someone please explain this in english? Exactly what does this mean? CID? Whats the difference between having a ministerial license, being a pastor, leader and now must have CID?
If you need your event promoted on a whimmy, just contract it to Little Timmy.
Was that a No-Bid Contract?
To 12:51 PM,
I must say, your rhymes are hilarious!
Bishop Tafoya,
¡PdC!
Thank you for your heads-up. This is the first real letter with any substance to consult the Constitution. I will pass your recommendations under advisement and give you an official response in the next week or so.
God Bless
dgsánchez
"that the most important person in the A.A. is the pastor"
Does Sanchez really say this? First of all, he contradicts himself by making their vote count for only 25% and then saying they're the most important person. Second of all, the most important person in the AA is not the pastor, but the non-convert.
If you chose your pastors with the non-convert in mind, then you will be more selective about who you place as a pastor. This will make for more effective leadership.
Right now all you need is a pear of slacks and a good guide on brown-nosing and wala! You're a pastor. Who suffers? The new-converts do.
Daniel Sanchez, Edward Pacheco, Abel Aguilar, Sam Valverde, Rick Ramirez, Daniel Hernandez, Henry Patino, Eddie Lopez, Richard Maffey, Leobardo Maffey, Adam Lopez are righteous men!
Sincerely,
Jimmy Swaggart
Jim Jones
David Koresh
Jim Baker
Benny Hinn
Juanita Bynum
Those 3 Hookers that were with Jimmy Swaggart.
Is Rick Ramirez still pastoring?
Sorry but I do not remember hearing of a letter sent to the pastor's when they had a lawsuit against them by other groups.
Why now maybe because their trying to sway public opinion.
Just a thought.
"to censor what Bishop Tafoya had been rumoring".
Sorry you cannot rumor something that has truth in it.
Secondly what Bishop Tafoya did was only say what he already knew to be fact.
So he has not rumored anything
Where is Rick Ramirez now? What is he up to?
capacidad - Capacity
idoneidad - Suitability
derecho - Right
Is Salvador Villegas the same pastor who's wife ran off with a member from their church in Austin a few years back? Or do I have the stories mixed up?
Thats the same Pastor Villegas
He rumored that they where going to stop the Road Map seminars. The GB responds to this in the letter he posted his website.
That doesnt' count as rumor?
Those web pages AA.info, the people constantly posting on here that there is going to be a lawsuit?
Those are not rumors?
The new letter that was sent out indicating there was possible legal action coming. Is that not rumor?
Sometimes we speak without really thinking.
to perry mason:
"Those web pages AA.info, the people constantly posting on here that there is going to be a lawsuit?
Those are not rumors?
The new letter that was sent out indicating there was possible legal action coming. Is that not rumor?"
Are you being sarcastic or what?
perry mason...
As one who has access from a reliable source, the lawsuit is coming. These are not rumors! The delay and silence from the MoG has been interpreted as not coming but that is not the case. From what I understand, is that they have waited this long for two reasons: 1. Waiting for the GB to wake up as they have prayed for them during this time 2. Collecting and sampling the district conventions to see if the famous CID document was applied throughout the AA.
Refresh my memory how is perry mason...
Secondly the lawsuit is not a rumor. I know for sure. Thirdly I am not saying Art Tafoya was spreading a rumor I said he was not spreading a rumor because there is truth to what he was saying.
meant to say "who" instead of how
This is all a big mess!
There is a lot of arrogance on both sides.
They both should have humbled themselves and agreed to pray together.
The GB strong armed the former GB members and now the former GB are going to strong arm the GB back with a lawsuit!
In the past when there have been lawsuits against or by the AA, no knew details.
In this case, because of the age of the internet, a lot of people are going to know a lot of details that were not previously available to the average hermano.
For example: Did you know that the assembly spends about $200K-$300K on one convention?
Did you know that the AA headquarters receives about $1,000,000.00 a month from tithe and offerings (poor widows who recieve $50. a month).
You will know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free!
DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR ANY SIDE.
All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.
Can I purchase AA stock?
capacidad - Capacity
idoneidad - Suitability
derecho - Right
--------------------------------
That being translated, what is a CID Document? How does it apply to candidates? How can one be disqualified?
Are La Puente Bible Schoolers considered to have sufficient CAPACITY considering its a Bottom Tier, Non-Accredited School?
Being a COLLEGE DROP OUT Like Malverde says a lot about his CAPACITY.
In Corp. America, he couldn't qualify for the same position. He would be in the sales department.
If Pachuco were in Corp. America, he certainly not qualify since he was part of a scam. A major breach of his Fiduciary Duty.
Suitability? That word alone leaves huge gap for personal interpretation and bias.
What about those praying for those men to end this silliness.
Who is God listening too. I think that was the point the blog master was making when he asked for prayers for the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Is this General Board issue really an issue that God is concerned with? In all reality souls are not one at the GB level. They are won in the home bible studies, at the alter, in prison, on the street corner at the local church.
It a power struggle between the haves (GB) and the have nots (plaintiffs).
If we where standing in front of God right now, how would we plead our case?
But you see Heavenly Father, there was this election to see who would have a general board position in the Apostolic Assembly. And the constitution provides that qualifying committee disqualify elected men based on the CID document that was written and voted in by men who...
blah...
blah...
blah...
so we sent letters and created this website so that all brothers could know that we where going to file a lawsuit because we know you really want US on the General Board and not those guys over there.
It all sounds kind of stupid looking at it from that perspective. I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be a part of this!
Where can we get a copy of the AA Annual Budget?
Is it public info?
Pacheco, we know you or your lieutenants are reading this. Your days are numbered. You are a private person of public concern as a Member of the National Board.
RESIGN IMMEDIATELY!
Or you will face more Public Scrutiny of your dealings. You were an Associate of a Bernice Molina who was sentenced to PRISON for a Major Fraud Crime that swindled thousands of Dollars from Apostolic Assembly working families. Why the Arizona District Attorney did not include your name is a mystery. But rest assured, we are INVESTIGATING THE MATTER. The Court Records, Police Reports are Public Information. The Truth will come out, even if Bernice Molina took the fall for you.
Many of the hermanos that were swindled have are elderlyn or have passed on. But they cry from the grave for JUSTICE.
At the moment, our investigation into your dealings are in progress. We will not hesitate to contact representatives of law enforcement.
We URGE you STRONGLY ton RESIGN IMMEDIATELY from the National Board and as Pastor of your church.
Very well said, 600lb gorilla.
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Quote "blah...blah..blah I am ashamed and embarrassed to be a part of this"
That sounds hypocritical and very lacking in sincerity! If he was so ashamed, why does he post anyway!
Why keep the Gorilla quite any longer, you know what happens when the sleeping gorilla wakes up and your in the cage with him don't you.
600lb gorilla,
WHAT? You make absolutely no sense at all. There's a lot of things God doesn't necessarily care about. Such as, the color paint on the general offices. Type of roof on the building. How many windows on each wall. Does this mean we shouldn't care about these things, no! God made us stewards of these things and it is our job that they are handled responsibly.
God made us stewards of this organization. It is our job to make sure it is handled appropriately. We can't just bury our heads in the sand declare that "the Lord will fight my battles."
Exactly,
and the way the leaders have handled this situation is embarassing, ignorant and plain stupid.
GB "I'm a man of God"
Plaintiffs "No, I'm a man of God"
GB "No, I'm a man of God"
Plaintiff "No, I'm a man of God"
GB "No your not"
Plaitiff "Yes I am"
GB "No your not"
Plaintiff "Yes I am"
And they run to their daddy - the California court system, which isn't exactly the brightest either, to find who the real Man of God is because we all know whoever wins the lawsuit is the real Man of God. Right?
In response to:October 17, 2007 12:07 PM...Burrito-Head said...
600lb Gorilla in the corner,
Right, that's why it's so dangerous to have uneducated, some undocumented, high school drop-outs as pastors of your ORG. I'm not saying these types are useless, I'm saying your pastoral body needs to have a balance, because when you don't, your ORG will only sway one way. In this case, it swayed toward the CID, which has caused the AA to look like the leaning tower of Pisa.
This blogger's observation is to look to what scripture sets as an example of Pastors' and leaders-Read the following:
Acts 4:13 The members of the council were amazed when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, for they could see that they were ordinary men with no special training in the Scriptures. They also recognized them as men who had been with Jesus.
To 4:16 PM,
EXACTLY! "They were men who had been with Jesus." Peter and John were literally buddies with Jesus. There was no need for an education, they had the source of ALL knowledge and wisdowm at their disposal.
Now unless you're Peter or John, or you're piker buddies with Jesus (primo Chewy doesn't count) you should get an education coupled with healthy spiritiual training. Otherwise, you will have a difficult time being an effective leader. Notice, I said difficult - not impossible.
Hey burrito head,
You done said what I was fixin to say but the words didn't wanna come fast enough.
To Burrito head and Gorilla:
Ya'll have lost me.
To Burrito head and Gorilla:
Ya'll have lost me.
Whatever happened to Nu Vision? Does anyone remember when they walked around the conventions with body guards? Or better yet, remember when the crowd threw their CDs on stage at one of the Jubilee functions?
Where are they now?
To any AA history buffs out there- is there a list of the GB members in the last 10-15 years, if so, what capacity and tenure they served?
Second response to:October 17, 2007 12:07 PM...Burrito-Head said...
600lb Gorilla in the corner,
Agree with statement (life and spiritual). So...we will give ourselves to the reading of the sacred text and to prayer-while seeking to gain a proper worldview through education be it self or guided. Thus becoming a group of people made of diverse colors and thoughts, yet all progressing to impact our world.
Mrs Chenny repoted yesterday that while researching their family tree they have found out that Uncle Dickie and Obama are distant couisins..Hearing this Malverde called an press conferance and stated that he just found out that he is Rev. Al Sharpton's Uncle.
To 4:51 PM,
Beautifully stated! Now if the AA only knew how to execute this wonderful concept that is common to most mainstream Christian movements.
NU-Vision?
More like No-Vision.
Dumb.
Nu-vision.
I heard Peter Hernandez left his dad's church.
It's now a broken-vision
We, the electoral commission, counted the votes and then we sent the tabulation sheets with the results to the Qualifying Board. To our surprise and amazement, when the candidates were introduced by the President of the Elections, it was shocking to hear the names of people who had not received enough votes to qualify as candidates. We, the Electoral Commission members, just looked at each other in amazement as we heard the names of the candidates called out. We could hardly believe what was going on before our own eyes. For a moment there, we thought we had entered the wrong auditorium and that perhaps the results that we had provided the Qualifying Board were being presented in another auditorium altogether.
To 5:16 PM,
Please quote your sources. I recognize this excerpt from aa.info - others may not.
sorry
The source is Abel Torres. Not AA.info. AA.info is a receptacle.
so what's the deal with nu-vision walking in to convention with body guards? Never heard of that one.
The "Wilhelm scream" has been heard at the president office lately.
S V
3. He preaches a lot about
about ethics. Which is good,
when you live ethical.
The first piece of land he
purchased in fontana, well,
I can't spill the beans for
obvious reasons.
Can somebody elaborated on this case?
Case...what case there is no case. Please get your facts straight before you post
Pope names 23 cardinals; 1st for Texas.
After hearing this Malverde said he wanted a recount.
Guess this ends his chances for the popehood
I like to call Chinese people named Wong and say, "Hello, is this the Wang residence?"
Then they say, "No, this is the Wong household."
"Oh so solly. It looks like I wang the Wong number."
Thank God we live in America, where even a psychopath can make a good living, thanks to our freedoms that allow reptiles like Valverde to bottle and sell snake oil as “revelation.”
Matthew 24:12
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
The wickiness of Sanchez, Valverde, Espinoza, Guzman and Gaxiola is causing the people to lose their faith in church.
I hope you 5 are happy and proud of what u have done!
Pastoral Degrees
During your pastor search you may encounter a variety of different pastoral degrees as you review resume's. What do they all mean? What's the difference?
Here's a list of the most common degrees.
Associate of Arts (A.A.) - This is a two year degree. Some bible colleges offer this degree for people who want to get an overview of the bible and theology. This is not typically considered a pastoral degree.
Bachelor of Science (B.S.) - This is a four year degree, but requires fewer courses than the Bachelor of Arts degree (see below).
Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) - This is the standard four year college degree. Many bible colleges and Christian colleges offer some type of ministry B.A. degree. Some even offer courses in Greek and Hebrew, the languages the Bible was originally written in. There are a lot of people pastoring churches that only have a bachelor's degree. However, the B.A. is generally not considered to be a among the primary pastoral degrees.
Master of Divinity (M.Div.) - This degree is specifically designed for people entering the ministry. It is the most common of all pastoral degrees. It is a three year graduate degree and requires either the B.A. or B.S. degree prior to entrance into the program. Most seminaries offer the M.Div. This pastoral degree provides an overview of the bible and theology. It also focuses on developing a person's ability to shepherd a local church.
Master of Theology (Th.M.) - The Th.M. is a four year graduate degree and requires a bachelor's degree before entering the program. Many seminaries offer the Th.M. as a one year extension on the M.Div. degree. However, at least one seminary I know offers only the Th.M. This pastoral degree usually includes all the classes required of an M.Div. student. But it also adds a full year of classes designed to further strengthen the student's ability to interpret the bible. It is usually more academic in nature than the M.Div. and is required if a minister desires to get into a ministry Ph.D. program.
Doctor of Ministry (D.Min.) - This is the terminal pastoral degree for pastors and other ministers. That means it is the highest degree offered in the field. A person must possess either a Master of Divinity or Master of Theology degree to enter most Doctor of Ministry programs. It is typically a four-year program. What is unique about the D.Min. is that the pastor does not leave his ministry to work on his degree. In fact, the church itself becomes the pastor-student's laboratory for his work. Classes are held on campus either once or twice a year for one or two weeks at a time. The rest of the course work is done at home.
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) - This degree is the highest degree anyone can earn. It is usually reserved for those who want to be professors or researchers at colleges or graduate schools.
Doctor of Theology (Th.D.) - This pastoral degree is basically the same as a Doctor of Philosophy. It seems like some seminaries just preferred to use the word "theology" in the degree title! However, most seminaries now use the Doctor of Philosophy title for their highest pastoral degree.
This list shows the incredible variety of pastoral degrees available. Your task is to determine your preferred level of education and your minimum level. That decision alone will help you shrink the pile of pastor resume's you are going through.
Pastoral Degree
Interview for becoming a Pastor in the AA.
Do you speak English? Jezz
What experiences do u have that will help you lead a church.?
I lead lawn mowers over many lawns.
Do promise to send us the money?
Jezzz
ok your hired
but u have to take a tomo class! ok
Zaragosa
Whats the scoop with his choir director and why is he still there?
This page is not about choir directors, groups, choirs, musicians. Its about the GB of the AA. Please stick to the topic.
Most Qualified Bishop of All Time Award goes to:
Leobardo Maffey
Education: Uknown
Theology Degree: Tomos I, Tomos II
Church Pastorship: Took over church from his Pappi. Membership when he took over: 110
Current Membership: 100
Souls Baptised: 000
Charity: Gave $50 to Flor Azul
Relations: Richard Maffey
Favorite Sermon: Como hacer un Pavo by Sam Malverde
Leobardo Maffey???
Who is he?
Skoop on the property in Fontana. It was sold to the church by an estate. The executor of the estate was elderly and lived back east. Supposedly, his sister wanted him to sell the property and give the proceeds to her heirs. He didn't realize the true value of the property until after he signed the contract. He realized he made a mistake and tried to get more for the property, the fair market value. Sam the scam threatened to sue him if he did anything. A contract is a contract afterall. So, our good bishop vp took advantage of a grieving elderly man. But a contract is a contract.
Again half truths. No grieving elderly were taken advantage of to obtain this property. Where do you get your information from??
sounds just like sam.
He is a very sneaky guy!
ask his own ex-brother in law Mena.
So Jim Mena is your reputable source?? That's funny!
Leo maffey took over the church of his dad in 2nd Santa Ana. They came out of CT originally and most of the people there are from other churches. They grew to a peek of about 100 members and are currently down to about 90 after about 20+ years.
That't the bishop's church!
Ex Brother In Law? What happen?
Half Truths? So you admit part of the skoop is true.
No one here has said that Mena is sole source for information on Valverde.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that something is awfully wrong with valverde's method's. An accumulation of lot's of sources including my own observations would make the vp's cut throat style very clear!
My friend!
Ex Brother in Law...yes, what happened is between him and his family. He is just not a credible source
Records can be dug up. The executor can still be asked about the situation. Whats to hide?
If we claim to have the truth, why have our churches not grown since the hippie era?
Someone once said, "well this walk isn't just for anyone." But come on, Jesus had multitudes following him because he preached the truth. His following was so huge that he had the attention of kings and governors. The only political attention we have is from Gaddi Vazquez. Yippie!
I'm starting to wonder about all of this. The REAL truth seems to be unraveling right before my eyes.
Isn't Jimmy Mena the Assistant Pastor of FOT? Or am I missing something?
Mena was asked by valverde to resign from Redlands church because of some family issues involving sam's relatives.
Sam was worried that it would impact his chances of accending to the highest office in the AA someday. He asked Mena to resign as pastor from the Redlands church.
The bishop of the IDC did not agree, but was forced to carry out the wishes of Sam as a board member. Sam dictated to Bishop Jimenez to remove Mena. The Bishop didn't agree and boycotted the announcement services at Redlands church. He sent Sergio Maffey and sergio told the congregation that the bishop did not agree but that this was being dictated to him.
I would not hold that against Sam, business is business.
It is not meant to sound cold, but it is a reality. And you don't understand that you don't understand business.
As for all these remarks about Sam selling fruit or oranges, do you not realize God has brought us all a mighty long way. My mother can tell you stories of when she used to pick cotton and grapes back in the day, now both my parents are very comfortably retired. I do not belittle her because of that, I hold them high because they have made opportunities for us that they themselves did not have. I'm glad I don't have to sell oranges and to be frank with you I'm glad Sam isn't selling oranges anymore either, we all must grow and mature in God's will.
I would be willing to wage if you are at least 2 generation AAFCJ, someone in your family has been a migrant worker at some time.
Our previous generation has labored hard, I would not spite them in that manner. All that kind of talk does is show your jealosy towards him.
As for the La Puente school remarks, we have to take education where we can get it. I'm all for education. I will spend hundreds of thousand of dollars sending my kids to college. My parents had to get the education from where they could afford it and in our previous generation that may be the best they could. We have to respect those before us that dealt with poverty, racism and still found a way to educate themselves. Because it was not Harvard or Yale does not make them less of a person.
If it does, I will be happy to put my Ivy League education against your state run college education and show how insignificant your education is but then again no one benefits from that.
I agree that the lack of education has put us in this situation but we did not get here over night. It has been festering and boiling until it finally spilled over. It is not one person but rather several generations fault.
But they have done good also, we must build on the good and correct the bad, it is my legacy, your legacy and the legacy of those before us.
At least Gaddi can tell a good story. I never heard a turkey sermon from him. Well, he's just a name dropper.
"While I was on the way to service, I got a call from my very good friend President and Mrs. Bush asking me how my visit with my beloved counselor Pope John Paul III went. I said while I was in line to meet with my friend the Pope John Paul III, I was talking to my very good friend Brad Pitt who was standing next to my other good true friend Benny Hinn, who runs a multiBILLION DOLLAR MISNISTRY"......
He needs to become a Democrat.
Jim Mena Sr. use to go to FOT any years ago and was the asst. pastor to valverde.
He later went on to pastor redlands church and was ousted by his brother-in-law Valverde.
Mena's son may now attend FOT.
To 9:43
That's just it, there is nothing to hide. No one was taken advantage of.
the petitioner are demanding a resignation and a re-election. In addition we demand Sanchez, Slick Sam, Pachueco Pacheco resign thier pastorship. Does anyone know why Art Espinoza left East Palo Alto Church. I wonder what pastorship was promised to him by his close relative Sanchez.. I wonder if he was promised the church who's pastor they are forcing to resign. Does anyone know?
What happened to the FOT minister that got a doctor's degree and was also cut lose by valverde. Leonardo or something. The guy says the same thing...that valverde is cut throat.
Like the guy above said about valverde "Business is business"
Mena what a good guy he is.
Who is the pastor that is being asked to resign?
I have no problem with malverde being a graduate from La Puente. However, he has told me personally that he has a bachelors in biology from San Diego State. Soon after graduating, he was called to full time ministry. Turns out, his degree is from La Puente, not San Diego State.
And this is our VP?
Bishop Guillermo Mendoza
Sanchez, Malverde, Pacheco, Prado have such good testimonies that they are shining examples of Christ.
NOT.
Sorry, but Mother Theresa had more Charity of Christ in her little pinky finger than any of the GB put together.
Sad to say, but the Fred Jordan Mission does more Christ than the AA GB.
Bro. Sam example "business is business" great christian example. My opinion of this is that Sanchez has no more to gain from this. He is the president.. Its crystal clear the one to gain is Valverde.. What does the Bible state: "The root of all evil is Money" Sam is fighting tooth and nail to become president. Maybe someone should let him know that he needs to wake up and say Rachel its not gonna happen.
Why is willie mendoza being asked to resign?
Malverde's bio says he went to UCSD. Studied bio. It doesnt say he graduated.
He dropped out of College and went to a bottom tier unacredited school LOGOS/La Puente Bible School.
He's a master of spin.
He says he was "called" to ministry. Thats why he says he quit/dropped out of school. Wow. He really limited the Almighty God with that line. I mean, Dr. Mark Amin was "called" to ministry. He continued his studies while ministering. Dr. Amin is a man of God. Sam invokes God for convenience. But rest assured, God is not so limited Sam.
Valverde wants to be president real, real bad!!
Sanchez really didn't ever feel worthy, but he isn't standing up during this whole fiasco.
His style is best when he negotiates. This attitude that apparently he said "We're going to kick some _ SS" is going to backfire.
I think this time everything catches up to the AA GB.
I agree Sam is ultimate spin miester!!!
I have heard him preach about stuff and I wonder why this guy pumps himself up so much!! I don't think half of the people that hear him catch it.
Not all people are fooled. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
By the way, La Puente Bible School is a TRINITARIAN skool.
Figuers. A school that can't get their math right, ONESS, is doomed to produce flunkies.
The premis of LOGOS is the TRINITY. Baptism, TRINITY.
How did Bush call it? Them be practicing Fuzzy Math.
Well, their Alumnus are practicing fuzzy math in our beloved organization.
2-600 does not equal victory.
It makes me mad that he actually lied to me. This is not chisme either, he told me personally, and I remember it cleary that he had a degree in Biology from San Diego State.
He even talked me out of going to bible school because I needed an actual degree to fall back on in case ministry didn't work out for me. Now I'm wondering if he just wanted me to get a good degree, so I can have a good career, and increase his income through my tithes.
All you need to do is follow his example.
Drop out of college and marry his daughter. You'll be fixed up for the rest of your life.
whats this that the GB demands a detail financial report of all the churchs. Who do they report themselves too.. Crooks reporting to crooks
RESIGN!!!!!! RESIGN!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO WE THE CHURCH PEOPLE NEED TO DO!!!! RESIGN!!!!!! RESIGN!!!!
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