Thanks to a few iReporters this describes where we are in the Valverde debacle....
Tu Papa wrote:In case you missed it, I shall I summarize what has happened:
1.) Edward Pacheco was ousted by his cousin Sam Valverde within the last month or so. (I believe it happened after Edward got mad at Sam and confronted him about altering pastor Arellano’s resolution and ALTERED THE AMOUNT OF THE RESOLUTION FROM $600K TO ALMOST $10,000,000 using this forged document for The Fountain Church refinance loan (assisted by Andrew Rodriguez). That was a nice commission you and Ocho got!
2.) Sam Valverde decides he will quiet Eddie and removes him based on a lame excuse. BTW, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out Eddie was doing something “shady”. They are both cut from the same cloth…cousins!
3.) Eddie sends out a “Tell All” letter on some dirt about his cousin, Sam. (This letter had to have been authorized by Eddie’s attorney, otherwise it would be slander).
In the letter Eddie accuses Sam Valverde of the following:
a.) 1st San Bernardino church was raped of $1,000.000 cash to steer to Sam Valverde’s church. (I guess the SB church members are not worthy of their own building because The Fountain Church needs to build a mega building)
b.) San Jose Church had a resolution that was drawn up for Corona church altered (forged) to get more loans for Sam Valverde’s church. ($9,770,000 lien on San Jose).
c.) Solano Beach church was raped of their future by allowing Sam Valverde to put another lien on their property. (ALTERED RESOLUTION TO INCREASE TO Millions).
d.) Unauthorized email access was done of a board member's email account, General Secretary Daniel Solomon. It was done at least once by Sam Valverde’s wife, Rachel Contreras Valverde and consequentially many times through the years by Sam Pacheco Valverde.
FOUR CRIMINAL THINGS DONE BY Sam Valverde & company:
1.) Changed and forged name of resolutions designated for another church to The Fountain Church.
2.) Forged and changed amount of agreed resolution from $600k to almost $10,000,000 on at least 2 different churches. That's financial rape!
3.) Illegally took $1,000,000 cash from the San Bernardino church and hermano's for The Fountain Church
4.) Both Sam and Rachel illegally hacked bishop Solomon's email account. Federal & State crime!
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So if someone does take Valverde to court. I asked, my attorney who a Senior partner in our firm. Valverde is up a creek. All it takes is one person suing him for something civil and when discovery begins. When they discover about the emails. This information is now public record thanks to Pacheco. It could get really ugly before this gets any better
John Matthews, is there not one good person in Sodom and Gammorah?
they are some that are cut from the same .. piece of.....
Well, what SV. has done been going on and is going on with 'Men of God' who believe they have to get theirs from the church... they have the church buy them their new cars.. homes... new computers.. and even new wives..
I talked to one pastor.. uneducated, said he couldn't get a job if he lost the church.. this same pastor was reporting half of the 250.000 that his church gets in tithes and offerings.. to the assembly.. one pastor.. that I know of.. wanted to get married 2 months after his first wife had died.. it is believed he was already.. "hooking up" with this widowed sister.. and she had the dirt on him...
but you have those that are sincere, use their money to help the church.. use up their beat up old car to take people to church.. use their rented home or apt.. to house those in need. only to be paid back in the worst way.. there are those MEN OF GOD AND THEIR FAMILES.......that go out of their way to further the gospel.. not the assembly but the gospel... not to grow the 'church' but to grow the CHURCH.. and they are struggling to feed their families.. while others go on vacations... and use the churches money to take their two week vacations every other month.. because of all the stress they are going through because of the pressures of the church.. THERE ARE MEN OF GOD OUT THEIR THAT ARE not after the money.. there are sincere people out there.
I know one pastor that used the general fund to build his house near the church. and he justified it by saying.. I AM THE PASTOR AND I NEEDED A PLACE TO LIVE... look into that LUGO.. that is in your district..
I am starting to see less and less of SANANtonio
I love the collapse option...first thing I do is click on the orange "B" next to Santone name and collapse all his blogs and then I start reading...
LOL! HAHAHAHAHA
I also sit in the church at FTC. Many of the leaders and those around our pastor are acting like nothing happened.
But us who are not considered in and are observing from the congregation can't believe what our pastor did.
We do have tithes in the neighborhood of $45k-$55k but it is starting to go way down! That is why we had to refinance. I know because I have ways to find out. Many of our members pay an average of $400-$600 dollars. That is the medium range, some much more and some less.
But I am not in agreement with the our pastor.
If our pastor had mortgage paper changed to reflect our church that was legally intended for another church?
I think that would NOT be considered an "administrative" error! They call that in the legal community, embezzlement.
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By Christina Bush, CES, CAS, CMFC
WEALTH MANAGER
There are some very important facts to know about non-profit organizations before donating to them or making the commitment to sit on the Board of Directors for one. Although there are many amazing chartities that do great work, an estimated $40-50 billion per year is lost to fraud in non-profits and scandal is found in nearly 20% of philanthropic organizations, according to the New York Times. Charities need to tighten controls against theft, especially in a tough economy. It is wise to be skeptical and first do your due diligence before involving yourself or your financial support.
Nonprofit organizations and faith-based houses of worship make the headlines almost weekly about theft of funds, embezzlement, corruption, fraud, health/safety violations and misconduct.
Board members personal assets can be in jeopardy if the non-profit organization is not paying its federal employee taxes.
Many non-profit groups use grant funding for inappropriate activities.
Losses caused by founders/managers are four times those caused by employees.
The embezzler is typically always the person the organization would least expect to be a thief. The most typical theft in charities is committed by a female employee with no criminal record who earns less than $50,000 a year and has worked for the charity for at least three years. (wow, can you say "Raquel Valverde?!")
Non-profits should be suspicious of people in positions of authority and trust who are operating on the edge of financial ruin and those who refuse to share duties. They may behave in a desperate manner and steal donations.
Fraud is usually committed by someone in the financial area -- the founder, the treasurer, the bookkeeper, the signer of checks -- who knows how to avoid getting caught. Many times they will create fraudulent financial documents and evade sharing bank statements with the other board members.
The most costly abuses occur in organizations with less than 100 employees.
Careful practices should be established about how the money and financial documents of the organization should be handled. Different people should be assigned separate functions of managing the finances -- writing checks, signing checks, reconciling bank accounts and checking the cancelled checks that are returned from the bank. Three people should work together for this task if possible
Boards should regularly meet without management present. They should also seek assistance from outside professionals in designing and implementing internal controls that focus on management fraud.
All 501(c)3 organizations must have a clearly written Mission Statement.
Non-profits may NOT campaign to support or oppose the candidacy of anyone running for an elected office.
No founder may be treated as if he/she 'owns' the organization.
Each board member has equal voting rights and equal liability for making sure the charity is run according to proper standards. All board members will be held accountable for the governance of the organization.
The organization must have established by-laws that they operate in accordance with.
Personal loans to board members are prohibited.
If any staff member earns over $50,000 per year it needs to be reported to the IRS.
No board member should participate in a board decision that benefits himself or his family.
Um, I think all these practices should be part of our organization as well, don't you think?
Collateral = Security pledged.
FTC member - Your Shepard has pledged up the lambs of another flock to cover your flamboyancy.
Your marble, your granite, your sound, your lights, your stage, your carpet, your toilet paper. Truth is you are driving a car that you cannot afford. So start winning some souls grow that congregation to cover your debt.
FTC Member - It's time you pick up the weight of your own desires, and understand your accommodations are being provided from the tamale sales of the women of San Jose, San Bernardino, and other churches.
Divide 12,000,000.00 by the total membership of FTC. That's what you each owe to attend that facility.
If each of the 1500 FTC members would contribute 8,000.00 each problem would be solved today. As long as you follow this man you must pay for your pleasure.
The organization should maintain a Board Book - a notebook that contains Articles of Incorporation, By-Laws, minutes to board meetings, past 3 years tax returns and annual financials.
An internal audit should be performed at least annually.
Non-profits are excused from filing a 990 return if the organization has annual donations of less than $25,000.
Non-profits do not have owners like for-profit organizations do. A board of directors guides and oversees the organization
@OfflineChatter: But nay, my brother, what is really happening is that they are in line at Starbucks, laughing bro. They are having lunch at the over-priced $$$$ steakhouse all gathered around and laughing all the way to the bank. They are on their golf courses while everyone else is having a BBQ or tamale sale to raise funds for their churches. They are planning the next Disney World Vacation of a lifetime while the poor hermanos try to figure out where their next meal will come from or how they will pay their light bill. Very, very dangerous and wreckless behavior!!
A board's primary responsibility is 'to uphold the public trust' and make sure the rights and privileges of the organization are not abused.
A board of directors has the fiduciary responsibility for ensuring that the funds are properly spent and to make sure that set standards are adhered to. They have legal responsibility and 3 main duties:
*Care: Be a prudent board member and pay attention to what is going on and make decision based on good information.
*Loyalty: put the organization's welfare above other interests when making decisions.
*Obedience: Act in accordance with the non-profit's missions and goals.
Each board member is responsible for reviewing the organization's budget and staying informed of the financial situation. They must insist on good reporting -- financial reports should be kept up to date and distributed at each board meeting for review (at least quarterly).
Paid staff should not serve on the Board of Directors. This is a conflict of interest and poses potential problems. Embezzlement is possible and the board should always take steps to detect it.
If a founder or other paid staff member serves on the board, he/she SHOULD NOT BE ELECTED PRESIDENT because it tends to keep all responsibility for vision and leadership in a single person's hand.
If staff is being paid, a payroll system should be established and proper taxes should be withheld.
Non-profit organizations are expected to spend cautiously and honor the trust placed in them by their donors
Finances of the non-profit should always be kept separate from the finances of the founders or other board members. Two signatures should be required on checks and bank transfers over a set amount. All bank statements should be retained in organized files for all board members to easily access along with an itemized list of any purchases made or donations received.
Worker's Compensation insurance is required by law if the non-profit has paid workers. If someone is injured as a result of duties performed the organization can be sued.
Board members should be covered by Directors' and Officers' Insurance. Insurance of this type protects the organization against employee theft or embezzlement.
I would bet you not even ONE-FOURTH of the basic non-profit rules are implemented in our organization!!
@Dacio
Internal audit would not do much, as the books would reflect was it already known. The question still remains, what will you do with what you already know. Nothing I tell you. Time will disperse the smoke and things will remain as they are as they have been and will be.
Type the words "descendants of saul" in Google and then you will understand my point. Maybe we are doomed from heritage.
Have a great day bloggers "put those rocks down, and look in the mirror" We are all guilty of something. SV is just the worst of us.
@OfflineChatter - at some point, someone is going to wise up, someone one is going to say "enough is enough!", I believe we only hit the tip of the iceberg. We should demand an EXTERNAL audit, (man can you hear the shredders going off right now!), I would venture to say that there would be A LOT more uncovered!! Lies, deceptions, secrecy, fraud and a whole slew of other unsavory business practices!!
Los Angeles News: Compton pastor arrested for embezzlement.
Wednesday, August 19, 2009
COMPTON, Calif. (KABC) -- A pastor has been arrested for allegedly embezzling more than $800,000 from the Double Rock Baptist Church in Compton.
Eugene Joshua Sims, 47, was arrested Wednesday by Los Angeles County Sheriff's detectives. He is being held on $1.2 million bail.
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Pastor Sims is accused of diverting offerings members gave to the church into his private bank account. The alleged embezzlement occurred between March 7, 2000 and September 30, 2008.
"We searched the church and Pastor Sims' home and I recovered used or old check stubs and receipts of items that he purchased," said Det. Danny Coon from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. "We also were able to uncover the money trail on where the money was going from the surplus church funds into the separate accounts."
Coon says members of the church contacted him nearly a year ago. They were concerned that funds from the church were missing and got suspicoius after Pastor Sims started living a luxurious lifestyle.
"One of the things he did was he purchased a high-end $100,000-plus Mercedes-Benz. He built an indoor swimming pool to his house. He has a very elaborate house out in the city of Corona, which is a far cry from the houses you see here in Compton," said Coon.
There's nothing extravagant about the exterior of the church itself, which is partially obscured by scaffolding.
A woman who identified herself only as Kim says her aunt has been a longtime member of the Double Rock Baptist Church.
"I'm just shocked," said Kim. "But that's what happens at a lot of these churches in our community."
Sims took over as pastor of the church in 1999. Membership has since grown to about 4,000.
"Most of the church members that I spoke to are longtime 30, 40 year members of the church and several of them are deacons of the church, and they are in outrage," said Coon.
One member of the congregation that talked to Eyewitness News says she stands behind Pastor Sims. She says that he has worked very hard over the past 10 years to turn things around at the church.
In addition to the embezzlement charge, detectives say Sims is also accused of witness tampering. When some church members raised questions, he allegedly threatened them not to say anything.
If convicted, Sims faces seven years in state prison. He's scheduled to be arraigned on Thursday.
Eyewitness News reporters Leo Stallworth and Robert Holguin contributed to this report.
Former Clearlake pastor arrested for allegedly embezzling from church
Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:33 Lake County News reports
CLEARLAKE, Calif. – A Stockton man has been arrested for allegedly embezzling more than $100,000 from a Clearlake church where he previously was pastor.
Bruce Anthony Stark, 62, was arrested by Elk Grove Police Department on an outstanding Clearlake Police Department warrant for grand theft on Saturday, March 16, according to Clearlake Police Sgt. Nick Bennett.
Stark was booked into the Lake County Jail on Wednesday, March 20, for felony grand theft, with bail set at $40,000. Jail records indicated he later posted the required percentage of bail and was released.
Bennett said the case began in 2008 when members of the Hilltop Apostolic Church in Clearlake reported they were victims of a vehicle theft, misappropriation of church funds and grand theft of church property.
Stark was hired by the church as pastor in 2002. Between 2002 and 2007 it is alleged that he embezzled cash and property in excess of $100,000, Bennett said.
Clearlake Police Det. Carl Stein began a lengthy investigation which involved numerous cash transactions and illegal property mortgage collateral loans involving church properties where Stark converted the monies for his personal use, according to Bennett.
During the course of the investigation Det. Stein uncovered additional crimes Stark may have been involved in but were occurring in other jurisdictions, Bennett said.
After interviewing 26 people who were involved in the Clearlake case, reviewing years of bank statements and multiple county records, the case was submitted to the Lake County District Attorney’s Office for a complaint, Bennett said.
Bennett said the Lake County Superior Court issued the arrest warrant for Stark in December 2012.
Stark’s booking sheet said he is scheduled to appear in Lake County Superior Court on Monday, April 2.
CLEARLAKE POLICE DET. CARL STEIN BEGAN A LENGTHY INVESTIGATION WHICH INVOLVED NUMEROUS CASH TRANSACTIONS AND ILLEGAL PROPERTY MORTGAGE COLLATERAL LOANS INVOLVING CHURCH PROPERTIES WHERE STARK CONVERTED THE MONIES FOR HIS PERSONAL USE, ACCORDING TO BENNETT.
Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Pastor arrested over embezzlement of $18m
Pastor and Founder of one of Singapore's richest church has been arrested in Singapore by a Corporate Affairs Department, a police unit for embezzling of about $18m donated by members of his church.
The church, City Harvest Church boast a size of 30,000 members was registered as a charity and its one of the largest and riches churches in Singapore.
Pastor Kong Hee and four other executives were arrested for diverting $18m (SG$23m) earmarked for charitable projects and spent money on a bid by the pastor’s wife, Ho Yeow Sun, to launch an evangelical music career in the United States.
The church, which has affiliates in neighbouring Malaysia and other countries, is famous for services that resemble pop concerts.
“It’s confirmed that five persons were arrested and Kong Hee is one of them,” a police spokesman told AFP.
All five, who are out on bail, have also been suspended from their church positions.
Kong and his wife, whose whereabouts were unknown, became minor celebrities in Singapore for launching the church, which authorities estimate had a congregation of about 33,000 and net assets of Sg$103 million in 2009.
In a post on popular microblogging site Twitter on Tuesday morning, Kong tweeted a Bible Psalm in Mandarin saying God will protect him from evil.
Authorities began an investigation in 2010 after receiving complaints about the misuse of the funds, the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports, which oversees charitable institutions, said in a press release.
“Financial irregularities of at least Sg$23 million from the Charity’s funds have been discovered,” it said.
“There was a concerted effort to conceal this movement of funds from its stakeholders.”
The five will be charged in court on Wednesday and if convicted, each of them could face life imprisonment as well as a fine.
Church officials contacted by AFP did not comment.
In 2009, a prominent Buddhist monk heading one of Singapore’s largest charities was jailed for six months for misappropriating hospital funds and lying about it to authorities.
Why do you all think that Valverde resigned SO QUICKLY and ON HIS OWN?! The writing is on the wall people! It is their waiting to be uncovered! Look at business and personal bank statements - the paper trail will tell the story - get a clue folks!
ILLEGAL PROPERTY MORTGAGE COLLATERAL LOANS INVOLVING CHURCH PROPERTIES!!
He might still be the pastor, and might not be removed, but I tell you one thing, his church membership is about to dwindle down! It is only the beginning!
Who wants to hear a LIAR open his mouth every Sunday!!
Hey Dacio,
The Assembly does take the taxes, social security and does have worker's compensation, plus it does have commericial insurance which includes embezzlement.
I don't think those are things we should be focusing on though. The real problem is that the AA bylaws were violated. As an organization you tell the government how you are going to operate your corporation, once you start violating your own bylaws you are now being "dishonest" and that is considered illegal.
In the case of Sam Valverde, he did not following the bylaws and worse he may have "forged" paperwork. There is where he crossed the line into criminal activity.
Let me ask anyone if you were to change the names on a mortgage document or the amounts on a document, would you be committing fraud? Of course you would!
Then what is the difference with our pastor?
He's a criminal too!
I'm just observing from my seat at FTC. That's my point of view.
@FTCMember - so now then the question remains: who, from the Fontana Church, will take a stand? Who will make this wrong right? The evidence, and confession, is clear.
Personally, I would not believe anything that this man regurgitates from his mouth!
Dacio,
The greatest stand we can do is stop attending or completely stop tithing!
Other than that, we have NO authority!
It really is sad!
I wouldn't care to bump into him anywhere here in California! He is a liar and a thief!!!
Well he is a good speaker, even if he plagiarized it from world renown preachers.
LOL
If I see him in any of our services throughout the district and beyond, I am GOING HOME, do you hear me? I am GOING HOME because I will not and can not hear the words of a liar and a cheat!!!
Please, he uses huge words people didn't even know existed and his grammar and speech is way out of syntax as well!! An English teacher's nightmare!!
But just because he is a good speaker, integrity means everything to me.
I had already lost a lot of respect for the man because of injustice I saw him handle with former relatives of his that attended here.
Once they left, he has cut them off! He used them and he has no communication whatsoever with them!
Someone may ask the question, why don't they call him up and try to contact him.
He won't accept their calls! He is the one that was the president of the Assembly. He should be the one to make a little effort to call or stay in touch.
But if you know him he will greet you with a slow robotic move (acting). As long as he has use for you, he will greet you. The moment you leave his church he will no longer greet you cordially. He is cold and callous toward you!
That's my pastor! I'm here to pray for him so that God's judgment won't continue to be harsh on him and his wife!
The storm is coming!
Poor pastors of the AA that got stepped on! This, we are now finding out, was in the name of the almighty dollar and NOT the Name of our Almighty God!!!
Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Pastor arrested for embezzlement
The senior pastor at a Round Rock church who resigned amid a criminal investigation is now in police custody.
Officals say Donald Roger "Roddy" Clyde, 48, the former pastor of the Fellowship at Forest Creek Church, was in the process of being booked into the Williamson County Jail Wednesday night on embezzlement charges. He is accused of taking money from the Fellowship at Forest Creek Church.
According to the church, their accounting department found questionable activity in their books, which they described as a possible misuse of church funds by the pastor. Deeming it suspicious, they turned that information over to the Round Rock Police Department.
Clyde resigned from his position as Senior Pastor on Monday. He is cooperating with police in their investigation.
Long-time church member Denise Rucker says the congregation learned about the allegations from church leaders. "Maybe he wasn't practicing everything he was preaching, but his message was good, his message was clear, it came from the Bible and it applied to our everyday lives," said Rucker.
According to the church, Clyde had been a pastor of their congregation since 1992.
Seeing little of SANTONE.. BUT .. could it be that Dacio Vega is now SANTONE?????... just bloggin under a different name.???
No, JayJay, for real bro I am not that idiot! I'm just a concerned member of the AA friend! LOL!
I think SANTONE knows he was wasting his time knowing how we could collapse his comments! I'm glad to be rid of him! Now we can have conversations!! Plus, I have always been a member of this blog for a long time using my real name bro!
JayJay, read the previous comments where he and I argued over his rants! LOL
ALBION, Ill. — A judge in Edwards County, Ill., has lowered the bond for a former minister accused of embezzling more than $300,000 from his church.
Jason Laws, 44, of Albion, Ill., is the former administrative pastor of the House of Prayer in Albion. During a hearing Tuesday morning, Judge Tim Neubauer reduced Laws' bond from $30,000 cash to $10,000 cash on a class-X felony charge of theft of over $100,000 from a place of worship. He also faces two additional felony charges of forgery.
Testifying in support of the motion to lower the former pastor's bond were his mother, Betty Laws, his wife Telisa; Mac Dalton, the current pastor of the House of Prayer; and his sisters, Vicki Harris and Julie Laws.
In addition to arguing the motion to reduce bond, Laws waived his right to a preliminary hearing and waived formal arraignment, entering a plea of not guilty to all charges against him.
A condition of Laws' bond if he can post bail is that he report to the Edwards County Probation Officer weekly pending trial. A pretrial hearing in the case has been set for Jan. 10 in Edwards County Circuit Court in Albion. For now, Laws remains in the White County jail at Carmi awaiting trial.
SV is getting away with it folks! Believe it!
Throughout the news, I see that Pastors are being arrested for way less than $9,000,000.00 dollars. Some even going to jail for embezzling just under $30,000.00 dollars.
It's gonna take someone real smart and wise to bring this out!
But God will have the last word!
Hey even Dacio is Santone (which I don't think he is)
You sound much better than Santone. So either its not Santone or you have improved your ways.
Dacio, easy on the cut & paste, ok? Don't over do it! LOL!
sorry...
I meant "even if Dacio is Santone..."
Hey that was a good point though!
Props to Jay Ponce! for making the comparison between Dacio & Santone
Dacio kind of took over Santone's spot but a little better than Santone!
Lol man you guys are crazy lol but I wanted to show that for any amounts and situations they prosecute Pastors. Ok cutting down on cut and paste lol. It takes only ONE Fontana member to make the difference. Only one.
@FTCMember - you don't have to be "smart"...one just needs "courage" to stand up for what is right.
I predict that if the leaders do not remove Sam Valverde from our church at FTC as pastor, this will come back to haunt all the general board members.
It's gonna be worse if they leave him in.
That would be a cover up and that is always the way the law gets you!
If he had any ounce of morality left in him he would resign for the sake of the congregation so that they will continue on their walk with the Lord uninterrupted. But since he has proven himself as selfish I really don't think that is going to happen. But that will leave him wide open for a federal investigation!
@JohnMatthews - any news my brother? Wonder how Sunday will go tomorrow?
The tithes the jews paid to the Levites priesthood. Since Christ resurrected from the dead no one is requires to be under the Levite priesthood anymore.
In addition cash was never a tithed, alright?
Only tithe of the land, including:
1. seed
2. fruit of the tree
NO CASH
Lev_27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD
1. tithe of the herd
2. of the flock
3. whatever passes under the rod
NO CASH
Lev_27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Num_18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithe of the firstlings of thy flock
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes
Deu_12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
1. tithes of seed
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes to the Levites or to anybody
Deu_14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
again no cash was ever paid as tithes to the Levites or anybody, alright?
Deu_14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
5. tithes of honey
6. and of all the increase of the field
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
2Ch_31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
1. the tithe of oxen
2. and sheep
again no cash was ever paid as tithes
2Ch_31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU&list=HL1365303714&feature=mh_lolz
Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Colossians 2:4
And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
1 Thessalonians 2:5
For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
2 Peter 2:
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
To be saved friend all you need is to:
1. Have faith in God.
2. Believe in The name of Christ the Lord and Savior.
3. Pray requesting Christ the Lord and Savior forgive your sins,asking Him (Christ the Lord and Savior) to come into your life to take control of your life(children should stop at this step).
4. Get baptized in the name of Christ the Lord and Savior as soon as you are able (baptism in the name of Christ the Lord and Savior is for mature adults).
5. Seek to be guided by and filled with the holy spirit each and every day of your life praying daily and enjoy the freedom the Holy Spirit gives you to speak in tongues as the Spirit of God gives you utterance and experience the love, joy, peace, and all the gifts of the Spirit God grants you! Get together with other believers for fellowship and worship. 6. Beware of Satan, his devils, demons, cult leaders, cult teachers, false teachers, false prophets, and all who demand you pay them tithes $$$!
To get baptized all you need friend is to have faith in our God and Christ our Lord and Savior, invite at the least one friend or two (the more the merrier) to witness your baptism, go to a body of water such as a pool or big bath tub, go into the pool or tub (you may invite a friend to go into the water with you to help you as you get baptized)ask your friend to pray with you as you call on the Lord saying something like "My God! Christ my Lord and Savior! Come into my life, wash me from all my sins, lead me, fill me and lead me with your Holy
Spirit now and forever I pray! Pray the above prayer before you go down and submerge yourself completely in the water. And you may say the same prayer or one similar as you come out of the water for emphasis and to ensure completeness. You can paraphrase the above prayer but it may help you to work on repeating and memorizing this prayer as best as you can before getting in the water to get baptized and to talk about your plans for baptism with your friend who will go into the water with you before you do it. Have a paper certificate prepared before hand and have pen and at least one or two witnesses sign it. On the certificate it should state that you got baptized in the name of Christ the Lord and Savior as commanded by God in his holy scriptures. Include at least one scripture such as Acts 2:38
You do not need any cult leader to baptize you, alright?
And you do not need to be paying tithes to any cult and or cult leader either, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU
At Dacio Vega, I have not heard anything new. However, as the news becomes available. I will definitely report it.
The tithes the jews paid to the Levites priesthood. Since Christ resurrected from the dead no one is required to be under the Levite priesthood anymore.
In addition cash was never a tithed, alright?
Only tithe of the land, including:
1. seed
2. fruit of the tree
NO CASH
Lev_27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD
1. tithe of the herd
2. of the flock
3. whatever passes under the rod
NO CASH
Lev_27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Num_18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithe of the firstlings of thy flock
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes
Deu_12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
1. tithes of seed
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes to the Levites or to anybody
Deu_14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
again no cash was ever paid as tithes to the Levites or anybody, alright?
Deu_14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
5. tithes of honey
6. and of all the increase of the field
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
2Ch_31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
1. the tithe of oxen
2. and sheep
again no cash was ever paid as tithes
2Ch_31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU&list=HL1365303714&feature=mh_lolz
Praise the Lord! I believe that all power should be taken away from every leader which includes: The General Board, Bishops, Elders, and Pastors. Seeing that I've been a witness to the scandals that go on on the local level amongst the churches. I know of Pastors who own properties in the local areas, own properties in Ensenada, Costa Rica,and they cry because the members stop paying their tithes and they haven't got paid? Really?
How about those Pastors who purchase yearly passes to Disneyland through the blood, sweat, and tears of the members? Must be nice! Or what about the pastors who go and play 18 holes of golf with their kids at $130 per person??? And this after a Sunday service!
I heard of a pastor who supposedly placed the deed to his house into the offering plate, as an "example" to the masses, and of course the masses gave away their cars, properties, and savings, possibly their children's college funds, and didn't notice when their pastor removed the "Deed" from the offering plate when they counted the money! Open your eyes people!!! All that gold dust and diamonds should've paid off the debt that church is in right now!
I see the salary of these leaders and ask myself, are we in the wrong business? Can it be that a pastor can make more than a person on a university level? I'm a blue collar worker myself, but make a decent living thanks to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But I can't see these pastors, who drive around these expensive cars, and live in these lavish homes call themselves "humble", and make a salary that only a doctor or lawyer can match???
Not all pastors fall within these guidelines, some are educated and work very hard to feed the church, real food for the body, the word of God! Some of these pastors don't even have their own buildings yet they have been used by the Lord with the messages that penetrates like a double edge sword, reminding us that we are sinners in the eyes of the Lord and that it is because of his mercy that we haven't been sent to hell! These pastors who are truly humble are the ones who don't require you to make an appointment to see them, they are the ones who get up at three in the morning and drive to our homes to pray for our loved ones that are sick. God bless these pastors, and keep them out of harms way, and not let them fall into the same category as these other so-called pastors who have no calling!
Let the people have the power to remove a rouge pastor! Let the people decide who they want as their leaders! but the people hold the power to remove when necessary!!! God bless you all!
The jews paid tithes to the Levite priesthood. Since Christ resurrected from the dead no one is required to be under the Levite priesthood anymore.
In addition cash was never a tithed, alright?
1. tithe of the corn
2. and the new wine
3. and the oil
No cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Neh_13:12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. anise
Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. rue
3. all manner of herbs
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Tithing cash is not biblical
No tithes of cash and or even corn, wine, oil, sheep or any kind was ever requested of the members of the Iglesia of Christ. Only the jews were required to pay tithes to the Levite priests.
When Christ was crucified, died, was buried and resurrected the Levitical priesthood was terminated and no more tithes are required and especially no tithes are required of the members of the Iglesia of Christ, alright?
The tithes doctrine in todays church/cults is a false doctrine, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU
The tithes the jews paid to the Levites priesthood. Since Christ resurrected from the dead no one is required to be under the Levite priesthood anymore.
In addition cash was never a tithed, alright?
Only tithe of the land, including:
1. seed
2. fruit of the tree
NO CASH
Lev_27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD
1. tithe of the herd
2. of the flock
3. whatever passes under the rod
NO CASH
Lev_27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Num_18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithe of the firstlings of thy flock
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes
Deu_12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
1. tithes of seed
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes to the Levites or to anybody
Deu_14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
again no cash was ever paid as tithes to the Levites or anybody, alright?
Deu_14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
5. tithes of honey
6. and of all the increase of the field
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
2Ch_31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
1. the tithe of oxen
2. and sheep
again no cash was ever paid as tithes
2Ch_31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU&list=HL1365303714&feature=mh_lolz
The jews paid tithes to the Levite priesthood. Since Christ resurrected from the dead no one is required to be under the Levite priesthood anymore.
In addition cash was never a tithed, alright?
1. tithe of the corn
2. and the new wine
3. and the oil
No cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Neh_13:12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. anise
Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. rue
3. all manner of herbs
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Tithing cash is not biblical
No tithes of cash and or even corn, wine, oil, sheep or any kind was ever requested of the members of the Iglesia of Christ. Only the jews were required to pay tithes to the Levite priests.
When Christ was crucified, died, was buried and resurrected the Levitical priesthood was terminated and no more tithes are required and especially no tithes are required of the members of the Iglesia of Christ, alright?
The tithes doctrine in todays church/cults is a false doctrine, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU
@Dacio Vega ...it is incredible the amount of church corruption going on. thanks for the posts.
@valverde supporters ...while some have the attitude "everyone else is doing it" so why can't i? wrong is still wrong.
@gb ...better hurry up and clean house (fire valverde and his crew from headquarters, begin outside audits, and turn over their finding of wrongdoing to authorities) before the authorities come knocking at their door and demand to see their church and personal financial records. i have a feeling someone will be calling the proper authorities really quickly...beginning with the fontana da's office.
by the way- ignorance is no excuse for breaking laws.
Some time ago Sammy brought a Phyton snake for show and tell to FOT.
FOT has the real deal now.
What you gonna preach on today Sammy the snake Malverde?
"The world needs Jesus so keep on bringing your tithes!"
Is Raquel going to slither in the back door?
Is there not one MAN of GOD! that will stand up to The SNAKE?
All of you use that term loosely when you you want respect and money, but now is the time to show if your really want and throw the snakes out!!
Many of you are beginning to see the truth about the 501c3 Apostolic Assembly so called non profit org and it's cult type leaders and that it's not the iglesia that Christ is building, right?
There are other churches/cults very similar to the Apostolic Assembly and Christ is not building them either, ok?
The Iglesia that Christ is building does not need to file for 501c3 status.
The iglesia that Christ is building God uses men who have learned the gospel of Christ to go teach and preach the gospel to individuals, small groups, large groups and online and the world without worrying about when, where or how the Lord is providing money or things to further the gospel. Sincere men of God will work together to work and help in the building the the true Iglesia of Christ.
p.s. Do not be deceived by any so called 501c3 church/cult and or cult leaders that work to manipulate and control you and your work for the Lord.
Apostolic's There is no hope in the Apostolic Assembly, The AWA and or any 501c3 so-called non profit organization/church cult/pyramid scheme and or business show type church.
There is only hope in Christ our Lord and Savior and sincere Christians will trust in Christ alone as they go teach and preach the gospel and work in the Iglesia of Christ which is not any 501c3 so-called non profit org., amen?
The best thing is to discover the truth that no one needs the Apostolic Assembly or any 501c3 so-called non profit org. and leave them behind, turn to Christ the Lord and Savior and trust Christ alone for all your Salvation needs, amen?
Sincere men of God go teach and preach the gospel of Christ and do not wait for any men to give you the go ahead, alright?
To all believers Tithing is not a sin. I dont see anyone here complaining about how our Federal and state governments force us to pay some 40% tax rate of all our income, they take our hard earned money out of our checks, then when we buy gas we pay state taxes, then we we purchase items at the store we are taxed again then our houses are taxed for property taxes when the year is over the average working man ends up paying like 40% in all sorts of taxes to the BEAST, giving GOD 10% is no problema, just give to GOD what belongs to Him and to Caesar what belongs to Caesar !
I was meditating how Pastor Valverde was ousted from the Presidency of the Assembly. Visiting the Assemblies website is futile its almost as if Valverde was never President they dont mention him nor give any account of what happened to Valverde. NO thanks, no nothing ! thats not good ! The Assembly should state in its website its story let us know the truth so that the chismes and speculations can stop. Our leaders are accountable to us and not the other way around.
Give as much offering as your heart desires but know that you are not required to pay tithes to anyone especially those who are workers of iniquity, alright?
Matthew 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Matthew 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Give as much as your heart desires but know that you are not required to pay tithes to anyone, especially not to the workers of iniquity, amen?
The jews paid tithes to the Levite priesthood. Since Christ resurrected from the dead no one is required to be under the Levite priesthood anymore.
In addition cash was never a tithed, alright?
1. tithe of the corn
2. and the new wine
3. and the oil
No cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Neh_13:12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. anise
Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. rue
3. all manner of herbs
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Tithing cash is not biblical
No tithes of cash and or even corn, wine, oil, sheep or any kind was ever requested of the members of the Iglesia of Christ. Only the jews were required to pay tithes to the Levite priests.
When Christ was crucified, died, was buried and resurrected the Levitical priesthood was terminated and no more tithes are required and especially no tithes are required of the members of the Iglesia of Christ, alright?
The tithes doctrine in todays church/cults is a false doctrine, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU
@JohnMatthews - thank you very much my brother...our ears are open! I wonder what Scammy preached about today at Mountain of Lies!!!!
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
I believe this applies to all of us in the Apostolic Assembly. If we are were we are right now, it's because we have wandered away from our Lord and have conformed to the things of this world. We need to go back to the basics, and start to pray again, fast again, read his word again, and do what Jesus commanded us to do, go out and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, making disciples of all those that accept his Holy name. Far too long have we been preaching to the choir, we need to start reaching out to the lost, to the oppressed, to the depressed, to the sick, to the blind, to the maim, to the poor, let us all seek the mercy of the Lord and ask for forgiveness and his guidance. God bless you all!
Apostolics: There is no hope in the Apostolic Assembly, The AWA and or any 501c3 so-called non profit organization/church cult/pyramid scheme and or business show type church.
There is only hope in Christ our Lord and Savior and sincere Christians will trust in Christ alone as they go teach and preach the gospel and work in the Iglesia of Christ which is not any 501c3 so-called non profit org., amen?
The best thing is to discover the truth that no one needs the Apostolic Assembly or any 501c3 so-called non profit org. and leave them behind, turn to Christ the Lord and Savior and trust Christ alone for all your Salvation needs, amen?
Sincere men of God go teach and preach the gospel of Christ and do not wait for any men and or 501c3 organization/church/cult to give you the go ahead, alright?
When Sam Valverde brought a snake to church service what he really did was show then what would happen in the future that he would operate in deception and fool many people.
Remember this post back on March 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM.
Several rumors that deserve consideration.
1. Sam Valverde is being removed from the pastorate on Monday.
2. The GB is supposed to meet with the Fontana church on Tuesday to make the announcement.
3. The Fontana church is paid-off.
4. Valverde is going to walk away with his church and building.
5. Reinstatement of Pacheco to the ministry because of threats he made about other secrets on other board members.
6. No outside replacements for the GB, except one who won't say anything, to maintain a cover on other illegal and immoral issues of the GB.
7. If Fortino complies the GB will make him look like a hero that saved the AA.
Well rumor #5 is no longer a rumor, Pacheco has been reinstated! Remember my words.
You gossipers need to get on your knees and repent. Pastor Sam has been falsey accused and will not be removed as pastor. We heard from brother Alex that Pastor Sam has hired one of the best lawyers in the USA to get him his presidency back. Stop worrying about what happens at our church. The Fountain of Truth is the best church in the apostolic world. Stop hating on us and go win some souls for your own churches. You all sound like a group of gossiping grandmas.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG what are you, like 12yo? LOL! Bro, eso te dijieron?! LOL! Que loyal!! Te lo comiste!!!
I am tired of people saying tithing is unbiblical or under the law.
Let’s usually people that are against it are in poverty because they won’t give anything. Yes, I understand that no one should be “Required” to give but at the same time if you are completely against giving, then you don’t understand what the New Testament church was all about!
2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
The scripture above is saying to give, period! The level of tithing in the New Testament was above and beyond 10% percent. I am thankful that I have learned to tithe above and beyond the 10% percent. I can say this because none of you really knows who I am here and I am not saying this to give myself props but simply to tell you it works.
Here is a little article by Rick Warren, whose son died yesterday. Keep him in prayer. I do believe that Rick Warren and his wife have it right and look how God has blessed him.
REVERSE TITHING by Rick Warren:
Kay and I became reverse tithers. When we got married 30 years ago, we began tithing 10%. Each year we would raise our tithe 1% to stretch our faith: 11% the first year, 12% the second year, 13% the third year. Every time I give, it breaks the grip of materialism in my life. Every time I give, it makes me more like Jesus. Every time I give, my heart grows bigger. And so now, we give away 90% and we live on 10%. That was actually the easy part, what to do with the money--just give it away, because I'm storing up treasures in heaven.
Love it!
If you are against tithes, please DO NOT BE against giving! We are not bound to just 10%! It works folks! GIVE, GIVE, GIVE! Never stop!!
I learned that from a young age! To be a giver! Notice the widow who gave all she had!! She didn’t have money to eat or pay the rent but she gave it all away, every last cent!!!
I won't be giving much longer at FTC, though!
We are twindling down in numbers already.
People have began to leave!
Santo's can say all he wants but Valverde did wrong, period!
He should be ashamed! If he fights this he will not only loose, he will also loose his pastorship and ministerial license.
They should hold his 401k and retirement money as collateral for all he has done to the Assembly!
I love the collapse feature!!
I just collapse Santone!
He doesn't even exist and I ignore him!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whether you are calvary chapel, or attending another type of church, know this!
Your salvation is based on your own experience with God!
Stop depending on Chuck Smith or John Fortuno to preach you through to your salvation!
It can be little brother tonto who preaches, but God's word will never come back void! If your heart is right, you will get it together and live for Jesus as a Christian!!
Sick of this foolish talk about this church and that church!
@san antone ya callate
Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek. He was way before the law!!
It's just a spirit of giving!
They paid with sheep, ox and cattle!
If you own some cattle then use that but now days you pay with cash it is the same thing!!!
People who want to get technical about using cattle are just like the Pharasees! Always looking for techincal, legalities to get around doing the right thing!!
Give and stop being so greedy!
Rick Warren gives 90% and lives on 10%.
That's the true spirit of the N.T.
it's not about tithes! Its about giving all you have!
@FTCMember - Bro, what did Scammy preach about today?
Praise the Lord! @ the unknown person who said that FTC was the best church in the AA. And who also said for everyone else to go and win souls to fill their churches, FYI, FTC is made up of a bunch of church hoppers who wouldn't heed to their former pastors exhortations and found a place that resembles a burger restaurant that it's motto goes like this, "you can have it your way". Now on a serious note, we are not in a competition here, we are all part of the the body of Christ, one body, one faith, one baptism, one LORD! When the body is not in one accord, it will fall apart, we need to unite, and oust all the corrupted pastors and pray that the Lord fill in the blanks. God bless you all.
If you are still in Fontana, then you deserve what you get. Birds of the same feather flock together.
Just know that your FTC is a reminder of a professed deceptor and you know longer have the status of influence because man was put first before God.
A prideful spirit comes first before the fall of man.
Dear brothers and sisters, what we are witnessing is the decaying of an organization which ceased being a Church. This is the typical degeneration that occurs:
Starts as a people oriented pastor.
Morphs into a pulpit oriented pastor.
Then into a Property Oriented pastorate.
Descends into a Power Oriented Pastorate.
-The hated Nicolaitans spoken of in Revelation.
+"Professional" clergy lording over the laity!
Arrives at Politically Driven Decay.
- Much like the Mother Harlot Church
At this point they are very far from the lesson our Lord and Savior taught at the washing of the feet!
REPENT, He is at the door and many will find themselves as part of the group saying, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?" to which He will reply . . . . . "I NEVER KNEW YOU . . ."
Harlot-- No morals or self value, unmoral acts for monetary gain; Tramp, prostitute.
Prophesy is coming to past.....Read.....Sam Valverde....
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me,[a] “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters (people), 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
Rev 17:1,2
Fornication---your homosexual members paying their way while you take their money and consent thier sin. Members drinking wine and your ministers addicted to pornography.
General Board - Consenting Sam Valverde to Steal money from San Bernardino and San Jose..to gain a building..... General Board.. Guilty is as well for allowing such Harlot sinful act/behavior....
How did you get to be president of the Apostolic Assembly if you never were or served as Elder of a Sector much less a serve or were elected as a Bishop of a District like the Constitution demands..
You must of bought your way in...or is it true your father was Baldemar's best friend and brought you in the General Board through a favor? That is a violation... should of never happen!
You have gain what is not rightfully yours.... sucked up the monies...of innocent people.. positioned your self, driven by greed, power, and fame of your name....Oh Harlot how you will fall...
God will not be mocked....
Soon to be prosecuted and Jailed for real estate property fraud...
Nat Ochoa
Andrew Rodriguez
Alez Santos
Samuel Valverde
You can run but you cant hide...
!!!TRAMP!!!!
Yes....I did
You trampled and took other peoples money without thinking twice for a building....
“But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. Mark 4:42
All you gossipers need to repent of your sin os sowing discord in the church. You offer nothing but lies and slander. Keep talking your lies because i can assure you, Pastor Sam has assembled a Restoration Team to restore him to his rightful position as Bishop President of the Apostolic Assembly. This team includes powerful attorneys and a Fountain of Truth Dedicated Team that has a fasting and prayer chain. As for your false accusations about FOT members A. Rodriguez, A. Santos, N. Ochoa, those are all lies from the pits of hell. God Bless Pastor Sam and FOT!
Lol, the reason Valverde got a lawyer IS NOT because he wants his presidency of the AA to be restored. He hired a lawyer because he knows what is coming for his email hacking crime!
There is only One Truth ... Justice belongs to the Lord.
The tramps didn't get fired for their good looks?
AA charging Realty fees...Please!
Pyramid Schemes for personal gain is Illegal period!
For Sale Sign soon to come on FOT building.....that is the Truth...
unless you have 21,000.000.00 in your checkbook.
Hey anybody have any info on what happened at the meeting this past weekend between the AA board and the Corona church people that stayed behind.
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Unknown sounds alot like the guys that would spew the Tri-Prophet stuff.. wait.. here it goes
hahaha
factsonly1 said...
We are the new generation of Apostolic Assembly Prophets!
All the prophesies I made are coming true in this new generational era of the history of the beloved and tried and true apostolic assembly church!
I prophesied that Tri-Unified Prophet Congressman Steve Montenegro would be lifted up!
It came true! Prophet Steve Montenegro has changed the state of arizona and is making the TV headlines and will soon be running for governor!
I prophesied that great and mighty things will be happening to GB5.
Its came true!
GB5 is on world wide TV and going to be AMERICAN IDOL!
Vote and cast yoour vote!
J.Lo and Randy will be saved and be congregating here at The Fountain before you know it!
Next season, look for Prophetess Jaime Aguilar Hernandez to be on American Idol!
Look for Velos and Apostolic Appearal to be required to be worn in Arizona Public sSchool!!
AMEN!~!!
February 9, 2011 at 3:43 PM
Sam Valverde is concocting a team so he can get his job back... ha
more like to get all his accomplices on the same page for the soon to come depositions...
Matthew 18:18
“Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
busy trying to hide their evil doing....
instead of spending their time on spreading The Gospel of Jesus Christ....
First of all, the delete button works great, no more San Antone which I believe his bigger purpose is to keep this conversation sidetracked. So great to ignore him ok? Alright?
As for the statement of an attorney, do we now have to believe that SV was pushed out? What happened to all his talk about being in peace? NO! I agree with a previous statement, SV knows whats coming and he needs to prepare for it. SV has done Daniel Sanchez a favor, what favor? SV has brought the Assembly down to a new low.
I predict the same will happen as in the case of earthly governments once a dictator's truth has been exposed then start the defections. So I say to many of you in leadership at Fontana, God will always honor your committment and ministry but not if it's not honoring Him. The name Fountain of Truth can not be used for this ministry any longer. Not with someone that sees no problem deceiving others and not being very truthful.
When someone boasts about his million dollar homes and haveing $500k in the bank that really exposed what that person is all about. Sam Valverde is all about Sam Valverde and nothing else.
That's the biggest-SIN .... you believe everything all the lies that Sam Valverde done... to build his name, build his greed.
All the lies have become truths to those that follow him blindly...
The Message of the Gospel has been left behind...
Fountain of lies harbors homosexual singers and pornography ministers... they gather to hear twisted preaching. They only love themselves...
nothing for the community, widows, poor or The Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Haters! You gossiping grandmas are just gelous because we have a church of 1,500 members. You are gelous because we are cutting edge of bringing the gospel to the world. You are gelous because we have the biggest church in the Apostolic Church. You are gelous because we have a blessed and prosperous membership that has several millionaires. You are gelous because the Fountain has doctors, lawyers, engineers, directors of finance, at our church. Keep hating us because God will keep blessing us.
Sammy's friend Joel Montes was in Cali all weekend his wife took a pic with vizcarra's widow and has visited with J2X master has a pic with them too it was a matter of time when both SV JM would meet again planning a vacation trip before SV does 20-30 for his acts
How can fountain of truth be "cutting edge" as you say and mispell "jealous"? Its not "gelous" it is "jealous".
Its not cutting edge with that type of spelling. Funny.
Give as much as your heart desires but know that no one is required to pay tithes to anyone now that the Levitical Priesthood has been terminated.
And allow no cult leader to coerce you to pay tithes, alright?
Abraham gave
2....Abraham gave a tenth part of all...(to Melchisedec) No one obligated and or coerced Abraham to give, alright?
The Levites took tithes of the people by law.
5....Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law
Unknown if you really had millionaires. Your church would be like that of Jakes, Osteen, White,. If really were that cutting edge. However, not many people outside of the assembly really know of this cutting edge church known as FTC. Sorry to burst your little bubble.
J2X is trying to be arranged in Houston poor little brother is going to get hit with a large bill and the hermanos are paying for it big brother does not care so that little sister can come and jump around the stage
Give as much as your heart desires but know that no one is required to pay tithes to anyone now that the Levitical Priesthood has been terminated.
And allow no cult leader to coerce you to pay tithes, alright?
Abraham gave
Hebrews 7:2....Abraham gave a tenth part of all...(to Melchisedec) No one obligated and or coerced Abraham to give, alright?
The Levites took tithes of the people by law.
5....Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law
We are not under the Levitical law anymore folks so do not be deceived by any cult leaders, alright?
Tithes never included cash from anyones wages, alright?
Give as much as your heart desires. But you are not required to pay tithes to anyone, especially not to the workers of iniquity, amen?
Tithes were paid by the jews to the Levites priesthood. Since Christ resurrected from the dead no one is required to be under the Levite priesthood anymore.
In addition cash was never tithed, alright?
Only tithe of the land, including:
1. seed
2. fruit of the tree
NO CASH
Lev_27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD
1. tithe of the herd
2. of the flock
3. whatever passes under the rod
NO CASH
Lev_27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithe of the firstlings of thy flock
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes
Deu_12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
1. tithes of seed
NO CASH WAS PAID as tithes to the Levites or to anybody
Deu_14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
again no cash was ever paid as tithes to the Levites or anybody, alright?
Deu_14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
1. tithe of corn
2. tithe of wine
3. tithe of oil
4. tithes of firstlings of thy herds
5. tithes of honey
6. and of all the increase of the field
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
2Ch_31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
1. the tithe of oxen
2. and sheep
again no cash was ever paid as tithes
2Ch_31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.
cash was never a tithed, alright?
1. tithe of the corn
2. and the new wine
3. and the oil
No cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Neh_13:12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. anise
Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.
No cash was mentioned only tithe of
1. mint
2. rue
3. all manner of herbs
Again no cash was ever paid as tithes, alright?
Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Tithing cash is not biblical
No tithes of cash and or even corn, wine, oil, sheep or any kind was ever requested of the members of the Iglesia of Christ. Only the jews were required to pay tithes to the Levite priests.
When Christ was crucified, died, was buried and resurrected the Levitical priesthood was terminated and no more tithes are required and especially no tithes are required of the members of the Iglesia of Christ, alright?
The tithes doctrine in todays church/cults is a false doctrine, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU
Give as much as your heart desires but know that no one is required to pay tithes to anyone now that the Levitical Priesthood has been terminated.
And allow no cult leader to coerce you to pay tithes, alright?
Abraham gave
Hebrews 7:2....Abraham gave a tenth part of all...(to Melchisedec) No one obligated and or coerced Abraham to give, alright?
The Levites took tithes of the people by law.
5....Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law
We are not under the Levitical law anymore folks so do not be deceived by any cult leaders, alright?
Tithes never included cash from anyones wages, alright?
@Santone since 10% is the Lords and 90% belongs to who me or God because everything is his anyway?
Give as much as your heart desires but know that no one is required to pay tithes to anyone now that the Levitical Priesthood has been terminated.
And allow no cult leader to coerce you to pay tithes, alright?
Abraham was not required to give
Abraham gave
Abraham gave voluntarily
Hebrews 7:2....Abraham gave a tenth part of all...(to Melchisedec) No one obligated and or coerced Abraham to give, alright?
The Levites took tithes of the people by law.
5....Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law
We are not under the Levitical law anymore folks so do not be deceived by any cult leaders, alright?
Tithes never included cash from anyones wages, alright?
I live in Dallas and I own my business what I give to the church is my business right why should I report it to the AA?
@ Slayer- 100% of everything belongs to God and he shares it with you and me.
We are to be wise stewards of what God gives us to manage including but not limited to our finances, ok?
Take care of your family and yourself, friends and loved ones too, ok?
But you must be aware that the devil's cult leaders want to deceive you, manipulate you and steal as much from you, your wife and your kids, alright?
@santone I live in Dallas and I own my business what I give to the church is my business right why should I report it to the AA?
@ Slayer- 100% of everything belongs to God and he shares it with you and me.
We are to be wise stewards of what God gives us to manage including but not limited to our finances, ok?
Take care of your family and yourself, friends and loved ones too, ok?
But you must be aware that the devil's cult leaders want to deceive you, manipulate you and steal as much from you, your wife and your kids as possible, alright?
@ Slayer- Your business is private and no one needs to know how much $$$ God provides you through your business and much less the AA, alright?
Beware of cult leaders that demand that you report 10 percent of your wages, alright?
They will be working to become your friends when they know how $$$ God provides you, right?
@santone oh I will most certainly take care of my family because I know what I put in God's hands he takes care of my business, but when I put it in Man's hands it becomes a disaster. im not a billionair, but I am well off and not even the pastor of the church has come to visit I wonder if I should pay to have him come
No one ever told Abraham to give to Melchisedec, alright?
Abraham gave voluntarily, ok?
The cult leaders on this blog and in the Apostolic Assembly sort of church cults work on manipulating and coercing the hearers to get their cash, alright?
@ Slayer-Do not pay anyone to come to your home or business unless they are going to do some work for you, alright?
@santone thanks for the heads up
@ Slayer- And no one should be charging you any cash to teach and preach to you the true gospel of Christ, alright?
And no one should be charging you tithes to teach and preach the Gospel of truth, ok?
If anyone charges you tithes you should know that they are fakes, alright?
So do not be deceived!
I enjoy pressing the delete button, won't waste my time reading San Antone. There is something twisted about him and I don't even know how he is/
@ Slayer- And no one should be charging you any cash to teach and preach to you the true gospel of Christ, alright?
And no one should be charging you tithes to teach and preach the Gospel of truth, ok?
If anyone charges you tithes you should know that they are fakes and false teachers that have not learned the truth, alright?
So do not be deceived!
A matter of time until San Antone creates another blogger name to make it seem that he is communicating with someone or that someone is interested in his rantings.
To be saved friend all you need is to:
1. Have faith in God.
2. Believe in The name of Christ the Lord and Savior.
3. Pray requesting Christ the Lord and Savior forgive your sins,asking Him (Christ the Lord and Savior) to come into your life to take control of your life(children should stop at this step).
4.(Mature adults) Get baptized in the name of Christ the Lord and Savior as soon as you are able (baptism in the name of Christ the Lord and Savior is for mature adults).
5. Seek to be guided by and filled with the holy spirit each and every day of your life praying daily and enjoy the freedom the Holy Spirit gives you to speak in tongues as the Spirit of God gives you utterance and experience the love, joy, peace, and all the gifts of the Spirit God grants you! Get together with other believers for fellowship and worship. 6. Beware of Satan, his devils, demons, cult leaders, cult teachers, false teachers, false prophets, and all who demand you pay them tithes $$$!
To get baptized all you need friend is to have faith in our God and Christ our Lord and Savior, invite at the least one friend or two (the more the merrier) to witness your baptism, go to a body of water such as a pool or big bath tub, go into the pool or tub (you may invite a friend to go into the water with you to help you as you get baptized)ask your friend to pray with you as you call on the Lord saying something like "My God! Christ my Lord and Savior! Come into my life, wash me from all my sins, lead me, fill me and lead me with your Holy
Spirit now and forever I pray! Pray the above prayer before you go down and submerge yourself completely in the water. And you may say the same prayer or one similar as you come out of the water for emphasis and to ensure completeness. You can paraphrase the above prayer but it may help you to work on repeating and memorizing this prayer as best as you can before getting in the water to get baptized and to talk about your plans for baptism with your friend who will go into the water with you before you do it. Have a paper certificate prepared before hand and have pen and at least one or two witnesses sign it. On the certificate it should state that you got baptized in the name of Christ the Lord and Savior as commanded by God in his holy scriptures. Include at least one scripture such as Acts 2:38
You do not need any cult leader to baptize you, alright?
And you do not need to be paying tithes to any cult and or cult leader either, alright?
PASTOR G CRAIG LEWIS EXPOSING THE FALSE ((TITHING DOCTRINE)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNyCP4AOkU
To Unknown:
I wonder if God (whom you claim to be serving) is as impressed with all the lawyers, doctors, engineers and millionaires you claim to have as you. Let me ask you how many souls have you brought to the foot of the cross. I don't care about the money or the degrees earned by your membership give me a total I wonder if you have ever read this scripture.
Revelation 3:17-19
17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. God bless and don't be so arrogant even Jesus himself was humble.
Unknown you are blind and such a BabaBear (Baboso) they are millionaires because they have taken what is not theirs..misdirected, covered in sin funds.... while you raise your gay hand in the air and blow kisses to Sam Valverde...
FOT is a true embarrassment. You want something work hard for it like Bishop Joe Augilar's church twice as big debt free......
Honest hard working people that share God's love and the Gospel.
I admit it. I come here for free entertainment. I mean, where else can you get so much vitriol and hate from so-called Christians? and for free? Ya'll put novelas to shame! Dario Vega is my fav! He came in with his guns swinging, making accusations and throwing around subpoenas. You'd think Valverde raped a girl or something. Wow, just wow. The level of hostility and hatred on the blog is astounding.
What does the bible say about hate again? Oh yeah, he compares those who hate to murderers (1 John 3:15).
Keep on the entertainment haters!
Bloggers beware of dogs like Dueprocess, alright?
Philippians 3:2
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Ef.2:8-9 We are save by faith and not by works but is a gift of God and not a reward for something good that we ight had done. We owe our salvation to God not a denomination or a person. thank God for his Grace! It makes very upset that theres people that uses the congragations money for there own gain, when theres so many members who can bearly afford to pay there bills. I had struggle many times to pay my bills but Even though I needed that portion I was bless to be able to help others. What happen with there conscience?
Ef.2:8-9 we are save by faith and not by works but is a gift of God and not a reward for something good that we might have done. We owe our salvation to God not a denomination or a person. Thank God for his Grace! It makes very upset that threes people that uses the congregation’s money for their own gain, when there’s so many members who can barely afford to pay their bills. I had struggle many times to pay my bills but Even though I needed that portion I was bless to be able to help others. What happen with their conscience?
If Fontana's congregation has educated people WHY Sam V. had to take loans on other congregations?
Revelation 2:15
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism. (Antinomianism: A belief that is based upon a recognition of the mercy of God as the ground of salvation, but it makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual “belief” in this truth had a saving power. The Apostle James refuted this error in James 2:19 with the admonition, "The devils also believe, and tremble"; reminding us that true faith is an active principle which works by love and it goes beyond a profession of belief. "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" (James 2:20) The Bible teaches us that salvation is a free gift, based upon God's grace alone (Ephesians 2:8-9) However, the very next verse tells us that "we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:10) True faith produce action, as well as a desire for holiness and obedience. (1 John 3:18, Titus 2:11-15, 1 Peter 1:15-16, Revelation 14:12)
Revelation 2:15
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Something is going on with Santone...I just collapse him by pressing on the orange 'B"
There is something twisted or "algo mal con el hermano..."
Mano cayida...
Ignore him
2 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Santone use to come to our church before he moved to W. Hollywood.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Can anyone provide a copy of the letter from Eddie Pacheco? I know it is posted here on this blog.
I need an actually copy with his signature.
Thank you,
FTC member
FTC Member, they dont have anything signed by Pastor Pacheco. It doesnt exist. These are all lies and deciets against our pastor by these little lying gossiping grandmas. Brother Ochoa confided in me that the Apostolic Assembly is in for a big suprise. The Restoration Team at the Fountain of Truth is working hard and will be victorious. Dare you sinner sons of the chuntaros raise up against the man of god. Shame on you. Keep the Faith my fellow FOT Member.
@Santone, the doctrine of the Nicolaitans is found in the meaning of the name. Nikos-(Strongs 3534)-Conquer and Laos-(Strongs 2992)-People. Conquer the Laity. The creation of a hierarchy that forgets the lesson Jesus taught by the washing of His disciples feet and instead Rule over the people as little kings over their self-made kingdoms. These men forget the warning God gave the evil shepherds: "Woe be unto the shepherds that DESTROY and SCATTER the sheep of my pasture! says the LORD. Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel against the shepherds that feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and HAVE NOT VISITED them: behold, I will visit upon you THE EVIL of your doings, says the LORD." Jeremiah 23:1-2
Also, "For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, who shall not visit those that are cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that which stands: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their hoofs in pieces. Woe to the worthless shepherd that leaves the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be wholly dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened." Zechariah 11:16-17
Look how many sheep have been scattered as a result of this mess! These men in their greed and hunger for temporal power, fleece the sheep instead of feed them! May God have mercy on them and grant them repentance, so they will come forward and confess as well as expose other false leaders, that the body will be cleansed of this evil!
Wow, I guess we can summarize that @Unknown and @DueProcess are actually members of FTC - hmmm, maybe they are Scammy's cross-dressing, effeminate worship-leaders!! What an embarrassment! Dudes with trendy fashion wear and bowties, their arms and hands flailing up and down with dainty motions, hopping and skipping to the beat. UGH!! MAN UP!!
it's kind of windy, q no? i mean since i got exposed and all.
Nathaniel,
You would be wrong ma'am. I am not a member of FOT. Never met the man, don't know anyone there. Is it to hard for your pea brain to understand that I will not condemn a man without any proof other than ONE letter written by a disgruntled pastor?
Ya'll WANT to believe every lie, conjecture and accusation made against the man of God. Where are your morals? Where is your sense of decency? What about due process? Heck, even Baldemar got his day in court...and he LOST!
Since you sound retarded, let me break it down to you like this Nathaniel. I can write a letter and accuse you of having a homosexual lover and being addicted to Oxycontin and peanut butter. By this blog's standards, you should be EX-COMMUNICATED! Get it?
btw, I'm still waiting for that Jorge Ramos special "ESCANDALO EN LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA!" Guess that won't happen? Know why? BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF YOU LOSERS, NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!
@Unknown, its obvious that you followers of Sam have been led in the wrong path! You cant see the wrong that Sam has done because you follow him and not Christ. Sam has been a conniving fool for years since before the elections and with the construction of what looks like a gym that you all call a church! Sam did not resign after the big mess he created with the elections in 2006 because he connived with several men to have his way so that he could manipulate his way to the top!! Now that a family member turns on him with real facts he decides to resign! Why now? Because he knows that the truth is coming out about all of his wrong doings and now he does not want to have the assembly go through a "Family Feud"?(his words to family) The election mess was worse for the assembly because it involved several men and affected all of the assembly. Now he told his family that he handled "resolutions" wrongfully and was resigning! UnKnown, he's arrogant, (bragged at end time about his million dollar home and $500,000 bank account) conniving,(he colluded with men to manipulate an election) a liar,(lied about election results, Solomon's majority of votes, Pachecho's only 2 votes) a plagiarizer,(copies sermons and teachings from Chuck Smith and Calvary Pastors) and a back stabber!!!(Look at all of the men(friends) he had Sanchez and board members kicked out of the assembly) This is what you defend? These are facts about Sam, so if you believe in Sam so much, pray for him and pray for yourself a lot more because you surely have been deceived!
Well Due Process. If it was not true. Why did they force him to resign. If it was so minor. A lot of people do minor stuff and never are forced to resign. I mean. It is was something so minor then Sam would still be the President.
I mean it is just rational thinking. They don't ask the CEO, CFO's, big wigs, whatever you want to call them. They don't ask for resignations unless they have solid proof.
I mean any logical person would understand that. If they had never found the tapes Nixon would have been President of the United states.
I am not arguing with you. I am just highlighting the obvious.
DueProcess, It's not just a letter from a disgruntled Pastor, its his cousin who was building a church at the same time as Sam and Sam took money that was allocated for the corona church and used the monies for his own benefit, that is no secret. You see he told family (Sisters with one that has a husband that is a pastor in the assembly) that he did these things and is passing it off as "handling resolutions wrongfully". Then he resigns as Bishop President because he' not guilty? Come on don't be so naive my friend, when someone gives up on a position that they so much coveted so easily without a fight, that pretty much sums it up as being guilty!
Sam Valverde is a Bully/Tramp...
Reminds me of a movie where the guy gets fired from the campaign and tells his party..."let's regroup and brainstorm on how to get my Job back'
Only God, Sam,& Rachel know who else's email's they hacked...maybe that's why Baldemar also lost. They must of went back through all his emails and files.
9,000.000 lies.....
God will not be mocked.....
God's foundation will always remain strong and solid, the challenges and problems start on how man builds from that foundation. What we have seen in many countries, in history and with other church organizations, the reasons for the failure is not the foundation, rather it's how its built and we in our lifetime we are seeing yet another failure of an establishment, the AA and for this reason and this reason alone is why close to 300 pastors have left to continue in their ministry without this 'web' covering over their ministries. Even as of today over 35 pastors are seeking fellowship out of the AA and this is just the beginning.
I predict the next level of 'defections' will be leaders of the AA that have had enough. The same that we have seen in dictatorships like Iran, Syria and the like, they had enough of the leader taking advantage and committing wrongs on their own people much of what is happening now in the AA.
When you have an opportunity read what God thinks about all this and find out for yourself how this scripture can be applied to what is happening now and what people like Sam Valverde and Daniel Sanchez and the rest have and continue to do.
Ex 34: 2 - 10
2 - Woe to you shepherds who only think of yourselves
3 - you eat of the finest and wear the finest but you do not take care of my flock
4 - You have not taken care of my people but you rule over them harshly and brutally
5 - Because of what you did or did not do my people became scattered and became victims to the world
6 - My people wandered and no one went to find them
8 - Because my people lack a shepherd and because my shepherd did not look for them for cared only for themselves
10 - I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable. I WILL REMOVE THEM FROM TENDING THE FLOCK SO THAT SHEPHERDS CAN NO LONGER FEED THEMSELVES. I WILL RESCUE MY FLOCK FROM THEIR MOUTHS AND IT WILL NO LONGER BE FOOD FOR THEM.
DueProcess, methinks you doth protest too much!! Want me to break that down for you? You insist so passionately about something not being true we suspect the opposite of what you are saying. Anyone with a pea-sized brain can see that you harbor a good dose of anger there buddy! Put the gun down bro! You act like you are Valverde's body guard! Your seething anger emits right through your words, it is practically terrifying! LOL!! Your fit for murder!!
Nathaniel,
I think 'amused' and 'entertained' would more aptly characterize my demeanor. Have you read the blistering posts about Valverde? You'd think he's a murderer who rapes children on the side! I'll say it again, I don't think he's a saint. I agree that he voluntarily resigned, for the good of the church. Regardless of what you think of him personally, his ministry has touched and impacted many people. You can't deny that. You can't deny his anointing, can you? I just caution and others about your overheated and simplistic accusations. God will not be mocked. This is God's church, not yours or mine. You seem to delight in a man's demise. Where's the Christian love? Repent dude.
DueProcess, No bro I think you are a 17-year-old drama girl, that is the way you come across. You lack any concern for the Apostolic Assembly and from your posts we can gather that you have no vested years to even admire the assembly as I have for the past 38 years now. You are Valverde's "Jay Carney" of this blog and it is so obvious how you defend that with such vigorous passion. His carnal covetousness far outweighs his ministry and the lives he touched. How about the lives he has ruined? You're the one being overheated, dude. What a gatekeeper - do you fluff his blankets and pillows at night too? Geez...
Nattie boy,
Did Valverde turn down your ministerial application because you didn't do your "tomos?" Why so much hate and vitriol towards the man?
You have a weird way of showing your "love" for the amada Asamblea homie. You sound like a Baldemar lover who loves to hate 'anything' related to the AA. Get a life bro. Isn't your break at Vons over by now?
"Tomos" that's real cute. I guess the zinger that you cast would me something had I been aspiring to be a minister, which is not the case. This coming from SV's official boxer-sniffer. Dude, the guy is a total fake! Even Helen Keller can see and hear him coming from a mile away! Our question to you is, why you can't see that?! "May I take your coat, Mr. Valverde?", "Can I pick you up a latte?", "Yes sir, right away, will have you car washed in about an hour.", "Take your clothes to the cleaners? Yes sir, right away, would you care for your shirts starched, sir?", "Go pick up Raquel from the airport, my pleasure, sir.", "um, what? foot rub?? um, I THOUGHT YOU'D NEVER ASK!!!!!" LOLOLOL!!!
The latest news is that Pastor Sam's Restoration Team has served the Apostolic General Board with a lawsuit to have them all removed for crimes against the church. All the dirty details will be coming out in court. Did you honestly think your Bishop Fortino and Aguilar was living with clean hands? This move against Bishop President Valverde is all the tactics of Satan. See you cowards in court!
nathan,
Does it rile you up that a guy like Valverde could reach to such heights in life and yet you're still working the register at Target? Does it bother you that he has great kids and here you are working 14 hours a day so that you can pay child support for the kid you had out of wedlock when you got the choir director pregnant?
What went wrong bro? Did your mom drop you as a kid or something? Did they call you a "menso" as a kid and you believed it? LOL.
Why are you so full of rage and hate? Are you one of those road-rage peeps that honks incessantly when a kid gets in the way of your 1984 Accord? Why you hatin' on Valverde? C'mon man, there's still hope for you. Take off your suspenders and enroll in night school to complete your GED. Maybe Valverde will hire you to power wash his vast parking lot at FOT.
Eddie "The Big Snitch" Pacheco. Did he report all these illegalities when he was on the General Board? No. He only snitched out his cousin when he got REMOVED AS pastor. Weazle Snitch Bitch Pacheco!! LOL!!
Eddie "The Big Snitch" Pacheco. Did he report all these illegalities when he was on the General Board? No. He only snitched out his cousin when he got REMOVED AS pastor. Weazle Snitch Bitch Pacheco!! LOL!!
Unknown, you are correct, however this is what the Assemly has bred men and women to excel no matter the cost and no matter who they had to step on. It was wrong to keep it to himself however in the long run Pacheco did the Assembly a favor by informing the board now what happens is going to happen. I predict that what you are going to see is an unraveling of a once great organization, why? because for many years it was built on man and not on God. I hav no doubt that we are beginning to see Eze. 34:2-10 come to pass.
Let's speak and stand up for what is right and stop defending what is and has been done wrong.
I proposed when this first happened that in order to fro Assembly to get back on track is that ALL GB members must resign and a special election be called to vote in new members and not allow any sitting or recently sitting board member to run. This drastic time calls for drastic measures anything less than this will contribute to the soon demise of the Assembly. which by the way God will have no problem replacing it with something better. At the writing of thie message close to 35 more pastors have submitted requests to join another church fellowhip and I believe more will follow, becuase really, how much can a person take?
Wow. Valverde doesn't walk on water people. Let's not forget that. The writing's on the wall, Valverde's time has come, matter of fact, God's gonna clean house!
Now to the masses, you want to shake things up? DON'T GIVE YOUR DIEZMOS!!! GIVE TO SOMEBODY WHO REALLY NEEDS IT, DON'T GIVE YOUR DIEZMOS TO THE CHURCH!!! GIVE IT TO THE POOR!!! LET THESE CROOKS GET A JOB AT WALMART OR TARGET!!!
Lord_help_us_all: That's exactly what I've been doing for about 2 yrs now. I trust God with my life..but not this "men of God". I have continued to tithe by giving my 10% and sometimes more, to families in financial need. Christian families that are unemployed, can't afford medical insurance, etc. God has blessed me abundantly. No one..not Valverde, not Pacheco,...NO ONE will separate me from the love of God, NO ONE and NOTHING will make me stop serving God. Never. I go to church to praise HIM because He is still worthy. It is not God's fault what these "transas con traje" are doing. God will stop them in HIS time. He will come to our rescue like He always does. Let's keep our faith strong!
Hey, everyone, glad to be addressing you all! I have some questions for you; specifically those of you that work in retail.
Do you come across annoying and overbearing customers at, I don’t know, let’s say at Target or something like that? Or, it could be at Wal-mart, Walgreens, Costco, Home Depot, CVS, Lowe’s, Best Buy, McDonald’s, Sears, Kohl’s, The Apple Store, J.C. Penny, The Gap, Subway, Verizon Wireless, Burger King, Toys “R” Us, Starbucks – well, you get the picture.
Is your pay low? Do you have to work nights? How about weekends? Have you ever had to work on a holiday, say like Christmas Day or on Thanksgiving? Have you ever had to work the Customer Service Return Item register? How about sweeping, dusting and vacuuming and other janitorial duties? Do you stock shelves, set up displays and organize items.
How hard is it to get a “personal day” off just to go see the doctor? Have you ever had a Saturday off, only to be called in to work at the last minute? Or promised a day off only to be told that you have to work it after all? And on top of all this, you work for minimum wage and can not afford to be on the company’s 401(k) plan? Not to mention needing to buy your own uniforms and keep them nice and clean. Are some of you working your way through college and working in retail just to pay your school expenses?
And all the while, you are faithful to the Lord and pay your tithes; 10% percent of all your hard labor mentioned above. Low pay, working nights, weekends and holidays, etc. And multiply that by, I don’t know, 200 or 300 people?
Does it rile you up that as a retail person, you give and give and give some more, only so that you can subsidize someone else’s luxurious car, a mansion in the hills, lavish vacations where not only you pay for the Pastor and his wife, but also all the married children, their wives and their children all get to go for the all-expense paid vacation on your back?
Does it rile you up to know that, when you struggle to keep a full tank of gas to go to your low paying job, the Pastor, his wife, their kids and wives enjoy all the full benefits of all the church credit cards, filling all their cars’ gas tanks to the brim without a second thought, charging new clothes and shoes (and telling no one, keeping it quiet from the hermanos), and there you see them all on Facebook taking pictures with the whole familia at the most expensive steakhouse in town, laughing it up, while you use your employee discount for a hamburger meal?
Well, would it also rile you up to know that you helped contribute to the Pastor reaching such great heights in life off your back that you break everyday to go to work? Does it bother you that he has such great kids but your kids suck at everything they do because you can not afford higher education for them?
And yet, it is mind-boggling how people believe that the Pastor reached such great heights in life on his own and without the help of all those low paying commoners in the congregation. Sucks to be us, huh?
@Be Ga, Praise God! the tithes were meant for those who were in need according to the bible. The people would bring the first fruits of their crops and livestock, and put them in warehouses so that they can feed those who were in need like the orphans, widows, poor and of course the Levites, who could have a meal to eat everyday.
But these "men of God" have twisted the word of God and used it to their benefit! What a shame that a pastor would be driving a bentley, mercedes, escalade, lexus, or live in a $2.5 million dollar mansion while the "chuntaritos" as some ignorant said right above this, are struggling to make ends meet and work very hard to raise enough money for their diezmos with their blood sweat and tears while the "pastors" are enjoying the lap of luxury, encantados de la vida, and only give a $50 dollar ofrenda to the necesitados who have five kids all of which are hungry and have no milk or a decent place to live! And to top it off, the people need to make an appointment to see the pastor??? And if they can't pay their tithes, they are spiritual bastards??? SANGANOS!!!!
Not all pastors are like this. There are still some decent pastors out there who still worry about the condition of their members, who would put the well being of them first before theirs, and would not think twice if they got a call at three in the morning and drive all the way to pray for a sick person or someone who is going through some spiritual war. God bless these true Hombres de Dios!!!
Looks like I shut all you gossiping grandmas up. It wont be long before the Restoration Team at The Fountain of Truth has Pastor Sam restored as Bishop President. Andr yes, Pastor Sam still reigns at The Fountain of Truth. No one is going to remove him. We have a powerful membership. We have powerful attorneys, doctors, enginers, directors of finance, educators as members. We have the best ministries, music, worship, multimedia. You are all filled with gelousies!! Repenting is needed before you doom yourself to hell.
@Unknown, kid, learn to spell.
Unknown you really did not shut anyone up. It is just pointless to argue with blind followers such as yourself. You all sound like little kids who just got a piece of candy taken away from them. Valverde is already down and out. They took him out of office and that is embarrassing enough. God has spoken, "Let the church say Amen." God already cut down the man responsible for spilling christians blood figuratively speaking. So blind followers get off his coat tells. He is too important to bother getting to know his followers. I bet he has never even talked longer than five minutes with you two. Oh well, if they want to jump of the ledge are the rest of us going to do it? The answer in simply put terms is no. Can you imagine the embarrasment and then claim to even be associated with Valverde. However, that is thier choice. Why should we go down to thier level and fight about something that has already been done.
You gossiping grandmas have no clue. Fact: Pastor Sam is still pastor. Fact: Pastor Sam is a cutting edge pastor of the modern era. Fact: Pastor Sam is the leading leader in the pentecostal world. Fact: You will never, ever remove Pastor Sam as Pastor. Fact: We will soon have a 5,000 member church. Get a life you losers
@ Unknow - Fact: Pastor Sam IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT OF THE AA!!! Hahahahahahahah Dumbass.
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