Honorable Bishop President Daniel Sanchez,
I greet you in the name of our loving Savior Jesus Christ. I pray God's blessing and wisdom upon you and your family.
The purpose of my letter is to address the matter of the removal of Former Bishop Abel Torres.
As you are aware the movements of the General Board are posted on this site daily. Prior to your visit to Texas, the agenda of your travels was published on this site. The outcome of your meeting with Brother Torres was immediately published on this site. The outcome of your visit with the Pastors of their respective district was again immediately published on this site.
Although many disagree with the purpose of this website, it has become a gathering place for those who LOVE this heritage of the Apostolic Assembly. The amount of visitors to this site is astonishing. Those who take time to post are passionate about their feelings. Some are well articulated and some are crass and rude. But nonetheless they are passionate! No one, not one, wants to leave this beloved organization. That, My Dear Bishop President, is LOVE.
Many view this lawsuit as addressing a plague affecting this organization. Many view this lawsuit as the affliction itself. Which ever side the constituents of this Assembly are on, we seem to agree on one thing: Brother Abel Torres was wrongfully removed.
Bishop President Sanchez, respectfully I submit to you a personal story.
I once held a secret clearance for a government agency for a line of work I was in. Prior to my employment with this agency I underwent a very stringent and lengthy background test which included psychological tests, physical test, criminal checks, 30 year background checks, social affiliations, credit checks, drug tests and mental aptitude tests. This process took several months. By the grace of God, and God fearing parents who instructed me on the value of my testimony, I gained clearance and proceeded to work diligently for a number of years in this environment.
Several opportunities arose which required a move to the private sector. Upon leaving the government agency, my superior officer told me, "We are losing a valuable asset, if you are not happy with your new duties do not hesitate to come back. We will only have to review from the time of this termination to the time of your reinstatement request. You are already cleared and on record from this date backward". This meant if I chose to return, I would not have to undergo all the previous test again. I would only be accountable for the time I left this agency and the time I requested to return. My clearance up unto that point was granted.
Respectfully I bring these items to you attention.
1. Brother Torres was voted in by an overwhelming margin as Bishop of his respective district. The local pastors were and are aware of his involvement this lawsuit but still held fast in their hearts and spirit they wanted him to lead their district. This was because of his integrity, character and record.
2. Brother Abel Torres, under the existing CID, was approved to charge the office of District Bishop. The opportunity arose to disqualify Brother Torres from the District election for reasons of insubordination or rebellion but the election committee felt he was qualified nonetheless. Brother Torres gracefully accepted this position and communicated his desire to continue God's work through the office of Bishop and bring resolve to the aforementioned matter.
3. During Brother Torres' short administration as Bishop, he worked with humility, integrity and the fear of God. He did not use his position to bring reproach to the General Board or the Apostolic Assembly. He did not use his position as leverage on behalf of the plaintiff's of the lawsuit. Rather he worked to bring the parties together as a peacemaker.
4. On December 28, Brother Torres was removed from the Office of Bishop. Brother Torres gracefully accepted the General Board's removal of his title. He did not use this action to bring reproach to the General Board or the Apostolic Assembly.
My beloved Bishop President, I submit to you 1 Corinthians 13: 4-7.
4.Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5.It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6.Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7.It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Although comments on this website fall short of reflecting of this scripture, I would suggest that Brother Torres does not. His actions are that of love - (13. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love).
I addressed the disclosure or awareness of the movements of the General Board and actions during the dates leading and up to the removal of Brother Torres from Bishop to also bring to light that we are also aware that Brother Torres did no wrong doing whatsoever during his term as Bishop. I would suggest to you that had their been impropriety on Brother Torres' behalf, it would have been well documented on this website and should be held responsible for those
actions if true.
Since Brother Torres was accepted as Bishop during the district election, and there was no impropriety on his part during his administration and reason for removal, we are asking that Brother Torres be re-instated as Bishop of his respective district.
He was granted clearance by the local pastors of his district, he was granted clearance by the election committee and General Board. And he did nothing during his administration to remove said clearance up until the time he was stripped of his position and until present.
The local pastors and leaders again called upon his reinstatement the same day by their actions in re voting and calling upon him to be their Bishop. This should be taken as a vote of confidence on his behalf.
My beloved Bishop President. there are many matters in our Assembly that need to be addressed and corrected. We know that they cannot be changed over night. However, we do not need to keep adding to that list.
I know it is a great burden that is on the shoulders of you and your administration, I pray that God grants you the strength and wisdom to keep the flame burning.
I ask that you please reinstate Bishop Abel Torres as Bishop. It is the right thing to do.
With Respect and Love,
Apostolic Voice
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I have said many times WE are all Men of GOD. WE are all the anointed of GOD.
It seems lately in order to be the Anointed of God you must be a Bishop or a GBM.
Some (not all) of these GBM and Bishop need to remember that their feet do stink. They are not gods!!
TheInsider,
What you say has a small modicum of truth - very small. They were not from LA District.
Please get your facts straight -
The CITY of Los Angeles, NOT the County owns the camp site. Reservations are first come, first served. Both Bros. Lopez and Arroyo have many years working with the facilities and carefully followed the rules. Youth President Ramsey Valencia failed to secure a facility and in the 11th hour used del Taco to send this nasty letter to discredit these brothers. In his letter, it is obvious he wanted to take their dates away from them.
‘By the book’ Los Angeles District’s office was located in the City of Southgate NOT the City of Los Angeles. Technically this put LA District on the same footing as the brothers.
Again the campsite is available to anyone. The advanced reservation is based on residency. Bro. Lopez was serving as the National Junior leader and even though the camp was for the Interior District, he did represent the entire AA. Bro. Arroyo was holding a local church camp and his office was located in the CITY of Los Angeles.
The problem was the caused by the Camp Seely reservations clerk. Because the brothers were from the AA, the CLERK incorrectly wrote ‘Los Angeles Messengers of Peace’ on the reservation. When advised of his error the correction was made. Unfortunately this didn’t come to light until AFTER the derogatory letter was sent out. The proper step would have been for the Bishop (Galaviz) to contact the IDCN Bishop and resolve the matter in house BEFORE sending the inflammatory letter to the world.
BTW – del Taco sent the letter WITH the signature (stamped) of Bishop Galaviz WITHOUT the Bishop’s knowledge. Now who’s lying?
Everyone else - sorry for the long post.
REFERENCE:
http://www.laparks.org/dos/camps/seely.htm
CAMP RENTAL
Reservations for Camp Seely are first come, first serve. City of Los Angeles residents may make reservations eight months in advance, (with proof of residency; all others may make reservations up to six month in advance.)
Camp Seely? The AA still has camps there? How Cheap can a church be?
I'd venture to say Camp Guantanamo Bay is far better.
Camp Seely? Are you serious? It should be renamed Camp Stallag Seely instead.
I remeber one year Juan Campos was preaching at a Jr. Camp there. He had his guys break into the camper's personal belongings, had them comfiscate books, cd's and articles he thought were ungodly.
They then had a bon-fire where those items were burned. A good olf fashioned book burning.
Just like the Nazi Tradition the AA has trained its ministers in.
Good old Stallag Seely, what memories.
I read somewhere that Camp Seely was a Japanese Internment Camp during World War II.
FYI
Now that I think about it, Camp Seely was more like one of those camps used by the Soviets, Viet Cong, the Nazi SS, the Come'Rouge,
Cuban Communists as Re-Education Camps.
Except we were taught Hard Core Apostolic Dogma/Propaganda
And guess who was in charge of Christian Education at the time....
Comrad Sam Malverde
To We Care and others:
I read with interest your heart felt letter and I can relate to a lot of what you remenisce about.
These men on the General Board were created by ALL OF US. They were so dirt poor that when Abel Aguilar got married, he had to cash in his life insurance policy to be able to afford the wedding. He should not have done that, he should have had a simple little church wedding because he was also marrying a dirt poor woman who was raised in La Paz, Baja Calif.
And now with all our money, our tithes and offerings, she was given a 2008 BMW, so she could go visit Rachael Valverde and by getting the Beemer, she called off the divorce.
Valverde and Pacheco are from Tijuana, sold oranges and corn on the cob, door to door. Dan Sanchez used to pick cotton and grapes in the Imperial Valley, did not even graduate from high school because he had to work in the fields. Baldemar also picked cotton and citrus fruit in the Rio Grande Valley, Texas, and became a Mariachi, singing from bar to bar. Maffey also has roots in Tijuana also experienced similar jobs. Victor Prado also did not graduate from high school and worked factory jobs in South Central and the Compton area. Artie Espinoza also had similar jobs like Valverde and Pacheco in Otay. Martin del Campo worked in Guadalajara and Mexico City, also selling fruit.
This is the background of these men. They could have been honorable. Many of our church members work these kinds of jobs even now. They are honest and honorable, hard working individuals.
They deserve as much honor and respect, but we run over the top of them to get next to an Armani suited Board member.
Let's remember those sitting in the pews next to us. They earn the money for the Armani Suits, and the Escalades, Infinities and the Beemers that our Board members have.
That our Board became this monster is not totally their fault. WE have created this. We gush over them, treat them as holy men, but they are not.
They have feet of clay like all men do. We have to learn to keep that in focus.
does anybody know what happened to Ramses Valencia and the Harbor City church given to him by our Honorable Del Taco when a lot more experienced bros. were hoping for an oportunity?
also, under Del Taco what happened to the new church established under the guidance of bishop Del Taco in Long Beach, they left the assembly as soon as the ink dried on the property lease. Why???
previous L.A.district bishop barbosa, while being bishop, his own church got fed up with the gross financial mismanagement took it to him to clarify the situation, instead kicks 90% of the congregation because "how dare you question the man of GOD" his punishment: now pastoring another church to run it into the ground again!!! cycle repeats itself we just never learn do we? now with this lawsuit,some people are up in arms because "how dare you question the men of GOD" unfortunately many of us have just kept our heads down and kept on going...
TO IAM
I agree with you DEL TACO should have had Galaviz call the IDNC Bishop.
I apoligize for calling Bishop M.D.C. DEL TACO. That is not correct nor professional. He should be addressed as Bishop KING Taco.
JESSE
It should be KING TACO....
A CALL TO ARMS:
This is an appeal to all who have expressed support for Bishop Abel Torres and most importantly for the noble and righteous cause he has taken a firm stand against. It seems that some have been aware of all that has occurred since the beginning, while others may not have become aware of the situation until much later, but the support on the blogs has been tremendous. The important thing now is that we are here today just a few short days away from the March 10th hearing. A day that will become an historical one for the Apostolic Assembly, our beloved Church, regardless of the outcome. Whatever the court rules, unfortunately we will all lose in some way, our prayers are that the Church recovers and moves forward to a better tomorrow.
However, it is time to let yourself be heard. It is time to act on what we have all been expressing our support for. It is time to make a statement, it is time to get up and speak out, it is time to stand up for what you believe is right. Ask yourself, “what have I done to help, what have I done to make a difference? What can I do?” Or will we let Bishop Torres and the other plaintiffs walk alone? These brothers are carrying a great burden on their shoulders and it has truly taken its toll on them and their families. They are going forth bravely, so that we, our children and our childrens children may have a better and stronger church tomorrow. The future of our church is at stake!
Brothers and sisters there is much we can do - prayer vigils, calls to the GB (No Letters - they throw them away), peaceful group protests, etc. The Midland church organized overnight a peaceful protest when the GB came, with posters, songs and prayer, and it made a great impact and gave us great satisfaction at having not only stood by Bishop Torres but most importantly supporting him for what he stands for.
WHERE are the leaders out there who are great at organizing events? An event that will make a statement against those who would try to benefit personally by falsely acquiring positions in leadership and all the many other injustices we have read about. In a letter from “Apostolic Youth 4 Justice” dated August 6, 2007 they addressed the GB in the following manner, “We are united together in our efforts and have pledged to fight your dictatorship until justice and honor has been restored to our honorable Apostolic Assembly.” Young people - IT IS TIME to stand up for justice, unite and make a difference, you are most important, because you are the Church of tomorrow. Peaceful and prayerfully, organized protests at perhaps headquarters or at the churches the GB pastor. Perhaps videotaping them and posting them for all to see. It is time for EVERYONE to stand up and make a difference. We must act now if we expect change for the better of our beloved Church.
Please continue to send words of encouragement not only to Bishop Torres but to the other plaintiffs as well, the burden is on their shoulders to speak out and act against injustice in our leadership. May God bless us all.
to apostolicanalyst,
"a dirt poor woman who was raised in La Paz, Baja Calif." wrong! a little far from that. only the first-born sister spent a few months of her life in la paz during a time when the parents along with another evangelist were sent by the IAFCJ to plant churches in baja.
besides, i thought the main issue to be discussed here is the legal document/s update.
So for the price of a 2008 Beemer she sold out, and looks the other way. I wonder if her and Rachel will make the yearly NYC trip together now that they are best buds. You know buds of a feather stick together.
Don't know what the outcome of the court will be, but we can make a difference by stopping our tithes that go to headquarters. Maybe then when the repo man comes for the beemer they can go back to being respectable. (Yeah right).
A lot of the just spanish speaking hermanos don't know what is going on. Its time to start imforming them of the great leadership we have, and what their offering and tithes are going for. To pay for Rachel's and Mrs Aguilars shopping trips. Tacos from the King Taco. Platform shoes for Eddie, and the list goes on. But no we are not to question this holy anionted Men, because we will fall to a curse, the curse started long time ago with ACN. Like the Billy Joel song says we didn't start the fire the fire was already burning. We didn't start this mess it has been here since the start, but the time is now to end it, even if El Presidente Sanchez wins in court, we have to put a stop to it. Becuase as long as Sammy and Eddie can get to the money, they will keep their hands inside the cookie jar. Eddie probably takes the cookie jar home with him.
The Assembly self-destructed many many many years ago, and since then the Assembly has not been able to rebuild a system of honor and integrity. They've tried rebuilding it by merely repeating "honorable" this, and "honorable" that. They've tried it by declaring, "in the name of..." as if The Name was a sort of magic formula that could be conveniently used to impress folk rather than convert folk. They use right buzz words in order to create an illusion of a God centered organization, only never living what they preach.
But alas, the true core of this organization has been revealed. And it is as ugly as when a man finds his wife with another man in the bedroom. The questions beg to be asked, "How long had this been going on?" "Should I just ignore it?" "Should I turn the other way to avoid being hurt?" "If I forgive, can I still trust?" "If we move on, will it be the same?"
The AA was not infiltrated by the devil, he has bigger fish to fry. The AA capsized by men from within.
Yeah, the Malverde Royal Family and Kronies makes an annual trip to New York City for a week or two of fine dining, shopping at NYC best shops, vacationing. All paid for by los hermanos who work hard at their blue collar jobs.
Malverde and company are living off the backs of the hermanos.
It makes me sick to see that. Yeah, Malverde used to sell oranges door to door back in his san diego days.
I love his spin of lies when he tells his congregation that he was in medical school when God called him to the ministry.
What a fool and what a liar Malverde is. He has used the church for his own financial gain, taken advantage of his own congregation. Shameful.
Is anybody willing to write an anonymous letter to their local Spanish speaking church members?
Get me the list of your church members and I’ll give you mine, we never have to know each other’s identities.
I'll be glad to put a spanish letter together if you'll tell me more or less what you want to say. I can then post it here or email to you. It can then be printed and passed out or sent out in any fashion. Let me know how I can help.
Best thing is to write it up and post up on apostolic letters, then we can all just copy it and pass it out to the spanish speaking hermanos.
Having read both the complaint and now the reply of the defendants, it seems to me that the plaintiffs have a very minimal chance of having the judge set aside the 2006elections.
You know that your complaint is weak when you can't even find any case law to support your causes of action. The plaintiff's counsel is simply relying on a code section and interpreting it their way. That's not gonna hold water if there's no established law supporting their position.
Apoww08 now agrees with me. This frivelous lawsuit will soon be washed away and the church will be cleansed of the cancer.
To "ALL MR & MRS HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE MEN OF GOD":
it's too late !!!
things will never be the same!!!
get this thru your thick skull
if nothing else,this lawsuit has already served its purpose, which is to expose the inept,corrupt and misguided leaders we currently have, do people seriously think the GB will be RESTORED and their squeeky clean reputation back ?? let's keep kissing the ground they step on!!!!
I can't wait to be at Union City this weekend for End Time Restoration. The church is being restored and we will hear from the great prophets of our time. Thank God for visionary men like Pastor Adam Lopez.
Union City sound like the perfect place to set up an organized peaceful protest. Thanks Sam.
Thats a good IDEA.
Case CIVRS801027 - Complaints/Parties
Complaint Number: 1
Complaint Type: COMPLAINT
Filing Date: 02/06/2008
Complaint Status: ACTIVE
Party Number Party Type Party Name Attorney Party Status
1 PLAINTIFF GUSTAVO GUERRA DONALD A ELLISON First Paper Fee Paid
2 DEFENDANT APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLYOF THE FAITH IN CHRIST Unrepresented Served 02/06/2008
Case CIVRS801027 - Actions/Minutes
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Date
Action Text
Disposition
07/11/2008 8:30 AM DEPT. R8 CASE MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE
05/07/2008 8:30 AM DEPT. R8 OSC RE: SERVICE COMPLETION VACATED
02/08/2008 VACATE OSCSV HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 05/07/08 AT 08:30 IN DEPARTMENT R8. Not Applicable
02/08/2008 PROOF OF SERVICE FILED ON APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLYOF THE FAITHIN CHRIST; PARTY SERVED ON 02/06/08. TYPE OF SERVICE IS 0830. WITH COSTS OF R83. Not Applicable
02/06/2008 SUMMONS ISSUED - ORIGINAL FILED IN COURT FILE. Not Applicable
02/06/2008 CIVIL CASE COVER SHEET - CASE CATEGORY PI/PD/WD - NONAUTO FILED. Not Applicable
02/06/2008 COMPLAINT AND PARTY INFORMATION ENTERED
It’s almost prophetic! It’s the ‘End Time’ for the HGB. And yes Sam, they will receive GREAT PROFITS from the saints.
See you on Monday!
Another lawsuit???
Whats going on.
Can you Imagine how many lawsuits there would be if the hermanos hadn't been frighten to death with the AA teachings of not going up against god's anionted.
It happen when Edward Pacheco scammed lots of hermanos out of their hard earned money in the car scam. They went to their Pastors for help only to be told not to go up God's anionted. To drop it or be put on probation. The only one I ever heard that drove of with one of those cars was Gilbert Diaz when he was in AZ. All the rest lost their money.
Now I wish I had brought up Embezzlement charges on a Pastor we had that ripped us out of more then $10,000. Only thing the Bishop had to say was did we really want the money or to get rid of him. We picked to have him removed. We should have gotten rid of him then gone for the Embezzlement charges.
TO: Little Eddie
Not only did Bro. Diaz drive a car, ALL of Eddie's family drove new cars...
To lapáz:
You must be part of Mrs. Cessi Aguilar’s family to defend her in such a way. Are you Ariel or Hazel who used to live in Hollywood?
If it is true about the work that her parents did in Mexico, is this the way to take advantage of the local members of their church in Santa Ana who work so hard for their money as blue collar workers?
These people sacrifice a lot in order to pay their tithes and offerings.
Or is this money from those special grants that Abel Aguilar has been getting?
What ever the source, if they were really working for souls, they would drive cars that would be equivalent to what their membership can afford, and they would contribute some of the excess money to help some of the less fortunate people, here or in Mexico where they have their roots.
It is well known that a truly God fearing man measures up his congregation and lives in a way that would not make his members uncomfortable.
But we can expect good and righteous behavior from Pastors who truly care about their flock, which is not the case with most of those we talk about on these blogs.
Before you jump up to defend these men, go around and see how most of their church members live.
Hey, Sam:
You can’t wait to be in Union City this weekend? I’m sure it is not about Spiritual Revival.
Are you part of those Union City wolverines who have hurt and corrupted our young men so much? Now I know who you are.
Were you in Texas when Adam Lopez forced the Pastors to scraped the bottom of the barrel in their churches for $5000 a piece?
Adam Lopez himself confessed in Texas that the Union City church was going through hard times.
Is he summoning all you people so that he can scrape the bottom of your barrel?
Are you going to be willing to part with a large chunk of change to bail him out?
Don’t you know that Lopez owns a big condo in Hawaii where he takes all his golfing buddies.
I’m sure he will have to go there to rest after this long weekend of raising money.
I recieved some disturbing news today and was wondering if anyone could verify...
DANIEL SOLOMON WILL BE REMOVED AS PASTOR SOMETIME THIS MONTH.
I don't know if it is true or not but given what has been going on lately... Who knows?
Like I said before, Union City sounds like the perfect opportunity for a tremendous peaceful demonstration. Brothers and sisters from California are you all up to it? It really seems that you all are the most affected by these leaders who have directly wronged you for so long, too long. You should be the ones heading something like this, unite and go forth. It is time to speak out! Come on, the time is now!
Congrats you are dead on with the GB backgrounds specially Victor Prado's and to see them now as the Honorable..folks WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND NOT TO BE SERVED we lost focus of that
To: We Care
I’m all for it, but let’s remember that not all the brethren are fully aware of what’s happening with our Honorable GB members, I believe we still have work to do with some of the “how dare you question the men of god” crowd,also talking to a local pastor last night he mentioned to me that several pastors in our district are already making plans to jump ship, my suggestions:
1. Lets spread the word out to Spanish speaking congregations
2. Hold back financial support, hitting where it hurts them the most
Please feel free to share any ideas.
Victor Prado and Adam Lopez are the most honorable of the general board. I know many of you are jealous because they have big churches with many members while most of you are frustrated decons and nobodys who complain more than perform in your ministries or lack of ministries.
Whats your problem with Pastor Adam having a condo in Hawaii? Where in the bible does it say men of God are to live in poverty? Pastor Lopez is a blessed man with a blessed and prosperous congregation. He deserves, as most men of God, to be pampered. He has been fighting to spread the gospel for most of his life.
What Pastor Lopez did in Texas was to call out the pastors in our organization to step out in faith. When they learn to give an offering in sacrifice, they will learn true prosperity.
Until they learn to sow the seed of faith, they will continue in struggling churches. Its not a coincidence that Fontana and Union City, under the pastorships of Adam Lopez and Sam Valverde, both giving and charitable men of God, have the biggest and most blessed churches in our organization.
They have learned the concept and taught their congregation the concept of sacrificial giving.
In all of your secular humanistic studies, which most of you are students of, they do not teach this.
If the church is to be prosperous, and wealthy, they must learn from Pastor Lopez and Valverde.
In a weak and totally misleading Memorandum of Points and Authorities in opposition to
4 Plaintiffs' Motion to set aside the election dated November 24, 2006 and ordering a new election, the
5 Defendants have submitted false, contradictory and improper declarations, cited three (3) cases that
6 are inapplicable to our facts and placed great emphasis on the document entitled "Capacidad,
7 Jdolleidad Y Derecho" which has been translated to mean "Capacity, Suitability alld Right" or
8 "Capabilities, Qualities alld Rights" ("CID") but which was never properly adopted as an official
9 document for use in the Electoral Process by the Defendant Apostolic Assembly ofthe Faith in Christ
10 Jesus ("Apostolic"). In Sh0l1, they have tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the Court in an eff0l1
II to prevent the Court from seeing what actually occurred in connection with the Apostolic election
12 held on November 24, 2006.
13 II
Quote from new documents AA.info
Alert
Info post pictures of the elections day, look to see if you find your pastor or bishop.
Greetings.
I have posted pics from February 14th regarding Bishop Torres. I am a newbie to blogs so please bear with me. Some pics are duplicates but you get the idea.
Blessings to all.
http://pastorabelvtorres.blogspot.com/
Looks like Abel Torres has started an "Insurgency" with his "followers".
This insurgency will be put down the justice system of the courts. The honorable general board will have a surge in this spiritual warfare and will be victorious.
Shame on you Insurgents that follow blindly behind chief Insurgent Abel Torres.
Wow! Am I reading right? Looks to me like iddy biddy sam is crossing the road in support of "secular humanism." Miracles do happen. But we'd rather you stay on your side of the street sammy boy.
It amazes me how ibsam was the first to post in regards to the pics. I think somebody is scared and keeping a close eye.
Ta-ta.
Good pictures
God bless the hermanos in Texas that took a stand and protested with signs and all.
what does HGB stands for??? HONORABLE GENERAL BOARD OR HORRIBLE GENERAL BOARD HMMMM LET ME THINK..........
does this apply to the aa?
El Sendero Torcido
Un día, por bosque singular,
A casa iba un ternero que al andar
Torcida senda trazaba al caminar
Y torcida así dejaba al azar.
Dos siglos han pasado, y supongo que es cierto
Pues el ternero ya ha muerto.
Mas torcido el sendero deja,
Y allí está la moraleja.
Pues imagina que al siguiente día
Un perro solitario la torcida senda seguía;
Y más tarde fue una oveja guía
Que como el perro y buena oveja guía tras ella venía
El rebaño entero que también pasaba
Por el mismo sendero torcido que allí quedaba.
Desde aquel día, por valles de ciprés y pino,
El mismo sendero retorcido vino
A convertirse en un camino;
Donde hombres y mujeres transitaban
Entre palabras airadas que expresaban
Por ser un sendero tan torcido en el que andaban.
Pero no se rían porque igual siguieron,
Las pisadas de aquel ternero,
Que tan torcido sendero trazaba
Porque al caminar se tambaleaba.
El camino del bosque se convirtió en pista
Que entre curva aquí y curva allá esta lista
A convertirse ahora en torcida carretera;
Donde bestias de carga y gente entera
Siguen dando tumbos sin parar
Agregando millas extra a su camino sin pensar.
Y así después de un siglo y medio entero
Continúan en los pasos de aquel ternero.
Cada día miles siguieron sin pensar
Un ternero tambaleante al zigzaguear;
Que trazó así en una forma inconsciente
El tráfico de todo un continente.
Y así cien mil hombres fueron guiados
Por un ternero, que de muerto tres siglos han pasado.
Siguieron todavía su sendero torcido,
Y cien años por día han perdido.
Porque la gente manifiesta santa reverencia
A los asuntos establecidos con tanta precedencia.
Una lección moral esto puede enseñar.
Si fuera ordenado y llamado a predicar;
Porque los hombres tienden a ir ciegamente
Tras los “senderos del ternero” en la mente,
Y piensan que tienen responsabilidad y derecho
Para hacer lo que otros hombres antes que ellos ya han hecho.
Siguen sin pensar, campante,
A un lado, al otro lado, atrás o adelante,
Y se mantienen incólumes diciendo: “Así yo quiero”
Simplemente porque otros antes que ellos lo hicieron.
Dirán los bosques: Reír de último es reír primero,
Porque vieron pasar primero a aquel ternero.
¡Ah! Cuantas lecciones enseñar,
Pero no estoy ordenado a predicar.
-Sam Walter Foss
Traducido por Alejandro Field
here is the english translation
The Calf Path
by Sam Walter Foss
One day thru the primeval wood
A calf walked home, as good calves should;
But made a trail, all bent askew,
A crooked trail, as all calves do.
Since then 300 years have fled,
And I infer the calf is dead.
But still, he left behind his trail
And thereby hangs my mortal tale.
The trail was taken up next day
By a lone dog that passed that way.
And then, a wise bell weathered sheep
Pursued the trail, o'er~vale and steep,
And drew the flocks behind him too
As good bell weathers always do.
And from that day, o'er hill and glade
Thru those old woods, a path was made.
And many men wound in and out,
And dodged, and turned, and bent about,
And uttered words of righteous wrath
Because 'twas such a crooked path,
But still they followed, do not laugh,
The first migrations of that calf.
And thru the winding woods they stalked
Because he wobbled when he walked.
This forest path became a lane
That bent, and turned, and turned again.
This crooked lane became a road
Where many a poor horse with his load
Toiled on beneath the burning sun
And traveled some three miles in one.
And thus a century and a half
They trod the footsteps of that calf.
The years passed on in swiftness fleet,
The road became a village street.
And this, before men were aware,
A city's crowed thoroughfare.
And soon the central street was this
Of a renowned metropolis.
And men, two centuries and a half
Trod the footsteps of that calf.
Each day a 100 thousand route
Followed the zig-zag calf about,
And o'er his crooked journey went
The traffic of a continent.
A 100 thousand men were led
By one calf, near three centuries dead.
They followed still his crooked way
And lost 100 years per day.
For this such reverence is lent
To well establish precedent.
A moral lesson this might teach
Were I ordained , and called to preach.
For men are prone to go it blind
Along the calf paths of the mind,
And work away from sun to sun
To do what other men have done.
They follow in the beaten track,
And out, and in, and forth, and back,
And still their devious course pursue
To keep the paths that others do.
They keep the paths a sacred groove
Along which all their lives they move.
But how the wise old wood gods laugh
Who saw that first primeval calf.
Ah, many things this tale might teach,
But I am not ordained to preach.
Re: SevenT pictures
California brothers and sisters and the rest of the assembly this is how we do it in Texas. Surely you all can do something on a much larger scale.
Gracias Why? que tremendo escrito refleja la problemática que ahora vivimos oro Dios que entre una nueva directiva que se deshaga de la senda torcida de ACN y nos lleve al sendero derecho del primer presidente de la iglesia hermano Francisco Llorente.
Why is Daniel Solomon being removed? Because he's suing? What is the DGB going to do? Remove everyone against them? It won't leave many but very very few-family members mainly.
Folks- this is not the only lawsuit- they have at least 4-6 that I know of to date.
Many more to come I'm sure- hope that Brother Solomon sues the hell out of them on an individual level. That's they way to go-
Word has it that Valverde will split from the AA. Sanchez doesn't even know what's coming at him.
Good pictures! Props to them Texan's for standing up and protesting.
They are just as brave as their bishop Torres. It's evident that they have learned from the best.
Good job Texas, you truly have b@!!$ of steel.
LOL Those Texans are weak. They had 8 people at that little protest. Do you think Californicans have more nerve? No. They are just as weak because Californicans are all about celebrity.
No, the Californicans will fall in line, remain silent, and only post anonymous comments on the web.
There is no case, there is no movement, and you and your weak frivilous lawsuit will soon be squashed.
I imagine I will see some of you at End Time Restoration backing up the event, spending your loose change, and pretend to be celebrities.
Its time for you blogger to turn away from secular humanistic theories and return to the apostolic fold.
End Time Restoration would be a good place for you bloggers to turn from your sins and repent.
Sounds like a real challenge Californian brothers and sisters (not the way he butchered it - CALIFORNICANS! Ay Dios Mio, Sammym cuando entenderas). Are you all up to the challenge?
To: SAM
You talk about anonymous bogglers from California, why don’t you give your true full name…………
Up to what challenge? this blog is so full of dime smack, but I doubt anyone on this blog has courage to protest. Nobody is brave enough or has enough merit to go against the GB. I have an idea, maybe APWC can lead the charge. Is it APWC (a pastor who cares) or is it APWB (A pastor who is bitter) probably because he got passed up for some promotion and probably has a church of fifty members. Anyway, I hope the lawsuit end quickly so that the blogger can find something more important to talk about.
Pablino Bernal
To JESSE
What district are you from and how many pastors are you talking about?
TO HAPPY:
What other lawsuits?
Give us names and where we can get this information.
Sam:
LOL Theinsider wants you to reveal your name. He should reveal his name. Maybe he is one of the plantiffs.
Yes Happy
Give us information about the so called "other lawsuits" Yea Right just another dime smacker.
To Sam:
Thank you very much for baiting us once again as you talk about Valverde and Lopez being the best Pastors.
So then why was Lopez telling everyone in Texas that his church was facing hard times? Shouldn’t his church be as prosperous as you say?
Well, I guess you are just baiting us in order to be able to see truth. And that truth is that Lopez had to snatch money out of the pockets of the Pastors in Texas in order to continue paying for that luxury condo.
If he keeps taking so much money from the other Pastors, they won’t be able to have their condos.
They also deserve the good life that Lopez has.
But the Pastors just don’t go around begging like Lopez does.
The way you defend the GB, you definately must be from that group of the Flor Negra and the Union City wolverines.
Quote:
" Nobody is brave enough or has enough merit to go against the GB."
Won't do any good. They don't care about the issues. All they care about is themselves.
I know by personal experience. I brought up the injustice a Pastor was doing to us, only to be told I was out of place by the Bishop, and ganged up by The whole district board trying to discredit me. I'm glad to say that 2 of those members kinda took my side, but they won't admit it. They can't, its an unwritten code. Only when I contacted former President B.R. I got a little justice. but then all the bishop wanted and cared about was that if I was satisfied with the meeting without doing anything about the problem. So there and then I chose to drop it. You can't win. They know how to twist your words around and make you feel like your the guilty one.
Right now I respect the position this men have (GB) I have no respect for them as men.
Nor do I shake in my boots or fear them.
And no I won't hide behind an anonymous ID.
Luis Solis
Sam and Onguard show your true colors and names or stop the
Bull_ _ _ _
PS: Any beef with that my e-mail is solis_lj@yahoo.com
March 5, 2008 9:31 PM
no one in california will protest... no one will say a word...
its just not in their nature...
please don't misunderstand, this not a negative critique one bit, more of a simple observation.
feel free to reply in negative terms in regard to this posting... but reality will be reality..
california is to involved initself, its image, and its perceived elevated status to ever risk its image by commiting to protest...
as the great chairman once said...
religion is the opium of the masses....
That is truly sad to hear, however I will continue to believe that there have surely got to be some brave souls who can and will stand up for Christ's Church, for our Assembly. How will change ever come about if you don't rise to the challenge and make your voices be heard? For heaven's sake it is the same as not getting out to vote in the presidential elections and then complaining for four years about the leadership of our country. Is this what we do when any other injustice is committed against us, we just sit back and hope for change?
Brothers and sisters what have you got to lose? You have so much more to gain, like a sense of self pride and accomplishment for having stood up for your beliefs.
Get up brothers and sisters and let your vote count don't let another moment pass you by.
God be with us.
to: theinsider
i'm L.A. district and i'm talking about 3-5 pastors, remember the assembly may own the church building but not the congregations,
just wait a little longer,progress is being made my brothers....
lawsuit or no lawsuit a lot of people are sick of this stuff other pastors are talking about cutting their financial support to headquaters to the bare minimum...
Ohhhhhh Sam you ae being divisive by defending the GB. I guess divisive is a relative term, because there are many that think the bloggers are divisive.
Luis Solis Jr.
Have you always used the blog name the truth for once? or do you have another blog name that you used? Since you protest against your pastor, maybe you have bitterness in your heart against the AA because they did not take the action you desired. Maybe it is time for you to get over it and find another church so your spirit does not get bitter. Even though I think Luis Solis Jr. is an alias, I will give you my name which is Pablino Bernal.
If you have any questions my little ROF my number is 480-797-0754
Sam:
I have to disagree with you as far as the bloggers having a secular mentality. They are more like communst agitators or socialists, but lack the courage to have any kind of revolution. Maybe they can call youth for Justice (hahaha) My stomach is hurting from so much laughter.
PB
Not an alias bro, but thanks for the comment.
Luis
209-631-1164
You can call anytime if you like.
If I called would you treat me like a brother in Christ? Maybe we could meet for lunch? I will call you only if you call me first.
Your friend
PB
I know your true colors now onguard, giving out somebody's elses number. I called that number to be anwered not by you but someone else.
Thanks bro
And talk about being treated like a brother. Total disrespect
Can someone post the GB's phone numbers on here?
I would like to give them a call as a sign of disapproval of what they are doing to our pastors and bishops.
Please post home number and or cell number. We all should do the same, call anonymously and respectfully say,
"we disapprove of what you are doing to our Assembly by the removal of pastors and bishops. We request a new and open election that is fair and just."
SPANISH LETTER
Estimados Hermanos/Hermanas:
Venimos ante ustedes para rendirles information sobre lo que ha estado transcurriendo en nuestra amable Asamblea desde las elecciones que se llevaron acabo en el 2006. Tristemente se cometieron faltas en las elecciones y tambien muchas otras injusticias y faltas contra el pueblo de Dios que han salido a la luz a traves de esto, y hay un grupo de hermanos quienes valientemente se han enfrentado a estas injusticias.
Primeramente, las elecciones fueron violadas en una manera vergonzosa y hay gran inconformidad en el pueblo de Dios. Lo unico que se pidio a la Mesa Directiva en el principio, con mucha humildad y oracion de parte del grupo de hermanos que fueron testigos de lo ocurrido fue que se diera una explicacion o se llevara acabo una nueva eleccion. Se les pidio y rogo en varias ocaciones que hicieran lo correcto para el bien y engrandecimiento de la obra de Dios pero todo hasta ahorita ha sido en vano y caido en oidos sordos.
Luego, con mucho dolor y tristeza y poniendose en oracion y en las manos de Dios los hermanos al fin acudieron a las cortes terrenales para que se haga un juicio sobre este asunto que ha sido penoso para muchos. Los hermanos que estan al frente de esto han injustamenta sufrido muchos ataques de parte de la Mesa Directiva y otras personas pero la mayoria de los hermanos apoyan que se haga justicia. El pueblo de Dios esta cansado de tantas otras injusticias cometidas por hermanos que abusan del poder.
Ahora estamos llegando al final de este proceso en la corte y se ha pedido que se le informe al pueblo de Dios que quiza no se han percatado de lo occurrido hasta el momento a nuestros hermanos de habla Hispana o que no tienen quizas acceso a computadoras. Todo esto se ha estado informando por el internet y la mayoria del tiempo es escrita en ingles y esa es la razon por este misivo. Se pide sus oraciones y apoyo para que Dios obre en una manera milagrosa y se haga su voluntad para el bien y futuro de nuestra amada Asamblea. Que Dios los Bendiga.
Well don't count on onguard to post a good number. He talks the talk but doesn't walk it.
He is a coward. Pablino Bernal is probably not his real name. It might be pee wee herman.
Posting other people's phone number and claiming it as his own.
Must be a GB member
Truth for once:
If the phone number is not mine, then who ansered the phone?
PB
Has anybody had a chance to read over the Supplemental Discovery.Responses
I thought we had an incompetent bunch, but this is ridiculous!!
I think the Juniors dept. ran a more credible election than this!!
Daniel Sanchez “Regardless of how many votes a nominee received, any nominee who did not receive the majority of votes from the Qualifying Committee was not presented as a candidate to the electoral body” and just let me guess who was part of the Qualifying Committee? But of course, Daniel Sanchez himself along with Valverde and their buddies!!!! So why do you call this an election, if you and your friends have the final say on who is ultimately elected??
Why did Sanchez choose to use the C.I.D. document in 2005 and try to make it as official as possible so that in the elections of 2006, he would have the power to overrule the will of the people and nobody would say anything??
Was this an amendment to the Constitution? If it was, why didn’t he followed the necessary process to amend it?? If it was not, why did he used it in election time?
And by the way, Where is the General Secretary during all this?? Is he even in the same room as the Qualifying Committee?? Was the Secretary allowed to see for himself who received the majority of the votes?? Maybe they knew he wasn’t going to go along with all this??
Is this the behavior of men of GOD, does this make you believe that GOD had control over these election results? And still some people call this a Frivolous Lawsuit ??
I thought people fasted and prayed for things like this to be right, this shows total disregard for the brethren, it shows me that we are all looked upon as suckers, who in the name of GOD will just follow along,
This is disheartening folks.
we care:
Good letter, I'll be making copies, and putting them under windshield wipers sunday when the spanish service is on.
onguard or should I say spineless coward:
If it was your number you would have known that the answering machine picked up, and later that person called back that he received a missed call. I know who it is and so do you.
Oh thanks for the anonymous phone with no caller Id, and staying on the line and not saying anything. Shows your true colors spineless coward.
Next time you call lets talk I won't disrepect you like you have me.
What do you call someone who swam accross the Rio Grande River to get to Texas? That paisa's back is wet. How about I call those protestors for what they are. Illegal Alien Rebellious Apostolics.
Valverde is in good with the Bush Administration, you better hope he doesn't call Homeland Security on all those churches harboring illegal aliens.
As I said, you Californicans are too timid and too scared to protest. The only Californican who had any nerve to protest were Dolores Huerta and Cesar Chavez.
They protested for real issues like civil rights. You bloggers are only whining online because your people lost a little election.
Instead of fighting the election results, Art Tafoya needs to get in line, repent and get back to work.
In case you bloggers are tired of your way of life and need to earn some more money, we have a ground floor opportunity thats ready to explode.
This opportunity has been endorsed by great men of God. Pastor's Jason and Abel Aguilar have been blessed by this opportunity and are looking for a few more partners.
Please see the video at
http://www.passporttowealth.com
If you have any questions, just send me an email.
Our people?
I thought our people had won the election, until they showed their true colors.
And you talk about Art Tafoya. I don't know him, but at least he put his name out there, and did it with the upmost respect.
At least he put his name out there not like you and onguard that hide behind mommy's skirt.
LOL
You crack me Sam; thanks for the laugh, but how do you expect people to e-mail you when you don't post your e-mail.
Well-- I for one am glad Brother Abel Torres has been removed as Bishop...................because that will only make the transition easier when he becomes the next Bishop President of our Assembly.
I can't believe people will pay $50 per person to hear Abel Aguilar and Pachueco at End Times. Just go to their churches on any given Sunday... if you so choose. End Times . . . good name. . . it is the end of times of the DGB.
Talk about support for Bishop Torres and the other brave plaintiffs, we have just heard that Brother J.T. Pugh of the UPC has just personally called him to give him support and encouragement and say that he is praying for him. Wow, even people who are not from our beloved Assembly are aware of what is going on and know that we are fighting for justice and for the glory of God and the future of our Church. God bless you Brother Pugh and all who support this noble cause.
To Truth for once and Cheese:
Let me know how blessed you were for going to end time. Besides the $50 you pay, the lord will also bless you for the offerings you give Bro. Lopez,
Luis sorry for giving you Ex-Bishop Tafoya's phone number, that used to be my old one, As far as prank calling, you only wished I called you.
By the way, you never answered my question as to who was the Pastor you complained about and who were the so called district officials? Please forgive me, but I think you are lying. Anyway if you want Sam and I to give up our name why not ask everyone to remove their aliases and speak with real names? Do not get mad because people have a different opinion than the bloggers. Organize a protest and prove that you are not a spineless coward. You are right my name is not Pablino Bernal, But Ex-Bishop T.
PB
$50 dollars are you sure? thats unbelievable
So is junior getting the Family Life Center church since Brother Hdz passed away?
I think we (and yesh that is a royal we.. out of solidarity..lol)
have allowed ourselves to be distracted from the issue at hand.
read the past few days of postings and you only see childish bickering going on back and forth.
and that is the tip of the iceberg pf what is wrong with the AA. From the top, to the bottom, we are not disciplined enough to deal with the issues. we lose our focus on name-calling, and personal instults, as if that will reolve what is wrong with the AA.
we are all more brain-washe dthen we would liek to admit. see for ourselves, we have not progressed the resolving of the situation the AA is in, even in this most open of discourse and dialougue, we have instead reverted to the same ways our leaders have taught us, simple bickering, name calling, finger pointing, and childish chauvanistic posturing.
I'm beginnning to think we have exactly what we deserve.
What a sad state of affairs the AA finds itself in now, we have become Laodicea in its truest state and form.
I'll be the first to recognize this, and apply it upon myself.
Hi, i'm chairman mao, and i am an Apostolic......
6. 1heard of a pastor that attempted to Object to Joel M. Montes as a candidate, but was
13 not allowed in the room to file his objection. Thus, myself and a number of others decided not to
14 attempt to file objections.
Quote Baldemar Rodriguez
Onguard:
If you really want to know just call, I'll respect you as my brother in christ and tell you everything.
I am not a lier my friend, and I don't get mad to different opinions. Whats was wrong was the misleading information you provided to me, about your name and nunber.
Feel free to e-mail or call and I will gladly tell you what you want to know.
Its better that way. Chairman Mao has a point about stopping the childish bickering.
GB
http://www.apostolicassembly.info/AA%20Elections/
"Valverder is close to the Bush Administration"
FLORIDA 2000....
wow... we never saw that one coming.. LOL...
those who refuse to study history, thend to repeat it....
Ongaurd is not bishop torres because I go to his church and I actually know who he is. So sorry PB for trying to smear my Pastor's name but next time you pull a stunt like that trying to first find out if any members from that church are in here lol. That was a good joke.
Sam's passport to wealth video has a weath of information. He says the aguilars have used to get wealthy.
If you click on the products they sell you will see one of the Books is titled
"Men's guide to sucess with women"
Hmmm I wonder if that one is on the best reading list at the General Headquarters
It sure is quiet today. I bet you all are on your way up here to End Time Restoration. All that dimesmak and all you secular humanistic bloggers are still coming over.
Thats good. Maybe you'll actually listen to Pastor Sam Mascareno's preaching saturday to wake you up. Definately Pastor Hoyers and Aguilar will help you rid yourself of those secular humanistic ways.
Welcome to Union City.
Sammy, don't forget to pass out the Spanish Letter to all at End Times.
Say PTL to my brother, Bro. Aguilar.
Sorry, one more thing, don't forget the chapstick.
You know for all the ground kissing you'll be doing tonite.
Tell Bro. Aguilar I'm still waiting on his reply.
Sam you are right you have to call those from the dark side for what they are. Just a quess are you who I think you are "Aaron Salcido" a relative to the Aguilars from Union City? Oh! my gosh how can you stoop that low. Hmmm...
Sam
So you called the ministers of Texas that were demonstrating, ‘wetbacks’ because they or their parents crossed the Rio Grande River?
Let me name the ones that you are defending, “alambristas” which means, those who crossed the wire fence from Mexico to the U.S., into California.
Sanchez, Valverde, Pacheco, Maffey, Prado, Luciano Montes, Arturo Espinoza, Martin del Campo and Abel Aguilar are all first time immigrants because their parents crossed the wire fence from Tijuana and Mexicali into the U.S., to California.
They are also ‘wet backs’ but they are ‘alambristas’ because they don’t cross at the river, they cross at the wire fence.
You claim that you are defending the ‘men of God’. What do you think the men from Texas are? They all have roots from Mexico.
Are you a Native American ‘Indio’, or did you come from Europe? Then your roots are from where?
You baited us once again.
I agree with ‘apostolic insider’ that maybe you are from a twisted group of people from Union City.
Hey all,
I know who sam is, he's been babblering all over about his charades on this blog. So I decided to see what the fuss was all about. He is all THAT!!! By the way I'm his boyfriend - and yes we are GAY! Come out of the closet sammy and tell everyone our truth!
Sam:
The bloggers are getting desperate. It appears to me that you confounded them and the only thing they can resort to is wanting a homosexual relationship with you and they call the GB dishonorable. Good Job Sam for taking the bloggers to the woodshack. Poor Babies I think they sense that the end is near and the GB will travail. It is probably a good thing APWC did not reveal his name so he would still have a job when this is all done.
The fact is that sister Cesia took the path to citizenship. Unlike a lot of law beaking "hermanos" in the church. The fact is that most of the rebel pastors who are consentors to this frivilous law action are harboring illegal aliens in their churches.
I applaud sister Aguilar for doing things right. She lead by example. And as for her brother, who are you to judge? He is single but living a Godly life. How dare you cast judgement on Gods' servant.
I know more things than you think. Like for example, brother Efrain Andrade was not a good pastor. He was run off from southern California because he was known to do certain things but was awarded a church because of who he knew. Now he seeks to over turn the sanctioned election.
Then there is art Tafoya who ran off Eric Rangel because he couldn't control his temper. Now Brother Eric has one of the biggest churches in Yuma, Az.
Pastors like Tafoya and Andrade are doing more to hurt the church. We need more pastors like Frank Romo, Abel Aguilar, Sam Mascareno, Sam Valverde, Leo Maffey who are men of vision and wisdom.
I'm out of here. Its bad enough I'm late to the morning session.
Just a quick note to Sammy boy?and his onguard buddy. We're going to let you blather on today without interruption cause the people of Bishop Abel V. Torres' district are busy, busy people today. Read all about it tomorrow, stay tuned. Two words for you - END TIMES! God bless.
The Bloggers have been silenced by us Sam. The lord has used us to raise a standard against them. We care claims to be too busy;however, I find that hard to believe with all the protesting and blogging he does.
I wonder how many of these bloggers are paid ministers using their time for silly matters such as this. I hope all this uprising receives a victory because if not the plantiffs and supporters will squashed and ex-communicated from the beloved assembly.
Onguard
What standards are you talking about onguard
Giving out wrong numbers and false names.
Is that the high standards you talk about. If those are it, then I want no part of them.
Pablino Bernal, Ex Bishop T or whatever name your using today.
Truth for once:
Are you still hurt about that? just be thankful for the formal introduction between you and Ex-Bishop T (Tafoya).
No the high standard I am talking about is coming against people who have a bitter attitude against people in leadership. With the influence that the plantiff and consentors have they can break away from the AA and form another organization. However, they choose to stick around and stir up conflict. Whatever happened to you get over it or seek out counsel.
Besides all the crying , what course of action do you all plan on taking?
Onguard
Truth for once:
False names? Are you talking about an alias? What are the names of all bloggers?
What district are you from? Who is the pastor you came against? I have been asking about you, but no one seems to know you. Please do not tell me to call you. If you are telling the truth just say it.
Onguard
Is the Yawning man a friend of the HGB? Maybe he already knew the results and figured there was no reason to pray.
No offense intended to the Yawner. I think we're all yawning at Spam & Offguard.
Let's just look forward to V-Day 3-10-2008. That's the day when God will allow His will to be done.
Yes, God can use a Judge that is not a part of the AA to rectify the fraud committed by the MOG that were supposed to listen to Him, but chose to serve themselves rather than serving God.
How's ETR going? I see they are still trying to sell tickets/registrations. Who said they were 'Sell outs'?
They'll probably be taking up an offering for the future missionaries to Folsom (future EX-HGB members)
To JESSE:
Are these pastors uniting together or just leaving on there own?
We Care, you are talking like if you actually have the heart to do something. All talk, no action. Keep on talking. Cause thats all you do. And you do it well. Even if you dared to do anything, brother Lopez would run you out of Union City so quik you'de be back home in Texas quiker than the texas 2 step.
Sorry We Care, Union City doens't have a Home Depot you can go rent protestors for $5.00 an hour. We don't have illegal aliens here either. Give it a rest.
We Care, are you the president of this group "youth for justice" who were supposed to be marching in protest at the convention? lol
We care:
I guess Sam forgets he spends his time at the home depot in Union City, or maybe he is really that dumb, but if he is,
Here sam heres the address where you spend your time.
1 - Union City #635
30055 Industrial Pkwy W
Union City, CA 94587
(510)489-9400
Or is it this right down the road?
2 - Newark,CA #6964
5401 Thornton Ave
Newark, CA 94560
(510)494-1205
Awww, Sammy, I not only have the heart, but by the grace of God, I also have the will, the way, and the know how. I did learn from the very best. And believe you me dearie, neither your Bro. Lopez, nor Sanchez, Aguilar or Patch Echo or all of them rolled up into one and slathered with you and “right guard” on top could run me out of anywhere, specially not Patch Echo with his little short legs. As for “ex-communicating” me, nope, because - as George Lopez would say “porque sabes que?”.
On another note, I hear Sanchez has flown the coop. Someone should check the treasury. I bet the others follow suit shortly. Run, Sammy, run. Hmm, Sammy I guess you will be left alone to kiss the ground they walked on. But not to worry because you already have practice. I guess they weren’t such fools after all, they purchased those condos so they could escape at a time like this. Sounds like a fugitive from justice. THEY said he was out of the country for a month. I bet he’s over in Tijuana looking across the bridge and waiting to sneak back once things cool off. One word for you - lawsuits!
Hey, you haven’t said anything about End Times. What happened? I heard there were a lot of empty seats. I expected you and onguard to be gushing about it. Did you get recovered, rediscovered or whatever? Have you found yourself yet, Sammy? God Bless Texas. Say it, Sammy. God Bless Texas.
I just heard from a close friend from Pastor Abel Torres' church that Pastor Torres has been invited to preach THIS SUNDAY 3/9/08 at Pastor Galarza's church in Riverside, CA.
Wish I could be there! Surely it will be a great service!
END TIMES RESTORATION CONFERENCE
VERY SUCCESSFUL!!!!
Featured Speakers:
Rev. Jason Aguilar
($elling TUNGA The AA Way)
Rev. Jeff Aguilar
( Walking In Water)
First Lady Aguilar
( How To Be Submissive Texas Style)
Rev. Abel Aguilar
(Screaming Gets Results)
Jaimie Aguilar
(Grass ISN'T Greener On The Other Side)
samuelito
(How To Hold On To Yo Mma's Skirt)
Somebody made a comment about Jason and Jeff, that if it weren't for Abel they wouldn't have a Ministry. Well in a way thats true, but it wouldn't be for lack of talent. The boys are talented, but I think because of Jealousy they might have been black balled down the road like many of our talented young people have been. some have had to leave the AA to fulfull their ministry because the Jealousy of some with connections to the higher ups.
I think that with their talent they would have been a target or maybe are right now of Jealousy from the Malverde clan.
My 1 1/2 cent
Just to let you all know, End Time Restoration has been a big blessing. There has been a big move and explosion of the holy ghost. I wish all of you could be up here to share in the divine experience. The men of God have performed magestically.
It has been filled to capacity and the blessings are over flowing. I'm sure there are some bitter people who will make negative comments. But those comments will not hold water and the movement of the holy ghost will not be mocked.
God Bless visionary pastors like Adam Lopez who have events like these for spiritual recharging. God Bless men of God like Augutine Hoyer, Abel Aguilar, Sam Mascareno, and the others who dig deep inside to bless the people of God.
Wish you all were here to be refilled with the great movement of the holy ghost.
Archangel of Texas, the term "wetback" was a term coinded by your very own United States Government, INS, to describe illegal aliens who broke federal law by entering the United States without legal authority or permission. "Wetback" is a term not coined by me, but by your own government.
Render unto Cesar what is Cesar, therefore I must, as a good standing citizen of the United States of America, render information to I.C.E. of those pastors harboring illegal aliens from Mexico and South and Central America.
Back to the term "wetback", the INS even, with the authorization of a past U.S. President, conducted an opperation to apprehend and deport illegal aliens abiding illegally in the United States, call "Operation Wetback".
You can Wikipedia it. Its part of U.S. History.
Sam:
Yes your right about end times. I wasn't able to make, but my wife went and was richly blessed. We do need more events like this.
To bad the that present conditions over shadow God's movement.
Hopefully after all this comes to an end we can start our road to recovery. God knows we need it.
To: TheInsider
as of now we are talking anywhere between 3 or more, I'll update as the month progresses...
can somebody please post the address and phone # for bro. Galarza's Church...
now that's going to be a powerful service!!!
Alguen me digo que el presidente de la asamblea salio fuera de el pais. Dicen que salio por un mes. No entiendo como se pudo ir sabiendo que este causo va a corte este lunes que viene.
No se si sera necesario que el este en corte, pero como presidente el debiera estar alli. Es el presidente o no? Quien corre las cosas entonces?
Sanchez and Espinoza are in Chile
www.asambleaapostolica.cl
http://riversideapostolicchurch.org
Spanish 10:30 am
English 2:00 pm
951-781-9103
2997 Cottage St.
Riverside CA 92507
FYI: The Aguilars deserve to drive a BMW, for years they have driven humble cars ie. Toyota Camry, Volkswagon Passat.. He has been such a blessing to his church why not buy him a nice vehicle. As for their second vehicle, "Toyota Camry". As for his wife leaving him? Truth is you can't find anything on him, so you make up stuff, now that is just wrong!
What do you drive? and who have you blessed?
SISTER Velo!!!!!
Nice Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=868kPlI5i68
an expression of love . . .
http://pastorabelvtorres.blogspot.com/
To Every Pastor At The 2006 Elections:
Before you go to bed tonight as you prep yourself over your vanity and look into that mirror take a 5 minute look at yourself. Then ask yourself, did my vote really have any significance in this election? Ask yourself, God do I let this go on, or should I say enough is enough? Do it!! I KNOW He Will Speak to You! He chose you to lead his flock, tomorrow could be Detrimental! Stand for what is of a Good Man! What is Honorable!
A Todos Los Patores Que Asistieron A Las Elecciones De 2006:
Esta noche antes de acostarte, al prepararte en tu sitio de bano, mirate en el espejo pro unos 5 minutos date una mirada profunda. Y luego preguntate (seria mi voto de significancia en las elecciones de el 2006?) Preguntate, Dios mio dejo que esto quede asi? O dire hasta aqui ya basta! Hazlo!! Yo se que Dios te hablara, pues el te escogio para dirijir su rebano. Manana quisa sea de mucho dano para el pueblo que pastoreas! Haz lo que es de Buen Hombre, que tu decision sea Honrosa y no vergonsosa!
"Seven-T",
I saw the pics posted on that other blog... What a sad looking bunch.
Is that all the support he recieved out there? Where are all his supporters? I thought that place would be filled to capacity but I guess he's not as liked as much as you would have us believe...
ok teetime just to let you know..not everybody knew about what was goin on that night!
if you would have been in our church today you would have seen that we made a video with several people expressing words of encouragement to Pastor Abel V. Torres! and the special prayer that the whole congregation participated in! You arent part of our curch so dont judge!!!
V-Day is here March 10 ,2008
If anyone is in the court today, please let us know what happened
It is now 8:30 a.m. Pacific time, court should be in session anytime. Let us pray - may God have mercy on us. God bless all.
what exactly is expected out of today's hearings?
being familiar with legal precedings, this will be a drawn out process, real life is not a 1-hour Perry Mason episode... lol
and i keep hearing of jail-time, people fleeing, etc, this is a civil case no? i do not forsee any way imaginable how anyone would serve any sort of jail time for this, its a civil case, not criminal...
well regardless, will anyone being updating us throughout the day/week on the proceedings?
Oh so did any1 protest at end time?? by the silence... i highly doubt it...
thanks californians, you have made us all so proud (oh if you could hear the sarcasm.. lol)
You’re right about no jail time for anyone, at least not at this juncture, no one will be taken away in handcuffs, that is an awful picture. That may only come if things such as misappropriations of funds, violation of accounting reporting methods for nonprofit organizations, etc. are determined to have occurred, however, that all remains to be seen and I believe the government will be the one involved, my guess is the IRS. My understanding is that this hearing is for the courts to determine if in fact with all the evidence that has been presented to date there was fraud during the 2006 elections. If it is determined by the justice system that there were faults. then we shall see what is to follow.
"Jesus_Lives,"
You made me laugh. Thank you for the little pouting dance - you reminded me of the Britney Spears video I saw on youtube... "Leave him aaaloooone!"
Fact is, not that many more people showed up. Sure, the pews were a little more filled than usual but nothing to write home about.
I'm not against the brother nor am I for him. I don't know him enough to comment on his character. But what is evident is that those of you who claim to be such great supporters have pretty much "hung him out to dry."
When I look at all those protesters out there I am reminded of a cult church somewhere in Waco...
Sam:
Good to hear ETR was a blessing.
The bloggers are funny especially we care. If (or should I say when) the plantiffs lose, what is their backup plan? Is it to continue their sob sessions. Are they going to continue crying like a bunch of old ladies.
We Care why not use the alias WE LOSE or WE ARE DEFEATED, because I have a feeling you and entourage of bloggers will be tasting defeat. Maybe if would of attended ETR you may have repented and made an attempt to preserve the unity of the AA.
Onguard your prophet
And for posterity, I want to say, that regardless of the outcome in the courts today, our Bishop Torres is and will continue to be a brave hero in the eyes of many. I say this with the greatest respect and pride not only for Bishop Torres but for the other plaintiffs who have had the courage to stand up for what they know in their hearts is justice. God bless them for speaking out for us and for taking action for the betterment of our Assembly,. No matter what a judge decides, their sacrifice will not have been in vain for it has brought comfort to many to know that we still have brave men who serve the Lord in their fullest capacity. What a sacrifice they have made for God's church! God Bless us all.
Tea Time:
I feel for you. It is your loss that you do not know Bishop Abel V. Torres, a real loss. Your life would be a lot richer knowing him.
Onguard
I'm glad that many people were uplifted at End Times, because if only one person was recharged that was already a gain in God's eyes. As for Sam, I was so happy reading his post about End Times and I got all teary-eyed and goosebumps and all. I was already thanking the Lord for touching our dear Sammy. Then, lo and behold, BAM!BAM!BAM! Sammy's second directive came through and there he was again bashing God's children and calling them "wetbacks" and all sorts of other names. I was totally blown away and saddened. Nope, our Sammy did not get refurbished at all. Keep trying Sammy, its within your reach you just have to let go of all that hate towards your fellow Christians. We will keep praying for him though and of course for you since you are his little disciple.
God Bless Texas! Sing it, Sammy and Onguard, God Bless Texas.
Its monday morning and I feel victory in the air. Today, the gb will be justified.
Jail? You guys watch too much tv. No, nobody goes to jail in a civil lawsuit. Though I think that should be changed to send those who file frivilous lawsuits.
That means all the rebellious pastors who filed this frivilous lawsuit against the church.
Handcuff Andrade, Juahall, Tafoya, Baldemar, Juanito Sanchez, Chester Mendoza, loser Abel
Torres and all those rebellious consentors. Off to the gallows!
We Care, what happend to your big protest you and your Texanas were supposed to do at End Time Restoration? You blogging protestors are weak, have no heart, and are on the wrong side.
I can't believe how much you worship Abel Torres, as if he was you knight in shining armor.
HE IS
Plantiff stand up for what was right? Are not these plantiffs previous board members? According to the blog, the injustices started with Baldemar? If this is true, the only thing the plantiffs are contesting is their loss of power. If the plantiff's were to win, do you anticipate any change in the status Quo? NO!!!!
SUPPOSEDLY, the AA is a mess, but we should make sure to thank all responsible parties (The current GB, Baldemar, Art. Tafoya, Daniel Solomon).
Art Tafoya has done his share of messes Starting in New Mexico and into Arizona. Ask brother Naverete, Nat Tafoya and many others.
What decisions has Baldemar made that have caused damaged? I wonder how many Pastors left the AA under Baldemar administration. I wonder if we can thank Baldemar for the growth of the independent Apostolics.
Daniel Solomon has had his issues in Colorado.
For the exception of Abel Torres, I do not see any righteous attempt on the behalf of the Plantiffs.
Onguard
Sam:
We Care protest? that is too funny. Besides he is probably busy kissing the Ground and some anatomical parts of the plantiffs?
Off to the gallows mean ex-communicate
We Care,
It seems to me that anyone who gets too close to your idol seems to get the hatchet! You call that a blessing? Look at the lives of all the men who stood with him, most of their ministries are over for doing so. I guess the blessing is for us then. As all the bad apples are removed, a healthier harvest will arise!!
God Bless Jason and Jeff Aguilar. They have been persecuted because of the jelousy of many. These are two of the most talented musicians, producers in the history of the apostolic church. They deserve to be blessed by us. They have taken our apostolic music to higher levels. Marocs Witt tried to recruit them, but they had the conviction in their hearts to SAY NO! They decided to bless their apostolic roots, defend the apostolic doctrine, and be true to the Lord.
Sam and Onguard
How come the two of you can't make a comment without talking nasty and dirty? Do your pastors know this? Maybe you should set up another End Times. I'm praying God blesses you both.
And God bless Jason and Jeff Aguilar. We in Texas never said anything bad about them, heck, we don't even know them. It was you Californian who bashed them.
We Care, nasty? How about that nasty frivious lawsuit filed your rebelious pastors.
***BREAKING NEWS***
THE GENERAL BOARD WON
Well, now that the general board has been JUSTIFIED, its time to clean house and get rid of all the CANCER.
WE Care:
Can you confirm if the GB won? Can you check with your Pastor. Does your pastor know that you are on this blog? Are you too much of coward fess up? No need to get upset because you lost. Word of advice, change your alias to We Lose. Pack your bags and go join the independence.
Onguard
The judge - unfortunately - read our lame constitution and said 'according to this, there are more holes than a block of swiss cheese'.
While the election was absolutely unethical, the constitution allows it to be so.
So . . . . until the constitution is fixed, expect the same GB members to remain in power until God returns for His church. They can even pass their positions on to their children if they want.
Coming soon - Jaime Aguilar Bishop of Christian Education
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