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Hey, can peeps start giving themselves some type of identifier. Youon't have to put your real name, just something so we know who is saying what. Anything!
GB
A mike
Like choosing pieces in Monopoly - I'll be 600/2
You can call me 3:36!
For the person or persons that think that all the anonymous comments are chismes and not facts.
This comes from a person who recently worked at the HQ's as an administrator and has a general knowledge of how the HQ's are run.
This is not for gossip or slander purposes. First of all, I am grateful for the opportunity of having work there for two years and eight months. I came with a great desire to serve but since the past November elections everything change.
I will not go into details but a lot of the comments mention here are true.
I will sign my full name just to confirm that some of the comments in this blog are true.
As a reader you can discern what comments are true and which ones are gossip.
Let us pray for the the Apostolic Assembly.
Amador Gutierrez
Former Christian Education Administrator
God Bless you Bro. Amador.
Can you also validate the information on www.apostolicassembly.info?
Bro. Amador, were you aware that some pastors were kicked out of the assembly because the church properties were not in the assembly's name. While others, some of Valverde's buddies, were allowed to stay without retribution?
La Puente Bible School's Praud Alums
Samuel Valverde
Edward Pacheco
La Puente, can it be true?
Dinner is over
Election Fraud? It must be election fraud.
Signed,
Al Gore
El Partido Apostolico en una partida que no apollan fraude.
Sinceramente,
PRI
Bishop Sanchez even do we want you out, please do not give the church to Valverde , better call for new elections in November.
Then you will be healthy again, promise.
Wow my mouth is wide open after reading this!
No matter what side wins the only losers are the general members. We lost yesterday, we're losing now and we will go on losing til our Lord comes.
Wow things don't change I guess. we got a Bishop thats going after his cousins wife, another one was sent to spy on the Mexican Church, another ripped off a bunch of good general members out of their hard earned saving in a car scam and another pushed his weight around to destroy a Junior's camp. Geez I guess we can't win.
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Bro. Amador, saying that alot of what is being written is true is pretty vague. Can you be a little more specific? I mean some people are saying they are Al Gore and I know that's not the truth...Thanks
He also said: As a reader you can discern what comments are true and which ones are gossip.
It was the qualify board that either qualified or disqualified the person.
If this is true, there is one word IN MY OPINION that says it all why the board went bad...GAXIOLA
Young Pastors, do not be intimidated if you are not the best whatever. The church doesn’t want you to be the best (you name it)—they just want you to have the courage to do whatever is right based on scripture. As leaders in God’s church you are given an apostolic charge based on God’s word/authority to carry out your responsibilities without personal preference and partiality.
We are dependent on the pastors to look into this matter and to follow through in order to sustain LA PAZ DE CRISTO in our Apostolic Assembly
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People,
Find yourself a healthy church that is Christ-centered and not leader-centered;a church that comes no where near cultish tendencies.
Let's put ourselves in a place where we will be developed spiritually rather than stricken down; a place where we will be respected and nurtured not manipulated and left to starve.
have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather expose them" (Ephesians 5:11
I’d die before taking your money. I’m giving nobody grounds for lumping me in with those money-grubbing ‘preachers,’ vaunting themselves as something special. They’re a sorry bunch – pseudo-apostles, lying preachers, crooked workers – posing as Christ’s agents but sham to the core” (2 Corinthians 11:12-13 MSG).
Were all monies sent to "headquarters" at Jerusalem? Did local churches have their own funds?
Why did Paul take up a collection in the Gentile churches for the "poor saints in Jerusalem?" If Jerusalem was the headquarters and had all the money - why was a collection even needed?
We don't have evidence of central church control.
Nine fundamental problems in the AA.
1. Authoritarian Hierarchy.
2. Lack of Accountability.
3. Closed Communication.
4. Manipulation over Giving.
5. Financial control by the GB.
6.Local congregations not a true priority.
7. Chaos and confusion.
8.Lack of respect for members and pastors.
9. Organization more important than Jesus or people.
To the one who enjoys exhortation: You have been using the sacred word of God for your convenience. It seems as if you are trying to shoved it down the throats of others. God doesn't need your help! Your actions remind me of a child who doesn't get their way so they respond with foolish actions when he or she is ignored. The bible says "We can justify our every deed but God looks at our motives." Proverbs 21:2 NV. Dear saint be careful!!
To 1:44 AM,
Wow, those 9 fundamental problems ring so true. The GB needs people like you to help identify central points of failure and help fortify the framework of the AA. However, the tough part is trying to get them to lend an ear.
In my view, they have embraced their own views so tightly that they are on the verge of intellectual idolatry. Whereby they worship their own ideas and reject what makes Biblical sense.
That is very frustrating.
This is where we speak out, let our voices be heard and require accountability.
To 1:44 AM
Can you expand on those topics, they are really wow.
To 9:49 AM,
I have an example of:
4. Manipulation over Giving
In our district services the bishop always had the same pastor (RIP) pick up the offering. During the offering he would point out to different areas of the auditorium where he didn't see people running up to give. And as he was pointing to them he would hollar, "What are YOU, the WELFARE section! You need to come up...!"
Of course, that got people to get up, no one wanted to be pointed out that way.
The AA is nothing more than a Franchise Business for Christians.
Churches are required to pay a monthly "Franchise Fee" tithles to the main corporate office "Rancho Cucamonga".
In turn, the local AA Church is allowed to pass ownership to their family.
Examples:
Faith Tablernacle: Father Passed church to son.
Fountain of Truth: Cousin passed church to Counsin and is now prearing Jr for ministry.
Ontario: Father passed church to son.
Christian Tabernacle: Franchise allowed Pastors son to open his own CT back east. Former pastor passed church to son-in-law.
Family Life Center: Church is being passed to his son.
Anaheim: Bishop passed church to his son in law.
And the list goes on.......
Its called a Family Business, not a church
And don't get me started on the churches in northern California.
Like the song goes... "it's a family affair."
"4. Manipulation over Giving."
Brother Abel Aguilar's philosophy on tithers is, he will not ride with them in a car because he does not want to get killed along with them in a car accident for not paying tithes. He says this all the time at our church.
Go figure, him an Valverde are like white on rice. Both on the board, this is what they're teaching us. Bad, bad, bad!
Sanchez father a pastor
Valverde father a pastor
Pacheco father a pastor
Maffey father a pastor
Family Business
My bet- you're a non-tither. If you're not happy at Brother Abel's church- there's plenty more around the corner. But know that wherever you go- you will be required to tithe. We do it because that is what God is asking of us, we need to give Him what is his. If, whomever is at the head of his church, misuses that- that is on him. Not us, we are to do what is asked of us by God.
I personally don't have a problem with pastors leaving the churches to their sons, however, I have a problem with pastors leaving the churches to their incompetant sons. Why shouldn't they- they're the ones who've put in 20-30 years on the job, 24/7. Believe me, not ALL pastors are they way pastors are being described on this blog. God still has men of honour, dignity, honesty, and courage under Him.
Wow- you seem to be so busy being on the look out at the way everyone else is running things, don't forget to look in the mirror and look at how you are running your own christian life. Pastors/Bishops will give account to Him on things, and so will we.
Non-tither? LOL
The AA is a Non-Tither
If you take them time and actually read what tithing is about, then you will learn that the AA has become nothing more than pimps in the lines of Cashflow Dollar, TD Jakes, Benny Hinn, Juanita Bynum.
Valeverde and Aguilar have made and art out of manipulating money from welfare moms. Using the threat of hell should their members not tithe.
Not happy with Valverde and Aguilar? Leave the assembly- they're not going anywhere and all these comments aren't gonna change a darn thing. These blogs just serve as a way for us to vent. But in reality- the current GB will stay. LIke it or not, like them or not.
Don't want to give? Don't want to tithe? Hate the GB? Hate what they stand for? leave. simple as that- use the freedom you have and get up and go.
or as someone so 'eloquently' put it: shut up, sit down, and buckle up.
11:28 makes a really interesting point. If you complain about tithing or giving in your local church because the pastor "mishandles" the funds collected or for any other reason, then you are doing it with the wrong spirit anyways and you might as well not give.
There is no blessing in giving with bitterness. Also, your reaction shows that in your heart you are giving to man and not to God. If you give to God, He will bless you and thats all you have to worry about.
A Mike
Regardless of how ANYONE is teaching about tithing- the Bible clearly tells US to tithe our 10%- if we don't we're stealing from God. If you don't tithe- you're no different than the GB. You're no better. You give because that is your responsibility- they misuse- God will deal with THEM.
God loves a cheerful giver. . .
A bitter one may as well not give. Do you honestly believe that the taxes you pay to the U.S. is properly handled every step of the way? But you pay because you have no choice.
With God,we give our tithes because in reality- it's already HIS anyway- everything we have is. And really- is 10% that much anyway, compared to what He's given us? And you're worried about the mishandling of funds? You're complaining that Pastor Valverde and Pastor Aguilar are teaching tithing the proper way? That's why God gave us each our own brain my friend, so that we study the scriptures for ourselves so that if ANYONE is teaching wrong . . .
I don't know you, but I will pray for you.
I tithe, and I have no problem tithing. I've been raised Apo and tithing is something that I just do as a response to my love for God and his work.
However, when someone like brother Aguilar stands up and tells me that the reason I'm tithing is to avoid being killed in a car accident, that totally kills my tithe experience.
It's like me telling my wife she better keep cooking for me or I'll leave her.
Needless to say, I no longer go to that church.
True meaning of A Mike
A Microphone of the GB
Brother, be stronger than that- don't let ANYONE steal your blessing.
Take in the good- let the bad roll of your back.
Well I for one am appauled. Britney Spears has lost custody of her children. What is this world coming to?
Everywhere you go, someone is going to say something that doesn't sit well with you. Tell me you didn't leave ONLY because of that. There's something to be said of spiritual maturity.
To 11:53 AM
Congratulations!!! I bet besides tithing you have other good reason to have moved out of that church.
"Valeverde and Aguilar have made and art out of manipulating money from welfare moms. Using the threat of hell should their members not tithe."...LOL...
11:40 you are hilarious. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe they are on welfare because they don't tithe. In tithing we show submission and obedience to God and in so doing we receive His blessings. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
A Mike
No problem with giving and tithing.
The Lord love a cheerful giver.
I can only imagine what the Lord has in store for the bad adminitrators of the tithe, who use the tithe for their own gain instead of using it for its biblical purposes.
The Church's tithes are being fleeced.
The GB is at the head of the fleecing of the church.
to 11:40 entry: If you believe that the AA has become nothing more than pimps- don't choose to stay a prostitute then. Get out of the business. In otherwords, if you feel that bad about our assembly, membership is optional. to call them pimps is pretty harsh.
"True meaning of A Mike
A Microphone of the GB"...lol...
Thanks. I'll take that as a compliment.
A Mike
A Mike has no problem threatening hell to welfare moms that don't tithe.
Look Brother Valverde, your time is coming. You and the GB will be exposed.
If they're fleecing- God will take care of it at His time and in His way. Not in ours.
Why would you belong to an organizaiton full of crooks then?
to family business above:
I think the green-eyed monster is peering its ugly head because daddy doesn't have a church to give you.
daddy doenst have a church to give? now thats a good one. spoken like a true apostolic pk spoiled brat
Its sad to said but out of the seven deadly sis this GB are guilty of all.
sins
to 12:20 pm.- I'm not a PK- my parents are not converted. I'm the only one in my family. As for spoiled- maybe I am. I am a child of King. I will pray for you that you be delivered from bitterness.
"daddy doenst have a church to give? now thats a good one. spoken like a true apostolic pk spoiled brat"
Now there is a true Pk Brat. One that thinks off no one else but what they have to say.
To the young man or women who be encouraged don't let the comments of the brat's of this church discourage you.
Signed A PK that cares
"Its sad to said but out of the seven deadly sis this GB are guilty of all."
October 3, 2007 12:44 PM
Quit watching all those movies bro. C'mon, your killing me here. For all have sinned. Anyways, there is only one sin that is not forgiven- Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit-... That is attributing the works of God to the devil.... So be careful of what you speak.
A Mike
"A Mike has no problem threatening hell to welfare moms that don't tithe."... When people don't have any truth...they try and stretch it.
Did he actually say "you are going to hell"?
Any possible way he was trying to provoke their faith into action?
A Mike
An you A Microphone you need to start listening to bro. Amador Gutierrez
"An you A Microphone you need to start listening to bro. Amador Gutierrez"
I know who Amador is. I have met him a few times. He's a good Bro. However, What did he say? He didn't say anything.
A comment about some of the posts being true doesn't give all the comments made credibility. Some one said that you should be able to discern what is true.
Thats like getting those anoying spam messages that tell you you have been selected randomly to win $$$. All you have to do is click on the link. Which one of the many spam messages are telling you the truth.
99% of all the deragatory blogs on here are anonymous(Spam).
A Mike
I joined late, but isn't that what the New president would want? I believe that Sellout Sam would be happy if people stay or leave.
If they stay, he has an army & a wealth of real estate/bank accounts. If they leave as someone was waying ' if you don't like it leave - Then Sellout would be happy to give the buildings to those willing to follow him or sell them to generate cash
2:28- Bro. U are funny...
If people are unhappy with the leadership you have a right to voice your opinion, just do it respectfully.
If you have so much disdain for Pastor Sam...the door swings both ways...as they say "don't let the door it hit ya where the good lord split ya...lol... Just messing bro. Don't get all emotional.
Seriously, bitter people are the ones that truly hold the church from progressing. There are alot of things that I could have taken the wrong way throughout the years and have been bitter. Instead I choose to do all I can to make things better.
A Mike
Nothing to add. Just thought I would should the number of comments from 666 to 667. LOL
sorry, I meant change the number of comments
This brother A Mike working on behalf of the GB is like "Baghdad Bob
March 23, 2003
"In Umm Qasr, the fighting is fierce and we have inflicted many damages. The stupid enemy, the Americans and British, failed completely. They're not making any penetration
After U.S. Forces Seized Baghdad's Airport:
"We butchered the force present at the airport. We have retaken the airport! There are no Americans there!"
U.S. forces learned a lesson last night they will never forget. We slaughtered them and will continue to slaughter them."
"We have killed most of the [coalition] infidels, and I think we will finish off the rest soon
This invasion will end in failure."
"Baghdad Bob" disappeared, perhaps forever
The AA heroes arrived,their here, like it or not
Get it Mike Bob?
General Board = Blackwater
3:33 What in the heck are you talking about...haaaaa. That was a whole lot of nothing you just said there. I hope you feel better though.
Did you come up with that all by yourself?....lol...Bro. No more TV for you. You probably believe everything that is said there too.
You made my day!
A Mike... I mean Mike Bob....LOL
Where is Fortino in all this? He is sitting back doing nothing. He said God showed him to sit back and let others do all the work. Very nice! Those are the kind of leaders we don't need in the Assembly. He is playing both sides of the fence!
A. Mike
Of course I believe everything that is said on Fox. Fox is a very creditable source and I believe absolutely everything say about Blackwater.
I'm just messing.
My equating GB to Blackwater was meant to illustrate how sloppy and messy this whole thing has gotten because of lack of accountability, just like Blackwater.
A more appropriate reference to the GB would be:
GB = Apostoliban
"Seriously, bitter people are the ones that truly hold the church from progressing. There are alot of things that I could have taken the wrong way throughout the years and have been bitter. Instead I choose to do all I can to make things better."
A Mike
Whatever Baghdad Bob, err, I mean A Mike.
Bahgdad Bob has found a job in the USA.
He goes by Rancho Cucamonga Mike!
ha ha ha ha....lol
Rancho Mike. Thats exactly how the GB runs the AA, like if they are back in the Rancho.
what the ????
The AA GB cons the poor to give to the Lord and then spends the money on Escalades, million dollar houses, a life of luxery. I always wondered why the GB was always hard at work. They have busy raking in the money. TAX FREE?
Trivia Question.
Whats is Sam Valverde and Edward Pacheco's favorite day of the week?
Trivia Answer:
Monday
Why? Because thats the day they make the Bank Deposit. For all that hard, back breaking work on sunday.
The rumor is bishop Sanchez spoke to his ministers and told them he is thinking of resigning. Any thoughts?
By the way, if you read the constitution Valverde CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT automatically become president. A new election would have to take place.
Which article?
Is there any provision in the constitution for a recall?
...and aren't you supposed to have served as a bishop before you can be the president or vp?
Article 22 I
Whenever the Bishop President (SANCHEZ)leaves his functions, due to death, irrevocable resignation, or cessation , the Bishop Vice-President (VALVERDE)shall become the new Bishop President, after he has been sworn in by the Bishop General Secretary (PACHECO)in the presence of the remaining members, or a majority of the General Board of Directors.
Oh my God!!! now I get it.
WELCOME TO SAM'S CLUB.
If Valeverde become Bishop President, he will probably move to amend the bible to require that tithes be increased to 25%, Plus your First Fruit.
AYE CARUMBA!
And he'll appoint Timmy V as his VP.
It will be La Puente Bible School for all the ministry. Keep em dumb Sam!
I want Mike A to replace the fallen GB5.
then it be the GB4 and Mikey Aaaa
ALERT!!!!
Information leaked from key GB leaders inner circle that if the lawsuit goes forward that some key GB members will not wait for the verdict, but will resign their position and leave the AA just if the lawsuit is filed.
The potential damage of losing the lawsuit that will forever scar the respect and dignity of some of the current GB members is too much of a risk. Not only the damage of a potential loss, but the potential damage of association with a GB administration in question seems to be fracturing the current GB cohesivness.
In addition to reputation and legacy, these leaders may seem to think that they carry enough clout to leave and then attract key AA leaders to join them and start a new organization.
The above statement is a fact not fiction!!!
This makes sense. It seems that some of these GBs finally have some smarts about them. People like Abel would probally be more apt to do this. He has a great reputation with the UPC and other Oneness leaders and to take a hit like this would greatly ruin his reputation. If he resigned, he would look like a leader that is more concerned about the AA, and would rather step aside then to be associated with the now defunt GB. Actually, whoever resigned first would look like a leader more concerned about the AA then their own position. This is what most political leasders so when they want to salvage their legacy in the midst of a scandal: i.e Newt Gingrich. Although Newt messed up, he quickly resigned for the good of his party, saving his repuation and the keeping alive the potential for a comeback. Actually, Dan Sanchez had the same opportunity to lead on this issue by resigning and forever solidifying his legacy as a man who put the unity of the church first. If he would of stepped down for the good of the AA, he would have been hailed a hero and still had the potential to be an influential Apostolic leader. He still may have the opportunity to do this. For the exception for us bloggers, the issue remains somewhat behind the scenes.
We'll see?
To follow up with my previous post, who do you think can resign and say it's for the good of the AA and come out looking like a true leader?
If Dan Sanchez resigns, he would resign, stating that he is more concerned about the unity of the church and the furtherence of the Gospel. This would put Sam into President, leading to further chaos and backlash againts the GB. Right now, Sanchez has many people that respect him and see him as a man caught up in the ambitions of the VP and now a genius of a Sec. With Valverde and Pacheco at the helm, and Sanchez out of the picture, the revolt againts that not too popular Valverde and Pacheco would greatly increase.
This would probally lead a re-election and Sam leaving the AA to start a new organization.
Just a theory if Daniel Sanchez resigns.
We definately do not want to be lead by men that had to file a lawsuit to gain their position. They the new GB and the Assembly will forever be tainted.
I would rather be under Abel Aguilar and Dan Sanchez, Sam Valverde leadership than the has beens like Baldemar, Tafoya and Solomon.
All other effective leaders will splinter into small non effective cliques.
The only winner here will be the United Pentecostal Church International.
Brother Haney, Here we come!
One of the key ministers of Sam Valverde mention that they been planning to come out of the AA for a good number of years, that's one of the reasons Sanchez allow him to mess the elections to save the unity of his GB and the church .
To 8:42
You prefer to be lead by crooks?
Nobody knows who will be in the new GB remember we will have transparent elections, instead of moving to UPC lets start praying for our new leaders.
I was reading again through the documents in the AA-INFO site again to refresh my memory. The following stood out to me.
On the link http://www.apostolicassembly.info/APOSTOLICASSEMBLYLETTERS.doc,
which was supposedly transcribed from spanish to english by whom?
Bishop Tafoya? and released to the some anonymous individual on the internet that claims to not have any relation or affiliation to him or any other brothers on the MOI list.
Bologna!
Who else would release these documents? Who else would be in possession of this document? It was only addressed to him. This matter should have been taken to the Episcopal (26 Bishops) body and resolved at that level. As a matter of fact it was resolved at that level. So in fact, the issue was taken to the church and he still did not like what HE heard and played the "scripture" card by trying to say he was taking it to the rest of the church.
Three times this was addressed.
1. At the GB level.
2. At the bishops level
3. At the pastoral level.
How many times does he have to keep being told no?
Now we are at the Court of California level.
In the aforementioned letter, the board extended a personal invitation to hear him on a set date and discuss the matter, this was witnessed by eight individuals. How can they keep saying that they where not heard?
This whole matter comes down to the following paragraph in a letter from the GB to him alone, which was supposedly translated by someone who claims to have no affiliation with him or any others on the MOI.
"Bishop Tafoya, keep in mind that section V of article 5 provides for opportunity for any minister with a right to vote, to present any objection that he would have against any candidate for the Qualifying Committee “after the candidates have been announced and before they have been presented in prayer” in the moment of the elections. You had the opportunity to object to each candidate throughout the entire process and you did not do it, neither did any of the other hundreds of pastors that were there.
On the other hand, you accepted to be candidate, for two positions in the General Board of Directors with the approval of the Qualifying Commission to which you are now questioning its “ethics and actions”".
In the district of AZ, when Bishop Tafoya did not like someone or something, he would send letters out to all the pastors for political posturing/spin and call those that opposed him rebellious and divisive against the leaders of the church.
Now we see him sending out letters to the entire Pastoral body, which is beyond the scope of his Episcopal boundary and acting in the same rebellious and divisive manner which is evidenced by the following paragraph from the GB to the pastoral body(in the previous stated link)
"Also, we inform you that categorically we will not be proceeding with the suggestion of Bishop Arturo Tafoya to postpone the Church Roadmap Seminars. They will be held, God willing, just as how they were programmed for in the four regions of the country. On the contrary, we feel very excited for the large number of pastors and ministers that have registered, as of yesterday, more than 636. Nonetheless, in case the suggestion of Bishop Tafoya caused some doubt or distraction for attending these events"
He is upset he did not get a GB position and is now trying to bully his way into said position.
At the pastoral level.????
When
To 9:36 PM,
Just one simple question. Yet no one can answer it, it's the riddle of the century. Everyone dances around it, under it, and over it.
Regardless of who wants position and who is after power, and who does what in their district, and how many tacos they ate last Sunday; the question still stands. How in the world does a man with only two votes receive a position on the board? Especially with such a tainted past? In fact, he did a horrible job while he was missions director and yet they allowed him back on the board after proving how unqualified he was.
This is just beyond me.
That's right the worst foreign missions director ever. Left the department without money, and the missionary's hungry. Where was the CID applied. Plus two votes.
Yes, the "two-vote" issue is at the center of this issue. If the GB desires to appoint leadership, rather then elect, then that should be a matter of policy and a contitutional ammendment.
For the GB to drastically deviate from historical, electoral prsidents, and most importantly not honor their own processes, the GB loss creditabilty and integrity for all other traditions and processes they are commissioned to adminstrate.
Organizational leaders that do not honor their organizations process are destained to lose honor for their leadership and capacity to lead.
Board members themselves admit that when Pacheco was missions director, he would wine and dine at the finest of places while on "missions trips". He would also stay at very very expensive hotels and he would purchase expensive clothing and the missions account would pay for all of this.
By the time Pacheco got voted out the missions budget was in the red.
Tell me, how did he get back in? His primito gave him the "family hook up".
With all of his family members traveling with him, all expenses paid with flor azul funds.
I hear from the inside that Pacheco met with ministers from the IE recently asking them to invest in his company so they could by homes to fix up and sell to put towards a retirement fund guaranteeing them a return of 25%.
Seems fishy. Seems like he never quit his ways.
I think I found out who's idea the Doctrine Symposium -- check out the newsletter on Sam Valverde's website:
http://fountainoftruth.com/images/pdfs/oct_eng_2007_bulletin.pdf
or smaller link:
http://tinyurl.com/376593
And by the way, if a symposium is where Ph.D.s share their research or papers, which Ph.Ds will share their research at the convention? Didn't they kick off the only GB member with a real doctorate, Bro. Fortino?
I meant to say who's ideas it was to have a symposium at the convention. With Sam having one at his church it may have been his idea to have one at the convention.
Just another example of how influential her is.
For all you LOGOS fans:
Logos does not hold Regional Accreditation, nor is Logos approved by the Federal Department of Education. However, many schools that are so approved have accepted transfer of Logos students.
For those of you that are critizies Bishop Edward Pacheco on his "suits" Well I can say that I believe that Bishop Pacheco did make a terrible mistakes with the car pyrimids. I remember quite well, but he was very VERY young and it was "fair" but he was used by some woman from Tucson, Arizona that had the scheme..
Any way I believe that Bishop Pacheco "has prayed through" AS THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH TEACHES.
But if you are critizing his suits, look at THE BOOK, 'LA HISTORIA DE LA ASAMBLEA APOSTOLICA DE LA FE EN CRISTO JESUS. LOOK THE SUITS, BISHOP ANTONIO CASTANEDA NAVA WORE, DURING THE PRIME TIME OF THE 'GREAT DEPRESSION'
WOW THOSE WERE SUITS...LIKE THE 'CHICAGO ERA'
BUT OF COURSE NO CRITICISIUM WAS DONE ON THAT WE TOOK SO MUCH FOR GRANTED....'A WAY TO SALVATION.'
SURE THE FELLOWSHIP IS WONDERFUL AND OF COURSE THE BIBLE SAYS, 'WITH THIS YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES THAT YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER..AND BELIEVE ME,
WE LOVE EACH OTHER TERRIBLY AND WITH GREAT PASSION...BUT SO MANY HAVE LEFT OUR WONDERFUL CHURCH BECAUSE OF SO MUCH 'HURTS' AND DISOLUTIONS...
ON THE VEIL ISSUE...BROTHER ANTONIO CASTANEDA NAVA LOPEZ, NEVER ALLOWED HIS SWEET, PRECIOUS WIFE TO 'WEAR A VELO' BROTHER NAVA WOULD TELL SISTER NAVA,
'TAKE OFF THAT 'RAG' AND WEAR YOUR HAT'.
HE NEVER NEVER NEVER ALLOWED HER TO WEAR A 'VELO' IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE 'CATHOLIC RELIGION' A CULTURAL ISSUE.
For your information Brother Nava and Brother Llorente came from the Pentecostal Assembiles of the World, issued their first credentials..So the women were HATS TILL THIS DAY.
THE 'REAL VEIL IS THE ONE THAT REBECCA WORE WHEN SHE CAME TO ISAAC AND THAT LEAH WORE TO 'FOOL' JACOB THAT SHE WAS RACHEL..
'NOT THAT PIECE OF THIN LACE THAT THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY WOMEN ARE FORCED TO WEAR, IN ORDER TO BE 'CLONED' AS 'SAVED' WOW....
THE BIBLE CALLS IT A 'COVERING
NOT A 'THIN PIECE OF NET..
What's the IE?
Also, Pacheco looks like a Real Estate flipper.
Now, let's not go down that road. Does anybody know an Apostolic loan specialist tha hooked up all the hermanos with a 1% adjustable HELOC, and now the whole church is attacked by foreclosure and debt demons because they can't make the payments?
Now that's some interesting blogging! The Apostolic Church and the Housing Crisis!
Hey, webmaster, please start a post where angry Apostolics can rant about how hermanos in thier church taht hooked everybody up with a 1% adjustable-rate HELOC and now the whole church will go bankrupt in by the enf of the year?
How many loan specialist are driving a Navigator in your church because they made 3% of HELOC loans to all the hermanos? Now, these people can't afford the loan, but you got your bling ride.
Do you think there are a few people out there with something to say?
From Sam Valverde Sep. bulletin
He's the King of Recruiting
Tell me of any other Apostolic Church That announce something like this
"If you are transferring from another
Apostolic Church, please provide a
Letter of Recommendation.
If for some reason you don’t have or can’t
get a letter, please make an appointment
with Assistant Pastor Sam Rojas. He will
be more than happy to assist you"
I don't think Valverde recruits. He actually is a good enough communicator and can fake the funk enough to attract people to him.
However, his church growth has plateaued because you can only get so far with plagiarism.
People leave as many come in.
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Wow, if I've ever seen the "prosperity gospel" so eloquently put.
IE = Inland Empire
IE is the home of Valverde, Pacheco, Baldemar, Jimmy Mena, and the great and awesome Jimenez family.
I have a solution for all the foreclosure demons out there. Send a Frist Fruit Seed to Jason Aguilar and Valverde and Pacheco and Sanchez and Duarte and Solomon and Prado and buy a Praise CD from GB5 and Jaime Aguilar and your problems will go away and then you can come in here and give us a priase report.
Isn't Jason Aguilar selling energy drinks, too?
Attention pastors!!!
If you are going to the general convention I advice you to buy the book: Robert's Rules of Order Revised.
Don't leave home without it.
To Brother "Levels": The matter has not been taken to any level whatsoever. The GB only presents their point of view, but they haven't given anybody any opportunity to present their evidence. They deny all the wrongdoing hoping everybody will believe them just because they are the GB. They asked for a vote of confidence at a meeting of the GB and Bishops without allowing the presenting of evidence to the Bishops of what happened. Everything they have done so far is in the interest of misleading people and denying anyone an opportunity to present evidence of irregularities. They say they have offered to talk to the "main three" in the demand letter and anybody else, but their idea of "talking" is only for the purpose of explaining that their reasons for their actions were perfectly appropriate. They have no intentions of allowing anyone to present any evidence. They did the same thing at the convention and they are doing it now. Rest assured that the whole truth about what happened will come out soon.
ALERT!!!!
Information leaked from key GB leaders inner circle that if the lawsuit goes forward that some key GB members will not wait for the verdict, but will resign their position and leave the AA just if the lawsuit is filed.
The potential damage of losing the lawsuit that will forever scar the respect and dignity of some of the current GB members is too much of a risk. Not only the damage of a potential loss, but the potential damage of association with a GB administration in question seems to be fracturing the current GB cohesivness.
In addition to reputation and legacy, these leaders may seem to think that they carry enough clout to leave and then attract key AA leaders to join them and start a new organization.
"I want Mike A to replace the fallen GB5.
then it be the GB4 and Mikey Aaaa"
Do I actually get to sing or should I lip Sync?
One condition, I wont wear shades in the dark or scarfs in the summer....lol j/k. I know the GBees. Most of them are pretty cool peeps.
A Mike
Is it safe to say that the GB are out of touch with their membership?
Levels discussion -
1. I'm not sure the GB has put out any point of view, they have no mention of this on their website so all that we are hearing is from the pro-lawsuit side. We are only hearing oneside of the story and we should be wise enough to know that there are three sides to this story.
2. What you are indicating is that Bishop Tafoya did not appear before his summons to discuss the matter on the date that the GB set aside time to hear him? Is this true, or did hear appear, if so then...
3. You admit that the board heard him and offered an explanation, this contradicts what they are basing on scripture for making all this information public.
4. As far as evidence goes, www.apostolicassembly.info, there is no clear indication of wrong doing. I can agree that the CID allowed this to happen. However with the CID in place, there was no wrong doing.
The clear answer is to remove the CID and go forward into the next scheduled election with pastors and bishops understanding what types of leaders we've dealt what type of leaders are needed to overcome this stigma and move to the next level.
It appears Bishop Tafoya did clearly think his strategy through and it has backfired on him. He certainly will have no position on any board in the future.
Brother 9:34am,
I think you meant Bishop Tafoya did not clearly think his strategy through...
Nine fundamental problems in the AA.
1. Authoritarian Hierarchy.
2. Lack of Accountability.
3. Closed Communication.
4. Manipulation over Giving.
5. Financial control by the GB.
6.Local congregations not a true priority.
7. Chaos and confusion.
8.Lack of respect for members and pastors.
9. Organization more important than Jesus or people.
Can somebody address this 9 problems one by one?
What do you mean by "address" these problems? You mean elaborate? Show examples? Because I have plenty of examples.
give us examples then.
ALERT!!!
If you forward inside information about the GB to at least 5 people, you will recieve a check in the mail for $100....lol... C'mon..
A Mike
1. Authoritarian Hierarchy.
My pastor says I will go to hell if I don't obey him. He and his grown kids also have the habit of telling people they have demons when they question or do not agree with a pastor's idea or view.
This pastor is on the board.
Who's your pastor?
1. Authoritarian Hierarchy.
My pastor said my family and I can't go on vacation because there's a revival that weekend. We had the vacation planned for 4 months, he said if we went we would more than likely get in some kind of accident for going with out his blessing.
We didn't go on our vacation, and my pastor got into a fender bender that weekend. My wife had to bite her tongue really hard.
I have to agree with 9:34.
Most of the information posted is one sided or partial.That is why people should hold their judgements based on partial "facts."
I don't think that the GB did anything mailciously. The CID article, which 99% of all pastors approved to start being used again allowed for this to happen. It's been in the constitution a long time, it just wasn't being practiced.
Things could have been handled in a different way so that there would not be any room to be suspicious about anything. I hope we can learn from this experience and grow.
A Mike
Why do you allow yourselve to be in that situation. This question is commonly asked of women who are in abusive relationships. Why do you stay? Are you insecure? Are you an enabler? Do you need a monkey on you back?
Our pastors seem to forget who is serving who here.
You are in an abusive relationship, it needs to stop.
Hey 10:44
Do you hold a position of authority in the church (Minister, deacon, muscician, worship leader)?
How long did you know about the revival?
Your answers will reveal whether or not your pastor asking you to stay weas justified.
Obviously saying you were going to get into a car accident regardless of your answers was uncalled for.
But based on what happend to him (Fender Bender) we can deduce that God is the one that judges each man and rewards accordingly.
So then, why do we all get bent out of shape if God is still able to make man accountable for stepping out of His will?
A Mike
A Mike
Yes, I'm a minister at the church. The revival had only been a three month coordination effort and my pastor knew all along that my family and I would not be there. He panicked when he discovered none of the local pastors had announced the revival at their churches and demanded that no one from our local church miss the revival and if they need to miss they needed to speak with him to get approval.
I told him that my wife and I are burnt out and hadn't had a vacation and we really needed it. Besides, I already knew all of Ceniseros' stories, I have them memorized by heart. But the pastor insisted that he is my authority and if I go without his blessing something bad would happen.
I'm not bent out of shape, I'm just posting because someone asked for an example of authoritarian leadership.
I'm leaving the AA soon anyways, things just keep getting worse and worse.
11:05
I can understand your frustration. It was wrong to be put in that situation.
I didn't mean to say you were getting bent out of shape. I meant it more for the people who are out there saying spitefull things about the Men of God.
Not all pastors in the AA are like that. GB U were ever you go. I hope you find a good church.
Now this is just getting to old. One side says something and the other side says something. We have gotten both sides of the stories now it is up to us to make astute decisions. Name bashing and slandering is really unfitting of us. God is ultimately going to make the decision over which site is right and which side is in the wrong.
Should we believers of the faith not do what God has called us to do?
Pray and wait.
Instead of starting rumors or not.
Rumors have always been the downfall of everyone. We are criticizing one another making cruel joke’s about people we once cared for or should I dare say it loved.
Everything is being handled as is. This is how we should leave it.
What if it was our grandfathers or our fathers that would be getting criticized would we not get hurt and feel bad? We need to stop caring about who did what. God is already taking care of it and we should ultimately leave it in God's hands. So let us do what we should and pray for everyone involved on both sides and for our churches and church members and pray that this does not have an even more devastating effect on our families.
Just a thought feel free to say whatever.
We have a lot to thought:
1. I believed that we need to removed the generational curses left by Bro. Nava and look up to MoG like brother Llorente, Cantu, Vizcarra, mighty warriors in our AA.
2. We need a deep reform in our way of thinking and removed any religious and cult traditions from our spotted past.
3.Take that veil away from our sisters, and allow wedding rings.
4. Revised our constitution from top to button. The elections process, annulled the CID document.
5. Used our resources more wisely, be accountable in every aspect, transparent in everything we do.
5. Take away so much power on the hands of the GB.
6. We need restoration of true apostolic values.
7. Stay away from titles and political positions and go back to real Apostolic Ministries, if you only have a title we don't want you, if you have a ministry you are welcome.
I do not question the tactis. I know the tactics first hand. I understand that there is a lot of pain and hurt behind what everyone is saying.
I just think it is a little childish of us to go on and on.
The men that are standing up for the truth I have full confidence in the actions they are taking.
All I am saying is can we all not be a little more civil.
I also appluad the men that are standing up for the the truth.
This is true, we need to understand that Lordship of the flock belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ, NOT to pastors. We are just stewards NOT owners! Many incensitive, and immature decisions like this only demonstrate a sense of Insecuirity in the pastors heart. Men like this need to reaccess their call and reset their perspective back to their original purpose. BECOME A SERVANT TO OTHERS FIRST!
"My pastor says I will go to hell if I don't obey him. He and his grown kids also have the habit of telling people they have demons when they question or do not agree with a pastor's idea or view."
Sorry, I don't mean to laugh but....LOL.... Does He and His Family really say that. I' can't believe that there are people that have this mentality in a Pastorship role...
A Mike
12:23
Preach Preacha! True words of wisdom.
A Mike
I fully understand what you are saying. In the days we that we live in today their are many people that feel like that. I think we need to get a better training program for our leadership and make them understand a concept that is hard to break. The all about Me concept. It is not in just in one particular group. It is almost in every denomination. We need people that are not worried about what GOD can do for me rather worry about what We can do for God. To many are worried about getting noticed that they sacrifice their moral, dignity, and even look down on those who they think are "not at their level"
Can anybody out there tell me how a Christian fulfills the Law?
I'm going to have my own personal protest this sunday. I will be staying home, relaxing, listen to some online sermons in the morning, take my kids to the park, have a bbq with my wife and kids, then relax and watch some NFL Football.
You all can have your petty little church with your petty little politics and petty little lawsuits.
The GB has turned the AA into Jerry Springer.
This is TRUE SERVANT TO OTHERS asking the question, "How does a Christian fulfill the Law?"
You fulfill the law by breaking the law.
Signed,
A Certain Pastor/Bishop from Corona
Regarding the recent story involving Isaac (of GB5), they aired an update yesterday: CBS is retracting their story (probably for fear of being sued for defamation of character) they confirmed their story was missing pertinent facts. Isaac had already began the refunding of his customers mentioned, and was already in contact with his customers. CBS Dan Ball stated he and his team had only reported what was told them. Isaac issued a written statement stating the truth behind the closing of his window business was due to the current rise in real-estate bank fall outs leaving him no alternative but to close doors due to the recent decline of customers. It seems CBS reporter Dan Ball misrepresented the truth behind this unfortunate situation. Isaac stated his attorney was currently reviewing the case to see if he should move forward with legal action for defamation of character.
Well folks, looks like we've got another case of us Apostolocos jumping the wagon of judement to cast the first stone. I'll be the first to admit it.
Is it true? Apostolic Assembly = Organized Mexican Cheese Spreaders?
A Mike,
You'd be surprised what is out there! In our very own Apostolic churches. It is ridiculous.
Pastor's sons trying to walk on water, some saying that angels are hovering over them and giving them messages, others prophesying to poor families saying next year they will be millionaires, others making legs grow!
We don't need longer legs, how about healing half the board from diabetes? I mean come on, if you can make a leg grow, make diabetes be gone - forever!
En el NOM!
I'm still chuckling; longer legs? You can't be serious.
Longer legs? Try healing with Gold Teeth.
Retracted? Then why is the story still on their website? Why is there no note of the "Retraction".
Alert!!!!
This case is going before a court of law, the information at that time will become public. There will be some collateral damage done. There are no personal agendas other than justice is served to our beloved fellowship.
This will be pursue to its finality-justice.
1:22 on GB5
The story is still posted on cbs, there is no retraction.
It appear the Indio Police Department is investigating the issue.
"Can anybody out there tell me how a Christian fulfills the Law?
October 4, 2007 1:13 PM"
No one can fulfill the Mosaic law, That's why God had to manifest Himself in flesh and become the ultimate sacrifice for the forgivness of our sins. For it is written that if you break one; you ar guilty of them all.
However- If you are talking about the Royal law. Then that is fullfilled by loving your neighbor as yourself James 2:8
A Mike
My family lives in Coachella Valley, it aired local news yesterday. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they take the link off their site.
I'll leave you with this:
"Whoso is glad at his neighbors calamities shall not go un-punished" Proverbs 17:5
Regarding the fulfillmrent of the Law, thats our problem with our mentality!We have been taught that we are beyond the Mosaic Law because we live under grace. Wrong!!! When Jesus was talking about laws there two kinds. The Law of Moses and the law added by the pharises and priests of the time. If you read Romans 13:8,10 it says this, "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law...Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." Galatians 6:2 also says, "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." We get so cought up on practical law (not bad in itself) that we forget the real reason for the law SOULS. We fulfill ALL the purposes of everything we practice and believe, WHEN WE LOVE OTHERS AS OURSELVES. The GB has forgoten this principle! We must go back to the root cause for Jesus dieing on the cross. SOULS!!! FIRST LOVE THEM - THEN TECH THEM!!!
SERVANT TO OTHERS
I knew there was more to this story. I know GB5 and with all that's being said of them, they're really some cool bros. Good to hear the truth was finally told. I hope Isaac goes forward with a lawsuit against that reporter! Hey with all the money he's gonna win he can pay for the next 3 GB5 recordings!
You know if they weren't any good, people would careless who they where on what happened to them.
Take that as a compliment.
Isaac admitted on the phone, while being on tv that he was having hardships and that's why he didn't provide the service he promised. It still does not make his behavior legal.
Also, the defrauded customers, are they actors then? Are the bare windows on these homes just an allusion? I don't think so.
What is wrong with all these apostolic "celebrities"? They get a little clout and they think they're above all ethical values.
Its not a retraction. No story is being retracted.
If so, are the police reports being retracted too?
Have the Indio PD terminated their investigation?
The shutter scam story is on the very front page of cbs2. Retract y nada.
If the news agency had been threatened and had admitted fault, it wouldn't be right smack on their homepage in the "feature stories" section.
Feature Stories means, you really need to read this. This is contradictory to "retracting"
yes i saw it, i live in indio. it was short but local news did mention it at the end. not much was said just that after further investigation they were glad to report all parties were satisfied and no charges were being filed.
Well there you go! Retract y que? lol Yup just goes to show you, we can't even believe what's in the news these days. After viewing the video again, they probably arent too worried about taking the video off the site because in it that reporter keeps using the word "alleged" meaning we're not stating this as a fact but just the way it seems. He'll probably use that as his defense if Isaac pursues the case in court.
It occur to me this will be the fist time in the AA history that the entire GB is going to resign.
Any update on the lawsuit?
Yeah ok now that the GB5 story is cleared up, what about the General Board...any updates?
Why do you keep saying they are resiging? They give no indication of that! If you think they are going to resign because you keep putting it on this blog, you are mistaken.
How do you know?
Why would they resign? A group with absolute power is hardly inclined to resign. They are very powerful men who use "Godly" intent for their actions. Anyone who questions, doubts or points out anything is a rebellious witch who wishes nothing but failure for God's work.
Men who use divine virtue as an underlying motive for their unethical actions are men whose minds you cannot change. After all, they're doing the will of their "Father".
I agree, their doing the will of their daddies.
Judging bt all of your posts, there is unrefuted proof that chisme of your mothers has met the internet age.
Out with The Old Regime in with the new.
Heres a thought how about fair elections and prayer and fasting and seeking God's will before an election ?
Politics out God and his anointing In !
To October 4, 2007 10:47 AM
Lets ASSUME they used the CID. And lets further ASSUME they found some justifiable reason to disqualify Bro. Juan Fortino. You say they used CID. Explain two vote Eddie.
600/2
Sorry there is no explanation, other than fraud, that's why we are going to court.
2/600
I don't think you realize if he had only one vote, the CID is what allowed the disqualification of the the majority vote nominee.
The CID is the culprit.
The fact is the lawsuit IS baseless, remove the CID and proceed.
Bishop Tafoya should be heading the charge to rescind the CID. He would look like a real leader instead of a sore loser.
Thank you and good night.
Whoever came up with the idea of having a CID should be removed from position and be put as head usher of the local church in a 3rd world country, and allow him to use the CID on his usher staff.
The CID was a ticking time-bomb. I had seen it coming from the very beginning.
So why waist so much money having an electoral convention add to that the time waist by 600+ MoG
(7 AM to 6 PM) .If the Qualifying commission allowed the disqualification of the majority vote nominee.
CID writer Ismael Martin del Campo.
CID mastermind Samuel Valverde.
The CID is not the culprit.
The real perpetrators are the Qualifying commission.
October 4, 2007 9:54 PM
CID is not a part of the consitution.
The author of CID doesn't think before he writes - more often, he doesn't even write. He has someone else do it for him.
That being said, holding Martin del Campo responsible is like putting a 2 year old at the wheel of a running car and pointing it to the cliff. He just isn't capable. The only thing that would save the 2 year old is if that car was one of two-vote Eddie's cadillac that never materialized.
The CID document was the weapon utilized to kill the future ministry and service of some of our most brilliant leaders.
The definition of CID in the dictionary:
"El Cid" is derived from the word al-sīd in the Andalusian Arabic dialect (from the Arabic sayyid, "chief" or "lord,")
Its a principality and power
It's too bad that some of these Pastors, who really have no business being pastors, have given a bad name to the good ones that there are.
In most jobs, when you are not producing, you get let go. Why aren't some of these pastors being monitored? Why do some churches only have 30-50 people? That sends me to the Elders and Bishops then. They aren't monitoring these churches, therefore not doing their jobs. What exactly is the point of an Elder? Too many chiefs.
Makes me wonder how and what these pastors are teaching in order for their churches to be stuck in such a slump. One can't pastor a church from manuals received at pastor conferences. Pastors have to have THE calling, they have to have the love for the people and the work of the Lord (actually get their hands in the nitty gritty and not just sit back and delegate) they have to be prayer warriors, spiritual guides, counselors- there's more to being a pastor than just having the title.
How I wish some of these incapable pastors would realize their limits. There's nothing wrong with saying, "I just couldn't do it" and step aside. In fact, that's admirable. But when they insist on staying on and drain their church of all funds and basically teach nothing-- then are perplexed as to why there is no growth of any kind . . .
We're no one to judge who has a calling and who doesn't, but when you are able to see the fruits of their work in their churches . . . well you can't help but know who does and who doesn't.
It's so sad that there are pastors who see what is supposed to be a calling-- a "job". Being a pastor is not a job, it's a lifestyle that should reflect God in every aspect.
Although I agree, that there are some pastors who really shouldn't be in that position, let us not forget that our assembly still has many pastors who are true men of God. Who were called of God and not of a Bishop. Men who felt that stirring in them, a stirring that wouldn't let them be, instead of just being plucked out of a congregation. Men who still go to God for EVERY answer. Men who aren't afraid to pray and teach that.
Let's pray to God to send us the men that He wants to lead us, not necessarily the men that WE want.
God have mercy on all of us. . .
Or, rather than praying that God send someone to lead us, we can also pray that God sends us to someone that is already leading.
God give us clarity to join with those who are already in your will.
WRONG!
We are someone to judge. Whats wrong with judging pastors/ministers who need to get the boot?
All this "We are nobody to judge" is the same type of mentality that gave the pastorhip to people like Rick Ramirez, let people stay in pastorship while dwindling down membership, Abel Villanueva, promoted a crook, Isai Baeza, let pastors remain while their convicted molesters served in ministry and taught at a christian school, Daniel Hernandez and the list goes on...
Some victims of child molestations wish someone would have judged Pastor Daniel Hernandez.
The victims of fraud wish someone would have judged Pachueco.
These atrocities were committed under the administration of his holiness Baldemar.
Would someoone stand up and start judging!
What about Valverde who required all of his ladies to wear closed shoes with pantyhose. No open-toed shoes allowed and Skirts and dresses must be worn at or below the knee. Same requirement in our prison system DRESS CODE FOR VISITATION. The reason in a prison is with the idea of not turning man on and causing a riot. So the problem is not in the skirts or shoes is in the heart of men.
The CID is not the culprit.
The real perpetrators are the Qualifying commission.
Daniel Sanchez
Samuel Valverde
Arturo Espinosa
Celestino Guzman
Felipe Gaxiola
This men have lot of explaining to do. Hopefully it will be in front of a Judge in a court of law, Since they thought they were above the Law, because of their positions.
The youth convention will be celebrated simultaneously with the ministerial convention.
Beware: when you go to the bathroom
if you see a foot under the stall divider that's the flor azul ministry in action, please report it to an undercover GB member.
The CID is not the culprit.
The real perpetrators are the Qualifying commission.
The CID document was the weapon utilized to kill the future ministry and service of some of our most brilliant leaders.
Daniel Sanchez
Samuel Valverde
Arturo Espinosa
Celestino Guzman
Felipe Gaxiola
This men have lot of explaining to do. Hopefully it will be in front of a Judge in a court of law, Since they thought they were above the Law, because of their positions.
WOW
sounds
like
valverde
has
a
fetish
I have contacted many people that are computer illiterate or do not own computers, including several pastors. I have been telling them what is going on in our Assembly regarding the 2006 elections. They have not been informed by the GB, or Bishops or other Pastors of all the recent events and of the pending lawsuit.
And the ones who know history and can fill us in to what has happened before, refuse to do so because they do not want to lose their jobs or be excommunicated from the church.
I have been trying to tell them that someone who holds back the truth causes trouble, but one who openly criticizes works for peace. Proverbs 10:10, Good News Bible.
I was told however, by one of the persons I talked to that their parents who lived in Otay remembered that while Bro. Nava was in Mexico, a riot erupted between the Pastors Elders and members during a church meeting regarding who was going to be the next General Pastor (President), and it got so violent that there was fist fighting and chair throwing inside the church. No one could get it calmed down. Do you think this could happen in Dallas? Could it be that history might repeat itself?
I agree that the Qualifying Commision is the real culprit.
On the night before the elections the GB selects 3 board members and 2 district Bishops to be on the Qualifying Committee. This is where the corruption starts.
The Board is counting their own votes and the 2 District Bishops stand by deaf and dumb.
Each president that is running again, makes sure that his friends are on that qualifying committee.
Baldemar did this for many years so has Sanchez.
Article 5
Clause I- It is our understanding that there was a heated debate as to who integrated the Qualifying Committee and finally the voice of the Bishop President won out. Our Constitution says thus though: ““A day before the elections, the General Board of Directors in full, will name a Qualifying Committee, that will be comprised of three members of the General Board of Directors and two district bishops, which will be responsible for carrying out the work described as follows:”
Furthermore, it has been consistent throughout our organizational history that since the Bishop General Secretary is the filer and archivist of all the official organizational proceedings including this election, he has been a member of the Qualifying Committee. The decision not to include the Bishop General Secretary as in prior General Board elections on this 2006 Qualifying Committee makes one question the integrity of said election.
What happen to the ballots, tabulation sheets and touch pad results.?
I agree that the Qualifying Commision is the real culprit.
District Bishops stand by deaf and dumb.
Felipe Gaxiola.....QC member
In my opinion Do you need anymore proof why things went wrong
Its true!!! No open-toed shoes allowed and Skirts and dresses must be worn at or below the knee. Go to FOT website look at their gallery pictures of choir and praise singers.
Ah Valverdeeeee.
Went to the FOT website. they have Pastor's day, Pastor's family day. I bet they have Bishops day and GB member day too.
I think in the near future they will have a Go Visit Sammy in the Pokey Day.
Dear Bishops, Pastors, Evangelists, Ministers and Wives of the Apostolic Assembly:
We want to thank all of those that were able to attend the (Union City, CA & Denver, CO) Roadmap Conferences this past April 13-14 weekend. We had an attendance of over 1,200 Pastors, ministers and their wives in both conferences. In both locations, every teacher shared a personal, heartfelt conference that touched the lives of everyone present. The message throughout was one of unity and transparency as “we opened up” wounds and shared “life experiences” We can say without a doubt that God was present as we continued in our quest for healthy Pastors, a healthy Church and a healthy Assembly.
Way to go Sanchez your doing a great job!!!!
My sincere request
My faith is not placed on man or on the Apostolic Assembly (AA), but rather in Jesus Christ the true and only GOD. I would assume that most of the bloggers have placed their faith in GOD. I know many fraudulent events have happened in the assembly, I know of many “scams”, we always hear rumors of different things happening, and that is why I have always advocated for more transparency. If their is nothing to hide, we should not fear showing the world. People are people and if we forget that we are accountable to God, we should at least take pre-emptive measures to ensure that we don’t forget. With people overseeing our actions we will most likely not involve ourselves in corruption. Our constitution has provided methods but we have not put them in practice. Now my main concern is not whether these men are guilty or not, but rather people’s salvation. People that will become disillusioned at God, because of mistakes that have nothing to do with GOD. I know of people that have been disillusioned for many years, people come to learn that many practices of the AA are not right, and sometimes lack biblical foundation. The implications of this, whether its true or not, will be truly detrimental to every party involve, that is why we should seek a solution that can mitigate the possible aftershocks. After all I truly believe that we are living in the times right before the tribulation.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
We should seek God’s guidance before taking action. I know hate drives us to take action without thinking of consequences and I agree in that we should hate evil, but concerning this matter we should only take action after we have consulted with God. I beg that we pray and fast seeking Gods divine will. We should organize prayer and fasting chains, because this legal matter will not solve our main issue, we should not form alliances of loyals and rebels but rather we should come together as a body and seek God (he who has not and will not betray us).
To "recovered health in Union City": It is up to you if you choose to be blind to obvious injustices. Nobody is obligated to open their eyes to reality. Everybody makes there own choices in life. Some of us choose to open our eyes.
To the numbers guy who saw 1,200 ministers, pastors in Union City and Denver combined:
Let me just alert you that the AA has lost many many good ministers and people. The assembly's new methodology in order to retain people is to give out ministerial licenses to anyone who has an insert in their wallet. We are raising a generation of ministers who would probably be more effective in other areas. But because the AA thrills on numbers games, they make as many ministers as they can in order to create a false sense of success. In 10 years, some of these men will end up being abusive and authoritarian leaders because they were wedge into something they were not called to do. That is why you saw 1,200 people, this includes wives and children. Divide that by two conferences, that's about 250 ministers for each conference.
Yeah, good job Sanchez.
From a historical perspective to a Future perspective...consider this:
Do you think that when Sanchez and the GB is negotiating a purchase of 9 acres in the suburbs of Dallas Texas to build new corporate offices and a Bible School, there may be something to the rumor that they might be disolving the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, a California corporation, in order to set up a new corporation in Texas with a new name for the Assembly?
Why did Bishop Artie Espinoza, a GB member already relocate to the Dallas area? Is he to oversee this move? After all, he is Sanchez' brother-in-law.
Think about this and get your opinions and/or information out and spread the word.
They may be trying to duck the bullet.
October 7, 2007 12:37 PM
Too bad they didn't open up about the Election fraud.
If they disolve the calif corp. does that mean they lose all holdings on the local churches? Does anyone know?
Why is everybody ignoring the fact that God tried to warn Sanchez about unethical practices in the AA, according to that "Letter from God" in www.apostolicassembly.info. I heard, from a former HQ employee that there were more than one letter received by SAnchez, from different sources, and even a video prophecying the coming illegalities!
In my opinion what happen is that Malverde when color blind. The only color he could see was green.
Soooooo he influenced Sanchez not to believe it.
Somebody should find out who wrote that "Letter from God."
Don't worry Sam, CDC, Chino, offers congical visitation on weekends.
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