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It probably got swept under the rug like all other scandals.
If you have the right connections or last name dont worry it will be covered up.
You people and your anti-legalism. How is it you don't want legalism but you want to sue the AA? Being a tad legalistic aren't we?
The Bible does say "THE LAW OF THE LORD IS PERFECT, CONVERTING THE SOUL".
Did God change his mind or something?
The heroes of the AA
Bishop Baldemar Rodriguez
Bishop Daniel Jauhall
Bishop Daniel Salomon
Bishop Isaac Cota
Bishop Ishmael Arellano
Bishop Julian Aguirre
Bishop Abel Torres
Bishop Samuel Arellano
Bishop Richard Galaviz
Bishop Guillermo Mendoza
Bishop Martin Vasquez
Bishop Herman Garza
Elder Saul Avila
Elder Efrain Andrade
And many many more.
Remember 2 of then are on wheelchairs (Bishop Jauhall and Cota)
Pray for them!
So, the rumor is that the GB will take away these pastor's churches?
Yes, fasten your seat belts.
You're living in the past. Old horses are sent to the glue factory. Its time to move on with men of vision that can foresee ahead in the future and envision where he are headed. Love him or hate them, Bishop Sanchez and Bishop Valverde have been called to lead us. Ours is not to question. Ours is to be obedient and follow. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Obey your leaders or please move on to another organization. If not for our leaders, we would not be here today. If it were not for our leaders, we would still be in the barrio scraping for a few centavos to feed the pastor. We owe unqualified loyalty to our leaders. Lest we sin and need to repent for our sins of being divisionesse.
The cure for corrupt government:
(11) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
The cure for corrupt government has to do with 'waking up'. The solution is nearer than when we believed.
men of vision that can foresee ahead in the future and envision where he are headed?
Like the elections perhaps.
Follow Bishop Sanchez and Bishop Valverde? .
Read Mat 15:14 we are not blind.
Old horses go to the glue factory
A hundred years ago, many old horses were killed and sent to the glue factory. But today, most glue is made from the bones and hooves of cattle, which thanks to the fast-food burger places, there are a lot of these by-products to be used.
Ours is not to question. Ours is to be obedient and follow.
Thats one of the reasons we are in this mess. We are following dumbly. Its time to wake up!boycott!!!!no tithes!!!!no offerings!!!!!no pastor's days!!!!
Men of Vision? the only vision they have is in your wallet.
Legal question? can we as members petition to have them removed and can we call in a audit from the state.
THe Bishop President and the vice-president both make $80,000 a year, and the rest of the board $40,000 a year. And by the way, when all is said and done (the lawsuit) you will see Valverde turn against Sanchez!
Although I am not a corporate lawyer, my sense is that the members have a right to full disclosure of the financials under the Open Meeting Act.
A written request to the headquarters should be sufficient.
$6,666 per month
The lawsuit will be filled the last week of October!
Where Texas or California?
It will be filled in California.
It will be filed in California.
San Bernardino County or Los Angeles County?
To the person who said the lawsuit would be filled. Please forgive me for making a correction. You mispelled the word it should be filed. It's okay we've all make mistakes.
"In the event your clients do decide to file a lawsuit in California, the AAFCJ stands ready to defend itself VIGOROUSLY through its California legal counsel"
For those of you who have such strong loyalty and faith in the leadership of the AAFCJ I COMMEND YOU! However, from someone who has worked behind the scenes with the administration, I warn you, YOU FAITH AND YOUR LOYALTY WILL BE GREATLY SHAKEN! Please, prepare yourself and your loved ones for what you are going to see. This is not a joke!
you insult the Bishop President, defame the whole General Board of Directors
"You would be surprised of the enormous quantity of e-mails, telephone calls, and personal conversations by which healthy apostolic pastors ask us with enthusiasm to continue forward".
Quote.
To the #l e-mailer to every "Dorca"
and Pastor's wife, Homa Rodriguez.
Keep up the "good work" in defending and denying that your husband has banded as "Herodes y Pilato" in this whole mess. Not
considering that he is a Pastor and has "retained" services to sue
the same church that feeds you and him. "Real good". anonymous
That quotation is from a letter that the GB send to one bishop.
3/21/2007 AA.info
This is an excerpt of an email to Ray from an atheist.
Ray,
You are really convinced that you've got all the answers. You've really got yourself tricked into believing that you're 100% right. Well, let me tell you just one thing. Do you consider yourself to be compassionate of other humans? If you're right, as you say you are, and believe that, then how can you sleep at night? When you speak with me you are speaking with someone who you believe is walking directly into eternal damnation into an endless onslaught of horrendous pain which your 'loving' god created, yet you stand by and do nothing.
If you believe one bit that thousands every day were falling into an eternal and unreacheable fate, you should be running the streets mad with rage at their blindness. That's equivalent to standing on a street corner and watching every person that passes you walk blindly directly into the path of a bus and die, yet you stand idly by and do nothing. You're just twiddling your thumbs, happy in the knowledge that one day that 'walk' signal will shine your way across the road.
Think about it. Imagine the horrors Hell must have in store if the bible is true. You're just going to allow that to happen and not care about saving anyone but yourself? If you're right then you're an uncaring, unemotional and purely selfish (expletive) that has no right to talk about subjects such as love and caring.
James Franz
Reading the list of what you call
"Apostolic Heroes" If you call these people "heroes" that are sueing the Apostolic Assembly and will set us BACK for years on spiritual, mentally and financial ruin and credebility that no one will trust anyone, not even your own brother, that can sue you for sneezing on his face, accidently.
Imagine the "nightmare" YOur heros are creating.
But then, its true we have made heros of "men" and not of God.
These so called "heroes" being employed by the Apostolic Assembly which is supposed to be its primary mission and purpose "save and preach' the unALTERED word of God to the World. These men should all be removed from their position as preachers and place in perpetual discipline and "fired by us the stock holders" The ones that pay our tithes and offerings. And that "very well feed and clothe them". And also provide for them to "SUE" the Church.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING THE MONEY TO SUE,.CHECK THEIR OWN CHURCH FUNDS
How can they be allowed to remain in the teaching and preaching of the word OF GOD. 'PEACE, CHARITY, LONGSUFFERING,AND 'WITH THIS YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES THAT YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER'
NO ONE THAT LOVES THEIR BROTHER TAKES HIM TO LAW, ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON THEIR SELFISHNESS, AND GREED.
LEAVE IT TO THE LORD HE WILL PUNISH THOSE THAT COMMITED FRAUD, AND THEY DID TOO FOR YEARS..
It is obvious that they have "Lost their sense of direction."
But Daniel Salomon has a "fire" of a spouse and wow it is showing.
If his parents would know what he is doing to the Assembly just to suit his whim, they would NEVER BELIEVE IT.
REALLY LETS PRAY FOR THEM..GOD FORGIVE THEM. IT IS A SHAME, BROTHER ISAAC COTA AND DANIEL JAUHAL WHO HAS ALWAYS PREACHED IN 'THE POWER OF THE PODIUM'
'WILL THE REAL APOSTOLIC STAND UP'
BOY HE SURE SURE IS PROVING HOW TRUE AN APOSTOLIC HE REALLY IS AND ALL THOSE THAT HAVE LOST THEIR SENSE. BUT MAYBE IN REALITY THEY NEVER REALLY HAD GOD IN MIND BUT THEIR SELF=SELVES..
'SE VENDIERON'
"THEY SOLD THEMSELVES TO EVIL"
'THEY HAVE LOSE THEIR SENSE AND THEIR CALLING ALL OF THEM EVEN THE EXISTING GB ALL OF THEM ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE REMOVED.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY DO NOT FOOL ME I KNEW THEM LONG, LONG AGO AND I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THAT JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE THAT THEY RESPECTED HAS NOW GONE WITH THE LORD. THEY FEAR NO ONE..BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE.
THE BIBLE SAY 'HAY DE AQUEL POR CUAL VINIERAN LOS ESCANDALOS'
WOE UNTO THEM...READ HABAKKUK.
FIRE ALL OF THEM....THERE ARE OTHERS JUST AS BAD...HIDING UNDER THE RADAR. GOD SAVE US.
EN LAS LUCHAS Y EN LAS PRUEBAS LA IGLESIA SIGUE CAMINANDO.
ISMAEL MARTIN DEL CAMPO, IS BEING USED BY SANCHES TO SPY FOR SANCHEZ ON THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO. ISMAEL SHOULD BE ASHAME OF HIMSELF, BECAUSE HE WAS TOTALLY ILLERATE AND THE BROTHERS FROM THE IGLESIA DE MEXICO PAID FOR TEACHING HIM HOW TO READ AND WRITE...SHAME ON YOU SANCHEZ, VALVEDERDE..ETC.
ISMAEL HAS 'SOLD OUT' AND HE WILL "SELL OUT" FOR US TOO. ONCE A TRAITOR ALWAYS A TRAITOR..
To the person who is against the Apostolic Heroes: Do you know that the bible speaks of "Heroes of the Faith?" To be honest I am a little confused it seems as if you are against yourself too! Are you the person that we need to lead the church? Are you a just man???
To 'set us BACK for years'
Yes, sometimes you must go backwards in order to go forward.
Jesus said 'I am the WAY . . .' and the current GB is in the way. Not walking in the way, but blocking the way.
I believe every person having a part in the election fraud should be removed from their position as a minister. Yes, that means from the GB, District Bishop, Elder, Pastor and even local minister.
Just as Haman hung from the gallows he prepared for someone else, they should be restored according to the restoration document they prepared. (This means there is no restoration possible - according to their own words)
As for the 'Heroes', exposing the election fraud does not constitute a violation of spiritual authority. It might if they went straight to court to fight, but they did not.
The irregularities were first presented to the GB by concerned men of God as individuals. Then they were presented as a collective effort by Bro Rodriguez. After both attempts were shunned by the GB, they were presented to the church. Once again the GB dispelled the action and downplayed it in a letter they sent to the Pastors of the organization. Then God sent someone to create the website 'apostolicassembly.info'. Through this site, the information has been made available for Pastors and everyone else to be informed.
These 'Heroes' have taken action with a heavy burden in their hearts. They would have preferred to resolve this with the very first encounter.
As for Ismael Martin del Campo, based on the letter he sent to the city of Los Angeles (see letters site - Author of CID) he must still be illiterate. Certainly a perfect fit for a position as Gb member in the capacity of Christian Education.
I'm surprised Eddie Pacheco didn’t take the position of Treasurer instead of Secretary. But then – Not even the GB trusts him to handle the money!!!
The quote, ""You would be surprised of the enormous quantity of e-mails, telephone calls, and personal conversations by which healthy* apostolic pastors ask us with enthusiasm to continue forward." is a perfect example of their blindness! They might tell you to move on, but behind your backs they're are ready to TURN YOU IN!
the e-mail about Sis Rodriguez...nice try Sis Valverde but look in your own backyard
To the 2:01 AM
At least you have to agree that our president Sanchez is a man with a spotless testimony .Very humble man, never lied, never has taking away nothing from anyone, best leader ever ,pastor's the biggest church at his district, his brothers are also great men of God. He is the man of the hour.
Nice try!!! GB SUPPORTER!
That's what they used to say about president Nixon too, until his insecurities and lack of judgement caused him his office!
Some of you DO NOT know the difference between doing RIGHT and doing TRUTH! When you figure it out you'll understand GOD'S purpose for the lawsuit!
“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:6-11 (NIV).
“Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us. Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.” 1 Peter 2:12-17 (NIV).
Just a thought! The phone numbers to Bro. Baldemar Rodríguez, Bro. Abel Torres and Bro. Saul Avila has been made accessible for us to call. For those of us who want to know the truth. Have we considered calling? What about the men on the other side such as the members of the GB. Have they offered us their home phone numbers or even called an Emergency Convention in order to address the church on why the electoral fraud was allowed?
I believe that we are entitled to an explanation! There is a saying in Spanish "El que nada debe, nada teme." Translated to English "He who owes nothing, fears nothing."
We also have bro Salomon phone # Have we considered calling?
That's a great idea.
Bishop Sanchez asks Bishop Valverde this question about the church:
Quanto Vale?
Bishop Sam answers:
Mucho Vedre!
At least you have to agree that our president Sanchez is a man with a spotless testimony .Very humble man, never lied, never has taking away nothing from anyone,
So what happen now to make him fall of the tree. probably from hanging around Valverde and Pacheco. If they ain't nothing to hide then throw your cards on the table and lets see.
Last Years Convention Theme:
"What do these stones mean?"
More like what do these Summons mean?
More like "What do these lawsuits mean?"
More like "What do these votes mean?"
More like "What do these handcuffs mean?"
They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
Ezekiel 16:40
Nice post 2 vote eddie
Has anyone read the "Letter From God" posted in the www.apostolicassembly.info/other site?
Si desea más información puede llamar a los hermanos Baldemar Rodríguez 909-957-9175,
Abel V. Torres 432-352-3958, Daniel Salomón 303-249-0942 y Saúl L. Ávila 512-731-9660. If you wish more info, you may call the numbers listed above.
Let’s put that one verse into proper context. God was saying that he was going to deliver Israel into the hands of her enemies for losing sight of all God had done for them. So when he is saying that the enemy is going to destroy her is true for all the wrong she had committed. Even in the beginnings of this book the author says that he will be set forth as a watchman to warn the people against what they should not be doing. Even God said that they were stubborn and hard hearted. So let’s apply that verse. God goes on to say after I have delivered you into the hands of the enemy and you have suffered then My(God) wrath will be over.
Ezekiel 16.:1-42
It seems to me that you are one sided. The reason why I say is one fact. AS opposed to four or five against the other. It seems as though that is a very bais statement. I could however be wrong.
Before anyone sets forth with a bold statement let us get all the facts. Instead of just one-sided truths.
You can remove Ishmael Arellano from the list of heroes. He has damaged many many many sincere Christians trying to make a difference in our church. I've seen it for myself. That's why our church has not grown since he took over in 1989. In fact, it's dwindling away very quickly. All our good ministers have left, we're malnourished, and our pastor doesn't seem to care.
I do not call this a hero.
What are you doing there since 1989?
To all who are negetive. Please let's just pray for one another. Search your hearts before judging one another. The altimate judge is Jesus. Let's forgive one another and help each other. Try to find positive things and not focuse on our weaknesess. I do know God is coming for a church called by his name and not an Organization. I know everyone deep down in your hearts you can tell when someone is truely anointed. Listen to all retain the good and take out the bad.
All these post during these past weeks. Its time to pause, stand up, take a deep breath, stretch.
Good.
Now let us prepare for our E-Ofrenda.
WWSD?
What Would Sam Do?
Answer: Collect an Offering..
WWED?
What Would Eddie Do?
Answer:
Spend the Offering...
You have the info wrong about Brother Baldemar Rodríguez being able to run after 4 years. It is not so. You have an old constitution. That was amended at the last convention. It appears now that it was a conspiracy to prevent him from running for President again. A board member cannot serve more than 8 years in any position at all anymore.
Word from the Lord!
Repent!!!
Chronicles 16:22:
22"Do not touch my anointed ones and do My prophets no harm.
Repent! You have mocked my Name; Judgment is mine; you have placed a curse upon your homes and families.
REPENT!!! I will judge says the Lord of Host!!
That is funny take away the churches. lol That is like I am taking back my party invitation. However, I am sure these men have so much influence with in there own states. If they wanted to the could have already seperated from the Assembly and Started a whole other organization. Leaving the Assembly with only friends and family. The reason is because these Brothers have so much respect with in their own states. I know for a fact that these men could easily seperate from the Assembly they have so much influence that they would not need churches. The would need conventions centers.
True if these Brother's chose to do so they could. This should say that they must not want that for the AA.
Stop it Edward with the repent posts . No one whats to dirty their hands.. so your safe until the court date or the Lord comes, cause if man don't take your postion away the Lord surely will.
Call Bro. Sanchez @ 562-944-5357 (Whittier Church) OR 909-987-3013
Call Bro. Valverde @ 909-948-9358 (FOT Church) OR 909-987-3013 OR at home (909) 484 - 1343
Call Bro. Eddie Pacheco @ 951-371-5488 (Corona Church)
Good call and tell them is time to resign.
The three R's
Reconsider
Repent and
Resign
My theory and this is from observation of things that have happened at our AA. Just a theory, I'll make it as short as possible, for those of you that don't like to read much and I won't go into details.
*A relative of Bishop Valverde becomes independent from AA.
*Bishop V. sees that that individual didn't gain/take anything by doing that.
*He make several ammendments to the constitution thru friends (just a theory but check them out).
*He waits until he can work with the person in higher authority to make the changes that need to be made to get everything ready for his election.
*Takes out those that are a barrier in any way (big mistake!)
*Places fff family/friends/followers
that can work with him at the National and now securing fff at the District level - in this year of district elections.
*Now if pastors don't agree with him as Bishop President because of his organizational methods, doctrinal standards, etc... they can just leave the AA or be taken away their pastorship in the AA and start their own church (which is being said, even in this blog) but the pastors can't take the building because it is in the AA name.
*He stays with the headquarters, AA name, church buildings,etc.. a better picture than just leaving the AA with a church group as his relative did.
Remember, it just a theory but a lot of it has taken or is taking place.
Those who plot the destruction of others often perish in the attempt
Nepotism is the showing of favoritism toward relatives, based upon that relationship, rather than on an objective evaluation of ability or suitability. For instance, offering employment to a relative, despite the fact that there are others who are better qualified and willing to perform the job, would be considered a form of nepotism. The word nepotism is from the Latin word 'nepos', meaning "nephew" or "grandchild".
Cronyism is partiality to long-standing friends, especially by appointing them to positions of authority, regardless of their qualifications
Nepotism: Art Espinoza (Sanchez}
Nepotism: Ed Pacheco (Valverde)
Cronyism :Leo Maffey,Victor Prado (Sanchez)
Cronyism: Abel Aguilar, Ismael Martin del Campo.(Valverde)
Hmmm, rumor has it that the funds and the treasurery @ FOTC is not under the AA- it's under SV and separately as FOTC--just an observation- but wouldn't that make it easier for HIM to split from the AA and take the funds as well? From what I know if a Pastor splits from the AA- he can take whomever will follow him, but the building and the treasurery- being under the AA- stays with the AA.
Sergio Villanueva for anything on the GB!
Another theory: Bishop Valverde is waiting for "re-elections" at this convention and asks that only Bishops and Elders vote, again all fff (family, friend, followers), and he gets to be B.P of AA. Be careful, he might just have it all planned.
He has been dictating who gets hired and fired at the General Offices.
Interesting comments in this blog
I believe, as its my humble opinion, that there are also "Irregularities" in the accounting of the AA.
Is really strange that S V is our vice- and his congregation doesn't care for the AA ,they don't go to sector, district services they don't bother to participate unless they go to offer his materials,
The GB knows they are not in the right. They have admitted such in private on several occasions, but they deny it in public. Nevertheless, it will all come out in court.
That is the mentality of our GB. They want to destroy anyone who disagrees with them at all costs.
I agree that Bishop Rodriguez had more to loose than to gain from taking this issue forward.
How much did the AA pay Victor Prado Jr. for Designing the Stage at the last youth convention?
Tim Valverde's company promotes the convention?
Why all the Valverde bashing?
Because he is the mastermind of this election mess.
Bro. Valverde is a good communicator. The problem is he regurgitates other mainstream pastor's sermons and material. So in reality, Fontana is being pastored by what I call "sudo" pastors
For all these people feeling sorry for all these leaders getting their names dragged through these bastions of incredible wit and analysis (the comment sections of these blogs), I say to you that this may be the new price of AA leadership.
the lawsuit is against the Qualifying Commission of the Elections
Eddie Pacheco presented a sales pitch on brand new Cadillacs and Mercedes and any other car of your choice. This was in the early 1980's and people like my parents paid him cash. He never delivered the vehicle and never returned the money. Never apologized and swiftly went to mission work in Chile. He went a wealthy man. He came back and received the church of Corona. Can you believe that? A thief for a pastor. And I can't even get off of restriction for something I did years ago. Go figure. I don't have the right connections.
At least you have to agree that our president Sanchez is a man with a spotless testimony .Very humble man, never lied, never has taking away nothing from anyone,
So what happen now to make him fall of the tree. probably from hanging around Valverde and Pacheco. If they ain't nothing to hide then throw your cards on the table and lets see.
Why must churches either be run by Legalistic Dictators or the other extreme run by wannabe Rick Warren Trinitarians ?
Let me ask you, if anybody send fraudulent electoral results to the state capital do you believe that's enough to be send to the state pen ?
For those of you who have such strong loyalty and faith in the leadership of the AAFCJ I COMMEND YOU! However, from someone who has worked behind the scenes with the administration, I warn you, YOU FAITH AND YOUR LOYALTY WILL BE GREATLY SHAKEN! Please, prepare yourself and your loved ones for what you are going to see. This is not a joke!
to 9/28 @ 11:35 p.m.- what email are you referring to. I'm lost here.
My post earlier.
*He (Bro. Valverde) waits until he can work with the person in higher authority to make the changes that need to be made to get everything ready for his election.
When I write B.V waits until he can work with the person in higher authority .... I believe Bishop President Sanchez truly believed that all the changes were for the good of the AA. It has been said, that he said that he made a big mistake, right after the elections.
I pray everyday, truly, that he, as our Bishop President, calls re-elections this Novemeber.
I still trust that he will make the right decision. His testimony and that of his wife have helped me and my family to know that AA doctrinal and holiness standards still count in higher positions in our assembly.
"At least you have to agree that our president Sanchez is a man with a spotless testimony .Very humble man, never lied, never has taking away nothing from anyone,"
To Anonymous @ 10/1 @ 9:12 :
Not that I'm for FOTC or anything. . . but in reality- they, along with most of the churches in the IDC don't participate in sector or district activities because our district is sorry, all its sectors are boring and it has no young, fresh leadership. Our Bishop is about as exciting as a blank wall. IDC- Inactive District of California. We need new blood on our District boards starting with the Bishop. And our Youth Board-- good grief- don't get me started, I still want a chance to get to heaven!
I pray everyday, truly, that he, as our Bishop President, calls re-elections this November.
Yes I agree
Yes, IDC has been in the same boat for about 12 years now. Our District Youth leaders are nothing but arrogant embeciles who walk around as though they are above everyone and as though we should be greatful they've graced us with their presence.
imbeciles
You have the best bishop. Bro Lugo
is a very powerful man of God, big church, great preacher ,great leader. You reelect him.
When was the last time you went to his mission, er, I mean church? Not too many in there- unless they were on vacation. Although I can't argue about his preachings- I do enjoy those. But as far as his leadership qualities- I don't know- he hasn't seem to be able to pull our district out of the slump that Jimenez left it in. I did't re-elect him- I'm not a pastor. Had I been- I probably wouldn't have.
Victims of Edward Pachueco Unite!
Pachueco, LOL.
2-Vote Eddie, LOL.
How come nobody has nominated Rev. John Vasquez for anything? He was MOP President.
Aaaahhhh, Brother John Vasquez- there's a blast from the past! Miss those days!!
Where IS Brother Vasquez now?
We have a myriad of good preachers out there in our AA.
Any sugestions for our next convention?
Please this is not a joke!
Unfortunately, right now, each Pastor has to walk the fine line because if they voice an opinion, opposite the status quo they run the risk of being replaced. No joke. I heard this from a GB family member.
And really, no matter which side you are on, we pay enough as it is, why should we contribute ANY more money to either side. Baldemar and Friends have set up a legal fund for contributions. They want to sue, fine, they're in their every right to, but pay for it themselves. I'm sure at this point, they'll skim off the top from their churches' contributions to help pay for THEIR lawsuit. Now they raise the question of how that money is handled.
Same for the GB- I hope they pay for their own legal defense fund and that none of it is coming out from the skimmings or ANY part of the AA treasuries or insurance.
It's a never-ending vicious cycle.
To the entry above- are you asking for preachers for the convention or preachers for the GB?
If it's about the convention- it's a scary thought because no matter who takes the pulpit, no doubt, will use it for their own political gain and stone throwing. Which is why, I, for one will be boycotting this convention and maybe the next. We should really consider a united front and boycott the convention- Hit them where it hurts- the pocket book. No one there to pay registration, no one there for the special offerings and no one there to listen to their self-glorification.
BOYCOTT EVERYTHING BUT YOUR LOCAL CHURCHES!!!
Well any names for future reference
I don't think we should Boycott the convention. Instead, we should all go and VOICE our opposition.
We can all wear "End Corruption, New Elections NOW!" bottons...
Better yet, we should have our own conference in California.
We can get a place and have our own independent of the mafia.
Who can stop us?
Certainly not Sanchez/Valverde
Instead of staying home, we can show them and draw money away from Gaylord.
Boycotting makes a bigger impact than wearing buttons. Although if you do go- DON'T GIVE OFFERINGS! Decline to pay the registration fee to enter the services-- what are they gonna do? Have you arrested?
All of that garbage of registration is Valverdes idea, remember he is the president of this dead conventions.
boycott Boycott BOycott BOYcott BOYCott BOYCOtt BOYCOTt BOYCOTT everything but your local churches! BOYCOTT special offerings for national projects! BOYCOTT CONVENTION!
A better idea would be to just leave the AA, not boycott. I know there's no such thing as a perfect church. However, there is a difference between unintentional imperfections and intentional imperfections.
I feel the AA falls under "intentional imperfections" due to the GBoard's business philosophy. They have intentionally evolved to this and they intentionally do not acknowledge mistakes or wrong doings. Which means, in their minds, they feel they're doing the right thing. This is something that is almost impossible to break through and it's something I choose not to be a part of.
According to this blog's poll 61% out of 84 votes wants this GB to be removed from office, only 6% are in their favor.
I took me a while to read through all of the posts. Some of them are entertaining and some of them are depressing. It's saddening to see the total lack of respect for the men of God. Despite your opinion on the election, you should at least use part of your brain to think before you speak. Choose your words wisely because you will have to give an account for them one day. Will this be the generation that does not know God?
A Mike
Most of the post are emotional responses that lack patience, poise, and wisdom. The information that is circulated is all hearsay, partial truths, and down right lies. I hope there are some people out there that are able to discern with their spirit that when it comes down to it; God will judge.
A Mike
don't set your eyes on men- they WILL fail- set your eyes on God- He NEVER fails!
We set our eyes on God by the men of God.
Read 1 cor 4:16, 11:1, php 3:17,1Th
1:6
LOL.... I have read many post defaming 3 churches: Fountain Of Truth, Strong Tower, and Christian Tabernacle.... All three of these churches have more members than most churches in the AA. All 3 have great preachers. All 3 have great vision. All 3 are very giving when it comes to the mission field...Do your churches fit that mold?
A Mike
Edward Pachueco is not a great preacher. He's a preacher- but not a great one.
Whatever your views are, you must admit that Brother Valverde as well as Brother Aguilar are blessed men- look at their churches.
Good old churches with the wrong pastors.
Does anyone know if Loui Gutierrez will still get to open his church in Yucaipa admist all the scandel with his son?
Aguilar took away 1st Santa Ana from his brother in law using his buddy Sanchez the district bishop at the time. Valverde pack his church with well train leaders and members from other churches. He's the King of Recruiting.
According to the "poll" (lol)... 61% of the 84 votes (of extremely spiritual people of course) want the new GB to resign from their positions...
According to some blogs...many Pastors are afraid to voice their opinion because they don't want to loose their positions.
The reoccuring word is position. Is that all it has come down to? A position without God's anointment will not render any fruit. Amn can plant the seed. But God is the one that gives it growth.
C'mon peeps... If it is not God's will for the new GB to remain in their positions, do you not think that God will remove them. Has God lost His power or has his authority diminished in anyway?
A Mike
Yeah...Lets all wear buttons and those multicolor hats with the little propeler on top, coke bottle glasses, and suspenders to convention to voice our position....LOL
A Mike
I thought Brother Aguilar took over the 100-member church after his father-in-law died.
And most of the member I see going to Fontana go on their own free will. Such as with the 1st of Redlands-
after the debacle with Brother Mena, most of the congregration went to Fontana once they were faced with the choice of pastor awarded there.
from what i've gathered- people get fed up for whatever reason at their church and then leave to Fontana church- I've yet to hear or see Brother Sam recruiting-
Nope. It was a 450 members church now is 435.
435 @ Santa Ana or 1st of Redlands? Sorry- you lost me there.
I've been visiting Santa Ana, I went to their English Service and they had around 200 people. I've been visiting the spanish services and they have around 500-600.
either way- the brother is pretty packed.
If you're referring to 1st of Redlands- they've never had any of those numbers- they have aroudn 50 people now.
Brother Mesa left his church to a good man Bro. Lozano now out of the AA .He is the pastor of a huge and powerful church somewhere in Orange county.
"Edward Pachueco is not a great preacher. He's a preacher- but not a great one."
Are you serious? Well I guess it wouldn't be good for the person that had no teeth.
You can keep drinking you "Choco-milk" if you want. From the way you speak it is evident that you are a spiritual somolian...LOL
See kids...this is what happens when you don't listen to sound doctrine...
A Mike
In my quest for a church to belong to, I've not only visited 1st of Redlands, and Santa Ana, I've also visited Brother Lupito's church-2nd Redlands-not bad, fontana- packed!- and I visited 1st of Orange- yowza- I took a good nap.
OH- How could I forget- I also visited Strong Tower Apostolic- let's just say, I probably wouldn't go again.
Hey A Mike- you must be related Sam and 2-vote Eddie. wink. wink.
i'll stick to my choco-milk instead of 2-vote Eddie's powerpointed messages.
I don't blame you for not wanting to go back to Strong Tower. It's not for everyone. You actually have to use your brain and know your Bible to understand what is being said.
Powerpoint messages...haaa
You must come from a church that still uses an overhead with slides. I've been to ST a few times and the only time I see the projector being used is for the worhip and for putting up the scriptures during the preaching. It makes sense, not everyone that visits has a bible readily available. But I'm sure your church hands out Bibles to everyone prior to each service and collects them at the end because evidently you don't have one at home to read. The only thing you are leaving church with is a strawberry mustache. Too sad!
A Mike
Nice try Ed.
Next
Hey brainiac- he/she doesn't belong to a church- he/she said they are LOOKING for a church to belong to. Look everyone- A Mike can put big words into sentences!
you sound a bit uptight- if you're married- your wife's not doing her job. If you're not- that explains it. Due no matter what good things you say about Pachueco- fact is, he's a thief and a liar.
It seems to me that this A Mike is the mini me of Pacheco.
Actually Pachueco doesn't have much of a message- he's either bragging about his $3000 suits or asking for more money from everyone. Most of his sermons are about giving, giving, giving- yea, giving to his bank account.
You must a member there- don't be disgruntled just 'cause he won't let you leave and you've given most of your money! He's probably threatened to blackball you if you do.. . like he has many others.
Hmmm, A Mike- what EXACTLY IS your relationship with Pachueco- you seem to be irritated at the opinions of others in regard to him.
Pachueco couldn't get the position on his own dude- he had to have his cousing hand it to him. What a man.
A Mike- you admire a has-been on his way out. He's a thief and liar- dude- enjoy him now because last I read- thieves and liars won't enter the kingdom of heaven. I doubt if he's repented because my parents haven't received an apology, much less the car OR their money. He's an embarrasment to everything his father ever stood for.
And by the way- he's got snotty daughters too- you're probably married to one of them- which explains why you're so uptight. You're stuck dude- you CAN'T leave Strong Tower. So the HA ha is on you.
A Mike: Funny that out of over 500 posts- there are only 1-3 entries that actually defend Pachueco, better known as or 2-vote Eddie.
Eddie and A Mike, sitting in a tree- steal--ing. . .
A Mike: Pachueco is still an
unrepentant CROOK.
Mena debacle? Oh, Mena is or was Valeverde's Brother in Law. Guess who had a say in Mena being awarded the 1st of Redlands.
Pues, Vale mucho Verde que no?
1st Santa Ana was a sizable church under Brother Mesa. Why do you think Abelito boned out of San Jose? Oh, I mean why do you think Pastor Abelito all of a sudden had a calling to come back to OC.
Want to talk about big churches, lets talk about Sion, con los Maffeys.
That church has been there 1000 years and is still only 50 members and 30 of them are family.
Anon:
I agree with everything you stated except 1st of Redlands vale mucho verde.
It was actually booming during the Mena years- now, it's just a bomb. No, not THE bomb, just a bomb. Dead.
That is true the Buffet family has done absoluteley nothing with that church.
No growth and no vision.
And Bro Budffet keeps appointg his buddies as pastors and they also are doing NOTHING with their churches.
A whole lotta nothing going on.
Thanks alot Leo Buffet and all your clan.
Puro legalismo zero uncion
Yes, Leo's cousing or whatever kind of relative he is didn't like it at Church of the Dead, er, I mean 1st Redlands, so he moved over there- he became the new assistant pastor in a blink of an eye. He got rid of his other asst pastor and gave it to his family member. Hayyy .. . Those Maffeys- 50 and 30 are family- LOL!
Is it true that Maffeys. church is that small? That's a disgrace to have him with so much authority without any fruit, who put him in the GB and why?
Might as well bring all those "Flor Azul'ers" back.
OK_ I'm lost- Flor Azulers? Can someone elaborate? I've been under a rock for a while.
Bishop Valverde announce a while back to the pastoral body of an underground group of gays that call themselves "Flor Azul" their purpose is to recruit new youngsters at the General Convention to participate in orgies at the hotel rooms, they also sell drugs. This a fact.
Flor Azulers? Wow- thought that was a myth.
Could explain why one very well known christian young man, whom was baptized and a convention freak is now infected with the AIDS virus
Didn't finish my previos post- he once told me he was infected at a convention. I didn't press for details and he didn't offer. Now I know why.
This is sad let us pray for this poor brother
Hey Einstein, "Anonymous Said" is not actually a persons name. If you have noticed...everyone here is anonymous said...Untill peeps include an identified with their blogs I will take each blog seperatley.
You call being respectfull of our leaders uptight? You must be pretty loose then!~lol~
A tree is know by it's fruit. As far as I can tell (and I have been in church a long time)ST has always been pretty fruitful.
Pacheco's suits 3K....good one. I do happen to know where he as well as other Pastors in our district buy their suits.They are not 3K...LOL...(chismosa)
I have a few of his preachings on CD and not one of them has to do with giving...(mas chisme)
Pacheco doesn't have the authority to blackball anyone. He is only one of the members on the board. If anyone is blackballed as you say-It was a board decision.
I'm not irritated from people bashing Pacheco. I get frustrated when people bash any man of God. It's disrespectfull and these peeps shouldn't complain if they go through life without God's blessings.
Regardless if you think that the position was given to him unjustly...The man is qualified for the job.
A Mike (Sorry forgot to claim my last 2 posts)
You guys are hilarious. You speak of things that you are totally unfamiliar with.
The whole car issue. C'mon. I doubt your parents were involved..but for the sake of arguments lets say they were. Did they take this issue up with the Bishop Pres of that time?
Nice try to figure out who I am, but I'm not married to one of his daughters...lol....reaching for anything u can now eh?
A Mike
1-3 entries that defend Pacheco huh....Man I'll defend any of God's annointed (especially those that I have come to know on a personal level on both sides of the debate)
Regardless, I would prefer to walk that narrow path than to climb into to band wagon of ignorance- we all know where that leads.
A Mike
I happened to know Bro. Mena. He was a suitable candidate for the pastorship of Redlands before things fell apart.
Does anyone in here know how people get approved to be pastors?
A Mike
"Flor Azulers" haaa...I thought that was a myth too... at least I hope it is...
Anyone know?
A Mike
How about Randy Quesada of SSP (Soldiers on Soul Patrol) fame for President?
I can't believe that Buddhist monks have more courage to confront the military junta than our pastors with this corrupt religious junta.
Thousands of protesters are dead and the bodies of hundreds of executed monks have been dumped in the jungle, a former intelligence officer for Burma's ruling junta has revealed
I've seen posted that there are other blogs; where are they?
To the Book of Solomon; For your information we all have bibles. It would have been much easier for you just to give us the chapter and the verse. We know how to read. You sound like you are a lunatic. The bible also says that Jesus healed the sick and the afflicted and the lunatics.
Pachueco a MOG? Nope. Sorry. More like a Man of Satan. Stole money from people he conned.
Pachueco and the Gutierrez' are the same kind of crooks. No wonder Louis Gutierrez has been awarded a church.
I've been in the Assembly for 40 years! Seen much, herd much, and witnessed much. To both sides of the controversy I say this.
To the Cons: I feel your fustrations, and this is an outlet to vent out. Its OK to be angry, but SIN NOT! Ephesians 4:26-27 says, "BE ANGRY, AND SIN NOT; let not the sun go down upon your wrath; neither give place to the devil."
To the Pros: Its also OK to defend the men of God, however, it is a documented fact that E. Pacheco was involved in a pyramid scam that ALMOST cost him his freedom. As a matter of fact, a sister from the UPC was the master mind of this pyramid automobile scam. As far as Bishop Valverde, It is also a documented fact that he has had some improper dealings as soon as he left the church in San Ysidro, CA, where he was the assistant pastor to his father in law. Remember the Bible says in Ephesians 5:6-11, "“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:6-11 (NIV). and Matthew 15:12-14, “Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” Matthew 15:12-14 (NIV).
My advise to all of you is this, Let everything run its course. However, just like God needs man to spread the gospel, He will also use men to expose the works of darkness. Everything that is happening IS a result of poor judgement and wisdom. DO NOT REJOICE, but pray! DO NOT IGNORE the truth, but expose with the truth! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
Can you explain why Valverde has so much control over Sanchez?
It's called the power of Influence my friend!
Sanches = Power of position.
Valverde = Power of influence.
to 10/1 4:58 p.m. entry:
In regard to SSP (Soldiers on Soul Patrol) --
I've heard a bit hear and there- can you elaborate? Where were/are they from?
I also do not have a problem with people voicing their concerns, frustrations, anger along as it is done in a respectfull manner.
There is no need to disrespect any man of God. Quit speaking of things you have heard in chismes, 2nd hand, bits-n-pieces. You poison the body of Christ with your serpent tongues. However, let the wicked continue in their wickedness. By their fruits you shall know them. You reap what you sow.
A Mike
Mike A, with FRAUDS like Pachueco, who needs Satan?
Word from the Lord!
Ezekiel 24:14:
“I, the Lord, have spoken! The time has come, and I won’t hold back. I will not change my mind, and I will have no pity on you.
You will be judged on the basis of all your wicked actions, says the Sovereign Lord.”
You hide behind the name “Anonymous” but I know who you are…
Says the Lord of Host!
Strong words for such a weak spirited person. Judging from your words I would venture to guess that you are young, arrogant and ignorant. Your information is all second hand. I questioned whether or not you had the Holy Ghost, but with your blogs you answered that for me.
I can tell that you have alot of bitterness that has deep seeded roots. You are living your life without God's blessings or favor and you blame everyone else for your misfortunes. Am I getting close?
A Mike
A Mike! You come across the same way. The spirit in your blogs is the same.
I think you need to read my blogs again. All I have done is attempt to defend the men of God that are being slandered by people making ignorant remarks. By saying that my spirit is the same?
I have read comments about Pastors Dan Sachez, Sam Valverde, Abel Aguilar, Ed Pacheco, Baldemar Rodriguez, Abel/David Jimenez and the list goes on.
Even David would not lift a hand against King Saul. He had every right and opportunity to harm Saul but he didn't. David had a heart after God's own. Maybe this is where the problem lies.
As previously stated, voice your frustrations, angers, concerns with respect. That is all that is being asked.
A Mike
A Mike,
David didn't lift a hand against Saul, but I bet he talked a lot of smack about Saul. Although he loved Saul, he didn't necessarily have to like him.
Same with these men, although they're not liked by many, no ones lifted a hand against them. So don't worry, people are just venting after bearing so much from being belittled and hurt by these men.
x"David didn't lift a hand against Saul, but I bet he talked a lot of smack about Saul."
Hilarious.....Good one!
I doubt he did though. Bro. Sometimes words can do more damage than actions. That's why the Bible tells us that we should control our tongue.
Ive been in church a long time. I also have been wronged by other and have seen others wrong my own family. I could say alot of hurtful things but it's not right. I'll let God judge their actions.
After all the things God has forgiven me for, this is the least I could do. If you want to be forgiven, you need to learn to forgive because we are measured the same way we measure others.
A Mike
A Mike,
You're right, we should forgive even though they refuse to admit any wrong. Like Pastor Phil McGraw says (aka Dr. Phil), "You can't change what you don't acknowledge." Don't expect change anytime soon, or ANYTIME for that matter.
I forgive them but they still suck at business and should be replaced. Any secular corp. would not put up with any of this, why should we? This is the kingdom of God, not Mattel Inc.
But I forgive them. :)
A Mike - You need to learn the difference between doing what is right and doing what is truth! Because doing right is not necessarily doing truth! Many apostolic like yourself always brag about doing right. How about doing truth! Do what the Bible says, “Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:6-11 (NIV). and Matthew 15:12-14.
Oh boy, "do truth"? How do you "do truth"? So if doing right isn't always "doing truth", that means "doing truth" isn't always doing right. So that means doing wrong can sometimes be "doing truth".
Right? I mean, true?
Weird post.
Forgiveness has nothing to do with ACCOUNTABILITY and Justice.
When will Pachueco be held Accountable for his actions?
He wants forgivenss yet he hasn't repented from his sin.
“Truth”~ Can you assure me that everything that is being said is indeed fact? Are all the stories and chismes being spread about the old GB and the new GB a reality? Can you confirm their stories with absolute certainty? Are the details of both sides of the debates being presented with complete accuracy? Are the “facts” so many people seem to have being shared with comprehensive precision? Are the people slandering the anointed of God speaking with genuineness or out of bitterness?
The “truth” lies in the answer to these questions. All of the last words in each question are synonymous with “truth.”
Mathew 15. vs 13And he answering said, `Every plant that my heavenly Father did not plant shall be rooted up.
As mentioned previously, all of the men that are being slandered are still being blessed of God. Coincidence?
A Mike - Listen and learn! You are trying to do right by respecting the man of God, OK! When the truth of the Word of God says to expose the works of darness! You see, according to Scripture "THE TRUTH" you are to Honor and respect those that RULE WELL, "Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine." 1 Timothy 5:17. The key words in the TRUTH is RULE WELL. If I steal, cheat, and have questionable ethical practices, I deserve what I get. Understand?
Anonymous you said:
"As mentioned previously, all of the men that are being slandered are still being blessed of God. Coincidence?"
If you mean blessed as in having stuff, I guess they're blessed. But what do you expect when they have hefty salaries. Of course it's not a coincidence. Which is why they will fight to their death that they did nothing wrong and will threatened others who ask for an investigation.
But on spiritual terms, I'm not sure if we can use spritual, blessed, and GB all in one sentence. I've interacted with these men in the past on projects, events, etc. They are far from being Christ like.
They have nice toys and pretty churches, but this does not equate "blessed".
A great man of God once preached about Mathew 15:13- about what defiles a man.
He gave the analogy of a lemon being squished and a sour/bitter juice being expressed. He asked "was it the pressure exerted on the lemon that made the juice sour/bitter?"
The answer is "no." The pressure only revealead what was always in the lemon. The trial you go through will always reveal what you are. Your reactions to whatever storm you go through in life shows your true identity.
A Mike
(Forgot to claim my last post on truth-sorry)
MY GOD!!! This is amasing! Now I understand why so much anymosity towards these men of God. First of all, don't count God's blessings by what you see on the outside. There are many religions and churches who don't have the truth, yet have numbers, finances, and many other outreach programs. Are they blessed by God? Secondly, this is truth and fact! Pacheco, HAS BEEN involved in shady deals in the past! There is documented records in the District Attorny's office and I personally know families and pastors he took money from and NEVER returnd it! Valverde HAS personally been involved in removing and destroying pastor who DID NOT do what he wanted! I know some in several districts. Sanches, just read the sequence of letters in the "Apostolicassembly.info" web site.WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU WANT? Men of God TRIED to appeal to them to see the injustices, and they (GB) concluded there were none. READ THE LETTERS! It is plain and simple the injustices that were committed! What more do you want?
There are no facts. The fect is you "brothers" have no facts. You dare to slime great men of God. You are just jealous silly bitter little boys who need a life. Pastor Pacheco and Pastor Valverde could be doing better for themselfs by working their god given skills in corporate america. We are blessed because they serve us. Why do you "brothers" continue to slander and defame men of God. Your emails can easily be traced. We can find out who you are. If we do, you will pay for all the damage you "brothers" have done. If you have a pastor, he too will be held responsible for your actions. BEWARE.
There are no facts. The fect is you "brothers" have no facts. You dare to slime great men of God. You are just jealous silly bitter little boys who need a life. Pastor Pacheco and Pastor Valverde could be doing better for themselfs by working their god given skills in corporate america. We are blessed because they serve us. Why do you "brothers" continue to slander and defame men of God. Your emails can easily be traced. We can find out who you are. If we do, you will pay for all the damage you "brothers" have done. If you have a pastor, he too will be held responsible for your actions. BEWARE.
You are right, they are blessed with God's favor to have what they have. However I was referring to spiritual blessings.
I have friends in most of these churches as well who I would consider God fearing people that have devoted their whole lives unselfishly to the work of God.
Most of these men of God are working on mission trips, supporting mission, their churches are still growing, they have the vision to take the church to the world instead of just to the rancho. Please don't take this negatively, the rancho's need God too, but He commisioned us to save a lost world also.
A Mike
It is not considered slander if it is the truth.
The truth is - had 2-vote Eddie or Sellout Sam entered the corporate world, they would not have made it as far as they have in the AA. They would have been incarcerated long ago.
The Pastors of our organization have tolerated as much as they can. Watching these pirates usurp the will of God by manipulating the vote was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
600/2
This site is full of lies, bittnerness, slander, defaming, works of the devil. You hide behind the anonymous buttons, but we know the works of inquinity. A sharp tongue divides the divisionesse of the church. The general board will not be mocked. I have personally met with the president and vice president, these great men of god are tremendously blessed. They smile at your mockeries. They laugh with laughter at your pennyless words filled with nothing more than mocks of jestery. A time a loaf and time to come, a time of reconning has come. Blessed are the men of the general board.
I don't know what is worse - The fact that they fail to recognize the wrongs they have committed or the thought that they are laughing instead of being concerned.
I guess Laughing is used when they say 'all the way to the bank'.
They're probably laughing as they are pilfering - that must be where the 'tremendously blessed' comes in.
If you are meeting with them, can you tell us - did you get one of the cadillacs? Or are you their lawyer to be meeting with them? or maybe their financial advisor?
600/2
C'mon Bro. I read the letter that were posted in the other website many which are anonymous.
Anonymous letters are of no value or worth. The few letters that do have names attached to them are mostly from the opposition to the elections (which I applaud them for standing up and voicing their concerns).
The lack of letters from the new GB on that website does not indicate that they are guilty of any accusation made. It simply means that they have the integrity to handle things in a different forum that does not involve people without any authority (peeps that are not Pastors.)
As it was mentioned on that website by someone (cant remember who, I think there was more than one) All of those letters from Pastors were meant for men in positions of authority and it should have remained that way. Like it or not- our pastors are our spiritual authoritiy and the ones that should be voicing their opinions. If you have an issue with the way the elections were handled, maybe you should meet with your pastors and discuss this with them. Hopefully you have that type of relationship with your pastors.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the GB has welcomed any pastor (which are our representatives) with questions to meet with them.
A Mike
I also notice you used a lower case 'god' that implies a false god. and then the rest of your post maybe makes some sense.
I serve the Almighty God. The Men of God are trying to remove your men of god (money/power)
To anonymous who says there are no facts.
You probably are blind. Do you think these bishops just all of a sudden woke up one morning and said, "hmmm, I feel like making something up." And by coincidence so did more than a dozen other bishops. Do you think that even someone from the qualifying committee who witnessed wrongdoing is making this up? Or more than half the pastors who were there? Do you think this blog is a result of the GB being angels? Do you think threats of removing pastors are simply because the GB wants to just give these pastors a small break? Do you think that one GB member admitted to another in front of ME about the fraud just a figment of my imagination?
You need to remove your head out of the sand and stand up for God, not man. Sadly enough I'm related to half the board, believe me, things are not looking good.
I would correct you, but the GB has welcomed any Pastor with a concern to voice their opinion and turn in their church.
They didn't even allow a Bishop to present info at a Bishops meeting
600/2
The Youth for Justice are a ficticious group. They only exist in the mind of one man, not the youth. This whole thing is just postering so Baldermar can get back into the limelight. He can't handle the younger generation succeeding wher he failed. Our conventions were not the point. The new general board focuses on the family and the health of the ministry. We need them to be great so we can be great and the church can be great with the greatness that the President bishop and vice predent bring. They have done not one thing wrong. your lies will be revealed.
You know I was with you until you wrote, "Your emails can easily be traced. We can find out who you are. If we do, you will pay for all the damage you "brothers" have done. If you have a pastor, he too will be held responsible for your actions. BEWARE." Come on my brother, what kind of threats are these. NOW you sound like the GB!
You don't tell people, "If we do, you will pay for all the damage you "brothers" have done. If you have a pastor, he too will be held responsible for your actions. BEWARE." Are we in China, or Venezuela?
Plagerism?!
Pyramid Schemes?!
False Accusations?!
Theft?!
Election Fraud?!
Nepotism?!
Real Estate Fraud?!
You are correct they haven't just done one thing wrong.
They need to focus on their own families and get them healthy before they can try to 'fix' the church that they broke.
You say our conventions were not to the point? They ARE not to the point. Members have lost respect.
Hey, A Mike! Do you agree with the teenage boy threats of, "Your emails can easily be traced. We can find out who you are. If we do, you will pay for all the damage you "brothers" have done. If you have a pastor, he too will be held responsible for your actions. BEWARE." I just want to know if you agree with persecuting his pastor.
Well 3:29, you will have an opportunity to practice 'true religion' - you may visit your family - I mean the GB in prison
The people that were elected to the new GB (regardless of their votes) had to go through a qualifying board.
It was the qualify board that either qualified or disqualified the person. I'm uncertain as to what their reasoning was. I am not in a position of authority so that information is unknown to me. However, I have talked to my pastor (because he is my mentor and my friend). My pastor is aware of the happenings and I am OK with the direction he gives, becuase it leads me to a closer realtionship with God.
A Mike
Breaking news!!!
Due to the overwhelming evidence against the GB Bishop Sanchez has decided to resign, supposedly for health reasons.
You "brothers" are all jealous because your fathers and cousins were losers in the last election. The Lord is raising up a new generation of prophets and their sons. The new prophets are replacing the relics of the past, a past with zero accomplished. A past of nothing. A past of empty conventions. A past fulled with scandel. A past fulled with corruption or decsecration. When God is done using the general board to cleans the filth of the Judas' that fill the ranks, there will be a great purification.
Hey 3:36. I do not agree with the whole the Wrath of God will rain down from heaven and destroy you and your whole family including your pets thing...lol...
Basically God will judge the intentions of each man's heart and he will reward everyone accordingly.
A Mike
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RE: "Breaking news!!!
Due to the overwhelming evidence against the GB Bishop Sanchez has decided to resign, supposedly for health reasons."
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Oh great, does that mean Valverde is taking over? Come on Sanchez, take some tylenol, you'll feel better in the morning! Please!
Yes a qualifying board - they determined that 600 Men of God were not to be trusted. Instead they trusted 2 men of god they had pre-selected.
Sister 3:47, If the past was as bleak as you described, how did you end up here?
To - Breaking News
Fact or fiction?
You know A Mike, EVEN THOUGH I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU, your answer to my 3:36 question make me feel that I can talk to you (the opposite side) like descent Chriatian brothers. Than you for your answer, and please DON'T stand with those childish boys and girls who threaten and disrispect ANYBODY. God Bless you.
P.S. The Holy Ghost tells somehow me I KNOW YOU.
...and those two votes came from.. drum roll...
Pacheco and Valverde! ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!
Which means, each of the two votes would be the equivalent of 150.5 votes. While each pastor's vote is the equivalent to 1 vote. My goodness that's a lot of POWER!
to P.S.
u must. ur typng in tungs
To 4:06 PM,
You know, I feel the same way. Except I don't know if it's the Holyghost telling me. You can sense a whole lot from someone's writing. I vote Mike A for president, he seems to have a descent head on his shoulders. He seems, practical.
Thanks 4:06. There is no reason why we can't differ and still be respectfull. GB
A Mike
According to the election rules, all we need is for A Mike to vote for himself and he'll have the necessary 2 votes!
Let's learn to disagree Agreably!
Sorry A Mike - didn't mean to disrespect you. I'm not implying you committed any fraud
Honestly, I don't think things were done maliciously at the elections. Obviously, some things could have been done differently. Until the GB states that they did wrong, I will stand by their decisions. All of the men on the board are well qualified men with great vision for the church.
I want my kids to have more than what I had. Our past GB did an excellent job for the time they were in office. Now it's time to go to another level. I believe these mend of God will be able to take us there without compromising our doctrine.
A Mike
This is 3:36. See how easy it is to change the spirit of the conversation! Both sides have legitimate concerns and I believe there is truth being told on both sides. Now we just got to get the lies exposed (both sides), admit the wrongs and NOT leave any wounded behind. We are serving in the SAME army and the SAME General (Jesus)= is His Name!).
Now that's funny! Go to the www.apostolicassembly.org Then click on the Online Prayer Request link - You will be sent to the Bookstore. men of god - it's all about the $$
Well I think the teenager kids are having dinner right now. So we're not seeing silly immature comments. Hopefully they resort to watching "Drake and Josh" instead of coming on here and posting silly things that don't make sense.
You don't want me on the board... According to you, I'll kick you off this blog for voicing your opinion....LOL
A Mike
Honestly, A Mike, I don't think things were done maliciously either, however, what bothers me is that NOTHING has been done to change the wrongs. Listen, I personally know some of the Men of God who were wronged. And I know for a fact that the ONLY reason they are going to file is because Bishp Torres blew the wistle. Otherwise the things hidden would have remained hidden. I do agree with you, until the GB states that they did wrong, I will stand by the decision to pursue legal action, because I know for a fact that wrongs were committed. All of the men on the board, and previous members are well qualified men with great vision for the church.
And by the way, it is time to go to another level, that's why I believe this is happening! Lord Bless you my friend.
To 4:21 PM
You may want to double check, I just clicked on it and I get a prayer form.
Sorry! Hey A Mike the first 4:26 is the same as 3:36.
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