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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 1047 Newer› Newest»I believe the GB5 go to Fontana Church, but the Dad goes to a different church- not sure which one though- So I don't think that his installation falls on Brother Sam- it would actually fall on Brother Lugo as he is the Bishop.
The Qualifying Commission consists of the heads of the five families. The Gambinos, The Lucheses, The Bonnanos etc.
Valverde and Sanchez are showing their lack of credibility and lack of discernment in making their choices to pastorships.
Here are some examples:
Sanchez Awarded a church to Rick Ramirez whom later was removed for some alleged misbehaviors with the opposite sex.
Sanchez Awarded a church to his son in law Ed Lopez, who later broke up the church and went independent.
Sanchez/Valverde awarded Edward Pacheco a spot on the GB with all the baggage he had in the Mercedes Scandal.
Sanchez/Valverde are now awarding Luis Gutierrez a church. Gutierrez, as CBS has shown has a shady background.
A pattern has been developing in front of our eyes.
5 people
The Gambinos! :) LOL
I understand that the District Bishop has the authority to appoint pastors, but since there is a tremendous amount of liability, the AA HQ should exercise some oversight.
Even the Secretary of Defense needs Senate Confirmation.
Don't forget the Award for Eric Rangel. Ahhhem...
Well Pastors need to go through a series of classes on administration, doctrine etc., they should have a criminal/credit background check as well. You can't just pick someone out of the congregation 'cause you like how they write songs for the AA and make them a Pastor. Heck, even to become a minister- you have to go through some form of classes, albeight at the CBAN but at least its something, some of these new pastors that have awarded churches just come and drain the funds, have no vision, no goals and only 40 members and only half of those are adults. Go figure.
I keep hearing about the pyramid / mercedez scandal with Brother Pachueco- what exactly was that?
Yes I agree, my last Pastor got his church with 200+ members--5 years later, they have about 50 people, no money, NO activities, no teachings, the services lack . . . well everything and he's walking around perplexed as to why everyone has left. OH but they have a good music department, which consist of people who don't want to be there.
Rick Ramirez, now there's a blas from the past. I hated being in a service when he was going to preach. He'd point people out. I was always ducking, heck, I felt guilty for theings I hadn't even comitted yet. However, I doubt that his experience humbled him. Isn't he at FLC?
For Isaac Gutierrez:
Larceny by Trick. Larceny by trick is taking possession of personal property, known by the defendant to be owned by another, with the intent to permanently deprive the victim of that property, by fraudulently inducing the victim to deliver possession of that property. For example, if Gary convinced Mary to give him her antique watch so that he could take it to a jeweler for repair, but he intended to steal it all along, then that would be larceny by trick. Gary took possession of Mary’s property with the intent to permanently deprive her of the watch by fraudulently inducing Mary to give him the watch.
Anonymous said " Yes I agree, my last Pastor got his church with 200+ members--5 years later, they have about 50 people, "
That all sounds way toooo familiar to me.
You wouldnt happen to attend church in North Orange County would you hee hee
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Someone made mention of electing Richard Buffet......I mean Maffey.
I know you must have been kidding right ?
Talk about puffed up and arrogant...literally puffed up like a bull frog.
Dont you all remember his bitter goodbye speach a few conventions ago.
He had the chance to go out on a positive note with his head high.
But nooooo leave it to a Buffet to throw stones and have zero anointing.
To Orange Co:
Nope- I'm from IDC. But this is an all too familiar scene in alot of places.
IDC ,
I feel your pain believe me I feel your pain.
My church is zzzzzzzzzz
And the only alternatives in my area are Legalistic.
Why must churches either be run by Legalistic Dictators or the other extreme run by wannabe Rick Warren Trinitarians ?
Where are all the good healthy Apostolic Churches.
There seems to be like one maybe two in every state thats it.
I might have to make a move because like a wise Pastr once told me " A church thats alive is worth the drive "
Peace
Orange county church Is that were Jesse Rodriguez is pastoring? The new elder?
:)
Ok- I have a question, I'm assuming that the attorneys the GB retained are being paid by us, the AA. Who is paying for the retaining of Bishop Rodriguez and the other Bishops' attorneys? Them personally?
Anyone out there in cyberspace know?
Again, I'm just assuming but you know what they say when you assume.
Isaac Gutierrez is not a member of Pastor Valverde's church and has not been for a while. This scam has nothing to do with Fountain of Truth.
Are you a member of FoT?
Actually, they go off and on to FOTC. I don't know if that makes them members. I guess they needed extra money for tours.
So will Pastor Valverde bail them out of this mess before their father takes over the church in Yucaipa?
So Brother Loui Gutierrez is opening a church in Yucaipa. Hmmm, will this mess be cleaned up before then?
Well, I guess Pastor Lupito Arroyo and Pastor Daniel Covarrubias don't have to worry much now- they have no more competition.
Yeah, Isaac Gutierrez will be attending a Government Run Institution.
Isaac Gutierrez may currently not attend FOT, but they sure did not so long ago. I remember when they moved down from UC, it was as if FOT had Hollywood Celebs.
But thats what happens when you go to a bottom tier bible school in La Puente having DROPPED OUT of college.
UC? Union City? I thought they came out of 1st of Redlands.
Union City, right out of San Francisco.
I believe they came to 1st of Redlands then went to FOT because people in Redlands act like they've known them since they were in diapers.
Don't they have a CD with Alessa Covarrubias and Lilli Cruz or something like that?
Brother Lupito Arroyo was never concerned or worried, I can't say the same for 1st of Redlands.
"A Church That's Alive is Worth the Drive" I may have to put that on a bumper sticker.
"Where are all the good healthy Apostolic Churches."
I go to one but it not part of the Assembly, I got fed up with as some one so eloquently put it "majoring in minor topics".
My pastor is so humble and friendly and gracious. Talk about a servants spirit. But I guess that is why his church has gone from 16 member to over 400 in the past 3 years. And guess what, no matter what the Assembly says, we are still saved. No we didn't give up our holiness standards, no we didn't turn trinitarians. I've actually grown spiritually alot more than all my years as an AAFCJ.
But it still does hurt to see this kind of stuff still going on in the Assembly.
I'm like the kid who grew up in the barrio, moved away but still enjoys coming back to talk to old friends.
I wonder how others are out their lurking like me.
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The Qualifying Commission
Daniel Sanchez, Sam Valerde
Arturo Espinosa, Celestino Guzman
Felipe Gaxiola....Go figure
Ok I know there are Bishops, Pastors etc reading this posts.
Our Pastor was upset again this Sunday and didn't preach cause he said worship was more important then the serman,and no one was worshiping the way he wanted them 2. He said we were all a bunch of bench warmers and the Holy ghost told him not to preach. I though the most important thing was the word of God being preached. He also said we should not come to church expecting to be encouraged. LIKE DUH isn't that one of the reasons we go to church, for encouragement.So after 45 mintues in church he sent everyone home.......Bishops, Pastors, anyone what do u think? is he right...plus he is a very disrespectful and always cutting us down...if u are not there after he makes an alter call in 2 sec flat there is something wrong with you and u might as well go home and eat lunch instead of warming up the pews. Do we need help or what? HELPPPPPPPPPPPP
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ofrenda
Sergio
Villanueva
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Obispo!!
Caeser Perez for the next GB5 replacment
Oh yes that he did, Plus reminded everyone that Sunday is Pastor's day and that the convention is coming up and he needs a vacation because he deserves one....yeah right
The Qualifying Commission
Daniel Sanchez, Sam Valerde
Arturo Espinosa, Celestino Guzman
Felipe Gaxiola..
Are this the new GB5?
NOOOOOOOOOOO
The Qualifying Commission for the 2006 Election
One question are this guys going to the state pen if they commited wrong
Let me ask you, if anybody send fradualent electoral results to the state capital do you believe thats enough to be send to the state pen ?
Will the flor azul be allowed to go visit them in the state pen?
Flor Azul is how the gay deparment is call in the AA.
GB5 left FOT because Bishop Valverde took them off the stage. There lives were a mess and he did not want them on stage ministering. And FOT has more then 350 members. I challenge all of you who are talking about FOT to go this Sunday and stay for both services. Most people who talk about FOT have never been there, and if you have have been there and you dont like... well you have that right. FOT is not for everyone. It's funny how you all talk about Bishop Valverde, nobody on this blog knows him. I can tell with all the comments and lies people are putting on here. Ask Bro Dan Solomon how he feels about Bishop Valverde...his answer may surprise alot of you.
If you know him that well can you answer this:
Is it true that before Valverde became pastor of fontana, that he used to sell oranges(fruit) door to door?
is he a college drop out?
IS Pacheco realy his cousin?
really
Yes Pacheco is his cousin, yes he used to sell oranges door to door and yes he dropped out of college...That's all you have? Everything you just asked is on tape or CD it's all public.
Was he ever a bishop of any district?
Why he mess his courier with this election scandal?
No he was not a bishop..Bro Baldemar and Bro Vizcarra let him fun for sec of christian ed...His career is his pastorship, not the GB...have you ever been to FTC?
What about his career in this electoral mess?
It's sad it has happened, only God knows why. But I know he is a godly man, alot of people are jealous of him.
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Your Welcome...HAHA, since you know me so well tell me where I can find you.
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**For the Record I am not Bishop Valverde** GB5 has not been around for about 3 years...by the way, they claim Union City. I thought the CBS story was hiliarious. Look at one there myspace pages, they have a pic of there pastor Phil Saenz.
So is this Bro Sanchez doing?
What in the world happen?
You seem to know everything...hold on
You
Tell
Me?
thanks
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valverde
good
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HAHA...sure. Why dont you come to church on Sunday.
Just because I defend Bro Valverde does not mean that I dont think that something wrong happened...
Tell us what you think.
What do you think happened?
What you read at AA.info
No thanks. I can just watch TDJskes on TV
Or at youre church according to some.
What you see on AA info is not accurate. Some of it is, most of it is not. You must have the same interest in this as I do because we are both on this blog...I just dont trust Tafoya, Torres, Avila, and baldemar.
Where is La Puente?
So i guess you have not been to FTC...
So If I'm Bishop Valverde then that makes you....Tafoya, give Kristy a hug..
FTC is to far. I can't afford to fly to just go visit your church on Sunday.
This is my theory six months prior to the elections Sanchez and Valverde decided to appoint their family members and take away Solomon and Fortino the only two mayor oponents of Valverde in 4 years.They also included in their list Montes,Aguilar and Martin del Campo.They never thougth that brother Torres was going to blow the whistle.2 votes for the family members and friends versus 600 votes that the pastors gave for Solomon and Fortino.
Again this is only a theory.
Can someone elaborate on the Mercedes scandal involving Edward Pacheco? Thanks.
In response to the comment made previously in regards to Bro. Solomon and how he feels toward Bro. Valverde. Doesn't God love the sinner but not sin? Wouldn't that be what he would expect from us too? He is our greatest example!
Here’s a link to the CID document
and a link to info about the Author of CID and why by his own creation he was not a qualified candidate.
http://www.apostolicassembly.info/CID.doc
http://www.apostolicassembly.info/The%20Author%20Of%20CID.doc
to the 3:40 a.m. entry:
Do you not sleep? Dude don't let this thing run your life! But anyhow, here's the answer to your question:
Eddie Pacheco presented a sales pitch on brand new cadillacs and mercedes and any other car of your choice. This was in the early 1980's and people like my parents paid him cash. He never delivered the vehicle and never returned the money. Never apologized and swiftly went to mission work in Chile. He went a wealthy man. He came back and received the church of Corona. Can you believe that? A thief for a pastor. And I can't even get off of restriction for something I did years ago. Go figure. I don't have the right connections.
To the late entries last night- learn to spell!
Does anyone know if in fact there will be a re-election this November? Or is that something that is still be argued?
I can just imagine what this convention is going to be like. Everyone will be using the platform for their own political gain.
I'd rather stay home and celebrate Thanksgiving and give thanks I'm not at the convention- it would be much more edifying to watch a re-run marathon of the Golden Girls on Lifetime.
Who is Celestino Guzman?
To 9/27 8:28 entry: and I bet you HE'S blocking you from a ministry too isn't he as he has so many others that HE doesn't think are qualified. He brags about having to have three services and that he has doctors and attorneys in his congregation. Reality, one of his services is an English service for the one doctor he has in his congregation- usually about 8 people go.
FOT = Funtime Or Truth
If it is indeed true that there are Pastors out there reading this blog, read this:
SHAPE UP! Get into the Word as you should and feed your congregations! This isn't the 40's anymore where we just blindly do as you say because you're the one in charge-- get back to your core values! The church you pastor DOES NOT belong to you, it belongs to God. Be responsible in the responsibility that has been given to you. And be thankful we're not a congregational denomination or most of you would have been booted out after your first two years.
To September 27 12:09 a.m.: A church alive is worth the drive.
'Nuff of GB5---- Bring back Nu Vision!
Eddie received 'his' church from his daddy.
His daddy told a member - 'God is finished with you. There is no hope for you'
The 'Gambino/Pachueco' family found there is more money dealing in Real Estate than cars. So they used what they learned from the cars and began organizing RE deals.
Between his Son-n-law and a member Rogelio/Roger - whose RE license was REVOKED - they have greatly improved their net worth.
If the current GB has any dignity left, they should step down and allow a re-election.
In the unprecedented event of a re-election, an outside professional company should come in and be in charge of the voting.
Pachueco is not satisfied with people's offerings and tithes. That's not enough to support his and his family's lifestyles. Each member is required to turn in 1 whole check - of their income-- to the church. So if people get paid twice a month- they have to learn to live on 1 check a month because the other one has to go to the "church". Yep, and if they don't, they're being disobedient.
I've heard that too, I heard he does that to help with the new building they are constructing- which has been in the works for YEARS but yet nothing has materialized. Hmmmm, I smell mercedes.
First Fruit Doctrine
"Each member is required to turn in 1 whole check - of their income-- to the church. So if people get paid twice a month- they have to learn to live on 1 check a month because the other one has to go to the "church". Yep, and if they don't, they're being disobedient."
This sounds like that "First Fruit Doctrine" that Bishop Valverde Preaches.
Get a job Sam!
FOT = Fortune Of Treasure
Valverde conveniently preaches junk like the Fisrt Fruit Doctrine and the Prosperity Doctrine.
To test his teachings, he should stop living off the church and go put his teachings into action. Lets see if Bishop Valverde can live what he preaches while not living off the hermanos.
Bishop Valverde and Pastor Pacheco are honest men doing a remarkable job with their churches money.
Best Wishes,
Enron
Actually the first fruit teachings is about tithing- they've taken it to the next level.
To the people of God in South Texas we are praying for you. Lets us know of ay fraud at your convention.
Who are the two GB going down there?
only 2? don't they all have to go?
They are talking about a district convention this weekend I believe
For your info:
I have family in the West Texas District and they are having their convention the same time South Texas will be having theirs which will be next week October 4-6
Thanks for your info
God have mercy on both conventions!
BOYCOTTING IS THE ANSWER. BOYCOTT EVERYTHING BUT YOUR LOCAL CHURCH PEOPLE.
They can LIE, CHEAT and STEAL but I can't wear my wedding band because i'd be disobedient? what's wrong with this picture?
approve wedding bands already!
"Poof" - there; wedding bands are approved, you want mariachi or jazz?
give me some salsa bro!
To all of the Headquarters employees: do us a favor please resign
So, when does the moderation for content begin?
Do you mean like the sELECTIONS were monitored for content?
A question for all pastors in IDC, why you never elected Ed Pacheco as your bishop ,the same goes for ELA pastors with Abel Aguilar.?
'cuz they didn't wanna
NEXT- anyone
I REBUKE the spirit of spite in the website! Pastor Pacheco is a man of integrity. Our church has grown ever since he became our shepherd.
I REBUKE the spirit of jest in this website! I REBUKE that worldly spirit of dragging our men of god through the mud!
I REBUKE the evil spirits in this website and cast you back to the lake of fire!
I REBUKE you satan! I cast you away from the Apostolic Church!
I REBUKE the works of inquinity in this website and cast you into the lake of fire!
Men of integrity don't steal people's money--neither do men of God.
Men of integrity don't lie.
The fact that you're church has grown since he became you "shepard" means nothing- JIM JONES' congregation grew from 10- to hundreds also.
CORRE IGLESIA CORRE!
When you send someone to the lake of fire is a sign that you belong to a cult.
These forums were posted in order to get an opinionated dialogue going. Most of the stuff posted is garbage, venemous and of no importance. It sound as though most on here are 15-18 year old, and if not, sure acting like it.
HELLO - LO- LO- LO- Anyone out there? Anyone with something of sustenance to write about? Give some good dialogue- save the bashing for your slumber parties.
I agree
"If you have raced with men on foot and they have worn you out, how can you compete with horses? If you stumble in safe country, how will you manage in the thickets by the Jordan?" (Jer. 12:5).
Dear Father, thank You for turning up the contrast each day and helping me to face every problem and with courage and grace. I will not back away from any of them. If I do, I start to live in a fake world where I dodge real issue and elude the crucial responsibilities which is the stuff that life is made out from. I will accept Your word for me today and move forward. And I know that when I live that way, I will be able to overcome those things that impede life. May I live with a gracious courage each and every day. I do not want to live in a parallel universe where I miss the Kingdom by a few inches. Let me live rightly and when I do, I know that the Best Life is yet To Come!
"Blowing toward the south, then turning toward the north, the wind continues swirling along; and on its circular courses the wind returns. All the rivers flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full. To the place where the rivers flow, there they flow again." (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7)
Father, may my life be lived with a purpose today. May I receive Your wisdom to know the difference between things that I cannot change, and the things that I can, so that in everything I do, it brings glory and honor to Your name.
In 1980 a young man from Rwanda was forced by his tribe to either renounce Christ or face certain death. He refused to renounce Christ, and he was killed on the spot. The night before he had written the following commitment which was found in his room:
“I’m part of the fellowship of the unashamed, the die has been cast, I have stepped over the line, the decision has been made- I’m a disciple of Jesus Christ. I won’t look back, let up, slow down, back away or be still.
My past is redeemed, my present makes sense, my future is secure. I’m finished and done with low living, sight walking, smooth knees, colorless dreams, tamed vision, worldly talking, cheap giving & dwarfed goals.
My face is set, my gait is fast, my goal is heaven, my road is narrow, my way is rough, my companions are few, my guide is reliable, my mission is clear. I won’t give up, shut up, let up until I have stayed up, stored up, prayed up for the cause of Jesus Christ.
I must go till He comes, give till I drop, preach till everyone knows, work till He stops me & when He comes for His own, He will have no trouble recognizing me because my banner will have been clear.”
I think that what we need at the AA is to allow women to participate in church goverment at all levels.
Since our assembly is about men's world.
President: Rita Salomon
V-P: Lee Rodriguez
Sec.: Sis. Tafoya
Trea.: Olga Acosta
Good! bravo!
How about Becky Montes with her PHD from where?
La Puente
hmmmm top notch school
can't we just get along!
regards:
Rodney King
Eliseo Avila should be GB6
These things have been going on for yours.
Nobody should be surprised. Im just surprised it took so long to surface.
It is just human nature to allow greed, lust and power to corrupt.
We need Real Men of valor and integrity in our Assembly.
Sadly they are very few and far between
Ha Ha. He used to come to our church and sing. Vote for Eliseo Avila
My mom still has his tapes. Going to have to borrow them. Hmmm. I going to start an Eliseo Avila Fund.
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The story of the AA
I like to ask for prayers from everyone here who blogs. I figured you could focus your attention back to needs rather than actions. This blog just about lost its purpose anyway. Let me get to my point. My sister was just diagnosed with Cancer this week. I will be honest and say that I need help to pray becasue my prayer life has not been the best. I really need all of your prayers beasuce all of you are me brethren. My family is not popular nor do I have a recognized last name but I am Apostolic. Please saits. I don't care if you are a GB, GBS, Valverde, Pacheco, Just pray for me. This is the first and last time I will ask for prayers on this blog. God Bless you so much.
Aaron 16 years old. Baptized one year. Southern California. Holy Ghost for 1 1/2 years. Born and raised Apostolic.
how old is your sister?
Pray about where you should fellowship. Make sure the place you are going to call your church home calls sin what it is -- sin. Do they believe the promises of God? Are they loving? Does the pastor treat his wife with respect? Is he a man of the Word? Does he have a humble heart, and a gentle spirit? Listen closely to his teaching. It should glorify God, magnify Jesus, and edify the believer. One evidence that you have been truly saved is that you will have a love for other Christians (1 John 3:14). You will want to fellowship with them. The old saying that "birds of a feather flock together" is true of Christians. You gather together for the breaking of bread (communion), for teaching from the Word, and for fellowship. You share the same inspirations, illuminations, inclinations, temptations, aspirations, motivations, and perspirations -- you are working together for the same thing, for the furtherance of the Kingdom of God on earth. This is why you attend church -- not because you have to, but because you want to.
Don't become a "spiritual butterfly." Send your roots down. If you are moving from church to church, how will your pastor know what type of food you are digesting? The Bible says that your shepherd will have to give an account to Him that has entrusted you to him (Hebrews 13:17), so make yourself known to your pastor. Pray for him regularly. Pray also for his wife, his family, and the elders. Being a pastor is no easy task. Most people don't realize how many hours it takes to gather a fresh sermon each week. They don't appreciate the time spent in prayer and in the study of the Word. If the pastor makes the same joke twice, or shares something he has shared before, remember, he's human. So give him a great deal of grace, and double honor. Never murmur about him. If you don't like something he has said, pray about it, then leave the issue with God. If that doesn't satisfy you, leave the church, rather than divide it through murmuring and complaining.
A woman once spread some hot gossip about a local pastor. What he had supposedly done became common knowledge around town. Then she found that what she had heard wasn't true. She gallantly went to the pastor, and asked for his forgiveness. The pastor forgave her, but then told her to take a pillow full of tiny feathers to a corner of the town, and in high winds, shake the feather out. Then he told her to try and pick up every feather. He explained that the damage had already been done. She had destroyed his good reputation, and trying to repair the damage was like trying to pick up feathers in high winds.
The Bible says that there is life and death in the power of the tongue. We can kill or make something alive with our words. The Scriptures also reveal that God hates those who cause division among the brethren (Proverbs 6:16). Pray with the psalmist, "Set a guard O Lord, over my mouth; keep the door of my lips."
Remember the old saying, "He that gossips to you, will gossip about you
Our young AA apostolic generation has a higher education than most of our older AA generations. Let us use this education to take the best that they are leaving us and go forward with it.Our beloved AA is a beautiful organization that is well known for its holiness and doctrinal standards. It stands out and is respected for this. I love our doctrine and holiness standards.
Holiness is from the inside out. The fasting, prayer, and the Word make you want to be close to Him and serve Him even in the small things, the long hair, long skirts, short hair (guys) etc.. are not a burden but a way of distinction that should also show in the way we speak or act in church and out.
I, also, think that we do evangelize in different ways according to everyone's ministry but the people sometimes want the "easy religion" and not a true committment with the Lord. I am trying to see the whole picture here. The brethren from the local churches do their part in all areas of work in the church because they are doing it for the Lord and not the pastor. Seen this in different churches in different states and other countries it is for the Lord and obedience to their pastor, but mostly knowingly the brethren work for the Lord in gratitude for what He has done and is doing in their lives. They evangelize, work, teach, and follow the holiness and doctrinal standards out of love for the Lord and in wanting to live a better and different life than what they were living.
Sometimes, I think we are just thinking as 3rd, 4th , 5th generation Apostolics ( I am one of those) but we should think as though we just got to know Him and appreciate all He has given us through this organization. The Apostolic Assembly will most likely go through a change, let us pray we don't lose the doctrinal and holiness standars but that we really adhere to them and ".. si en lo poco fuiste fiel, en lo mucho te pondre.."
If we think that it is the leaders that are not doing their part that is their responsibility before God.
It is as easy as this: Our leaders are responsible before God for their actions in their position of leadership. We, as members, are responsible before God of our actions as members of the Body of Christ.
Pray and fast every Sunday until the Lord has His way. God is always in control and uses different methods to have His way. I am sure this is one, but let's be Christlike as we post our thoughts. God bless.
All this education is a great thing if we use it wisely toward good and edification of the Body of Christ. I believe that if each one of us used our degrees toward an area of need in our church, our Assembly would save more souls and retain the saved. We have so much to give; among ourselves. We have attorneys, M.D., nurses, contractors, teachers, people in all areas of education, administrators, etc... Education is never a bad thing, it is what you do with it that counts. We are truly blessed. If my dad had had the opportunities I've had. I know he would have accomplished more in the church.
We can have the signs, wonders and outpouring of the Holy Spirit; we just need to get closer to Him in prayer, fasting and reading His Word. It is really so simple. We can have a revival in our own house, in our church, when we as individuals get closer to God. We don't have to wait for the revival to come to the church, start it in your own life. It is so true, God is only a prayer away, but sometimes the remote control is closer. Our worse enemy is Tomorrow!
Imagine the knowledge that our generation has acquired with the power of the Holy Spirit backed by the AA doctrinal and holiness standards, what an impact we could have on the world not just our nation.
One more thing, I don't think the pastors or brethren that have received their education/degrees from Logos and the other theological institutions is a bad thing or not worthy. As an secularly educated generation, you know that it is not necessarily the institution but the individual that gets what he/she put into the studying. I know that many of our pastors and brethren are studying very hard to get their degree and all they have in mind is to be of better service in their church, in their area of ministry. I am sure if any of them had the opportunity or means to attend a secular college they would do it, but it is not possible for many of them, so they are trying to get educated as much as possible to be of better service. Don't put their education down but applaud them for their efforts and we should be grateful for now having open doors to these theological institiutions to where our brethren or even we can get a theological education, which I am sure we all know is very different than secular. I can be an administrator but not know Teologia Pastoral, Epistolas Pastorales, Escatologia, etc.. Let's thank God for all the opportunities He provides for each one of us. Pray and fast every Sunday for His will. God bless
Pray about where you should fellowship. Make sure the place you are going to call your church home calls sin what it is -- sin. Do they believe the promises of God? Are they loving? Does the pastor treat his wife with respect? Is he a man of the Word? Does he have a humble heart, and a gentle spirit? Listen closely to his teaching. It should glorify God, magnify Jesus, and edify the believer. One evidence that you have been truly saved is that you will have a love for other Christians (1 John 3:14). You will want to fellowship with them. The old saying that "birds of a feather flock together" is true of Christians. You gather together for the breaking of bread (communion), for teaching from the Word, and for fellowship. You share the same inspirations, illuminations, inclinations, temptations, aspirations, motivations, and perspirations -- you are working together for the same thing, for the furtherance of the Kingdom of God on earth. This is why you attend church -- not because you have to, but because you want to.
Don't become a "spiritual butterfly." Send your roots down. If you are moving from church to church, how will your pastor know what type of food you are digesting? The Bible says that your shepherd will have to give an account to Him that has entrusted you to him (Hebrews 13:17), so make yourself known to your pastor. Pray for him regularly. Pray also for his wife, his family, and the elders. Being a pastor is no easy task. Most people don't realize how many hours it takes to gather a fresh sermon each week. They don't appreciate the time spent in prayer and in the study of the Word. If the pastor makes the same joke twice, or shares something he has shared before, remember, he's human. So give him a great deal of grace, and double honor. Never murmur about him. If you don't like something he has said, pray about it, then leave the issue with God. If that doesn't satisfy you, leave the church, rather than divide it through murmuring and complaining.
A woman once spread some hot gossip about a local pastor. What he had supposedly done became common knowledge around town. Then she found that what she had heard wasn't true. She gallantly went to the pastor, and asked for his forgiveness. The pastor forgave her, but then told her to take a pillow full of tiny feathers to a corner of the town, and in high winds, shake the feather out. Then he told her to try and pick up every feather. He explained that the damage had already been done. She had destroyed his good reputation, and trying to repair the damage was like trying to pick up feathers in high winds.
The Bible says that there is life and death in the power of the tongue. We can kill or make something alive with our words. The Scriptures also reveal that God hates those who cause division among the brethren (Proverbs 6:16). Pray with the psalmist, "Set a guard O Lord, over my mouth; keep the door of my lips."
Remember the old saying, "He that gossips to you, will gossip about you
Long posts are rarely read. Please keep them short and concise in order to make your point more effective. Otherwise, most of us will just skip over them.
You are in my prayers.
I appreciate all that you said. But we are involved in a discussion of the actions the GB have taken that affect us as a church as a whole.
As part of putting our education to use, we are discussing the qualifications of the people leading our organization.
Furthermore, there have been some revelations about elements of the AA, ie Isaac Gutierrez that are being discussed.
Does the above mentioned person affect us in our daily life? No. How does his current situation affect us then?
His father is being awarded a church in Yucaipa, CA. His father, Luis Gutierrez, has a questionable business background, reflecting on his personal ethics and convictions. This revelation wasn't devine in nature. By way of public fury, cbs2 news launched an investigation of their own. When they felt they had sufficient information, they aired a piece on the matter.
Again, you may be asking how does this affect us as a whole?
The GB has the ultimate responsability for the actions of its employees and people whom have authority granted to them via their ministerial licenses.
In civil law, the organization will be held liable for the actions of our pastors, ministers deacons and such employees.
If we have information that a pastor or soon to be named pastor, has a bad business reputation, criminal record or as such, how can they appoint that person with such a position?
I'm not saying people should not be forgiven, I am saying they should be open to their record and be accountable.
Certainly, in my opinion, a person with a reputation of taking money from people that is fraudulent, or borders fraudulent, should not be allowed to minister, let alone pastor.
Our GB doen't seem to care about holding such standards to its ministerial body since:
1. Its has on its Board of
Directors, a Bishop/Pastor
whom has taken money by deciet.
2. Has awarded a church to a
Pastor, whom divorced while
a licensed Pastor, whose
ex-wife committed suicide
due to depression.
3. Revoked the ministerial license
of a well known minister
because his wife had an
extra marital affair of whom
was "restored" to minister
to the church in song, while
the minister was not allowed to
get his ministerial license
back. Her father in law is
on the GB.
These are well known facts that I don't think qualify as gossip. May the Lord Bless your day.
Can you elaborate on Facts number 2 and 3? Everything is anonymous anyway and we've spilled the beans on just about everything already.
Fact number 3- don't you mean her FATHER not father-in-law?
To Watcha:
In other words, you want juicy gossip instead of something of sustenance.
how about the previous post to this one? it's long winded but full of juicy stuff- like that one? Can you sit through all that reading?
What is the shortest book ever written?
"How to Tell the Truth"
written by The Apostolic General Board
People- this is anonymous, don't give half-sorted stories, if you got something to say, say it full and complete or don't bother.
His or hers father in law?
To: Anon September 28, 2007 10:48 AM
Please do not put words in my mouth, it is bad "blogging" ethics especially since we're not in person and these convos are not in real-time.
My motto is "less is more". You can be more effective in your points when they are concise and at the same time informative. No need to add, re-add, then re-enforce and then elaborate. It becomes redundant and your point loses it's effectiveness.
Creative Writing 101
What about a GB that took away a house by means of deception from an elderly couple?
to the Rebuker on 9/27 at 3:47pm
does rebuking work . . . typed?
And do YOU rebuke or do you rebuke in Jesus name?
to the 10:59 9/28 entery:
Please elaborate.
What kind of Pastoral or GB power fraudulently takes a home away from a family that includes a health challenged child and leaves them homeless on the street? Is this the famous C.I.D. (Capacidad, Idoneidad y Derecho) at work?
There is a saying, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
to 11:08- please elaborate, I've heard that story several times. If people have been fearless of posting sordid stories on the thief Pachueco . . .just elaborate.
OK- so I've heard various stories on the salaries of the GB- and how much do we alot for the Pastors' widows fund? How much do THEY get a month?
We were interested in sending $ to a missionary doing work in a foreign country. We heard it from his mom to not send it directly to the GB because then he wouldn't get the whole amount. She advised to send it to him directly or have it go through her and her husband, she should know, she and her husband were missionaries as well. Skimming off the top eh?
Oh- to add to my post above- this was about 7 years ago- before all this mess came out- and who was on the GB then?
I've heard the same from many missionary's families in the U.S. they don't get all the money that is collected for their use.
So where all the Flor Azul monies goes to?
Do we need a general board? What do they do? Why can't the Pastor be in charge of the local church, the land, the ministers, and the tithes?
How much money is wasted supporting a general board? Does anyone know the operating cost of the General Office?
Thats right.
Not sure where all the money goes to, could explain their large salaries. Don't kill yourselves donating for national projects. The best thing to do is to boycott national projects and conventions. Hit them where it hurts, protesting will bring attention to it but boycotting will make the difference.
Work, tithe, give and support your local churches.
BOYCOTT THE NATIONAL CONVENTIONS!
This isn't just on the national board level- how much does your Bishop make? Believe me, they don't do it for free, how about your Elder? they get something as well. At least your pastor is working 24/7. But them?
While I'm on the topic- greed is something else. A while back we had invited an "evangelist" to our church to preach-he had the audacity to ask us how much we were going to pay him first. We told him how much of a love offering we would give him and he proceeded to tell us how much he accept for his services. This guy was a pointer and a picker. Meaning, he'd point you out i the crowd and pick at you. Come to find out, he's now backslidden. I guess he didn't realize that each time he pointed his puny index finger at all of us, there were three pointing right back at him (thumbs don't count):).
Obispo President Daniel Sanchez is the Right Man for the Job. No one of you should be questioning his Authority.
Sincerely,
Fidel Castro
Hugo Chavez
Ayatolla Khomeni
Saddam Hussein
Adolf Hitler
why you gotta bring up sergio villanueva LOL
Does anyone know if the national MOP, Dorcas, Varones, and Juniors board members get a salary, and if so, what it is?
It is so true I have asked myself this so many times.
Why do we need a general board.
And what in the world is a bishops job description.
What do they do other than collect the big money ?
Apostolic Women Don't have any standards at all. They show too much skin and are too fat.
Blessings Unto You,
Unshaven Berka Wearing Muslim Women
Oh my gosh!! that obvious huh? he always made such a stink about not standing next to someone who wasn't speaking in tongues, befriending someone who didn't tithe, not even wanting to be in the same room with people without a halo on their head. what a looser. but he'll be restored in 2 weeks time, get his license back eventually, and be re-instated as an 'evangelist' and tell us off again.
if your mom is apostolic I can guarantee she's the same way.
Well, I believe the pastor is in charge of the church, the elder is over each pastor and the bishop is over each elder and the GB is over each bishop... because you know, the GB can't speak directly to the little people, thus the chain of command.
Hmmm, that means our Elder is not doing his job because our Pastor has drained our church, the building looks nice but the people are dead, we have nothing going on--we used to have 150 people, now we've dwindled down to about 50-- no one comes and checks out anything. I guess that means our Bishop is not doing anything either because he's not on top of the Elder to get his job done. Oh wait, our Bishop is good friends with our Pastor- guess that explains why he is still here.
Too many chiefs, alot of wayward indians.
Hey Burka: so I take it your mom is one hot looking chick?
This has nothing to do with Apostolic women being fat. Are you the same bozo with a kinky fixation on obesity that kept posting boring entries on the other blogs?
No, Apostolic women DO have standards. However, the woman who married you or will marry you someday, has or will have no standards.
Just for the records, no I'm not obese and yes I like to show skin.
No, Apostolic women DO have standards. However, the woman who married you or will marry you someday, has or will have no standards.
Just for the records, no I'm not obese and yes I like to show skin.
stop with the obese entries already or the fat remarks- grow up or log on to the MOP chat room on MSN.com
Does Sergio Villanueva still attend church in Phoenix?
Mira! Sergio Villanueva- so what was all that about then? He gave a sermon once on backsliders. It was pretty harsh . . .
This is my theory six months prior to the elections Sanchez and Valverde decided to appoint their family members and take away Solomon and Fortino the only two mayor opponents of Valverde in 4 years. They also included in their list Montes,Aguilar and Martin del Campo. They never thought that brother Torres was going to blow the whistle.2 votes for the family members and friends versus 600 votes that the pastors gave for Solomon and Fortino.
Again this is only a theory.
Is this a good theory?
Apostolics need Alter Boys. I nominate GB5.
Sincerely,
Catholic Priests
Pay attention to this:
Yep, I heard it from a GB family member, the people on the lawsuit will more than likely loose their churches eventually. if they put up a fight, they'll have to go independent. Big division coming up folks-- stand firm!
Does the AA/GB funding of Valverde's church count as "Pork Barrel Spending"?
I think we've exhausted all the gossip issues because people now are clutching at straws.
Sustenance people.
I think person was referring to GB5.
One of them is certainly blatantly open in his sexual preference.
Los Medinas would walk all over any of these new groups.
David Jimenez for Obispo!!
Blast from the past- love the Medinas!
Stop with the David Jimenez entries- not gonna happen. Pastors don't really like him, they talk behind his back- aren't they the ones who vote?
Any Jimenez on any level higher than the Pastorship will make me go Catholic.
David Jimenez? Please . . .i'd rather keep Lugo.
Are you kidding? David Jimenez? He can't even . . . even . . . what CAN he do?
WOW? Is he or is he just extremely effemenite? He's girlier than my sister is!
Having David Jimenez for Bishop will finish ruining our sorry district.
ANTONIO VILLARAIGOS FOR PRESIDENT OF THE AA!
A---oops forgot the A at the end.
I vote Richard Buffet for Banquets Director.
You know hell hook up all the banquets and events with top notch catering !
Thats if he can stop chasing his cousins wife for a minute and focus.
Sergio Villanueva for singles ministry.
Thats if you want to remain single
cousins wife ?
Whats her name?
Do you know Richard Buffet ....I mean Maffey ?
It time to start a Revolution in our Organization.
A revolt, but not a revolt of rebellion and hate but a revolt of all things displeasing to GOD.
No more legalism, no more religion, no more vying for positions and no more politics.
Let us all strive to become more like Christ and exhibit Love and Compassion and spread The Gospel.
Who cares about The GB lets make a change first in our own lives then in the world arouns us.
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