Thursday, July 31, 2008

Revolutionaries for Justice




So the Revolutionaries for Justice want to come with video camera's in hand and try to affect change?

Have you not seen the Rodney King Video? It doesn't matter what the video shows, they were found not guilty.

Do you realize that a very well respected group of pastors just tried to sue our Beloved Assembly and ended up losing their churches. You think our leaders are going to listen to a few foul mouthed, name calling, disrespectful noobs? I think not! You must realize one thing; the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus, Inc.(Texas and California) has the legal system behind them.

You can't fight City Hall. I am surprised they sued. I am surprised that some of these pastors are apologizing. "I'm sorry for pointing out how the AA and its constituents were defrauded from a fair election, can I have my church back"? But I do understand why they are apologizing: It is their livelihood at stake. That is very unfortunate because most of these pastors have nothing else to fall back on.

I did read Sister Rita Solomon's letter over on AA.info. She is very well respected, intelligent and well spoken. She articulated very well her feelings and emotions through her ordeal. The anxiety, the unknowing, the embarrassment, the humiliation, the frustration of trying to do what was right and being told you where wrong, the lack of clarity as to what the future holds, being called rebellious. As Bill Clinton said, "I feel your pain".

Now you know what countless other pastors wives, who where excommunicated and removed while your husband was on the General Board and stood their and said nothing, feels like. Welcome to the real world. And I do say that with the utmost respect and admiration for you and your husband's ministry...but it had to be said. This type of politics has been bred in our Assembly, many generations have been through this. You held the reigns and did nothing to change this, not only did you do nothing to change this, you fostered this corruption. You lived high of the hog and now the hog has turned and kicked you out of the pen.

You are free now, there is no need to come back. What are you going to come back to? Its easier to see how dirty things are when your not rolling around in it. Run free and be clean no one can hold property over your head anymore. All the other pastors are held hostage by their properties. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. The truth is that Jesus did not intend for pastors to be slaves to an organization. An organization that can do what it wants, when it wants to whom in wants in the name of Jesus. Pastor's do not realize that they are held captive because of the structure of the AA. It controls the property therefore holds captive its pastors. I may not be Bible scholar but I don't think this is what God intended. It breeds corruption, pride of the flesh.

Back to the Revolutionaries...

If you want to really affect change, you must change from within. Lose the slang, lose the hostility, put on a tie and a suit and STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. Speak clearly, assertively and with the peace and kindness of Christ. You must grow into a position of respect and admiration, then...when you hold the reigns, you must not let the power go to your head. You must be a giver, not selfish and look out for future generations of Latino's across this country. Not you and your children's fancy houses and cars. This is how we must build wealth, by effecting the lives of others beyond your site and reach. YOU MUST AFFECT THE EFFECT!(That is for Freddie Jose, some of the old timers will understand the FJ reference). It will take time, be steadfast.

I am afraid if you don't, this may be the beginning of the end of our beloved social.

Apostolic Voice
BlogMaster Extraordinaire


ps.
For our revolutionaries....

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Anonymous said...

Thinkfirst

R4J isn't selfish, this is exactly what we want! Others to take the example and move along with it! We are excited to find out that something else is being done! That encourages us because we now know that we have accomplished something greater!

standing_strong said...

ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!

Please visit www.apostolicassembly.info and read the recently posted letter entitled:
"A Statement of Faith - Carlos Ivan Alvarez."

Its time to take a stand for the truth and justice like this!

Leave you comments on what you think about this letter.

standing_strong said...

ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!

Please visit www.apostolicassembly.info and read the recently posted letter entitled:
"A Statement of Faith - Carlos Ivan Alvarez."

Its time to take a stand for the truth and justice like this!

Leave you comments on what you think about this letter.

LL said...

twovote

can you please remove that picture !

twovote said...

LL said...
twovote

can you please remove that picture !


Sorry if we offended you. I hope you like this one better. I'll have to change my moniker to 'give me 4 Tacos'

factsonly1 said...

two_vote,
I like your picture of VALEverde. It looks like Valverde counting down how many more pastors left to remove.

Unknown said...

Or - how many more Big churches do I need to sell to build my Mega Church

Rambo said...

Where's the picture in question?

Rambo said...

Never mind, I just saw it.

Little Eddie said...

Hey maybe Malverde is counting Sanchez's Balls!

factsonly1 said...

I think the hat valverde is wearing on the picture gave him a flashback and out of force of nature, starting counting bags of oranges. It wasn't long till he snapped out of it and remembered he no longer sells oranges.

apostolicanalyst said...

I cannot believe that Ismael Arrelano got on his knees either physically or emotionally before these individuals of the GB!

Are we looking at self proclaimed demigods? What kind of power does the GB exude that would make someone grovel before them?

What has created this type of behavior is the love of money and what has corrupted this whole system is the lack of love and respect for one another. It is unbridled arrogance and greed.

I just wonder who really holds the reins and runs the mechanism of this situation. Is it Sanchez or is it Valverde? I guess the money pot is run by Pacheco.

I believe that it is lack of teaching, of knowledge, of personal spiritual development that has taken them there. This is the end result of a bad, ‘beloved’ doctrine.

Now they fire Isaac Cota in the situation that he is in. They have no respect for the work his father did and he has done for the church.

The solution would be for these men both plaintiffs and defendants to humble themselves before God rather than each other and resolve this jealousy and greed and ask the Lord to forgive them for loving money more than their Lord Saviour.

factsonly1 said...

apostolicanalyst,
Ishmael Arellano and his son-in-law are the pastors of their church. The son-in-law works fulltime at the church as associate pastor.

Ishmael Arellano could not handle the thought of the church going to someone else other than the son-in-law. So, he gave up his manhood and became another GB puppet.

Art Tafoya = Puppet #1
Ishmael Arellano = Puppet #2

Skotty Will Show You said...

Pastor Zuniga Surrendered HIS church!

See The Videos On Youtube Now!

there Are 4 videos To watch

LL said...

2-vote,holy toledo, hypocrite,standing strong,ranmbo,carlos,henry

NO he is not!!!


HE IS COUNTING THE LAWSUITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ESTA (val) CONTANDO LAS DEMANDAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rambo said...

Well he's going to need more hands!

LL said...

Rambo,

Hands & feet!!!!!!!!!!

Unknown said...

To Apostolicanalyst:

Lets be real. Bro. Cota should have been out long time ago. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the GB.

One of the many problems with the AA, they allow pastor to stay in control of a church that is not growing....

tonedeaf said...

Can you please post the link for the videos of Pastor Zuniga

Thanks

factsonly1 said...

VIDEO RELEASE:

Zuniga resigns - whatch the videos:


http://www.youtube.com/user/SkottyWillShowYOU

lehan said...

WOW!!!!

I saw the videos and brother Zunga is doing what all pstors should do! He is my new hero. Anyone have the information for his new church, I think I will go support his work personally. Maybe I'll even get baptized in his new church! :-}

accion said...

Bro Zuniga new church address 11000 E Washington Blvd Whittier Ca 90606 this coming Sunday at 3 pm

lehan said...

Thank you accion!

I just might be there!!!

LL said...

Accion

I will probably see the video tomorrow but, since you happen to know the address..

Who took over his church?(montebello)

LL said...

accion

Should I say, which relative of the GB took over the church?

la pregunta quien de los FAMILIARES de la M. Directiva tomo la Iglesia?

factsonly1 said...

Looks like Pastor Zuniga and the church emptied out the whole building! Wow!


Pastor Zuniga definitely is on a totally different playing level than the GB. I'm surprised he didn't leave earlier.

The GB remind me of a bunch of teenagers trying to start a frat.

LL said...

hector,

Well, if the members PAID for everything(benches,tables etc.) & not the GB.

I think they SURE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!

factsonly1 said...

I must say, the Zuniga videos were very very informative. We need more men like him. He is willing to speak up and point out what needs to be fixed.

AA bishops just it on their thumbs and hope their not the next "goose" in this silly "Duck-Duck-Goose!" game.

I have no more respect for these bishops who don't speak up for the church and for the pastors. They only speak up for the General Board. WOW! What about the people? Who speaks up for them??

This is another kind of mafia! Can you imagine? Every single bishop defending the General Board? That's beyond me! The mafia has hijacked the Assembly, right under our noses.

WATCH:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SkottyWillShowYOU

twovote said...

hector said...

I have no more respect for these bishops who don't speak up for the church and for the pastors. They only speak up for the General Board. WOW! What about the people? Who speaks up for them??


The Plaintiffs say "Bishop Abel Torres stood up"

And . . .

The DGB say "HA! He did and look what happened to him! No one else has the B_ _ _S to do what we're doing!!!"

Is it just me or does the video look like the Heads of the 'Family' gathered to 'take care' of a 'rat'.

The guy on the left looks like Don Corleone himself (+ 100 Apostolic pounds).


"AA DEVILS rule because we let them"
Abel Artie
Daniel Eddie Victor Ismael Leobardo Sam

And the lord 'Sam' said Send 4 men to meet the anointed one.

Anonymous said...

Why did he surrender his church ?

What reasons did he give ?

SLJ said...
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SLJ said...

Quote
"The GB remind me of a bunch of teenagers trying to start a frat."

But could only come up with a fart.

Pastor Zuniga had them just blabbing about nothing because they didn't know what they were talking about.


I'm putting up skotty for an Oscar

called2proclaim said...

we are taking back what the devil has stolen..
Matthew 11:12 the kingdom of God suffers violence....but the...
we,re taking back our voice....preach it.. let the truth be heard..

You shall *know the truth* and *the truth shall set you set free*.....

Unknown said...

New information has been posted at http://www.apostolicassembly.info
The Letter from Pastor David Zuñiga surrendering his church building in English and Spanish
Videos of Pastor Zuñiga surrendering his church building

Also, if you haven't already seen it, here are the links to the NEW corporation formed by Daniel Sanchez, Samuel Valverde and Edward Pacheco. This corporation was created without the knowledge of the Pastors of the Apostolic Assembly. It declares in the Articles of Incorporation that it has NO MEMBERS. This means the only ones with a vote are the THREE DIRECTORS.
Texas Certificate of Formation
Franchise Tax Certification

called2proclaim said...

Lets pray for our bro. Zuniga and wife..Let us stand and go forward.. CORRE IGLESIA CORRE

called2proclaim said...

MISSION STATEMENT:

WHAT IS THE A. C. NAVA CHARITABLE FOUNDATION?
The Antonio Castañeda Nava Charitable Foundation is the official name of the Trust Fund. This Trust Fund is to serve the members of the entire Apostolic Assembly in the continental United States and abroad. The Trust Fund is an accumulation of financial assets, or investment vehicles that mature, or yield a profit, as in cash monies donated or interest earned. Upon availability, members of the Apostolic Assembly church will be eligible to petition the Antonio Castaneda Nava charitable foundation for the following assistance:

• Financial assistance in the event of the death of a member

• Financial assistance to a local pastor or his family for illness, disability, death, and/or retirement

• Scholarship funds for deserving students in the local churches

• Emergency assistance to local churches for food, shelter, medical supplies, and/or services

• Assistance for counseling services for members experiencing trauma of any kind

In addition, as monies mature in the Trust Fund, the Trust Document stipulates that the following may be constructed to benefit the Apostolic Assembly on the national level (refer to Section 3.vi.):

• Orphanages
• Colleges
• Retirement centers


IS THIS A JOKE.....................• Assistance for counseling services for members experiencing trauma of any kind..
...THE GB HAS AFFECTED EVERYONE..CAUSED TRAUMA, FRAUD, DIVISION, THE BLOOD OF MANY IS UPON THEM..LORD HAVE MERCY.

trophyman said...

WOW!!!!

Watching the video of Zuniga handing over the church property gives me the chills. It reminded me very much of the movie The GODFATHER! All that was needed was a blindfold on Zuniga. Who in the hell are those 4 Fat Punks with black suits anyway?

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

called2proclaim said...

I dont know but they looked defeated.......In Shock......
There will be more

trophyman said...

To
Called2proclaim,
I think you have it wrong! The ones that are in need of prayer are not the Zunigas. I think it is the 4 croonies that are dressed as Hitmen wannabes someone needs to sell them some dark shades to go with those fat ass suits! LOL How in the world can you get a sermon out of something like that?

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

called2proclaim said...

ALL I KNOW IS THAT THEY HAD A GOOD AMOUNT OF SNACKS, COOKIES, HOT CHEETOS ETC.. IN THEIR BRIEFCASE..

polloloco said...

Hello everyone PTL! from south texas!, what can i say, all this situation should not be happening, but I know the LORD is going to do something. I was kind of neutral at the beginning, but now after seeing all these removals and revenge type of behavior by the GB, i realized that the GB is doing wrong and it needs to stop for the well being of our loved assembly. The church is hurting and is not fair; i just want to imagine what would brothers like BROTHER BENJAMIN CANTU, LORENZO ZALAZAR, ANTONIO C. NAVA, JOSE ORTEGA, EPIFANIO COTA, FELIPE RIVAS, MACLOVIO GAXIOLA, ETC, would think of this fiasco, In a way im glad they are not here to see this, but perhaps is time for us to go back to OUR ROOTS. I feel we have allowed other beliefs, and movements enter the church and this is dangerous. Now everyone wants to multiply as soon as possible and all we hear is prosperity preachings, grow and grow, and we have forgotten who our LORD is and our purpose. Im not against churches that have being blessed by the LORD and have prospered, but i am against those people that are only interested in filling buildings and doing things that are not in the bible. Let us continue praying. I know the LORD will make a way. Blessings.

called2proclaim said...

We are called to change the world but it seems like the world has changed many...all because we dont consult w/god before we make a move...it was clearly said..It was clearly said by Pastor Zuniga..it has become "THE JESUS TRAGEDY"..

SLJ said...

Ruddy:
The dgb is not interested in filling buildings. Seens the only thing they want is to fill is their pockets.
Read Pastor Zuniga's letter on Apostolic info.
When the dishonorable bunch brought a Bishop to adjust their salaries, when he questioned why so much waste, he was told that he was there to sign not ask questions.

A Widow said...

I wanna say that if it were not for the WHAPPING $75.00 I get a month from the most Honorable GB. I would not have enough to buy that stuff that keeps my false tooth fus on my gums.
And I could not even begin to buy extra granny panties for the month.
You know at my age you do have a few accidents.
If they gave me $25.00 more a month I'd be on hog heaven

Rambo said...

To "A Widow"

QUIT ASKING FOR TOO MUCH AND DON'T FORGET THE QUICKBACK TITHE OF $7.50!

The GB has to keep up their lavish lifestyle.

Rambo said...

On the serious side of things. I just read the latest letters on apostolic.info by Bro. D. Zuniga and Carlos I. Alvarez. The amazing and touching letter from the young minister from Bro. Solomons church in Denver. I cannot but feel great admiration for him. What an example to the youth, to everyone. To stand up to the gb in such a sincere, respectable yet adhering firmly to his convictions that they are so terribly in the wrong.

The AA has not only lost a valuable up and coming minister in young Bro. Carlos Alvarez but also in Bro. David Zuniga, a seasoned and experienced man of God. Also, of course all the other great Pastors who have been terminated and the many who are following in their footsteps.

called2proclaim said...

Rambo

I agree with you. Actions speak lauder than words. i know the GB is at the tip of collapsing.....what goes around comes around..the lord takes care of his faithfulones

Im happy to hear that after all this that we have put up with...thier is revival hearts are beginig to be restored our relationship with God has gotten stronger..All of this is happening bcuz we are coming out of a contaminated, cancerouse organization..

remember Christ will return for his church (the Bride) one without stain...

Unknown said...

In my opinion if some pastors would actually practice the love towards his congregation that they so much preach about behind the pulpit, maybe we wouldn’t need this GROW!GROW! GROW! Doctrine that we are currently implementing in our local churches!! I think most of our churches do not have a problem attracting new members, the problem is that we just don’t keep the new members, just think how many people you remember getting baptized in your church in the last 2 or 3 years? Where are they now?

I mean if you just stop going to church for let’s say 2 to 3 weeks, I wonder how many pastors would actually take their time from their so called important sector or district meetings???? To actually visit their members?? Some pastors seem indifferent towards the visitors, what do they think the congregation pays them a salary for???? And all the perks that go with it? Family health insurance, paid vacations, free car etc. etc.
Some pastors seem annoyed when you ask for prayers, some don’t come out to you , they want to pray for you over the phone most of the time , maybe he is in a very important district meeting or preaching in someone else’s church! I don’t think presiden Bush has this many meetings!

I’ve been to pastor’s meetings where the bishop for the most part is just reminding them to send in their tithes or they will be getting a phone call or a visit from the gb, it’s depressing!!!

apostolicanalyst said...

Trophyman:

WOW! Salvador Lopez, Bishop of East LA may have made a mistake in allowing Pastor David Zuniga to take the floor and expound for so long.

Bro. Zuniga comes from a ministerial background in Colombia and he is a well seasoned and articulate person.

His father was a church planter and had a mega church in Colombia.

The GB and Sanchez in particular must be in a rampage because they allowed Zuniga to let everyone know how 'trastornados' the GB are.

What he was trying to tell the ministerial body was to unite and have a recall and a new election--immediately.

El Pastor David Zúñiga dijo que era muy importante tener una elección nueva lo mas pronto posible--antes que estos tres de la mesa directiva cambien las propiedades a Texas y vacíen los fondos de la corporación de California y le quiten todos los títulos de las iglesias a los Pastores.

FYI- The men in the black suits were:

Salvador Lopez, Bishop of East LA, Pastor of Apostolic Church in El Monte.

Abel Rodriguez, Secretary of the District and Pastor of the church, El Siloe.

The one giving his back to the camera is the husband of the Presidenta de las Dorcas, Frances.
He is the Pastor of Whittier Church and Treasurer of LA District.

The last one is Sergio Maffey, Secretary of the Interior District and Pastor of the church in Paris (CA, of course).

Knowing what was coming down the pike, Bro. Zuniga, very intelligently has been establishing another church on Washington Blvd in Whittier, one mile from Sanchez church, one mile from the church that was taken away from Isaac Hernandez and one mile from thechurch of the Treasurer of the District of East LA.

Not only are the remaining members of El Siloe going with Bro. Zuniga, but many wounded from those other churches are going to join him as well.

Let's pray for Bro. Zuniga and his wife.

Trophyman..Hope I answered your question.

called2proclaim said...

Can someone post Bro Zuniga new church adress, hours and days of service...

LL said...

called2proclaim

Zuniga's address is above dated August 8, time: 11:42 am
by accion.

called2proclaim said...

THank u LL

porq said...

I guess poor ol' little Sammy, just doesn't or can't get it / accept it, that in order for him to finish & pay for his dream sanctuary or get 1 vote for the AA "el Obispo Presidente" nod he's gonna have to fess up and get so honest and real or else get "a royal pelucas" on.

He's now gone from the Fontana Civic to the San Bernardino Orange Show. I get it. He's scheming and playing the role of a proselyter, sheep stealing & recruiting members to come join and finance his 8 mils
mega-church complex to hoot his __o

LL said...

skotty will show you

Great job!!!!!!!

Did the men in black know that they were going to video tape the meeting??

to the Califonians

Had your districts had any District Services or have they been cancel??
because of what's going on?

Unknown said...

The Men In Black came to visit Pastor Z and got their butts handed to them.

MIB of the GB.

Will Smith played by Abel Rodriuez

trophyman said...

To apostolicanalyst:

Thank you very much! But honestly I was just being sarcastic! I know all hese Bums nothing but GLUTONES is all I see. That Ron Fernandez what he needs to do is work on his BMW she looks a little on the overweight side. Maffey he needs to work on that beer belly! Why is it that most Pastors are so overweight? And if you become Bishop it is automatic you must be FAT! I don't understand. Glutony is also a SIN!. Isn't it? Thanks again for your info! FYI! These guys are getting desperate, what people in the AA don't know is that there are several Lawsuits in the works. This is one reason for the GB trying to grab on the money!

LA DIS. /Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

SLJ said...
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trophyman said...

To:
TheTruthForOnce

Is this so called pastor you are talking about overweight? Like I mean a fat bum? I will be doing a survey on all fat Pastors in the AA! I will also include the big ORCAS in my survey. Thanks anticipatedly,

LA DIST.W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

trophyman said...

to: the truth for once

I am very sorry! I should have addressed your mom's situation first. I will keep a good thought out for your mom! Hang in there!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

SLJ said...

No he is not fat. I'm the one on the fluffy side, but I'm working on it.
Hey by the way this is a DGB bashing site not a fluffy people bashing site.

LL said...

jesse

the reason most of the pastors are overweight is because they go to Denny's after service.(after what 10:00 pm)

LL said...

Guys, now you guy know what to give your District officials for Christmas..(BIKES !)


can someone answer my previous question, about CA's district activities?

accion said...

California District activities?, what activities. Only cancellations.
Alert!!!
No General Convention in 2009.

Unknown said...

Brothers and Sisters

This is not rocket science!! This is common sense!!
I don’t need a theological degree to know this..
if you treat people right they will stay and come back, and if you don’t, Nobody will take you stuff!!


Local pastors need to be held accountable!!

Let’s start nominating a “Tyrant of the Week Award”

Local congregations have been suffering long enough, putting up with pastors and their families that think they own the place, does anybody know what I mean ??

That their families are a cut above everyone else!! Kind of like they were First Class and we Second class!!! And some of us used to be naïve enough to believe that !! imagine that?
We are all the same in the eyes of the Lord!!

Where are the bishops in all this? They get their local salary PLUS a bishops salary, in exchange for what???? If everytime you contact them regarding your pathetic pastor’s behavior they either ignore you and defend him like they would know better than you since you are the one to congregate locally or give you the good ol “how dare you speak evil against the men of GOD” and try to make you feel like you lack spirituality, I think a lot of our leader’s have a double life!! Apostolic Preachers: please make sure your family sees you practicing at home what you preach behind the pulpit!!!!

Unknown said...

to Skotty & assoc(our 60 minutes)investigative reporter.)

THANK YOU!!!

does bro. Zuniga said in the video that the AA was taking bro. mendoza to court over a PIANO????

Unknown said...

to HENRY

BIG THANKS for the BARRIENTOS case!!

Unknown said...

District events? HA!!! These Spiritual Whores have turned everything into a PAY PER VIEW and LIVE RECORDING.

I can imagine how The Currnent GB would PROSTITUTE the Sermon on the Mount.

I bet Valverde and his Primo Pacheco will be selling sips
of wine and pieces of unleven bread for two dollars each next Easter.

This board is a disgrace.

Unknown said...

Jesse:

No problem. Jesus said to protect the children. The Old Testament Commands the same.

The GB harbors and protects child molesters. There's more to come. There'll be more Apostolic Ministers added to the Megan's Law Website.

If any of you know of Accusations of predatory sexual behavior by Apostolic Ministers, send me an email. We are compiling evidence to turn into the DA and Attorney General.

We need to get rid of these perverts.

Hankster44@gmail.com

thinkfirst said...

jesse,

there is no perfect church or pastor. however, if you feel so strongly about the issues at hand. what are you doing in your local church to change that? out of all those people in your church (in the past 2 to 3 years that got baptized) how many have you called, yourself?

fyi- that is not only a pastor duty. please don't tell me your a musician and that's all you've been called for JUST MUSIC! Pleeeez!
Pastors can't do it all! Your pastor just might be waiting for all your good ideas to share with him .

thinkfirst said...

I just read the letter from pastor zuniga. Did he sue the AA or someone outside the AA for the death of his daughter? Why did he sue? Does anyone know the true story?

SLJ said...

Quote:
"Pastors can't do it all! Your pastor just might be waiting for all your good ideas to share with him."


Please some of this Pastors won't do anything you suggest to them cause they get mad cause they didn't think about it first. If it didn't come from a family member or or him himself forget it. They want all the credit to themselves, and if someone else will received the pat on the back.."God Forbid"
I don't know about anyone else but many people have tried very hard to help and get it going only to be turned down by the Pastor. According to him he is the Pastor. he rules what he says will be the way it will be done, and if you don't like it leave, because he is the Pastor.

Tyrant of the week: More like tyrant of the last 6 six years his been here.

THE REVELATION HAS STARTED
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL RFJ AND SKOTTY

twovote said...

thinkfirst said...
jesse,

. . . what are you doing in your local church to change that? . . . how many have you called, yourself? . . .

Jesse is not the Pastor. No offense Jesse, but for all you know Jesse may be struggling just himself just waiting for a call from his Pastor.

fyi- that is not only a pastor duty.

A Pastor that does not attend to his flock is:
1) making them starve
2) allowing them to wander
3) not giving any direction
4) letting them die
5) in the wrong business!!!!

. . .Pastors can't do it all! . . .

If a Pastor can't do it all with 30 members and falling fast, he should look fora job at a car wash. At least then he can focus on one thing at a time - and nobody gets hurt!

You should THINKFIRST Before you post!!!

twovote said...

apostolicanalyst said...
Trophyman:

FYI- The men in the black suits were:
The last one is Sergio Maffey, Secretary of the Interior District and Pastor of the church in Paris (CA, of course).

Correction - the last one is not Maffey it is Elder Ramon Alanis - Son-in-Law and ex co-pastor to the Bishop.

twovote said...

Here's a link to the East L.A. district board

Rambo said...

I have a real problem with bishops and their families being called "First Families", as if they were royalty. More than likely most of these families came straight out of poverty, which in itself is not a crime or anything to be ashamed of. To be called First Family or Lady this and that is so presumptuous.

Um I just went into that E. LA site.

thinkfirst said...

too vote too stressed,

obvisously you are not a pastor either. you probably wish you were. and say things to yourself like.....if i were pastor i would do things like this or that.

and if jesse is struggling which we know he;s not cause he had enough "common sense" to blog is opinion. then he should call his pastor himself and tell him what is going on.

that's the problem with you apostolics (2vote and the truth4once) our church is headed in the direction it is because ppl like you are afraid to speak up in person.
whah! whah! my pastor said NO I can't be in charge of this or that. you are so quick to blame the pastor.

i'm not talking about a dwindling 30 memeber church. WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOURSELF??? I BET ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN AND TALK ABOUT it TO YOUR FRIENDS AT CHURCH!you are making a choice to suffer.
Not only do I THINKFIRST before I speak but I made you THink about your pity party. whah!whah!

sometimes ppl can get lazy and want the pastor to do all the work.

thinkfirst said...

too vote too stressed,

said to thinkfirst the duty of a pastor. all those you listed just reveals what kind of pastor you have. man, no wonder you are too stressed. sounds like your pastor is struggling.

yay, no wonder you have such harsh statements. Your Pastor made you starve and that made you wander in the wrong direction. It's no wonder why your so cold-blooded.

too much stress is very bad for your heart. i feel for you bro you sound like you have a lot of issues that you should have worked out before reaching adulthood.

thinkfirst said...

rambooo said;

I have a problem with bishops being called "first families"

from reading your prior posts;Ramboo,I THINK YOU JUST got PROBLEMS. GET HELP SOON!

tijuana guerrero said...

the truth for once

Are you by any chance from Dos Palos also. Just curious. I used to congregate there also.

SLJ said...

thinkfirst:

Yeah your thinking first but not with you head rather your ass. ( sorry about that one)
We have spoken up I even wrote to Bishop Hoyer twice but he is to busy given woman's conferences all over this state.
I'm not afraid to speak up in person, and I sure don't whah whah like you stated.

then you say "you apostolics"

Your not one?
If your not one stay out of it.
This is our fight!

Any beef with that.


solis_lj@yahoo.com

SLJ said...

Yes I am tijuana guerrero.

Write to me.

solis_lj@yahoo.com

twovote said...

thinkfirst said...
too vote too stressed,

Why be stressed? with twovotes, I could become a GB member and start a new corporation!

obvisously you are not a pastor either . . .
I couldn't handle the responsibility. It definitely is a higher calling.

he should call his pastor himself and tell him what is going on.
And you assUme he hasn't ?

you are so quick to blame the pastor.
You sound like you might be the Pastor The Truth For Once was referring to when they wrote:
"Everyone here knows the only reason he is pastoring is for the pay check and so he won't have to work. . . he is so busy with a the 30 member congregation we have left because everyone is leaving, and more to follow. . ."

Not only do I THINKFIRST before I speak . . .
You should try to THINKFIRST before you WRITE!!

sometimes ppl can get lazy and want the pastor to do all the work.
And do tell, but PLEEEEZ THINKFIRST, What work is the Pastor's responsibility?
Is it to attend convention and VOTE??? Stay quiet and allow a few brave Pastors to take a stand and when they do fall back and leave them hanging? Maybe they need to call the Brothers and Sister to check on them - when their tithes are late?

By the way, your time is running out. Enjoy your position while you can.

polloloco said...

HEY RAZA! PTL!! WELL LIKE A TYPICAL APOSTOLIC I JUST CAME FROM DENNYS AFTER SERVICE. BROTHER DOMINGO ZUNIGA WAS HERE IN SOUTH TEXAS THIS PAST WEEK AT THE VARONES CAMP. I WONDER IF HE KNEW ABOUT HIS BROTHER LEAVING THE ASSEMBLY. I AGREE WITH BRO. ZUNIGA WHEN HE SAID THAT A RE-ELECTION OF THE GB NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW!!!! THATS THE ONLY WAY THIS SITUATION IS GOING TO BE RESOLVED. THIS TIME THE VOTE OF THE PASTOR NEEDS TO COUNT; THAT MADE UP THING (THE CID) NEEDS TO BE BURN MAYBE AT ONE OF THOSE "ENCUENTROS" WHEN THEY BURN THE SINS AT NIGHT =). WE NEED TO GO BACK TO BASICS, I MISS THE CHURCH OF BACK THEN, I WANT MY CHURCH BACK! SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE! THE GB NEED TO HUMBLE THEMSELVES AND RECOGNIZE THEY DID WRONG, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES. BUT IT SEEMS THEY ARE VERY ORGULLOSOS AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS CHURCH. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY. DIOS LES BENDIGA!

Unknown said...

to Thinkfirst:

why did you get so bent out of shape?? I think you are a pastor or you are waiting for your dad to pass on the church to you!!!

I'm assuming things about you just like you are about me, is that fair??

we are here to discuss topics, that you would not normally talk about at church, why? because if you did, guess what would happen???????

and no I'm not a musician,not that there is anything wrong with that!! I'been serving the Lord for over 26 years, I've worked in district and national conventions with most of the bunch from Rancho, and I can tell you,if only people would see how they are in private and in the evening they are the mc of the service, sorry i cant go into more details.

SLJ said...

To bad you can't go in more details, so that the hermanos that don't know what the DGB true colors are.

Rambo said...

I think old "thinkfirst" got his feathers ruffled because he probably belongs to a so-called "first family" and he loves the handle of "first son"! Ha-Ha What hogwash!

Unknown said...

by the way if anybody is interested in coming to the L.A. Varones District,its coming up the second week of September, I would love to meet some of you guys in the area and just talk and fellowship remember those days????, you wont go hungry I can tell you that!!!! TORTILLAS ECHAS A MANO!! what more can you ask...

Rambo said...

Hey, did "thinkfirst" appear just as soon as "factsonly" died out?!

Rambo said...

I mean because ole Sam, factsonly and thinkfirst all do that wah, wah, wahhhhhhh business!

called2proclaim said...

we should all call the GB offices....starting On Monday....JUst to talk see how they are maybe even share a meal together....u know like friends.

JUST MAKE SURE IF U WANT TO GET THERE ATTENTION AND MEET WITH THEM

YOU HAVE TO SAY U WANT TO MAKE A DONATION TO THE AA...U KNOW $$$$$ then they will be calling you and the gb will start to give the attention..
the GB has no idea whats coming up..

twovote said...

I think STINKFEST is trying to respond to my last post. I challenged him to THINKFIRST before WRITING.

Rambo said...
I mean because ole Sam, factsonly and thinkfirst all do that wah, wah, wahhhhhhh business!


Next he's coming back as 'ONLYBELIEVE' - all things are possible!

That must be one of the GB's favorite songs:
(Don't listen to the Plaintiffs)
Only Believe.
(Eddie Pacheco received the most votes)
all things are possible
(if we can convince you to)
only believe

tijuana guerrero said...

the truth for once

check your email

LocoValdez said...

Where are you now,
tijuana guerrero ?

SLJ said...

John: e-mail at solis_lj@yahoo.com with his permission I will e-mail you back his e-mail. I think he would like very much to hear from you.


THE REVOLUTION HAS STARTED!

called2proclaim said...

QUE VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!
/////Si Se PUEDE/////

LocoValdez said...

thank you, truth

tijuana guerrero said...

John
email on the way to truthc call me

middleoftheroad said...

I heard through the grapevine that Brothers Ismael Arellano and Isaac Cota have NOT BEEN removed by the GB, but are still full fledged and fully credentialed ministers of the AA.

I certainly hope that this is true because we don't have many good men left that would fight for us.

I believe that they will stand with us at the Gaylord in November.

truth said...

some one should be incharge of getting people together at convention to pass out some notes with all the web information.
i'm sure a lot of brothers and sisters are not aware of this web sites.

Seven-T said...

Links to Eight part video of Pastor David Zuniga's preaching in Midland, Texas on Friday, August 1, 2008.
"La Iglesia Omega"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5u-kH3y57o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQuEquFDHb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKT8lXCgmkA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zENiyFGZ_nA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEyObUht04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbBqqqoq4dM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARQDvWLGWqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJpWsiF3yfU

californian said...
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hahaha said...

So does the AA now allow homosexuals to sing and play an instrument for the church!?

i thought that wasn't allowed!? =/

thinkfirst said...

to jesse,

wow! a soft answer turns away wrath.
No, I didn't get bent out of shape. And I don't have time to express my thoughts right now. I am a very busy peson. I will be blogging on this post later tonight. I agree with you in many ways. however, I do believe in checking yourself before you blame others, though. thanks for your insight.

p.s.s And as for 2vote and truth4once don't worry I'll be back. Like I said I am a very busy person.

called2proclaim said...
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called2proclaim said...

Please excuse my mistakes..in a hurry not really checking for spelling..

Unknown said...

!!!QUESTION!!!
The Zuniga videos - has anyone attempted to translate? Or just the "highlights" at least? He sounds articulate but i dont understand what he is saying at all. Any takers?

LL said...

Jesse regarding Mendoza they are suing him because a piano.

Skotty-60 miutes correspondent, you haven't answer my question. Did the district board know that they were being recorded?

Henry, thank you for the B..case our district also has a case like that .

LL said...

Correction to Jesse

They are NOT suing Mendoza because of a piano. It's another matter.

Unknown said...

ll

Whats the case? Send me the info.

Hankster44@gmail.com


The info on sexual abusers keeps rolling in. Barriento's has his trial tomorrow.

Please say a prayer for the many victims that will be testifying. They feel ashamed and traumatized over these perverted acts committed by "men of God".

LL said...

Well, WE would have to file something before we call any witnesses.

Was Barrientos a pastor or minister?

called2proclaim said...

WILL THE gb ATTEND TOMORROW?AI

LL said...

Henry, this was not sexual abuse.

But, physical abuse.

LL said...

H, I did send you an email about two weeks ago. But, no response yet.

It was titled: GB Update

LL said...

called2proclaim

No, GB will sendig t/puppets!!!!!

called2proclaim said...

LL:

CAN YOU EMAIL ME THAT INFO..

called2proclaim@gmail.com

Unknown said...

Barrientos is a PASTOR. He was only "removed" as pastor last week after the news of his arrest and trial was announced on this site.

The shameful thing is that he is STILL LICENCED as a MINISTER and collecting his pastoral salary, per Barrientos himself.

I know he is presumed innocent until proven guilty, but the Apostolic Assembly should have placed him on unpaid leave and temporarily suspended his ministerial license and priviledges until the completion of the trial.

The accusations against Barrientos were braught to the attended(reported) to AA Leadership, AND THEY DID NOTHING stating to the Victims, "It will be your word against a pastor's word".

As per filing or notifying the DA, send me an email and I will assist you.

With the gravity of the accusations, once you, as a leader in the church, have knowledge of sexual abuse, you have a duty to report it to the authorities.

The AA cannot tbe trusted to report these matters.

Just review the cases against Catholic Priests.

called2proclaim said...

Does anyone have the case number?

called2proclaim said...

Does anyone have the case number?

LL said...

H, check your emails for the past two wks it's there.

Are they just seeking prison time for him or are they Suing?

The two pastors are still in my district . But, the 3rd witness has moved but, I will not have trouble tracking that witness down.

called2proclaim
I'm sorry I cannot send you info until I speak to my family first.
As soon as I get a go I will.

Unknown said...

ll

Its a CRIMINAL CASE.

People of California

vs

Armando Fierro Barrientos

No money damages saught. JAIL TIME. The civil case against the AAFJC will seek money damages, should the Victims of Sexual Abuse by Ministers and Pastors of the Apostolic Assembly Church decide to sue.

LL said...

To all bloggers

D. Zuniga had posted his letter in aainfo .

It's not t/anymore can someone post it again? or did I miss it??

called2proclaim said...

LL:
your right it is missing...??

LL said...

who runs aainfo?

Can someone from D. Zuniga's please POST IT AGAIN!

called2proclaim said...

It above the one that is 8/8/08
it is titled as:

Pastor David Zuñiga Surrenders His Building English - Spanish

called2proclaim said...

the changed the title..
I dont know who runs that site..

tijuana guerrero said...

ll

just came of apostolicassembly.info
letter is still there. (Zuniga)
Also you can ask for it at healingnow@live.com

called2proclaim said...

does anyone know where Victor Prado church is located???

LL said...

Gracias!

called2proclaim said...

wORD HAS IT THAT VICTOR PRADO...LEAVES HIS CHURCH ALONE..
UNATENDED.. BECAUSE HE IS TO BUSY WORKING AT THE GB OFFICE..

accion said...

Barrientos is related to Dan Sanchez,thats the reason why he is protected.

tijuana guerrero said...

people of the state of california versus armando fierro barrientos
case ccm 20119
accusation: sexual battery

called2proclaim said...

what does the present and Future hold for the AA??

porq said...

Called2proclaim,

D.Sanchez is now shaking his knees since he won't humble himself-PRAY!

Sad to say it but I only see gloom n DOOMSDAY all across AA landscape!

Lord save your people today ...

I am reading a powerful little book
titled "An Irresistible Revolution"
by Shane Clairborne. GET IT Y'all!!

Unknown said...

One thing for sure, the Apostolic Church will reap what it has sown.

Thats Scripture. You can Bank on that.

Who's doing the sowing? Pacheco, Valverde, Maffey, Prado.

Prado's NEGLIGENCE just caused the AA a few million dollars and the life of an innocent 15 year old girl(RIP Cecia).

How come the GB doesn't Audit Prado and lock his church up?

Did any of the Excommunicated Pastor's ever committ negligence that lead to the death of anyone?

You literally can say "BUT FOR" Victor Prado's Negligence, Cecia Z would not have died when and how she did.

VP knowingfully leased a car for
VP2 who had a REVOKED DRIVERS LICENSE.

I'll stop at that, my blood is begining to boil.

Unknown said...

OMG! thats news to me
thats extremely irresponsible - now the lawsuit makes sense. Im sure $$ has no value when it comes to loosing a child.

called2proclaim said...

That is sad to know that a pastor and bishop at the level can allow his son...to drive...

If im correct was it only VP2 and C the only ones in the car?

How old is VP2?

called2proclaim said...
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called2proclaim said...

Is VP2 allowed to drive now?

Unknown said...

You know, I'll say this much. When the accident happend and VP2 was in the hospital, many were saying what a miracle it was that VP2 recovered.

The real miracle would have been that VP2 would have obeyed the law and not driven per his REVOKED DRIVERS LICENSE.

You see, when a state Revokes your driving priviledge, it means you cannot drive/operate a vehicle.

Another part of the miracle would have been for Arch Bishop Prado not leasing a car under the church to give to his son, knowing he had his license REVOKED. See, he would have noticed his REVOKED license when he applied for auto insuarance and disclosed the other driver. They ask for that kind of info.

Miracle huh?

Rambo said...

NEWSFLASH!
The GB has been stopped again in their quest to take possession of the Midland church! Bro. A. Torres and his attorney were not notified timely of the hearing today. It seems that Atty. Motes tried to pull a fast one for the GB by attempting to obtain a restraining order to lock the pastor and members out of the building on Wednesday, August 13th, but the Judge would have none of that. It is also rumored that a board member arrived in Midland today. (More wasted AA funds!)

The GB has been turned away once more in Midland by the legal system. It appears they can be above the law in California but Midland judges will not have any part of it.

truth said...

any one knows why the car insurance was under the AA.
I'm just trying to understand why the AA was involved in the accient.

Rambo said...

Court proceedings in the matter will continue at a later date, possibly in September.

called2proclaim said...

Why was his CA license revoked??
Can someone answer that?
Is He Allowed to drive now?

Unknown said...

Here's a link to Pastor Zuniga's letter

sola dei gloria said...

Victor Prado is now pastoring San Fernando Church in socal

unhe2 said...

To; Jesse and ll

Bro. Mendoza is being sued for a piano, other instruments and $60,000.00 of which he is not a worried, because he has every proof and since his soul is worth alot more than that, nothing but truth comes out of that mans heart.

Seven-T said...

If Valverde didn't like Texas/Texans before (told to me by reliable sources. yes more than one source)one can only imagine what he's feeling now!

accion said...

The people of the State of California
vs
Victor Prado
Case # 7JB02810
West Covina Superior Court

called2proclaim said...

accion:
Henry:

Why was his CA license revoked??
Can someone answer that?
Is He Allowed to drive now?

thank u both 4 the info.

Unknown said...

It was revoked at the time of the accident. Why? More research to do.

Dang, what kind of screening does the GB do to its contractors and ministers?

Isaac Gutierrez
Charged for Grand Larcenry

VP2
Revoked License given a No-Bid Contract for the 2006 Convention.

Armando Barrientos
Charged with Sexual Battery

More to come...

called2proclaim said...

accion:
Can u post a link 2 get more info on VP2 court case...

The people of the State of California
vs
Victor Prado
Case # 7JB02810
West Covina Superior Court

please post a link.

Rambo said...

So Valverde hates Texas! Boy that's a lot of hate. Texas is a really big state, full of Texans! I wonder why he hates us.

called2proclaim said...

accion:
Can u post a link 2 get more info on VP2 court case...

The people of the State of California
vs
Victor Prado
Case # 7JB02810
West Covina Superior Court

please post a link.

Unknown said...

For those of you who are interested in reading on the subject, look up:

Califorina Penal Code 11165


Our good leaders just might be in more trouble......

quin322 said...

El remanente se esta formando!! YA VIENE CRISTO!!!! ADELANTE SIERVOS DE DIOS!!

Unknown said...

I mean:

California Penal Code 11165

Anonymous said...

www.revolutionaries4justice.ning.com

Come join and fellowship in peace! Now over 150 members! Join to discuss current affairs and support our Pastors, whether they are in or out of the AA!

In this network you can create your own profile and chat with friends or get to know more of the brethern!

Post pictures, music, church events, activities, etc...

Get in touch, Stay involved!

called2proclaim said...

Here is A link to file complaint against non-profit org..

http://ag.ca.gov/charities/forms/charitable/ct9.pdf



pass the word around

called2proclaim said...

http://ag.ca.gov/charities/forms/charitable/ct9.pdf



Make Copies the more we get filled the more they will invetigate all the GB hidden secrets

called2proclaim said...

Corporation
APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS
Number: C0138432 Date Filed: 3/15/1930 Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
Address
10807 LAUREL ST
RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CA 91730
Agent for Service of Process
EDWARDO PACHECO
10807 LAUREL ST
RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CA 91730

Unknown said...

To Henry:

I met mr.Barrientos when he was the pastor in Calexico,CA in the mid 80's, even back then he already had a terrible reputation!!
I just figured it was a bunch of malcontent people in his congregation who couldn't handle this man's annointing!!! only GOD knows the the full extent of his crimes.....

Unknown said...

To Unhe2

thanks for you clarification.

I couldn't agree more on your statement regarding pastor Mendoza.

LL said...

called2pro

Went someone rent's a car if they have an additional driver they must ask for a Driver's License & charge an additional fee. Unless it's a spouse . In this case it was not a spouse . I f VP rented under the aa that's why D. Zuniga received his compensation from.

Rambo, I had mentioned already Valverde & Texas . He lived t/around the 80's. Disliked the administration.


Henry or Skotty wil show you

Did the men in black know they were being video tap?

Rambo said...

LL

I know this may not answer your question. But if you'll notice on Part IV of the "surrender" videos there's a sign that's supposed to be at the church for all to see that says "Warning Audio & Video Digitally Recorded 24 hours a day."

LL said...

Thinkfirst

D. Zuniga did sue & won. But, you have to keep in mind that the Gb is ALSO SUEING OUR PASTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

trophyman said...

Here it is Folks!!!

The GB is seriously considering cancelling the Gaylord convention. I tell you the pressure is getting to them!!! Their excuse is that they don't like the spiritual atmosphere in TEXAS!!!!

LA DIST. W/Insights into Rancho Cucamonga

Skotty Will Show You said...

They Can't Cancel On ME now!!!

Dont they know how much money i just spent on my Plane Ticket, Hotel Reservations and Protest Permit!!!

That Stuff Isnt Cheap!!!


SKOTTY

Skotty Will Show You said...

IM GONNA CALL DANNY BOY AND ASK HIM IF THIS RUMOR IS TRUE!

I SUGGEST YOU ALL DO THE SAME!

Rambo said...

They should be worried about the "spiritual atmosphere" at Rancho Cucamonga because I think a good majority of the AA membership is definitely worried about it or the lack of it.

Seven-T said...

Just curious as to how much $$$$ it would cost the AA to cancel their event at Gaylord. I really doubt that implosion would be considered just cause or a natural disaster that would grant the AA the right to cancel without penalties. My, my, either way I think it is a lose-lose situation.

I hope the "dream team" understands that you just simply can not decide to not have a convention without some repercussions when bound by a contract. You think?

SLJ said...

Yeah the first thing People think it is malcontent people in the congregation causing problems.

We have been the dropping place of Pastors that had to leave other places.
One true tyrant was Juan Barron and his wife Becky.
The other tyrant was Joe Silva who was placed here because he was doing such a great job in his church, and because he was they took him out and dropped them off here to in the words of the Bishop then " To Straighten up the congregation"
Instead of instructing him to love the congregation nope it was put them in their place.

come again said...

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat!? Texas isn't spiritual enough! Didn't everyone see the August 1 videos in Midland? That's Texas, yes it is.

Besides what are they gonna do now with the new Texas Corporation they formed without anyone's approval now that they've decided that Texas isn't good enough? Oh, yeah, I know they can now open up a Swiss account! Transfer AA funds then move there.

What's ODaniel BinLaden's phone number? I need to call him too.

Rambo said...

Apparently they don't care, as I'm sure it won't be $$$ out of their pockets. They'll just squeeze a Mega Offering out of the hardworking, tamale-making hermanos. That should take care of the loss of thousands of dollars for the convention cancellation.

Rambo said...

Hey Seven T, I like that -

The AA implosion!

tijuana guerrero said...

rambo

remember they made over a million bucks in san bernardino.
no problem paying off gaylord.

called2proclaim said...

CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME THE HISTORY OF THIS DOCUMENT???????

WHAT IS THIS:
Corporation


APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF STANISLAUS COUNTY
Number: C0449398
Date Filed: 4/15/1963
Status: suspended
Jurisdiction: California
Address
MODESTO, CA 95351
Agent for Service of Process

called2proclaim said...

Here is more info:


http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowList

. said...

If ya'll vote for me,I will change your church!


OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

porq said...

ALERT ALERT ALERT !!!

Folks, this just came into CNN wire

The twin towers of the AA DGB 8 have been "hit", one has already crash down (truth), and the other tower (integrity) is still on fire it looks very weak and should be tumbling down ANY minute now. But oh no, DGB 8 refuses to evacuate the burning bldg!

Folks WHAT SHOULD WE DO FOR THEM..?

called2proclaim said...

Since u know everything OBAMAMAMA can u answer this....




CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME THE HISTORY OF THIS DOCUMENT???????

WHAT IS THIS:
Corporation


APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS OF STANISLAUS COUNTY
Number: C0449398
Date Filed: 4/15/1963
Status: suspended
Jurisdiction: California
Address
MODESTO, CA 95351
Agent for Service of Process

A Widow said...

Change the church I need to change my granny panties. I jsut had an accident.
Thank you general Board for the whapping $75.00 a month oops minus $7.50 tithe.
That one guy looks like the dude that used to come selling oranges to my casa.

CHAIRMAN_MAO said...

has a single bishop(abel torres not withstanding) offered an alternative exit strategy out of this mess?

Someone out there must have out soem thought into this, the AA will need a South African type Truth and reconciliation commitee, if if wishes to surivive.

This was one of the greatest achievments accomplished under the Mandela presidency in South Africa. The AA needs a desmond Tutu. For you of the lower IQ range (yes that includes most of the GB), google "mandela", "south Africa", "desmond tutu", or "South African Truch and Reconciliation" lol.

A nuremburg type alternative would be the final death blow to the AA.

called2proclaim said...

AnArchy
A A= Anarchism

"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."

called2proclaim said...

ALERT!!!ALERT!!!!ALERT!!!!

New Corporation

Anarchy Assembly of The Faith in Sam Valverde, Inc

. said...

This is from the apostolic restoration blog
***********************************
BRETHREN, we are calling on all you who are oppose to the actions of this "untoward-leadership". Its time you stand up for what is right! Be a true man of God, in these last days!

Pastors, your sheep will follow you!
Lead them right! Feed them right!
You have to move now!
They will die spiritually if you stay in a spiritually bankrupt system. Buildings, pay checks and titles are nothing in light of those lives God placed under you to watch over and to care of and PROTECT FROM HARM!

If you are a pastor or minister and you want help, e-mail us at healingnow@live.com
If you are not a minister yet, but you know you are called for such a time as this, the LORD hath need of thee. Please send us an e-mail!
If you are a saint of God, male or female please contact us!

mb said...

Pastor Zúñiga is my hero! He had to courage to stand up for what is right. And he talked circles around the black suits. Some parts are pretty funny. He leaves the main black suit stuttering several times.

Having this videotaped was the best thing ever. The dgb cannot spin this departure like they have tried to do with the others.

Pastor Z is so right - we need for the bishops to stand up and demand an end to these injustices! Unfortunately, the bishops are more concerned with titles, positions and possessions.

LL said...

regarding: D. Zuniga's letter

my question to all the bishops, pastors, elders and members

What part of PERSECUTION & THREATS
don't you understand?


Acercade: Carta de D. Zuniga

Mi pregunta a todos los obispos,pastores y miembros

Que no entienden de PERSECUSION Y AMENAZAS de parte de la Meza Directiva no entienden?

Unknown said...

To ThisGeneration:
Re: Apostolic Restoration Blog
Although I agree with its message wholeheartedly, I disagree with it’s approach:
First, In my opinion, this revolution is and has to come from the “regular” brothers and sisters, not pastors and ministers, why? Because the aa has bought and paid for most of these men of GOD, you cannot expect your pastor to speak up on his own because he is afraid he’ll be kicked out. I admire the men of GOD who have paid the price for speaking up for this injustices of this administration, but did you see an stampede of pastors following these mens examples in protesting? How come other pastors did not join them?
Second, why segregate “pastors and ministers on the right and everybody else on the left”as if those where the only ministries that count in our churches, who actually supports the pastors but us the “regular”church members, those of us who tithe and who give our offerings, the sisters working in the kitchen, the varones doing…whatever it is that they do, we have the responsibility to inform our brethren of what’s going on, so that our pastors have no choice but to stand up, but to ask questions, because maybe for once in their lifetime the congregations will be holding them accountable for something! Bro. Zuñiga said he couldn’t answer the church members questions regarding the aa actions, our pastors are not going to act until they feel obligated!!!

LL said...

Porque no, nos ha dado ESPIRITU DE TEMOR sino de dominio propio...

EL TEMOR VIENE DE SATANAS!!!!!

For God has NOT given us the SPIRIT OF FEAR but, of love,Power...

FEAR: Synonyms 1. apprehension, consternation, dismay, terror, fright, panic, horror, trepidation. FEAR, ALARM, DREAD all imply a painful emotion experienced when one is confronted by threatening danger or evil. ALARM implies an agitation of the feelings caused by awakening to imminent danger; it names a feeling of fright or panic: He started up in alarm. FEAR and DREAD usually refer more to a condition or state than to an event. FEAR is often applied to an attitude toward something, which, when experienced, will cause the sensation of fright: fear of falling. DREAD suggests anticipation of something, usually a particular event, which, when experienced, will be disagreeable rather than frightening: She lives in dread of losing her money. The same is often true of FEAR, when used in a negative statement: She has no fear she'll lose her money. 6. apprehend, dread.


FEAR IS FROM SATAN!!!!!!!

Unknown said...

Jesse:

I agree with you. We need to find away to work in unison to achieve our goal, the Restoration of the Church.

Members need to team up with pastors and ministers. That way, we have a united force.

Just as the Canadians, Brits and Americans teaamed up to defeat the Nazi's at Normandy.

We should have a meeting.

called2proclaim said...

Let us not forget this is the lords battle.....He is in control giving us the people his children the VICTORY....

It just takes one person from a congregation to step up and proclaim truth.....That how we will all be set free.....


As for those pastors and ministers deacons..etc. if they choose do live and breath a screwed up man made system then they do not have the mind of christ their way of life is carnal...always ready and willing to please man!!! But hesitant to please the lord of lord and King of Kings..JESUS CHRIST...

twovote said...

From www.apostolicassembly.info:

Blood on the hands of the General Board

Bishop Victor Prado,

First let me say we do appreciate that you have dedicated you life to the work of the Lord. Over time you served in many capacities. In fact with regards to your service, amongst your peers, you are one of the few who actually meet the criteria to become a General Board member.

That being said, recent failures in judgment have cause great and irreparable harm.

First, but not the greatest, was your part in the actions both past and present of the current General Board of the Apostolic Assembly. Whether you were a part of the deception that occurred at the 2006 elections, you have chosen to remain associated with those who have seized control of our organization.

More importantly, as a result of your actions as a General Board member, a young girl tragically lost her life. The vehicle paid for by the membership of the Apostolic Assembly was placed in the hands of your uncontrollable son. Consequently this young man, who had apparently learned to disregard the law from his father, drove the vehicle in an unsafe manner. The State of California had already recognized that Victor Prado Jr. was not qualified to sit behind the wheel of any motor vehicle and revoked his Drivers License. You were aware of this, yet you didn’t care.

Because the vehicle was in the Apostolic Assembly’s name, even greater care should have been taken.

Now, because of YOUR actions a Father will not see his daughter become an adult. He’ll never see the grandchildren his daughter may have given him. Many souls may go unsaved, because she is not there to reach them. Her blood is on your hands and the hands of the Apostolic Assembly.

Finally, and nowhere near as important as the life that was taken, How many hours did Sis. Tala work to make Tamales to raise funds? How many sisters like her have given of their time and their talents to raise money to reach the lost? How many fundraisers does it take to raise $1,000.00? Your failure will cause these hardworking sisters to work for years to recuperate the millions paid out. It will take 5,000 sisters over 20 years of weekly efforts just to come close.

Bro Prado, Please Please Please do the honorable thing and resign from the General Board. At least in this way you can demonstrate you recognize the hardships you’ve caused. Maybe then people will once again respect you for the good things you’ve done in God’s kingdom.

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called2proclaim said...

. . . VP2 to use his plane card that is Paid from the AA....His Dad allows him to use that card to make trips...

Many have seen him...and its a disgrace
....Please respond i will fill u in.


Please fill us in.

Is there proof he is using the AA Plane card? We should demand an audit. Do we have any rights in a Calfornia Corporation as members? Pastors? Can we demand an aduit? Can we demand it at the IRS level for the 501(c)(3)? Any sound legal advice out there?

Very very sad.

twovote said...

From the court transcripts:

8/17/08
AS TO COUNT (01):
IMPOSITION OF SENTENCE SUSPENDED
DEFENDANT PLACED ON SUMMARY PROBATION
FOR A PERIOD OF 003 YEARS UNDER THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS:
DEFENDANTS DRIVING PRIVILEGE TO BE SUSPENDED PURSUANT TO LAW FOR A PERIOD OF
001 YEAR.


Maybe someone can do a "Skotty" and get some footage of Second driving. Is he driving another AA vehicle?

ON 11/15/07 AT 830 AM IN WEST COVINA COURTHOUSE DEPT 009
CASE CALLED FOR RESTITUTION HEARING
PROOF OF COMPLETION OF 115 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE IS
RECEIVED AND FILED. DEFENDANT HAS 365 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE
OUTSTANDING . .
MATTER ALSO ON CALENDAR THIS DATE FOR RESTITUTION HEARING.
DEFENDANT STIPULATES TO RESTITUTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $10,464.39.
SAID AMOUNT TO BE PAID TO THE VICTIM'S FAMILY.


Is that allll!!!?!?!? Even still, they probably had the Church pay it!

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Unknown said...

Second is driving?

I'm sure Judge Martinez would like to see a video of that. Skotty, do you have any friends in San Fernando?

SLJ said...

Yes Prado needs to resign, his conduct is unbecoming of that of a Bishop.
Come to think about the whole dishonorable Bunch need to resign.
If Little Jr has been using the plane card, there is no more shame.
Thats just the tip of the iceberg. I wonder what Eddie and Sammy expense account looks like?
Box seats?
Its beginning to stink real abd in Ratsville.

Unknown said...

to Henry:

any update on the Barrientos case?

Unknown said...

Jesse:

I'm waiting for an update from my sources.

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