Saturday, October 27, 2007

Bankrupt

The subtitle might as well read "The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of the Apostolic Assembly"

Who knew that a blog such as this would expose supposed wrong doing by so many men and women, young and old on both sides or on no side of the current AA situation.

In our age of instantaneous information available to all, accountability will be demanded. The old, smelly, stale carpet in our house has been removed and replaced with transparent glass thereby removing the opportunity for hidden agendas, intentions and actions to swept under the rug. On this new surface we will be able to see all the fingerprints, smears, smudges, mud and dirt. That is a good thing because they kinds of items can be easily cleaned, addressed as soon as they appear.

It almost hurts to read all the things hurled out about brothers I've held in high regard. It seems that as soon as a name comes it is like they are the object of a pie throwing contest in a county fair, including the dead including the recently deceased.

At the most very basic level the fault of the AA has that we have been taught not to question authority in any manner. The AA body has been taught to almost deify the man behind the pulpit or sitting in the big chair on the platform. We've been taught to roll out the red carpet, kiss their ring finger and believe that this person holds absolute authority. The ignorance of our forefathers treated leaders as though they where the high priests. As far as I know there is only one high priest.

As the newer generation moves into their own, we must realize they've been taught through higher learning institutions how to think critically: Question authority.

"Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action". http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/definingCT.shtml

Unfortunately, our under-educated pastors and ministers are still of the mentality that we must believe and act according to what the man behind the pulpits dictates. Why? Because if he is behind the pulpit it must be the truth. There really is no logic in this type of thinking, even though this is the mentality that rules the ignorant masses. Fortunately hermanos, we are no longer part of that ignorant mass.

And our leaders played us because of our ignorance, we've been lied to, cheated, talked about mis-treated (anyone recognize this song). We've had dogma shoved down our throats with no biblical validity but "if you don't do what the pastor says, you are disobedient and rebellious".

Pastors/ministers/bishops/leaders, do me favor and stop preaching about the way I look on the outside. You are filled with sin, filth and deceit on the inside. Don't worry about sisters wearing pants, they are not going to hell because of it. There is absolutely no biblical validity to this! God does not love a pant wearer any less then a non-pant wearer. Don't preach to me about wearing jewelry, there to is no biblical validity to this either. I can use the same argument about watches and broaches, it is just stupid! The veil...let's not even go there.

We are saved by God's Grace not by what you think I should look like. It's funny how you think you can make God love someone more because of the way YOU want them to look.

In reality what you are doing is exactly what you've been doing - living a double standard and causing those in your congregations to live with double standards.

I teach my children to behave the same way when they are with me and when they are not with me. I teach them not to hide from me, I teach them that, I, as there father am not perfect and will make mistakes. And when I do make mistakes I will need their help and support. I teach them that they will make mistakes and they do not need to hide those mistakes from me because I will be there for them and not for the purpose of knocking them down. I teach my children that you are going to make mistakes, be selfish in your decision making and guidance (I do this because of your past history of looking out for your best interest and not mine) and not accurately apply God's word. I teach them it is their responsibility to take what you spoken and verify its validity with God's word - ...study to show thyself approved.

When you get behind the pulpit this coming Sunday, please remember, I am probably more educated than you, I probably make more money than you. I've spent countless hours studying God's word, studying for my degrees and analyzing financial and legal documents for real world business decisions. In my career I am compensated by helping other individuals and corporations make short and long term business projections. The bottom line is, I can see a grift coming from a mile away. (If you notice sometimes I wear my boots on Sunday.)

Spare me the dogma, God saved us by his grace, fortunately not your ignorance. It is because of your past decisions we have come to an intellectual and moral bankruptcy in our beloved organization.

We must reorganize and refocus our efforts in teaching God's grace, not Apostolic Assembly dogma.

Dios les pague

ApostolicVoice
Blogmaster

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Anonymous said...

to 11:18- look at the list of Bishops in our assembly- I'd venture to say than maybe 4-7 of them have successful churches- most have these small 'mission' like churches that have not grown. These pastors response to their congregations when put on the spot is just . . .'because I'm the Pastor.'-- they have nothing else to stand on when questioned.

Anonymous said...

No more veils, what about the pant rule?

Anonymous said...

What is happening is very sad. It is something we all should learn from for years we have been to proud and arrogant.
When ministers first priorty is to serve not to be served. Pastors leaders all fall under this same category. It is sad because this is what we have been taught to everyone of us. This is what the word of God has shown. It is time as a church that we realize no matter how great or not we all serve each other. If no one ever realizes this one concept things will never change. High officials need to know that that they are here to serve. Even Jesus came to teach us this lesson. HE gaiined respect by others by serving them. You do not automatically gain respect because you have a new title you gain respect by serving your congregations. They are what matter too many people have forgotten this issue.
IT is very sad God help us all.

Anonymous said...

A pastor with no vision + a church with no money + dwindling membership + lack of preaching skills and teaching skills= a dead church.

I know a pastor who has no ministers because according to him, he needs no help. However, when he's preaching- people get up and leave or they're asleep.

But you know what? it's the members' fault. they've been there for 50 years in love with a building and refuse to leave, yet they stay and all they do is complain. If they left- these mediocre pastors would have no flock to 'pastor'.

Anonymous said...

Personally- I can live without the pant rule- I'm not shaped for them!! :)

Anonymous said...

The problem with new elections and even new faces is that we will get the same results over time. There needs to be a separation of governing and administrative positions. An Executive and Administrative Board. I prefer they higher administrative people to handle administrative positions and enough with half of the staff being from one church. Hire quality people with experience and pay them to do the job like PROPER accounting and reporting.

And how about moving the HQ more central. Remember, do things like you always have and expect something different is insanity. If you want something you have never had, then do things you have never done.

Anonymous said...

As a pastor son I know that is not true. We change many of the faces on a local level. Even with our youth. We had like the same four people on our board four like two years they never did anything. They where all about respect and you need to respect them. The after that in came in three new faces and the youth group florished. So sometimes new faces does help because it breaks old concepts.

Anonymous said...

Many excellent comments, and also doctrinal items that NEED to be addressed. This is good! However, lets take one step at a time. I agree that we need some old experience on the GB, but unfortunatelly, many of the old timers have also been scurred! The ONLY way to keep men of integrity in office, old and new, is to have full accountability of their business. By that I mean, to post or present an annual report, with ALL the income and expenses to the membership. This includes their personal salaries and expenses. If everything is done correctly, there is no need to hide anything. I personally make available our church books to any of our members who faithfully and consistently tithe. They can even see my tithing. Keep in mind that hardly anybody questions our finances, because they know they are available for scrutiny. We also have an outside CPA audit our books every year. The key is TRUST! develop that with the people, and they will serve, and follow the Lord anywhere! So let's set up a system of accountability that is proper and open to avoid even the appearance of evil.

APWC

Anonymous said...

Out with Sam-Chez!

Elect IDCN's own Pastor David Jimenez!

Sam Jimenez can run Flor Azul

Tabetha Jimenez can be National MOP President

Abel Jimenez can be National Praise Team Director

Anonymous said...

Before the AA can better themselves and hope for a brighter future, it needs to get back to the basic doctrines of the Bible.

The AA has substituted the death, burial and resurrection of Christ with earthly ideals and man-centered standards. The AA constitution is the AA's backup book for subjects that the Bible says nothing about.

Christ said, "I am THE way..." the AA has disregarded Christ's declaration and created a second path to salvation. The AA's distorted view of the constitution changes Christ's declaration to "I am one of the ways." This is why the AA is falling apart, it is traveling on one of the so-called "ways" rather than "THE" way.

Nothing will ever change unless the AA becomes a Biblically sound organization once again.

Anonymous said...

To 11:48 AM
Please make sure you are comparing apples to apples. I too have been/am a pastors son as well as worked at some capacity in the local, sector, district and national level. You have to make sure that you are comparing apples with apples. A local youth board compared to an international non-profit corporation with $1 million+ budget is not a good comparison. The truth is that the organizational system is flawed, and what we are seeing is a result of the systemic problems we are having. Respect comes only after TRUST. Trust has been lost and as previously posted, is very difficult to regain.

Anonymous said...

Bishop Bernardo Iglesias
Bishop Celestino Guzman
Bishop Joe Mendoza
Bishop David Tobar
Bishop Abel Torres
Bishops with growing churches, the rest God have mercy.

Anonymous said...

I can be trusted.

Regards,

Bishop Eddie Pacheco

PS Anyone want to buy a car at a big discount?

Anonymous said...

Joke or not, no Jimenez should be on any board- they need to stay at daddy's and grandpa's church.

The jimenez's are not well liked outside of their church. we've been down that road forever!!

However, I do like Sam being head of the FA

Anonymous said...

The only problem with bishop iglesias is this. The man is a humble man, a servant, who is very likeable. However, he personally WITNESSED many wrong, evil doings by Marrufo, and then Tafoya, and NEVER said anything, OR EXPOSED ANYTHING. Be assured that in a court of law he would have paid dearly for his silence. dO YOU WANT MEN LIKE THIS IN THE GB. If he sees wrong doing he WILL turn the other way! Rest assured though, he will give an account to God for NOT speaking against the evils committed by his co-workrs!

Anonymous said...

It has not been just a youth board. Because oh I forgot to mention I am also a Bishops son. Pastor's need to care about there congregations. I do not expect anyone to respect me just because I am a Bishop's son. We all have to learn to serve everyone. I have to earn there respect. A person does not get voted in to talking about a secular government. A person can not get the support of anyone because they gain a title. Before he gains a new title. He must start off from the bottom. Learn to love the community he or she is in. Work with them before he can gain their support so that they may gain their confidence so that the people can vote for them.
In order to gain respect we have to respect our congregations also. No one is little in our church no one is considered less than us. We all the body of Christ.

Anonymous said...

Someone should call Congressman Joe Baca of San Bernardino or Senator Diane Fienstien to have the AA included in the Senate's Investigation. Even more so since the AA, under the present leadership got active in partisan politics with Karl Rove.

Anonymous said...

I'm a pastor's kid and an x-bishop's kid- and my father has no showed favortism and preaches this- so much that people in our church don't give a rat's *** if I'm his kid or not- everything is straight across the board--

and to tell you the truth- I like it that way- because people have learned to like me or dislike me, respect me or disrespect me, FOR ME. not for whose kid I am.

Anonymous said...

to 12:07- HAAhAAahahahaa!! LOL! I'd change my last name dude- Abel stop trying to get your family's name out -- no one cares!

Anonymous said...

To both of the bishops kids - let go of each other's hair and go to school and learn how to spell instead.

You're embarrassing yourselves. Your lack of grammar and your incoherent thoughts only validate the assumption that pastor's kids have no academic sense and the security of their future rest's on inheriting pappi's church.

Go get an education, then come back and post.

Anonymous said...

to the educated non-PK- I am in my 2nd year of graduate school studying law. I have no interest in inheriting my pappi's church- i'm not even baptized- besides- when the AA allows women preachers- maybe that will spark an interest- don't be jealous because you're a nobody.

And by the way- there is no apostrophe before the 's' in rests.
Smart ass.

Anonymous said...

I find that most of the grammar and spelling errors on this blog are due to typing to fast not to lack of education. This is a blog not the SATs.

Ohhhh-- what happened? pappi screwed mammi before they got married and now he can't be a minister and you're pissed?

Anonymous said...

Hey- just 'cause your dad is a pastor and mine ain't doesn't mean I'm a nobody.

Anonymous said...

Gees! someone hates PKs!! Good luck getting to heaven with all that hate brother/sister!

Anonymous said...

to 1:14- so only educated people should be posting here? most people can't spell right when they're typing fast. By the way, you mispelled rests.

About 98% of this blog is mispelled- including the entries from the blogmaster!!! AND he's educated!!!

der!

Anonymous said...

Let go of each others hair? that makes no sense at all. You're embarrassing yourself. Your lack of grammar and your incoherent thoughts only validate the assumption that you have no academic sense and the security of your future rest's on working at McDonalds.

If your single- this explains your hostility and generalization of others- if you're married- your wife's not doing her job!

Anonymous said...

Yeah I do need to use word that is for sure. To spellcheck lol. Your right I do need to use spell check. Funny that is not even my first name lol

Anonymous said...

Pues mira que cute! Todos estan enojados! Amor! Gente! Amor!

Anonymous said...

Bring back Nu-Vision!

Anonymous said...

They can't help what their father's do anymore than you can help what yours does. Grow up.

Anonymous said...

1:48 What the???? You make no sense. Mind working too fast for your fingers to catch up to?

Anonymous said...

Ay, calmados! I was in the mood to ruffle someone's feathers. Nice to see everyone is alive and well and ready for a good old fashioned fist fight. I even got some mild cursing out of it - nice.

Should we go for round 2?

Anonymous said...

Anyway, back at the ranch . . .

Did anyone attend Covahooche's recording this past weekend?

Anonymous said...

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!

Round two! Here comes Covahooch with the skimpy outfit and the number 2 sign walking around the ring!

Everyone back to their corners!!

Anonymous said...

You weren't trying to ruffle anyone's feathers- you were just being a jerk. Pretty sad because I bet you have friends who are PKs.

Anonymous said...

Hay ya! Aplacense todos! Now back to the main reason we are here . . . has anyone heard anything else on the lawsuit being served?

Anonymous said...

God Bless you. Moving to another blog!
APWC

Anonymous said...

She is a lawyer pk. You will never win. Rest my case.

Anonymous said...

Can you feel the love... Also,
1:39 PM
do you want us to admire the fact that you haven't given yourself entirely to the Lord? Good luck with your second year of law school but that wont open the gates of heaven for you.

Anonymous said...

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." Proverbs 17:28

Anonymous said...

I missed so much love in here in the last couple of minutes.
I probably should not have joked about using word lol.

Anonymous said...

To the female, PK/law-student:

So the only way Christianity would spark interest in you is if the AA allows women preachers? Very interesting, your mentality is a mirror image of the mentality that has corrupted the AA.

I would love to hear some more woman preachers. But only women whose interest in Christ is sparked by his grace and not sparked by the pulpit.

Anonymous said...

The anger is blowing in the wind.

Anonymous said...

Yep my mind tends to over think what my hands are trying to say.
I was only agreeing with what the people above me were saying. I need to watch out on my grammer. m

Anonymous said...

2:05 and I assume that all of you trashing your pastors and leaders, airing out you dirty laundry, being judgmental and accusing the whole lot of everything but murder-oh wait- you guys did (Nava)- will get the doors of heaven to burst wide open for YOU. you're just as bad as I am if not worse- except you do it in Jesus Name.

Anonymous said...

Ah, I love Mexicans, or Latinos for that matter. We are so easily pushed off the edge. That's what makes us great lovers. Can we just forgive and do what we do best? Love?

Anonymous said...

You missed the point- my point being was the mentality of the AA- you only think women are good for cooking and screwing.

Anonymous said...

to 2:05 no one is asking you to admire anything about me- especially not the fact that I'm not converted. Read my entry carefully before jumping to conclusions. I made that assertion because it was assumed that I was male and that I wanted to inherit my 'pappie's' church.
You know the old addage of assume. right?

Anonymous said...

To son of a bishop:

Well, "NOT" is relative. What might NOT be a curse word to you, might be a curse word to someone else. Hence the usage of the term "mild". It reflects the middle ground between a "curse" word and "non-curse" word. It's up to you, depending on what you deem a curse word to personally determine what "ass" means to you.

Anonymous said...

high school must be out

Anonymous said...

2:27 PM
I guess this is the problem with anonymous postings, you are attributing posts to the wrong people. I was saddened by the fact that he/she had not given their life to God. Please forgive me if you though I was attributing my comments in another manner.

Anonymous said...

Hey Smart Ass:

Take the turkey out of your rear and take it as a compliment.
Happy Thanksgiving.

Anonymous said...

Hey!!! Boys-- play nice!! Turn on PBS- it's time for Barney!!

I love you, you love me, we're a happy family, . . . oh wait- we're not a happy family-- we're apostolics!

Anonymous said...

Pues mira que cute!! Que nos les dije que se aplacaran!!

Pancho!! Juanito!! van a ver cuando llege su papa!!

Anonymous said...

. . . and now there's Covahooch with the Round 3 sign . . .

Anonymous said...

Speaking of turkeys, is Valverde going to preach his famous turkey message this year? I think it would be very fitting given the current circumstances.

Gobble-gobble!

Anonymous said...

I will agree with you about attributing things to the wrong post. I did not even say anything about the curse word. I was picking up my kids. So that was not me please. Attribute that to the person that actually said it.
Thanks A Bishop's Son.
That is being attributed to how I signed this article. No that does not mean anything every one in the congregation is equal to me or even more intellegent.

Anonymous said...

aaaaaahhhhheeemmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Lawsuit anyone? Hello! I may just go to myspace- it's alot more calm!

Anonymous said...

Ayy Panchito and Juanito- ju boyss neeth to estop it.

Anonymous said...

Ay Dios Mio!! so much hostility in here! Wow- I hadn't logged on in a while- man- you guys are scary!

Anonymous said...

The high schoolers must be watching MTV . . . quick, let's get an intelligent conversation going before they return!!

What CAN we do to make sure the changes WE want get done? How can we make sure that the next GB is held accountable for their actions?

Anonymous said...

To 3:00

Public disclosure, being as transparent as possible, and better training. It's ok for the AA to send their leaders to Willow Creek - AA leaders need a bit more exposure to how Christianity really operates.

Anonymous said...

Lilly Cruz has a BIG Booty!

Anonymous said...

and a very cute face as well

mmmmmm mmmmmm mmmmmm


Enrique

Anonymous said...

she's predisposed to be huge though. Wait 'till she gets married and has kids- Norbit's girl!!!

Anonymous said...

Ayy Quique- let her get off her diet and you won't feel the same!

Anonymous said...

They're baaaack!!

Anonymous said...

I'm gonna sue Lilly Cruz! For stealing my heart.


Love Me

Anonymous said...

"Hueso Colorado" says:

This is the time when we need to see what these men are made of:

Ego, bitterness, Love of money ? Or

Modesty, Love the Lord and one to another, Humility, et?

Easy to preach it on Sunday, but hard to live it Monday thru Saturday.

Quote

Anonymous said...

to 3:39 very true....I'm babtised...been in church for a good while now, and my biggest problem is trying to live according to what I hear from the pulpit,and in accord to what the bible teaches...heck its hard enough already picking up the bible...now imagine for our pastors who preach it...must be harder to practice...

Anonymous said...

Paz de Cristo!
>
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>
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> invitacion a las personas que
> estan interesadas en formar un grupo de adultos
> solteros en sus iglesias
> locales/distritos.
>
> Se dara un reporte sobre la convencion, la pagina
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>
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>
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>
> Hna. Rita Perez [:)]
> Directora Nacional

Anonymous said...

so what does that mean? why do you guys cut'n paste long winded entries? just tell us the link and we'll go to it or something.

especially entries in espanol-

Anonymous said...

LIARS!

I JUST SPOKE TO A BISHOPS SON. HE SAID NO, THEY NOT BEEN SERVED WITH ANY LAWSUIT. I EVEN CALLED THE GENERAL OFFICES. NO, THEY WERE NOT SERVED.

WHAT A BUNCH OF REBELLIOUS LIARS.

ALL YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IS BASH GODS LEADERS. YOU NEED TO STOP IT ALREADY BECAUSE YOU RISK LOSING YOUR SALVATION. CONTINUE TO SPREAD LIES IF YOU WANT TO GO TO HELL. GO AHEAD AND CHOOSE HELL FOR ETERNITY. SPREADING LIES IS GOING TO SEND YOU STRIAGHT TO HELL.

Anonymous said...

You moron- as if calling the General Offices is going to get you the truth!

Anonymous said...

And your going to hell for being judgmental- I'll save you a spot!

Anonymous said...

Would this Bishop's son be the son of a GB member?

Anonymous said...

Oh Gees-- pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze don't start with the 'thou sayeth the lordeth'

rolling up my eyes!

Anonymous said...

to 4:34: if you don't want to be a part of the spread of lies- what the hell are you doing on this blog anyway then? don't read it- don't participate- keep living in your dream world where the GB are actually doing the will of God.

Anonymous said...

Wow- I finally got a glimpse of all the talk! this is my first time logging on. Scary place!

Anyway-- first hand information from a GB who is a close relative, as of this morning, they have not been served.

Anonymous said...

YOU ARE JUST GELOUS BECAUSE YOU ALL DON'T GET ANY ATTENTION AT HOME AND HAVE NO MINISTRY AT YOUR CHURCH. GOSSIPERS AND FORNICATORS. I KNOW WHO MOST OF YOU ARE. MY SOURCE AT THE GENERAL OFFICES SAID THEY TRACED MOST OF YOU. YOU WILL BE CONTACTED BY THE GENERAL OFFICES AND YOUR PASTORS.

Anonymous said...

Oh my gosh! I just peed! I'm laughing so hard. Dude- i'm not geoulous of anything- I may as well be yelous! It's JEALOUS!!!! Menso idiota!

They can't trace anything- what? that's supposed to scare the hibijibis out of me? ohhh-- i'm so escared!!

get ready for bed because you have to get up at the crack of dawn to go and pick your strawberries.

Menso!!! But thanks for the laugh- I needed it this late in the day.

that's almost as funny as someone suggesting a Jimenez for Bishop.

Anonymous said...

I'll be contacted by the GB and my pastor? Um-- i'm waiting- my phone is not ringing- oh I forogt- my pastor is also blogging here!!

Go back to watching your novelas.

Anonymous said...

Who is Tony Leybas?

Anonymous said...

To the pendejo who types in caps,

Do us a favor and go play in the freeway!

Anonymous said...

MOSY OF YOU ARE ALL OLD BITTER LOSERS CAUSE YOU NEVER GOT ELECTED TO THE BOARD OR TO YOUR LOCAL BOARD. JUST REMEMBER THAT THE GENEREAL OFFICES HAS A I.T. DEPARTMANET AND THEY KNOW MOST OF YOU ALREADY. YOU ARE ALL LIKE A GROUP OF 12 PEOPLE. JULIO LEAL KNOWS WHO YOU ARE. THE LIST HE SHARED IS ALL FULL OF LOSERS WHO DON'T DO NOTHING FOR YOUE MINISTRIES IN YOUR CHURCH. JUST KEEP UP WITH YOUR LIES CAUSE YOU ARE JUST DIGHGING YOURSELFS DEEPER INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. YOU MOST OF MOSTLY ALREADY ARE LOST FOREVER BECAUSE YOUR SPREADING REBELLIOUS LIES OF GELOUSY.

Anonymous said...

I know Hermano Leybas, why do you ask?

Anonymous said...

My concern is the following...lets say they did trace most of the people bloggin on this page...what are they going to do?...I mean I'm not supporting any form of rebellion or of any sort, and I will try to be as neutral as possible but the bottom line is you can not tell people how to live their lives, Preach the bible, the Christian way, and what Jesus preached...and so long as everyone is living a Godly Life... then there should be no reason at all to threaten with a call.... what are we not entitled to our own opinion...

So my question is this.... what will a phone call do, what will contacting my pastor accomplish??....am I going to stop reading bloggs and expressing my opinion because my pastor said I shouldn't... of course not!...

Anonymous said...

The headquarters has a IT department? Wow, I didnt know they were handling supercomputers over there. I wonder what they do? Lets see, update a site that never gets updated with relevant info? I didnt know they were a crock pot group of investigators ready to hack into a privately held session. At least now we know that Leal has a list of names. I'll make sure to great him and let him know whom I am so he can put a picture with the name. Thanks for the info, I am sure you have lots a friends.

Anonymous said...

JUST KEEP POSTING YOUR COMMENTS. THAT'LL GIVE MORE INFO TO JULIO TO TRACE. DONT A BE SUPRISED WHEN YOU ARE PAYED THE VISIT FROM THE GENERAL OFFICES ADMINISTRATORS. YOU WILL BE RESPONABLY HELD FOR THE HATRED SPEECH YOU ARE MAKEING TO ABOUT THE MAN OF GOD. DON'T BE SUPRESED IF YOU FIND YOURSELFS BEING BANNDED FROM CONVENTION AND CONFERENCES. DONT' BE SEPRISED WHEN YOUR CUTTOFF FROM THE VINES OF FELLOWSHIP BECAUSE YOU CANT CONLTROL YOUR EMOTIONS OF HATRED. BLESSED IS THE MEN OF GOD.

Anonymous said...

Don't bother, here's my IP:

66.94.234.13

Have at it. That's of course if you know what to do with it.

Anonymous said...

OMG! Learn how to SPELL! LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

OMG Being banned from convention. I am really scared now. I guess we can all just go to Jakes and here the sermon's early lol.

Anonymous said...

What does DIGHGING mean? LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL!

Anonymous said...

"MY SOURCE AT THE GENERAL OFFICES SAID THEY TRACED MOST OF YOU. YOU WILL BE CONTACTED BY THE GENERAL OFFICES AND YOUR PASTORS."

Bring it on!!!!!!I'd love to get my hands dirty right now.

Anonymous said...

Just to let you know my dad is my pastor I have not heard anything yet. lol

Anonymous said...

Just to let you know my dad is my pastor I have not heard anything yet. lol

Anonymous said...

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah you might want to rule out the bishop factor because yep you guessed it my dad is also my bishop lol Next!!!

Anonymous said...

jajajaja....thats a funny one P.K.

Anonymous said...

"Don't bother, here's my IP:"

66.94.234.13"



I'm not the guy you were talking to just out of curiosity...and I don't mean to seel you out or anything like that...but do you live in chicago? I could get more specific but like I said thats not my intention....

Anonymous said...

ooops excuse my gramatical errors...I meant


I'm not the guy you were talking to, but just out of curiosity...and I don't mean to sell you out or anything like that...but do you live in Chicago? I could get more specific but like I said thats not my intention....

Anonymous said...

nope sorry that is to far away from where I live

Anonymous said...

are you sure thats you ip adress then??...I'm usually not far off....I even had a street name and all..but thats ok..I do make mistakes....

Anonymous said...

you know what I am sorry I did not read the top of your message. I intercepted the wrong blog sorry.
I do not know the other guy who gave out his address.
Sorry for the mistake.

Anonymous said...

Nope, not Chicago. You'll feel silly once you figure out who it belongs to.

Anonymous said...

Whether we have 8 Bishops or 27 of them, it makes no difference.

As long as we have a President like Daniel Sanchez, a low-class cholo from Calexico, who makes all the decisions for all the Bishops, anyway, you can have 1000 Bishops and it won't mean a thing.

Every Bishop is afraid of Sanchez. They run to him for every decision. If they have to move a chair or table, they call Sanchez.

If Sanchez doesn't approve, they don't do anything because if they do, he will retaliate immediately. They know better.

They live and administrate in fear of him. They talk to him, and he confuses the issue and then claims he was misunderstood, or changes the story to suit him.

How does one work with these circumstances? No, changing numbers of Bishops won't fix anything until the Top Banana is chopped down to size and held to some sort of measure.

That is why the Assembly is in this condition. This also goes for Baldemar, Salomon and Valverde, they are ALL THE SAME.

They rule with fear, threats and shunning. If the Bishop, Elder, Pastor, member, even a child does not dance to the beat of the drum, he/she is blackballed and shunned. You all know what I am talking about.

They have no love of God. Nothing will change until you take all THAT POWER OFF THE TOP.

Andin the name of Jesus, they will be taken down.

Anonymous said...

LIKE I SAID, I SPOKED TO JULIO LEAL, AND HE HAS A LIST OF ALL YOU PEOPLE WHATS BEEN TALKING LIES ABOUT THE MEN OF GOD. JUST TO GIVE YOU HATRED SPEAKERS OF REBELLION A SAMPLE OF WHERE YOU ARE FROM. LA DISTRTICT, IDCN, ELA DISTRICT, NORTHERN, AZ, SOUTHERM, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

HERE ARE SOME OF YOUR INITIALS, AM, DS, PN, GA, EA, EG, TV, PLE, QR, RR, DH, IH, JL, GBM, AA, MV, AV, AA, CHD.

LIKE HE SAID, HE TRACED ALL OF YOU AND HE NOT NO DONE YET.

YOU MOCK BEING BANNED OF THE CONVENTION BUT THAT ONLY TELLS OF YOUR DISTATST OF THE APOSTOLIC DOCTRINE. JUST LEAVE US ALREADTY AND GO TO YOUR TRINITORIAN CHURCHS WHAT HAS NOT NO STANDREDS.

Anonymous said...

oh so you gave the wrong IP then?

Anonymous said...

Well, that's for you to figure out.

Anonymous said...

I could do the same...and just start naming out districts....I'm not saying that you'r lying or anything I'm just saying that with bloggs nothing ca be held to much credibility...I mean come on everyone here states anonymouse for some reason right?....anyways wouldn't it be more effective, for you cause anyways to say a few of those nameS?...no that I want to know or anything like that...I personally know a few already but just, like I said in support of your case...

Anonymous said...

So, let me get this straight, Julio Leal admitted to you that he broke the law and illegally hacked into a private web site using Apostolic Assembly Inc. equipment? Further, he did it for the sole purpose of retribution, another illegal act under California incorporation law.

Will you pleeeeease re-post this again, just to clarify?

Anonymous said...

yeah you must have given me the wrong IP....Cuz I tracked it down to chicago...to a structure on the corner of South Wolcott avenue and Roosevelt Rd.....looks like a large building of some sort....a church perhaps??

Anonymous said...

To 9:58

Are you related to the blessed men of God? Sanchez? Valverde?

What makes you think that you control the attendance at the Convention?

What makes you think that anyone fears hearing from the General Office.

They have enough problems trying to keep those big salaries.

They are not interested in the truth anyway.

Keep on making those threats. They are funny--especially the spelling.

Anonymous said...

Who is Julio Leal? And if you know him, will you please ask him to review these comments and confirm or deny these allegations. IF these allegations are true, this is a major break for those that are suing the assembly.

Thanks for the info. "ALL CAPITAL GUY"

As it stands right now, the AA and Mr. Leal are accused of using AA resources to illegally hack a private web site for the sole purpose of seeking out dissenters for retelliation.

Anonymous said...

The threats are fake! There are posted just to get you going, that's all!

Anonymous said...

To 10:04 PM,
You're actually having a conversation to the menso typing in caps? He's full of crap!

I work for a network security firm, I know how these things work. They can't trace where these posts are coming from.

That IP address that anonymous posted... well that IP address belongs to yahoo.com, it's not a personal IP. And it's based out of San Jose not CHICAGO:

Name: yahoo.com
Address: 66.94.234.13


traceroute 66.94.234.13
traceroute to 66.94.234.13 (66.94.234.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets



1 * * *
2 ge-2-1-ur01.santaclara.ca.sfba.net (68.87.198.105) 22.177 ms * *
3 te0-7-0-0-ar01.sfsutro.ca.sfba.net (68.86.90.154) 22.684 ms 23.294 ms 23.924 ms
4 edge1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.79.43.138) 29.221 ms 29.965 ms 30.442 ms
5 xe-11-0-0.edge1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.79.43.137) 27.548 ms 45.403 ms 46.008 ms
6 ae-33-89.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.133) 46.630 ms ae-13-69.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.5) 17.756 ms ae-33-89.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.133) 19.888 ms
7 4.71.112.14 (4.71.112.14) 21.902 ms 21.182 ms 20.468 ms
8 ge-3-0-0-p261.msr1.scd.yahoo.com (216.115.106.187) 27.994 ms ge-4-0-0-p471.msr2.scd.yahoo.com (216.115.106.215) 28.598 ms 29.244 ms
9 ten-2-3-bas2.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.82.223) 20.534 ms 19.289 ms ten-1-3-bas2.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.82.219) 25.533 ms


It's a public IP that is advertised to the general public.

I've gone to the general offices and helped Julio Leal before, he doesn't know crap.

Anonymous said...

I know, I know, I was just messing with the "ALL CAPITALS."

I wanted to see how he would respond.

Actually, I would like to see how Leal would respond.

Anonymous said...

BINGO!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Actually yes....now that I think about it, the only way that you can actually attain a clue of exactly where every blogger is located is through their IP address. Now my understanding is that these bloggs are untraceable to the common blogger, and the IP address would only be available to the blogmaster in the case that he requested it so, for visitor profiling purposes. In other words only the blog master would be the one to have any shot at acquiring our IP's. Now clearly neither you nor leal are the blogmasters, so you must have, as one previous blogger said...

"Illegally hacked into the website"... you have no business, doing that, this in fact is an invasion of privacy and a forced entry on your behalf to obtain information that does not pertain to you.

Illegal is the key word in all of this....

Anonymous said...

Security Guy, is there a way to find out if GBs are visiting the blog?

Anonymous said...

And even with an IP address, they're only numbers, such as:

192.168.0.1

They say nothing about any one individual's place of residency, location, or computer.


You would have to be the FBI/CIA/Law Enforcement with a court order to trace the IP address to an individual's computer. So no, the blogmaster does not know and can't know who is posting and neither can Julio Leal.

Anonymous said...

Hey Bloggers....

Menso and Julio Leal got us off the track by using scare tatics.
once again.

Don't let it work. We were talking about the GB, the Bishops and power and control.

I still believe that no amount-large or small of Bishops is going to change anything.

Only taking away the absolute power and control that the President has now will do that.

Any other suggestions?

Anonymous said...

So ALL CAPITALS is as stupid as he sounds? Either he did do it and told shared this information, then ALL CAPITALS is an idiot for confessing to a crime in front of all these hyped-anti-GB bloggers.

Or, the other option is ALL CAPITALS made up the story and slandered his friend by making these false statement that he broke the law.

Poor guy.

To think he just thought he had a really, really good idea to scare all those bad bloggers. Now, all he's done has incriminted Mr. Leal, or slandered him by majing false statements that he broke the law.


Hey, blogmaster, you should request all the IPs in the 3 hours and trace ALL CAPITALS down. He looks like he may be a star witness in the lawsuit againts the GB

Anonymous said...

To 10:19...

Are you sure?....Because I'm pretty sure its yahoo corporation in Chicago....anyways... There was a pretty interesting case about anonymous bloggers trying to be held accountable for their posts....to "all caps" judge didn't care, he said it was no different than a bunch of guys chatting their opinions over some beer at a bar.

Anonymous said...

Well, the Bishop standards aren't all that great.

I know of one who had an affair, they put the woman out of communion and he is still Bishop and continues to Pastor.

Do you know of any others.
I have his name if you must have it.

Anonymous said...

To 10:34 PM,
yes I am sure. Learn the nslookup command. It will resolve ip to domain name or domain name to ip.

Anonymous said...

Sorry for all the errors on previous post:

So ALL CAPITALS is as stupid as he sounds? Either Mr. Leal did do it and shared this information with ALL CAPITALS. In this case Mr. Leal is an idiot for confessing to a crime to someone who would then come on here and share this info with all these hyped-anti-GB bloggers.

Or, the other option is ALL CAPITALS made up the story and slandered his friend by making this false statement.

Poor guy.

To think, he just thought he had a really, really good idea to scare all those bad bloggers. Now, all he's done has incriminated Mr. Leal, or slandered him by making false statements that he broke the law.

Anonymous said...

TO 10:36 PM
I must have his name. Please do tell...

Anonymous said...

jajajajaja.....hey everyone I just found out julio leal is the "Accounts Payable" department...nothing even close to networks.... Anyways like the other guy said he probably doesn't even know about this, and "all caps" is getting poor julio involved in all this mess...anyways just though I'd share that with you...gave a small before bet time laugh....

Anonymous said...

thanks 10:38
I'll check that out...

Anonymous said...

YOU HATERS OF THE MEN OF GOD, YES, THAT MEAN YOU LIARS. WHAT BUNCH OF TARTEDS YOU ARE. THERE IS WAYS OF TRACING WHO ARE YOU WITH OUT BREAKING LAWS. YOU LIARS ARE ALL TARDED. THERE WAS WAYS TO TRACE WHAT WE LEAREND ON THE INTERNET CLASS. JULIO KNOWS PRETTY GOOD HOW TO TO IT BECAUSE ITS LIKE A PUBLIC SIGNAL THATS EASILY TRACED IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT, STUFF YOU COULD GET AT RADIOSHACK OR EVEN FRYS. YOU OLD TIMERS NEEDS TO GET TO A MINIMAL TARDED CLASS OF INTERNET COURSES TO LEANR THE BASICS. YOU NO NOT NEED TO BE BILL GATES TO KNOW ITS BASIC STUFF AND PUBLIC AND FREE. YOUR PASTORS IS GOING TO KNOW AND YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE GENERAL OFFICES AND LETS SEE WHO STAYS AT THE HOME FOR THE CONVENTIONS BECAUSE YOU WILL BE ON THE CONVENTION BANNED LISTS.

Anonymous said...

A few years ago, Mario Rodriguez was accused of having an affair with a woman from the church he pastored. The woman was excommunicated and he was rewarded by being re-elected Bishop.

This is how Sanchez CID works. He now holds power and control over this Bishop.

And that is how it goes in the AA, the woman gets taken out and the man gets rewarded.

Anonymous said...

10:46
How about giving us some names...of the ones that you say are bloggin? I wont mind if you reveal mine....so long as I’m not the only one....besides what’s wrong with freedom of expression....we're not in no middle eastern country come on man, please we're in America...Is the general board going to ostracize us for publishing our opinions....who said we were not allowed to discuss topics of importance to us??? we'd be ignorant not to do so...

Anonymous said...

Ok, Mr ALL CAPITALS this just keeps getting better.

Ok, if you are a friend of Mr. Leal, then this does not say much for Mr. Leal who is in charge of the AA accounts payable. If he confides in people like you that will come on a blog like this and spill the bean on the AA having a plan of retaliation is hilarious and shows why we’re in the mess we’re in over the election. If someone like you actually has insider information like this, then we’re in a worse situation than I thought.

Ok, let's say that Mr. Leal could has the skills to do what the CIA and BBI does, then the idea of retaliation is still breaking the law.

I’ve emailed Mr. Leal the transcript of this blog to ask him how he feels about a friend THAT TYPES IN ALL CAPITALS would incriminate him in some very serious crimes.

Anonymous said...

JULIO HAVE THE SKILLS. YOU JUST GELOUS THAT HE KNOW HOW USE THE STUFF WHAT IS SOLD AT BEST BUY. YOU DON'T SCARE ME WHAT YOUR THREATS. I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. WE MAKE SURE YOU NOT GET TICKETS FOR CONVENTION AND YOU IS PUT ON PREBA AND NOT YOU GO TO NEXT YOUTH CAMP AND MAKE SURE YOU NOT PLAY DRUMS ANYMORE YOU MOTARDED MUCISCIAN WHAT CANT EVEN PLAY DRUMS GOOD NOWAYS.

Anonymous said...

Clearly Mr ALLCAPS is just trying to rile people up and probably getting a huge kick out of it.

As you all laugh at his spelling it gradually gets worse.

His first post had an error or two in spelling and his last post was just intentionally mispelled and retarded.

At least it was good for a laugh

Anonymous said...

OMG Mr. ALL CAPS needs HELP! Please STOP posting! You're KILLING ME! LOL, LOL, LOL!!!

Anonymous said...

TO ALL CAPS:

Mira Pedro: I already told you- this is for ADULTS.

Dude- you are a 'friggin idiot!! You're good for a laugh though. I take it you barely watched Mission Impossible!

Let me see- I think I have you pegged-- you're probably around 15-17- have an oily face with a ton of blackheads, you wear white cotton socks with your church shoes, and still wear those old square 80's ties. Oh, oh, and you love the tundi- tundis! Um, you haven't had a girlfriend, but you set your eyes on someone who's out of your league and she rejected you. Not only did she rejected, she embarrased you in front of your friend Napolean.

Um let's see- Julio Leal doesn't even know you- you said 'God Bless You' to him and he smiled at you and now you think he's your friend.

Oh and by the way- with this lawsuit- they have bigger fish to fry than to worry about who's saying what. My family gives big money in offerings at conventions- belieeeeve meeee, we won't be banned any time soon.

Besides- they'll NEVER ban anyone from conventions- they need the money.

estas pero bien pendejo! you're too funny!

Anonymous said...

YOU TARDEDS! THE GB KNOW WHO YOU ALL ARE! YOU SINNERS!! YOUR ALL GOIN TO HELL AND WILL FRI!!! THESE ARE GODS MEN AND YOU WILL PAY FOR THESE LIES! BISHOP PACHECO IS LOOKIN INTO THESE AS WE SPEEK!! DONT A BE SUPRISED WHEN YOU ARE PAYED THE VISIT FROM THE GENERAL OFFICES ADMINISTRATORS.

Anonymous said...

ME AND JULIO ALREADY TRACED ALL OF YOU!! YOUR IN TROUBLE! START PRAYING YOU PACK OF SINNERS!

Anonymous said...

"THERE WAS WAYS TO TRACE WHAT WE LEAREND ON THE INTERNET CLASS. JULIO KNOWS PRETTY GOOD HOW TO TO IT BECAUSE ITS LIKE A PUBLIC SIGNAL THATS EASILY TRACED IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT, STUFF YOU COULD GET AT RADIOSHACK OR EVEN FRYS."

Sorry Panchito-- ROP internet classes don't count as classes!! You're hilarious!

Keep posting!! I need more laughs today!! Ever think of doing stand up??

Anonymous said...

On another note Marc Payan is a jerk.

Who does he think he is giving seminars on relationships ?

He has been a jerk to many people.

Why doesnt he learn how to treat people with the love of God before trying to teach anyone anything.

An Education means nothing if you dont put what you have learned into practice.

Anonymous said...

Yes we give big money at every convention!!!!! We pay for the registration, pay for the hotel room that they give us the rate for so they can have their convention at a cheaper rate, and we give a whole $1.00 come offering time. Sometimes, we ask for $.50 back though. So yes, we're BIG BALLERS at convention.

Anonymous said...

When was Marc Payan giving seminars? Where? At his church- CT?

Anonymous said...

Hey Chunti:

JU YUS YELUS CUS JU CANT AFOR THE $1.00 FOR OFFRING!

JU GOIN 2 HEL.

Anonymous said...

To ALL CAPS:

Keep posting- I need a good laugh this early in the morning!!

Skip your friend Julio Leal though, try the sales guy who needs braces now.

Anonymous said...

Actually- we're all a big bola de pendejos for allowing the GB get as far as they have. EVEN YOU ALL CAPS.

Anonymous said...

What Satan Doesn't Want You To Know


The hourglass is nearly empty. The Great Tribulation has begun and Armageddon looms in the very near future. There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. (2) A Good Heart Condition.

We urge those who wish to obtain Eternal Life in Christ's Kingdom to read the following very important message. We don?t aim to twist arms or convince anyone of anything they aren?t ready or willing to believe as their hearts will ultimately dictate what they perceive to be truth. However, it is also our responsibility to warn those who do not accept this Truth, will face Judgment at Armageddon. For this reason we pray that the eyes and hearts of all who read our message are opened to the Truth whether that is now, or in the near future when our words come to pass.

The Kingdom Message of Salvation is the Truth and validity of the Bible as a whole. As ministers with the Light of Life Ministry, we are doing as we are commanded within the Scriptures. Because we have been enlightened to the Truth, we have a heavy responsibility to pursue our Ministries. 1 Corinthians 9:16 warns of the necessity and woe to those that do not declare the Good News.

"For if I preach the gospel, I have no reason to boast, because an obligation is placed on me. And woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!"

This is because once we have acquired Wisdom about the Truth, it is our duty to spread the message as far as we can over all of creation. If we fail to warn others, the Creator holds us accountable. To walk away is to be overshadowed with negativity. Ezekiel 3:17-18 gives insight on this.

"Son of man, I have made you a watchman over the house of Israel. When you hear a word from My mouth, give them a warning from Me. If I say to the wicked person: You will surely die, but you do not warn him?you don't speak out to warn him about his wicked way in order to save his life?that wicked person will die for his iniquity. Yet I will hold you responsible for his blood.?

OUR MESSAGE OF TRUTH

The main theme of our Message of Truth is that those who wish to have eternal life must declare Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior. This must be done in order to be one with His coming Kingdom.

We realize that many will challenge our faith and the faith of others who also declare Jesus to be Lord. They will say that we must meet certain requirements of water baptism, a belief in the Trinity and other man-made religious ideals. If those people have the right heart condition, they will see the Light. If not, they will remain opposed to what is ministered to them. That is their Free Will choice. Even if they claim to be foot-step followers of Christ, they will be deemed not worthy of Salvation unless they exhibit the Holy Spirit from within them. If they believe falsehoods about Christ, cling to their man-made religious belief systems and reject the truth will be marked accordingly by the Cherubic Order of Angels. All people are judged by what is really in their hearts.

As part of our Ministry to those that oppose the Truth, we point out that a humble heart is the only thing that saves anyone. Without it, you are endowed with negativity. What your heart is filled with is what springs forth with abundance from the mouth. Luke 6:45 is clear on this point:

?A good man produces good out of the good storeroom of his heart. An evil man produces evil out of the evil storeroom, for his mouth speaks from the overflow of the heart.?

Proverbs 4:23 is clear on the need to safeguard your heart against the wickedness of negativity being stored there:

?Guard your heart above all else, for it is the source of life.?

By knowing and understanding the Truth of the Word, you treasure up within your hearts what guides you (the Holy Spirit) so that you do not sin knowingly against Christ or his Father.

?I have treasured Your word in my heart so that I may not sin against You.? Psalms 119:11.

The problem with sin is that it cultivates negativity. From the mind where it begins or originates, it creeps down into your heart. Then you're in trouble. That's why it's not a sin to think a bad thought, if you dismiss it. You did not act on it. Therefore, it is not a sin. But if you dwell on the wrong thought, it will creep on down into your heart and become a part of you. So, above all else, safeguard your hearts.

ALL WHO OPEN THEIR HEARTS TO CHRIST ARE ACCEPTABLE

People of all nationalities, regardless of race, color or religion are open to the Salvation of Christ.

?Then I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having the eternal gospel to announce to the inhabitants of the earth?to every nation, tribe, language, and people.? Revelation 14:6.

?Hear this, all you peoples; listen, all who inhabit the world, both low and high, rich and poor together.? Psalms 49:1-2.

?Then Peter began to speak: "In truth, I understand that God doesn't show favoritism, but in every nation the person who fears Him and does righteousness is acceptable to Him.? Acts 10:34-35.

REMEMBER - IT'S A FREE WILL CHOICE

Everyone has Free Will Choice in the decision and are able to choose one way or the other. That's why we will not try to force the Truth on to anyone.

?I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live, love the LORD your God, obey Him, and remain faithful to Him. For He is your life, and He will prolong your life in the land the LORD swore to give to your fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.? Deuteronomy 30:19-20

?But if it doesn't please you to worship the LORD, choose for yourselves today the one you will worship: the gods your fathers worshiped beyond the Euphrates River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living. As for me and my family, we will worship the LORD.? Joshua 24:15

?If you carefully obey My commands I am giving you today, to love the LORD your God and worship Him with all your heart and all your soul, I will provide rain for your land in season, the early and late rains, and you will harvest your grain, new wine, and oil. I will provide grass in your fields for your livestock. You will eat and be satisfied. Be careful that you are not enticed to turn aside, worship, and bow down to other gods. Then the LORD's anger will burn against you. He will close the sky, and there will be no rain; the land will not yield its produce, and you will perish quickly from the good land the LORD is giving you.? Deuteronomy 11:13-17

?This is how we are sure that we have come to know Him: by keeping His commands.? 1 John 2:3

SALVATION - KINGDOM MESSAGE COMPLETED

Now, either you will accept or reject the Truth we have ministered to you. Since everyone should come to understand that actions result in consequences, we deliver the following warning. If you decide to refuse the truth, then you will know what is ahead--even if you reject that also, at this time. Later on, you will see our words come to life. If you accept the Truth now but are later tempted to cultivate negativity within your heart, then the warning we share might help to prevent that from happening.

YAHWEH'S BITTER-SWEET WARNING TO ALL PEOPLE OF THE EARTH

He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life. He that disobeys the Son will not see life. The Wrath of God remains upon him.

?The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.? John 3:36

Once you have been given the Message of Truth, if you do not obey it you are exercising your Free Will choice. However, it will result in eternal death at the Judgment. Just as Satan and his angels cannot have free reign in creation - neither will it be permitted of those that exercise that choice. Your fate is upon your own head.

?Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of everyone's blood, for I did not shrink back from declaring to you the whole plan of God.? Acts 20:26-27

The above scripture reveals we will be clean from the blood of those who make the wrong choice. If you are so cultivated with negativity that you hear and know that what we speak is Truth and you continue to sin willfully by rejecting that Truth, then you will lose the Sacrificial Hope of Salvation. Time will eventually run out. Armageddon is the final Judgment Chapter.

?For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins? Hebrews 10:26

"to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor, and the day of our God's vengeance..." Isaiah 61:2

"The tumult reaches to the ends of the earth because the LORD brings a case against the nations. He enters into judgment with all flesh. As for the wicked, He hands them over to the sword [This is] the LORD's declaration." Jeremiah 25:31

"I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every careless word they speak." Matthew 12:36

"When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood." Ezekiel 33:8

WHO WE MINISTER TO AND SANCTIFICATON OF THE CREATOR'S NAME

This GOOD NEWS of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth and bear witness to all the nations. The nations will be made to know Yahweh. His Name must be sanctified before the nations.

?I will honor the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations?the name you have profaned among them. The nations will know that I am Yahweh"?the declaration of the Lord GOD ?"when I demonstrate My holiness through you in their sight.? Ezekiel 36:23

?So I will make My holy name known among My people Israel and will no longer allow it to be profaned. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.? Ezekiel 39:7

ARE THERE ANY FREE RIDES TO ETERNAL BLISS?

Anyone that believes they can get a free ride through eternity without going through Christ, please read:

?There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.? Acts 4:12

Once you have received the Truth, you are under obligation by the Creator.

?Wisdom is supreme?so get wisdom. And whatever else you get, get understanding.? Proverbs 4:7


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Anonymous said...

What Satan Doesn't Want You To Know

The hourglass is nearly empty. The Great Tribulation has begun and Armageddon looms in the very near future. There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. (2) A Good Heart Condition.

We urge those who wish to obtain Eternal Life in Christ's Kingdom to read the following very important message. We don?t aim to twist arms or convince anyone of anything they aren?t ready or willing to believe as their hearts will ultimately dictate what they perceive to be truth. However, it is also our responsibility to warn those who do not accept this Truth, will face Judgment at Armageddon. For this reason we pray that the eyes and hearts of all who read our message are opened to the Truth whether that is now, or in the near future when our words come to pass.

The Kingdom Message of Salvation is the Truth and validity of the Bible as a whole. As ministers with the Light of Life Ministry, we are doing as we are commanded within the Scriptures. Because we have been enlightened to the Truth, we have a heavy responsibility to pursue our Ministries. 1 Corinthians 9:16 warns of the necessity and woe to those that do not declare the Good News.

"For if I preach the gospel, I have no reason to boast, because an obligation is placed on me. And woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!"

This is because once we have acquired Wisdom about the Truth, it is our duty to spread the message as far as we can over all of creation. If we fail to warn others, the Creator holds us accountable. To walk away is to be overshadowed with negativity. Ezekiel 3:17-18 gives insight on this.

"Son of man, I have made you a watchman over the house of Israel. When you hear a word from My mouth, give them a warning from Me. If I say to the wicked person: You will surely die, but you do not warn him?you don't speak out to warn him about his wicked way in order to save his life?that wicked person will die for his iniquity. Yet I will hold you responsible for his blood.?

OUR MESSAGE OF TRUTH

The main theme of our Message of Truth is that those who wish to have eternal life must declare Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior. This must be done in order to be one with His coming Kingdom.

We realize that many will challenge our faith and the faith of others who also declare Jesus to be Lord. They will say that we must meet certain requirements of water baptism, a belief in the Trinity and other man-made religious ideals. If those people have the right heart condition, they will see the Light. If not, they will remain opposed to what is ministered to them. That is their Free Will choice. Even if they claim to be foot-step followers of Christ, they will be deemed not worthy of Salvation unless they exhibit the Holy Spirit from within them. If they believe falsehoods about Christ, cling to their man-made religious belief systems and reject the truth will be marked accordingly by the Cherubic Order of Angels. All people are judged by what is really in their hearts.

As part of our Ministry to those that oppose the Truth, we point out that a humble heart is the only thing that saves anyone. Without it, you are endowed with negativity. What your heart is filled with is what springs forth with abundance from the mouth. Luke 6:45 is clear on this point:

?A good man produces good out of the good storeroom of his heart. An evil man produces evil out of the evil storeroom, for his mouth speaks from the overflow of the heart.?

Proverbs 4:23 is clear on the need to safeguard your heart against the wickedness of negativity being stored there:

?Guard your heart above all else, for it is the source of life.?

By knowing and understanding the Truth of the Word, you treasure up within your hearts what guides you (the Holy Spirit) so that you do not sin knowingly against Christ or his Father.

?I have treasured Your word in my heart so that I may not sin against You.? Psalms 119:11.

The problem with sin is that it cultivates negativity. From the mind where it begins or originates, it creeps down into your heart. Then you're in trouble. That's why it's not a sin to think a bad thought, if you dismiss it. You did not act on it. Therefore, it is not a sin. But if you dwell on the wrong thought, it will creep on down into your heart and become a part of you. So, above all else, safeguard your hearts.

ALL WHO OPEN THEIR HEARTS TO CHRIST ARE ACCEPTABLE

People of all nationalities, regardless of race, color or religion are open to the Salvation of Christ.

?Then I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having the eternal gospel to announce to the inhabitants of the earth?to every nation, tribe, language, and people.? Revelation 14:6.

?Hear this, all you peoples; listen, all who inhabit the world, both low and high, rich and poor together.? Psalms 49:1-2.

?Then Peter began to speak: "In truth, I understand that God doesn't show favoritism, but in every nation the person who fears Him and does righteousness is acceptable to Him.? Acts 10:34-35.

REMEMBER - IT'S A FREE WILL CHOICE

Everyone has Free Will Choice in the decision and are able to choose one way or the other. That's why we will not try to force the Truth on to anyone.

?I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live, love the LORD your God, obey Him, and remain faithful to Him. For He is your life, and He will prolong your life in the land the LORD swore to give to your fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.? Deuteronomy 30:19-20

?But if it doesn't please you to worship the LORD, choose for yourselves today the one you will worship: the gods your fathers worshiped beyond the Euphrates River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living. As for me and my family, we will worship the LORD.? Joshua 24:15

?If you carefully obey My commands I am giving you today, to love the LORD your God and worship Him with all your heart and all your soul, I will provide rain for your land in season, the early and late rains, and you will harvest your grain, new wine, and oil. I will provide grass in your fields for your livestock. You will eat and be satisfied. Be careful that you are not enticed to turn aside, worship, and bow down to other gods. Then the LORD's anger will burn against you. He will close the sky, and there will be no rain; the land will not yield its produce, and you will perish quickly from the good land the LORD is giving you.? Deuteronomy 11:13-17

?This is how we are sure that we have come to know Him: by keeping His commands.? 1 John 2:3

SALVATION - KINGDOM MESSAGE COMPLETED

Now, either you will accept or reject the Truth we have ministered to you. Since everyone should come to understand that actions result in consequences, we deliver the following warning. If you decide to refuse the truth, then you will know what is ahead--even if you reject that also, at this time. Later on, you will see our words come to life. If you accept the Truth now but are later tempted to cultivate negativity within your heart, then the warning we share might help to prevent that from happening.

YAHWEH'S BITTER-SWEET WARNING TO ALL PEOPLE OF THE EARTH

He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life. He that disobeys the Son will not see life. The Wrath of God remains upon him.

?The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.? John 3:36

Once you have been given the Message of Truth, if you do not obey it you are exercising your Free Will choice. However, it will result in eternal death at the Judgment. Just as Satan and his angels cannot have free reign in creation - neither will it be permitted of those that exercise that choice. Your fate is upon your own head.

?Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of everyone's blood, for I did not shrink back from declaring to you the whole plan of God.? Acts 20:26-27

The above scripture reveals we will be clean from the blood of those who make the wrong choice. If you are so cultivated with negativity that you hear and know that what we speak is Truth and you continue to sin willfully by rejecting that Truth, then you will lose the Sacrificial Hope of Salvation. Time will eventually run out. Armageddon is the final Judgment Chapter.

?For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins? Hebrews 10:26

"to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor, and the day of our God's vengeance..." Isaiah 61:2

"The tumult reaches to the ends of the earth because the LORD brings a case against the nations. He enters into judgment with all flesh. As for the wicked, He hands them over to the sword [This is] the LORD's declaration." Jeremiah 25:31

"I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every careless word they speak." Matthew 12:36

"When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood." Ezekiel 33:8

WHO WE MINISTER TO AND SANCTIFICATON OF THE CREATOR'S NAME

This GOOD NEWS of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth and bear witness to all the nations. The nations will be made to know Yahweh. His Name must be sanctified before the nations.

?I will honor the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations?the name you have profaned among them. The nations will know that I am Yahweh"?the declaration of the Lord GOD ?"when I demonstrate My holiness through you in their sight.? Ezekiel 36:23

?So I will make My holy name known among My people Israel and will no longer allow it to be profaned. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.? Ezekiel 39:7

ARE THERE ANY FREE RIDES TO ETERNAL BLISS?

Anyone that believes they can get a free ride through eternity without going through Christ, please read:

?There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.? Acts 4:12

Once you have received the Truth, you are under obligation by the Creator.

?Wisdom is supreme?so get wisdom. And whatever else you get, get understanding.? Proverbs 4:7


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Free To Praise Him (3:43)
Living Water (4:30)
Jesus Is The Answer (5:29)
Faces (4:48)
You Can Never Tell (3:28)
Best Friend (4:58)
You Have Called Me (4:58)
Closer Than Close (5:05)
So Good (4:03)
Hallelujah (5:20)

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Palabra Profetica
Exaltare
Bendecire A Jehova
Jehova Cristo Jesus
Santo Digno
Solo Para Ti
En Ti He Confiado
Cantos De Etiopia
El Es Dios
El Es Fiel
Digno Es El Señor
Mi Pasion
Celebrare
Jesucristo Reina
Digno (Salmo 34:56)


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Sing It How I Feel It
Get My Reward
Word Of Faith
When I Think
Interlude
Lord We've Come To Worship
Lord You're Everything
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Anonymous said...

Mark Payan is giving seminars on relationships? Now thats hilarious. Wasn't he dating a teenager when he was teaching grade school? Yes, he did go to CT. Maybe he can get Jaime to cum be one of his featured speakers.

He's only been married like a year. This all of a sudden makes him an authority on marriage? Thats funny. I agree, he's a jerk. Always was a jerk. Dude swears just because he graduated from Cal State LA that he's all Mr. Intellectual.

He goes to Corona. Word has it he is Mike A.

Anonymous said...

Are you for real ALL CAPS? It's a joke right? You seriously need an EDUCATION!!!

Anonymous said...

I NO NOT THE ONE WHAT NEED OF THE EDUCATION. WHATS GETTING SKOOLED IS YOU CAUSE YOU AINT GOT NO LAWSUIT. YOU AINT GOT NO CASE. YOU AINT GOT WHATS NO FACTS. YOU AINT GOT NO MONIE. YOU AINT GOT NO CLUE. JULIO GOT THE JUMP ON OLL YOU REBELIOUS REBELS WHATS NOT LOYAL TO THE CHURCH CUASE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR PEEPS IN THE OF THE OFFICE. THE BOARD GONNA STOMP ON YOUR LAWSUIT LIKE RHOACHES WHAT COMES INTO THE KITCHEN. THE BOARD GONNA GO OF THE SET YUOU STRAIGHT. YOU BETTER GET RIGHT AND GET GOD OF BEFORE YOU GET LEFT AND GET LOCKED OUT OF THE KINGDON.

Anonymous said...

He goes to Corona ?

He gives seminars along side Valverde and he is under Pachuecos pastorship.

It makes a whole lot of sense that he would be MIKE A

Defending the GB

Cal State L.A. ? What a joke thats nothing to be too proud of.

Anonymous said...

Okay, now I just plain feel sorry for you! Seriously, get back to school!!!! PLEASE!!!

Anonymous said...

In re: Marc Payaso:

Did he recently transfer to Corona because as of about a month ago,he was still at CT. I was visiting there and ran into him.

I do believe he is Mike A.

Anonymous said...

The A in Mike A's alias must stand for A**H***

Anonymous said...

EVERYONE IGNORE ALL CAPS:

He's just trying to ruffle everyone's feathers- especially because the comments he gets are in regard to his spelling.

Just ignore the poor 'bestarrrrdo'.

Anonymous said...

11:09

:) :) LOL!

Anonymous said...

Good morning everyone. So what's the latest on the lawsuit? Can someone confirm if the GB have been served?

Does anyone know what is the next course of action?

I heard from someone internally that if the lawsuit is filed, and once court papers are served, that the GB would then agree to having a re-election rather than going through all the court proceedings.

Can someone verify?

Anonymous said...

Convention Workshop Schedule:

Successful Relationships
By: Mark Payan

Healthy Living for Ministers
By: Martin Del Rancho

Living a Wholesome Life
By: Jaime Aguilar

Keeping Your Hair
By: Sam Valverde

Keeping a Clean Testimony
By: Edward Pacheco

Raising Spiritual Children
By: Leobardo Maffey

Love Thy Youth
By: Rick Ramirez

Toca Mi Organo
By: Lorenzo Salazar

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Lorenzo Salazar: I'm not too keen on my AA history or stories for that matter:

was HE the one that used to be the president of the assembly and backslid or something. Is he the hymnist?

whatever happened to him? is he the one that died a few years ago?

Anonymous said...

12:13 PM
Yes that's the one. Estela Cantu lover.

Anonymous said...

A few years ago, Mario Rodriguez was accused of having an affair with a woman from the church he pastored. The woman was excommunicated and he was rewarded by being re-elected Bishop.
Fact or fiction?

Anonymous said...

And that is how it goes in the AA, the woman gets taken out and the man gets rewarded.

November 6, 2007 10:47 PM

So you mean both of them get the screwing?

Hey leave Lorenzo Salazar out of it!

I think you meant Joe Salazar?

Anonymous said...

Estela Cantu as in B. Cantu? And didn't the fire Dept catch them?

Anonymous said...

Who is Joe Salazar? Is Lorenzo Salarza dead?

Anonymous said...

Estela Cantu- Benjamin Cantu's daughter???? Where is she at now?

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:26

no, only ONE does. :)

Anonymous said...

Estela Cantu? Was she good looking?

For some weird reason, the name Estela makes me feel euphoric. I must've had something to do with her in my previous life.

Anonymous said...

Estella was a good "Vocalist". Just like Jaime...lol

They have good mORALs

Anonymous said...

ALERT!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!!

Russell Crowe, who is 43, says he's planning to be baptized.

"I'd like to do it this year," the Oscar-winning actor tells Men's Journal. "My mom and dad decided to let my brother and me make our own decisions about God when we got to the right age. I started thinking recently, `If I believe it is important to baptize my kids, why not me?'"

Crowe says the baptism will take place in the Byzantine chapel he built at his country ranch in Australia for his wedding to Danielle Spencer in 2003. The couple have two sons, 3-year-old Charlie and 1-year-old Tennyson.

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"It is consecrated and everything," Crowe says in the magazine's December issue, now on newsstands. "Charlie was baptized there. And when Tennyson gets baptized there, I will, too."

Crowe a reformed Aussie bad boy with a reputation for throwing temper tantrums is more spiritual than people may think.

"I do believe there are more important things than what is in the mind of a man," he says. "There is something much bigger that drives us all. I'm willing to take that leap of faith."

Crowe, who won an Academy Award in 2001 for "Gladiator," co-stars with Denzel Washington in "American Gangster," a Universal Pictures release, which is now in theaters. His screen credits also include "A Beautiful Mind" and "The Insider"

Anonymous said...

If he is not getting baptized in Jesus name he is going to hell, just like everyone else that got baptized from 120 AD to 1903 when the AA was organized.

Hallelujah!

Anonymous said...

Only those baptized after Jesus died in the name of Jesus until about 120 AD and those that got baptized after 1903 in Jesus name are saved.

Everyone else from 120 AD to 1903 baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost was not saved.

Anonymous said...

Exactly! All those trinos are going to HELL. Even if they were more Christlike than oneness Pentecostals.

Pente-Power!!!

Anonymous said...

IT NO NOT MATTER WHAT THE RUSSEL CROWE GETTED THE BAPTISED LONG AS IT NO NOT IN THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY CHURCH AND NO IT NOT GOT THE HOLY GHOST. YOU WAS GOT ALL YOUR DOCTRINES ALL THE BECKWARD CAUSE IT AINT THE WATER THAT BAPTSED HIM IT HAVE TO DO WHAT WITH ALL THE ACTS FROM THE POSTLES LIKE THE GENERAL OFFICES HAVES TO OFFER.

PS JULIO LEAL SAY YOU IS ALL FULL OF DOOO DOOO.

Anonymous said...

You've got to use the hidden formula in Acts 2:38

Anonymous said...

Sorry Billy Graham, if you don't find the SECRET formula, you going to HELL!

Even if you lead more people to Christ alone than the whole AA put together.

Life isn't always fair Billy, stay cool!

Anonymous said...

I know you all have been sarcastic,
hell is a horrible place.
We are going to be surprised in eternity when we see many trinitarians in heaven and many apostolics in hell. Jesus name people are the bride of the Lamb, Holy Spirit trinitarians are the guests at the wedding.
Rev 19:9 Mat 22:3-10

Anonymous said...

"Jesus name people are the bride of the Lamb, Holy Spirit trinitarians are the guests at the wedding."


Oh boy, another typical apostolic trying to help God in coordinating heaven. You're an idiot, get your theology straight.

Anonymous said...

So where does that put Malverde and 2 vote Eddie?

Anonymous said...

To 3:02 PM
Prove me wrong!!

Anonymous said...

But I say unto you,That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever, shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever, shall say, Thou IDIOT, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:22

Anonymous said...

Listen, i teach this all day long. The bible is clear on the keys to salvation. Jesus said except a man be born of the water and of the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

With that being said God is soveriegn and can do what he wants without answering to bunch of mexicans caught up in chisme.

Anonymous said...

The Trinitarians are not your enemy, they have actually come a long way. Because of our ignorance we have stopped reaching them because we shut them down.

Its about grace and love.

Anonymous said...

Thats right. Its all about grace and love.


Regards,

Rick Ramirez
Isaac Gutierrez
SSP
Jaime Aguilar

Anonymous said...

And don't forget "Bumps on the Rump" AKA Lucy Montez

Anonymous said...

Lily Cruz is the best apostolic female singer ever in the history of the apostolic assembly in the faith of jesus christ, inc. I'm talking going all the way back to 1930.


she does dress like a viejita from 1930, but thats another topic.

Anonymous said...

Its about grace and love. I think he meant when you don't have the apostolic faith. Once you now it is a whole new game.

Anonymous said...

know it, sorry

Anonymous said...

YOUR GUYS IS TARDED TO THE MAXUM. ITS OF ABOUT THE GRACE NOW THAT WHAT YOU IS SAYING OF YOUSELFS. WHAT AM MORE TARDED IS YOU AINT GO NO OF THE GRACE AND MERCY TO THE NATIONAL BOARD. YOU AINT GOT NOT NO CLUE CAUSE YOU IS ONLY GIVEING GRSACE TO YOUSELFS AND NOT OUR LEADERS. OF THE LEADERS YOU IS ALL HELL FIRE AND BRIMDSTONE. SEE HOW TARDED YOU ALL IS.

JULIO LEAL SAYS YOU IS ALL FULL OF THE DOGGY POOPS WHAT SMELLS NASTY

Anonymous said...

Alert!!!
Sam Rojas order to change all the computer passwords at headquarters and every door lock . What are you hiding Rojas?

Anonymous said...

We all know that Sam Rojas doesn't do anything on his own. There is nothing upstairs.

If Sam did change passwords and lock doors, it is becuase Sam V. told him to do it.

Great Job.

Anonymous said...

Whats next shredding physical documents?

Anonymous said...

I guess I'm a "trinitarian", since I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Most of you really need to start reading the BIBLE for yourselves and ask the Lord to open your mind of understanding. I suggest the NIV Study Bible ASAP!

On another note, God is LOVE. IF you don't have LOVE, You DO NOT KNOW GOD!

Anonymous said...

guess I'm a "trinitarian", since I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Three different persons or manifestations?

Anonymous said...

'I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.'

We all do. His name is Jesus. Allow me to introduce him to you.

He also goes by Prince of Peace, Everlasting Father, Mighty God . . .

Anonymous said...

Amen bishop Jauhall.

Anonymous said...

The GB is Praying and trying to be fast.

Praying they can be fast enough to shred the evidence before they get caught

Anonymous said...

The Petitioners and Consenters send letters to all pastors 10/04/07 now is 11/7/2007 where is the lawsuit? the GB must be laughing.

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