The subtitle might as well read "The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of the Apostolic Assembly"Who knew that a blog such as this would expose supposed wrong doing by so many men and women, young and old on both sides or on no side of the current AA situation.
In our age of instantaneous information available to all, accountability will be demanded. The old, smelly, stale carpet in our house has been removed and replaced with transparent glass thereby removing the opportunity for hidden agendas, intentions and actions to swept under the rug. On this new surface we will be able to see all the fingerprints, smears, smudges, mud and dirt. That is a good thing because they kinds of items can be easily cleaned, addressed as soon as they appear.
It almost hurts to read all the things hurled out about brothers I've held in high regard. It seems that as soon as a name comes it is like they are the object of a pie throwing contest in a county fair, including the dead including the recently deceased.
At the most very basic level the fault of the AA has that we have been taught not to question authority in any manner. The AA body has been taught to almost deify the man behind the pulpit or sitting in the big chair on the platform. We've been taught to roll out the red carpet, kiss their ring finger and believe that this person holds absolute authority. The ignorance of our forefathers treated leaders as though they where the high priests. As far as I know there is only one high priest.
As the newer generation moves into their own, we must realize they've been taught through higher learning institutions how to think critically: Question authority.
"Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action". http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/definingCT.shtml
Unfortunately, our under-educated pastors and ministers are still of the mentality that we must believe and act according to what the man behind the pulpits dictates. Why? Because if he is behind the pulpit it must be the truth. There really is no logic in this type of thinking, even though this is the mentality that rules the ignorant masses. Fortunately hermanos, we are no longer part of that ignorant mass.
And our leaders played us because of our ignorance, we've been lied to, cheated, talked about mis-treated (anyone recognize this song). We've had dogma shoved down our throats with no biblical validity but "if you don't do what the pastor says, you are disobedient and rebellious".
Pastors/ministers/bishops/leaders, do me favor and stop preaching about the way I look on the outside. You are filled with sin, filth and deceit on the inside. Don't worry about sisters wearing pants, they are not going to hell because of it. There is absolutely no biblical validity to this! God does not love a pant wearer any less then a non-pant wearer. Don't preach to me about wearing jewelry, there to is no biblical validity to this either. I can use the same argument about watches and broaches, it is just stupid! The veil...let's not even go there.
We are saved by God's Grace not by what you think I should look like. It's funny how you think you can make God love someone more because of the way YOU want them to look.
In reality what you are doing is exactly what you've been doing - living a double standard and causing those in your congregations to live with double standards.
I teach my children to behave the same way when they are with me and when they are not with me. I teach them not to hide from me, I teach them that, I, as there father am not perfect and will make mistakes. And when I do make mistakes I will need their help and support. I teach them that they will make mistakes and they do not need to hide those mistakes from me because I will be there for them and not for the purpose of knocking them down. I teach my children that you are going to make mistakes, be selfish in your decision making and guidance (I do this because of your past history of looking out for your best interest and not mine) and not accurately apply God's word. I teach them it is their responsibility to take what you spoken and verify its validity with God's word - ...study to show thyself approved.
When you get behind the pulpit this coming Sunday, please remember, I am probably more educated than you, I probably make more money than you. I've spent countless hours studying God's word, studying for my degrees and analyzing financial and legal documents for real world business decisions. In my career I am compensated by helping other individuals and corporations make short and long term business projections. The bottom line is, I can see a grift coming from a mile away. (If you notice sometimes I wear my boots on Sunday.)
Spare me the dogma, God saved us by his grace, fortunately not your ignorance. It is because of your past decisions we have come to an intellectual and moral bankruptcy in our beloved organization.
We must reorganize and refocus our efforts in teaching God's grace, not Apostolic Assembly dogma.
Dios les pague
ApostolicVoice
Blogmaster
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The blog master told us his name- it's Amador and I can't think of the last name- I think it is in the archived blog. He worked in the general offices- not sure what he did- but look up the archived blogs to get his info- or e-mail him.
Felipe Arredano- how do you know he's a flor azuler?
Been with him?
only a true flor azuler would recongnize one of its kind right?...you have to be one of them!!
hello
Any survivors?
I'm here... had to duck and cover.
Good. This GB fanatics are crazy.
To 11:48 am:
It looks like a great majority of the GB would stay. And if those who you thought might leave (Valverde, Aguilar), would, their congregations would force them to stay.
It is difficult to be outside of the Assembly when all friends and family are in. They miss the fellowship they have together at conventions, retreats and other events.
Look what happened to Eddie Lopez and his wife, Becky. (Daniel Sanchez daughter and son-in-law).
They left the Anaheim church, started a church with the Vineyard, taking their members.
The women were able to wear chandlier earrings, pants and all kinds of liberal stuff. No matter,
now almost all of the members are back in bondage with the Apostolic Assembly, and Eddie and Becky are still out.
Remember it is also the mating grounds that insures the survival of the AA. Marrying outside of the AA would put you outside of the fellowship, excommunicated and send you to hell. Even if I've never seen it in the Bible, you will go straight to hell.
No one is going anywhere, they are stuck in this cultural, social, mate searching, addicting life.
How many district conventions where held this year? They were full to capacity. People continued to give and give, and already news was coming out about the election fraud.
With the few exceptions of people who write on this blog, most of the Apostolics don't care who is on the Board, what they are doing or why.
Already, all the blocked off $89.00 per night hotel rooms for the Dallas Convention have been sold out and the new price is now $99.00 and going fast.
The majority of these people can't wait to get to Dallas for this convention. Remember, this is the best mating grounds for this year.
The money will be collected, the people will enjoy eating out together and introducing their kids to each other, and life will go on as if nothing was happening at the General Board .
Do you think that the single group that has been allowed to organize only in recent history is going to care if there has been election fraud, financial inpropriety, adultery, or any other assorted scandal in the GB?
No, they will continue as if all is well with the world and the AA.
Already, all the blocked off $89.00 per night hotel rooms for the Dallas Convention have been sold out and the new price is now $99.00 and going fast.
According to my sources many have cancel their reservations. People are getting tired of this parade.
To 7:55
Bro if you only knew, if you only knew, the reality of was going on, if you only knew. My God is really heavy, that's all I can say at this time. Chills run up and down my spine for what is coming.
Don't despair help is coming
Tell us please, WHATS GOING ON????
OK I give you a clue.
6) NO the GB and the QB CANNOT use AA funds to defend themselves. Corporate law does not allow it. Look at ENRON and others.
$200,000 x 10 =
Anonymous said...
Hello, Hello, Hello:
Someone said that Bishop Jauhall has a wealthy nephew who might help out with the attorney fees for the Petitioners.
What a joke!!!!
So, Bro. Daniel Jauhall has a multi
millionaire nephew? That's easy living here in California. You can own 2 houses and 2 storefront buildings in any barrio here in Southern Calif. and you are a multi
millionaire.
This guy would not give you a half of a penny. That's why he owns those 2 houses and 2 storefronts.
Did you read the letter sent to us Pastors a few months ago stating that Bro. Jauhall, who was then Bishop in Oregon was in dire need of a house and a letter was circulated to all the Apostolic Assembly, Pastors, Bishops and the HGB from a Pastor in Portland Oregon requesting immediate funds from all the churches, Flor Azul, and any other available monies to purchase a house for Bro.Jauhall.
Now we pastors here are commenting by telephone, if he has a multi
millionaire nephew, why was that petition circulated around the Assembly for funds for that purchase?
Heresay is that the house was going to be purchased in Visalia so he can go give problems to Pastor Mosqueda.
Don't expect dear nephew to pay any attorney fees for Jauhall if he won't even purchase a house for his uncle.
The Petitioners are going to have to find money from another source because it ain't coming from the rich nephew, whoever he is!
I remember that Bishop Jauhall condemned us Pastors for trying to buy our little homes, explaining that we were not to build kingdoms on this earth, because the rapture was at hand.
So I am a little confused as to why we would have to help HIM purchase one.
Don't count on assistance for the Petitioner from that source. Look somewhere else.
FRAUD occurs when all of the following elements exist:
an individual or an organization intentionally makes an untrue representation about an important fact or event;
the untrue representation is believed by the victim (the person or organization to whom the representation has been made);
the victim relies upon and acts upon the untrue representation;
the victim suffers loss of money and/or property as a result of relying upon and acting upon the untrue representation.
Fraud can be for the benefit and gain of an individual, or for the benefit and gain of an organizational entity or program. When an individual commits fraud, the benefits and gains may be direct (receipt of money or property), or indirect (reward of promotions, bonuses, power and influence).
Generally, there are twelve crimes that fall under the umbrella of Fraud.
1. Bribery
2. Commercial Bribery
3. Illegal Gratuity
4. Conflict of Interest
5. False Statements and False Claims
6. Extortion
7. and 8. Mail Fraud and Wire Fraud
9. Conspiracy
10. Breach of Fiduciary Duty
11. Embezzlement
12. Failure to Report a Federal Felony to Appropriate U.S. Law Enforcement Authorities.
Genesis 9
God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.
6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.
7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it."
8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."
12 And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth."
17 So God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth."
The Sons of Noah
18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) 19 These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the earth.
20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded [a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,
"Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers."
26 He also said,
"Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem. [b]
27 May God extend the territory of Japheth [c] ;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be his [d] slave."
28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. 29 Altogether, Noah lived 950 years, and then he died.
Genesis 10
The Table of Nations
1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah's sons, who themselves had sons after the flood.
The Japhethites
2 The sons [a] of Japheth:
Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras.
3 The sons of Gomer:
Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.
4 The sons of Javan:
Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittim and the Rodanim. [b] 5 (From these the maritime peoples spread out into their territories by their clans within their nations, each with its own language.)
The Hamites
6 The sons of Ham:
Cush, Mizraim, [c] Put and Canaan.
7 The sons of Cush:
Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabteca.
The sons of Raamah:
Sheba and Dedan.
8 Cush was the father [d] of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; that is why it is said, "Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD." 10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, in [e] Shinar. [f] 11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, [g] Calah 12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city.
13 Mizraim was the father of
the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites, Naphtuhites, 14 Pathrusites, Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and Caphtorites.
15 Canaan was the father of
Sidon his firstborn, [h] and of the Hittites, 16 Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, 17 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, 18 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites.
Later the Canaanite clans scattered 19 and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon toward Gerar as far as Gaza, and then toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.
20 These are the sons of Ham by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations.
The Semites
21 Sons were also born to Shem, whose older brother was [i] Japheth; Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber.
22 The sons of Shem:
Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.
23 The sons of Aram:
Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshech. [j]
24 Arphaxad was the father of [k] Shelah,
and Shelah the father of Eber.
25 Two sons were born to Eber:
One was named Peleg, [l] because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
26 Joktan was the father of
Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, 27 Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, 28 Obal, Abimael, Sheba, 29 Ophir, Havilah and Jobab. All these were sons of Joktan.
30 The region where they lived stretched from Mesha toward Sephar, in the eastern hill country.
31 These are the sons of Shem by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations.
32 These are the clans of Noah's sons, according to their lines of descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread out over the earth after the flood.
9:51
You must be referring to the AA Real Estate Department.
Genesis 11
The Tower of Babel
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar [b] and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel [c] —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
From Shem to Abram
10 This is the account of Shem.
Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father [d] of Arphaxad. 11 And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
12 When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. 13 And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters. [e]
14 When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. 15 And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
16 When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. 17 And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
18 When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. 19 And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
20 When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. 21 And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
22 When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. 23 And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
24 When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. 25 And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
26 After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.
27 This is the account of Terah.
Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. And Haran became the father of Lot. 28 While his father Terah was still alive, Haran died in Ur of the Chaldeans, in the land of his birth. 29 Abram and Nahor both married. The name of Abram's wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor's wife was Milcah; she was the daughter of Haran, the father of both Milcah and Iscah. 30 Now Sarai was barren; she had no children.
31 Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Haran, they settled there.
32 Terah lived 205 years, and he died in Haran.
Looks like Timmy Malverde is online clogging up the blog.
Proverbs 1
Prologue: Purpose and Theme
1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young-
5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance-
6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools [a] despise wisdom and discipline.
Exhortations to Embrace Wisdom
Warning Against Enticement
8 Listen, my son, to your father's instruction
and do not forsake your mother's teaching.
9 They will be a garland to grace your head
and a chain to adorn your neck.
10 My son, if sinners entice you,
do not give in to them.
11 If they say, "Come along with us;
let's lie in wait for someone's blood,
let's waylay some harmless soul;
12 let's swallow them alive, like the grave, [b]
and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we will get all sorts of valuable things
and fill our houses with plunder;
14 throw in your lot with us,
and we will share a common purse"-
15 my son, do not go along with them,
do not set foot on their paths;
16 for their feet rush into sin,
they are swift to shed blood.
17 How useless to spread a net
in full view of all the birds!
18 These men lie in wait for their own blood;
they waylay only themselves!
19 Such is the end of all who go after ill-gotten gain;
it takes away the lives of those who get it.
Warning Against Rejecting Wisdom
20 Wisdom calls aloud in the street,
she raises her voice in the public squares;
21 at the head of the noisy streets [c] she cries out,
in the gateways of the city she makes her speech:
22 "How long will you simple ones [d] love your simple ways?
How long will mockers delight in mockery
and fools hate knowledge?
23 If you had responded to my rebuke,
I would have poured out my heart to you
and made my thoughts known to you.
24 But since you rejected me when I called
and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand,
25 since you ignored all my advice
and would not accept my rebuke,
26 I in turn will laugh at your disaster;
I will mock when calamity overtakes you-
27 when calamity overtakes you like a storm,
when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind,
when distress and trouble overwhelm you.
28 "Then they will call to me but I will not answer;
they will look for me but will not find me.
29 Since they hated knowledge
and did not choose to fear the LORD,
30 since they would not accept my advice
and spurned my rebuke,
31 they will eat the fruit of their ways
and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,
and the complacency of fools will destroy them;
33 but whoever listens to me will live in safety
and be at ease, without fear of harm."
Proverbs 2
Moral Benefits of Wisdom
1 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding,
3 and if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD
and find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD gives wisdom,
and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
7 He holds victory in store for the upright,
he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
8 for he guards the course of the just
and protects the way of his faithful ones.
9 Then you will understand what is right and just
and fair—every good path.
10 For wisdom will enter your heart,
and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
11 Discretion will protect you,
and understanding will guard you.
12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men,
from men whose words are perverse,
13 who leave the straight paths
to walk in dark ways,
14 who delight in doing wrong
and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,
15 whose paths are crooked
and who are devious in their ways.
16 It will save you also from the adulteress,
from the wayward wife with her seductive words,
17 who has left the partner of her youth
and ignored the covenant she made before God. [a]
18 For her house leads down to death
and her paths to the spirits of the dead.
19 None who go to her return
or attain the paths of life.
20 Thus you will walk in the ways of good men
and keep to the paths of the righteous.
21 For the upright will live in the land,
and the blameless will remain in it;
22 but the wicked will be cut off from the land,
and the unfaithful will be torn from it.
Proverbs 3
Further Benefits of Wisdom
1 My son, do not forget my teaching,
but keep my commands in your heart,
2 for they will prolong your life many years
and bring you prosperity.
3 Let love and faithfulness never leave you;
bind them around your neck,
write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 Then you will win favor and a good name
in the sight of God and man.
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight. [a]
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.
8 This will bring health to your body
and nourishment to your bones.
9 Honor the LORD with your wealth,
with the firstfruits of all your crops;
10 then your barns will be filled to overflowing,
and your vats will brim over with new wine.
11 My son, do not despise the LORD's discipline
and do not resent his rebuke,
12 because the LORD disciplines those he loves,
as a father [b] the son he delights in.
13 Blessed is the man who finds wisdom,
the man who gains understanding,
14 for she is more profitable than silver
and yields better returns than gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies;
nothing you desire can compare with her.
16 Long life is in her right hand;
in her left hand are riches and honor.
17 Her ways are pleasant ways,
and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to those who embrace her;
those who lay hold of her will be blessed.
19 By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations,
by understanding he set the heavens in place;
20 by his knowledge the deeps were divided,
and the clouds let drop the dew.
21 My son, preserve sound judgment and discernment,
do not let them out of your sight;
22 they will be life for you,
an ornament to grace your neck.
23 Then you will go on your way in safety,
and your foot will not stumble;
24 when you lie down, you will not be afraid;
when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.
25 Have no fear of sudden disaster
or of the ruin that overtakes the wicked,
26 for the LORD will be your confidence
and will keep your foot from being snared.
27 Do not withhold good from those who deserve it,
when it is in your power to act.
28 Do not say to your neighbor,
"Come back later; I'll give it tomorrow"—
when you now have it with you.
29 Do not plot harm against your neighbor,
who lives trustfully near you.
30 Do not accuse a man for no reason—
when he has done you no harm.
31 Do not envy a violent man
or choose any of his ways,
32 for the LORD detests a perverse man
but takes the upright into his confidence.
33 The LORD's curse is on the house of the wicked,
but he blesses the home of the righteous.
34 He mocks proud mockers
but gives grace to the humble.
35 The wise inherit honor,
but fools he holds up to shame.
To Nov. 1, 8:P25 pm
So Timmy Valverde:
"If you only knew, If you only knew.."
You know everything. Of course you do. You live in the middle of the borboyon.
You know all about the hotel prices and of the cancelations...
You know all the gossip, and all the chisme, along with the stratigic information what we all would like to know.
But you can't tell because you have to be true to daddy...
Okay, Okay...Just leave us to our own speculations that nobody cares..
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PIMPS!
Most of these Apostolic leader's identity is so tied into being Apostolic if they left they would absolutley would be worthless. Think about it, if they left who would repect them? The only reason why they get any respect is because they're somebody in the AA.
That's why all these people without thinking a second about it leave all their families behind during thankgiving to go get noticed at the convention. They feel important when they go over there. They get to put on the suit, and they're wives get to show off the the new coach purse and new dress. Yeah, it feels good to go to convention. In any other situation and enviroment, most of these people would not be given the respect they receive at these bastions of "look at me events." No education, no success, just the abilty to sing and deliver one-liners to get everybody hyped-up, along with the right last name places you in the elite of the AA.
It's a display of flesh in my opinion. They have nothing else.
You can spot them a mile away, all decked out in the latest and most exspensive clothes, knowing that it's all bought off the hard-working tithes of the hermanos.
Which one of these big name preachers kids actually went to school, worked hard in life, made something of their life, and then God called them to the ministry? NONE. ZERO.
So, let's all look at them this convention as we should. Pity them. Pity them because if this organization goes down, they all come falling down, too.
No income.
No more convention to look important at.
No place to get all dressed for.
No more hanging out with all the other elite's kids, while you shun all the poor souls from your church who labor with you all year in your local church.
Yeah, how you just smile at them as they pass you by on their way to taco bell, while you spend thier 10% with your "buddies" in the ministry, dropping OUTBACK BBQ suace on your new tie.
OUCH!
Alert!!
The GB are requesting 100 pastors with $5,000 each plus 100 hermanos with $5000 , the idea is to collect $1,000,0000 dollars for missions .
Please bring your checkbooks ready in 3 weeks.
Are they using that money to defend themselves from the lawsuit?
There are ways to divert those contributions to pay legal fees. Brethren beware at the convention!
Instead of pleading for money, Sam Malverde should just apply the teachings he sells on his CD's for $30.00
Gees, what a novel idea. Practice what you preach.
Funny how he preaches the prosperity doctrine but in his time of need, he puts out his hat and beggs for money or preaches hell if thou darest rob the storehouse.
Sam Malverde preaches one thing but practices another.
Alert!!!
Jason deMille The AA legal counsel resign. Why? Lawyers from the other side , are very tough lawyers. Is not his area of expertise.
I'm not a Valverde fan but come on- that's just hearsay- just speculation- you're taking the words of an anonymous blogger as fact.
We dont' know if it is true or not.
Baldemar & Co, in essence, are doing the same thing. Except- I believe that once they've reached their goal- that money will be pocketed by each Co. member.
De HE resign or was it the law firm? How do you know this?
If it wasn't his area of expertise = why would he sign on in the first place? I doubt he resigned- maybe his lawfirm is allowing a different attorney(s) to handle the matter.
what lawfirm was that again?
ALERT!!
Daniel Sanchez has just stepped down!!!
NEWS FROM THE INSIDE!
I can't divulge names, but I was told the AA lawyers were contacted Wednesday by the consenters lawyers and told the lawsuit was being served. Also they were told the AA would probably LOSE!
Can we confirm Sanchez stepping down?
Somebody call someone on th inside please!
I don't think he'll step down - yet. Remember Pharoh needed many signs and wonders before he let Israel go. The Egyptians in office don't want to let go of their captives
He'll probably wait to see if they can buy enough support with the 'free' brunch: (AA website)
Breakfast for Pastors and Wives
(Compliments of the Apostolic Assembly)
On Thursday morning we will hold a beautiful program:
"Rekindling the Fire"
Our purpose will be to encourage the pastors to return to the biblical purpose of feeling compassion for the lost. We will have two brief but powerful messages, songs that will touch the soul, and a symbolic ceremony.
You can collect your ticket(s) during the Ministerial business meeting on Tuesday or during the Doctrinal Symposium on Wednesday. The deadline to pick these up will be at noon on Wednesday.
'Rekindling the Fire' - how sweet. I've got news for your HGB - Someone is going to burn.
Can someone post a list of other blogs discussing the elections?
Thanks
He is going to step down. Will make it official before convention. Word has it that he will take all the blame and let Valverde have his steak!
I was under the impression that Matthew Moates from texas was the Lawyer for the AA. Anyone know for sure?
So Sanchez is going to take one for the team? Wow... I guess then he will need the remaining GB to be his huckleberry until he finds another $10,000 a month revenue stream.
dont know if the lawsuit has been served or even filed, but this is embarrassing to the Body of Christ. Instead of preaching the word and focusing on His kingdom. We are all focused on this shameful act.
Our leaders have let us down. What happened to the Passion we all supposedly have. Guess it was all talk. What a shame. Too much fighting with each other and not enough Christ. Daniel Sanchez is a good man, I just think he made some bad decisions.
Abel Torres, is another good man with Character and integrity. I bet if they would sit down just the two of them, they could resolve things out. Or maybe not.
Stepping down will not absolve him of his crime. It would serve no purpose - unless a new election were conducted.
The only hope for the GB to avoid the scrutiny of the judicial system and the tearing down of the corporate veil is to allow the matter to be resolved internally.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist - but I guess it does require more than a La Puente education.
This is not between two men. Sanchez and the qualifying board not only broke the law (according to the constitution), and sinned against the brethren by violating the TRUST we all had given them. You make a point about preaching and Kingdom principles as an organization, but how can we preach Kingdom things when we cant even manage and lead an organization?
We are fooling ourselves if we think we can dig our heads in the sand and hope it gets resolved. This is an event that has been cooking for a VERY long time.
Your right its not just about two men. Its a mess no matter what happens we all lose. Our reputation as a church is tainted, the brethrens trust is lost and it will take years to recoup this. A change in administration would help also.
I guess, when you see these "Men of God" (I say that with a grain of salt now), I really believed in them. I really thought they were the real thing. I dont know if they read these blogs or if someone close to them does but if you read this, just let know this.
They really let us down. Everything rises and falls on leadership and in this case everything is coming down.
You see TRUST is at the heart of any organization or institution. When that is lost - you get this, people that are very angry and upset and not willing to look the other way.
Also, to all those dissenters of "we shouldn't be suing our brethren", the day the Apostolic Assembly decided to ad th "Inc." to the tag line they inherited all the rights but also the RESPONSIBILITIES to the government and to the body - the constituents, and when they broke that TRUST, it is almost an irreversible act which requires a MAJOR change to hopefully restore.
My guess is that there will be a major division. Probably between Texas and California. Good bye California, Good Night Texas.
Sanchez don't take all the blame, VALVERDE you are the one.
Sam-chez what a combination.
Has anyone here emailed headquarters? You guys are voicing very good points, but my bet is that the GB doesn't look at this blog.
If you have a good post, or something valuable to say, maybe you should not only post it here, but send it to the headquarters email address as well.
Here are some emails of interest:
Daniel Sanchez:
danielsanchez61@aol.com
Valverde:
Gensec49@aol.com
Headquarters:
headquarters@apostolicassembly.org
ALERT!
Sanchez changed his mind! From my inside sources, he was slapped by Malverde as Malverde told him,
Mr. Bishop President, let me be your Dick, Cheney that is.
We're gonna kick some A#$!
We have to win, how else can I make this kind of money? In the real world? Bible pimping Si! Selling Oranges door to door, NO!
Alyssa Curbarubias has a webcam. check it out.
How do we check out Alessa Covahooche's webcam?
She has a personal website. If you sign up under her friends, on myspace, she gives you the hook up so you can chat with her. She does this for her fans. But your myspace account has to look real not a false one. She's hot.
New Rules!!!
Bishops that preach the prosperity doctrine should no longer be begging their congregations to give.
Caugh, caugh, MALVERDE!
New Rules!!
Bishops that are over 60 years old who color their hair, cannot get behind the pulpit and criticize women for using makeup.
Hear that Pachuco!
New Rules!!
You cannot preach about healthy families, healthy church, healthy pastors when 4 of the GB are sugar diabetics and one looks like Jabba the Hutt! And the Bishop Secretary Looks like Porkey Pig!
New Rules!!
You cannot make up a CID Document requiring that Ministers be of a clean background when one of the CIDers/Bishops is a known ConMan!
Hear that Pachuco!
what is her personal my space address?
eh. . .she's alright- she has a boys shape. and what up with buck teeth?
yes and she has mustache. lilly cruzn has a beer belly
TO THSELF BE TRUE PEOPLE
remember the rules
Shout Outs - Use this section for communicating activities, sending hello's or you affinity for each other, such as Sis. Nohemi Gonzales and/or Sergio Villanueva for example. Feel free to post your myspace pages in this section.
BLOGMASTER PLEASE
Apostolic Assembly president Sanchez seen losing his crown
Is the blog master on vakay or what?!!!!
Wake up BLOGMASTER!!
Blog master do not allowed this spiritual pornography on your blog.
Immature talk.
Can we keep the talk about about the elections and other AA relevant stuff?
How about if someone sets up a AA eharmony.com
Let's talk about the AA elections and other important stuff.
It sounds terrible to hear you talking about other races. Just because the AA is 99.9 percent Hispanic doesn't mean we should bash other races.
We are Christian's here or are we really a cult?
Any update from any insider on the reaction of the GB with the lawsuit?
What happened to the former San Jose musician that was hating on Aguilar?
Bebe?
Darius?
or
Ben?
jajajajajajaja
the
lord
hath
shut
you
up
The GB know exactly what going to happen. NOTHING.
Baldemar & company are full of HOT AIR.
Are you shure?
I was hoping someone would speak up.
So where are the papers? I know that Baldemar & Company have a lot of information about how the AA is ran. But does that have anything to do with the Elections?
Does anyone know what happen to minister Octavio Ibarra? I heard something happened that he lost his ministerial license for inappropiate behavior. Can anyone elaborate on what happen?
Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep;
And if I die before I wake,
I hope its not to hot down there
Fast Eddie
Where is Octavio Ibarra from?
Well if he was an AA minister he either had an affair, ripped off somebody, ran some kind of scam.
Abused his power or used his position for his own gain.
Did I leave anything out?
"We are Christian's here or are we really a cult?"
We're suppose to be Christians but the HGB wishes they could run it like a cult......opps they do!
No the AA is not run like a cult, we know that for sure
Jim Jones
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The GB5 scam is old news. Have you been living under a rock? We already saw the videos on this, read the story etc.
http://www.cbstv2.com/Global/story.asp?S=7122050
In case any of you haven't notice- we're pretty much not interested in reading long winded cut'n pasted entries- don't cut'n paste- think for yourself and be direct and to the point-
this blog is borring- back to Alessa Covahooch.
Whats going on with the lawsuit,
are they ready to defend themselves or resign?
This is boring. Sounds like everyone vented and back at church. Losers sitting on the benches, going out with your cliques to Dennys, Red Robin, Ihop, the Elephant Bar, after church.
Then back to your boring jobs on monday, log online to see all the chisme. But wait, there is no lawsuit. Nothing that will help you escape the boringness of your daily lives, lives without any purpose. Thats why you log on to this site, you feel you are stading up to the machine with your anonymous posts. Or prophesying, giving a word as he says, anonymous too. Alast, 5pm comes and so does your daily crusade for justice in the assembly. Off you go to your gorditas, to the kids, to the stack of bills. Or back home to your moms house, dinner waiting, tortillas hot and fresh. At home with no purpose in your lives, you turn on tv. A little monday night football on espn, re-runs of american idol, your latest novela, till you decide to wage your crusade before going to bed. you log on, post a blast, ask about the lawsuit. Till you roll over and go to sleep, another boring purposeless day. Alast, its tuesday...repeat the day.
to 9:33 AM
Not so with me, We have a real problem in this AA. Its not a chisme the lawsuit is in. The San Bernardino sheriff deparment served this Dorks today.
I work within the legal system and know for a fact that the SBDO Sheriff's department do not service S&C's anymore-- AND if this was filed in L.A. as it's been speculated- SBDO Sheriff would not have served them. Actually- the Sheriff departments do not serve S&C- regardless of the county you are in.
to 9:43
crying wolf again? if they did serf them, how you know?
To 9:33- thanks for elaborating on YOUR life. Tell you mommy to make extra tortillas- I may stop over.
If this side and that side keeps switching attorneys- and we can't keep that straight- how can you assume that they've had the time to draw up the lawsuit?
9:48
HOW WAS DENNYS?
5) NO the GB and the QB CANNOT use AA funds to defend themselves. Corporate law does not allow it. Look at ENRON and others.
Can a Legal Beagle elaborated on this?
9:43
lol lol you watch too much television. have you ever heard of a Process Server?
San Berdu Sheriffs don't serve Los Angeles Sup Ct Cases.
Next thing you'll say is los Marshalls went over to serve
Sam-Che
9:43 is trying to act like he/she has an inkling of what the legal system is like. I don't think you have any facts- your clutching at straws.
9:43 is a legal non-intellect.
to 9:47- what legal field do you work in? do you have access to court records first hand?
Did anyone go to the Alabanza (Covahooch) recording in Union City this past weekend?
For those who are trully interested the lawsuit HAS been files in LA County. The GB HAS been served! For those of you who think this is hot air - KEEP THINKING that way, we all know once these facts are verified, you'll run like a gallina, and we won't see you in these blogsa again(Thank goodness)! If you have some friends on the inside, they can verify this for you. I know my friend has.
I'm a close relative- it's been filed and they HAVE been served. I won't elaborate any further.
ME TOO! My cousin called me today and told me her dad was served at the office today!
San Berdu Sheriffs don't serve Los Angeles Sup Ct Cases.
Yes they did.
They were served and the charges are ugly Los Angeles DA office is taking the case in 45 days.
Where are the postings of Alessa Covahooch? did someone go crying to daddy? did daddy go crying to Lugo? Did lugo contact the blogmaster and now they're gone? Hmmm.
We don't- it was a process server.
I worker there. and we don't serve other counties- not our jurisdiction
to 11:55- since you're a relative- what's your view on this fiasco?
Why bite the hand that feeds you!
Look at the AA website! One of their staff is no longer there under administrators. SHE QUIT!
To 12:28 PM
All those faces are going to disappear soon.
to 12:25- why not? Baldemar & Co. are.
hey chismoza- don't read too much into it- she moved away from the area.
to 10/30/07 7:00 p.m. entry:
what UPC blog are you referring to? what is the address? if they're nosing around ours- we may as well peek in theirs.
We need ten good lawyers from different law firms soon. Any recommendations? Please contact
Samuel Rojas,
Operations Manager
at (909) 987-3013
We are willing to pay $500 per hour each.
Fact or fiction?
One of the Bishops wifes does look like Janet Reno.
Anyone want to guess which one?
to 12:45 PM
www.apostolicfriendsforum.com
UPC Blog
12:56 PM
Who?
gmNohemi Gonzalez: HOT
When you see the real Sam Valverde you would not defend him the way you do.
He will NEVER be president. Read may lips NEVER.
The AA will never put a valverde back into the president. That is not to say that he put himself in.
Sorry Sammy tell your cousin 2 vote to sell you a car, so you can feel better
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Not even VIAGRA is going to help this GB and QB members now.
In re: UPC blog
Now THAT's a blog!!!!
to 12:56
that's irrelevant and neither here nor there.
to 1:22--
Dumb.
From Selling Oranges to the Chainman of the Board.
Only in America
Lilly Cruz is still one hot mamma
All I want to know is this.
Is Lily Cruz single and what is she looking for in a Man ?
Cause im just the Man to put a smile on that gorgeous face !!!!!
Enrique
Lilly Cruz is still one hot mamma
Ask that to Luciano Montes.
Luciano?
Do they call him Luci? lol
Luciano like in Lucky Luciano the Mobster ?
Is he Italian or something ?
AND YES LILY CRUZ IS YUMMY
She used to be chunky but funky.
It looks like she slimmed down and she looks even better now.
Even though I dont mind a little bit of curves.
so any word on the lawsuit ?
by the time any thing happens their terms are going to be up ?
whats the point ?
to 3:01 PM
You are forgetting the criminal element.
Curvacious Lilly or little boy shape Alessa?
Who's easier?
Thats true they do need to learn that what they did was wrong.
I dont wish them any harm or jail time but they have to learn that politics and cronyism should have no place in Church.
and this generation is too savvy to just let it be.
Granted most are not going to put their name out there and go out on a limb.
But with technology and the information age it will definitelt not be swept under the rug anymore.
Like back in the day when Rick Ramirez had sex with a girl from his church and they swept it under the rug and just moved him to another district.
Or when Brother Samano cheated on his wife while a missionary to Italy they just moved him to Escondido and allowed him to keep pastoring a church.
If you know the right people you can get away with murder.
Neither- not that desperate.
why does our church allow all these cochinos and thieves to run our church while the humble and hard working brother that wins souls but doesnt have the right connections or last name gets left behind never to attain a ministerial license or credential ?
Brother Samano? Is he the Italian missionary that is married to Drucilla, nia Guerra?
Isn't Rick Ramirez at Family Life Center now?
Why did Peter Hernandez leave his dad's church to go to AZ?
I have a cousin in his early 40's. He made a mistake when he was only 18 or 19. He was put on 'disciplina' by his pastor then, he served his time and was restored after a couple of years- 24 years later- he is a major soul winner- I kidd you not- he has won so many souls for the Kingdom- he is married and he and his wife are, to me, the epitomy of what a christian marriage is like- he is very active in his church, a good teacher, a prayer warrior- the works- you get the picture- BUT he cannot become a minister because of that indescretion at age 18. Mind you, God has forgiven him and has blessed him tremendously- but his Bishop won't ok for him to become a minister because a certain GB member always brings that up. Go figure---
sometimes you have the calling in you so strong but MAN won't let you go forward. amazing.
to 3:33 PM
No, That's brother Fontanarosa he is a missionary in Spain, good man.
Samano is another guy family to Pacheco and Valverde.
From a member of Escondido.
Our ex pastor Gilberto Samano Sr. was not a missionary in Italy.
His son was the missionary, Gilbert Samano Jr. was never our pastor.
DID SOMEONE SAY VIAGRA!!!!!!!!!!
FELIPE GAXIOLA
I was recently on the headquarters site looking at the staff and a question came to mind - what does:
Danny Cristobal, Sales Representative , do? What kind of sales is he doing? No knock on the kid (he looks young), but what in the world does the headquarters need with a salesman?
He sells velos, DUH!
"One of the Bishops wifes does look like Janet Reno.
Anyone want to guess which one?"
WHO?????????e wanna KNOW!!!!!!!!!!
Let me get this straight, Samano was a "Missionary" in Italia.
"Missionary" Rev. Samano committed adultery.
Question:
Is this what they mean by "Missionary Style"?
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Salesmen at HQ.
What do you think Sam the Scam and 2Vote Eddie Pachuco are?
Salesman is the AA version of Bishop in Training.
Malverde used to Sell Oranges.
Pachuco used to Sell cars.
They sell all kinds of things in Rancho Cucamonga HQ. Shoot, they even Sold their Souls for a few pieces of Silver.
Dumb
Abraham Lincoln once said, "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power" Looks like most GB members have failed this test!
APWC
Sounds like many bishops too!
Hint: A. Tafoya
APWC
Can you please tell us what do you expect at the general convention in Texas?
As of November 1, 2007, the Apostolic Assembly has twenty-six districts listed below with current District Supervisors in parenthesis.
1) Arizona
(Bishop Bernardo Iglesias)
2) Central East Coast
(Bishop Dan Padilla)
3) Central Texas
(Bishop Alfonso Arizpe)
4) Colorado
(Bishop Luis Nuñez)
5) East Los Angeles
(Bishop Salvador Lopez)
6) East Texas
(Bishop Juan Moreno)
7) Florida
(Bishop Robert Tinoco)
8) Great Lakes
(Bishop Daniel G. Jimenez)
9) Interior California/Nevada
(Bishop Felipe Lugo)
10) Greater Los Angeles
(Bishop Felipe Salazar)
11) Mid-America
(Bishop Amilcar Acosta)
12) Mid-West
(Bishop Celestino Guzman)
13) New Mexico
(Bishop Rene Gaxiola)
14) North Central California
(Bishop Agustine Hoyer)
15) Northern Golden Valley
(Bishop Joe Mendoza)
16) Northern Pacific Coast
(Bishop Joseph Rodriguez)
17) Northern Texas
(Bishop Mario Rodriguez)
18) Northwest Texas
(Bishop Abel Torres)
19) Oregon
(Bishop Moises Carillo)
20) South Central California
(Bishop Francisco Castro)
21) Southern California
(Bishop John Sanchez)
22) Southern Texas
(Bishop David Tobar)
23) Utah & Idaho
(Bishop Tommy Vigil)
24) Washington State
(Bishop Alfredo Muñoz )
25) West Texas
(Bishop Saul Rocha)
26) National Evangelism
(Bishop Abel Aguilar)
Any idea where the CID was used?
Do you question the validity of any of this men positions?
Also, in an "attempt" to reform the government of the organization, the Assembly is drafting up plans to change the formation of the Districts and the number of Bishop positions in the Assembly.
Currently there are 27 Bishops governing 27 Districts, the proposed plan will dissolved the entire Assembly into 8 mega-Districts or "Regions" which will be supervised by 8 Bishops or "Regional Supervisors". This plan will save the assembly close to a million dollars a year on salaries and other Bishop expenses which at first glance seems rather fair.
However, by dissolving the 27 Districts/Bishops into 8 Regions/Regional Supervisors the Assembly will be consoludating power from 27 individuals (currently) to 8 individuals (proposed). And on top of that the 8 positions will not be elected positions -- they will be appointed by the General Board.
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Is that the reason that the Nevada District was dissolved and The Bishop was moved to Mexico ?
I heard THAAAT!!
Uh- huhhhh! Snap, Snap!
SNAP Survivors' Network of those Abused by Priests
Does anybody even like that idea?.....8 regions, we're starting to sound more like a local paper delivering route....please get real, 8 regions is only going to worsen the matter, it will increase the inability of these 8 bishops to even come close to running their districts adequately, imagine someone managing around three hundred churches, you probably wouldn't even get a glimpse of your bishop any time during his term
The reason why these districts have not lived up to their capacities or even come close, is because the general national board does not allow them any sort of Autonomous control over their district, and I'm not saying they should all be sovereign but a little decision making power would not be bad, and we wouldn't be in the mess that we are now....
I agree....districts need to be more independent and allowed to establish their own headquarters within their districts, they should all have the mentality of a national organization....I could guarantee you that if they were, and each district would work as if they were the only apostolic district we would see an explosion within our local congregations, and our assembly, thousands more would be added by the day.....
you probably wouldn't even get a glimpse of your bishop any time during his term.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.WE DONT NEED THOSE CID BISHOPS WE NEED GOOD PASTORS.
yeah how come there are no districts with headquarters, or an established office?..... I'll tell you the IAFCJ Is even better organized than us, they try to get local office space or even purchase land to build their headquarters for atleast their major districts.....but what do we do??.....mmmmmm....it aint our job let headquarters do it....evangelisim?....let head quarters do it....build charities???....let headquarters do it....
No more love, no nothing how many apostolic charities are there outhere??....and no flor azul in this case would not count??...I'm talking about those that do not necessarily benefit our assembly but those that benefit the lost....food banks, orphanages, schools.....I dare to say that there is not one apostolic high school that would resemble the like of a public school.....why???....and no a.c.e does not count(no fuzz with ace schools, just trying to get my point across)....does anybody get what I'm saying???
you know what I do agree with you on that, but Sadly as is the case for many, I have a pastor who has pushed away many from our congregation, I have heard this is the case with many other churches and their pastors trying to supress them and subject them to their "infallible" and Godly inspired vision.....It is said that no one has done anything about it.....I'm not saying to take him off, but call his attention and get hi doing something....
OK- explain this to me like I'm a 7 year old-- they want to make our districts bigger- regions? Didn't Baldemar split the districts to make them smaller??
whatever they do- it won't work- whomever the supervisor is will request more money-- they bishops are the ones also draining the churches.- what with all these damn projects- there is your sector projections, then your district projections, then your national ones- then tithe of tithes- how are churches supposed to stay affloat? this is ridiculous- 3/4 of the leadership from the district and up- are not even doing a quarte of the work they should be doing- the only 100% you get from them is when it's time to collect their pay.
If our Bishop was on the ball- he'd see that some of these OLD small churches haven't grown and have no money- why? not because of the people but because of the pastors they've plucked from congregations who are unfit and have no calling. But then again- my bishop's church is old, small and has no money.
And this is the heritage and the legacy I'm to pass on to my kids?
This plan will save the assembly close to a million dollars a year on salaries and other Bishop expenses which at first glance seems rather fair.
The Catholic Church has an episcopate, with the Pope, who is the Bishop of Rome, at the top.
That idea of bishops is not biblical catholic. When the bible mention bishops is talking about local pastors, same goes with elders.
IDCN/IDCA stinks! Our district needs new fresh, vibrant blood! We have a bunch of old folks- our bishop's not that old but he may as well be 80!
Alert!!!
The GB is having an emergency meeting today.
RESIGN NOW, RESIGN.
The GB is meeting because ALL of them were served with the law suit!!! Where are all the nay sayers, and the family members, and supporters of the GB board who claimed all to be a farce full of hot air? If you don't believe me, call their relatives, friends, and people on the inside - THEY WILL TELL YOU THE GB HAS BEEN SERVED!!!!!
Senate Committee Investigating Six Major Ministries
Sen. Grassley probes "possible misuse of donations" to Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long
Randy and Paula White
Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, is investigating several major church-based ministries known for their leaders' lavish lifestyles and prosperity teachings.
The ministries have until December 6 to submit audited financial statements, compensation reports, records for ministry jet travel, and other documents.
Headquarters DOESNT HAVE UP TO THIS DAY AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
Pray for our GB.
We dont need more office spaces and headquarters. We need better pastors who can know the difference between a leader and a manager. If you add bureaucracy, it will add more red tape and mess. Besides, guess who would pay for more office space - you and your congregation.
Bring back Nu-Vision!
Where is Chucky Escamilla at now?
The wicked hide their deeds in darkness, and the sunlight of disclosure is the best antidote against misbehavior. But as the ECFA explains on its website (www.ECFA.org), the real reward of financial transparency lies elsewhere: "The reputation of the Christian ministry in general is at stake. Public disclosure protects Christian ministry from the danger of claiming ownership of God's gifts evident in the investments Christian donors make in his kingdom. It also protects us from the temptation to make assets and the acquisition thereof our lasting companion and goal."
If the GB was served this week- they have to file their response to the complaint with the court system within 30 days.
9:49 AM
Amen to that
Does anyone know FOR SURE if it WAS indeed filed in L.A. County?
Does anyone know FOR SURE if it WAS indeed filed in L.A. County?
Do you believed that all this will come to a peaceful solution soon?.
Please someone.
If they were served this week- that means it was either filed last week or the week before- which means it won't be available on the court website until another 2-3 weeks.
I believe they would all like for it to come to a peaceful solution, however, I don't believe the current GB is willing to do what it takes to give us a peaceful solution.
Regardless of how you feel or what side you are on- this is a very sad time for us all.
What do these stones mean?
they represent all the stone throwing that is to come at the Convention.
Mantle? Heritage? No thanks.
Peaceful solution? The GB had ample opportunities to resolve this before getting to court. Thats why people called, sent letters etc. Once lawyers get involved, anything can happen. You bet that they want to get their money - lawyers.
however, I don't believe the current GB is willing to do what it takes to give us a peaceful solution.
That's sad I'm crying right now, and I don't care if anyone make fun of me this is really sad.
Our assembly has changed drastically over the years- we're not the same we were 50 years ago or even 70 years ago--
I wonder if the people THEN felt as we do NOW with all the changes that are needed. I wonder if there were rumors of division then. I wonder how THAT generation viewed their leaders.
No matter which side you are on- Baldemar & Co. aren't rejoicing over this-- this HAS to be done.
This is God cleaning house folks. Unfortunately, some of us are seeing some people that we held in high regard being dragged through the mud. Some stories, sadly enough, very true. . . and some not.
In all honesty, I NEVER thought I would live to witness something such as this. Everything that is happening,the accusations etc. are just the tip of the ice berg.
In the end, we will see the most still standing during this clean up. And maybe the people we perceived to be different, won't. Either way, it IS sad, but it IS life.
We need to pray for each other, for our pastors, for our leaders, for our youth- we've all lost a bit of innocence through this, but we needed to be exposed to it if there are any changes to be made with the next generation.
I was sincerely praying for an inside resolution to this matter. But that solution was in the hands of the GB, ie: new elections and an apology to all pastors. That didn't happen! Then I prayed for the Lord to move, however he needed to move. Thus the lawsuit! Now that the GB has been served, my prayer is they settle out of court, do the right thing and resign, and have a new election with an added twist. That NONE of the present, and previous board members accept ANY positions. Once this is done, outside of court, I believe trust will be restored to the pastorship, and membership! Remember, Abraham Lincoln once said, "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power"
Will the GB and previous GB members BE WILLING TO GIVE UP POWER? That is the key to this solution.
APWC
The lawsuit documents wont be available on the court website until another 2-3 weeks.
Believed me is going to be shocking, be prepared.
What court website will it be on?
It is so sad that this has to happen. So many men are falling away and we are seeing the endtimes come to pass. It is exciting for the church, but we need to hold strong to our faith and remember the commands God gave us to live a holy life acceptable unto Him.
That NONE of the present, and previous board members accept ANY positions.
None of the present I believed that is part of the lawsuit,for previous members, pastor with all due respect we need the experience of some of the old ones especially now. Unless you form a separate commission of honor and justice for checks and balances system made out of previous GB members.
I too pray that this can be settled before trial. I think if this thing goes to trial it will be embarrassing for many.
The GB needs to consist of men of integrity, honesty, vision, education, prayer,fasting and holy ghost filled men who are there to do the will of God in order to lead this organization. True Men of God. Men who will do right by God and His people. Men who aren't afraid to go out on a limb, men who aren't afraid to see that women can contribute in different ministries besides cooking and adding to the church population, men of valor and honor. Unfortunately, that leaves the current ones out and the past ones out as well. (Sorry Baldemar) We need a completely NEW administration, fresh faces, dynamic speakers, with awesome administrative skills that can use their tools to reform this organization and take it to the next level. Something that no one has been able to do thus far. Isn't there any among us? We're so used only using the people with the right names.
How are WE going to request the changes the WE want?????
Happy Appy
AMEN AMEN AMEN
IF there is a re-election, will Baldemar & the boys be content? Or does Baldemar want in?
I think that the GB as well as any district, needs to have leadership in which their churches are a reflection of their leadership. How can a pastor be a bishop- when his own church hasn't grown in years? when he's still antequated about so many things? when he has no passion and vision?
No re-election , new elections
New contitution , no more veils for the sisters.
How can a pastor be a bishop- when his own church hasn't grown in years? when he's still antiquated about so many things? when he has no passion and vision?
Leobardo Maffey perhaps
No more veils & allow the wedding ring (most of us wear it outside of church anyway)!
to 11:18- look at the list of Bishops in our assembly- I'd venture to say than maybe 4-7 of them have successful churches- most have these small 'mission' like churches that have not grown. These pastors response to their congregations when put on the spot is just . . .'because I'm the Pastor.'-- they have nothing else to stand on when questioned.
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